September 7, 2022 • 50 mins
First, (3:00) Colin defends Jim Harbaugh against agenda-driven media criticism he still somehow gets after winning everywhere he’s ever coached.
Then, 5-time MVP, 2-time Super Bowl champ - and host of the Capital One College Bowl - Peyton Manning joins Colin to discuss how his intense weekly preparation changed once he got to Denver (9:00), the best quality he gets from dad Archie (12:00), if he would ever take a GM job (23:00), what he admires most about Eli (26:00), the value of the Niners playing Trey Lance now (29:00), why it was important to always be coachable (33:00), the most important trait he looks for in young QB's (41:00), and if he’s satisfied in his post-football career (48:00).
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he's joining us on the volume first though. You know,
I've always thought it's interesting. A long time ago, somebody
was asking me about social media, and I said, it's
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too often a place where less successful people go to
tell more successful people how to do things. Jim Harbaugh
is really successful, I don't know. In his entire life,
smart kids, beautiful wife, played in the NFL San Diego one,
Stanford one, super Bowl in the NFL Michigan one. He's
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been successful at every venture in his life. Dad, husband, player,
coach college pro Nick Saban embarrassed himself in the NFL.
Steve Spurri or Urban Meyer were disasters in the NFL.
Jimmy Johnson, Pete Carroll, and Jim Harbaugh won in both leagues.
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So Michigan has rated fourth in the latest Associated Press poll.
But please, less successful people tell me what a dolt
Jim Harball is. It's amazing how people can seriously criticize Harbaugh,
whose coaching career borders on unrivaled folks, ninety percent of
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college coaches get fired. Harbaugh is three for three San Diego, Stanford, Michigan,
Michigan's average ten wins since he arrived. Take out the
COVID season. That's a train wreck for everybody. They're in
the top four. He just beat Ohio State. And Michigan's
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not an easy school. They don't accept every recruit. It's
harder to get some kids into Michigan. It's an elite school,
elite law school, elite medical school. This is not a
place where you can get anybody in. It's harder to
win at Michigan. It's a great school. So you know,
I just I laugh at all these critics of Jim Harball.
Where is he failed ever ever. Show it to me.
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You don't have to like him, like you don't have
to like Brian Kelly. But folks, if you do something
and you succeed in multiple places, Bill Parcels turned around
four different pro football teams. He's good at what he's done. Like,
where has Harbaugh ever failed? I mean, even the people
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who love Saban would have to acknowledge the NFL was
a bit of a shit show for him. I mean
a lot of stories that he couldn't get along with players.
Nobody could look him in the eye. And I like
Nick Saban a lot, but he was a little too rigid,
a little too pro system over player. Harbaugh took a
disaster with the forty nine ers, got him to a
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Super Bowl left and they were a disaster forty five
minutes later. So when I look at Michigan, they're not
in Georgia's class or Alabama's class, and most years they're
not as good as Ohio State. But Ohio State's probably
right now the third best program in America. Some would
are you second, there's one hundred and thirty programs. If
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Michigan is between five and twenty, and you know they are,
He's done a great job at Michigan, by the way,
never been busted for any recruiting scandal. So he does
things right. It takes him a little longer. He's not
going to roll the dice on some of these recruits.
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And a lot of the Michigan boosters. This is a
very refined university. A lot of these southern schools they'll
just get into bidding wars for a high school football player.
Michigan's a little different. They're boosters. It's not gonna be
a cash grabbed by high schoolers. They're not going to
do it. I respect that, But God, the constant negativity
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around Jim Harball look in the mirror. Good God. If
most people in America could be just as successful as
he was in his first job, it's San Diego. That
would be an incredible coaching career. If you turn around
one program, you turn around three and got to a
Super Bowl and the Niners hanged when he left, I'll
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never get it. You know, people complain that the media
has agendas, and I think fans are often right that
the media has agendas, But fans have agendas. Two, if
you don't get what Hardba has done in his career,
you've got an agenda. The only program in America that
can kind of look down on him is Ohio State
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because they play him every year and they've dominated that series. Well.
Ohio State historically, he's a better football program, not always better,
not every year better. But Ohio State is the one
Northern school in America that feels like a Southern, dedicated, focus, committed,
wealthy football program. I've said that for years. Ohio State
feels like if you put him in the SEC, they'd
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fit right in. Socially, academically, athletically commitment, they'd fit right in.
Michigan feels like a Northern academic football power. They should
be proud. It's a great school. I wish I would
have gone there, But I mean, look yourself in the mirror.
If you're still banging on the media that has agendas
and you're criticizing Jim Harbaugh, it's a layup, folks. That's
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an easy one. He's really good at what he does.
He's different, he's unique, he's outspoken. You don't have to
love what he's doing. But not everybody loves what Dabo
Sweeney says. Not everybody loves how Saban acts. Peyton Manning's
a pro and College Football Hall of Famer, two Super Bowls,
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five MVPs, co host of The Manning Cast on ESPN
two with his brother Eli, host of the Capital one
College Bowl. Season two of the Capital One College Bowl
kicks off back to back episodes Friday, September night eight,
Eastern Pacific on NBC. The one and Only Peyton Manning
joins us. So. Through the years, I've I've had discussions
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about you with people I consider friends, Bill Poleion, you know,
just different coaches that have known you, Eli Cooper, and
you know, I've said one of the things I like
about Peyton is that Peyton really wins the game before
the game. He's a prep monster's he likes his control.
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He likes his prep. A lot of guys are in
my business. I'm a prep guy. Not everybody is. That's fine.
I like control. I like to take the audience. Somewhere
in my early career there were times, Peyton that I
thought I overprepared and became paralyzed by my notes. And
I'm sure somebody has asked you this before, but people
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like you who like control and live for prep. Was
there ever moment, Maybe it was Denver or your thought.
I kind of got it down. I kind of get
the rhythm. I'm gonna go out to night with my
wife on Thursday. Take me through that process, because I
think it's pretty well documented. You are. You changed the
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game intellectually. You kind of made everybody else prep longer.
Was it always that way to the end, No, I
definitely adjusted Colin when I got to Denver for probably
two reasons. One just coming off that injury, I had
a whole year to kind of reflect and do a
little self analysis of kind of my whole routine when
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it came to football. The rehab took so much time,
and so obviously I wasn't watching a ton of film
during that time when I was rehabbing. And in the
same year I missed the entire season due to injury,
Mashie and I had twins, so that that completely changed
everything for me. It was a big reason for us
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kind of waiting to have kids, was because I knew
that I was all in on football. You know, I
hear guys saying they don't take it home with them.
I think you have to take it home with you
as a quarterback, right and staying up till twelve thirty
one o'clock in the morning, studying film because I got
to get that Dolphins Patriots game watched because we're playing
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the Patriots this week, and I, you know, I have
to get it watched. It's Tuesday night, and I don't
get that watched. I'm behind. And that's how I That's
kind of how I rolled once I had kids coming
home after practice, especially those four years in Denver, it's
a it's a completely different deal. And I was all
in on being a dad, still preparing and studying film
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and I don't get me wrong, but just being a
little more organized with my time, maybe on my off
days on tuesdays, the things that I was doing. So
those four years in Denver were so much fun because
I learned that you can be a dad and you
can wrestle on the floor with your kids and still
actually be a pretty good cornerback. So, um, I guess
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I wish I would have known that earlier. Well, I
have a son and a daughter. They're totally different. My
daughter's all about the journey. My son is kind of
driven about the destination. He's talking about college when he
was like eleven years old, and my daughter wants to
kind of live and let live. So you and Eli
are different personalities, Cooper, different personality. But what quality do
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you have from your dad? I mean, I know, I
know your dad really a genuinely decent soul, good sense
of humor. Obviously you're all bright and really witty. But
if I said to you, Okay, what did you take
from your dad? What's the sauce? Yeah? I mean my
dad was a write things down list guy always. I mean,
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these are my posted notes that I have in my
pocket right now, eight different posted notes, right. So I
took that from my dad. Uh, he was a He
was a list guy. He was a to do list
for the week, a call list. Now. Once we taught
my dad to text, watch out world, my dad will
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text everybody. He will check in on people that are
not feeling well, that somebody whose grandson had a high
school game. You know, he is the best to keep
it up with his friends. But I remember when it
came to making tough decisions, he was a big list guy. Right,
the pluses and minuses down in front of you. Take
a look at it and see if that doesn't help
answer the question. I remember doing that. But I was
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choosing where to go to college. Choosing whether to stay
for my senior year or to term pro early, and
then choosing what NFL team to go play for after
the Colts. You know, uh sort of made their decisions.
So I still do that today. I'm a planner. I
am as good as a golf trip logistics organized as
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there is. I'm not saying I'm gonna play good golf,
but I mean we're gonna eat on time, We're gonna
tee off on time, those kind of things. So just
kind of his organization. And he was a prep guy
as well. You know, my dad was an incredible athlete,
but nobody was going to outwork him. And you know
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today I kind of took both of those things with him,
except the fact that I wasn't as good an athlete.
My dad did not give me his speed, which I'm
still mad about. He skipped the generation and gave it
to his grandsons. Well, you also needed it running on
those Saints offensive lines, which is true. Those So there
have been eleven quarterbacks since you left Denver, twelve since
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you left the Colts. And my belief on that is
this that the great quarterbacks almost all, not all, are
not They're not just quarterbacks they're CEOs, so you're not
replacing a player. You're replacing a player and a CEO.
The right ones are Elway John had some of that.
He was the CEO of the Broncos and he was
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the player you similarly, So it's pretty amazing. Twenty three quarterbacks.
In fact, there's another one here where a receiver played quarterback.
I think for Denver briefly we didn't count him. So
twenty three different quarterbacks. So I've gotten ship through the
years for saying this, but I've said before it bothers
me when I see a nineteen year old quarterback at
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the podium had on backwards or they play to what
I would call casually. They don't play with urgency. And
I say this because in my life almost all the
great quarterbacks they're not just quarterbacks. It's one of the
reasons I liked Andrew Luck and I like Russell Wilson.
That's off putting to some people, right Like when I
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hear about arch I think to myself, oh God, what
a break he's got all these CEOs, this lineage and
his family. Was there ever a time when you played
because you are the adult in the room, did you
ever have to check yourself and go ahead. I gotta
go and have beers tonight. I gotta be one of
the dudes tonight. I gotta cut it up with the fellas. Absolutely,
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And look, I think you can do both. I really do.
And there's no doubt as a quarterback, they are paying
you to do more than just play quarterback. They are
paying you to stand up at that podium after a
overtime loss where you throw an interception and to handle
it and to say, hey, I'm gonna be better next week.
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I mean, I mean you are very much the face
of the franchise when you're you know, out in the
community doing community service. I mean that there is more
than just the on the field stuff that comes with
being a quarterback. I mean, you sign up, you sign
up for all of it, right. Some guys just sign
up for the winds and the parades in the confetti, right.
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I believe you sign up for that sixth interception game
you have against the Chargers on a Sunday night game,
or to lose a playoff game in overtime. So but
I still think for me as a quarterback, if you
ever get too far away from the locker room from
having beers, with the offensive linement on Thursday night that
you're buying. By the way, if you're not buying, that's
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a problem, right, I mean you're you're buying their steaks,
you're buying their beer. It is money well invested. If
you ever get away from that, I think that could
be an issue. Right. So you know, to me, the
locker room, the camaraderie, the friendships with your teammates, and
also you know, in football, for an offensive player to
stay close to the defense, I think it's important, right.
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You know, locker rooms are set up different ways. Right
early on, they were always quarterbacks here in this section,
offensive line in this section defense on the other side.
Now you see teams everybody is all over the place,
right because they want the team to stay close together.
And the media can divide a team. Right, You've got
the Colts defense, and then there's the cold special teams,
Coats offense. Actually it's all the same team. So I
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always believed in that, and so I think you can
do both. Colin. I think having beers with the lineman
is important. But I also think standing up there at
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guys do a lot of B on B business on
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want to get into your private investments, but you've done really,
really well. But in those investments I do feel like
and I know, I know you've been in a liquor
bisin you're currently in it. I am in it, and
you're very committed to it. You'll you'll call the bar owner.
That's the game, right, You're a committed guy. And when
your name comes up for front office jobs, I've said, yeah,
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he's got the commitment and the intellect. That's not what
I worry about. But it's being a GM's weird because
you got often a crazy owner above you, and these
guys are billionaires and nobody tells them no. The second
thing is, you've played in this league. Some of it's guessing,
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like you can do all the tape shit. Some of
it Peyton is guessing. And somebody asked me once I said,
I don't think Peyton wants to get into the guessing business,
and everybody says, oh, I said, I could see him
being an owner. I could even see the coach thing
a little, although I didn't have the time, but I
think a lot of people see you because of your
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intellect as a general manager. And for me, I've always thought, ah,
a lot of moving parts you can't control there. How
do you view it? Yeah, I don't see a GM
in my future coach. I'm the offensive coordinator on my son,
Marshall's sixth grade football team. We got beaten overtime on Saturday,
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and uh, a couple of my players asked me why
I ran the ball so much into red Song. So
I think coaching in my future is also out because uh,
Hearing that from a couple of sixth graders was tough.
Hearing that from a thirty two year old wide receiver.
A quarterback, Hey, I haven't got the ball. What are
you doing? I think that's out um being a resource
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to to quarterbacks, to too rookies, H to coaches, UM
to general managers. I love doing that. And you know,
and in the six years I've been retired, I felt
like I've kind of been a resource to a number
of different people that have my number, either that I
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talk to about Monday Night football the broadcast and said, Hey,
by the way, let me ask you something. In the
two minute drill? Did you call everything? Did y'all stay
in the same formation? Seemply I've got a lot of
plays in And I would just go, yeah, actually we did.
We lined up in the same formation. And that might
be to Matt Lafleur, the head coach of the Packers.
And so I've enjoyed being that resource to lots of
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different people. And you know, if there was a team
to be a resource for specifically, sure, something like that.
But a general manager what you know, John Lynch has
done at San Francisco, and George Peyton is doing here
in Denver. Hey, I'm not qualified to do it. I
really don't think that I am. And it's just not
something that that's in my cards. You're right, I mean,
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it is a gift. It is a talent. You are
going all in on a draft choice and you're behind him,
and all of a sudden, two years in, you realize, Kalid,
this guy is just not the player that I thought
he was right, and everybody's gonna say, you made this
huge mistake. So yeah, I wouldn't be good at the guessing,
and h I don't see that in my cards by
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any means. If there's why I think you and eliars well,
you're obviously very funny, and I think Eli's got such
a unique personality and he's You're both comedic. His is
just a slow play and you're going one hundred miles
an hour. If I said to you, what, what thing
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about Eli just tickles you that you just it's not
in your genetic makeup, it's it's in his and you're like,
it's a damn gift, and it's just it's something that
you really like. Obviously you love your brother, but there's
something about him, a tick a uniqueness that you You're
you're really fond of Eli doesn't miss much. You know,
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sometimes he won't comment on something at the time, but
if I do something on a golf trip in a
conversation like, he's gonna wait and he's gonna he's gonna
bring it up at a better time for him to
expose me and make fun of me. Right you know,
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I'm more on the spot. I'm gonna tell you no,
no, no no, no, I cannot believe you just said that
that is not true. I'm gonna I'm gonna point out
that you were wrong right away. Eli's gonna wait, he's
gonna bide his time, and he's gonna bring this moment
up in front of Ashley, my parents, some old teammates,
which you know, you tell the teammates and that goes
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viral right that Saturdays Paul in Dallas Clark immediately and go, hey,
let me tell you what Eli told me that eighteen did.
Can you believe it? So it's it's tactical and hum
As soon as as soon as I do something, I
know it's coming out. It's it's gonna come back to
haunt me because he just doesn't miss anything. And so
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I think that was kind of always his personality on
the field, right, patient, kind of calculated. Uh, you know,
people got frustrated he was it more emotional and reactive.
It doesn't mean he didn't care about it and he
wasn't paying attention. Uh, he just sort of picks and
picks and chooses his moments. I want to ask you
about repetitions. Part of quarterback play, the verbal repetition the
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film repetition accuracy comes pretty easy to you, um it,
you know, Joe Burrow feels like it just it comes easy.
The ball comes out. Kyler Murray's got just a nice
baseball rhythm to it. Um. I watched Trey Lance and
esthetically it's not pretty. Now, Philip Rivers wasn't and he's
pretty accurate, right. You know, there's there's arguments about Josh Allen.
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So I watched two Josh Allen college games because I
heard about this kid from Wyoming. So I watched the
Oregon game in the Iowa game, and I'm like, oh boy,
there's this is a lot of work. This is a
raw pony said that somebody need he needs a trainer,
And all of a sudden you look up and it's like, Okay,
Matt Stafford has been really successful. He's about a sixty
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one sixty two percent completion guy. So you don't have
to be you, you don't have to be Kirk Cousins.
But do you kind of where do you land Peyton
on coaching accuracy? Where do you land on that? Because
Trey Lance worries me? Yeah, Look, I mean the better
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timing you have with your receivers, the more accurate you
can be. Obviously, there's a better chance to consistently move
the ball right every time you receive a kickoff. I
got an accurate quarterback. He knows where to go. He's playing,
he's been playing with these receivers for a couple of years.
I think we can go eighty yards on every single possession. Right.
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That's kind of how we felt when we played right.
We didn't care where we got the ball on the kickoff.
I mean I used to get so mad at you know,
a block in the back on a kick return. I'm like,
just get me to the twenty. Given the twenty, we
can score, all right, but starting on the ten because
you clipped that was always annoying to me, and that
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player never had to answer in a quarterback meeting room, right,
because he's probably like a safety that clipped that. You know,
special teams meetings are separate. So anyway, I'm getting off subjects.
If you're not super accurate as a coordinator, you're gonna
have him. You're gonna have to pick and choose your times,
when to take shots, when to try to have these
explosive plays to shorten drives. Right, it might be a
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you know, sprint right, throwback screen to Kittle that's gonna
get us fifty yards and now we're in the red zone.
Now we can maybe get a touchdown. So but for Trey,
I mean to me, it's about the reps. Right. Anytime
you're in quarterback competitions, right or not getting on the field,
your accuracy, your decision making, your play is always going
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to be challenged. Right. The best way to learn is
on the field, right, Twenty eight interceptions a rookie on
three games. But what I learned in that rookie season,
I mean, there's no way we're going thirteen and three
the next year if I don't play every game as
a rookie. Eli says that the six games he started
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with the Giants compared to the ten he sat behind
Kurt Warner, no comparison at all. Right on the field,
get in there, see just how fast these linebackers are.
See how much ground these safeties can cover. And you
don't really get that in practice. You don't get that
in the preseason. You get that in games, right in
division games are faster than nine division games. Playoff games
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are faster than regular season. Right, So you know, for trades,
just get him in there and let them learn and
hopefully you can win at the same time. Right, the
forty nine ers are used to winning, right, They're not
looking for a three and thirteen season, like you know,
first pick in the draft. There's a reason that team's
picking first in the draft, Colin, because they stink, right,
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you know. And so that was tough for me as
a rookie. But I think the supporting cast around Trey Samue,
Will Kittle, I think they can give him a chance
of success. I think Kyle Shanahan knows the positions to
keep Trey in to give him a chance to be successful.
You know, being successful. It doesn't matter if it's Peyton Manning,
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Lebron Drake, it doesn't really matter. You've had success, you
have your wealth, you have your legacy, I think one
of the great challenges is are you still coachable? Are
you still curious? Everybody's curious, as are fighting like mad
to belong. Everybody's coachable. You got to a point where,
I think, rhythmically, intellectually he kind of changed it. Nobody
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ever talked about pre snap stuff before Peyton Manning. They
really didn't. My whole life, that just wasn't a discussion.
You're going up with three audibles, different counts, and the
great quarterbacks all sort of change it. I mean to
give Russell Wilson credit, we didn't even look at five
eleven quarterbacks like ten years ago. I think he got
some guys drafted so as you were successful, as you
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had a Super Bowl, because I do think there's a
very few, but there's a handful of guys Aaron Tom Russell.
Not that you were harder to coach. Was it harder
to be coached when your way had proven to be
all time stuff? But did you ever look in the
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mirror and think, because I've thought about this, Peyton, I've thought, hey, man,
don't get ahead of yourself. Listen, be curious, try new crap.
Take me through that journey for you. Sure well being coachable.
To me, is the only way to go about it.
I love being coached. I used to get angry when
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I wasn't coach, when in a in a meeting watching
the film when you know I made a bad decision
or my footwear it was terrible, and my quarterbacks didn't
say anything, and I'm like, hey, wake up, like you know,
speak up? That was you know that was the wrong footwork? Right?
I stepped as in the shotgun. My first step was
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with my left foot, should be with my right foot,
whatever it may be. So I used to love being coached.
I was coaching myself hard, Don't get me wrong. I
was like every film session that I ever went in
Colin with the coaches, I'd already watched that film myself. Right.
I think that's a pretty good lesson for a quarterback.
When you go into a meeting room with your offensive
coordinator to watch the film of the game, you should
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have already seen that game yourself. You control the clicker,
you're writing your notes down. So I was coaching myself hard.
But I wanted to be coached. I wanted to be
corrected on my mistakes. I wanted to have someone stay
on top of my mechanics by fundamentals. At the same time,
I wanted the coach to give me the freedom to
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make a change if I saw something. I mean, Colin,
there's this great debate what's the best way to call plays?
What's the best view? Is it in the press box,
is it all the sideline? Both of them are debatable. Right,
the press box is calming, there's not a lot of noise.
You can probably make better decisions. On the sidelines. You
can look the players in the eyes. On the sideline
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you get to field the game. Debatable. There is no
debate that the best view is out there. Playing quarterback,
you can see everything in real time. And if you
see something and you know what it is to be
able to change the play and get into a really
good play or most often get out of a bad play. Right, Okay,
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we've been trying to run this play to the left.
We finally call it, and all of a sudden, their
whole defensive shifted that way. Why are we going to
waste the play on that particular down in distance. Why
can't we just check it and run the other way
and then later maybe come back to that play to
the left, And so you know, half the time. People
used to say, he's always trying to get him into
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the perfect play. Not true getting us out of bad plays,
because you only have about sixty in the game, and
five of them are going to be the difference whether
you win or lose. All of them matter and all
of them counts. So I wanted my coaches to understand
that I was studying, I was going to work hard
to earn that freedom to possibly change the play. But
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at the same time, on fundamentals and basic quarterback play,
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to the USC game this weekend. By the way, Caleb Williams,
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when you're live at the game, man, he is instinctive. Peyton,
It's crazy like I is, like nineteen twenty. I couldn't
believe how instinctive he was. When I watch college coaches,
I always feel like seventeen hours nineteen year old kids.
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Just show me that you're not going to waste timeouts.
Show me you can manipulate personnel, like my standard is lower.
When you look at some of these college quarterbacks, what
do you look at like with Caleb, I'm like, wow,
instincts are good. Same delivery system, short, flat, deep seam.
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All looks the same. It's like a picture change up
fastball curve. Nothing looks different. The batter doesn't get any
hedges or ticks. So when you look, because we have
five quarterbacks this year, they're entering their second year and
we're already seeing some tells, some guys young, some guys
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not accurate. What do you look for when you see
a college quarterback? You know, it's funny because I get
to see a lot of these these kids in person
at our football camp. We have this football camp for
high school kids. It's called the Manning Passing Academy, but
it's turned into sort of a double pay it forward
and that we're coaching the high school kids. But this
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past year we had forty starting college quarterbacks come and
coach the high school kids. That they're counselors in the camp.
But in between practices, when the high school kids are
eating lunch or you know, taking a nap or taking
a shower, Eli and I are out there throwing with
these college quarterbacks or doing a chalk talk. We're not
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throwing anymore. Because you know, no one wants to see
five yard hitches thrown all day by a forty six
year old quarterback. But we're kind of running the drills
and I'm doing the same drills that I used to do.
So look, you can get fooled by how impressive a
guy is in what I would call routes versus air. Right,
you're throwing routes. There's no defense, there's no pass trush,
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there's no corner, and guy can wow you and go wow,
this guy can really throw or he can really spin it,
which is my least favorite term in all of football.
He can spin it. I don't know what that means.
Can he play? Can he leave? He moved the change?
That's what I want to know. You know, spin it?
So you know, I mean name somebody through the years.
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Matthew Stafford threw it as well as anybody who ever
had at the camp worked out for him. Andrew Luck,
I remember, didn't throw it all that well now because
everybody knows who he is and they expect every throw
to be a perfect spiral and write all on the target.
You know that probably works against Andrew because you know,
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oh he's not as good as I thought. He was
well because you thought he was never gonna throw it
in completion, right, JaMarcus Russell threw it as well as
anybody we ever had. One time we were on the
twenty yard line throw it out and he almost ran
the receiver into the goal post. My dad's like, you
got to back up, Peyton. I'm like, Dad, he just
threw it, you know, eighty five yards. I didn't know
he was going to throw it that far. You know,
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forty seven yards is my maximum. You know, deep patterns,
so you can get fooled in that. Bryce Young was
there this past year, Right, didn't wow you with his
you know, arm strength or accuracy. But what impressed me
about him is that, I mean, he is calm, he
is cool, he is in control, and that's what you
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see translate on the field. Right. So I'm looking for leadership.
I'm looking for presidents, and on the field, I'm looking
for decision making. Right. Do they make good decisions? Right?
That's what That's what really matters. Right. You know, while
in somebody in a private working out at the combine
or at your own you know campus, where the weather
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is perfect and you got your favorite song playing in
the background, to get you hyped up. That doesn't do
much for me, right, I want to see good decisions.
I want to see how they lead a drive after
they throw an inner exception. Right, That's what's going to
show me something. Right, do they put it behind them
or do they you know, I'll let it drag one
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and they throw another interception and make a bad decision.
So anyway, so going back to that guessing game. You
can get food by you know, certain quarterbacks, but I
think the guys that are leading, the guys that have presence,
you know, the guys through the years that have been
to that camp. You see that, and you see that
translating to success in the NFL. So, NBC this Friday,
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eight o'clock, it's the Capital One College Bowl to trivia
contest you and kids from all over the country Friday,
NBC tell us what to expect. Well, I mean, we're
excited to be back. I'm a big believer in bowls.
Grew up going to all the Sugar Bowls. I remember
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I was being recruited. Lou Holtz told me, Peyton, if
you want to play for national championships and playing the
Orange Bowl every year, come to Note Dame. If you
want to play in the pool an weed eater Bowl,
then maybe go somewhere like old mess right, So I'm like, wow,
that's that's recruiting right there in a nutshell. So College
Bowl there were no opt outs, which was impressive, which
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is rare for a bowl game now, right, because if
it's not the national championship, now everybody's playing in the
bowl game. We had sixteen teams this year, colin competing
last year didn't have as many teams, so it was
more competitive. We had all different teams. We had rivals, right,
we had Georgia versus Florida. We got Texas versus Oklahoma, Michigan,
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Ohio States, so we got the rivals. We had fans there,
we had a live audience, we had the band, we
had mascots. Cooper is going into the live audience with
an open mic, which you know the outtakes on those interviews,
I can promise you is that tape you want to see?
And so it felt like it felt like a game, right,
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My job to ask the question correctly. I had an
hour pronunciation meeting every morning. I didn't know what these
words meant, but I wanted to know how to pronounce
it because I wanted to give the kids the correct question.
Half the time I pronounced it incorrectly, they still get
the question right, which tells you how smart these kids are.
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So it was just better overall from an enthusiasm, a spirit,
the competitiveness. Cooper and I had a lot of fun
doing it. But the one thing that didn't change was
the fact that these kids are all playing for scholarships.
And that's the only reason I got involved in the
Capital one College goal because some of these kids lives
are getting changed. Right. The last place team gets five
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thousand dollars each toward their college education. The winning team
gets over one hundred and twenty thousand each toward their
college education. That's paying off student debt, that's given them
a chance to go to grad school. That's let their
little brother have a chance to go to college. And
so to witness that firsthand, and here's some of these
kids stories in the adversity in their lives. Uh, it
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was a special season and looking forward to getting it
started this fall. You know, it's kind of a gift
that you get along with your brothers so well, and
I think you don't know any other way, right, But
you know a lot of families don't. I mean, I
you know, I'm I'm divorced, remarried. I've seen a lot
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of different um fissures and families over the course of
my life. My sister and I now are very close.
But at the point you are in your life, it's business,
it's fun, it's laughs, it's the manning cast. The capital
of one college bowl is um. Is this how you
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wanted it to be? Post football? Like, like, have some
stuff fallen into your lap? Was this a plan? Is it?
Is it working the way you wanted to? Yeah, that's
a great question. On your first note. Uh, just you know,
shout out to my parents. I remember them telling us
often as kids, if you ever really want to disappoint us,
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just don't get along with each other as brothers. It'd
be one way to really disappoint us. So we always
kind of remember that, not saying we didn't fight, argue
all those things. We had each other's backs, and I
think that was just kind of a lesson. My parents
preach to us, which is a good which is a
good philosophy. You know. The best advice I got was
from Tony Dungee the year that I retired. As he said, Peyton,
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don't make any rash decisions. Don't go sign up to
do this right away, right to take a coaching job, right,
get involved in an organization, go into broadcasting. Just take
a year and just sort of let everything calm down, right,
you know, enjoy your first fall of not having to
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stay up till midnight watching film and grin. I did
a little health check around November number of two thousand
and sixteen, my first fall off, and the doctor said, wow,
your your stress levels a lot lower. I was like playing,
I'm not dealing with the Patriots third down package this week.
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I'm I'm playing off at noon with my friend Eric
uh so uh and And the last thing Tony said
was I think you'll learn in that year, maybe not
exactly what you want to do or what you don't
want to do. And that really helped a lot. And
I just kind of decided after that year that, um,
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I did not want to go into coaching. I didn't
think I'd be a very good coach. Right. I was
good at calling plays when I was playing quarterback. I'm
not very good when other people are playing quarterback. Hence
my sixth grade you know, offensive coordinator job. So far,
every time, you know, uh, Jim Sorgi or Brock Oswald
and went in sometime. They let me call plays in
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the preseason and I sucked at it right three and
out every single time. I learned I didn't want to
do that. And then I learned, you know, on the
broadcasting that the commitment to to be gone every weekend,
that there are no home games when it comes to broadcasting,
doing it the right way like Tony Romo does it,
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Chris Collinsworth, the late John Madden started it right. Go
watch practice, go interview the teams right be their hands
on one. It's the only way to do it. Well,
it's it's a four day commitment. Um. I wanted my
fall weekends uh to be to be free because for
twenty seven years they weren't. And so I kind of
learned what I did not want to do, and I
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just kind of found different things along the way that
kind of popped up because I didn't jump into something
right away. And now I get to do you know,
two shows with each of my brothers, right Eli, I
get to watch pro football from our houses. I do
it from my neighbor's Scott's garage. Elid doesn't know his
backhouse and we get to watch watch it and you know,
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laugh and make fun of each other, and we have
Snoop Dogg to watch it with us. I mean, are
you kidding me? There's no way I would have thought
I could do something like that. Cooper and I spent
a week together in Atlanta with these college students, watching
them compete, watching them show off how smart they were.
We went to dinner every night after each show. And
so sometimes by being patient and waiting, some good opportunities
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can come your way when you deal with young people.
I did. I tell I tell my kids this all
the time. You're so much smarter than I was. I
didn't have Google. It's incredible, Like I'm like an idiot,
like my son at sixteen. I'm like, he asked questions
about life. I'm like, I didn't even think about that
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stuff that I was like thirty six. When you're doing
this Capital One College Bowl, and whenever I hear people
complain about young people, I'm like, time out. Young people
are ambitious, willful, smart, empathetic. I'm kind of blown away
by young people. I mean, Cooper and I were so
impressed with all of them. I mean all sixteen teams
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there's three, there's three students on each team. Just how
fast they were getting some of these questions. I hadn't
even finished the question yet, which to me, like the
last three words were kind of what made the question unique.
And you know some student from BYU or Washington knows
it right away. And so anyway, yeah, I was impressed.
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They're competitive, the kids on college both this year. We're
not only smart, but they were engaging. They were entertaining. Man,
they high five each other when somebody else gets the
question right, but they also like applaud the other team
for getting right. Like the sportsmanship. It was very very
much on display as well. They all loved their schools,
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which to me is important. Right. Kids shouldn't use college
as a stepping stone just to get to the next step. Hey,
I'm gonna I'm gonna go here and just get out.
I mean, enjoy your four years there in college. Nobody
had more fun in his college time. And my brother Cooper,
I can promise you that he didn't get to play football,
he got injured, but he became a social legend at
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Old Miss. Without a doubt, the four years I had
at Tennessee the best four years I had you know Eli,
you know, had to red shirt because you know, you know,
freshman year, another senior was playing. He is so glad
he had five years there at Old Missiness. So that's
my message to all young people. Enjoy every single bit
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of the college experience. Yeah. I just read Phil Nicholson's
book by Alan Schipnuk and he stayed at Arizona State.
He could have gone pro and Phil was like, I'm
not gonna leave Arizona State. That's the greatest time. Why
would you leave Arizona State? What's the hurry? Yeah, So
I went to US. I went to Eastern Washington University,
so we didn't have this wild social life. But I
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tell my kids this all the time. You will never
rely on people you've never met before more, you'll drink
too much, You'll get a parking I got side swiped,
I got t boned in an intersection next to a
frat and people came pouring out of the house. I'm like,
you feel I mean, you know, listen, we all have
bad judgment. At nineteen I did. I still do sometimes,
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so to that it's been great. You're busy. The Capital
One College Bowl. When do you do it? And when
does it air, and how do I watch it and
consume it? It starts this Friday. It's on NBC. It's
going to be on every Friday night this fall. It's
a competition, sixteen teams, picture March Madness. There's elimination games.
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There's a little bit of a wild card round. If
a certain team gets beat in the first round, maybe
they have a chance to still get in it to
advance to the next level of eight teams. But it's
going down to the wire. And on that last Friday
night there's there's two teams left, winner take all. It's
it's an exciting time. I'm just telling you. I'm watching
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it's as we're kind of cutting out the you knows
and the us and the all the stutters that I had,
And I'm getting excited even though I know what's going
to happen. So, uh, if you love, if you love college,
if if you love you know, uh competition, if you
love passion and spirit and pageantreat College bowls for you
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and uh it's academically, it's it's extremely challenging and fun
to keep up with as well. All right, you're a
busy guy. You didn't need to do this. I appreciate it.
And you're You've always been really good with your time
for us, so in me, so I appreciate it. Colin,
I appreciate you having me on two things. Is the
reason Cooper Cup went to Eastern Washington because of you
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and your experienced there was that he was a no
star recruit from Yakamall. I am not the reason. In fact,
it's only recently that I've been mentioned as a notable
person who went there. I think got it. The first
twenty five years of my career, I didn't even make
Eastern's notable people got it. So now I'm notable. It's
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a big deal for me. Got it. And on a
second note, I forgot to ask if I forgot to
add Troy Eightman into that. Broadcasters that are doing it
the right way. Troy over to ESPN now, you know,
doing it doing it the real way. ELI and I
will be making fools out of ourselves over on ESPN too,
but Troy does it the right way. Good seeing you man,
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he's joining us on the volume first though. You know,
I've always thought it's interesting. A long time ago, somebody
was asking me about social media, and I said, it's
(01:06):
too often a place where less successful people go to
tell more successful people how to do things. Jim Harbaugh
is really successful, I don't know. In his entire life,
smart kids, beautiful wife, played in the NFL San Diego one,
Stanford one, super Bowl in the NFL Michigan one. He's
(01:29):
been successful at every venture in his life. Dad, husband, player,
coach college pro Nick Saban embarrassed himself in the NFL.
Steve Spurri or Urban Meyer were disasters in the NFL.
Jimmy Johnson, Pete Carroll, and Jim Harbaugh won in both leagues.
(01:51):
So Michigan has rated fourth in the latest Associated Press poll.
But please, less successful people tell me what a dolt
Jim Harball is. It's amazing how people can seriously criticize Harbaugh,
whose coaching career borders on unrivaled folks, ninety percent of
(02:14):
college coaches get fired. Harbaugh is three for three San Diego, Stanford, Michigan,
Michigan's average ten wins since he arrived. Take out the
COVID season. That's a train wreck for everybody. They're in
the top four. He just beat Ohio State. And Michigan's
(02:36):
not an easy school. They don't accept every recruit. It's
harder to get some kids into Michigan. It's an elite school,
elite law school, elite medical school. This is not a
place where you can get anybody in. It's harder to
win at Michigan. It's a great school. So you know,
I just I laugh at all these critics of Jim Harball.
Where is he failed ever ever. Show it to me.
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You don't have to like him, like you don't have
to like Brian Kelly. But folks, if you do something
and you succeed in multiple places, Bill Parcels turned around
four different pro football teams. He's good at what he's done. Like,
where has Harbaugh ever failed? I mean, even the people
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who love Saban would have to acknowledge the NFL was
a bit of a shit show for him. I mean
a lot of stories that he couldn't get along with players.
Nobody could look him in the eye. And I like
Nick Saban a lot, but he was a little too rigid,
a little too pro system over player. Harbaugh took a
disaster with the forty nine ers, got him to a
(03:44):
Super Bowl left and they were a disaster forty five
minutes later. So when I look at Michigan, they're not
in Georgia's class or Alabama's class, and most years they're
not as good as Ohio State. But Ohio State's probably
right now the third best program in America. Some would
are you second, there's one hundred and thirty programs. If
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Michigan is between five and twenty, and you know they are,
He's done a great job at Michigan, by the way,
never been busted for any recruiting scandal. So he does
things right. It takes him a little longer. He's not
going to roll the dice on some of these recruits.
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And a lot of the Michigan boosters. This is a
very refined university. A lot of these southern schools they'll
just get into bidding wars for a high school football player.
Michigan's a little different. They're boosters. It's not gonna be
a cash grabbed by high schoolers. They're not going to
do it. I respect that, But God, the constant negativity
(04:51):
around Jim Harball look in the mirror. Good God. If
most people in America could be just as successful as
he was in his first job, it's San Diego. That
would be an incredible coaching career. If you turn around
one program, you turn around three and got to a
Super Bowl and the Niners hanged when he left, I'll
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never get it. You know, people complain that the media
has agendas, and I think fans are often right that
the media has agendas, But fans have agendas. Two, if
you don't get what Hardba has done in his career,
you've got an agenda. The only program in America that
can kind of look down on him is Ohio State
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because they play him every year and they've dominated that series. Well.
Ohio State historically, he's a better football program, not always better,
not every year better. But Ohio State is the one
Northern school in America that feels like a Southern, dedicated, focus, committed,
wealthy football program. I've said that for years. Ohio State
feels like if you put him in the SEC, they'd
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fit right in. Socially, academically, athletically commitment, they'd fit right in.
Michigan feels like a Northern academic football power. They should
be proud. It's a great school. I wish I would
have gone there, But I mean, look yourself in the mirror.
If you're still banging on the media that has agendas
and you're criticizing Jim Harbaugh, it's a layup, folks. That's
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an easy one. He's really good at what he does.
He's different, he's unique, he's outspoken. You don't have to
love what he's doing. But not everybody loves what Dabo
Sweeney says. Not everybody loves how Saban acts. Peyton Manning's
a pro and College Football Hall of Famer, two Super Bowls,
(06:43):
five MVPs, co host of The Manning Cast on ESPN
two with his brother Eli, host of the Capital one
College Bowl. Season two of the Capital One College Bowl
kicks off back to back episodes Friday, September night eight,
Eastern Pacific on NBC. The one and Only Peyton Manning
joins us. So. Through the years, I've I've had discussions
(07:07):
about you with people I consider friends, Bill Poleion, you know,
just different coaches that have known you, Eli Cooper, and
you know, I've said one of the things I like
about Peyton is that Peyton really wins the game before
the game. He's a prep monster's he likes his control.
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He likes his prep. A lot of guys are in
my business. I'm a prep guy. Not everybody is. That's fine.
I like control. I like to take the audience. Somewhere
in my early career there were times, Peyton that I
thought I overprepared and became paralyzed by my notes. And
I'm sure somebody has asked you this before, but people
(07:54):
like you who like control and live for prep. Was
there ever moment, Maybe it was Denver or your thought.
I kind of got it down. I kind of get
the rhythm. I'm gonna go out to night with my
wife on Thursday. Take me through that process, because I
think it's pretty well documented. You are. You changed the
(08:17):
game intellectually. You kind of made everybody else prep longer.
Was it always that way to the end, No, I
definitely adjusted Colin when I got to Denver for probably
two reasons. One just coming off that injury, I had
a whole year to kind of reflect and do a
little self analysis of kind of my whole routine when
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it came to football. The rehab took so much time,
and so obviously I wasn't watching a ton of film
during that time when I was rehabbing. And in the
same year I missed the entire season due to injury,
Mashie and I had twins, so that that completely changed
everything for me. It was a big reason for us
(09:01):
kind of waiting to have kids, was because I knew
that I was all in on football. You know, I
hear guys saying they don't take it home with them.
I think you have to take it home with you
as a quarterback, right and staying up till twelve thirty
one o'clock in the morning, studying film because I got
to get that Dolphins Patriots game watched because we're playing
(09:23):
the Patriots this week, and I, you know, I have
to get it watched. It's Tuesday night, and I don't
get that watched. I'm behind. And that's how I That's
kind of how I rolled once I had kids coming
home after practice, especially those four years in Denver, it's
a it's a completely different deal. And I was all
in on being a dad, still preparing and studying film
(09:47):
and I don't get me wrong, but just being a
little more organized with my time, maybe on my off
days on tuesdays, the things that I was doing. So
those four years in Denver were so much fun because
I learned that you can be a dad and you
can wrestle on the floor with your kids and still
actually be a pretty good cornerback. So, um, I guess
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I wish I would have known that earlier. Well, I
have a son and a daughter. They're totally different. My
daughter's all about the journey. My son is kind of
driven about the destination. He's talking about college when he
was like eleven years old, and my daughter wants to
kind of live and let live. So you and Eli
are different personalities, Cooper, different personality. But what quality do
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you have from your dad? I mean, I know, I
know your dad really a genuinely decent soul, good sense
of humor. Obviously you're all bright and really witty. But
if I said to you, Okay, what did you take
from your dad? What's the sauce? Yeah? I mean my
dad was a write things down list guy always. I mean,
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these are my posted notes that I have in my
pocket right now, eight different posted notes, right. So I
took that from my dad. Uh, he was a He
was a list guy. He was a to do list
for the week, a call list. Now. Once we taught
my dad to text, watch out world, my dad will
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text everybody. He will check in on people that are
not feeling well, that somebody whose grandson had a high
school game. You know, he is the best to keep
it up with his friends. But I remember when it
came to making tough decisions, he was a big list guy. Right,
the pluses and minuses down in front of you. Take
a look at it and see if that doesn't help
answer the question. I remember doing that. But I was
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choosing where to go to college. Choosing whether to stay
for my senior year or to term pro early, and
then choosing what NFL team to go play for after
the Colts. You know, uh sort of made their decisions.
So I still do that today. I'm a planner. I
am as good as a golf trip logistics organized as
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there is. I'm not saying I'm gonna play good golf,
but I mean we're gonna eat on time, We're gonna
tee off on time, those kind of things. So just
kind of his organization. And he was a prep guy
as well. You know, my dad was an incredible athlete,
but nobody was going to outwork him. And you know
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today I kind of took both of those things with him,
except the fact that I wasn't as good an athlete.
My dad did not give me his speed, which I'm
still mad about. He skipped the generation and gave it
to his grandsons. Well, you also needed it running on
those Saints offensive lines, which is true. Those So there
have been eleven quarterbacks since you left Denver, twelve since
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you left the Colts. And my belief on that is
this that the great quarterbacks almost all, not all, are
not They're not just quarterbacks they're CEOs, so you're not
replacing a player. You're replacing a player and a CEO.
The right ones are Elway John had some of that.
He was the CEO of the Broncos and he was
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the player you similarly, So it's pretty amazing. Twenty three quarterbacks.
In fact, there's another one here where a receiver played quarterback.
I think for Denver briefly we didn't count him. So
twenty three different quarterbacks. So I've gotten ship through the
years for saying this, but I've said before it bothers
me when I see a nineteen year old quarterback at
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the podium had on backwards or they play to what
I would call casually. They don't play with urgency. And
I say this because in my life almost all the
great quarterbacks they're not just quarterbacks. It's one of the
reasons I liked Andrew Luck and I like Russell Wilson.
That's off putting to some people, right Like when I
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hear about arch I think to myself, oh God, what
a break he's got all these CEOs, this lineage and
his family. Was there ever a time when you played
because you are the adult in the room, did you
ever have to check yourself and go ahead. I gotta
go and have beers tonight. I gotta be one of
the dudes tonight. I gotta cut it up with the fellas. Absolutely,
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And look, I think you can do both. I really do.
And there's no doubt as a quarterback, they are paying
you to do more than just play quarterback. They are
paying you to stand up at that podium after a
overtime loss where you throw an interception and to handle
it and to say, hey, I'm gonna be better next week.
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I mean, I mean you are very much the face
of the franchise when you're you know, out in the
community doing community service. I mean that there is more
than just the on the field stuff that comes with
being a quarterback. I mean, you sign up, you sign
up for all of it, right. Some guys just sign
up for the winds and the parades in the confetti, right.
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I believe you sign up for that sixth interception game
you have against the Chargers on a Sunday night game,
or to lose a playoff game in overtime. So but
I still think for me as a quarterback, if you
ever get too far away from the locker room from
having beers, with the offensive linement on Thursday night that
you're buying. By the way, if you're not buying, that's
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a problem, right, I mean you're you're buying their steaks,
you're buying their beer. It is money well invested. If
you ever get away from that, I think that could
be an issue. Right. So you know, to me, the
locker room, the camaraderie, the friendships with your teammates, and
also you know, in football, for an offensive player to
stay close to the defense, I think it's important, right.
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You know, locker rooms are set up different ways. Right
early on, they were always quarterbacks here in this section,
offensive line in this section defense on the other side.
Now you see teams everybody is all over the place,
right because they want the team to stay close together.
And the media can divide a team. Right, You've got
the Colts defense, and then there's the cold special teams,
Coats offense. Actually it's all the same team. So I
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always believed in that, and so I think you can
do both. Colin. I think having beers with the lineman
is important. But I also think standing up there at
a press conference and accepting responsibility and vowing to do
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the audience. You have Omaha Productions, which is that you
guys do a lot of B on B business on
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want to get into your private investments, but you've done really,
really well. But in those investments I do feel like
and I know, I know you've been in a liquor
bisin you're currently in it. I am in it, and
you're very committed to it. You'll you'll call the bar owner.
That's the game, right, You're a committed guy. And when
your name comes up for front office jobs, I've said, yeah,
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he's got the commitment and the intellect. That's not what
I worry about. But it's being a GM's weird because
you got often a crazy owner above you, and these
guys are billionaires and nobody tells them no. The second
thing is, you've played in this league. Some of it's guessing,
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like you can do all the tape shit. Some of
it Peyton is guessing. And somebody asked me once I said,
I don't think Peyton wants to get into the guessing business,
and everybody says, oh, I said, I could see him
being an owner. I could even see the coach thing
a little, although I didn't have the time, but I
think a lot of people see you because of your
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intellect as a general manager. And for me, I've always thought, ah,
a lot of moving parts you can't control there. How
do you view it? Yeah, I don't see a GM
in my future coach. I'm the offensive coordinator on my son,
Marshall's sixth grade football team. We got beaten overtime on Saturday,
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and uh, a couple of my players asked me why
I ran the ball so much into red Song. So
I think coaching in my future is also out because uh,
Hearing that from a couple of sixth graders was tough.
Hearing that from a thirty two year old wide receiver.
A quarterback, Hey, I haven't got the ball. What are
you doing? I think that's out um being a resource
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to to quarterbacks, to too rookies, H to coaches, UM
to general managers. I love doing that. And you know,
and in the six years I've been retired, I felt
like I've kind of been a resource to a number
of different people that have my number, either that I
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talk to about Monday Night football the broadcast and said, Hey,
by the way, let me ask you something. In the
two minute drill? Did you call everything? Did y'all stay
in the same formation? Seemply I've got a lot of
plays in And I would just go, yeah, actually we did.
We lined up in the same formation. And that might
be to Matt Lafleur, the head coach of the Packers.
And so I've enjoyed being that resource to lots of
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different people. And you know, if there was a team
to be a resource for specifically, sure, something like that.
But a general manager what you know, John Lynch has
done at San Francisco, and George Peyton is doing here
in Denver. Hey, I'm not qualified to do it. I
really don't think that I am. And it's just not
something that that's in my cards. You're right, I mean,
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it is a gift. It is a talent. You are
going all in on a draft choice and you're behind him,
and all of a sudden, two years in, you realize, Kalid,
this guy is just not the player that I thought
he was right, and everybody's gonna say, you made this
huge mistake. So yeah, I wouldn't be good at the guessing,
and h I don't see that in my cards by
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any means. If there's why I think you and eliars well,
you're obviously very funny, and I think Eli's got such
a unique personality and he's You're both comedic. His is
just a slow play and you're going one hundred miles
an hour. If I said to you, what, what thing
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about Eli just tickles you that you just it's not
in your genetic makeup, it's it's in his and you're like,
it's a damn gift, and it's just it's something that
you really like. Obviously you love your brother, but there's
something about him, a tick a uniqueness that you You're
you're really fond of Eli doesn't miss much. You know,
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sometimes he won't comment on something at the time, but
if I do something on a golf trip in a
conversation like, he's gonna wait and he's gonna he's gonna
bring it up at a better time for him to
expose me and make fun of me. Right you know,
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I'm more on the spot. I'm gonna tell you no,
no, no no, no, I cannot believe you just said that
that is not true. I'm gonna I'm gonna point out
that you were wrong right away. Eli's gonna wait, he's
gonna bide his time, and he's gonna bring this moment
up in front of Ashley, my parents, some old teammates,
which you know, you tell the teammates and that goes
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viral right that Saturdays Paul in Dallas Clark immediately and go, hey,
let me tell you what Eli told me that eighteen did.
Can you believe it? So it's it's tactical and hum
As soon as as soon as I do something, I
know it's coming out. It's it's gonna come back to
haunt me because he just doesn't miss anything. And so
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I think that was kind of always his personality on
the field, right, patient, kind of calculated. Uh, you know,
people got frustrated he was it more emotional and reactive.
It doesn't mean he didn't care about it and he
wasn't paying attention. Uh, he just sort of picks and
picks and chooses his moments. I want to ask you
about repetitions. Part of quarterback play, the verbal repetition the
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film repetition accuracy comes pretty easy to you, um it,
you know, Joe Burrow feels like it just it comes easy.
The ball comes out. Kyler Murray's got just a nice
baseball rhythm to it. Um. I watched Trey Lance and
esthetically it's not pretty. Now, Philip Rivers wasn't and he's
pretty accurate, right. You know, there's there's arguments about Josh Allen.
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So I watched two Josh Allen college games because I
heard about this kid from Wyoming. So I watched the
Oregon game in the Iowa game, and I'm like, oh boy,
there's this is a lot of work. This is a
raw pony said that somebody need he needs a trainer,
And all of a sudden you look up and it's like, Okay,
Matt Stafford has been really successful. He's about a sixty
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one sixty two percent completion guy. So you don't have
to be you, you don't have to be Kirk Cousins.
But do you kind of where do you land Peyton
on coaching accuracy? Where do you land on that? Because
Trey Lance worries me? Yeah, Look, I mean the better
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timing you have with your receivers, the more accurate you
can be. Obviously, there's a better chance to consistently move
the ball right every time you receive a kickoff. I
got an accurate quarterback. He knows where to go. He's playing,
he's been playing with these receivers for a couple of years.
I think we can go eighty yards on every single possession. Right.
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That's kind of how we felt when we played right.
We didn't care where we got the ball on the kickoff.
I mean I used to get so mad at you know,
a block in the back on a kick return. I'm like,
just get me to the twenty. Given the twenty, we
can score, all right, but starting on the ten because
you clipped that was always annoying to me, and that
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player never had to answer in a quarterback meeting room, right,
because he's probably like a safety that clipped that. You know,
special teams meetings are separate. So anyway, I'm getting off subjects.
If you're not super accurate as a coordinator, you're gonna
have him. You're gonna have to pick and choose your times,
when to take shots, when to try to have these
explosive plays to shorten drives. Right, it might be a
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you know, sprint right, throwback screen to Kittle that's gonna
get us fifty yards and now we're in the red zone.
Now we can maybe get a touchdown. So but for Trey,
I mean to me, it's about the reps. Right. Anytime
you're in quarterback competitions, right or not getting on the field,
your accuracy, your decision making, your play is always going
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to be challenged. Right. The best way to learn is
on the field, right, Twenty eight interceptions a rookie on
three games. But what I learned in that rookie season,
I mean, there's no way we're going thirteen and three
the next year if I don't play every game as
a rookie. Eli says that the six games he started
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with the Giants compared to the ten he sat behind
Kurt Warner, no comparison at all. Right on the field,
get in there, see just how fast these linebackers are.
See how much ground these safeties can cover. And you
don't really get that in practice. You don't get that
in the preseason. You get that in games, right in
division games are faster than nine division games. Playoff games
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are faster than regular season. Right, So you know, for trades,
just get him in there and let them learn and
hopefully you can win at the same time. Right, the
forty nine ers are used to winning, right, They're not
looking for a three and thirteen season, like you know,
first pick in the draft. There's a reason that team's
picking first in the draft, Colin, because they stink, right,
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you know. And so that was tough for me as
a rookie. But I think the supporting cast around Trey Samue,
Will Kittle, I think they can give him a chance
of success. I think Kyle Shanahan knows the positions to
keep Trey in to give him a chance to be successful.
You know, being successful. It doesn't matter if it's Peyton Manning,
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Lebron Drake, it doesn't really matter. You've had success, you
have your wealth, you have your legacy, I think one
of the great challenges is are you still coachable? Are
you still curious? Everybody's curious, as are fighting like mad
to belong. Everybody's coachable. You got to a point where,
I think, rhythmically, intellectually he kind of changed it. Nobody
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ever talked about pre snap stuff before Peyton Manning. They
really didn't. My whole life, that just wasn't a discussion.
You're going up with three audibles, different counts, and the
great quarterbacks all sort of change it. I mean to
give Russell Wilson credit, we didn't even look at five
eleven quarterbacks like ten years ago. I think he got
some guys drafted so as you were successful, as you
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had a Super Bowl, because I do think there's a
very few, but there's a handful of guys Aaron Tom Russell.
Not that you were harder to coach. Was it harder
to be coached when your way had proven to be
all time stuff? But did you ever look in the
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mirror and think, because I've thought about this, Peyton, I've thought, hey, man,
don't get ahead of yourself. Listen, be curious, try new crap.
Take me through that journey for you. Sure well being coachable.
To me, is the only way to go about it.
I love being coached. I used to get angry when
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I wasn't coach, when in a in a meeting watching
the film when you know I made a bad decision
or my footwear it was terrible, and my quarterbacks didn't
say anything, and I'm like, hey, wake up, like you know,
speak up? That was you know that was the wrong footwork? Right?
I stepped as in the shotgun. My first step was
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with my left foot, should be with my right foot,
whatever it may be. So I used to love being coached.
I was coaching myself hard, Don't get me wrong. I
was like every film session that I ever went in
Colin with the coaches, I'd already watched that film myself. Right.
I think that's a pretty good lesson for a quarterback.
When you go into a meeting room with your offensive
coordinator to watch the film of the game, you should
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have already seen that game yourself. You control the clicker,
you're writing your notes down. So I was coaching myself hard.
But I wanted to be coached. I wanted to be
corrected on my mistakes. I wanted to have someone stay
on top of my mechanics by fundamentals. At the same time,
I wanted the coach to give me the freedom to
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make a change if I saw something. I mean, Colin,
there's this great debate what's the best way to call plays?
What's the best view? Is it in the press box,
is it all the sideline? Both of them are debatable. Right,
the press box is calming, there's not a lot of noise.
You can probably make better decisions. On the sidelines. You
can look the players in the eyes. On the sideline
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you get to field the game. Debatable. There is no
debate that the best view is out there. Playing quarterback,
you can see everything in real time. And if you
see something and you know what it is to be
able to change the play and get into a really
good play or most often get out of a bad play. Right, Okay,
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we've been trying to run this play to the left.
We finally call it, and all of a sudden, their
whole defensive shifted that way. Why are we going to
waste the play on that particular down in distance. Why
can't we just check it and run the other way
and then later maybe come back to that play to
the left, And so you know, half the time. People
used to say, he's always trying to get him into
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the perfect play. Not true getting us out of bad plays,
because you only have about sixty in the game, and
five of them are going to be the difference whether
you win or lose. All of them matter and all
of them counts. So I wanted my coaches to understand
that I was studying, I was going to work hard
to earn that freedom to possibly change the play. But
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when you're live at the game, man, he is instinctive. Peyton,
It's crazy like I is, like nineteen twenty. I couldn't
believe how instinctive he was. When I watch college coaches,
I always feel like seventeen hours nineteen year old kids.
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Just show me that you're not going to waste timeouts.
Show me you can manipulate personnel, like my standard is lower.
When you look at some of these college quarterbacks, what
do you look at like with Caleb, I'm like, wow,
instincts are good. Same delivery system, short, flat, deep seam.
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All looks the same. It's like a picture change up
fastball curve. Nothing looks different. The batter doesn't get any
hedges or ticks. So when you look, because we have
five quarterbacks this year, they're entering their second year and
we're already seeing some tells, some guys young, some guys
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not accurate. What do you look for when you see
a college quarterback? You know, it's funny because I get
to see a lot of these these kids in person
at our football camp. We have this football camp for
high school kids. It's called the Manning Passing Academy, but
it's turned into sort of a double pay it forward
and that we're coaching the high school kids. But this
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past year we had forty starting college quarterbacks come and
coach the high school kids. That they're counselors in the camp.
But in between practices, when the high school kids are
eating lunch or you know, taking a nap or taking
a shower, Eli and I are out there throwing with
these college quarterbacks or doing a chalk talk. We're not
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throwing anymore. Because you know, no one wants to see
five yard hitches thrown all day by a forty six
year old quarterback. But we're kind of running the drills
and I'm doing the same drills that I used to do.
So look, you can get fooled by how impressive a
guy is in what I would call routes versus air. Right,
you're throwing routes. There's no defense, there's no pass trush,
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there's no corner, and guy can wow you and go wow,
this guy can really throw or he can really spin it,
which is my least favorite term in all of football.
He can spin it. I don't know what that means.
Can he play? Can he leave? He moved the change?
That's what I want to know. You know, spin it?
So you know, I mean name somebody through the years.
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Matthew Stafford threw it as well as anybody who ever
had at the camp worked out for him. Andrew Luck,
I remember, didn't throw it all that well now because
everybody knows who he is and they expect every throw
to be a perfect spiral and write all on the target.
You know that probably works against Andrew because you know,
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oh he's not as good as I thought. He was
well because you thought he was never gonna throw it
in completion, right, JaMarcus Russell threw it as well as
anybody we ever had. One time we were on the
twenty yard line throw it out and he almost ran
the receiver into the goal post. My dad's like, you
got to back up, Peyton. I'm like, Dad, he just
threw it, you know, eighty five yards. I didn't know
he was going to throw it that far. You know,
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forty seven yards is my maximum. You know, deep patterns,
so you can get fooled in that. Bryce Young was
there this past year, Right, didn't wow you with his
you know, arm strength or accuracy. But what impressed me
about him is that, I mean, he is calm, he
is cool, he is in control, and that's what you
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see translate on the field. Right. So I'm looking for leadership.
I'm looking for presidents, and on the field, I'm looking
for decision making. Right. Do they make good decisions? Right?
That's what That's what really matters. Right. You know, while
in somebody in a private working out at the combine
or at your own you know campus, where the weather
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is perfect and you got your favorite song playing in
the background, to get you hyped up. That doesn't do
much for me, right, I want to see good decisions.
I want to see how they lead a drive after
they throw an inner exception. Right, That's what's going to
show me something. Right, do they put it behind them
or do they you know, I'll let it drag one
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and they throw another interception and make a bad decision.
So anyway, so going back to that guessing game. You
can get food by you know, certain quarterbacks, but I
think the guys that are leading, the guys that have presence,
you know, the guys through the years that have been
to that camp. You see that, and you see that
translating to success in the NFL. So, NBC this Friday,
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eight o'clock, it's the Capital One College Bowl to trivia
contest you and kids from all over the country Friday,
NBC tell us what to expect. Well, I mean, we're
excited to be back. I'm a big believer in bowls.
Grew up going to all the Sugar Bowls. I remember
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I was being recruited. Lou Holtz told me, Peyton, if
you want to play for national championships and playing the
Orange Bowl every year, come to Note Dame. If you
want to play in the pool an weed eater Bowl,
then maybe go somewhere like old mess right, So I'm like, wow,
that's that's recruiting right there in a nutshell. So College
Bowl there were no opt outs, which was impressive, which
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is rare for a bowl game now, right, because if
it's not the national championship, now everybody's playing in the
bowl game. We had sixteen teams this year, colin competing
last year didn't have as many teams, so it was
more competitive. We had all different teams. We had rivals, right,
we had Georgia versus Florida. We got Texas versus Oklahoma, Michigan,
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Ohio States, so we got the rivals. We had fans there,
we had a live audience, we had the band, we
had mascots. Cooper is going into the live audience with
an open mic, which you know the outtakes on those interviews,
I can promise you is that tape you want to see?
And so it felt like it felt like a game, right,
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My job to ask the question correctly. I had an
hour pronunciation meeting every morning. I didn't know what these
words meant, but I wanted to know how to pronounce
it because I wanted to give the kids the correct question.
Half the time I pronounced it incorrectly, they still get
the question right, which tells you how smart these kids are.
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So it was just better overall from an enthusiasm, a spirit,
the competitiveness. Cooper and I had a lot of fun
doing it. But the one thing that didn't change was
the fact that these kids are all playing for scholarships.
And that's the only reason I got involved in the
Capital one College goal because some of these kids lives
are getting changed. Right. The last place team gets five
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thousand dollars each toward their college education. The winning team
gets over one hundred and twenty thousand each toward their
college education. That's paying off student debt, that's given them
a chance to go to grad school. That's let their
little brother have a chance to go to college. And
so to witness that firsthand, and here's some of these
kids stories in the adversity in their lives. Uh, it
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was a special season and looking forward to getting it
started this fall. You know, it's kind of a gift
that you get along with your brothers so well, and
I think you don't know any other way, right, But
you know a lot of families don't. I mean, I
you know, I'm I'm divorced, remarried. I've seen a lot
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of different um fissures and families over the course of
my life. My sister and I now are very close.
But at the point you are in your life, it's business,
it's fun, it's laughs, it's the manning cast. The capital
of one college bowl is um. Is this how you
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wanted it to be? Post football? Like, like, have some
stuff fallen into your lap? Was this a plan? Is it?
Is it working the way you wanted to? Yeah, that's
a great question. On your first note. Uh, just you know,
shout out to my parents. I remember them telling us
often as kids, if you ever really want to disappoint us,
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just don't get along with each other as brothers. It'd
be one way to really disappoint us. So we always
kind of remember that, not saying we didn't fight, argue
all those things. We had each other's backs, and I
think that was just kind of a lesson. My parents
preach to us, which is a good which is a
good philosophy. You know. The best advice I got was
from Tony Dungee the year that I retired. As he said, Peyton,
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don't make any rash decisions. Don't go sign up to
do this right away, right to take a coaching job, right,
get involved in an organization, go into broadcasting. Just take
a year and just sort of let everything calm down, right,
you know, enjoy your first fall of not having to
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stay up till midnight watching film and grin. I did
a little health check around November number of two thousand
and sixteen, my first fall off, and the doctor said, wow,
your your stress levels a lot lower. I was like playing,
I'm not dealing with the Patriots third down package this week.
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I'm I'm playing off at noon with my friend Eric
uh so uh and And the last thing Tony said
was I think you'll learn in that year, maybe not
exactly what you want to do or what you don't
want to do. And that really helped a lot. And
I just kind of decided after that year that, um,
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I did not want to go into coaching. I didn't
think I'd be a very good coach. Right. I was
good at calling plays when I was playing quarterback. I'm
not very good when other people are playing quarterback. Hence
my sixth grade you know, offensive coordinator job. So far,
every time, you know, uh, Jim Sorgi or Brock Oswald
and went in sometime. They let me call plays in
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the preseason and I sucked at it right three and
out every single time. I learned I didn't want to
do that. And then I learned, you know, on the
broadcasting that the commitment to to be gone every weekend,
that there are no home games when it comes to broadcasting,
doing it the right way like Tony Romo does it,
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Chris Collinsworth, the late John Madden started it right. Go
watch practice, go interview the teams right be their hands
on one. It's the only way to do it. Well,
it's it's a four day commitment. Um. I wanted my
fall weekends uh to be to be free because for
twenty seven years they weren't. And so I kind of
learned what I did not want to do, and I
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just kind of found different things along the way that
kind of popped up because I didn't jump into something
right away. And now I get to do you know,
two shows with each of my brothers, right Eli, I
get to watch pro football from our houses. I do
it from my neighbor's Scott's garage. Elid doesn't know his
backhouse and we get to watch watch it and you know,
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laugh and make fun of each other, and we have
Snoop Dogg to watch it with us. I mean, are
you kidding me? There's no way I would have thought
I could do something like that. Cooper and I spent
a week together in Atlanta with these college students, watching
them compete, watching them show off how smart they were.
We went to dinner every night after each show. And
so sometimes by being patient and waiting, some good opportunities
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can come your way when you deal with young people.
I did. I tell I tell my kids this all
the time. You're so much smarter than I was. I
didn't have Google. It's incredible, Like I'm like an idiot,
like my son at sixteen. I'm like, he asked questions
about life. I'm like, I didn't even think about that
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stuff that I was like thirty six. When you're doing
this Capital One College Bowl, and whenever I hear people
complain about young people, I'm like, time out. Young people
are ambitious, willful, smart, empathetic. I'm kind of blown away
by young people. I mean, Cooper and I were so
impressed with all of them. I mean all sixteen teams
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there's three, there's three students on each team. Just how
fast they were getting some of these questions. I hadn't
even finished the question yet, which to me, like the
last three words were kind of what made the question unique.
And you know some student from BYU or Washington knows
it right away. And so anyway, yeah, I was impressed.
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They're competitive, the kids on college both this year. We're
not only smart, but they were engaging. They were entertaining. Man,
they high five each other when somebody else gets the
question right, but they also like applaud the other team
for getting right. Like the sportsmanship. It was very very
much on display as well. They all loved their schools,
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which to me is important. Right. Kids shouldn't use college
as a stepping stone just to get to the next step. Hey,
I'm gonna I'm gonna go here and just get out.
I mean, enjoy your four years there in college. Nobody
had more fun in his college time. And my brother Cooper,
I can promise you that he didn't get to play football,
he got injured, but he became a social legend at
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Old Miss. Without a doubt, the four years I had
at Tennessee the best four years I had you know Eli,
you know, had to red shirt because you know, you know,
freshman year, another senior was playing. He is so glad
he had five years there at Old Missiness. So that's
my message to all young people. Enjoy every single bit
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of the college experience. Yeah. I just read Phil Nicholson's
book by Alan Schipnuk and he stayed at Arizona State.
He could have gone pro and Phil was like, I'm
not gonna leave Arizona State. That's the greatest time. Why
would you leave Arizona State? What's the hurry? Yeah, So
I went to US. I went to Eastern Washington University,
so we didn't have this wild social life. But I
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tell my kids this all the time. You will never
rely on people you've never met before more, you'll drink
too much, You'll get a parking I got side swiped,
I got t boned in an intersection next to a
frat and people came pouring out of the house. I'm like,
you feel I mean, you know, listen, we all have
bad judgment. At nineteen I did. I still do sometimes,
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so to that it's been great. You're busy. The Capital
One College Bowl. When do you do it? And when
does it air, and how do I watch it and
consume it? It starts this Friday. It's on NBC. It's
going to be on every Friday night this fall. It's
a competition, sixteen teams, picture March Madness. There's elimination games.
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There's a little bit of a wild card round. If
a certain team gets beat in the first round, maybe
they have a chance to still get in it to
advance to the next level of eight teams. But it's
going down to the wire. And on that last Friday
night there's there's two teams left, winner take all. It's
it's an exciting time. I'm just telling you. I'm watching
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it's as we're kind of cutting out the you knows
and the us and the all the stutters that I had,
And I'm getting excited even though I know what's going
to happen. So, uh, if you love, if you love college,
if if you love you know, uh competition, if you
love passion and spirit and pageantreat College bowls for you
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and uh it's academically, it's it's extremely challenging and fun
to keep up with as well. All right, you're a
busy guy. You didn't need to do this. I appreciate it.
And you're You've always been really good with your time
for us, so in me, so I appreciate it. Colin,
I appreciate you having me on two things. Is the
reason Cooper Cup went to Eastern Washington because of you
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and your experienced there was that he was a no
star recruit from Yakamall. I am not the reason. In fact,
it's only recently that I've been mentioned as a notable
person who went there. I think got it. The first
twenty five years of my career, I didn't even make
Eastern's notable people got it. So now I'm notable. It's
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a big deal for me. Got it. And on a
second note, I forgot to ask if I forgot to
add Troy Eightman into that. Broadcasters that are doing it
the right way. Troy over to ESPN now, you know,
doing it doing it the real way. ELI and I
will be making fools out of ourselves over on ESPN too,
but Troy does it the right way. Good seeing you man,
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Thank you l the volume. Make sure to check out
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