September 20, 2025 • 37 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show continues the in-depth coverage of the national fallout following the assassination of conservative leader Charlie Kirk. This hour focuses on the ideological implications, public reactions, and cultural consequences of the tragedy, emphasizing the widespread moral failure among segments of the left and the urgent need for accountability.
Clay and Buck begin by revisiting the investigation into the shooter’s background, including his romantic relationship with a transgender individual, and how this connection may point to ideological motives. They push back against left-wing narratives attempting to downplay or deflect the ideological nature of the attack, arguing that the timing and context of the shooting—during a free speech event—are too aligned to be coincidental.
The hosts also highlight the disturbing celebration of Kirk’s death across social media, including reactions from public employees such as teachers, pilots, and even youth ministers. They call for a clear moral standard: anyone publicly celebrating political assassination, especially while employed in taxpayer-funded roles, should be terminated. This includes educators, first responders, and military personnel. A growing online database reportedly tracking over 50,000 individuals who celebrated Kirk’s death is discussed as a tool for accountability.
Erica Kirk’s powerful speech is featured, with her vow to continue Charlie’s mission and ignite a nationwide movement in his honor. Clay shares personal stories, including how his sons and their classmates honored Kirk by wearing suits and ties to school and organizing Turning Point meetings, reflecting the grassroots momentum sparked by Kirk’s legacy.
The hour also critiques the left-wing media ecosystem, including the Emmys awarding Stephen Colbert despite his show’s cancellation and financial losses. Clay and Buck argue that leftist billionaires and media institutions protect and elevate ideological allies regardless of merit, while conservatives often lack similar infrastructure.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, welcome in everybody. Second hour of Clay and
Buck kicks off right now. Thank you for being here
with us. First hour, we got into some details by
the investigation into the assassination of Charlie Kirk, as we
told you on Friday, the alleged murderer, alleged assassin. You know,
we legally have to say alleged, but we all know
(00:20):
this is the guy. He has been in custody as
his father helped convince him to turn himself in. His
father was law enforcement. We have details on his romantic partner,
I guess you could say, which also goes to motive
and ideology here, that he lived with. Oh and Clay,
they're fighting that, I might add. The left is saying
(00:41):
that has nothing to do with anything. Really, it's a
coincidence that Charlie was shot when being asked a trans question,
shot by somebody who had a romantic relationship with a
transitioning trends individual. No, these are these are not just coincidences.
We all understand what's going on here. It goes right
to motive, it goes right to idea. We'll take more
calls on this. I did want to just take a
(01:03):
moment to get into some of the some of the
other important news that's also going on out there. One is,
I'm sorry before I do that, I mentioned that JD
Vance is going to be guest hosting Charlie Kirk's show
for a day, and others are going to be stepping
into guest hosts as well. Just a tribute to Charlie
and the incredible work that he did and the movement
that he built. Truly built a movement, and that is
(01:26):
going to continue on in his honor, in his memory,
and with renewed I truly believe renewed force and vigor
from all across the sane spectrum, not even just right
winger conservative, just all sane and decent Americans see that
there's a need here for what Charlie represented. But a
couple of things, Clay on the on the more daily
(01:48):
news side of things, or just the you know, the
other side of the news items, we're going to talk
about the National Guard in Memphis. I think that's really interesting.
I want to get into that. Something else that's struck
me for a second while this is going on. Did
you I was not aware and did not see until
this morning as I was doing our reading that the
Emmy has even happened. Did you see?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I only knew they were happening because my friend Nate Bargatzi,
the comedian, was the host, so I had seen that
he had posted that he was going to be hosting them.
I did not watch one single moment. I was traveling
to get up to New York during the Emmys, but
otherwise I would have had absolutely no idea.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I bring it up because one, it's funny how much
these awards ceremonies now, have you know? I remember when
I was growing up as a kid, like the Oscars,
for example, was absolute. Everyone watched the Oscars and you
were really rooting for a movie to win. You know,
no one pays attention to stuff anymore. But I'll tell
you the Emmy for Best Comedy Show went to Colbert,
(02:52):
the canceled Stephen Colbert Show, who ruined a dynasty, who
ruined a franchise. They gave him the award, and I
just think it goes to how out of touch, deluded
and kind of defiant in their absurd I mean, why
did he get the award because the narrative is that
(03:14):
he was anti Trump and some kind of an anti
Trump hero so the fact that he was overpaid and
his ratings stunk don't matter. And that just goes though
to everything you see with their media now. They are clay.
They are unrepentantly completely detached from reality.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I have not paid attention to the Emmys since they
gave Andrew Cuomo the Special Emmy in the way of
COVID and then had to then they pulled his Special
Emmy after he was accused of sexual harassment, not for
sending everybody into the nursing homes. This did happen last
night on the Emmys, though. This is someone named Hannah
(03:52):
Einbinder or I been heard of before. Yeah, I don't
know who she is, but she won an award and
this is how she celebrated. I see it on the
cut sheet here cut three.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Finally, I just want to say, I just want to say, finally,
go birds, guys, and free Palestine.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
That's like that right right there. You know that this
is a person who has honestly, just like low IQ
low information voter, uh, the the most superficial and self
congratulatory nonsense that you could say in What's as the
birds think? By the way, is that that's egal Oh?
(04:36):
That's for the Eagles. So the first okay, like that,
we're not trying to antagonize Eagles fans here, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
But the rest of it, you know, the bleep ice
there and they got the big win over the Chiefs.
But yeah, f Ice and free Palestine. And then afterwards
she's Jewish and she said, I just think it's important
for Jewish people to speak out what in favor of
the eradication of Israel.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
There are there are a a lot of left wing Jews, unfortunately,
who are deeply critical of Israel and and are and
give aid and comfort to Israel's enemies. I don't know
what else to say. That's not a I when I
was doing Middle Eastern studies twenty years ago on campus,
there were a couple of Jewish professors who taught Middle
Eastern studies and they were rabidly anti Israel. So this
(05:19):
is not a a new phenomenon that you could have
somebody that is taking that position. But yeah, I don't
even know this person is. I didn't want to spend
much time at it. For me, it was more just
the the fact that Colbert it reminds me of when
they gave the what is it the Pulitzer to was
it the Washington Post for the Russia collusion reporting?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Right?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Wasn't it the New York Times? It was one of
they all, don't.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I mean the fact that they haven't pulled those those awards,
it's just.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
What they're telling you. Who they are is the point.
The point of Colbert's show was not to be funny
and get ratings. It was hashtag resistance. They did. He
did that, they overpaid him to do it, and now
they give him awards for it. This is how the
left wing media ecosystem operations.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Oh, I mean, I think you should prepare yourself. I mean,
he's been fired by CBS, and he's fired because his
show is losing. I think they said forty million dollars
a year, prepare yourself. A left wing media organization will
pay Stephen Colbert over one hundred million dollar contract. Just
prepare yourself for To Buck's point, this is something that
(06:25):
I think the right could do a better job of.
There are lots of billionaires out there. You and I
are fortunate we've been able to make a living and
a good living doing this. There are lots of people
who struggle because they have politically unpopular opinions. I think
the left does a way better job basically protecting and
(06:46):
giving their advocates ability to make a living in media
than the right does. Would you agree with that that
like there isn't like these.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
The left takes care of their ideological warriors. They get canceled,
they get a remember Olberman, who, if you've seen on Twitter,
by the way, is completely deranged and has been for
a long time and shown us even more recently how
deranged he is. He is somebody who when he left
MSNBC or was really pushed out at MSNBC, I remember
(07:14):
he signed some preposterous deal with I think was Current
TV at the time. This is going back that time.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Al Gore owned Current TV, and that's right.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
And he never had more than a few thousand viewers
at a time, and the whole thing was but he
was making some absurd amount of money to do that.
My point is that the left takes care of their people,
left wing billionaires, left wing billionaires in this country, not
just George Soros. There's a bunch of them. There's Reid Hoffman,
there's others. They make sure that fringe and delusional voices
(07:42):
are well paid, well funded, and well distributed, and that
has a massive negative impact on our conversations nationally really
about everything. I would also just ad right now, Clay
in the background, we've got CNN here in the office
with us. Of course, Jeff Flake, he who was shouted
at over the Kavanaugh thing. Remember that Jeff Flake and
(08:04):
Gabby Giffords have written a piece together saying for an
end of political violence. Well, our side, we're actually always
opposed to political violence. We don't wait and this for
me from a lot of Democrats has a hint of
the call for ceasefire after October seventh. To it, you know,
something horrible happened. One person's responsible, maybe more, there might
(08:27):
be co conspirators, and I don't want to preclude that,
but one person we know is responsible for the act,
but for the encouragement of the ideology, for the encouragement
of the demonization. No, this is a broad left wing
Democrat problem, and that they want to do this both
sidesism drives me up the wall, and especially after what
(08:48):
just happened. Noticeplay there's no there's no accountability among people
on the left for this. There's no sense that our
rhetoric got overheated and crazy on this stuff. They just say, yeah, well,
you know what happens on both teams, and no it doesn't.
By the way, I can sit here and rattle off
all the only thing that they will point to that
has any real connection to Trump world is January sixth.
(09:10):
And the only person who was killed on January sixth
was a Trump supporter, shot in the neck when she
was unarmed. And you know, this is That's it. This
is the only thing that they can say. And I
just feel like we play We can't play into their
hands by pretending like this isn't a problem that needs
to be confronted squarely on the Democrat side of things,
(09:31):
because it is.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, and I think we can get into some interesting
discussion on the celebration of Charlie Kirk's death. I don't
know how you feel about this, but if you are
a taxpayer funded employee and you go on social media,
certainly if you're an elementary school teacher, did you see
(09:54):
the story buck about the I've got a ten year
old about the teacher.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
People calling in, by the way, who have experienced what
you're saying right now themselves, So we'll take those calls about.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
The teacher who played the assassination of Charlie Kirk in
his classroom and told the kids that Charlie Kirk deserved
to be killed. I let me believe that's pot possible.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Let me point this out. There are two pilots who
are now suspended I'm not sure if they've been fired
yet for major airlines you saw this, who also were
in the celebrating Charlie Kirk's assassination. I do not feel
safe with someone driving an airplane with two hundred people
if I know that I'm one of I do not
feel safe with a pilot who celebrates political assassination of
(10:39):
an American. And I don't think that's a strange position
to have it all. I don't want to be on
that person's plane. I don't trust their I don't think
they're psychologically fit to be at the controls of a
commercial jet.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I couldn't believe that I yes on that. Also, I
couldn't believe the number of people who were in uniform
posting videos celebrating Charlie Kirk being assassinated. I don't think
you should be able to be a police officer. I
don't think you should be able to be a member
of our military. Our taxpayer dollars are funding you, and
(11:13):
you some of these guys in uniform are celebrating Charlie
Kirk being murdered. And I've said this for a long time.
People get fired up on First Amendment in uniform at work,
you shouldn't be, in my opinion, advocating for anything politically.
This is an easy test. If I go to Walmart
(11:33):
and I go through the checkout line and the person
at Walmart says, hey, here's my opinion on abortion, when
they're like checking me out for my food, No, you
should be fired.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
If I go up to McDonald's and try to get
a hamburger and the person taking the order says, you know,
meets murder, Maybe you should get a salad instead, you
should be fired right in uniform at work, no one
has the right to advocate for politics. And I don't
even see political perspective on Hey, murder is good. I
(12:10):
think you should get fired if you're at work and
you're advocating, and if your tax payer funded. It's crazy
to me the number of people who have failed the
basic test of humanity of hey, is it okay to
kill a dad if you disagree with him politically? There
are tens of millions, maybe of Americans right now who
would say yay for that. I know they would celebrate
(12:32):
if you or I got murdered. I mean that's the reality.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, it is a basic test of humanity that so many,
unfortunately on the left, are failing. And it's something we
have to understand as a country, and we have to
grapple with this. We can't just move past this. They're
calling for an ideological ceasefire after an active ideological terrorism.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. We are
working through the continued fallout of the assassination of Charlie
Kirk from Wednesday, and there are a lot of different
reactions that are pouring in. But I do think we
should play Erica Kirk's inspiring comments that she made on
(15:17):
Friday evening in case some of you miss this. This
is cut eight Erica Kirk, Charlie Kirk's widow, two young children.
Listen to this.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Evildoers responsible for my husband's assassination have no idea, but
they have done. They killed Charlie because he preached a
message of patriotism, faith and of God's merciful love. They
should all know this. If you thought that my husband's
(15:52):
mission was powerful before, you have no idea. You have
no idea what you just have unleashed across us, this
entire country, in this world. You have no idea. You
have no idea the fire that you have ignited within
this wife, The cries of this widow will echo around
(16:13):
the world like a battle cry. To everyone listening tonight
across America. The movement my husband built will not die.
It won't. I refuse to let that happen. It will
not die.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Powerful. I mean, I was watching it over the weekend,
Clay I was traveling and I watched and I actually
gave a speech on Friday night in Las Vegas, and
Erica had spoken just before I went on stage, and
every and everybody was saying, did you see Erica's speech?
I said, yeah, A lot of a lot of tears,
a lot of a lot of tears, but also just
(16:50):
people in awe of the strength, the poise, and the
power of her words given the circumstances. I mean, none
of us could even imagine what she's going through.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I thought it was powerful. I went on immediately after
and did the Sean Hannity Show on Friday, his television
show on Fox News, and I forty eight hours after
her husband dies. A super positive story that is out
there is the number of people who are starting Turning
(17:22):
Point organizations, young people on campuses, on high school campuses.
I mentioned that my sons, my two oldest sons, happy
fifteenth birthday. By the way to Lincoln. Today is my
middle son's fifteenth birthday, So happy birthday, big guy, and
he and his brother and most of their school were
(17:44):
ties and suit coats in honor of Charlie Kirk. They
had a on campus meeting that they couldn't even fit
all the people in the room. I think this is
happening on campuses all over the country. I think it
is an incredibly positive reaction. Will continue to update you
on all of this, including Dan Lanning. I thought buck
(18:07):
really powerful statements, particularly when you consider that he is
Oregon's football coach, that he is dealing in a state
that is not necessarily very receptive. We'll play you some
of those cuts in a minute. And I was in Knoxville,
Tennessee over the weekend for the Georgia Tennessee game. And
the number of you out there that came up to me.
(18:30):
Was absolutely fantastic to talk about Charlie Kirk, and I
was just it was great to be out in a
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(18:52):
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Speaker 1 (19:30):
All right, welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We're
going to talk a bit here about the unhinged and
demonic reaction to the assassination last week of our friend
Charlie Kirk. It's important that everyone understand what is going
on here and that we not push aside or sweep
this under the ruck or anything. People need to know
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what some of the nurses, some of the pilots, some
of the teachers, some of the down the list, what
they think about this, or what they're saying publicly about this.
I will point out Bill Maher on his show This
is Cut thirty and he said this to me before,
and I'll get into Clay what he's said to me,
(20:13):
because I think it goes right to this. But there
is a huge difference even in just whether someone who
is a leftist will talk to you or not if
they know you're conservative. Play thirty.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
They're the people who don't want to talk. It's my
main issue with them. And Charlie Kirk was a guy
who like he was always talking, and I talked to
him here. You know, the right wingers say what you
want about them, but they talk to you. They're not
into this leftist think that the left really has much
more of a I don't talk to you. I don't
want to deal with you. You're deplorable. I can't break
(20:49):
bread with you. Yeah, that attitude and like all the
right wingers, they don't have that attitude.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
No.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Again, I didn't vote for them, and Charlie Kirk and
I certainly don't agree on much. But he said here,
he's a human being, he's not a monster, and a
husband and a father. Yes, and I liked him. I
liked them all. They're all nice people when you meet
them in person, and they're not as crazy as they
would nobody's as crazy as they make them out to be.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
I say, Bill, when i've I did to show the
first time. I don't even know now Clay years ago,
and this is one of our first conversations backstage. He's like,
I appreciate that you come here and you say what
you say and you tell people what you think. But
you're nice to everybody. You're cordial, you're not being a jerk.
And he said, you're one of these happy warriors. I
think that's a term very well applied to Charlie Kirk.
(21:38):
Many have already said it. Happy warriors ideological were ideal warriors, right,
that's the whole point. It's supposed to be exchanging ideas.
I don't take the positions that I take, and noother
to Charlie, now to you Clay, to make anyone feel badly.
It's because we want to share the truth with other people.
I actually want them to agree with me. I don't.
(21:58):
I'd rather much rather have them say, you know what,
you've got a point, or you know what, you're right,
than to feel mocked and belittled or attacked. That's actually
not the point. I mean, that can happen sometimes because
of the way these exchanges go, but that's not the
point of the exchange. But I know you're looking at this.
I mean there is a movement now to create a
searchable database online. Yeah, for people that are celebrating, and
(22:22):
that is the appropriate word. They are celebrating the assassination
of Charlie Kirk, which is so monstrous and so disgusting.
What are you seeing about the numbers that have been
gathered so.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Far, supposedly fifty thousand names. And here's the way that
I would analyze this, fifty thousand people who have gone
on social media and celebrated the assassination. The way that
I would work through it is this. I think if
you are a public employee, I think you should be fired.
That is, when I say public employee, I mean taxpayer funded.
(22:55):
If you're a member of the military, if you are
a member of police, if you you are a member
of first responding communities firefighters. I think everyone who has
gone on social media and celebrated a political assassination should
be fired. I don't believe our taxpayer dollars should go
for that. If you are The University of Tennessee, for example,
(23:16):
just announced that they have fired a faculty member who
celebrated Charlie Kirk's assassination. If you are a teacher, I
certainly do not believe that you should be in charge
of molding young minds if you are celebrating political assassination.
When it comes to people who are employed by private companies,
I owned a company, I sold it. I would fire
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anyone at my company when I own the company who
went on social media and said in any way this
is celebratory. I think individual business owners should have that right.
I don't think certainly it should be mandated if you're
a private employee, if you did it in uniform at work,
to me, it's a no brainer. I would do it individually.
But again, if you are taxpayer funded, I think we
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should have a pretty bright red line, and I think
the right red line should be you shouldn't celebrate. Hey,
if Rachel Maddow got assassinated, if Barack Obama had gotten assassinated,
you should be fired. If you are a military member,
if you're a police officer, I think you can easily
kind of work through this, and I don't have a
problem with that at all. Private employers, I think should
(24:22):
be able to make their own decisions.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
We'll take some calls. Here Christa in Florida with a
story that ties right into what we're talking about. Welcome Christa,
Hi clan book.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Thank you so much for taking my call. I really
appreciate it. This is it's been shocking, it's been heartbreaking.
But I just want to read you from this man's
LinkedIn page. Firefighter AMT has this material specialist chemical material.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Sorry sorry, let me let me say, can you not
share full name because look, there could be there could
be somebody having impostors. I just don't want this to
be putting people on blast without us knowing anymore. Okay,
thank you, No, absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
I will not say the name, just the credentials. Yes,
because then the most shocking part of that was this
was my children's youth ministry leader and he has you know,
he was working with my young adults.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
And what did he say, specifically.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
He celebrated one less maggot.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
On the world.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Oh my god, I just he was insulting our priest
for praying.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I mean, look, I appreciate you calling. Anyone who is
involved in children should be, in my opinion, immediately fired
from their job if they are in any way celebrating
the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
You know, thank you for calling. That's a tough thing
because it feels like such a betrayal. You've entrusted your
kids to this person for their moral development, youth minister,
and you can't understand the obvious, unbelievable and demonic moral
failure of celebrating this in any way, shape or form.
(26:23):
It's it's stunning, and we're seeing so much of this.
Uh and and I just I don't know, I Clay,
It's it has made me think that this country has
a has a darker future than and I had anticipated before.
Just because this, this has to be confronted and I
would just point out, and that's why I don't like this. Oh,
(26:45):
it's on both sides, and let's just all do dialogue.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Now.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
No, Charlie was doing dialogue. That's the point. His whole
movement was built on peaceful dialogue. And this is what happened.
And look at all these people who are celebrating this,
and now there's also this really, honestly, it's just so lame,
but this effort to say, well, conservatives are doing cancel culture. Now,
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everyone who's saying that if any person in any job
said a particular racial slur, they would all demand the
immediate firing of that person, probably in any context whatsoever.
They all absolutely believe in people being fired from their
jobs for offending or for political reasons or whatever. But
now they're pretending like this isn't so they obviously have
(27:30):
their red lines. They're pretending like this celebrating the assassination
of a father, a husband, a young guy thirty one
years old, that's not a red line, Like you should
keep your job even after you have brought that kind
of infamy on whatever organization you work for. That's insane.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, And I also think this is where I always
try to think on precedent. And I know this is challenging,
but I don't even know who the equivalent of Charlie
Kirk would be on the left. But I've just used
the name Rachel mad Ow. Buck's right that she's not
a perfect analogy. They don't have a perfect analogy because
their arguments are bad and they don't really believe in
free speech.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
By and Wall, they are very much trying to build
up somebody on the left now as the new person
for the youth, and he's a I'm not gonna say
his name on the show. He's a very bad person.
He's just a bad human being, so I don't want to.
But there's someone on the left that there and wrote
an op ed for the New York Times, as I
understand that about this issue is a I could play
clips on this show. The fact that the New York
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Times would give that guy, well, the New York Times
is a disgrace too. But it's interesting to me because
our Charlie was a good and decent human being, just
completely without getting into his politics. And the left, of course,
the person that they want to build up is an
outright scumbag. Outright scumbag, just to anyone who's curious knows
he does understand. This guy does understand internet culture and
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online video games. That I will say, but that's about it.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Well, let's use Rachel Maddow as an example, or this
unnamed guy. I also think if they were a set
fascinated at a free speech event and you went on
and you celebrated that as a teacher, as a faculty
member at a university, as a first responder, as anyone
who's employed by tax payers, I think you should be
fired for that too. So I think you can easily
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to me setting the precedent of where is the line
that we draw? And again, I think private employers should
be able to make their own decisions. I would have
the same standard both directions. I would fire someone when
I ran my own company, and I have expansive First
Amendment beliefs.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
But people don't under celebrate death. So is the standard
that the left thinks that we're all supposed to live by,
that you can say absolutely anything and I mean anything
and keep your job. Of course, they wanted people to
get fired for using the wrong pronouns of Yes, these
are the people that now all of a sudden, are
free speech absolutists. The First Amendment means that the government
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can't take action against you for what you say. It
doesn't mean that your private employer has to keep you
employed no matter what you do, no matter what you
say in public. That's not what it means.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
So I know that's why to me, I mean again,
you break it down. I think in times of emotion
it's challenging. But there is a standard for basic humanity.
And if you celebrate the murder of dads and moms
for sharing their political opinions, in my opinion, you have
failed the basic standard of humanity. If you fail the
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basic standard of humanity, I don't want you employed at
my company. I don't want you instructing my children. If
you are taxpayer funded, then I think you if you
fail the basic standard of humanity, you shouldn't be taxpayer
funded anymore. Now. Individual owners of businesses, I think they
should have the right to decide who they employ and not.
(30:46):
But this is not a tough call to me. We
can debate sometimes gray areas of Hey, what is an
acceptable speech? What's not sharing assassination? You should get fired.
In my always opinion, this is not a tough call.
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Speaker 2 (32:29):
Welcome back in Play Travis Buck Sexton show. Tons of
you weighing in, not surprisingly on a variety of different topics. Buck,
you want to punch some of these up. Let's say,
by the way, Senator Marsha Blackburn going to join us
about the Memphis National Guard call out top of the
next hour. What we got Buck? Uh?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Sandy in Memphis? Uh, let's take her call? What's going on? Sandy?
Speaker 7 (32:51):
Hi? Guys love your show. Not sure if y'all mention
this or not, but Harvey Levin is the TMZ guy
and he's he was on air when on Charlie Kirk's
death was announced and in the background where all his
people he employed, and they were literally cheering and laughing
and cheering, and.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
So Sandy, can I jump in just because I did
watch this video. I just want to point something out,
and I'm not saying that that I agree, or rather
that I think this is true or not. They came
on air and said, oh, the cheering you heard wasn't
for that. It was for a car chase going on nearby.
I find that, I know, very convenient under the circumstances.
(33:33):
I'll say that, but I just want to be clear.
They did try to claim right away that those were
not related.
Speaker 7 (33:39):
Okay, I'm glad you said that, because I didn't know.
Hair Harvey or whatever his name is, did put on
a statement, but the statement I saw said we were
not laughing at that, But he never followed up with
like a normal.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Person would say, I mean, Clay, did you did you
see this?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I saw both, I mean first of them, and Harvey
wasn't laughing at it, but there was there was laughter
in the background, or not laughter, cheering in the background.
But they in the moment, within a few seconds, said
I just want to be clear, that's we're covering an
unrelated issue a car chase right now. So I mean,
I just want to be fair that they they didn't
say that an hour later. They said that like five
(34:15):
seconds after you heard the cheering or you know, the
cheering going on.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
I think that's look I want to It was quick
enough that I think it maybe was true, is what
I'm saying. I want to make sure we focus on
people that are intentionally cheering for murders to take place,
and there are tens of thousands of them on social
media who want their opinions to be to be shared.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I mean, you know, I think given the speed of
the of the that wasn't for the Charlie situation, and
it was said right then, you know, I think you
give them a little I think they maybe deserve the
benefit of the doubt. I don't really know TMZ very well.
I just know it's kind of tabloid stuff. Yeah, I
can't really speak to like, I don't know Harvey, I
don't know what they're like, and that, you know, if
it had been some other organizations out there, I'd be like, well,
(35:00):
it's definitely a lie.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
So yeah, I also think remember the standard here is
very lenient. Don't celebrate a murder in public. You could
still we can't see into people's hearts. You could still
be happy that it happened. All we're saying is you
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And by the way, I'm not defending that that's still
a failure of your own humanity. It's a next level
step to say I want the entire public to be
aware that I'm happy a dad got assassinated for his
political belief.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
That video that you and I have both seen is
one of the worst things I've ever seen in my
entire life. And I've seen a lot of horrible things
because of the work that I used to do. That's
one of the worst things I've ever seen in my life.
I mean, I can't think of something that is more
soul crushing and grotesque than the video of what happened
to Charlie up there. So how could that not hit
someone you know, right in their soul? How could they
(35:57):
not understand right away like this is the most base
He's a human thing. I'm I'm appalled when I I'm
appalled by what is going on with these tens of
thousands of people celebrating.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
When I talked with my sons about the Charlie Kirk assassination,
and my two oldest boys were big fans of Charlie Kirk.
They watched his videos. They're active on TikTok and YouTube,
and they circulated and were influential there to such an
extent that many of our young men in particular have
seen these videos. One of my boys said, Dad, do
(36:33):
you think Charlie Kirk's kids are going to grow up
and one day watch the video of their dad getting assassined?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I hope not. I don't think there's any reason for
them to ever see it. And I hope nobody ever,
you know, crosses that line.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
That Jack question just hit me right in the solar plexus.
I just I couldn't because I was seeing it through
their eyes and thinking about the dad that those kids
will never know, and that video being out there is
it's just brutal, frankly, to brutal to think about. When
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we come back, we'll talk with Senator Marsha Blackburn of
Tennessee about the National Guard being called out in Memphis,
what she thinks should happen. And we just mentioned the
University of Tennessee. A lot of different universities are dealing
with this. Faculty members. University of Tennessee just fired a
celebratory faculty member. We'll talk about that in more
All right, welcome in everybody. Second hour of Clay and
Buck kicks off right now. Thank you for being here
with us. First hour, we got into some details by
the investigation into the assassination of Charlie Kirk, as we
told you on Friday, the alleged murderer, alleged assassin. You know,
we legally have to say alleged, but we all know
(00:20):
this is the guy. He has been in custody as
his father helped convince him to turn himself in. His
father was law enforcement. We have details on his romantic partner,
I guess you could say, which also goes to motive
and ideology here, that he lived with. Oh and Clay,
they're fighting that, I might add. The left is saying
(00:41):
that has nothing to do with anything. Really, it's a
coincidence that Charlie was shot when being asked a trans question,
shot by somebody who had a romantic relationship with a
transitioning trends individual. No, these are these are not just coincidences.
We all understand what's going on here. It goes right
to motive, it goes right to idea. We'll take more
calls on this. I did want to just take a
(01:03):
moment to get into some of the some of the
other important news that's also going on out there. One is,
I'm sorry before I do that, I mentioned that JD
Vance is going to be guest hosting Charlie Kirk's show
for a day, and others are going to be stepping
into guest hosts as well. Just a tribute to Charlie
and the incredible work that he did and the movement
that he built. Truly built a movement, and that is
(01:26):
going to continue on in his honor, in his memory,
and with renewed I truly believe renewed force and vigor
from all across the sane spectrum, not even just right
winger conservative, just all sane and decent Americans see that
there's a need here for what Charlie represented. But a
couple of things, Clay on the on the more daily
(01:48):
news side of things, or just the you know, the
other side of the news items, we're going to talk
about the National Guard in Memphis. I think that's really interesting.
I want to get into that. Something else that's struck
me for a second while this is going on. Did
you I was not aware and did not see until
this morning as I was doing our reading that the
Emmy has even happened. Did you see?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I only knew they were happening because my friend Nate Bargatzi,
the comedian, was the host, so I had seen that
he had posted that he was going to be hosting them.
I did not watch one single moment. I was traveling
to get up to New York during the Emmys, but
otherwise I would have had absolutely no idea.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I bring it up because one, it's funny how much
these awards ceremonies now, have you know? I remember when
I was growing up as a kid, like the Oscars,
for example, was absolute. Everyone watched the Oscars and you
were really rooting for a movie to win. You know,
no one pays attention to stuff anymore. But I'll tell
you the Emmy for Best Comedy Show went to Colbert,
(02:52):
the canceled Stephen Colbert Show, who ruined a dynasty, who
ruined a franchise. They gave him the award, and I
just think it goes to how out of touch, deluded
and kind of defiant in their absurd I mean, why
did he get the award because the narrative is that
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he was anti Trump and some kind of an anti
Trump hero so the fact that he was overpaid and
his ratings stunk don't matter. And that just goes though
to everything you see with their media now. They are clay.
They are unrepentantly completely detached from reality.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I have not paid attention to the Emmys since they
gave Andrew Cuomo the Special Emmy in the way of
COVID and then had to then they pulled his Special
Emmy after he was accused of sexual harassment, not for
sending everybody into the nursing homes. This did happen last
night on the Emmys, though. This is someone named Hannah
(03:52):
Einbinder or I been heard of before. Yeah, I don't
know who she is, but she won an award and
this is how she celebrated. I see it on the
cut sheet here cut three.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Finally, I just want to say, I just want to say, finally,
go birds, guys, and free Palestine.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
That's like that right right there. You know that this
is a person who has honestly, just like low IQ
low information voter, uh, the the most superficial and self
congratulatory nonsense that you could say in What's as the
birds think? By the way, is that that's egal Oh?
(04:36):
That's for the Eagles. So the first okay, like that,
we're not trying to antagonize Eagles fans here, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
But the rest of it, you know, the bleep ice
there and they got the big win over the Chiefs.
But yeah, f Ice and free Palestine. And then afterwards
she's Jewish and she said, I just think it's important
for Jewish people to speak out what in favor of
the eradication of Israel.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
There are there are a a lot of left wing Jews, unfortunately,
who are deeply critical of Israel and and are and
give aid and comfort to Israel's enemies. I don't know
what else to say. That's not a I when I
was doing Middle Eastern studies twenty years ago on campus,
there were a couple of Jewish professors who taught Middle
Eastern studies and they were rabidly anti Israel. So this
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is not a a new phenomenon that you could have
somebody that is taking that position. But yeah, I don't
even know this person is. I didn't want to spend
much time at it. For me, it was more just
the the fact that Colbert it reminds me of when
they gave the what is it the Pulitzer to was
it the Washington Post for the Russia collusion reporting?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Right?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Wasn't it the New York Times? It was one of
they all, don't.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I mean the fact that they haven't pulled those those awards,
it's just.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
What they're telling you. Who they are is the point.
The point of Colbert's show was not to be funny
and get ratings. It was hashtag resistance. They did. He
did that, they overpaid him to do it, and now
they give him awards for it. This is how the
left wing media ecosystem operations.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Oh, I mean, I think you should prepare yourself. I mean,
he's been fired by CBS, and he's fired because his
show is losing. I think they said forty million dollars
a year, prepare yourself. A left wing media organization will
pay Stephen Colbert over one hundred million dollar contract. Just
prepare yourself for To Buck's point, this is something that
(06:25):
I think the right could do a better job of.
There are lots of billionaires out there. You and I
are fortunate we've been able to make a living and
a good living doing this. There are lots of people
who struggle because they have politically unpopular opinions. I think
the left does a way better job basically protecting and
(06:46):
giving their advocates ability to make a living in media
than the right does. Would you agree with that that
like there isn't like these.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
The left takes care of their ideological warriors. They get canceled,
they get a remember Olberman, who, if you've seen on Twitter,
by the way, is completely deranged and has been for
a long time and shown us even more recently how
deranged he is. He is somebody who when he left
MSNBC or was really pushed out at MSNBC, I remember
(07:14):
he signed some preposterous deal with I think was Current
TV at the time. This is going back that time.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Al Gore owned Current TV, and that's right.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
And he never had more than a few thousand viewers
at a time, and the whole thing was but he
was making some absurd amount of money to do that.
My point is that the left takes care of their people,
left wing billionaires, left wing billionaires in this country, not
just George Soros. There's a bunch of them. There's Reid Hoffman,
there's others. They make sure that fringe and delusional voices
(07:42):
are well paid, well funded, and well distributed, and that
has a massive negative impact on our conversations nationally really
about everything. I would also just ad right now, Clay
in the background, we've got CNN here in the office
with us. Of course, Jeff Flake, he who was shouted
at over the Kavanaugh thing. Remember that Jeff Flake and
(08:04):
Gabby Giffords have written a piece together saying for an
end of political violence. Well, our side, we're actually always
opposed to political violence. We don't wait and this for
me from a lot of Democrats has a hint of
the call for ceasefire after October seventh. To it, you know,
something horrible happened. One person's responsible, maybe more, there might
(08:27):
be co conspirators, and I don't want to preclude that,
but one person we know is responsible for the act,
but for the encouragement of the ideology, for the encouragement
of the demonization. No, this is a broad left wing
Democrat problem, and that they want to do this both
sidesism drives me up the wall, and especially after what
(08:48):
just happened. Noticeplay there's no there's no accountability among people
on the left for this. There's no sense that our
rhetoric got overheated and crazy on this stuff. They just say, yeah, well,
you know what happens on both teams, and no it doesn't.
By the way, I can sit here and rattle off
all the only thing that they will point to that
has any real connection to Trump world is January sixth.
(09:10):
And the only person who was killed on January sixth
was a Trump supporter, shot in the neck when she
was unarmed. And you know, this is That's it. This
is the only thing that they can say. And I
just feel like we play We can't play into their
hands by pretending like this isn't a problem that needs
to be confronted squarely on the Democrat side of things,
(09:31):
because it is.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, and I think we can get into some interesting
discussion on the celebration of Charlie Kirk's death. I don't
know how you feel about this, but if you are
a taxpayer funded employee and you go on social media,
certainly if you're an elementary school teacher, did you see
(09:54):
the story buck about the I've got a ten year
old about the teacher.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
People calling in, by the way, who have experienced what
you're saying right now themselves, So we'll take those calls about.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
The teacher who played the assassination of Charlie Kirk in
his classroom and told the kids that Charlie Kirk deserved
to be killed. I let me believe that's pot possible.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Let me point this out. There are two pilots who
are now suspended I'm not sure if they've been fired
yet for major airlines you saw this, who also were
in the celebrating Charlie Kirk's assassination. I do not feel
safe with someone driving an airplane with two hundred people
if I know that I'm one of I do not
feel safe with a pilot who celebrates political assassination of
(10:39):
an American. And I don't think that's a strange position
to have it all. I don't want to be on
that person's plane. I don't trust their I don't think
they're psychologically fit to be at the controls of a
commercial jet.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I couldn't believe that I yes on that. Also, I
couldn't believe the number of people who were in uniform
posting videos celebrating Charlie Kirk being assassinated. I don't think
you should be able to be a police officer. I
don't think you should be able to be a member
of our military. Our taxpayer dollars are funding you, and
(11:13):
you some of these guys in uniform are celebrating Charlie
Kirk being murdered. And I've said this for a long time.
People get fired up on First Amendment in uniform at work,
you shouldn't be, in my opinion, advocating for anything politically.
This is an easy test. If I go to Walmart
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and I go through the checkout line and the person
at Walmart says, hey, here's my opinion on abortion, when
they're like checking me out for my food, No, you
should be fired.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
If I go up to McDonald's and try to get
a hamburger and the person taking the order says, you know,
meets murder, Maybe you should get a salad instead, you
should be fired right in uniform at work, no one
has the right to advocate for politics. And I don't
even see political perspective on Hey, murder is good. I
(12:10):
think you should get fired if you're at work and
you're advocating, and if your tax payer funded. It's crazy
to me the number of people who have failed the
basic test of humanity of hey, is it okay to
kill a dad if you disagree with him politically? There
are tens of millions, maybe of Americans right now who
would say yay for that. I know they would celebrate
(12:32):
if you or I got murdered. I mean that's the reality.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, it is a basic test of humanity that so many,
unfortunately on the left, are failing. And it's something we
have to understand as a country, and we have to
grapple with this. We can't just move past this. They're
calling for an ideological ceasefire after an active ideological terrorism.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. We are
working through the continued fallout of the assassination of Charlie
Kirk from Wednesday, and there are a lot of different
reactions that are pouring in. But I do think we
should play Erica Kirk's inspiring comments that she made on
(15:17):
Friday evening in case some of you miss this. This
is cut eight Erica Kirk, Charlie Kirk's widow, two young children.
Listen to this.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Evildoers responsible for my husband's assassination have no idea, but
they have done. They killed Charlie because he preached a
message of patriotism, faith and of God's merciful love. They
should all know this. If you thought that my husband's
(15:52):
mission was powerful before, you have no idea. You have
no idea what you just have unleashed across us, this
entire country, in this world. You have no idea. You
have no idea the fire that you have ignited within
this wife, The cries of this widow will echo around
(16:13):
the world like a battle cry. To everyone listening tonight
across America. The movement my husband built will not die.
It won't. I refuse to let that happen. It will
not die.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Powerful. I mean, I was watching it over the weekend,
Clay I was traveling and I watched and I actually
gave a speech on Friday night in Las Vegas, and
Erica had spoken just before I went on stage, and
every and everybody was saying, did you see Erica's speech?
I said, yeah, A lot of a lot of tears,
a lot of a lot of tears, but also just
(16:50):
people in awe of the strength, the poise, and the
power of her words given the circumstances. I mean, none
of us could even imagine what she's going through.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I thought it was powerful. I went on immediately after
and did the Sean Hannity Show on Friday, his television
show on Fox News, and I forty eight hours after
her husband dies. A super positive story that is out
there is the number of people who are starting Turning
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Point organizations, young people on campuses, on high school campuses.
I mentioned that my sons, my two oldest sons, happy
fifteenth birthday. By the way to Lincoln. Today is my
middle son's fifteenth birthday, So happy birthday, big guy, and
he and his brother and most of their school were
(17:44):
ties and suit coats in honor of Charlie Kirk. They
had a on campus meeting that they couldn't even fit
all the people in the room. I think this is
happening on campuses all over the country. I think it
is an incredibly positive reaction. Will continue to update you
on all of this, including Dan Lanning. I thought buck
(18:07):
really powerful statements, particularly when you consider that he is
Oregon's football coach, that he is dealing in a state
that is not necessarily very receptive. We'll play you some
of those cuts in a minute. And I was in Knoxville,
Tennessee over the weekend for the Georgia Tennessee game. And
the number of you out there that came up to me.
(18:30):
Was absolutely fantastic to talk about Charlie Kirk, and I
was just it was great to be out in a
public arena. And if you are going to football games,
if you are a fan of sports in general, I
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Speaker 1 (19:30):
All right, welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We're
going to talk a bit here about the unhinged and
demonic reaction to the assassination last week of our friend
Charlie Kirk. It's important that everyone understand what is going
on here and that we not push aside or sweep
this under the ruck or anything. People need to know
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what some of the nurses, some of the pilots, some
of the teachers, some of the down the list, what
they think about this, or what they're saying publicly about this.
I will point out Bill Maher on his show This
is Cut thirty and he said this to me before,
and I'll get into Clay what he's said to me,
(20:13):
because I think it goes right to this. But there
is a huge difference even in just whether someone who
is a leftist will talk to you or not if
they know you're conservative. Play thirty.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
They're the people who don't want to talk. It's my
main issue with them. And Charlie Kirk was a guy
who like he was always talking, and I talked to
him here. You know, the right wingers say what you
want about them, but they talk to you. They're not
into this leftist think that the left really has much
more of a I don't talk to you. I don't
want to deal with you. You're deplorable. I can't break
(20:49):
bread with you. Yeah, that attitude and like all the
right wingers, they don't have that attitude.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
No.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Again, I didn't vote for them, and Charlie Kirk and
I certainly don't agree on much. But he said here,
he's a human being, he's not a monster, and a
husband and a father. Yes, and I liked him. I
liked them all. They're all nice people when you meet
them in person, and they're not as crazy as they
would nobody's as crazy as they make them out to be.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
I say, Bill, when i've I did to show the
first time. I don't even know now Clay years ago,
and this is one of our first conversations backstage. He's like,
I appreciate that you come here and you say what
you say and you tell people what you think. But
you're nice to everybody. You're cordial, you're not being a jerk.
And he said, you're one of these happy warriors. I
think that's a term very well applied to Charlie Kirk.
(21:38):
Many have already said it. Happy warriors ideological were ideal warriors, right,
that's the whole point. It's supposed to be exchanging ideas.
I don't take the positions that I take, and noother
to Charlie, now to you Clay, to make anyone feel badly.
It's because we want to share the truth with other people.
I actually want them to agree with me. I don't.
(21:58):
I'd rather much rather have them say, you know what,
you've got a point, or you know what, you're right,
than to feel mocked and belittled or attacked. That's actually
not the point. I mean, that can happen sometimes because
of the way these exchanges go, but that's not the
point of the exchange. But I know you're looking at this.
I mean there is a movement now to create a
searchable database online. Yeah, for people that are celebrating, and
(22:22):
that is the appropriate word. They are celebrating the assassination
of Charlie Kirk, which is so monstrous and so disgusting.
What are you seeing about the numbers that have been
gathered so.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Far, supposedly fifty thousand names. And here's the way that
I would analyze this, fifty thousand people who have gone
on social media and celebrated the assassination. The way that
I would work through it is this. I think if
you are a public employee, I think you should be fired.
That is, when I say public employee, I mean taxpayer funded.
(22:55):
If you're a member of the military, if you are
a member of police, if you you are a member
of first responding communities firefighters. I think everyone who has
gone on social media and celebrated a political assassination should
be fired. I don't believe our taxpayer dollars should go
for that. If you are The University of Tennessee, for example,
(23:16):
just announced that they have fired a faculty member who
celebrated Charlie Kirk's assassination. If you are a teacher, I
certainly do not believe that you should be in charge
of molding young minds if you are celebrating political assassination.
When it comes to people who are employed by private companies,
I owned a company, I sold it. I would fire
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anyone at my company when I own the company who
went on social media and said in any way this
is celebratory. I think individual business owners should have that right.
I don't think certainly it should be mandated if you're
a private employee, if you did it in uniform at work,
to me, it's a no brainer. I would do it individually.
But again, if you are taxpayer funded, I think we
(24:00):
should have a pretty bright red line, and I think
the right red line should be you shouldn't celebrate. Hey,
if Rachel Maddow got assassinated, if Barack Obama had gotten assassinated,
you should be fired. If you are a military member,
if you're a police officer, I think you can easily
kind of work through this, and I don't have a
problem with that at all. Private employers, I think should
(24:22):
be able to make their own decisions.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
We'll take some calls. Here Christa in Florida with a
story that ties right into what we're talking about. Welcome Christa,
Hi clan book.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Thank you so much for taking my call. I really
appreciate it. This is it's been shocking, it's been heartbreaking.
But I just want to read you from this man's
LinkedIn page. Firefighter AMT has this material specialist chemical material.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Sorry sorry, let me let me say, can you not
share full name because look, there could be there could
be somebody having impostors. I just don't want this to
be putting people on blast without us knowing anymore. Okay,
thank you, No, absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
I will not say the name, just the credentials. Yes,
because then the most shocking part of that was this
was my children's youth ministry leader and he has you know,
he was working with my young adults.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
And what did he say, specifically.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
He celebrated one less maggot.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
On the world.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Oh my god, I just he was insulting our priest
for praying.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I mean, look, I appreciate you calling. Anyone who is
involved in children should be, in my opinion, immediately fired
from their job if they are in any way celebrating
the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
You know, thank you for calling. That's a tough thing
because it feels like such a betrayal. You've entrusted your
kids to this person for their moral development, youth minister,
and you can't understand the obvious, unbelievable and demonic moral
failure of celebrating this in any way, shape or form.
(26:23):
It's it's stunning, and we're seeing so much of this.
Uh and and I just I don't know, I Clay,
It's it has made me think that this country has
a has a darker future than and I had anticipated before.
Just because this, this has to be confronted and I
would just point out, and that's why I don't like this. Oh,
(26:45):
it's on both sides, and let's just all do dialogue.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Now.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
No, Charlie was doing dialogue. That's the point. His whole
movement was built on peaceful dialogue. And this is what happened.
And look at all these people who are celebrating this,
and now there's also this really, honestly, it's just so lame,
but this effort to say, well, conservatives are doing cancel culture. Now,
(27:08):
everyone who's saying that if any person in any job
said a particular racial slur, they would all demand the
immediate firing of that person, probably in any context whatsoever.
They all absolutely believe in people being fired from their
jobs for offending or for political reasons or whatever. But
now they're pretending like this isn't so they obviously have
(27:30):
their red lines. They're pretending like this celebrating the assassination
of a father, a husband, a young guy thirty one
years old, that's not a red line, Like you should
keep your job even after you have brought that kind
of infamy on whatever organization you work for. That's insane.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, And I also think this is where I always
try to think on precedent. And I know this is challenging,
but I don't even know who the equivalent of Charlie
Kirk would be on the left. But I've just used
the name Rachel mad Ow. Buck's right that she's not
a perfect analogy. They don't have a perfect analogy because
their arguments are bad and they don't really believe in
free speech.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
By and Wall, they are very much trying to build
up somebody on the left now as the new person
for the youth, and he's a I'm not gonna say
his name on the show. He's a very bad person.
He's just a bad human being, so I don't want to.
But there's someone on the left that there and wrote
an op ed for the New York Times, as I
understand that about this issue is a I could play
clips on this show. The fact that the New York
(28:28):
Times would give that guy, well, the New York Times
is a disgrace too. But it's interesting to me because
our Charlie was a good and decent human being, just
completely without getting into his politics. And the left, of course,
the person that they want to build up is an
outright scumbag. Outright scumbag, just to anyone who's curious knows
he does understand. This guy does understand internet culture and
(28:51):
online video games. That I will say, but that's about it.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Well, let's use Rachel Maddow as an example, or this
unnamed guy. I also think if they were a set
fascinated at a free speech event and you went on
and you celebrated that as a teacher, as a faculty
member at a university, as a first responder, as anyone
who's employed by tax payers, I think you should be
fired for that too. So I think you can easily
(29:16):
to me setting the precedent of where is the line
that we draw? And again, I think private employers should
be able to make their own decisions. I would have
the same standard both directions. I would fire someone when
I ran my own company, and I have expansive First
Amendment beliefs.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
But people don't under celebrate death. So is the standard
that the left thinks that we're all supposed to live by,
that you can say absolutely anything and I mean anything
and keep your job. Of course, they wanted people to
get fired for using the wrong pronouns of Yes, these
are the people that now all of a sudden, are
free speech absolutists. The First Amendment means that the government
(29:55):
can't take action against you for what you say. It
doesn't mean that your private employer has to keep you
employed no matter what you do, no matter what you
say in public. That's not what it means.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
So I know that's why to me, I mean again,
you break it down. I think in times of emotion
it's challenging. But there is a standard for basic humanity.
And if you celebrate the murder of dads and moms
for sharing their political opinions, in my opinion, you have
failed the basic standard of humanity. If you fail the
(30:25):
basic standard of humanity, I don't want you employed at
my company. I don't want you instructing my children. If
you are taxpayer funded, then I think you if you
fail the basic standard of humanity, you shouldn't be taxpayer
funded anymore. Now. Individual owners of businesses, I think they
should have the right to decide who they employ and not.
(30:46):
But this is not a tough call to me. We
can debate sometimes gray areas of Hey, what is an
acceptable speech? What's not sharing assassination? You should get fired.
In my always opinion, this is not a tough call.
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Speaker 2 (32:29):
Welcome back in Play Travis Buck Sexton show. Tons of
you weighing in, not surprisingly on a variety of different topics. Buck,
you want to punch some of these up. Let's say,
by the way, Senator Marsha Blackburn going to join us
about the Memphis National Guard call out top of the
next hour. What we got Buck? Uh?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Sandy in Memphis? Uh, let's take her call? What's going on? Sandy?
Speaker 7 (32:51):
Hi? Guys love your show. Not sure if y'all mention
this or not, but Harvey Levin is the TMZ guy
and he's he was on air when on Charlie Kirk's
death was announced and in the background where all his
people he employed, and they were literally cheering and laughing
and cheering, and.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
So Sandy, can I jump in just because I did
watch this video. I just want to point something out,
and I'm not saying that that I agree, or rather
that I think this is true or not. They came
on air and said, oh, the cheering you heard wasn't
for that. It was for a car chase going on nearby.
I find that, I know, very convenient under the circumstances.
(33:33):
I'll say that, but I just want to be clear.
They did try to claim right away that those were
not related.
Speaker 7 (33:39):
Okay, I'm glad you said that, because I didn't know.
Hair Harvey or whatever his name is, did put on
a statement, but the statement I saw said we were
not laughing at that, But he never followed up with
like a normal.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Person would say, I mean, Clay, did you did you
see this?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I saw both, I mean first of them, and Harvey
wasn't laughing at it, but there was there was laughter
in the background, or not laughter, cheering in the background.
But they in the moment, within a few seconds, said
I just want to be clear, that's we're covering an
unrelated issue a car chase right now. So I mean,
I just want to be fair that they they didn't
say that an hour later. They said that like five
(34:15):
seconds after you heard the cheering or you know, the
cheering going on.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
I think that's look I want to It was quick
enough that I think it maybe was true, is what
I'm saying. I want to make sure we focus on
people that are intentionally cheering for murders to take place,
and there are tens of thousands of them on social
media who want their opinions to be to be shared.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I mean, you know, I think given the speed of
the of the that wasn't for the Charlie situation, and
it was said right then, you know, I think you
give them a little I think they maybe deserve the
benefit of the doubt. I don't really know TMZ very well.
I just know it's kind of tabloid stuff. Yeah, I
can't really speak to like, I don't know Harvey, I
don't know what they're like, and that, you know, if
it had been some other organizations out there, I'd be like, well,
(35:00):
it's definitely a lie.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
So yeah, I also think remember the standard here is
very lenient. Don't celebrate a murder in public. You could
still we can't see into people's hearts. You could still
be happy that it happened. All we're saying is you
(35:22):
And by the way, I'm not defending that that's still
a failure of your own humanity. It's a next level
step to say I want the entire public to be
aware that I'm happy a dad got assassinated for his
political belief.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
That video that you and I have both seen is
one of the worst things I've ever seen in my
entire life. And I've seen a lot of horrible things
because of the work that I used to do. That's
one of the worst things I've ever seen in my life.
I mean, I can't think of something that is more
soul crushing and grotesque than the video of what happened
to Charlie up there. So how could that not hit
someone you know, right in their soul? How could they
(35:57):
not understand right away like this is the most base
He's a human thing. I'm I'm appalled when I I'm
appalled by what is going on with these tens of
thousands of people celebrating.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
When I talked with my sons about the Charlie Kirk assassination,
and my two oldest boys were big fans of Charlie Kirk.
They watched his videos. They're active on TikTok and YouTube,
and they circulated and were influential there to such an
extent that many of our young men in particular have
seen these videos. One of my boys said, Dad, do
(36:33):
you think Charlie Kirk's kids are going to grow up
and one day watch the video of their dad getting assassined?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I hope not. I don't think there's any reason for
them to ever see it. And I hope nobody ever,
you know, crosses that line.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
That Jack question just hit me right in the solar plexus.
I just I couldn't because I was seeing it through
their eyes and thinking about the dad that those kids
will never know, and that video being out there is
it's just brutal, frankly, to brutal to think about. When
(37:07):
we come back, we'll talk with Senator Marsha Blackburn of
Tennessee about the National Guard being called out in Memphis,
what she thinks should happen. And we just mentioned the
University of Tennessee. A lot of different universities are dealing
with this. Faculty members. University of Tennessee just fired a
celebratory faculty member. We'll talk about that in more
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