September 20, 2025 • 48 mins
Colin’s top takes of the week.
First, he’s joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to break down the Eagles win over the Chiefs (3:00) and debate whether the Bears should actually bench #1 overall pick Caleb Williams after another outing where he looked incapable of playing within the structure of an NFL offense (8:30)
He reacts to Baker Mayfield’s late game heroics for the Bucs on MNF (26:15)
Then, he’s joined by college football guru Josh Pate and they debate whether UCLA is over their skis in the Big Ten (38:45), and which schools are truly the best five college football programs (43:00).
Finally, they discuss whether Brian Kelly is the right coach for LSU (53:00).
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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John Middlecoff, former NFL scout Out is his podcast We
do our Sunday night hour, plus a lot to talk
about Let's not waste any time. Philly beats Kansas City
twenty seventeen. Although the deep over the top throw by
Mahomes made it feel kind of closer than it was.
It did feel like in the second half. John Philadelphia
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in my lifetime does a better job at one thing
than any time I've ever seen. If they need a yard,
two yards or three yards between the O line, Hurts
Saquon and some of their sort of counter tight end
rollout moves.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I mean, it's just automatic.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
They are so good and Hurts, you know, let's be honest,
Hurts trailing in the pocket is not my favorite guy
in the league. I don't think that's a specialty. But
I really this is one of those games. There was
never a point. I kept thinking Philadelphia is gonna eventually
wear this team down, and I'm kind of surprised Kansas
(02:00):
City clawed their way back. What are your basic interpretations
from what you saw?
Speaker 4 (02:05):
You know, I thought, going into that drive where Travis
it hits off his hands and they pick it off
and they take it to the fifty, and I mean
that tackle Josh Simmons running down the field to save
the game. I thought, if Kansas City scored there, now,
I don't know if they could slow down Philly they
had that time, But I mean, you just never know.
With Sakuon and like you said, some big playmakers, they
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were just gonna have to win that game on Guyle toughness,
and it was gonna be if they had pulled that off.
Let's say Kelsey catches it or that doesn't happen and
they score just an incredible championship like metal type game
for them. But they don't have much right now. You know,
Worthy being hurt, Rice being suspended, You know that. I
thought Travis was having a good game until that moment.
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Obviously Patrick missed you know Thornton earlier. Yeah, in that drive,
we ended up hitting him, which might have given them
a little more time. They wouldn't have to force it.
Let's face at Kansas City right now. I expected defensively,
they got shredded last game against her and and Hirts
treaded them in the Super Bowl, so I knew that
they were going to bring it defensively. But offensively, I mean,
they got an old Kelsey Hollywood Brown. I mean their
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running backs are okay, they run hard, but are they
starting on most of the teams in the league.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I mean, I think they'll be fine when they get
Rashi Rice back in four weeks. I think they will.
I think they'll find their way. Denver losing the game
they should have won today, that's a huge break for them.
So I mean that that game ends up being big
for them big.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Well, in Monday night football, someone has to lose between
the Chargers and so you're not they're not running away
with you, I guess yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
But I did.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Feel and you know, Chiefs fans don't want to hear this,
but I felt like Sirianni and Jalen Hurts. Sirianni was
coaching with a lot of confidence, like when they when
they took a lead, his whole thing was, guys, we
can just ground this out. Let's not take any big
I mean, they didn't take one big shot down the
field to Devonte Smith and.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
They hit on that.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
But I felt Philadelphia's kind of felt like, Okay, we're
on the road, we have the better roster, We're.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Gonna grind these guys out in the second half.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
And it was just one of those things, especially after
that interception on the deflection. And let's be honest, if
you have a great coach, great coordinator, spags and a
great quarterback at home after you were humiliated in the
Super Bowl, the game was gonna be close.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
The line was one and a half. It was I
said it Friday on the Herd.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I'm like, guys, it's gonna be a close game late
and Philadelphia will situationally get a key first down or
four and win. So the game kind of looked like
I thought, But I thought Philadelphia I felt in the
fourth quarter John, they felt they had the game. It's
like they brought in a closer in baseball and they
kind of I mean, how many times did they use
the tush push today?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Seven nine, a lot? Well.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Brady mentioned it though on the goal line play where
the two guys jumped off side, they didn't call it,
and that that obviously was a huge play in the game.
I do think the Chiefs they everything they have, they
just don't have much right now. And one elephant in
the room is Kelsey's old Now. Now, granted he was
having a good game relative to what he's been in
the regular season, but man, that play where the dude
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picks it off and takes it to midfield and they
end up scoring was a crippling moment for a team.
This is not the twenty nineteen, twenty twenty twenty twenty
one version they cannot score against. Let's face, they're playing
Vic Fangio, who's one of, if not the best defensive
coordinator in the league, with just a really good defensive personnel, right,
I mean, you see Jordan Davis looks. Look how that
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guy physically looks.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Fantastic.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Obviously, Jalen Carter's one of the best players. You know,
Vaughn all their you know, defensive backs. Mitchell's a really
good player. So that's a tough loss. I mean, that's
that's pretty devastating because you threw everything you had, Your
coaching was at a high level, your quarterback was just
trying to will his way, and you're just still not
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good enough. Right, So you've had two straight weeks, right,
you know, the Eagles are going to be one of
the best teams in the league all season long. The
Chargers obviously, if Herbert's gonna play at that level, they're
gonna be an awesome team. And you've lost two games, right,
it gets really good teams. That's where it's like, you
hope once these guys come back Rice off the suspension.
You know, if Worthy can get healthy, you're just gonna
have to win these games off. Guyle in toughness, but
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eventually you kind of run out of gas, right.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
And Denver's got a better roster. But Denver gave that
game away late today against Indy. Three dumb penalties in
the last four to twenty. So again you get a
break in division, and the Chargers probably beat the Raiders,
So you know, I still contend they're gonna be a
wild card team in this division. They'll be fine. A
game that was hard to watch, but I watched almost
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all of it. Detroit fifty two Bears twenty one. Outside
of Roma Dunze for the Bears, not much worked, you
know I was. And by the way, the Lions they
go for it so not kicking field goals. That's just
who they are. That's Dan Campbell. So you got to
get over that Bears fan. But I got to tell
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you I watched that game today and after the first drive,
take the first drive out last couple of weeks, Bears
have look fine. It's a timing offense and Caleb Williams
does not appear to see the field once he's off script,
and it just becomes ad libbing. It's backyard football. I
don't think this is gonna work. I don't it's the
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second week in a row, the first series. Again, they
dial up. They got about eight to ten plays. It
looks fine, it's very tight, but how many plays can
you script? And then they go off script and he
clearly Caleb doesn't see the field particularly well. And then
then he's flushed out of the pocket.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
He made six seven, eight throws today.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Rolling to his right. He just kind of threw it
up for grabs. A couple were picked, a couple were caught.
But you know, I'm I'm looking at my notes here
and yeah, I just keep writing their ad libbing again
ad libbing. I mean, there's just nothing about it except
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Roma Dunza. You'd feel good by the way Luther Burden
Missouri did he play? Did he suit up Loveland? The
kid from Michigan Courtland Loveland or is it Loveland Cortland.
I forget the Michigan the Michigan tidy. He had no catches,
so I mean, like zero. They have weapons, They've drafted
good players, they can't get them the ball. I think
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this thing could go sideways real fast.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Do you know what I wrote down? I watched two
documentaries in the last week, Billy Joel and Charlie Sheen
and whenever they get married, you could see the divorce
coming from a mile away, especially with Charlie. And in
this situation, I've been saying that from this doesn't just
speak for quarterbacks in the NFL. You could be a
talented player and Caleb, to me is a major question mark.
But we have seen Hall of Fame guys get with
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the wrong coordinator and it not work. Scheme is in basketball,
whatever plays you're running, if I'm a great player, you're
gonna make it work, and I'm not going anywhere that's
not the way football works. Then you factor in. Like
you said, there was an interception he threw today, there
was classic USC He rolls to his right, hero Ball
throws an awful pick. It leads to a touchdown. I
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can't remember if it was fourteen fourteen at the time
or twenty one to fourteen, but it was one of
those plays that show Ben Johnson getting really mad. That
cannot happen. Right. Obviously, there are gonna be plays where
nothing's there. The Lions are gonna be hard to beat
at home. I like the Lions a lot today in
this game, but I didn't expect to see fifty to
twenty or whatever the final score was. But this is
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a this is a marriage that is not meant to be.
Their styles do not mesh up. And we have seen
time and time again that these coordinators with quarterbacks when
I do not pick you. Here's the thing with with
bo Nicks, who threw a bad second half pick. He
played an excellent first half. But Sean Payton is tied
to him. That's his guy. He loved him right. There
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is a like that power of when I draft you,
when I believed in you from before you become an
NFL player, is power that is not Ben Johnson took
this job, maybe intrigued by Caleb, but you see through
two weeks his his mannerisms on the sideline with his face,
and it's that this was an Eberflu's game. I mean,
this was pretty embarrass It's not all Caleb's fault. This
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was not like he was worse last week. But this
is not this This the Bears are a joke.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
You and I've been talking the organization I wrote down
Ryan Poles is this is this roster the most overrated
roster we've heard in that last couple of years. Listen,
the Lions are missing players. From last year and that
looked like Georgia playing col Pally or something.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
It was crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, and it's funny. I remember before Caleb got drafted.
A good friend of mine is Steve Kaime, and I said,
you know, what do you make? Could jump it in
the stands for Caleb Williams with his mom and crying
and the fingernail polish and Steve's not a real judgmental guy.
And Steve was like, don't love it. I'm not to
see he goes. You know, if a guy is talented,
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he's telling he goes. But he's a very emotional player
and he goes, you know, And Steve has taught me
this through the years, Like quarterback is one of those
positions where you really need somebody that's even keel and
puts out fires. Football is an incredibly emotional game, and
as your teammates are getting emotional and the coaches are
getting emotional, you know, when you're on Tom Brady love
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to celebrate, but in the moment of a game, Tom
was very even keel and Caleb's Averia. You can see
his sideline demeanor. He plays with a ton of emotion
and he gets really amped up.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
He also lose.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I think sometimes Caleb loses confidence when I watch him
like his his his accuracy is all over the map.
So that feels like a confidence and mechanics issue. And
I don't know, I just look at it, and I
think this is a this coach wants a certain quarterback stylistically,
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probably much more like Sean Payton, where you can augment
the timing game with I mean bow Nicks and Sean
bow moves. They move the pocket a lot for bo Nicks,
as you should. But there's I sat there today and
my notes are all negative on Chicago.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
There was a couple plays today and I'll take the
l on Jalen Hurts. I never thought in a million
years he would be a functional NFL quarterback, let alone
a super Bowl champion. And we can debate where he
ranks or whatever, but there were a couple of plays
today where Spags brings the entire house and he sits
in there to the last second and he throws his
one on one matchup and he's gonna get just mollywopped,
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and one he hit the smith and I think he
missed another one. But it's just this guy just kind
of knows what he's doing. And he's an athletic ad
lib and theory, but he can play in big spots. Caleb.
When sometimes there's pressure and there's nothing you can do,
you gotta kind of scramble. There are times where it's
just like he's just taken off. For years, Mark Schlarath
was one of the only guys saying everyone acts like
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these offensive linemen and Seattle suck. Maybe some of it.
Russell Wilson, right, and remember he would just run into
sacks and you watch him today when that head goes
down and you just scramble into guys that is quarterback
one on one that the coaches hate, right head down
and his head goes down, and then he moves all
the time like Mahomes, whether he misses or makes the throw,
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his head's always up moving around Jalen Hurts as even Kyler.
Kyler's head is up now he scrambles, probably sometimes at
the wrong time, but his head's up looking to throw.
Caleb just looks in the crown and then it becomes
I this there's no way this is sustainable. Obviously you
start losing like this. But Ben Johnson's not going down with.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
The ship with this guy.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Why because Sean Payton will go down with bo Nicks, right,
Andy Reid will go down with Mahomes. I'm not comparing
those two situations, but my point is I'm all in
on this guy. You can't convince me after a couple
of weeks that Ben Johnson is going to be all
in with this guy for seventeen games.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
It's not possible.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
And they're clearly the worst team in there. Ackers looked
like a juggernaut. We saw the Lions turned out they're
not as bad. Why because the Packers are really good
and we'll see how Minnesota looks tonight. But clearly Minnesota's
just they just beat the Bears, So I mean, they're
just a better operation. The Bears are in major trouble. Guy.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, and I there's a reason in the preseason that
Ben Johnson made a point. I mean, remember we came
on this podcast and we said he was glowing with
Tyson beajon. He's so smart, man, He's having a great camp.
About a week later, they signed him to a very
big backup contract. I think Caleb gets one more start
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and if it's ugly, can Ben come out and go listen,
Caleb's gonna be fine.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
You sell that to the media.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
But he needs a week off, he needs to get
some stuff right. We need to figure out a way
to get this ship going. I could see one more start,
I really could. And then you go to Tyson Beijing.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
I would say you're crazy because once you Ben Sam,
you're done. But we just saw last year. Who knows.
I mean, Bryce Young is any good or not. I
have my reservations at this point, but Panthers just did
it and he was the number one overall pick as well,
So there's precedent in the league of like, hey, you
can bench a guy, bring him back. What are the
Bears going to do? Lose more games? I mean, what
are we talking about at this point? So yeah, I
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would say moving forward, everything's on the table. And if
you're Ben Johnson, like you clearly don't care about feelings.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
The one thing I didn't quite realize. He's wired.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
He's not like a loosey, goosey offensive coach, you know,
like Kevin O'Connell, Sean McVay always smiling like he feels
more like a Shanahan Son like kind of angry, never
smiles like this. This is just it's way. I bet
against it. To jump from the jump. It's way ugler
than I thought. And today was like a referendum not
just on Caleb, the entire organization. I mean Ryan Poles the.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Last Earth I've watched Pennix. I would make a bet
now that he can play. I've watched JJ McCarthy to
some degree, and it helps that he has Kevin O'Connell
and Brian Flores. But he'll be able to play bow knicks,
can play.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Jaden's a star.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Drake May doesn't have a ton of pocket presence, but
again today he moves the chains. I don't think he's great.
I think he needs another year. I mean that's what
they said about Drake May when he came in. He
is unrefined. But it is very possible from what I've seen,
and it's not close. We're going to have five hits
and one miss and the number one guy is going
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to be the worst quarterback in the class.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
I think the thing with Caleb Williams, yeah, I mean
it's sure headed that way right now. I mean he's
a disaster. I don't care what stats you give me
last year. I think when you have that great of
an arm and Caleb has a fantastic arm. I think
sometimes in which is human nature, maybe you struggle to
develop other parts of your game. And the touch on
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his ball, to me, that's glaring, Like he just has
no touch on the ball. And he's one of those
guys that feels like he really struggles to kind of
throw a softball a change up because watching him play,
did you realize he was this good of an athlete
in college? Like he's I knew he could scramble around,
but he's moves really.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Good well in person when you see him his head,
his shoulders, he's six feet tall. He feels when you're
around him like he's six'. Four he is thick and, Powerful.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
And wasn't that the thing with Young Russ wilson's, like, wait,
hey he's got a huge, arm throws a great deep.
Ball But russ had a lot of touch and maybe
it was that it was he a second. Baseman, yeah
he had some feel to. Him and you Watch caleb
like he could not play second. Base that ball would
be chuck knoblock all over the. Place and, that to
me is where you get The Ben johnson stuff is, like,
well a huge part of his offense in his entire
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scheme is touch. Place look At Jared goff, today a
lot of. It IT'S i, mean he threw a couple of,
bombs but it's a lot of just get the ball
out of your hands a couple of, steps throw it
across the, middle hit guys in, stride even if you
miss a little, bit throw up, behind give him a catchable.
Ball caleb throws some balls that Even Randy moss or you,
Know Jared riises their prime would have a problem.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Catch he rolls out a.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
LOT i think You're the one point you made THAT
i really agree with is that he just puts his
head down and he is now a running, back and
then they're just it's just not working. Again Roma dunze
is a very good. Player but Where's Luther, burden this
kid From, MISSOURI i Mean Colston, loveland you, know the
tight end From. Michigan where are? THEY i, mean it's
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just you've got to USE i, Mean i'm watching all
these Bo nix is getting everybody touches for The Denver, Broncos,
franklin The oregon, Kid, mims.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Everybody's the tight.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
ENDS i mean he's spraying the ball. Around everybody's getting.
TOUCHES i mean In, chicago it's, like if you're THE,
gm you've got to be watching this. Thing and, bro
these are good. Players So i'm almost interested in Watching Tyson.
BAGEN i think, OFFENSIVELY i think they actually have some
skill and they're just not they're Not caleb's not equipped
to get them the.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Ball, well look at And i'm sure we'll talk about this.
Game is the thing that stood out to. Me, now
whether they got lucky to win the, game we could
probably argue all day. Long Indianapolis. Colts obviously in a perfect,
world you would get a star.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Quarterback but if.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
You just get me a point, guard they can get
me double digit assists even if he can't score, now
And Daniel jones actually playing pretty well this, year but.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
He's Got they got.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Good, yes they got three or four wide. Receivers they
got this top ten or more in the tight because
he went after. Leveling he was making plays all. Day
they have a star running back and you're watching a
guy just distribute and you're, like this team free physically
gifted on their, skill was, Right but you didn't feel
that With Anthea. Richison because balls are, skipping he's, running
he's getting sacked And Daniel, jones just get it to the,
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bay to the, guys to the. Guys they're just Making.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Baylars ten for. Ten they're their first ten possessions this.
Year and to your, point their roster is. EXCELLENT i
don't Think indy's a great, team but it's a prime
example is they have a good roster and they're using
every player on their roster. Offensive every single one is
contributing a little instant reaction On Baker mayfield and The
(20:18):
buccaneers coming from behind on a game they could have
lost six different ways and sort of gutted it. Out
between The colts and The broncos yesterday and The buccaneers
and The texans, tonight it shows, you you, know that's
why when fans get worked up and this coach is
a bomb and this player is a, bumb a lot
of this stuff is coin. FLIP i, mean think about,
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tonight The buccaneers have a punt, block they give up
a huge, return but yet Then, houston The texans have
a first and, goal and The, texans it's easier for
them to block a punt and get twenty yard games
From Nick chubb for a touch then pick up two
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at the goal, line and so they just figured Out
baker gets the ball, last and you, know huge, scramble
makes a, play goes seven of nine for sixty five
yards on the final, drive And tampa went. It But
tampa had a disastrous special team's performance at various. Times Mika,
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abuka a great young, receiver dropped what should have been
a huge.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Play down the.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Stretch they struggled in pass protection With Baker. Mayfield but
THE nfl mostly comes down to in close, games who
makes the big plays with under a minute thirty, left
And tampa. Did baker with a huge, Scramble baker with
a couple of, Ropes Bucky irving breaking tackles on that.
Run they just made their big plays the last time
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they got the. Football The texans made several big plays
in the third. Quarter so it's such a go either way.
League BUT i was watching neither. QUARTERBACK i mean, Again
texans are owing To bucks two to, zero and a
lot of it is. Circumstantial tampa's just made big plays
on the road Against, atlanta big plays Against, houston And
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Baker mayfield is a big part of. That AND i
was thinking about this.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
TODAY i was writing this down going into this.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Game BECAUSE i think. C. J stroud And Baker mayfield
both have gotten their teams into the. Playoffs think about.
This i'm going to name the quarterbacks right now that
are capable of winning double digit games or getting to the. Playoffs,
Mahomes Josh, Allen Lamar, burrow C. J, Stroud, Baker Herbert, Goff,
Hertz Dax, Stafford Jordan, Love, Kyler, Murray Gino, Smith Aaron,
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Rodgers Sam, Darnold, Bownicks Jaden, Daniels brought Perty, t who
has been a pro, Bowler Trevor, lawrence you know he
did get his team and won a playoff. Game that's
twenty one quarterbacks in thirty two. Teams i'm not Counting Mac,
Jones Daniel jones Or Russell, wilson who had great games
yesterday when they have the right coach and the right.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Fit i'm not.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Counting Michael pennix or Cam ward Or drake may WHO
i think are going to make it in this.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
League i'm not.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Counting Caleb williams OR jj, McCarthy Who i'm not sure
of at this moment in. Time caleb's certainly talented. Enough
but total between all those quarterbacks twenty. Eight so there's
a lot of guys that can spit it in this.
League but it comes down TO i Mean buccaneers go
on the, road, punts, blocked returns, SURRENDERED i mean dropped, passes,
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sacks multiple. Sacks Baker mayfield was a pinata for a couple,
series and they figure out how to win. Games and
it's just like The Denver colts game had to go
either way. Game there's an ify sketchy call by the.
Official Shane steichen does actually a poor job coaching on
that final. Drive he admits it after that he got
(23:51):
two conservative but they get an officiating break and they.
Win and by the, way they made a great interception
on bow knicks in the fourth. Quarter so The colts
also had several big. Plays offensive Lead Daniel jones was
hummon at key moments in that. Game but so much
of this game it's just coaching and quarterback play and
who gets the ball last and who makes the last
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big play in a. Game AND i know, YOU i
think you THINK i don't Like Baker, mayfield BUT i
do think the offensive coaching is the best it's ever.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Been in my.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Life and that's why you're Seeing Geno smith And Sam
donald And Baker mayfield And Mac jones yesterday that was
the best Game Mac jones has ever.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Played, well It's Kyle.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Shanahan so the offensive coaching in this league is really
spectacular right. Now and what it allows is for quarterbacks
who may fail in their first organization that Eventually Baker
mayfield goes to The rams and then he goes To
Tampa bay and eventually he finds his. Way And Sam
donald goes To caroline and The. Jets then he goes
To San, francisco understands the. System kevin O'Connell likes. Him
(24:55):
now he's In seattle and he's gonna win a lot
more games In. Seattle so, eventually the the message is
in THE, nfl if you're talented, enough you will find
a good offensive coach or a great. Situation tampa is
perfect For, baker you, know It's tampa's a little bit
of a pirate ship and ebor city and a little
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bit of a rebel and an outcast. City it can
be a party, town it can be a retirement. Place
but it's always been With jason light THE Gm they've
got tons of, Talent they've always had, talent but until
they Got Tom brady and Then. Baker they couldn't get
the quarterback. Right you, Know Brad johnson won A Super,
bowl but it was a stacked. Roster But tampa's got.
(25:38):
Players they've won their, division what two three years in a,
row and GOOD, gm good quarterback, play and they've kind
of now feel like they're in control of this. Division
SO i picked them to win this. Division and you
know it comes down to if you give me the
best quarterback in a, DIVISION.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I like my chances to make it into the.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Playoffs But Kansas city With mahomes is eventually probably going
to get His Xavier worthy, Healthy Rashi rice will come.
Back they'll figure out a way to win ten games
and get into the. Playoffs they're too good, defensively too
good of a, coach too good of a defensive. Coordinator
mahomes is due. Talented they'll figure out how to win ten.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Games but you, know AS i watched this, game it
could drive you sports. Better is.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
CRAZY i LIKED i actually Like houston tonight so AND
i thought they had it with two huge specialty teams.
Plays they earned both of. Them legitimate block, punt great.
Return the referees picked up the, flag But baker gets
the ball last and has got all sorts of weapons In,
Tampa Chris godwin wasn't. Available he's been banged up throughout his,
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career and SO i get ready For raiders and The chargers.
Tonight you know the other, THING i got a couple
of texts after my show today from people in The
National Football league in the front, office and they were
agreeing with me on my take today about. Quarterbacks Mike
sandel also wrote an article about. This Justin field is
banged up again And Joe burrow is banged up. Again
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it's not that they deserve to be, hurt but there
is a skill To brady And Eli manning and CERTAIN
nfl players staying. Healthy, now some guys Like Josh allen
are just simply bigger and can take more or more
Durable but Even Big ben And Cam, newton who are
huge men like six' five two fifty five six six two,
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Sixty Five big ben aged. Very Quickly cam newton. Aged
overnight why they took too, many hits And So josh
allen similarly gets, beat UP and i worry about that
could age. Him now he does have a great. Left
tackle they have Now With james cook developed a, run
game and so they're not as reliant on and they
actually run more statistically if you look at, the data
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then people would think With. The bills but some of
this is just you've got to know. Your body, You Know,
baker mayfield who, like tonight, you know there's a couple
Of times baker's a great. Core back if he give
him two and a half seconds and let him plant his,
right foot he throws a beautiful ball for The RECORD.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Soda. Cj stroud baker throws a beautiful ball when it.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Breaks down baker plays with so much confidence and so
much emotion when the, you know the pass blocking. Breaks
Down sometimes baker extends a play, and SHOULDN'T and i
think that's just it's a. Little RECKLESS but i think that's.
His personality, You know baker is, you know he's a
full back that. Plays quarterback he's a linebacker that. Plays
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quarterback he likes the physicality of. The sport but even
as big and Strong As andrew, luck was it just takes.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Its TOLL so i.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Really do believe there is a skill in this league
just staying on. The Field eli manning was the master
of just letting go of the ball getting rid. Of
it and there's also players think, how big strong And
Physical anthony richardson was For, the colts but he couldn't
get the pre snap. Stuff down he couldn't spot blitzes
and would get just hammered two or three times. A
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game and despite, His Size anthony richardson was dinged up.
A Lot justin fields is, a, big athletic. Twitchy athlete
he gets banged up. A lot, so Listen the bengals
are a cheap organization that you spend more on the.
OFFENSIVE line i mean, To me i've always looked at
it like your quarterback Is. Your bentley the offensive line
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is the. Insurance policy you wouldn't own a beautiful car
without an. Insurance policy so it's the most important unit
on the field is protecting, your asset, the franchise. The
Quarterback since naty can't figure, that out so it's just
time and. Time again you kind of roll your eyes At.
The bengals but some of it is, on Quarterbacks not
(29:43):
sometimes you gotta just let a play end and move
on to the. Next play and it's very hard for
Guys Like baker mayfield who are super. Hyper competitive he's
just Trying to he's squeezing every ounce of talent out of.
His Frame but BAKER and i just took some shots
that he should. Not take because this Team in tampa's
(30:06):
got a pretty good. Defensive front they have some. Nice
weapons But if baker's, not playing they're not a. Playoff
team baker is, a, huge huge the most important part
of them dominating that division the last. Several years and by,
the way coaches also get. Second Chances todd Bowles In
new york didn't feel he quite he wasn't quite ready
to be a. Head coach he's done a great Job.
(30:27):
In tampa they always come, with surprises always make.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Big plays they just had a really bad night in.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Special Teams but tampa wins at twenty, to nineteen and
that IS. The nfl look At the buccaneers first. Two
games they could be zero. And two they're two. To
zero they got, the quarterback they made a couple of key.
Situational plays they have played completely, imperfect football And the
bucks are two to zero with two very. Narrow wins,
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All Right josh pate. Joining us he cuts through like
nobody else with. College, football obviously Host Of Josh Page College,
football show which. Is FANTASTIC so i got into this
discussion the. Other day i'm known AS a, usc homer
SO and i lean into IT because i think it's obnoxious.
And funny, but whatever we all have our team or
(31:18):
our region. Or WHATEVER and i was talking to a
friend the other day WHO'S A, ucla BRUIN and, I
said i just. DON'T think i DON'T think ucla is a.
GOOD job i think it's one of those where it
sounds like it should. Be good, you're, like oh there's
a lot of money In, bel air but it's an.
INTERNATIONAL university nil punishes college. Football programs you. Can make
(31:44):
you can be a top ten college basketball program with
about four million a year in college basketball if you're
not at sixteen, to eighteen which is where USC's. AT now,
i mean there's a reason USC's defensive front. Looks better
they bottom line. Of it so my TAKE with ucla
is they are bottom half Of the big TEN in
(32:06):
nil because it's In. Bel, air josh you can't really
and it's a. Public university your coaches have to drive
forty five minutes or an hour. TO work i don't
think it's a. GOOD job i do not think it's a.
GOOD job i WOULD if i was, AN agent i
would not send my best. CLIENTS there i don't think
it has a. Huge brand you tell me you Live.
(32:28):
IN nashville i spent eight nine Years In. LOS angeles
i don't think it's A good i don't think it's
A good i don't think it's a top thirty college.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
FOOTBALL job i would.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
GO further i don't think it's top. Forty five like
you're talking ABOUT multiple g five jobs that are BETTER
than UCLA. And i when we, Say that by, THE
way i know people who don't live in this world
and who don't immerse themselves, in it they almost think
you have an ax, to grind like you just, Talked,
about oh that's. Usc, moriism, WELL dude i grew Up In, Harris,
county GEORGIA so i got no dog in. This fight
(33:01):
i'm just telling YOU what, i PERCEIVE but i could.
Be wrong so then you ask around and you ask.
Forget agents yet of course agents are echoing that.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
To.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
ME colin i just go. To COACHES when i see
a coach's name and the running for, These jobs i'll
just go to the Coach and i'll, ask him and
they'll usually shoot straight, with YOU and i just think
Probably even i've been a little taken back by how
many people who in a previous lifetime we would look
at it the job, they're at and you, would, think
(33:30):
oh it's a slam, dunk yees he can GET the.
Ucla job he's going to. Take it that in the
modern day look at it, and, say dude there's. No
way and we're not just talking about, head Coaches like i'm,
telling you there are coordinators. Out there there are prettyhigh
level coordinators out there that would not leave where they
are right now FOR the. Ucla job and you mentioned
it's bottom half Of the. Big ten well that's in.
(33:53):
A vacuum, so yes it's bottom Half of big ten.
In vacuum but then like, you said when you, factor,
in hey if you Take the, ENDIANA job i mean
you could Do like signity and blow. It up but
even if it's Not what signitti has, made it you're
going to Live, In bloomington indiana. Very affordable so you're
asking me to go take a bottom. Half job you're
going asking me to be distant second in my. Own
(34:13):
town you're asking me to be second on my own
campus when it comes to the. Athletic department you're asking
me to take over a place WHERE the nil infrastructure is.
Really discombobulated they're not fractionally as put together in football
as they are for basketball there and you're, asking me by,
the way to compete with superpower Programs Like oregon Right
(34:33):
And ohio State And penn State. And michigan THERE'S just
i don't have much good to say. ABOUT it I
wish i. WAS wrong i wish you.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Were wrong.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
We're, NOT yeah I mean i and the football stadium's
forty five minutes.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
OFF campus i.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Think there was a time when you could you could.
Get away there was a time when It Was terry
donahue And then Dick for meal and it would GET
on abc and it was part of the packs and
there was something to be Said about you're playing In
The rose bowl and the weather was cold, everywhere else
and now, you're, like oh it's WARM. In UCLA like
(35:08):
i could see a quarterback or, wide receivers and they
do put guys IN. The NFL but i think there
was a Moment When chip, Kelly said i'd rather go
be a coordinator At A big ten school than the COACH,
Of ucla and, to me, it's, like oh that's the
tipping Point because, chip knows, You, Know chip chip's Coached,
At oregon he's coached AT. The nfl, he's, like, No
(35:30):
yeah I'M and I. Know chip chip was at my sixtieth.
Birthday party Chip. Likes la chip and his Wife. Love
la it's not that he's not.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
An outsider so, you know. IT'S funny i said, YEARS
ago i. FELT this i don't feel.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
IT anymore, i said, YEARS ago i Thought the, TEXAS job,
i said take away the top three quarterbacks IN, the
nfl whoever, has those and they're in. Their prime those
are the best football Jobs. In America, Kansas, City. Buffalo baltimore,
you know those are the. Best jobs you HAVE an,
nfl pension your coaches, don't leave you don't have to.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Recruit PLAYERS but i always said Fourth.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Is texas AND and i as we talk about what
kind of job, IT is i, always Think like texas
is the best, College Job, Ohio. State georgia then we,
can Argue Like, notre dame there's an. Academic umbrella it's
kind of, you know it's it's in the middle, of
nowhere it's, you know, it's small, it's private. BAD weather,
(36:35):
i mean my wife wouldn't be overjoyed to Move to South.
And indiana like all, Things CONSIDERED if i said to
you top, FIVE jobs i want you to, consider pressure,
pay conference. Geographic Location. Remember oregon, you know as, an
outsider if you don't have a lot of players in,
your state you generally don't have a. Good Program phil knight.
(36:56):
Changes that california. Changes IT if i said to you top,
five programs all, things considered where Are.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
You you are going To think i'm joking, With You
but kentucky football would be the JOB that i would want.
To Take mark stoops makes close to ten million dollars.
A year the goal there is to win. Seven Games Jif,
burl kentucky you can be. There forever he's got a
massive buyout and unlike a lot of these, other guys
he is the only place where YOU blend sec PAYSCALE without.
(37:27):
SEC pressure i can't believe people don't Look At mark
stoops and say that guy figured. It, out now if
you do want to compete for a, national championship the
answer Is the University. Of georgia georgia has long Been
THAT and i Remember when saban Was, at alabama and
everyone would Look at saban and is he going to Go?
To TEXAS but i remember, someone, saying No forget Saban, to, texas,
(37:51):
like yeah if he were to take, that job it
would Suck, for alabama but hit do probably the same Thing.
At TEXAS he's i don't think you could dominate much
More than saban Did. At alabama but what people kept
saying was you need to be paying attention to what Happens.
With georgia this was Like The Mark rick. Georgia, Era
yeah georgia for a. LONG time i grew. Up there
for a. Long time georgia like good was the enemy,
(38:13):
of great and they were. Just good it was. Pretty
good it was kind. Of, Good yeah and there was
this like. Nether region there were never bad enough for
a firing, to happen they were never good enough to win.
A title and the rest OF the sec was so
Happy with georgia being. Like that and finally it got
to a. TIPPING point i Really think saban and to,
An Extent urban meyer turned the heat up IN the
(38:34):
sec enough To where georgia made. A move And then
georgia went And Got nick saban's Guy And kirby smart
and the day They. Hired smart there's no guarantees in.
This WORLD but i thought, to myself if that is
the guy that Can replicate saban's model or come roughly close,
to it if you tip those ingredients and you throw Them, In,
ATHENS georgia i just thought it was a, powder keg
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Deal With, so KENTUCKY if i don't want to win, A,
title GEORGIA if i do want to win, a title
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I'VE said i remember when urban melted down with a Media,
in Florida and i've. Seen it college basketball coaches. Do
(41:17):
It and, i've said, you know you don't see it
IN the nfl much because you're in a. Big city
the media is, tough everywhere and you also have an
owner above you that you don't want to embarrass. The
franchise but in, college football the coach is often the
highest paid. State employee you can really. Control practice the
media is, small town so you get into kind of
this kind of power vacuum where you kind of are
(41:38):
the biggest guy in the state and you kind of
get into. Your Ego and brian was got very tribal
and protective and.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
It, you know he doesn't have.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
A natty it took him a while to get. It
rolling there was the incident where the student died. On,
campus like there's a lot of stuff Here With. Brian
kelly he's not always the. Most likable there was The
fake southern accent or whatever. It IS but i still
CONTEND that i don't know if he has the relentless
(42:09):
recruiting energy he used.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
TO do.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
I Like, brian KELLY but I but i found the
media historically. Plays favorites. For years they were tough, on
Hardball and i'd, be, like guys he Got The, SUPER
bowl i know How bad. Stanford was he. Can coach
take a. DEEP breath I Think brian kelly's a top.
Twelve COACH am? I misguided is nobody yet buys him
(42:34):
IN the SEC because lsu has been when they have the,
right coach. THEY'RE great i, don't know how what do
you if you had to grade HIM, at lsu where
would you.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
BE ABOUT a B minus b minus? TO be, i,
think look, FIRST off I love bk, as well so
he's never rubbed me the. Wrong WAY we, I mean
i've gotten along great. WITH him i think that he walked,
in THERE like i told you twenty, minutes ago and
there is always in a very very unique connection culturally
(43:03):
just the Fabric of LOUISIANA and lsu FOOTBALL that i
don't think you can fully appreciate it unless you've been
down there for a.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Long time, THAT'S right i. Totally agree and.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
He walked in and, His, ATTITUDE frankly i can't blame
him for HAVING because I think i would have been
the same WAY if i, WERE him i would have
walked in, and, Said Basically I'm. BRIAN kelly i Know what.
I'M doing i know what the formula to. Win is
and contrary to what you, people think the formula to
Win In south bend is the same as it. Is
here get, good players develop them by into the process
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we define. Around here and. Will WIN and i think
he Heard, about Louisiana this louisiana that to the point
where he almost wanted to prove. A point AND when
i tell you He flushed louisiana out of, THAT building
i mean some people that it wouldn't have mattered whether
they stayed or went. Desk, receptionist no You're from. Thibodeau
by so he flushed that Place. Of, louisiana now it
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wouldn't have mattered if they, won immediately but. They didn't
and because, they didn't in turn and culturally, down there
that's been held over. His head Now, on saturdays they're fully,
behind him, All right in, recruiting weekends they're fully. Behind
him but there are a lot of people. THAT haven't
i told you so Attitude Towards Brian kelly yea his,
own state because he did that, well organizationally, university wise
(44:17):
they course. CORRECTED collectively i don't really think that decision
was entirely on. His plate if you Get what i'm,
saying right, you know You Bring blake baker down there
as your, defensive coordinator You Bring austin thomas in AS.
Your gm these are people you cut them open and
it's purple. And goal and not, only that they're the
best in, the world some of the best in the
world at what. They do and it's no COINCIDENCE that
(44:38):
lsu you all of a sudden right. Feel it you can.
Sense it you could have sensed it in.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Their defense their defense looks like big, boy defense, LIKE like,
i mean that.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Was the thing. Last year they.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Were atrocious so, TO me i never Worried about, brian's
OFFENSES like i think he'll always figure. Those out he's rough.
On Quarterbacks But i'll SU's defense Is like georgia when
you got the. Right coach it's JUST all. Nfl players
it's eleven guys who will eventually plan That.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
On, sunday yeah which was shocking that You Have jaden
daniels there a couple of. Years ago and if you
TOLD me lsu was gonna Have A heisman trophy caliber quarterback,
COME through i just Blindly say national championship might tell
me who the. COACH is, I mean i'm rolling out
of top twenty five defense if my MOM'S the dc
there as long as you're keeping in state kids. In
state so for that to have failed them was. Mind
(45:29):
boggling it's Just like mario not being able to stop
anything last Year at Miami With. Cam wore. It's crazy
so it's funny that we've talked about THIS because i
feel there's a very very closely correlated story that's been
told over the past few years in college Football About
brian Kelly And. Lincoln, riley ironically the whispers, were, Initially
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oh lincoln may TAKE the. Lsu, job well then he
winds UP. At usc SO then lsu goes And Gets,
brian kelly and they both had the wrong defensive coordinators at,
the outset and then they both corrected and now they're
both massively. IMPROVED defensively i just feel like the story
arc is headed for a playoff matchup. ONE day i
just FEEL LIKE usc lsu. One DAY but i do agree,
(46:12):
with you AND it's i don't think it's something that
will really be appreciated by them unless he wins the
national championship there because everybody else this millennium has who's
been the head COACH. At, LSU yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
I Mean Listen, ed orgeron who's a very. FUNNY guy.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
I love ed does not consider, a schematic, you know
kingpin of.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
The sport he's. A recruiter i mean FOR years i
thought he was more of.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
A, position coach like a line coach than even. A
coordinator broke his heart when he didn't GET the, usc
job AND then i would argue TODAY that lsu Team
with burrows the Most talented i've ever. Seen period end.
Of STORY so i mean they had the, hardest schedule won.
Every game So if ed can, do it and that's
not a knock LIKE he's I mean ed would be
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the first To Admit ed ed never schedule a.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Bad. Time ed ed was, a, distracted funny. Great GUY
but I think brian's too good of.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
A coach THE older, I get i tend to just
look at people AND if i have to hire somebody
or something at, the volume hire. Smart people they'll figure,
it out is. My RULE and I think brian.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
It took him. A while i mean it just it took.
A while he couldn't get the.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Accent down BUT eventually i think three years, in, LIKE
oh i feel like they figured.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
It, Out yeah they're one of The teams i'm looking
most forward to. Watching HERE the sec is just going
to be a bloodbath by the end of, this thing
and they're one that you Know the clemson game goes
the way. IT does i was actually glad this week
he Publicized The garrett nusmeyer injury because it's kind of
been whispered about In the south That nuss meyer had
injury leading up To that week one Game, against clemson
(47:50):
like an, abdominal thing never. Got publicized and they they
go and win on, the road and then they were
very Lackluster in week two against an, inferior opponent And then,
Week three lagway turns the ball over five TIMES and
lsu wins twenty, to ten and you can, clearly, tell hey.
We're undefeated something feels a little, Off, offensively well your quarterback's,
been hurt that's what's. Been off here's, the, thing though
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there are teams with healthy quarterbacks that are one and
two right now and you're three. To zero that's the
surest sign the defense.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
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Speaker 1 (48:23):
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Speaker 3 (00:56):
All right.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
John Middlecoff, former NFL scout Out is his podcast We
do our Sunday night hour, plus a lot to talk
about Let's not waste any time. Philly beats Kansas City
twenty seventeen. Although the deep over the top throw by
Mahomes made it feel kind of closer than it was.
It did feel like in the second half. John Philadelphia
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in my lifetime does a better job at one thing
than any time I've ever seen. If they need a yard,
two yards or three yards between the O line, Hurts
Saquon and some of their sort of counter tight end
rollout moves.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I mean, it's just automatic.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
They are so good and Hurts, you know, let's be honest,
Hurts trailing in the pocket is not my favorite guy
in the league. I don't think that's a specialty. But
I really this is one of those games. There was
never a point. I kept thinking Philadelphia is gonna eventually
wear this team down, and I'm kind of surprised Kansas
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City clawed their way back. What are your basic interpretations
from what you saw?
Speaker 4 (02:05):
You know, I thought, going into that drive where Travis
it hits off his hands and they pick it off
and they take it to the fifty, and I mean
that tackle Josh Simmons running down the field to save
the game. I thought, if Kansas City scored there, now,
I don't know if they could slow down Philly they
had that time, But I mean, you just never know.
With Sakuon and like you said, some big playmakers, they
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were just gonna have to win that game on Guyle toughness,
and it was gonna be if they had pulled that off.
Let's say Kelsey catches it or that doesn't happen and
they score just an incredible championship like metal type game
for them. But they don't have much right now. You know,
Worthy being hurt, Rice being suspended, You know that. I
thought Travis was having a good game until that moment.
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Obviously Patrick missed you know Thornton earlier. Yeah, in that drive,
we ended up hitting him, which might have given them
a little more time. They wouldn't have to force it.
Let's face at Kansas City right now. I expected defensively,
they got shredded last game against her and and Hirts
treaded them in the Super Bowl, so I knew that
they were going to bring it defensively. But offensively, I mean,
they got an old Kelsey Hollywood Brown. I mean their
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running backs are okay, they run hard, but are they
starting on most of the teams in the league.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I mean, I think they'll be fine when they get
Rashi Rice back in four weeks. I think they will.
I think they'll find their way. Denver losing the game
they should have won today, that's a huge break for them.
So I mean that that game ends up being big
for them big.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Well, in Monday night football, someone has to lose between
the Chargers and so you're not they're not running away
with you, I guess yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
But I did.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Feel and you know, Chiefs fans don't want to hear this,
but I felt like Sirianni and Jalen Hurts. Sirianni was
coaching with a lot of confidence, like when they when
they took a lead, his whole thing was, guys, we
can just ground this out. Let's not take any big
I mean, they didn't take one big shot down the
field to Devonte Smith and.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
They hit on that.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
But I felt Philadelphia's kind of felt like, Okay, we're
on the road, we have the better roster, We're.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Gonna grind these guys out in the second half.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
And it was just one of those things, especially after
that interception on the deflection. And let's be honest, if
you have a great coach, great coordinator, spags and a
great quarterback at home after you were humiliated in the
Super Bowl, the game was gonna be close.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
The line was one and a half. It was I
said it Friday on the Herd.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I'm like, guys, it's gonna be a close game late
and Philadelphia will situationally get a key first down or
four and win. So the game kind of looked like
I thought, But I thought Philadelphia I felt in the
fourth quarter John, they felt they had the game. It's
like they brought in a closer in baseball and they
kind of I mean, how many times did they use
the tush push today?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Seven nine, a lot? Well.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Brady mentioned it though on the goal line play where
the two guys jumped off side, they didn't call it,
and that that obviously was a huge play in the game.
I do think the Chiefs they everything they have, they
just don't have much right now. And one elephant in
the room is Kelsey's old Now. Now, granted he was
having a good game relative to what he's been in
the regular season, but man, that play where the dude
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picks it off and takes it to midfield and they
end up scoring was a crippling moment for a team.
This is not the twenty nineteen, twenty twenty twenty twenty
one version they cannot score against. Let's face, they're playing
Vic Fangio, who's one of, if not the best defensive
coordinator in the league, with just a really good defensive personnel, right,
I mean, you see Jordan Davis looks. Look how that
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guy physically looks.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Fantastic.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Obviously, Jalen Carter's one of the best players. You know,
Vaughn all their you know, defensive backs. Mitchell's a really
good player. So that's a tough loss. I mean, that's
that's pretty devastating because you threw everything you had, Your
coaching was at a high level, your quarterback was just
trying to will his way, and you're just still not
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good enough. Right, So you've had two straight weeks, right,
you know, the Eagles are going to be one of
the best teams in the league all season long. The
Chargers obviously, if Herbert's gonna play at that level, they're
gonna be an awesome team. And you've lost two games, right,
it gets really good teams. That's where it's like, you
hope once these guys come back Rice off the suspension.
You know, if Worthy can get healthy, you're just gonna
have to win these games off. Guyle in toughness, but
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eventually you kind of run out of gas, right.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
And Denver's got a better roster. But Denver gave that
game away late today against Indy. Three dumb penalties in
the last four to twenty. So again you get a
break in division, and the Chargers probably beat the Raiders,
So you know, I still contend they're gonna be a
wild card team in this division. They'll be fine. A
game that was hard to watch, but I watched almost
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all of it. Detroit fifty two Bears twenty one. Outside
of Roma Dunze for the Bears, not much worked, you
know I was. And by the way, the Lions they
go for it so not kicking field goals. That's just
who they are. That's Dan Campbell. So you got to
get over that Bears fan. But I got to tell
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you I watched that game today and after the first drive,
take the first drive out last couple of weeks, Bears
have look fine. It's a timing offense and Caleb Williams
does not appear to see the field once he's off script,
and it just becomes ad libbing. It's backyard football. I
don't think this is gonna work. I don't it's the
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second week in a row, the first series. Again, they
dial up. They got about eight to ten plays. It
looks fine, it's very tight, but how many plays can
you script? And then they go off script and he
clearly Caleb doesn't see the field particularly well. And then
then he's flushed out of the pocket.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
He made six seven, eight throws today.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Rolling to his right. He just kind of threw it
up for grabs. A couple were picked, a couple were caught.
But you know, I'm I'm looking at my notes here
and yeah, I just keep writing their ad libbing again
ad libbing. I mean, there's just nothing about it except
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Roma Dunza. You'd feel good by the way Luther Burden
Missouri did he play? Did he suit up Loveland? The
kid from Michigan Courtland Loveland or is it Loveland Cortland.
I forget the Michigan the Michigan tidy. He had no catches,
so I mean, like zero. They have weapons, They've drafted
good players, they can't get them the ball. I think
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this thing could go sideways real fast.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Do you know what I wrote down? I watched two
documentaries in the last week, Billy Joel and Charlie Sheen
and whenever they get married, you could see the divorce
coming from a mile away, especially with Charlie. And in
this situation, I've been saying that from this doesn't just
speak for quarterbacks in the NFL. You could be a
talented player and Caleb, to me is a major question mark.
But we have seen Hall of Fame guys get with
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the wrong coordinator and it not work. Scheme is in basketball,
whatever plays you're running, if I'm a great player, you're
gonna make it work, and I'm not going anywhere that's
not the way football works. Then you factor in. Like
you said, there was an interception he threw today, there
was classic USC He rolls to his right, hero Ball
throws an awful pick. It leads to a touchdown. I
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can't remember if it was fourteen fourteen at the time
or twenty one to fourteen, but it was one of
those plays that show Ben Johnson getting really mad. That
cannot happen. Right. Obviously, there are gonna be plays where
nothing's there. The Lions are gonna be hard to beat
at home. I like the Lions a lot today in
this game, but I didn't expect to see fifty to
twenty or whatever the final score was. But this is
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a this is a marriage that is not meant to be.
Their styles do not mesh up. And we have seen
time and time again that these coordinators with quarterbacks when
I do not pick you. Here's the thing with with
bo Nicks, who threw a bad second half pick. He
played an excellent first half. But Sean Payton is tied
to him. That's his guy. He loved him right. There
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is a like that power of when I draft you,
when I believed in you from before you become an
NFL player, is power that is not Ben Johnson took
this job, maybe intrigued by Caleb, but you see through
two weeks his his mannerisms on the sideline with his face,
and it's that this was an Eberflu's game. I mean,
this was pretty embarrass It's not all Caleb's fault. This
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was not like he was worse last week. But this
is not this This the Bears are a joke.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
You and I've been talking the organization I wrote down
Ryan Poles is this is this roster the most overrated
roster we've heard in that last couple of years. Listen,
the Lions are missing players. From last year and that
looked like Georgia playing col Pally or something.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
It was crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, and it's funny. I remember before Caleb got drafted.
A good friend of mine is Steve Kaime, and I said,
you know, what do you make? Could jump it in
the stands for Caleb Williams with his mom and crying
and the fingernail polish and Steve's not a real judgmental guy.
And Steve was like, don't love it. I'm not to
see he goes. You know, if a guy is talented,
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he's telling he goes. But he's a very emotional player
and he goes, you know, And Steve has taught me
this through the years, Like quarterback is one of those
positions where you really need somebody that's even keel and
puts out fires. Football is an incredibly emotional game, and
as your teammates are getting emotional and the coaches are
getting emotional, you know, when you're on Tom Brady love
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to celebrate, but in the moment of a game, Tom
was very even keel and Caleb's Averia. You can see
his sideline demeanor. He plays with a ton of emotion
and he gets really amped up.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
He also lose.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I think sometimes Caleb loses confidence when I watch him
like his his his accuracy is all over the map.
So that feels like a confidence and mechanics issue. And
I don't know, I just look at it, and I
think this is a this coach wants a certain quarterback stylistically,
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probably much more like Sean Payton, where you can augment
the timing game with I mean bow Nicks and Sean
bow moves. They move the pocket a lot for bo Nicks,
as you should. But there's I sat there today and
my notes are all negative on Chicago.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
There was a couple plays today and I'll take the
l on Jalen Hurts. I never thought in a million
years he would be a functional NFL quarterback, let alone
a super Bowl champion. And we can debate where he
ranks or whatever, but there were a couple of plays
today where Spags brings the entire house and he sits
in there to the last second and he throws his
one on one matchup and he's gonna get just mollywopped,
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and one he hit the smith and I think he
missed another one. But it's just this guy just kind
of knows what he's doing. And he's an athletic ad
lib and theory, but he can play in big spots. Caleb.
When sometimes there's pressure and there's nothing you can do,
you gotta kind of scramble. There are times where it's
just like he's just taken off. For years, Mark Schlarath
was one of the only guys saying everyone acts like
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these offensive linemen and Seattle suck. Maybe some of it.
Russell Wilson, right, and remember he would just run into
sacks and you watch him today when that head goes
down and you just scramble into guys that is quarterback
one on one that the coaches hate, right head down
and his head goes down, and then he moves all
the time like Mahomes, whether he misses or makes the throw,
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his head's always up moving around Jalen Hurts as even Kyler.
Kyler's head is up now he scrambles, probably sometimes at
the wrong time, but his head's up looking to throw.
Caleb just looks in the crown and then it becomes
I this there's no way this is sustainable. Obviously you
start losing like this. But Ben Johnson's not going down with.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
The ship with this guy.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Why because Sean Payton will go down with bo Nicks, right,
Andy Reid will go down with Mahomes. I'm not comparing
those two situations, but my point is I'm all in
on this guy. You can't convince me after a couple
of weeks that Ben Johnson is going to be all
in with this guy for seventeen games.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
It's not possible.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
And they're clearly the worst team in there. Ackers looked
like a juggernaut. We saw the Lions turned out they're
not as bad. Why because the Packers are really good
and we'll see how Minnesota looks tonight. But clearly Minnesota's
just they just beat the Bears, So I mean, they're
just a better operation. The Bears are in major trouble. Guy.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, and I there's a reason in the preseason that
Ben Johnson made a point. I mean, remember we came
on this podcast and we said he was glowing with
Tyson beajon. He's so smart, man, He's having a great camp.
About a week later, they signed him to a very
big backup contract. I think Caleb gets one more start
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and if it's ugly, can Ben come out and go listen,
Caleb's gonna be fine.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
You sell that to the media.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
But he needs a week off, he needs to get
some stuff right. We need to figure out a way
to get this ship going. I could see one more start,
I really could. And then you go to Tyson Beijing.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
I would say you're crazy because once you Ben Sam,
you're done. But we just saw last year. Who knows.
I mean, Bryce Young is any good or not. I
have my reservations at this point, but Panthers just did
it and he was the number one overall pick as well,
So there's precedent in the league of like, hey, you
can bench a guy, bring him back. What are the
Bears going to do? Lose more games? I mean, what
are we talking about at this point? So yeah, I
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would say moving forward, everything's on the table. And if
you're Ben Johnson, like you clearly don't care about feelings.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
The one thing I didn't quite realize. He's wired.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
He's not like a loosey, goosey offensive coach, you know,
like Kevin O'Connell, Sean McVay always smiling like he feels
more like a Shanahan Son like kind of angry, never
smiles like this. This is just it's way. I bet
against it. To jump from the jump. It's way ugler
than I thought. And today was like a referendum not
just on Caleb, the entire organization. I mean Ryan Poles the.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Last Earth I've watched Pennix. I would make a bet
now that he can play. I've watched JJ McCarthy to
some degree, and it helps that he has Kevin O'Connell
and Brian Flores. But he'll be able to play bow knicks,
can play.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Jaden's a star.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Drake May doesn't have a ton of pocket presence, but
again today he moves the chains. I don't think he's great.
I think he needs another year. I mean that's what
they said about Drake May when he came in. He
is unrefined. But it is very possible from what I've seen,
and it's not close. We're going to have five hits
and one miss and the number one guy is going
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to be the worst quarterback in the class.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
I think the thing with Caleb Williams, yeah, I mean
it's sure headed that way right now. I mean he's
a disaster. I don't care what stats you give me
last year. I think when you have that great of
an arm and Caleb has a fantastic arm. I think
sometimes in which is human nature, maybe you struggle to
develop other parts of your game. And the touch on
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his ball, to me, that's glaring, Like he just has
no touch on the ball. And he's one of those
guys that feels like he really struggles to kind of
throw a softball a change up because watching him play,
did you realize he was this good of an athlete
in college? Like he's I knew he could scramble around,
but he's moves really.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Good well in person when you see him his head,
his shoulders, he's six feet tall. He feels when you're
around him like he's six'. Four he is thick and, Powerful.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
And wasn't that the thing with Young Russ wilson's, like, wait,
hey he's got a huge, arm throws a great deep.
Ball But russ had a lot of touch and maybe
it was that it was he a second. Baseman, yeah
he had some feel to. Him and you Watch caleb
like he could not play second. Base that ball would
be chuck knoblock all over the. Place and, that to
me is where you get The Ben johnson stuff is, like,
well a huge part of his offense in his entire
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scheme is touch. Place look At Jared goff, today a
lot of. It IT'S i, mean he threw a couple of,
bombs but it's a lot of just get the ball
out of your hands a couple of, steps throw it
across the, middle hit guys in, stride even if you
miss a little, bit throw up, behind give him a catchable.
Ball caleb throws some balls that Even Randy moss or you,
Know Jared riises their prime would have a problem.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Catch he rolls out a.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
LOT i think You're the one point you made THAT
i really agree with is that he just puts his
head down and he is now a running, back and
then they're just it's just not working. Again Roma dunze
is a very good. Player but Where's Luther, burden this
kid From, MISSOURI i Mean Colston, loveland you, know the
tight end From. Michigan where are? THEY i, mean it's
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just you've got to USE i, Mean i'm watching all
these Bo nix is getting everybody touches for The Denver, Broncos,
franklin The oregon, Kid, mims.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Everybody's the tight.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
ENDS i mean he's spraying the ball. Around everybody's getting.
TOUCHES i mean In, chicago it's, like if you're THE,
gm you've got to be watching this. Thing and, bro
these are good. Players So i'm almost interested in Watching Tyson.
BAGEN i think, OFFENSIVELY i think they actually have some
skill and they're just not they're Not caleb's not equipped
to get them the.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Ball, well look at And i'm sure we'll talk about this.
Game is the thing that stood out to. Me, now
whether they got lucky to win the, game we could
probably argue all day. Long Indianapolis. Colts obviously in a perfect,
world you would get a star.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Quarterback but if.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
You just get me a point, guard they can get
me double digit assists even if he can't score, now
And Daniel jones actually playing pretty well this, year but.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
He's Got they got.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Good, yes they got three or four wide. Receivers they
got this top ten or more in the tight because
he went after. Leveling he was making plays all. Day
they have a star running back and you're watching a
guy just distribute and you're, like this team free physically
gifted on their, skill was, Right but you didn't feel
that With Anthea. Richison because balls are, skipping he's, running
he's getting sacked And Daniel, jones just get it to the,
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bay to the, guys to the. Guys they're just Making.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Baylars ten for. Ten they're their first ten possessions this.
Year and to your, point their roster is. EXCELLENT i
don't Think indy's a great, team but it's a prime
example is they have a good roster and they're using
every player on their roster. Offensive every single one is
contributing a little instant reaction On Baker mayfield and The
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buccaneers coming from behind on a game they could have
lost six different ways and sort of gutted it. Out
between The colts and The broncos yesterday and The buccaneers
and The texans, tonight it shows, you you, know that's
why when fans get worked up and this coach is
a bomb and this player is a, bumb a lot
of this stuff is coin. FLIP i, mean think about,
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tonight The buccaneers have a punt, block they give up
a huge, return but yet Then, houston The texans have
a first and, goal and The, texans it's easier for
them to block a punt and get twenty yard games
From Nick chubb for a touch then pick up two
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at the goal, line and so they just figured Out
baker gets the ball, last and you, know huge, scramble
makes a, play goes seven of nine for sixty five
yards on the final, drive And tampa went. It But
tampa had a disastrous special team's performance at various. Times Mika,
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abuka a great young, receiver dropped what should have been
a huge.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Play down the.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Stretch they struggled in pass protection With Baker. Mayfield but
THE nfl mostly comes down to in close, games who
makes the big plays with under a minute thirty, left
And tampa. Did baker with a huge, Scramble baker with
a couple of, Ropes Bucky irving breaking tackles on that.
Run they just made their big plays the last time
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they got the. Football The texans made several big plays
in the third. Quarter so it's such a go either way.
League BUT i was watching neither. QUARTERBACK i mean, Again
texans are owing To bucks two to, zero and a
lot of it is. Circumstantial tampa's just made big plays
on the road Against, atlanta big plays Against, houston And
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Baker mayfield is a big part of. That AND i
was thinking about this.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
TODAY i was writing this down going into this.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Game BECAUSE i think. C. J stroud And Baker mayfield
both have gotten their teams into the. Playoffs think about.
This i'm going to name the quarterbacks right now that
are capable of winning double digit games or getting to the. Playoffs,
Mahomes Josh, Allen Lamar, burrow C. J, Stroud, Baker Herbert, Goff,
Hertz Dax, Stafford Jordan, Love, Kyler, Murray Gino, Smith Aaron,
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Rodgers Sam, Darnold, Bownicks Jaden, Daniels brought Perty, t who
has been a pro, Bowler Trevor, lawrence you know he
did get his team and won a playoff. Game that's
twenty one quarterbacks in thirty two. Teams i'm not Counting Mac,
Jones Daniel jones Or Russell, wilson who had great games
yesterday when they have the right coach and the right.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Fit i'm not.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Counting Michael pennix or Cam ward Or drake may WHO
i think are going to make it in this.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
League i'm not.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Counting Caleb williams OR jj, McCarthy Who i'm not sure
of at this moment in. Time caleb's certainly talented. Enough
but total between all those quarterbacks twenty. Eight so there's
a lot of guys that can spit it in this.
League but it comes down TO i Mean buccaneers go
on the, road, punts, blocked returns, SURRENDERED i mean dropped, passes,
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sacks multiple. Sacks Baker mayfield was a pinata for a couple,
series and they figure out how to win. Games and
it's just like The Denver colts game had to go
either way. Game there's an ify sketchy call by the.
Official Shane steichen does actually a poor job coaching on
that final. Drive he admits it after that he got
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two conservative but they get an officiating break and they.
Win and by the, way they made a great interception
on bow knicks in the fourth. Quarter so The colts
also had several big. Plays offensive Lead Daniel jones was
hummon at key moments in that. Game but so much
of this game it's just coaching and quarterback play and
who gets the ball last and who makes the last
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big play in a. Game AND i know, YOU i
think you THINK i don't Like Baker, mayfield BUT i
do think the offensive coaching is the best it's ever.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Been in my.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Life and that's why you're Seeing Geno smith And Sam
donald And Baker mayfield And Mac jones yesterday that was
the best Game Mac jones has ever.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Played, well It's Kyle.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Shanahan so the offensive coaching in this league is really
spectacular right. Now and what it allows is for quarterbacks
who may fail in their first organization that Eventually Baker
mayfield goes to The rams and then he goes To
Tampa bay and eventually he finds his. Way And Sam
donald goes To caroline and The. Jets then he goes
To San, francisco understands the. System kevin O'Connell likes. Him
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now he's In seattle and he's gonna win a lot
more games In. Seattle so, eventually the the message is
in THE, nfl if you're talented, enough you will find
a good offensive coach or a great. Situation tampa is
perfect For, baker you, know It's tampa's a little bit
of a pirate ship and ebor city and a little
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bit of a rebel and an outcast. City it can
be a party, town it can be a retirement. Place
but it's always been With jason light THE Gm they've
got tons of, Talent they've always had, talent but until
they Got Tom brady and Then. Baker they couldn't get
the quarterback. Right you, Know Brad johnson won A Super,
bowl but it was a stacked. Roster But tampa's got.
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Players they've won their, division what two three years in a,
row and GOOD, gm good quarterback, play and they've kind
of now feel like they're in control of this. Division
SO i picked them to win this. Division and you
know it comes down to if you give me the
best quarterback in a, DIVISION.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I like my chances to make it into the.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Playoffs But Kansas city With mahomes is eventually probably going
to get His Xavier worthy, Healthy Rashi rice will come.
Back they'll figure out a way to win ten games
and get into the. Playoffs they're too good, defensively too
good of a, coach too good of a defensive. Coordinator
mahomes is due. Talented they'll figure out how to win ten.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Games but you, know AS i watched this, game it
could drive you sports. Better is.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
CRAZY i LIKED i actually Like houston tonight so AND
i thought they had it with two huge specialty teams.
Plays they earned both of. Them legitimate block, punt great.
Return the referees picked up the, flag But baker gets
the ball last and has got all sorts of weapons In,
Tampa Chris godwin wasn't. Available he's been banged up throughout his,
(26:42):
career and SO i get ready For raiders and The chargers.
Tonight you know the other, THING i got a couple
of texts after my show today from people in The
National Football league in the front, office and they were
agreeing with me on my take today about. Quarterbacks Mike
sandel also wrote an article about. This Justin field is
banged up again And Joe burrow is banged up. Again
(27:04):
it's not that they deserve to be, hurt but there
is a skill To brady And Eli manning and CERTAIN
nfl players staying. Healthy, now some guys Like Josh allen
are just simply bigger and can take more or more
Durable but Even Big ben And Cam, newton who are
huge men like six' five two fifty five six six two,
(27:26):
Sixty Five big ben aged. Very Quickly cam newton. Aged
overnight why they took too, many hits And So josh
allen similarly gets, beat UP and i worry about that
could age. Him now he does have a great. Left
tackle they have Now With james cook developed a, run
game and so they're not as reliant on and they
actually run more statistically if you look at, the data
(27:49):
then people would think With. The bills but some of
this is just you've got to know. Your body, You Know,
baker mayfield who, like tonight, you know there's a couple
Of times baker's a great. Core back if he give
him two and a half seconds and let him plant his,
right foot he throws a beautiful ball for The RECORD.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Soda. Cj stroud baker throws a beautiful ball when it.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Breaks down baker plays with so much confidence and so
much emotion when the, you know the pass blocking. Breaks
Down sometimes baker extends a play, and SHOULDN'T and i
think that's just it's a. Little RECKLESS but i think that's.
His personality, You know baker is, you know he's a
full back that. Plays quarterback he's a linebacker that. Plays
(28:30):
quarterback he likes the physicality of. The sport but even
as big and Strong As andrew, luck was it just takes.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Its TOLL so i.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Really do believe there is a skill in this league
just staying on. The Field eli manning was the master
of just letting go of the ball getting rid. Of
it and there's also players think, how big strong And
Physical anthony richardson was For, the colts but he couldn't
get the pre snap. Stuff down he couldn't spot blitzes
and would get just hammered two or three times. A
(29:00):
game and despite, His Size anthony richardson was dinged up.
A Lot justin fields is, a, big athletic. Twitchy athlete
he gets banged up. A lot, so Listen the bengals
are a cheap organization that you spend more on the.
OFFENSIVE line i mean, To me i've always looked at
it like your quarterback Is. Your bentley the offensive line
(29:21):
is the. Insurance policy you wouldn't own a beautiful car
without an. Insurance policy so it's the most important unit
on the field is protecting, your asset, the franchise. The
Quarterback since naty can't figure, that out so it's just
time and. Time again you kind of roll your eyes At.
The bengals but some of it is, on Quarterbacks not
(29:43):
sometimes you gotta just let a play end and move
on to the. Next play and it's very hard for
Guys Like baker mayfield who are super. Hyper competitive he's
just Trying to he's squeezing every ounce of talent out of.
His Frame but BAKER and i just took some shots
that he should. Not take because this Team in tampa's
(30:06):
got a pretty good. Defensive front they have some. Nice
weapons But if baker's, not playing they're not a. Playoff
team baker is, a, huge huge the most important part
of them dominating that division the last. Several years and by,
the way coaches also get. Second Chances todd Bowles In
new york didn't feel he quite he wasn't quite ready
to be a. Head coach he's done a great Job.
(30:27):
In tampa they always come, with surprises always make.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Big plays they just had a really bad night in.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Special Teams but tampa wins at twenty, to nineteen and
that IS. The nfl look At the buccaneers first. Two
games they could be zero. And two they're two. To
zero they got, the quarterback they made a couple of key.
Situational plays they have played completely, imperfect football And the
bucks are two to zero with two very. Narrow wins,
(30:57):
All Right josh pate. Joining us he cuts through like
nobody else with. College, football obviously Host Of Josh Page College,
football show which. Is FANTASTIC so i got into this
discussion the. Other day i'm known AS a, usc homer
SO and i lean into IT because i think it's obnoxious.
And funny, but whatever we all have our team or
(31:18):
our region. Or WHATEVER and i was talking to a
friend the other day WHO'S A, ucla BRUIN and, I
said i just. DON'T think i DON'T think ucla is a.
GOOD job i think it's one of those where it
sounds like it should. Be good, you're, like oh there's
a lot of money In, bel air but it's an.
INTERNATIONAL university nil punishes college. Football programs you. Can make
(31:44):
you can be a top ten college basketball program with
about four million a year in college basketball if you're
not at sixteen, to eighteen which is where USC's. AT now,
i mean there's a reason USC's defensive front. Looks better
they bottom line. Of it so my TAKE with ucla
is they are bottom half Of the big TEN in
(32:06):
nil because it's In. Bel, air josh you can't really
and it's a. Public university your coaches have to drive
forty five minutes or an hour. TO work i don't
think it's a. GOOD job i do not think it's a.
GOOD job i WOULD if i was, AN agent i
would not send my best. CLIENTS there i don't think
it has a. Huge brand you tell me you Live.
(32:28):
IN nashville i spent eight nine Years In. LOS angeles
i don't think it's A good i don't think it's
A good i don't think it's a top thirty college.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
FOOTBALL job i would.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
GO further i don't think it's top. Forty five like
you're talking ABOUT multiple g five jobs that are BETTER
than UCLA. And i when we, Say that by, THE
way i know people who don't live in this world
and who don't immerse themselves, in it they almost think
you have an ax, to grind like you just, Talked,
about oh that's. Usc, moriism, WELL dude i grew Up In, Harris,
county GEORGIA so i got no dog in. This fight
(33:01):
i'm just telling YOU what, i PERCEIVE but i could.
Be wrong so then you ask around and you ask.
Forget agents yet of course agents are echoing that.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
To.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
ME colin i just go. To COACHES when i see
a coach's name and the running for, These jobs i'll
just go to the Coach and i'll, ask him and
they'll usually shoot straight, with YOU and i just think
Probably even i've been a little taken back by how
many people who in a previous lifetime we would look
at it the job, they're at and you, would, think
(33:30):
oh it's a slam, dunk yees he can GET the.
Ucla job he's going to. Take it that in the
modern day look at it, and, say dude there's. No
way and we're not just talking about, head Coaches like i'm,
telling you there are coordinators. Out there there are prettyhigh
level coordinators out there that would not leave where they
are right now FOR the. Ucla job and you mentioned
it's bottom half Of the. Big ten well that's in.
(33:53):
A vacuum, so yes it's bottom Half of big ten.
In vacuum but then like, you said when you, factor,
in hey if you Take the, ENDIANA job i mean
you could Do like signity and blow. It up but
even if it's Not what signitti has, made it you're
going to Live, In bloomington indiana. Very affordable so you're
asking me to go take a bottom. Half job you're
going asking me to be distant second in my. Own
(34:13):
town you're asking me to be second on my own
campus when it comes to the. Athletic department you're asking
me to take over a place WHERE the nil infrastructure is.
Really discombobulated they're not fractionally as put together in football
as they are for basketball there and you're, asking me by,
the way to compete with superpower Programs Like oregon Right
(34:33):
And ohio State And penn State. And michigan THERE'S just
i don't have much good to say. ABOUT it I
wish i. WAS wrong i wish you.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Were wrong.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
We're, NOT yeah I mean i and the football stadium's
forty five minutes.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
OFF campus i.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Think there was a time when you could you could.
Get away there was a time when It Was terry
donahue And then Dick for meal and it would GET
on abc and it was part of the packs and
there was something to be Said about you're playing In
The rose bowl and the weather was cold, everywhere else
and now, you're, like oh it's WARM. In UCLA like
(35:08):
i could see a quarterback or, wide receivers and they
do put guys IN. The NFL but i think there
was a Moment When chip, Kelly said i'd rather go
be a coordinator At A big ten school than the COACH,
Of ucla and, to me, it's, like oh that's the
tipping Point because, chip knows, You, Know chip chip's Coached,
At oregon he's coached AT. The nfl, he's, like, No
(35:30):
yeah I'M and I. Know chip chip was at my sixtieth.
Birthday party Chip. Likes la chip and his Wife. Love
la it's not that he's not.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
An outsider so, you know. IT'S funny i said, YEARS
ago i. FELT this i don't feel.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
IT anymore, i said, YEARS ago i Thought the, TEXAS job,
i said take away the top three quarterbacks IN, the
nfl whoever, has those and they're in. Their prime those
are the best football Jobs. In America, Kansas, City. Buffalo baltimore,
you know those are the. Best jobs you HAVE an,
nfl pension your coaches, don't leave you don't have to.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Recruit PLAYERS but i always said Fourth.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Is texas AND and i as we talk about what
kind of job, IT is i, always Think like texas
is the best, College Job, Ohio. State georgia then we,
can Argue Like, notre dame there's an. Academic umbrella it's
kind of, you know it's it's in the middle, of
nowhere it's, you know, it's small, it's private. BAD weather,
(36:35):
i mean my wife wouldn't be overjoyed to Move to South.
And indiana like all, Things CONSIDERED if i said to
you top, FIVE jobs i want you to, consider pressure,
pay conference. Geographic Location. Remember oregon, you know as, an
outsider if you don't have a lot of players in,
your state you generally don't have a. Good Program phil knight.
(36:56):
Changes that california. Changes IT if i said to you top,
five programs all, things considered where Are.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
You you are going To think i'm joking, With You
but kentucky football would be the JOB that i would want.
To Take mark stoops makes close to ten million dollars.
A year the goal there is to win. Seven Games Jif,
burl kentucky you can be. There forever he's got a
massive buyout and unlike a lot of these, other guys
he is the only place where YOU blend sec PAYSCALE without.
(37:27):
SEC pressure i can't believe people don't Look At mark
stoops and say that guy figured. It, out now if
you do want to compete for a, national championship the
answer Is the University. Of georgia georgia has long Been
THAT and i Remember when saban Was, at alabama and
everyone would Look at saban and is he going to Go?
To TEXAS but i remember, someone, saying No forget Saban, to, texas,
(37:51):
like yeah if he were to take, that job it
would Suck, for alabama but hit do probably the same Thing.
At TEXAS he's i don't think you could dominate much
More than saban Did. At alabama but what people kept
saying was you need to be paying attention to what Happens.
With georgia this was Like The Mark rick. Georgia, Era
yeah georgia for a. LONG time i grew. Up there
for a. Long time georgia like good was the enemy,
(38:13):
of great and they were. Just good it was. Pretty
good it was kind. Of, Good yeah and there was
this like. Nether region there were never bad enough for
a firing, to happen they were never good enough to win.
A title and the rest OF the sec was so
Happy with georgia being. Like that and finally it got
to a. TIPPING point i Really think saban and to,
An Extent urban meyer turned the heat up IN the
(38:34):
sec enough To where georgia made. A move And then
georgia went And Got nick saban's Guy And kirby smart
and the day They. Hired smart there's no guarantees in.
This WORLD but i thought, to myself if that is
the guy that Can replicate saban's model or come roughly close,
to it if you tip those ingredients and you throw Them, In,
ATHENS georgia i just thought it was a, powder keg
(38:54):
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listen to the interviews, you Read The Paul bear bryant
quotes when he Was at bama of hoping no one
ever Figures out florida because if anyone ever figured Out
the University, of florida then they'd be a monster to.
Deal With, so KENTUCKY if i don't want to win, A,
title GEORGIA if i do want to win, a title
(39:15):
would be my. Two, Answers.
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Colorado Illinois, New, Jersey, Ohio. TENNESSEE virginia I Like. Brian kelly,
I'VE said i remember when urban melted down with a Media,
in Florida and i've. Seen it college basketball coaches. Do
(41:17):
It and, i've said, you know you don't see it
IN the nfl much because you're in a. Big city
the media is, tough everywhere and you also have an
owner above you that you don't want to embarrass. The
franchise but in, college football the coach is often the
highest paid. State employee you can really. Control practice the
media is, small town so you get into kind of
this kind of power vacuum where you kind of are
(41:38):
the biggest guy in the state and you kind of
get into. Your Ego and brian was got very tribal
and protective and.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
It, you know he doesn't have.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
A natty it took him a while to get. It
rolling there was the incident where the student died. On,
campus like there's a lot of stuff Here With. Brian
kelly he's not always the. Most likable there was The
fake southern accent or whatever. It IS but i still
CONTEND that i don't know if he has the relentless
(42:09):
recruiting energy he used.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
TO do.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
I Like, brian KELLY but I but i found the
media historically. Plays favorites. For years they were tough, on
Hardball and i'd, be, like guys he Got The, SUPER
bowl i know How bad. Stanford was he. Can coach
take a. DEEP breath I Think brian kelly's a top.
Twelve COACH am? I misguided is nobody yet buys him
(42:34):
IN the SEC because lsu has been when they have the,
right coach. THEY'RE great i, don't know how what do
you if you had to grade HIM, at lsu where
would you.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
BE ABOUT a B minus b minus? TO be, i,
think look, FIRST off I love bk, as well so
he's never rubbed me the. Wrong WAY we, I mean
i've gotten along great. WITH him i think that he walked,
in THERE like i told you twenty, minutes ago and
there is always in a very very unique connection culturally
(43:03):
just the Fabric of LOUISIANA and lsu FOOTBALL that i
don't think you can fully appreciate it unless you've been
down there for a.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Long time, THAT'S right i. Totally agree and.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
He walked in and, His, ATTITUDE frankly i can't blame
him for HAVING because I think i would have been
the same WAY if i, WERE him i would have
walked in, and, Said Basically I'm. BRIAN kelly i Know what.
I'M doing i know what the formula to. Win is
and contrary to what you, people think the formula to
Win In south bend is the same as it. Is
here get, good players develop them by into the process
(43:32):
we define. Around here and. Will WIN and i think
he Heard, about Louisiana this louisiana that to the point
where he almost wanted to prove. A point AND when
i tell you He flushed louisiana out of, THAT building
i mean some people that it wouldn't have mattered whether
they stayed or went. Desk, receptionist no You're from. Thibodeau
by so he flushed that Place. Of, louisiana now it
(43:53):
wouldn't have mattered if they, won immediately but. They didn't
and because, they didn't in turn and culturally, down there
that's been held over. His head Now, on saturdays they're fully,
behind him, All right in, recruiting weekends they're fully. Behind
him but there are a lot of people. THAT haven't
i told you so Attitude Towards Brian kelly yea his,
own state because he did that, well organizationally, university wise
(44:17):
they course. CORRECTED collectively i don't really think that decision
was entirely on. His plate if you Get what i'm,
saying right, you know You Bring blake baker down there
as your, defensive coordinator You Bring austin thomas in AS.
Your gm these are people you cut them open and
it's purple. And goal and not, only that they're the
best in, the world some of the best in the
world at what. They do and it's no COINCIDENCE that
(44:38):
lsu you all of a sudden right. Feel it you can.
Sense it you could have sensed it in.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Their defense their defense looks like big, boy defense, LIKE like,
i mean that.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Was the thing. Last year they.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Were atrocious so, TO me i never Worried about, brian's
OFFENSES like i think he'll always figure. Those out he's rough.
On Quarterbacks But i'll SU's defense Is like georgia when
you got the. Right coach it's JUST all. Nfl players
it's eleven guys who will eventually plan That.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
On, sunday yeah which was shocking that You Have jaden
daniels there a couple of. Years ago and if you
TOLD me lsu was gonna Have A heisman trophy caliber quarterback,
COME through i just Blindly say national championship might tell
me who the. COACH is, I mean i'm rolling out
of top twenty five defense if my MOM'S the dc
there as long as you're keeping in state kids. In
state so for that to have failed them was. Mind
(45:29):
boggling it's Just like mario not being able to stop
anything last Year at Miami With. Cam wore. It's crazy
so it's funny that we've talked about THIS because i
feel there's a very very closely correlated story that's been
told over the past few years in college Football About
brian Kelly And. Lincoln, riley ironically the whispers, were, Initially
(45:50):
oh lincoln may TAKE the. Lsu, job well then he
winds UP. At usc SO then lsu goes And Gets,
brian kelly and they both had the wrong defensive coordinators at,
the outset and then they both corrected and now they're
both massively. IMPROVED defensively i just feel like the story
arc is headed for a playoff matchup. ONE day i
just FEEL LIKE usc lsu. One DAY but i do agree,
(46:12):
with you AND it's i don't think it's something that
will really be appreciated by them unless he wins the
national championship there because everybody else this millennium has who's
been the head COACH. At, LSU yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
I Mean Listen, ed orgeron who's a very. FUNNY guy.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
I love ed does not consider, a schematic, you know
kingpin of.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
The sport he's. A recruiter i mean FOR years i
thought he was more of.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
A, position coach like a line coach than even. A
coordinator broke his heart when he didn't GET the, usc
job AND then i would argue TODAY that lsu Team
with burrows the Most talented i've ever. Seen period end.
Of STORY so i mean they had the, hardest schedule won.
Every game So if ed can, do it and that's
not a knock LIKE he's I mean ed would be
(46:57):
the first To Admit ed ed never schedule a.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Bad. Time ed ed was, a, distracted funny. Great GUY
but I think brian's too good of.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
A coach THE older, I get i tend to just
look at people AND if i have to hire somebody
or something at, the volume hire. Smart people they'll figure,
it out is. My RULE and I think brian.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
It took him. A while i mean it just it took.
A while he couldn't get the.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Accent down BUT eventually i think three years, in, LIKE
oh i feel like they figured.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
It, Out yeah they're one of The teams i'm looking
most forward to. Watching HERE the sec is just going
to be a bloodbath by the end of, this thing
and they're one that you Know the clemson game goes
the way. IT does i was actually glad this week
he Publicized The garrett nusmeyer injury because it's kind of
been whispered about In the south That nuss meyer had
injury leading up To that week one Game, against clemson
(47:50):
like an, abdominal thing never. Got publicized and they they
go and win on, the road and then they were
very Lackluster in week two against an, inferior opponent And then,
Week three lagway turns the ball over five TIMES and
lsu wins twenty, to ten and you can, clearly, tell hey.
We're undefeated something feels a little, Off, offensively well your quarterback's,
been hurt that's what's. Been off here's, the, thing though
(48:13):
there are teams with healthy quarterbacks that are one and
two right now and you're three. To zero that's the
surest sign the defense.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Is fixed
Speaker 1 (48:23):
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