July 5, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show kicks off with a patriotic July 4th theme and a strong focus on the political momentum surrounding President Donald Trump. The hosts highlight a series of recent wins for the Trump administration, including economic indicators, legislative developments, and media narratives shifting in his favor. Key topics include: WI Senator Ron Johnson's support for the "Big Beautiful Bill" in the U.S. Senate, which aims to address tax policy, border security, and healthcare reform. The bill is positioned as a major legislative victory for Republicans and a critical step toward repealing parts of Obamacare. Economic optimism under President Trump, with the stock market hitting all-time highs, gas prices at a four-year low, and inflation showing signs of retreat. The hosts credit Trump’s tariff strategy and economic leadership for these positive trends. Tariff policy and trade negotiations, particularly with Canada, are discussed in depth. The hosts argue that Trump’s tough stance has led to increased federal revenue without the inflationary impact critics predicted. The 2026 Senate race in North Carolina, where Senator Thom Tillis will not seek re-election. Speculation surrounds a potential run by Laura Trump, which could reshape the GOP primary landscape. Media acknowledgment of Trump’s success, including segments from CNN and other outlets recognizing his growing political strength. Criticism of the Senate parliamentarian and the reconciliation process, especially regarding the exclusion of provisions like removing suppressors from the National Firearms Act. Healthcare reform and Medicaid expansion rollbacks, with Senator Johnson advocating for ending what he describes as a “financing scam” that incentivizes states to expand Medicaid under Obamacare. Cultural commentary, including critiques of progressive figures like Ketanji Brown Jackson and New York City political candidates, as well as a broader discussion on leadership, media bias, and conservative values. This hour sets the tone for a high-energy, pro-Trump broadcast that blends political analysis, economic commentary, and cultural critique. It emphasizes the importance of conservative leadership, fiscal responsibility, and American exceptionalism heading into Independence Day.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in July fourth edition of Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
July fourth week edition.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I am down on the Gulf of America for what
should be one heck of a celebratory experience surrounding the
very first fourth of July on the Gulf of America
and all weekend long, it just felt to me like
everything continued to break in Donald Trump's direction, and we
(00:40):
are living in a pretty phenomenal timeline right now. Updating
you on the big stories over the weekend, the big
beautiful bill nearing.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Its passage in the United States Senate.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
We will talk with Senator Ron Johnson, who was one
of the last to flip and support this big news
in terms of the twenty twenty six elections, one of
the two individuals who voted against this bill, effectively Senator
Ran Paul One of the others, but Tom Tillis, who
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was going to face a very difficult race in the
United States Senate in North Carolina, Republican Senator there is
not going to run for re election, so there will
be a big primary probably, although I would imagine whoever
Trump endorses, and there's some talk that Laura Trump, his
daughter in law, who was involved with the RNC, might
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decide to step forward in that race, which will be
a big battle ground and one of the top targets.
Regardless even if Tom Tillis was going to run North
Carolina battleground state, Democrats are going to feel like they
have a chance to win that Senate seat and try
to make a run at the fifty three forty seven
(02:00):
margin that Republicans have right now.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So that is big news.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
The Mom Donnie fallout in New York City continues to build,
But I would say overall, even CNN I saw had
a Michael Schmerconish big discussion about how Trump is winning
on levels that we have not seen before. As we
are speaking to all of you on Monday, stock market
to another all time high, buck, these are winning times,
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and I gotta be honest, it feels pretty good.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Clay.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
There's one thing I think we left out of the
winning parade there that I want to throw for everybody. Well,
there's a few things we could talk about, but one
important one, because I know you're somebody who follows us
very closely, and let's just say, your trip to the
Gulf of America more economical than it would have just
a couple of years ago. Gas price is my friend,
(02:53):
Remember the first thirty days of the Trump administration.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Why hasn't he brought prices down? Look how expensive eggs are?
Trump is lieing?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Remember all that here we have And that's how they sound.
By the way, that's that's how all the guys reporting
on it sound. It's actually a perfect representation of their voice.
Here is on Good Morning America reporter Goo Benitez on
gas prices.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Play it.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
There is some good news, and that's good news because
most people traveling right now are traveling by road. Gas
prices three eighteen a gallon right now. That's the national
average for regular unleaded Last year that was three p
forty nine a gallon, so significantly lower.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
So some good news if you're hitting the road, Clay.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
It's the lowest that it has been in quite some time. Actually,
the gas price, isn't it fascinating? Donald Trump comes into
office and gas prices drop down quite a bit. Lowest,
I'm sorry, the lowest since I wanted to make sure
twenty twenty one lowest gas.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Price in four years everybody.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I think that's just a marker here, because you know,
if the gas price was the highest it have been
in four years, clayb be the number one story going
into Independence Day weekend.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
No doubt, it's actually the four year low for summer,
because inevitably somebody's going to come out there and they're
going to be like, well, actually they were low. Yes,
gas prices, as everybody knows, for Independence Day weekend, the
lower summer forty years and a lot of you will
remember down twenty twenty two summer was the absolute apex
of Biden inflation, and gas prices were out of control
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in the summer of twenty twenty two. I noticed this
in a big way because I just drove. I just
drove from Nashville down to the lovely Gulf of America
here and along the way, I take note of what
the price of gas looks like. And you mentioned that
clip which includes the crazy prices that people have to
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pay for gas in states like California, where they are
taxing you like crazy on gas. Everywhere I drove Tennessee, Alabama,
and Florida, all the gas prices unleaded are under three
dollars a gallon sometimes as low as like two sixty
to fifty, even with the summer hike that always happens
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because so many of you are going to be on
the road. So yes, you're one hundred percent right. They
tried to make egg prices a big story. Egg prices
are lower than when Trump came into office now, uh
and and people are recognizing and by the way, the
reason that egg prices went up so much was because
the Biden team decided to kill over the bird flu fears.
(05:39):
So many different, so many different of the of the
animals out here that are laying the eggs, kill chickens.
They killed a lot of chickens. And now now the
gas prices are down. What is We talked about this
a little bit, but maybe we can get the clip
from Trump's press conference on Friday where he was directly
asked about this. As one so called expert economist is
(06:02):
now saying, actually, the impact of the tariffs on overall
inflation seems to not have emerged. They keep saying, Oh,
you're going to see this in a month, or you're
going to see this in two months. And we're sitting here.
When was Liberation Day so called early April? If I remember,
we have not seen any increase in prices by and
large associated with the tariffs, and now people are starting
(06:24):
to say, wait a minute, this is going to be
a four hundred or five hundred billion dollars net proceeds
to the government. And the overall prices are not increasing.
To your point, the average price that people are paying
for groceries, the average price egg specifically gas, all of
it is down compared to in the Biden era. And
(06:46):
we have to also remember that while there's no inflation
from the tariffs, according to Secretary of the Treasury Vessened,
we also have very high rates right now. And the
Fed chair Jerome Powell, they're starting to say out loud
in the Trump administration, time for a successor at a
pal If you get a start to get a substantial
(07:07):
drop in rates, that'll add some rocket fuel to the economy,
which will also help. But so we're already at all
time behind the stock market. Your four oh one k's.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Are absolutely cruising your pension plans because remember the pension
plan that you have that also requires a return in
the market based on the capital pool. So if you've
got retirement anything, the market being really high is what
you want to see and so we're looking at the
possibility of I think it even stronger economy going forward.
(07:39):
You know, Canada said it was going to have a
digital services tax on tech firms in the US. Getting
a little frisky with US over the trade negotiations, Trump said,
you know what, no more negotiations with you guys, and
you're gonna get hit with some big time tariffs. Guess what, Clay,
they're tough talk from Canada on the digital tax line.
(08:00):
I asked about seventy two hours and now here they
are backing off of that one, saying, you know what,
we should talk. We should talk on the tariff thing specifically.
I just want to add it's one thing wheneveryone who
hates Trump opposes something, because they'll oppose anything.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Right.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Trump can say, hey, guys, I want to put one
hundred billion dollars toward during all forms of terminal cancer,
and there'll be lunatic Democrats who are.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Like, they won't really spend the money on this. It's
all gonna go to Trump's family member.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
You know, they'll just they'll find some way to hate
whatever it is he says. On tariffs, there was a
lot of dare I say the conservative orthodoxy on this
was opposed to Trump. You know, the old school National Review.
Oh what about Milton Friedman and William F. Buckley, et cetera.
They were opposed to him on this. And it turns
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out it looks like Trump was right, even in the
face of a lot of people on his own team
who were rooting for him saying that this was going
to cause problems.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
And here's a cut from the Friday news conference proving
that there is starting to be a reassessment. And I
would say in general that in the wake of COVID,
and I think you're probably the same as me, buck
my willingness to blindly accept expert opinion is basically at zero. Yeah,
because they're wrong on so many things that they're supposed
(09:20):
to be experts on. And here is that that question,
as one of the top economists has now said, looking
at the data, hey, and I give them credit for
being willing to acknowledge, Hey, maybe I was wrong. There
has not been any inflationary price pressure based on the tariffs.
And here is that question from Friday's news conference with
(09:41):
Trump cut twenty five. I believe let's play it, mister president.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
A leading global economists just at a one to eighty
and says, your tariff plan you may have as smart
to everybody with it.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
So what is your message?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I love this.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I love this question is a favorite.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
This is the best question I've ever been asked, because
I've been going through abuse for years on.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
This, mister, because as you know, we're taking in hundreds
of billions of dollars.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
No inflation, and he continued there, but I mean, this
is the reality when you look at what the data
has shown so far, it is that. And it makes
some sense that price competition is so intense in the
United States that many of these businesses don't have the
capability to raise prices right now. And frankly, as many
(10:28):
of you know, they use the Biden era inflation as
an opportunity to massively raise prices because everything was going up,
and they also shrunk the amount of product that you're
often getting in the prices in the process. Go look
and right now, because the economy is rolling and there
is massive price pressure, in fact contraction in many different
(10:50):
things that you buy, they have not been able to
actually do what everybody told you they would do, which
is raise prices on a substantial lay level to make
the consumer cover the inflation costs so far that is
non existent.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
If you're Trump, would you listen to any of these
so called experts ever again, who are all shouting at
you that they are econ models show that he's wrong,
You know, really like you know, if I'm Trump, I'm
just gonna say, you guys, shut up. I'm doing what
I'm doing for the next few years. You know, Trump's
going to be eighty years old soon. He's been to
the mountaintop. He knows what's going on here. He does
not need the chirping in his years from the economists.
(11:31):
Economists in quotes, what does it even mean. It's like
when people refer to consensus opinion on anything without actually
telling you who the consensus is.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
So I think Trump is once.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Remember we talked about this on China and how everybody
said he's going to start a trade war with China,
and then he was so successful actually with China that
Biden didn't even mess with the China stuff that he
did because everyone realized he was right. This looks like
another one of those moments, which is a big win
for Trump. That's why he was he was strutting his
stuff in that SoundBite you played, because he know.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
No doubt and also I mean, I think it speaks
to the fear of challenging conventional wisdom in the so
called expert class. Nobody wants to step outside and be
noticed by doing something outside of the herd. It's human
nature in many respects, but what you see as a
herd of opinion, and it can't be the case that
everyone uniformly agrees on a dynamic situation that is very
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difficult to predict. But being wrong, the fear of being
wrong is actually more prevalent in most of these people
than the risk of being right.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
You know, you're also getting we're all getting a real
vision here, real view of what does leadership look like
when you're the leader of the free world, which is
what the president is.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
What does leadership look like.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
It's deciding that you're going to hit the Iranian bunkers,
even though people are shrieking about how it's going to
cause World War three, and being right, it didn't cause.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
World War three.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
It's set back the Iranian program and back up Far
Israeli allies. It means starting terror negotiations. Despite the so
called consensus of economists out there shouting about how it's
going to cause inflation and price rises and everything else.
This is real decision making with real consequence. Where Trump
has been right, he has been correct, and I just
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don't think he gets enough credit.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Everyone realizes, Clay. You know, he's a he's a.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Political and cultural phenomenon, and but he is making calls
against what the so called experts and certainly what the
what the general momentum on these issues has been, and
he's already showing huge result. So I think that going
into this weekend, we all have to remember that this
is not easy stuff he's doing and we're all benefiting
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from it, and we need to keep encouraging this sort
of leadership and supporting this kind of leadership, including with
the big beautiful bill, which we're gonna get to here
in just a second with Senator Ron Johnson. And I
was at the range this weekend, Clay. I'm now also
a range safety officer certified, so I really think you.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Are the boys down.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I mean, I'm trained, I'm ensure, I'm all those things
coming up this fall, so it's gonna be good times.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
But I was talking to the guys out there, so
many different law.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Enforcement officers who are there as well because they want
to be able to either for training purposes themselves with
their team or on their own. They want to be
an RSO rain safety officer. And one thing we talked
about was non lethals. Do you know what the favorite
by far pepper spray brand of the officers to talk
to is because a lot of them carry the pepper
spray Saber. So if these guys who have to rely
on this day in and day out trust Saber more
(14:27):
than anything else, you should trust Saber too. It is
the number one pepper spray brand trusted by law enforcement.
And I've got people telling me exactly that face to face.
Sabre is how you spell it. Their pepper gel projectile launcher,
shaped like a pistol or a rifle depending on the model,
fires off of pepper gel projectile targeted goes a longer
(14:48):
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This is not about getting away from two A or guns.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
This is about.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
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Speaker 1 (15:32):
Let's get to cut twenty here in a second.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I just want to look, you know, when there's a
fight to be had, when it's put on the brass
knuckles time, so to speak. In politics, we tell you
when we we're angry about something. But it's also important
to take stock of your wins because that encourages what's
going on. It inspires further action in those directions. And
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so that's why you know, we're not looking at this
with rose colored glasses. We're just taking a moment as
we're going to this Independence Day weekend, think of where
we are now compared to a year ago.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Clay, maybe that's the best way to do it. A
year ago, it was, oh, they're going to lock Trump. Well,
actually Biden's debate it happens.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
So we were feeling like pretty good a year ago,
but there were still criminal trials about Trump, and maybe
somehow they're going to be able to win, and we
got Biden, the dementia pation, pretending to run the country.
And look at where things are now. Also on the tariffs,
the thing that the experts said that Trump was the
most off base on in terms of the economy this year,
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this has cut twenty CNBC no great friend of Trump's
play it.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Look how much we've been collecting in revenues. And I
did this in part because Wilfrid's here and he can
talk about the UK trade deal. But just this is
the monthly numbers and they have gone up a lot.
June has actually set for another big increase of twenty
seven billion. That is money coming into US coffers from tariffs.
We are collecting a lot of revenues. So far, Guys,
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one hundred and twenty one billion dollars has flowed into
the US government since the start of the fiscal year.
It's still a tiny portion of the overall revenues that
the US government gets, but.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
It's increasingly a lot.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Especially we haven't seen it in terms of the consumer
paying off higher inflation.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
One hundred and twenty billion dollars actually a lot of money.
It's a lot of money coming in that wouldn't have otherwise.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, and look, I mean we're talking about on pace
to be around four hundred billion dollars in tariffs, and
it may grow beyond that depending on how you know,
the purchase process of American commerce goes.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
And that's a.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Huge part of the overall budget to think about that
did it exist before and may go a long way
towards helping to balance the budget. Look, we'll talk about
this with Ron Johnson here in a moment, who has
been involved in the intricacies of the big beautiful bill.
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Senator Ron Johnson. I imagine a lot of people are
heading to the lakes up north in Wisconsin for this
time of year when it is spectacular. But you are working, Senator,
and we had you in studio a couple of weeks
ago breaking down the Big Beautiful Bill, and you changed
your vote at the last minute or signed on with
(19:20):
the bill at the last minute. What is the latest?
What can you tell us about where we are compared
to when we talked about talked with you on air last.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Okay, yeah, I should be trolling for Walleye right now,
but we're here work on the Big beautiful Bill. As
far as the primary components of this bill, I'm fully
supportive of Right, We're gonna make sure that we don't
have a massive automatic tax increase. That's about That's about
fortunion dollars of the score by the way. Nobody wants that.
(19:51):
Nobody wants to default our dad. Unfortunately, Democrats left these
enormous messes the open border, so we have to provide
funny for border, the wars. We had to provide funny
for the defense. Massive four year average Justina one point
nine trillion, the seven years before the pandemic, our destined
average six hundred and sixty billion. Four years afterwards under
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Biden Democrats one point nine trillion. So again it is
true the House provided us with the spending reduction about
historic spending reduction about one point four trillion, tend to
actually is about one point six. Our difference in our
scores is we make sure the business expensing provisions are
permanent versus a short term. So that's the main difference
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between the House and the Senate. Now we're hearing from
the House, you're not real happy, and we're short from
their math somewhere around six hundred billion dollars. Rick Scott
has an excellent amendment which was not including the base bill,
and that was really the sticking point on the motion
proceed We got the commitment of the leadership to now
(20:54):
we offer amendment vote, but whip it and try and
make sure this thing gets passed. I'm hoping President Trump
helps us skip the thing pass because that heady on
the date. So here's what the amendment does. It doesn't
kick anybody off of Medicaid. What it does is it
stops enrollment into the Obama Care addition to Medicaid, which
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threatens traditional Medicaid for disabled children, for example. So at
some point in time in the future, we're debating that
you just don't allow states to enroll them under the
nine dollars to one dollar match. I mean, you guys
realize that, right for a disabled child, for every dollar
the state puts into Medicaid, the federal government matches it
for a dollar thirty three. But for the Obamacare single
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working age able body, childless adults, for every dollar state
puts in, federal government kicks in nine. That's a huge
incentive for states to gain the system provider taxes, provider
fees which aren't healthcare by the way, but they get
reimbursed nine dollars for every dollar the states kicks in there.
So against it's a financing scam. We're trying to end
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that because of causing the outflow comes to billions of
dollars out of the federal government. We don't have the money,
so that alone could feel about five hundred billion dollars
of that gap if we give states until the first
part of twenty twenty nine and the scam I mean,
very reasonable proposal most Republicans support. In the Senate, we've
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got some holdouts and that's where we need leadership for
pressure people. You know, there are other things in the bill,
some extraneous task credits that you know, one word, thirty
seven jillion dollars in debt. Do we really have to
add task credits for this, that and the other thing.
So again, I think this is entirely doable. It's going
to take the president a weigh in, It's going to
take repugnant leadership to make sure that we can satisfy
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the House requirements. And then when all said and done,
this would be the huge achievement repealing at least the
most damaging part of Obamacare, which was the addition to Medicaid,
which puts it risk the Medicaid for disabled children. Do
you think it's fair that for a disabled child the
federal government kicks in a dollar thirty three, but three
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working age person that should be working getting help here
from their employer. We provide nine dolls for everyone. It's
just out of whack.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Senator Johnson. People are reading about I think many of them,
if not for the first time. It's certainly a helpful
reminder about the Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth McDonough, who has been
in this role since twenty twelve. This is not an
elected office. This is a It's pretty fascinating, actually, right,
this started some time around with the nineteen twenties, nineteen thirty,
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so it's about one hundred years ago. There's somebody who
helps with the administrative procedures rules within the Senate. I guess,
like when you guys are allowed to have bathroom breaks
or I don't know, whatever it is. And now there's
somebody who is stripping out parts of the bill like
the NFA National Firearms Act and silencers no longer being
an NFA item because the parliamentarian what is going on here?
(23:56):
And by the way, talk to me about that NFA
silencers or suppressors issue.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Well, I believe that was included. So this is incredibly complex.
I mean, this all has to do with the Budget
Act sets up this reconciliation process where we can reduce
mandatory spending, or we cut taxes or increased taxes with
a simple majority vote. Because of that process, the Senator
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Robert Byrd had rules in terms of what would qualify
for that what wouldn't qualify. From my standpoint, the parliamentarian
has been pretty even handed. When Democrats wanted to include
things or more policy than budget, she didn't allow it.
She's done the same thing here by the way, we
modified things that she wasn't going to kick out. We
listened to her instructions, we got it back in. So
(24:44):
I realized that ends up being kind of a bonus contention.
What we don't want to do is eliminate the filibuster.
I know a lot of people want us to, but
the filibuster has protected us from all kinds of massive
Democrats spending programs because in the minority, republics had the
right to block some stuff. So I mean, I realized
at the moment, it's like, get rid of that so
we can get everything we want. That would be pretty
(25:06):
short sighted thinking, but again, we've got a way to
do this. You know, rich Scott knows healthcare like nobody else.
Oh brilliant proposal. Doesn't kick anybody off of Medicaid, just
ends the Medicaid scam a few years in the future,
gives states, gives provideviters a chance to readjust how they're budgeting. Basically,
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states and providers are based in their budget off of
this financing scam that has to end. We simply can't
afford it.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Where do we stand now?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I know that Chuck Schumer made the entire bill be
read aloud in the Senate chamber, and that took a
long time. There's talk that Trump wants to get this
thing signed on July fourth. You're in the Senate right now.
What does the timeframe look like for everybody out there?
And where do we go from here?
Speaker 5 (25:55):
We're in the voter rama, so it's unlimited amendments, so
I can't predict how long it'll go. Again, we're in
very close conversation with conservatives in the House. They're telling
us this product right now is debt on arrival. I
actually take them seriously. You know, we we kind of
ignored their formula, their math. They looked at this differently
than we did. We're I think about six hundred and
(26:16):
fifty billion dollars short now from my standpoint, I'm I'm
fine to satisfying their requirement. Again, use Rick Scott's amendments
and enrollment for new Obamacare nine dollars to one match.
Those guys can go on to standard Medicaid, get get reversed,
same things as a sable child. Okay, do that start
(26:36):
at twenty twenty nine. That says this is about five
hundred billion dollars. Get rid of some of these extraneous measures,
some of these new task credits that just some some
Republican center thought, oh this is an important thing. Now
just get work. Thirty seven million dollars in death this
is not a time for additional task credits, for junking
out our task. God. Further so, I would have no
problem taking a look this, going look at this and say, okay, no,
(26:58):
we can reduce the death at by six hundred fifty.
Not a problem Again. Politically, you've got constituencies, You've got
people that apparently like to spend money, like to offer
new tax credits, refuse to do what they promised to do,
you know, repeal obombcare, rip it out by the root
and branch. This is just one route that is probably
the most damaging aspect of Obamacare. And we've got Republicans
(27:19):
now that aren't willing to do it. Just where we
need President's leadership, say, honor your promise, get that additional
depthsit relief, Get this pass to the Senate, get this
pass the House, and then we really will end up
with one big, beautiful bill.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Outstanding stuff. Senator Ron Johnson. We appreciate all the work
you're doing and keep us updated. You can hop on anytime.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Have a great day you too.
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Speaker 3 (29:37):
Okay, we all know Clay is probably a guy who
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it's it's a very lazy thing. A lot of a
lot of a lot of communist coffee. Drink a lot
of Mom Donnie coffee out there, a lot of drinking
the mom Donnie's stuff. Oh, if we just take more
from the rich and give to the poor, it'll be
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Speaker 2 (31:23):
I was watching the Mom Donnie video.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
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Speaker 2 (31:29):
I mean, I Buck, it's rare that I watch videos
and I think I can't believe this is a real argument.
I am really disappointed in New York City voters over this,
and we should dive into some of the things that
are out there that he has said.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
We're not talking like we've talked about this before.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
You can disagree on a lot of issues with a
lot of people and still be of the opinion, hey,
this could be a reasonable take. We talked about this
in the context of uh the way that the Supreme Court,
it felt like Mom Donnie even.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Said he's a bottom line, he's insane. I mean, this
is where this guy is a total disaster waiting to
happen for the city of New York, and he makes
arguments that are inexcusable and and very destructive if they
actually come to fruition. So that much is for sure.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
We're gonna but we're gonna, We're gonna get there.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Think and the Katanji Brown Jackson to me kind of
ties in with Mom Donnie because the decisions when you
saw come out on Friday, it was as if the
rest of the Supreme Court was just done with pretending
that her arguments were being made in any kind of
rational or.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Good faith based.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
She's an activist who lacks the understanding and the wisdom
to be a Supreme Court justice functioning even as a
partisan Democrat. I mean, she doesn't even cover it up
well enough. She's an activist, so she's it's the MSNBC
Comments section sitting on the Supreme Court. It's a shame,
but that's what it is. It doesn't even really pretend anymore.
I want to get a couple of these calls. If
we're gonna do mom Donnie second all the best Mom
(32:58):
Donnie or the worst Mom Donnie, I should say, Uh,
Jeff in Nebraska wants to weigh on what's up? Jeff
going once.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
He's straight up to that NFA question.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Oh you think Johnson dodged the question, Senator Johnson.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
He absolutely dodged it. Now listen, this parliamentarian person is
an unelected person. She was appointed by Harry Reid, one
of the most vicious partisan to ever sit in the Senate. Oh,
I know, soon John Sune can tell her what to do,
and John Thune can fire her, bud. He won't.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
And this is a guy who received the second least
amount of votes as any sitting senator to get his position,
second only to Lisa Markowski. Yet he can hold up
the entire country on anything he wants.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I look, I don't like this parliamentarian nonsense in this,
in this situation at all. That's why I asked the
senator about it. I also don't like that the NFA
for silence or for suppressors silence. People call them silencers too.
Just to be clear, don't don't send me their suppressors.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
I own.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I own some, so I don't need to hear it.
The Uh, you know, the the suppressors issue in the
National Firearms Act. They should be taken out. Uh, there's
no this that they're not, you know, murder devices or
whatever people think from the movies. It just means your
ears are better protective when you go shooting. They're still loud. Okay,
it's not like it's not peel pew as people know.
(34:22):
So that's annoying that that might get stripped out by
the parliamentarian. I got to check on that. A lot's
still happening. And Clay, this is one of the problems
when you call the fire now call when you try
to find out what's going on. When things are in flux,
you can be told, oh, oh, I think that's fine,
or I think that's It's tough to get people focused
in and riled up about something when you're not sure
what that's something. Is not only that the parliamentarian what
(34:45):
I thought his answer was interesting on I remember the
Biden team being furious at this parliamentarian because they were
trying to use the reconciliation package and basically to try
to sum it up in a sentence, because it is
very implicated.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
The only way you can get through on this loophole
with reconciliation, which allows you to avoid having to get
primarily budgets right, primarily budget So there were a lot
of things in that line of Hey, is this primarily
a budget based decision or is a political based decision?
Is very complicated and frankly tenuous, right, I mean, it's
(35:21):
ultimately in the eyes of the beholder. And I know
the Biden team, as Ron Johnson laid out, was furious
over a lot of the rulings that she made as well.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Let's take a talk back here. Brian from Woo's Massachusetts
AA hit It.
Speaker 8 (35:36):
Hi Buck just had a question for you now that
you're an instructor of firearms instructor, is this curious as
to when you think how old a child could be
before you could start training them on the proper use
of firearms?
Speaker 5 (35:47):
Like how old?
Speaker 1 (35:48):
How old would.
Speaker 8 (35:49):
You allow a child to handle a loaded firearm for
purposes of training.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Thanks, that's a very good question. I would.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
I started shooting twenty two, so I'll just speak from
my own experience. We started shooting twenty two caliber rifles
when I was about ten or eleven years old. I
think for twenty two that's good. I think the twenty
two caliber is a great teaching tool to have. I
don't think that you should have somebody who is handling
a firearm at an age when they can't fully cycle,
(36:17):
meaning load, reload, manually cockback everything. So I'll come back
to this maybe if you want later, but really, fourteen fifteen,
I think you can start doing nine millimeters
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Probably Travis and Buck Sexton on the front Lines of
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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in July fourth edition of Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
July fourth week edition.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I am down on the Gulf of America for what
should be one heck of a celebratory experience surrounding the
very first fourth of July on the Gulf of America
and all weekend long, it just felt to me like
everything continued to break in Donald Trump's direction, and we
(00:40):
are living in a pretty phenomenal timeline right now. Updating
you on the big stories over the weekend, the big
beautiful bill nearing.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Its passage in the United States Senate.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
We will talk with Senator Ron Johnson, who was one
of the last to flip and support this big news
in terms of the twenty twenty six elections, one of
the two individuals who voted against this bill, effectively Senator
Ran Paul One of the others, but Tom Tillis, who
(01:16):
was going to face a very difficult race in the
United States Senate in North Carolina, Republican Senator there is
not going to run for re election, so there will
be a big primary probably, although I would imagine whoever
Trump endorses, and there's some talk that Laura Trump, his
daughter in law, who was involved with the RNC, might
(01:39):
decide to step forward in that race, which will be
a big battle ground and one of the top targets.
Regardless even if Tom Tillis was going to run North
Carolina battleground state, Democrats are going to feel like they
have a chance to win that Senate seat and try
to make a run at the fifty three forty seven
(02:00):
margin that Republicans have right now.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So that is big news.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
The Mom Donnie fallout in New York City continues to build,
But I would say overall, even CNN I saw had
a Michael Schmerconish big discussion about how Trump is winning
on levels that we have not seen before. As we
are speaking to all of you on Monday, stock market
to another all time high, buck, these are winning times,
(02:27):
and I gotta be honest, it feels pretty good.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Clay.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
There's one thing I think we left out of the
winning parade there that I want to throw for everybody. Well,
there's a few things we could talk about, but one
important one, because I know you're somebody who follows us
very closely, and let's just say, your trip to the
Gulf of America more economical than it would have just
a couple of years ago. Gas price is my friend,
(02:53):
Remember the first thirty days of the Trump administration.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Why hasn't he brought prices down? Look how expensive eggs are?
Trump is lieing?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Remember all that here we have And that's how they sound.
By the way, that's that's how all the guys reporting
on it sound. It's actually a perfect representation of their voice.
Here is on Good Morning America reporter Goo Benitez on
gas prices.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Play it.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
There is some good news, and that's good news because
most people traveling right now are traveling by road. Gas
prices three eighteen a gallon right now. That's the national
average for regular unleaded Last year that was three p
forty nine a gallon, so significantly lower.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
So some good news if you're hitting the road, Clay.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
It's the lowest that it has been in quite some time. Actually,
the gas price, isn't it fascinating? Donald Trump comes into
office and gas prices drop down quite a bit. Lowest,
I'm sorry, the lowest since I wanted to make sure
twenty twenty one lowest gas.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Price in four years everybody.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I think that's just a marker here, because you know,
if the gas price was the highest it have been
in four years, clayb be the number one story going
into Independence Day weekend.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
No doubt, it's actually the four year low for summer,
because inevitably somebody's going to come out there and they're
going to be like, well, actually they were low. Yes,
gas prices, as everybody knows, for Independence Day weekend, the
lower summer forty years and a lot of you will
remember down twenty twenty two summer was the absolute apex
of Biden inflation, and gas prices were out of control
(04:32):
in the summer of twenty twenty two. I noticed this
in a big way because I just drove. I just
drove from Nashville down to the lovely Gulf of America
here and along the way, I take note of what
the price of gas looks like. And you mentioned that
clip which includes the crazy prices that people have to
(04:54):
pay for gas in states like California, where they are
taxing you like crazy on gas. Everywhere I drove Tennessee, Alabama,
and Florida, all the gas prices unleaded are under three
dollars a gallon sometimes as low as like two sixty
to fifty, even with the summer hike that always happens
(05:17):
because so many of you are going to be on
the road. So yes, you're one hundred percent right. They
tried to make egg prices a big story. Egg prices
are lower than when Trump came into office now, uh
and and people are recognizing and by the way, the
reason that egg prices went up so much was because
the Biden team decided to kill over the bird flu fears.
(05:39):
So many different, so many different of the of the
animals out here that are laying the eggs, kill chickens.
They killed a lot of chickens. And now now the
gas prices are down. What is We talked about this
a little bit, but maybe we can get the clip
from Trump's press conference on Friday where he was directly
asked about this. As one so called expert economist is
(06:02):
now saying, actually, the impact of the tariffs on overall
inflation seems to not have emerged. They keep saying, Oh,
you're going to see this in a month, or you're
going to see this in two months. And we're sitting here.
When was Liberation Day so called early April? If I remember,
we have not seen any increase in prices by and
large associated with the tariffs, and now people are starting
(06:24):
to say, wait a minute, this is going to be
a four hundred or five hundred billion dollars net proceeds
to the government. And the overall prices are not increasing.
To your point, the average price that people are paying
for groceries, the average price egg specifically gas, all of
it is down compared to in the Biden era. And
(06:46):
we have to also remember that while there's no inflation
from the tariffs, according to Secretary of the Treasury Vessened,
we also have very high rates right now. And the
Fed chair Jerome Powell, they're starting to say out loud
in the Trump administration, time for a successor at a
pal If you get a start to get a substantial
(07:07):
drop in rates, that'll add some rocket fuel to the economy,
which will also help. But so we're already at all
time behind the stock market. Your four oh one k's.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Are absolutely cruising your pension plans because remember the pension
plan that you have that also requires a return in
the market based on the capital pool. So if you've
got retirement anything, the market being really high is what
you want to see and so we're looking at the
possibility of I think it even stronger economy going forward.
(07:39):
You know, Canada said it was going to have a
digital services tax on tech firms in the US. Getting
a little frisky with US over the trade negotiations, Trump said,
you know what, no more negotiations with you guys, and
you're gonna get hit with some big time tariffs. Guess what, Clay,
they're tough talk from Canada on the digital tax line.
(08:00):
I asked about seventy two hours and now here they
are backing off of that one, saying, you know what,
we should talk. We should talk on the tariff thing specifically.
I just want to add it's one thing wheneveryone who
hates Trump opposes something, because they'll oppose anything.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Right.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Trump can say, hey, guys, I want to put one
hundred billion dollars toward during all forms of terminal cancer,
and there'll be lunatic Democrats who are.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Like, they won't really spend the money on this. It's
all gonna go to Trump's family member.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
You know, they'll just they'll find some way to hate
whatever it is he says. On tariffs, there was a
lot of dare I say the conservative orthodoxy on this
was opposed to Trump. You know, the old school National Review.
Oh what about Milton Friedman and William F. Buckley, et cetera.
They were opposed to him on this. And it turns
(08:50):
out it looks like Trump was right, even in the
face of a lot of people on his own team
who were rooting for him saying that this was going
to cause problems.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
And here's a cut from the Friday news conference proving
that there is starting to be a reassessment. And I
would say in general that in the wake of COVID,
and I think you're probably the same as me, buck
my willingness to blindly accept expert opinion is basically at zero. Yeah,
because they're wrong on so many things that they're supposed
(09:20):
to be experts on. And here is that that question,
as one of the top economists has now said, looking
at the data, hey, and I give them credit for
being willing to acknowledge, Hey, maybe I was wrong. There
has not been any inflationary price pressure based on the tariffs.
And here is that question from Friday's news conference with
(09:41):
Trump cut twenty five. I believe let's play it, mister president.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
A leading global economists just at a one to eighty
and says, your tariff plan you may have as smart
to everybody with it.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
So what is your message?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I love this.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I love this question is a favorite.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
This is the best question I've ever been asked, because
I've been going through abuse for years on.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
This, mister, because as you know, we're taking in hundreds
of billions of dollars.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
No inflation, and he continued there, but I mean, this
is the reality when you look at what the data
has shown so far, it is that. And it makes
some sense that price competition is so intense in the
United States that many of these businesses don't have the
capability to raise prices right now. And frankly, as many
(10:28):
of you know, they use the Biden era inflation as
an opportunity to massively raise prices because everything was going up,
and they also shrunk the amount of product that you're
often getting in the prices in the process. Go look
and right now, because the economy is rolling and there
is massive price pressure, in fact contraction in many different
(10:50):
things that you buy, they have not been able to
actually do what everybody told you they would do, which
is raise prices on a substantial lay level to make
the consumer cover the inflation costs so far that is
non existent.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
If you're Trump, would you listen to any of these
so called experts ever again, who are all shouting at
you that they are econ models show that he's wrong,
You know, really like you know, if I'm Trump, I'm
just gonna say, you guys, shut up. I'm doing what
I'm doing for the next few years. You know, Trump's
going to be eighty years old soon. He's been to
the mountaintop. He knows what's going on here. He does
not need the chirping in his years from the economists.
(11:31):
Economists in quotes, what does it even mean. It's like
when people refer to consensus opinion on anything without actually
telling you who the consensus is.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
So I think Trump is once.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Remember we talked about this on China and how everybody
said he's going to start a trade war with China,
and then he was so successful actually with China that
Biden didn't even mess with the China stuff that he
did because everyone realized he was right. This looks like
another one of those moments, which is a big win
for Trump. That's why he was he was strutting his
stuff in that SoundBite you played, because he know.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
No doubt and also I mean, I think it speaks
to the fear of challenging conventional wisdom in the so
called expert class. Nobody wants to step outside and be
noticed by doing something outside of the herd. It's human
nature in many respects, but what you see as a
herd of opinion, and it can't be the case that
everyone uniformly agrees on a dynamic situation that is very
(12:24):
difficult to predict. But being wrong, the fear of being
wrong is actually more prevalent in most of these people
than the risk of being right.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
You know, you're also getting we're all getting a real
vision here, real view of what does leadership look like
when you're the leader of the free world, which is
what the president is.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
What does leadership look like.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
It's deciding that you're going to hit the Iranian bunkers,
even though people are shrieking about how it's going to
cause World War three, and being right, it didn't cause.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
World War three.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
It's set back the Iranian program and back up Far
Israeli allies. It means starting terror negotiations. Despite the so
called consensus of economists out there shouting about how it's
going to cause inflation and price rises and everything else.
This is real decision making with real consequence. Where Trump
has been right, he has been correct, and I just
(13:15):
don't think he gets enough credit.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Everyone realizes, Clay. You know, he's a he's a.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Political and cultural phenomenon, and but he is making calls
against what the so called experts and certainly what the
what the general momentum on these issues has been, and
he's already showing huge result. So I think that going
into this weekend, we all have to remember that this
is not easy stuff he's doing and we're all benefiting
(13:40):
from it, and we need to keep encouraging this sort
of leadership and supporting this kind of leadership, including with
the big beautiful bill, which we're gonna get to here
in just a second with Senator Ron Johnson. And I
was at the range this weekend, Clay. I'm now also
a range safety officer certified, so I really think you.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Are the boys down.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I mean, I'm trained, I'm ensure, I'm all those things
coming up this fall, so it's gonna be good times.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
But I was talking to the guys out there, so
many different law.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Enforcement officers who are there as well because they want
to be able to either for training purposes themselves with
their team or on their own. They want to be
an RSO rain safety officer. And one thing we talked
about was non lethals. Do you know what the favorite
by far pepper spray brand of the officers to talk
to is because a lot of them carry the pepper
spray Saber. So if these guys who have to rely
on this day in and day out trust Saber more
(14:27):
than anything else, you should trust Saber too. It is
the number one pepper spray brand trusted by law enforcement.
And I've got people telling me exactly that face to face.
Sabre is how you spell it. Their pepper gel projectile launcher,
shaped like a pistol or a rifle depending on the model,
fires off of pepper gel projectile targeted goes a longer
(14:48):
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This is not about getting away from two A or guns.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
This is about.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
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Speaker 1 (15:32):
Let's get to cut twenty here in a second.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I just want to look, you know, when there's a
fight to be had, when it's put on the brass
knuckles time, so to speak. In politics, we tell you
when we we're angry about something. But it's also important
to take stock of your wins because that encourages what's
going on. It inspires further action in those directions. And
(15:55):
so that's why you know, we're not looking at this
with rose colored glasses. We're just taking a moment as
we're going to this Independence Day weekend, think of where
we are now compared to a year ago.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Clay, maybe that's the best way to do it. A
year ago, it was, oh, they're going to lock Trump. Well,
actually Biden's debate it happens.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
So we were feeling like pretty good a year ago,
but there were still criminal trials about Trump, and maybe
somehow they're going to be able to win, and we
got Biden, the dementia pation, pretending to run the country.
And look at where things are now. Also on the tariffs,
the thing that the experts said that Trump was the
most off base on in terms of the economy this year,
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this has cut twenty CNBC no great friend of Trump's
play it.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Look how much we've been collecting in revenues. And I
did this in part because Wilfrid's here and he can
talk about the UK trade deal. But just this is
the monthly numbers and they have gone up a lot.
June has actually set for another big increase of twenty
seven billion. That is money coming into US coffers from tariffs.
We are collecting a lot of revenues. So far, Guys,
(16:56):
one hundred and twenty one billion dollars has flowed into
the US government since the start of the fiscal year.
It's still a tiny portion of the overall revenues that
the US government gets, but.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
It's increasingly a lot.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Especially we haven't seen it in terms of the consumer
paying off higher inflation.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
One hundred and twenty billion dollars actually a lot of money.
It's a lot of money coming in that wouldn't have otherwise.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, and look, I mean we're talking about on pace
to be around four hundred billion dollars in tariffs, and
it may grow beyond that depending on how you know,
the purchase process of American commerce goes.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
And that's a.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Huge part of the overall budget to think about that
did it exist before and may go a long way
towards helping to balance the budget. Look, we'll talk about
this with Ron Johnson here in a moment, who has
been involved in the intricacies of the big beautiful bill.
As you all know, he's up next. We'll see what
he thinks about all this. In the meantime, how would
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Senator Ron Johnson. I imagine a lot of people are
heading to the lakes up north in Wisconsin for this
time of year when it is spectacular. But you are working, Senator,
and we had you in studio a couple of weeks
ago breaking down the Big Beautiful Bill, and you changed
your vote at the last minute or signed on with
(19:20):
the bill at the last minute. What is the latest?
What can you tell us about where we are compared
to when we talked about talked with you on air last.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Okay, yeah, I should be trolling for Walleye right now,
but we're here work on the Big beautiful Bill. As
far as the primary components of this bill, I'm fully
supportive of Right, We're gonna make sure that we don't
have a massive automatic tax increase. That's about That's about
fortunion dollars of the score by the way. Nobody wants that.
(19:51):
Nobody wants to default our dad. Unfortunately, Democrats left these
enormous messes the open border, so we have to provide
funny for border, the wars. We had to provide funny
for the defense. Massive four year average Justina one point
nine trillion, the seven years before the pandemic, our destined
average six hundred and sixty billion. Four years afterwards under
(20:12):
Biden Democrats one point nine trillion. So again it is
true the House provided us with the spending reduction about
historic spending reduction about one point four trillion, tend to
actually is about one point six. Our difference in our
scores is we make sure the business expensing provisions are
permanent versus a short term. So that's the main difference
(20:33):
between the House and the Senate. Now we're hearing from
the House, you're not real happy, and we're short from
their math somewhere around six hundred billion dollars. Rick Scott
has an excellent amendment which was not including the base bill,
and that was really the sticking point on the motion
proceed We got the commitment of the leadership to now
(20:54):
we offer amendment vote, but whip it and try and
make sure this thing gets passed. I'm hoping President Trump
helps us skip the thing pass because that heady on
the date. So here's what the amendment does. It doesn't
kick anybody off of Medicaid. What it does is it
stops enrollment into the Obama Care addition to Medicaid, which
(21:16):
threatens traditional Medicaid for disabled children, for example. So at
some point in time in the future, we're debating that
you just don't allow states to enroll them under the
nine dollars to one dollar match. I mean, you guys
realize that, right for a disabled child, for every dollar
the state puts into Medicaid, the federal government matches it
for a dollar thirty three. But for the Obamacare single
(21:38):
working age able body, childless adults, for every dollar state
puts in, federal government kicks in nine. That's a huge
incentive for states to gain the system provider taxes, provider
fees which aren't healthcare by the way, but they get
reimbursed nine dollars for every dollar the states kicks in there.
So against it's a financing scam. We're trying to end
(21:59):
that because of causing the outflow comes to billions of
dollars out of the federal government. We don't have the money,
so that alone could feel about five hundred billion dollars
of that gap if we give states until the first
part of twenty twenty nine and the scam I mean,
very reasonable proposal most Republicans support. In the Senate, we've
(22:19):
got some holdouts and that's where we need leadership for
pressure people. You know, there are other things in the bill,
some extraneous task credits that you know, one word, thirty
seven jillion dollars in debt. Do we really have to
add task credits for this, that and the other thing.
So again, I think this is entirely doable. It's going
to take the president a weigh in, It's going to
take repugnant leadership to make sure that we can satisfy
(22:40):
the House requirements. And then when all said and done,
this would be the huge achievement repealing at least the
most damaging part of Obamacare, which was the addition to Medicaid,
which puts it risk the Medicaid for disabled children. Do
you think it's fair that for a disabled child the
federal government kicks in a dollar thirty three, but three
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working age person that should be working getting help here
from their employer. We provide nine dolls for everyone. It's
just out of whack.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Senator Johnson. People are reading about I think many of them,
if not for the first time. It's certainly a helpful
reminder about the Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth McDonough, who has been
in this role since twenty twelve. This is not an
elected office. This is a It's pretty fascinating, actually, right,
this started some time around with the nineteen twenties, nineteen thirty,
(23:33):
so it's about one hundred years ago. There's somebody who
helps with the administrative procedures rules within the Senate. I guess,
like when you guys are allowed to have bathroom breaks
or I don't know, whatever it is. And now there's
somebody who is stripping out parts of the bill like
the NFA National Firearms Act and silencers no longer being
an NFA item because the parliamentarian what is going on here?
(23:56):
And by the way, talk to me about that NFA
silencers or suppressors issue.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Well, I believe that was included. So this is incredibly complex.
I mean, this all has to do with the Budget
Act sets up this reconciliation process where we can reduce
mandatory spending, or we cut taxes or increased taxes with
a simple majority vote. Because of that process, the Senator
(24:23):
Robert Byrd had rules in terms of what would qualify
for that what wouldn't qualify. From my standpoint, the parliamentarian
has been pretty even handed. When Democrats wanted to include
things or more policy than budget, she didn't allow it.
She's done the same thing here by the way, we
modified things that she wasn't going to kick out. We
listened to her instructions, we got it back in. So
(24:44):
I realized that ends up being kind of a bonus contention.
What we don't want to do is eliminate the filibuster.
I know a lot of people want us to, but
the filibuster has protected us from all kinds of massive
Democrats spending programs because in the minority, republics had the
right to block some stuff. So I mean, I realized
at the moment, it's like, get rid of that so
we can get everything we want. That would be pretty
(25:06):
short sighted thinking, but again, we've got a way to
do this. You know, rich Scott knows healthcare like nobody else.
Oh brilliant proposal. Doesn't kick anybody off of Medicaid, just
ends the Medicaid scam a few years in the future,
gives states, gives provideviters a chance to readjust how they're budgeting. Basically,
(25:26):
states and providers are based in their budget off of
this financing scam that has to end. We simply can't
afford it.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Where do we stand now?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I know that Chuck Schumer made the entire bill be
read aloud in the Senate chamber, and that took a
long time. There's talk that Trump wants to get this
thing signed on July fourth. You're in the Senate right now.
What does the timeframe look like for everybody out there?
And where do we go from here?
Speaker 5 (25:55):
We're in the voter rama, so it's unlimited amendments, so
I can't predict how long it'll go. Again, we're in
very close conversation with conservatives in the House. They're telling
us this product right now is debt on arrival. I
actually take them seriously. You know, we we kind of
ignored their formula, their math. They looked at this differently
than we did. We're I think about six hundred and
(26:16):
fifty billion dollars short now from my standpoint, I'm I'm
fine to satisfying their requirement. Again, use Rick Scott's amendments
and enrollment for new Obamacare nine dollars to one match.
Those guys can go on to standard Medicaid, get get reversed,
same things as a sable child. Okay, do that start
(26:36):
at twenty twenty nine. That says this is about five
hundred billion dollars. Get rid of some of these extraneous measures,
some of these new task credits that just some some
Republican center thought, oh this is an important thing. Now
just get work. Thirty seven million dollars in death this
is not a time for additional task credits, for junking
out our task. God. Further so, I would have no
problem taking a look this, going look at this and say, okay, no,
(26:58):
we can reduce the death at by six hundred fifty.
Not a problem Again. Politically, you've got constituencies, You've got
people that apparently like to spend money, like to offer
new tax credits, refuse to do what they promised to do,
you know, repeal obombcare, rip it out by the root
and branch. This is just one route that is probably
the most damaging aspect of Obamacare. And we've got Republicans
(27:19):
now that aren't willing to do it. Just where we
need President's leadership, say, honor your promise, get that additional
depthsit relief, Get this pass to the Senate, get this
pass the House, and then we really will end up
with one big, beautiful bill.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Outstanding stuff. Senator Ron Johnson. We appreciate all the work
you're doing and keep us updated. You can hop on anytime.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Have a great day you too.
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Speaker 2 (31:23):
I was watching the Mom Donnie video.
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Speaker 2 (31:29):
I mean, I Buck, it's rare that I watch videos
and I think I can't believe this is a real argument.
I am really disappointed in New York City voters over this,
and we should dive into some of the things that
are out there that he has said.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
We're not talking like we've talked about this before.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
You can disagree on a lot of issues with a
lot of people and still be of the opinion, hey,
this could be a reasonable take. We talked about this
in the context of uh the way that the Supreme Court,
it felt like Mom Donnie even.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Said he's a bottom line, he's insane. I mean, this
is where this guy is a total disaster waiting to
happen for the city of New York, and he makes
arguments that are inexcusable and and very destructive if they
actually come to fruition. So that much is for sure.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
We're gonna but we're gonna, We're gonna get there.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Think and the Katanji Brown Jackson to me kind of
ties in with Mom Donnie because the decisions when you
saw come out on Friday, it was as if the
rest of the Supreme Court was just done with pretending
that her arguments were being made in any kind of
rational or.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Good faith based.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
She's an activist who lacks the understanding and the wisdom
to be a Supreme Court justice functioning even as a
partisan Democrat. I mean, she doesn't even cover it up
well enough. She's an activist, so she's it's the MSNBC
Comments section sitting on the Supreme Court. It's a shame,
but that's what it is. It doesn't even really pretend anymore.
I want to get a couple of these calls. If
we're gonna do mom Donnie second all the best Mom
(32:58):
Donnie or the worst Mom Donnie, I should say, Uh,
Jeff in Nebraska wants to weigh on what's up? Jeff
going once.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
He's straight up to that NFA question.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Oh you think Johnson dodged the question, Senator Johnson.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
He absolutely dodged it. Now listen, this parliamentarian person is
an unelected person. She was appointed by Harry Reid, one
of the most vicious partisan to ever sit in the Senate. Oh,
I know, soon John Sune can tell her what to do,
and John Thune can fire her, bud. He won't.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
And this is a guy who received the second least
amount of votes as any sitting senator to get his position,
second only to Lisa Markowski. Yet he can hold up
the entire country on anything he wants.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I look, I don't like this parliamentarian nonsense in this,
in this situation at all. That's why I asked the
senator about it. I also don't like that the NFA
for silence or for suppressors silence. People call them silencers too.
Just to be clear, don't don't send me their suppressors.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
I own.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I own some, so I don't need to hear it.
The Uh, you know, the the suppressors issue in the
National Firearms Act. They should be taken out. Uh, there's
no this that they're not, you know, murder devices or
whatever people think from the movies. It just means your
ears are better protective when you go shooting. They're still loud. Okay,
it's not like it's not peel pew as people know.
(34:22):
So that's annoying that that might get stripped out by
the parliamentarian. I got to check on that. A lot's
still happening. And Clay, this is one of the problems
when you call the fire now call when you try
to find out what's going on. When things are in flux,
you can be told, oh, oh, I think that's fine,
or I think that's It's tough to get people focused
in and riled up about something when you're not sure
what that's something. Is not only that the parliamentarian what
(34:45):
I thought his answer was interesting on I remember the
Biden team being furious at this parliamentarian because they were
trying to use the reconciliation package and basically to try
to sum it up in a sentence, because it is
very implicated.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
The only way you can get through on this loophole
with reconciliation, which allows you to avoid having to get
primarily budgets right, primarily budget So there were a lot
of things in that line of Hey, is this primarily
a budget based decision or is a political based decision?
Is very complicated and frankly tenuous, right, I mean, it's
(35:21):
ultimately in the eyes of the beholder. And I know
the Biden team, as Ron Johnson laid out, was furious
over a lot of the rulings that she made as well.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Let's take a talk back here. Brian from Woo's Massachusetts
AA hit It.
Speaker 8 (35:36):
Hi Buck just had a question for you now that
you're an instructor of firearms instructor, is this curious as
to when you think how old a child could be
before you could start training them on the proper use
of firearms?
Speaker 5 (35:47):
Like how old?
Speaker 1 (35:48):
How old would.
Speaker 8 (35:49):
You allow a child to handle a loaded firearm for
purposes of training.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Thanks, that's a very good question. I would.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
I started shooting twenty two, so I'll just speak from
my own experience. We started shooting twenty two caliber rifles
when I was about ten or eleven years old. I
think for twenty two that's good. I think the twenty
two caliber is a great teaching tool to have. I
don't think that you should have somebody who is handling
a firearm at an age when they can't fully cycle,
(36:17):
meaning load, reload, manually cockback everything. So I'll come back
to this maybe if you want later, but really, fourteen fifteen,
I think you can start doing nine millimeters
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