July 15, 2025 • 54 mins
Film Producer & Founder of the Anti-Recidivism Coalition (ARC) Scott Budnick joins Stephen to talk investing in Hollywood, Prison Reform, & more!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hi, I'm Stephen J. Kluebeck and I know this is
formally noted Heart Truth of Stephen J. Klubec, but it's
a Stephen Jklubec podcast and today, as you know, we
always have fascinating friends here on the show, and today
I'm here with my dear friend Scott bud Neck.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Thank you for having me, brother, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
And we're going to talk about some interesting concepts, always
hard truths, as you know, but today we're going to
talk about Hollywood, how important it is to California, and
also prison reform and what it's like the system. Because
Scott is is so involved, he's taught me so much,
I'm going to talk about that too on the show today.
But the biggest topic California today is keeping Hollywood in Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I know you've been working your ass off on this.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
It has been uh, it's been quite the campaign. And
when we started it in November didn't look like anything
was going to happen.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Where are you getting pushed back from?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Man? Horrible budget, a lot of cuts happening in social services,
lots of potential cuts happening from the federal government. Just
very bad budget year. Like a lot of people were like,
we believe in this, but not now, not if not now?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
When?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Well that was my I mean a lot of people
that aren't part of the business and are not from
la right, so to be able to have them understand
that we have people workers everyday, workers that have been
in the business for twenty years.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Electrical grits, catering vendors, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Who have had to sell their home and are living
in their cars, who were making quarter of a million
dollars one hundred thousand dollars every year prior.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
It's that bad, well, you know, it's you know, my
oldest son, Jake is a creative producer, and my half
adopted son zac Efron is zach Efron is the actor,
Yes he is. And my son has a lot of
friends in the industry, young actors Noah, you know, And
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it's crazy to me because I hear their stories of
their struggle and I have difference. Like Morgan Fairchild, there's
just like on the verge of tears being almost evicted
from her apartment. We're talking Morgan Fairchild. I mean, she's iconic,
and it boggles my mind because as I've seen this
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from Afar, as you know, running for governor. It's so
intuitive to me because I ran tourism in the United States.
I was in the hospitality business you all know, for
a long time, and hospitality is unique because it has
such trickle down effect. First, while you can work in
hospitality without a college degree, same thing in entertainment you
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don't need a college degree. That's important and it's an
export and people don't understand. When I was running Brand USA,
I created Brand USA of the United States of America
and worked for the White House. I had to convince,
convince senators and representatives in the House Congress how important
tourism and travel was the United States after the Lost
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Decade of Travel, and it was twenty three percent of
the United States exports. That means we make money, all
of us to our GDP of the United States through
international visitors coming into the United States.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
And what's California best known for Hollywood? Yeah, that entertainment.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
So so I think what we have to do together,
and you and I talked about this before, but we
got to explain it a little bit now that you've
done this great work in the state to bring this
to the attention, to take the budget from three hundred
and thirty million dollars. And you say it's a tax incentive,
and I want you to change your language with me.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yes, I want you to call.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
It an investment in.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah. I love that.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
It is not a tax incentive. It's an investment in
because the money comes back, that's right. And what we
were doing with tourismen travel in the United States, it
was an investment in the marketing of the United States
after the lost decade of travel, and the return on
invested capital for travel and tourism in the United States
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was in excess of twenty five to one. And I've
just run some funny math. Yeah, and I think I
shared it with you.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
You did.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
So if we look at the value of entertainment for
the United States of America, our federal government, all of
us together, united and unified, entertainment is twenty to twenty
to one return on invested capital entertainment big number. So
travel in tourism, entertainment. And that was one of my
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philosophies and running for governor, really crowing about these great
exports in California, and it happens to be tourism and
travel and entertainment and actually coupling them together in California.
California's got, you know, with tourism and travel, this great
export because we travel inside our state, we have people
coming from other states into California, and we've got international visitation. Now,
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what does Hollywood do Entertainment? Hollywood's worldwide. And for us
not to have a not just a coalition of ourselves
within the big country of California, those we're the fourth
largest economy in the world. Using that horse par married
with the federal government uniting and making Hollywood Hollywood again.
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Because if you do the math, Georgia has five hundred
and sixty three billion dollars in GDP and their incentive
structure is like one point three billion.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
We in California we're at three hundred and thirty million.
Pathetic joke for.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Ten years, been stuck at three hundred thirty million, ey joke.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
And now you worked really hard to just get it
to over seven hundred million dollars. That's not even competitive
with Georgia. You had to really bust your balls. And
what's our GDP our GP's four point one trillion dollars.
So if you do the inverse math, I did it
on chat GPT. Matter of fact, you know what I did.
Tell me, I sent this math to President Trump and
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to Gavin Newsom group text, a group text together, I'll
sut together, I'll show it you. Of course they didn't respond,
but I know they both got it. And then I
did it again today and I'll talk about that in
a minute because we're going to talk about where this
is going. Yeah, So if you do the inverse math,
chat GBT did it for me, California with its four
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point one trillion dollar GDP could actually invest in Hollywood
nine point four seven billion dollars to be competitive with
the state of Georgia.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
So basically ten x ten.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
X, and that's going to give us a twenty to
one multiplier effect.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
That part.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I mean, you don't have to be a rocket side
to figure out this math.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
If we invest, you need to be able to use
chat GPT.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
You're right, you're right. So I mean I showed the
President and our governor Gavin his chat GPT. I know
they got it. No response because they don't I don't
think they get along. I know that don't think so.
I don't think they get a lot. But you know,
I sent them another text today after you and I talked,
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and now we're talking about this. You said, what's the
biggest threat? It's not just against ourselves because we've kind
of given away Hollywood, California just had their eye off
the ball. We forgot about our greatest export and a
source of GDP that trickles down to everyone, down to
dry cleaners, Taco bell. So everybody, what is the biggest
threat right now? It's not the States in between the States,
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what is it?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
It's international.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
It's London, London.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Let me let me one example. Yeah, go, I had
a bunch of guys that I mentored who were in
the foster care system, juvenile justice system that got out,
changed their life, went to college, became union grips, worked
on the Mandalorian Great job. Lucasfilm Star Wars Right, employing
thousands of people down in the stages in Rendando Beach,
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thousands multiple shows. Lucasfilms last December decided they're going to
move all their operations to London. All those shows, thousands
of workers, unemployed, went to London save money. So even
if we can neutralize, even if we can take your
nine billion dollars and become competitive with Atlanta and New
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York and New Jersey, which we are now. New York
and New Jersey we're about equal with right now in
terms of this new credit. But if we can become
competitive with everyone in the United States, they're still going
to be running to London and Romanian Bulgaria.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
In Canada, they can actually fly their cheaper Huh.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
It is cheaper to fly four hundred crew members and
put them in a hotel in London and make the show.
Then to make it here.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Insanity.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
So we need a federal credit.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I get it. I'll show you the text that I
sent them today after our conversation. I'll show you this,
I said them. So they got two texts from me,
and I know they got it. But maybe they can
wake up. Maybe we can push on this together. I done.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I'm all in.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
You are, so let me ask you a question. I'm
a fan of yours in many ways.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Oh damn, what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Wow? Straight dude, Okay, let's be really clear right now.
I can give your references. I got a long.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Listener hangover, so you can't say stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
And I want to talk about the hangover because I'm
a big fan of a matter of fact, I actually
my dentist actually did remove the tooth at Helms removed.
I did not understand the guy actually removed his tooth. Yeah,
he got a total implant. Correct, that's committed. Yeah, I
didn't the same. I'm telling you, buddy, Atlanta, Georgia. To
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my dentist, doctor Rifkin, he told me, he said, you're
not gonna believe what I did. I'm like, what, so like,
I took out this guy's tooth and I put in
a fake tooth for a movie. I'm like, what movie?
I said, I can't tell you. I bet I figured
it out afterwards. I said, well, that's what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
The only one up to that would be if your
doctor was mister Chow. You know he was a real doctor.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Well I was going to be a real doctor. Did
you know that?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
No.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I have a degree in neuro biopsychology. I did my
thesis on Alzheimer's. I worked at Cedars on a four years.
I was worked in the er for six months. I
was taking about dead bodies for three and a half years.
I worked in b one. You know why I liked it. No,
no one talked back. It was a great job.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I was pre med for one semester.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I was pre med for all four years. I got
my degree and I pivoted.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
When you could have never been a doctor, Oh yeah
I could.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I would have been great.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
You'd be so bored.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
No, you know what if I was and I was
gonna be a cardiothracy. No, I'm telling you. I've got
the hands of grace. I could crack a skull, cut
a y cut, take out the ribcage. I was so
good anatomically, my skills became perfect.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
That would just be such a waste of your skill set.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
No, but I listen, But that's what I was going
to do. I didn't know it was can go into
business And it's crazy because it was okay with me.
I was just like I was published on three abstracts
with doctor Swan Gans. I worked with tangentially and doctor
Matt Loff. If doctor Mattloff had a bad day, he
was a cardiothoracic surgeon. Because we did in vivo versus
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in vitro validation of the echo cardiograph two point zero.
Today they got four point zero. But see, I'm a
science guy, and it's crazy because if doctor Mattloffe, the
great cardiac surgeon, had a bad day, and we looked
at all of his patients prior to that's in vivo
when they're living. We'd see them in vitro when they
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were in b one and he have a bad day,
he'd lose like three, all of them, all three die.
He like statistics. He had a bad day.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
To entertain anyway, he was very good.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
So I'd like talking about dead bodies. I'm just so
live no entertainments. Let's talk about your your stuff. So
did that actually really pissed in Mike Tyson's pool?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
He pissed in a pool, wasn't Mike Tyson's did the
Did the lion really eat the steak?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Lion's love steak. They don't like cinnamon, they don't like simon.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Okay, I was just curious. I just wanted to know
if it was the craziest thing in that movie that
happened that you did not expect to happen. Oh secret, I.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Would say that there's this there's the moment where mister
child jumps out of the trunk naked, but it was
written that he was supposed to be wearing pants, but
it was his idea to do it naked.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
He's I met him in Las Vegas. You know, I
was in Las Vegas for a long time building time
and resorts, and I met him. He's a good guy
and he is a doctor.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yeah, great guy, great, great doctor.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
He's funnier and shit.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
So so he came up to me the day before
and he said, I want to do it naked, and
I had to negotiate with Warner Brothers and get nudity releases, etcetera, etcetera.
Brought it to his room at eleven o'clock at night,
signed it. So we did it naked. It was one
hundred and ten degrees out the empty parking lot across
from the Mandolay. Yeah, and one hundred and ten degrees.
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You're right. You had to keep jumping out of that
trunk naked onto Bradley Cooper's shoulders. But it's you know, sweaty,
it's nasty.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
But you know what's so easy When it's that hot,
you can't see anything on camera because it's like inside
your body.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
That clearly.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
We forgot trust me, I live there.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
We forgot to clear it with the cops.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Oh no, so Metro came naked, so Metro jumping out
Metro trunk Metro came by.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, they tried to shut us down. People were in
the hotels.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
We didn't have a sheriff's number.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
People in the hotels. You could have called for the
sheriff's I didn't know you when we were doing the hangover.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I'm telling you, it was down the street.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I didn't know you. I know you were, I know you.
We would have had so much fun. I was living
in Caesar's Palace for like two months.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Oh we we would have been dead. If you were,
we would have been the hangover.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Did you know Gary Soles?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I know Gary seles back to the hard rock days.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Oh yeah, no, I know I know everyone. I'm a chairman,
ri I p Gary, God, God rest his soul.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
By the way, let me just say this. Every single
hotel group in they guests passed on the hangover. The
only person that said yes to do the hangover. After
every hotel passed, MGM Sheldonato Stein, Steve win Palms, everyone passed.
The only person that said yes was Gary Selesner Caesar's Palace.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
The presidents are all kicking themselves in their nuts.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, he's now because of the hangover. He built Nobu,
the Nobu Hotel, mister chow Omnia Now, uh car, Now
what's the steakhouse in New York? Peter Lugers. They're all
his brain child's classic. Yeah in a recession.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
No, I I know, but you know, we were there.
I was there. I saw what you guys were doing.
But they filmed some pretty epic movies. When I was
a kid. My father had the Jockey Club and they
filmed casino at the Jockeys and my dad and so
I met. I remember, I met everyone. I met Sharon
Stone for a second time because I went out with
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her first. We were round in the rain Man. Nope,
did not see that. But I met De Naro and Pashi.
Used to go to dinner at this place called Joey
Pigs on East d m. Joey Pignotello. It's cool. It's
a lot of Mafia X Mafia guys, old days Vegas.
(16:16):
I kind of grew up there. I got a lot
of stories. I met this one guy when I was
a kid waiting for my dad to play golf every
day at Las Vegas Country Club. I was probably sixteen fifteen,
sixteen years old. I would wait for Hm at Las
Vegas Country Club at the bar and I'd have a
coke by Coke whatever. He says. His name is Mo,
like a mol just met this guy all the time.
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I had no idea who I was talking to. Mo
Dlitz met Joey Kusamano, Mo Dlitz, all these guys. M
it's a trip. What's your favorite movie you did?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I made a really crazy movie called Project X, which
is like a high school house party movie. It was
it's like the animal house of like young kids these days,
or at least it was ten years ago. It was
the most fun I had making it. Made it all,
made it all Warner Brothers in La but uh, it
was a blast. Old school was a blast. Old School
was like my first real producer credit, Will Ferrell, Vince Vaughn,
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Luke Wilson. That was a blast. Due date, it was
a lot of fun. That was Robert Downey Junior. Zach
Alvinakis went back to my hometown of Atlanta, Georgia, started
shooting there.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
You're from Atlanta, then I am, sir.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Then moved west. That's New Mexico, sir, What's that?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
He said?
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Sir, Yes, sir, wow, a good Southern boy.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
So respect you, Gov from your mouth to God's ears
for all of us in California. Because I actually know
what to do. I'm ready to take the keys tomorrow.
It's funny. I was talking with with Governor Newsom a
couple of weeks ago. He goes said, oh, yes, everyone
beat me up. It's like I've got an expiration date,
and I'm like, Governor, your expiration date's my birth date.
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M He said, get out of here. And I poke
each other. We just we love each other. We're good guys.
He's a good guy. He's really a good guy. He
just he's a good guy. He just you know, when
you're in the business world and you've done federal work
like I have, and you've come up really hard and
state work. You tried to run the United State Athletic
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Commission with all those promoters and boxers and refs and fighters,
that's nuts. Yeah. I had this one day. One day,
there was a guy who tried to get a license
when I was a regulator, and I was the judge
that day too, because we were in court every month.
So of course new new licensees are coming up. This
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lawyer came in from Florida. He was a shill. He
lied to me. You know, you lie to me, you die,
You must might trust you're dead. And I caught him
lying and I denied him as license. And it was
just it was an interesting show. But he should didn't
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do homework because there's been others that had lied to
me in front of the commission. And I was, you know,
the nicest, greatest guy, but I was the hanging judge.
The Democrats, the hanging judge. They're like, you can't be
a Democrat, You're a hanging judge. I'm like, no, you
lie to me, you die in you know, character, integrity
is everything. It's a big part of my book, facing
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hard truths. And I figured out this guy lies, so
I denied him his license. So we went to the
executive director and said, what just happened to me? He said,
you've never seen the clueback express. You just got hit
by it. He goes, what's that?
Speaker 3 (19:36):
I don't ever want to see that?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Well, no, no, it's really good in first class because
you get champagne caviat, a movie, a massage, and you
get you in the front of that train. You know
what you turn into pink missed. Look it up. It's
a defined term military term. You ever heard that pick missed?
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Of course? Yeah, I know what I'm trung about.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
It's pretty interesting anyway, that's funny. So you know, you've
you and I have spent a lot of time together
on your charity. Tell me about what you're doing. It's
not a charity, it's more than a charity. Air Sea.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah. I two thousand and four, about twenty plus years ago,
went down to a juvenile hall in San Fernando Valley. Yeah,
I met a bunch of kids fourteen, fifteen, sixteen years
old facing life in prison. I walked in there, sat down.
There was a kid to my left, tiny little kid
is fifteen years old? Said how was your week? He said,
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it was a really bad week. I got sentenced to
three hundred years to life in prison. Three hundred years
to life in prison. I said, what did you do?
He said, I stood next to my friend. My friend
shot the victim in the butt. The victim was in
and out of the hospital in a day. And for
standing next to the guy with the gun, never touching
the weapon, I got three hundred years of life. And
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I knew in that moment that if that was my kid,
he looked like me, he had my resources, he'd be
out on bail, sleeping in his own bed, not sleeping
in that steel bed in the juvenile hall, even have
the best lawyer in LA and for not touching the gun,
he would not be going to prison for three hundred
years of life.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
This isn't it. That's unbelievable because we met someone like this,
or we did, because we'll talk about that in a minute. So,
so this young man got what's called enhancement upon enhancement
upon enhancement. Now explain that in this California crazy, stupid
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system of justice.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
So like three counts of assault with the Deli weapon,
three counts of gun enhancement, three counts of gang enhancements,
and you stack the charges. So he gets to about
three hundred years to life. And I don't even know.
He might have had no priors, so he'd never been
arrested before. I don't quite remember. But but that's it.
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But we do the most interesting thing is when you
have to go through the parole board, the California parole board,
which is if you have a life sentence of any kind.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Right, yeah, we you introduce being to a lot of
fellows that life without the possibility of parole. We'll talk
about that in a minute. You've just been a Lancaster State. Yeah,
and we're in C block. I think we.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Went to A and C. But and you went in
and I think someone immediately challenged you in the cell
block to a push up competition for you walked in
there and you saw some really strong guy and you
challenged the way I went down.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
You took my adopted daughter, Mabel, she's the only woman
in there, to a guy's lock up. She's terrified maxim security.
It was maximum security. Yeah, she's like grabbing me, like
for dear life.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
By the ways we're going through her like it's like
you're in the officer's office. We're in the cell block.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
No, we're the cell block because we go through, like siwo.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Of your guys in there, two of your guys.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Guys, and we walk into this one block and we're touring.
I'm looking around. She's holding me tight and I walk into,
you know, one of the cells and it's like the
tiniest thing I've ever seen, with two steel bunks with
all their stuff rolled up nicely and a little desk
and a toilet, yeah, all out of steel. And I'm like,
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it's like tenor in a closet. Two guys are living
in there. And that was a little like earth shattering.
And I was just trying to with Jit chatting with
the guys, and you were over to the side with
like one of the guards, and I was there with
my daughter. And mostly there's some older guys and some
younger guys either. It was like twenty four to seventy
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three or four years old. But this one kid popped
off at me. He said he was thirty six years old.
Popped off at me. He goes, you don't have a rhiz.
I'm like, dude, I got California Riz. I grew up here.
It wasn't called it riz. It was called being a
valley boy, San Bernado, valley man. And you know, we
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got California values and we're chill, but you know we've
got a quality of life that there's a big difference
between New York and Southern California. There's a big difference
between Southern California and Northern California, for sure. I mean,
don't ever call you get you don't call Northern California
certain things and uh, Northern California, Southern California were like
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north and south. But Nevada's like that too, Northern Nevada,
Southern Nevada, so and down in southern California. The preeway system,
we say the four H five, the one one. You
don't say that up north it's called one oh one.
There's no the And you know it's also interesting I
found out I just don't get this. We have Caltrans
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that takes care of our highways. How come they look
gorgeous up north and they look like shit down south.
I'm telling you, we got beautiful trees up north line
and there's no trash. Come down south and we live
in a shithole. Whoever's in charge of Caltrans, I'd like
to talk to them, because you know what, you're northern
and southern.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
When you're governor. If there's trash on those freeways, I'm
calling you.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
There's no trash man. Guess what because once I fix
the balance, you call my ask. But you know why,
because you got my number, and everyone's gonna have my
number in California. Because I am a customer service guy,
because everyone to me is a customer in California and
more importantly, no one's ever talked like that was his voters. No,
your customer, We're all customers of California, equal or greater value.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
And I'm back to the guys.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
So we're in the cell. Thank you for keeping me
on tracking director, producer, excuse me, god forbid your producer. Okay,
you're the money guy. You got who mix all?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
You have no riz?
Speaker 1 (25:54):
No?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
So when I got no riz and I said, go, dude,
can you do push ups? And I'm like yeah, I
said how many can you do? The kid said I
could do fifty? I go great, okay, no problem. I said,
let's drop right now.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
So Klubec is on his hands and knees on the
concrete floor of a maximum securities cell block with like
I do, A much younger dude half his age in
a push up competition with a bunch of like dudes
that are shirtless and stuff like cheering them on.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I guess what, Yeah, I knew the assignment slate his ass.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
You brought your egg in, you brought your again, I.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Bring my guy. Took Terry Cruz out one night and
push ups. Go look at my Instagram. I actually took
it out and that was dangerous. That was crazy because
that guy is like mister muscle. And I did it
with Jason Kennedy at a charity event. I took my
jacket off, and you know, he goes, I could do
seventy and I'm like shit because I knew he was
fifty six and I was sixty three, and I just
did the math I needed to do eighty two percent.
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So I'm like, okay, somebody did the math in the
audience is like sixty one point two push ups, and
I'm like, okay, I did sixty four. I kicked his ass.
But so this this kid, and that was I wanted
to teach him a lesson. I want to teach him
a lesson.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
More important, you did. His life's not hard enough in prison.
I had to humiliate him.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I did to humiliate him. I wanted him to learn
the following when an older guy makes you a bet,
because he said to me, oh my god. You know
after we did this push up contest and the older
guys were looking to cheering me on, and I said, hey,
what you learn here? He goes, you're in shape, You're
swoll swollen. I don't know swool means. I know being
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in shape is and I said, no, young man, let
me tell you something. When an older man makes you
a bet and he's confident, don't take the fucking bet,
because we're going to kick your ass. And you know
why I did this, I said, pay attention to the
older guys in this block. I told him. The older
guys were like, Yay, finally somebody backing us up. You know,
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because I'm there backing up. You know, the guys who
have gone through gone through school, who have been there
up to thirty plus years in that place or in
transferred around the system because maybe they were a little
silly when they were younger.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
But how about when you laid your eyes on Hoser.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Oh my god, so I meet I meet you. You
introduced me to When I went to State penitentiary, I
talked to the guards separately, and I talked to the inmates,
lifers without possibility for and I just had this jaded
opinion to life. You know, they're in there for a reason.
Fuck them. And I came out going, oh shit, people
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can change. No, there's a better people can change. There's
a yes, there's that better way. You changed my entire
opinion of the system as I thought I knew it
but I didn't know it. It's bespoke. It's one of one.
And to have just these blanket policies, that's it.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
You've nailed.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
It does not makes like. That doesn't make sense. So
as governor, I'm changing it. It's bespoke. And i'd sit
down with the parole board and give them instruction. Okay, hey, look,
bad behaviors, bad behavior, We don't steal. Eighth Commandment Proposition
thirty six tend to go far enough for me. Those
are rules, laws or laws. We follow the law. But
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you know what you can learn from breaking the law.
And you introduced me to some older gentleman. This one
gentleman hoser. Yes, and if you go to YouTube, he's
got called block five.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
And I watched this after I left, and this guy
inspired me. He sat down with me with a sigh.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Anyway, let me just let me just set the stage
for this. His entire face is tattooed. If you look
at him, he'd be the last person you'd want to
see in a dark alley. Smartest, sweetest guy ever just
got his bachelor's degree from cal State LA. You would
never look when you look at it, you would never guess, right.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I'd be terrified because you know, I met this one
guy when I was a bodybuilder in college. He used
to work out with some meatheads in Massachusetts when I
was going to college, and uh, you know, these guys
are hardcore gym guys, and they accepted me, and that
was cool. We're doing silly things like you. You can't
get I was big. I wait almost two sixty five,
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benching four to ten twenty one in charms and I
was big dude. But the gym they accept me. There's
one guy by the name of the Meal, and he
was all tatted up. You will meet him in a
dark alley, but he you wanted to be a friend,
had this one tattoo underneath his chin. It said, smile
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like a Meal. I've known you for a few months now,
I'm okay to ask you. We've been working out, you've
been spotting me. I've been spotting you, and we're doing
some heavy stuff. I benched four to ten, squat out
six seventy five and that what's that tattoo mean? I'm
a mercenary. I'm just college idiot, Like I don't know
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what a mercenary is. Never heard of it, he said.
I get shited done. I didn't know what that meant.
I had to look it up. But so we met
this guy, Hoser. I sit down at his table and
he's got a speckled notebook like me, and he opened
it up with a big pen in his hand, and
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he had eight questions for me. And I was there watching,
but I was thinking to myself, Oh my god. And
he was telling me a story that he's worked so
hard and he's getting his degree, his bachelor's and he
wants to come out and he was listening to my campaign.
He says, I'd really like to work with you. And
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I'm like, oh, I don't know about that, right, But
I mean the way he looks. And I got to
tell you that what was so interesting. I love this guy,
and you know, because you introduced me to him, and
he asked me so many unbelievably great questions. I would
hire him. And I even wrote wrote a letter to
the pro board. Yeah to the pro board. And what's
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so unique about him? First of all, I'd never written
a letter to parleboard before, so I had to talk
to his lawyers to find out everything about him, because
if I was putting my name on it Yep. My
name is my word, my bond, my character.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
By giving you first, that was the first.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
So, I mean, I've never done this, and I remember
he told me he was there. Tell me if I'm wrong.
It was so circumstantial. Reminds me of the young man
you were talking about before. He happened to be like
related to but did not pull a trigger, and the
guy was shot in the leg. P Hee didn't pull
the trigger, but he was like there or drove the
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car or something like that. And they didn't even expect
to rob somebody. They just ended up doing it, right, Yeah,
And it was It was an enhancement on enhancement on a.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Lot of enhancements. And it's just like the exact kind
of story where it comes back to your point of
like you gotta look at the person.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Oh, so I'm saying to myself. First of all, the
guy's unbelievable. I mean I was just blown away. Guy
was so articulate and had so many great questions and
knew what I was doing in my campaign.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
And can you imagine him in a suit working in
the horseshoe with you?
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Oh, I take him a heartbeat. I'll take this guy
anywhere you know what, I don't care what he looks like.
I take him for his soul. Yeah, I saw this
guy's soul. I saw his heart, and he wants to
come back out and end that circle of people going
from gang into the system.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
The system wants to send him to college.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
And he's an inspiration. And so I wrote that letter
to the pro World Board and I was so happy.
I love signing that letter. But you taught me that,
and I'm grateful.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Well, thanks for being open.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
It was just as it was unbelievable because explain this
to me though. I was looking at the budget of
the state penitentiary system and I don't have Maybe my
math is off, but I need to be more educating.
And I know I'm meeting some of your friends to
teach me this. But so in the California system, the
current governor let about thirty eight percent of the population
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out of the state pedicis true during COVID, so let
thirty eight percent out. But funny, the budget went from
fifteen billion to eighteen billion. Now how does that math work?
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Yeah? And I think when I started it was three billion.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Okay, so how'd you go from three billion to fifteen
to now? Eighteen, thirty eight percent of people out of
the system.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
The most incredible thing was as the numbers were dropping
and the budget was going up, they said, the Department
of Finance said to the governor, well, the only way
for you to get savings is to actually close a prison,
not just reduce the population, because then you have to
keep everyone still there even though the population is reduced. Right,
So this governor has closed five prisons, I know, but
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the budget not gone down. Then his own Department of
Finance said, close prisons and that's how you get saved.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
So what the fuck, Governor Newsom? Can't you do bath?
I mean, look, I love you, you know we're friends.
But this is just up my craw. When thirty eight
percent approximately the population goes down and you close five prisons,
and how about this. You want to know what's silly?
I did my homework. You close down Susanville. You shut
down a goddamn town. You killed the population of Susanville.
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There were two prisons there, well, two prisons in Susanville.
Well just take out a whole town. Why'd you do
your goddamn homework?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Dude?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Why am I getting I know, get a little anxious
about this, but I you know, I love him, but
you know that's just silly, fucking stupid.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
There there's I mean, I think when you get into
the weeds, there's so much.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
I want to get into the wather where the.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Weeds are, and I'll give you very brief on it.
Where can you hire doctors and nurses because they're under
they're under consent decrees and they have to hire psychologists,
doctors and nurses, and what infrastructures aging and to replace
it would cause.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
I understand the cap BAX.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
I get it, you get it, you know it.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I understand the CAPAX. There's a capital expenditure renovation Budge.
I ran hotels, Buddy, I nobody in thirty five countries
at four hundred and thirty two hotels all over the world,
different cultures. I get it. Renovations.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
I got a question for you. Yeah, what happens if
and when Kamala Harris jumps in?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
God no iq no eq. She was town deaf in
the last election, and you know what, God bless her.
Last time I talked to her was May twenty four,
twenty nineteen. Pretty interesting day.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Why what I know does it change your approach?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Why would I know that date?
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Why?
Speaker 2 (36:49):
That's the one year anniversary of my father's death. Wow,
no fucking eq, Miss Harris, How could you call me
on the one your anniversary of my father's death. One
of the largest Democratic donors in the United States, you're
not scared? Bring it on? Come on, word salad tone
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death prosecutor. You know your TikTok's are cute, but you
never signed the front of a check, Miss Harris. You
don't know what's like to come out of your pocket
for payroll. You don't know what it's like to care customers.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
So you're ready for battle.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Bring it on. You'll get her asked kicked by another businessman,
which I'm very different too. But I'm all about taking
care of customers undercover boss man. People cry, happy apprentice.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
What's the one thing you're most excited about when you
when you take that office?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
You know, number one? Taking care of the customers of California,
giving them equally greater value, making California affordable, livable, and workable,
opening it back up for business. It's so easy. I've
done the homework. I've done. No other candidates done this.
I didn't expect to do the Scott This wasn't on
my bucket list. It wasn't wasn't.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Candidate d or r question in terms of opening the
setup for business, Yeah, is that something in a state
you can do with executive orders? Is it all have
to go through the legislature.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
I've been a legislator, I've done laws. I've been a regulator,
and I've been a judge. I've been trained by the
great Harry Reid and Bill Clinton. I've been thirty nine
years around the hoop. I'm just not a business guy.
I've been a business guy that's actually served federal office,
state office, and I've done local stuff too. I do
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things very efficial. You want action day one, I'll take
the keys right now. I'm ready. I'm ready, right now,
you give me the keys. I do not need training.
I'm ready to go. I'm ready to come up with
the California Department of Performance and Results. Oh wow, you
know what that's acromanym is tell me cp R A ah,
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we need it. And guess what, Because I was going
to be a cardiothoracic surgeon, I'm trained.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Are you worried about a lieutenant governor?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
You know, lieutenant governor they do interesting things but you know,
I do have a favorite candidate other than yourself, lieutenant governor.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
No, no, I'm saying, isn't the current lieutenant governor running
for governor?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
No one knows her name.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
He pronounced her last name. And by the way, she's
out of touch. E Lenny is out of touch. I
could never pronounce her first name. So I met her
first and she three hours. She's always like, you're kidding
me right now, no solutions. She was talking about her
dad the whole time, how much your dad could run
for president of the United States with one hand, time
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by his back. After she told me she was her
Greek lineage, which I respect, and I told her about
the partners I had in Greece. The aprobopolis is the
minister of tourism, the minister of state. She goes, oh wow,
I said, yeah, she's telling him about her dad and
how cool I bet her dad's really cool, and how
she's only signed a few checks and worked in accounting
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for a little bit and did a little title network
but she never really ran the company. And she's got
like a hundred conflicts of interest. I've got none. But
so if you tell me how about her dad, and
I'm sitting there, I'm listening, and I'm going so your
dad can run for president with one hand to him back.
He's given you everything, He's you're an heiress. Basically, I said,
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I am your father.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
That's crazy. So you told her her daddy.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I didn't. I didn't say that. I'm thinking to myself quietly,
I am your father. Oh cool, I haven't met her dad.
I bet her that's really cool because her dad was
self make guy and I'm self make guy. What do
you think the most dis's like my daughter? What do
you think the most intelligence of my twenty one year
old daughter?
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Lubec? What do you think the most dysfunctional department in
state government is the most dysfunctional? Yeah? I mean I
asked because when I came to your office, you had
all these binders right yeah, on every issue in every department.
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And you also called me when we were talking about
CDCR to meet people who could take you through the
entire budget line by line. Right, So how deep you
go into the weeds? So I know you've looked at
all these different departments like.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Well I have. I'm gonna I'm gonna flip it on you. Okay,
your customer California as well. I'm going to ask everyone this,
what inhibits you from doing good business in California? What
bothers you the most?
Speaker 3 (41:58):
I mean, I I think from what I hear from everybody,
it's just insane excessive regulations.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
You got it over three hundred and eighty thousand.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Is that a department?
Speaker 2 (42:09):
It's called the Department of being fucked up?
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
That's a defined term. That's called claws on laws on laws,
which are regulations on regulations which, you know what, add
to full time employees to manage the nonsense without any
return on invested capital. So it's band aids on band
aids that we have bleeding. We've got wounds bleeding in
the state.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
So what Gavin did around the signing of the budget
in terms of housing and trying to get through a
lot of those regulations as a big step in the
right direction. No, not a big step.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
He's never built fuck shit in his life. I've been
a builder since I'm my twenties. I built throughout all
southern California. I operated numerous hotels in California. I'll say
what I do, Okay, But with the California Department of
performance and results, and I grow the CPR CPR, and
I grow the exports of our great state all five
x sports, travel and tourism, innovation, manufacturing, entertainment, okay, education
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and agriculture.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
I think the first day I met you, you said
the film Intetive should have been two to three billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
At least we can go nine point four to seven billion.
I told you two billion dollars. You're gonna see what
I unleashed next week. Two billion dollars. I mean, with
all due respect to your hard work from last November,
applaud you. It's a baby step.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yep, I agree, it's a baby step.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
It's the first step because guess what act like a
fucking country, the country, California act like country, and let's
go on offense, not defense. We don't resist. I've said
this numerous times. It is just so crazy. Yeah, So
our regulations are insane, you know, because I've done all
this due diligence, and now I know no other candidates
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done this, or they're not willing to talk about it
because they're sucked into the system because they pandered. I
don't pander it to anybody. Tell hard truths. Over the
last ten years, this state had bloated with new federal
state employees, not federal state employees, forty five thousand people FTAs.
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That's why I said federal FTAs full time employees, forty
five thousand more people. And we've lost a million people
from forty million to thirty nine million. But our employee
count in the state more regulations which lead to more employees.
You got to go the other way. You have to
be efficient performance and results. I got a question for you, Yes, sir,
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it's the important. I don't know if anyone's ever asked
you this. Let me ask me this question a long
time ago. If you had one day on planet Earth
with somebody that's not alive, not alive, Washington, Socrates, Einstein, anyone,
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who would you choose it to be? And why?
Speaker 3 (44:56):
My grandmother, Oh, grandma at Tea.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Yeah, tell me about her.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Tough woman from the Depression, but loved me how much.
And she loved me so much and really guided me,
helped me my father's mother and which she was a
piece of work. She's very tough. Was she from uh
from New York? But Russian Jew? Yeah, And as much
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as I could get incredible knowledge from the Einstein's of
the World and others. It's like I think I watched
I don't know if you remember that movie that Spielberg
made that people really didn't like, called Ai the Robot Movie.
The last like fifteen minutes of the movie, he got
to bring his mother back from the dead and spend
twenty four hours with his mother. And there was a
little kid, right, and I'm gonna have to check it out.
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Oh man, I cried like a baby.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
I don't want Let's go back to your grandma. Want
to tell me about your grandma.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
Yeah, it was just like you know what did she
She had just unbelievable belief in pushing me to like
accomplish my dreams and do whatever I want. And I
think it trickled down to my dad and my parents
and like no one's something. I mean, I was pre
med right. My dad's a doctor. I decided I was
going to go into the movie business. He said, thank God,
go go with God. Go like there was no resistance.
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And I think it's because of his own experience. And
I attribute that a lot to my grandmother. She was
an amazing woman.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Tell me some of the great things she did.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Oh man, My grandfather who was hilarious, like I wanted
to start a DJ company. Yeah, and he when he
grew up in a depression and he's like, no, you
can't spend all that money. You can't do that. And
she told him to shut the fuck up. And she
didn't say that, Yeah she did, and she told me.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
This is like what in the seventies, eighties, nineties, nineties
she told nineties.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Yeah, she told my grandma her husband to shut the
fuck up. And then she told me to spend a
couple grand by in the equipment, and I did and
I ended up making a fortune. So I guess I
guess UH was good to helping me take risk, smart risks,
calculating risks. I mean, you're not where you're at today
without taking a lot of risks and probably failing a
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lot too, and learning from failures when you well do.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
I think failure is incredible.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
I would say, bring it on.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Yeah. I think so many people are scared to try
because they're scared to fail. And when you stop being
scared of failure.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
You can't be successful unless.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Without without being willing to fail. Right, So tell me, wait, wait,
I'm back at you. What was your biggest failure that
became the greatest lesson.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
My My biggest failure, but greatest lesson was I a
guy on my board. I always made sure my banks.
I never to go shoot with my banks. Never, and
I always, you know, if they said whatever the it was,
I said I'd done. And all of a sudden, I
got this public company and I got this knucklehead on
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my board. He said, we got to negotiate with your banks.
And I said, I don't negotiate with my banks. They're there,
they've been for with me. I've never negotiated with my banks.
Don't make me do this. Well, you have a fiducia
obligation to your stockholders. You got to do this. So
this guy's like, up my shit, and I'm like, dude,
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I give you your stock. It's a real douche anyway.
So I go and negotiate like fifty basis mots that's
like a half a percent. I'm like, I don't want
to do this, So I go and do it. We've
got this letter of credit for half a billion dollars.
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And I was so uneasy because I've never done this,
and I'm a man of my word. I give somebody
my word. I got my handshake guy, and this is
November of eight and things are like shitty. Two weeks
after this, we get this letter of intent and I
go back in two weeks later in New York after
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we're negotiating half a percent. It's the middle of November
and I go up there to this company and they go, hey,
that line of credit that we offered you, it's now zero,
no line of credit. I'm like, motherfucker. I'm like, I
am fucked over because this guy I wanted me to
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negotiate over a half a percent on against everything I knew.
And I should have just bitch slapped that guy. He said,
get the fuck off my board. That's what I should
have said. He turned out to be a bigger problem.
But he had no gut and I'm a I'd never
go against your your man of your word. Just do it, Yeah,
fight it. And that was and that was the big.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
You never made that mistake again, did you fuck so stupid?
Speaker 2 (50:00):
I knew it. I knew it. I will never ever
everyone let anyone get my way of my gut and
my character and my name. I will always live this
great lesson.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
So it's a great lesson.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
I'm telling you, But see, Grandma, it's funny my grandpa.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
You would say, Grandpa, that's my grandpa.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Yeah, and you know that mom's mom or dad's mom,
My dad's dad.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
That's right, dad's dad.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
What was his name, Copel Jake. I named my son
after him. If you die, I talk about him or
my dad will start to cry.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
What was his personality like?
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Well, he was a hard charger, came over from Russia
in the early nineteen hundreds and you know nothing.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
They were both Russians.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Yeah, what's Bill Roust today? Baranovicci And I can tell
you if he and I hung out together. He was
in the produce business in Chicago, watermelons, Grandberry's and Christmas trees,
a jew selling Christmas trees. Number two in the United
States and number one guy was New York. My grandpa,
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Jake Jack Clubec was number two. And he's really proud
and he worked hard. I worked hard at four am,
play cards, hard charger and he just took risk. And
my dad was the first person to go to college.
So we always believed in good education. But so my grandparents,
my dad's parents. His his wife's the best Jenny. She
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taught me how to cook, So I became a good cook.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
Do you cook?
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (51:30):
Yeah, No, I'm like the fuck you cook?
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (51:34):
I thought you had like ten chefs.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
No, I'm better cooked than anyone else. Shit. I had
hundreds of chefs in my company, and I teach them
how to make the best Caesar dressing in the world.
I test chefs.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
What food do you not like?
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Oh, I'll eat I'll eat liver and onions.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
What don't you like?
Speaker 2 (51:54):
What don't I like? Yeah, that's a good question because
I eat pop Eyes. I had pop Eyes this morning.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
A matter of fact, there's no food you like.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
You like a thing where I don't like?
Speaker 3 (52:05):
What would your last meal be? Oh?
Speaker 2 (52:08):
My let probably a good steak, charred black and blue,
big baked potato, onion rings, Come on, bean potatoes, guy
di coke, I'm happy, take me out. What and then
you know what I want for dessert? What would you
have for dessert?
Speaker 3 (52:25):
Banana cream pie?
Speaker 2 (52:26):
All right? Well, you know what, I'm a lemon merangue pie.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
Oh love it, loved heart. So do you like key lime?
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Key lime is good, but lemon Merang's my favorite? So
you know what? This has been epic today. We did
a lot of great things, and I'm so grateful and
honored you were here this show. You know, it's funny
because we've had people with humor. I have a politics policy,
but you're you're both your entertainment and politics and policy.
You're going to reshape California, working hard.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
But I have more questions for you. I have one last.
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Is it your fucking podcast or mine?
Speaker 3 (52:59):
I ask you this. I don't know if you're fascinating.
I just have to what time ideally do you like
to go to bed at night? And what time ideally
do you like to wake up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
I need very little sleep, and I've got this new
hyperbaric chamber that's making me even younger and younger each day.
So I'll go to bed like I don't know one
get up at five day thirty. By the way, if
you want to stay up on a staff contest, I've
stayed up two and a half days. That was the
longest I kicked everyone. I've done it. I will do
(53:29):
whatever it takes to get the job done. Roll up
my sleeves and get it done. I love what I do.
I love what I do. It's so much fun. I've
never worked a day in my life and you seem
to be that way too. You have fun.
Speaker 3 (53:41):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
I watch your institute. You're all over the world.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
Yeah, I don't. I don't feel in twenty years I've
ever gone to work. And I work more than my
man working.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
We love what we do. I love it, and you know,
I want to make people's lives better.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
That part my work is helping people.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
We agree to that, and you know what, let's try
to work on this MHM United States California Unification on
Entertainment that part.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
Yeah, I'm all in with you.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
I love it. Thanks for being here.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
Yes, I appreciate your brother California, California, get it.
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hi, I'm Stephen J. Kluebeck and I know this is
formally noted Heart Truth of Stephen J. Klubec, but it's
a Stephen Jklubec podcast and today, as you know, we
always have fascinating friends here on the show, and today
I'm here with my dear friend Scott bud Neck.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Thank you for having me, brother, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
And we're going to talk about some interesting concepts, always
hard truths, as you know, but today we're going to
talk about Hollywood, how important it is to California, and
also prison reform and what it's like the system. Because
Scott is is so involved, he's taught me so much,
I'm going to talk about that too on the show today.
But the biggest topic California today is keeping Hollywood in Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I know you've been working your ass off on this.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
It has been uh, it's been quite the campaign. And
when we started it in November didn't look like anything
was going to happen.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Where are you getting pushed back from?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Man? Horrible budget, a lot of cuts happening in social services,
lots of potential cuts happening from the federal government. Just
very bad budget year. Like a lot of people were like,
we believe in this, but not now, not if not now?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
When?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Well that was my I mean a lot of people
that aren't part of the business and are not from
la right, so to be able to have them understand
that we have people workers everyday, workers that have been
in the business for twenty years.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Electrical grits, catering vendors, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Who have had to sell their home and are living
in their cars, who were making quarter of a million
dollars one hundred thousand dollars every year prior.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
It's that bad, well, you know, it's you know, my
oldest son, Jake is a creative producer, and my half
adopted son zac Efron is zach Efron is the actor,
Yes he is. And my son has a lot of
friends in the industry, young actors Noah, you know, And
(02:42):
it's crazy to me because I hear their stories of
their struggle and I have difference. Like Morgan Fairchild, there's
just like on the verge of tears being almost evicted
from her apartment. We're talking Morgan Fairchild. I mean, she's iconic,
and it boggles my mind because as I've seen this
(03:04):
from Afar, as you know, running for governor. It's so
intuitive to me because I ran tourism in the United States.
I was in the hospitality business you all know, for
a long time, and hospitality is unique because it has
such trickle down effect. First, while you can work in
hospitality without a college degree, same thing in entertainment you
(03:24):
don't need a college degree. That's important and it's an
export and people don't understand. When I was running Brand USA,
I created Brand USA of the United States of America
and worked for the White House. I had to convince,
convince senators and representatives in the House Congress how important
tourism and travel was the United States after the Lost
(03:47):
Decade of Travel, and it was twenty three percent of
the United States exports. That means we make money, all
of us to our GDP of the United States through
international visitors coming into the United States.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
And what's California best known for Hollywood? Yeah, that entertainment.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
So so I think what we have to do together,
and you and I talked about this before, but we
got to explain it a little bit now that you've
done this great work in the state to bring this
to the attention, to take the budget from three hundred
and thirty million dollars. And you say it's a tax incentive,
and I want you to change your language with me.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yes, I want you to call.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
It an investment in.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah. I love that.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
It is not a tax incentive. It's an investment in
because the money comes back, that's right. And what we
were doing with tourismen travel in the United States, it
was an investment in the marketing of the United States
after the lost decade of travel, and the return on
invested capital for travel and tourism in the United States
(04:50):
was in excess of twenty five to one. And I've
just run some funny math. Yeah, and I think I
shared it with you.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
You did.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
So if we look at the value of entertainment for
the United States of America, our federal government, all of
us together, united and unified, entertainment is twenty to twenty
to one return on invested capital entertainment big number. So
travel in tourism, entertainment. And that was one of my
(05:21):
philosophies and running for governor, really crowing about these great
exports in California, and it happens to be tourism and
travel and entertainment and actually coupling them together in California.
California's got, you know, with tourism and travel, this great
export because we travel inside our state, we have people
coming from other states into California, and we've got international visitation. Now,
(05:46):
what does Hollywood do Entertainment? Hollywood's worldwide. And for us
not to have a not just a coalition of ourselves
within the big country of California, those we're the fourth
largest economy in the world. Using that horse par married
with the federal government uniting and making Hollywood Hollywood again.
(06:10):
Because if you do the math, Georgia has five hundred
and sixty three billion dollars in GDP and their incentive
structure is like one point three billion.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
We in California we're at three hundred and thirty million.
Pathetic joke for.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Ten years, been stuck at three hundred thirty million, ey joke.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
And now you worked really hard to just get it
to over seven hundred million dollars. That's not even competitive
with Georgia. You had to really bust your balls. And
what's our GDP our GP's four point one trillion dollars.
So if you do the inverse math, I did it
on chat GPT. Matter of fact, you know what I did.
Tell me, I sent this math to President Trump and
(06:58):
to Gavin Newsom group text, a group text together, I'll
sut together, I'll show it you. Of course they didn't respond,
but I know they both got it. And then I
did it again today and I'll talk about that in
a minute because we're going to talk about where this
is going. Yeah, So if you do the inverse math,
chat GBT did it for me, California with its four
(07:19):
point one trillion dollar GDP could actually invest in Hollywood
nine point four seven billion dollars to be competitive with
the state of Georgia.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
So basically ten x ten.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
X, and that's going to give us a twenty to
one multiplier effect.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
That part.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I mean, you don't have to be a rocket side
to figure out this math.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
If we invest, you need to be able to use
chat GPT.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
You're right, you're right. So I mean I showed the
President and our governor Gavin his chat GPT. I know
they got it. No response because they don't I don't
think they get along. I know that don't think so.
I don't think they get a lot. But you know,
I sent them another text today after you and I talked,
(08:06):
and now we're talking about this. You said, what's the
biggest threat? It's not just against ourselves because we've kind
of given away Hollywood, California just had their eye off
the ball. We forgot about our greatest export and a
source of GDP that trickles down to everyone, down to
dry cleaners, Taco bell. So everybody, what is the biggest
threat right now? It's not the States in between the States,
(08:29):
what is it?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
It's international.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
It's London, London.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Let me let me one example. Yeah, go, I had
a bunch of guys that I mentored who were in
the foster care system, juvenile justice system that got out,
changed their life, went to college, became union grips, worked
on the Mandalorian Great job. Lucasfilm Star Wars Right, employing
thousands of people down in the stages in Rendando Beach,
(08:52):
thousands multiple shows. Lucasfilms last December decided they're going to
move all their operations to London. All those shows, thousands
of workers, unemployed, went to London save money. So even
if we can neutralize, even if we can take your
nine billion dollars and become competitive with Atlanta and New
(09:14):
York and New Jersey, which we are now. New York
and New Jersey we're about equal with right now in
terms of this new credit. But if we can become
competitive with everyone in the United States, they're still going
to be running to London and Romanian Bulgaria.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
In Canada, they can actually fly their cheaper Huh.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
It is cheaper to fly four hundred crew members and
put them in a hotel in London and make the show.
Then to make it here.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Insanity.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
So we need a federal credit.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I get it. I'll show you the text that I
sent them today after our conversation. I'll show you this,
I said them. So they got two texts from me,
and I know they got it. But maybe they can
wake up. Maybe we can push on this together. I done.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I'm all in.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
You are, so let me ask you a question. I'm
a fan of yours in many ways.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Oh damn, what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Wow? Straight dude, Okay, let's be really clear right now.
I can give your references. I got a long.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Listener hangover, so you can't say stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
And I want to talk about the hangover because I'm
a big fan of a matter of fact, I actually
my dentist actually did remove the tooth at Helms removed.
I did not understand the guy actually removed his tooth. Yeah,
he got a total implant. Correct, that's committed. Yeah, I
didn't the same. I'm telling you, buddy, Atlanta, Georgia. To
(10:42):
my dentist, doctor Rifkin, he told me, he said, you're
not gonna believe what I did. I'm like, what, so like,
I took out this guy's tooth and I put in
a fake tooth for a movie. I'm like, what movie?
I said, I can't tell you. I bet I figured
it out afterwards. I said, well, that's what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
The only one up to that would be if your
doctor was mister Chow. You know he was a real doctor.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Well I was going to be a real doctor. Did
you know that?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
No.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I have a degree in neuro biopsychology. I did my
thesis on Alzheimer's. I worked at Cedars on a four years.
I was worked in the er for six months. I
was taking about dead bodies for three and a half years.
I worked in b one. You know why I liked it. No,
no one talked back. It was a great job.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I was pre med for one semester.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I was pre med for all four years. I got
my degree and I pivoted.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
When you could have never been a doctor, Oh yeah
I could.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I would have been great.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
You'd be so bored.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
No, you know what if I was and I was
gonna be a cardiothracy. No, I'm telling you. I've got
the hands of grace. I could crack a skull, cut
a y cut, take out the ribcage. I was so
good anatomically, my skills became perfect.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
That would just be such a waste of your skill set.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
No, but I listen, But that's what I was going
to do. I didn't know it was can go into
business And it's crazy because it was okay with me.
I was just like I was published on three abstracts
with doctor Swan Gans. I worked with tangentially and doctor
Matt Loff. If doctor Mattloff had a bad day, he
was a cardiothoracic surgeon. Because we did in vivo versus
(12:14):
in vitro validation of the echo cardiograph two point zero.
Today they got four point zero. But see, I'm a
science guy, and it's crazy because if doctor Mattloffe, the
great cardiac surgeon, had a bad day, and we looked
at all of his patients prior to that's in vivo
when they're living. We'd see them in vitro when they
(12:35):
were in b one and he have a bad day,
he'd lose like three, all of them, all three die.
He like statistics. He had a bad day.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
To entertain anyway, he was very good.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
So I'd like talking about dead bodies. I'm just so
live no entertainments. Let's talk about your your stuff. So
did that actually really pissed in Mike Tyson's pool?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
He pissed in a pool, wasn't Mike Tyson's did the
Did the lion really eat the steak?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Lion's love steak. They don't like cinnamon, they don't like simon.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Okay, I was just curious. I just wanted to know
if it was the craziest thing in that movie that
happened that you did not expect to happen. Oh secret, I.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Would say that there's this there's the moment where mister
child jumps out of the trunk naked, but it was
written that he was supposed to be wearing pants, but
it was his idea to do it naked.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
He's I met him in Las Vegas. You know, I
was in Las Vegas for a long time building time
and resorts, and I met him. He's a good guy
and he is a doctor.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yeah, great guy, great, great doctor.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
He's funnier and shit.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
So so he came up to me the day before
and he said, I want to do it naked, and
I had to negotiate with Warner Brothers and get nudity releases, etcetera, etcetera.
Brought it to his room at eleven o'clock at night,
signed it. So we did it naked. It was one
hundred and ten degrees out the empty parking lot across
from the Mandolay. Yeah, and one hundred and ten degrees.
(13:57):
You're right. You had to keep jumping out of that
trunk naked onto Bradley Cooper's shoulders. But it's you know, sweaty,
it's nasty.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
But you know what's so easy When it's that hot,
you can't see anything on camera because it's like inside
your body.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
That clearly.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
We forgot trust me, I live there.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
We forgot to clear it with the cops.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Oh no, so Metro came naked, so Metro jumping out
Metro trunk Metro came by.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, they tried to shut us down. People were in
the hotels.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
We didn't have a sheriff's number.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
People in the hotels. You could have called for the
sheriff's I didn't know you when we were doing the hangover.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I'm telling you, it was down the street.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I didn't know you. I know you were, I know you.
We would have had so much fun. I was living
in Caesar's Palace for like two months.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Oh we we would have been dead. If you were,
we would have been the hangover.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Did you know Gary Soles?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I know Gary seles back to the hard rock days.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Oh yeah, no, I know I know everyone. I'm a chairman,
ri I p Gary, God, God rest his soul.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
By the way, let me just say this. Every single
hotel group in they guests passed on the hangover. The
only person that said yes to do the hangover. After
every hotel passed, MGM Sheldonato Stein, Steve win Palms, everyone passed.
The only person that said yes was Gary Selesner Caesar's Palace.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
The presidents are all kicking themselves in their nuts.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, he's now because of the hangover. He built Nobu,
the Nobu Hotel, mister chow Omnia Now, uh car, Now
what's the steakhouse in New York? Peter Lugers. They're all
his brain child's classic. Yeah in a recession.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
No, I I know, but you know, we were there.
I was there. I saw what you guys were doing.
But they filmed some pretty epic movies. When I was
a kid. My father had the Jockey Club and they
filmed casino at the Jockeys and my dad and so
I met. I remember, I met everyone. I met Sharon
Stone for a second time because I went out with
(15:55):
her first. We were round in the rain Man. Nope,
did not see that. But I met De Naro and Pashi.
Used to go to dinner at this place called Joey
Pigs on East d m. Joey Pignotello. It's cool. It's
a lot of Mafia X Mafia guys, old days Vegas.
(16:16):
I kind of grew up there. I got a lot
of stories. I met this one guy when I was
a kid waiting for my dad to play golf every
day at Las Vegas Country Club. I was probably sixteen fifteen,
sixteen years old. I would wait for Hm at Las
Vegas Country Club at the bar and I'd have a
coke by Coke whatever. He says. His name is Mo,
like a mol just met this guy all the time.
(16:36):
I had no idea who I was talking to. Mo
Dlitz met Joey Kusamano, Mo Dlitz, all these guys. M
it's a trip. What's your favorite movie you did?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I made a really crazy movie called Project X, which
is like a high school house party movie. It was
it's like the animal house of like young kids these days,
or at least it was ten years ago. It was
the most fun I had making it. Made it all,
made it all Warner Brothers in La but uh, it
was a blast. Old school was a blast. Old School
was like my first real producer credit, Will Ferrell, Vince Vaughn,
(17:10):
Luke Wilson. That was a blast. Due date, it was
a lot of fun. That was Robert Downey Junior. Zach
Alvinakis went back to my hometown of Atlanta, Georgia, started
shooting there.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
You're from Atlanta, then I am, sir.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Then moved west. That's New Mexico, sir, What's that?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
He said?
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Sir, Yes, sir, wow, a good Southern boy.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
So respect you, Gov from your mouth to God's ears
for all of us in California. Because I actually know
what to do. I'm ready to take the keys tomorrow.
It's funny. I was talking with with Governor Newsom a
couple of weeks ago. He goes said, oh, yes, everyone
beat me up. It's like I've got an expiration date,
and I'm like, Governor, your expiration date's my birth date.
(17:53):
M He said, get out of here. And I poke
each other. We just we love each other. We're good guys.
He's a good guy. He's really a good guy. He
just he's a good guy. He just you know, when
you're in the business world and you've done federal work
like I have, and you've come up really hard and
state work. You tried to run the United State Athletic
(18:14):
Commission with all those promoters and boxers and refs and fighters,
that's nuts. Yeah. I had this one day. One day,
there was a guy who tried to get a license
when I was a regulator, and I was the judge
that day too, because we were in court every month.
So of course new new licensees are coming up. This
(18:35):
lawyer came in from Florida. He was a shill. He
lied to me. You know, you lie to me, you die,
You must might trust you're dead. And I caught him
lying and I denied him as license. And it was
just it was an interesting show. But he should didn't
(18:59):
do homework because there's been others that had lied to
me in front of the commission. And I was, you know,
the nicest, greatest guy, but I was the hanging judge.
The Democrats, the hanging judge. They're like, you can't be
a Democrat, You're a hanging judge. I'm like, no, you
lie to me, you die in you know, character, integrity
is everything. It's a big part of my book, facing
(19:20):
hard truths. And I figured out this guy lies, so
I denied him his license. So we went to the
executive director and said, what just happened to me? He said,
you've never seen the clueback express. You just got hit
by it. He goes, what's that?
Speaker 3 (19:36):
I don't ever want to see that?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Well, no, no, it's really good in first class because
you get champagne caviat, a movie, a massage, and you
get you in the front of that train. You know
what you turn into pink missed. Look it up. It's
a defined term military term. You ever heard that pick missed?
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Of course? Yeah, I know what I'm trung about.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
It's pretty interesting anyway, that's funny. So you know, you've
you and I have spent a lot of time together
on your charity. Tell me about what you're doing. It's
not a charity, it's more than a charity. Air Sea.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah. I two thousand and four, about twenty plus years ago,
went down to a juvenile hall in San Fernando Valley. Yeah,
I met a bunch of kids fourteen, fifteen, sixteen years
old facing life in prison. I walked in there, sat down.
There was a kid to my left, tiny little kid
is fifteen years old? Said how was your week? He said,
(20:35):
it was a really bad week. I got sentenced to
three hundred years to life in prison. Three hundred years
to life in prison. I said, what did you do?
He said, I stood next to my friend. My friend
shot the victim in the butt. The victim was in
and out of the hospital in a day. And for
standing next to the guy with the gun, never touching
the weapon, I got three hundred years of life. And
(20:56):
I knew in that moment that if that was my kid,
he looked like me, he had my resources, he'd be
out on bail, sleeping in his own bed, not sleeping
in that steel bed in the juvenile hall, even have
the best lawyer in LA and for not touching the gun,
he would not be going to prison for three hundred
years of life.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
This isn't it. That's unbelievable because we met someone like this,
or we did, because we'll talk about that in a minute. So,
so this young man got what's called enhancement upon enhancement
upon enhancement. Now explain that in this California crazy, stupid
(21:39):
system of justice.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
So like three counts of assault with the Deli weapon,
three counts of gun enhancement, three counts of gang enhancements,
and you stack the charges. So he gets to about
three hundred years to life. And I don't even know.
He might have had no priors, so he'd never been
arrested before. I don't quite remember. But but that's it.
(22:04):
But we do the most interesting thing is when you
have to go through the parole board, the California parole board,
which is if you have a life sentence of any kind.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Right, yeah, we you introduce being to a lot of
fellows that life without the possibility of parole. We'll talk
about that in a minute. You've just been a Lancaster State. Yeah,
and we're in C block. I think we.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Went to A and C. But and you went in
and I think someone immediately challenged you in the cell
block to a push up competition for you walked in
there and you saw some really strong guy and you
challenged the way I went down.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
You took my adopted daughter, Mabel, she's the only woman
in there, to a guy's lock up. She's terrified maxim security.
It was maximum security. Yeah, she's like grabbing me, like
for dear life.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
By the ways we're going through her like it's like
you're in the officer's office. We're in the cell block.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
No, we're the cell block because we go through, like siwo.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Of your guys in there, two of your guys.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Guys, and we walk into this one block and we're touring.
I'm looking around. She's holding me tight and I walk into,
you know, one of the cells and it's like the
tiniest thing I've ever seen, with two steel bunks with
all their stuff rolled up nicely and a little desk
and a toilet, yeah, all out of steel. And I'm like,
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it's like tenor in a closet. Two guys are living
in there. And that was a little like earth shattering.
And I was just trying to with Jit chatting with
the guys, and you were over to the side with
like one of the guards, and I was there with
my daughter. And mostly there's some older guys and some
younger guys either. It was like twenty four to seventy
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three or four years old. But this one kid popped
off at me. He said he was thirty six years old.
Popped off at me. He goes, you don't have a rhiz.
I'm like, dude, I got California Riz. I grew up here.
It wasn't called it riz. It was called being a
valley boy, San Bernado, valley man. And you know, we
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got California values and we're chill, but you know we've
got a quality of life that there's a big difference
between New York and Southern California. There's a big difference
between Southern California and Northern California, for sure. I mean,
don't ever call you get you don't call Northern California
certain things and uh, Northern California, Southern California were like
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north and south. But Nevada's like that too, Northern Nevada,
Southern Nevada, so and down in southern California. The preeway system,
we say the four H five, the one one. You
don't say that up north it's called one oh one.
There's no the And you know it's also interesting I
found out I just don't get this. We have Caltrans
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that takes care of our highways. How come they look
gorgeous up north and they look like shit down south.
I'm telling you, we got beautiful trees up north line
and there's no trash. Come down south and we live
in a shithole. Whoever's in charge of Caltrans, I'd like
to talk to them, because you know what, you're northern
and southern.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
When you're governor. If there's trash on those freeways, I'm
calling you.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
There's no trash man. Guess what because once I fix
the balance, you call my ask. But you know why,
because you got my number, and everyone's gonna have my
number in California. Because I am a customer service guy,
because everyone to me is a customer in California and
more importantly, no one's ever talked like that was his voters. No,
your customer, We're all customers of California, equal or greater value.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
And I'm back to the guys.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
So we're in the cell. Thank you for keeping me
on tracking director, producer, excuse me, god forbid your producer. Okay,
you're the money guy. You got who mix all?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
You have no riz?
Speaker 1 (25:54):
No?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
So when I got no riz and I said, go, dude,
can you do push ups? And I'm like yeah, I
said how many can you do? The kid said I
could do fifty? I go great, okay, no problem. I said,
let's drop right now.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
So Klubec is on his hands and knees on the
concrete floor of a maximum securities cell block with like
I do, A much younger dude half his age in
a push up competition with a bunch of like dudes
that are shirtless and stuff like cheering them on.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I guess what, Yeah, I knew the assignment slate his ass.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
You brought your egg in, you brought your again, I.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Bring my guy. Took Terry Cruz out one night and
push ups. Go look at my Instagram. I actually took
it out and that was dangerous. That was crazy because
that guy is like mister muscle. And I did it
with Jason Kennedy at a charity event. I took my
jacket off, and you know, he goes, I could do
seventy and I'm like shit because I knew he was
fifty six and I was sixty three, and I just
did the math I needed to do eighty two percent.
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So I'm like, okay, somebody did the math in the
audience is like sixty one point two push ups, and
I'm like, okay, I did sixty four. I kicked his ass.
But so this this kid, and that was I wanted
to teach him a lesson. I want to teach him
a lesson.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
More important, you did. His life's not hard enough in prison.
I had to humiliate him.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I did to humiliate him. I wanted him to learn
the following when an older guy makes you a bet,
because he said to me, oh my god. You know
after we did this push up contest and the older
guys were looking to cheering me on, and I said, hey,
what you learn here? He goes, you're in shape, You're
swoll swollen. I don't know swool means. I know being
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in shape is and I said, no, young man, let
me tell you something. When an older man makes you
a bet and he's confident, don't take the fucking bet,
because we're going to kick your ass. And you know
why I did this, I said, pay attention to the
older guys in this block. I told him. The older
guys were like, Yay, finally somebody backing us up. You know,
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because I'm there backing up. You know, the guys who
have gone through gone through school, who have been there
up to thirty plus years in that place or in
transferred around the system because maybe they were a little
silly when they were younger.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
But how about when you laid your eyes on Hoser.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Oh my god, so I meet I meet you. You
introduced me to When I went to State penitentiary, I
talked to the guards separately, and I talked to the inmates,
lifers without possibility for and I just had this jaded
opinion to life. You know, they're in there for a reason.
Fuck them. And I came out going, oh shit, people
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can change. No, there's a better people can change. There's
a yes, there's that better way. You changed my entire
opinion of the system as I thought I knew it
but I didn't know it. It's bespoke. It's one of one.
And to have just these blanket policies, that's it.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
You've nailed.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
It does not makes like. That doesn't make sense. So
as governor, I'm changing it. It's bespoke. And i'd sit
down with the parole board and give them instruction. Okay, hey, look,
bad behaviors, bad behavior, We don't steal. Eighth Commandment Proposition
thirty six tend to go far enough for me. Those
are rules, laws or laws. We follow the law. But
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you know what you can learn from breaking the law.
And you introduced me to some older gentleman. This one
gentleman hoser. Yes, and if you go to YouTube, he's
got called block five.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
And I watched this after I left, and this guy
inspired me. He sat down with me with a sigh.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Anyway, let me just let me just set the stage
for this. His entire face is tattooed. If you look
at him, he'd be the last person you'd want to
see in a dark alley. Smartest, sweetest guy ever just
got his bachelor's degree from cal State LA. You would
never look when you look at it, you would never guess, right.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I'd be terrified because you know, I met this one
guy when I was a bodybuilder in college. He used
to work out with some meatheads in Massachusetts when I
was going to college, and uh, you know, these guys
are hardcore gym guys, and they accepted me, and that
was cool. We're doing silly things like you. You can't
get I was big. I wait almost two sixty five,
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benching four to ten twenty one in charms and I
was big dude. But the gym they accept me. There's
one guy by the name of the Meal, and he
was all tatted up. You will meet him in a
dark alley, but he you wanted to be a friend,
had this one tattoo underneath his chin. It said, smile
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like a Meal. I've known you for a few months now,
I'm okay to ask you. We've been working out, you've
been spotting me. I've been spotting you, and we're doing
some heavy stuff. I benched four to ten, squat out
six seventy five and that what's that tattoo mean? I'm
a mercenary. I'm just college idiot, Like I don't know
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what a mercenary is. Never heard of it, he said.
I get shited done. I didn't know what that meant.
I had to look it up. But so we met
this guy, Hoser. I sit down at his table and
he's got a speckled notebook like me, and he opened
it up with a big pen in his hand, and
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he had eight questions for me. And I was there watching,
but I was thinking to myself, Oh my god. And
he was telling me a story that he's worked so
hard and he's getting his degree, his bachelor's and he
wants to come out and he was listening to my campaign.
He says, I'd really like to work with you. And
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I'm like, oh, I don't know about that, right, But
I mean the way he looks. And I got to
tell you that what was so interesting. I love this guy,
and you know, because you introduced me to him, and
he asked me so many unbelievably great questions. I would
hire him. And I even wrote wrote a letter to
the pro board. Yeah to the pro board. And what's
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so unique about him? First of all, I'd never written
a letter to parleboard before, so I had to talk
to his lawyers to find out everything about him, because
if I was putting my name on it Yep. My
name is my word, my bond, my character.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
By giving you first, that was the first.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
So, I mean, I've never done this, and I remember
he told me he was there. Tell me if I'm wrong.
It was so circumstantial. Reminds me of the young man
you were talking about before. He happened to be like
related to but did not pull a trigger, and the
guy was shot in the leg. P Hee didn't pull
the trigger, but he was like there or drove the
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car or something like that. And they didn't even expect
to rob somebody. They just ended up doing it, right, Yeah,
And it was It was an enhancement on enhancement on a.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Lot of enhancements. And it's just like the exact kind
of story where it comes back to your point of
like you gotta look at the person.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Oh, so I'm saying to myself. First of all, the
guy's unbelievable. I mean I was just blown away. Guy
was so articulate and had so many great questions and
knew what I was doing in my campaign.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
And can you imagine him in a suit working in
the horseshoe with you?
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Oh, I take him a heartbeat. I'll take this guy
anywhere you know what, I don't care what he looks like.
I take him for his soul. Yeah, I saw this
guy's soul. I saw his heart, and he wants to
come back out and end that circle of people going
from gang into the system.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
The system wants to send him to college.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
And he's an inspiration. And so I wrote that letter
to the pro World Board and I was so happy.
I love signing that letter. But you taught me that,
and I'm grateful.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Well, thanks for being open.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
It was just as it was unbelievable because explain this
to me though. I was looking at the budget of
the state penitentiary system and I don't have Maybe my
math is off, but I need to be more educating.
And I know I'm meeting some of your friends to
teach me this. But so in the California system, the
current governor let about thirty eight percent of the population
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out of the state pedicis true during COVID, so let
thirty eight percent out. But funny, the budget went from
fifteen billion to eighteen billion. Now how does that math work?
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Yeah? And I think when I started it was three billion.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Okay, so how'd you go from three billion to fifteen
to now? Eighteen, thirty eight percent of people out of
the system.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
The most incredible thing was as the numbers were dropping
and the budget was going up, they said, the Department
of Finance said to the governor, well, the only way
for you to get savings is to actually close a prison,
not just reduce the population, because then you have to
keep everyone still there even though the population is reduced. Right,
So this governor has closed five prisons, I know, but
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the budget not gone down. Then his own Department of
Finance said, close prisons and that's how you get saved.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
So what the fuck, Governor Newsom? Can't you do bath?
I mean, look, I love you, you know we're friends.
But this is just up my craw. When thirty eight
percent approximately the population goes down and you close five prisons,
and how about this. You want to know what's silly?
I did my homework. You close down Susanville. You shut
down a goddamn town. You killed the population of Susanville.
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There were two prisons there, well, two prisons in Susanville.
Well just take out a whole town. Why'd you do
your goddamn homework?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Dude?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Why am I getting I know, get a little anxious
about this, but I you know, I love him, but
you know that's just silly, fucking stupid.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
There there's I mean, I think when you get into
the weeds, there's so much.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
I want to get into the wather where the.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Weeds are, and I'll give you very brief on it.
Where can you hire doctors and nurses because they're under
they're under consent decrees and they have to hire psychologists,
doctors and nurses, and what infrastructures aging and to replace
it would cause.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
I understand the cap BAX.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
I get it, you get it, you know it.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I understand the CAPAX. There's a capital expenditure renovation Budge.
I ran hotels, Buddy, I nobody in thirty five countries
at four hundred and thirty two hotels all over the world,
different cultures. I get it. Renovations.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
I got a question for you. Yeah, what happens if
and when Kamala Harris jumps in?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
God no iq no eq. She was town deaf in
the last election, and you know what, God bless her.
Last time I talked to her was May twenty four,
twenty nineteen. Pretty interesting day.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Why what I know does it change your approach?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Why would I know that date?
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Why?
Speaker 2 (36:49):
That's the one year anniversary of my father's death. Wow,
no fucking eq, Miss Harris, How could you call me
on the one your anniversary of my father's death. One
of the largest Democratic donors in the United States, you're
not scared? Bring it on? Come on, word salad tone
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death prosecutor. You know your TikTok's are cute, but you
never signed the front of a check, Miss Harris. You
don't know what's like to come out of your pocket
for payroll. You don't know what it's like to care customers.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
So you're ready for battle.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Bring it on. You'll get her asked kicked by another businessman,
which I'm very different too. But I'm all about taking
care of customers undercover boss man. People cry, happy apprentice.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
What's the one thing you're most excited about when you
when you take that office?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
You know, number one? Taking care of the customers of California,
giving them equally greater value, making California affordable, livable, and workable,
opening it back up for business. It's so easy. I've
done the homework. I've done. No other candidates done this.
I didn't expect to do the Scott This wasn't on
my bucket list. It wasn't wasn't.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Candidate d or r question in terms of opening the
setup for business, Yeah, is that something in a state
you can do with executive orders? Is it all have
to go through the legislature.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
I've been a legislator, I've done laws. I've been a regulator,
and I've been a judge. I've been trained by the
great Harry Reid and Bill Clinton. I've been thirty nine
years around the hoop. I'm just not a business guy.
I've been a business guy that's actually served federal office,
state office, and I've done local stuff too. I do
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things very efficial. You want action day one, I'll take
the keys right now. I'm ready. I'm ready, right now,
you give me the keys. I do not need training.
I'm ready to go. I'm ready to come up with
the California Department of Performance and Results. Oh wow, you
know what that's acromanym is tell me cp R A ah,
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we need it. And guess what, Because I was going
to be a cardiothoracic surgeon, I'm trained.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Are you worried about a lieutenant governor?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
You know, lieutenant governor they do interesting things but you know,
I do have a favorite candidate other than yourself, lieutenant governor.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
No, no, I'm saying, isn't the current lieutenant governor running
for governor?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
No one knows her name.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
He pronounced her last name. And by the way, she's
out of touch. E Lenny is out of touch. I
could never pronounce her first name. So I met her
first and she three hours. She's always like, you're kidding
me right now, no solutions. She was talking about her
dad the whole time, how much your dad could run
for president of the United States with one hand, time
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by his back. After she told me she was her
Greek lineage, which I respect, and I told her about
the partners I had in Greece. The aprobopolis is the
minister of tourism, the minister of state. She goes, oh wow,
I said, yeah, she's telling him about her dad and
how cool I bet her dad's really cool, and how
she's only signed a few checks and worked in accounting
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for a little bit and did a little title network
but she never really ran the company. And she's got
like a hundred conflicts of interest. I've got none. But
so if you tell me how about her dad, and
I'm sitting there, I'm listening, and I'm going so your
dad can run for president with one hand to him back.
He's given you everything, He's you're an heiress. Basically, I said,
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I am your father.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
That's crazy. So you told her her daddy.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I didn't. I didn't say that. I'm thinking to myself quietly,
I am your father. Oh cool, I haven't met her dad.
I bet her that's really cool because her dad was
self make guy and I'm self make guy. What do
you think the most dis's like my daughter? What do
you think the most intelligence of my twenty one year
old daughter?
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Lubec? What do you think the most dysfunctional department in
state government is the most dysfunctional? Yeah? I mean I
asked because when I came to your office, you had
all these binders right yeah, on every issue in every department.
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And you also called me when we were talking about
CDCR to meet people who could take you through the
entire budget line by line. Right, So how deep you
go into the weeds? So I know you've looked at
all these different departments like.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Well I have. I'm gonna I'm gonna flip it on you. Okay,
your customer California as well. I'm going to ask everyone this,
what inhibits you from doing good business in California? What
bothers you the most?
Speaker 3 (41:58):
I mean, I I think from what I hear from everybody,
it's just insane excessive regulations.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
You got it over three hundred and eighty thousand.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Is that a department?
Speaker 2 (42:09):
It's called the Department of being fucked up?
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
That's a defined term. That's called claws on laws on laws,
which are regulations on regulations which, you know what, add
to full time employees to manage the nonsense without any
return on invested capital. So it's band aids on band
aids that we have bleeding. We've got wounds bleeding in
the state.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
So what Gavin did around the signing of the budget
in terms of housing and trying to get through a
lot of those regulations as a big step in the
right direction. No, not a big step.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
He's never built fuck shit in his life. I've been
a builder since I'm my twenties. I built throughout all
southern California. I operated numerous hotels in California. I'll say
what I do, Okay, But with the California Department of
performance and results, and I grow the CPR CPR, and
I grow the exports of our great state all five
x sports, travel and tourism, innovation, manufacturing, entertainment, okay, education
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and agriculture.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
I think the first day I met you, you said
the film Intetive should have been two to three billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
At least we can go nine point four to seven billion.
I told you two billion dollars. You're gonna see what
I unleashed next week. Two billion dollars. I mean, with
all due respect to your hard work from last November,
applaud you. It's a baby step.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yep, I agree, it's a baby step.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
It's the first step because guess what act like a
fucking country, the country, California act like country, and let's
go on offense, not defense. We don't resist. I've said
this numerous times. It is just so crazy. Yeah, So
our regulations are insane, you know, because I've done all
this due diligence, and now I know no other candidates
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done this, or they're not willing to talk about it
because they're sucked into the system because they pandered. I
don't pander it to anybody. Tell hard truths. Over the
last ten years, this state had bloated with new federal
state employees, not federal state employees, forty five thousand people FTAs.
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That's why I said federal FTAs full time employees, forty
five thousand more people. And we've lost a million people
from forty million to thirty nine million. But our employee
count in the state more regulations which lead to more employees.
You got to go the other way. You have to
be efficient performance and results. I got a question for you, Yes, sir,
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it's the important. I don't know if anyone's ever asked
you this. Let me ask me this question a long
time ago. If you had one day on planet Earth
with somebody that's not alive, not alive, Washington, Socrates, Einstein, anyone,
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who would you choose it to be? And why?
Speaker 3 (44:56):
My grandmother, Oh, grandma at Tea.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Yeah, tell me about her.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Tough woman from the Depression, but loved me how much.
And she loved me so much and really guided me,
helped me my father's mother and which she was a
piece of work. She's very tough. Was she from uh
from New York? But Russian Jew? Yeah, And as much
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as I could get incredible knowledge from the Einstein's of
the World and others. It's like I think I watched
I don't know if you remember that movie that Spielberg
made that people really didn't like, called Ai the Robot Movie.
The last like fifteen minutes of the movie, he got
to bring his mother back from the dead and spend
twenty four hours with his mother. And there was a
little kid, right, and I'm gonna have to check it out.
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Oh man, I cried like a baby.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
I don't want Let's go back to your grandma. Want
to tell me about your grandma.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
Yeah, it was just like you know what did she
She had just unbelievable belief in pushing me to like
accomplish my dreams and do whatever I want. And I
think it trickled down to my dad and my parents
and like no one's something. I mean, I was pre
med right. My dad's a doctor. I decided I was
going to go into the movie business. He said, thank God,
go go with God. Go like there was no resistance.
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And I think it's because of his own experience. And
I attribute that a lot to my grandmother. She was
an amazing woman.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Tell me some of the great things she did.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Oh man, My grandfather who was hilarious, like I wanted
to start a DJ company. Yeah, and he when he
grew up in a depression and he's like, no, you
can't spend all that money. You can't do that. And
she told him to shut the fuck up. And she
didn't say that, Yeah she did, and she told me.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
This is like what in the seventies, eighties, nineties, nineties
she told nineties.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Yeah, she told my grandma her husband to shut the
fuck up. And then she told me to spend a
couple grand by in the equipment, and I did and
I ended up making a fortune. So I guess I
guess UH was good to helping me take risk, smart risks,
calculating risks. I mean, you're not where you're at today
without taking a lot of risks and probably failing a
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lot too, and learning from failures when you well do.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
I think failure is incredible.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
I would say, bring it on.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Yeah. I think so many people are scared to try
because they're scared to fail. And when you stop being
scared of failure.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
You can't be successful unless.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Without without being willing to fail. Right, So tell me, wait, wait,
I'm back at you. What was your biggest failure that
became the greatest lesson.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
My My biggest failure, but greatest lesson was I a
guy on my board. I always made sure my banks.
I never to go shoot with my banks. Never, and
I always, you know, if they said whatever the it was,
I said I'd done. And all of a sudden, I
got this public company and I got this knucklehead on
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my board. He said, we got to negotiate with your banks.
And I said, I don't negotiate with my banks. They're there,
they've been for with me. I've never negotiated with my banks.
Don't make me do this. Well, you have a fiducia
obligation to your stockholders. You got to do this. So
this guy's like, up my shit, and I'm like, dude,
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I give you your stock. It's a real douche anyway.
So I go and negotiate like fifty basis mots that's
like a half a percent. I'm like, I don't want
to do this, So I go and do it. We've
got this letter of credit for half a billion dollars.
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And I was so uneasy because I've never done this,
and I'm a man of my word. I give somebody
my word. I got my handshake guy, and this is
November of eight and things are like shitty. Two weeks
after this, we get this letter of intent and I
go back in two weeks later in New York after
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we're negotiating half a percent. It's the middle of November
and I go up there to this company and they go, hey,
that line of credit that we offered you, it's now zero,
no line of credit. I'm like, motherfucker. I'm like, I
am fucked over because this guy I wanted me to
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negotiate over a half a percent on against everything I knew.
And I should have just bitch slapped that guy. He said,
get the fuck off my board. That's what I should
have said. He turned out to be a bigger problem.
But he had no gut and I'm a I'd never
go against your your man of your word. Just do it, Yeah,
fight it. And that was and that was the big.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
You never made that mistake again, did you fuck so stupid?
Speaker 2 (50:00):
I knew it. I knew it. I will never ever
everyone let anyone get my way of my gut and
my character and my name. I will always live this
great lesson.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
So it's a great lesson.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
I'm telling you, But see, Grandma, it's funny my grandpa.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
You would say, Grandpa, that's my grandpa.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Yeah, and you know that mom's mom or dad's mom,
My dad's dad.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
That's right, dad's dad.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
What was his name, Copel Jake. I named my son
after him. If you die, I talk about him or
my dad will start to cry.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
What was his personality like?
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Well, he was a hard charger, came over from Russia
in the early nineteen hundreds and you know nothing.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
They were both Russians.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Yeah, what's Bill Roust today? Baranovicci And I can tell
you if he and I hung out together. He was
in the produce business in Chicago, watermelons, Grandberry's and Christmas trees,
a jew selling Christmas trees. Number two in the United
States and number one guy was New York. My grandpa,
(51:02):
Jake Jack Clubec was number two. And he's really proud
and he worked hard. I worked hard at four am,
play cards, hard charger and he just took risk. And
my dad was the first person to go to college.
So we always believed in good education. But so my grandparents,
my dad's parents. His his wife's the best Jenny. She
(51:26):
taught me how to cook, So I became a good cook.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
Do you cook?
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (51:30):
Yeah, No, I'm like the fuck you cook?
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (51:34):
I thought you had like ten chefs.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
No, I'm better cooked than anyone else. Shit. I had
hundreds of chefs in my company, and I teach them
how to make the best Caesar dressing in the world.
I test chefs.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
What food do you not like?
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Oh, I'll eat I'll eat liver and onions.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
What don't you like?
Speaker 2 (51:54):
What don't I like? Yeah, that's a good question because
I eat pop Eyes. I had pop Eyes this morning.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
A matter of fact, there's no food you like.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
You like a thing where I don't like?
Speaker 3 (52:05):
What would your last meal be? Oh?
Speaker 2 (52:08):
My let probably a good steak, charred black and blue,
big baked potato, onion rings, Come on, bean potatoes, guy
di coke, I'm happy, take me out. What and then
you know what I want for dessert? What would you
have for dessert?
Speaker 3 (52:25):
Banana cream pie?
Speaker 2 (52:26):
All right? Well, you know what, I'm a lemon merangue pie.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
Oh love it, loved heart. So do you like key lime?
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Key lime is good, but lemon Merang's my favorite? So
you know what? This has been epic today. We did
a lot of great things, and I'm so grateful and
honored you were here this show. You know, it's funny
because we've had people with humor. I have a politics policy,
but you're you're both your entertainment and politics and policy.
You're going to reshape California, working hard.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
But I have more questions for you. I have one last.
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Is it your fucking podcast or mine?
Speaker 3 (52:59):
I ask you this. I don't know if you're fascinating.
I just have to what time ideally do you like
to go to bed at night? And what time ideally
do you like to wake up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
I need very little sleep, and I've got this new
hyperbaric chamber that's making me even younger and younger each day.
So I'll go to bed like I don't know one
get up at five day thirty. By the way, if
you want to stay up on a staff contest, I've
stayed up two and a half days. That was the
longest I kicked everyone. I've done it. I will do
(53:29):
whatever it takes to get the job done. Roll up
my sleeves and get it done. I love what I do.
I love what I do. It's so much fun. I've
never worked a day in my life and you seem
to be that way too. You have fun.
Speaker 3 (53:41):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
I watch your institute. You're all over the world.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
Yeah, I don't. I don't feel in twenty years I've
ever gone to work. And I work more than my
man working.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
We love what we do. I love it, and you know,
I want to make people's lives better.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
That part my work is helping people.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
We agree to that, and you know what, let's try
to work on this MHM United States California Unification on
Entertainment that part.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
Yeah, I'm all in with you.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
I love it. Thanks for being here.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
Yes, I appreciate your brother California, California, get it.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
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