October 18, 2025 • 57 mins
Colin’s top takes of the week.
First, he reacts to the Bears last second win over the Commanders and the Bills FLOP against the Falcons during the MNF double header.
Then, he’s joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to break down the NFL Sunday slate.
They laud Baker Mayfield’s performance for the Bucs and Colin argues he should be frontrunner for MVP. Colin calls the Jets coaching the “worst he’s ever seen” after their debacle against Denver, and they rip the disaster that is the Miami Dolphins.
Finally, Colin is joined by Cowboys insider and Fox Sports columnist Matt Mosley to discuss the surprisingly hot start for Dak Prescott and the Cowboys offense, whether the Micah Parsons was the right long-term move, and whether Jerry Jones should hire Bill Belichick
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. Now it's time for this week's Redeem Team member,
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having a rough Week one. On Monday, Jake got redemption
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all right, instant reaction listen. The Bears won twenty five
twenty four. It's a road win for the Chicago Bears,
and they just don't do that very much. So they
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beat the Raiders on the road right with a block kick,
and they beat Washington despite a three to zero turnover advantage.
They needed a Jake Moody thirty eight yard field goal
to win. I mean, here's all the positives. The Bears
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offensive line did a great job tonight creating massive running
lanes for DeAndre Swift. DeAndre Swift was the star of
the show. Had over one hundred and sixty total yards,
could have been about one hundred and seventy and a touchdown.
You know, Caleb Williams was good enough, still misses too
many throws she got him make in the NFL consistently,
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He's not as accurate as Jaden Daniels, but he didn't
make that big mistake or two that Jayden Daniels did,
including that late fumble where Washington was going for the win.
And you know what I mean, that's the NFL. You
can't make mistakes these three four or five minute left,
these big drives, that's the game. Justin Herbert makes a
big play or Baker Mayfield makes a big play and
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you win these games. When a quarterback like Jaden Daniels
gets a bad handle, you lose those games. And the
Bears defense pounced on it. Montee Sweat created a fumble early,
getting a big hand in there and punching the ball out.
So I thought, overall, there were so many positives. Again,
this is a franchise that can't win on the road,
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that hasn't had a quarterback throw for four thousand yards
and to go on the road. The Bears had much
better energy in this game, especially in the first half.
I mean, Chicago came out thirteen to nothing lead, totally
dialed in. You know you're disappointed because you're settling for
field goals. You go on the road, big spot, standalone game.
Bears don't win these games. That's not a game the
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Bears win. So you just take it. You take the
twenty five twenty four win. You know, Jake Moody as
a kick blocked. Otherwise you'd kind of thought it was
you know, most of the time thirty eight yards, You're like,
it's good. But you know, he kicked a ball low,
very low directory and it got blocked. And Jake Moody's
history in San Francisco was at best spotty. So there's
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a lot of drama at the end, but there's so
many good things to take out of this. The run game,
there were a huge, huge holes all night. I thought
Ben Johnson's play calling a couple of really nice screens
dialed up in crucial situations. Bears had too many penalties,
Bears weren't great on third down. But it's the road.
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You know, again, Ben and Caleb have played together, you know,
have six games together. You're winning. I mean, just you
won the game, and you know it was Washington that
made the crucial mistakes, the crucial you know, red zone pick,
the the fumble. It was Washington making those mistakes. Jayden
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Daniels almost pulled it out. He's a tremendous player. Accurate,
you know, he's just kind of a naturally accurate. Drake
May's got that. Drake May is just a naturally accurate
thrower to the football. Justin Herbert has that, and some
guys do and some guys labor over it a little
bit more. Mahomes is largely very accurate. Not everybody is.
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It takes work for some guys. They got to get
their mechanics cleaned up. But you just get so much
horsepower and so much talent with Caleb. But you know,
he's going to be a sixty four percent completion guy.
Maybe he's not going to be a sixty eight percent
completion guy, but he made some nice throws over the
middle of the field, which is tough for young quarterbacks.
But I was just kind of blown away by the
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first half energy of the Bears. Three turnovers advantage, really
aggressive defense and what can you say about the offensive line?
And that's about as good an effort on the road
for the Bears offensive line. I mean, it just they
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haven't had a lot of them, but you know, they
went and got Tooney and Drew Dolman and Jonah Jackson,
and it felt like it's starting to pay dividends. It
feels like that offensive line they spent some real money
on it. You know, my rule in the NFL is
find your quarterback, hire a great coach, find your quarterback,
and protect your quarterback. Then eventually go get a defensive
lineman that disrupts theirs. Overall. I just thought, you just don't.
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You can't gripe too much. Road wind bears, better energy,
better consistent run game, fewer mistakes. You can live with
the penalties. Again, some of the operational stuff it was,
it was better. How about that. I've used that word
a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
You just take it.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
You don't. You don't worry about the margins too much.
You know, you watch the NFL. I watched the NFL.
They're just those games. Like Denver was awful against the Jets.
They won. Fly home from London.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Great.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Now you get to go home and play the New
York Giants. Hate it. You just take that. Seattle should
have wrapped up their game with Jacksonville earlier. They didn't.
They won five hour flight home, thanks for flying United.
So that's going to be a nice Bears flight home.
The other thing about Chicago this year, you know, with
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Matt Eberflus, they just couldn't score in the first quarter.
And I think, I think now and like, if you
take a lead in the NFL, I don't know what
the number is. I think it's like sixty three percent,
sixty five percent, the team that scores first wins. And
you know, they're just a much better opening drive team,
They're a much better first quarter team. They're not playing
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from behind, and I felt like this entire game, Chicago
deserved to win. I mean, what was that hokey call
or the left tackle he was lined up too far back?
I mean, that's that that felt that's a weak call.
I mean to me, when it comes to officiating, stuff
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is either either clear and definitive or don't blow the whistle.
It's absolute, it's clear, it's definitive, or don't blow it.
When you're looking at a still shot or replay and
the replay official for ESPN can't can't decipher it, can't
figure it out, just save it, just get out of
the way of the game. So I think you you know,
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I'm looking over all my notes here for the Bears.
I'd like to see a little bit more Loveland and
Luther Burden. I kind of feel like they're lost in
the offense. DJ Morgot looks, but he got banged up.
You know, it's just one of those things. You know,
Burden and Love learned young, and Calebs knows, you know,
he knows his guys. You know, he's familiar with some
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of these older players. So there's a lot of moving
parts here. You got a couple of rookies, you got
new offensive lineman, you got a new coach. You know,
I think we just have to you got to kind
of accept like there's just a lot of moving parts
for the Bears. The bye week helped. I mean, I
think you saw the bye week, the advantage of it
with an offensive coach, just big, big Bears energy. I mean,
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they really give Ben Johnson and the staff credit. They
came out air on fire, Elmeut's on fire and the
Bears win twenty five to twenty four. Jake Moody, who
knew so the Atlanta Falcons in the game finish before
the Bears commander's game was finished, beat Buffalo twenty four
to fourteen. You know, my takeaway is Buffalo's defense doesn't
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have a playmaker. Michael Pennix looked comfortable. I mean twenty
of thirty two two hundred and fifty yards, Bjean Robinson
average nine yards of carry, Drake London had ten catches,
a touchdown, sixteen yards of catch. Bottom line, when you
come into a game and you were looking for Pennix
to be comfortable. Was Drake London to have a big night.
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Was Bjean Robinson to deliver a couple big plays? Did
Buffalo's got two problems? Mike Vrabel has been coaching the
Patriots in six games. He's already in first place. What
does that tell you? Sean McDermott has had Josh Allen
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for all these years and there's always a hole in
the team. I mean McDermott solid, but I mean Mike
Vrabel with Drake May, who's still sort of refining his
craft walk in, they're already in first place. And I
just feel like Mike Michael Pennix was comfortable Drake May
back to back losses, he was comfortable. So and you know,
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when you pay the quarterback big money, you have to
you're going to have weaknesses. But any read tends to
solve and find ways to solve the weaknesses. I mean,
Sean McDermott, you know, outside of the opening drive, they
don't have enough of a receiving arsenal. You know, they
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just don't again what they fall behind after the opening drive.
The offense sputters. Josh Allen has a couple of turnovers.
They're not generating things on the perimeter. Their pass rush
is hit and miss. Mike Pennix looks like Michael Penix
looks like another hit for a young quarterback. He throws
a beautiful boy. I always said he was a bigger
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stronger to a just a bigger stronger arm. Helps that
he's playing in a dome. I mean, I you know,
it's easier to quarterback, for a young quarterback to be
in you know, dome weather warm weather than cold weather.
But Pennix with time to throw, dialed it up tonight.
I mean, Drake Lonnon was doing whatever he wanted to do.
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Bijon Robinson had that huge longest run from scrimmage this year.
So I just I mean, listen, I always have a rule,
turn the sound off and watch the game. Buffalo outside
of Josh Allen does not look intimidating. Their perimeter weapons average,
secondary average, pass rushes kind of hit and miss. And
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you know, I'm watching guys like Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan,
Like Kyle Shanahan's lost almost all his major weapons and
they're winning or going toe to toe with Tampa. And
I'm watching Jim Harball with a third string running back
and three offensive linemen go on the road and win late.
And here sham Dermott going down to quirky, inconsistent Atlanta
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and the Falcons offensively kind of did what they wanted to.
I mean, you know, the game plan was get it
to Drake London and let's get Bijon Robinson cooking. Let
me look at the total yards for the Falcons. Here
the Falcons at four hundred and forty three yards, six
point seven yards of play, twenty two first downs, win
time of possession. I mean, it's it's I mean even
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Josh Allen and the Bills had more penalties than young
Michael Pennix. So I mean, I think there's these markets
that you know, like a Pittsburgh or a Buffalo, they
don't like firing their coaches. You know, they're loyal sometimes
to a fault, but you know, it creates continuity, and
that's always a pretty good thing. You don't want to
be the Jets and the Giants running through gms and coaches.
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I guess, but I watched Buffalo after watching Kansas City
the last couple of weeks. Buffalo's not competing with Kansas City.
Kansas City's offense once they get Rashi Rice back, I mean,
they're scoring thirty one a game now again, and you
know competition. I mean, Detroit is a really good football
team up and down the field. Buffalo's not stopping that.
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I mean, just turn the sound down and watch Buffalo
take out Josh Allen. You just there's not enough weapons,
and now they're losing the good teams. New England's a
good team. New England feels like a playoff team lost
at home. You know, Atlanta may not be a playoff team.
Almost at five hundred yards totally, Michael Pennix was totally comfortable. So,
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I mean, these windows, you know, there was about a
two or three year window with Buffalo when they were
you know, they were paying Josh, but they still had
a pretty good secondary and maybe it's closed, but they
just they don't look like Kansas City. They don't have
the roster Detroit or Philadelphia. I don't know if I
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was a Buffalo Bills fan. New stadium will be cool,
but it feels like Mike Rabel and the Patriots in
six games, they've taken back the division. I mean, that's discouraging,
is it not. And again, Sean McDermott's capable, but I
just kind of feel like Andy Reid does a much
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better job to solve the offensive line issues, or the
run game issues, or the wide receiver issues. The entire
league is about solving problems because of the salary cap.
Nobody's got a perfect team. And when you get a
perfect roster like Philadelphia, no, you don't get the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
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the seventy Steelers were a perfect team. Joe Montana's Niners.
Not a lot of holes. Everybody's got an issue, everybody
does Buffalo just I mean, are they a top ten
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Bay thirty, San Francisco nineteen. Right now, Baker Mayfield, think
about this. They averaged seven point three yards of play.
No Mike Evans, no Chris Godwin. If Buka gets hurt,
no Bucky Irving. The leading pass catcher was Cayotton, who,
by the way, is a nice tight end out of Washington.
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Stirling Shepherd, Tes Johnson, Tess had a great catch. I mean,
I think Baker has to be your MVP at this point.
I mean, he had, he had a we had a magical, emotional,
magical scramble for a first down. I mean, listen, San
Francisco's all beat up, but I mean Tampa's going to
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Seattle and winning. Tampa's in the Bay and winning. I
think they're as good as anybody in the league right now.
I think Baker's my MVP.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah to me, I mean they're ceiling rests on those
guys being healthy because if they are healthy, they'd have
a chance to meet anybody because their offense. I mean,
how potent would be with those three wide receivers. Pretty
incredible story. I mean, the Cleveland Browns, who have that
long history of having a million quarterbacks, finally get a
guy and draft him number one overall and John Dorsey
was right, but it didn't quite look right immediately. And
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now he's fulfilling like I'm the number one overall quarterback.
The farving qualities, the moxie, the passes. Colin last year,
I was like, you know, Baker Mayfield's a really good player.
This guy's like a top ten quarterback to right now,
he's one of the best players in the league, like
MVP or not. I mean, he's just on a weekly basis,
one of the best players in the league. And for
a smaller quarterback, he's an excellent pocket passer. Great feels
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like he has no trouble seeing I don't know if
he finds angles. Maybe it's just some instinctive quality that
he has. I mean, you know, Purty who didn't play today,
it's another smaller quarterback struggles little bit throw over the
middle of the field. Obviously Baker's arm strength. Yeah, he's
just playing at an elite level. I mean he's twenty
five to one colin to start the season, and I
look before this, I think, like Thursday Friday, he was
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down eight to one. I would imagine he will continue
to rise up into the Josh Allen category as the
season goes.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
So I when I picked the Niners, despite an easier
than average schedule, to finish second or third in their division,
I said, I'll take the Rams and the Seahawks to
win the division. I said, I love the coach. Curty's
good enough. This is an old, brittle roster. You looked
it up today. How much money is not playing right
now due to injury.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Well, they gave three contracts this offseason, Bruckberty, you know
in guarantee money. Guaranteed money, got one hundred and eighty
million dollars. He's played two games and then is injured
now and who knows when he's coming back. They gave
Fred Warner and George Kittle a combined ninety six million dollars,
so a total of two hundred and seventy seven million
dollars and obviously Fred Warner to day shatters his ankle.
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Kittle has been out since early on in that first game.
And Purty again, if you told me over under right now,
does he played five games this season? I probably take
the under. So they gave two hundred and seventy seven
million dollars too. I mean two Hall of famers and
Warner and Kittle and they're starting quarterback and none of
them like, you just can't overcome that. Colen, and that's
not even counting I mean Nick Bosa, who you know,
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when he's healthy and playing like he was this season,
one of the best players in the league. Uh, it
was gone. So what aux nowhere to be found? Ricky Piersoll,
who looked excellent early in the season, has just gone
injured knee Like I've never seen anything like this on
a weekly basis. Did the constant Just guy's careers are altered?
Not like ay he you know he rolled an ankle
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or dingden elbow. It's like, no, his career is altered.
It's it's almost unfathomable because now we have a history. Right,
seven of the last eight years they have been one
of if not the most injured team in the league.
And you look around the league and you go a
bunch of injuries and Fred Warner had nothing to do
with like training or whatever. Someone falls on his ankle,
on his ankle from behind. But the amount and the
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amount of money they've invested in it's one thing when
it's kind of random guys. It's critical elite Hall of
Famer guys that set the contract standard at their position.
What are you supposed to do? You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, I mean it's one of those things where they've
missed on just enough draft picks and they've hit on
several Ricky Pearsol you know when healthy's really good again,
their receiving corps over the last three years, it's never healthy,
I mean, just ever. No. But I mean, I'll give
the Niners credit. Tampa is a really good team and
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they shouldn't with Mac Jones be this close. And it
was a very very close game throughout. It was one
of those games where I felt like Tampa was the
better team, just they were healthier when Abuka went out,
and I'm thinking, Jesus, they don't have anybody to work
with and it's seven and a half yards of play,
So I think, and I also think, you know, Baker
will say, I'm the same guy I've always been, but
all of us are human, all of us learn from
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you know, he was pissed when Cleveland got rid of him.
He didn't like the way I mean, not just Cleveland,
but Carolina right like like yeah, I mean and then
I mean La had Stafford. But I mean you start
looking around, it's it's he got kicked to the curb
multiple times, like Mac Jones similarly, but I think we
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all know Baker's got more talent than Mac. But it's
it's one of those things where you know, it's it's
it's when you you know, lost your radio job. You're
not a bitter person, but that stuff, I mean the
Dallas Carolina game today, what were what were they calling
that game? That was the Rico Doubtell revenge game. He
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was a monster. I think professional athletes are like attorneys
or in any profession that deals in conflict. That shit
is jet fuel for Baker. I don't think there's any
question it's helped.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
And I'm totally with you. Like his comments. You they
used to call me kacky, abrasive, and now they say
Moxie and dog. Well, Baker, you're one you're a way
better player now, and two you definitely feel a little
more calm, and also you're out of a chaotic situation.
Like there are a lot of different factors, but I'm
with you. I mean, I think any human worth their
salt uses motivation, and as you mature, you don't let
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it show as much. And I think that's a good
example with Baker. He was cut from if I remember correctly,
in the middle of the season, after he was benched
by the Panthers. That's how he ended up on the
Rams on that Thursday night game. So I just think
that one, Baker's always had the arm strength, and when
you watch him at Oklahoma, he was not a one
year wonder, three years dominated and by the time he left,
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they were going toe to toe. Remember with the Georgia
team in the Rose Bowl. They easily could have won
that game. I thought he was an elite prospect. I
thought he was like a more mobile Drew Brees. But
you know, part of the reason Dorsey liked him was
like the Bravado, the kind of the Farvan. I don't know,
it's not fake confidence, but just belief of like, I'm
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just going to pull this out even though sometimes you won't.
And it shows much better when you're playing well. And
you know in Cleveland, I mean it's pretty clear no
one overcomes that that place. You see the list they're
paying like nine quarterbacks right now, Like that's just I
know they got two IVY League guys running it, but
they are the joke of the league. I think, like
these two IVY League guys that constantly lose, they can't
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find a quarterbackly I'm watching Kyle and Robert Sola. Would
nobody compete.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I think the New York Jets maybe the worst coach
team I've ever seen. First of all, the organization is
so bad. Aaron Rodgers with the Steelers looks good and
competent and under control. With the Jets, he looked old
and it was chaotic. He's the same guy, so just
and by the way, Pittsburgh over the last eight years
can't get offense right. But Aaron goes from the Jets
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to Pittsburgh and offensively at times tone deaf organization and
he looks really really good. But I want to talk
about the Jets. So Denver beats the Jets thirteen to eleven,
and Denver played like crap. Bo Nix was awful in
the second half. But you know what, Kansas City made
a living last year out of playing poorly in winning.
There is value in going overseas playing poorly and winning
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thirteen to eleven. I mean, they had a safety in
the end zone. There's a whole thing. I mean, Denver
did everything wrong, and it's why the NFL is so popular.
Denver was so much better than the Jets and won
thirteen to eleven. But at the end of the first half,
the Jets, Aaron Glenn calls for a fake punt, they
converted and the next play he runs the ball. Well,
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why would you take that risk and then not going
to your two minute offense. I've never seen anything like it.
Kurt Warner was incredulous. He and Eisen just were like laughing.
And then at the end of the game when Justin
Fields was atrocious and one thing we know, Justin Fields
does not see the field. Well, they have him going
on deep drops when they can kick a sick two
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yard field goal or go to Tyrod Taylor in the
second half at some point, Tyrod's true, Yeah, they don't
go to Tyrod Taylor. They don't like to kick the
field goal, and in that last drive it's deep drops.
By listen, you need like eight yards to get into
field goal range. If you have to run, do whatever
you have to do. But quick drops, tight end, you know,
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a quick drag route anything. I think the Jets are
the worst coach team in the league, and I feel bad,
but there are coaches Rich Kotai, You're just overwhelmed, Freddie Kitchens.
It's just too big of an assignment. My interpretation is
they just can't do anything right. They are officially the
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worst franchise in the league. And I'm including Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, I mean I would also include the GM. But
to me, it's a tandem deal. They give Sauce all
that money, they kind of invest in the team. Justin fields.
To get forty million dollars over two years based on
his resume was insanity. I mean, some of these get
the forty nine ers got mac Jones for two years,
seven million dollars at no point in time during their career.
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Mac Jones dealt with Belichick, and not like the in
the prime Belichick, the Belichick we see now. It's honestly,
it's kind of a reflection of like, actually, ma's pretty
impressive that he was able to overcome kind of that mess.
Justin fields can't play within the pocket. He has no feel. Now,
the Jets offensive line is also regressing. They were getting
beaten all game long, so you factor into their offensive tackles.
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Couldn't block the edges. He has no feel for the pocket.
I mean, they could have had fifty sacks a day.
It felt like he was gonna get sacked on every
drop back. I'm with you calling these long dropbacks. But
he gets back to investing in him in the first place.
That's that's insanity. If anything, just take a deep breath,
you know, higher sign same thing a Gardner minshew, just
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take it. But to give him two years and thirty
million dollars guaranteed based on what he got bench the
previous year, which we could argue if he should have
or not, but even before that, like that, that was insane.
I mean, they are this franchise they feel a little,
you know, kind of like the Raiders five, six, seven
years ago, I mean really really rudderless. And the problem
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is their owner has unlimited money. They have a high
priced team. It's not like they have some young and me.
They're paying Garret Wilson a lot, their pays at Gardner
a lot. They're paying Queen Williams a lot. That They've
invested a lot of first round picks in different guys
and high picks they've invested. It's not like their quarterbacks cheap,
you know. I mean, they they are, They're a disaster.
They the Broncos got really lucky because bo Knicks. Now, listen,
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I do agree with you. It's hard to go overseas
in general. The Broncos played the Eagles last week and
they took all their stuff with them and then flew
to London right after. So they've been gone forever. But
three completions in the second half. Yeah, for you know,
a first round pick, a bunch of you know, good
wide receivers and a high level offensive coordinator. And even
bow Nick said after the game, like we got no rhythm.
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That's when they got very lucky. They're playing in a
nep team because they lose that game. If they're just
playing like the Saints.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Well, I was thinking about this. If we go back
to the twenty twenty four quarterback draft class, Jayden Daniels
number one, Drake May has emerged as number two. Bow
Knicks today is three. Caleb's on his heels at four.
I won't even count J. J. McCarthy. Penix is five.
(27:28):
I still think Pennis has a chance to work, but
I think bow Knicks he's had some really bad halfs.
Not Philadelphia Eagles bad halfs, but pretty bad halfs. And
I'll say this between Mims and Franklin and Harvey and
Evan Ingram had a big catch on a fourth down,
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Denver's got really nice personnel. I'll argue this all day long.
I think it's a top I think the Broncos have
a top five roster bulls at left tackle. They have
real players, So I think it's it's it's I mean,
Bo's nineteen oh thirty one hundred and seventy five yards
a touchdown. No picks, runs very very well, but he
missed a couple of deep balls. He does not throw
the deep ball particularly well. He's got an arm, but
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it feels like to me on the deep ball, he
has no touch on the deep ball. He just lets
it go. And maybe because he didn't throw a ton
of them. He's a pretty good intermediate thrower. He's exceptional
under eight to ten yards. He's very accurate. He just
doesn't throw a good deep ball, and Sean Payton has
receivers who can get open deep, so I think it's
a I think Sean Payton privately is frustrated.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
How could he not be. I also think he's kind
of caught because he should use his legs more. Yeah,
but Sean Payton, for the most part, I mean, became
a superstar with a quarterback that never scrambled. So I
mean part of this offense timing, get rid of the ball.
But there are plays where it's like the guy's on
open bow. Take off. You're a really good athlete and
that the commentators, I would say, over the course of
this season have been saying that he's very I would say,
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hesitant a run on spots. We don't need you running
all the time, but just take off. He always wants
to throw, and it's just hurting him. He's scrambling like
backwards into the side to keep plays alive with his arm,
and from a throwing standpoint, it's just not really working out.
Now that their defense, like you said, their team, their
roster's fantastic, their defense, they don't have their lock playoff team,
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so Whufunga might have saved the game with that pass
breakup on the second to last pass by Fields. They're
going to be a playoff, a lock playoff team. They
have one of the easiest schedules left that they are
gonna win. Honestly, they should win the division, especially based
with the Chargers injuries and you know we're recording this
before the Chiefs game. But they got no chance to
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make a real run the playoffs. Their quarterback doesn't play better.
That's right college football in the NFL, once you get
the best opponents playing the best opponents, your quarterback has
to play well. If he doesn't, you lose. John mattierbad
Bo Nicks. That's where they got very lucky. To me,
they lose this game. I think if they're playing like
thirty other NFL teams, it just got like you said,
the worst coached, just the worst team in the league,
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whose offense is who's atrocious?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, and I mean justin Fields isn't good. But I
said this when he went to the Jets. He went
from the Bears defensive coach, Steelers defensive coach, Jets defensive coach.
He's not good enough to overcome bad coaching. In Pittsburgh
in a six game stretch. He was four and two
and look competent. It goes to show you Pittsburgh, maybe
(30:27):
inartistic Pittsburgh wins a lot of games. And let's just
talk about that because it's not a great game, but
it's worthy of discussion. So Dylan Gabriel had to throw
fifty two times. I mean, go look at the box score.
If he didn't watch the game, he can't have him
he threw for twildred and twenty yards. He can't have
him throwing fifty two times. He was getting crushed all
game two. His tackles are getting beating like a drum.
(30:50):
I want to talk Chargers who ended a two game
losing streak. Chargers twenty nine, Dolphins twenty seven. So there
was Listen, the Miami Dolphins could have drafted Herbert and
they drafted Tua. So I was a bigger fan than
Herbert out of college than Tua. But not a lot
of gms. There were a lot of gms that liked Tua.
Chris Greer, who I has been a GM for ten years,
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and not a lot of Pro Bowlers. I mean they've
they've battle line gave Tua an extension. It wouldn't have
been my call. But Tua had three picks today and
Herbert put on a show. Twenty nine to thirty eight.
No Quinton Johnson, four backups on the offensive line. There
was a play at the end of the game. It's unbelievable.
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Herbert is just getting attacked. I mean, he's he leads
the NFL and getting hit since I think since he
was drafted. I think he's I think he's been hit
more than any quarterback in the league. So he's got
backups everywhere. No Quinton Johnson, it's Lad McConkey and a
number three running back and some backups. Four backs on
the offensive line. So as they trail late, the Dolphins
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score here, they come back. It looked like the Dolphins
were going to win. Herbert breaks a tackle from a
defensive lineman, and this is why traits you're a former
NFL scout, this is why traits matter. Ta doesn't escape that,
Brock Purty doesn't escape that. It's just one of those
things that smaller quarterbacks Kyler Murray doesn't escape it. Herbert
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at six five and a half two thirty five and
strong bounces off a defensive tackle, escapes somehow moving to
his left gets Lad McConkie, who flies down the sideline.
They ultimately win it with a field goal. And in
my takeaway in that game is it highlights the Miami
problem when you draft Tua, who's a smaller quarterback and
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not as athletic as Herbert. I mean, and again Chris
Career wasn't alone. There were people that love Tua. Is
I look at Mike McDaniel, Tua set after the game,
people are missing meetings, people are late. It's like, holy crap,
Tuas calling out Mike McDaniel. You know, But I thought
this was overall, this really puts a ribbon on the Dolphins.
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When you watched Herbert Carrie, only San Francisco's more banged up.
When you watch Herbert carry a completely depleted roster on
the road from behind to win over to who's home,
who's comfortable, who's got most of his weapons? To me,
it was like, this is the definition of why the
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Dolphins are the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, I mean, I thought the Herbert play was the
play of the day. I mean, given that the injuries,
that felt like they were going to lose the game,
you know, the defense kind of gave it up at
the end. I mean, Waller's wide open in the corner
of the end zone for two to throw them a
little lollipop, and then he breaks that tackle sack for
the throw. And then mcakey. I mean, how good have
those two guys been since they've linked she I mean,
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holy moly. I mean mccakey is he's like a Wes
Welker meets Edelman. I mean, he's just stude. But Herbert
there was you know, I understand what Tua was saying,
and we've known about the dysfunction in Miami now for
a while. It's pretty embarrassing. But I also think, like Tua,
you threw a pick. You guys are up sixteen to
thirteen and throw a pick over the middle of the field,
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and that pick doesn't get thrown if you're justin Herbert,
because he has a much stronger arm well the ball.
You know, when you have a weaker arm, like Philip
Rivers threw a lot of picks as great, it's an
easier ball to catch. So if his timing's a little off,
you know, Peyton Manning's ball, if he's a little late,
is much more pickable than Cam Newton throwing a hundred
mile an hour fastball, and you just watch Tua's ball
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kind of floats and the Charger defender was able to
jump right in front of the route. The guy was open.
But when we talk about arm strength, obviously that doesn't
determine if you're going to be a great player. Not
Peyton had an average arm at best. But Tua is
nowhere near the guys with average arms. There were great players,
and makes mistakes constantly. And that was sixteen to thirteen
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and then boom, three plays later, the Charger are up
twenty three to thirteen. And I just think that you know,
two is a pretty average player, which listened relatively. League's
still better than a lot of guys, but he is
not talented enough. We talk about Baker Cleveland, can't overcome it,
Mac Jones with Belichick and that disaster the last couple
of years. Can't overcome it. Tua, this Miami thing, no
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chance you put Tua on. You just gave him to
Kevin O'Connell right now. I bet he'd look a lot better,
right And you know, Kevin O'Connell said this over the offseason.
Most teams fail quarterbacks. We know TWOA is very limited
we've know Jared Goff's been limited since he was playing
at Cow. Can't move. Guess what the Lions don't ask
him to do. Move? Guess what they asked him to do.
Get rid of the ball fast? You know. I think
(35:41):
sometimes Mike mc Mike McDaniels is asking two like these
deep dropbacks, push the ball down the field. Guys. He
has an average arm and part of it now he
has to carry the team. But they have all these little,
tiny receivers. Even when Tyreek was there. It's like, I
don't know if I would have built a team that
way first off. And now it's like Waddle's an excellent
player and made a yeah, awesome catch today down the sideline.
(36:01):
But like I would try to get bigger body Listen.
I don't know if it's gonna work in Caroline or not,
but I do understand the logic of we need to
get this big body guy for a little quarterback. Yep, McMillan,
the wide receiver from Arizona. Why cause harder for him
to see, gives him a bitter catching radius to a
throw and do tiny little guys and he's a tiny
little quarterback. Well, yeah, Herbert can see the tiny little
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receiver or Brady can see that they're six foot five.
It's the opposite with Tua. This is a math equation.
And then when you factor in his arms week and
I give him like I actually think too, he's earned
my respective like being mentally tough, and you know he
battles through like he doesn't tap out. I mean, he
still runs around when he's got a million concussions. But
the organization's embarrassment. I just think that the to a
(36:46):
thing they it's it's more like he turns the ball
over a lot and he's got issues, but the whole
organization around him is just I mean, it's pretty low level.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
If you had Two as a quarterback, you need a
good backup quarterback. They've never had that. And you need
a good offensive line. It's stunk since he's been there.
They've had good defensive fronts. They don't know what they're doing.
I think about this all the time when I started
the volume. When you start a company, you have to
have an identity. What are we? What aren't we? Let's
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stop chasing this. We're not this, we are this. If
two is your quarterback, you have to have a good backup.
You also have to have good protection, good pass pro.
They've never done a good job with that. So there's
two quarterbacks that won today, Baker Mayfield and Justin Herbert,
who had no business winning. Both are on the road,
both missing multiple starters, star players Joe all Rashaun Slater,
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Quinton Johnson or Bucky Irving, Chris Godwin, Mike Evans, Abuka,
Baker Mayfield and Justin Herbert. If you wondered what the
difference between the haves and the have not quarterbacks in
this league. Herbert and Baker on the road win games
with almost forty percent of their star missing. And I
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thought when you watch Herbert juxtaposed with Tua today, tu
is throwing pick after pick and guys are bouncing off Herbert.
It's like, folks, that's that's a guy that will never
pull a team. Herbert and Baker are pulling. They're they're
not They're not trailers, they're tractors. They are pulling offenses.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
But Mike McDaniel said last year that players that the
fine system didn't work to team meetings right. He couldn't
get guys to show up on Well, TUA, you think
people that they can't find you are going to show
up to players only meetings like that's the culture has
already been established. Nothing matters, right that the standard doesn't exist.
And this is what happens when you have a guy
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that no one respects and you bring them back and listen,
that's not a shot in Mike beca'se just clearly the
players do not view him like an authority figure. And
there you can be a nice guy. Right. Andy Reid
is good friends and has close relationships with his player.
They also view him as an authority figure. Of if
he says something is at eight o'clock, there is a
(39:05):
level of respect to show up at seven fifty five.
No one's asking you to be Tom Kaughlin and be
twenty minutes earlier year late. But when a coach says,
it's not even it's just basic business. Right, everyone's there,
we're making time. Our time is valuable. We've never had
less time with all these rules. Show up and they
weren't showing up to the team meetings last year, and
they why do you think Vic Fangio was like, I
(39:27):
want out of that. McK fangiels said, joke, get me
out of here. It's nuts. Yeah, Howie, throw me a lifeline?
And I think Stephen Ross like, I don't even want
to deal with this go you know this is but
that was a reflection of Mike and the organization. And
in fairness to Mike, this has been going on even
with Flores that no one's ever on the same page.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Let me to say I thought about this today. Most
of the great culture creators, Vrabel, Mike Tomlin, Dan Campbell,
I would say Sean McVay feels bigger than he is.
He an out is. There's a physical component to them.
And you could say, what about Belichick. Brady set the culture.
(40:07):
Let's be honest about it. Like Brady ran that locker
room like players were intimidated if Brady, I mean Brady
l worked every player. He was a legend, he was
the goat. Brady set that culture as much as Belichick.
Mike McDaniel. I mean, if you walked into Google, looks
like some guy that would be I'm not trying to
be mean spirited, but you're walking up in front of
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six foot seven, three hundred pound three hundred twenty five
pounds alphas. There is some you cannot discredit the value.
Have you ever stood next to Dan Campbell or Mike Vrabel.
These are huge men, and Mike Tomlin's an intimidating man.
So you either have to be intimidating in terms of
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volume or intensity. Sean Payton's intimidating, like like when you're
around him, Shawn's expertise and his intelligence, Andy Reid success
volume like he's he's a yeller, or there's a physical component.
I said this when he first got hired. He didn't
look like a guy that was going to walk up
in front of a room and command respect from a
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bunch of fifty five guys that average six four two twenty.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
No one thinks that, especially if you go back to like,
you know, I was watching Early this morning and they
are doing something on Brian Schottenheimer, and they were talking
a lot about Marty you know, or Bill Parcels or
some of those guys, Jimmy Johnson. Obviously, these guys, if
they got into a physical altercation with the player, are
going to lose. But I bet if you asked a
lot of those players, they'd say, I never knew when
(41:36):
the guy might actually snap on me. And again I
knew I could beat the guy up, but like he
had an im atimidation factor. You go what back you
watch some of those cowboy practices. You know, Jimmy's fifty
years old screaming at Charles Haley. You know I grew
up on you know, Bill Walsher, retired George Seffert. He
was terrifying. I was like, this guy is just no
one messed with him, And I think there's an element
of that. Obviously, Mike McDaniel is never gonna have to
(41:59):
fight any of these guys. But they look at him like,
in what world would you wouldn't take that guy seriously
if he was your friend's dad and he got mad
at you over at his house playing video games, if
you were a fifteen year old kid.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
I mean, let's let's be honest, there is if you
fiz football not softball. I mean, it's part of the deal. Okay.
I haven't talked to Matt mosey in a long time
host of the Doomsday Podcast with Ed Werder, but Ed's
(42:30):
not here today, So let's just say Matt's the host
and Ed will have to give, you know, deal with
all the you know, land mines after this. So, first
of all, long time, no talk. It's I thought this
was a four win team. I thought Schottenheimer was going
to be a disaster, and yet the offense is cooking
with no CD. Lamb. They're rebuilding the old line. Jamonte
(42:52):
Williams looks pretty good. They don't have a number one receiver.
I think Pickin's is more of a two. What is Schottenheimer,
who hadn't interviewed for a head job in a decade
and a half?
Speaker 2 (43:04):
What's the secret sauce here?
Speaker 3 (43:08):
By the way, I mean, they have CD coming back,
so you know, I think we would agree he's a
legit line.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
He's great.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Pickens playing himself into a big contract. And see, Jerry
has all this room now to deal with, you know,
getting trading Micah. He's got all the cap room in
the world, so Jerry can can move around and do
some things. It really is kind of sad, though, because
it feels like it's gonna be wasted. They're gonna win
(43:35):
more than four games, but they're losing games. And this
is probably the best Dacs ever played. This is the
most comfortable he's been. And thinking about what you just said,
without CD, with Pickens in that last game, without even
a run game, I mean, you know, Bobby Brown from
Texas A and m the fifth year player out A
and m and whoever else Carolina was lining lining up,
(43:58):
you could name them all.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Colin.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
I mean, they had Juvante bottled up and still that
was fine. And they're scoring thirty points a game. And
they had one hiccup and that was in Chicago, and
they had a really bad outing against Caleb in Chicago.
But maybe Ben Johnson is turning that thing around. But
this is a real this is but the offense is great.
(44:20):
It looks so much better, honestly than even McCarthy because
they're just more inventive. They're getting more people involved. Their
running game looks better, like what they're doing with their
tight ends. I mean, think about that. Ferguson didn't have
a touchdown all of last season. I only get a
single touchdown, he said, like four in the last four weeks.
But he's on a roll. And then you know he's
(44:43):
doing for Pickens what Romo used to do for the
La Run Robinson's and the you know, you remember, oh Miles
they had, I mean they've they've had some Miles Austin.
You know, Romo used to elevate guys, and Dak's even
doing that because Pickens looks incredible and he's looking a
number one. But I think your four win I think
(45:04):
they'll exceed that, but only Colin because the NFC East
is so bad, Like this thing looks bad right now,
and this could have been a year with a league
average defense, Cowboys could have a great shot of winning
this division. That's how bad the division looks right now.
And they're not going to be able to do it
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because this defense is horrific and there's no I don't
really see any path Foard, like anybody you could bring.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
In what I've said this it's the Shaq Kobe trade.
The Lakers knew for two years Shaq was going to
go to Miami with d Wade and win more than
Kobe was. But in the end it was the right move.
I think I am the only syndicated voice, TV or
radio that has said I love moving back. Jerry's a
deal maker. In the last two years, he couldn't pay
(45:54):
eight million dollars for Derrick Henry. You took the oil
man and the Maverick and you muted his ability to
do he deals because they were too top heavy. And
now Dak is playing great. So you go in to
a draft next year with two ones, and you don't
need a quarterback. Meaning let's say let's say they finish,
they have the eighth pick, eighth pick, ninth pick. They
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could move down to fifteen, grab another three or a
four or five, rebuild the defense. You know how it works.
Defense is about collisions, is about blowing stuff up. You
can walk in as a pass rusher, as an elite
corner or a linebacker and play as are rookie and
have an impact. I mean, Fred Warner did Boss do
Micah did? You're not asking a tight end to learn
(46:39):
how to block out a college or a quarterback or
an offensive lineman where even if you're good, it takes
a year. I think Dallas is going to take those
first two draft picks. They're going to upgrade their defense.
They'll have money to buy another playmaker. Kenny Clark's a
nice getting that deal. I think Dallas long term is
better without Micah. I just think you're going to lose
(47:00):
this trade because Green Bay is gonna win playoff games
and you're gonna look bad. You're gonna look like Kobe
with the Lakers waiting to get gasol shacks in Miami
winning and everybody crushes you for two years, but in
the end, Gasaul was the better fit.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Okay, but the quarterback is going to be thirty four
or thirty five years old by the time you're turning
the corner and getting all these picks in, so you
might have to go get another quarterback too. And you're so,
I mean, what's happening right now is they're wasting a
brilliant year he was second. I mean, I know we
beat up on him, and you have and I have
(47:37):
over the years to a certain extent. He was number
two in the MVP voting just two years ago. Yeah,
twenty twenty three. Does he get hurt too much?
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yes? Does he run the ball anymore?
Speaker 1 (47:47):
No?
Speaker 3 (47:47):
But like he's making right now, he's as effiicihent. I mean,
there's not a quarterback in the league playing more consistently
and throwing the ball better than Dak right now. Totally
and totally, And I just don't know if they can
turn it around as quickly as you're talking about. And
Plus what a deal to do to eber Flus and
(48:08):
even Shoty, what a deal a week before, seven days
or five days before the deal? You trade your one
huge defensive playmaker. And it's not just all they're struggling
against the run, they struggling aainst the pass.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
It's a disaster. It's a disaster.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
So while I agree and it's interesting to see what
they do with it, they're going to be on their
third defensive coordinator in three years because if eber Flus
continues down this path, this isn't sustainable and they're not
going to give him another season, and so Shoty has
to fire him. I mean, although it's not Shoty's decision.
And again that's where it all comes back to. I mean,
(48:47):
Jerry meddles so much he didn't even allow this new
internal candidate to hire his own defense coordinator. I think
ebra Flus was in the building and probably hired before
they'd even fit the deal with with Schottenheimer. So again,
this is the backwards dealings of an owner's slash gem.
(49:08):
But I mean, I it'd be great if they could,
if they could turn it and flip it. I mean,
they'll have two first round picks next year. Maybe they
find somebody, but I mean, think about what they're missing
right now. They don't have a decent linebacker. There are
two stud defensive backs. They are two studded cornerbacks that
are ninety million worth ninety million in the contracts, combining
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for about thirty six to forty million this year just
on this year's books are horrible right now. They don't
have anybody's playing safety. They're playing Donovan Wilson completely out
of position. They don't have a linebacker that can make
a tackle. I mean, it's bad. This is this makes
like Rob Roan, you know, look look almost like he
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knows what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Now, you know, go back to some of those guys
they struggled with.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
So it's it's just I guess to me, Colin, I
see what you're saying, and I'll be interested to see
what they're able to build moving forward. But as I've
said to you before, it really is a gut punch
to have lucked into two quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah or twenty years now.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
The Green Bay Packers have done it for thirty Yes, now,
I'm not saying they locked into it, although the trade
for far if you can say what you want, and
they got Aaron Rodgers lay it way later than anybody
ever thought Rogers would go in the first round, but
they've had thirty years of great quarterback play. Cowboys are
entering year twenty of tremendous quarterback play and have nothing
(50:37):
to show for. At least the Packers have one super Bowl.
At least they can point to one super Bowl. Cowboys
have zero and not even ANFC title game.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
You know, listen, we know coordinators often get elevated to
head coaches and they're just not built for it. And
there's probably a few position coaches that get elevated to
coordinators and they're not built for it. Failure, you know,
it's it's it's just part of football. I mean, I
say this all the time. Jason McIntyre and I talked
(51:09):
about it. The other day. He asked, who's the next
great automatic hire? So when the Broncos hired Peyton, you
knew it would work. When the Chargers hired Harbaugh, you
knew it would work. I argued in the off season,
the Patriots were going to double their win total. Mike
Vrabel was gonna work about every other year. I mean,
Mike McCarthy to Dallas was going to have some success.
(51:32):
He's a solid coach. He and Aaron Aaron can be
hard to get along with. It's it's funny if Schottenheimer leaves.
So McIntyre asked this question who's the guarant And there's
about one every other year where you're like, oh, yeah,
that'll win games. Peyton Harbaugh, Vrabel McCarthy. If I said
to you, Brian Schottenheimer lasts a year, is there a
(51:55):
name I gotta I'll throw it out at you. You're
gonna think I'm crazy here. You're gonna think I'm crazy.
Belichick to do No. Bill Belichick taking over. Bill Belichick
takes over the Dallas Cowboys college is a disaster. He
(52:17):
doesn't fit. He doesn't have a college sensibility. Belichick, by
the way, is not good with personnel, and that you
could go to him and say, Bill, we do not
trust you on personnel. We need a coach.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
He's go nuts. He only no, it wouldn't have been.
Speaker 3 (52:33):
But I think he's embarrassed himself and I think he's
hurt his credibility so bad. He hasn't damaged his legacy
that will always be there, but he can't.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
I don't see him leading the team.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
And the fit's not good because the guy he learned
from and he came up under, Bill Parcells has already
been with the Cowboys. And let me tell you, man,
I love Bill and still keep in touch with him.
That was the most miserable I ever saw, Jerry. Jerry
cannot function in a world with a head coach like that.
(53:08):
So and to your point about McCarthy, isn't that funny?
You know what I'm seeing right now? When you say
who are going to be the hot coach in the NFL,
his name is one of the first ones you see.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
It's same things James Franklin.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
Right now he bottoms out with Penn State, and by
the time these hires are made, Franklin's going to seem
like these incredible choice for these SEC openings, right Florida, Auburn,
Franklin wanted Vandy. He's coaching the SEC like Franklin's going
to be a hot name.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
And he just he.
Speaker 3 (53:42):
Just bottomed out three of the worst weeks in the
history of college football. But yeah, that's a fascinating thing
to imagine, Belichick. But Jerry likes having a good time
too much to put up with having a bad time
to have a good time, if you know what I mean,
(54:05):
he can't. Yeah, and now he would like the Jordan
Hudson aspect of it. Jerry would like that. He would
like some of the side show. If some of that
came to town. But dealing he would not want I mean,
Bill wouldn't want an owner out there. Now here's the thing.
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Shot he's doing well enough as an offensive coach that
Jerry's kind of excited. So Jerry is in the mindset
right now of if we just get if we do
something to get the defense going.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
We can do this with Shody.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
We could do this with Shoddy because there's a belief
right now with a way Dak's playing that they found
the perfect guy for Dak. So there won't be a
firing after this season. I know, I remember you saying,
maybe Shot he could be one and done. But Shot,
he's doing too well on offense. He's doing too well
on offense, get fired. So they have to go with
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their third defensive coordinator in the last three years. They
cannot hire defensive coordinators. They're horrific at it. Mike Nolan
was horrible. Quinn had a pretty good run. Quinn gets
hired to be a head coach. Then they have two
more bad ones. They had Rob Ryan before Marinelli and
Monte Kiffin. That was a rough That was kind of
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a rough scene. They were kind of you know, they
were past their prime. They're right, really just can't. They're
horrible at it. You know what, By the way, isn't
it interesting.
Speaker 4 (55:33):
That that Garrett's never gotten another opportunity, because it's like,
if you're decent with the Cowboys and you win a
ton of games, and I promise you when they interviewed
him for the Falcons and the Ravens before he got
the Cowboys job, he.
Speaker 2 (55:49):
Blew them all away, like they were. They were blown
away by Garrett.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
But I guess his his time as the offensive coordinator
with the Giants, it's just kind of ruined his reputation.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
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all right, instant reaction listen. The Bears won twenty five
twenty four. It's a road win for the Chicago Bears,
and they just don't do that very much. So they
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beat the Raiders on the road right with a block kick,
and they beat Washington despite a three to zero turnover advantage.
They needed a Jake Moody thirty eight yard field goal
to win. I mean, here's all the positives. The Bears
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offensive line did a great job tonight creating massive running
lanes for DeAndre Swift. DeAndre Swift was the star of
the show. Had over one hundred and sixty total yards,
could have been about one hundred and seventy and a touchdown.
You know, Caleb Williams was good enough, still misses too
many throws she got him make in the NFL consistently,
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He's not as accurate as Jaden Daniels, but he didn't
make that big mistake or two that Jayden Daniels did,
including that late fumble where Washington was going for the win.
And you know what I mean, that's the NFL. You
can't make mistakes these three four or five minute left,
these big drives, that's the game. Justin Herbert makes a
big play or Baker Mayfield makes a big play and
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you win these games. When a quarterback like Jaden Daniels
gets a bad handle, you lose those games. And the
Bears defense pounced on it. Montee Sweat created a fumble early,
getting a big hand in there and punching the ball out.
So I thought, overall, there were so many positives. Again,
this is a franchise that can't win on the road,
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that hasn't had a quarterback throw for four thousand yards
and to go on the road. The Bears had much
better energy in this game, especially in the first half.
I mean, Chicago came out thirteen to nothing lead, totally
dialed in. You know you're disappointed because you're settling for
field goals. You go on the road, big spot, standalone game.
Bears don't win these games. That's not a game the
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Bears win. So you just take it. You take the
twenty five twenty four win. You know, Jake Moody as
a kick blocked. Otherwise you'd kind of thought it was
you know, most of the time thirty eight yards, You're like,
it's good. But you know, he kicked a ball low,
very low directory and it got blocked. And Jake Moody's
history in San Francisco was at best spotty. So there's
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a lot of drama at the end, but there's so
many good things to take out of this. The run game,
there were a huge, huge holes all night. I thought
Ben Johnson's play calling a couple of really nice screens
dialed up in crucial situations. Bears had too many penalties,
Bears weren't great on third down. But it's the road.
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You know, again, Ben and Caleb have played together, you know,
have six games together. You're winning. I mean, just you
won the game, and you know it was Washington that
made the crucial mistakes, the crucial you know, red zone pick,
the the fumble. It was Washington making those mistakes. Jayden
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Daniels almost pulled it out. He's a tremendous player. Accurate,
you know, he's just kind of a naturally accurate. Drake
May's got that. Drake May is just a naturally accurate
thrower to the football. Justin Herbert has that, and some
guys do and some guys labor over it a little
bit more. Mahomes is largely very accurate. Not everybody is.
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It takes work for some guys. They got to get
their mechanics cleaned up. But you just get so much
horsepower and so much talent with Caleb. But you know,
he's going to be a sixty four percent completion guy.
Maybe he's not going to be a sixty eight percent
completion guy, but he made some nice throws over the
middle of the field, which is tough for young quarterbacks.
But I was just kind of blown away by the
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first half energy of the Bears. Three turnovers advantage, really
aggressive defense and what can you say about the offensive line?
And that's about as good an effort on the road
for the Bears offensive line. I mean, it just they
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haven't had a lot of them, but you know, they
went and got Tooney and Drew Dolman and Jonah Jackson,
and it felt like it's starting to pay dividends. It
feels like that offensive line they spent some real money
on it. You know, my rule in the NFL is
find your quarterback, hire a great coach, find your quarterback,
and protect your quarterback. Then eventually go get a defensive
lineman that disrupts theirs. Overall. I just thought, you just don't.
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You can't gripe too much. Road wind bears, better energy,
better consistent run game, fewer mistakes. You can live with
the penalties. Again, some of the operational stuff it was,
it was better. How about that. I've used that word
a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
You just take it.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
You don't. You don't worry about the margins too much.
You know, you watch the NFL. I watched the NFL.
They're just those games. Like Denver was awful against the Jets.
They won. Fly home from London.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Great.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Now you get to go home and play the New
York Giants. Hate it. You just take that. Seattle should
have wrapped up their game with Jacksonville earlier. They didn't.
They won five hour flight home, thanks for flying United.
So that's going to be a nice Bears flight home.
The other thing about Chicago this year, you know, with
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Matt Eberflus, they just couldn't score in the first quarter.
And I think, I think now and like, if you
take a lead in the NFL, I don't know what
the number is. I think it's like sixty three percent,
sixty five percent, the team that scores first wins. And
you know, they're just a much better opening drive team,
They're a much better first quarter team. They're not playing
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from behind, and I felt like this entire game, Chicago
deserved to win. I mean, what was that hokey call
or the left tackle he was lined up too far back?
I mean, that's that that felt that's a weak call.
I mean to me, when it comes to officiating, stuff
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is either either clear and definitive or don't blow the whistle.
It's absolute, it's clear, it's definitive, or don't blow it.
When you're looking at a still shot or replay and
the replay official for ESPN can't can't decipher it, can't
figure it out, just save it, just get out of
the way of the game. So I think you you know,
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I'm looking over all my notes here for the Bears.
I'd like to see a little bit more Loveland and
Luther Burden. I kind of feel like they're lost in
the offense. DJ Morgot looks, but he got banged up.
You know, it's just one of those things. You know,
Burden and Love learned young, and Calebs knows, you know,
he knows his guys. You know, he's familiar with some
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of these older players. So there's a lot of moving
parts here. You got a couple of rookies, you got
new offensive lineman, you got a new coach. You know,
I think we just have to you got to kind
of accept like there's just a lot of moving parts
for the Bears. The bye week helped. I mean, I
think you saw the bye week, the advantage of it
with an offensive coach, just big, big Bears energy. I mean,
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they really give Ben Johnson and the staff credit. They
came out air on fire, Elmeut's on fire and the
Bears win twenty five to twenty four. Jake Moody, who
knew so the Atlanta Falcons in the game finish before
the Bears commander's game was finished, beat Buffalo twenty four
to fourteen. You know, my takeaway is Buffalo's defense doesn't
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have a playmaker. Michael Pennix looked comfortable. I mean twenty
of thirty two two hundred and fifty yards, Bjean Robinson
average nine yards of carry, Drake London had ten catches,
a touchdown, sixteen yards of catch. Bottom line, when you
come into a game and you were looking for Pennix
to be comfortable. Was Drake London to have a big night.
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Was Bjean Robinson to deliver a couple big plays? Did
Buffalo's got two problems? Mike Vrabel has been coaching the
Patriots in six games. He's already in first place. What
does that tell you? Sean McDermott has had Josh Allen
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for all these years and there's always a hole in
the team. I mean McDermott solid, but I mean Mike
Vrabel with Drake May, who's still sort of refining his
craft walk in, they're already in first place. And I
just feel like Mike Michael Pennix was comfortable Drake May
back to back losses, he was comfortable. So and you know,
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when you pay the quarterback big money, you have to
you're going to have weaknesses. But any read tends to
solve and find ways to solve the weaknesses. I mean,
Sean McDermott, you know, outside of the opening drive, they
don't have enough of a receiving arsenal. You know, they
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just don't again what they fall behind after the opening drive.
The offense sputters. Josh Allen has a couple of turnovers.
They're not generating things on the perimeter. Their pass rush
is hit and miss. Mike Pennix looks like Michael Penix
looks like another hit for a young quarterback. He throws
a beautiful boy. I always said he was a bigger
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stronger to a just a bigger stronger arm. Helps that
he's playing in a dome. I mean, I you know,
it's easier to quarterback, for a young quarterback to be
in you know, dome weather warm weather than cold weather.
But Pennix with time to throw, dialed it up tonight.
I mean, Drake Lonnon was doing whatever he wanted to do.
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Bijon Robinson had that huge longest run from scrimmage this year.
So I just I mean, listen, I always have a rule,
turn the sound off and watch the game. Buffalo outside
of Josh Allen does not look intimidating. Their perimeter weapons average,
secondary average, pass rushes kind of hit and miss. And
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you know, I'm watching guys like Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan,
Like Kyle Shanahan's lost almost all his major weapons and
they're winning or going toe to toe with Tampa. And
I'm watching Jim Harball with a third string running back
and three offensive linemen go on the road and win late.
And here sham Dermott going down to quirky, inconsistent Atlanta
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and the Falcons offensively kind of did what they wanted to.
I mean, you know, the game plan was get it
to Drake London and let's get Bijon Robinson cooking. Let
me look at the total yards for the Falcons. Here
the Falcons at four hundred and forty three yards, six
point seven yards of play, twenty two first downs, win
time of possession. I mean, it's it's I mean even
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Josh Allen and the Bills had more penalties than young
Michael Pennix. So I mean, I think there's these markets
that you know, like a Pittsburgh or a Buffalo, they
don't like firing their coaches. You know, they're loyal sometimes
to a fault, but you know, it creates continuity, and
that's always a pretty good thing. You don't want to
be the Jets and the Giants running through gms and coaches.
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I guess, but I watched Buffalo after watching Kansas City
the last couple of weeks. Buffalo's not competing with Kansas City.
Kansas City's offense once they get Rashi Rice back, I mean,
they're scoring thirty one a game now again, and you
know competition. I mean, Detroit is a really good football
team up and down the field. Buffalo's not stopping that.
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I mean, just turn the sound down and watch Buffalo
take out Josh Allen. You just there's not enough weapons,
and now they're losing the good teams. New England's a
good team. New England feels like a playoff team lost
at home. You know, Atlanta may not be a playoff team.
Almost at five hundred yards totally, Michael Pennix was totally comfortable. So,
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I mean, these windows, you know, there was about a
two or three year window with Buffalo when they were
you know, they were paying Josh, but they still had
a pretty good secondary and maybe it's closed, but they
just they don't look like Kansas City. They don't have
the roster Detroit or Philadelphia. I don't know if I
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was a Buffalo Bills fan. New stadium will be cool,
but it feels like Mike Rabel and the Patriots in
six games, they've taken back the division. I mean, that's discouraging,
is it not. And again, Sean McDermott's capable, but I
just kind of feel like Andy Reid does a much
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better job to solve the offensive line issues, or the
run game issues, or the wide receiver issues. The entire
league is about solving problems because of the salary cap.
Nobody's got a perfect team. And when you get a
perfect roster like Philadelphia, no, you don't get the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
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Bay thirty, San Francisco nineteen. Right now, Baker Mayfield, think
about this. They averaged seven point three yards of play.
No Mike Evans, no Chris Godwin. If Buka gets hurt,
no Bucky Irving. The leading pass catcher was Cayotton, who,
by the way, is a nice tight end out of Washington.
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Stirling Shepherd, Tes Johnson, Tess had a great catch. I mean,
I think Baker has to be your MVP at this point.
I mean, he had, he had a we had a magical, emotional,
magical scramble for a first down. I mean, listen, San
Francisco's all beat up, but I mean Tampa's going to
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Seattle and winning. Tampa's in the Bay and winning. I
think they're as good as anybody in the league right now.
I think Baker's my MVP.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah to me, I mean they're ceiling rests on those
guys being healthy because if they are healthy, they'd have
a chance to meet anybody because their offense. I mean,
how potent would be with those three wide receivers. Pretty
incredible story. I mean, the Cleveland Browns, who have that
long history of having a million quarterbacks, finally get a
guy and draft him number one overall and John Dorsey
was right, but it didn't quite look right immediately. And
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now he's fulfilling like I'm the number one overall quarterback.
The farving qualities, the moxie, the passes. Colin last year,
I was like, you know, Baker Mayfield's a really good player.
This guy's like a top ten quarterback to right now,
he's one of the best players in the league, like
MVP or not. I mean, he's just on a weekly basis,
one of the best players in the league. And for
a smaller quarterback, he's an excellent pocket passer. Great feels
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like he has no trouble seeing I don't know if
he finds angles. Maybe it's just some instinctive quality that
he has. I mean, you know, Purty who didn't play today,
it's another smaller quarterback struggles little bit throw over the
middle of the field. Obviously Baker's arm strength. Yeah, he's
just playing at an elite level. I mean he's twenty
five to one colin to start the season, and I
look before this, I think, like Thursday Friday, he was
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down eight to one. I would imagine he will continue
to rise up into the Josh Allen category as the
season goes.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
So I when I picked the Niners, despite an easier
than average schedule, to finish second or third in their division,
I said, I'll take the Rams and the Seahawks to
win the division. I said, I love the coach. Curty's
good enough. This is an old, brittle roster. You looked
it up today. How much money is not playing right
now due to injury.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Well, they gave three contracts this offseason, Bruckberty, you know
in guarantee money. Guaranteed money, got one hundred and eighty
million dollars. He's played two games and then is injured
now and who knows when he's coming back. They gave
Fred Warner and George Kittle a combined ninety six million dollars,
so a total of two hundred and seventy seven million
dollars and obviously Fred Warner to day shatters his ankle.
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Kittle has been out since early on in that first game.
And Purty again, if you told me over under right now,
does he played five games this season? I probably take
the under. So they gave two hundred and seventy seven
million dollars too. I mean two Hall of famers and
Warner and Kittle and they're starting quarterback and none of
them like, you just can't overcome that. Colen, and that's
not even counting I mean Nick Bosa, who you know,
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when he's healthy and playing like he was this season,
one of the best players in the league. Uh, it
was gone. So what aux nowhere to be found? Ricky Piersoll,
who looked excellent early in the season, has just gone
injured knee Like I've never seen anything like this on
a weekly basis. Did the constant Just guy's careers are altered?
Not like ay he you know he rolled an ankle
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or dingden elbow. It's like, no, his career is altered.
It's it's almost unfathomable because now we have a history. Right,
seven of the last eight years they have been one
of if not the most injured team in the league.
And you look around the league and you go a
bunch of injuries and Fred Warner had nothing to do
with like training or whatever. Someone falls on his ankle,
on his ankle from behind. But the amount and the
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amount of money they've invested in it's one thing when
it's kind of random guys. It's critical elite Hall of
Famer guys that set the contract standard at their position.
What are you supposed to do? You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, I mean it's one of those things where they've
missed on just enough draft picks and they've hit on
several Ricky Pearsol you know when healthy's really good again,
their receiving corps over the last three years, it's never healthy,
I mean, just ever. No. But I mean, I'll give
the Niners credit. Tampa is a really good team and
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they shouldn't with Mac Jones be this close. And it
was a very very close game throughout. It was one
of those games where I felt like Tampa was the
better team, just they were healthier when Abuka went out,
and I'm thinking, Jesus, they don't have anybody to work
with and it's seven and a half yards of play,
So I think, and I also think, you know, Baker
will say, I'm the same guy I've always been, but
all of us are human, all of us learn from
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you know, he was pissed when Cleveland got rid of him.
He didn't like the way I mean, not just Cleveland,
but Carolina right like like yeah, I mean and then
I mean La had Stafford. But I mean you start
looking around, it's it's he got kicked to the curb
multiple times, like Mac Jones similarly, but I think we
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all know Baker's got more talent than Mac. But it's
it's one of those things where you know, it's it's
it's when you you know, lost your radio job. You're
not a bitter person, but that stuff, I mean the
Dallas Carolina game today, what were what were they calling
that game? That was the Rico Doubtell revenge game. He
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was a monster. I think professional athletes are like attorneys
or in any profession that deals in conflict. That shit
is jet fuel for Baker. I don't think there's any
question it's helped.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
And I'm totally with you. Like his comments. You they
used to call me kacky, abrasive, and now they say
Moxie and dog. Well, Baker, you're one you're a way
better player now, and two you definitely feel a little
more calm, and also you're out of a chaotic situation.
Like there are a lot of different factors, but I'm
with you. I mean, I think any human worth their
salt uses motivation, and as you mature, you don't let
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it show as much. And I think that's a good
example with Baker. He was cut from if I remember correctly,
in the middle of the season, after he was benched
by the Panthers. That's how he ended up on the
Rams on that Thursday night game. So I just think
that one, Baker's always had the arm strength, and when
you watch him at Oklahoma, he was not a one
year wonder, three years dominated and by the time he left,
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they were going toe to toe. Remember with the Georgia
team in the Rose Bowl. They easily could have won
that game. I thought he was an elite prospect. I
thought he was like a more mobile Drew Brees. But
you know, part of the reason Dorsey liked him was
like the Bravado, the kind of the Farvan. I don't know,
it's not fake confidence, but just belief of like, I'm
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just going to pull this out even though sometimes you won't.
And it shows much better when you're playing well. And
you know in Cleveland, I mean it's pretty clear no
one overcomes that that place. You see the list they're
paying like nine quarterbacks right now, Like that's just I
know they got two IVY League guys running it, but
they are the joke of the league. I think, like
these two IVY League guys that constantly lose, they can't
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find a quarterbackly I'm watching Kyle and Robert Sola. Would
nobody compete.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I think the New York Jets maybe the worst coach
team I've ever seen. First of all, the organization is
so bad. Aaron Rodgers with the Steelers looks good and
competent and under control. With the Jets, he looked old
and it was chaotic. He's the same guy, so just
and by the way, Pittsburgh over the last eight years
can't get offense right. But Aaron goes from the Jets
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to Pittsburgh and offensively at times tone deaf organization and
he looks really really good. But I want to talk
about the Jets. So Denver beats the Jets thirteen to eleven,
and Denver played like crap. Bo Nix was awful in
the second half. But you know what, Kansas City made
a living last year out of playing poorly in winning.
There is value in going overseas playing poorly and winning
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thirteen to eleven. I mean, they had a safety in
the end zone. There's a whole thing. I mean, Denver
did everything wrong, and it's why the NFL is so popular.
Denver was so much better than the Jets and won
thirteen to eleven. But at the end of the first half,
the Jets, Aaron Glenn calls for a fake punt, they
converted and the next play he runs the ball. Well,
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why would you take that risk and then not going
to your two minute offense. I've never seen anything like it.
Kurt Warner was incredulous. He and Eisen just were like laughing.
And then at the end of the game when Justin
Fields was atrocious and one thing we know, Justin Fields
does not see the field. Well, they have him going
on deep drops when they can kick a sick two
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yard field goal or go to Tyrod Taylor in the
second half at some point, Tyrod's true, Yeah, they don't
go to Tyrod Taylor. They don't like to kick the
field goal, and in that last drive it's deep drops.
By listen, you need like eight yards to get into
field goal range. If you have to run, do whatever
you have to do. But quick drops, tight end, you know,
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a quick drag route anything. I think the Jets are
the worst coach team in the league, and I feel bad,
but there are coaches Rich Kotai, You're just overwhelmed, Freddie Kitchens.
It's just too big of an assignment. My interpretation is
they just can't do anything right. They are officially the
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worst franchise in the league. And I'm including Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, I mean I would also include the GM. But
to me, it's a tandem deal. They give Sauce all
that money, they kind of invest in the team. Justin fields.
To get forty million dollars over two years based on
his resume was insanity. I mean, some of these get
the forty nine ers got mac Jones for two years,
seven million dollars at no point in time during their career.
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Mac Jones dealt with Belichick, and not like the in
the prime Belichick, the Belichick we see now. It's honestly,
it's kind of a reflection of like, actually, ma's pretty
impressive that he was able to overcome kind of that mess.
Justin fields can't play within the pocket. He has no feel. Now,
the Jets offensive line is also regressing. They were getting
beaten all game long, so you factor into their offensive tackles.
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Couldn't block the edges. He has no feel for the pocket.
I mean, they could have had fifty sacks a day.
It felt like he was gonna get sacked on every
drop back. I'm with you calling these long dropbacks. But
he gets back to investing in him in the first place.
That's that's insanity. If anything, just take a deep breath,
you know, higher sign same thing a Gardner minshew, just
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take it. But to give him two years and thirty
million dollars guaranteed based on what he got bench the
previous year, which we could argue if he should have
or not, but even before that, like that, that was insane.
I mean, they are this franchise they feel a little,
you know, kind of like the Raiders five, six, seven
years ago, I mean really really rudderless. And the problem
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is their owner has unlimited money. They have a high
priced team. It's not like they have some young and me.
They're paying Garret Wilson a lot, their pays at Gardner
a lot. They're paying Queen Williams a lot. That They've
invested a lot of first round picks in different guys
and high picks they've invested. It's not like their quarterbacks cheap,
you know. I mean, they they are, They're a disaster.
They the Broncos got really lucky because bo Knicks. Now, listen,
(26:39):
I do agree with you. It's hard to go overseas
in general. The Broncos played the Eagles last week and
they took all their stuff with them and then flew
to London right after. So they've been gone forever. But
three completions in the second half. Yeah, for you know,
a first round pick, a bunch of you know, good
wide receivers and a high level offensive coordinator. And even
bow Nick said after the game, like we got no rhythm.
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That's when they got very lucky. They're playing in a
nep team because they lose that game. If they're just
playing like the Saints.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Well, I was thinking about this. If we go back
to the twenty twenty four quarterback draft class, Jayden Daniels
number one, Drake May has emerged as number two. Bow
Knicks today is three. Caleb's on his heels at four.
I won't even count J. J. McCarthy. Penix is five.
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I still think Pennis has a chance to work, but
I think bow Knicks he's had some really bad halfs.
Not Philadelphia Eagles bad halfs, but pretty bad halfs. And
I'll say this between Mims and Franklin and Harvey and
Evan Ingram had a big catch on a fourth down,
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Denver's got really nice personnel. I'll argue this all day long.
I think it's a top I think the Broncos have
a top five roster bulls at left tackle. They have
real players, So I think it's it's it's I mean,
Bo's nineteen oh thirty one hundred and seventy five yards
a touchdown. No picks, runs very very well, but he
missed a couple of deep balls. He does not throw
the deep ball particularly well. He's got an arm, but
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it feels like to me on the deep ball, he
has no touch on the deep ball. He just lets
it go. And maybe because he didn't throw a ton
of them. He's a pretty good intermediate thrower. He's exceptional
under eight to ten yards. He's very accurate. He just
doesn't throw a good deep ball, and Sean Payton has
receivers who can get open deep, so I think it's
a I think Sean Payton privately is frustrated.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
How could he not be. I also think he's kind
of caught because he should use his legs more. Yeah,
but Sean Payton, for the most part, I mean, became
a superstar with a quarterback that never scrambled. So I
mean part of this offense timing, get rid of the ball.
But there are plays where it's like the guy's on
open bow. Take off. You're a really good athlete and
that the commentators, I would say, over the course of
this season have been saying that he's very I would say,
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hesitant a run on spots. We don't need you running
all the time, but just take off. He always wants
to throw, and it's just hurting him. He's scrambling like
backwards into the side to keep plays alive with his arm,
and from a throwing standpoint, it's just not really working out.
Now that their defense, like you said, their team, their
roster's fantastic, their defense, they don't have their lock playoff team,
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so Whufunga might have saved the game with that pass
breakup on the second to last pass by Fields. They're
going to be a playoff, a lock playoff team. They
have one of the easiest schedules left that they are
gonna win. Honestly, they should win the division, especially based
with the Chargers injuries and you know we're recording this
before the Chiefs game. But they got no chance to
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make a real run the playoffs. Their quarterback doesn't play better.
That's right college football in the NFL, once you get
the best opponents playing the best opponents, your quarterback has
to play well. If he doesn't, you lose. John mattierbad
Bo Nicks. That's where they got very lucky. To me,
they lose this game. I think if they're playing like
thirty other NFL teams, it just got like you said,
the worst coached, just the worst team in the league,
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whose offense is who's atrocious?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, and I mean justin Fields isn't good. But I
said this when he went to the Jets. He went
from the Bears defensive coach, Steelers defensive coach, Jets defensive coach.
He's not good enough to overcome bad coaching. In Pittsburgh
in a six game stretch. He was four and two
and look competent. It goes to show you Pittsburgh, maybe
(30:27):
inartistic Pittsburgh wins a lot of games. And let's just
talk about that because it's not a great game, but
it's worthy of discussion. So Dylan Gabriel had to throw
fifty two times. I mean, go look at the box score.
If he didn't watch the game, he can't have him
he threw for twildred and twenty yards. He can't have
him throwing fifty two times. He was getting crushed all
game two. His tackles are getting beating like a drum.
(30:50):
I want to talk Chargers who ended a two game
losing streak. Chargers twenty nine, Dolphins twenty seven. So there
was Listen, the Miami Dolphins could have drafted Herbert and
they drafted Tua. So I was a bigger fan than
Herbert out of college than Tua. But not a lot
of gms. There were a lot of gms that liked Tua.
Chris Greer, who I has been a GM for ten years,
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and not a lot of Pro Bowlers. I mean they've
they've battle line gave Tua an extension. It wouldn't have
been my call. But Tua had three picks today and
Herbert put on a show. Twenty nine to thirty eight.
No Quinton Johnson, four backups on the offensive line. There
was a play at the end of the game. It's unbelievable.
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Herbert is just getting attacked. I mean, he's he leads
the NFL and getting hit since I think since he
was drafted. I think he's I think he's been hit
more than any quarterback in the league. So he's got
backups everywhere. No Quinton Johnson, it's Lad McConkey and a
number three running back and some backups. Four backs on
the offensive line. So as they trail late, the Dolphins
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score here, they come back. It looked like the Dolphins
were going to win. Herbert breaks a tackle from a
defensive lineman, and this is why traits you're a former
NFL scout, this is why traits matter. Ta doesn't escape that,
Brock Purty doesn't escape that. It's just one of those
things that smaller quarterbacks Kyler Murray doesn't escape it. Herbert
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at six five and a half two thirty five and
strong bounces off a defensive tackle, escapes somehow moving to
his left gets Lad McConkie, who flies down the sideline.
They ultimately win it with a field goal. And in
my takeaway in that game is it highlights the Miami
problem when you draft Tua, who's a smaller quarterback and
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not as athletic as Herbert. I mean, and again Chris
Career wasn't alone. There were people that love Tua. Is
I look at Mike McDaniel, Tua set after the game,
people are missing meetings, people are late. It's like, holy crap,
Tuas calling out Mike McDaniel. You know, But I thought
this was overall, this really puts a ribbon on the Dolphins.
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When you watched Herbert Carrie, only San Francisco's more banged up.
When you watch Herbert carry a completely depleted roster on
the road from behind to win over to who's home,
who's comfortable, who's got most of his weapons? To me,
it was like, this is the definition of why the
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Dolphins are the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, I mean, I thought the Herbert play was the
play of the day. I mean, given that the injuries,
that felt like they were going to lose the game,
you know, the defense kind of gave it up at
the end. I mean, Waller's wide open in the corner
of the end zone for two to throw them a
little lollipop, and then he breaks that tackle sack for
the throw. And then mcakey. I mean, how good have
those two guys been since they've linked she I mean,
(33:53):
holy moly. I mean mccakey is he's like a Wes
Welker meets Edelman. I mean, he's just stude. But Herbert
there was you know, I understand what Tua was saying,
and we've known about the dysfunction in Miami now for
a while. It's pretty embarrassing. But I also think, like Tua,
you threw a pick. You guys are up sixteen to
thirteen and throw a pick over the middle of the field,
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and that pick doesn't get thrown if you're justin Herbert,
because he has a much stronger arm well the ball.
You know, when you have a weaker arm, like Philip
Rivers threw a lot of picks as great, it's an
easier ball to catch. So if his timing's a little off,
you know, Peyton Manning's ball, if he's a little late,
is much more pickable than Cam Newton throwing a hundred
mile an hour fastball, and you just watch Tua's ball
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kind of floats and the Charger defender was able to
jump right in front of the route. The guy was open.
But when we talk about arm strength, obviously that doesn't
determine if you're going to be a great player. Not
Peyton had an average arm at best. But Tua is
nowhere near the guys with average arms. There were great players,
and makes mistakes constantly. And that was sixteen to thirteen
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and then boom, three plays later, the Charger are up
twenty three to thirteen. And I just think that you know,
two is a pretty average player, which listened relatively. League's
still better than a lot of guys, but he is
not talented enough. We talk about Baker Cleveland, can't overcome it,
Mac Jones with Belichick and that disaster the last couple
of years. Can't overcome it. Tua, this Miami thing, no
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chance you put Tua on. You just gave him to
Kevin O'Connell right now. I bet he'd look a lot better,
right And you know, Kevin O'Connell said this over the offseason.
Most teams fail quarterbacks. We know TWOA is very limited
we've know Jared Goff's been limited since he was playing
at Cow. Can't move. Guess what the Lions don't ask
him to do. Move? Guess what they asked him to do.
Get rid of the ball fast? You know. I think
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sometimes Mike mc Mike McDaniels is asking two like these
deep dropbacks, push the ball down the field. Guys. He
has an average arm and part of it now he
has to carry the team. But they have all these little,
tiny receivers. Even when Tyreek was there. It's like, I
don't know if I would have built a team that
way first off. And now it's like Waddle's an excellent
player and made a yeah, awesome catch today down the sideline.
(36:01):
But like I would try to get bigger body Listen.
I don't know if it's gonna work in Caroline or not,
but I do understand the logic of we need to
get this big body guy for a little quarterback. Yep, McMillan,
the wide receiver from Arizona. Why cause harder for him
to see, gives him a bitter catching radius to a
throw and do tiny little guys and he's a tiny
little quarterback. Well, yeah, Herbert can see the tiny little
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receiver or Brady can see that they're six foot five.
It's the opposite with Tua. This is a math equation.
And then when you factor in his arms week and
I give him like I actually think too, he's earned
my respective like being mentally tough, and you know he
battles through like he doesn't tap out. I mean, he
still runs around when he's got a million concussions. But
the organization's embarrassment. I just think that the to a
(36:46):
thing they it's it's more like he turns the ball
over a lot and he's got issues, but the whole
organization around him is just I mean, it's pretty low level.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
If you had Two as a quarterback, you need a
good backup quarterback. They've never had that. And you need
a good offensive line. It's stunk since he's been there.
They've had good defensive fronts. They don't know what they're doing.
I think about this all the time when I started
the volume. When you start a company, you have to
have an identity. What are we? What aren't we? Let's
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stop chasing this. We're not this, we are this. If
two is your quarterback, you have to have a good backup.
You also have to have good protection, good pass pro.
They've never done a good job with that. So there's
two quarterbacks that won today, Baker Mayfield and Justin Herbert,
who had no business winning. Both are on the road,
both missing multiple starters, star players Joe all Rashaun Slater,
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Quinton Johnson or Bucky Irving, Chris Godwin, Mike Evans, Abuka,
Baker Mayfield and Justin Herbert. If you wondered what the
difference between the haves and the have not quarterbacks in
this league. Herbert and Baker on the road win games
with almost forty percent of their star missing. And I
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thought when you watch Herbert juxtaposed with Tua today, tu
is throwing pick after pick and guys are bouncing off Herbert.
It's like, folks, that's that's a guy that will never
pull a team. Herbert and Baker are pulling. They're they're
not They're not trailers, they're tractors. They are pulling offenses.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
But Mike McDaniel said last year that players that the
fine system didn't work to team meetings right. He couldn't
get guys to show up on Well, TUA, you think
people that they can't find you are going to show
up to players only meetings like that's the culture has
already been established. Nothing matters, right that the standard doesn't exist.
And this is what happens when you have a guy
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that no one respects and you bring them back and listen,
that's not a shot in Mike beca'se just clearly the
players do not view him like an authority figure. And
there you can be a nice guy. Right. Andy Reid
is good friends and has close relationships with his player.
They also view him as an authority figure. Of if
he says something is at eight o'clock, there is a
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level of respect to show up at seven fifty five.
No one's asking you to be Tom Kaughlin and be
twenty minutes earlier year late. But when a coach says,
it's not even it's just basic business. Right, everyone's there,
we're making time. Our time is valuable. We've never had
less time with all these rules. Show up and they
weren't showing up to the team meetings last year, and
they why do you think Vic Fangio was like, I
(39:27):
want out of that. McK fangiels said, joke, get me
out of here. It's nuts. Yeah, Howie, throw me a lifeline?
And I think Stephen Ross like, I don't even want
to deal with this go you know this is but
that was a reflection of Mike and the organization. And
in fairness to Mike, this has been going on even
with Flores that no one's ever on the same page.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Let me to say I thought about this today. Most
of the great culture creators, Vrabel, Mike Tomlin, Dan Campbell,
I would say Sean McVay feels bigger than he is.
He an out is. There's a physical component to them.
And you could say, what about Belichick. Brady set the culture.
(40:07):
Let's be honest about it. Like Brady ran that locker
room like players were intimidated if Brady, I mean Brady
l worked every player. He was a legend, he was
the goat. Brady set that culture as much as Belichick.
Mike McDaniel. I mean, if you walked into Google, looks
like some guy that would be I'm not trying to
be mean spirited, but you're walking up in front of
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six foot seven, three hundred pound three hundred twenty five
pounds alphas. There is some you cannot discredit the value.
Have you ever stood next to Dan Campbell or Mike Vrabel.
These are huge men, and Mike Tomlin's an intimidating man.
So you either have to be intimidating in terms of
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volume or intensity. Sean Payton's intimidating, like like when you're
around him, Shawn's expertise and his intelligence, Andy Reid success
volume like he's he's a yeller, or there's a physical component.
I said this when he first got hired. He didn't
look like a guy that was going to walk up
in front of a room and command respect from a
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bunch of fifty five guys that average six four two twenty.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
No one thinks that, especially if you go back to like,
you know, I was watching Early this morning and they
are doing something on Brian Schottenheimer, and they were talking
a lot about Marty you know, or Bill Parcels or
some of those guys, Jimmy Johnson. Obviously, these guys, if
they got into a physical altercation with the player, are
going to lose. But I bet if you asked a
lot of those players, they'd say, I never knew when
(41:36):
the guy might actually snap on me. And again I
knew I could beat the guy up, but like he
had an im atimidation factor. You go what back you
watch some of those cowboy practices. You know, Jimmy's fifty
years old screaming at Charles Haley. You know I grew
up on you know, Bill Walsher, retired George Seffert. He
was terrifying. I was like, this guy is just no
one messed with him, And I think there's an element
of that. Obviously, Mike McDaniel is never gonna have to
(41:59):
fight any of these guys. But they look at him like,
in what world would you wouldn't take that guy seriously
if he was your friend's dad and he got mad
at you over at his house playing video games, if
you were a fifteen year old kid.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
I mean, let's let's be honest, there is if you
fiz football not softball. I mean, it's part of the deal. Okay.
I haven't talked to Matt mosey in a long time
host of the Doomsday Podcast with Ed Werder, but Ed's
(42:30):
not here today, So let's just say Matt's the host
and Ed will have to give, you know, deal with
all the you know, land mines after this. So, first
of all, long time, no talk. It's I thought this
was a four win team. I thought Schottenheimer was going
to be a disaster, and yet the offense is cooking
with no CD. Lamb. They're rebuilding the old line. Jamonte
(42:52):
Williams looks pretty good. They don't have a number one receiver.
I think Pickin's is more of a two. What is Schottenheimer,
who hadn't interviewed for a head job in a decade
and a half?
Speaker 2 (43:04):
What's the secret sauce here?
Speaker 3 (43:08):
By the way, I mean, they have CD coming back,
so you know, I think we would agree he's a
legit line.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
He's great.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Pickens playing himself into a big contract. And see, Jerry
has all this room now to deal with, you know,
getting trading Micah. He's got all the cap room in
the world, so Jerry can can move around and do
some things. It really is kind of sad, though, because
it feels like it's gonna be wasted. They're gonna win
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more than four games, but they're losing games. And this
is probably the best Dacs ever played. This is the
most comfortable he's been. And thinking about what you just said,
without CD, with Pickens in that last game, without even
a run game, I mean, you know, Bobby Brown from
Texas A and m the fifth year player out A
and m and whoever else Carolina was lining lining up,
(43:58):
you could name them all.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Colin.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
I mean, they had Juvante bottled up and still that
was fine. And they're scoring thirty points a game. And
they had one hiccup and that was in Chicago, and
they had a really bad outing against Caleb in Chicago.
But maybe Ben Johnson is turning that thing around. But
this is a real this is but the offense is great.
(44:20):
It looks so much better, honestly than even McCarthy because
they're just more inventive. They're getting more people involved. Their
running game looks better, like what they're doing with their
tight ends. I mean, think about that. Ferguson didn't have
a touchdown all of last season. I only get a
single touchdown, he said, like four in the last four weeks.
But he's on a roll. And then you know he's
(44:43):
doing for Pickens what Romo used to do for the
La Run Robinson's and the you know, you remember, oh Miles
they had, I mean they've they've had some Miles Austin.
You know, Romo used to elevate guys, and Dak's even
doing that because Pickens looks incredible and he's looking a
number one. But I think your four win I think
(45:04):
they'll exceed that, but only Colin because the NFC East
is so bad, Like this thing looks bad right now,
and this could have been a year with a league
average defense, Cowboys could have a great shot of winning
this division. That's how bad the division looks right now.
And they're not going to be able to do it
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because this defense is horrific and there's no I don't
really see any path Foard, like anybody you could bring.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
In what I've said this it's the Shaq Kobe trade.
The Lakers knew for two years Shaq was going to
go to Miami with d Wade and win more than
Kobe was. But in the end it was the right move.
I think I am the only syndicated voice, TV or
radio that has said I love moving back. Jerry's a
deal maker. In the last two years, he couldn't pay
(45:54):
eight million dollars for Derrick Henry. You took the oil
man and the Maverick and you muted his ability to
do he deals because they were too top heavy. And
now Dak is playing great. So you go in to
a draft next year with two ones, and you don't
need a quarterback. Meaning let's say let's say they finish,
they have the eighth pick, eighth pick, ninth pick. They
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could move down to fifteen, grab another three or a
four or five, rebuild the defense. You know how it works.
Defense is about collisions, is about blowing stuff up. You
can walk in as a pass rusher, as an elite
corner or a linebacker and play as are rookie and
have an impact. I mean, Fred Warner did Boss do
Micah did? You're not asking a tight end to learn
(46:39):
how to block out a college or a quarterback or
an offensive lineman where even if you're good, it takes
a year. I think Dallas is going to take those
first two draft picks. They're going to upgrade their defense.
They'll have money to buy another playmaker. Kenny Clark's a
nice getting that deal. I think Dallas long term is
better without Micah. I just think you're going to lose
(47:00):
this trade because Green Bay is gonna win playoff games
and you're gonna look bad. You're gonna look like Kobe
with the Lakers waiting to get gasol shacks in Miami
winning and everybody crushes you for two years, but in
the end, Gasaul was the better fit.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Okay, but the quarterback is going to be thirty four
or thirty five years old by the time you're turning
the corner and getting all these picks in, so you
might have to go get another quarterback too. And you're so,
I mean, what's happening right now is they're wasting a
brilliant year he was second. I mean, I know we
beat up on him, and you have and I have
(47:37):
over the years to a certain extent. He was number
two in the MVP voting just two years ago. Yeah,
twenty twenty three. Does he get hurt too much?
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yes? Does he run the ball anymore?
Speaker 1 (47:47):
No?
Speaker 3 (47:47):
But like he's making right now, he's as effiicihent. I mean,
there's not a quarterback in the league playing more consistently
and throwing the ball better than Dak right now. Totally
and totally, And I just don't know if they can
turn it around as quickly as you're talking about. And
Plus what a deal to do to eber Flus and
(48:08):
even Shoty, what a deal a week before, seven days
or five days before the deal? You trade your one
huge defensive playmaker. And it's not just all they're struggling
against the run, they struggling aainst the pass.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
It's a disaster. It's a disaster.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
So while I agree and it's interesting to see what
they do with it, they're going to be on their
third defensive coordinator in three years because if eber Flus
continues down this path, this isn't sustainable and they're not
going to give him another season, and so Shoty has
to fire him. I mean, although it's not Shoty's decision.
And again that's where it all comes back to. I mean,
(48:47):
Jerry meddles so much he didn't even allow this new
internal candidate to hire his own defense coordinator. I think
ebra Flus was in the building and probably hired before
they'd even fit the deal with with Schottenheimer. So again,
this is the backwards dealings of an owner's slash gem.
(49:08):
But I mean, I it'd be great if they could,
if they could turn it and flip it. I mean,
they'll have two first round picks next year. Maybe they
find somebody, but I mean, think about what they're missing
right now. They don't have a decent linebacker. There are
two stud defensive backs. They are two studded cornerbacks that
are ninety million worth ninety million in the contracts, combining
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for about thirty six to forty million this year just
on this year's books are horrible right now. They don't
have anybody's playing safety. They're playing Donovan Wilson completely out
of position. They don't have a linebacker that can make
a tackle. I mean, it's bad. This is this makes
like Rob Roan, you know, look look almost like he
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knows what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Now, you know, go back to some of those guys
they struggled with.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
So it's it's just I guess to me, Colin, I
see what you're saying, and I'll be interested to see
what they're able to build moving forward. But as I've
said to you before, it really is a gut punch
to have lucked into two quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah or twenty years now.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
The Green Bay Packers have done it for thirty Yes, now,
I'm not saying they locked into it, although the trade
for far if you can say what you want, and
they got Aaron Rodgers lay it way later than anybody
ever thought Rogers would go in the first round, but
they've had thirty years of great quarterback play. Cowboys are
entering year twenty of tremendous quarterback play and have nothing
(50:37):
to show for. At least the Packers have one super Bowl.
At least they can point to one super Bowl. Cowboys
have zero and not even ANFC title game.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
You know, listen, we know coordinators often get elevated to
head coaches and they're just not built for it. And
there's probably a few position coaches that get elevated to
coordinators and they're not built for it. Failure, you know,
it's it's it's just part of football. I mean, I
say this all the time. Jason McIntyre and I talked
(51:09):
about it. The other day. He asked, who's the next
great automatic hire? So when the Broncos hired Peyton, you
knew it would work. When the Chargers hired Harbaugh, you
knew it would work. I argued in the off season,
the Patriots were going to double their win total. Mike
Vrabel was gonna work about every other year. I mean,
Mike McCarthy to Dallas was going to have some success.
(51:32):
He's a solid coach. He and Aaron Aaron can be
hard to get along with. It's it's funny if Schottenheimer leaves.
So McIntyre asked this question who's the guarant And there's
about one every other year where you're like, oh, yeah,
that'll win games. Peyton Harbaugh, Vrabel McCarthy. If I said
to you, Brian Schottenheimer lasts a year, is there a
(51:55):
name I gotta I'll throw it out at you. You're
gonna think I'm crazy here. You're gonna think I'm crazy.
Belichick to do No. Bill Belichick taking over. Bill Belichick
takes over the Dallas Cowboys college is a disaster. He
(52:17):
doesn't fit. He doesn't have a college sensibility. Belichick, by
the way, is not good with personnel, and that you
could go to him and say, Bill, we do not
trust you on personnel. We need a coach.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
He's go nuts. He only no, it wouldn't have been.
Speaker 3 (52:33):
But I think he's embarrassed himself and I think he's
hurt his credibility so bad. He hasn't damaged his legacy
that will always be there, but he can't.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
I don't see him leading the team.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
And the fit's not good because the guy he learned
from and he came up under, Bill Parcells has already
been with the Cowboys. And let me tell you, man,
I love Bill and still keep in touch with him.
That was the most miserable I ever saw, Jerry. Jerry
cannot function in a world with a head coach like that.
(53:08):
So and to your point about McCarthy, isn't that funny?
You know what I'm seeing right now? When you say
who are going to be the hot coach in the NFL,
his name is one of the first ones you see.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
It's same things James Franklin.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
Right now he bottoms out with Penn State, and by
the time these hires are made, Franklin's going to seem
like these incredible choice for these SEC openings, right Florida, Auburn,
Franklin wanted Vandy. He's coaching the SEC like Franklin's going
to be a hot name.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
And he just he.
Speaker 3 (53:42):
Just bottomed out three of the worst weeks in the
history of college football. But yeah, that's a fascinating thing
to imagine, Belichick. But Jerry likes having a good time
too much to put up with having a bad time
to have a good time, if you know what I mean,
(54:05):
he can't. Yeah, and now he would like the Jordan
Hudson aspect of it. Jerry would like that. He would
like some of the side show. If some of that
came to town. But dealing he would not want I mean,
Bill wouldn't want an owner out there. Now here's the thing.
(54:25):
Shot he's doing well enough as an offensive coach that
Jerry's kind of excited. So Jerry is in the mindset
right now of if we just get if we do
something to get the defense going.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
We can do this with Shody.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
We could do this with Shoddy because there's a belief
right now with a way Dak's playing that they found
the perfect guy for Dak. So there won't be a
firing after this season. I know, I remember you saying,
maybe Shot he could be one and done. But Shot,
he's doing too well on offense. He's doing too well
on offense, get fired. So they have to go with
(55:02):
their third defensive coordinator in the last three years. They
cannot hire defensive coordinators. They're horrific at it. Mike Nolan
was horrible. Quinn had a pretty good run. Quinn gets
hired to be a head coach. Then they have two
more bad ones. They had Rob Ryan before Marinelli and
Monte Kiffin. That was a rough That was kind of
(55:23):
a rough scene. They were kind of you know, they
were past their prime. They're right, really just can't. They're
horrible at it. You know what, By the way, isn't
it interesting.
Speaker 4 (55:33):
That that Garrett's never gotten another opportunity, because it's like,
if you're decent with the Cowboys and you win a
ton of games, and I promise you when they interviewed
him for the Falcons and the Ravens before he got
the Cowboys job, he.
Speaker 2 (55:49):
Blew them all away, like they were. They were blown
away by Garrett.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
But I guess his his time as the offensive coordinator
with the Giants, it's just kind of ruined his reputation.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
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