November 5, 2020 • 43 mins
In this episode of the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon, Shane is joined by PGA TOUR Champions player, Brett Quigley. Brett opens up talking with Shane about his transition to the PGA TOUR Champions, and the draw Phil Mickelson brings to that tour. Then Brett shares how his journey's. been different than most and also, weighs in on the distance takeover. Follow Shane on Twitter @ShaneBacon.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon, a production of
I Heart Radio. Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon.
I am your host, Shane Bacon, and we've got a
good one this week. Brett Quigley, one earlier this year
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on the Champions Tour stopped by. He actually stopped by
in person socially distance, of course, but he stopped buying
person as the Champions Tour this week is concluding their
season at Phoenix Country Club, where I play my golf
here in the Arizona area. So Quicks came over and
we chatted about his time working alongside the Fox crew
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and myself, you know, during his run there and then
this winning the second event that he played in on
PGA Tour Champions and now feeling, you know, like he's
a part of the mix as he is, and uh
I talked about this on the podcast with Quigley. But
I played a lot of golf with Brett over the
last two two and a half years, considering we were
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on the road a lot together, and I feel like
myself Mark Loomis, facts in Julie Inkster on down the
list people that got a chance to play with them.
We were all amazed and floored and how good he
was now effortless, it looked. So it's no surprise to
us the year he's having on the PGA Tour champions Uh.
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But it's fun to see, fun to see good people,
good things happening to good people. So hope you enjoy it.
Here we go with Brett Quickly and we welcome to
the clubhouse for the first time. And in person about
you know, eight feet away from each other. I think
that's that's okay, that's about the number, Brett Quickly, what's up, Quicks?
Not much. I'm glad we don't have a tape measure,
but I'm guessing eight or nine feet, So that's good.
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And in person is really fantastic. Way better for interview
I did. I did an interview today earlier that will
come out in a couple of weeks. That was a
great interview. But just getting a chance to do in
person versus phone, especial to with somebody you know, is
a is a nice thing. Of course, Brett Quigley has
had a great run on the on the Champions Tour.
You turned fifty August eighteenth of nineteen, right, and you
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won your second Champions Tour event. Yes, I did. That
was the that was in Morocco, and and I was
reading a little bit about just some of your quotes
after and you said you didn't um. You were like,
I didn't really get nervous until the last part. You
had what probably six seven eight ft for par I
did I had? Yeah, I mean so yes, it's a
short answer. I ran, I ran about a thirty ft
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or six ft by and I was like, oh my gosh,
here we go. I need to make this because I
don't want to go into the playoff and and somehow
made it dead center. So you know, we worked together
for a number of years at Fox, and it was
always you, Me, Facts and our producer Mark Loomis were
kind of the four that would sneak away and go
play golf. And you know, you were in your late forties,
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and I'd kind of gone through the same thing with Flesh.
You know, Flesh was a part of the broadcast crew
when he was like forty. Karen did the same thing. Uh,
and both players, obviously, you know, go to the Champions
Tour and their full time players and they're having a
ton of success. You are a guy that battled injury
during your PGA Tour career. You know you I think
your last win before the Champions Tour event was that
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oh one, Is that what it was? I want to
remember guests along the way. You want some events, but
you know, I mean, I feel like those were two guys.
You know, Flesh had had the pedigree on the PGA Tour.
Mccaren was was a good player that people. I think
I felt like was in physical shape to do well
when he turned fifty he went to the Champions Tour.
You're a guy that we were around and Louis and
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I were like, this dude's gonna kill it when he
gets out there, as long as he's healthy and he
kind of believes in himself. How did you find success
so fast considering that you had a break from kind
of the competitive world you were out there, you know,
you're you're leaning on money as as a as a
way to get into these events, you know, kind of
your money list during your your PGA Tour time. How
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did you find success so fast? I think it's a
combination of things. I was really working towards getting to
fifty years old. I mean, the last five years I
was working on on my game, working on every aspect
of the game. Uh. You mentioned Loumi um and facts
and playing a lot of golf with you two and
and that um the work for Fox in the U
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s J. Also, I think helped me mentally to see, Hey,
guys that are winning championships or big tournaments aren't always
playing perfect golf. And I think, uh, in my PGA
Tour career, certainly if if um, I'm gonna say I
was disappointed with it. I always thought it had to
be better than it was. I thought there had to
be perfection in there for guys that win each week,
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and that's not the case at all. And I think
that helped me realize that. Two. And then getting in
the Morocco tournament literally three weeks before the tournament, I
didn't know I was going to be in the in
the tournament, I get in um kind of last minute,
and I just viewed it as a free week. I said, Okay,
let's go and re see if I can finish top ten.
Somehow gotten the last group after two rounds and then
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played great golf. Yeah. I mean you shot six under
the final round, I think, and it was kind of
a battle with aims and obviously you win but it's
what I find cool. You know, I had Sophia pop
off on the clubhouse after she won the Women's British Open.
You know, a crazy good story, really the kind of
story that makes golf so great. I mean, I literally
just got goose bumps. But think thinking about it, I mean,
these are the stories that we love to see, and
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I feel like only happen in golf. But you're not
a guy. It's like you haven't just one. I mean,
this is your two thousand events, win, a second of third,
four top tens and six top twenty five. You know,
you're kind of making Loumi and I look really smart.
I'm here for you guys. I know, yeah, I appreciate it,
but I mean, you know, it's it's been I don't
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want to say it's been relatively easy, but you're I
guess your skills and the work you put in sure
have seemed to work out, you know, over the over
the last you know, twelve months or so. It's funny
you say, um, not easy, because so I obviously when
Morocco come out, play well the next couple of weeks,
then we shut down for for covid um and then
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come right back and have a chance to win our
first event and Furk beats me on the last hole there, um,
and for me to play maybe backtrack a little. For
me to play well, I need to not goof around.
Not that it's I don't care, because you obviously care,
but if when I take it too seriously, I don't
perform well. Um, And it just put unnecessary pressure myself
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instead of just playing golf. And then after um, I
finished second to Ferich, I'm leading the money list, and
thereone's like, oh my gosh, you need to do this,
or you need to do that, or you need to
reset your goals. And then for me to start thinking
about results instead of thinking about my process and just
having fun and and and going through the stuff that
I know that I need to do in order to
perform well. I kind of got out of that routine.
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In in the last couple of weeks, I've gotten back
into just doing what I need to do to play well.
Has it been weird? Has it been weird for you?
Going from you know, twenty nineteen and you're doing you know,
these random us GA events with US and you're doing
the US Open and you're you know, you're doing these
US juniors and you're popping around to these small cities
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and now I mean you're getting media request and you're
having new press conferences and you're a mar Keete player
on the banners when you drive into these golf courses.
I mean, has that been strange this year? It is
a little surreal. You can you can hear my smile there. Um, yes,
because two years ago, last year, we were doing events
in the rule of nowhere from the US Stevens I mean,
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and having fun, right, and I certainly enjoyed my time
doing that and and enjoy being with you guys because
it was a fun crew and we always had fun
doing it. Um. And now all of a sudden, um
to be you know, I mean, the guys that have
come out this year, whether it's Michelson, Els Furik, and
then to be included in that group is is really cool.
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I mean, and it's it's um, it's a great experience.
I'm I'm at. I'm not gonna say I'm happy that
I'm happy that I'm there. I'm I'm okay that I'm there.
I don't know if that makes sense. I'm um, I'm
more comfortable being comfortable the right word. It feels like,
well again, I mean I was never sure, and I'm
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guessing the answer is yes, But I was never sure
if you saw what we saw in your own game,
because you know what I mean, quicks, when I play
with you, I mean, you know, we know Brad facts
in short game. Trust me, we hear about it about
every angle possible in golf. But you're one of the
best putters I've ever played golf with. And you're pitching,
pitching around the greens. You know facts, and would would
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openly say, I mean he's this is just about as
good as putters I've ever played with. And I mean
that coming from you know, kind of the guy that
that is the legend with the flat stick. I mean
this you grew up with with, Brad. I mean, this
was a guy that you grew up with. I mean,
when can you tell the story of you guys and
just how how your lives have just kind of entangled
throughout the years our lives have. I mean, he's like
a big brother to me. Um he my dad caddy
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for Brad, Brad caddy for my dad, drawing up. I
grew up catting for Brad, um my dad, my uncle Dana.
Um facts and myself all went to the the same high school,
same high school golf coach. So we've we've have a
we have a lot of history, um together. So and
I grew up around Billy Andre too, who was also
one of the best putters, the chippers and putters of
all time. Um. And so it's just it wasn't a
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big deal. It was like, hey, those guys are doing it.
I can do it. Yeah, I can. I grew up
watching those guys doing it, and it wasn't a big
deal to get up and down from a place you
wouldn't think normally you can do that. Um. But maybe
back to your to your point, I think, Um, I've
always heard it from my uncle Dan and my dad
that I'm that I've I've got the ability to do it,
and I'm not sure. I always deep down believed it,
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and now I think I know that I can do it.
And I'm kind of behaving like that if that's the
right way to say it. Not not a cocky way,
but like, hey, okay, my good is good enough. Where Um,
if I play well, I've got a chance to be
near the top at the end. Yeah, like you go.
I mean, this week you're playing famous counch Club where
I played off. Unfortunately, I'm not going to played off
this week. You know. I I've never been a part
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on the club side of an event coming your way.
And of course no grandstands, you know, I mean limited
fans or whatever they're doing at Phoenix this year. But um,
the golf course closest for like a month and a half,
you know, I mean it's I mean, it's overseas season
rolls right into the schwab. My game is on the
decline and your games going up. But you said you
never I mean you never played Phoenix, but you played
You played it today? Was it the first time you
played it? And uh and we're recording this on Wednesday.
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You get a chance to play it, you get done
with the round now it's like, yeah, I can win here?
Is I mean, is that where your head goes? I mean,
is that the stuff you think now that that is
maybe a different than the way you you maybe have
fought in the past. Yeah, it's again not not to
get caught up in for me results. I think that
this is a good golf course. Um. And and it
brings in a lot of different players. Guys that bomb,
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guys that hit short, the greens are so good, absolutely perfect.
They're fast, and I love that, Um, challenging golf with
with good, fast greens. So it's gonna be a fun week. Um.
I mean, you never know when you te up what's
gonna happen and what game you're gonna bring. But certainly, UM,
I feel good. I had a had a nice week
last weekend and trending in the right direction. How has
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the Phil Mickelson experience been for you guys, you know,
the players? How has that been so far? Playing in
two events wins both Um. Obviously, headlines are following him around,
you know, the storylines everything, and the focus is it's
it's Phil and then everybody else most of the time
when Phil does anything for goodness sake. So I mean,
I'm I'm just wondering what it's been like for a
player on the Champions Tour. I love it. I love
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watching him. I mean, honestly, most of the players are
watching him. When he's sitting on the range, he's still
hitting it fifty by everybody, and it's it's it's just
amazing to see him swing that hard and hit it
that hard. Um. He's also hitting it everywhere, which is
fun to watch too. I mean, I love I love
that aspect of the game. And he's brought new life
into the PGA Tour Champions. He's as as as has
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Furic and Ernie and you see those guys playing well. Um,
I think that's great for our brand and our product
and the competition. I had Phil on the club a
couple of weeks ago and he said something very interesting
that I never really thought of with the Champions Tour.
He said, that's different than the PGA Tour, as he said,
if you like pinnable spots, so on the PGA Tour
might be three off back left, and he's the Champions
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Tour is going to be six off the back left.
You know, it's not it's not as tough, it's not
as penal, and it's not as testy maybe as some
of the PGA Tour golf courses are. And I think
that's to your point about him not really hitting a
lot of fairways. He can get away with that on
these types of golf courses absolutely, And and he's playing
I mean, he's free right, and he's swinging free and
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he's like, hey, I'm using this as a warm up,
and whether that helps his mental state to say, hey,
you know what, this doesn't matter, and then he goes
and makes a million birdies and doesn't care about it. Um.
But it's you hate to use the expression fun to watch.
I I love it. I love the energy out there.
There's certainly a lot more um even with COVID, there's
a lot more buzz when fills around. I was gonna say,
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I mean, I would love to have seen this situation
with fans, just to see what it looked like for
you guys and what it felt like for you guys
when Phil, when Phil showed up right, I mean, because
you would have seen it with the fans. I mean,
you would have had this swarm of fans following Phil
and Phil's group around because the guy still draws when
we see it, you know, with these matches they're doing,
and now we're seeing it out there. But you know what,
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I'll be honest. I mean, the the PGA Tour event
that went against Phil's last win, I believe it was
the second win. I mean, I had Champions Store on
the big TV, you know, I was. I was excited
to watch what he would do because first of all,
he's pitching a perfect game and second, it's phil competing
against what I consider a very underrated tour. You know,
a lot of talent on on on the PGA Tour Champions,
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and I don't always feel like it gets the maybe
the credit it deserves. I agree, And and just to
watch he actually had some some decent we I think
in Richmond when he won, we had the members of
the club come out, and so he still had some
people around. To your point, it's it's it's fascinating, you know,
and it's fun to watch him play golf, and and
doesn't matter what tour he's playing, and I love the
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energy that he's bringing to our tour. What is it
like being on this tour? Maybe can maybe versus what
you thought it might be like because we hear so
much about Champions versus the PGA Tour. It's just a
different vibe. It's not, I'm gonna say, a happier vibe. Um,
everybody's most everybody it's competitive is all heck, but most
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everybody has done their thing and now they're like, Okay,
this is fun. We're trying really hard and we want
to win. But they're a little more relaxed about it.
As far as the grind of the PGA Tour. When
you look at the PGA Tour right now, distance is king.
You know, Bryson is changing it, and we're seeing guys
that are the entire social media world of golf is
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just posting track me and pictures. I guess that's the
new thing. But what is what do you feel like
after a year in this What do you feel like
is besides working for Fox apparently, what is a huge
what what is necessary to be competitive on on the
PGA Tour champions Well, I mean every week you have
to make putts. I mean you look at the scores.
It doesn't matter how you play, you have to shoot
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four or five six under almost every round to have
a chance to win. Um. Distance helps, certainly, that's the
with with mccarroen. I mean, I feel like mccarroen is
when I I played with mccaren in Detroit, I believe
it was right before he turned fifty and he hit
it forever, and I just I continue to go back
to this, like, you're a guy that's in good shape
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and you're having success out there. I feel like the
healthy guys that have kept themselves in shape tend to
be the ones that that are competitive for five years
out there. It seems that way right now. And certainly
Scotty hits it a mile, Erniel's hits to the mile,
Retief still hits it a mile. VJ hits it long. Uh,
Freddie still hits it really long. Obviously Phil goes without saying.
But so the guys that are um doing well, it
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seems they tend to be a little bit on the
longer side. But the fun thing about this week at
Phoenix Country Club it doesn't you don't have to be
a long hit or to be in contention. Certainly Maggart
winning last year beating Retief in a playoffs. So that's
kind of the flip side of the same coin there um,
which makes this event for me a fun week and
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it should bring everybody in the fold. It's an old school,
old school golf course. I mean that. That is what
drew me to Phoenix Counch Club when I was looking
at places to join. It is what I think. It
intrigues people that show up. You know, you think about
Arizona Golf, and you think about Desert Mountain and you
know WECo Paw and True North and all those places
where there's you missed the ball and you're in there
with the lizards, and all of a sudden you show
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up at this golf course that had you know, thirty
something Phoenix Opens or whatever, and it's this old school
treeline golf course. You're like, oh wow, I'm it's kind
of a throwback. I feel like the Champions Tour guys
have really liked the change. I feel like they like
the move back to, you know, a golf course that
they may have may be played in, you know, past
Phoenix Opens, and also a golf course that maybe feels
a little bit like courses you grow up on. Yeah,
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and it's a fun place. You're you're you're walking on
one fairway and then the next fair hour the holes
coming back and you know, it's a tight, landlocked golf course.
That's a great thing about it. And it is old
school with some big trees, tree lined fairways. Great Part
three's so it's it's a fun week you talked about, Dana.
I read a quote you had after your win. You said,
he's the best ball striker you've seen. Is that still correct?
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It is? He? I mean it, I wouldn't say that
today at seventy three, but he um but growing up
he was just misd no straight, straight, straight, and if
he putted poorly, he shoots sixty nine. If he putted well,
he shoots sixty three. I mean, and it was every
single day. And um, I certainly learned so much from
him growing up, canning for him, canning for my dad,
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um being around that, and and just you know, Dana
would always say, you gotta play your way into playing well.
Don't sit there on the range and hit balls, because
you're not learning how to play golf on the range.
You learned how to play golf on the golf course
and just play golf. So your philosophy now same. I mean,
you'll hit balls at times, but you will learn more
about who you are on a golf course. I'll say, yes,
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I do, certainly, I do better when I play more.
It's easy. It's sexy to sit on the range and
hit ball. It's whether it's with a track man or
video or whatever it is, and whether you want to
look at numbers. You still I find myself falling into
that trap. Even when I'm at home, if I have
an hour to practice, you know, whether before I pick
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up the girls for after school, whatever the timing is,
instead of just running around playing five holes, I'll be like, oh,
let's go hit some balls. Or instead of spending the
majority of time on the on the chipping green or
the putting green where it matters the most. Um. So
I have to watch myself now to make sure I
play more than I than I um normally. Would you
know I've adopted I've adopted this during COVID just because
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you know, golf courses are still open. We're still a
go to go play golf basically throughout this whole thing,
especially in Arizona. You know, I was always the guy
that I felt like I needed to be at the
driving range. Like I felt like I should be at
the driving range. I mean, you hear the whole thing.
If you're not practicing, somebody else and he'll beat you
if you guys meet or whatever, um, all those old quotes.
You know. Henry is sixteen months now, and he loves
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to be He loves the golf course. He likes being
out the because he can run around and he can
play in a bunker and whatever. It's It's been so
good for me to go out and do that, you know,
just to go out for ninety minutes on the golf
course and play three or four holes and hit a
couple of shots, and you know, I'll take five clubs
and I'll change the five clubs out, so I have
some days I don't have a driver and have the
three with some days I don't have any woods at all.
And you know, you have one wedge, so you've got
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to hit that wedge no matter what the wedge shot
calls for. It's crazy what how different it feels when
you're hitting shots into actual greens, to actual flags, hitting
actual shots that you hit when you have to play
a golf ground, you know, I mean, that's just so
different than being on the range and twenty minutes my
past you go, I don't even know what I just
did for twenty minutes. Absolutely, And when you're out there
on the golf course, you have to hit shots that matter,
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right and you and I love that because that engages
your mind creatively and forces you to be like, Okay,
this is what I need to think about in order
to hit this wedge that I normally hit a hundred
and fifty, But I gotta hit it a hundred and
ten or whatever the the situation is. And and talking
about brilliant Henry out. That's that's fantastic for you to
spend time with him and keep bringing him out, because
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that's how I grew up around the golf course, group
around my dad playing golf and just being around it.
And that's that's gonna be stuff that you're going to
really cherish and and certainly help help him grow his interest.
I carry one of his little plastic Fisher Price clubs
that are over there in the corner, and uh, and
the first couple of times really into the club and
recently just kind of throwing to the side of my
hed's fine, whatever you wanna do. You want to go
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look at the turtles. We look at the turtles. That's fine.
Whatever you're fun is that the golf course is your fun,
and that's what we're gonna do. You. I was reading something.
I mean, I I don't are you an emotional guy?
I tend to be sometimes, uh, probably too much? Okay,
So I was really I didn't I didn't see I
hadn't seen this. I didn't I didn't hear you say
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this after your victory. But you were talking about somebody
asked you what the coolest text you got? You know,
what was your favorite text. What was the text that
you received after win? And you said it was him
You're eleven year old, which I as a now as
a new dad, I totally get that, because I mean
I could only imagine how cool that is. But I
did get a little like tiger vibes from you where
you play golf. You're a golfer, but your kids maybe
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didn't get to see you when you were in your prime.
They didn't get to see you when you're out there battling,
you know, with the superstars or whatever, and you're getting
to win. Now you said you're eleven year old told
you it was, Oh, this is really cool, dad. Yeah,
you're like you're on TV, Like like she couldn't even
couldn't even believe it. And it's funny now she's twelve,
but even two nights ago she goes, Dad, I saw
some commercial. Is that you on the TV? You know
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it's for the champions or like, yes, that's me and
she just couldn't believe it. Um, you know, So to
your point, I've I've always tried to keep it separate
as far as like not taking the round and in
the day to day stuff either home or after you
get off the golf course, because that that can totally
wear you out. But you know, so try to compartmentalize
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all that stuff is is is what you have to
do to kind of stay saying out here. I bet
And I mean, you're your life has gone through a
lot of different iterations lately, you know. I mean that's
you know, it's I mean, living in places, working in
different places, doing completely different jobs. I mean, I don't
I feel like your journey into this position now has
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been so different than everybody else out there. I mean
you you know Tanna Gawa, guys like that, where you
could throw in maybe something similar, but for the most part,
you being in the commercial, you know, you're in a
commercial with the guy that never stopped playing golf for
fifty years, never stopped playing golf for fifty years, never
stopped playing golf for fifty years, and you are the
face on there, you know, tenth in the in the
Schwab got a chance to win the charge Schwab Cup.
It's like, I am, you know, I'm I'm one of
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these guys now and my journey was just so different. Yeah. Absolutely,
And to to your point on being with Langer and
seeing all those guys, it is a little surreal to
to see that. Um, but yeah, my journey, I mean
I've been It's funny. I've been through so much stuff
with with leg injuries, a broken leg and broken back. UM,
not plan for a long time, not knowing if I'd
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even get starts on the PGA twur champions Um, you know.
And it never I'm not gonna say it never bothered me.
But I was like, Okay, this is this is what
I'm doing now, and this is what I'm gonna do,
and then just keep going, going and going, and not
not ever U like a woe is me or and
then it's just like, hey, this is fun. And again
to the point, I enjoyed the time working with with
Fox and your guys, and and that's what I want
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to do and like. And it's almost like wherever I am,
that's where I need to be, or that's the greatest
place to be right now, We're gonna take a quick
break and be right back. What I've found funny about
always watching you and Brad and all the other players
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that are out doing TV is you guys are basically
approaching golf courses like you're playing it, you know, like
your approach to a broadcast, you and Brad specifically, your
approach to a broadcast is is if you were playing
that golf of course that week, right, Absolutely, I mean,
it's yardage, books, it's putting, it's whole locations. I mean,
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because Trawli was the same way. She'd go out there
and and grind over. Julie go out as well. I
mean not to name you know, I mean Zinger if
you kind of keep going on and on the list
of of the people we had on our team. But
I was always so impressed with kind of the level
of commitment that went into what you were doing. You know,
that week, you know you're on en Core. I've been
on course before. You know, there's times where you get
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kind of lost, or your group's not playing grade and
you're not really in much. But I just always was
so impressed with y'all's approach. It's almost like you have
one like one speed on the golf course. Absolutely yeah.
And when we get out there, we I mean, we've
in order to get to where we are, we've had
to be committed, right And and I've always whatever I'm doing,
I want to try to be really good at it,
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like I wanna I want to. I want it to
be meaningful, and I want to I don't want to
half half as you can say, alfass all right, I
knew where you're going with it, but and to your
point on the like the greens and doing the homework,
and I wanted to be prepared. And the tough part
for me in the beginning was they handle the microphone
and have at it. You know. I get done with
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the first couple events and I remember calling Loumie. I'm like, Hey,
do you guys ever like send clips to like media
coaches or anything like that. He's like no. I said, well,
I know I'm the best that's ever done this, Loumi,
but I want to get better, you know, and he laughed,
how yeah. So it's it's that certainly was intimidating for me. Um.
And I liked what I was doing, at least on
the ground, because I could call golf and I could
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call the shots and kind of call what the guys
are seeing or the girls or whatever they're we're about
to do, or what the situation presented. And I didn't
have to not criticize. But certainly, Um, what you do
and what facts does in the booth, UM is a
little more of a challenge for me as far as
calling out the players. Um, what has been the part
of your game that you felt like you've had to
improve since starting on the Champions. When I drive it well,
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I score well, and so for me that and I've
struggle a little bit in the last two months and
I feel like I gotta handle on it this past week.
But um my putting this and again, when I play
fast greens, it feels like everything slows down for me,
So even my stroke has a different cadence, and I
love that because I'm not in any kind of hurry.
And and as we get nervous or close to lead
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or whatever it is your anxiety. For me, I tend
to run quick, and I know if I can slow
down just half a second, just that little beat that
makes all the difference in the world. Is the Brisoning
of golf gonna sneak into the Champions or has it already?
I mean, is this something we're gonna see where you
know distance is going to take over there as well?
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I think so. Um the guy that I'm impressed the
most with this every day is Retief. I mean, he
hits driver everywhere and he kills it um Tom Pernice.
I don't follow him on Twitter or or Instagram. The
guys are saying he's got swing speed over one twenty
or one two now at sixty one, which is incredible.
So I am definitely gonna work on seeing if I can.
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And it's funny, I don't even know what my swing
speed is, but I guess I'm gonna have to pretty
far though I do for for my size, the um
economy of the size that I am. But um, I mean,
there's got a lot of guys that they are doing
well that hit long. Scott Perel hits it long um
for a little guy. So it's it's it's definitely important.
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And it's if you can get to part fives and
two that that makes a big difference. Um wedges into
the greens on par four is that makes a huge difference.
So I'm gonna I'm gonna take around with a little
bit in the offseason. It's hard not to again the
driving range thing. As long as I don't spend too
much time on the driving range. I know that works
extremely well for Bryson. It doesn't even sound like he
plays golf. I feel like he now does it in
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like a theater. I don't even think he hits dry.
I think it's like he's built, it's there. What I
was laughing, I think my buddy Brennan poor Ath, when
he was posting videos of when he was swinging, you know,
hitting at four, he said, this is just like when
Hogan prepared for the Masters. You know, it's a little
different for the traditionalist in the world, and it's not
for everybody. But obviously, you know what we've seen success.
It's gonna be very and I think everybody's excited to
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see him at a Gusta just to see what it
looks like and to see if it works. Because you've
got to be on too, right. I mean, that's the
key to this is you can swing it as hard
as you want. We see the long drive guys do it.
But if you're a little off, you're gonna have a
bad week, right, And it's exponential on the when the
club faces off a little, whether it's path or face
open or close. But they also the other thing that
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Bryson did unbelievable that week because he chipped and putted
it incredible. His his putting was incredible. Yes, super underrated.
I mean it's It's like we love to look at
certain parts of people, and especially in golf, and you
totally forget to look at other stuff. I feel like
this with Rory and Rory was struggling, was Rory would
struggle and finish top ten, and everybody would always talk
about his wedge game, and like, the guy's finishing top ten.
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I mean, everything's working pretty well. Are there parts of
it we wish were a little sharper, Absolutely, But you
can't just look at one thing, Especially in golf. It's
hard to look at one aspect of the game and
you really try to put the magnifying glass on it
and forget about everything else. Because if guys are competitive
and they don't win, they're playing pretty good, absolutely, and
you can't win every week, right, and is two for
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two so he's done all right. But yeah, I mean
to your point on Rory, I mean I think that
he's unfairly scrutinized because he is. The expectations are so
high on him that he drives it incredibly, drives it
farther than Bryson most of the time. I think he
averaged more distance or or during the US Open, uh
than Bryson did so he's he has that, and then
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there's the expectation, Hey, he's gotta win every week. And
if he doesn't his wedge close, or even if he
hits his wedge clost, then he misses the putt, then
he's putting poorly. It's almost a no win situation where
he shouldn't look at any social media. He shouldn't look
at that stuff, and he he just and play golf.
And but he loves that, he loves posting that stuff,
and he loves being in the fray of of all that,
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and and I'm not sure that's helping him play his
best golf right now. You know, Rory gets at times,
I feel like he gets criticized because it's it looks
so good, you know, It's like the swing is so
beautiful that if he it's kind of we almost wonder
as golfers, why don't you win more? And we look
past the fact that nobody besides Tiger really wins a
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whole bunch, especially on the PGA Tour. Was there anybody
with you growing up, or anybody early in your pro
career who you felt like got scrutinized a bit because
it looked so easy and it and it maybe didn't
produce the results that the media or the golf world wanted.
You know, maybe Ernie. You know, Ernie obviously had a
great career. I mean, I'm not gonna say he's an underachiever.
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But a guy that swings like that, it looks pretty easy. Um.
Same thing with Freddie. But Freddie battled a bunch of
you know, back injuries or or injury throughout his career. Um.
I don't know, I can't think of anybody else. I
feel like, you know, when you when you kind of
look back historically, you know, we love to kind of
dissect wise Cooff's career, you know, because it hit it
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forever and he had a great swaying and he was
a big dude and he was the next Jack and
you know, it didn't quite work out the way we
all wanted it. And you you know, we can't curb expectations,
we can't curb hope right as fans, but you sometimes
want to, you know, you're just like the guy had
a good career, you know. I I I I laugh
all the time when I see these people ripping speed apart,
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Like the guys won. Guys won three may He's won
three different majors already in his career. He goes through
a slump, the career is already there. Absolutely, And to
your point, Justin Thomas, I mean, there's so much talent
on the PGA Tour now, whether you want to look
at Brooks, Dustin, Justin Thomas, any of those guys are
so incredibly talented, and they can they have a chance
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to win every week. And if they don't win every week,
everyone's like, oh, what's wrong? You know, how can they
not win? Because Brian Gay win. You know, people are confused.
I forget that. It's just it's a lot more than
hitting it and they can it look good? Yeah, And
it's four days of golf, right and and get it
in the hole, and you never know what what you're
bringing to the golf course that day, and and what
the other person, what's gonna happen. Darren Clark wins last
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week on our tour. He second HOLI day. The second round,
he picks up his ball in the middle of fairway.
We weren't playing it, we play lift clean in place.
The first round he picks up his ball and he's like,
oh no, So then he puts it back in the
same spot. Knocks it over the green in the mud.
I was just talking to his caddy this morning, Sandy Armor,
Tommy Armer's brother, and he's got no shot. It's shortside himself.
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He's got a big ridge to go up and he's
got mud on the ball. It's a not a good line.
Normally hits a sandwich. He takes a seven iron, ties
a bump and running up the hill, bumper, runs up
the hill, goes in for a par with the punnit penalty,
and then goes on to shoot ten under, goes on
to win. You know. So there's so many miniscule things
that that either add up or continual momentum or make
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or break around. If he makes bogear double there, he
does not win the golf tournament. He chips in with
a seven iron because there's mud on the ball, and
he goes on to shoot ten under and wins the
golf tournament. The champion driving distance, by the way, for you, Yeah,
that's pretty bad. I'm sure that's accurate. But I've hit
a lot of trees in the last couple of months.
I don't think maybe they don't take those into account.
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I'm just saying thirteen. It's pretty good. Before you go,
give us a facts and story from back in the
day you and facts and story, brad story growing up.
Give us something that that includes our boy Brad facts
and that we can maybe laugh at him about. Well,
I I'll give you a good one from last week.
So last week they might um, I'll play a Scott
mcaren and Lee Jansen. They miked our group and I
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literally I wasn't, like, you know what, I don't want
to do this. I don't it's gonna affect my swing.
But but after doing TV, I'm like, you know what,
let's just do this because who cares. It's just a
round of golf. It could be fun. Who knows if
they'll show us or if you get anything good. So anyway,
I'm playing okay, and I hit a bad drive on
one hole. I hit it right. It's a tough tea
shot and I kind of shot the green, but that
I decided not to because water all around it. So
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I chip it out over the trees back into the fairway.
I knock a sandwich on the green, make a fifteen
foot for par and Lee Jansen chimes in, Jesus, I
just like facts and hits. It makes a part. I said, hey,
we call those facts and parts at home, so I
don't think anything of it. I'm true. I finished around.
I'm driving home facts and calls me and he goes,
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what are you doing? Why are you throwing me under
the bus? I said, what are you talking about? I said,
I've gotten six texts, I've had ten calls people saying
you're making fun of me the golf course. I said,
I'm not making fun of you. I said, that's a
compliment to to make a facts in part that. I
love that to hit it everywhere. I love getting that
was always fun for me to get people in your
group not upset, but just shaking their head that you're
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making pars from here or making birdie from here. To
hit it all over the golf course and just continue
to play golf is is um is fun. And I
that's probably what I've learned most from Brad. I mean,
you don't have to play perfect golf um and making
you get still make a bunch of birdies and have
a chance. Yeah, I mean Brad not, you know, historically
not the straightest of driving to the golf ball. I
think he would even admit that. But he's a guy
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that got it in the hole. I mean he want
eight times on the PGA tour. You know he's not
some slout. It just well, again goes back to when
we talked about the Rory. You know, he was believable
at one aspect of it. He was not He was
probably blow average in another. But when it was not
working out, he would just lean on the part that
he was really good at. And I mean, that's what
we've seen with Rory. I asked Brad by the way,
I told him I was gonna do this with you.
I said, give me some inside. Here's what he told me.
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Likes Porsches, likes Rolexes, and then he wrote, likes to
wake up early, coffee, tequilo wine. These are the this
is the information I get from my old booth. Mate.
Need a need an update on on on that? By
the way, what do we what do we talk about
early wake up calls? Well, I wake up early all
the time, especially out here. If now and I'm a
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two hour time change, I'm up at four, so I'm
normally up at five thirty at home on the East Coast.
I like getting up early. Um, It's just it's just
who I've always been I'm not. I'm not a night owl,
like I could go to bed. I have a two girls,
twelve and thirteen, Lily and Lucy, and literally Amy and
I are are drawing straws each night. Who's gonna let
Who's gonna put Lily to bed? Because we're trying to
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get to um. But yeah, so I I like getting
up early. I like seeing the sunrise. I like that
quiet time in the morning. When is uh so if
you have a late time, so like let's say this
week you play well, it's Sunday, You've got the last
tea time out? Is that tough for you? A little bit?
A little bit um, as far as not not in
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the nervousness or anxiety, but like all of the coffee,
breakfast whatever, and probably go to the course a little
bit early. Once I get to the course, no problem,
Just that waiting around, that waiting around and waiting around
um is tough. So I do like coffee, um not um.
I used to like. So facts has been an awful
influence on me. He got me into wine. On drink
wine anymore. Then he got me into tequila, and I
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partake a little bit in tequila now. But I just
I just love the text. I got so so facts.
You can just see he was a stream of consciousness
writing everything down. Um. Last question, and it's about the
Champions Tour. You know, a you're out there, there's a
lot of conversations, a lot of people talking about age
and where we should go with this tour and if
we should go a little bit younger. What's the is
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on tour amongst the players that do you feel like
we're gonna go maybe to a forty five year old number?
Does it feel firm at fifty right now? What is?
What are the players talking about? Or if you heard anything?
You know, I don't really have a pulse on that book.
I I could see it going to forty five. I
think that would be a neat um because it seems
like the guys that are like like me, like mccaren,
like Flesh, the guys that are forty five even erne
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else has spoken about it fifty they feel like they're
getting beaten up too much trying to play the tour
and and and are are ready to go on to
be competitive again on another tour, and and forty five
might might be a good good answer. When you got
when you say you got got beat up like fifty
when you're because so explain to people that maybe don't
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know when you're forty five and you were looking ahead
at the Champions Tour, you have opportunity to play places
like what is the prep to get ready for fifty?
It's really different for each guy I got, like Furcan Ernie,
they still had status with PJA Tour, so they got
to play. Um. Most guys, there's a forty eight to
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forty nine category for the corn Ferry Tour, so three
guys can play out of that category. Like Mike, we're
played out of it for two years. I played out
of it. Um guys that are in there trying to
get ready for fifty, um to go play the corn
Ferry and and and that's a little, not a little,
it's very humbling and can be demoralizing going out there
to see how far everybody hits it out there and
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then how low the scores are, you know, and and
not certainly not not the biggest ego or a confidence
boost as you're getting ready to turn fifty, but it
is competitive golf, and that for me to play competitive
golf matters well. I mean, like again, this goes back
to having I remember I remember where we were. We
were in Florida and I was with Flesh and he
was he was talking about the transition, you know, the
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mental transition that it takes, because he knew that he
was like a year out from being fifty and he
just knew that, you know, the clicking in and playing
some events and playing some corn ferry and playing some
PGA tour. It was. It was about you said, you
almost like take the punches in the face, you know,
so that you're ready for the hit when you turn fifty,
and you're probably I would bet you that you know
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all of the you know, misscuts or you're playing with
a guy that hits at eighty past you and stuff
like that. All that stuff. It's some way, if you
look at it the right way, it could be a
huge benefit because you know you're not gonna have to
fight that on absolutely. And then you turn fifty and
then you get back on a tour that you've played
with guys the last twenty five years or however many years,
and you've seen all these guys before, and you know
all these guys. So then there's that that familiar or
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comfortable feeling that hey, and now I'm going to play
competitive golf with guys that I know. Yeah, I mean
it's and Phil talked about that with me. You know,
Phil talked about how it has been really cool to
be out with guys that he's known forever but rarely
sees now. And he's saying that he's getting a chance
to talk to guys on the range and and play
with and interact with a lot of names that were
a huge part of his life. I mean ten twenty years.
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You know, if if you're fifty five or fifty eight
or sixty, you know, you really haven't been around Phil
Mickelson and what he does in golf for a decade.
So I mean, he's getting a chance to see some
people that maybe he uh he hadn't had a chance
to see. And I think that's cool. I I really
was hoping that we'd see Michelson this week. I I
just wanted to see him. I wanted to see him
in a stage like this. I know every week is
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a big week, but I mean this is a really
really big week for you guys. I was I was
very excited. You know, like you said, you don't have
the bomb at Phoenix Country Club. It's really around the greens.
It's putting in the right side of the fairway. Stuff
like that. I always say about Phoenix. If you miss
it three or four yards off line, you're screwed. If
you miss it fifteen yards love flying, you're okay. Actually
my might have worked out for Phil. I was kind
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of hoping, just because I I like seeing I like
seeing everybody, you know, feel like they've got to take
it up a level. And I and I and I do.
I do get the sense that that's, if nothing else,
what he's doing right now for everybody out there. And yeah,
he has raised the bar and it's it's just fun
to be part of it now and to see that
excitement come to our tour. QUI, how many podcasts have
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you done? Um, I'm gonna say this might be the second.
Never nice so golf one for the first one too.
I wouldn't like a Tequila podcast or the Brad Facts
and podcast or anything. I've ben't talking to facts and
he needs to be getting a podcasts out there. I
I appreciate the time, buddy, Uh, it's been a while.
I mean I would see you like nine times a year,
and then all of a sudden, you know, you don't
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do it. But with home A on the PGA tour,
I do this. I always check his scores. I have
him as a favorite, and uh, Louimie and I when
you were just starting to get going, of course you win.
I mean every Saturday or Sunday if you were in contention,
I get a LOOMI text like do you see how quick?
Do you see what Quicks did? I'm like, yeah, I
saw it. I'm like watching, I'm like paying attention. It's
fun to have somebody to root for. I I get
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why people are fans of stuff. So I hope you
play well this week. I hope you have fun. And
I mean the good thing is twenty one right around
the corner. Do you guys start in Hawaii? Yes, we do. God,
I stated at that resort, that place is awesome. That's so.
That's so the first thing I heard after I won Morocco.
Everybody came up to me like, you're gonna love hall Life.
It is the greatest. Like that's another year away, but
they're already talking about it. And that's how special that
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places and how much everybody looks forward to it, and
certainly I am looking forward to going there with Amy. Yeah.
That that's uh. We did our baby moon there and
I did not want to leave. And there is uh
you know that. I mean, there's a David McClay kid
course across the street that is awesome, and the golf
course there is awesome, and the whole resort and everything
is great. So it's you know, it's a it's a
good time for you. It's a good time to be
bread quickly, isn't it. Yes, Yes, it's a good time
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to travel, even though you have to do this stupid
stuff sometimes. Thanks. I appreciate it. Thank you, Shan. This
is fun. We're gonna take a quick break and be
right back. A big thanks to Mr Quigley for stopping by.
Thank you for listening. I hope you guys enjoy the
week Make sure you watch a little bit of the
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PGA Tour champions over the weekend, just to see where
I make Bogi's a lot at at Tenix Country Club,
you know. That's uh, that's the course I've been a
member at a couple of years. It's a fantastic golf
course and in an old school layout, and I think
you'll really enjoy watching it on television. Hope you guys
have a great weekend, get out of play some golf.
You live in a in a warm area and it's allowed,
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and if not, you've got plenty to watch on television.
And next week we've got some heavy hitters for next week.
I'm hearing it's the Masters next week, and I say
heavy hitters, guys. I'm talking one in particular, very heavy
hitter who hits the ball heavy, and another heavy hitter
who is probably one of the more famous people. And
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then around golf. So an exciting Masters week here at
the Clubhouse. Have a good weekend. We'll be back next week.
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I Heart Radio. Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon.
I am your host, Shane Bacon, and we've got a
good one this week. Brett Quigley, one earlier this year
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on the Champions Tour stopped by. He actually stopped by
in person socially distance, of course, but he stopped buying
person as the Champions Tour this week is concluding their
season at Phoenix Country Club, where I play my golf
here in the Arizona area. So Quicks came over and
we chatted about his time working alongside the Fox crew
(00:43):
and myself, you know, during his run there and then
this winning the second event that he played in on
PGA Tour Champions and now feeling, you know, like he's
a part of the mix as he is, and uh
I talked about this on the podcast with Quigley. But
I played a lot of golf with Brett over the
last two two and a half years, considering we were
(01:05):
on the road a lot together, and I feel like
myself Mark Loomis, facts in Julie Inkster on down the
list people that got a chance to play with them.
We were all amazed and floored and how good he
was now effortless, it looked. So it's no surprise to
us the year he's having on the PGA Tour champions Uh.
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But it's fun to see, fun to see good people,
good things happening to good people. So hope you enjoy it.
Here we go with Brett Quickly and we welcome to
the clubhouse for the first time. And in person about
you know, eight feet away from each other. I think
that's that's okay, that's about the number, Brett Quickly, what's up, Quicks?
Not much. I'm glad we don't have a tape measure,
but I'm guessing eight or nine feet, So that's good.
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And in person is really fantastic. Way better for interview
I did. I did an interview today earlier that will
come out in a couple of weeks. That was a
great interview. But just getting a chance to do in
person versus phone, especial to with somebody you know, is
a is a nice thing. Of course, Brett Quigley has
had a great run on the on the Champions Tour.
You turned fifty August eighteenth of nineteen, right, and you
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won your second Champions Tour event. Yes, I did. That
was the that was in Morocco, and and I was
reading a little bit about just some of your quotes
after and you said you didn't um. You were like,
I didn't really get nervous until the last part. You
had what probably six seven eight ft for par I
did I had? Yeah, I mean so yes, it's a
short answer. I ran, I ran about a thirty ft
(02:30):
or six ft by and I was like, oh my gosh,
here we go. I need to make this because I
don't want to go into the playoff and and somehow
made it dead center. So you know, we worked together
for a number of years at Fox, and it was
always you, Me, Facts and our producer Mark Loomis were
kind of the four that would sneak away and go
play golf. And you know, you were in your late forties,
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and I'd kind of gone through the same thing with Flesh.
You know, Flesh was a part of the broadcast crew
when he was like forty. Karen did the same thing. Uh,
and both players, obviously, you know, go to the Champions
Tour and their full time players and they're having a
ton of success. You are a guy that battled injury
during your PGA Tour career. You know you I think
your last win before the Champions Tour event was that
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oh one, Is that what it was? I want to
remember guests along the way. You want some events, but
you know, I mean, I feel like those were two guys.
You know, Flesh had had the pedigree on the PGA Tour.
Mccaren was was a good player that people. I think
I felt like was in physical shape to do well
when he turned fifty he went to the Champions Tour.
You're a guy that we were around and Louis and
(03:35):
I were like, this dude's gonna kill it when he
gets out there, as long as he's healthy and he
kind of believes in himself. How did you find success
so fast considering that you had a break from kind
of the competitive world you were out there, you know,
you're you're leaning on money as as a as a
way to get into these events, you know, kind of
your money list during your your PGA Tour time. How
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did you find success so fast? I think it's a
combination of things. I was really working towards getting to
fifty years old. I mean, the last five years I
was working on on my game, working on every aspect
of the game. Uh. You mentioned Loumi um and facts
and playing a lot of golf with you two and
and that um the work for Fox in the U
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s J. Also, I think helped me mentally to see, Hey,
guys that are winning championships or big tournaments aren't always
playing perfect golf. And I think, uh, in my PGA
Tour career, certainly if if um, I'm gonna say I
was disappointed with it. I always thought it had to
be better than it was. I thought there had to
be perfection in there for guys that win each week,
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and that's not the case at all. And I think
that helped me realize that. Two. And then getting in
the Morocco tournament literally three weeks before the tournament, I
didn't know I was going to be in the in
the tournament, I get in um kind of last minute,
and I just viewed it as a free week. I said, Okay,
let's go and re see if I can finish top ten.
Somehow gotten the last group after two rounds and then
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played great golf. Yeah. I mean you shot six under
the final round, I think, and it was kind of
a battle with aims and obviously you win but it's
what I find cool. You know, I had Sophia pop
off on the clubhouse after she won the Women's British Open.
You know, a crazy good story, really the kind of
story that makes golf so great. I mean, I literally
just got goose bumps. But think thinking about it, I mean,
these are the stories that we love to see, and
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I feel like only happen in golf. But you're not
a guy. It's like you haven't just one. I mean,
this is your two thousand events, win, a second of third,
four top tens and six top twenty five. You know,
you're kind of making Loumi and I look really smart.
I'm here for you guys. I know, yeah, I appreciate it,
but I mean, you know, it's it's been I don't
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want to say it's been relatively easy, but you're I
guess your skills and the work you put in sure
have seemed to work out, you know, over the over
the last you know, twelve months or so. It's funny
you say, um, not easy, because so I obviously when
Morocco come out, play well the next couple of weeks,
then we shut down for for covid um and then
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come right back and have a chance to win our
first event and Furk beats me on the last hole there, um,
and for me to play maybe backtrack a little. For
me to play well, I need to not goof around.
Not that it's I don't care, because you obviously care,
but if when I take it too seriously, I don't
perform well. Um, And it just put unnecessary pressure myself
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instead of just playing golf. And then after um, I
finished second to Ferich, I'm leading the money list, and
thereone's like, oh my gosh, you need to do this,
or you need to do that, or you need to
reset your goals. And then for me to start thinking
about results instead of thinking about my process and just
having fun and and and going through the stuff that
I know that I need to do in order to
perform well. I kind of got out of that routine.
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In in the last couple of weeks, I've gotten back
into just doing what I need to do to play well.
Has it been weird? Has it been weird for you?
Going from you know, twenty nineteen and you're doing you know,
these random us GA events with US and you're doing
the US Open and you're you know, you're doing these
US juniors and you're popping around to these small cities
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and now I mean you're getting media request and you're
having new press conferences and you're a mar Keete player
on the banners when you drive into these golf courses.
I mean, has that been strange this year? It is
a little surreal. You can you can hear my smile there. Um, yes,
because two years ago, last year, we were doing events
in the rule of nowhere from the US Stevens I mean,
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and having fun, right, and I certainly enjoyed my time
doing that and and enjoy being with you guys because
it was a fun crew and we always had fun
doing it. Um. And now all of a sudden, um
to be you know, I mean, the guys that have
come out this year, whether it's Michelson, Els Furik, and
then to be included in that group is is really cool.
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I mean, and it's it's um, it's a great experience.
I'm I'm at. I'm not gonna say I'm happy that
I'm happy that I'm there. I'm I'm okay that I'm there.
I don't know if that makes sense. I'm um, I'm
more comfortable being comfortable the right word. It feels like,
well again, I mean I was never sure, and I'm
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guessing the answer is yes, But I was never sure
if you saw what we saw in your own game,
because you know what I mean, quicks, when I play
with you, I mean, you know, we know Brad facts
in short game. Trust me, we hear about it about
every angle possible in golf. But you're one of the
best putters I've ever played golf with. And you're pitching,
pitching around the greens. You know facts, and would would
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openly say, I mean he's this is just about as
good as putters I've ever played with. And I mean
that coming from you know, kind of the guy that
that is the legend with the flat stick. I mean
this you grew up with with, Brad. I mean, this
was a guy that you grew up with. I mean,
when can you tell the story of you guys and
just how how your lives have just kind of entangled
throughout the years our lives have. I mean, he's like
a big brother to me. Um he my dad caddy
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for Brad, Brad caddy for my dad, drawing up. I
grew up catting for Brad, um my dad, my uncle Dana.
Um facts and myself all went to the the same high school,
same high school golf coach. So we've we've have a
we have a lot of history, um together. So and
I grew up around Billy Andre too, who was also
one of the best putters, the chippers and putters of
all time. Um. And so it's just it wasn't a
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big deal. It was like, hey, those guys are doing it.
I can do it. Yeah, I can. I grew up
watching those guys doing it, and it wasn't a big
deal to get up and down from a place you
wouldn't think normally you can do that. Um. But maybe
back to your to your point, I think, Um, I've
always heard it from my uncle Dan and my dad
that I'm that I've I've got the ability to do it,
and I'm not sure. I always deep down believed it,
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and now I think I know that I can do it.
And I'm kind of behaving like that if that's the
right way to say it. Not not a cocky way,
but like, hey, okay, my good is good enough. Where Um,
if I play well, I've got a chance to be
near the top at the end. Yeah, like you go.
I mean, this week you're playing famous counch Club where
I played off. Unfortunately, I'm not going to played off
this week. You know. I I've never been a part
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on the club side of an event coming your way.
And of course no grandstands, you know, I mean limited
fans or whatever they're doing at Phoenix this year. But um,
the golf course closest for like a month and a half,
you know, I mean it's I mean, it's overseas season
rolls right into the schwab. My game is on the
decline and your games going up. But you said you
never I mean you never played Phoenix, but you played
You played it today? Was it the first time you
played it? And uh and we're recording this on Wednesday.
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You get a chance to play it, you get done
with the round now it's like, yeah, I can win here?
Is I mean, is that where your head goes? I mean,
is that the stuff you think now that that is
maybe a different than the way you you maybe have
fought in the past. Yeah, it's again not not to
get caught up in for me results. I think that
this is a good golf course. Um. And and it
brings in a lot of different players. Guys that bomb,
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guys that hit short, the greens are so good, absolutely perfect.
They're fast, and I love that, Um, challenging golf with
with good, fast greens. So it's gonna be a fun week. Um.
I mean, you never know when you te up what's
gonna happen and what game you're gonna bring. But certainly, UM,
I feel good. I had a had a nice week
last weekend and trending in the right direction. How has
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the Phil Mickelson experience been for you guys, you know,
the players? How has that been so far? Playing in
two events wins both Um. Obviously, headlines are following him around,
you know, the storylines everything, and the focus is it's
it's Phil and then everybody else most of the time
when Phil does anything for goodness sake. So I mean,
I'm I'm just wondering what it's been like for a
player on the Champions Tour. I love it. I love
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watching him. I mean, honestly, most of the players are
watching him. When he's sitting on the range, he's still
hitting it fifty by everybody, and it's it's it's just
amazing to see him swing that hard and hit it
that hard. Um. He's also hitting it everywhere, which is
fun to watch too. I mean, I love I love
that aspect of the game. And he's brought new life
into the PGA Tour Champions. He's as as as has
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Furic and Ernie and you see those guys playing well. Um,
I think that's great for our brand and our product
and the competition. I had Phil on the club a
couple of weeks ago and he said something very interesting
that I never really thought of with the Champions Tour.
He said, that's different than the PGA Tour, as he said,
if you like pinnable spots, so on the PGA Tour
might be three off back left, and he's the Champions
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Tour is going to be six off the back left.
You know, it's not it's not as tough, it's not
as penal, and it's not as testy maybe as some
of the PGA Tour golf courses are. And I think
that's to your point about him not really hitting a
lot of fairways. He can get away with that on
these types of golf courses absolutely, And and he's playing
I mean, he's free right, and he's swinging free and
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he's like, hey, I'm using this as a warm up,
and whether that helps his mental state to say, hey,
you know what, this doesn't matter, and then he goes
and makes a million birdies and doesn't care about it. Um.
But it's you hate to use the expression fun to watch.
I I love it. I love the energy out there.
There's certainly a lot more um even with COVID, there's
a lot more buzz when fills around. I was gonna say,
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I mean, I would love to have seen this situation
with fans, just to see what it looked like for
you guys and what it felt like for you guys
when Phil, when Phil showed up right, I mean, because
you would have seen it with the fans. I mean,
you would have had this swarm of fans following Phil
and Phil's group around because the guy still draws when
we see it, you know, with these matches they're doing,
and now we're seeing it out there. But you know what,
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I'll be honest. I mean, the the PGA Tour event
that went against Phil's last win, I believe it was
the second win. I mean, I had Champions Store on
the big TV, you know, I was. I was excited
to watch what he would do because first of all,
he's pitching a perfect game and second, it's phil competing
against what I consider a very underrated tour. You know,
a lot of talent on on on the PGA Tour Champions,
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and I don't always feel like it gets the maybe
the credit it deserves. I agree, And and just to
watch he actually had some some decent we I think
in Richmond when he won, we had the members of
the club come out, and so he still had some
people around. To your point, it's it's it's fascinating, you know,
and it's fun to watch him play golf, and and
doesn't matter what tour he's playing, and I love the
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energy that he's bringing to our tour. What is it
like being on this tour? Maybe can maybe versus what
you thought it might be like because we hear so
much about Champions versus the PGA Tour. It's just a
different vibe. It's not, I'm gonna say, a happier vibe. Um,
everybody's most everybody it's competitive is all heck, but most
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everybody has done their thing and now they're like, Okay,
this is fun. We're trying really hard and we want
to win. But they're a little more relaxed about it.
As far as the grind of the PGA Tour. When
you look at the PGA Tour right now, distance is king.
You know, Bryson is changing it, and we're seeing guys
that are the entire social media world of golf is
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just posting track me and pictures. I guess that's the
new thing. But what is what do you feel like
after a year in this What do you feel like
is besides working for Fox apparently, what is a huge
what what is necessary to be competitive on on the
PGA Tour champions Well, I mean every week you have
to make putts. I mean you look at the scores.
It doesn't matter how you play, you have to shoot
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four or five six under almost every round to have
a chance to win. Um. Distance helps, certainly, that's the
with with mccarroen. I mean, I feel like mccarroen is
when I I played with mccaren in Detroit, I believe
it was right before he turned fifty and he hit
it forever, and I just I continue to go back
to this, like, you're a guy that's in good shape
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and you're having success out there. I feel like the
healthy guys that have kept themselves in shape tend to
be the ones that that are competitive for five years
out there. It seems that way right now. And certainly
Scotty hits it a mile, Erniel's hits to the mile,
Retief still hits it a mile. VJ hits it long. Uh,
Freddie still hits it really long. Obviously Phil goes without saying.
But so the guys that are um doing well, it
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seems they tend to be a little bit on the
longer side. But the fun thing about this week at
Phoenix Country Club it doesn't you don't have to be
a long hit or to be in contention. Certainly Maggart
winning last year beating Retief in a playoffs. So that's
kind of the flip side of the same coin there um,
which makes this event for me a fun week and
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it should bring everybody in the fold. It's an old school,
old school golf course. I mean that. That is what
drew me to Phoenix Counch Club when I was looking
at places to join. It is what I think. It
intrigues people that show up. You know, you think about
Arizona Golf, and you think about Desert Mountain and you
know WECo Paw and True North and all those places
where there's you missed the ball and you're in there
with the lizards, and all of a sudden you show
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up at this golf course that had you know, thirty
something Phoenix Opens or whatever, and it's this old school
treeline golf course. You're like, oh wow, I'm it's kind
of a throwback. I feel like the Champions Tour guys
have really liked the change. I feel like they like
the move back to, you know, a golf course that
they may have may be played in, you know, past
Phoenix Opens, and also a golf course that maybe feels
a little bit like courses you grow up on. Yeah,
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and it's a fun place. You're you're you're walking on
one fairway and then the next fair hour the holes
coming back and you know, it's a tight, landlocked golf course.
That's a great thing about it. And it is old
school with some big trees, tree lined fairways. Great Part
three's so it's it's a fun week you talked about, Dana.
I read a quote you had after your win. You said,
he's the best ball striker you've seen. Is that still correct?
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It is? He? I mean it, I wouldn't say that
today at seventy three, but he um but growing up
he was just misd no straight, straight, straight, and if
he putted poorly, he shoots sixty nine. If he putted well,
he shoots sixty three. I mean, and it was every
single day. And um, I certainly learned so much from
him growing up, canning for him, canning for my dad,
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um being around that, and and just you know, Dana
would always say, you gotta play your way into playing well.
Don't sit there on the range and hit balls, because
you're not learning how to play golf on the range.
You learned how to play golf on the golf course
and just play golf. So your philosophy now same. I mean,
you'll hit balls at times, but you will learn more
about who you are on a golf course. I'll say, yes,
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I do, certainly, I do better when I play more.
It's easy. It's sexy to sit on the range and
hit ball. It's whether it's with a track man or
video or whatever it is, and whether you want to
look at numbers. You still I find myself falling into
that trap. Even when I'm at home, if I have
an hour to practice, you know, whether before I pick
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up the girls for after school, whatever the timing is,
instead of just running around playing five holes, I'll be like, oh,
let's go hit some balls. Or instead of spending the
majority of time on the on the chipping green or
the putting green where it matters the most. Um. So
I have to watch myself now to make sure I
play more than I than I um normally. Would you
know I've adopted I've adopted this during COVID just because
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you know, golf courses are still open. We're still a
go to go play golf basically throughout this whole thing,
especially in Arizona. You know, I was always the guy
that I felt like I needed to be at the
driving range. Like I felt like I should be at
the driving range. I mean, you hear the whole thing.
If you're not practicing, somebody else and he'll beat you
if you guys meet or whatever, um, all those old quotes.
You know. Henry is sixteen months now, and he loves
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to be He loves the golf course. He likes being
out the because he can run around and he can
play in a bunker and whatever. It's It's been so
good for me to go out and do that, you know,
just to go out for ninety minutes on the golf
course and play three or four holes and hit a
couple of shots, and you know, I'll take five clubs
and I'll change the five clubs out, so I have
some days I don't have a driver and have the
three with some days I don't have any woods at all.
And you know, you have one wedge, so you've got
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to hit that wedge no matter what the wedge shot
calls for. It's crazy what how different it feels when
you're hitting shots into actual greens, to actual flags, hitting
actual shots that you hit when you have to play
a golf ground, you know, I mean, that's just so
different than being on the range and twenty minutes my
past you go, I don't even know what I just
did for twenty minutes. Absolutely, And when you're out there
on the golf course, you have to hit shots that matter,
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right and you and I love that because that engages
your mind creatively and forces you to be like, Okay,
this is what I need to think about in order
to hit this wedge that I normally hit a hundred
and fifty, But I gotta hit it a hundred and
ten or whatever the the situation is. And and talking
about brilliant Henry out. That's that's fantastic for you to
spend time with him and keep bringing him out, because
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that's how I grew up around the golf course, group
around my dad playing golf and just being around it.
And that's that's gonna be stuff that you're going to
really cherish and and certainly help help him grow his interest.
I carry one of his little plastic Fisher Price clubs
that are over there in the corner, and uh, and
the first couple of times really into the club and
recently just kind of throwing to the side of my
hed's fine, whatever you wanna do. You want to go
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look at the turtles. We look at the turtles. That's fine.
Whatever you're fun is that the golf course is your fun,
and that's what we're gonna do. You. I was reading something.
I mean, I I don't are you an emotional guy?
I tend to be sometimes, uh, probably too much? Okay,
So I was really I didn't I didn't see I
hadn't seen this. I didn't I didn't hear you say
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this after your victory. But you were talking about somebody
asked you what the coolest text you got? You know,
what was your favorite text. What was the text that
you received after win? And you said it was him
You're eleven year old, which I as a now as
a new dad, I totally get that, because I mean
I could only imagine how cool that is. But I
did get a little like tiger vibes from you where
you play golf. You're a golfer, but your kids maybe
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didn't get to see you when you were in your prime.
They didn't get to see you when you're out there battling,
you know, with the superstars or whatever, and you're getting
to win. Now you said you're eleven year old told
you it was, Oh, this is really cool, dad. Yeah,
you're like you're on TV, Like like she couldn't even
couldn't even believe it. And it's funny now she's twelve,
but even two nights ago she goes, Dad, I saw
some commercial. Is that you on the TV? You know
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it's for the champions or like, yes, that's me and
she just couldn't believe it. Um, you know, So to
your point, I've I've always tried to keep it separate
as far as like not taking the round and in
the day to day stuff either home or after you
get off the golf course, because that that can totally
wear you out. But you know, so try to compartmentalize
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all that stuff is is is what you have to
do to kind of stay saying out here. I bet
And I mean, you're your life has gone through a
lot of different iterations lately, you know. I mean that's
you know, it's I mean, living in places, working in
different places, doing completely different jobs. I mean, I don't
I feel like your journey into this position now has
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been so different than everybody else out there. I mean
you you know Tanna Gawa, guys like that, where you
could throw in maybe something similar, but for the most part,
you being in the commercial, you know, you're in a
commercial with the guy that never stopped playing golf for
fifty years, never stopped playing golf for fifty years, never
stopped playing golf for fifty years, and you are the
face on there, you know, tenth in the in the
Schwab got a chance to win the charge Schwab Cup.
It's like, I am, you know, I'm I'm one of
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these guys now and my journey was just so different. Yeah. Absolutely,
And to to your point on being with Langer and
seeing all those guys, it is a little surreal to
to see that. Um, but yeah, my journey, I mean
I've been It's funny. I've been through so much stuff
with with leg injuries, a broken leg and broken back. UM,
not plan for a long time, not knowing if I'd
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even get starts on the PGA twur champions Um, you know.
And it never I'm not gonna say it never bothered me.
But I was like, Okay, this is this is what
I'm doing now, and this is what I'm gonna do,
and then just keep going, going and going, and not
not ever U like a woe is me or and
then it's just like, hey, this is fun. And again
to the point, I enjoyed the time working with with
Fox and your guys, and and that's what I want
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to do and like. And it's almost like wherever I am,
that's where I need to be, or that's the greatest
place to be right now, We're gonna take a quick
break and be right back. What I've found funny about
always watching you and Brad and all the other players
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that are out doing TV is you guys are basically
approaching golf courses like you're playing it, you know, like
your approach to a broadcast, you and Brad specifically, your
approach to a broadcast is is if you were playing
that golf of course that week, right, Absolutely, I mean,
it's yardage, books, it's putting, it's whole locations. I mean,
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because Trawli was the same way. She'd go out there
and and grind over. Julie go out as well. I
mean not to name you know, I mean Zinger if
you kind of keep going on and on the list
of of the people we had on our team. But
I was always so impressed with kind of the level
of commitment that went into what you were doing. You know,
that week, you know you're on en Core. I've been
on course before. You know, there's times where you get
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kind of lost, or your group's not playing grade and
you're not really in much. But I just always was
so impressed with y'all's approach. It's almost like you have
one like one speed on the golf course. Absolutely yeah.
And when we get out there, we I mean, we've
in order to get to where we are, we've had
to be committed, right And and I've always whatever I'm doing,
I want to try to be really good at it,
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like I wanna I want to. I want it to
be meaningful, and I want to I don't want to
half half as you can say, alfass all right, I
knew where you're going with it, but and to your
point on the like the greens and doing the homework,
and I wanted to be prepared. And the tough part
for me in the beginning was they handle the microphone
and have at it. You know. I get done with
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the first couple events and I remember calling Loumie. I'm like, Hey,
do you guys ever like send clips to like media
coaches or anything like that. He's like no. I said, well,
I know I'm the best that's ever done this, Loumi,
but I want to get better, you know, and he laughed,
how yeah. So it's it's that certainly was intimidating for me. Um.
And I liked what I was doing, at least on
the ground, because I could call golf and I could
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call the shots and kind of call what the guys
are seeing or the girls or whatever they're we're about
to do, or what the situation presented. And I didn't
have to not criticize. But certainly, Um, what you do
and what facts does in the booth, UM is a
little more of a challenge for me as far as
calling out the players. Um, what has been the part
of your game that you felt like you've had to
improve since starting on the Champions. When I drive it well,
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I score well, and so for me that and I've
struggle a little bit in the last two months and
I feel like I gotta handle on it this past week.
But um my putting this and again, when I play
fast greens, it feels like everything slows down for me,
So even my stroke has a different cadence, and I
love that because I'm not in any kind of hurry.
And and as we get nervous or close to lead
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or whatever it is your anxiety. For me, I tend
to run quick, and I know if I can slow
down just half a second, just that little beat that
makes all the difference in the world. Is the Brisoning
of golf gonna sneak into the Champions or has it already?
I mean, is this something we're gonna see where you
know distance is going to take over there as well?
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I think so. Um the guy that I'm impressed the
most with this every day is Retief. I mean, he
hits driver everywhere and he kills it um Tom Pernice.
I don't follow him on Twitter or or Instagram. The
guys are saying he's got swing speed over one twenty
or one two now at sixty one, which is incredible.
So I am definitely gonna work on seeing if I can.
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And it's funny, I don't even know what my swing
speed is, but I guess I'm gonna have to pretty
far though I do for for my size, the um
economy of the size that I am. But um, I mean,
there's got a lot of guys that they are doing
well that hit long. Scott Perel hits it long um
for a little guy. So it's it's it's definitely important.
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And it's if you can get to part fives and
two that that makes a big difference. Um wedges into
the greens on par four is that makes a huge difference.
So I'm gonna I'm gonna take around with a little
bit in the offseason. It's hard not to again the
driving range thing. As long as I don't spend too
much time on the driving range. I know that works
extremely well for Bryson. It doesn't even sound like he
plays golf. I feel like he now does it in
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like a theater. I don't even think he hits dry.
I think it's like he's built, it's there. What I
was laughing, I think my buddy Brennan poor Ath, when
he was posting videos of when he was swinging, you know,
hitting at four, he said, this is just like when
Hogan prepared for the Masters. You know, it's a little
different for the traditionalist in the world, and it's not
for everybody. But obviously, you know what we've seen success.
It's gonna be very and I think everybody's excited to
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see him at a Gusta just to see what it
looks like and to see if it works. Because you've
got to be on too, right. I mean, that's the
key to this is you can swing it as hard
as you want. We see the long drive guys do it.
But if you're a little off, you're gonna have a
bad week, right, And it's exponential on the when the
club faces off a little, whether it's path or face
open or close. But they also the other thing that
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Bryson did unbelievable that week because he chipped and putted
it incredible. His his putting was incredible. Yes, super underrated.
I mean it's It's like we love to look at
certain parts of people, and especially in golf, and you
totally forget to look at other stuff. I feel like
this with Rory and Rory was struggling, was Rory would
struggle and finish top ten, and everybody would always talk
about his wedge game, and like, the guy's finishing top ten.
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I mean, everything's working pretty well. Are there parts of
it we wish were a little sharper, Absolutely, But you
can't just look at one thing, Especially in golf. It's
hard to look at one aspect of the game and
you really try to put the magnifying glass on it
and forget about everything else. Because if guys are competitive
and they don't win, they're playing pretty good, absolutely, and
you can't win every week, right, and is two for
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two so he's done all right. But yeah, I mean
to your point on Rory, I mean I think that
he's unfairly scrutinized because he is. The expectations are so
high on him that he drives it incredibly, drives it
farther than Bryson most of the time. I think he
averaged more distance or or during the US Open, uh
than Bryson did so he's he has that, and then
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there's the expectation, Hey, he's gotta win every week. And
if he doesn't his wedge close, or even if he
hits his wedge clost, then he misses the putt, then
he's putting poorly. It's almost a no win situation where
he shouldn't look at any social media. He shouldn't look
at that stuff, and he he just and play golf.
And but he loves that, he loves posting that stuff,
and he loves being in the fray of of all that,
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and and I'm not sure that's helping him play his
best golf right now. You know, Rory gets at times,
I feel like he gets criticized because it's it looks
so good, you know, It's like the swing is so
beautiful that if he it's kind of we almost wonder
as golfers, why don't you win more? And we look
past the fact that nobody besides Tiger really wins a
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whole bunch, especially on the PGA Tour. Was there anybody
with you growing up, or anybody early in your pro
career who you felt like got scrutinized a bit because
it looked so easy and it and it maybe didn't
produce the results that the media or the golf world wanted.
You know, maybe Ernie. You know, Ernie obviously had a
great career. I mean, I'm not gonna say he's an underachiever.
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But a guy that swings like that, it looks pretty easy. Um.
Same thing with Freddie. But Freddie battled a bunch of
you know, back injuries or or injury throughout his career. Um.
I don't know, I can't think of anybody else. I
feel like, you know, when you when you kind of
look back historically, you know, we love to kind of
dissect wise Cooff's career, you know, because it hit it
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forever and he had a great swaying and he was
a big dude and he was the next Jack and
you know, it didn't quite work out the way we
all wanted it. And you you know, we can't curb expectations,
we can't curb hope right as fans, but you sometimes
want to, you know, you're just like the guy had
a good career, you know. I I I I laugh
all the time when I see these people ripping speed apart,
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Like the guys won. Guys won three may He's won
three different majors already in his career. He goes through
a slump, the career is already there. Absolutely, And to
your point, Justin Thomas, I mean, there's so much talent
on the PGA Tour now, whether you want to look
at Brooks, Dustin, Justin Thomas, any of those guys are
so incredibly talented, and they can they have a chance
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to win every week. And if they don't win every week,
everyone's like, oh, what's wrong? You know, how can they
not win? Because Brian Gay win. You know, people are confused.
I forget that. It's just it's a lot more than
hitting it and they can it look good? Yeah, And
it's four days of golf, right and and get it
in the hole, and you never know what what you're
bringing to the golf course that day, and and what
the other person, what's gonna happen. Darren Clark wins last
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week on our tour. He second HOLI day. The second round,
he picks up his ball in the middle of fairway.
We weren't playing it, we play lift clean in place.
The first round he picks up his ball and he's like,
oh no, So then he puts it back in the
same spot. Knocks it over the green in the mud.
I was just talking to his caddy this morning, Sandy Armor,
Tommy Armer's brother, and he's got no shot. It's shortside himself.
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He's got a big ridge to go up and he's
got mud on the ball. It's a not a good line.
Normally hits a sandwich. He takes a seven iron, ties
a bump and running up the hill, bumper, runs up
the hill, goes in for a par with the punnit penalty,
and then goes on to shoot ten under, goes on
to win. You know. So there's so many miniscule things
that that either add up or continual momentum or make
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or break around. If he makes bogear double there, he
does not win the golf tournament. He chips in with
a seven iron because there's mud on the ball, and
he goes on to shoot ten under and wins the
golf tournament. The champion driving distance, by the way, for you, Yeah,
that's pretty bad. I'm sure that's accurate. But I've hit
a lot of trees in the last couple of months.
I don't think maybe they don't take those into account.
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I'm just saying thirteen. It's pretty good. Before you go,
give us a facts and story from back in the
day you and facts and story, brad story growing up.
Give us something that that includes our boy Brad facts
and that we can maybe laugh at him about. Well,
I I'll give you a good one from last week.
So last week they might um, I'll play a Scott
mcaren and Lee Jansen. They miked our group and I
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literally I wasn't, like, you know what, I don't want
to do this. I don't it's gonna affect my swing.
But but after doing TV, I'm like, you know what,
let's just do this because who cares. It's just a
round of golf. It could be fun. Who knows if
they'll show us or if you get anything good. So anyway,
I'm playing okay, and I hit a bad drive on
one hole. I hit it right. It's a tough tea
shot and I kind of shot the green, but that
I decided not to because water all around it. So
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I chip it out over the trees back into the fairway.
I knock a sandwich on the green, make a fifteen
foot for par and Lee Jansen chimes in, Jesus, I
just like facts and hits. It makes a part. I said, hey,
we call those facts and parts at home, so I
don't think anything of it. I'm true. I finished around.
I'm driving home facts and calls me and he goes,
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what are you doing? Why are you throwing me under
the bus? I said, what are you talking about? I said,
I've gotten six texts, I've had ten calls people saying
you're making fun of me the golf course. I said,
I'm not making fun of you. I said, that's a
compliment to to make a facts in part that. I
love that to hit it everywhere. I love getting that
was always fun for me to get people in your
group not upset, but just shaking their head that you're
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making pars from here or making birdie from here. To
hit it all over the golf course and just continue
to play golf is is um is fun. And I
that's probably what I've learned most from Brad. I mean,
you don't have to play perfect golf um and making
you get still make a bunch of birdies and have
a chance. Yeah, I mean Brad not, you know, historically
not the straightest of driving to the golf ball. I
think he would even admit that. But he's a guy
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that got it in the hole. I mean he want
eight times on the PGA tour. You know he's not
some slout. It just well, again goes back to when
we talked about the Rory. You know, he was believable
at one aspect of it. He was not He was
probably blow average in another. But when it was not
working out, he would just lean on the part that
he was really good at. And I mean, that's what
we've seen with Rory. I asked Brad by the way,
I told him I was gonna do this with you.
I said, give me some inside. Here's what he told me.
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Likes Porsches, likes Rolexes, and then he wrote, likes to
wake up early, coffee, tequilo wine. These are the this
is the information I get from my old booth. Mate.
Need a need an update on on on that? By
the way, what do we what do we talk about
early wake up calls? Well, I wake up early all
the time, especially out here. If now and I'm a
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two hour time change, I'm up at four, so I'm
normally up at five thirty at home on the East Coast.
I like getting up early. Um, It's just it's just
who I've always been I'm not. I'm not a night owl,
like I could go to bed. I have a two girls,
twelve and thirteen, Lily and Lucy, and literally Amy and
I are are drawing straws each night. Who's gonna let
Who's gonna put Lily to bed? Because we're trying to
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get to um. But yeah, so I I like getting
up early. I like seeing the sunrise. I like that
quiet time in the morning. When is uh so if
you have a late time, so like let's say this
week you play well, it's Sunday, You've got the last
tea time out? Is that tough for you? A little bit?
A little bit um, as far as not not in
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the nervousness or anxiety, but like all of the coffee,
breakfast whatever, and probably go to the course a little
bit early. Once I get to the course, no problem,
Just that waiting around, that waiting around and waiting around
um is tough. So I do like coffee, um not um.
I used to like. So facts has been an awful
influence on me. He got me into wine. On drink
wine anymore. Then he got me into tequila, and I
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partake a little bit in tequila now. But I just
I just love the text. I got so so facts.
You can just see he was a stream of consciousness
writing everything down. Um. Last question, and it's about the
Champions Tour. You know, a you're out there, there's a
lot of conversations, a lot of people talking about age
and where we should go with this tour and if
we should go a little bit younger. What's the is
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on tour amongst the players that do you feel like
we're gonna go maybe to a forty five year old number?
Does it feel firm at fifty right now? What is?
What are the players talking about? Or if you heard anything?
You know, I don't really have a pulse on that book.
I I could see it going to forty five. I
think that would be a neat um because it seems
like the guys that are like like me, like mccaren,
like Flesh, the guys that are forty five even erne
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else has spoken about it fifty they feel like they're
getting beaten up too much trying to play the tour
and and and are are ready to go on to
be competitive again on another tour, and and forty five
might might be a good good answer. When you got
when you say you got got beat up like fifty
when you're because so explain to people that maybe don't
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know when you're forty five and you were looking ahead
at the Champions Tour, you have opportunity to play places
like what is the prep to get ready for fifty?
It's really different for each guy I got, like Furcan Ernie,
they still had status with PJA Tour, so they got
to play. Um. Most guys, there's a forty eight to
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forty nine category for the corn Ferry Tour, so three
guys can play out of that category. Like Mike, we're
played out of it for two years. I played out
of it. Um guys that are in there trying to
get ready for fifty, um to go play the corn
Ferry and and and that's a little, not a little,
it's very humbling and can be demoralizing going out there
to see how far everybody hits it out there and
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then how low the scores are, you know, and and
not certainly not not the biggest ego or a confidence
boost as you're getting ready to turn fifty, but it
is competitive golf, and that for me to play competitive
golf matters well. I mean, like again, this goes back
to having I remember I remember where we were. We
were in Florida and I was with Flesh and he
was he was talking about the transition, you know, the
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mental transition that it takes, because he knew that he
was like a year out from being fifty and he
just knew that, you know, the clicking in and playing
some events and playing some corn ferry and playing some
PGA tour. It was. It was about you said, you
almost like take the punches in the face, you know,
so that you're ready for the hit when you turn fifty,
and you're probably I would bet you that you know
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all of the you know, misscuts or you're playing with
a guy that hits at eighty past you and stuff
like that. All that stuff. It's some way, if you
look at it the right way, it could be a
huge benefit because you know you're not gonna have to
fight that on absolutely. And then you turn fifty and
then you get back on a tour that you've played
with guys the last twenty five years or however many years,
and you've seen all these guys before, and you know
all these guys. So then there's that that familiar or
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comfortable feeling that hey, and now I'm going to play
competitive golf with guys that I know. Yeah, I mean
it's and Phil talked about that with me. You know,
Phil talked about how it has been really cool to
be out with guys that he's known forever but rarely
sees now. And he's saying that he's getting a chance
to talk to guys on the range and and play
with and interact with a lot of names that were
a huge part of his life. I mean ten twenty years.
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You know, if if you're fifty five or fifty eight
or sixty, you know, you really haven't been around Phil
Mickelson and what he does in golf for a decade.
So I mean, he's getting a chance to see some
people that maybe he uh he hadn't had a chance
to see. And I think that's cool. I I really
was hoping that we'd see Michelson this week. I I
just wanted to see him. I wanted to see him
in a stage like this. I know every week is
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a big week, but I mean this is a really
really big week for you guys. I was I was
very excited. You know, like you said, you don't have
the bomb at Phoenix Country Club. It's really around the greens.
It's putting in the right side of the fairway. Stuff
like that. I always say about Phoenix. If you miss
it three or four yards off line, you're screwed. If
you miss it fifteen yards love flying, you're okay. Actually
my might have worked out for Phil. I was kind
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of hoping, just because I I like seeing I like
seeing everybody, you know, feel like they've got to take
it up a level. And I and I and I do.
I do get the sense that that's, if nothing else,
what he's doing right now for everybody out there. And yeah,
he has raised the bar and it's it's just fun
to be part of it now and to see that
excitement come to our tour. QUI, how many podcasts have
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you done? Um, I'm gonna say this might be the second.
Never nice so golf one for the first one too.
I wouldn't like a Tequila podcast or the Brad Facts
and podcast or anything. I've ben't talking to facts and
he needs to be getting a podcasts out there. I
I appreciate the time, buddy, Uh, it's been a while.
I mean I would see you like nine times a year,
and then all of a sudden, you know, you don't
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do it. But with home A on the PGA tour,
I do this. I always check his scores. I have
him as a favorite, and uh, Louimie and I when
you were just starting to get going, of course you win.
I mean every Saturday or Sunday if you were in contention,
I get a LOOMI text like do you see how quick?
Do you see what Quicks did? I'm like, yeah, I
saw it. I'm like watching, I'm like paying attention. It's
fun to have somebody to root for. I I get
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why people are fans of stuff. So I hope you
play well this week. I hope you have fun. And
I mean the good thing is twenty one right around
the corner. Do you guys start in Hawaii? Yes, we do. God,
I stated at that resort, that place is awesome. That's so.
That's so the first thing I heard after I won Morocco.
Everybody came up to me like, you're gonna love hall Life.
It is the greatest. Like that's another year away, but
they're already talking about it. And that's how special that
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places and how much everybody looks forward to it, and
certainly I am looking forward to going there with Amy. Yeah.
That that's uh. We did our baby moon there and
I did not want to leave. And there is uh
you know that. I mean, there's a David McClay kid
course across the street that is awesome, and the golf
course there is awesome, and the whole resort and everything
is great. So it's you know, it's a it's a
good time for you. It's a good time to be
bread quickly, isn't it. Yes, Yes, it's a good time
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to travel, even though you have to do this stupid
stuff sometimes. Thanks. I appreciate it. Thank you, Shan. This
is fun. We're gonna take a quick break and be
right back. A big thanks to Mr Quigley for stopping by.
Thank you for listening. I hope you guys enjoy the
week Make sure you watch a little bit of the
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PGA Tour champions over the weekend, just to see where
I make Bogi's a lot at at Tenix Country Club,
you know. That's uh, that's the course I've been a
member at a couple of years. It's a fantastic golf
course and in an old school layout, and I think
you'll really enjoy watching it on television. Hope you guys
have a great weekend, get out of play some golf.
You live in a in a warm area and it's allowed,
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and if not, you've got plenty to watch on television.
And next week we've got some heavy hitters for next week.
I'm hearing it's the Masters next week, and I say
heavy hitters, guys. I'm talking one in particular, very heavy
hitter who hits the ball heavy, and another heavy hitter
who is probably one of the more famous people. And
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then around golf. So an exciting Masters week here at
the Clubhouse. Have a good weekend. We'll be back next week.
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