First (3:00), Colin explains why CBS reportedly needed an ‘intervention’ with Tony Romo due to his lack of preparedness, and what Tom Brady and LeBron have in common.
Then, First Things First co-host - and host of the What's Wright? podcast - Nick Wright joins Colin to discuss why Andy Reid continues ascending when Bill Belichick is declining (15:00), why Nick was cut from the Syracuse college radio station play-by-play team (21:00), how they both adapted as sports opinion broadcasting evolved (24:00), what separates Patrick Mahomes from all other NFL QB's (30:00), where Aaron Rodgers ends up next season if the Packers move on (37:00), what's behind the imbalance of elite QB's over the NFC (43:00), and why the public seems so nonplussed over LeBron breaking Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s all-time scoring record (47:00).
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and welcome to our Friday morning podcast, Nick Wright. We
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I thought I'd rant for about ten minutes on something
that I normally wouldn't waste time on for radio or
FS one, But you know, this is why I have
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this podcast company. So I saw this story today and
it's a story that's been simmering and been discussed a
lot in the last two weeks on the interweb. And
it doesn't really mean anything because Tony Romo makes seventeen
million dollars a year guaranteed. But Andrew Marshan on his podcast,
a New York Post radio TV critic media critic had
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said that CBS was getting concerned about Tony Romo's sort
of unconventional style, undisciplined style, and there's been slippage with
Tony Romo. My takeaway was for no other reason than
because I don't talk a lot of media. But I've
been doing this for thirty years, and I thought this
is an interesting thing. I think for the audience, it's
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kind of instructive. So when you get out of the
NFL or NBA or any sport, but let's talk NFL
and Tony Romo, who I think does a fine job.
I've never already bought into the hype. I thought predicting
plays was kind of silly and overrated. It doesn't mean anything.
The media freaked out. I don't care. That's not why
I watch you to predict plays. I look for insight
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that I wouldn't get interviews, I wouldn't get information I
wouldn't get elsewhere. And that's why I think Greg Olsen,
by the way, is crushing at Fox. So when you
first get out of the league, your first year or two,
you're generally the most familiar with the league, but the NFL.
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Two things are happening. Number One, there's younger general managers
in the NFL, and they are trading players without a concern.
And if you look at the average NFL career, which
is about four years, the league turns over about every
three to four years. So a guy like Romo can
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come out of football have a real understanding of the personnel,
the rosters, the coordinators, and then all of a sudden,
some of those coordinators leave, go to different places, go
to college football. The rosters turnover three or four years later,
and you really have to do your homework. And the
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knock on Romo, and I'll get to this more in
a second, is that he doesn't really put the time in.
So networks get really, really frustrated when they pay you
a fortune, they put you on their number one event,
and you're not prepared. So Romo makes seventeen million a year,
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that's been reported. And if you consider that Jim Nance
talks for more than half of the broadcast, sideline reports, commercials,
the game itself, Romo's probably talking for twenty five minutes
once a week. They want you to be really, really
dialed in for that twenty five minutes. I'm on the
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air fifteen hours a week ad libbing with no game,
just talking. You're gonna make mistakes. Charles Barkley, By the way,
it doesn't follow half the league. When the Lakers made
a acquisition or a trade recently for a wing from
the Wizards, Shack had never heard of him. He covers
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the NBA. So Shack Barkley Television's entertainment Harry Kerry was
a legend. He was drunk on the air at various times.
But football is different. You get twenty million viewers. It
really is the most important broadcast singular three and a
half hours weekly for networks. And if they're paying you
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seventeen million dollars and you're talking about twenty minutes a week,
they want you to be dialed in. I always had
this theory that and I use this for years when
I would interview people and I was going to hire them,
if I had lunch or coffee with him, I always
asked him if they loved golf, Oh, I love golf.
Do you love golf? And if they said yes, I
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wouldn't hire him because I always had this theory that
as guy's age. Many of them get addicted to golf.
They're on pgatour dot com. They're putting in the backyard,
they're thinking about it at work, they're scheduling a trip
to Scotland, and they lose sight of their other job.
Romo wants to be on the tour. He literally wants
to be on the tour. I mean, what's the first
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thing Aaron Rodgers does in the offseason. He goes in golfs.
He loves it both by the way, great golfers, especially Romo.
But I've always felt like Tony Romo is one of
those guys, and we all have somebody on our social
circle like this. They got the golf bug. He's had
it for fifteen years. Tony wants to be on the
PGA Tour, but he likes to paycheck at CBS. And
I don't think he does a bad job. I think
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he's fine. I think initially Romo was overvalued with predicting plays.
That's not why you know. I mean, if he did
it once in a while, it'd be great, But that's
not why I'm watching you. But when you're only talking
about twenty minutes a week on the biggest broadcast, for
a network where they pay billions of dollars annually. They
want you to be dialed in. And I'm never going
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to criticize somebody because they slip a word up or
you know, mispronounce a name. Live TV is really easy
for people who've never done it. Romo and Jim nance
have producers in their ears and directors in their ears,
and they've got action and they've got ads to read.
It's not easy. But when I listen to Greg Olsen,
he sounds like he's been studying for that three hours
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for six days. Romo sounds like sometimes and he's entertaining.
He's winging it. And again, I think Barkley and Shack
wing it. But the NFL is different, and people love
Barkley and Shack, but it's the NBA. There's eighty two games.
It just doesn't matter. They're on the air for hours
every week. Nobody's losing any sleep if they don't know something.
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I mean again, they make fun of Barkley not knowing
players in the NBA. But those NFL windows man, those
analyst jobs, those networks don't want to pay those guys
seventeen million dollars a year, so they sit there with
a microscope and you make a mistake or they think
you're not putting in the work, they're gonna leak stuff.
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This stuff gets out by the way. Marshand said, CBS
attempted an intervention that only gets out because CBS wants
it out. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Romo's
agent calls CBS and asks for CBS to release a
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statement denying the report. Wouldn't shock me. Before I get
to Nick Wright, because we'll debate this story. Nick has
a belief that when Lebron James breaks Kareem Abdul Jabbar's
all time NBA scoring record, that we really aren't giving it.
It's just due that we're not giving it the momentous
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appreciation that it deserves. And I think it's not because
we don't respect Lebron James. I've felt this with Brady
and Lebron the last several years. I believe they've been
so great for so long, there is fatigue. And part
of Michael Jordan's popularity is that he left the sport
(08:29):
and returned, so his career had multiple stories. College Michael
early can't beat the Piston Celtics. Michael gets Pippin becomes
the King, Baseball returns, loses to Orlando, eventually wins three more,
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then breaks up SIA Wizards. The book had multiple chapters.
Lebron didn't have a college career. Lebron was great very quickly.
Lebron changed a couple of teams. But he's been the
best player, arguably for fifteen years in the league. There
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isn't this arc, these disappearances, Baseball return different story arc
in Chicago, battling constantly with his GM. Basically, Lebron has
been great for fifteen years. He's changed teams, but finals, finals, finals, finals, finals, finals.
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Once he started getting to him, he went back to
him for almost a decade straight. And so there hasn't
been a lot of swings to Lebron's career. Great early, great,
middle with titles, still great, with one title with a
dysfunctional Lakers, and so and I felt this with Brady.
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Brady was great early, there was a gap when he
didn't win championships. He was still great, and then it
was great late in New England, and it was really
great in Tampa, and then he retires. Where are the swings?
The story arcs Brett Farve was problem early then he
was great, pushed out by Aaron, goes to the Jets,
goes to the Vikings. You know, there's a lot of arcs,
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there's a lot of different storylines. I think Lebron and
Brady were so great early and so great often the
new cycle. We're always looking for the new thing, the
exciting thing, the controversial thing. It's not intentional. It's the
reality of John Morant, Zion Williamson, Josh Allen. It's new.
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Everybody likes new, the new restaurant in town, the new club.
And I think when you're great early, great in the middle,
great at the end. I mean Tom Brady set two
NFL records at forty five years old. Pass attempts and
past completions, is that, you know. It's like when Martin
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Scorre says he has a new movie. He was great early,
he was great with Good Fellas, he was great with
the Irishman. Everything's great. It's like Spielberg, when wasn't he great?
Everything he puts out is phenomenal. So we don't talk
about him as much. Doesn't mean they don't think Spielberg
is one of the most remarkable creative geniuses in the
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history of Hollywood. But when Quentin Tarantino came out, it
was like he got ten times to press. He was new,
he was unique, pulp fiction. Who is this guy? So
not that anybody's a victim, Brady Lebron Spielberg of their success,
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dot in West Virginia. When I started in this business,
opinion was rare um. When I first started in this business.
There was no national sports talk radio. Rome was the
first to make it, and then now it's exploded. Opinion
now dominates cable TV. Opinion is where the money is. Eight.
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I was a local sportscaster, and I had a fine
career as a local sportscaster. But when opinion became more influential,
driving revenue in ratings, my career exploded. I didn't get
more talented, I got more opportunities. So Andy Reid enter
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this league. When you could grab his receivers, his receivers
could be crushed over the middle of the fielding you
could drive his quarterbacks into the turf. They were always hurt.
And then it changed. Then the league, due to safety
(14:27):
CTE safety regulations, has now given all the rules not
to Belichick's side, to Andy's side, and to Andy. Andy
was always always as good or better than Belichick, but
his industry was built against him. And now finally there's
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even footing or advantage Andy and he is separating from Belichick. Well, listen,
I do think that we're all belichick credit is. I
do think he has a better grasp on the coaching
minuchet that drives me nuts, the clock management, the challenge
stuff in a way that Andy still struggles with at times.
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But holistically, I think it's one hundred percent correct. And
I had on Thursday, I had Mahomes on the TV show,
and I kept every time I talked about the Chiefs
being disrespected, the chief, super Bowl window, any of these things.
Now and listen, he's a brand and he knows, you know,
how to handle himself. His love for Andy Reid popped
(15:37):
off the screen. He said. When I asked him, did
it seem like the national media was ready to turn
the page from the Chiefs and love the Bills or
the Bengals or the Chargers prematurely? What he said was,
I think as long as we have Andy Reid, we
should be the favorites like that, And so he that
relationship there. Andy's, by the way, not a young man anymore.
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And no one, our mutual friend Danny Parkins made this point.
I think it was smart. He said, no one is
discussing is Andy Reid retiring if they win this Super Bowl.
He's obviously dealt with personal tragedy. He you know, he's
done it. He's a Hall of Famer all these things.
And what Danny's point was is and it's because everyone's like,
(16:20):
why would he retire? He is Patrick Mahomes. They're gonna
continue to dominate. He can climb. He's three wins away
Colin from being fourth all time in regular season wins.
He's already now second all time in playoff wins. He's
going to have a claim as the second greatest coach
of this era of football. I think he already has
(16:42):
that claim. And I think your point is, what if
the Chiefs win three of the next five and then
he walks out the door, can you make the case
he's the best? Like, it's gonna be interesting. It's at
least going to be on the board if he ends
at four and Belichick has six, but especially if the
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Patriots never pop back up, because I know what people
people can say, well, Andy had Mahomes. Yes, but Andy
made five conference championship games in Philadelphia without a Hall
of Fame quarterback, with a good quarterback, without an accurate quarterback. Yeah,
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I mean McNabb was not a bad quarterback, but he
was not a Hall of Fame level player, and he
made five NFC championship games. There might have been six.
I think it's five. But it is interesting is that
sometimes cultures change and opportunities present themselves, and people don't
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suddenly just get talented at fifty. Let's be honest, you
flourish in the opinion space. Could you probably would be
as effective as a local sports anchor, all right. I
got caught from the Syracuse college radio station trying to
do play by play because I couldn't the at W
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A r that before you can even try to do
play by play, you have to do a ninety second
sports update, like you know what they used to do
on local radio station. Yeah, yeah, Colin. I came in
twice a week, ninety minutes each time, for three semesters,
a year and a half, trying to get cleared to
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do ninety second sports updates at a college radio station.
And then, God love him, the guy who's now the
voice of the Las Vegas Raiders, Jason Horowitz, had to
call me. It was like, buddy, you're a second semester, sophomore,
and you're not even to the first step. We gotta
you gotta go, You're not. I got cut from my
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college radio station because oh I was. I mean, it's
the whole reason I went there, So the whole reason
I went there, But I was fortunate in that I
was already working on the talk show staff, and I
then just grab and I was kind of realizing, like man,
I thought I wanted to do growing up, I thought
I wanted to do play by play, but what I
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wanted to do was color commentary. I would watch the
NBA on NBC with with Costas and Walton and Steve
Snapper Jones, and what I wanted to do was the color.
But I didn't realize you can't do that unless you're
a former player or former coach. They're not hired me
a color commentary. But then you know, they did hire
Dennis Miller briefly like they hired Kornheiser. So I was like,
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oh maybe at some point um so no, I was.
I was crushed, but it I then it made me
fully pivot to talk show. And you know, little Humble
Bragg here now at War the talk show studios named
after me and my pictures on the wall. I'm a
Hall of Famer there, that's true story. Marv Albert, Bob Paste,
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Nick Wright are the three studios there. That's true and
so but the point is, I'm not a great broadcast.
I'm I have a like a traditional broadcaster. You know
what I mean. I can't read off a teleprompter. I'm
not good at like I have a nasal. But there
is a specific thing I can do, which is confidently argue,
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no matter whether it's you know, one on one with
my wife or in front of a million people. Well, also,
you're entertaining. In my preamble, I talked about this. Charles
Barkley doesn't watch the league he broadcasts. He literally doesn't
know ninety percent of the players. He's entertaining. Nobody wildly
entertaining the audience. They don't care. Nobody cares the entertainment
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business that we're in. And you get extra credit for
being right and smart and all these things. But what
a lot of I think broadcasters don't understand is this
the perfect storm is entertaining, smart, funny, correct analysis. Right.
That's like you, if you could check every box, that
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would be it. You can get away with You can
even thrive if you're with your picks, always being wrong,
with your analysis, always being off. As long as you're
entertaining and captivating. If you you could be right on
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every prediction, know the name of every player. And there's
a few broadcasters you and I both know. We don't
have name names that are like this, that are buttoned
up on everything and they're boring. But if you're if
you're boring and don't captivate the audience, you're drawn dead.
You're just flatly drawn dead. Years ago, there was a
guy named Pete Jenncini at ESPN. Yeah yeah, yeah, really
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nice guy, and um, when I got to ESPN, they
didn't they weren't doing radio very well, and they brought
in a guy named Bruce Gilbert to kind of fix
Mike and Mike there was a big vote whether to
keep him or not when I first got there, and
it was like nine people voted five to four keep them. Wow.
So Bruce Gilbert came in to fix them and hire
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somebody to replace Kornheiser when that was that was the guy.
And Pete's a really good guy and real smart guy.
But we had a discussion one time and he said
the number one the number one thing at ESPN is
to be informative. And I said, Pete, it's number two.
I said, I've watched you either demote or get rid
of really informative people. This company has never gotten rid
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of somebody. That's funny, on the air and enter entertaining. Ever,
ever they may leave you, you don't get rid of them.
I've watched you not promote people who are informative. I said,
we radio TV is the entertainment business. Remember when Barbara
Walters was a journalist and she was doing twenty twenty
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and she was doing sit down Kushey interviews with Johnny
Carson and Steven Spielberg. That was the entertainment division. It
was the highest rated thing she did. That's why Barbara
Walters made a fortune, not because of her journalism, because
she would do these sit down interviews that got massive ratings,
and they were that was part of the entertainment budget.
And so when I had this this discussion with Pete
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who again this is not a criticism, and I just said, Pete,
I'm watching what the company does you promote really entertaining people.
The messaging is be entertainment. Well listen, and for me
that was listen. That took me a long time to
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grasp on television because I'd figured out radio. I'd figured
out how to do like the radio show exactly the
way I needed to. And then when I got on TV,
I think the first year maybe I thought the job
was to always have all the answers, to have my
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you know what I mean, to have the facts exactly right,
to to never to never be wrong. You know what
I mean to always and what I'm you know, I've
now done the show five and a half years by
a country mile. The most successful version of the show
I've ever done is the one I'm doing right now
this moment with Wilds and Bruce Arry. It's the funniest.
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It's the funniest, and that's why now I still It's
not like I have forgotten that info. I still have
the info available to me, but I am not out there.
I used to approach the TV show with the perspective
of I have to I have to prove else smart
I am to the audience every single day, and now
I approach it as our entire goal is to put
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on a show that people smile while they're watching. You
know what I mean, That people smile all they're watching
and have a good time, and that has enough meet
to it to where it's not all empty calories. There's
got to be the information, there's got to be the analysis,
but there's also got to be a lot of bells
and whistles and funny stuff and you know what I mean,
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Guys messing with each other and that's what works. And
you know what I mean. That took me a while
to figure out because people, you know, when I first started,
they would say to me, the best version of you
is when you're on with Colin. They're like, can you
can you try to be more of that on First
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Things First? And I ain't part of it. I was like, well,
I get up for First Things first a three thirties,
so I don't know. Oh, I'm not certain. But the
other thing was is especially early in our relationship and
I still do it, but especially early in our relationship,
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I was really really trying to impress you, and I
wanted to make you laugh. Like every time I came on,
I was like, it's successful if I make Colin lamb.
And I didn't. I was too stupid to fucking realize
I should just be trying to make the audience laugh too,
and I have to get out there and like to
tell jokes, but the same, you know, and so, but
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that was the best version of me at the time
was because I wasn't trying. I felt like you knew
I was smart, so I wasn't trying to prove it
to yet, right, so you know what I mean. So
I could just kind of be the best version of myself,
and that's what works. That's what works in this business.
You go across the networks. I'll give credit to the
other network, even though this show happens to be up
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against mine at one point. A show that I did
really works on the other network is NFL Live because
those people like each other and they're fun together, and
they bust each other's chops and they have real info,
you know what I mean. Like that show whenever I
can't watch it was all the same time. But the clips,
I'm like, oh, they're fun, they're funny. That works. That
always will work. People that get along, that are smart,
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that know what they're talking about will always work. Well. Yeah,
and I don't watch that show, but I know the
people on it and they're likable and they're fun. And
this mug is from war the radio station that cut me.
That's so fun. They've sent it to me today. Hey listen,
you're fine, here's a mug. Yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right. Um.
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So people think from time to time, I don't like
certain people. I don't like Russell Westbrooks half court game.
He's probably a wonderful guy. It drives me crazy. I
don't like I don't like the neediness of Aaron Rodgers.
I think he's a smart guy and a wonderful quarterback. Um.
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But I do think about it that if I ran
into Aaron or Russell, they wouldn't like me. And I
totally get that. Andy Dalton once ran into me and
I called him the Babe water Pistol for a decade,
and he was really really sweet. But Rogers is a
fascinating person because he really does project a lot. He
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had another one this week when he said, apparently they're
doing discussions. You know, I'm not involved, which is interesting,
and I thought it's interesting, Aaron, You're so smart, but
you lack of basic self awareness that you are projecting constantly, passive, aggressively,
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and it's why you know I've said this about Aaron.
We give too much credit to talent. What really separates
Mahomes is his self awareness. He's so eff and good
at the podium. He is such a good teammate. He
almost never ever compliments himself. He goes the talent thing.
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I think that Mahomes is gifted, But I think when
I talked to Sean Payton, I went to dinner with him,
spent four hours with him. Sean Payton told me that
they flew in to Lubbock or wherever god forsaken town
he played college football in. Yeah, they wanted to draft him,
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but go ahead. After the workout, they brought in information
they thought would overwhelm him and would take three days.
Within two hours, he had digested it and was vomiting
it out to them. He said, it's the smartest player
I'd ever interviewed. We got on a plane, we told
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nobody we were there, and Sean said it was the
greatest quarterback I'd ever worked out or gone to a whiteboard,
and that where Mahomes is underrated. His ability to consume information,
see things and let go of the ball instinctively is
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the greatest I've ever seen. I think. I think Josh
Allen has a stronger arm. I think Lamar is faster.
I think Kyler Murray is almost more elusive. I think
above the shoulders, Mahomes is almost the performance artist. He's
he's prince, he is He's the world looks different. His
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dad was on I'll mention second second Danny Parkins shout out.
But his dad was on Danny's radio show a couple
days ago and said, the Bear the reason Mahomes counted
on his fingers when he scored a touch sound against
the Bears was because the Bears told him were drafting
you at three and then they trade it up for
Traubisky and Mahomes was crushed because he really wanted to
go to Chicago. But in that same interview, and I'd
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never heard anyone say this, he said that Patrick has
an idetic memory, which I just googled what that meant. Yes,
and that you can see something once and then always
be able to pull it back, which I'd never heard
someone say that about him. And maybe that's a dad,
you know, embellishing about his kid. I don't know. But
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if that's true or something close to it, And what
you know, you're saying, Sean Payton told you it does
now all of a sudden, you have like so for
let me give you a for instance, Lebron has the
highest basketball like you I've ever seen, plus kind of
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the perfect body for basketball. If you it's like, hey,
I want to play twenty years in the NBA. It's like, Okay,
you're gonna have to be big enough to withstand injuries,
you know what I mean, tall enough. It's like, okay,
so when check check on like a brain thing and
a body thing that leads you to this, right, Mahomes
has the physical gifts of like the crazy arm angle
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stuff and the alarm strength from playing baseball. So that's
like the physical stuff check the memory thing that now
we've had Sean Payton talk about his dad talk about
it feels like we have contemporary evidence from seeing how
he plays. Yea, like, oh, there might have been like
two genetic lottery things where it's like the in the
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same way that Michael Phelps like has the webbed fingers
and toes. It's like, oh, so it's like, it's not
just that you work so hard in all these things,
you also happen to be kind of blest specifically for
this type of greatness. Yes, and so because there is
an element with Patrick and I think you want to
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talk Rogers talk Rodgers too, but with Patrick of he
can he can, with the exception of like a three
week stretch during last season, he can instantly figure out
what the defense is doing and within a half adjust
if need be in a way that I've seen very
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few quarterbacks ever consistently be able to do, and the
only one that I've seen be able to do it
at this level is Manning. And Manning's problem, I think
problems listening. He's one of three best quarterbacks ever. But
for Peyton, what I think heard him a bit was
he had that ability and almost couldn't turn it off
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to where if guys weren't where they were supposed to be,
or guys through He didn't have the improvisational ability that
Patrick has, which are as good as anyone I've ever seen, Yeah,
as good as anyone I've ever seen. What do you
think's going to happen with Aaron? I think Green Bay
ideally wants to send him to the Raiders because with
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Peyton and Russ Herbert and Kellen Moore and Andy and
Maha Holmes, he'll finish in the fourth place. And so
if Jordan Love is bumpy initially, which Aaron was in
his first year, that you know, Minnesota's not going eleven
and no one one score games, Chicago still awful, and
Detroit still Detroit, although they're better that I don't think
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they know quite yet what Jordan is. But if they
can get another first round pick, address their tight end
situation edge rusher, and get supplemental picks, right that if
the Jordan loves situations a little bumpy, Aaron's not crushing
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light in the world. Yeah, yeah, so, and I think
I think they want to move off. And and I
think this is why the Raiders right now are holding
on a Derek Car that the Raiders may be saying
the Raiders don't want to give up as much. I
think Green Bay has leaked already publicly. All this stuff
gets out Nick because somebody wants it out already leaked
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afc all, there's Aaron even said it. Well, they're talking
about me. So Green Bay wants it out to the league,
not Aaron. We are ready to move off him. Their
takeaway is we don't know exactly know what Jordan Love is,
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but what we don't want is far of to the Vikings,
good at least for a year. Correct and listen, I
the Jets obviously one them. They hired Hackett. Here's my
but I think Jets Raiders are obviously the leading contenders.
Here's my question. Let's say Rogers does go to the
AFC honest question here and then I'll give I'll give
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you the possibilities. Does that make Dak Prescott the second
best quarterback in the NFC? Like it's Jaalen one and
Jaalen by the way, I still think has some real
question marks, So I give him credit for what he's
Stafford staff The problem for Stafford, though, is he's got
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an elbow and a spine injury, and he's an older
like I mean, and even the year he won the
Super Bowl, he led the league in picks and pick
sixes like and even if he is good, I think
that team's not going to be good. Like I was
thinking about it, I was like, I mean, Kyler is
a torn acl is a pain in the ass, and
nobody seems like Justin Fields is a great runner. We've
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seen nothing like I was because I was just going
down the list of NFC quarterbacks because Jerry came out.
I was like, we want Dak for the next ten years.
And I'm like, man, in the AFC, if Dak were
your quarterback, you'd say we have to upgrade. In the
NFCU say he might be the best quarterback left in
the conference. In a few months, it's crazy. It's crazy
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the level of discrepancy between quarterback talent and the two conferences.
I mean, Trevor Lawrence, I think would be clearly the
best quarterback in the NFC, and I don't know if
he is top five in the AFC right now. Well,
Mahomes would be, Alan would be Burrow, Herbert Lawrence, Lamar,
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maybe de Sean to see if he ever gets it
back where it's seven. I mean the I mean there's
tann It's crazy Tannehill goes to Carolina tomorrow. He's no
worse than third in What's insane? Yeah, I mean, I
don't know if two is gonna play again. I don't
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think he's that great he would be in the discussion
over there, I mean it is, it is bananas, Like
it's such a discrepancy. I feel like the NFL like
has to behind the scenes be like talking about like
what do we do here? Because we can't we we
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need to find a way to get sitting now. I
think they're probably thrilled Chicago got the number one pick,
but the problem in Chicago's not gonna take a quarterback,
Like are they calling the Bears like you have to
trade that pick? To an NFC team, Well, you can't
have it. It's crazy networks in the last several years,
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remember when, um, because the AFC has always had the
smaller markets except Boston, the NFC's always had the bigger
markets M Saint Louis became Los Angeles, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Chicago, Dallas, Atlanta,
whereas the AFC has got a lot of Cincinnatis, h Nashville.
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All right, And so for several years ago Fox started
losing occasional games to CBS, and then in the league
said we're going to even it out. Now they're still
doing that, but Fox will probably get an increased note
I would think so, Yeah, because because you need it's
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a quarterback league and they didn't mean for it to
happen this way, right, But like I know this much,
they need Caleb Williams to the NFC. Yeah, they need that.
Listen for years and years, I you know how I
love theories and figuring stuff out, the jigsaw puzzle of sports.
For twenty years, I couldn't have figured it out. Why
the f is the Western Conference always better than the
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Eastern Conference? And I could not. I mean I had
weather theories, the West has better weather players don't like
these Eastern turbulent flights cold weather off of plane because
Miami gets good players. So I thought, well, maybe it's
a weather thing. And then Mark Cuban. Mark Cuban said
something to me one time, and he said, the West
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has way better general managers outside of Miami. That's why
Miami engineers better trades. They've got a great general manager.
And by the way, and then Boston got good with
Danny Ainge, who now moves West, and that sometimes it's
just so. The truth is the AFC has had better
gms make better picks on quarterbacks. By the way, Howie Roseman,
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great GM, found Jalen Hurts in the second round, less
Steed went An engineered a deal to get Matt Stafford.
The AFC is hit on more of the quarterback picks,
better GMing and the and I also think that there
was you had Brady obviously went to the NFC. Rogers
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was there, Breeze was there, and it was it was
kind of being propped up by these old the last
three years, by these much older quarterbacks, two of which
have now retired and one might be leaving the conference.
And it puts him in a really rough spot a
really rough spot, like you know who they really would
(40:54):
like to be as star as Trey Lance, you know
what I mean, like God, because they spent that draft
pick on him, Like, hey, listen to spot man. If
Mac Jones is a nine or quarterback, they beat Philadelphia potentially,
Oh yeah, absolutely, because he's just a distribuer that the
knock on tree as he's not accurate. That's why Shanahan,
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like Kirk Cousins, like Matt Ryan, preferred Matt Jones. It
was almost your worst nightmare because you know, if he
wasn't a ram, he might have ended up being a
nine er Baker Mayfield. Did you imagine if that was
Baker Mayfield coming to the rescue in that game, is
that is Josh Johnson cutting up the Philadelphia Eagles going
to the Super Bowl? We would have been legend, Derek,
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I'm gonna throw something at you. Yep. When Quentin Tarantino
came on the scene, it's all anybody talked about for
two years. Spielberg has done far more, far longer, but
it wasn't new and shiny and fun. That We're not
dissing Lebron or Brady or Spielberg, but we like the
(41:59):
new stuff we like, the new restaurant, the new nightclub,
the new job Morant, Zion Williamson, Josh Allen, who you've
accurately said, we like him more than his game produces,
and that I think Lebron was great, early, great, middle, great, late.
He's never had the story arcs going to baseball like
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MJ the fight with his GM, the no couldn't win
without Pippin, then had Pippin, and then he left for baseball,
and then he came back and then he lost to Orlando.
Michael's career had so many different chapters. Lebron, Spielberg, Brady, great, early, great, middle, great, late.
What's there to say? Well, yeah, I think there's that.
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I also think that when the so I don't know
if you saw this, but you're by when people here
or see this, it'll it'll be I think on February
third is when this will come out. Your former employer
is doing across all shows tomorrow because tomorrow is two
three slash twenty three Michael Jordan tributes and if I
(43:11):
understand the timing on the calendar, but you also can't
convince me that's not some editorial decisions by folks who
are heavily invested in Michael Jordan remaining the gold standard
for everything that we are going to be potentially a
day away from Lebron breaking Kareem's record, and we're gonna
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have wal to wal Michael Jordan coverage. I mean, give
me a goddamn break. And so there is I think
there has been so much of our sports logic forever
has been I shouldn't say forever for the last thirty years,
has not been based on what is objectively the best,
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but has been based on what is objectively the most
similar to Michael Jordan's arc that we have. We've perverted
so many arguments like Tim Duncan was a more successful,
more impactful, more winning, more everything than Kobe Bryant. But
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when you say Tim Duncan was better than Kobe, it
breaks some people's brains because they're not judging who's better,
They're judging who remind you more of Michael Jordans. I'm
old enough to remember, as are you, that when Tom
Brady before he got to seven rings, after the Seattle
Super Bowl, when he had four rings and then two
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Super Bowl losses, there were people that argued Joe Montana's
four rings were better than Brady's four rings because Montana
never lost a Super Bowl, which is objectively idiotic because
it just means he didn't get there. But the reason
that was the case was because we had already decided
(45:03):
that Jordan's six and ozho was better than Kareem's six
and four, which never made any sense objectively speaking, that
same logic would dictate by the way that Patrick Mahomes actually,
if he loses in the week, yeah, that logic dictates,
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you know, it was bad for him to have this
legendary performance on one leg and beat the Bengals. Would
have been better to just lose that game, because losses
pre championship round don't hurt you, but losses in the
championship round due so much of it is about protecting
the narrative. And I think the Lebron if we wanted
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to tell the Lebron story the same way people want
to tell the Michael Jordan's story, the story of overcoming
incompetent coaching at various steps, were coming incompetent teammates, of
having no true like basketball training, he's come straight out
of high school. Suppose having Dean Smith instead of coming
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from a great two parent household, he had one parent
incredibly poor, and that one parent dealt with their own issues.
All of that could be part of the legend, but
since the guy's been twenty seven, a huge part of
the story surrounding him has been discrediting what he's accomplished
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because people want to protect Jordan. I truly believe that,
and I think we're still seeing it. Can I throw
this in? This is engineered by Michael, who remains a
grudgeholder and incredibly petty. And the reason he okayed use
of certain footage to ESPN because after Lebron beat the
Warriors there were real discussions that Lebron's better than MJ
(46:57):
and m the next day, then okated the day after
the parade. Yep, and now as Lebron gets ready to
set the record. This is not coincidental. Michael is petty,
He's a grudge holder. He still holds a grudge to
Isaiah Thomas, who the f cares anymore about it, but
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Charles Barkley, who used to be his best friend. It's
the and it is just I don't think because and
but the other part of it, forget the Michael part
of it. The other part of it is on the
media writ large for just deciding what we are and
are not going to treat with importance. I made this
(47:42):
point on the TV show, but I didn't make it
to you. I think you'll agree with me. There was
far more day by day, breathless coverage of Steph Curry
breaking the three point record last year then there has
been about Lebron breaking the all time points record. Last
night or Wednesday night, Lebron passed four and five in
(48:08):
the all time assists rankings. Nobody cares. So he's going
to be top four and assist the day he becomes
number one in points, and it feels like it has
been a sub story. Go ahead, no, you know, Nick,
One of the things I've noticed by the media. I
never blame fans It's short for fanatic for having favorites.
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That's why they're great. But one of the things I've noticed,
I remember Jerry Seinfeld was asked, it was like two
years ago, and he was asked about the media and
the COVID coverage and people and their opinions, and you know,
I remember reading somewhere Jerry Seinfeld said, well, maybe the
media should do a better job. And I do believe
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the media can be condescending. They have agendas. I see
it in the coverage about our careers where it's so
I only can judge based on information I have and
stuff that's written about our careers radio, TV. What's it
like for politicians? What's it like for star athletes? So
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I don't think what's funny is Jordan basically refused to
talk to Sports Illustrated because of a cover. Jordan won't
talk to Isaiah Thomas or Charles Barkley. He's petty. Lebron
James may call out certain people, but Lebron has been
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the most available NBA star outside of maybe Magic of
My Life. He is every night local, broadcast, regional, every night.
And he doesn't do the big sit down interviews anymore
except for, you know, maybe once a year, unless it's
with his own company. You know, he has his own
(49:55):
production company, so he does with him, which makes sense.
But I'm talking all the time, and it's just it
is incredibly frustrating to me. And the other thing that
is also frustrating to me is that none of us,
myself included, none of us thought it was possible for
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him to be in year twenty playing like this year
nineteen and twenty he's averaging thirty points thirty six minutes
per game, better than fifty percent shooting. None of us
thought it was possible, and yet almost nobody has stopped
to appreciate it. We didn't think it was possible, and
then we instantly started taking it for granted. And they're like, oh,
(50:42):
they're not winning enough, which is true except for the
fact that this is an unbelievable stat. When Lebron's on
the court, Colin, the Lakers have a better net rating
than Milwaukee. When he's off the court, they have a
worse net rating than the Hornets. So with the teammates
around him, when he plays, they are a one contenders.
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When he goes to the bench, they're a bottom three team.
And I mean, that's an indictment on the general managing
and on the roster construction, but it's not an indictment
on Lebron. The other night, I was I went to
dinner with my daughter and I was at the bar
(51:29):
at Craig's in West Hollywood. Oh, that's where you and
I went. Yeah, I think, isn't that where you and
I went? Yeah? I think so, yeah, yeah. And so
the net Celtics first quarter was on and it was
it was about ten feet away from me, and the
sound was down, and I was watching it and it
was like, you know, forty six nineteen or something, and
(51:51):
you know, I didn't hear what was happening. But it
is really interesting that. And I made this point today
on FS one. Stafford left of the Rams because they
had a better coach and a better roster. It was
about winning. Peyton went to the Broncos. Go back and
look at that roster. It was about winning. Tom left
New England because he saw the league pivoting the offense.
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They literally in New England could not draft or develop
a singular wide receiver as last year in Foxborough. The
cameras caught him one game screaming at receivers somebody get open, separate.
So Tom actually went to dysfunctional Tampa to win more.
He had control of the offense and offensive coach and weapons.
Russell Wilson went to Denver for the right reasons. It
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just didn't work out. They had they had better players.
But let me criticize the NBA for this. Kevin Durant
left winning to go play with a friend. Lebron left
four straight finals for business. Kyrie left winning to be
the man, and Mello left winning in Denver, which he
did a lot of for a city. And at one
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of the reasons I think fans really like the NFL
is because the players feel like all they care about
is winning, not being the man, not playing with friends.
If Mahomes left the Chief to the Jets to play
with a friend, he would be laughed out of the league.
It would be insane because your chances of winning is that.
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When players talk about, you know, KD you're a casual
I'm like, dude, sometimes you guys treat winning casually. Well,
Can I push back on that please? Okay? So Durant, though,
also left Oklahoma City purely for winning and got crossed
(53:38):
for it. Got you didn't, I'll give you credit, you didn't,
but in the bigger picture got crossed for it. Lebron
left Cleveland to go to Miami. Yes with friends, yes weather,
yes all that, but also to win. Went back to
Cleveland and one and yes, going to Los Angeles. There
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were a lot of side benefits to it, but he
believed he could win there and he did. So you
know what I mean. It's not like Lebron's gone anywhere
and not I think the distinction I would draw as this,
I think the true NBA superstars either you know, sometimes
correctly and sometimes incorrectly, believe where I go, we will win.
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So I might as well go to a city I
want to be in. I might as well play with
my friend because I am going to be the reason
that winning that you know that winning happens, so I
should be able to do it, and you know wherever
I want to do it. I also think I think
that there's I think the NBA has a few significant
(54:46):
kind of structural issues that I don't have the immediate
fixed too, but one of them if you do want
kind of a more spr at out stars, and you
do want the stars to have less leverage. Actually, I
do think that one of the problems they have is
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the capped individual max contracts puts a lot like teams
can't offer more, they're actually not being I talked to
a GM once and I was like, why do you
think these teams, you know, kind of cowtow to the
certain players sometimes and he goes, well, he goes, you know,
for the true superstars, they're all underpaid and so you
(55:33):
have to pay them in extra stuff, either influence or
how you treat them or all these things. He goes,
if you know, if a guy's worth seventy million, if
you're paying him seventy million. Oddly enough, his argument was,
you actually have more control because it's like, hey, we
paid you your actual market value, we expect to get X,
Y and z. But when a guy's worth seventy million
(55:54):
and you're capped out at paying him thirty five, and
then he's like, I don't want to play him back
to backs and I want my buddies to be able
to write on the team flight these things, It's like, well,
damn it. We can only offer you what everyone can
offer you, So whoever says yes to it is then
going to get you know what I mean, It's gonna
sometimes get the free agency decision. So I actually think
sorry about that. I actually think oddly that individual player
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cab has caused a lot of these issues because everyone's
offering the same amount and no, and it also makes
it to where you can't just say, hold on, I
want I want to offer Jannis eighty million dollars and
see if he can turn it down. And if you
do that, then there wouldn't be super team. So I
(56:39):
think that's one of the issues, but I don't think
that's changing at any point. All Right, buddy, that's forty
five minutes. That's more than we could have ever asked for.
Nick Wright co host. First things first, Also, he has
his podcast What's Right with Nick Wright. You, Bruce Are
and Kevin Wilds are so infinitely likable in the chemistry.
(57:04):
So Jason McIntyre, who's now my show, I feel very lucky.
I've had Joy and McIntyre back to back. Both make
me laugh. And McIntyre we had a really we had
more highest rated month in January Colation. Yeah, thanks, and
which is kind of cool because FS one and every
(57:25):
other cable networks lost thirty percent of their subs over
the last six years, so it doesn't make any sense.
And you know, Jason asked me about two weeks ago.
He so it's like, what do you think we're doing
really well? Why? And I said, because we like each
other and because people just want to hang out. They're
not sitting there with a notepad. Oh oh, he made
a mistake. Oh, people want to feel like your people
(57:48):
they'd hang out with. And when I watch your Guys show,
it looks like if you gave each of you a
cocktail and a bar stool. It's literally shit talking among
friends and it's horrific. Well, that's very very kind of you.
We obviously are very fortunate to have you. As you know,
we couldn't ask for a better leading I am, we've been.
(58:09):
It's a hell of a leading and so that's been wonderful.
And by the way, I'm not listening. I don't have
access to the data, but in your highest rated month,
I would imagine your highest rated segments were Tuesdays around
one pm Eastern when I come on with you. That
make its just power pack fifteen minutes. But the show
has been a ton of fun and we the podcast
I do with my son, Yes, as of a couple
(58:31):
days ago, hit a hundred thousand subscribers on YouTube. We've
been doing it less than a year, so that's pretty
dope as well, and I so I appreciate that. And
I can't wait when I fly in on Wednesday to Arizona.
So as soon as I land, I'm gonna come see you,
because you got a little shin dig going, So I'm
gonna try to make it before it closes up shop. Yep.
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I thought I'd rant for about ten minutes on something
that I normally wouldn't waste time on for radio or
FS one, But you know, this is why I have
(01:13):
this podcast company. So I saw this story today and
it's a story that's been simmering and been discussed a
lot in the last two weeks on the interweb. And
it doesn't really mean anything because Tony Romo makes seventeen
million dollars a year guaranteed. But Andrew Marshan on his podcast,
a New York Post radio TV critic media critic had
(01:34):
said that CBS was getting concerned about Tony Romo's sort
of unconventional style, undisciplined style, and there's been slippage with
Tony Romo. My takeaway was for no other reason than
because I don't talk a lot of media. But I've
been doing this for thirty years, and I thought this
is an interesting thing. I think for the audience, it's
(01:56):
kind of instructive. So when you get out of the
NFL or NBA or any sport, but let's talk NFL
and Tony Romo, who I think does a fine job.
I've never already bought into the hype. I thought predicting
plays was kind of silly and overrated. It doesn't mean anything.
The media freaked out. I don't care. That's not why
I watch you to predict plays. I look for insight
(02:18):
that I wouldn't get interviews, I wouldn't get information I
wouldn't get elsewhere. And that's why I think Greg Olsen,
by the way, is crushing at Fox. So when you
first get out of the league, your first year or two,
you're generally the most familiar with the league, but the NFL.
(02:39):
Two things are happening. Number One, there's younger general managers
in the NFL, and they are trading players without a concern.
And if you look at the average NFL career, which
is about four years, the league turns over about every
three to four years. So a guy like Romo can
(03:00):
come out of football have a real understanding of the personnel,
the rosters, the coordinators, and then all of a sudden,
some of those coordinators leave, go to different places, go
to college football. The rosters turnover three or four years later,
and you really have to do your homework. And the
(03:22):
knock on Romo, and I'll get to this more in
a second, is that he doesn't really put the time in.
So networks get really, really frustrated when they pay you
a fortune, they put you on their number one event,
and you're not prepared. So Romo makes seventeen million a year,
(03:42):
that's been reported. And if you consider that Jim Nance
talks for more than half of the broadcast, sideline reports, commercials,
the game itself, Romo's probably talking for twenty five minutes
once a week. They want you to be really, really
dialed in for that twenty five minutes. I'm on the
(04:03):
air fifteen hours a week ad libbing with no game,
just talking. You're gonna make mistakes. Charles Barkley, By the way,
it doesn't follow half the league. When the Lakers made
a acquisition or a trade recently for a wing from
the Wizards, Shack had never heard of him. He covers
(04:23):
the NBA. So Shack Barkley Television's entertainment Harry Kerry was
a legend. He was drunk on the air at various times.
But football is different. You get twenty million viewers. It
really is the most important broadcast singular three and a
half hours weekly for networks. And if they're paying you
(04:46):
seventeen million dollars and you're talking about twenty minutes a week,
they want you to be dialed in. I always had
this theory that and I use this for years when
I would interview people and I was going to hire them,
if I had lunch or coffee with him, I always
asked him if they loved golf, Oh, I love golf.
Do you love golf? And if they said yes, I
(05:08):
wouldn't hire him because I always had this theory that
as guy's age. Many of them get addicted to golf.
They're on pgatour dot com. They're putting in the backyard,
they're thinking about it at work, they're scheduling a trip
to Scotland, and they lose sight of their other job.
Romo wants to be on the tour. He literally wants
to be on the tour. I mean, what's the first
(05:29):
thing Aaron Rodgers does in the offseason. He goes in golfs.
He loves it both by the way, great golfers, especially Romo.
But I've always felt like Tony Romo is one of
those guys, and we all have somebody on our social
circle like this. They got the golf bug. He's had
it for fifteen years. Tony wants to be on the
PGA Tour, but he likes to paycheck at CBS. And
I don't think he does a bad job. I think
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he's fine. I think initially Romo was overvalued with predicting plays.
That's not why you know. I mean, if he did
it once in a while, it'd be great, But that's
not why I'm watching you. But when you're only talking
about twenty minutes a week on the biggest broadcast, for
a network where they pay billions of dollars annually. They
want you to be dialed in. And I'm never going
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to criticize somebody because they slip a word up or
you know, mispronounce a name. Live TV is really easy
for people who've never done it. Romo and Jim nance
have producers in their ears and directors in their ears,
and they've got action and they've got ads to read.
It's not easy. But when I listen to Greg Olsen,
he sounds like he's been studying for that three hours
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for six days. Romo sounds like sometimes and he's entertaining.
He's winging it. And again, I think Barkley and Shack
wing it. But the NFL is different, and people love
Barkley and Shack, but it's the NBA. There's eighty two games.
It just doesn't matter. They're on the air for hours
every week. Nobody's losing any sleep if they don't know something.
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I mean again, they make fun of Barkley not knowing
players in the NBA. But those NFL windows man, those
analyst jobs, those networks don't want to pay those guys
seventeen million dollars a year, so they sit there with
a microscope and you make a mistake or they think
you're not putting in the work, they're gonna leak stuff.
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This stuff gets out by the way. Marshand said, CBS
attempted an intervention that only gets out because CBS wants
it out. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Romo's
agent calls CBS and asks for CBS to release a
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statement denying the report. Wouldn't shock me. Before I get
to Nick Wright, because we'll debate this story. Nick has
a belief that when Lebron James breaks Kareem Abdul Jabbar's
all time NBA scoring record, that we really aren't giving it.
It's just due that we're not giving it the momentous
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appreciation that it deserves. And I think it's not because
we don't respect Lebron James. I've felt this with Brady
and Lebron the last several years. I believe they've been
so great for so long, there is fatigue. And part
of Michael Jordan's popularity is that he left the sport
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and returned, so his career had multiple stories. College Michael
early can't beat the Piston Celtics. Michael gets Pippin becomes
the King, Baseball returns, loses to Orlando, eventually wins three more,
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then breaks up SIA Wizards. The book had multiple chapters.
Lebron didn't have a college career. Lebron was great very quickly.
Lebron changed a couple of teams. But he's been the
best player, arguably for fifteen years in the league. There
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isn't this arc, these disappearances, Baseball return different story arc
in Chicago, battling constantly with his GM. Basically, Lebron has
been great for fifteen years. He's changed teams, but finals, finals, finals, finals, finals, finals.
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Once he started getting to him, he went back to
him for almost a decade straight. And so there hasn't
been a lot of swings to Lebron's career. Great early, great,
middle with titles, still great, with one title with a
dysfunctional Lakers, and so and I felt this with Brady.
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Brady was great early, there was a gap when he
didn't win championships. He was still great, and then it
was great late in New England, and it was really
great in Tampa, and then he retires. Where are the swings?
The story arcs Brett Farve was problem early then he
was great, pushed out by Aaron, goes to the Jets,
goes to the Vikings. You know, there's a lot of arcs,
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there's a lot of different storylines. I think Lebron and
Brady were so great early and so great often the
new cycle. We're always looking for the new thing, the
exciting thing, the controversial thing. It's not intentional. It's the
reality of John Morant, Zion Williamson, Josh Allen. It's new.
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Everybody likes new, the new restaurant in town, the new club.
And I think when you're great early, great in the middle,
great at the end. I mean Tom Brady set two
NFL records at forty five years old. Pass attempts and
past completions, is that, you know. It's like when Martin
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Scorre says he has a new movie. He was great early,
he was great with Good Fellas, he was great with
the Irishman. Everything's great. It's like Spielberg, when wasn't he great?
Everything he puts out is phenomenal. So we don't talk
about him as much. Doesn't mean they don't think Spielberg
is one of the most remarkable creative geniuses in the
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history of Hollywood. But when Quentin Tarantino came out, it
was like he got ten times to press. He was new,
he was unique, pulp fiction. Who is this guy? So
not that anybody's a victim, Brady Lebron Spielberg of their success,
but the media gets bored and I'm guilty of it too.
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dot in West Virginia. When I started in this business,
opinion was rare um. When I first started in this business.
There was no national sports talk radio. Rome was the
first to make it, and then now it's exploded. Opinion
now dominates cable TV. Opinion is where the money is. Eight.
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I was a local sportscaster, and I had a fine
career as a local sportscaster. But when opinion became more influential,
driving revenue in ratings, my career exploded. I didn't get
more talented, I got more opportunities. So Andy Reid enter
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this league. When you could grab his receivers, his receivers
could be crushed over the middle of the fielding you
could drive his quarterbacks into the turf. They were always hurt.
And then it changed. Then the league, due to safety
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CTE safety regulations, has now given all the rules not
to Belichick's side, to Andy's side, and to Andy. Andy
was always always as good or better than Belichick, but
his industry was built against him. And now finally there's
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even footing or advantage Andy and he is separating from Belichick. Well, listen,
I do think that we're all belichick credit is. I
do think he has a better grasp on the coaching
minuchet that drives me nuts, the clock management, the challenge
stuff in a way that Andy still struggles with at times.
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But holistically, I think it's one hundred percent correct. And
I had on Thursday, I had Mahomes on the TV show,
and I kept every time I talked about the Chiefs
being disrespected, the chief, super Bowl window, any of these things.
Now and listen, he's a brand and he knows, you know,
how to handle himself. His love for Andy Reid popped
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off the screen. He said. When I asked him, did
it seem like the national media was ready to turn
the page from the Chiefs and love the Bills or
the Bengals or the Chargers prematurely? What he said was,
I think as long as we have Andy Reid, we
should be the favorites like that, And so he that
relationship there. Andy's, by the way, not a young man anymore.
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And no one, our mutual friend Danny Parkins made this point.
I think it was smart. He said, no one is
discussing is Andy Reid retiring if they win this Super Bowl.
He's obviously dealt with personal tragedy. He you know, he's
done it. He's a Hall of Famer all these things.
And what Danny's point was is and it's because everyone's like,
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why would he retire? He is Patrick Mahomes. They're gonna
continue to dominate. He can climb. He's three wins away
Colin from being fourth all time in regular season wins.
He's already now second all time in playoff wins. He's
going to have a claim as the second greatest coach
of this era of football. I think he already has
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that claim. And I think your point is, what if
the Chiefs win three of the next five and then
he walks out the door, can you make the case
he's the best? Like, it's gonna be interesting. It's at
least going to be on the board if he ends
at four and Belichick has six, but especially if the
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Patriots never pop back up, because I know what people
people can say, well, Andy had Mahomes. Yes, but Andy
made five conference championship games in Philadelphia without a Hall
of Fame quarterback, with a good quarterback, without an accurate quarterback. Yeah,
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I mean McNabb was not a bad quarterback, but he
was not a Hall of Fame level player, and he
made five NFC championship games. There might have been six.
I think it's five. But it is interesting is that
sometimes cultures change and opportunities present themselves, and people don't
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suddenly just get talented at fifty. Let's be honest, you
flourish in the opinion space. Could you probably would be
as effective as a local sports anchor, all right. I
got caught from the Syracuse college radio station trying to
do play by play because I couldn't the at W
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A r that before you can even try to do
play by play, you have to do a ninety second
sports update, like you know what they used to do
on local radio station. Yeah, yeah, Colin. I came in
twice a week, ninety minutes each time, for three semesters,
a year and a half, trying to get cleared to
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do ninety second sports updates at a college radio station.
And then, God love him, the guy who's now the
voice of the Las Vegas Raiders, Jason Horowitz, had to
call me. It was like, buddy, you're a second semester, sophomore,
and you're not even to the first step. We gotta
you gotta go, You're not. I got cut from my
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college radio station because oh I was. I mean, it's
the whole reason I went there, So the whole reason
I went there, But I was fortunate in that I
was already working on the talk show staff, and I
then just grab and I was kind of realizing, like man,
I thought I wanted to do growing up, I thought
I wanted to do play by play, but what I
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wanted to do was color commentary. I would watch the
NBA on NBC with with Costas and Walton and Steve
Snapper Jones, and what I wanted to do was the color.
But I didn't realize you can't do that unless you're
a former player or former coach. They're not hired me
a color commentary. But then you know, they did hire
Dennis Miller briefly like they hired Kornheiser. So I was like,
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oh maybe at some point um so no, I was.
I was crushed, but it I then it made me
fully pivot to talk show. And you know, little Humble
Bragg here now at War the talk show studios named
after me and my pictures on the wall. I'm a
Hall of Famer there, that's true story. Marv Albert, Bob Paste,
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Nick Wright are the three studios there. That's true and
so but the point is, I'm not a great broadcast.
I'm I have a like a traditional broadcaster. You know
what I mean. I can't read off a teleprompter. I'm
not good at like I have a nasal. But there
is a specific thing I can do, which is confidently argue,
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no matter whether it's you know, one on one with
my wife or in front of a million people. Well, also,
you're entertaining. In my preamble, I talked about this. Charles
Barkley doesn't watch the league he broadcasts. He literally doesn't
know ninety percent of the players. He's entertaining. Nobody wildly
entertaining the audience. They don't care. Nobody cares the entertainment
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business that we're in. And you get extra credit for
being right and smart and all these things. But what
a lot of I think broadcasters don't understand is this
the perfect storm is entertaining, smart, funny, correct analysis. Right.
That's like you, if you could check every box, that
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would be it. You can get away with You can
even thrive if you're with your picks, always being wrong,
with your analysis, always being off. As long as you're
entertaining and captivating. If you you could be right on
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every prediction, know the name of every player. And there's
a few broadcasters you and I both know. We don't
have name names that are like this, that are buttoned
up on everything and they're boring. But if you're if
you're boring and don't captivate the audience, you're drawn dead.
You're just flatly drawn dead. Years ago, there was a
guy named Pete Jenncini at ESPN. Yeah yeah, yeah, really
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nice guy, and um, when I got to ESPN, they
didn't they weren't doing radio very well, and they brought
in a guy named Bruce Gilbert to kind of fix
Mike and Mike there was a big vote whether to
keep him or not when I first got there, and
it was like nine people voted five to four keep them. Wow.
So Bruce Gilbert came in to fix them and hire
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somebody to replace Kornheiser when that was that was the guy.
And Pete's a really good guy and real smart guy.
But we had a discussion one time and he said
the number one the number one thing at ESPN is
to be informative. And I said, Pete, it's number two.
I said, I've watched you either demote or get rid
of really informative people. This company has never gotten rid
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of somebody. That's funny, on the air and enter entertaining. Ever,
ever they may leave you, you don't get rid of them.
I've watched you not promote people who are informative. I said,
we radio TV is the entertainment business. Remember when Barbara
Walters was a journalist and she was doing twenty twenty
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and she was doing sit down Kushey interviews with Johnny
Carson and Steven Spielberg. That was the entertainment division. It
was the highest rated thing she did. That's why Barbara
Walters made a fortune, not because of her journalism, because
she would do these sit down interviews that got massive ratings,
and they were that was part of the entertainment budget.
And so when I had this this discussion with Pete
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who again this is not a criticism, and I just said, Pete,
I'm watching what the company does you promote really entertaining people.
The messaging is be entertainment. Well listen, and for me
that was listen. That took me a long time to
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grasp on television because I'd figured out radio. I'd figured
out how to do like the radio show exactly the
way I needed to. And then when I got on TV,
I think the first year maybe I thought the job
was to always have all the answers, to have my
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you know what I mean, to have the facts exactly right,
to to never to never be wrong. You know what
I mean to always and what I'm you know, I've
now done the show five and a half years by
a country mile. The most successful version of the show
I've ever done is the one I'm doing right now
this moment with Wilds and Bruce Arry. It's the funniest.
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It's the funniest, and that's why now I still It's
not like I have forgotten that info. I still have
the info available to me, but I am not out there.
I used to approach the TV show with the perspective
of I have to I have to prove else smart
I am to the audience every single day, and now
I approach it as our entire goal is to put
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on a show that people smile while they're watching. You
know what I mean, That people smile all they're watching
and have a good time, and that has enough meet
to it to where it's not all empty calories. There's
got to be the information, there's got to be the analysis,
but there's also got to be a lot of bells
and whistles and funny stuff and you know what I mean,
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Guys messing with each other and that's what works. And
you know what I mean. That took me a while
to figure out because people, you know, when I first started,
they would say to me, the best version of you
is when you're on with Colin. They're like, can you
can you try to be more of that on First
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Things First? And I ain't part of it. I was like, well,
I get up for First Things first a three thirties,
so I don't know. Oh, I'm not certain. But the
other thing was is especially early in our relationship and
I still do it, but especially early in our relationship,
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I was really really trying to impress you, and I
wanted to make you laugh. Like every time I came on,
I was like, it's successful if I make Colin lamb.
And I didn't. I was too stupid to fucking realize
I should just be trying to make the audience laugh too,
and I have to get out there and like to
tell jokes, but the same, you know, and so, but
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that was the best version of me at the time
was because I wasn't trying. I felt like you knew
I was smart, so I wasn't trying to prove it
to yet, right, so you know what I mean. So
I could just kind of be the best version of myself,
and that's what works. That's what works in this business.
You go across the networks. I'll give credit to the
other network, even though this show happens to be up
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against mine at one point. A show that I did
really works on the other network is NFL Live because
those people like each other and they're fun together, and
they bust each other's chops and they have real info,
you know what I mean. Like that show whenever I
can't watch it was all the same time. But the clips,
I'm like, oh, they're fun, they're funny. That works. That
always will work. People that get along, that are smart,
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that know what they're talking about will always work. Well. Yeah,
and I don't watch that show, but I know the
people on it and they're likable and they're fun. And
this mug is from war the radio station that cut me.
That's so fun. They've sent it to me today. Hey listen,
you're fine, here's a mug. Yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right. Um.
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So people think from time to time, I don't like
certain people. I don't like Russell Westbrooks half court game.
He's probably a wonderful guy. It drives me crazy. I
don't like I don't like the neediness of Aaron Rodgers.
I think he's a smart guy and a wonderful quarterback. Um.
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But I do think about it that if I ran
into Aaron or Russell, they wouldn't like me. And I
totally get that. Andy Dalton once ran into me and
I called him the Babe water Pistol for a decade,
and he was really really sweet. But Rogers is a
fascinating person because he really does project a lot. He
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had another one this week when he said, apparently they're
doing discussions. You know, I'm not involved, which is interesting,
and I thought it's interesting, Aaron, You're so smart, but
you lack of basic self awareness that you are projecting constantly, passive, aggressively,
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and it's why you know I've said this about Aaron.
We give too much credit to talent. What really separates
Mahomes is his self awareness. He's so eff and good
at the podium. He is such a good teammate. He
almost never ever compliments himself. He goes the talent thing.
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I think that Mahomes is gifted, But I think when
I talked to Sean Payton, I went to dinner with him,
spent four hours with him. Sean Payton told me that
they flew in to Lubbock or wherever god forsaken town
he played college football in. Yeah, they wanted to draft him,
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but go ahead. After the workout, they brought in information
they thought would overwhelm him and would take three days.
Within two hours, he had digested it and was vomiting
it out to them. He said, it's the smartest player
I'd ever interviewed. We got on a plane, we told
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nobody we were there, and Sean said it was the
greatest quarterback I'd ever worked out or gone to a whiteboard,
and that where Mahomes is underrated. His ability to consume information,
see things and let go of the ball instinctively is
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the greatest I've ever seen. I think. I think Josh
Allen has a stronger arm. I think Lamar is faster.
I think Kyler Murray is almost more elusive. I think
above the shoulders, Mahomes is almost the performance artist. He's
he's prince, he is He's the world looks different. His
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dad was on I'll mention second second Danny Parkins shout out.
But his dad was on Danny's radio show a couple
days ago and said, the Bear the reason Mahomes counted
on his fingers when he scored a touch sound against
the Bears was because the Bears told him were drafting
you at three and then they trade it up for
Traubisky and Mahomes was crushed because he really wanted to
go to Chicago. But in that same interview, and I'd
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never heard anyone say this, he said that Patrick has
an idetic memory, which I just googled what that meant. Yes,
and that you can see something once and then always
be able to pull it back, which I'd never heard
someone say that about him. And maybe that's a dad,
you know, embellishing about his kid. I don't know. But
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if that's true or something close to it, And what
you know, you're saying, Sean Payton told you it does
now all of a sudden, you have like so for
let me give you a for instance, Lebron has the
highest basketball like you I've ever seen, plus kind of
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the perfect body for basketball. If you it's like, hey,
I want to play twenty years in the NBA. It's like, Okay,
you're gonna have to be big enough to withstand injuries,
you know what I mean, tall enough. It's like, okay,
so when check check on like a brain thing and
a body thing that leads you to this, right, Mahomes
has the physical gifts of like the crazy arm angle
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stuff and the alarm strength from playing baseball. So that's
like the physical stuff check the memory thing that now
we've had Sean Payton talk about his dad talk about
it feels like we have contemporary evidence from seeing how
he plays. Yea, like, oh, there might have been like
two genetic lottery things where it's like the in the
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same way that Michael Phelps like has the webbed fingers
and toes. It's like, oh, so it's like, it's not
just that you work so hard in all these things,
you also happen to be kind of blest specifically for
this type of greatness. Yes, and so because there is
an element with Patrick and I think you want to
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talk Rogers talk Rodgers too, but with Patrick of he
can he can, with the exception of like a three
week stretch during last season, he can instantly figure out
what the defense is doing and within a half adjust
if need be in a way that I've seen very
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few quarterbacks ever consistently be able to do, and the
only one that I've seen be able to do it
at this level is Manning. And Manning's problem, I think
problems listening. He's one of three best quarterbacks ever. But
for Peyton, what I think heard him a bit was
he had that ability and almost couldn't turn it off
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to where if guys weren't where they were supposed to be,
or guys through He didn't have the improvisational ability that
Patrick has, which are as good as anyone I've ever seen, Yeah,
as good as anyone I've ever seen. What do you
think's going to happen with Aaron? I think Green Bay
ideally wants to send him to the Raiders because with
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Peyton and Russ Herbert and Kellen Moore and Andy and
Maha Holmes, he'll finish in the fourth place. And so
if Jordan Love is bumpy initially, which Aaron was in
his first year, that you know, Minnesota's not going eleven
and no one one score games, Chicago still awful, and
Detroit still Detroit, although they're better that I don't think
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they know quite yet what Jordan is. But if they
can get another first round pick, address their tight end
situation edge rusher, and get supplemental picks, right that if
the Jordan loves situations a little bumpy, Aaron's not crushing
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light in the world. Yeah, yeah, so, and I think
I think they want to move off. And and I
think this is why the Raiders right now are holding
on a Derek Car that the Raiders may be saying
the Raiders don't want to give up as much. I
think Green Bay has leaked already publicly. All this stuff
gets out Nick because somebody wants it out already leaked
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afc all, there's Aaron even said it. Well, they're talking
about me. So Green Bay wants it out to the league,
not Aaron. We are ready to move off him. Their
takeaway is we don't know exactly know what Jordan Love is,
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but what we don't want is far of to the Vikings,
good at least for a year. Correct and listen, I
the Jets obviously one them. They hired Hackett. Here's my
but I think Jets Raiders are obviously the leading contenders.
Here's my question. Let's say Rogers does go to the
AFC honest question here and then I'll give I'll give
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you the possibilities. Does that make Dak Prescott the second
best quarterback in the NFC? Like it's Jaalen one and
Jaalen by the way, I still think has some real
question marks, So I give him credit for what he's
Stafford staff The problem for Stafford, though, is he's got
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an elbow and a spine injury, and he's an older
like I mean, and even the year he won the
Super Bowl, he led the league in picks and pick
sixes like and even if he is good, I think
that team's not going to be good. Like I was
thinking about it, I was like, I mean, Kyler is
a torn acl is a pain in the ass, and
nobody seems like Justin Fields is a great runner. We've
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seen nothing like I was because I was just going
down the list of NFC quarterbacks because Jerry came out.
I was like, we want Dak for the next ten years.
And I'm like, man, in the AFC, if Dak were
your quarterback, you'd say we have to upgrade. In the
NFCU say he might be the best quarterback left in
the conference. In a few months, it's crazy. It's crazy
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the level of discrepancy between quarterback talent and the two conferences.
I mean, Trevor Lawrence, I think would be clearly the
best quarterback in the NFC, and I don't know if
he is top five in the AFC right now. Well,
Mahomes would be, Alan would be Burrow, Herbert Lawrence, Lamar,
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maybe de Sean to see if he ever gets it
back where it's seven. I mean the I mean there's
tann It's crazy Tannehill goes to Carolina tomorrow. He's no
worse than third in What's insane? Yeah, I mean, I
don't know if two is gonna play again. I don't
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think he's that great he would be in the discussion
over there, I mean it is, it is bananas, Like
it's such a discrepancy. I feel like the NFL like
has to behind the scenes be like talking about like
what do we do here? Because we can't we we
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need to find a way to get sitting now. I
think they're probably thrilled Chicago got the number one pick,
but the problem in Chicago's not gonna take a quarterback,
Like are they calling the Bears like you have to
trade that pick? To an NFC team, Well, you can't
have it. It's crazy networks in the last several years,
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remember when, um, because the AFC has always had the
smaller markets except Boston, the NFC's always had the bigger
markets M Saint Louis became Los Angeles, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Chicago, Dallas, Atlanta,
whereas the AFC has got a lot of Cincinnatis, h Nashville.
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All right, And so for several years ago Fox started
losing occasional games to CBS, and then in the league
said we're going to even it out. Now they're still
doing that, but Fox will probably get an increased note
I would think so, Yeah, because because you need it's
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a quarterback league and they didn't mean for it to
happen this way, right, But like I know this much,
they need Caleb Williams to the NFC. Yeah, they need that.
Listen for years and years, I you know how I
love theories and figuring stuff out, the jigsaw puzzle of sports.
For twenty years, I couldn't have figured it out. Why
the f is the Western Conference always better than the
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Eastern Conference? And I could not. I mean I had
weather theories, the West has better weather players don't like
these Eastern turbulent flights cold weather off of plane because
Miami gets good players. So I thought, well, maybe it's
a weather thing. And then Mark Cuban. Mark Cuban said
something to me one time, and he said, the West
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has way better general managers outside of Miami. That's why
Miami engineers better trades. They've got a great general manager.
And by the way, and then Boston got good with
Danny Ainge, who now moves West, and that sometimes it's
just so. The truth is the AFC has had better
gms make better picks on quarterbacks. By the way, Howie Roseman,
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great GM, found Jalen Hurts in the second round, less
Steed went An engineered a deal to get Matt Stafford.
The AFC is hit on more of the quarterback picks,
better GMing and the and I also think that there
was you had Brady obviously went to the NFC. Rogers
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was there, Breeze was there, and it was it was
kind of being propped up by these old the last
three years, by these much older quarterbacks, two of which
have now retired and one might be leaving the conference.
And it puts him in a really rough spot a
really rough spot, like you know who they really would
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like to be as star as Trey Lance, you know
what I mean, like God, because they spent that draft
pick on him, Like, hey, listen to spot man. If
Mac Jones is a nine or quarterback, they beat Philadelphia potentially,
Oh yeah, absolutely, because he's just a distribuer that the
knock on tree as he's not accurate. That's why Shanahan,
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like Kirk Cousins, like Matt Ryan, preferred Matt Jones. It
was almost your worst nightmare because you know, if he
wasn't a ram, he might have ended up being a
nine er Baker Mayfield. Did you imagine if that was
Baker Mayfield coming to the rescue in that game, is
that is Josh Johnson cutting up the Philadelphia Eagles going
to the Super Bowl? We would have been legend, Derek,
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I'm gonna throw something at you. Yep. When Quentin Tarantino
came on the scene, it's all anybody talked about for
two years. Spielberg has done far more, far longer, but
it wasn't new and shiny and fun. That We're not
dissing Lebron or Brady or Spielberg, but we like the
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new stuff we like, the new restaurant, the new nightclub,
the new job Morant, Zion Williamson, Josh Allen, who you've
accurately said, we like him more than his game produces,
and that I think Lebron was great, early, great, middle, great, late.
He's never had the story arcs going to baseball like
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MJ the fight with his GM, the no couldn't win
without Pippin, then had Pippin, and then he left for baseball,
and then he came back and then he lost to Orlando.
Michael's career had so many different chapters. Lebron, Spielberg, Brady, great, early, great, middle, great, late.
What's there to say? Well, yeah, I think there's that.
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I also think that when the so I don't know
if you saw this, but you're by when people here
or see this, it'll it'll be I think on February
third is when this will come out. Your former employer
is doing across all shows tomorrow because tomorrow is two
three slash twenty three Michael Jordan tributes and if I
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understand the timing on the calendar, but you also can't
convince me that's not some editorial decisions by folks who
are heavily invested in Michael Jordan remaining the gold standard
for everything that we are going to be potentially a
day away from Lebron breaking Kareem's record, and we're gonna
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have wal to wal Michael Jordan coverage. I mean, give
me a goddamn break. And so there is I think
there has been so much of our sports logic forever
has been I shouldn't say forever for the last thirty years,
has not been based on what is objectively the best,
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but has been based on what is objectively the most
similar to Michael Jordan's arc that we have. We've perverted
so many arguments like Tim Duncan was a more successful,
more impactful, more winning, more everything than Kobe Bryant. But
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when you say Tim Duncan was better than Kobe, it
breaks some people's brains because they're not judging who's better,
They're judging who remind you more of Michael Jordans. I'm
old enough to remember, as are you, that when Tom
Brady before he got to seven rings, after the Seattle
Super Bowl, when he had four rings and then two
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Super Bowl losses, there were people that argued Joe Montana's
four rings were better than Brady's four rings because Montana
never lost a Super Bowl, which is objectively idiotic because
it just means he didn't get there. But the reason
that was the case was because we had already decided
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that Jordan's six and ozho was better than Kareem's six
and four, which never made any sense objectively speaking, that
same logic would dictate by the way that Patrick Mahomes actually,
if he loses in the week, yeah, that logic dictates,
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you know, it was bad for him to have this
legendary performance on one leg and beat the Bengals. Would
have been better to just lose that game, because losses
pre championship round don't hurt you, but losses in the
championship round due so much of it is about protecting
the narrative. And I think the Lebron if we wanted
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to tell the Lebron story the same way people want
to tell the Michael Jordan's story, the story of overcoming
incompetent coaching at various steps, were coming incompetent teammates, of
having no true like basketball training, he's come straight out
of high school. Suppose having Dean Smith instead of coming
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from a great two parent household, he had one parent
incredibly poor, and that one parent dealt with their own issues.
All of that could be part of the legend, but
since the guy's been twenty seven, a huge part of
the story surrounding him has been discrediting what he's accomplished
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because people want to protect Jordan. I truly believe that,
and I think we're still seeing it. Can I throw
this in? This is engineered by Michael, who remains a
grudgeholder and incredibly petty. And the reason he okayed use
of certain footage to ESPN because after Lebron beat the
Warriors there were real discussions that Lebron's better than MJ
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and m the next day, then okated the day after
the parade. Yep, and now as Lebron gets ready to
set the record. This is not coincidental. Michael is petty,
He's a grudge holder. He still holds a grudge to
Isaiah Thomas, who the f cares anymore about it, but
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Charles Barkley, who used to be his best friend. It's
the and it is just I don't think because and
but the other part of it, forget the Michael part
of it. The other part of it is on the
media writ large for just deciding what we are and
are not going to treat with importance. I made this
(47:42):
point on the TV show, but I didn't make it
to you. I think you'll agree with me. There was
far more day by day, breathless coverage of Steph Curry
breaking the three point record last year then there has
been about Lebron breaking the all time points record. Last
night or Wednesday night, Lebron passed four and five in
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the all time assists rankings. Nobody cares. So he's going
to be top four and assist the day he becomes
number one in points, and it feels like it has
been a sub story. Go ahead, no, you know, Nick,
One of the things I've noticed by the media. I
never blame fans It's short for fanatic for having favorites.
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That's why they're great. But one of the things I've noticed,
I remember Jerry Seinfeld was asked, it was like two
years ago, and he was asked about the media and
the COVID coverage and people and their opinions, and you know,
I remember reading somewhere Jerry Seinfeld said, well, maybe the
media should do a better job. And I do believe
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the media can be condescending. They have agendas. I see
it in the coverage about our careers where it's so
I only can judge based on information I have and
stuff that's written about our careers radio, TV. What's it
like for politicians? What's it like for star athletes? So
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I don't think what's funny is Jordan basically refused to
talk to Sports Illustrated because of a cover. Jordan won't
talk to Isaiah Thomas or Charles Barkley. He's petty. Lebron
James may call out certain people, but Lebron has been
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the most available NBA star outside of maybe Magic of
My Life. He is every night local, broadcast, regional, every night.
And he doesn't do the big sit down interviews anymore
except for, you know, maybe once a year, unless it's
with his own company. You know, he has his own
(49:55):
production company, so he does with him, which makes sense.
But I'm talking all the time, and it's just it
is incredibly frustrating to me. And the other thing that
is also frustrating to me is that none of us,
myself included, none of us thought it was possible for
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him to be in year twenty playing like this year
nineteen and twenty he's averaging thirty points thirty six minutes
per game, better than fifty percent shooting. None of us
thought it was possible, and yet almost nobody has stopped
to appreciate it. We didn't think it was possible, and
then we instantly started taking it for granted. And they're like, oh,
(50:42):
they're not winning enough, which is true except for the
fact that this is an unbelievable stat. When Lebron's on
the court, Colin, the Lakers have a better net rating
than Milwaukee. When he's off the court, they have a
worse net rating than the Hornets. So with the teammates
around him, when he plays, they are a one contenders.
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When he goes to the bench, they're a bottom three team.
And I mean, that's an indictment on the general managing
and on the roster construction, but it's not an indictment
on Lebron. The other night, I was I went to
dinner with my daughter and I was at the bar
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at Craig's in West Hollywood. Oh, that's where you and
I went. Yeah, I think, isn't that where you and
I went? Yeah? I think so, yeah, yeah. And so
the net Celtics first quarter was on and it was
it was about ten feet away from me, and the
sound was down, and I was watching it and it
was like, you know, forty six nineteen or something, and
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you know, I didn't hear what was happening. But it
is really interesting that. And I made this point today
on FS one. Stafford left of the Rams because they
had a better coach and a better roster. It was
about winning. Peyton went to the Broncos. Go back and
look at that roster. It was about winning. Tom left
New England because he saw the league pivoting the offense.
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They literally in New England could not draft or develop
a singular wide receiver as last year in Foxborough. The
cameras caught him one game screaming at receivers somebody get open, separate.
So Tom actually went to dysfunctional Tampa to win more.
He had control of the offense and offensive coach and weapons.
Russell Wilson went to Denver for the right reasons. It
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just didn't work out. They had they had better players.
But let me criticize the NBA for this. Kevin Durant
left winning to go play with a friend. Lebron left
four straight finals for business. Kyrie left winning to be
the man, and Mello left winning in Denver, which he
did a lot of for a city. And at one
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of the reasons I think fans really like the NFL
is because the players feel like all they care about
is winning, not being the man, not playing with friends.
If Mahomes left the Chief to the Jets to play
with a friend, he would be laughed out of the league.
It would be insane because your chances of winning is that.
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When players talk about, you know, KD you're a casual
I'm like, dude, sometimes you guys treat winning casually. Well,
Can I push back on that please? Okay? So Durant, though,
also left Oklahoma City purely for winning and got crossed
(53:38):
for it. Got you didn't, I'll give you credit, you didn't,
but in the bigger picture got crossed for it. Lebron
left Cleveland to go to Miami. Yes with friends, yes weather,
yes all that, but also to win. Went back to
Cleveland and one and yes, going to Los Angeles. There
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were a lot of side benefits to it, but he
believed he could win there and he did. So you
know what I mean. It's not like Lebron's gone anywhere
and not I think the distinction I would draw as this,
I think the true NBA superstars either you know, sometimes
correctly and sometimes incorrectly, believe where I go, we will win.
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So I might as well go to a city I
want to be in. I might as well play with
my friend because I am going to be the reason
that winning that you know that winning happens, so I
should be able to do it, and you know wherever
I want to do it. I also think I think
that there's I think the NBA has a few significant
(54:46):
kind of structural issues that I don't have the immediate
fixed too, but one of them if you do want
kind of a more spr at out stars, and you
do want the stars to have less leverage. Actually, I
do think that one of the problems they have is
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the capped individual max contracts puts a lot like teams
can't offer more, they're actually not being I talked to
a GM once and I was like, why do you
think these teams, you know, kind of cowtow to the
certain players sometimes and he goes, well, he goes, you know,
for the true superstars, they're all underpaid and so you
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have to pay them in extra stuff, either influence or
how you treat them or all these things. He goes,
if you know, if a guy's worth seventy million, if
you're paying him seventy million. Oddly enough, his argument was,
you actually have more control because it's like, hey, we
paid you your actual market value, we expect to get X,
Y and z. But when a guy's worth seventy million
(55:54):
and you're capped out at paying him thirty five, and
then he's like, I don't want to play him back
to backs and I want my buddies to be able
to write on the team flight these things, It's like, well,
damn it. We can only offer you what everyone can
offer you, So whoever says yes to it is then
going to get you know what I mean, It's gonna
sometimes get the free agency decision. So I actually think
sorry about that. I actually think oddly that individual player
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cab has caused a lot of these issues because everyone's
offering the same amount and no, and it also makes
it to where you can't just say, hold on, I
want I want to offer Jannis eighty million dollars and
see if he can turn it down. And if you
do that, then there wouldn't be super team. So I
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think that's one of the issues, but I don't think
that's changing at any point. All Right, buddy, that's forty
five minutes. That's more than we could have ever asked for.
Nick Wright co host. First things first, Also, he has
his podcast What's Right with Nick Wright. You, Bruce Are
and Kevin Wilds are so infinitely likable in the chemistry.
(57:04):
So Jason McIntyre, who's now my show, I feel very lucky.
I've had Joy and McIntyre back to back. Both make
me laugh. And McIntyre we had a really we had
more highest rated month in January Colation. Yeah, thanks, and
which is kind of cool because FS one and every
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other cable networks lost thirty percent of their subs over
the last six years, so it doesn't make any sense.
And you know, Jason asked me about two weeks ago.
He so it's like, what do you think we're doing
really well? Why? And I said, because we like each
other and because people just want to hang out. They're
not sitting there with a notepad. Oh oh, he made
a mistake. Oh, people want to feel like your people
(57:48):
they'd hang out with. And when I watch your Guys show,
it looks like if you gave each of you a
cocktail and a bar stool. It's literally shit talking among
friends and it's horrific. Well, that's very very kind of you.
We obviously are very fortunate to have you. As you know,
we couldn't ask for a better leading I am, we've been.
(58:09):
It's a hell of a leading and so that's been wonderful.
And by the way, I'm not listening. I don't have
access to the data, but in your highest rated month,
I would imagine your highest rated segments were Tuesdays around
one pm Eastern when I come on with you. That
make its just power pack fifteen minutes. But the show
has been a ton of fun and we the podcast
I do with my son, Yes, as of a couple
(58:31):
days ago, hit a hundred thousand subscribers on YouTube. We've
been doing it less than a year, so that's pretty
dope as well, and I so I appreciate that. And
I can't wait when I fly in on Wednesday to Arizona.
So as soon as I land, I'm gonna come see you,
because you got a little shin dig going, So I'm
gonna try to make it before it closes up shop. Yep.
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The Volume party in downtown Phoenix. As always, Buddy, it's
great seeing you YouTube. Talk to later come the volume.
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