Ep. 155 - Everything Bandon Dunes w/ Joel Klatt - The Clubhouse with Shane Bacon

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon, a production of
My Heart Radio Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon.
I am your host, Shane Bacon, and let me just say,
if you're not the person that loves Bannon Dunes, first,
I don't know if I want to be pals with you.
In second, probably not the podcast for you, because this

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is a deep, a lengthy chat with my good friend
Joel clad about our trip to band and we talked
a lot about the new Sheep Ranch golf course, but
we loved about it. We dove into some real questions
as well. Is a it's a media episode, but I
think you'll enjoy it, especially if you have plans or
hopes of getting to Bannon Dunes at some point. Hopefully,
uh these questions will be answered before you listen, after

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you listen whenever. If you go to my website Shane
Bacon golf dot com, I posted a blog earlier this
year kind of on everything you need to know about
Bannon Dunes. I will be updating this for Friday, so
after you listen to this, I will have this updated
Friday morning with Sheep Ranch information as well. Some of
that I talked about on the podcast, but I'll try
to get everything in there you might need for that,

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and just to put it in there with all the
other stuff I posted earlier in the year, and I
got to some reader questions with Clatt, but I had
a few that I didn't need Joel on. These were
questions that are a little bit more logistical, and so
I just wanted to knock those out right now quickly
before we get to the full length conversation about our
band and trip and and some pointers and some tips there.
What I did was all of these questions, I reached

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out to my buddy Michael Chepka at at Bandon Dunes,
who's worked there for a number of years, and just
so people know, I believe hopefully this is still right.
I think he's the only non caddy to ever win
the Bandon Cup. So if you're ever on property and
you see Chepka and he asked to play, I would
just give you a quick suggestion play for minimal amounts

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of money, because he's really really good at golf. But
here's some questions that I got that are just more logistical,
and I'll run through them really quick so we get
to clad. Uh, somebody asked, uh, I don't have any names. Sorry.
How difficult is it to design the exact that tinorary
you want? How far in advance? Answer? What you need
to start booking? Chaka setta. It depends upon the group size.
If you're coming with twelve people playing a book a
year out, a full year out. But if it's a

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smaller group with a little flexibility, I would do it
probably the same year. So you know, let's say you're
gonna go in August, maybe get on at February March
and you should be good. But if you've got a big,
big group, at least a year out to make sure
you can get all the golf courses you want. Next question,
what's the best non peaked time to go? I thought
this is a great question, got it from a few

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different people. Chepka says he's always and he's lived out
there for a number of years. Said, I've always enjoyed
April and May. The rates are still a little less
than the summer season, the weather becomes more predictable, and
the courses are always in great shape at that time.
I've been in April and May. Couldn't agree with the
more you know, I win, Hey, Listen, you're rolling the
die and in the off you're rolling the dice in
the off season in terms of what you're gonna get.

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But I've been out there in November and had one
day of rain and everything else is fine. So it's
really just you know what mother and nature gonna throw
at you, and you just have to deal with it
and make sure you have good rain gear. Don't bring
an umbrella either. I don't mention that in the guests,
but it's a ways no caddy's gonna carry it. It's
gonna unfold upwards and be done twelve minutes into you
being on the golf course. Uh. And the last thing. Uh.
The last question was caddy options. Twelve guys going in August.

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Some are more on a budget, two are only playing
eighteen per day, others are playing thirty six. How flexible
with the caddies on their scheduling And basically Cheka said,
give as much information as you have to the caddy
department when you start to book them, and they'll tailor
the right caddy for that particular request and they'll do
their best to do that. There's some older caddies that

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that only want to go one loop of day, and
there's some young guys, some guys that I've had that
if you need help on getting a caddy, just reach
out to me on social and I'll point you in
the direction. Because they're so fantastic. They'll want to go
thirty six maybe double looping. So just don't be shy
on information to the caddy department and they will help
you out. They do. They I've done this before. I've
reached out to the department and just told them the

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type of guys I'm bringing, the type of golfers I'm bringing,
and they nail it. It's actually kind of crazy. It's
like almost like a dating service in terms of personality
at handicap, what they want, what they don't want, and
then they'll they'll find a caddy. They've got such great
caddies in that caddy ared there so and last one,
a lot of people asked about how much to pay
the caddies. It's a hundred bucks plus gratuity. I would say,

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you know, you want to start at one twenty and
go up. I mean I would say one twenty twenty
bucks as a tip is your base number. And then
depending on if they were good, if they were great,
if they were excellent. Just keep moving up from there.
But that would be a fair number, and that is
per round and per bag. So a hundred is the
is the baseline, and then I would say there is fair. Okay,
those are logistic questions. Let's get to clap and we

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welcome back into the clubhouse. Joel Clatt. Joel called me,
Was it yesterday when you called me and said that
you you miss banned more than you feel like you should.
We we just we were just there like five days ago.
Was that was that? Was that yesterday? You called? That
was yesterday? And I, you know, father to father, I
think it's okay to say that and so to admit

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that at times because and then is that special played? So? Um,
you know, I've I've been lucky enough to go to
Bannon a few times, obviously being in the golf media.
I've I've been invited on trips there and I've got
a chance to go there. I went, I went there
from my bachelor party. You had only been. And for
people that don't know Joel clad of course, uh lead
Analystic call it for college football for Fox. You can

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follow him on social media because he loves social media
so much. Are you at Joel Clatt, is that what
you are? I'm at Joel Clad. You can follow me
that big social media fan, loves everything about it and
make sure to send the messages. He he just loves everything,
always on it. And uh And Joel is a golf freak.
I mean, he's been a part of the golf the
Fox Golf coverage for a long time. And uh and

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his handicap continues to go lower and lower and lower
and lower lower. And I keep getting text of these
numbers that he's shooting that a lot of the numbers
start with a six, which is pretty impressive stuff. Uh.
And Clad, You've you've been to ban In a couple
of times for things, but you've never had a chance
to really experience Bannon on what we would consider a
guy's a or a golfer trip to ban and doing

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this was kind of the first time. Yeah, every time
I had been, I had gone up to this amazing
event and it's it's Joey Harrington does this Jerry golf
tournament up there. Um and he raises money for his
foundation and I would go up and be a part
of it because he takes two former players from every
pack twelve school and pairs us up with leaders in
the community. We do this whole thing and it's and

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it's very fun, but it's not the traditional band and trip.
You know. It's only one round a day and there's
an event at night and so on and so forth.
So I had never really gone and experienced the Hey,
let's play a thousand holes, you know, in two days
or something like that. And I was so excited to
do that UM and we were able to do it,

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and and just to play every course on one trip
up there like that was to me like the most
fun because I was able to really compare them and
I didn't have to say, well, last year I played
you know, Pacific. Now I get to play um Trails
and and let me try to compare them, and it's
just like day to day. Got to compare them and

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and really figure out which ones I liked and which
one's candidly I didn't love. Well, it was it was you,
it was me. It was my good buddy Andrew and
my good buddy Brady who lives up in Omaha. Andrew
lives here in Arizona with me, and and they've both
been a couple of times as well. Our our itinerary
was fairly packed. I'll just run people through it. We
got in Sunday, played a five pm Is that about

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right around the dude? It was. It was it was
like four pm that we got out. Yeah. We we
arrived at the Eugene airport. Didn't have any rental cars.
They had no this is traveling during COVID that and
we just kind of sat there until they brought one over.
Luckily they had one big enough to store four people's
bags and golf clubs. I was a little nervous that
they were gonna come out with a camry and and

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lucky for us they had they had a big suv.
But we played Bannon basically until eight or nine pm.
It was lovely and I mean couldn't It was a
lovely day. And you can't finish on a better final
three stretch of holes. I don't think of Bannon Dunes.
Next morning, bright and early, woke up. Was that the
Pacific Sheep Ranch day. Is that right? That's right? Yeah,
we did Pacific in the morning. Then we got a

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chance to play Sheep Ranch, which will dive into and
then we did the Sheep Ranch afternoon. Dive right back
into Sheep Ranch in the morning. We we added a
preserve round that afternoon because we hadn't played enough golf obviously,
had a preserve round after the Sheep Ranch that next morning,
and and then rolled that into another round in the
afternoon about Bannon Dunes. And then the last day to

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check all the golf courses, we did Old Mac in
the morning and our trip ended on Bannon Trails. And so, yeah,
it was a lot of golf. I mean, it was
a ton of golf, kind of packed in three or
four days. That's what the Banning experience is really. It's
like you said, you wake up and you play, and
you go to bed basically in your golf shoes. Yeah.
And and what I loved about it as well is
is we were able to and I think this will

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be good for people to hear. We got every element.
You know. We played a little in the rain, we
played a little in the wind. We played when it
was like dead calm, which is probably the rarest of
them all. So you know, we got to experience kind
of the full game of being abandoned, playing in the elements,
walking and and having a great time. And we played

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every single hole in the entire property and some of
them twice. So it was, I mean, it was. It
was as fun of a trip as I can ever
remember having. And and I gotta tell you, like, for
those that love golf, I think that I'm probably jumping
way ahead here of what you want to talk about,
but they're at times is no more fun than can

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be had than just going out with buddies to the
preserve and just playing the Part three. I mean, that
was as fun as I've had in a long time. Yeah,
you know, I mean I always say it, you know,
I get a lot. We'll we'll get to some questions.
We have some some listener questions a little bit later,
and we'll get to some and we'll touch on this
a little bit more when we get there. But you know,
I mean I've played some really awesome Part three golf courses.

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I still don't I haven't found one that's even close
to Bannon Preserve. It's just unbelievable. You you were on
the second te which you know it's all Part three,
thirteen holes, You're on the second tea at Bandon Preserve
and you look at me and you went, wouldn't this
be the best Part three on any golf course here?
If it wasn't a big course and you're like, yes,
that's what this place is is some of these holes

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are just you can't believe that it's a part of
a part three course. Not to take anything away from
from you know, a short golf course. Here's what I said.
I thought after playing the Preserve a couple of times,
if you go through it, I think that there are
eight or nine of the part of the thirteen holes
that would be the best part three on the course

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of all the courses. And that's even including you know, listen,
I know a lettin on Pacific is like an amazing hole,
and and what is it? Twelve on Bandon is an
amazing hole, and so on and so forth. Right, like
there's some great part three, there's eight part threes in
the Preserve that are incredible holes, like incredible golf holes.

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And you stand there on the tea and you're like,
you know, for a yard whole, this is about as
good as you can possibly get, and you can hit
four different shots to it that. That's what I always
find so cool is you have five clubs in your
bag and you could hit as you said on maybe
on number three on the Preserve, you know which could

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play sixty two probably yards you could really hit basically
up to a pitching wedge, depending on the wind and
depending on how hard you want to swing. That's That's
one thing I love about those those mixed in preserve
rounds is I feel like it allows you and your
golf game to relax. I mean, you and I are
both competitive. You and I both get up, we get
down on the golf course. I feel like it's hard.

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It's it's hard to get out of that middling area
when you're on preserve because you're having so much fun.
I don't know what you're talking about. I only punted
my driver one time on the trip eighteen team Bannon
Dunes that afternoon. You know what I gotta say. I
know you're a quarterback. I know you're a former quarterback
because it wasn't the best kick I've ever seen. I've
seen much deeper driver kicks, that's for sure. I'm clad.

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I want to I want to get into because I
know people listening are gonna want to hear about Sheep Ranch.
So I want to dive into if you will, Sheep Ranch.
I mean, I've so my bachelor party was in I
want to say, we win in November, and that was
my first time experience in the old Sheep Ranch. That's
when you would basically you got a phone number from

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somebody that knew somebody, you called it, you reserved the
golf course of basically, and it was I think it
was like a hundred dollars a guy or dollars a guy.
You wrote one check, handed it to the guy that
unlocked the gate, and then they let you in and
it was your golf course for the day. I've had
a chance to kind of see Cheap Ranch over the
last three or four or five years, moved from that

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to what it is now, and it was really fun
to get a chance to play it twice. And we
got a chance to play it in the afternoon and
in the morning. I would say, first things first, the
first hole is not just the best first hole on property.
But I'm telling you, Claid, you and I talked about
it plenty of times during the trip. It's one of
the better first holes I played in my lifetime. And

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I mean that's a pretty big compliment. I I don't
think that there's any question about that. If you just
put it anywhere in America, same exact hole it's a
phenomenal golf hole, right, It's just it's and it's and
it's very I would say, I don't know traditional core
cringe shaw. Maybe it's just the core cringe jaw that
I've played. But it's like when they build a course,

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they love to give you that, like, really, it's not
a soft par five. It's it can be demanding, but
it's just a really nice par five, right, And it's
a it's a great shape. But then you've take into consideration.
Now where you're at on the clubhouse at Sheep Ranch
is kind of up on top of the property and

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you can see the ocean, but it's like across the
entire course, and then when you get on the first
te you actually don't see the ocean. You know, there's
some trees left, and then there's like off property right
and it's beautiful like tall grasses and native grasses on
each side, and you can just tell like, hey, this
is a really big, sweeping right to left par five.

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And once I reach that ridge which is the horizon,
you know, I know it's gonna go down, and then
the caddy is like, yeah, it's gonna go down to
the left, and you're like, okay, great, and you hit
your t shot and let's be let's face it, it's
somewhat of a nondescriptive first tea ball. But then you
start walking right and it's listen, when you're with a
caddy in any course and you're walking, like walking off

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of the first tea with a caddy, it's just like
it's exciting. You don't have your bag, you're walking. It's
it's so great. And you start walking and then Shane,
you get about a hundred yards off the tea box
and the horizon, like the hole starts to reveal itself,
and really even like the rest of the course starts

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to reveal itself over the horizon, and then the ocean
reveals itself, and it's like, oh my gosh, and there's
that more meant like it's it's probably about a hundred
yards before you hit your ball, you know, and you
get to your actual ball and you just walk in it.
I just kept thinking to myself of like the sunbeams
shining down and it's like that, oh, and it's just like,

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is this huge reveal That might be my favorite walk
in golf that I've ever taken so far? I thought
It was an incredible and it gets lost because we
had that entire trip. Right when we talk about a
favorite hole, favorite this that if I think back just
opening holes in golf, that walk first t to your

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t ball number one a sheep ranch is as good
of a walk as there is in golf. Well, what's
interesting about Banndon as a whole? When you really look
at the golf courses when you go through I'm gonna
call on the original four. When you go through the
original four big courses, all the first holes are pretty whatever.
I mean, they're they're they're not they're not blowing you away.

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I mean, first a bannon is you know, if you
know if you hit it, you know, if your drift
two fifty plus, you're hitting less than driver my favorite
term in golf, less than driver off that tea because
you don't want to get into those bunkers. You know,
Pacific's a tough first hole, but it's not overly long.
I mean, you still can hit an iron on that
te you know, trails first hole, Pacific, you're not. We'll
get we will get to Pacific. We will get to

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Pacific and you can you can lay out all of
your points there but you know, I mean again, it's
not it's not an overly tough hole. Maybe the easiest
first hole on properties Old Mac and then Trails, which
I want to touch on how you played the first
whole Abandoned Trails, which is a little bit different than
how most will. It's again it's it's mostly iron off
the t you know, nine iron wedge into the green
and then you're off. So this what's cool about the

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Sheep Ranch opening hole is I feel like it's so
different than the other four on property. The other four
all part four's I would bet you they're all probably
right around four hundred yards. And you get this opening
part five where you can make a birdie, and like
you said, you get this walk up and then this
reveal after and then you kind of see the whole
golf courses. You're walking up to the green, yeah, and

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you know I thought it was And then it's on
the far right side of the property, and so you
walk up and there's this amazing like house over and
you start to revere. You know, notice yourself. I think
every golfer that goes to play there, it's gonna walk
up and be like, you know, I wish I could
buy that place because the house is right on the cliff.

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We're gonna take a quick break and be right back, Okay,
So I just want to get your thoughts on Sheep Ranch.
Just you know, one through eighteen experience of the golf

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course didn't remind you of any place you played? Would
you love about it? I just wanted to kind of
have you walk us through consider him got to play
it twice? What you thought of the golf course? Yeah, okay, So, um,
first off, I had no prior knowledge. I had never
been to Sheep Ranch out there, so I didn't know
what you know, what you have to prior experience there
when it was the old Sheep Branch, I didn't. So

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I was just excited to go out and play. Um
and then the other thing. And I hate prefaces, but
I'm gonna preface everything that I say. I love core
Crunshaw right like I just I'm a huge fan of
of the minimalist design. Minimal dirt moving, allow the holes
to kind of reveal themselves, how the natural flow of
the land goes. I feel like they give you opportunities
to make birdies, they give you really difficult part fours.

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I think that the staple. You know, usually one on
the front, one on the back. You're gonna get really
difficult part vour into the prevailing wind whatever direction that is.
So like, I'm just a big fan of core Crunshaw.
So I immediately just like bamn, I walked that first
hole and I'm like, I love this. I love of course.
I think I even said it to you on the
second tea box. I was like, this is one of

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my favorites, Like, I love it. And I played one hole, um,
and as the round kind of unfolded, that never really changed.
You know. I loved the mixture of difficult Part three's
short Part three ease. They had the kind of the
double green that is has become so in vogue in
golf that you know that there is also on the

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preserve um. And again I just I love the minimalism
of them, allowing the fairways to move with the natural
flow of the ground. I loved how it goes back
into the trees. Um. You know, I thought that the
greens were generous and yet difficult, partly because they're brand new,
so they were a little slow. But that's I mean,
that's just conditions wise. The actual course. I just I

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absolutely loved it. I loved almost every hole. And then
the last aspect I would touch on Shane is that
I loved the fact that you kept touching the ocean right,
and I think that was one of their main goals.
I mean, it's been well chronicled. You talked about it,
like Michael Kaiser said, Hey, I want to utilize the
ocean more on the Sheep Ranch than I have on

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the other courses, and they did that. You touch it
on one green, then you go back and you play too,
and then you kind of go back on on three
green and you're such in the ocean again, and then
you go back on four and then you just constantly
come back, and whether it's the front nine or the
back nine, there's not just here's the stretch on the
ocean and then here's the rest of the rest of
the course. It's constantly kind of going back and touching

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on it. You finish on it, then you know, the
eight teams back to the clubhouse. So like, I love
that aspect because I thought that the ocean on that
part of the property is the most beautiful because of
those rocks right in the water, and so keeping you know,
coming back to that all the time made the round
just incredibly special. So it's it's something that you know,

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one thing I I see and I actually yell at
people about this because I think at times the ocean
and the idea of the ocean at golf facilities like
Bandon almost gets overplayed a little bit. But when you
play Sheep Ranch and you mentioned it, you know Mr
Kaiser saying that, like the fourth hole Pacific and I
mentioned this on Get a Grip this week, but the

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fourth hole Pacific is one of the better part four
as you'll ever play in your entire life. But it
runs along the ocean. So when you get off of four,
you really don't get back to the ocean until ten green,
you know, eleven t I mean, that's that's a pretty
long wait, right for people that are that love the
ocean pictures and that want to take videos and want
to put everything on Instagram. You know, you kind of

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go back into the land and you don't get back
to the ocean till eleven, and then you get on thirteen,
and then after thirteen and Pacific and we're talking about,
you know, one of the best public golf courses on
the planet. After thirteen, you're kind of done with it, right.
I mean, that's kind of the end of your ocean experience.
What's cool about Sheep is, like you said, you'll leave
the ocean for a hole or two, and you're right

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back there, and it goes back and forth and back
and forth. One thing that I that was different for
the in the routing that I noticed that I thought
was going to be the case, and I wasn't nervous
about it, but I just didn't know how it was
gonna work. I was under the impression that it was
gonna be a little bit like an in and out
golf course where it was green here and the tea
was next to it, and it went out and it

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came back, and it went out and it came back.
And that is absolutely not the case. It mixes around
and it moves around. I mean, eleven is a part
five that's not on the ocean at all, and it
was one of our favorite holes we played on the
entire trip. So there are some unbelievable quote unquote inland holes.
I mean, you're inland a hundred and fifty yards from
the ocean, but there are some great inland holes on
Sheep Ranch mixed with all of those greens and all

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those teams on the ocean. And what's cool is, you
know the pictures you take on Bandon, you know, when
you play sixteen, or on four at Pacific, or on
Old Mac when you play six or you know, fifteen,
all of those pictures you take because they're right on
the ocean, you get what six of those seven of
those you get a drive going both ways. It's crazy. Yeah.

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Two other aspects that I absolutely loved about Sheep Ranch
And you're really good about remembering the actual specific hole.
I want to say it was six, but you know
you don't have to correct me on this. The hole
that you hit directly over the cliff, yep six, Okay,
So you don't get that anywhere else, Like you don't

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get that on Pacific, right Pacific or any of the
other ones. You know, you're hitting along the ocean, but
you don't get like you te off and because of
the curve of the hole, you're flat hitting it right
over the cliff, you know. And it's even way different
than sixteen Abandoned And I loved it right like it
was the most memorable t shot, not of my execution,

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but just of the scenery. I love that. And then
the last thing I would say is because of the
nature of the routing and and going back to the
ocean and doing you know, kind of all of that,
when the wind did pick up, and it's you know,
and it's as you guys know, it doesn't swirl abandoned generally,
it's just like it's coming from one direction and it's

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coming well. I mean, that's just how it is. The holes.
You don't get that like browbeat. For four straight holes
dead into the fan, you're constantly it's like, okay, one
end of the fan. Now you're back and your your
cross or you're down and you're kind of back and forth.
So the wind at cheap doesn't it's it's not that

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it's weaker, it just doesn't feel like as big of
a browbeat as some of the other courses because it's
not you know, you're not hitting like for instance, we
played about in about thirty miles an hour on trails
dead into the wind for the last four holes, and
it was just like I was about to bring this up.
I'm glad you brought it up. That was exactly what
popped in my head. I was like, the last four

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holes walking into that wind at trails you're just thinking.
I mean, if I make if I bogee in, I'm
playing great. You know, I'm playing great. If I don't
lose a golf ball, I'm playing phenomenal golf, right Like,
That's all I have to say. And that sheep, I
never felt like that, right like, because of the routing
is just so so much different. At most for two holes,

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your go one direction at most, and then you'll kind
of flip and and go a different direction. So I
really like that aspect of it as well. Yeah, cup
things on sheet before we move on. One is it
has its own driving range. We didn't know this before
all round, so we didn't get to warm up. It
would have been would have been lovely to know that.
So if you're going anytime soon, there's it's and it's
a beautiful driving range just to the north, so just

(25:14):
to the right of the first hole, and you can walk.
You can leave your bag on the first tea walk
over there with three clubs and warm up a little
bit if you'd like. Again, I didn't get a chance
to do that, so we can blame all our first
swings on that. The clubhouse is there already, I mean
it's wonderful, and it's got a restaurant there that has
breakfast and all that. If you want to snag something early,
if you've got an early tea time, I would say, Clatt,

(25:35):
I think you and I agreed on this that Sheep
Ranch is the easiest golf course in terms of playability
and scoring on property. I will only say to that
we got it in fairly benign wins. And I know
that they say locals say that it blows a little
harder north than it does south, so Sheep is gonna

(25:56):
get more wind than you're gonna get on Pacific or Band,
and I know they're not far off, but Old Mac
normally is more windy there than you're gonna get a Pacific.
So when it blows, you're gonna be very happy that
the golf course is a little bit easier, because I mean,
we even got it on. So I believe it's twelve.
Eleven is at Part five, twelves along Part four and
another cool little core Crunshall routing. Thing twelve is a

(26:17):
long Part four and thirteen goes the complete opposite direction,
and it's a part five. They're very similar distances, maybe
thirty yards longer for the par five. But if it's
into you one way, it's gonna be down the next.
And so I know, my friend Nanny Johnson always loves
to say, you know, pars irrelevant. It's really irrelevant on
that stretch because you can go five four four five,

(26:38):
I mean no when you might could go three three
if you do something crazy, and that is I think
touching on a little of what you're talking about that
you've got, you get a lot of chances to make
up shots next toll, next toll, next toll, next tea,
because it changes so much. Well let's just put it
this way. On the par four twelve, I went driver
into the fairway to iron sand wedge, had to make

(27:04):
made part flipped around driver five iron just off the
green to the part five. You know, So it's like
it's just but that's I mean, that's what makes the
golf so fun. That's what makes it so special. Last
thing on sheep and I know, um and then we'll
move on. I thought it was the best shop, great shop.

(27:25):
I thought it was a great shop. Not not that
there was a ton of stuff, it just had all
the brands that I love, right like it had the
Grayson shirts it had the good Peter Millar pullovers, like,
it had the hats that I really like, so like
for me, the brands that I like to buy, the
the Peter Millar tour fit shirts, you know, like it

(27:48):
was they were all there, and some of the other
shops didn't have those brands, so I thought it was
the best shot. I was going to ask you to
do your rankings of the courses, because again, this is
kind of the first time you've had a chance to
at least sit down and do a ranking. And of
course we're including including Sheep. I believe we did these.
We we finalize these sitting to the pizza place in Eugene.

(28:09):
But I'd like to hear your five again. Yes, um,
my favorite is banned in Trails um number two and
so like so close behind it is Banned and Dunes.
Very close behind that is Sheep Ranch, then Old Mac,
then Pacific, and if I could put the Preserve in there,

(28:32):
it would be just behind Sheep Ranch. So we're close.
I've I've mine and again, if you've gone to Bannon
a couple of times, I know the the rankings always change.
Trails always gonna be number one for me. Bannon Dunes
is number two. I've got Sheep at three. If Preserve
was in the conversation of this, Preserve would be three
for me. I really do think it's one of my
favorite golf courses to play in the world, even though

(28:54):
it's just a part three. So I go Sheep three,
and then I just flipped the next two and we're
basically saying Pacific pick four in Old Mac five. And
I always hate doing this because that seems like you
don't like the fifth golf course. That's not the case.
I love Old Mac. I I fall in love with
Old Mac every time I play it. It's just you know,
when you when you're ranking five things, something's gonna be fit.
That's how that works. Sure, I'm I'm with you outside

(29:18):
of the fact that i'm you say you love Old
Mac and ats fifth. Pacific is fifth for me. Don't
love it. I know you don't love it, but I
don't love it. Yeah, It's it's funny. I've got a
group of guys, you know you Andrew Brady, it's my
buddy Ash, and I've got a few friends of mine
and we all have this Pacific thing and we gotta

(29:38):
yelled at all the time. From it. I had I
had a we've got questions, questions we'll get to. I
had to somebody ask, you know, if you're gonna leave
a golf course off or two off on a trip,
what would you do. There's like four responses that said,
you gotta play Pack twice, you gotta play Pack twice.
I'm like, man, they're not gonna like our answers on
this podcast because that is a complete opposite of what
you and I think. Though. Uh, it's just it's listen,

(29:59):
it's an I mean, we all know it's an unbelieable
golf course. I think it at times it's a little
more demanding, which is fair. And uh, and I feel
like there are stretches on Pack that you and I
I would say, kind of fall asleep a little bit on.
And you know, that's just that's that's part of loving
and not loving golf courses, you know, part of why

(30:21):
my rankings are the way they are with Banndon lies
in my praise for Core, crunch Shaw and Sheep Ranch,
the minimalist design. I'm just a fan of that, right
Like I love Oakmont, I love National Golf Links of America.
I love you know, pebble shinnecock and the I mean

(30:43):
these are kind of like people are probably like rolling
their eyes. Well of course, but but by value I
love I'm a big august I've never played, but if
you can imagine it was I love the old golf
course because they couldn't move the earth back right like

(31:03):
part of I'm not a Pete Die fan, and and
I think that dope is a little bit like that,
so you know, he there's just a lot of things.
For instance, if I hit a ball perfectly on the
line that is intended by the designer, that should never

(31:23):
be penalized in my estimation, okay, um in particular artificially,
if it just happens to be that way, Everyone's like,
well you would hate Scotland golf. I'm like no, because
of course has been there for tun years, right, like
then that's just what it is. But if it's artificially
humped and bumped to where you hit a perfect p

(31:43):
ball line that's intended, club that's intended, and you get
up there and it is the biggest hanging downhill lie
that you can't even advance, you know, it's like, well,
what am I supposed to do with this? Am I
supposed to have degree with this. That's not my favorite
type of dolf. Some people might say, like, hey, that's golf,
suck it up, you suck, which is fine, um, but

(32:07):
but that's why, Like, that's why I love core Crunch,
I love Trails, I love Sheep Ranch because I feel
like they were reward quality golf shots, whereas you can
get artificially penalized by dope at times. You hit driver
on one at Bannon Trails, can you can? You can? You?
First of all, we we were playing so so we

(32:28):
had a Clatt and I similar handicaps. We had Andrew
and Brady were similar handicaps, so it actually worked out
pretty well. But what Brady was playing such great golf
that he was getting between seven and ten shots around.
He shot a legit, legit seventy four from the back
teas at Old Mac. He would have beat all three

(32:49):
of us at best ball if we had played him clad.
I'm that's how well he played. So that was the
morning Brady beats us all best ball. I happened to
be as partner of that round, which was amazing. But
we went back from the scorecard change. You shot seventy two,
I shot seventy three. He shoots seventy four, and he
would have beat the three of us one up. But

(33:11):
it's unbelievable, unbelievable golf that he played. So that afternoon,
you and I, as as the lower handicapps are just like, okay,
you know, like we'll play against you and and let's
get after it. So then we get on the first
team and it's starting to hum a little bit. It's
like and it's dead down wind, and so basically it's
like a seven iron out to the fairway and everybody hits. Shane,

(33:34):
you even hit yours just out there in the fairway,
and then you looked at me. You're like, hey, you know,
you get two off the first Like, hey, why don't
you hit it? You know, we we've been we've been
playing the whole week. We said, you know what I
mean this is we're here for fun. There's no reason
to grind as as we always do it. Bannon, we
talked about going to the driving range. We never do.
Somebody's ever worm on the first team. That is a
little tip for Bannon is if you're going to spend

(33:56):
time on the driving range, I mean, God love you,
I'm not gonna do it. I mean, there's only so
many golf swings I have in me anymore, and I'm
not gonna waste him on the rains when we're playing
forty nine holes of the day. But we were giving
people first tea and you're you pull iron out and
I look at you. I went, hell, just hit driver.
I mean you know what I mean if you hit
it in the high stuff, you just hit an iron
out there and you've been hit your driver. Great, I

(34:17):
mean you hit it pretty straight, hit it right at
the green. So I hit it and it was just
left of the green, and everyone looks at each other.
They rolled their eyes and they're like, well, we'll see
you know. And Andrew did not. He did not like
him very much. No, he didn't. He started throwing a
bit of a fit about it because, let's face it,

(34:38):
he had lost money in every round that we played.
Um so that was a little a little rough for Andrew.
Um So he was salty. This is the last round
of our entire trip. And I drove the green, but
it ended up being like just left of the green
and kind of a bush, so I I had to like,

(35:00):
I had an awkward second shot, but it was. Nonetheless,
it was up there by the green. Caddie speak is
our favorite thing in the world. We love caddie speak
and when they tell you how far they hit it,
or how well they played, or or how good somebody
they had before played better than you did as your
career in it on on a golf course you've never
seen before. But on the first team they were mentioning
that there was an event there with some collegiate players

(35:21):
and a lot of the guys had hit driver trying
to drive the green, and I was just happy to
see you pull it off. That That's all I gotta say.
I wish I'd have done it. I was happy to
see it. Unfortunately neither us made Bertie didn't win the whole,
but hey, that's that's that's that's neither here nor there. Uh.
The walk I I talked to weird Brady got a
pop and drained a five footer for Paul and we
lost the whole. Shocking. So my one of you talk

(35:44):
about your favorite walk is kind of coming up that
crest on one a cheap ranch, and it just it
kind of spoke to you personally. My favorite walk that
I've ever encountered in this sport and one of my
favorite just walks in in anything is number nine through thirteen.
What's crazy, clat is you on trails? On trails you

(36:07):
going to Bannon a couple of times. You the only
time you played trails, you stopped on the eighth hole,
so you never never got a chance to go through
this walk. I always talk about, well, for for Um
the event that we do UM for Joey's event, we
never play the trails course, so I had never played
the whole thing. So the last time I was out there,

(36:27):
I think we had like a eight thirty time or
something like that, and I snuck out early and and
they let me go out as kind of the first
guy off on trails just so I could see it.
I got eight holes in and had to shuttle over
to my other tea time. So that was the only
experience I had, which means that I missed like the
best part of which turns out like doing it. You know,

(36:50):
you had constantly told me about it, and you're exactly right.
That was my my you know, outside of one on
Sheep Ranch. You know, that stretch of holes is my
favorite stretch of hole on property. That was It's just
an incredible stretch of holes. So I had Grant Boone
on a couple of years ago on the Clubhouse, and
he was telling a story and if if you want
to go back and listen to it, I mean, I

(37:11):
can't even imagine what episode it is, but he was
telling a story. He got picked for the Augusta Lottery.
He got picked as a media member to play August
of the Monday after the Masters, and he had a
job interview in Atlanta for a TV gig and he
had to leave. He had to leave after nine at
Augusta Nashton. No, No, you can't do that, like there

(37:31):
will be another job. What is he doing? So again,
I I urge you to go listen to it. Maybe
I'll link to it after we we post this podcast,
I'll give you a link to the old episode. But
he said he told the guy in Atlanta about what
he'd done, and he said the guy was not amused.
He was, as you are annoyed. What are you thinking
he didn't get the job? That's what I'm saying. Like

(37:55):
you're gonna go to a job interview, You're gonna have
to tell that story and immediately your judgment skills are
gonna be like, depreciated beyond belief, didn't play him and Corner,
what are you thinking? What are you doing? This isn't
gonna work for me, buddy. You know, good good luck
with everything else. So you definitely didn't get the job.

(38:16):
We're gonna take a quick break and be right back.
So I had a few questions, you know, they're there
are these little sneaky things that banndoned that people love
to talk about. There's the box off tin on Bannon

(38:39):
Dunes that that tip that used to have whiskeys and
drinks in it, and uh and now I think they've
moved it now to the ninth Fairway. We didn't go
over there. I mean, I don't really think that's gonna
be a thing during COVID is gonna people are gonna
go over there and take a pull off a whiskey
bottle that's just in there from some random people. So,
walking off seven of Trails, one of our caddies goes,

(38:59):
have you guys ever tried to drive the green over
by the Grove Cottages? I never even knew it was there.
You and I hit two shots. One of the caddies said,
best too, he's ever seen. He said, he's your yours.
Yours hit basically the the fringe, if you will. I mean,
it's it's not a manicure green. It's just over in
the lake. I hit it on the green, and I

(39:20):
and everybody was rolling their eyes at us and you
and I basically pulled it off. Yeah. Well, you know,
everyone's like, okay, I guess we can stop and let
she and Joel hit We bet twenty bucks. I hit
mine absolutely perfectly, and when it didn't actually end up
on the green, I thought to myself, Shane, certainly not
going to hit the green after that perfect shot. Bam,
you hit it directly on the green. It was maybe

(39:43):
the best shot you hit all day. Were easily gonna say,
probably shot of the tournament outside of my final put
that we'll talk about, I'm sure at some point to
end the trip, which is maybe the greatest golf shot
I've ever hit in my life. But so we we
we finished the trip on trails. I feel like, now,
was it too much golf? Was it a perfect amount

(40:03):
of golf? You can't ask me that you can't know
golf that is enough golf. There's not enough golf that
can be enough golf. I was hurting, trust me, Like, physically,
I don't think I could have played anymore. But that
doesn't mean that that was enough golf. I mean, it's
just I've never met somebody that loves it as much

(40:25):
as you. I think you might love golf the most
of anybody. I know. That is such a compliment because
you know a lot of people, I like, I was hurting.
I was the last round, I was ad villain it up,
you know, going yeah, and like I've been battling a
bad back and so like that was. I kept trying

(40:48):
to stretch that out. But listen, like I absolutely love it.
I think that, yeah, I mean it was Listen, it
was enough golf. Just physically, I don't know if I
could have played, and in my last few holes I
was basically done and couldn't put a good swing on
it anyways, right into the teeth of thirty now. But

(41:09):
we played, I would say, the perfect amount, you know.
And and I think that the only thing that we
didn't do, and it's because we just didn't have time,
is we didn't punch bowlt you know, and we didn't
go out there. But I think that the punch bowl,
and this is important if you're scheduling a trip out there.
The punch bowl is for if you're gonna do four

(41:31):
full days, like we were really doing three full days,
and you can do that at our age. You can
do that right, two rounds a day for three days
and throw some preserve in there. You can do it
is possible if you're a little older and you're doing
three days, or if you're trying to do four days,
that's when you throw in the punch bowl and you
play only eighteen one day, get some preserve, and then

(41:52):
go to the punch bowl for the night. At our
age and fitness level three days, we didn't have time,
but that I think that's where the punch bowl is perfect,
is to give maybe some older gentleman a little bit
of a break if they're trying to go three four
days in a row. Absolutely. I always feel like I
leave Bannon wishing I'd have done, you know, forty minutes

(42:13):
or an hour on the punch bowl. And I do
feel like at my current age now it's the one
that gets left off, and I maybe in fourteen years
when I'm fifty, it won't be the one that's left off,
all right, class I listened next year, next year. I'm
willing listen, listen. That was. That was. I told my
buddy Ashton today on the phone. That was as much

(42:34):
golf as I could remember playing Abandon and I've gone
a decent amount to Bandon Dunes. I I can't remember
the double preserved squeeze in in between the two rounds.
And after thirty six, I mean, you get done with it,
go to dinner at eight pm. And there was no
after dinner hang. I mean we were all done, all
going to bed. That was I mean this, oh, there

(42:54):
was no there was no sitting around having drinks after,
no cigars. After dinner was done. We were all showering
and in bed. Yes, um, but that's and and uh,
if you're anything like me, and now now you've seen it,
and I don't know how much you've you've shared on
the podcast, so let let me just for my sake.

(43:17):
There are guys that ask me because they know that
I'm if if you don't know, I'm sober and have
been for eight years. At times, guys who are like
me or who have never drank, we'll ask like, hey,
you know, like, well, is it still fun to do
something like that? Even if you don't like drink. I say, yes, absolutely,
and I think our trip was evidence of that. Now,

(43:40):
if you wanted to hang, you can go do that,
you know, And then I think guys have a wonderful
time doing that. But I think we're evidence that that's
not a necessity and you can go up there and
enjoy yourself thoroughly. And I just replaced the hang with
as many golf holes as I can possibly go out
there and play. Absolutely think you know, I think people

(44:01):
need to hear that too, because there are guys that
asked me about that all the time, like, well, I
don't like going on a golf trip because there's some
implication of drinking and so on and so forth. If
that's the case, fine, if that's what you want to do,
and if not, I think that you know, you've got
to be confident enough to know that, especially at a
place like Bandon. Uh, there's there's plenty for you to
do if that's what your buddies want to do. Yeah,

(44:22):
first trip I've gone to Bandon and didn't drink. I
was I was that guy thinking about it headed in.
I gotta be honest with you. I mean, typically when
I go it's the bag of beers and loser the
hole carries it to the next hole, and that's how
that goes. First things first is Oregon doesn't allow plastic
bags anymore. So even if you wanted to have the
beer carrying thing Andrew had a bag of beers fell

(44:44):
on the back round of Bandon. It was a paper bag.
Let me just tell you, a lot of ice and
cold beer and a paper bag. Not great. Not great.
When you get about twelve twelve, it's just in the bag.
If you have like a small cooler, take it to Bandon,
take it to Bandon, Take a little cooler to Bandon.
That's a great tip. All right, look final hole and

(45:05):
then we'll get to some questions. You know what, Joe,
I've told this story a couple of times. I would
like you to walk walk me through my my story
if you will, okay, Well, to get this full extent
of the way I experienced. Shane's best shot of the
trip was the fact that this is the last hole.

(45:27):
My body is totally shut down and we are into
the absolute teeth of the wind. And he Shane and
I both hit hit drives that really should have been fine.
They were, They were good drives and they are afoot
into the crap like just nasty, nasty, nasty. Shane's lie

(45:49):
was terrible. It was in a divots. Kaddie tried to
tell him there was a local rule about divots. Shane
didn't buy it. So kudos to you on that because
you know you're you can move that if you want.
It's a local rule. I go ethan, man, it's in
a div What are you talking about. I mean we're
playing we have it, not now, not just so you
know we we have I won sixteen with a par

(46:12):
the par five. I won seventeen with a par with
maybe making about it probably one of my best parts
of my entire life. And we are mind you, Brady
wins every match he plays right now, so we're just
trying to We're just trying to get in his pocket
once on this trip is all. We're trying to not
even get in his pocket. We really need to win,
to push exactly exactly, just just try to win, grinding

(46:35):
a little bit, even like you know, a local rule,
you can move the ball. You laugh at him. I'm
rolling my eyes on like five feet from you. We
hit it in the same vicinity. My ball is dead,
just like it's and you hit yours and basically top
it into the bun bunker in front of us, and
so I'm like geez, you know, and I'm like, okay,

(46:57):
So now I'm trying to career out of the just
the dead, nasty, you know, bird's nest lie just terrible.
And I took the biggest swing I could possibly take
and hazzle it directly right over the fairway to the right,
and it hits like a tree and clanks into another bunker.

(47:18):
So I'm slogging over there. My left shin is about
to explode. And I never saw you hit your bunker shot.
I'm just like walking over there with Craig, who's trying
to give me a pep talk to my caddy, and
he's like, you can still make a five. If you
can still, I'm like a man, five ain't gonna count done.
You know. We're playing Brady who again we talk about Brady.

(47:39):
He's a doctor, he doesn't play golf. He lives in Omaha,
and he's striping it the whole trip. Gets a shot
on eighteen drives right down the middle of the fairway,
so Clad is in another bunker into hitting his third
shot on the four four and I am plugged, I
am minimal. We're done, We're screwed. I go over there,

(48:00):
don't see Shane hit his shot. I tried to hit
this shot from a bunker and it was like up
against the face and I hit it and I look
up to try to look at it and just get
a face full of sand right just blowing back in
my face. It's in my teeth. I'm grinding it. I'm like,
this sucks, Like, let's just go home, Let's go to Eugene.
And I kind of look up and I see you

(48:21):
like lining up, and I'm like just strolling up to
the green at this point, and I don't know what
you're putting four. I'm assuming it's for a par and
I'm just kind of walking and I'm walking along, and
I mean it's ninety ft right, and none of us
have putted well at all all trip, like, we haven't
made anything except for Brady. And you hit this put

(48:44):
and it looked like you hit a one hundred yard put,
like a full shoulder turn, bam into the wind up
the hill and it's going and it's going and it's going.
And someone at the at one point was like, get
up there and you were like, yeah, yets up there,
and then and then it's like, oh, you know, Someone's like,
oh it's pretty good, you know, good speed, and someone's like,

(49:06):
oh yeah, this is this is a good line. And
then is that gets a little bit closer. I'm kind
of walking and walking and I just started to go
and then and then bam, it hits the pint. It
goes in and we all just explode over as if
you're justin Leonard in the Ryder Cup, but I'm high
five and year around. Good god, we didn't have those

(49:28):
ugly shirts on, but that's about how we were running around.
And just like Homeboy needed to put who was it?
In nine? He still needed to Oh we're running around,
Craig my Caddie's running around with his big old feet.
He's stopping on the line high five, and everybody COVID everywhere.

(49:48):
Oh man, it was amazing. We we I make the
putt for par Brady has a put three for two
three pots, and mind you, Brady is about five feet
in front of me, so he's probably got eighty five
ft And now you're thinking, we've got a good chance
to tie this hole, which would have won us the
last match of the trip and Bratty, it's a fantastic

(50:09):
put to like six ft and you know, I mean,
given the circumstances and how long the putt was, it
was it was as almost as good as you could do.
I mean, outside of of what I'd just done. And
uh and maybe the only time of the trip Brady
missed a put the matter. So that was that was
how we ended the trip. And then of course we
got the drive to Eugene. There was a two hour
drive and you mentioned the sand on you like you

(50:29):
and I about four times on the drive go I
got spelling some sand in my ear, and you were
found on your neck and your arm. I mean it
was everywhere. It was everywhere. It was, it was everywhere,
um man. But it was quite a way to end
the trip. And uh, yeah, it was your best put
I don't think I think that you made like if
that putt was. I think on the week you probably

(50:52):
made like puts. I mean, I think that's being generous,
So I'll take it because I feel like that. I'm like,
you're being nice to me to say that I want
to get some I want to get to some questions
and I want to start with this one. It is
a big question, clap, and I did all the prep
for it because I'm not gonna make you do this.
I need your help on a couple and other than that,

(51:15):
I just want to get your thoughts as we roll
through this. Scott Forward asked me on Twitter. He said,
take all five golf courses outside of the preserve. The
preserve not included here. Build your favorite bandon composite eighteen
hole golf course. Now. I found out from this question
that you can do this online the website's Dream golf
Resorts dot com slash Dream eighteen contest, and this includes

(51:39):
holes from Cabin and I believe holes from Sand Valley
as well. But it was very helpful doing this because
it doesn't have Sheep Ranch in there yet. But I
was able to go through, you know, the four holes
from the other golf courses and then think about cheap.
We already mentioned the first hole obviously gonna be Sheep Ranch.
The Part five from the backs great hole. We've talked
about it. Number two a lot out of Part three's

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second hole on the on on property there. I went
with Bannon Dunes clad. I love the bann and Dunes
Part three. I think it's got a lot of character
up out of green. It's a hundred nine yards from
the backs. Bannon Dunes was my whole. Number two, I
would go trails. I thought that i'd love that downhill
part of three. That whole waste bunker on the right
feels like you can make a hole in one, but

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we didn't. Did not. It's it's just so hard. I
just feel like that hole was so hard. I can
make five on trails too. I don't feel like I
can make five on Bannon two, but fair. I think
that was the one that was in the argument. Number
three I went with Old Mac. It's it's a it's
a tricky little part four, but it's got the ghost
tree there. It's the iconic hole really in terms of

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everybody taking their photo. Plus you know, given the right
wind you can drive the green. It's only three seventy
five and most of that's downhill. So I went with
old Mac. Number three. I I really love banned in
number three. That part five. I think that's a really
great hole. I know it's wide open and in risks,
but the green complex everything, I just I really have

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abandoned number three. So number four, there's a couple that
are really hard, dude, and number four is hard. I
mean you get banned number four, which they have a
plaque right by the tea it says, you know, this
is one of the top five golf holes ranked in
the world, and you got to battle that up against
Pacific number four. I went Pacific four. I just think
it's I think it's the best hole on Pacific. Dudes.

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That one's really tough because it's specific for. It's specific
four as good as bandoned for is Pacific for is
just incredible. Now what's interesting is you get all these ones.
It's funny. It's actually fun to do this. If you've
never done this, dude, I trust me, it is it is.
It'll take up an hour of your time and you'll
have internal debates and feel like a weirdo, and so

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you'll kind of feel like me all the time. Number five,
the fifth hole on properties are all okay, not no fun.
No Number five blows you away. I went with number
five at banned Dudes. That the one that you know
you can kind of hit driver up there if you want,
you can hit iron if it's down when like it
was for us both time we played it. Par four
got a cool kind of green and a little shoot

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up by the by the front of the green there.
I just think of the of the options there. I
love the band and the most. I like Old Max
number five and Old Mac. The par three. Huh yeah,
it's it's it's a great green. It's a really great
green on Old Max. I love the green because the
green becomes so small. It's a giant green that is

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really like four greens right, and it's and it's it's
not a terribly hard shot. I know, listen, you're like,
what are you what are you talking about? I really
like that the two bottom holes, the whole locations, you know,
like you can make it to there because of all
the backstops. To get it back up top is really difficult.
Like I like that whole a lot. The Elevated Tea.

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It's a great part three, and it really kind of
starts the stretch. You know, you play three. As we mentioned,
the ghost Tree Hole Wars. This basically impossible part of boards,
especially when it's into that south wind. I mean it's
like a fifty yard par four from the backs. But
you get to five and you go five, six, seven,
eight nine right there on Old Mac, and to me,
that's kind of the stretch of holes number six. We
already mentioned this. I went with sheep Ranch. That's that

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part four you mentioned over the cliff. I feel like
it just edges out packs sixth hole, which is that
short drivable part four where you hit it in the
blowout bunker then maybe hit your best shot of the
trip um. That was undoubtedly my best shot of the
trip on unpack uh six. But Sheeper Ranch six, I
think might when it's all said and downe when the

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dust settles, that might become the best hole on property.
It's gonna be behind in my opinion, and I couldn't
agree with you more. My opinion is outside of sixteen
abandoned dunes, I think it's gonna be the second most photographed,
most posted, most videoed shot that that's out there. I
actually when we were there in September with a with

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a group of buddies of mine, we played nine holes
on sheep Ranch. I took a video of that t
shot and it was one of those that a lot
of the golf websites aggregated. You know, look at sheep Ranch,
Look how cool this hole is. I mean, that's that's
how kind of blown away you are when you step
on that te I go back to back seven and
eight Old Mac and my crazy clot Seven's up the hill.

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Part four and eight is the beer. It's part three. Um,
I like the part three. The part four is okay. Um,
let's see seven seven. I think I think I love
Trail seven. Isn't that? So seven Trails is in the conversation.
It's that long part four. It's where we hit those
drives we talked about over by the cottages. It's that

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long part four that kind of goes up the hill,
the great huge false front. It was. It was the
one that I It was the one that I had
in here next to Old Mac. My reason that I
feel like seven or Old Mac is the one on
my list is because I kind of think it's their
iconic hole on that golf course. I think it's it's
You're right, it is, but I think that seven at

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at Trails is a better hole. But I'm with you
on the eight at Old Mac. And by the way,
like we hit really good shots and it always helps
if you play the whole well, you're like, oh, I
love exactly. We played eighted Old Man really well. So
I haven't mentioned the Trails hole yet and people say, wait,
I thought it was your favorite course. Just wait because
they're coming in. They're coming in a flurry here. Number

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nine at Trails Easily Part five seven, I mean it's
it's my happy place starting on nine there. I just
I love Trails Part five. Yeah, nine nine Bandon is
really good, but Trails is incredible. Number ten I went
with Pacific. You know, it's a start of those back
to back part three's. I think the eleventh is maybe

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a prettier Part three. I like ten. I love the
two teas. You can play from the upper and lower
the greens. The green can be tough. If the pins
up front, it's fairly easy. If the pins back it's
a little bit tougher. You get to look out over
the ocean. I just feel like of the options of
number ten's Pacific was the best available Trails Okay, I mean,

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I I just the only thing is the tenth t
shot is kind of whatever. I mean, the green is
fun and the bunkers are fun, but I feel like
that Pacific part three you gotta throw one of the
two in. And I went with Trails. Eleven is my
eleventh hole. That's the part four that that's just I mean,
just one of the best holes you'll ever play, one
of the most fun t shots you'll ever ever play.

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And then you walk down by that lake. It's uh,
it's it's it's as good as it gets. Again, this
is right in my my this is right in my
happy place, right here on number eleven, I'm I'm on
trails again, like it's really tough on the and and listen,
eleven eleven is interesting because eleven you do like I
love the part three on Pacific, the eleventh hole, but

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this stretch on trails is so good. The eleventh pole
on trails is just is just better. So I had
I have right after Again, there's some of these. What's
fun about this is some of the holes have three
you want to battle through, and some have not really
any that really blow you away. Aliven is one that
has some unbelievable holes, you know, sheep Ranch I mentioned
earlier the part five there it's not on the ocean,

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but it's a great Part five definitely in the conversation,
and as you said, Pacific eleven as well. Twelve. I
went with Bannon Dunes the part three. I think it's
one of the best part threes on property. Yeah, I
think that's one of those where I wish I could
borrow like an eleventh hole from somewhere else and put
it on too it because I don't like the collection
of twelve holes isn't great. So yeah, I kind of

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default too. You know. I love twelve at at Sheep Ranch,
even though it's fairly non the script, because with the
wind direction that we played going driver to iron sand wedge,
it was just just kind of fun, you know what
I mean. So I guess I'll go there. I'll go.
I'll go Sheep Ranch thirteen. I went Pacific. I mean,
it's kind of you know, it's on the ocean. It's
it's one of their it's one of their signature holes.

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I think that's of all the available it's it's probably
the best. I guess you could make an argument for
the band in part five. I like the band in
part five, I really do, except for that lake down there.
The jet skis drove me nuts inside jokes about that
inside and Andrew, Andrew said, Andrew said, like, oh did
that go into lake when he hit his tea shot,

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And we're like, it's what are you talking about? Lake?
And he pulled out his yardage book and he says, look,
it says right here the only water hazard in the
on band and dunes and were like unbelievable, unbelievable. So
I'm looking that there were jet skis and fishing down

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there that you could rent. Take inside joke that you
got in on there. But eleven, Um, I'm sorry, that's
this is thirteen, right right. I like trails thirteen. Um,
you play that part three, and then you play that
that that part four that we hit kind of good
drives on and then you get that green with that

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enormous false left side thirteen advandoned trails is great. This
is a hard one for me because I want to
put trails in here, but I know I feel like
the answer specific Hey on fourteen. Listen, I'm controversial. I
went trails fourteen. I feel like you can't leave it off.
The drive will part four people love it or hate it? Yeah,

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it's I I really like Bandon's fourteenth goal. Um, because
that's with a right wind direction and people are gonna
roll their eyes. That's a drivable part four, and I
think it's a really great part four. So I'm going
to Bandon. It's drivable with the wind behind you, and

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then it's a really hard tea shot when the winds
in your face because there's so many bunkers up there.
I I agree with you that that designs a lot
of fun. Uh fifteen I went sheep Ranched the part
part four short Part four. You and I made a
mess of it every time we played it, and it's
should be fairly easy. But you've got the backdrop of
the ocean right there, and it's, uh it kind of
the start of that that final run of of of

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sheep Ranch where you're kind of all the way on
the ocean until you get off eighteen t you know, Yeah,
I love I'm with you on this one. I thought
sheep Ranches fifteen pole it's is really really good. Do
we have to do sixteen? I mean, is this really
a thing we have to talk about? It's a bandoned
but I gotta tell you, sheep Ranch gives you a
huge run for your money. Yeah, it's fair. Part three

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it's kind of the if you've ever played sheep Ranch
before it became sheep Ranch, sheep Ranch, it was the
green you kept playing to, the one right there on
the ocean. It's a double green with three sheep ranch
sixteen is great, but come on, it's it's bannon due.
There's no there's no doubt about it. Here's the one
I had a hard time with. This is the only
one I don't have an answer for. Clad I need
you to decide seventeen. I said, it's between Old Max

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Part five and the part three on trails. What do
you have for seventeen? I'll go Old Mac. I like
both of those. I like both of those, and I
think I think that that part three on trails might
be the best part three on big course property outside

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of maybe sixteen and sheep. But that part five is
is such a good hole because there's a risk, there's
risk reward in your line off the tea, and then
even if you if you get that risk down the
right side, you've got to avoid a bunker and that's
what opens up the green. And if you're where I was,
you took the safe line off the tea, I'm in

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the fairway, and yet I've got to carry that cross
bunker and then land on a down slope and try
to hold the girl like I just thought that the
strategical that was as strategic a Part five as I've
played in a long time, and I so I thought
I loved that whole I really loved it. But seventeen
at Trails is maybe the best. Part three on the property,

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I went Bandon Part five finish you get to go
up to the clubhouse. I mean it's it's to me,
it's between band and Pacific. I alike, Yeah, it's definitely
between Bandon and Pacific. And I'm gonna go Bandon. You know,
you got the property line all down the right side,
you get the club you know, the traditional clubhouse. You
can make a birdie. Uh yeah, I think that that's
a great hole. Man. I love this little You know.

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What's interesting is you start to realize like the holes
you left off and you're like, I know, man, I
can't believe my left I have some listed and it's
a bummer. So so the math and this is so
if you're going to Bandon, if you're gonna go to
Bandon Dunes and you can afford it, and you have
the time, and uh and you're physically able to do this.
People ask me all the time what course to leave off?

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I always say, none. You can't leave any off. Play
every single one of them. It's hard, but it's a
hard place to get to. And this is a good
example of this. These are my eighteen three from Sheep,
five from Brandon Dunes, four from Old Mac and you
know Old Max. The golf course that I feel like
people tend to want to leave off their list three
Pacific three Trails and Trails is my favorite golf course.
So that's that's the breakdown of that. Um, I I

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had some I have I have one. I think that's
going to really tickle your fancy here Clad because I
know you love this, okay, and you're you're a guy
that just I mean, I'm the same way. We love
logos and we love golf. Golf merch Michael Saffro asked
to rank the course logos in order, including everything. So
this includes punch bowl as well. I asked you to
do this. I'm assuming you have your rankings. I'll let

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you run through one through seven. Okay. Um, Number one
is Preserved Um, that's it's a that's an incredible logo.
Number two is Sheep Ranch. Same. Um, I think that's
an incredible logo. Um. This is the one that actually
grew on me. I used to hate it and now
you've convinced me. I'm going Abandoned next. That's what I

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have for three. Then for four, I'm going Old Mac
and that's quickly rising up because they've gone ghost Tree
on a lot of their merch, which is incredible, right Like,
just putting that tree as your logo is phenomenal, and
even they're there, oh M, is really good. It's hard

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for me with with the others, right, Like, I just
don't think Pacific's logo create. I'm like really hard on Pacific, don't.
And punch Bowl is just a putting green, so like
you know, that's that's kind of where where it lies.
I think that Trails would be just ahead of those two. Okay,

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I have the same four as you preserve Sheep Bannon Mac,
and I'm just like you. I love the o M
and I love the tree as kind of a secondary logo.
I know that Sheep Ranch has some ideas with some
secondary logos they're gonna be equally as fantastic as as
the Ghost Tree. I went punch Bowl, Trails, Pacific. I
went Pacific last as well on the logo just not
I'm just it's it's just not my favorite. I just

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you know, It's just not one that pops for me.
All the other ones do. I have a question from
you from Grant maybe my favorite question anybody sent in
and and this is this. This is gonna you're gonna
perk up when you hear this. If banned, This is
from Grant. If Bannon was a call, it's football program,
which one would it be? Oh gosh, I love this question. Great,

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There's so many different ways I could go with this.
Um bandoned Dunes is Clemson UM? And and here's why
and and Clemson fans are going to get all been
out of shape about this. I think that if you

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wanted to just do the blue blood always been great,
you're gonna go try to play national golf links Shannon Coock,
you know, would be the number one. Like these are
the tried and true eighteen national championships, you know, in

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their history, several Heisman Trophy winners, the history of the tradition,
that stuff. Clemson doesn't necessarily have that, but they are
the blue blood of the modern day. And to me,
like this is a trip you have to take. I
think that this trip is the national champion of golf

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trips currently, Like I don't think that there's a better
golf trip you can take. And so right now I'm
gonna go with Clemson. I like it. I think that's good.
I think that even even with l s U winning
and I know that they just want but you know
what I mean, Like Clemson is like the program right
now that has like this modern acclaim is good every year.
It's consistent. So Bandoned Dunes trip is like the Clemson

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Tiger is Dabo is Dabo like Kaiser here is that
it's just this this new mind that comes in and
and and and basically remolds a program to be one
of the best in the world. Yes, Yes, And Bandoned
Dunes of the course is like Deshaun Watson put them
on the map, all right. Lenny the Duck asked two

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good questions. Letty the duck favorite hole on each course
is the first one I will I'll run through mine,
and then I'll let you do yours favorite hole on
each course. Bannon Dunes. I went with sixteen fair like
that feel like that one's pretty easy. Pacific I went
with four Old mac is the part seventeenth we talked

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a little bit about trails is nine for me. Sheep ranches.
That part three and then Preserve. I wrote it has
to be either number six or number nine. I'm right
on the fence between both of them. But with just
thirteen holes, that's what I'm gonna go with. So those
that's my list. What's yours? She Branch it's number one
at Bandon Dunes, it's number sixteen at Pacific, it's number

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four at and you know, I really I just real
left sheep branch six off, damn it. The number one
is you can go with number one. You love that hole?
I do, I mean I do. And it sets the tone.
It's the tone center. Um, okay, So I'm gonna stay
there on on Trails. I'm with you on nine. Nine

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is like nine is phenomenal on Preserve, which is the
one that's all the way down on the bottom. Yeah,
I think that's six. That's six. Then that's my favorite
up that course. Yeah, I think it's five or six.
If if if we're wrong, we apologize. I don't have
the scorecard right in front of me, but I know
which one you're talking about. It's it's just for me.

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Is six? That part five? Okay? That's I mean, that's
that's a good list. We had some of the same
and a little bit different. His next question, Lenny the
Duck asked, is it wrong to eat McKee's pup meat
loaf Grandma's meat loaf four days in a row? Uh?
I mean, don't do that. That's doesn't sound like a
great idea. I would say, you want to change it up? Now,
I wouldn't do that. I would change it up. I
would change it up. My memory is so bad. I

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have a hard time remembering which holes were which, and
then I have a hard time remembering where I actually
eight said meal. I had a burger I believe it
was at McKee's the second night we went. That was
That was the tufted puffin that was we went in
there and it was the uh was it? That was
the one that was in the lodge. I think when
you had the burger that you said was absolutely out
of this world. There you go and then we got

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like ice cream something and they were that was phenomenal.
Um the Steve Preef Swontean dessert. I believe it was good.
It was unreal that so I would say the meat
loaf is the thing people talk about. I haven't ordered
it in a couple of trips. Personally, I like meat loaf,
I just I get. I get burgers a lot there,
I get steaks there. I got fish one night. I

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would say, if you want to change it up at
the actual pub, get the pizza there. Pizzas are great there,
exactly what you want good. I mean, you play, you play,
you walk, you walk like ten miles a day or
twelve miles a day, like you deserve a pizza at
the end of the round. So a lot of food questions.
I feel like food questions are hard for us to answer.
I mean, it's it's food. What do you want, It's

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your personal taste and and here's Um, you guys had
a grilled cheese for lunch at the lodge that looked amazing.
I would suggest that for people like doing din or
getting lunch, the coffee shop at Sheep Ranch was really good. Um,
the coffee up there was actually really good. So I
would suggest that you guys like the breakfast sandwiches at

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Old Mac, best breakfast sandwich on property. And then if
you are going to go to dinner, you're gonna be
really tired and really hungry for your butt hits the seat.
Tell them to bring you a pizza for the table.
That's like just Sam, just pizza. That's that's the extending

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I do this. Do you guys do this where occasionally
we'll go to breakfast and we both order an adult
breakfast meal, that being you know, like an eggerant omelet,
but we'll get the we'll get the sharing waffle or
sharing French toast. Just that's that's out of this world,
next level calories that make a Saturday or Sunday breakfast
that much better. My favorite is that I just order

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that for my kids and then when they don't eat
it all, I then get to eat it. See, I'm
not there yet. I mean, you know, Henry is not.
We're not. We're not to the point where Henry is
old enough to where he's you know, ordering those food items.
But I cannot wait for that. I can't wait to
gain like twenty five pounds eating all the food that
he doesn't want to eat or that I over order
for him. Um Seth asked, if I'm a college student,

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shouldn't wait until I can experience the entire property or
is it acceptable to go for just a couple of
courses and hope to come back again. Uh, claud I'll
let you take it go for whatever you can. You
just have to go, like, don't make it like it
has to be extravagant, it has to be like going
to Scotland or something. No, no, no, if you can
make it, go totally agree exactly what I was gonna say. No,

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there's no there's no shame if it's you know, if
if you again, as I said, if you can afford
it and you can get there and you can stay
for four days and you know you're not leaving your
wife high and dry to me, then go play every
golf course and don't leave any out. But if you're
tied on a budget, go play too golf verses. I mean,
you'll love it and then it will make you want
to come back, and it it might even make you

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motivated to work a little harder so you can go back.
I mean, at least that's that's what I would see,
because it's such an awesome place. We haven't really touched
on this yet. Clay was asking he's going there in September.
He just said, what does he need to know about
abandon trip during COVID And I would say I thought
they handled it unbelievably well. I mean that the tables

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I would say one thing is make sure you reserve.
You put in your dinner reservations early because they don't
have nearly as many tables. And again, we went in
in July, so are in June, so this could be
totally different by the time we get to September. But
that's the one thing I would say, is make sure
you put in reservations for dinner weeks in advance, because
there's just not as many tables available at the dinner spots.

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But I thought I thought, all in all, Abandon did
a great job of of kind of keeping you away
from people in space in the tables, and you never
felt uncomfortable. I I completely agree. And I would say,
if it's worrisome to you, be really open and honest
and clearing your communication to your caddy. I would say
that one. And if and if it's really worries some
to you, just hope your own bag, you know, just

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pull your own cart. And I know the caddies won't
want to won't want to hear that, but they would
accommodate you regardless, Like if you said, listen, I don't
want you to touch my clubs, they would do that.
They would just carry your bag and set it down
next to you and you can pull your own uh bag.
So setting that that guideline for you and the caddy,
I think would be really important and in a way

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that you could still use a caddy and yet still
feel comfortable out there if if it's something that really
concerns you. Patrick Scott asked Patrick Scott, a couple of
two first names, Patrick Scott. Sixteen golfers from South Carolina
headed out there in August. Handicaps go from plus two
to twenty, and he said, do we should we just
stick to the green teas? I know you're now, I

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need you to. I need to answer this question, not
like Patrick Scott. I need you to sorry, not like
Joe Claid. I need to answer this question like Patrick
Scott's asking. Because you're gonna say, you're gonna say play
the backs. Yeah, absolutely, I don't. I don't think that
it's too long, like even you know, like like Brady
and Andrew when we were heading out there, they were like, yeah,

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you know, it might be too unless wind is an
absolute issue. Like I think playing back is fine now
if it gets really windy. Um, I think that you
could play you could play greens, but just just know that.
For instance, we tried to adjust on the last four
holes of our trip at Trails. It's blown thirty into

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our face and we're like, hey, guys, we're all tired.
Like let's just play the green teas on the last
four holes and into the wind. Every t shot I
hit ended up being in the crap by a yard,
and I'm like, okay, I hit those. Let's say I
make the exact same golf swing. I'm in the middle

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of the fairway if we just were playing the regular
the teas that we were normally playing, because it just
went through on the line that is kind of there
in front of you. So um, I think you know,
play it by a year, but don't be afraid to
go back because I didn't think that it was overly long.
I would say play the greens at Pacific for sure.
If you if you're not a bomber, I would say

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greens or find a Pacific, because I do think Pacific
is the toughest driving golf course there. Maybe Trails because
of the trees, but you know Pacific and Trails. Maybe
play one up. I would say first round for anybody going,
if you've got a whole bunch of guys in the
handicaps are all over the place. I would say, play
the first round from the greens and then see how
everybody felt. So if the plus two that's on this

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trip Patrick wants to scoop back, then you can scoop
back on the next round. And if you're enjoying the greens,
and play the greens. I mean, again, what I what
I feel like? People, and and you and I have
to do this sometimes you have to remember that this
is supposed to be a vacation. It's supposed to be enjoyable.
You're supposed to be having fun. If you're playing and
it's and you're playing, and you're playing the Blacks at Pacific,

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it's gonna be a tough day. I mean, you're gonna
have a tough day on the golf course because it's
supposed to be tough from the backs in those types
of conditions. Yeah, no, you're exactly right. And again I'm
I'm a glutton for punishment. I'm kind of a golf enthusiast,
to put it mildly. So you want to, you want to,
you want to? I know it. I was I knew
you're gonna say play back last one, A meal asked

(01:18:17):
U to list our favorite Part three, Part four, Part
five on property. I thought this was a good question.
I know, I don't think I told you to prep
for this, So if you need a second, I can go.
But if you're ready, i'll let your roll. I'll go. Um.
I like the sixth hole in the preserve is my
favorite Part three, but if it has to be on course,
I'll go. Seventeen at Trails, followed very closely by sixteen

(01:18:39):
at Sheep. Those are my three favorite, Okay, so they're
my favorite. Part four is probably eleven at Sheep. Um,
that's just such an ordinary hole. It's really six sheep
four Pacific okay, one of those two, and my favorite
Part five of his nine at Trails. Okay, so I

(01:19:02):
have nine of Trails in my favorite. Part five. I
think we can think you and I've established that's one
of our favorite holes in the world. Favorite Part three
Pacific eleven and uh, and I went with with the
O G. Bannon Dune sixteen. You know what, I love
you you you and I discussed this a decent amount
on the trip. Is I feel like Bannon Dunes the
golf course is one of those that people kind of

(01:19:25):
forgot about. You know, Pacific opens and it's unreal. Then
you get Trails, then you get Old Mac. Now you
have Sheep Ranch. You have to preserve the golf course
that's been there from the start is just sitting there.
It is, by in my opinion, easily the best back
nine on property. I think it has some of the
best holes on property. And I I feel like it's

(01:19:47):
it's making a little bit of a comeback in people's
interests of golf courses at Bandoned because for a while
it was the one that people were like, oh, it's good,
it's great, it's fun, but they weren't talking about how
lovely of a golf course it is. I will tell
you this that I I am a huge fan of
courses that are not easy, just playable, and I think

(01:20:10):
that Bandoned Dunes is imminently playable. And you know, you
don't have to be striping it like to really play
well at Pacific or even like Old Mac. You've got
to be hitting the ball really well right, and even
Trails to some extent, you've gotta you've gotta hit really
good shots. And again I'm not trying to trivialize band
and say, oh, you don't have to hit good shots.

(01:20:32):
But I'm just saying it's it's playable. There are options.
There are lots of options you can If you're not
hitting it well, you can still score. If you are
hitting it well, you might not score, you know. So
it's not that it's easy, it's just that it's playable.
And and because of that, I thought it. I think
that it's the most fun course there that you can
go play like I thought those were those two rounds

(01:20:54):
were the most fun that I had on the trip
outside of Preserve. Yeah, and and and went into a
last question. I said, last one, but I've got one more,
just because I think you and I would both say
the same thing. Here, Brian said, best hang spot for
day one. We have Preserve schedule than nothing else on
a rival. I mean, don't leave the Preserve, honestly, just
keep playing it. They have a bar there on the

(01:21:16):
golf course. I mean, they've got a little halfway house
so you can stop and get drinks. You don't have
to have a whole bunch of golf clubs. Bring us,
bring a bluetooth speaker, you know. I mean that to me,
I feel like, if you are going to combine it again.
I mean, you and I weren't drinking on this on
this trip, so we're not in that world of the
kind of the party golf. We're just out there playing
and enjoying it. I would say that Preserve is the

(01:21:38):
most fun you can have if you combine everything. So
if you want to booze, it's a great place to booze.
If you want to smoke a cigar, great place for
a cigar. You get to play golf, and you can
play twelve as long as you're not holding by anybody up,
play as many as you want. I will say you
have to hit putter on the last toll, though I
don't know if I've said that on this podcast yet.
As long as the pen's not back right, everybody has

(01:21:59):
to hit putter on the and uh. And that's just
part of Preserve. That's part of what you gotta do.
I could not agree more. Go to the Preserve and
just enjoy it. You're not trying to score. You can
play wolf, you can smoke a cigar, you can drink
if you want to, you can listen to music. Just

(01:22:19):
enjoy it. Look around when you get to the let's see,
it's six seven. I guess that's the ninth tea at
a preserve. I looked out and remember I kind of
looked at you, and I was like, this might be
like the best spot on property. You can see all
the of Bandon. You can see the preserve like you
see this this entire view, Like just take a moment.

(01:22:40):
You're hitting back at the ocean to this unbelievable green
like it's and you just take it in. You're like, okay,
like this is really really special if you are struggling
with your golf game, if you are struggling with life,
if you are having a bad day, if you are
having a bad month or a bad year for me
and and it it's gonna be different with everybody, but
I just feel like when I'm on Banning Preserve, you know,

(01:23:03):
you go on a trip, going a golf trip. I
just feel like when I'm there, life feels a little
less stressful. And I mean that's a compliment to a
golf courses. If you're on a golf course and it's
helping you outside of golf, that's a benefit, you know.
And I just every time I played the preserve, I'm like,
why do we not schedule this more on our trip.
We should have played this four times. The first thing

(01:23:23):
I did when I got home as I wrote a
letter to the committee of the club I play at,
and I was like, hey, um, do you have any
plans for a short course? You're gonna bring all the
band and ideals to your golf course. Like God, this
clapp guys emailing us again. I'm like, listen, even if
it's three olds, yeah, no, I mean and and that's

(01:23:46):
all you need. We talked about it. You need three
three for a short course is really the start, and
outside of that, it's all. It's all just a bonus,
claud I appreciate this. I know I took up a
good portion of your Wednesday, but thanks for jumping on.
It was a It was an unbelievable trip, one of
my favorite I've ever been on to Bannon and uh
And as I always say, the best compliment I could
give Bannon Dunes is the moment I leave, I'm just

(01:24:06):
thinking about when I can return, and I'm not sure
there's there's a better way to put how much fun
and the passion and the love I have for that place,
Because to me, in terms of a golf resort, a
place you can go old young, booze, no booze, maybe
you do some illegal substances, whatever you want to do
to me, it is absolutely the perfect golf place in

(01:24:30):
my opinion. We'll shoot in Oregon. I don't even know
if those are illegal substances. The um yeah, listen. I
mean the people up there are phenomenal and everybody up
there that helped us out. First of all, thank you.
Second of all, I'm the same way. I'm thinking about
the next time that I can get there. If you
enjoy golf, you don't even have to love golf. If

(01:24:52):
you enjoy golf, it is a must. Not like I'm
gonna try, You've gotta go. It'll cheer your relationship with golf.
It will change your entire outlook on life to some
extent because it's just an amazing place. It's so peaceful,
so beautiful. You're gonna absolutely love it. That's Joel Clatt.

(01:25:13):
You can watch him call college football games and he's
really really good at it, and he's good at golf too.
He's annoyingly good at everything. And uh that includes his
best skill, which is something he did earlier today, which
is ride the peloton. But that will be for another podcast,
Clad I can't wait to see you back on TV.
I can't wait to see you back in some form
with Golf and Fox. I know it's gonna be a

(01:25:33):
different type of schedule, but I'm hoping to see you
on the road as well. He did such a great
job last year for sure, Man, thank you, I appreciate
your time. We're gonna take a quick break and be
right back. A big thanks to Joel, big thanks to

(01:25:56):
Bannon Doings for having us, and a big thanks to
you for listening. This was a long episode, but hopefully
when you enjoy and hopefully one that's helpful if you're
headed out that way, and it's gonna be something I'm
gonna do a little bit more when I go places
and and get a chance to experience a new place
or you know one that that gets asked about a lot.
I'm gonna try to have a podcast to where it's evergreen,
you know, if you listen to it four months from now,

(01:26:17):
or six months from now, or two years from now,
hopefully it's helpful if you are planning a trip to
the bann And Dunes or the Northeast or cabin or
places like that that that golfers want to go check out,
so hopefully this is helpful. Like I said, any questions
you have reached out to me on Twitter, on Instagram
at Shane Bacon, I try to answer as many as
I can. I try not to leave any anybody out

(01:26:37):
there high and drive. If you've got a question, If
you ever have any caddy questions for Bannon, let me know.
I'll point you in the direction of some people I've
had that have been great. You guys, have a great weekend.
I'll check back next week. The clubhouse was Shane Bacon
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