July 5, 2025 • 36 mins
In Hour 3 of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show, the hosts deliver a dynamic and wide-ranging discussion packed with political analysis, cultural commentary, and listener interaction. The hour opens with breaking news from Capitol Hill, where the Senate passed a major piece of legislation—referred to as the “Big Beautiful Bill”—with Vice President JD Vance casting the tie-breaking vote. The bill now heads back to the House, where the Freedom Caucus may voice opposition, but it’s expected to reach President Donald Trump’s desk for signature before the July 4th holiday. A major highlight of the hour is President Trump’s visit to “Alligator Alcatraz” in Ochopee, Florida, a remote airstrip facility intended for detaining and deporting illegal immigrants. Trump’s remarks emphasized deterrence, warning migrants against fleeing into the Everglades. The segment underscores the administration’s tough stance on immigration and sanctuary cities, with speculation that legal challenges may arise from cities defying federal deportation orders. The hosts also explore the evolving Trump-DeSantis alliance, suggesting Florida Governor Ron DeSantis could play a future role in the Trump 2.0 Cabinet. They reflect on the administration’s early successes and the political realities of addressing the national debt, emphasizing the need for economic growth over tax hikes or drastic spending cuts. In a lighter segment, Clay and Buck debate the best movies of the 21st century, referencing a recent New York Times list. Films like The Dark Knight, There Will Be Blood, No Country for Old Men, and The Pianist are discussed, with particular praise for Heath Ledger’s iconic performance as the Joker. The conversation also includes listener favorites and humorous disagreements over ice cream flavors—particularly pistachio—and nostalgic TV shows like Knight Rider and The Dukes of Hazzard. The hour wraps with listener call-ins and talkbacks, including commentary on immigration, political polarization, and pop culture. The hosts preview upcoming guest hosts for the July 4th holiday and encourage listeners to subscribe to the Clay & Buck Podcast Network for continued coverage and entertainment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Third hour, Clay end Buck kicks off. Now the big
news of the day at the top of the show,
just to recap right as we came on air, I mean,
within moments, the Senate had passed on a fifty one
to fifty vote the Big Beautiful Bill. Jd Vance had
to be the tie break on that one. Tom Tillis,
Rand Paul who's the third, somebody else didn't go Oh
(00:23):
Collins didn't vote for So yep, that was what happened there. Now,
thank you play for the catch. It goes back to
the House side before it goes to the President's desk
for signature. The House is gonna there's gonna be some
squawking from the Freedom Caucus about it. I don't think
they're going to sabotage the Trump agenda at this late
(00:47):
moment on the Big Beautiful Bill, but they're gonna be.
They're gonna you know, look, they're allowed to have their
say on it, and they will. So that will be
a thing that occurs in the next few days, and we're
probably gonna get to a signature before the holiday. Hopefully
that is how this will go. So that that's the
big news and then we have the most interesting visit
(01:07):
of the day was Donald Trump going down to Alligator Alcatraz,
which is in o Choppie O Choppy, Florida, which is
near Everglades City, which I can tell you is not
really much of a city. It is really middle of Nowheresville.
(01:30):
I think o Choppy, uh is. It has one hundred
people something like that lives and lives in the in
the It is unincorporated territory, so it's not even I
think a township per se. It's quite small. But that
was the one, if you're wondering, it wasn't Lake Okeachobee.
I know Lake Okuchobe. O Choppy was the new place.
(01:52):
So that's where they have this airstrip that is a
place to put illegal migrat it's illegal aliens before they
are deported. And Trump is saying, if you try to
run from the gators or swim from the gators, it's
going to be a bad day for you. So there's
all that going on, and then he got into Kami, Mom, Donnie,
do you have anything in the Alligator Alcatraz. The team
(02:15):
is saying that all you have to do is be
able to not zigzag but outrun the nearest person to you,
which is that is always true and that is mean,
that's very mean. Clay would Clay would not leave me
behind to get eaten by gators, right, Clay probably correct, Yes,
I would be.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Again I've said on this program before, I am prepared
to save anyone from an alligator attack. If you see
me near a swamp, I've got your back, So just
don't go in the water. But if they come out
of the water, like in Crocodile Dundee, I know that's
crocodile versus an alligator, then I'll be like mc dundee
(02:56):
right there to protect you. By the way, that movie
also so still a lot of fun if you've got
kids and you want to watch some movies during the
July fourth holiday, whether it's not great, maybe you're sitting around.
We've been watching all the Harry Potter movies in the
Travis household.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
And they're still really good. So props JK. Rowling.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I think she may have a future in this creative
industry space. But that alligator Alcatraz thing, and I think
I know we said it last hour, but I do
think it's so important. Trump and DeSantis are a whale
of a team, and I know Ron DeSantis only has
whatever it is, a year and a half left basically
(03:36):
as the governor of Florida. But I would not be
surprised if DeSantis ends up in some form or fashion
as a part of Trump two point zero cabinet. And
what I mean by that is there's constant doing these
jobs takes a lot. So so far we have had
(03:58):
pretty great stability in Trump two point zero cabinet universe.
But at some point some of these guys, probably after
en gals, after the mid terms, are going to start
to say, hey, I want to do something different. I'm
burned out two years of going full speed doing X,
Y or Z. There's something else that I want to do.
It wouldn't shock me if Trump comes back to DeSantis.
(04:20):
Remember there was some talk about DeSantis potentially being the
Secretary of Defense when it was uncertain about whether heg
Seth was going to be confirmed. And that's another example
of jd Vance breaking a tie fifty to fifty in
the Senate. Jd Vance gets the vote to get heg
Seth in and Pete has done a very very good job.
Since this is also an example and the big beautiful
(04:42):
bill you've got jd Vance breaking the tie. This is
why having a little bit of a buffer in the
Senate fifty three forty seven, man, it would be great
to be up to fifty four or fifty five or
fifty six, as it pertains to to where we're headed
on next. But the Trump DeSantis relationship very strong, and
(05:06):
I think it's important to point out that by and large,
most of you out there who voted Trump, I really
can't hardly point to anything in the first six months
and say, hey, I think Trump could have done a
better job on this. Politics the art of the possible.
So I understand that people are saying, oh, this is
my number one issue, and this hasn't been addressed completely
(05:28):
to the ability that I would like. You can't make
people do what there is not the political will for
them to do. So you and Ibuck, we talked about
this somem earlier, were very troubled by the national debt.
When the Tea Party got its start, national debt was
ten trillion dollars. National debt is soon going to be
forty trillion dollars. That's untenable. But until there is a
(05:53):
political will to address it, and you can't solve it
by increasing tax rates that doesn't work. Ultimately, I think
you're gonna have to dial back spending. This is inevitable,
but that political will is not there yet. So in
the meantime you have two options. You can either whine
and complain, and some people are choosing that because it's
(06:15):
not kick your legs, scream like a child, have a
temper tantrum. Or you can do what you and I
are talking about. Now, Hey, this bill is going to pass,
and now it's time to try to figure out how
do we grow the economy as rapidly as we possibly
can to help to lead to a surplus through growth
(06:38):
as opposed to a surplus through cuts. That is the
new hope. And to me, if we can get it
to three four percent growth, everything changes.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yes. So that's the case for optimism, and I agree
with you on that. The case for optimism is not
that everyone's going to see the wisdom of iron sorry
ran Paul's math and uh and make massive changes to
the biggest spending programs and priorities of the United States
government now and for the last, uh well all of
(07:10):
our lifetimes. So yeah, that's not gonna happen. So hopefully
Trump just has the economy so juiced and so in
fuego that some very good things can happen. What will
make things a lot worse is if the commed mom
Donnie is able to take control. Trump spoke about this.
There's a marine one noise in the background, but we
(07:31):
wanted you to hear this. This has cut seven. This
is look. Even President Trump's win and we all see this.
This is concerning when somebody gets the wind that is
back in someplace as important as New York City play it.
I mean, he's terra book.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
He's a communist.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
The last thing we need is a communist. I said,
there will never be socialism in the United States, So
we've a communist. I think he's bad news, and I
think we're gonna have a lot of fun with him
watching him because he has to go up right but
Dunley to get his money, and so he's not going
to run away with anything. I think he's a Frankly,
I've heard he's the total let job.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I think the people in the New York are crazy and.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
They go this route. I think they're crazy. We will
have a communist in the for the first time, really
a pure, true communist.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
He wants to operate the grocery.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Stores, the department stores. What about the people like that?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I think it's crazy, Yeah, Clay, it is crazy. And
I understand that there's this sense that it's limited to
New York. But AOC and Bernie Sanders, they co sign
really all of this stuff, and they're the Democrats that
have the most currency with the base. And it is
(08:51):
a Democrat party that came within a few hundred thousand
votes of Trump, even after lying about Biden's dementia and
putting forward the worst candidate in our lifetime in Kamala Harris.
So I mean, I would argue even worse than the
dementia guy, which tells you a lot. So we have
to take this seriously. People ask how does a Democratic
party come back? It's not hard. They were close even
(09:13):
in this election in aggregate numbers. When you really look
at it, there are a lot of people who are
voting Democrat no matter who they put forward, no matter
how crazy the idea is. And Mom, Donnie, I think
is just a symptom of that larger malady. And again
I'm gonna keep hammering it. If there is not a
coalition that arises to all come together to oppose Mamdanni.
(09:37):
If you have Eric Adams running as an independent Andrew
Cuomo running as an independent UH, and you have a
situation where Curtis Sliwa is the Republican that Trio is
going to assure that Mamdanni wins. So the only way
in New York City rejects Mamdanni and has some form
of sanity in terms of who it's selecting as it
(10:00):
its next mayor is if there's an understanding that they
cannot all run and there is a coalition of opposition
that comes together to try and defeat mom Donnie. My
concern is everybody's going to look out for their best interest,
meaning we're going to get more attention if you stay
in the race and everybody else loses, and there isn't
(10:22):
a coalition brought together to come against him. And I
think what Trump is talking about in general is the
opposition that he sees from all these sanctuary cities as
the process is underway to deport so many different people
is a direct opposition to the federal government and should
not be acceptable. And at some point, I think there's
(10:45):
gonna have to be a test case of someone, probably
a mayor that is one of these sanctuary cities. That
is directly defying federal law, and we're going to have
to have the court's rule about whether or not that
is permissible or appropriate, because I don't understand we made
this argument and the Supreme Court has set it quite clearly.
The President of the United States is in charge of
(11:07):
border related policies, immigration, all of those things. How can
we allow all of these individual cities and certainly governors
of states, but it's really being driven more by mayors
of cities that have decided that they are sanctuaries. How
can we allow them to directly defy federal law? At
some point that conflict is going to have to be
(11:27):
resolved in some way by the larger court system. It
feels inevitable to me. Well, get some calls and some
talkbacks coming up here in a second. I want to
hear from all of you before Clayton and I sne
off for the holiday. And like I said, Tutor Dixon
and tomorrow Brian Mudd in the next day, got great guests.
Host We've got live shows coming up for you with
(11:47):
fantastic content. But clay is going to be on the beach.
I might even get to the beach and it's fun.
I live.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
You don't through the beach.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I don't really get to the beach very often, which
is weird considering a next to one of the nicest
beaches in America. Some would argue for an urban beach.
For an urban beach, Okay, don't be like, well what
about Tahiti or what about you know, the Seychelles one
of the nicest urban beaches anywhere in the world. So yeah,
I should get to the beach too. We'll talk about it.
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Speaker 2 (13:25):
A lot of you weighing in on a variety of
different topics. Roger down in Texas, he wants to know
if we saw something happened over the weekend.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Listen, Hey, did y'all see the General Lee jump?
Speaker 7 (13:38):
I'm just wondering.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I think that broke up a little bit, or at
least it broke up a little bit with me. He
wanted to know if we saw the General Lee from
Dukes of Hazard jump the fountain in Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yes, and it was awesome, super cool. Did you watch
Dukes of Hazzard when you were a kid growing up?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Uh, it's a little I was a little young for it.
My older brother, I think, used to watch that show. Well,
who's your age? So I was a little young for
The Dukes.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Of I loved The Dukes of Hazzard back in the day.
My favorite show, Dukes of Hazzard led into on CBS Dallas,
and I would say the first real massive disappointment of
my young wife was when they tried to replace Bow
and Luke Duke. I just remember being a kid and
so disappointed that those guys they were in a contract
(14:26):
dispute and they replaced him for part of season five,
I think, and it was it was her shattering for
young I remember I was I was a big night
rider guy. Oh I like that too. Did you have
the night Rider? Did you have the car kit kit?
They could talk back? That was pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
And and now here we are a place where the
car actually can just drive up and pick you up.
I have friends who have had their their Tesla just
come and and and you know, get them. They can
actually do that.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
They can summon it.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
And look I talked about being in the way mo.
And if you want a prediction for twenty years from now,
I think driving cars gonna end up like riding horses,
something that people do for fun, but that the average
person no longer does. I would bet on that in
twenty years Jordan in Oklahoma.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
What you got, Travis, I've just got two quick questions here.
One is Siria. Why is Trump lifting the sanctions off
of Syria and taking them off the terror sponsor group?
And also what are Cash Fattel and Dan Bongino doing
about twenty twenty covid Epstein January sixth and the Biden
(15:39):
auto pen And a friend of mine, John wanted me
to give you this quote. I believe in two things absolutely,
the first amendment in Boobs.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well, I like the last one. And there's a lot
of the FBI. The answer all that FBI stuff is
we don't know because they're not talking about everything going
on there. And at some level it's just give I
would just say, give Cash and Dan the director and
deputy director of the FBI, give them the time necessary
(16:12):
to do more of what needs to be done there.
It has only been five months. It is early in
the game. And what was the first thing that he said? Yes, Assyria.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
The Syria answer is he's trying to give that new
government an opportunity to prove that they can be allies.
And I think if you look at it in the
bigger picture of the Middle East, given how tough he
has been on Iran. He is currying favor again politically
with Saudi Arabia, with the UAE, with Qatar, with Bahrain
(16:43):
by both carrot and stick. Obviously the stick for Iran,
the carrot for Syria. If that new government can somehow
be better than Asad, he's giving them an opportunity to
try to prove that they're worthy of trust. And so
far it does appear that that has that's been going better,
but it's still very early in that new government.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
This is very important. This is a d D talk back.
Jill from Oregon, let's hear it.
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have to go with Buck on the pistachio ice cream.
I come from an area where we had a local
dairy and so it was not hard to get pistachio
ice cream and it was fantastic. So even as a kid,
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
And put that one in your cone there, mister Clay Travis.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I still believe that pistachio is not a top twenty
ice cream flavor.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
You have to say pistachio. If you call it pistachio,
it makes it sound even worse.
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Speaker 7 (19:54):
I was trying to explain to my friend, just like
why most of America doesn't even care about the importations
that are happening, and he flipped out on me and
was saying that I needed to admit that I hate
every other race other than my own anyways. So in
the end, they're just totally brainwashed and there's nothing you
(20:16):
can do.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
The law either matters or a dozen has nothing to
do with race, has to do with being a rule
of law society. Clay.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, and look, I think that a lot of people
are dialed out and just randomly buy into all of
the history onics. I mean, I think a perfect example
of this is, you know we're going to hit right now.
The stock market is up again today for another high.
(20:45):
It was only two months ago that they were telling
you that everything was going to collapse and that you
needed to make sure that you sold all your stocks
and that we were headed for basically a nuclear winter
and from an economic and it just hasn't happened. And
so I think the total fear there is it works
(21:07):
on a lot of people, and they are aware that
emotionally they can play on people's failings as it pertains
to that.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Basically we have next up here a lot of Lord
of the Rings nerds in this audience. Oh we didn't
get we said we were gonna do the movie thing. Yeah,
that's why I thought Times. I was doing my research
here New York Times Best Now this is a little
bit of a frustration because people don't pay. It's like
(21:38):
when you had a teacher that said, make sure you
read the instructions for the exam before you take the exam.
It's the best movies of the twenty first century. So
anybody who's jumping in with Braveheart or you know which
I love and would be my overall choice, overall favorite
movie all time. That's nineteen ninety eight, I think, or
(22:00):
six or I forget when the nine I don't know,
but it was. It was definitely in the twentieth twenty two, zero,
twenty eighth century, twenty first century. Best movies of the
twenty first century. This is this is the New York
Times list that came out. We got a wait, producer,
I got all of you to tell me your your picks,
and I thought they were pretty solid. And let's say
(22:20):
all of you, I mean our team in New York,
New York team. Let's start with you, Ali, Producer, Ali,
what was your best movie of the twenty first century?
You had time to think about this, so you're on
the hot seat now. If you forgot what is it.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Oh no, I'm totally on the hot seat. I had
gone with Gladiator, but I had the years all wrong.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, I don't think it came about hold On Gilllauty
two thousand.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yes, it counts in the New York Times list.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
It does because that's technically the twenty eighth century.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
They have it down at ninety two, so they are
counting anything that's two thousand and beyond.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Well, that's an outrage. First of all. The fact that
they're counting it and they're putting it at ninety two
is an outright because Ali, I'd be it would be
a top fiver for me, top fiver for sure. They
put Parasite at number one a foreign film as the
best movie of the twenty first century, which which I
think is mad. A producer, Mike, what was yours? You
(23:16):
had a good one? Dark Knight? Well you Dark Knight?
Or was that Greg? What is producer? Mike saw producer
Dark Knight, Dark Knight. Yeah, he was Dark Knight. Solid.
I can't I can't quibble with that. I have watched
that movie probably one hundred times. I enjoyed the Dark Knight.
He really brought back people think now all the Batman franchise,
(23:36):
huge franchise that was. It was on the ropes after
a couple of really bad Batman movies that bombed big time,
including one with I think the girl from Clueless was
in it, Alicia Silverstone. There was a George Klue No,
don't even remembers. George Clooney played Batman and it was
such a bad movie that people don't even remember that
(23:57):
he was Batman. So there were The Dark Knight was
came back from The Batman Begins and The Dark Knight
both great, great options. Remember twenty first century, we're looking
at Clay, what was yours?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I broke it down trio meaning because to me, there
is there's a difference between a kid movie, there's a
difference between a comedy, and there's a difference between a
dramedy drama. So I went with I agree the whole
Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy, The Dark Knight, that that is
really phenomenal, well done. Up I think was the best
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of the Pixar movies. Up If You Up is so
well done. And then I think the funniest movie of
the twenty first century.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I think it's old school.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I just think it is absolutely hysterical, funny. Well that's
not even a category, and now you're making up categories funniest.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
I think Old School is the funniest movie of the
twenty first century.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
What's funnier than Old School? I think fourty year old
vision is funnier than Old School. Forty year old version
is very funny. Super Bad is very funny. Like there's
a series of four or five movies. I think that
you could argue, I think the combination of Will Ferrell
Vince Vaughan is tough to be. Wedding Crashers also really
really funny and well done. But I think you have
(25:19):
to consider what again, best doesn't mean. Citizen Kane is
a phenomenal movie. We talked about yesterday. Shumler's List is
a phenomenal movie. It's hard to sit down and just
be like, hey, let's have some popcorn and watch Schimmler's List.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Well, this is this is like how I feel about
The Pianist p I A N I S T. To
be clear, the Pianist is a or the pianist maybe
some people say it that way. Is I think a
perfect movie, meaning it is incredibly well done and every
(25:55):
aspect of it from the acting, to the writing, to
the to the sounds, you know, to the sound track
to that. I think it's a perfect movie. But it's intense.
It's World War Two, it's you know, it's a Jewish
guy who's trying to flee the you know, the well
at one point it's his neighbors and the Nazis. And
The Pianist is an incredible movie, but I can't say
it's my favorite movie because if the Dark Knight trilogy
(26:19):
or the Lord of the Rings movies are on, I'm
watching those instead of The Pianist. I'm just I'm not
gonna lie and be that guy, which brings me to
I think they're private producer, Greg, what was your pick?
You didn't give us, You didn't give us your We're
trying to help you, by the way, for the holiday weekend, everybody,
if you haven't seen any of these, we're giving you
great recommendations for I would argue The Lives of other
is a pretty perfect movie, although it is German language
(26:42):
and that is twenty first century, but again, it's not
a You still haven't even watched that, have you? You and
Laura haven't watched the Lives of Others and you have Okay,
maybe that one. Because it's foreign language. I could see
Lara being like Clay, don't don't you know, don't torture us.
You guys haven't watched Hacksaw Ridge, which is insane because
that was if you's got assignment a long time ago,
that movie would be fair.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
To be fair to me, I barely see anything. I
watch stuff with my kids, which is why I've been
watching Harry Potter.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Watch hundreds of hours of college football, hundreds of what I.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Was gonna say, and I watch a lot of sports.
Let me give you an underrated movie that I think
seems even more contemporary than it was when it came out,
Minority Report. Ah Sun No, I'm telling you go back
and watch it now.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
In an age of AI.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
It seems eerily prescient in terms of its foreshadowing of
where we are.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Producer Greg is going to weigh in, he was a
he wanted to get on this. Producer Greg, best movie
of the twenty first century. If you were making this
New York Times list, what's number one? Dark Knight? I'm with.
I'm with, Oh your Dark Knight got you? I thought
I thought we had double Dark Knight. That's a Keith
Ledger's performance as the Joker is the best bad guy
performance that that I think. You it's that it's the
(28:05):
No Country for old men with what's his name? Uh,
you know Javier Bardem, Javier Bardem and Hans Gruber in
die Hard, which was the first time that guy was
ever in a movie, which is still amazing.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Just watch The Dark Knight knowing that Heath Ledger was
going to in some way kill himself. Like I watch
it now and you're right, the performance is incredible, But
when I watch it, in the back of my mind,
I'm thinking, in order to become this good, he had
to go to such a dark place that it felt
(28:42):
to me like a lot of people who are actors
and actresses, it's not actually that talented, you know what
I mean, Like there are lots of people who are whatever.
Heath Ledger, that was actually an artistic performance as the Joker,
but I think it led.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Him into a world where his brain like almost broke,
you know.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
He went into the darkness, went into the darkness too
much that that has happened with people that get too
into a role, A lot of people very high in
Because I saw a lot of comments about this, because
I was on I was on with Will Caine and
Carol Markowitz on Will's show on Fox Play, and that's
where this got some attention. A lot of people have
as their top movies. I would say the ones that
(29:23):
I saw the most. For all of you, all of
you out there, I say the one that I saw
the most. As a number one choice was either There
Will Be Blood or No Country for Old Men for
best Movie the twenty first century. I view those as
both excellent movies, but it also goes in that category.
(29:43):
There Will Be Blood for me is like watching a
masterclass of acting. Like obviously Daniel da Lewis is phenomenal
and the performances are. But do I care about anybody
in this story?
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Really? Now?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Do I like anybody?
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Really? No?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
And then I think that unfortunately, No Country for Old
Men again very well made, and I'm not saying it's
not a good movie. I'm just saying, you know, if
it's on, am I gonna watch it? It's so bleak
and kind of nihilistic for me. So I can't get
too excited about either one of those as a top
ten of the twenty first century. They're both excellent movies,
(30:20):
to be clear, but they're not movies. I've only watched
each of those maybe twice, which for me is not
very many.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I also, to me, when it's a book being made
into a movie, I think the excellence of the movie
in many ways reflects the book. And Cormac McCarthy is
probably the greatest author, now I'm really gonna get people
fired up, Probably the greatest author of the last thirty years.
(30:46):
And I know he died a couple of years ago,
but if you look at his production in terms of
his talent, and you go all the way back. He
moved eventually his fiction to basically the border with Texas
in Mexico, but he started off as a Tennessee based writer,
and I think he's probably the most talented writer in
(31:09):
America in the last thirty years. And so No Country
for Old Men is a novel by him, and I
think it just reflects the world that he created on
the screen and is actually an illustration of his excellence
as a writer more than it is as a film.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Like if you said, hey, the Great Gatsby, which it isn't,
and it's been made multiple times, most recently with Leonardo DiCaprio.
If you said The Great Gatsby is the best movie
that's ever been made. I would be like, well, it's
a phenomenal novel, and so to me, I strip out
anything that isn't an original movie as a great movie.
Does that make sense because it's a reflection of the
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of the book.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
More than one talkback here before we get into more
talkbacks and calls to close us out, AA podcast listener
Zeb from Texas Play.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
It Playing Book. This is Zeb from Texas Love your Show,
listen to you every day since she took over for
USh Ditto. Maybe uh hey, listen, I'm so disappointed in
the Yellow Question producer Greg after he's led you right
so many times. Minus Tireth is the capital city of
Gondor after ausk Iliath was destroyed by the Orcs and
(32:20):
the Battle of Saaron.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Trust your man.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
I just this is the nerdiest thing that has ever
been said on the show, which is I.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Just love I love it. We have listeners who clearly
clearly have a twelve gage across the backseat of the car,
have a stetson on and cowboy boots, and they're lecturing
us about Minas Tirith as the city of God, as
the capital of Gondor after Osilius, of course was destroyed
by the Orcs and the Battle of Sauron. That is
(32:48):
that is our that is our Texas audience rolling around
in a pickup ready for any hovelinas they have to
take out. But you get Lord of the Rings wrong
and they're dropping knowledge on you.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
The correction yesterday that I've read is the nerdiest thing
that's ever been said on the show. That talkback in
Buck's analysis of it is the second nerdiest thing that's
ever been said on the show.
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July fourth. Buck and I will be out with our
families for the fourth. We hope all of you are
(34:42):
going to be safe if you're on the roads traveling
all over the country. Is supposed to be a record
breaking amount of travel going on this week, so please
stay safe. Yesterday, Buck, I was driving home with my
kids directly in front of me, and I tweeted it
out right along the Gulf of America, Panama City Beach
where I was yesterday, a guy driving a Jeep with
(35:04):
a huge Trump twenty twenty eight flag. So I posted
that picture, but I thought it kind of spoke. As
we get ready for the two hundred and forty ninth
anniversary of the country, we want all of you to
have a fabulous time. Download the podcast, go subscribe to
Crockett Coffee and we're gonna be back with you on Monday,
(35:24):
but we'll have shows live Thursday or Wednesday and Thursday,
and then a best of on Friday for the fourth.
Do you have any spectacular Fourth of July plans? What
are you gonna do? You mentioned you might go to
the beach, which is delicate for your easily sunburned skin.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Be careful, true, I'm probably going to take naps, read books,
walk my dog, and hang out with my wife and baby.
I'm a wild man, play I'm a wildman.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
That is gonna be fun.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
It's gonna be I'll be on What's day glays like
that is gonna be fun.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Okay, I'm gonna be.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I'm gonna be on the beach Wednesday, thirdday and Friday
weather permitting here, and I'm gonna be watching the rest
of the Harry Potter movies with my boys.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Are you a zinc.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Are you a zinc oxide guy? Under the eyes, I
can see you throwing the zinc oxide on for the sun.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
This is probably one of many not very healthy things
that I don't wear any sunscreen ever, Like I just,
I just, I mean, I think you gotta have a
tan and if you sunburn, like that's life. Put it
on the kids. But for myself, like I don't like
all the sunscreen everything else. Just stay out of the
sun if you're worried about getting sunburned.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Otherwise, well, Happy Birthday America from Clay and Buck and
we'll talk to you all on Monday.
Third hour, Clay end Buck kicks off. Now the big
news of the day at the top of the show,
just to recap right as we came on air, I mean,
within moments, the Senate had passed on a fifty one
to fifty vote the Big Beautiful Bill. Jd Vance had
to be the tie break on that one. Tom Tillis,
Rand Paul who's the third, somebody else didn't go Oh
(00:23):
Collins didn't vote for So yep, that was what happened there. Now,
thank you play for the catch. It goes back to
the House side before it goes to the President's desk
for signature. The House is gonna there's gonna be some
squawking from the Freedom Caucus about it. I don't think
they're going to sabotage the Trump agenda at this late
(00:47):
moment on the Big Beautiful Bill, but they're gonna be.
They're gonna you know, look, they're allowed to have their
say on it, and they will. So that will be
a thing that occurs in the next few days, and we're
probably gonna get to a signature before the holiday. Hopefully
that is how this will go. So that that's the
big news and then we have the most interesting visit
(01:07):
of the day was Donald Trump going down to Alligator Alcatraz,
which is in o Choppie O Choppy, Florida, which is
near Everglades City, which I can tell you is not
really much of a city. It is really middle of Nowheresville.
(01:30):
I think o Choppy, uh is. It has one hundred
people something like that lives and lives in the in
the It is unincorporated territory, so it's not even I
think a township per se. It's quite small. But that
was the one, if you're wondering, it wasn't Lake Okeachobee.
I know Lake Okuchobe. O Choppy was the new place.
(01:52):
So that's where they have this airstrip that is a
place to put illegal migrat it's illegal aliens before they
are deported. And Trump is saying, if you try to
run from the gators or swim from the gators, it's
going to be a bad day for you. So there's
all that going on, and then he got into Kami, Mom, Donnie,
do you have anything in the Alligator Alcatraz. The team
(02:15):
is saying that all you have to do is be
able to not zigzag but outrun the nearest person to you,
which is that is always true and that is mean,
that's very mean. Clay would Clay would not leave me
behind to get eaten by gators, right, Clay probably correct, Yes,
I would be.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Again I've said on this program before, I am prepared
to save anyone from an alligator attack. If you see
me near a swamp, I've got your back, So just
don't go in the water. But if they come out
of the water, like in Crocodile Dundee, I know that's
crocodile versus an alligator, then I'll be like mc dundee
(02:56):
right there to protect you. By the way, that movie
also so still a lot of fun if you've got
kids and you want to watch some movies during the
July fourth holiday, whether it's not great, maybe you're sitting around.
We've been watching all the Harry Potter movies in the
Travis household.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
And they're still really good. So props JK. Rowling.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I think she may have a future in this creative
industry space. But that alligator Alcatraz thing, and I think
I know we said it last hour, but I do
think it's so important. Trump and DeSantis are a whale
of a team, and I know Ron DeSantis only has
whatever it is, a year and a half left basically
(03:36):
as the governor of Florida. But I would not be
surprised if DeSantis ends up in some form or fashion
as a part of Trump two point zero cabinet. And
what I mean by that is there's constant doing these
jobs takes a lot. So so far we have had
(03:58):
pretty great stability in Trump two point zero cabinet universe.
But at some point some of these guys, probably after
en gals, after the mid terms, are going to start
to say, hey, I want to do something different. I'm
burned out two years of going full speed doing X,
Y or Z. There's something else that I want to do.
It wouldn't shock me if Trump comes back to DeSantis.
(04:20):
Remember there was some talk about DeSantis potentially being the
Secretary of Defense when it was uncertain about whether heg
Seth was going to be confirmed. And that's another example
of jd Vance breaking a tie fifty to fifty in
the Senate. Jd Vance gets the vote to get heg
Seth in and Pete has done a very very good job.
Since this is also an example and the big beautiful
(04:42):
bill you've got jd Vance breaking the tie. This is
why having a little bit of a buffer in the
Senate fifty three forty seven, man, it would be great
to be up to fifty four or fifty five or
fifty six, as it pertains to to where we're headed
on next. But the Trump DeSantis relationship very strong, and
(05:06):
I think it's important to point out that by and large,
most of you out there who voted Trump, I really
can't hardly point to anything in the first six months
and say, hey, I think Trump could have done a
better job on this. Politics the art of the possible.
So I understand that people are saying, oh, this is
my number one issue, and this hasn't been addressed completely
(05:28):
to the ability that I would like. You can't make
people do what there is not the political will for
them to do. So you and Ibuck, we talked about
this somem earlier, were very troubled by the national debt.
When the Tea Party got its start, national debt was
ten trillion dollars. National debt is soon going to be
forty trillion dollars. That's untenable. But until there is a
(05:53):
political will to address it, and you can't solve it
by increasing tax rates that doesn't work. Ultimately, I think
you're gonna have to dial back spending. This is inevitable,
but that political will is not there yet. So in
the meantime you have two options. You can either whine
and complain, and some people are choosing that because it's
(06:15):
not kick your legs, scream like a child, have a
temper tantrum. Or you can do what you and I
are talking about. Now, Hey, this bill is going to pass,
and now it's time to try to figure out how
do we grow the economy as rapidly as we possibly
can to help to lead to a surplus through growth
(06:38):
as opposed to a surplus through cuts. That is the
new hope. And to me, if we can get it
to three four percent growth, everything changes.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yes. So that's the case for optimism, and I agree
with you on that. The case for optimism is not
that everyone's going to see the wisdom of iron sorry
ran Paul's math and uh and make massive changes to
the biggest spending programs and priorities of the United States
government now and for the last, uh well all of
(07:10):
our lifetimes. So yeah, that's not gonna happen. So hopefully
Trump just has the economy so juiced and so in
fuego that some very good things can happen. What will
make things a lot worse is if the commed mom
Donnie is able to take control. Trump spoke about this.
There's a marine one noise in the background, but we
(07:31):
wanted you to hear this. This has cut seven. This
is look. Even President Trump's win and we all see this.
This is concerning when somebody gets the wind that is
back in someplace as important as New York City play it.
I mean, he's terra book.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
He's a communist.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
The last thing we need is a communist. I said,
there will never be socialism in the United States, So
we've a communist. I think he's bad news, and I
think we're gonna have a lot of fun with him
watching him because he has to go up right but
Dunley to get his money, and so he's not going
to run away with anything. I think he's a Frankly,
I've heard he's the total let job.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I think the people in the New York are crazy and.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
They go this route. I think they're crazy. We will
have a communist in the for the first time, really
a pure, true communist.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
He wants to operate the grocery.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Stores, the department stores. What about the people like that?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I think it's crazy, Yeah, Clay, it is crazy. And
I understand that there's this sense that it's limited to
New York. But AOC and Bernie Sanders, they co sign
really all of this stuff, and they're the Democrats that
have the most currency with the base. And it is
(08:51):
a Democrat party that came within a few hundred thousand
votes of Trump, even after lying about Biden's dementia and
putting forward the worst candidate in our lifetime in Kamala Harris.
So I mean, I would argue even worse than the
dementia guy, which tells you a lot. So we have
to take this seriously. People ask how does a Democratic
party come back? It's not hard. They were close even
(09:13):
in this election in aggregate numbers. When you really look
at it, there are a lot of people who are
voting Democrat no matter who they put forward, no matter
how crazy the idea is. And Mom, Donnie, I think
is just a symptom of that larger malady. And again
I'm gonna keep hammering it. If there is not a
coalition that arises to all come together to oppose Mamdanni.
(09:37):
If you have Eric Adams running as an independent Andrew
Cuomo running as an independent UH, and you have a
situation where Curtis Sliwa is the Republican that Trio is
going to assure that Mamdanni wins. So the only way
in New York City rejects Mamdanni and has some form
of sanity in terms of who it's selecting as it
(10:00):
its next mayor is if there's an understanding that they
cannot all run and there is a coalition of opposition
that comes together to try and defeat mom Donnie. My
concern is everybody's going to look out for their best interest,
meaning we're going to get more attention if you stay
in the race and everybody else loses, and there isn't
(10:22):
a coalition brought together to come against him. And I
think what Trump is talking about in general is the
opposition that he sees from all these sanctuary cities as
the process is underway to deport so many different people
is a direct opposition to the federal government and should
not be acceptable. And at some point, I think there's
(10:45):
gonna have to be a test case of someone, probably
a mayor that is one of these sanctuary cities. That
is directly defying federal law, and we're going to have
to have the court's rule about whether or not that
is permissible or appropriate, because I don't understand we made
this argument and the Supreme Court has set it quite clearly.
The President of the United States is in charge of
(11:07):
border related policies, immigration, all of those things. How can
we allow all of these individual cities and certainly governors
of states, but it's really being driven more by mayors
of cities that have decided that they are sanctuaries. How
can we allow them to directly defy federal law? At
some point that conflict is going to have to be
(11:27):
resolved in some way by the larger court system. It
feels inevitable to me. Well, get some calls and some
talkbacks coming up here in a second. I want to
hear from all of you before Clayton and I sne
off for the holiday. And like I said, Tutor Dixon
and tomorrow Brian Mudd in the next day, got great guests.
Host We've got live shows coming up for you with
(11:47):
fantastic content. But clay is going to be on the beach.
I might even get to the beach and it's fun.
I live.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
You don't through the beach.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I don't really get to the beach very often, which
is weird considering a next to one of the nicest
beaches in America. Some would argue for an urban beach.
For an urban beach, Okay, don't be like, well what
about Tahiti or what about you know, the Seychelles one
of the nicest urban beaches anywhere in the world. So yeah,
I should get to the beach too. We'll talk about it.
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Speaker 2 (13:25):
A lot of you weighing in on a variety of
different topics. Roger down in Texas, he wants to know
if we saw something happened over the weekend.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Listen, Hey, did y'all see the General Lee jump?
Speaker 7 (13:38):
I'm just wondering.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I think that broke up a little bit, or at
least it broke up a little bit with me. He
wanted to know if we saw the General Lee from
Dukes of Hazard jump the fountain in Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yes, and it was awesome, super cool. Did you watch
Dukes of Hazzard when you were a kid growing up?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Uh, it's a little I was a little young for it.
My older brother, I think, used to watch that show. Well,
who's your age? So I was a little young for
The Dukes.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Of I loved The Dukes of Hazzard back in the day.
My favorite show, Dukes of Hazzard led into on CBS Dallas,
and I would say the first real massive disappointment of
my young wife was when they tried to replace Bow
and Luke Duke. I just remember being a kid and
so disappointed that those guys they were in a contract
(14:26):
dispute and they replaced him for part of season five,
I think, and it was it was her shattering for
young I remember I was I was a big night
rider guy. Oh I like that too. Did you have
the night Rider? Did you have the car kit kit?
They could talk back? That was pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
And and now here we are a place where the
car actually can just drive up and pick you up.
I have friends who have had their their Tesla just
come and and and you know, get them. They can
actually do that.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
They can summon it.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
And look I talked about being in the way mo.
And if you want a prediction for twenty years from now,
I think driving cars gonna end up like riding horses,
something that people do for fun, but that the average
person no longer does. I would bet on that in
twenty years Jordan in Oklahoma.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
What you got, Travis, I've just got two quick questions here.
One is Siria. Why is Trump lifting the sanctions off
of Syria and taking them off the terror sponsor group?
And also what are Cash Fattel and Dan Bongino doing
about twenty twenty covid Epstein January sixth and the Biden
(15:39):
auto pen And a friend of mine, John wanted me
to give you this quote. I believe in two things absolutely,
the first amendment in Boobs.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well, I like the last one. And there's a lot
of the FBI. The answer all that FBI stuff is
we don't know because they're not talking about everything going
on there. And at some level it's just give I
would just say, give Cash and Dan the director and
deputy director of the FBI, give them the time necessary
(16:12):
to do more of what needs to be done there.
It has only been five months. It is early in
the game. And what was the first thing that he said? Yes, Assyria.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
The Syria answer is he's trying to give that new
government an opportunity to prove that they can be allies.
And I think if you look at it in the
bigger picture of the Middle East, given how tough he
has been on Iran. He is currying favor again politically
with Saudi Arabia, with the UAE, with Qatar, with Bahrain
(16:43):
by both carrot and stick. Obviously the stick for Iran,
the carrot for Syria. If that new government can somehow
be better than Asad, he's giving them an opportunity to
try to prove that they're worthy of trust. And so
far it does appear that that has that's been going better,
but it's still very early in that new government.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
This is very important. This is a d D talk back.
Jill from Oregon, let's hear it.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Hi, This is Jill, and I'm an Oregon and I
have to go with Buck on the pistachio ice cream.
I come from an area where we had a local
dairy and so it was not hard to get pistachio
ice cream and it was fantastic. So even as a kid,
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
And put that one in your cone there, mister Clay Travis.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I still believe that pistachio is not a top twenty
ice cream flavor.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
You have to say pistachio. If you call it pistachio,
it makes it sound even worse.
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good things going on here. Joe from Let's Take Ah,
Joe from Mesa, Arizona, Hey Joe and Mesa.
Speaker 7 (19:54):
I was trying to explain to my friend, just like
why most of America doesn't even care about the importations
that are happening, and he flipped out on me and
was saying that I needed to admit that I hate
every other race other than my own anyways. So in
the end, they're just totally brainwashed and there's nothing you
(20:16):
can do.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
The law either matters or a dozen has nothing to
do with race, has to do with being a rule
of law society. Clay.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, and look, I think that a lot of people
are dialed out and just randomly buy into all of
the history onics. I mean, I think a perfect example
of this is, you know we're going to hit right now.
The stock market is up again today for another high.
(20:45):
It was only two months ago that they were telling
you that everything was going to collapse and that you
needed to make sure that you sold all your stocks
and that we were headed for basically a nuclear winter
and from an economic and it just hasn't happened. And
so I think the total fear there is it works
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on a lot of people, and they are aware that
emotionally they can play on people's failings as it pertains
to that.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Basically we have next up here a lot of Lord
of the Rings nerds in this audience. Oh we didn't
get we said we were gonna do the movie thing. Yeah,
that's why I thought Times. I was doing my research
here New York Times Best Now this is a little
bit of a frustration because people don't pay. It's like
(21:38):
when you had a teacher that said, make sure you
read the instructions for the exam before you take the exam.
It's the best movies of the twenty first century. So
anybody who's jumping in with Braveheart or you know which
I love and would be my overall choice, overall favorite
movie all time. That's nineteen ninety eight, I think, or
(22:00):
six or I forget when the nine I don't know,
but it was. It was definitely in the twentieth twenty two, zero,
twenty eighth century, twenty first century. Best movies of the
twenty first century. This is this is the New York
Times list that came out. We got a wait, producer,
I got all of you to tell me your your picks,
and I thought they were pretty solid. And let's say
(22:20):
all of you, I mean our team in New York,
New York team. Let's start with you, Ali, Producer, Ali,
what was your best movie of the twenty first century?
You had time to think about this, so you're on
the hot seat now. If you forgot what is it.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Oh no, I'm totally on the hot seat. I had
gone with Gladiator, but I had the years all wrong.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, I don't think it came about hold On Gilllauty
two thousand.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yes, it counts in the New York Times list.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
It does because that's technically the twenty eighth century.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
They have it down at ninety two, so they are
counting anything that's two thousand and beyond.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Well, that's an outrage. First of all. The fact that
they're counting it and they're putting it at ninety two
is an outright because Ali, I'd be it would be
a top fiver for me, top fiver for sure. They
put Parasite at number one a foreign film as the
best movie of the twenty first century, which which I
think is mad. A producer, Mike, what was yours? You
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had a good one? Dark Knight? Well you Dark Knight?
Or was that Greg? What is producer? Mike saw producer
Dark Knight, Dark Knight. Yeah, he was Dark Knight. Solid.
I can't I can't quibble with that. I have watched
that movie probably one hundred times. I enjoyed the Dark Knight.
He really brought back people think now all the Batman franchise,
(23:36):
huge franchise that was. It was on the ropes after
a couple of really bad Batman movies that bombed big time,
including one with I think the girl from Clueless was
in it, Alicia Silverstone. There was a George Klue No,
don't even remembers. George Clooney played Batman and it was
such a bad movie that people don't even remember that
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he was Batman. So there were The Dark Knight was
came back from The Batman Begins and The Dark Knight
both great, great options. Remember twenty first century, we're looking
at Clay, what was yours?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I broke it down trio meaning because to me, there
is there's a difference between a kid movie, there's a
difference between a comedy, and there's a difference between a
dramedy drama. So I went with I agree the whole
Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy, The Dark Knight, that that is
really phenomenal, well done. Up I think was the best
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of the Pixar movies. Up If You Up is so
well done. And then I think the funniest movie of
the twenty first century.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I think it's old school.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I just think it is absolutely hysterical, funny. Well that's
not even a category, and now you're making up categories funniest.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
I think Old School is the funniest movie of the
twenty first century.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
What's funnier than Old School? I think fourty year old
vision is funnier than Old School. Forty year old version
is very funny. Super Bad is very funny. Like there's
a series of four or five movies. I think that
you could argue, I think the combination of Will Ferrell
Vince Vaughan is tough to be. Wedding Crashers also really
really funny and well done. But I think you have
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to consider what again, best doesn't mean. Citizen Kane is
a phenomenal movie. We talked about yesterday. Shumler's List is
a phenomenal movie. It's hard to sit down and just
be like, hey, let's have some popcorn and watch Schimmler's List.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Well, this is this is like how I feel about
The Pianist p I A N I S T. To
be clear, the Pianist is a or the pianist maybe
some people say it that way. Is I think a
perfect movie, meaning it is incredibly well done and every
(25:55):
aspect of it from the acting, to the writing, to
the to the sounds, you know, to the sound track
to that. I think it's a perfect movie. But it's intense.
It's World War Two, it's you know, it's a Jewish
guy who's trying to flee the you know, the well
at one point it's his neighbors and the Nazis. And
The Pianist is an incredible movie, but I can't say
it's my favorite movie because if the Dark Knight trilogy
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or the Lord of the Rings movies are on, I'm
watching those instead of The Pianist. I'm just I'm not
gonna lie and be that guy, which brings me to
I think they're private producer, Greg, what was your pick?
You didn't give us, You didn't give us your We're
trying to help you, by the way, for the holiday weekend, everybody,
if you haven't seen any of these, we're giving you
great recommendations for I would argue The Lives of other
is a pretty perfect movie, although it is German language
(26:42):
and that is twenty first century, but again, it's not
a You still haven't even watched that, have you? You and
Laura haven't watched the Lives of Others and you have Okay,
maybe that one. Because it's foreign language. I could see
Lara being like Clay, don't don't you know, don't torture us.
You guys haven't watched Hacksaw Ridge, which is insane because
that was if you's got assignment a long time ago,
that movie would be fair.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
To be fair to me, I barely see anything. I
watch stuff with my kids, which is why I've been
watching Harry Potter.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Watch hundreds of hours of college football, hundreds of what I.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Was gonna say, and I watch a lot of sports.
Let me give you an underrated movie that I think
seems even more contemporary than it was when it came out,
Minority Report. Ah Sun No, I'm telling you go back
and watch it now.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
In an age of AI.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
It seems eerily prescient in terms of its foreshadowing of
where we are.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Producer Greg is going to weigh in, he was a
he wanted to get on this. Producer Greg, best movie
of the twenty first century. If you were making this
New York Times list, what's number one? Dark Knight? I'm with.
I'm with, Oh your Dark Knight got you? I thought
I thought we had double Dark Knight. That's a Keith
Ledger's performance as the Joker is the best bad guy
performance that that I think. You it's that it's the
(28:05):
No Country for old men with what's his name? Uh,
you know Javier Bardem, Javier Bardem and Hans Gruber in
die Hard, which was the first time that guy was
ever in a movie, which is still amazing.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Just watch The Dark Knight knowing that Heath Ledger was
going to in some way kill himself. Like I watch
it now and you're right, the performance is incredible, But
when I watch it, in the back of my mind,
I'm thinking, in order to become this good, he had
to go to such a dark place that it felt
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to me like a lot of people who are actors
and actresses, it's not actually that talented, you know what
I mean, Like there are lots of people who are whatever.
Heath Ledger, that was actually an artistic performance as the Joker,
but I think it led.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Him into a world where his brain like almost broke,
you know.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
He went into the darkness, went into the darkness too
much that that has happened with people that get too
into a role, A lot of people very high in
Because I saw a lot of comments about this, because
I was on I was on with Will Caine and
Carol Markowitz on Will's show on Fox Play, and that's
where this got some attention. A lot of people have
as their top movies. I would say the ones that
(29:23):
I saw the most. For all of you, all of
you out there, I say the one that I saw
the most. As a number one choice was either There
Will Be Blood or No Country for Old Men for
best Movie the twenty first century. I view those as
both excellent movies, but it also goes in that category.
(29:43):
There Will Be Blood for me is like watching a
masterclass of acting. Like obviously Daniel da Lewis is phenomenal
and the performances are. But do I care about anybody
in this story?
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Really? Now?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Do I like anybody?
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Really? No?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
And then I think that unfortunately, No Country for Old
Men again very well made, and I'm not saying it's
not a good movie. I'm just saying, you know, if
it's on, am I gonna watch it? It's so bleak
and kind of nihilistic for me. So I can't get
too excited about either one of those as a top
ten of the twenty first century. They're both excellent movies,
(30:20):
to be clear, but they're not movies. I've only watched
each of those maybe twice, which for me is not
very many.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I also, to me, when it's a book being made
into a movie, I think the excellence of the movie
in many ways reflects the book. And Cormac McCarthy is
probably the greatest author, now I'm really gonna get people
fired up, Probably the greatest author of the last thirty years.
(30:46):
And I know he died a couple of years ago,
but if you look at his production in terms of
his talent, and you go all the way back. He
moved eventually his fiction to basically the border with Texas
in Mexico, but he started off as a Tennessee based writer,
and I think he's probably the most talented writer in
(31:09):
America in the last thirty years. And so No Country
for Old Men is a novel by him, and I
think it just reflects the world that he created on
the screen and is actually an illustration of his excellence
as a writer more than it is as a film.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Like if you said, hey, the Great Gatsby, which it isn't,
and it's been made multiple times, most recently with Leonardo DiCaprio.
If you said The Great Gatsby is the best movie
that's ever been made. I would be like, well, it's
a phenomenal novel, and so to me, I strip out
anything that isn't an original movie as a great movie.
Does that make sense because it's a reflection of the
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of the book.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
More than one talkback here before we get into more
talkbacks and calls to close us out, AA podcast listener
Zeb from Texas Play.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
It Playing Book. This is Zeb from Texas Love your Show,
listen to you every day since she took over for
USh Ditto. Maybe uh hey, listen, I'm so disappointed in
the Yellow Question producer Greg after he's led you right
so many times. Minus Tireth is the capital city of
Gondor after ausk Iliath was destroyed by the Orcs and
(32:20):
the Battle of Saaron.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Trust your man.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
I just this is the nerdiest thing that has ever
been said on the show, which is I.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Just love I love it. We have listeners who clearly
clearly have a twelve gage across the backseat of the car,
have a stetson on and cowboy boots, and they're lecturing
us about Minas Tirith as the city of God, as
the capital of Gondor after Osilius, of course was destroyed
by the Orcs and the Battle of Sauron. That is
(32:48):
that is our that is our Texas audience rolling around
in a pickup ready for any hovelinas they have to
take out. But you get Lord of the Rings wrong
and they're dropping knowledge on you.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
The correction yesterday that I've read is the nerdiest thing
that's ever been said on the show. That talkback in
Buck's analysis of it is the second nerdiest thing that's
ever been said on the show.
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July fourth. Buck and I will be out with our
families for the fourth. We hope all of you are
(34:42):
going to be safe if you're on the roads traveling
all over the country. Is supposed to be a record
breaking amount of travel going on this week, so please
stay safe. Yesterday, Buck, I was driving home with my
kids directly in front of me, and I tweeted it
out right along the Gulf of America, Panama City Beach
where I was yesterday, a guy driving a Jeep with
(35:04):
a huge Trump twenty twenty eight flag. So I posted
that picture, but I thought it kind of spoke. As
we get ready for the two hundred and forty ninth
anniversary of the country, we want all of you to
have a fabulous time. Download the podcast, go subscribe to
Crockett Coffee and we're gonna be back with you on Monday,
(35:24):
but we'll have shows live Thursday or Wednesday and Thursday,
and then a best of on Friday for the fourth.
Do you have any spectacular Fourth of July plans? What
are you gonna do? You mentioned you might go to
the beach, which is delicate for your easily sunburned skin.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Be careful, true, I'm probably going to take naps, read books,
walk my dog, and hang out with my wife and baby.
I'm a wild man, play I'm a wildman.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
That is gonna be fun.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
It's gonna be I'll be on What's day glays like
that is gonna be fun.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Okay, I'm gonna be.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I'm gonna be on the beach Wednesday, thirdday and Friday
weather permitting here, and I'm gonna be watching the rest
of the Harry Potter movies with my boys.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Are you a zinc.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Are you a zinc oxide guy? Under the eyes, I
can see you throwing the zinc oxide on for the sun.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
This is probably one of many not very healthy things
that I don't wear any sunscreen ever, Like I just,
I just, I mean, I think you gotta have a
tan and if you sunburn, like that's life. Put it
on the kids. But for myself, like I don't like
all the sunscreen everything else. Just stay out of the
sun if you're worried about getting sunburned.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Otherwise, well, Happy Birthday America from Clay and Buck and
we'll talk to you all on Monday.
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