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The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
Hopefully everyone is doing as well as Dan Campbell and
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company who go into Baltimore where they never lose to
NFC opponents. The final score is thirty eight to thirty,
but that was kind of a beat down. That was
thirty eight twenty four and that was the Detroit Lions
rushing for over two hundred and twenty yards. So congrats
the Lions. Congrats to the third Horrid Bob brother, Dan
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Campbell for kicking butt and taking names. That was impressive.
What a night for the Lions, their coordinators, their defense.
Rough night for the Ravens who now play the Kansas
City Chiefs in a game that we'll see two teams
that played each other in the AFC Championship Game a
couple of years ago. Someone's gonna fall to one and three.
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So this thing a lot of pressure on the Ravens
who defensively, man, they they they do not look the
same right now now. They started slow last year. But
we'll dive into this game, uh as we do after
every one of these primetime games. There won't be a
primetime reaction on Thursday. Your boys going to New York
City and I'm going We got an event on Thursday
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The events actually are surrounding the Ryder Cup as well.
So last minute got a call for some people that said, hey,
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gritty about this football game, but I think it won't
do a justice if we don't sit the scene. I
don't think we give enough credit to what Dan Campbell
and Brad Holmes have done turning this franchise around. You know,
it's been several years now where the Lions, they haven't
just been like a playoff team. They've clearly been one
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of the best teams in the league. Like this is
like three strong years running where it's like Jesus, they're good.
They have good players at literally every position where For
most of my adult life, right I turned sixteen in
the year two thousand up until Dan Campbell got there,
this franchise in all of team professional sports, I mean
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at least baseball and basketball. I can't speak to hockey,
I would say was the main butt of everyone's joke.
Was the team that you pointed to as just a
complete laughing stock, and their one claim to fame was
always in front of all of us sitting down to
eat well, depending on you know, West Coast or East Coast,
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but they always played on Thanksgiving and they were always
one of the worst teams. I looked up their record
in the two thousands, So from two thousand and twenty ten,
the record was fifty six to one hundred and four.
From two thousand and eleven to twenty twenty, their record
was seventy two to eighty seven. I mean, they were
a putrid franchise and from basically ten to twenty they
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had Matt Stafford, Calvin Johnson, the Dominican Sue like, they
had really high end players, and their franchise consistently sucked.
And this guy going into and Night had forty five
wins Tonight forty six. He's forty six to thirty six,
and that's what was starting his first year at three
and thirteen. They have turned this thing around. If I
would have told you the moment they made the trade
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Jared Goff from Matt Stafford, even with the number one
overall picks, you know, I wasn't number one overall picks,
but the two first rounders. We all would have bet
against it. You're like, wait, you're taking Jared Goff and
felt like damage goods for Matt Stafford who still had
a lot of football left, and the first rounders aren't
gonna be that good. Because of the situation with the
Rams and we look back that move changed their franchise.
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I mean, Jared Goff listen inside the dome, consistently plays
like somewhere five to eight right. He's a high end really,
he looks like one of the best players in the league.
And it's pretty clear when you protect for that guy
in this on this Dan Campbell team with Laporta, with
the running backs, with Saint Brown, with Jamison Williams, He's
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he might be a dinosaur in the way he plays.
I mean, Lamar Jackson is the best version of the
modern quarterback. Can pass, can run, can move, can do
it all, can throw bombs, can accurate over the middle,
has a good arms traight, He's got it all. Jared
Goff is a relic you see Troy Aikman in the booth,
like he's of that era. Can't move it all pocket quarterback,
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I mean, wants to run at the last possible thing
all else fails, and even then he's like, I'm still
gonna throw the ball. And he did one tonight on
a third down where he's like, I might be able
to run for five yards, but I'm gonna throw it
and he skips the ball. But what they have done
to this franchise is just it's such a high level
operation what they got rolling and you watched tonight the
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amount of talent, Like, think about this, The team they
just played is not the most famous franchise, right, it's
not the Lakers, it's not the Cowboys, it's not the Yankees.
But if you just speak over that period of time
from two thousand till today, the Ravens are known as
one of the standards in professional sports. Just consistently well run,
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good coaching, good players. Obviously he's not the GM anymore,
but a legendary general manager who is still a big
part of the operation. Great ownership, strong fan base, just
great culture. Their teams have looked mostly the same. They're
obviously with this version of Lamar, much more offensive, but
it's just like one of the standards in pro team sports,
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the Baltimore Ravens, and you watch the Lions that within
a couple of years, Dan Campbell at homes like, we'd
like your equal, and honestly, we might have better players
top to bottom than you. It's like, geez, Louise, how
did they do it? And you saw tonight the defining
characteristic of Dan Campbell, who I considered the third Harbaugh brother,
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and tonight it looked like prime Jim Harbaugh beating his
brother's ass, because that's what he did. He whooped John tonight.
And listen, Obviously, when you're a CEO head coach, your
coordinators play big roles. I questioned, the not the higher
like I understood why Dan Campbell hired Johnny Morton, But
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a lot of times guys like Johnny Morton that have
never been ahead a coordinator, never called plays, but have
been an assistant. As Troy was saying, I think been
in the league for eighteen years, bounced around, has a
lot of like high level guys pounding the table for him.
But you're like, I don't know, man, it's just And
then you saw tonight as he got rolling, he's running
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trick plays. He ran an incredible like hand off to
Saint Brown option play for a touchdown on a fourth
down that was Ben Johnson esque. The fourth down play
to Saint Brown. If Humphreys doesn't hold, which typically a
hate defensive holding, sometimes it's pretty obvious Saint Brown's still
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wide open, golf hits him in stride. Incredible play and
then like what the hardball brothers want he's gonna call
run plays over and over and over again. And obviously
with David Montgomery, they have one of the more physical
between the tackles runners and Gibbs. I don't think quite
gets the credit. It's not like Gibbs some softy. Now
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you would consider him more of an outside space guy.
He's got no problem lower on his shoulder. I mean
they call that thing thunder and lightning. I saw Montgomery
bline and it looked like he was gonna score. It
doesn't quite at the top end speed, which, in fairness,
you know, most guys are not Derrick Henry or Saquon Barkley.
They get in space, most running backs get caught. But
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what a performance of the line of scrimmage and Kelvin Shepard,
the defensive coordinator. I mean, these two guys are replacing
two head coaches, and not just two head coaches, the
best offensive coordinator candidate in a long time, and a
guy who put on an absolute clinic down the stretch
in Aaron Glenn coaching with me and you last year.
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I mean half their fucking team was gone. He was
he was coaching guys. They were just finding guys off
the street. Oh yeah, they had a game against the
Minnesota Vikings, who had an incredible season, and they beat
him with a bunch of practice squad guys. That's who
those guys were placed, and they came in at one
point in time. I don't know the final stat I mean,
I know they sacked him seven times. When they got
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to five, they sacked Lamar Jackson five times. That was
like the third most he'd ever been sacked. So I
bet seven is got to be near, if not the
most he's ever been sacked in a game. And I
think the only way to play a guy like that
is whether you got great athletes or slow and steady guys,
you cannot run out up the field on Lamar. How
often do we see that now? I would say that
about any athletic quarterback like that's like coaching one oh
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one because their ability to stop and start, change of direction,
and then obviously explosive plays, especially if you're playing man
demand defense. If you're not in his own defense, all
those guys heads are chasing the offensive players, so Lamar
can just take off and run around and you look up,
he's got one hundred yards rushing at the end of
the game, and probably a couple touchdowns and a bunch
of explosive plays. Tonight, it felt like their defensive linemen
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all broke down and kind of corralled them that they
were not just running up the field aimlessly and whatever
they did throughout the week coaching that thing up. And
I'm sure they will talk about it in their postgame
press conferences. That's an elite game plan to stop. That's
something in my eye here, just I mean, an all
time great athlete who is playing at a really high level,
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even though tonight relative to like his best performances wasn't.
The Ravens can't beat you, and typically will not beat
you when you dominate them up front on defense. When
it comes to them running the ball, and obviously this
Dereck Henry I saw stat he has three fumbles so
far this year. Over the course of twenty twenty three
and twenty twenty four, you know, thirty four games, he
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had fumbled the ball three total times over a two
year span, and he's fumbled the ball, and obviously in
these two situations against the Bills and tonight against the Lions,
accounted for ten points and changed the course of the game.
So it's clearly in his head. But you look at
tonight like he had one point. I don't know what
he I think he finished with fifty yards. That twenty
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eight of those came on the one touchdown run. So
Dereck Henry had fifty yards. Yeah, it came on the
touchdown run. So other than that, if you say, listen,
you're gonna give him the one early explosive run. If
I would have told you that the rest of the game,
he's only going to get twenty two yards, that's not
really how the Ravens play. And even Lamar, like there
were a couple times to night, typically that run turns
into instead of three yards, seventeen yards. But there was
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a dude there tripping, tacklinghim on his feet, the tackling
and when they got a hand on Lamar, there were
a couple other bodies there and they were not letting
him get out of there. It was those two coordinators.
If I was Dan Campbell, to me, the game balls
go to my two coordinators, and then if they want
to hand it out to whoever they want to after
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that point, go ahead. But you talk, we speak so
much in this sport about game planning, getting ready, ray
Lewis said, forever you pay me. From Monday through Saturday.
Sundays are for free. And that's so true, right The
games are won and lost on Tuesday, on Wednesday, on Thursday.
We talk so much about these guys, the intellectual capacity
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of these offensive coordinators putting together game plans. How difficult
it is to coach defense because Roger the entertainment aspect
of the sport. The rules are against you. The CTE
Will Smith movie that they wanted to take down football,
so they throw flags if you fucking breathe on somebody,
If I hear defenseless receiver one more time, I'm gonna
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throw up. They're playing football. They're running a slant across
the middle match and telling Ronnie Lott that guy's defense
receive if you're not allowed to touch him. But that's
the world we play now, which I say this all
the time, and Kyle Brandt said this last week. Got
no problem protecting the quarterbacks totally. We can't just have
a bunch of backup quarterbacks week in week out. But
at the end of the day, it is football, and
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it is really hard for the defensive guys to play
given the rules. But the one area where they allow
the sport to still be as vicious as it's ever been.
Is the O line and D line going up against
each other, and physical play always translates up there. And
typically the Ravens, I would say, are one of the
more physical teams in the league offensively and defensively at
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the point of attack, the line of scrimmage. Well, you
saw tonight they're missing their star defensive tackle Ambuku I
can't say his name very well and Kyle Vanoy I
was doing some math. Last year they accounted for almost
forty quarterback hits and I think nineteen sacks. Like those
guys are their dominant upfront upfront players. And I said
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this earlier when I was doing the reaction video to
Once you lose like your high end impact defensive lineman,
there's no replacing them, like the Chargers avoid a disaster
because they couldn't have replaced Khalil Mack. It does not exist.
You can't do it by committee. So you lose your
max defensive tackle who you pay twenty to twenty five
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million dollars a year, van Oy, who you did higher
off Pat McAfee show, but immediately came and started kicking ass.
And you've extended and he's been a badass for you,
like there's no replacing that. And the Lions knew it,
and they came after them all night long. Upfront, handoff, handoff, handoff, handoff,
and then the play action stuff that Saint Brown just dominates,
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right and Laporta because they run these routes over the
over the middle of the field play action. The linebackers
are all up front, and you have these spaces in
the middle of the field, even with excellent dB play
that the Ravens have so hat tip to you know,
Johnny Morton that I listen, I questioned whether it was
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gonna work. I'm not taking a victory lap, but I
thought defensively, this young coach that Dan Campbell said, I
knew he was going to be a coach back when
I was around him in Miami, I was less worried
about that because he had a front row seat. If
you watch Hard Knocks, he was like this with Aaron Glenn.
They obviously have good personnel. They have several defensive linemen,
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They've drafted and signed these linebackers that fly around branches
a stud. I mean, he could have easily had a
pick tonight. They went right off his hands. I mean,
just talk about a guy. You know, we talk a
lot about Derwin James, a lot about Kyle Hamilton. Maybe
it's because he plays in Detroit, but he's that guy's
an elite player. He's a special player. And to me,
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when you have great safety play, and obviously the Ravens
have had great safety play for decades, it can really
impact your defense. It makes your defense feel a lot faster.
So I would say the Lions cornerback play can be
hit or missed, as a lot of teams can't. But
when you got that dude flying around, you know, tackling
guys that your your dbeat, your corners might miss, and
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then making plays on any ball that's thrown, you know,
kind of in situations where uh, you're trying to fit
it in between the corner and the safety and he
can cover that ground that fast. It was. It was
really really impressive to watch. So congrats to the Lions.
Jared Goff, who takes a lot of shit for not
playing well outdoors. Now you know it's September twenty second,
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you know, like part of the knock is the weather.
Which he's from Marin County. I'm from about forty five
minutes north of there. From Davis, he went to cal
like we just where we grew up, where we spent
a lot of time in California. He lived in LA
for it's it's we're not used to freezing cold weather.
He plays in a dome now, so it's he's never
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gonna be Brett farv in uh in a torential downpour. Right,
that's not gonna be his mahomes in negative two degrees.
But if you can block for them and you can
run the ball, I do think they can function. And
clearly the way they had that defense. If your defensive line,
I'm not gonna expect seven sacks in the NFL, especially
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against a guy like Lamar Jackson week in week out.
But if you tell me they have one of the
more consistent pass rushes. Obviously Aid Hudchson's one of the
better players in the league. They're gonna be a fucking problem,
like a major problem. And I think we all reacted
after Week one they got their butt kicked by the Packers.
Packers had more on the line, lost to them twice
last year the game was in the Lambeau, But the
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last two weeks have been this team's for real. You
know why, because if their coaching is solid, no one
argued about the talent, not a soul with a brain,
because they have too many elite players at too many positions. Obviously,
they had to replace, you know, a pretty legendary center,
move a guard over, they had to replace a guard.
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They draft a guy, so you never quite know, look
pretty good tonight, look pretty good tonight. So I would
say this health was a big issue for the Lions.
If they can say healthy, they have as good of
a chance as anyone in the NFC because we talk
a lot about Philly and they're high end elite players.
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That's what the Lions have, like high end elite players,
so massive win. I think the Ravens, I say they'll
be okay, they're playing the Chiefs this week, so either
the Chiefs or the Ravens are gonna be one and
three unless they tie, and then they'd be one two
and one. I think I'll go out of a limb
right now and say they won't tie. But the Henry
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fumble thing is a problem because they when they're humming
and they're dominating, he's running around and you know, big plays.
What's weird about Henry one of the greatest running backs
of his generation. He'll be a future Hall of Famer,
more potent from the fifty yard line than he is
from the two. Honestly, he's and maybe statistically you could
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fight me on this and argue the other side he's
got a great goal line back because if you think
about it, like why is the tush push so effective
because of the angle and the leverage that Jalen gets.
Think about some of the best like Montgomery tonight, the
way he's built right forever with the Ravens, like Ray
Rice JK. Dobbins, some of their their backs are more stout,
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lower to the you know, center m gravity. Henry's like six',
four standing right, up huge target to hit at the
line or at the goal. Line and they ran the
two plays to night before they got stuffed on the
fourth down where he just get sawed off on his.
Legs he's got no. Shot so unless he's gonna leap over,
everybody they gotta Get henry, right because, Listen, lamar it's,
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Weird like his stats don't look. BAD i, thought you,
know body language wasn't, terrible but they were just. Off
someone was just. Off now likely maybe comes back this.
Week obviously he's a. FLY i was a good. Player
Mark andrews looks. Good they gotta Get henry going in
that fumble thing out of his head because you can
say it's kind of, freakish but the numbers speak for.
Himself three fumbles in twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four,
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total and he's got three fumbles this year and obviously
two of. THEM i, mean just devastating. TIMING i mean,
tonight granted they weren't leading like The bills, game they
were down twenty eight to twenty, four but then, Boom
lions get a kick a field goal and now you're
down a, touchdown so your back's really against the. Wall just,
Fantastic like that's you, KNOW espn takes a lot of,
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shit most of itself, inflicted but hiring those two guys
brings a feel to that. GAME i, mean you could
tell a couple of times That troy went six to
midnight because again he sees himself In Jared goffl, like
can't move not the biggest, arm you, know DEFINITELY i
Ain't Lamar. JACKSON i can't do any of the stuff he's.
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Doing and you could tell how excited he, was and
that fourth down pass when he throws that little Into Saint,
brown who is just a. BADASS i, Mean Saint brown
is everything you want in AN nfl, Player AND i
Think Jared goff was saying it, like there's not a
hunter catch guy in the league that's blocking like, him
and you got him cracking on defensive, linemen you had
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him cracking on. Linebackers Saint brown's a. Dog that's the
one thing The lions. Have and this is What John
harby And jim they have had a lot on their good,
teams like crazy tough dudes that like you don't really
want to. See AND i think the one thing we
say about The, lions like what are they gonna be?
Like and it's kind of the knock On Jared, goff
but he is surrounded by some bad, Asses like he's
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surrounded by a bunch of guys that WHEN i Watched
Ozzie knewsom when they showed that clip of him at
the end of the, GAME i could see him Telling
DaCosta tomorrow like the seven eight guys on The lions
that he just dreams about having on their team because
they kind of look like The ravens the way they
play their, physicality but that was just that's high level.
Product like that. Product we had some games over the
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weekend they're, like, eh you, know IF i wasn't being
paid and this wasn't my living like WHEN i watched
this in the, answers no, Right but that was a
game that WHETHER i was a, plumber WHETHER i was
a doctor Which i'd never, be uh because not smart,
enough or WHETHER i did this LIKE i wouldn't miss
a snap of that bad boy and Having buck And
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out really. Quick yesterday the forty nine ers, doctor AND
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i was thinking about this. Today the hard part is
if you're a player and something, hurts, right it's THE
nfl is a lot different than these other sports because
if You're Aaron judge or Your Kawhi, leonard are your contracts,
Guaranteed so whether you're, injured whether you're, Not, Like i'm
getting all my money no matter. What in, football it
(25:58):
becomes like you don't playing, games you don't make the
same amount of. Money, obviously guaranteed money is money coming from,
you but there's a lot of like injury, guarantees like
these football contracts are really, complicated roster, bonuses in game,
bonuses like you don't make the same amount of money
on injured. RESERVE i don't think most people realize, that but,
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like you feel, pain and obviously there are some injuries
that are very, evident but then there are some injuries
like something doesn't feel right and the doctor's, like, no
we think your ACL's, attack and it's LIKE i was
always taught you just kind of believe what doctors, say
And Nick bosas, like, yeah, MAN i JUST i don't
think it's. Right, well the doctors are Telling Kyle, Shanahan they're, like,
yeah we think he's, good and to, me AN acl
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injury should be pretty. Basic and a lot of people
keep asking like how do the forty nine ers get
so many people? Hurt and it kind of hit, me
which is crazy Because Stanford medical is not quite a
stone throw but fifteen minutes away from where the forty
nine ers. Operate their own doctors are telling the forty
nine ers that we think he's gonna be, okay and
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the player is, like, BRO i think something is majorly
fucked up. Here so to, me the forty nine, ers
you can fire strength, staff you can fire. Trainers are
we sure their doctors are capable and? Credible this would
have sounded crazy five years, ago but based on the
evidence and literally based on, YESTERDAY i text so many
People i'm, like pretty. Embarrassing look for the forty nine
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ers medical situation off the field for their star player
THEY'RE i guess pretty technically is, now but their second
highest paid player to go, LIKE i don't think you're,
right and this is a precarious. SITUATION i do feel
for players where you, know are some of these doctors
for the forty nine ers sending these guys back in
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like you're? Okay and then like they get more. INJURED
i don't, know but like they fired strength coaches, before
they love firing position. Coaches how about we take a
deep look at some of these doctors that you got
with the, franchise BECAUSE i got a massive red flag on.
Them and When Nick bosa knows his body better than
like the basic test that shows they clearly, missed which
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feels like it never. Misses we always know right, away
like all signs point to THE. Acl we hear that
all the. Time then what happens towards Acl, know it was, like,
yeah we think he's, cool And neck's, LIKE i don't
Think i'm. Cool and then obviously today out for the,
year so rough day for those medical degrees In Santa.
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CLARA i have a massive red flag on any situation
where a team is struggling college or the, pros and
it happens in, both but it's probably it happens more.
PUBLICLY i feel, like at least from a national level
in THE, nfl where in college it would have to
be Like, Alabama Ohio state for something to happen for
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it to be a national. Story BUT i saw a
headline today That Zach, robinson The titans are not The,
titans but The Atlanta falcons offensive coordinator is moving down
to the. Field AND i watched the clip a couple
clips Of Raheem morris after the. GAME i don't want
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to say, distraught but you could tell he was pretty
rattled because they just got their ask kick thirty to
nothing against a team that we all thought might be
the worst team in the. League and now they're Moving
Zach robinson down to the, field And Zach robinson's if
this doesn't get, fixed which is gonna be a problem
because their next three games are against The, commanders The,
bills and the forty Nine, ers where they could easily
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lose all three of those. Games and If pennix keeps
playing like he's, playing they Will Zach robinson will get.
Fired and the reason he will get fired because we
talk a lot about some of these hot, seats especially
one down In. Miami do you know an underrated hot?
Seat In? Atlanta THE gm and the head coach were,
like we Want Kirk cousins for ninety million. Dollars he
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gets benched in year one because they fell in love
With Michael, pennix who they said was too good to
pass up at pick number, eight who also currently. Sucks
and the problem For raheem is Now raheem, has in,
fairness worked on both sides of the, ball pretty rare
for most coaches in THE. Nfl he's a defensive, coach
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but he spent time on the offensive side of the.
Ball and he does The shanahan system pretty well because
he's tight with those guys and he's been around him
for a. Decade but, like it's gonna be hard for
him to Fix Michael. Pennocks he's. PRETTY i would say
predicated that the success of their offense is gonna come
with whoever's calling the. Plays and to, Me zach is
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about two more performances away from getting, Fired and the
moment he gets, fired the next to go would Be
raheem in the. Staff AND i would, say if this
thing gets ugly And Michael pennix looks like a disaster
and this team seven to ten or, WORSE i think
this whole place gets nuked because this owner's in his mid,
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eighties he spent a ton of, money and this team
looks really, bad and you have moments like. That, listen
you're gonna lose football. Games it's it's gonna. Happen like
The ravens just, lost kind of got their butt, kick
but it's like it's THE nfl playing The, lions probably
a thirteen win team when it's all said and. Done
if we win eleven or twelve, games it's not gonna
look that. Bad but if you lose to The Carolina
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panthers In week, three when you're one and, one thirty to,
nothing thirty to, nothing when you've invested in guys Like Kyle,
Pitts Bijon, Robinson drake le like you've invested a lot
in the, offensive the offensive side of the, ball beside the.
Quarterback AND i said this when these offensive linemens started
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going down at the end of training, CAMP i, Said,
eh one thing About pennix is the guy Ain't Lamar.
Jackson he is a pocket. Quarterback he's actually much. Closer
he ran a fast time at the. Combine but that's
not how he. Plays he wants to play Like Jared,
goff a couple of, steps sling that, pill ideally throw.
Bombs yet this, offense the bomb, offense isn't exactly The shanahan.
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Offense and it's actually not really the players that they
have much more, of like short and intermediate. Guys it
just doesn't. Mesh but, Regardless Arthur blank doesn't know. That
he doesn't speak. Football do you know what he? Speaks
thirty to nothing. Losses the guy we drafted eighth overall
Sucks like that's how people get. Fired and the moment
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you move a guy from the, booth you're basically acknowledging
like this is a. Disaster is he just all of
a sudden gonna become a better play caller from the?
Sideline there's nothing more overrated than doing that move because
he was up, there because he felt more comfortable being up. There,
right some guys are on the ground. Floor some guys
are in the. Booth Robert, Sla brian Flores, Field Vic
(32:51):
fangio booth, Tonight Johnny morton, Booth Ben johnson when he
was the offensive coordinated For lions. Sideline it doesn't. Matter
are you good at your job or you're, Not and
clearly this guy's, not so you can move him. DOWN
i don't think much is gonna. CHANGE i think we
can see this thing coming from a mile. Away and
if somehow they don't pull a two wins of their
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next three games Again Commanders bill's forty nine, ers if
it got really, weird they could lose all these. Games
and if you're looking up and they're like one in,
five Obviously Zach robinson would be, gone AND i think
we would talk About Raheem morris being and THE Gm Terry.
Fontino the whole building would would be in, major major.
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TROUBLE i want to end on this BECAUSE i didn't
really care when the story came out That shador you,
know was gonna get drafted by The ravens and told
him don't draft. Me it's, Like i'm kind of tired of.
This we're talking about this guy that's like four stringer
on The. Browns but THEN i Saw dion go on
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With travis And jason and bring it. Up he's, like
you guys see that. Story Uh he's, like, yeah it's.
True he's Like ozzie called. Me you, Know dion played
for The ravens back in the. Day if you Watch
Hard Knocks back with Like Sarah gusa And Ray lewis
And Channon, sharp Like dian was. There So deal's LIKE
i got on the phone With ozzie AND i told,
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Like i've never learned anything from the, bench AND i don't,
know MAYBE i after a, WHILE i haven't thought about
it that. MUCH I i thought part of This shador
story was not That dion was the guy dictating any.
Everything it was like some of these Were shador's, ideas
and watching this clip Of dion, Talk i'm not gonna
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Give shador a complete, pass but like if most of
us were In shador's, shoes we would do everything our
dad is telling us to do when he's deon Freaking.
Xanders but listening To dion talk Like i've never learned
anything from the. Bench, well no, shit guys like, You Michael,
Jordan Peyton, manning you've never been on the. Bench what
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you followed the fifth round and you are a, quarterback
you are a one hundred percent lock to be on the.
Bench and his big thing was, like we didn't want
to go somewhere the. Quarterback that's the dumbest Thing i've ever.
Heard when you become a mid to late round, guy, fifth,
sixth seventh, rounder you are going to a place and
you are not gonna. Play you were not gonna. Play
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but if you go to a bad, place usually everyone
gets shitty in that, environment and if you are forced to,
play it's usually really ugly and it can derail your. Career,
YET i was Looking tanner, McKee who a couple of
years Ago howie drafted in the sixth. ROUND i would
say of the current, backups that doesn't really get a
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chance to. Play Because jalen doesn't miss that much. TIME
i guess he played last. Year he's a guy That
i'm telling you watching a year when he becomes a free,
agent like one, year fifty million dollars to get an
opportunity to. Start you know, why he's in a good
organization with good. Coaching you don't want to Be Lamar
jackson's back up and be a part of The. Ravens
are you? Insane you want to go to The Cleveland
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browns where they had literally just drafted a quarterback in
the third. Round so even if they did draft, you
they've told you they like this other guy more than.
You Where i'm looking at The ravens like you'd just
probably be his, backup Where ozzy clearly would like, you
or When howie called you clearly would be. Interested you
don't want to go to The eagles or The. Ravens
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and this is the. Problem you know they, said you,
know guys Like Magic johnson or whatever can't coach totally.
Understandable how can they relate to? Anybody they can't see
through your? Eyes why do they Say Steve kerr is
such a good coach because he's been the last guy
in the. Bench he's played in big, games he's been
a role. Player he when injuries have, happened he's had
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to start on great. Teams he's literally done at. All
What's Mike vrabels go to speech to the beginning of training.
CAMP i Heard Taylor luwan and will comptensate its his go.
Too he, said there's not a guy in here SEAT
i haven't been. IN a guy that's probably gonna get,
cut sat. THERE a guy that was just drafted and.
Nervous sat. THERE a guy that's about to win a,
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job sat. There a guy that's making a lot of.
Money team captain sat, there sat in all your. Seats
dian hasn't sat in all their. Seats dan's only BEEN
i don't know the greatest corner of all. Time that Wasn't.
Shadoor so like chadors go to a place, like here's
the other. Thing IF i draft, YOU i want to
make you. Successful and that's what it felt like with
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The browns when they drafted. Him it's, LIKE i think
this is a weird, Situation like why do you want?
This that'd be the last place you would want to.
Go you want to go to not a dysfunctional. Operation
you want to go to a place with a clear
vision that knows what they're, doing that has a history
of making things. Work where you, go, like what's their quarterback? History,
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well they Kicked baker to the curb and then they
gave this guy two hundred thirty million, dollars who can't
play dead in The western and who's got awful and
if they cut, tomorrow we'll never get another job in
THE nfl ever. Again and they're literally just Playing Joe
flacco who can't move and is mostly got awful BECAUSE
i don't know, why but they. Are that's the organization
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you want to go. To and because In dion's, mind
will you put me? THERE i would be an immediate
star and everyone and it's, true but that's not the
way quarterback. Works SO i Think dion in his mind
is writing checks that his body as a player always could.
Cash there's a famous story that he's told. Before The,
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giants who in his drafts were drafted like seventh or,
eighth handed him like some cognitive. Tests it was like
the equivalent of the wonder lick or, whatever and he
looked at the guide he, said what pick do you?
Have and The giants ASSISTANT gm OR oc OR dc
or whatever, SAID i think the seventh, pick And dian
laughed in his face THAT i won't be, there and
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like walked. Away and you know, what you can do
that shit when You're Deon, Sanders but when you're ninety
five percent of most draft. Classes you. CAN'T i heard
a story this year About Abdul carter wouldn't fill out
some forms for a lot of. Teams he can do,
that you know, why because he knew were his floor
was the fourth overall. Pick, honestly looking, back it's pretty
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insane that he didn't go number two. Overall but there's
a small percentage of people in every draft that can
kind of act like. That most other, People, yes, sir, no,
sir what do you want? Me at what?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Time and that's how most people, act and it benefits
a lot of, guys right Like Dak prescott benefited going
from at the time a pretty well run offense to The,
cowboys a couple, injuries boomy starting five hundred million dollars
later When Dak prescott's forty years, old he will benefited
getting drafted.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
There you would have, said you want to go to
a place With Tony romos the? Starter what would most people?
KNOW i don't want to go, There Russell, wilson you
want to go to A Seattle they just Gave Matt
flynn a bunch of money if he Took dion's. Mindset,
NO i don't don't no, chance that's what are we talking.
About i'm not acting Like i'm A Deon sanders fan
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made my childhood when the forty nine er signed him
and they finally beat The cowboys and won That Super,
bowl and it's been fun to watch them. Coach but
that advice as someone that would have as a young man,
done you, know and listen to my, dad and my
dad was Not Deon. SANDERS i think he put his
son in just a shitty shitty. Spot, okay let's do
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a little thing we like to call the middle cough
male bag At john middlecoff At John, middlecoff fire in those,
dms get your questions answered here on the pot for
the bag just an. Observation we'll try to go not rapid,
fire but we got a lot of. Questions philly kind
of looks Like casey from last, season not looking great
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but somehow still un the. Feat it close, wins blockfield,
goals crucial mistakes from the other, team but we give
them the benefit of the doubt because they just won
The Super. Bowl do you think it's just a coincidence
or could they get exposed in the playoffs Super bowl
like The chiefs. Did is it maybe The Super bowl
hangover or just a nothing, burger and they're gonna be.
Fine love the. POT i would say the difference, is you,
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know if you look at The chiefs last, year they
were a defensive, team, right and an offense that really
struggled because they had an older version Of Travis Kelce
rice at one point in, time mahomestakes him, out he gets.
Injured you, know the running game with With Hunting. PACHACO i,
think Didn't pachaco get hurt last? Season it's all kind
of running together that their offensive tackle position was a, disaster.
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Right they started the second rounder FROM byu and then
they Moved Joe thuney out. There SO i would say
This eagles, TEAM i would Take mahomes Over jalen over
the course of a season if all things are. Equal but,
like This eagles team's better if we go. Coaching you,
know defensive Coordinator Fan geo spags elite have no worries
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about defense even if injuries prop. UP i think they're
gonna be, okay but, offensively, Obviously jalen can go through
some weird. SPURTS i also think the play callings a
little funky at. TIMES i Saw Aj brown being interviewed
after the. Game he's, like we get too. Conservative first
time play. Caller you know who's filling in For Kellen
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moore who had been doing it for a long, time
even if he wanted to nitpick him last. Year SO
i think it's more just cohesion with the coaching staff
as a play caller With jalen more than the similarities.
There because The chiefs did not have A J brown last.
Year they did not Have Saquon, barkley, right so you
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just have Like, saquon think how many long runs he
had last. Year eventually he's gonna pops. Them you, know
you just get aj the. Ball he's going to break
tackles and make Place DeVante, Smith Heisman trophy, winner top fifteen,
pick stud contract extension already like this guy that their
offensive personnel is, better their offensive line is. Better SO
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i think the only similarities would be coming off. Success
but now At sirianni has a lot of experience coaching
high level all pros team with high. Expectations so beside
like they've won some weird, GAMES i think the similarities
from a roster, Standpoint Coach reed would have much rather
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had a lot of The eagles players than the ones
he had last. Year having a debate with a few
friends the other, night would you Say kyler, is pound for,
pound one of the best athletes we've ever, seen one
of the best high school quarterbacks ever come out Of.
Texas heisman, winner number one overall, pick number Nine Major
League baseball. Pick, obviously his height has some major, restrictions
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but if we're just doing pound for, POUND i think
he's got to be up there with a guy Like Deon.
SANDERS i think if you separate the athlete and the actual,
player like the one thing he can't go toe to
toe With Deon sanders Is dion's one of the best
players in the history of, football, Right kyler is not
that at. Football though athletically on the field he's pretty.
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Special but HE'S i don't, know the thirteenth to fifteenth
best quarterback in THE. Nfl he's, good but he's not
like really, good and he's not. Bad he's just somewhere
kind of in the. Middle height obviously has huge restrictions
on his ability to play at a super high level
on a weekly. Basis so to, me the thing Like
dion or you, know It's Michael, JORDAN i think is Or,
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Lebron but when you're six six and six, eight six,'
nine you can't really play. Anything else like those guys are.
Basketball players only it is easier for a guy five
nine to like six one. SIXTY two, i mean what's
deon six feet six to one to just, you know
play multiple sports like those guys could, play, Basketball Right
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charlie ward can be a point guard and, play quarterback,
you know In Like, Lebron james like he could be
the best. Tight end he could how many six nine
tight ends? Are there it's actually pretty hard to, have. Leverage,
right obviously athletically he would, be superior but. It's not
football is a game, of leverage especially at the line
of scrimmage and. TIGHT ends i mean you could put them,
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out wide but We See, kyle pitts who's supposed. To dominate, you're,
like ah so you're missing a little. Something There though
i'm Not Comparing kyle Pitts Toll. Lebron, James Athletically lebron james.
Far superior but my point is it's it's as easier
to function probably under like. Six' FOUR so like i would,
put YOU, KNOW the nba i think typically has the
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best athletes. In the world right when he was in
the prime, OF his career I Would say russell westbrook's
athletic prowess is as good as. Any human ever same
Thing With, Like, derreck Rose right what's russell? Six' To
four what's derek? Rose Six' to two allen iverson who was an.
Elite HIGH school football player so i. Do think hype
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factors in it's easier to be a little, more nimble
when you're. Smaller especially like changing direction. SO that's A
great question i think. Kyler's, a pretty special athlete yes
he's a better athlete. Than he is A player bears Fan,
And i hated EBER flues but here's. Where i think
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you're wrong you call him the worst. Defensive coordinator In
the league but the bears defense actually is pretty good,
the last couple of years especially once. We trade it
for sweat his issue was game management and offensive coaches
play calling. Was atrocious on his watch He, has no
talent in dallas but we have seen him command a
top five ten defenses. Recently as two years ago how
many guys would not have had a bottom five Defense
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With a personnel in Dallas my issue with ebra flus
is If, we go Back to indianapolis you know i'd
have to. Go bring up the numbers he was not
like the. Best, DEFENSE in the league now i think.
They WERE a productive defense and i hear What, you're Saying,
about THE bears and listen was i HYPERBOLIC and. Overreacting
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To what i witnessed probably i'm Not Disputing that They
Have deon Sanders And Charles haley and ken. Norton junior
on their roster i'm not Expecting Them to be the.
Seattle seahawks of twenty thirteen but when, play after play after,
PLAY guys are wide open i think no one has any. Clue,
What You're Telling them right like. Dennis ALLEN'S a good
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example all i hear is How Great of? A COORDINATOR
dennis allen is, and i think sometimes coordinators when they,
have a good head coach can look better than they
actually are once you get. Them out From Under that
i'm watching dennis Allen. THIS year with the bears I
think you, would Agree Bears fans like is? Dennis allen
a good coordinator Like He, was, good with sean payton
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RIGHT he was good WITH i think was It, kubiakui
coach was in denver maybe he Coached with. Maybe It
was mike McCoy but i've just we've seen in the
Last couple of years like. I'm NOT really seeing it
so i think part of it. Is your ability to
communicate is he the worst? Defensive coordinator in the league
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obviously that might have BEEN a little strong do i
think he's, pretty, OVERRATED when everyone's Like Oh i just.
Got Matt eberflus my Defense dan quinn's, Been The cowboys
defensive Coordinator mike zimmer's. Been the Cowboys defensive coordinator, now
They've you could argue, especially quinn had better, players But
my Point is like i've seen quinn over the years.
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Can Run, A good defense. EBER flus I don't know
i just i. Got that one red flag and one
of my overall points, on this whole situation is once,
you get, into, The Cycle, it's like oh matt Eberflus
he's got to be if, you can't be head coach.
He could be? A coordinator are we sure are there
not other guys that could be better that are position
coaches that Can't get that spot over eberflus because he's
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been a head Coach who cares that the bears hired
a guy that had no. BUSINESS being a head coach
i think. IT'S kind of a scam i. Guess, that's
my overall point, now some guys it's like Get, The
second Opportunity dan quinn but dan quinn took A. Team
to A super bowl. Like dan quinn's Pretty good I've Seen,
Dan Quinn hire kyle shanahan steve sarkisian like he's. Kind
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of ON the right Guys like I got met, EBERFLUS
like i don't know i just got him a giant
red flag of are we sure this? Guy KNOWS what
he's doing. That's i guess my stance is he? The
worst coordinating the league was that a. Little, probably Over the,
top Yeah sometimes i'm emotional sometimes I'm. Amped up ON
football sundays but do? I? Think, HE'S extremely. Overrated fuck
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Yes i, do as a packer fan it drives me
crazy That everyone penciled in the packers as the. Best
team in, the LEAGUE probably guilty here but i don't
think they look, like It Through two weeks and jordan.
Love Has been, incredibly average as Colin Says do you
think jordan. Love IS an if quarterback maybe i, don't
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quite follow you there like, if he has the help, If, he,
has The Coaching, Like Yeah, Is Jordan, Love Josh, Allen,
Lamar Jackson. Justin herbert NO patrick mahomes but do? I think?
HE'S pretty good I Do i also think and Stucky.
Told us this on thursday and this dude's running the
numbers like he's. Like stock, trading With football he's like this, Brown's,
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defense is pretty Elite like don't expect the packers. To
throw up thirty. Points that's not gonna happen It's. Why
he hammered. The browns like good point, and you're, watching,
that game YOU'RE. Like listen it's the nfl you Go,
on the road to cleveland you win, a game on
the road ten to, nothing, or ten to three. Whatever
you tip your hat but, his Interception in that game and,
I'M watching the, four box, i just assume like this.
(50:55):
This is gonna be ugly there's not. Gonna be that
much takeaway, packer, fans will be like oh, we didn't
play that well but it's like. You're playing an, elite
defense whatever road. Win get out of there and. Then
he throws that interception they basically. Went they're up ten
nothing i'm pretty. Sure it, went like This they punted
then the. Browns kicked the field goal then he threw
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an interception. And they scored a touchdown so. Now it's
Ten to ten then the packers, drove kicked, the field
goal it's Blocked and then obviously the browns hit. THE game,
winning field goal i mean tough stretch. There in the.
Fourth quarter he would. Be you would be nervous, let's
put it like whatever a number that you're gambling, that
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would make, you uncomfortable, one hundred bucks thousand bucks whatever
the number is in A, huge, game right at philly.
Whatever you Would be Nervous Against, the rams with jordan
love he WOULD be the thing because. I think they're,
well coached if they're healthy. They, definitely have offensive pieces
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defensively they're. CLEARLY really good special teams i would say
historically has been a. Little BUGABOO with a franchise but.
I hear what you're saying i wouldn't. Freak out just.
QUITE yet love your content a question. For the video
you do i'm really Surprised to hear You and colin
basically trash Riola. Like he's underperforming at nebraska the kid
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took less money than he could have gotten to go
to a five win program because it meant. A, lot
to his dad then as A True, freshman in the
big ten he Takes them to their first bowl win In,
like a decade against michigan who has A. Far better
roster than nebraska he goes thirty to forty one for
three hundred yards and the old line that can protect him,
for a half a second and you guys. Are giving
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him zero credit underwood goes twelve for twenty, two four
one hundred yards running through holes that you and me
could have ran through because he's, on the far better
roster but he's. Somehow, THE far better quarterback now i.
Think you're misquoting Me, here COLIN talked about underwood where
i agree his. Physical attributes are pretty special long way
to go before we annoying him at. This all time
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great quarterback i'm. Not DISAGREEING with you There what i said,
on riola is the hype and. You'd know better Than me.
YOU'RE clearly a nebraska fan i thought a Huge reason
he went to nebraska is they. OFFERED him the most
money i know the connection with the family is and
his uncle's. A coach on the staff. The COACHES the
offensive line but I thought that he was Originally Was,
(53:25):
he Going. To arizona state Then Georgia, maybe It, was Ohio,
state THEN georgia then nebraska but i thought. THE money
KEPT going up i guess i was expecting just like the,
best player in the country, and maybe unfair of Me
Like he was THE patrick Mahomes The way i expecting.
Patrick mahomes two point zero i've just been a little
underwhelmed over the course of, his career FOR the hype
(53:49):
but because i did feel it was it's Not apples
to apples with arch because it's impossible To be as
Famous as. Arch manning the riola family but there, was
a bus, and listen like you said it's. Not like
an epic failure i'm not putting the reason this team
can ever beat a good team. On him all the
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time BUT you WATCH him And I think i, heard
van pelt say this like there's a little nonchalant about
HIS game that. It's just I Don't know, i'm watching,
john mattier again who's older but just have. MORE urgency
to his game i just like a little. More urgency
to my quarterback never, said the guy's a bum, never
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says HE'S a scrub never. SAID i cut the guy
i just think you were hoping For. A little bit,
more underwood he you knows this is what. Fourth game.
Of his career he's eighteen this guy's. ALREADY got a
year in i think sometimes when you just bring up
something that if you're, a FAN of, that TEAM which
i understand and i Get this a lot with bears.
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FANS like you hate us i Used to. Get. THIS
with raider fans no i actually am. Completely unemotional about
all shit literally couldn't be ANY less emotionally the, way
i look at sports. Which honestly MAKES me sad sometimes
now i get. Excited To talk about It But i'm
not a if, Caleb becomes a great. PLAYER i'll be.
The first i DON'T care it doesn't like i whether my.
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OPINION is right or wrong i don't, get Paid any
more money like. I'm IN the entertainment business, But i
Promise you This I'm a i'm if riola go becomes
the number one overall. Pick and, as a, star hell
Yeah that's Badass right, ARCH manning stinks right. NOW i
Hope he's good i. Hope caleb, IS a stud you
know i. Watch football for a living the, more good
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quarterbacks there are the better it. IS for my viewing
experience i don't Want To be Stuck Watching. Jake browning
or spencer rattler those. Guys seem like good, guys. IT'S
not great players though i Was kind of high On,
rattler and kind of browning and then. They BOTH had
awful GAMES but i promise. You i. Do not care
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i'm not you could argue for like six months When
It was clear that mark davis And his dude with
the raiders got me, fired back in twenty sixteen. There
was some emotional HATE i'd be lying. If i told you.
Otherwise i'm a HUMAN being but, for the i, DON'T
know easily this decade i. Could NOT care any less
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and i definitely don't care about any of this other
STUFF based. On a take i, Had if. MY take's wrong.
I'LL pivot i. Don't care i truly don't I'm. NOT
a hater of riola i Just was EXPECTING more when i've.
Wonever i watch him Play do you think the mahomes
glaze is out of hand to the point. IT hinders
the watching experience i would say his play in The
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first half, against the giants wasn't great and when he
threw a low, backwards Pass that was dropped all collinsworth.
Could do was praise him could praise him, for running
the ball DOWN for, running that was i mean. That
was a sweet, play he wouldn't shut up to the
point that my one who's not, known, for her football
wisdom remarked why is he being so praised when he's
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the one. THAT threw the poor pass i honestly used
to be. A big fan of his i Even cheered
for Him Over. Brady in the super bowl but, over
the last FIVE years when everyone on tv keeps telling
me how great he is and my Eyes can Clearly
see that josh and lamar play looks better, And more
efficient than his i've Turned into. Possibly the biggest mahomes
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hater why does, he wadle like a, penguin spread your
feet apart? And walk like, a man as sports baby
there is no better feeling than. Hate watching someone IN
sports the one thing i still am EMOTIONALLY tied to You,
like i hate the lakers and it makes it extra Special,
rooting against him. WITH lebron but it's Fun, I kind
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of like luca BUT the more and more i watch,
him in That you, know In that lakers jersey it'll
i'll find. A way, To hate him you know I'm
supposed to Hate the, dodgers being, A giants fan. BUT
honestly i don't Care I. Kind of like mookie. Betts
seems like a badass so it's like, sports hate is
a huge. Huge part of this business we're all in
and part. Of liking and disliking, players listen for whatever.
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Reason it DOESN'T bother, ME and like i said i truly. Believe,
that play he, made yeah he you, know threw the
ball backwards but he knew it and He got the
ball back you gotta ad. Bet, that was pretty incredible
now if you don't Like the reach around that, collinsworth
is gonna give him it's gonna be hard For you
to Watch a chiefs, game when Mahomes is Playing because
Collins worth treats Mahomes. Like madden treated farv h and
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you could argue relative to the other quarterbacks. It's NOT
quite as Great but I watched Collins worth call josh
and lamar's game and, it felt, like he was you
know ejaculating the entire time, all over himself non, stop which,
we all were so listen. You want to hate him
That's that's part of the once you become, as big
as they've become and they have and numbers show it the,
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biggest brand in the sport you're gonna get people that
are Gonna START, Just Gravitating, toward Anti, u the, yankees
The lakers you know the cowboys, have THIS for a while.
But I would say not the eagles. Definitely have this
right now like there Are a lot of people I'm.
Sure rooting against the eagles. They're just tired of them
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that's just that's. Part OF this whole thing so i
GUESS my overall take is i. GET where you're. COMING
from i like him i, think part, of it is
you know, HAVING friends on the staff i just know
so much, ABOUT the guy that like i find MYSELF
rooting for guys that i know. Are really high level
people it's why. IT'S really easy FOR me i remember
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when i Had a buddy joined the raven staff a
couple of years ago And. Started hearing, STORIES about lamar i'm,
like i love THIS guy and because historically i would
say that style of quarterback wasn't. Really my cup of
tea obviously he's, the best version OF it BUT it's
like i didn't i would, have bet and, sit WORKING
and it's like now. I root for the guy i
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HEAR the same things anyone i know with the Bills.
THAT have been around josh i would SAY the same
things people I knew offensive Linemen That i WENT to
fresnel STATE when i was A Ga that Played With.
PHILIP rivers and matt stafford i remember. This guy, telling
me stories i'm like these guys, are easy to root
for so and when you, hear stories, about the opposite like,
Ah this guy's a dick like. It's easy to root
against Now you're just rooting against mahomes because of YOU
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feel you're being told, x AND you. SEE why which
i understand i thought he Was, pretty good against, the
giants to be honestly, given what he's Playing with there's
A reason andy went. AFTER travis, AND not him i
mean i mean. This situation he's dealing with, and again
you're probably like why? Is everyone telling me this because it.
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Just feels kind. Of chaotic it really does When Do
we stop debating Matt stafford As. A, future hall of
famer yes he's, had a few good years but Most
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people are out In russell For. Being a hall of,
Famer and between The Two Stafford Has, two Pro bowlers
pro Bowls While wilson has ten Pro. Bowls plus and
all pro I'm with You Sometimes watching stafford because i'm
i'm pretty critical Of putting Guys. Into, the hall, of
fame like to me it should be you don't, even,
have To, think Twice, Right Ray, Lewis, Ed Reid, Troy Paula,
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Malu Peyton manning, Tom brady, adrian peterson anytimes like well
it's like you're the hall really good and in This,
world a guy like stafford you made four hundred million
dollars to be in, the, in the debate club right
we debate, how good you actually were but you're Not
In the Club With deon sanders And Barry, Sanders right
in joe montana like you, don't sit at, That table
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WHICH is fine and like i Say The same Thing About,
Matt RYAN and cam newton like i think there were
a lot of guys that were elite at could play.
At a really high Level But. It's, like even Eli
manning now the Thing Eli has Is two Super. Bowls
AGAINST bill and tom but i think we, all agree
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On the Aggregate like Was eli a hall of fame
player Or did He have? Some Hall Of fame Moments
is Matt stafford a hall of fame player Or did
He have? Some HALL of fame moments and i think
we got To Distinguish, The Two, Like Peyton. Manning tom
brady aaron rodgers those no one has, to argue hall of.
Famers No doubt about it aaron. Donald, Like best player
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forever right it's like when you. HEAR every Player Go
yeah i think trent williams it was Like the most.
Talented guy i've, ever seen it's, like yeah but? IT'S
like well's. This guy i don't know, anytime WE started
doing that then i. Think We got a problem so i'm.
IN agreement with you now, i think HE would say
or If, I was, debating, For stafford I'd Go well
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russell Got pete Carroll in the legion of boom in.
The Prime of his Career Matt stafford Got The. Detroit
lions pre dan campbell but it's like. THAT'S part OF
the gig i don't i don't. Know what to tell
You he played in the. Lions like sucks For him
rogers got the packers because there's an argument to be
made if you flipped THE two of them that i
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think we. Would have a similar argument stafford would have
had a Lot, of success with the Packers probably. Been
a super, Bowl Champ and you know aaron rodgers probably,
would have looked really good assuming he got pretty good
coaching fundamentally those first couple of years to get the
col ball above. His shoulder out of there but he
probably would have lost a lot but put up some, Good,
numbers and everyone's like ah. This guy's a freakd talent,
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he DOESN'T win that often. So i think that's fair.
But That's that didn't happen Aaron rodgers went to the
packers And. He went to The lions i'm a lifelong
denver fan and can't help but worry that this year's
team is reflecting some bad habits that we've. Endured over the,
last Decade In your opinion do sean payton still have
the qualities needed to get his team. WHERE it needs
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to be I saw a headline today i didn't Watch
The press conference that sean payton said that the offense
is not Doing, well enough AROUND bow knicks and again,
i just saw the headline but he left a little
something to be, desired so far this Season And it's,
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mainly because sean payton, said this guy's the best this.
Guy is gonna be awesome he was the one, obviously
HE blew the team which i don't have as. Big
of an issue with they were. A playoff team last
year he thought. THEY were better this year I have
no problem going i think this team. Can Be a
serious contender sean. PAYTON'S been around THE block i don't think,
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i think he believed that but he told us. How
great this quarterback is and it's been a. Little, bumpy
Road Early, on now maybe sean payton who obviously is
breaking down the film and. Knows all the assignments. Going
guys are screwing up but they're a screw up. From
being two and one right if they don't screw, up
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that field goal. Block they're two and one And that
win against the colts Looks pretty good because the colts
have played well And they were beating the chargers twenty
twenty to thirteen with. NOT that much time left i
have to look at The game log what time, Herbert
got the ball back but it was. Late in the
fourth quarter so my overall point is they're not there's
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some one in two. Teams that are not good they're.
A ONE and two team and i said This last night.
After the sunday night game when you look at the,
teams they're about to play they're gonna, get all of
a sudden you're gonna look, up and, they're gonna be.
You know six and three So their record's gonna look but, part,
of being a contender, right part of being like THIS,
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team can win the afc you gotta beat the good Teams.
And loss of the colts, now you can argue that
but like you just got to beat Fair and square
against the chargers when, you had a. Massive Advantage a
massive advantage the chargers play a seven. Pm kickoff on
the road now you can. Argue, it's an hour flight
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Still the game ends, in vegas at ten thirty, by
the time, everyone showered eats press conferences by the time,
you get on the Planet what time? Are the chargers taken,
Off one o'clock at night So by the time. The,
chargers land two fifteen now even if you go home
for a COUPLE hours back to the i mean you
are you have? No sleep as a coach you get
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back to the office six. Or seven in the morning
maybe just go to. The office and sleep there they've
already had. A day ahead of you so pretty embarrassing
loss when you factor in that like that Can't Happen if,
you're a super bowl contender because, IF the roles were
reversed I would have loved. The Chargers In that? Spot?
Is daniel Jones good now if the Colts Win the
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division and danny dines looks good, or WINS in the
playoffs am i allowed? To revoke my fan ship what
Do you make? Of the colts' early success i'm gonna.
Pepper you for the Mail There's another dark asking eli
manning for Reservations At An exclusive restaurant new. York City something,
or nothing if i'm nitpicking don't love. The look as
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a scout how would you view an unproven rookie asking
a legend? Of the franchise For, RESERVATIONS so he asked
eli i must have missed the story to call the?
Restaurant and get the Reservations, Or, Do you ask eli
hey i'm, looking to take my take this babe out.
To a sweet ass dinner do you? Know what's the
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coolest spot and, if you know the guy? Could you
call for me. IT'S a pretty, BOLD move. I would
say i don't. I don't put that much i mean
the amount of. THESE type things that happened i put
little to no stock. In any, of that situation you
know This, Guy. Also comes from ole. Miss that's The other.
Thing he's all Miss quarterback. Eli's an old miss, quarterback
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it's not totally random like There's a Connection there. WITH
lane the manning family i have a little that. Doesn't,
BOTHER me at all actually i think there's a decent
chance that they, knew each other pretty well or at
least have. Met EACH other multiple times and i do
think when you're a legendary quarterback at a university and
Then you go to The giants and then the giants
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draft a guy in the first round from your university
where he's, been A several year starter didn't eli get
his number retired a Couple of years. AGO when jackson
was there i just think that they would have. Come
in contact several times i'd be stunned if they weren't
texting over the last. Couple of years, be stunned COULD
be wrong but so i have zero issue. OR even
think that's weird, i do think it, SUCKS not Because
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you KNOW i saw saquon say i don't know if
He Said this after the eagles rams game or He
said It, like sometime thursday or friday but no one
he's rooting for more That's not Associated With. The eagles
and Daniel jones so it's like. Saquon's A high level
cat daniel, jones well liked to me it's easy if
like the dude was a slappy and it just was,
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a douche and, you're like you know. What this wasn't
gonna work but that. Doesn't seem like the case, but
on the flip side. LIKE he, did play bad i
mean was it last year or two years ago where
he threw the interception from he was getting. Sacked in
the end zone it. Would have been a safety he
like heaves it, as he's being thrown down the dude
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catches it and walks into the end. Zone for a
pick six it's like. One of the Worst Plays it.
Was like will levis level he. Was PLAYING really really
poorly But I said This About. Jackson dart and russell
wilson you could also blame, the head coach for this
like the head, coach is the offensive guy and this
situation is. Just all out of Whack so you let
say kwan, walk because of the money he. Wouldn't have
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been as good. There don't even, argue that, but this
situation like, quarterbacks you let him go and then your
quarterback Situation Is where you're playing russell wilson and this
guy's gonna be the. Comeback player of the year like
it is kind of. A kick, in. The Nuts i'm pissed.
Man my raiders suck again this. Offensive line is a
(01:10:09):
disgrace genty has to break three tackles just to get back.
To the line of scrimmage. Just. Proves your draft Philosophy
right I'm gonna give, john AND pete some TIME but
i hate that i have to go, THROUGH this for.
Another Year i think anytime and I'm. NOT a hater
Or genty i promise. YOU i'm rooting for him i just.
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DIDN'T agree with The, pick i just didn't now, maybe
call me old. SCHOOL call me. NEW school i don't
know i guess old school you. Take running backs really
high but most of the running backs. THAT have, Hit
Really high i mean ricky williams kind of, got derailed
with some weed but obviously once he figured it Out,
AND got, on the dolphins i mean he was like
the best player in the league. For A couple of
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years if i'm gonna take a running, back in the
top ten he better be Like a. Transcendent Talent like
saquon is and, saquon even has some, limitations doesn't. THAT'S
the ball you know i. Would say an elite level
but if you just look at the guys who were
drafted high in the, Last decade at running back. GENT'S
not on their, Level, i Would say McCaffrey saquon and
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bijon are pretty. ELITE prospects at running. BACK i just
know ONE, i think in the nfl if you had
to rank those four, PLAYERS coming out of college i
think if we got ten personnel, GUYS GM's college scouting
directors i think gent would. Be fourth on everyone's list.
I'm PRETTY confident on that, but i Would, say this
like Spy tech he's been around jason, knit for a
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long time, like he definitely knows talent and you can
only draft off the crop, of Guys that you get
but i'd have to go back and look. Over the
next ten PICKS but it feels like i just, Unless
you're taking a quarterback like, If all things are equal
i'm just taking. An offensive or defensive Lineman Two. Things
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annoying Is Jason garrett i'm a notre, dame Alum and
huge fan and i've listened to him pretty. Often and
it's so brutal I'M at the point where i mute
the game AND. HAVE sound on another tv i can't even.
STAND looking at, Him. Either i FEEL you doug that's,
Where i get more hate like it takes a lot
for me to hate LIKE a random player unless i
know a story, about them THAT'S not public but like
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i gotta hate like the way you played and watch.
You For A, Long TIME like james harden like, i
can't watch him play BUT. Most guys In The. NFL
it's like kyler murray i, don't REALLY like his style but. I,
enjoy watching him play right wouldn't, want TO be MY
quarterback but i honestly I enjoyed yesterday just watching Kyler.
And take on the NINERS but my point IS i
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hate broadcasters and i would just say media. PEOPLE dramatically,
more Than players i mean And I'm, with you on
jason garrett, just the side of him like. This Fucking
pisses me off this i'm angry. JUST looking at this
guy i think. This GUY'S running a scam but. I
was IN the? Car what was i, DOING oh THE
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other day i when i. GOT a Food ALLERGY. Test
i heard bryson d chambousea. This couple, OF years AGO
he said i if i could recommend one, thing to
any human being it would be to get your blood
drawn and get the food allergy test basically tells you what.
Foods are bad for you, and as you get older.
You Know your metabolism slows and i'm probably. Eating food
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that inflames me. THAT'S not healthy for me i DON'T
feel the SAME as i. Did WHEN i. Was YOUNGER
so i went. So i was driving There it's basically
RIGHT next, it's like. The ivy place blood place, Got
a two for one ACTUALLY got. My Got an iv
two but Jason garas flipping channels on Sirius and was
on with florio and actually told a pretty funny story
(01:13:46):
about how his like end of his career and he
was Going to go, to the raider and well it was,
JUST actually it was like i This is the most likable.
I've ever HEARD the guy but WHEN i see him
on tv and that fake political smile he's got, going
in the, IT'S like oh my god i didn't? WAS
he on the Call I Didn't watch, The notre, DAME
perdue game but yeah. I feel you're paying there have you,
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noticed more Flags being thrown especially IN. Week three of
the nfl i've sat here all day. AND watched almost
every game i swear. THERE'S a flag on it i
feel like it's been. THAT way for a while i
think two things that did not used to exist were
the referees impact on just a series in SERIES out
basis in the. Nfl HAS never been worse and i
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do think there's an element of technology. That has, made
sports worse like listen in, the history of playing basketball whether,
you played eighth grade basketball whether, you played high school
basketball whether you played, in college or the pros it
was clear when you both went to the corner for
a ball and, it hit off someone's hand whose, hand
(01:14:51):
it went off of even if technically like might, Have
gone off your hand but forever ninety, nine percent of, The,
time it was, like. Okay it's your ball right yet
now with instant replays like we can see, THE tip
of the nail i think football's gotten, a little bit
like that and, It makes a worse EXPERIENCE like there
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has to i, don't mind some human element not with
like the game on the, line in the fourth quarter,
but in the second quarter? Like what are we doing.
The guy barely grabbed. Him that's not defensive holding, The
quarterback got sacked? Anyway who gives a shit but the
flags and the injuries These guys are has to they have,
to be in better shape, they're better with their nutrition.
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All these stuff than ever yet guys drop. LITERALLY like,
flies every game i. Mean just think about yesterday how
Many Guys got Carted Off. Lane johnson to nick bosa
it's this guy after. Guy after guy after guy to
see you even healthy players by the end, of the
game are like is this Guy? Gonna make it to
october How Is it possible for juwan taylor to make
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the same penalties weekend and? Weak out With no adjustment
how does andy not bench him or make an, Adjustment,
at the same time well they. Don't have better BEHIND
him one and two i think there's an element if, you're,
him and You Go well this Guy brian burns or
abdual card. Or they're faster Than Me how old? Is juwan? Taylor,
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right NOW thirty three no he's i guess HE'S not. As,
old as i thought no. He's, actually he's twenty. Seven
god he feels older he's only been in. The LEAGUE
since TWENTY nineteen GOD i would i. Guess i was
way off second round pick. Picked thirty five Twenty nineteen
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damn played. At FLORIDA sixteen to eighteen so i mean
he's just not as good as. AND fast as these
guys i think he's doing this to. Try to beat
these guys but why he's, JUMPS and. OTHER guys don't.
I don't i don't, Know a long Time listener, i'm
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A diehard eagle fan and i'm tired of the slander that,
gets Thrown on This Team. Specifically sirianni and jalen hurts
I've watched, a lot of eagles football and these, dudes
Just Win two time two. Super bowl appearances and CHAMPIONS.
HURTS won the FUCKING mvp i ADDED the f bomb because.
I think he deserved, It my question is this although
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it's absurdly, absurdly early in the season who's Your Pick
to win the super bowl after seeing the first three
weeks After, the win against the Rams. Mine is undoubtedly
the eagles they are proven winners, and no matter the. Circumstances.
Congratulations on the baby uh I'm Recording This. Part before,
MONDAY night FOOTBALL you know I think I would say BILL'S,
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OR ravens in The afc i think the chiefs are.
STILL gonna be heard from i WOULD. Say this, about
the nfc your team, when healthy is really good and if,
you have home field, advantage it's gonna be. Really really
hard to beat your. Those two big defensive linemen zach bond.
Is such a Good, player now You add campbell you.
Get fangio scheming them up you have, so much talent
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on offense but, like your offense has. Shown it can
be stagnant, whether that's The play calling whether that's jalen
just gets into. A weird rhythm like that. We're not
making this up, So In a playoff game help yesterday
is a good example that if your defense one of
those stops turn, instead of a field, goal turns into
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a touchdown you just can't come back because the numbers
aren't on your side and this is. Not A seven
game series So, i, would say, the rams, obviously you
guys to. Me would be the favorite and then there's.
That next group of teams and the thing you got,
going For You is like is? Jordan Love Gonna beat
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you is? Jordan love Gonna beat you like the packers
unit and the coaching, staff like they could? HANG but can,
the quarterback i would say we. Do not know that
yet stafford could you know. HE played a good half
i thought the second half he was. A little, hit
Or Miss you know it's jared Goff gonna go outside
in Philadelphia in the middle of. January And win a
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game sam. Darnold is gonna do that the Forty Nine.
Ers just lost nick. Bosa don't love their. Chances tampa gotta,
GET healthy if, they're healthy i you know they've Historically
kind of had the. Eagles number, A little bit, so yeah,
i would say you guys with the next group of,
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like four or five. TEAMS the, football it's Weird I
mean It's Just joe montana and bill walsh lost. A
Lot of Playoff games tom Brady and belichick lost A,
ton right To, the jets To the Ravens To. The
broncos to peyton manning you could be the. Best team
and still lose that's, what makes, football so awesome SO
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unpredictable especially in. The nfl more than college this IS
the next question, what i was just Saying do you
think this buccaneers Team remind you of? THE chiefs from,
last year, I loved it you know i Got. Asked
that About, The eagles now, the, bucks like you say
hey can we, just have a weird season but go
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fifteen to Two And. BE in the super bowl i.
Don't Think anyone can parallel the chiefs had Been To
five or six super bowls right or at, the time
four or five and they had many considered. The, best
quarterback in Football, now you guys got baker who's excellent.
Coming back in these games you have. Excellent play at
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Every position, You're gonna get Wharfs back. You're gonna get
godwin back you have. Some really good Defensive, players YOU
did LOSE clancy. Who i guess i saw the headline
can come. Back potentially, in the playoffs to. Me There's
some pass rush. REMEMBER jason light texting me i text
him something about the, rookie receiver in training camp and
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he was mentioning this guy THAT they lost to an
acl injury that was. Having A great training camp like
they've had some injuries on the defensive, line with the
edge rushers so that to me. Would BE a Little
concerning but i think tampa's pretty Good question for the back?
Is IT Possible this year the afc, south has Two
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playoff teams with the, Bengals looking like a joke steelers
being complete ass and the only TWO other conference playoff
teams I. Could, see is the west however could You
See a Scenario where indy houston? SLASH jacksonville make the
playoffs i don't know what the stats are over the,
last three or four years however long they've been. DOING
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the seventeen game season i think it's pretty difficult in
own three to make the playoffs because if, you go
oh and three if, you go seven and seven, the
rest of the year. You go seven and ten so
to go to get, ten wins at ohen three you have.
To go Ten and four are the? TEXANS going ten and,
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four i can't see that, not THE way, they're, PLAYING
because i thought. LISTEN i bet, on them i was
like this is the week they flipping around and then.
You're looking like the. Same it's the same thing. They
LOOK exactly the same So. I it would be indy
you're three and zero, and you're you're just good and
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you have a. Coach that's clearly pretty. Dynamic, Their defense
is better like i'd Be a little stunned if indy doesn't.
Get to ten wins again you, can Have A quarterback injury,
if anthony, richardson came in, WHO knows But assuming health.
I think indy Is in i would say indy to me.
Would be a little stunning if they Didn't win the
DIVISION and jacksonville is just. I would say they're interesting
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i Actually have A theory on jacksonville because i've seen
a Lot Of People talking about brian thomas junior kind,
of COMING back to earth and i was thinking about.
This today at the. Gym it's kind OF sad this
is what i. GET into deep thought about i wonder
if he is a little derailed emotionally and His Confidence.
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By them DRAFTING travis hunter it's like i was the
young star and then You Trade, up and get travis
hunter who not only, gets to play my position BUT
also gets to play dB and everyone just anoints him
as like the most, Impressive THING they've ever seen and i.
Don't know if it's true and Again it's not like.
HE'S i've read any, headlines I was just thinking if
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i WAS in his shoes and, I was a, young
person let's, face it when you're young you could have
as much outward bravado. And cockiness that you want like
our our. We're all a little insecure that could. Rattle
YOU a little bit and i wonder if that derailed,
him A little bit mentally because i know he made
like one of the big plays In the, end of
that houston game but he's spent a bad season so,
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far RELATIVE to the hype And I wonder if the
travis hunter thing has kind of. BACKFIRED on, them that way,
i mean let's face it if they, could do it
over again how would You. Not take ab dual. Carter
it's just you can't How do you take. This guy's
a pass Rusher He's kind Of like, micah parson's light
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and honestly it's not inconceivable That He could just become
micah parson's two point zero and you're gonna take a
wide receiver corner over that in what? Land where football?
Is taught do you go if both, these two things
are equal. You can take either one. That's who you're
gonna take so if you're gonna trade, up from five to,
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two if they Traded up take ab, dual carter and,
be like damn. Ballsy move but good move i've Been
a fan. OF the pod pre volume i won the
hoodie in My Pick during year And Collins Pod After.
THE chiefs eagle super bowl. I don't even remember that.
But congrets at any rate i've had, This take for
a while but get crickets from. Other quote unquote football
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fans how many plays in the, playbook have everyone on
offense including the center? In a four point stance the
tush Push is the only one? I've seen this century
anyway is it the biggest reason the refs can't see
the false starts and the offense already has the? Advantage
of the snap count pretty hard for. D lineman, to
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get leverage to me that is an easy way for
the league to get rid of the play without. Getting
rid of the play it's a good question if you think, about,
most like goal lines right if you're at the one
yard line and it's third and, goal or fourth and
goal and it's. Like they're gonna. Run It, defense knows
it non, Eagles most of the offense i'd, HAVE to,
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look Even closer i guess because i'm just assuming most
offense is in just. Their normal offensive line stance but
most defense in goal line, has a four point stance
especially from the five or six defensive linemen that you
put on. The field for goal line both hands are down,
and you know their legs they're like they're in. The
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position for the touschbush but it doesn't feel. Like THE
offense often is so i think the issue is less
about the chaos there and More about the shove for jalen. Behind,
THAT feel that people honestly i think it's less about
the play and more just that like, no one can
stop it and it's just it's. INEVITABLE what's, going to
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happen i, mean you're watching the game and every, time
they even get closer like could they just, from the
touchbush right here, it's like third and four could they
just get two yards or three, yards and then one yard.
TWO yards and two Yards i just Think. Whenever i'm, watching,
the eagles i'm like oh they, could just run it
now and. That that kind of sucks and you can say.
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The integrity of the game it's a football play based. On,
the rules right now true but this is entertainment and
it feels like not, that entertaining of a play even
if they're clearly the only teams that can do. It
and do it well so there been a lot of
reports could have. Get banned during the? SEASON could IT
get Banned I think i saw jason kelsey say that
he expects, it to, go away after. YOU know during
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this offseason i would tend to agree the volume