August 14, 2020 • 24 mins
In this episode of the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon, Shane is joined by U.S. Amateur contender, Segundo Oliva Pinto, to discuss the caddie infraction on the 18th hole which cost him the match. Segundo shares what it was like to play in the U.S. Amateur at Bandon Dunes, and details his caddie selection process. Then Segundo walks us through what transpired in the bunker on the 18th hole and how's he's handled it. Follow Shane Bacon on Twitter @ShaneBacon and follow the podcast @theclubhousepod
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon, a production of
I Heart Radio Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon.
I am your host, Shane Bacon, and this surprise Friday
episode actually is from a bummer moment. I guess you
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could say from the US Amateur around of sixteen. If
you missed this, if you've been living under a rock
in terms of the golf media world the last day,
maybe you missed what happened on Thursday night. This was
you know, West Coast prime time around a sixteen matches
at the US Amateur bandon Dunes. And there was a
young man from Argentina playing Tyler Strafosse in their match,
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and uh, his name is Segundo Olivo Pinto and he
was two down with six holes to play, and he
battles his way back. Winds were blowing, It was blowing
like thirty five hour. Nobody was making any putts, everybody
was missing five footers. It was playing brutal and he
clawed his way back into the match. You win six
team with a par they have seventeen, and we're all
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square going into the part five, eighteen pole and that's
where all the drama, Uh, started, both players right up
by the green and three and uh Pinto was in
the bunker and St Fosse was just off the green,
and unfortunately Pinto's caddie, a young man named Brandt Brewer,
got into the bunker and tested the conditions of the
sand with his hand and was caught on camera, and
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Tyler's dad ran over immediately saw what happened, brought the
rules official in and of course, in match play, when
something like that happens, it's the loss of hole. And
when you're playing the eighteenth hole, there's no more holes
to make up rooms, so that's not just a loss
of hole, but that was a loss of of the match.
So St Fosse moves on, you know, into the quarterfinals,
and and Pinto was left, you know, have an answer
a whole bunch of questions, including questions for me about
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what happened. And I was offered the opportunity to give it,
to have a chat with them about, you know, his
approach following the drama, how he handled it so professionally
and and just so maturely. I just I know, I
know twenty year old Shane Bacon would have had a
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chance to take a couple of minutes and at least
answer the questions, you know, without having to throw anybody
under the bus or just slip up and say something,
because you'd be mad, you'd be upset, you'd be frustrated.
And Signdo didn't do any of that. I I was.
I was blown away by how gracious he was in
his defeat and understanding the rules of golf and knowing
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that that's what it is and sometimes stuff happens. And
so when when you when something bad goes down and
you can find positive in it, you know, that's what
I want to highlight in this sport. That's what I
want to highlight in golf. I want to find the
people that are either doing good or being good and
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presenting their story and so this was an opportunity to
do that. If you haven't seen what went down on eighteen,
I will tweet this out as well at Shane Bacon
and from the Clubhouse Pod account at the Clubhouse Pod,
so I'll get that out for you guys. But I
just figured this was a conversation worth having and uh
and I thought people out there that have been consuming
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a lot of the information about everything that went down
in the round of sixtea match would have a chance
to hear from the man himself. So that's what this is.
I hope you guys are having a good week. I
hope you guys have a good weekend, and we'll be
back next week. But yeah, this was a surprise episode
and it's not overly long. I'm sure that's good for
you guys, but I knew people would be excited about it.
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So here we go, and we welcome into the clubhouse
a man that has been in the news the last
day or so, not for anything he did or anything
he didn't do, just for his great play and of
course an unfortunate situation. Segundo Olivo Pinto. I appreciate you
taking the time. I know obviously the last probably twelve
hours have been an unbelievable whirlwind for you. What have
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been like basically from yesterday afternoon into Friday, Well, it's
being pretty crazy, uh, getting all this message after the
big situation that we had on eighteen years and that
um on, my friends and family and loads of other
people were there to send for me and tell me
how much the thing that the situation that I did
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really well in it. So I mean, I'm glad to
see there's so many people over they're supporting, um, I
don't know, supporting me, and I guess, And I want
to get to the I want to get to obviously
what happened, you know on the eighteenth hold their abandoned
dunes and everything. But before I do that, I try
to be positive. It's one of the things that it's
one of the monsters I try to follow. So I
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wanted to first just focus on your week. This was
your first U s Amate or is that correct? Yes,
this is my first year then, and you I mean,
you get a run into the round of sixteen, and
I mean even in the even in the match that
you lost to Tyler stra Fosse, you were two down
with six to play. You went a couple of holes
to tie that match and get it to the eighteenth hole.
So if you would, can you just summarize the week.
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You know, what it was like to play in an
amateur what it was like to play the amateur bandon dunes,
and that round of six team match where it looked
like you were gonna lose maybe a little quicker, and
all of a sudden you battled yourself back into an
all square match. With a whole to play. Well, if
you asked me what I wanted to play, um U Sam,
before I even knew it was a plan to do,
I would have said this place because I've been here
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last year and it's just my favorite girlfriend short ever.
So I'm really glad I can't and the fact that
I played that you for the first time. It's great here.
The competition is amazing. Everyone who is here to service
and they're all good players, so it was really nice
to be up there, um fighting with the best guys
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in the world. Yeah, I mean it is, you know
what I'm just so you know. Bannon Dune is also
my favorite place in the world. I mean I had
my bachelor party there. I've been lucky enough to go,
you know, probably a dozen times or so, just with
friends and work and kind of everything that that I
do in in my life, and it is one of
my favorite places in the world. Does the golf course
translate to your game? I mean, you're from Argentina, I
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know you've you played in Wilmington's. You're in Arkansas. Now
does that golf course did it make sense to you
when you first got a chance to play it? And
is one of those places that now you've fallen in
love with the way the golf is in terms of
kind of a Link style. Uh so last year when
I play with my first experience here in Links as well,
so it was kind of hard, like the first couple
of rounds. But then after you start playing the course
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more and more, you start to make sense of what
to do and when not to do. And I think
I think Links is the nicest style of golf courses.
It's the it's the original style, right, I mean, that's
what they play in Scotland, and that's what they play
in Ireland. And now we get a chance to have
kind of a traditional Links style golf tournament with with
COVID being around, what was the weak life like in
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terms of getting abandoned dunes, you know, having somewhere to
day and also the process of getting a caddy. I mean,
if this hadn't have been a COVID year, do you
think you would have brought a friend to look for
you or was always the plan to get somebody that
that maybe was a local that knew the area. Um well,
I don't know, I guess I guess it would probably
be a friend. They just thinks thanks to me. Thanks
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got complicated with Kobe. Um it was a testing and stuff.
But I mean having a local always helves, you know,
especially in this type of courtiers that are courses that
are unknown to most guys because no, most of the
guys haven't played appendages. Yeah, you get a local caddy
brand Brand Brewer was his name correct? Yes? And uh?
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And how did the process go about obtaining the caddy?
Like what did you have to do? And how did
you guys meet and and was there initial kind of chemistry,
friendship whatever was going to go down with that? So
who was the supposed to caddy ship from my timm
at William Bull? But William his dad was gonna care
for him, so it was like a confusion. And then
I thought I could use a candy, So I talked
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to him and he he took my bag, And I
mean he's a really nice guy. We were I really
enjoyed um playing around to him. He stook out with
a lot of passion for sure. He's really passionate about
what he does. And it's said that what happened for
myself and also for him because his streams of being
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a caddy into just get shot at it. Yeah, I mean,
it seemed like you guys had maybe it seemed like
you guys were really getting along on the golf course,
and it seemed like you two maybe had similar approaches
to both golf, caddy and the whole process. I mean,
it seemed like you guys were really on the same page.
At least that's what it looked like from from TV. Yeah,
we we were a good team. I'm a great team.
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I think he was really passionate and he was trying
to keep me fired up, and I think he did
a really good job um all week until well until
the very last moment, but before I was great. Yeah,
and so now now we'll go through eighteen. I just
figured we can. We can kind of step by step
go through what happened. So you know, you you you
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tie the match on sixteen, you guys, you guys have seventeen,
you get to the par five. Eighteen. Eighteen was playing
into the win, wasn't it. It It seemed at least seemed
like that from the T shots I was. I was
watching it with a friend of mine that had gone
to Bandon once. He actually went with me for my
bachelor party. And this was, I guess four years ago.
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And not a not a great golfer. He's he's a
guy that's passionate about the game, but not great. And
he he saw her yells T shots were and he goes,
that's where I hit my T shot, and I go, yeah,
they're they're playing into a wind though. That's the that's
the big difference and and you and them is it's
a little bit of a tougher hole. So T shot
and you obviously had to lay up. And third shot
goes in the bunker, and from TV, obviously before everything
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happened with the rules, it looked like you had a
pretty you know, like tough height, just brutal lie in there.
Did it Did it look like, as you were looking
at the lie and everything that you were going to
have to go through at that fourth shot, do you
feel like it was a kind of a golf shot
you were gonna be able to get close? To be honest,
I felt like I had the I had the upper handed, taller,
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the twenty yards bunker shot into the wind up hill.
He had a downhill, down line chip shot from the
time by so decided to lie of my on the bunker.
Being a pretty weird I still felt that I had
the apprehend and you also you also had the momentum.
I mean you you would like I said, you'd fought
yourself back in the match. I mean, I'm assuming you
get to that point thinking, you know, this guy had
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a two up lead. I didn't have the two up lead.
Would it was that part of Was that playing in
at all? Yeah? I think I was playing it all
on It showed him sixteen when he missed a short put.
I think I definitely had the advantage both shuttle wise
and momentum wise. So at what point, as your looking
at the lie going up to the green, did you
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at all see Brandt messing with the sand bending down?
Did you see anything that would have given you hesitation? Like?
What did my caddie just do? Now? To be honest,
I don't. I'm usually not looking and my caddy trying
to prepare him from doing something illegal. So I was
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just I went to the flag, came back. As you
can see on TV, I I was checking the line.
A club started doing swings. Well, I'm doing swings and
trying to feel my shot. On TV A showed that
on the side of Brand's failing the sand, and I
I didn't know I like, I even didn't even see him,
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so I'm about to hit the shot, and then the
refree comes and he says he asked my caddy, what
do you do? And I'm like, what did he do?
So I had no clue, and then well she faces
done it stepped in start um making accusations and U
and then they told me that it was spite clear
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on TV. So, I mean, there's nothing I could do
at the point, but the factcceptum, the fact that I
was I was done for the tournament. At what point
during all of that did you realize internally, damn? I
just I just I just lost this match. I mean,
at what point during the process of the ref and
the caddies having the conversation, did you know this is it?
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This is over. I mean, this is match play and
it's a loss of hole. Yeah, when when the referee
said we had it, we have it on TV and
as spirit clear, and I realized that was So that's
the whole because of how much players. So I mean,
I just took off my hat and and chooky hand.
We're gonna take a quick break and be right back.
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You mentioned, you know the text messages you received, you
know the messages on social media. I mean it's very positive.
I mean, I think people have really appreciated and respected
the way you handled the situation. What I think I
found so impressive you being such a young man, is
the way you you handled it initially. I mean, everybody
can take five, ten twenty minutes, you know, take a
couple of deep breaths and walk back out and have
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a conversation about it. But I mean, you got interviewed
right there about what went down, and you didn't. You know,
you didn't throw brand under the bus. You were very
you were just very respectful of the whole situation. How
are you able to do that? Because if I was
you in my twenty year old self, I'm not sure
I would have been able to handle it the way
you handled I know I wouldn't have been able to
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handle it the way you handled it. Yeah, to be honest,
it was everything happened so quick. I just didn't have
an attempt to think I was just doing myself. I
guess um. So I tried to look at the positive
things of the weekend, and I had a great time
this week regardless of the d ending. So I guess
this that's what I showed up in a May interview
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US or The Guy Week did I had Did you
have a conversation at some point after everything settled, the
dust settled, did you ever have a chance to chat
with Brandon just kind of go through what went down
on his side? Yeah? I called him um after and uh,
he was really really sad about what happened. He was
apologizing to me. He he wanted to win as much
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as I did. As I told you, he was really
passionate guy. So he was all about winning the trophy
and he was us up said as someone can be
from the situation I happened. He obviously didn't do it
on purpose. He was he didn't knew the rule. That's
that's a problem. Yeah, So I mean he that's I
think that's the thing that people have been a bit
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confused about is you've got, you know, a young man
that is cattying in an enormous championship, means the oldest
championship in American golf, and you know he has he
does something wrong on the last hole, and he's the
guy everybody's blaming. And what I think, Hey, we were
talking about the way you handled it. You're not blaming him.
Which is which takes you know, a higher road approach.
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And secondly, he obviously is upset at himself for what
went down. But what seems like has been the case
is Brandt didn't know he was doing something wrong. I mean,
is that fair to say about what he was doing
in the bunker. That's what I think when I look
at the biggest because he called me. When I called him,
he said, I can go in the bunker. I'm just
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stand there. But and he thought that if he could
stand on the bunker, he could also that's the same
um So I mean for anyone who competes in golf,
it's pretty easy to say that does not actually illegal.
But it was his first major championship. He's only been
county recreational, know, I mean, he just didn't know. And
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you looking back on the week, you know, you make
it to the round of sixteen, you have a chance
to advance into the quarterfinals, you're playing Bannondones, you're playing
a US amateur, you're representing Argentina. I mean, it's all
these things that you had the opportunity to do at
such a young age. When you look back a year
from now, two years from now, what will you take
away from this week in terms of who you are,
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the type of player you are, and who you'll be
as you move forward. I don't know. I guess I'll
call you back in two years and I can talk
about it. I mean, well, we'll do it too. He
can do it in two years. Maybe maybe you're maybe
you're maybe we're having this conversation and without the rules
thing about the Masters or the US Open, you know,
I mean that that might be our year, our conversation
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in two years, you know, hopefully. I mean, I'm just
gonna I'm just gonna keep doing the thing and keep
trying to get better and come back next year. And
when time. Growing up in Argentina, I can only imagine
that you had some heroes you looked up to in
the golf world. Who is somebody that either got you
interested in the game or somebody that you looked at
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Is that's who I want to be at some point
as a as a golfer and as a person. Well, uh,
the one who got interested got me interesting in the game.
It's like that. Um, we would just go play every
afternoon until dark, even in the winter and it was freezing,
and he would just be next to me and we
were just walking balls. So he's kind of like my
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hero that way. Um, but my the guy that I
wanted to be always just been Unha Cabra, you know,
two major champion. He's he's a beast, and I just
try to do what he does. Course, yeah, I was
gonna say, I mean, you're I'm assuming your age. You
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probably were a kid when he wanted Oakmont, right, I
mean you had to been a young kid getting a
chance to watch this guy battle Tiger Woods at oak
Band and then of course, you know in the playoffs
at the Masters. I mean, these are the two biggest
events in the world and the Sky wins both of them.
He uh, he had to have been an inspiration for
the country. I just I can only imagine that there's
probably a big golf contingent from Argentina that saw what
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he did and said I can do that as well. Yeah,
he's from my hometownis well, who last, You're from the
same golf club. So we played before. We both came
in the same plane to the US on Chelo this
year and we talked a lot. He shared a lot
of good stories, um that I learned a lot about
and the es he texted me. He essecially watching the mansion.
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He texts me, he told me another war about that.
I have a career held me and that is his starting.
Outside of Cabrera texting you, who else? Who else that
what people would know? You know, maybe if that's famous
or a golfer or something like that. Who else randomly
has sent you a note about everything that went down
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over the last day. I truly don't know. I just
got so many messages. I haven't right. I saw that
my phone has been blowing up for the past um
past twelve hours, but I haven't been able to check
anything or like, I've been trying to get relaxed and
get away a little bit from this situation. Where have
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you been? Did you are you? Are you still abandoned dunes?
Or you have you left? What's what's the next plan? Well?
I love this place, man, I'm saying today to playing
around or sheep Ranch, I don't know, You're gonna go
play some more golf. I love it so so maybe
sheep Ranch, maybe Old Mac, maybe both. Yeah. I mean
I'm gonna play a match against my teammates Julium Perry,
because it's gonna be the real match we're gonna be
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streaming in live. We might have to might have to
see if NBC can send a camera over and get
get get a feel for get a feel for how
the battle goes. I was out there, Uh, I guess
I was out there two months ago and got a
chance to play Sheep Ranch a couple of times. And uh,
and let me just say, make sure your phone's charge
because you're gonna be taking a pretty good amount of
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pictures and videos as you play that place. The views
there are absolutely ridiculous. But it's uh, it's been I
know it's been a crazy Like I said last day,
I know it's been a crazy last few hours. I
appreciate you taking just a few minutes to talk about it.
I Uh, I always have impressed by young people that
can handle stuff like an adult. And I think I
speak for everybody in the golf world when I say
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that is maybe the lightest way of of approaching what
you did. You handled it with grace and dignity, your
kind to somebody that I think a lot of people
maybe would have been upset with. So you know, this
is one of those moments that while it can be
a negative, you know, losing a golf match is never
a positive, but I feel like when you look at
the bigger picture, you know, this could be one of
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those moments that you can really look at and go,
I grew from this, you know, I learned from this,
and other people watching will do the same. So I
think you pat yourself on the back and say good job,
because you know, not every not everybody leaves an event
a winner, but I feel like you're leaving this event
a winner in a certain ways. So I appreciate you
just being being the guy yard Man. It was. It
was great to see, you know, something positive out of
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a tough situation. Well, thank you very much for the compliment. Uh, yeah,
you're being so nice of me. I was really nice
talking to you, and uh and yeah, it work excuted
to see maybe maybe you and on Hill will be
flying on a plane together to major championships and beyond.
You know, you never know. I mean, that's if you
got a buddy. Let me say this is a little
piece of advice. I'm gonna give you that. I still
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I'm at thirty six years old, still haven't accomplished. But
if you've got a friend that has a private plane
or flies private, be really good friends with that guy.
That's way better than than than everything else. So just
don't ever mess that relationship up. You always want to
want to keep that going. You know. Yeah, I'll fly
with you. Shure. That sounds great. So there you go.
You already have a one year you're one up on
me in my in our life match, you know. All right, Well,
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thank you very much for the for a piece of mynding.
It takes someone who who wants a private jet as
if they won't be my friends. Awesome, Thanks so much, man.
I appreciate it. I appreciate you're you're calling me. It's
been a great time. We're gonna take a quick break
and be right back. A big thanks to Segundo for
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coming on. A big thanks to the U. S g.
A for helping out, including Robbie zels Nick who was
so gracious and setting this up. Thank you guys for
listening and make sure if you could, if you've got
two minutes, just send the young man. Thank you, send
the young man a congrats, send the young man and
had a boy. I can't stress how important is to
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hear those things when something devastating in your career happens.
You know, I mean, he's he's young, he's gonna be
a junior in college. But this was a chance. I mean,
you're you're, you're playing in a championship where history has
been made, in history has made every year. You know,
this is a championship where the trophy says Jack Nicholas
and Tiger Woods and Phil Nicholson, and that is just
naming a very small legion of legends that have won
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this championship and they have a Myer trophies. So to
have a chance to to be in that round of
sixteen and to have a legit chance of continuing to
move on and potentially get into the finals, you know,
and get a Master's invite in the US Open invite,
and to maybe win this thing and and forever be
known as US Amateur Champion, that's a huge deal. And
so you know, losing a match because of the rules
in fraction is a bummer. And luckily we have a
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young man that handled it graciously and handled it the
right way. So thank you guys for listening. Always appreciate it.
We'll be back next week. We got David McClay kid
coming on early next week just to recap Bannon Dunes,
highlighted you know US g A championship in the US
Amateur you know his baby, his his beauty. I've chatted
with him a little bit via text and excited to
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talk to him. I've never had him on so that'll
be fun. So that is early in the week, just
kind of just kind of talking about what it was
like to see Bannon Dunes showcase this way and uh
and yeah. So that'll be next week, but enjoy your weekend.
We'll be back very soon. The Clubhouse was Shane Bacon
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Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon, a production of
I Heart Radio Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon.
I am your host, Shane Bacon, and this surprise Friday
episode actually is from a bummer moment. I guess you
(00:21):
could say from the US Amateur around of sixteen. If
you missed this, if you've been living under a rock
in terms of the golf media world the last day,
maybe you missed what happened on Thursday night. This was
you know, West Coast prime time around a sixteen matches
at the US Amateur bandon Dunes. And there was a
young man from Argentina playing Tyler Strafosse in their match,
(00:44):
and uh, his name is Segundo Olivo Pinto and he
was two down with six holes to play, and he
battles his way back. Winds were blowing, It was blowing
like thirty five hour. Nobody was making any putts, everybody
was missing five footers. It was playing brutal and he
clawed his way back into the match. You win six
team with a par they have seventeen, and we're all
(01:06):
square going into the part five, eighteen pole and that's
where all the drama, Uh, started, both players right up
by the green and three and uh Pinto was in
the bunker and St Fosse was just off the green,
and unfortunately Pinto's caddie, a young man named Brandt Brewer,
got into the bunker and tested the conditions of the
sand with his hand and was caught on camera, and
(01:28):
Tyler's dad ran over immediately saw what happened, brought the
rules official in and of course, in match play, when
something like that happens, it's the loss of hole. And
when you're playing the eighteenth hole, there's no more holes
to make up rooms, so that's not just a loss
of hole, but that was a loss of of the match.
So St Fosse moves on, you know, into the quarterfinals,
and and Pinto was left, you know, have an answer
a whole bunch of questions, including questions for me about
(01:50):
what happened. And I was offered the opportunity to give it,
to have a chat with them about, you know, his
approach following the drama, how he handled it so professionally
and and just so maturely. I just I know, I
know twenty year old Shane Bacon would have had a
(02:10):
chance to take a couple of minutes and at least
answer the questions, you know, without having to throw anybody
under the bus or just slip up and say something,
because you'd be mad, you'd be upset, you'd be frustrated.
And Signdo didn't do any of that. I I was.
I was blown away by how gracious he was in
his defeat and understanding the rules of golf and knowing
(02:33):
that that's what it is and sometimes stuff happens. And
so when when you when something bad goes down and
you can find positive in it, you know, that's what
I want to highlight in this sport. That's what I
want to highlight in golf. I want to find the
people that are either doing good or being good and
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presenting their story and so this was an opportunity to
do that. If you haven't seen what went down on eighteen,
I will tweet this out as well at Shane Bacon
and from the Clubhouse Pod account at the Clubhouse Pod,
so I'll get that out for you guys. But I
just figured this was a conversation worth having and uh
and I thought people out there that have been consuming
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a lot of the information about everything that went down
in the round of sixtea match would have a chance
to hear from the man himself. So that's what this is.
I hope you guys are having a good week. I
hope you guys have a good weekend, and we'll be
back next week. But yeah, this was a surprise episode
and it's not overly long. I'm sure that's good for
you guys, but I knew people would be excited about it.
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So here we go, and we welcome into the clubhouse
a man that has been in the news the last
day or so, not for anything he did or anything
he didn't do, just for his great play and of
course an unfortunate situation. Segundo Olivo Pinto. I appreciate you
taking the time. I know obviously the last probably twelve
hours have been an unbelievable whirlwind for you. What have
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been like basically from yesterday afternoon into Friday, Well, it's
being pretty crazy, uh, getting all this message after the
big situation that we had on eighteen years and that
um on, my friends and family and loads of other
people were there to send for me and tell me
how much the thing that the situation that I did
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really well in it. So I mean, I'm glad to
see there's so many people over they're supporting, um, I
don't know, supporting me, and I guess, And I want
to get to the I want to get to obviously
what happened, you know on the eighteenth hold their abandoned
dunes and everything. But before I do that, I try
to be positive. It's one of the things that it's
one of the monsters I try to follow. So I
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wanted to first just focus on your week. This was
your first U s Amate or is that correct? Yes,
this is my first year then, and you I mean,
you get a run into the round of sixteen, and
I mean even in the even in the match that
you lost to Tyler stra Fosse, you were two down
with six to play. You went a couple of holes
to tie that match and get it to the eighteenth hole.
So if you would, can you just summarize the week.
(05:05):
You know, what it was like to play in an
amateur what it was like to play the amateur bandon dunes,
and that round of six team match where it looked
like you were gonna lose maybe a little quicker, and
all of a sudden you battled yourself back into an
all square match. With a whole to play. Well, if
you asked me what I wanted to play, um U Sam,
before I even knew it was a plan to do,
I would have said this place because I've been here
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last year and it's just my favorite girlfriend short ever.
So I'm really glad I can't and the fact that
I played that you for the first time. It's great here.
The competition is amazing. Everyone who is here to service
and they're all good players, so it was really nice
to be up there, um fighting with the best guys
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in the world. Yeah, I mean it is, you know
what I'm just so you know. Bannon Dune is also
my favorite place in the world. I mean I had
my bachelor party there. I've been lucky enough to go,
you know, probably a dozen times or so, just with
friends and work and kind of everything that that I
do in in my life, and it is one of
my favorite places in the world. Does the golf course
translate to your game? I mean, you're from Argentina, I
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know you've you played in Wilmington's. You're in Arkansas. Now
does that golf course did it make sense to you
when you first got a chance to play it? And
is one of those places that now you've fallen in
love with the way the golf is in terms of
kind of a Link style. Uh so last year when
I play with my first experience here in Links as well,
so it was kind of hard, like the first couple
of rounds. But then after you start playing the course
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more and more, you start to make sense of what
to do and when not to do. And I think
I think Links is the nicest style of golf courses.
It's the it's the original style, right, I mean, that's
what they play in Scotland, and that's what they play
in Ireland. And now we get a chance to have
kind of a traditional Links style golf tournament with with
COVID being around, what was the weak life like in
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terms of getting abandoned dunes, you know, having somewhere to
day and also the process of getting a caddy. I mean,
if this hadn't have been a COVID year, do you
think you would have brought a friend to look for
you or was always the plan to get somebody that
that maybe was a local that knew the area. Um well,
I don't know, I guess I guess it would probably
be a friend. They just thinks thanks to me. Thanks
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got complicated with Kobe. Um it was a testing and stuff.
But I mean having a local always helves, you know,
especially in this type of courtiers that are courses that
are unknown to most guys because no, most of the
guys haven't played appendages. Yeah, you get a local caddy
brand Brand Brewer was his name correct? Yes? And uh?
(07:42):
And how did the process go about obtaining the caddy?
Like what did you have to do? And how did
you guys meet and and was there initial kind of chemistry,
friendship whatever was going to go down with that? So
who was the supposed to caddy ship from my timm
at William Bull? But William his dad was gonna care
for him, so it was like a confusion. And then
I thought I could use a candy, So I talked
(08:05):
to him and he he took my bag, And I
mean he's a really nice guy. We were I really
enjoyed um playing around to him. He stook out with
a lot of passion for sure. He's really passionate about
what he does. And it's said that what happened for
myself and also for him because his streams of being
(08:25):
a caddy into just get shot at it. Yeah, I mean,
it seemed like you guys had maybe it seemed like
you guys were really getting along on the golf course,
and it seemed like you two maybe had similar approaches
to both golf, caddy and the whole process. I mean,
it seemed like you guys were really on the same page.
At least that's what it looked like from from TV. Yeah,
we we were a good team. I'm a great team.
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I think he was really passionate and he was trying
to keep me fired up, and I think he did
a really good job um all week until well until
the very last moment, but before I was great. Yeah,
and so now now we'll go through eighteen. I just
figured we can. We can kind of step by step
go through what happened. So you know, you you you
(09:08):
tie the match on sixteen, you guys, you guys have seventeen,
you get to the par five. Eighteen. Eighteen was playing
into the win, wasn't it. It It seemed at least seemed
like that from the T shots I was. I was
watching it with a friend of mine that had gone
to Bandon once. He actually went with me for my
bachelor party. And this was, I guess four years ago.
(09:29):
And not a not a great golfer. He's he's a
guy that's passionate about the game, but not great. And
he he saw her yells T shots were and he goes,
that's where I hit my T shot, and I go, yeah,
they're they're playing into a wind though. That's the that's
the big difference and and you and them is it's
a little bit of a tougher hole. So T shot
and you obviously had to lay up. And third shot
goes in the bunker, and from TV, obviously before everything
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happened with the rules, it looked like you had a
pretty you know, like tough height, just brutal lie in there.
Did it Did it look like, as you were looking
at the lie and everything that you were going to
have to go through at that fourth shot, do you
feel like it was a kind of a golf shot
you were gonna be able to get close? To be honest,
I felt like I had the I had the upper handed, taller,
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the twenty yards bunker shot into the wind up hill.
He had a downhill, down line chip shot from the
time by so decided to lie of my on the bunker.
Being a pretty weird I still felt that I had
the apprehend and you also you also had the momentum.
I mean you you would like I said, you'd fought
yourself back in the match. I mean, I'm assuming you
get to that point thinking, you know, this guy had
(10:38):
a two up lead. I didn't have the two up lead.
Would it was that part of Was that playing in
at all? Yeah? I think I was playing it all
on It showed him sixteen when he missed a short put.
I think I definitely had the advantage both shuttle wise
and momentum wise. So at what point, as your looking
at the lie going up to the green, did you
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at all see Brandt messing with the sand bending down?
Did you see anything that would have given you hesitation? Like?
What did my caddie just do? Now? To be honest,
I don't. I'm usually not looking and my caddy trying
to prepare him from doing something illegal. So I was
(11:20):
just I went to the flag, came back. As you
can see on TV, I I was checking the line.
A club started doing swings. Well, I'm doing swings and
trying to feel my shot. On TV A showed that
on the side of Brand's failing the sand, and I
I didn't know I like, I even didn't even see him,
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so I'm about to hit the shot, and then the
refree comes and he says he asked my caddy, what
do you do? And I'm like, what did he do?
So I had no clue, and then well she faces
done it stepped in start um making accusations and U
and then they told me that it was spite clear
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on TV. So, I mean, there's nothing I could do
at the point, but the factcceptum, the fact that I
was I was done for the tournament. At what point
during all of that did you realize internally, damn? I
just I just I just lost this match. I mean,
at what point during the process of the ref and
the caddies having the conversation, did you know this is it?
(12:25):
This is over. I mean, this is match play and
it's a loss of hole. Yeah, when when the referee
said we had it, we have it on TV and
as spirit clear, and I realized that was So that's
the whole because of how much players. So I mean,
I just took off my hat and and chooky hand.
We're gonna take a quick break and be right back.
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You mentioned, you know the text messages you received, you
know the messages on social media. I mean it's very positive.
I mean, I think people have really appreciated and respected
the way you handled the situation. What I think I
found so impressive you being such a young man, is
the way you you handled it initially. I mean, everybody
can take five, ten twenty minutes, you know, take a
couple of deep breaths and walk back out and have
(13:23):
a conversation about it. But I mean, you got interviewed
right there about what went down, and you didn't. You know,
you didn't throw brand under the bus. You were very
you were just very respectful of the whole situation. How
are you able to do that? Because if I was
you in my twenty year old self, I'm not sure
I would have been able to handle it the way
you handled I know I wouldn't have been able to
(13:43):
handle it the way you handled it. Yeah, to be honest,
it was everything happened so quick. I just didn't have
an attempt to think I was just doing myself. I
guess um. So I tried to look at the positive
things of the weekend, and I had a great time
this week regardless of the d ending. So I guess
this that's what I showed up in a May interview
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US or The Guy Week did I had Did you
have a conversation at some point after everything settled, the
dust settled, did you ever have a chance to chat
with Brandon just kind of go through what went down
on his side? Yeah? I called him um after and uh,
he was really really sad about what happened. He was
apologizing to me. He he wanted to win as much
(14:29):
as I did. As I told you, he was really
passionate guy. So he was all about winning the trophy
and he was us up said as someone can be
from the situation I happened. He obviously didn't do it
on purpose. He was he didn't knew the rule. That's
that's a problem. Yeah, So I mean he that's I
think that's the thing that people have been a bit
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confused about is you've got, you know, a young man
that is cattying in an enormous championship, means the oldest
championship in American golf, and you know he has he
does something wrong on the last hole, and he's the
guy everybody's blaming. And what I think, Hey, we were
talking about the way you handled it. You're not blaming him.
Which is which takes you know, a higher road approach.
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And secondly, he obviously is upset at himself for what
went down. But what seems like has been the case
is Brandt didn't know he was doing something wrong. I mean,
is that fair to say about what he was doing
in the bunker. That's what I think when I look
at the biggest because he called me. When I called him,
he said, I can go in the bunker. I'm just
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stand there. But and he thought that if he could
stand on the bunker, he could also that's the same
um So I mean for anyone who competes in golf,
it's pretty easy to say that does not actually illegal.
But it was his first major championship. He's only been
county recreational, know, I mean, he just didn't know. And
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you looking back on the week, you know, you make
it to the round of sixteen, you have a chance
to advance into the quarterfinals, you're playing Bannondones, you're playing
a US amateur, you're representing Argentina. I mean, it's all
these things that you had the opportunity to do at
such a young age. When you look back a year
from now, two years from now, what will you take
away from this week in terms of who you are,
(16:23):
the type of player you are, and who you'll be
as you move forward. I don't know. I guess I'll
call you back in two years and I can talk
about it. I mean, well, we'll do it too. He
can do it in two years. Maybe maybe you're maybe
you're maybe we're having this conversation and without the rules
thing about the Masters or the US Open, you know,
I mean that that might be our year, our conversation
(16:44):
in two years, you know, hopefully. I mean, I'm just
gonna I'm just gonna keep doing the thing and keep
trying to get better and come back next year. And
when time. Growing up in Argentina, I can only imagine
that you had some heroes you looked up to in
the golf world. Who is somebody that either got you
interested in the game or somebody that you looked at
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Is that's who I want to be at some point
as a as a golfer and as a person. Well, uh,
the one who got interested got me interesting in the game.
It's like that. Um, we would just go play every
afternoon until dark, even in the winter and it was freezing,
and he would just be next to me and we
were just walking balls. So he's kind of like my
(17:28):
hero that way. Um, but my the guy that I
wanted to be always just been Unha Cabra, you know,
two major champion. He's he's a beast, and I just
try to do what he does. Course, yeah, I was
gonna say, I mean, you're I'm assuming your age. You
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probably were a kid when he wanted Oakmont, right, I
mean you had to been a young kid getting a
chance to watch this guy battle Tiger Woods at oak
Band and then of course, you know in the playoffs
at the Masters. I mean, these are the two biggest
events in the world and the Sky wins both of them.
He uh, he had to have been an inspiration for
the country. I just I can only imagine that there's
probably a big golf contingent from Argentina that saw what
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he did and said I can do that as well. Yeah,
he's from my hometownis well, who last, You're from the
same golf club. So we played before. We both came
in the same plane to the US on Chelo this
year and we talked a lot. He shared a lot
of good stories, um that I learned a lot about
and the es he texted me. He essecially watching the mansion.
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He texts me, he told me another war about that.
I have a career held me and that is his starting.
Outside of Cabrera texting you, who else? Who else that
what people would know? You know, maybe if that's famous
or a golfer or something like that. Who else randomly
has sent you a note about everything that went down
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over the last day. I truly don't know. I just
got so many messages. I haven't right. I saw that
my phone has been blowing up for the past um
past twelve hours, but I haven't been able to check
anything or like, I've been trying to get relaxed and
get away a little bit from this situation. Where have
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you been? Did you are you? Are you still abandoned dunes?
Or you have you left? What's what's the next plan? Well?
I love this place, man, I'm saying today to playing
around or sheep Ranch, I don't know, You're gonna go
play some more golf. I love it so so maybe
sheep Ranch, maybe Old Mac, maybe both. Yeah. I mean
I'm gonna play a match against my teammates Julium Perry,
because it's gonna be the real match we're gonna be
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streaming in live. We might have to might have to
see if NBC can send a camera over and get
get get a feel for get a feel for how
the battle goes. I was out there, Uh, I guess
I was out there two months ago and got a
chance to play Sheep Ranch a couple of times. And uh,
and let me just say, make sure your phone's charge
because you're gonna be taking a pretty good amount of
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pictures and videos as you play that place. The views
there are absolutely ridiculous. But it's uh, it's been I
know it's been a crazy Like I said last day,
I know it's been a crazy last few hours. I
appreciate you taking just a few minutes to talk about it.
I Uh, I always have impressed by young people that
can handle stuff like an adult. And I think I
speak for everybody in the golf world when I say
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that is maybe the lightest way of of approaching what
you did. You handled it with grace and dignity, your
kind to somebody that I think a lot of people
maybe would have been upset with. So you know, this
is one of those moments that while it can be
a negative, you know, losing a golf match is never
a positive, but I feel like when you look at
the bigger picture, you know, this could be one of
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those moments that you can really look at and go,
I grew from this, you know, I learned from this,
and other people watching will do the same. So I
think you pat yourself on the back and say good job,
because you know, not every not everybody leaves an event
a winner, but I feel like you're leaving this event
a winner in a certain ways. So I appreciate you
just being being the guy yard Man. It was. It
was great to see, you know, something positive out of
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a tough situation. Well, thank you very much for the compliment. Uh, yeah,
you're being so nice of me. I was really nice
talking to you, and uh and yeah, it work excuted
to see maybe maybe you and on Hill will be
flying on a plane together to major championships and beyond.
You know, you never know. I mean, that's if you
got a buddy. Let me say this is a little
piece of advice. I'm gonna give you that. I still
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I'm at thirty six years old, still haven't accomplished. But
if you've got a friend that has a private plane
or flies private, be really good friends with that guy.
That's way better than than than everything else. So just
don't ever mess that relationship up. You always want to
want to keep that going. You know. Yeah, I'll fly
with you. Shure. That sounds great. So there you go.
You already have a one year you're one up on
me in my in our life match, you know. All right, Well,
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thank you very much for the for a piece of mynding.
It takes someone who who wants a private jet as
if they won't be my friends. Awesome, Thanks so much, man.
I appreciate it. I appreciate you're you're calling me. It's
been a great time. We're gonna take a quick break
and be right back. A big thanks to Segundo for
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coming on. A big thanks to the U. S g.
A for helping out, including Robbie zels Nick who was
so gracious and setting this up. Thank you guys for
listening and make sure if you could, if you've got
two minutes, just send the young man. Thank you, send
the young man a congrats, send the young man and
had a boy. I can't stress how important is to
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hear those things when something devastating in your career happens.
You know, I mean, he's he's young, he's gonna be
a junior in college. But this was a chance. I mean,
you're you're, you're playing in a championship where history has
been made, in history has made every year. You know,
this is a championship where the trophy says Jack Nicholas
and Tiger Woods and Phil Nicholson, and that is just
naming a very small legion of legends that have won
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this championship and they have a Myer trophies. So to
have a chance to to be in that round of
sixteen and to have a legit chance of continuing to
move on and potentially get into the finals, you know,
and get a Master's invite in the US Open invite,
and to maybe win this thing and and forever be
known as US Amateur Champion, that's a huge deal. And
so you know, losing a match because of the rules
in fraction is a bummer. And luckily we have a
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young man that handled it graciously and handled it the
right way. So thank you guys for listening. Always appreciate it.
We'll be back next week. We got David McClay kid
coming on early next week just to recap Bannon Dunes,
highlighted you know US g A championship in the US
Amateur you know his baby, his his beauty. I've chatted
with him a little bit via text and excited to
(23:41):
talk to him. I've never had him on so that'll
be fun. So that is early in the week, just
kind of just kind of talking about what it was
like to see Bannon Dunes showcase this way and uh
and yeah. So that'll be next week, but enjoy your weekend.
We'll be back very soon. The Clubhouse was Shane Bacon
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