Colin is joined by Danny Parkins, host of “Breakfast Ball” on FS1!
They start with the Chicago Bears and debate whether the Bears should consider making a trade offer for 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan in order to change the culture and optimize the development of #1 overall pick Caleb Williams (4:00).
They discuss the new Aaron Rodgers documentary and why it confirms Colin’s theory that Aaron’s success stemmed largely from his natural talent and not his willingness to “grind” like so many of the other greats (10:30).
They pivot to the recent social media obsession with UFO’s and give their takes as to what’s really behind it (17:30). They debate whether MLB’s proposed “Golden At Bat” rule is a good or bad idea (30:30) and whether the Caitlin Clark vs Angel Reese rivalry can fuel WNBA ratings for years to come (40:00).
Finally, they talk about the social media exodus of users from X to Bluesky in the wake of the election (54:15) and the major lack of self-awareness in American media and politics (1:05:00).
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I only get to see Danny Parkins because of our
active schedules for about once a month for about an hour.
So it's always fun for me. Danny course on breakfast Ball,
big radio star in Chicago that we scooped up at
FS one. So, and I want you to think about
this for a second. There are things, especially in sports,
that I noticed because we're both in this business, that
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you wonder why they haven't taken place sooner and then
over the course of time, Like if you really think
about analytics, why did it take so long for NBA
gms to figure out math? It's like, this was like,
it's what happened? Did a slide ruler fall into a
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GM's office and he had doodling one day with time?
It's so, here's one of them. I believe exits the
smartest pece I've met. Did not always go to great
schools or have great childhoods. In fact, I would argue,
if there's a certain jet fuel to chaos as a
child that propels you to aspirational life, right and sure,
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at any one time in the history of the NFL,
there's about five rockstar coaches, and right now it's you know,
Sean Payton took Chernobyl and two years later they're going
to make the playoffs. With a rookie quarterback, and you
know dead cap Hell, Jim Harbaugh, Andy Reid. You know
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there's a handful. I think McVeigh and Shanahan fall into
that group. And Pro Football Talks suggested the Bear should
call Kyle Shanahan, and I'm just gonna throw this out
exens So Kyle Shanahan is smart. He has a losing
record in San Francisco as a head coach without Christian McCaffrey,
who is now into the twilight of his career, Hurtle
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in Carolina, more so in San Francisco, he is staring
down the barrel of signing Brock pretty injured for the
second time, to a big deal. It is an old, expensive,
brittle roster and he has the least talented quarterback and
here are the Bears good roster. He'd get power quarterbacks
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free for four years. He's got weapons, actually a decent back,
and it's a restart. And you'd say to yourself why,
because just like San Francisco, San Francisco was a dead
franchise held the Warriors were a dead franchise for years.
But the minute they got good people are like oh
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Rick Barry, Chris Mullen, certain franchises are dead. The New
York Giants are. The Bears feel like they are. But again,
the Warriors were, the Niners were. Chicago is a massive
football brand and to be the savior of it in
an offensive era, I said this today, I would absolutely say,
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here's three first round picks.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
We got our cornerback.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I don't need that. Here we go Kyle Shanahan. I
think staring down the barrel of Christian McCaffrey's age, brock
pretty getting the bag an old, expensive roster with a
lot of debo, and I you questions, I think he
takes the call. Am I nuts?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
No, you're not nuts, But I mean he you don't
really trade with him, right, like the Niners trade? Yeah?
So like that do the not because Kyle Shanahan maybe
is interested in the exit, but are the Niners interested
in it? Like I would absolutely say the Bears get
the twelfth pick in the draft. Of course I would
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trade the twelfth pick in the draft for Kyle Shanahan.
Like it's not even yes, of course, the guy, the
guy took Jimmy Garoppolo to a super Bowl, he took
Rock Party to Super Bowl. I'm thinking he could do
wonders with Caleb Williams, like I want a known commodity.
It would be amazing. I'd call the Rams and ask
about Sean McVay. Absolutely, I hire an offensive coach, the
most proven one that you can find to develop and
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stabilize for Caleb Williams. However they have to go about
getting that, I'd be all four. The Niner situation is
an interesting one. They still have a ton of talent
on the roster. It's old and brittle and expensive. Like
you said, I don't think it's a disaster. Like I
think if you asked a Vegas odds maker, hey, what
are the preseason Super Bowl favorites for next year? I'd
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be shocked if the Niners were outside of the top
six in terms of preseason odds. We don't know are
they gonna pay debo. We don't know if Trent Williams
is going to come back. But like, they got a
lot of talent still on that team, and they had
a freaky amount of injuries. So I don't know if
he looks at it as dire as you do. I
hope he does, because the Bears have no evidence that
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they can just conduct a search and hire the right trum.
They have no evidence of it. They used a search
firm and had Ernie ACRSI consult them on John Fox.
And then they had a general manager draft Mitch Trubisky
without telling John Fox that that was going to happen,
and then they made John Fox coach Mitch Trubisky. Like
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it's so dysfunctional for so long in that hiring firing,
Like thirty thousand foot view part of the organization that
if Kevin Warren and Ryan Poles the president and GM
go the trade for a coach route, They've never done
it before, so I'm in for it. And then just
one thing to your point, Chicago, I've said this to
you before. It's unified by the Bears. The eighty five
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Bears still have media deals. They still drink for free.
Mike Ditka and I know he was a cult of personality,
but I mean the guy made tens of millions of
dollars from merchandising. I mean he was on ESPN for forever.
He had cigars, he had wine, he had restaurants, he
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had video games, he had everything from being the coach
of the Bears who won the Super Bowl. So it
matters when you win a Super Bowl everywhere, but a
parade in Chicago would be different than a parade in
Los Angeles or Cincinnati. So I would think a lot
of coaches who currently have jobs, not just Ben Johnson
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or Cliff Kingsbury. I would think a lot of coaches.
If the Bears are in the markets trade for a coach,
I think a lot of coaches would call their agent
and say, hey, can I get on that list.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
So one of the things I like about this is
the exploration of different things. So I'll ask you about
UFOs later, but I want to start with this.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
So a lot of times there's certain things I try
to be careful of. Recency bias as a talk show host.
Don't over don't get hyperbolic on something because it happened today,
confirmation bias. Don't like something because I predicted it, and
I think about those two all the time. Don't do that,
don't that's what fans do, and I get it. I'm
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not a fan, right, I'm not paid to be a fan.
The other thing is, don't let singular moments define somebody.
So Matt Ryan in the Super Bowl had a really
bad second half and people now think, you know, he
was never clutch. Well, the truth is he is thirty
eight come from behind fourth quarter wins. He's actually not
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that far off Brady, Montana, Elway and Mahomes as one
of the great come from behind quarterbacks in the last well,
I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
At forever thirty eight. Ever, it's unbelievable. But you see,
I did not know that that's a big number. Aaron Rodgers. Conversely,
because of the Jared Cook completion down the sideline against
the Cowboys and one of the great throws ever, I mean,
it's up there with David Tyree and Eli it's one
of the great playoff throws. Ever, people view him as
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a great comeback quarterback. He's actually dreadful. He's got fewer
than Ryan Tannehill, significantly fewer than Russell Wilson. Matt Ryan
has thirty eight. He has twenty two this year. We've
watched six, five or six times. He's not good.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
He gets very, very tight. And why would this be.
He's so talented And I have a lot of beliefs
on Aaron Rodgers' personality, but generally quarterbacks who are not
good late it's because they get tight. And I think
Aaron has been elevated because of the esthetic appeal. Marino
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had this the aesthetic appeal of how beautiful he threw
the ball. That he's never been a grinder, and he's
kind of an ad libber a little bit. He doesn't
in the offseason. He relies like Marino did on his
esthetic athleticism, the beauty of it. I mean, he literally
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throws the ball and he's not on the ground like
you ever seen those passes where his feet aren't touching
the ground.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
And the truth is the prep quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Brady Matt Ryan was a legendary prep quarterback, Drew Brees, Mahomes,
Russell Wilson. I mean I brought Mike Tomlin saying today
the dude loves football. You can't get Hi out of
the sellet football.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Is that Aaron has been the reason.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
It doesn't make any sense that he'd be great all
the time. He's not a good fourth quarter quarterback. And
I think it's because that is grinder territory. Bo Nicks,
by the way, is already classic grinder, a little smaller
than you want, doesn't have the he's already an outstanding
fourth quarter quarterback. And so there's my take is that
(11:00):
this Aaron Rodgers dot comes out and it's just very
funny how we view him as this legendary late game
quarterback and it's been on display this year with a
dysfunction organization.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
He's actually bad at it. Yeah, so I would be
very interested in actually parsing the data on number of opportunities.
Is it at all possible that Aaron Rodgers has had
fewer opportunities than you would expect because he's so damn
good and his team was always winning.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Russell Wilson and Seattle didn't trail much and he has
thirty percent more.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Okay, yeah, fair enough, Rogers, you and I I definitely
fall for the aesthetic of it. Aaron Rodgers won four MVPs.
Some of Aaron Rodgers's peak until Mahomes came along. I
would always say it was the best I'd ever seen,
and it was better than Brady and it was better
than Manning. Not more accomplished or anything like that, but
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just guy had a forty five touchdown six interception season,
like it was stupid. His ability to be a big
game hunter, hunt for touchdowns, throw the ball down the
field and not turn the ball over like Aaron Rodgers
at his peak of his powers is still about as
good as ever, and I think crazy influential, Like you
mentioned Mahomes, Mahomes is a combination of the two, right,
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Mahomes has the from the pocket Andy Reid extension, brilliant
snap throw, diagnose everything football guy, and then also can
throw a ball horizontal to the ground basically like submarine
style through three dudes and you're like, I don't think
I think a robot made that throw. So Mahomes is stylistically,
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I actually think, very similar to Aaron Rodgers, but he
has this like weird combination of both, which is why
he's the most talented to ever do it. I think
that the explanation with the Jets is simpler than that.
I mean, the guy's old. One guy has been good
at his age ever and it was Tom Brady won
ever and Aaron Rodgers has other interests and the Jets
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are really dysfunctional, and he's coming off of a very
serious injury, and you know, maybe the Jets bring him
back next year, but I wouldn't. If I were them,
I'd eat the forty nine millions, spread it out over
two years, and just be done with the nonsense in
the circus and draft a quarterback and move on and
if they do that, can you name a team that
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would sign him? I said the Raiders. Maybe, yes, like
like the Raiders, maybe intrigue tough division have no shot
to win it. You draft a quarterback, you sign Aaron Rodgers.
You hope that Rogers has the quarterback sit behind him
and has like a Jordan Love situation. Maybe do you
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have an organization that would pay Aaron Rodgers to play
football next year?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
It's funny because Brady now is going to be part
of the Raiders ownership group, so Mark Davis would rely
on Brady's opinion on that, and I don't I'm not
gonna speak for Tom, but I don't think he holds
Aaron in the regard that.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Fandom does.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I think Tom sees a guy that relied heavily on
talent and didn't put Brady's obsessive Peyton Manning Breeze's obsessive
compulsion to work. I think within Brady.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Has to be just disgusted that Aaron Rodgers has other interests.
You hosted Jeopardy, you travel in the off season, you
do experimental drugs. And by the way, that trailer, like
I'll watch the documentary, but that trailer of him saying
I love science or I love silence while being miked
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up and filmed is one of the most unintentionally hilarious
things ever. Like, Buddy, you've got like a camera crew
and a sound guy and you're miked up, but you're
doing a darkness retreat. It's just so he's such a
oh he says enigma, I don't know, or you're just
a pseudo intellectual who loves attention and has a massive ego.
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It's just it's so funny to me.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I want to delve into something that is so I
not that I was late at TikTok, but my wife
fifteen minutes when that stuff came out. She strolls it
every morning. She's got recipes and I mean she's constantly saying,
oh God, I saw this recipe. I gotta try it,
and the dog videos and she'll I'll be playing wordle
and I'll be reading, you know, CNN or the New
York Times, whatever I'm reading, and my wife is just
(15:35):
and she'll read that stuff about she's strolling scrolling, I
mean just threw it. And so I don't know what
it is, and I'm going to suggest to you what
it is. I guess is that over the last three weeks,
I have just had this compulsion to go on TikTok.
And I think it's the UAPs and the UFOs that
(15:58):
I find it hysterical. I do not believe in them.
I never have. With the Hubble telescope and the other telescopes,
if they were out there, we would see him. I'm
not going to trust Clancy in middle of Indiana at
night four, heinekens in to tell me, you know here Aliens.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
So I.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
People say things. They'll say it's incredibly arrogant to think
we're the only people in the galaxy.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I'm not saying that.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I'm saying with the technology we have, I don't think
Merle would spot it. I think our telescopes would, and
that I don't believe any of this stuff, but I
am fascinated when people go to the sky, often in
the flight line of a major airport, and go look
at that, and I'm like, yeah, I live near Lax.
(16:51):
There's forty of those puppies lined up, and the further
they are away, the more they look like UFOs. Now
tell me your stance on UFOs. This I mean on TikTok.
There's now like UFOs today, thousand pictures come up videos.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
It was in the it was in the news in
New Jersey yesterday. Like Carton on breakfast Ball was like,
did you see the UFOs over my house? I was like, no,
I didn't, and he was like, oh yeah, and he
showed me a news clip and you watched the video
and he's like, what do you think that is? I'm like, Buddy,
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I don't know what it is. But I don't think
it's an alien. I don't think it fucked like I don't.
I am not arrogant enough to believe that we're the
only thing in the galaxy. But I'm also not arrogant
enough to believe that I can explain it. And my
cynical nature or distrust of whatever is like it's probably us,
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Like it's it's the government doesn't tell us everything, Like
it's probably us or China. They were a military exercise
of some kind, or you know what I mean. Like,
I don't know what it is. I'm not saying that
people don't see things, and I'm not at all claiming
that we get the full story, but I don't necessarily
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think it's spoke.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
So back before the stealth was created, I worked in Vegas.
I worked in Vegas from like eighty seven to ninety.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Three or something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
So we had a reporter, Dan Burns, and he kept
getting these calls because he did like our aviation beat. Right,
we had a mob beat and aviation beat and a
lot of stuff. And Dan Burns was this great reporter
and he kept getting calls about these triangular shaped lights
people would see. And it was like a two year deal.
And you know, then the Iraq War hit and the
(18:46):
stealth was now part of our national discussion. Right that
nobody we had the word stealth, but stealth Bomber's CNN
when they flew in and under the radar, Well, they
were testing them Area fifty one among other places. So
people weren't crazy. They were seeing things, but they wanted
that to be secret.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
So I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I think our government is first of all.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Drones.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Well, you knew our government was going to create at
some point super drones, like drones that you're not going
to get anywhere else. I mean, you hear about the
government what they want to do with like the bitcoins
and cryptocurrency, and you hear stories from business people, entrepreneurs
about what they wanted to do with AI and the
Biden White House. Regardless of what side you are on
the spectrum, they like to get their arms around stuff,
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fortify it, modify it, and control it. That's what our
government does, probably more than we're comfortable with.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
So I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I tend to think they're experimenting and they want to
see how the public reacts. They want to see how
visible it is. They want to see if they can
hide it from the post. I think this has just
happened my entire life absolutely. I mean Colin, my four
year old, has a drone.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
They have. I mean, drone technology has been around for
a while. It was a big part of the Obama
presidency certainly, and now like you can buy one for
forty bucks. So I think there's a bunch of stuff
that the couple, what is it trillion dollar defense budget.
My guess is they got some pretty cool toys like that.
(20:24):
Occasionally Merle or Clancy or whatever sees and they're just
not gonna tell us what it is. But I also
think we want to believe stuff and media works for
a reason, and movies make hundreds of millions of dollars
for a reasoning. Independence Day is a hell of a watch,
(20:45):
Like it's a great movie, you know, Alien Versus Predator.
There's a reason why it's a franchise. It's it's it's
a fun story. We don't want to believe that I
got a mortgage and life and a couple of kids,
and if you're lucky, you get eighty years and then
you go into the ground and there's nothing before us,
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and there's nothing after us. And you know what I mean.
We want to believe in extra cool stuff. And there's
a reason why Twilight and Stranger Things and Harry Potter
and Lord of the Rings and all that stuff is
so popular. It's fun to believe in things that are
overwhelmingly likely not real. We just are. We're easy, we are.
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I don't blame people for believing in it. I guess
this is my point, because we are fed so much
stuff to make it seem like like Game of Thrones,
that dragon looks real. I'm sorry, I don't know what
a real dragon is, but I'm like it looked real.
We get we get inundated with a bunch of fantasy
in a way where I understand why people want to
believe in stuff.
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Speaker 2 (23:19):
I know you have a great affection for baseball, and
my first job out of college was a triple A
baseball announcer, so I wanted to be a baseball announcer.
And then the world changed and I football and gambling
in Vegas and whatever. So but I do think baseball.
I'll start with this premise that baseball is going to
go through a really good decade. The regional sports networks
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have died since Fox sold them, and the bottom has
fallen out of the sport. The bottom ten to twelve
payrolls now needed that money, and it's dried up fast,
and so the gap between the haves and the have
nots between the Dodgers, Yankees, Astros, Mets, Padres and the
rest of baseball has gotten white. And it actually helps
baseball because where baseball drives its revenue a large degree
(24:06):
of its television And if you can combine teams that
become the Warriors with KD Star driven Philadelphia, New York,
New York, Los Angeles, Houston, Atlanta, it actually works for
this sport. There's always been a competitive advantage. When the
YES network first exploded and other entities weren't making that money.
The Yankees dominated the Hot Stove League for fifteen years
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and now it's some other teams and the Yankees. So
I think the best players are on the biggest brands
and in the biggest market, and it helps. Conversely, NBA
ants and Minnesota. Wemby's in San Antonio, Jokich is in Denver, Jannis, Milwaukee.
You know, Jalen Brunson's a nice piece. But in the end,
with Lebron and Steph Curry aging, there's a markets matter
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except for the NFL. So with that premise, baseball is
in a good spot. So nobody likes their commissioner. Rob
Manfred has stepped in it a few times. Danny, but
he has been aggressive enough and his last two moves
have absolutely worked, removing the defensive shift and the pitch clock.
Attendance and ratings have benefited. So the golden at bat
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is being suggested. And obviously I've said this, I'm not
sure if I've said it before, but baseball purists are
a lot like the Quakers of religion. They're diminishing in numbers.
Over my lifetime, we were all exhausted by their purity.
And baseball purists very much are, you know, the sanctity
of the game. But television now is the primary provider
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of revenue, and they want more stars and they want
faster games. And I got to tell you seeing Bryce
Harper for the second time in twelve minutes instead of
the dugout is not a terrible thing. Now, you're more
purest than I am. After my rant here, but I
see the upside to it.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
No, I do too. So Okay, there was a lot
there and it was really good. Let's start with the
golden at bat and then we could work backwards. I
like it. I don't know that it'll work. I don't
know that it'll get passed, but my basic premise is
I like sports and leagues who try stuff. When the
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NFC Championship game with the Saints happened and there was
the terrible pass interference penalty, and they made past interference
reviewable for the next year, I said at the time
that that was going to backfire. I was like, that's
not a good idea making penalties reviewable, But I understood
the thought process behind it. They did a trial for
a year. It was a disaster. They went back on it,
but I applauded them for trying it, even if I
(26:45):
thought it wasn't going to work. The nd season tournament,
we'll see how big of a deal it becomes. But
I like that they tried it the pitch clock, as
you mentioned, they finally tried it. Theo Epstein got really involved,
made a bunch of recommendations. He backed it data. He
tried stuff in the Fall League and the miners and
independent ball, and they worked it up and they're trying
it and the rule changes are working. Trying stuff is
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a good idea, So I like the premise of it.
I like thinking outside the box. I don't particularly care
about the purists. And then I had our researcher at
breakfast Ball Troy, He's excellent. Look into the data on it,
and just to use the Dodgers and the Yankees, the
teams that were in the World Series with the biggest stars.
If you said eighth inning or later, tieder, one run,
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game runner in scoring position, the Dodgers had that circumstance
happen one hundred and thirty eight times this past season.
Otani came up to the plate twenty times. It's not
enough when you compare it to Mahomes down six balls
in his hand, last two minutes, Lebron's got the ball
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in his hands. Aaron Judge came up in that spot
eight times all year. Loan Soto came up ten times
all year. So your biggest stars, your best players, did
not come up in the biggest moments all year long,
nearly enough. So that is a problem that is worth solving.
I have no idea if the baseball illuminati will go
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for it, but I love the creativity. Here's a prediction
for you, and you're more sourced than I am. You
know all the head honchos and more owners and all
of that. But let's just call this an informed one.
I think the next CBA in baseball is going to
be ugly. The last couple have been because of the
collapse of the RSN model and how much of the
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revenue is localized. Right, the Dodgers got the last great deal,
so they have more money than everybody else. And then
the vanity owners, the Steve Cohens of the world, the
Yankees of the world. They can outspend everybody. The Cubs
have a network, but they launched it late, so they
don't make as much money from it as they would
have if they would have launched it in twenty eleven,
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twenty twelve, twenty thirteen. I think we've got the best
chance that we've ever had in the history of the
sport to come out of the next labor negotiation. And
it might be ugly. We might miss some games, we
might miss the spring training. We'll see how ugly it gets.
I think we might get a cap and a floor.
I think there's a real chance that enough billionaires that
(29:18):
are in smaller markets are going to say, guys, I
understand we want stars in big markets, but we can't
compete with no local media. Deal Like the Fox money
is great, that the ESPN money is great, but if
you guys are making the if the Dodgers are making
(29:38):
hundreds of millions of dollars basically a year from their deal,
and the Twins and the Diamondbacks and the Brewers and
the Pirates, and a third of the league at this
point has their local media literally owned by MLB. The
people that own those teams are still billionaires, and their
friends are if they're friends with the billionaire who own
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the rich teams with the good media deals. And the
players I think are going to go through You know,
Corbyn Burns will get paid, Soda will get paid. But
I think we're going to go through enough free agent
cycles where enough players are going to realize that the
Dodgers can't sign everybody, they only can play one right fielder,
they only can play one shortstop, that they are finally
(30:22):
going to acquiesce and say, okay, it's in our benefit
if the Pirates have to spend more and the Dodgers
have to spend a little bit less, and then it
will distribute the stars a little bit more evenly, which
will go against your first point. But a cap and
a floor, I think is a real chance to come
to baseball in the next five years.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah, I think you're paying attention to it. And of
course working at Fox, both of us now know about
the regional sports networks the RSNS. It is it is
one of the great exits in the history of business.
Those were worth half as much an hour after the
Murdoch sold them, and ninety percent less two hours after
(31:02):
they sold them. It was yeah, they and it was
a two billion, three billion dollar a year revenue for Fox.
But the problem being there were about four major markets
in the offing looking for new renegotiations and deals, and
the profits we're going to diminish. And uh yeah, that's
really really hurt the Kansas Cities, the Pittsburgh's, the Seattles.
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It's highly punitive. They just can't for they can't even
get in the running on sometime second tier players, forget
Soto and Otani.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah, and again, like, the Cubs are a big market
team that make a killing. That attendance and in stadium
revenue matters in baseball more than any of the other sports.
And it's not close because they have so many. Right,
You've got eighty one home games. So the Cubs are
a big market team who do very well. But again,
they launched the marketing network late. I'm not speaking out
(31:56):
of school. This is well documented. They would admit to it,
and so you would think broadcasting one hundred and fifty
Cubs games a year would be great business. It's good business,
but it's not great. But it's not close to what
the Dodgers get because of when they launched it, because
the cable companies are not doing it in the same
way that they are not They're not willing to pay
(32:17):
for it in cord cutting and all the reasons that
are impacting the media landscape. So it's the inequity I
think has grown. You're right, it puts stars in big markets,
and in theory that is good. But there's too many
billionaires that own too many teams that don't have that
deal that you don't want them to get out of
the baseball business and not want to own the Twins
(32:38):
or the Diamondbacks or the Pirates or the Brewers. So
I think there's going to be a mechanism to level
the playing field through the next CBA. I really do
the as we do what we do for a living.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yeah, I've never been a really envious person, but as
I've aged, there are some things in our business that
feel like sometimes minutia, like doing shows, in July. In
the last year, for the first time, I took like
three weeks off in July. I said, guys, it's it's.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
By the way, thank you because I hosted for you
July eighth and ninth, and I think it changed my life,
so so please do that again.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
So the reason July and August have gotten less interesting
are cultural changes. I believe Sean McVay said I'm not
playing any of my good players in the preseason, and
everybody said, you're nuts.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
You'll start off oh.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
To eight and he started eight and oh, and then
everybody went, I think he's got it. And so now
the preseason is utterly charmless. There is nothing interesting about
it at all. Therefore, those three to four weeks and
they've shortened it from four to three weeks, will probably
be shortened to two weeks, and August is dead. It's
regular season baseball. A lot of the you know, as
(33:57):
the gap between the good and the terrible and Made
League Baseball widens, the races are settled, you know, the
good teams are resting pitchers and you know, so it's
a little minutia. So sometimes I think the audience thinks
we do things just for ratings. Of course we do right.
Ratings and revenue drive our entire existence. But I was
(34:20):
I was sitting there day and I was thinking about
the cyclical nature. And I took a calendar out, and
I thought, here are the busy times, here are the
slow times. And I found, like six weeks. If I
could ideally take six weeks off a year, six to eight, here.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Where they were.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
And one of the things that was interesting is that
in my lifetime only one sport has been created, UFC
that literally becomes part of my life. I'm now watching UFC.
I watched college pro, NBA, March Madness golf tournament's tennis,
I watched all that stuff. Now soccer is more popular.
(34:54):
But I was watching the United States men's and women's
national teams twenty five years ago.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I didn't care.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Sof is now the one created sport. A lot of
it's just the force of nature, force of personality of
Dana White, like renting an island during COVID, just it
really sums up who he is. But I was sitting
there and I said, you know what, Caitlin Clark and
Angel Reese has a magic bird feel to it. And
(35:20):
I said, I talked about it ten times this year,
and I monitor my ratings and the ratings people dug it.
It was often my first or second highest rented segment,
and I said, I think it's going to become I
never thought this in a million years. Hell, the teams
don't make any money WNBA. But I'm like, well, do
I have to cover the league? No, I'm going to
(35:41):
cover Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese. I don't cover boxing,
but about three times a year there's a fight in
the seventies, eighties, and nineties and you'd say, Okay, here's
Ali Foreman. We would before I got into this business,
and I know a lot of people will push back
and go that's very PC. But outside of UFC, I
am convinced that Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese will be
(36:03):
a decade long potential story as long as both teams
are viable.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Is that a reach? Is that recency bias? No? I
don't think so. Listen. One of the all time great
Colin Cowhard analogies is that you're in the omelet business,
not the egg business. I love that line. I think
it's so good. You're like, my job isn't to make
you interesting? I talk about you when you become interesting.
I loved that line from you, And so they are interesting.
(36:31):
The data supports it, and it has a lot of things. Listen, frankly,
some of it's ugly, right, There's there's racial components, there's
sexism components. Like some of the stuff that came back
on it was pretty ugly. But at its core, I
always say rivalries are awesome. Yeah, rivalry. That's why Steelers
(36:54):
Ravens gets you your juices flowing a little bit, Bears, Packers, Yankees,
Read Cubs, Cardinals, Celtics, Lakers. We like it. We like
rivalries because I want less hate in the world and
more Hayen sports, and so like a healthy amount of
hate is okay to me. Like I don't want there
to be riots, but I wasn't like clutching my pearls
(37:17):
over flag planting, you know. I'm like, it's kind of funny,
Like it's kind of funny that a two win team
plants a flag at midfield and then they push a
show and it goes the other way. When you're pepper
spraying college kids, I'm like, that's ridiculous. And I understand
that I'm flirting in a gray area there on advocating something,
and then when it gets too far, I'm like, well
that's too far. Sorry, call me a hypocrite. I like
(37:38):
a little bit of trash talk in my sports. I'm
gonna do something on Breakfast Ball tomorrow. I don't think
taunting should be a penalty in the NFL on sportsmanlike conduct.
If you punch a guy, you spit any guy's face, fine,
unnecessary roughness, the same thing, delay a game, same thing taunting.
Let them trash talk and figure it out. I'm cool
with it. I'll make the case tomorrow on the show.
That's a meandering way to get to rights are awesome
(38:01):
and star power, celebrity h it dates back to college familiarity.
We know it. And then there's also this, and you
could speak to this. You've been in the game longer
than I have. People like to be a part of
something that is growing, right, Like the World Series, the
(38:23):
number was big, it was as good as it could
have been. Yankees and Dodgers, Otani, Judge, Sodo, et cetera.
But like if baseball got that number thirty years ago,
they would have been appalled. And so like the general
trend of baseball is down in terms of ratings from
(38:43):
where it was, the WNBA, the era is going up.
People like growth stories, Right, how many companies have you
invested in or talked to their CEOs out there in
California where it's like, we don't even need to show profit,
we just need to show that we're growth and more
you and all of that stuff. So I think that's
the netflicks for years, for almost all of them, for years.
(39:07):
You know, like the line in David Fincher's The Social Network, like,
don't you're throwing a cool party? You know a million
dollars isn't cool? You know it is a billion dollars,
Like don't don't take an ad when you got on
one hundred college campuses. Wait until you're in one hundred
countries and then do it right, like lose money, keep
getting your funding, and then cash in big at the end.
(39:29):
So I don't know how big the WNBA can get,
That's right, I don't. Like I do have some skepticism
on how big it can get as as a whole
league teams. Caitlin Clark not rooting for it, obviously, but
like say she tears her ACL in the second week
(39:50):
of the season. I think that'd be real bad for
interest for the sport for that season, right. I think
it's carried by a very few pockets of stars right now.
But will it be more popular in five years than
it is today? Yes, Like it is clearly a growth enterprise,
and I think that that is also a really popular phenomenon.
(40:13):
Like people like to be a part of something early
in on the grounds or I knew this band before
they got on the test feel smart? Yes, Oh when
when did you sign up for Blue Sky? Like you
know what I mean, Like it's happening right now. We'll
see maybe Blue Sky will be a huge thing in
two years, maybe it will be like what was Blue
Sky again? But so I don't know where it ends
(40:34):
for the WNBA, but I am absolutely positive Caitlin Clark
will be a story ten years from now. She will
bring the league with her. And that is good business
because it's growth. Even if Yankees Dodgers outrates the WNBA championship,
like it's just one's going up the others going down.
(40:56):
So therefore it it is seen as a cooler thing
to be a part of.
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to talk about Blue Sky and I want to talk
about the media in general. I'm not going to join
Blue Sky because you can't transfer your followers. There's what
they call a bridge that can help it. But people
are too busy to worry about my bridge and my followers.
So if I could transfer all my followers, I don't
even know if I would do it then, but I can't,
and I have almost two million. So I'm okay with
(42:37):
I'm okay with X. But it's a bigger picture is
that you know a lot of people on the left
post election, I'm out of here, and my take is, well,
that's kind of precious and a bit convenient. Is that
the truth is and Ethan Strauss discussed this recently in
(42:57):
a column on Substackbody gets treated like shit on X.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
That's you got it.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Pretty girls, ugly boys, everybody. I mean, nobody's happy because people,
most people don't have power, and anonymously we all have
more power, and a lot of people who are miserable
and lonely, this is their time to flex, so let
them just don't read it. But it's interesting. I think
there's a responsibility to some degree. We're all somewhat, you know,
(43:27):
responsible for our happiness. I tell my daughter, don't wake
up looking for happiness. Have have things to do, follow
your passions and what you're good at, you'll find happiness right,
Like happiness will come to you if you just wake up.
It's like grabbing a rainbow. I'm gonna wake up and
find happiness. There's nothing to grab. You have to see
(43:50):
other things that make you happy. That's happiness.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
And it really was.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
What's interesting about a lot of Hollywood and the left
moving to blue Sky. It's like you just lost an
election and there's an argument to be made the primary
reason was you were a bit out of touch with
regular people. Well, a lot of regular people get a
flex on X, and when you lost, they did. And
(44:16):
you're saying I don't want to deal with you, and
to me, I'm like, guys, you would have stayed if
you want, stay if you lose, stay connected to people,
even if they can be angry and occasionally vile.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Is one of the.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Reasons I stay on X is to allow people to
take shots at me, to allow people to whack emle
me because I'm wrong, And if I'm wrong, I don't
have to read it, I commute it. But I do
think the one of the forms of hypocrisy that really
bothers me about the media is we criticize for a
(44:53):
living and we can't take it.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Oh, Yeah, I hate that about us. Yeah that the
last part of what you just said. I could not
rubber stamp my agreement went on more people, It's amazing
what we get to do for a living. And like
(45:17):
the fact that, like if we get a wrong opinion
thrown in our face and then people get defensive about
it in our industry, I'm like, are you nuts? Like
we don't get fired for being wrong, Like Matt Eberflus
just got fired, you know what I mean, Like, like
he's got to sell his house and move now, he'll
be fine. I'm not asking you to like play a
(45:38):
violin for the guy made millions and millions of dollars.
He'll be fine. But still, like there were consequences for
him not being good, Like they're not consequences for me
being wrong about a prediction about the Philadelphia Eagles, like
be entertaining, own up to it, keep it moving, come
back the next day. So I'm with you media people who,
(45:58):
especially in the opinions, who cannot deal with criticism. I
think it's crazy. Now, obviously there are lines that should
not be crossed, racial slurs, threats. Obviously, people of color
get it worse. Women get it worse. This is all documented.
I remember once it's like there was a study like
negative feedback outweighs positive feedback by like thirty to one.
(46:19):
You don't call your cable company and said cable's working great,
Like you call when there's a problem, So the discourse
of the feedback is going to skew negative. So that's
all of that part. The other thing about the thing
about Blue Sky is like, so I squatted on a username.
I haven't posted once. I don't do anything. I'm just like,
in case this becomes big, I don't want anyone else
(46:40):
to be Danny Parkins on Blue Sky. I have my username,
and I'm going to be in this at this point
longer than you are, right just by eight. So I'm
just trying to like, I don't know where it's all
going to go, but I'm trying to be prepared for
where it does. My thought on the liberal move to
Blue Sky was I understan stood the desire to like
(47:03):
form your own team and like consolidate your own team,
but like it's a it's not like a conservative can't
sign up for Blue Sky. There's no pre rest, So
who's to say it's not going to turn into the
exact same thing and who's And by the way, I'm
not at all saying that the only people that are
negative were nasty on X are conservative. That is not
what I'm saying. But like, if lu Ski gets big,
(47:25):
a lot of people with diverse opinions and backgrounds and
actions and intentions are going to be on it. And
then the other thing is, aren't we bubbled and siloed enough?
That was my big thing about it. We all are
in our own feedback loop already, we all already have
our own algorithms, and like, yeah, the for utab is
clearly being influenced by the lunatic who bought X. But
(47:49):
like my Instagram reels when I search how to cast
iron or ribi, I then get way more Instagram reels
about steak like they're not They're not made from nothing,
And so I agree, like leaving the place where the
biggest public discourse on the Internet happens because you were
(48:11):
upset with the result, didn't feel like it would solve
a problem. It felt like it would make you feel better,
as opposed to working towards solving a problem. So if
you want to do it to feel better, fine, But
I also I don't really believe that most of these
people are like gone for good. We're addicted to these things. Yeah,
we are just addicted to them. I've checked my phone
(48:33):
twice since this interview started. Like it's hard, it's hard
to put it down, you know, not interview conversation, but
like it's just so I'm very skeptical of like Blue Sky,
like long term us feeling like we are just oh,
we just found a new one. People they'll be they'll
be on X, and if it gets big and replaces X,
then it will have the same problems that X hads. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
No, I the silo comments interesting because I joke with
my wife, she just every time I start this conversation,
like once a year, she said, stop it. I'll say
to her, I get free parking in Los Angeles and
a free smoothie every day at Fox. I did the
math on that. That's seventy two hundred dollars a year,
and she's like, I know what you make. That's the
(49:18):
dumbest thing I've heard. And I've said I always say
to her, do you understand if I stayed at a
company for twenty years, the value of free parking and
free smoothies and oat field and coffee at a company
and she and she said, I said, who gets that?
And I often think about that little thing. By the way,
I get my haircut for free haircut, smoothie, coffee, parking.
(49:44):
That sounds ridiculous. Do you know how many people, if
you could sign up for that in a city, would
literally fight over it?
Speaker 1 (49:52):
And I do.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
And I guess my point with my wife is I'm
never going to allow those to be forgotten. If people
got free parking in Chicago, they'd be like, honey, I
just got free parking in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
The greatest thing ever. Yeah. When I felt when I
filled in for you and they delivered that smoothie to
the dressing room, I was like. I texted my wife.
I was like, I think it's smoothie. They asked for
my smoothie order and then it showed up. It was amazing.
We don't get we don't get free smoothies. By the way,
and Fox Sports one in New York, I I've asked,
we don't, we don't, we don't get free smoothies. You
(50:26):
gotta you gotta put in a good word for me
out here. I need the free smoothie treatment from the
LA offices.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Well, that silo comment's real because I tell my wife
it's easy to forget the stuff I get every day
a staff like it's just something that most people would
fight over. A parking space in a major city could
be four thousand dollars a year for parking.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
Oh oh yeah, don't think that everybody who works on
breakfast ball like that drives in producers or what. It's
a huge thing for them, right, It's like very expensive
to park in New York City. And yeah, like we're
not on the Fox lot. But again, obviously I'm not complaining.
The jobs amazing and the perks are amazing, but yeah,
(51:09):
it's good to have perspective outside of your bubble. And
you made it about smoothies and free parking. But I
would also say, like there are very few people. There
are a couple. I'll admit that. I'm like, I just
want to mute you because I don't want to see
(51:30):
like your intentionally divisive, mean spirited, racist, hateful rhetoric come
into my timeline because it just there's there's just negative
ROI on it, right, like for mental health happiness, I'll
go down a rabbit hole. It'll make me upset and
now I'm just angry, So like that was just I've
(51:51):
definitely done that with some people. Yeah, but I do
try to understand people who disagree with me. I do
to read sites and people and feeds and interact with
things that like challenge my worldview because it's a big,
messy diverse country and a big messy, diverse, diverse world.
(52:14):
Like if you only consume all the stuff that you
already agree with, like, what's the point. Yeah, you know
what I mean, Like, I want to learn, I want
to understand. I want to hold the same one some
gaps like it. It. I don't believe that, like people
who disagree with me are like bad people inherently. I
think some of them are, and some are at least
motivated by some bad stuff. But like, generally speaking, people
(52:37):
want to be healthy, provide for their family, have happy,
healthy kids, and like get along with their neighbors. So
it's like, okay, let's try to understand each other and
meet in the middle somewhere. So that's how I try
to operate. But some people, Man, you got to mute,
you got to have a site about your day. Yeah no, no,
I know you do. I know you do. And we're
we're meandering here. This is a very abstract conversation. But
(53:00):
I like apps. That's why podcasts work. No, that's true,
that's true. I just I don't know how much deconstruction
of the election you've done as to like why it
went the way that it did.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
Oh no, no, no, no, I believe me. I so
I'll throw this at you. When an election happens. Every
four years, of federal election, I go to the losing
team because all winners act the same, cocky, condescending told.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
You we were right.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Yeah, I go to the losing side. So when Trump lost,
I went to Fox News for three weeks. I don't
watch a lot of cable politics outside of like election
day or midterm day, So I went to Fox. So
I went to MSNBC for three weeks. And I told
a friend, I said, I don't think ms MSNBC has bathrooms,
(53:47):
because nobody there is looking in the mirror. It's like
a real problem. First it was racism, and I'm like, no,
Obama had two terms, could have one a third. Then
it was misogyny. No, Hillary Clinton won the popular election.
And what I found on MSNBC, and again I don't
I'm not taking sides here. I don't watch a lot
of either of this stuff. I think Steve Karneck he's
very good an election night, and so I leaned toward him.
(54:09):
But by and large I don't care. Even though I
work for Fox, I tend to be a moderate, socially left,
fiscally right. But what I did find is there is
there's an inability by both sides when they lose, to
discover why they lost. And I'll I'll and I'll give
(54:29):
you that's that's my first take is it's I'll give
you an example, a sports example about the election. So
every weekend in the NFL there's three blowouts. Does that
mean there's three great teams?
Speaker 1 (54:40):
No, definitely, No.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
It means there's lots of crappy teams. There's a lot
of average politicians, average candidates, average teams, average coaches. There's
almost no great college football this year. One hundred and
thirty Division one teams. There's no great team, not one.
Tennis any one point. Federi Jokovic, Nadal in the whole
world regreats a lot of goods. Serena, you know Martina
(55:03):
in her prime, that was one of two. Right. So
my take on the election was if you go back
to Reagan winning and he had like a record turnout
record support. Why because Jimmy Carter was one of our
weakest presidents and Mondale when he ran against him, was
(55:24):
a really, really weak candidate, and Reagan was charismatic. So
it was as much about Reagan, whose first three years
in office were not profound. He struggled right, it took
him a while, but it was about a charismatic personality
who had been an actor and really weak opposition Trump.
(55:44):
And it's as the total votes have come in, it's
not the mandate we many people subscribe to. But cop
think about this with Kamalo, even in California, never heard
of her until the twenty nineteen primaries, of which he
had no coalition, didn't get me votes, and because of
the emergence of TikTok and Biden's decline, he dominated the
(56:08):
news cycle for three and a half years. She was invisible.
They gave her the border. I'm not sure she went
to it. She was invisible. Then Biden stubbornly was kicked
to the curb very late in the process. She came
in and for three to four weeks the primary issue
was where'd she go? So Trump has the biggest personal.
Speaker 1 (56:31):
Brand in America. As a human being.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
She was largely invisible as a vice president, as they're
prone to be, but the age and TikTok, Instagram, I mean,
Biden was everywhere. And so this came down to she
wasn't a terribly strong candidate and he had charisma and
a brand. Even in high school elections, the popular good
(56:54):
looking or the popular funny kid wins, right, And so
they gave her the border.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
That was it. She didn't do a good job with
the border.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
That was the vice president's get one one thing to
put their arms around.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
She kind of butchered that.
Speaker 2 (57:08):
So to me, yeah, instead of being MSNBC just acknowledging
she wasn't a great candidate, He's a big brand with
a lot of bluster. Instead, it was these branches of
the tree. And I'm like, oh, this is painful. That
was my long winded take.
Speaker 1 (57:26):
Yeah. I think that the you know, anyone who says
they know exactly what happened right after an election is wrong, right, Like,
there's one hundred and fifty million votes, people, genders, races,
income classes, they're not monoliths. They don't only vote for
one reason. People generalize it. You've got to actually like
crunch the numbers and the data and like come to conclusions.
(57:46):
It takes time. I listened to the uh Podsave America
podcast with the Kamala campaign manager and like a couple
of advisors, and it was just infuriating. It. It was
just they were just complimenting themselves on how great they
did and how Cask was and listen, maybe it was impossible.
(58:10):
Maybe Trump was too big of a brand, people were
feeling inflation too much, Biden was too unpopular, and it
was one hundred and seven days and she was a
vice president for an unpopular president in a tough economy,
and maybe maybe it was impossible. Maybe it was impossible
for her to win in that timing, in that circumstance.
But God, did they have a lot of like, well,
we had to do this, and we ran this, and
(58:32):
we raised the record amount of this, and we had
to define this and we got on this and we
couldn't do everything, and we tried to do this and
it was because of this and we did. I was like,
do you not have thumbs? Can you point a thumb?
Can anyone point a thumb? I was just pointing fingers
and it's just like excuses and we did this, and
I was so proud of this, and they were so
good at this. I was like, you weren't great because
(58:54):
you didn't flip a single county. Stop telling me how
great you did. Just take some acountability, take your loss,
learn from it and right and move on. And so,
you know, I hope they do. I don't think it's
as doom and gloom as everybody else seems. I never know.
Speaker 2 (59:14):
It's very cyclical. It'll go back and forth, back and forth.
The Reagan example is probably the most famous one, right,
like forty nine states, like it's it so yeah, but man,
just a little bit more accountability would be nice, Yes,
a little bit more, a little bit more accountability would
be nice. Yeah, But I do think it's much more
(59:35):
fascinating to watch the losing side try to discover their issues.
And it's fascinating to me how infrequently and how long
it takes and how infrequently they do. And James Carville
and Bill Maher I think, have been closer to the
reality of it. But it was just a lot of
(59:55):
race and misogyny, and it's like guys mirrors look in them.
Stop blaming the voters look.
Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
In the mirror. I think there's a lot of that.
And by the way, that's the thing that's true in
sports too. The most interesting story is often in the
losing locker room. Who blew it, who choked? Who's getting
traded because of this, who's getting cut because of this,
who's getting fired because of this? Like there's there's more.
There are often more interesting stories and lessons to be
(01:00:24):
learned from the losing side of a story.
Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
I think almost olways. In fact, when I do my
show in the morning, I try not to be negative.
So this morning I led with the twelve team college bracket, uh,
kind of defending the committee, being positive, defending the committee
Alabama choice. And then I went to the idea, which
is kind of uplifting if you're a Bears fan, that
let's go for it and get Kyle Shanahan. But I've
(01:00:50):
had days. I had a day about two weeks ago,
or the first four stories. It was a Monday, and
I was like, God.
Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
I'm just hurping.
Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
And I remember like taking two of my stories early
and just put them in the last hour. I'm like, God,
I'm wearing me out. After these first three stories.
Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
I don't think we do. But I think that's actually
a good sports media criticism. Like I think that I
think that people have like gotten tired of the Chiefs
on some level, like they're very popular, Like the data
doesn't say that, but I'm saying, like it's almost becoming vogue,
and they're playing close games. They're not as dominant this year,
like on field questions and criticisms of close games against
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Vegas and Carolina and all that is totally doubt. I'm
not saying it's not, but we should strive to and
I try to and continue to try to. And we're
sixty eight shows in or whatever we are into breakfast Ball,
so hopefully I've got a long road ahead of me
to like back up these words with actions. But like
it's fun to appreciate stuff and be like how cool
(01:01:51):
was that? How great of a play was that? Like
we are watching You're like Daniel Jones sucks, like I guess,
but he's actually awesome, Like he sucks compared to Patrick Mahomes.
I don't want to be my team's quarterback, but if
you if he was the Syracuse football quarterback next week,
they'd go on a run, they'd win a bunch of games.
(01:02:14):
So I do think there's a little bit more room too.
It's easy to talk about what's wrong with Phil and
the blank team as opposed to making it interesting of
why the Lions are crushing everybody, Like we just as
a collective, I think we should try our best to
(01:02:35):
like appreciate sports and celebrate them. Not that you can't
be negative, not that you can't take an ax to
something or call for a firing. It's all fine and good.
These guys get paid a bunch of money. It's it's
the opinion business you should be But it's just a
It's a good, healthy thing to remember that, Like we
should celebrate the champions. I get on Stinking Carton Like,
I'm like you guys just like you hate greatness. We're
(01:02:57):
rooting against the Chiefs, Like are you crazy? Like Andy Reid,
Patrick Mahomes track, these guys are unlikable in some way. No,
they're awesome. They're historic. Like we've never seen a three
pet You don't want to see it? Why I want
to see it. I want to see the three. I
want to see the greatness that I've never seen before.
I'm not tired of it yet.
Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
The only thing that pushes back on that for me
is I feel bad for Buffalo. I'd like to see
Buffalo win one. Had Buffalo won before Kansas City went
on this run, I'd love to see a three peace.
Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
But listen, I I called Josh Allen MVP before the year.
I said he was the second best player in football
before the year, and I picked him to win the
division before the year when few people did, like I
think he is. It is so I think I said
this on your pond a few visits ago, like he
is so very clearly the closest thing to Mahomes. And
that's not like a one year sample the eighteen interceptions
(01:03:50):
last year to not change my pinion, like going back
to twenty twenty two. Now, it is very clear to
me that it is Mahomes one, Allen two, and so
he will get one. I will root for the three
peat this year. But part of that is also my
mom's family's from Kansas City. I worked there, I was
there when they hired Andy Reid, So part of that
is like a personal tie and bias and Chiefs fans
and Arrowhead and all of that. So yeah, Josh Allen,
(01:04:13):
Buffalo and those fans that would also be an excellent story.
Obviously the Lions would be an excellent story. But I'm
not tired of the greatness yet. From the chiefs. I
liked Tiger, I liked Michael Jordan. You know, Brady did
get a little ridiculous to me. I will admit that
it's like the one because it was just it's like, dude,
(01:04:34):
you're winning when you're in your forties.
Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Well, I even had Lebron and Brady fatigue.
Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Two decades is a little much, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
But Tiger Tiger's ten years go back in YouTube. Tiger
at the US Open Pebble Beach. You could watch the
entire final round if you had three hours. It's insane.
Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
My listen, my dad didn't golf, and I love golf
because of Tiger Woods. Like I'm of that age, right,
Like I'm born in eighty six, so I'm eleven years
old in ninety seven when he wins the Masters, like
he was, Like, it was a phenomenon. It was Michael Jordan,
it was It was incredibly influential to watch that level
of greatness. Like Caitlin Clark is creating women's basketball fans,
(01:05:19):
like Tiger Woods created golf fans. There's cult of personality,
figures in that level of dominance that I'll always be that,
I'll always be Bones Jones. I hadn't bought UFC Fights
in a while. I love the UFC Bones Jones Fights.
I buy the card one hundred percent. Like there's like
I am attracted to greatness almost universally.
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I only get to see Danny Parkins because of our
active schedules for about once a month for about an hour.
So it's always fun for me. Danny course on breakfast Ball,
big radio star in Chicago that we scooped up at
FS one. So, and I want you to think about
this for a second. There are things, especially in sports,
that I noticed because we're both in this business, that
(01:27):
you wonder why they haven't taken place sooner and then
over the course of time, Like if you really think
about analytics, why did it take so long for NBA
gms to figure out math? It's like, this was like,
it's what happened? Did a slide ruler fall into a
(01:48):
GM's office and he had doodling one day with time?
It's so, here's one of them. I believe exits the
smartest pece I've met. Did not always go to great
schools or have great childhoods. In fact, I would argue,
if there's a certain jet fuel to chaos as a
child that propels you to aspirational life, right and sure,
(02:16):
at any one time in the history of the NFL,
there's about five rockstar coaches, and right now it's you know,
Sean Payton took Chernobyl and two years later they're going
to make the playoffs. With a rookie quarterback, and you
know dead cap Hell, Jim Harbaugh, Andy Reid. You know
(02:36):
there's a handful. I think McVeigh and Shanahan fall into
that group. And Pro Football Talks suggested the Bear should
call Kyle Shanahan, and I'm just gonna throw this out
exens So Kyle Shanahan is smart. He has a losing
record in San Francisco as a head coach without Christian McCaffrey,
who is now into the twilight of his career, Hurtle
(03:00):
in Carolina, more so in San Francisco, he is staring
down the barrel of signing Brock pretty injured for the
second time, to a big deal. It is an old, expensive,
brittle roster and he has the least talented quarterback and
here are the Bears good roster. He'd get power quarterbacks
(03:22):
free for four years. He's got weapons, actually a decent back,
and it's a restart. And you'd say to yourself why,
because just like San Francisco, San Francisco was a dead
franchise held the Warriors were a dead franchise for years.
But the minute they got good people are like oh
(03:44):
Rick Barry, Chris Mullen, certain franchises are dead. The New
York Giants are. The Bears feel like they are. But again,
the Warriors were, the Niners were. Chicago is a massive
football brand and to be the savior of it in
an offensive era, I said this today, I would absolutely say,
(04:08):
here's three first round picks.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
We got our cornerback.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I don't need that. Here we go Kyle Shanahan. I
think staring down the barrel of Christian McCaffrey's age, brock
pretty getting the bag an old, expensive roster with a
lot of debo, and I you questions, I think he
takes the call. Am I nuts?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
No, you're not nuts, But I mean he you don't
really trade with him, right, like the Niners trade? Yeah?
So like that do the not because Kyle Shanahan maybe
is interested in the exit, but are the Niners interested
in it? Like I would absolutely say the Bears get
the twelfth pick in the draft. Of course I would
(04:52):
trade the twelfth pick in the draft for Kyle Shanahan.
Like it's not even yes, of course, the guy, the
guy took Jimmy Garoppolo to a super Bowl, he took
Rock Party to Super Bowl. I'm thinking he could do
wonders with Caleb Williams, like I want a known commodity.
It would be amazing. I'd call the Rams and ask
about Sean McVay. Absolutely, I hire an offensive coach, the
most proven one that you can find to develop and
(05:15):
stabilize for Caleb Williams. However they have to go about
getting that, I'd be all four. The Niner situation is
an interesting one. They still have a ton of talent
on the roster. It's old and brittle and expensive. Like
you said, I don't think it's a disaster. Like I
think if you asked a Vegas odds maker, hey, what
are the preseason Super Bowl favorites for next year? I'd
(05:38):
be shocked if the Niners were outside of the top
six in terms of preseason odds. We don't know are
they gonna pay debo. We don't know if Trent Williams
is going to come back. But like, they got a
lot of talent still on that team, and they had
a freaky amount of injuries. So I don't know if
he looks at it as dire as you do. I
hope he does, because the Bears have no evidence that
(06:05):
they can just conduct a search and hire the right trum.
They have no evidence of it. They used a search
firm and had Ernie ACRSI consult them on John Fox.
And then they had a general manager draft Mitch Trubisky
without telling John Fox that that was going to happen,
and then they made John Fox coach Mitch Trubisky. Like
(06:28):
it's so dysfunctional for so long in that hiring firing,
Like thirty thousand foot view part of the organization that
if Kevin Warren and Ryan Poles the president and GM
go the trade for a coach route, They've never done
it before, so I'm in for it. And then just
one thing to your point, Chicago, I've said this to
you before. It's unified by the Bears. The eighty five
(06:51):
Bears still have media deals. They still drink for free.
Mike Ditka and I know he was a cult of personality,
but I mean the guy made tens of millions of
dollars from merchandising. I mean he was on ESPN for forever.
He had cigars, he had wine, he had restaurants, he
(07:11):
had video games, he had everything from being the coach
of the Bears who won the Super Bowl. So it
matters when you win a Super Bowl everywhere, but a
parade in Chicago would be different than a parade in
Los Angeles or Cincinnati. So I would think a lot
of coaches who currently have jobs, not just Ben Johnson
(07:32):
or Cliff Kingsbury. I would think a lot of coaches.
If the Bears are in the markets trade for a coach,
I think a lot of coaches would call their agent
and say, hey, can I get on that list.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
So one of the things I like about this is
the exploration of different things. So I'll ask you about
UFOs later, but I want to start with this.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
So a lot of times there's certain things I try
to be careful of. Recency bias as a talk show host.
Don't over don't get hyperbolic on something because it happened today,
confirmation bias. Don't like something because I predicted it, and
I think about those two all the time. Don't do that,
don't that's what fans do, and I get it. I'm
(08:17):
not a fan, right, I'm not paid to be a fan.
The other thing is, don't let singular moments define somebody.
So Matt Ryan in the Super Bowl had a really
bad second half and people now think, you know, he
was never clutch. Well, the truth is he is thirty
eight come from behind fourth quarter wins. He's actually not
(08:40):
that far off Brady, Montana, Elway and Mahomes as one
of the great come from behind quarterbacks in the last well,
I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
At forever thirty eight. Ever, it's unbelievable. But you see,
I did not know that that's a big number. Aaron Rodgers. Conversely,
because of the Jared Cook completion down the sideline against
the Cowboys and one of the great throws ever, I mean,
it's up there with David Tyree and Eli it's one
of the great playoff throws. Ever, people view him as
(09:08):
a great comeback quarterback. He's actually dreadful. He's got fewer
than Ryan Tannehill, significantly fewer than Russell Wilson. Matt Ryan
has thirty eight. He has twenty two this year. We've
watched six, five or six times. He's not good.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
He gets very, very tight. And why would this be.
He's so talented And I have a lot of beliefs
on Aaron Rodgers' personality, but generally quarterbacks who are not
good late it's because they get tight. And I think
Aaron has been elevated because of the esthetic appeal. Marino
(09:47):
had this the aesthetic appeal of how beautiful he threw
the ball. That he's never been a grinder, and he's
kind of an ad libber a little bit. He doesn't
in the offseason. He relies like Marino did on his
esthetic athleticism, the beauty of it. I mean, he literally
(10:08):
throws the ball and he's not on the ground like
you ever seen those passes where his feet aren't touching
the ground.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
And the truth is the prep quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Brady Matt Ryan was a legendary prep quarterback, Drew Brees, Mahomes,
Russell Wilson. I mean I brought Mike Tomlin saying today
the dude loves football. You can't get Hi out of
the sellet football.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Is that Aaron has been the reason.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
It doesn't make any sense that he'd be great all
the time. He's not a good fourth quarter quarterback. And
I think it's because that is grinder territory. Bo Nicks,
by the way, is already classic grinder, a little smaller
than you want, doesn't have the he's already an outstanding
fourth quarter quarterback. And so there's my take is that
(11:00):
this Aaron Rodgers dot comes out and it's just very
funny how we view him as this legendary late game
quarterback and it's been on display this year with a
dysfunction organization.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
He's actually bad at it. Yeah, so I would be
very interested in actually parsing the data on number of opportunities.
Is it at all possible that Aaron Rodgers has had
fewer opportunities than you would expect because he's so damn
good and his team was always winning.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Russell Wilson and Seattle didn't trail much and he has
thirty percent more.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Okay, yeah, fair enough, Rogers, you and I I definitely
fall for the aesthetic of it. Aaron Rodgers won four MVPs.
Some of Aaron Rodgers's peak until Mahomes came along. I
would always say it was the best I'd ever seen,
and it was better than Brady and it was better
than Manning. Not more accomplished or anything like that, but
(11:55):
just guy had a forty five touchdown six interception season,
like it was stupid. His ability to be a big
game hunter, hunt for touchdowns, throw the ball down the
field and not turn the ball over like Aaron Rodgers
at his peak of his powers is still about as
good as ever, and I think crazy influential, Like you
mentioned Mahomes, Mahomes is a combination of the two, right,
(12:19):
Mahomes has the from the pocket Andy Reid extension, brilliant
snap throw, diagnose everything football guy, and then also can
throw a ball horizontal to the ground basically like submarine
style through three dudes and you're like, I don't think
I think a robot made that throw. So Mahomes is stylistically,
(12:45):
I actually think, very similar to Aaron Rodgers, but he
has this like weird combination of both, which is why
he's the most talented to ever do it. I think
that the explanation with the Jets is simpler than that.
I mean, the guy's old. One guy has been good
at his age ever and it was Tom Brady won
ever and Aaron Rodgers has other interests and the Jets
(13:06):
are really dysfunctional, and he's coming off of a very
serious injury, and you know, maybe the Jets bring him
back next year, but I wouldn't. If I were them,
I'd eat the forty nine millions, spread it out over
two years, and just be done with the nonsense in
the circus and draft a quarterback and move on and
if they do that, can you name a team that
(13:30):
would sign him? I said the Raiders. Maybe, yes, like
like the Raiders, maybe intrigue tough division have no shot
to win it. You draft a quarterback, you sign Aaron Rodgers.
You hope that Rogers has the quarterback sit behind him
and has like a Jordan Love situation. Maybe do you
(13:52):
have an organization that would pay Aaron Rodgers to play
football next year?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
It's funny because Brady now is going to be part
of the Raiders ownership group, so Mark Davis would rely
on Brady's opinion on that, and I don't I'm not
gonna speak for Tom, but I don't think he holds
Aaron in the regard that.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Fandom does.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I think Tom sees a guy that relied heavily on
talent and didn't put Brady's obsessive Peyton Manning Breeze's obsessive
compulsion to work. I think within Brady.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Has to be just disgusted that Aaron Rodgers has other interests.
You hosted Jeopardy, you travel in the off season, you
do experimental drugs. And by the way, that trailer, like
I'll watch the documentary, but that trailer of him saying
I love science or I love silence while being miked
(14:47):
up and filmed is one of the most unintentionally hilarious
things ever. Like, Buddy, you've got like a camera crew
and a sound guy and you're miked up, but you're
doing a darkness retreat. It's just so he's such a
oh he says enigma, I don't know, or you're just
a pseudo intellectual who loves attention and has a massive ego.
(15:10):
It's just it's so funny to me.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I want to delve into something that is so I
not that I was late at TikTok, but my wife
fifteen minutes when that stuff came out. She strolls it
every morning. She's got recipes and I mean she's constantly saying,
oh God, I saw this recipe. I gotta try it,
and the dog videos and she'll I'll be playing wordle
and I'll be reading, you know, CNN or the New
York Times, whatever I'm reading, and my wife is just
(15:35):
and she'll read that stuff about she's strolling scrolling, I
mean just threw it. And so I don't know what
it is, and I'm going to suggest to you what
it is. I guess is that over the last three weeks,
I have just had this compulsion to go on TikTok.
And I think it's the UAPs and the UFOs that
(15:58):
I find it hysterical. I do not believe in them.
I never have. With the Hubble telescope and the other telescopes,
if they were out there, we would see him. I'm
not going to trust Clancy in middle of Indiana at
night four, heinekens in to tell me, you know here Aliens.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
So I.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
People say things. They'll say it's incredibly arrogant to think
we're the only people in the galaxy.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I'm not saying that.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I'm saying with the technology we have, I don't think
Merle would spot it. I think our telescopes would, and
that I don't believe any of this stuff, but I
am fascinated when people go to the sky, often in
the flight line of a major airport, and go look
at that, and I'm like, yeah, I live near Lax.
(16:51):
There's forty of those puppies lined up, and the further
they are away, the more they look like UFOs. Now
tell me your stance on UFOs. This I mean on TikTok.
There's now like UFOs today, thousand pictures come up videos.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
It was in the it was in the news in
New Jersey yesterday. Like Carton on breakfast Ball was like,
did you see the UFOs over my house? I was like, no,
I didn't, and he was like, oh yeah, and he
showed me a news clip and you watched the video
and he's like, what do you think that is? I'm like, Buddy,
(17:30):
I don't know what it is. But I don't think
it's an alien. I don't think it fucked like I don't.
I am not arrogant enough to believe that we're the
only thing in the galaxy. But I'm also not arrogant
enough to believe that I can explain it. And my
cynical nature or distrust of whatever is like it's probably us,
(17:53):
Like it's it's the government doesn't tell us everything, Like
it's probably us or China. They were a military exercise
of some kind, or you know what I mean. Like,
I don't know what it is. I'm not saying that
people don't see things, and I'm not at all claiming
that we get the full story, but I don't necessarily
(18:14):
think it's spoke.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
So back before the stealth was created, I worked in Vegas.
I worked in Vegas from like eighty seven to ninety.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Three or something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
So we had a reporter, Dan Burns, and he kept
getting these calls because he did like our aviation beat. Right,
we had a mob beat and aviation beat and a
lot of stuff. And Dan Burns was this great reporter
and he kept getting calls about these triangular shaped lights
people would see. And it was like a two year deal.
And you know, then the Iraq War hit and the
(18:46):
stealth was now part of our national discussion. Right that
nobody we had the word stealth, but stealth Bomber's CNN
when they flew in and under the radar, Well, they
were testing them Area fifty one among other places. So
people weren't crazy. They were seeing things, but they wanted
that to be secret.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
So I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I think our government is first of all.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Drones.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Well, you knew our government was going to create at
some point super drones, like drones that you're not going
to get anywhere else. I mean, you hear about the
government what they want to do with like the bitcoins
and cryptocurrency, and you hear stories from business people, entrepreneurs
about what they wanted to do with AI and the
Biden White House. Regardless of what side you are on
the spectrum, they like to get their arms around stuff,
(19:36):
fortify it, modify it, and control it. That's what our
government does, probably more than we're comfortable with.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
So I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I tend to think they're experimenting and they want to
see how the public reacts. They want to see how
visible it is. They want to see if they can
hide it from the post. I think this has just
happened my entire life absolutely. I mean Colin, my four
year old, has a drone.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
They have. I mean, drone technology has been around for
a while. It was a big part of the Obama
presidency certainly, and now like you can buy one for
forty bucks. So I think there's a bunch of stuff
that the couple, what is it trillion dollar defense budget.
My guess is they got some pretty cool toys like that.
(20:24):
Occasionally Merle or Clancy or whatever sees and they're just
not gonna tell us what it is. But I also
think we want to believe stuff and media works for
a reason, and movies make hundreds of millions of dollars
for a reasoning. Independence Day is a hell of a watch,
(20:45):
Like it's a great movie, you know, Alien Versus Predator.
There's a reason why it's a franchise. It's it's it's
a fun story. We don't want to believe that I
got a mortgage and life and a couple of kids,
and if you're lucky, you get eighty years and then
you go into the ground and there's nothing before us,
(21:07):
and there's nothing after us. And you know what I mean.
We want to believe in extra cool stuff. And there's
a reason why Twilight and Stranger Things and Harry Potter
and Lord of the Rings and all that stuff is
so popular. It's fun to believe in things that are
overwhelmingly likely not real. We just are. We're easy, we are.
(21:29):
I don't blame people for believing in it. I guess
this is my point, because we are fed so much
stuff to make it seem like like Game of Thrones,
that dragon looks real. I'm sorry, I don't know what
a real dragon is, but I'm like it looked real.
We get we get inundated with a bunch of fantasy
in a way where I understand why people want to
believe in stuff.
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Speaker 1 (23:13):
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Speaker 2 (23:19):
I know you have a great affection for baseball, and
my first job out of college was a triple A
baseball announcer, so I wanted to be a baseball announcer.
And then the world changed and I football and gambling
in Vegas and whatever. So but I do think baseball.
I'll start with this premise that baseball is going to
go through a really good decade. The regional sports networks
(23:42):
have died since Fox sold them, and the bottom has
fallen out of the sport. The bottom ten to twelve
payrolls now needed that money, and it's dried up fast,
and so the gap between the haves and the have
nots between the Dodgers, Yankees, Astros, Mets, Padres and the
rest of baseball has gotten white. And it actually helps
baseball because where baseball drives its revenue a large degree
(24:06):
of its television And if you can combine teams that
become the Warriors with KD Star driven Philadelphia, New York,
New York, Los Angeles, Houston, Atlanta, it actually works for
this sport. There's always been a competitive advantage. When the
YES network first exploded and other entities weren't making that money.
The Yankees dominated the Hot Stove League for fifteen years
(24:28):
and now it's some other teams and the Yankees. So
I think the best players are on the biggest brands
and in the biggest market, and it helps. Conversely, NBA
ants and Minnesota. Wemby's in San Antonio, Jokich is in Denver, Jannis, Milwaukee.
You know, Jalen Brunson's a nice piece. But in the end,
with Lebron and Steph Curry aging, there's a markets matter
(24:50):
except for the NFL. So with that premise, baseball is
in a good spot. So nobody likes their commissioner. Rob
Manfred has stepped in it a few times. Danny, but
he has been aggressive enough and his last two moves
have absolutely worked, removing the defensive shift and the pitch clock.
Attendance and ratings have benefited. So the golden at bat
(25:14):
is being suggested. And obviously I've said this, I'm not
sure if I've said it before, but baseball purists are
a lot like the Quakers of religion. They're diminishing in numbers.
Over my lifetime, we were all exhausted by their purity.
And baseball purists very much are, you know, the sanctity
of the game. But television now is the primary provider
(25:38):
of revenue, and they want more stars and they want
faster games. And I got to tell you seeing Bryce
Harper for the second time in twelve minutes instead of
the dugout is not a terrible thing. Now, you're more
purest than I am. After my rant here, but I
see the upside to it.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
No, I do too. So Okay, there was a lot
there and it was really good. Let's start with the
golden at bat and then we could work backwards. I
like it. I don't know that it'll work. I don't
know that it'll get passed, but my basic premise is
I like sports and leagues who try stuff. When the
(26:24):
NFC Championship game with the Saints happened and there was
the terrible pass interference penalty, and they made past interference
reviewable for the next year, I said at the time
that that was going to backfire. I was like, that's
not a good idea making penalties reviewable, But I understood
the thought process behind it. They did a trial for
a year. It was a disaster. They went back on it,
but I applauded them for trying it, even if I
(26:45):
thought it wasn't going to work. The nd season tournament,
we'll see how big of a deal it becomes. But
I like that they tried it the pitch clock, as
you mentioned, they finally tried it. Theo Epstein got really involved,
made a bunch of recommendations. He backed it data. He
tried stuff in the Fall League and the miners and
independent ball, and they worked it up and they're trying
it and the rule changes are working. Trying stuff is
(27:08):
a good idea, So I like the premise of it.
I like thinking outside the box. I don't particularly care
about the purists. And then I had our researcher at
breakfast Ball Troy, He's excellent. Look into the data on it,
and just to use the Dodgers and the Yankees, the
teams that were in the World Series with the biggest stars.
If you said eighth inning or later, tieder, one run,
(27:31):
game runner in scoring position, the Dodgers had that circumstance
happen one hundred and thirty eight times this past season.
Otani came up to the plate twenty times. It's not
enough when you compare it to Mahomes down six balls
in his hand, last two minutes, Lebron's got the ball
(27:53):
in his hands. Aaron Judge came up in that spot
eight times all year. Loan Soto came up ten times
all year. So your biggest stars, your best players, did
not come up in the biggest moments all year long,
nearly enough. So that is a problem that is worth solving.
I have no idea if the baseball illuminati will go
(28:14):
for it, but I love the creativity. Here's a prediction
for you, and you're more sourced than I am. You
know all the head honchos and more owners and all
of that. But let's just call this an informed one.
I think the next CBA in baseball is going to
be ugly. The last couple have been because of the
collapse of the RSN model and how much of the
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revenue is localized. Right, the Dodgers got the last great deal,
so they have more money than everybody else. And then
the vanity owners, the Steve Cohens of the world, the
Yankees of the world. They can outspend everybody. The Cubs
have a network, but they launched it late, so they
don't make as much money from it as they would
have if they would have launched it in twenty eleven,
(28:57):
twenty twelve, twenty thirteen. I think we've got the best
chance that we've ever had in the history of the
sport to come out of the next labor negotiation. And
it might be ugly. We might miss some games, we
might miss the spring training. We'll see how ugly it gets.
I think we might get a cap and a floor.
I think there's a real chance that enough billionaires that
(29:18):
are in smaller markets are going to say, guys, I
understand we want stars in big markets, but we can't
compete with no local media. Deal Like the Fox money
is great, that the ESPN money is great, but if
you guys are making the if the Dodgers are making
(29:38):
hundreds of millions of dollars basically a year from their deal,
and the Twins and the Diamondbacks and the Brewers and
the Pirates, and a third of the league at this
point has their local media literally owned by MLB. The
people that own those teams are still billionaires, and their
friends are if they're friends with the billionaire who own
(30:00):
the rich teams with the good media deals. And the
players I think are going to go through You know,
Corbyn Burns will get paid, Soda will get paid. But
I think we're going to go through enough free agent
cycles where enough players are going to realize that the
Dodgers can't sign everybody, they only can play one right fielder,
they only can play one shortstop, that they are finally
(30:22):
going to acquiesce and say, okay, it's in our benefit
if the Pirates have to spend more and the Dodgers
have to spend a little bit less, and then it
will distribute the stars a little bit more evenly, which
will go against your first point. But a cap and
a floor, I think is a real chance to come
to baseball in the next five years.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah, I think you're paying attention to it. And of
course working at Fox, both of us now know about
the regional sports networks the RSNS. It is it is
one of the great exits in the history of business.
Those were worth half as much an hour after the
Murdoch sold them, and ninety percent less two hours after
(31:02):
they sold them. It was yeah, they and it was
a two billion, three billion dollar a year revenue for Fox.
But the problem being there were about four major markets
in the offing looking for new renegotiations and deals, and
the profits we're going to diminish. And uh yeah, that's
really really hurt the Kansas Cities, the Pittsburgh's, the Seattles.
(31:26):
It's highly punitive. They just can't for they can't even
get in the running on sometime second tier players, forget
Soto and Otani.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah, and again, like, the Cubs are a big market
team that make a killing. That attendance and in stadium
revenue matters in baseball more than any of the other sports.
And it's not close because they have so many. Right,
You've got eighty one home games. So the Cubs are
a big market team who do very well. But again,
they launched the marketing network late. I'm not speaking out
(31:56):
of school. This is well documented. They would admit to it,
and so you would think broadcasting one hundred and fifty
Cubs games a year would be great business. It's good business,
but it's not great. But it's not close to what
the Dodgers get because of when they launched it, because
the cable companies are not doing it in the same
way that they are not They're not willing to pay
(32:17):
for it in cord cutting and all the reasons that
are impacting the media landscape. So it's the inequity I
think has grown. You're right, it puts stars in big markets,
and in theory that is good. But there's too many
billionaires that own too many teams that don't have that
deal that you don't want them to get out of
the baseball business and not want to own the Twins
(32:38):
or the Diamondbacks or the Pirates or the Brewers. So
I think there's going to be a mechanism to level
the playing field through the next CBA. I really do
the as we do what we do for a living.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yeah, I've never been a really envious person, but as
I've aged, there are some things in our business that
feel like sometimes minutia, like doing shows, in July. In
the last year, for the first time, I took like
three weeks off in July. I said, guys, it's it's.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
By the way, thank you because I hosted for you
July eighth and ninth, and I think it changed my life,
so so please do that again.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
So the reason July and August have gotten less interesting
are cultural changes. I believe Sean McVay said I'm not
playing any of my good players in the preseason, and
everybody said, you're nuts.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
You'll start off oh.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
To eight and he started eight and oh, and then
everybody went, I think he's got it. And so now
the preseason is utterly charmless. There is nothing interesting about
it at all. Therefore, those three to four weeks and
they've shortened it from four to three weeks, will probably
be shortened to two weeks, and August is dead. It's
regular season baseball. A lot of the you know, as
(33:57):
the gap between the good and the terrible and Made
League Baseball widens, the races are settled, you know, the
good teams are resting pitchers and you know, so it's
a little minutia. So sometimes I think the audience thinks
we do things just for ratings. Of course we do right.
Ratings and revenue drive our entire existence. But I was
(34:20):
I was sitting there day and I was thinking about
the cyclical nature. And I took a calendar out, and
I thought, here are the busy times, here are the
slow times. And I found, like six weeks. If I
could ideally take six weeks off a year, six to eight, here.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Where they were.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
And one of the things that was interesting is that
in my lifetime only one sport has been created, UFC
that literally becomes part of my life. I'm now watching UFC.
I watched college pro, NBA, March Madness golf tournament's tennis,
I watched all that stuff. Now soccer is more popular.
(34:54):
But I was watching the United States men's and women's
national teams twenty five years ago.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I didn't care.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Sof is now the one created sport. A lot of
it's just the force of nature, force of personality of
Dana White, like renting an island during COVID, just it
really sums up who he is. But I was sitting
there and I said, you know what, Caitlin Clark and
Angel Reese has a magic bird feel to it. And
(35:20):
I said, I talked about it ten times this year,
and I monitor my ratings and the ratings people dug it.
It was often my first or second highest rented segment,
and I said, I think it's going to become I
never thought this in a million years. Hell, the teams
don't make any money WNBA. But I'm like, well, do
I have to cover the league? No, I'm going to
(35:41):
cover Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese. I don't cover boxing,
but about three times a year there's a fight in
the seventies, eighties, and nineties and you'd say, Okay, here's
Ali Foreman. We would before I got into this business,
and I know a lot of people will push back
and go that's very PC. But outside of UFC, I
am convinced that Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese will be
(36:03):
a decade long potential story as long as both teams
are viable.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Is that a reach? Is that recency bias? No? I
don't think so. Listen. One of the all time great
Colin Cowhard analogies is that you're in the omelet business,
not the egg business. I love that line. I think
it's so good. You're like, my job isn't to make
you interesting? I talk about you when you become interesting.
I loved that line from you, And so they are interesting.
(36:31):
The data supports it, and it has a lot of things. Listen, frankly,
some of it's ugly, right, There's there's racial components, there's
sexism components. Like some of the stuff that came back
on it was pretty ugly. But at its core, I
always say rivalries are awesome. Yeah, rivalry. That's why Steelers
(36:54):
Ravens gets you your juices flowing a little bit, Bears, Packers, Yankees,
Read Cubs, Cardinals, Celtics, Lakers. We like it. We like
rivalries because I want less hate in the world and
more Hayen sports, and so like a healthy amount of
hate is okay to me. Like I don't want there
to be riots, but I wasn't like clutching my pearls
(37:17):
over flag planting, you know. I'm like, it's kind of funny,
Like it's kind of funny that a two win team
plants a flag at midfield and then they push a
show and it goes the other way. When you're pepper
spraying college kids, I'm like, that's ridiculous. And I understand
that I'm flirting in a gray area there on advocating something,
and then when it gets too far, I'm like, well
that's too far. Sorry, call me a hypocrite. I like
(37:38):
a little bit of trash talk in my sports. I'm
gonna do something on Breakfast Ball tomorrow. I don't think
taunting should be a penalty in the NFL on sportsmanlike conduct.
If you punch a guy, you spit any guy's face, fine,
unnecessary roughness, the same thing, delay a game, same thing taunting.
Let them trash talk and figure it out. I'm cool
with it. I'll make the case tomorrow on the show.
That's a meandering way to get to rights are awesome
(38:01):
and star power, celebrity h it dates back to college familiarity.
We know it. And then there's also this, and you
could speak to this. You've been in the game longer
than I have. People like to be a part of
something that is growing, right, Like the World Series, the
(38:23):
number was big, it was as good as it could
have been. Yankees and Dodgers, Otani, Judge, Sodo, et cetera.
But like if baseball got that number thirty years ago,
they would have been appalled. And so like the general
trend of baseball is down in terms of ratings from
(38:43):
where it was, the WNBA, the era is going up.
People like growth stories, Right, how many companies have you
invested in or talked to their CEOs out there in
California where it's like, we don't even need to show profit,
we just need to show that we're growth and more
you and all of that stuff. So I think that's
the netflicks for years, for almost all of them, for years.
(39:07):
You know, like the line in David Fincher's The Social Network, like,
don't you're throwing a cool party? You know a million
dollars isn't cool? You know it is a billion dollars,
Like don't don't take an ad when you got on
one hundred college campuses. Wait until you're in one hundred
countries and then do it right, like lose money, keep
getting your funding, and then cash in big at the end.
(39:29):
So I don't know how big the WNBA can get,
That's right, I don't. Like I do have some skepticism
on how big it can get as as a whole
league teams. Caitlin Clark not rooting for it, obviously, but
like say she tears her ACL in the second week
(39:50):
of the season. I think that'd be real bad for
interest for the sport for that season, right. I think
it's carried by a very few pockets of stars right now.
But will it be more popular in five years than
it is today? Yes, Like it is clearly a growth enterprise,
and I think that that is also a really popular phenomenon.
(40:13):
Like people like to be a part of something early
in on the grounds or I knew this band before
they got on the test feel smart? Yes, Oh when
when did you sign up for Blue Sky? Like you
know what I mean, Like it's happening right now. We'll
see maybe Blue Sky will be a huge thing in
two years, maybe it will be like what was Blue
Sky again? But so I don't know where it ends
(40:34):
for the WNBA, but I am absolutely positive Caitlin Clark
will be a story ten years from now. She will
bring the league with her. And that is good business
because it's growth. Even if Yankees Dodgers outrates the WNBA championship,
like it's just one's going up the others going down.
(40:56):
So therefore it it is seen as a cooler thing
to be a part of.
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to talk about Blue Sky and I want to talk
about the media in general. I'm not going to join
Blue Sky because you can't transfer your followers. There's what
they call a bridge that can help it. But people
are too busy to worry about my bridge and my followers.
So if I could transfer all my followers, I don't
even know if I would do it then, but I can't,
and I have almost two million. So I'm okay with
(42:37):
I'm okay with X. But it's a bigger picture is
that you know a lot of people on the left
post election, I'm out of here, and my take is, well,
that's kind of precious and a bit convenient. Is that
the truth is and Ethan Strauss discussed this recently in
(42:57):
a column on Substackbody gets treated like shit on X.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
That's you got it.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Pretty girls, ugly boys, everybody. I mean, nobody's happy because people,
most people don't have power, and anonymously we all have
more power, and a lot of people who are miserable
and lonely, this is their time to flex, so let
them just don't read it. But it's interesting. I think
there's a responsibility to some degree. We're all somewhat, you know,
(43:27):
responsible for our happiness. I tell my daughter, don't wake
up looking for happiness. Have have things to do, follow
your passions and what you're good at, you'll find happiness right,
Like happiness will come to you if you just wake up.
It's like grabbing a rainbow. I'm gonna wake up and
find happiness. There's nothing to grab. You have to see
(43:50):
other things that make you happy. That's happiness.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
And it really was.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
What's interesting about a lot of Hollywood and the left
moving to blue Sky. It's like you just lost an
election and there's an argument to be made the primary
reason was you were a bit out of touch with
regular people. Well, a lot of regular people get a
flex on X, and when you lost, they did. And
(44:16):
you're saying I don't want to deal with you, and
to me, I'm like, guys, you would have stayed if
you want, stay if you lose, stay connected to people,
even if they can be angry and occasionally vile.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Is one of the.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Reasons I stay on X is to allow people to
take shots at me, to allow people to whack emle
me because I'm wrong, And if I'm wrong, I don't
have to read it, I commute it. But I do
think the one of the forms of hypocrisy that really
bothers me about the media is we criticize for a
(44:53):
living and we can't take it.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Oh, Yeah, I hate that about us. Yeah that the
last part of what you just said. I could not
rubber stamp my agreement went on more people, It's amazing
what we get to do for a living. And like
(45:17):
the fact that, like if we get a wrong opinion
thrown in our face and then people get defensive about
it in our industry, I'm like, are you nuts? Like
we don't get fired for being wrong, Like Matt Eberflus
just got fired, you know what I mean, Like, like
he's got to sell his house and move now, he'll
be fine. I'm not asking you to like play a
(45:38):
violin for the guy made millions and millions of dollars.
He'll be fine. But still, like there were consequences for
him not being good, Like they're not consequences for me
being wrong about a prediction about the Philadelphia Eagles, like
be entertaining, own up to it, keep it moving, come
back the next day. So I'm with you media people who,
(45:58):
especially in the opinions, who cannot deal with criticism. I
think it's crazy. Now, obviously there are lines that should
not be crossed, racial slurs, threats. Obviously, people of color
get it worse. Women get it worse. This is all documented.
I remember once it's like there was a study like
negative feedback outweighs positive feedback by like thirty to one.
(46:19):
You don't call your cable company and said cable's working great,
Like you call when there's a problem, So the discourse
of the feedback is going to skew negative. So that's
all of that part. The other thing about the thing
about Blue Sky is like, so I squatted on a username.
I haven't posted once. I don't do anything. I'm just like,
in case this becomes big, I don't want anyone else
(46:40):
to be Danny Parkins on Blue Sky. I have my username,
and I'm going to be in this at this point
longer than you are, right just by eight. So I'm
just trying to like, I don't know where it's all
going to go, but I'm trying to be prepared for
where it does. My thought on the liberal move to
Blue Sky was I understan stood the desire to like
(47:03):
form your own team and like consolidate your own team,
but like it's a it's not like a conservative can't
sign up for Blue Sky. There's no pre rest, So
who's to say it's not going to turn into the
exact same thing and who's And by the way, I'm
not at all saying that the only people that are
negative were nasty on X are conservative. That is not
what I'm saying. But like, if lu Ski gets big,
(47:25):
a lot of people with diverse opinions and backgrounds and
actions and intentions are going to be on it. And
then the other thing is, aren't we bubbled and siloed enough?
That was my big thing about it. We all are
in our own feedback loop already, we all already have
our own algorithms, and like, yeah, the for utab is
clearly being influenced by the lunatic who bought X. But
(47:49):
like my Instagram reels when I search how to cast
iron or ribi, I then get way more Instagram reels
about steak like they're not They're not made from nothing,
And so I agree, like leaving the place where the
biggest public discourse on the Internet happens because you were
(48:11):
upset with the result, didn't feel like it would solve
a problem. It felt like it would make you feel better,
as opposed to working towards solving a problem. So if
you want to do it to feel better, fine, But
I also I don't really believe that most of these
people are like gone for good. We're addicted to these things. Yeah,
we are just addicted to them. I've checked my phone
(48:33):
twice since this interview started. Like it's hard, it's hard
to put it down, you know, not interview conversation, but
like it's just so I'm very skeptical of like Blue Sky,
like long term us feeling like we are just oh,
we just found a new one. People they'll be they'll
be on X, and if it gets big and replaces X,
then it will have the same problems that X hads. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
No, I the silo comments interesting because I joke with
my wife, she just every time I start this conversation,
like once a year, she said, stop it. I'll say
to her, I get free parking in Los Angeles and
a free smoothie every day at Fox. I did the
math on that. That's seventy two hundred dollars a year,
and she's like, I know what you make. That's the
(49:18):
dumbest thing I've heard. And I've said I always say
to her, do you understand if I stayed at a
company for twenty years, the value of free parking and
free smoothies and oat field and coffee at a company
and she and she said, I said, who gets that?
And I often think about that little thing. By the way,
I get my haircut for free haircut, smoothie, coffee, parking.
(49:44):
That sounds ridiculous. Do you know how many people, if
you could sign up for that in a city, would
literally fight over it?
Speaker 1 (49:52):
And I do.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
And I guess my point with my wife is I'm
never going to allow those to be forgotten. If people
got free parking in Chicago, they'd be like, honey, I
just got free parking in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
The greatest thing ever. Yeah. When I felt when I
filled in for you and they delivered that smoothie to
the dressing room, I was like. I texted my wife.
I was like, I think it's smoothie. They asked for
my smoothie order and then it showed up. It was amazing.
We don't get we don't get free smoothies. By the way,
and Fox Sports one in New York, I I've asked,
we don't, we don't, we don't get free smoothies. You
(50:26):
gotta you gotta put in a good word for me
out here. I need the free smoothie treatment from the
LA offices.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Well, that silo comment's real because I tell my wife
it's easy to forget the stuff I get every day
a staff like it's just something that most people would
fight over. A parking space in a major city could
be four thousand dollars a year for parking.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
Oh oh yeah, don't think that everybody who works on
breakfast ball like that drives in producers or what. It's
a huge thing for them, right, It's like very expensive
to park in New York City. And yeah, like we're
not on the Fox lot. But again, obviously I'm not complaining.
The jobs amazing and the perks are amazing, but yeah,
(51:09):
it's good to have perspective outside of your bubble. And
you made it about smoothies and free parking. But I
would also say, like there are very few people. There
are a couple. I'll admit that. I'm like, I just
want to mute you because I don't want to see
(51:30):
like your intentionally divisive, mean spirited, racist, hateful rhetoric come
into my timeline because it just there's there's just negative
ROI on it, right, like for mental health happiness, I'll
go down a rabbit hole. It'll make me upset and
now I'm just angry, So like that was just I've
(51:51):
definitely done that with some people. Yeah, but I do
try to understand people who disagree with me. I do
to read sites and people and feeds and interact with
things that like challenge my worldview because it's a big,
messy diverse country and a big messy, diverse, diverse world.
(52:14):
Like if you only consume all the stuff that you
already agree with, like, what's the point. Yeah, you know
what I mean, Like, I want to learn, I want
to understand. I want to hold the same one some
gaps like it. It. I don't believe that, like people
who disagree with me are like bad people inherently. I
think some of them are, and some are at least
motivated by some bad stuff. But like, generally speaking, people
(52:37):
want to be healthy, provide for their family, have happy,
healthy kids, and like get along with their neighbors. So
it's like, okay, let's try to understand each other and
meet in the middle somewhere. So that's how I try
to operate. But some people, Man, you got to mute,
you got to have a site about your day. Yeah no, no,
I know you do. I know you do. And we're
we're meandering here. This is a very abstract conversation. But
(53:00):
I like apps. That's why podcasts work. No, that's true,
that's true. I just I don't know how much deconstruction
of the election you've done as to like why it
went the way that it did.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
Oh no, no, no, no, I believe me. I so
I'll throw this at you. When an election happens. Every
four years, of federal election, I go to the losing
team because all winners act the same, cocky, condescending told.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
You we were right.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Yeah, I go to the losing side. So when Trump lost,
I went to Fox News for three weeks. I don't
watch a lot of cable politics outside of like election
day or midterm day, So I went to Fox. So
I went to MSNBC for three weeks. And I told
a friend, I said, I don't think ms MSNBC has bathrooms,
(53:47):
because nobody there is looking in the mirror. It's like
a real problem. First it was racism, and I'm like, no,
Obama had two terms, could have one a third. Then
it was misogyny. No, Hillary Clinton won the popular election.
And what I found on MSNBC, and again I don't
I'm not taking sides here. I don't watch a lot
of either of this stuff. I think Steve Karneck he's
very good an election night, and so I leaned toward him.
(54:09):
But by and large I don't care. Even though I
work for Fox, I tend to be a moderate, socially left,
fiscally right. But what I did find is there is
there's an inability by both sides when they lose, to
discover why they lost. And I'll I'll and I'll give
(54:29):
you that's that's my first take is it's I'll give
you an example, a sports example about the election. So
every weekend in the NFL there's three blowouts. Does that
mean there's three great teams?
Speaker 1 (54:40):
No, definitely, No.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
It means there's lots of crappy teams. There's a lot
of average politicians, average candidates, average teams, average coaches. There's
almost no great college football this year. One hundred and
thirty Division one teams. There's no great team, not one.
Tennis any one point. Federi Jokovic, Nadal in the whole
world regreats a lot of goods. Serena, you know Martina
(55:03):
in her prime, that was one of two. Right. So
my take on the election was if you go back
to Reagan winning and he had like a record turnout
record support. Why because Jimmy Carter was one of our
weakest presidents and Mondale when he ran against him, was
(55:24):
a really, really weak candidate, and Reagan was charismatic. So
it was as much about Reagan, whose first three years
in office were not profound. He struggled right, it took
him a while, but it was about a charismatic personality
who had been an actor and really weak opposition Trump.
(55:44):
And it's as the total votes have come in, it's
not the mandate we many people subscribe to. But cop
think about this with Kamalo, even in California, never heard
of her until the twenty nineteen primaries, of which he
had no coalition, didn't get me votes, and because of
the emergence of TikTok and Biden's decline, he dominated the
(56:08):
news cycle for three and a half years. She was invisible.
They gave her the border. I'm not sure she went
to it. She was invisible. Then Biden stubbornly was kicked
to the curb very late in the process. She came
in and for three to four weeks the primary issue
was where'd she go? So Trump has the biggest personal.
Speaker 1 (56:31):
Brand in America. As a human being.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
She was largely invisible as a vice president, as they're
prone to be, but the age and TikTok, Instagram, I mean,
Biden was everywhere. And so this came down to she
wasn't a terribly strong candidate and he had charisma and
a brand. Even in high school elections, the popular good
(56:54):
looking or the popular funny kid wins, right, And so
they gave her the border.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
That was it. She didn't do a good job with
the border.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
That was the vice president's get one one thing to
put their arms around.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
She kind of butchered that.
Speaker 2 (57:08):
So to me, yeah, instead of being MSNBC just acknowledging
she wasn't a great candidate, He's a big brand with
a lot of bluster. Instead, it was these branches of
the tree. And I'm like, oh, this is painful. That
was my long winded take.
Speaker 1 (57:26):
Yeah. I think that the you know, anyone who says
they know exactly what happened right after an election is wrong, right, Like,
there's one hundred and fifty million votes, people, genders, races,
income classes, they're not monoliths. They don't only vote for
one reason. People generalize it. You've got to actually like
crunch the numbers and the data and like come to conclusions.
(57:46):
It takes time. I listened to the uh Podsave America
podcast with the Kamala campaign manager and like a couple
of advisors, and it was just infuriating. It. It was
just they were just complimenting themselves on how great they
did and how Cask was and listen, maybe it was impossible.
(58:10):
Maybe Trump was too big of a brand, people were
feeling inflation too much, Biden was too unpopular, and it
was one hundred and seven days and she was a
vice president for an unpopular president in a tough economy,
and maybe maybe it was impossible. Maybe it was impossible
for her to win in that timing, in that circumstance.
But God, did they have a lot of like, well,
we had to do this, and we ran this, and
(58:32):
we raised the record amount of this, and we had
to define this and we got on this and we
couldn't do everything, and we tried to do this and
it was because of this and we did. I was like,
do you not have thumbs? Can you point a thumb?
Can anyone point a thumb? I was just pointing fingers
and it's just like excuses and we did this, and
I was so proud of this, and they were so
good at this. I was like, you weren't great because
(58:54):
you didn't flip a single county. Stop telling me how
great you did. Just take some acountability, take your loss,
learn from it and right and move on. And so,
you know, I hope they do. I don't think it's
as doom and gloom as everybody else seems. I never know.
Speaker 2 (59:14):
It's very cyclical. It'll go back and forth, back and forth.
The Reagan example is probably the most famous one, right,
like forty nine states, like it's it so yeah, but man,
just a little bit more accountability would be nice, Yes,
a little bit more, a little bit more accountability would
be nice. Yeah, But I do think it's much more
(59:35):
fascinating to watch the losing side try to discover their issues.
And it's fascinating to me how infrequently and how long
it takes and how infrequently they do. And James Carville
and Bill Maher I think, have been closer to the
reality of it. But it was just a lot of
(59:55):
race and misogyny, and it's like guys mirrors look in them.
Stop blaming the voters look.
Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
In the mirror. I think there's a lot of that.
And by the way, that's the thing that's true in
sports too. The most interesting story is often in the
losing locker room. Who blew it, who choked? Who's getting
traded because of this, who's getting cut because of this,
who's getting fired because of this? Like there's there's more.
There are often more interesting stories and lessons to be
(01:00:24):
learned from the losing side of a story.
Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
I think almost olways. In fact, when I do my
show in the morning, I try not to be negative.
So this morning I led with the twelve team college bracket, uh,
kind of defending the committee, being positive, defending the committee
Alabama choice. And then I went to the idea, which
is kind of uplifting if you're a Bears fan, that
let's go for it and get Kyle Shanahan. But I've
(01:00:50):
had days. I had a day about two weeks ago,
or the first four stories. It was a Monday, and
I was like, God.
Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
I'm just hurping.
Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
And I remember like taking two of my stories early
and just put them in the last hour. I'm like, God,
I'm wearing me out. After these first three stories.
Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
I don't think we do. But I think that's actually
a good sports media criticism. Like I think that I
think that people have like gotten tired of the Chiefs
on some level, like they're very popular, Like the data
doesn't say that, but I'm saying, like it's almost becoming vogue,
and they're playing close games. They're not as dominant this year,
like on field questions and criticisms of close games against
(01:01:29):
Vegas and Carolina and all that is totally doubt. I'm
not saying it's not, but we should strive to and
I try to and continue to try to. And we're
sixty eight shows in or whatever we are into breakfast Ball,
so hopefully I've got a long road ahead of me
to like back up these words with actions. But like
it's fun to appreciate stuff and be like how cool
(01:01:51):
was that? How great of a play was that? Like
we are watching You're like Daniel Jones sucks, like I guess,
but he's actually awesome, Like he sucks compared to Patrick Mahomes.
I don't want to be my team's quarterback, but if
you if he was the Syracuse football quarterback next week,
they'd go on a run, they'd win a bunch of games.
(01:02:14):
So I do think there's a little bit more room too.
It's easy to talk about what's wrong with Phil and
the blank team as opposed to making it interesting of
why the Lions are crushing everybody, Like we just as
a collective, I think we should try our best to
(01:02:35):
like appreciate sports and celebrate them. Not that you can't
be negative, not that you can't take an ax to
something or call for a firing. It's all fine and good.
These guys get paid a bunch of money. It's it's
the opinion business you should be But it's just a
It's a good, healthy thing to remember that, Like we
should celebrate the champions. I get on Stinking Carton Like,
I'm like you guys just like you hate greatness. We're
(01:02:57):
rooting against the Chiefs, Like are you crazy? Like Andy Reid,
Patrick Mahomes track, these guys are unlikable in some way. No,
they're awesome. They're historic. Like we've never seen a three
pet You don't want to see it? Why I want
to see it. I want to see the three. I
want to see the greatness that I've never seen before.
I'm not tired of it yet.
Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
The only thing that pushes back on that for me
is I feel bad for Buffalo. I'd like to see
Buffalo win one. Had Buffalo won before Kansas City went
on this run, I'd love to see a three peace.
Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
But listen, I I called Josh Allen MVP before the year.
I said he was the second best player in football
before the year, and I picked him to win the
division before the year when few people did, like I
think he is. It is so I think I said
this on your pond a few visits ago, like he
is so very clearly the closest thing to Mahomes. And
that's not like a one year sample the eighteen interceptions
(01:03:50):
last year to not change my pinion, like going back
to twenty twenty two. Now, it is very clear to
me that it is Mahomes one, Allen two, and so
he will get one. I will root for the three
peat this year. But part of that is also my
mom's family's from Kansas City. I worked there, I was
there when they hired Andy Reid, So part of that
is like a personal tie and bias and Chiefs fans
and Arrowhead and all of that. So yeah, Josh Allen,
(01:04:13):
Buffalo and those fans that would also be an excellent story.
Obviously the Lions would be an excellent story. But I'm
not tired of the greatness yet. From the chiefs. I
liked Tiger, I liked Michael Jordan. You know, Brady did
get a little ridiculous to me. I will admit that
it's like the one because it was just it's like, dude,
(01:04:34):
you're winning when you're in your forties.
Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Well, I even had Lebron and Brady fatigue.
Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Two decades is a little much, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
But Tiger Tiger's ten years go back in YouTube. Tiger
at the US Open Pebble Beach. You could watch the
entire final round if you had three hours. It's insane.
Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
My listen, my dad didn't golf, and I love golf
because of Tiger Woods. Like I'm of that age, right,
Like I'm born in eighty six, so I'm eleven years
old in ninety seven when he wins the Masters, like
he was, Like, it was a phenomenon. It was Michael Jordan,
it was It was incredibly influential to watch that level
of greatness. Like Caitlin Clark is creating women's basketball fans,
(01:05:19):
like Tiger Woods created golf fans. There's cult of personality,
figures in that level of dominance that I'll always be that,
I'll always be Bones Jones. I hadn't bought UFC Fights
in a while. I love the UFC Bones Jones Fights.
I buy the card one hundred percent. Like there's like
I am attracted to greatness almost universally.
Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
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Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
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that I'm available anytime.
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