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February 11, 2025 44 mins

Jon Stewart tackles Trump's attempt to be the Super Bowl MVP and examines the president's rejection of federal agencies, birthright citizenship, and basic constitutional checks and balances. Plus, John Oliver welcomes America to its monarchy era.

New Yorker editor David Remnick sits down to discuss the magazine’s 100th Anniversary Issue and journey since its inception in 1925. They also talk about the importance of long-form journalism, especially under the overwhelming second Trump administration, as well as how the President is overstepping executive power, the danger of the tech oligarchy, and the need for Democratic politicians and citizens alike to finish licking their wounds and take action.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Show starts Uncle Copy.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Welcome to the Daily Show.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
My name is John.

Speaker 5 (00:40):
Sewart, and man, we worked almost all day on tonight's show.
We've got a great record to David Remnick will be
joining me later. He is the editor of the New
Yorker magazine. They're celebrating.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
What in an area dyte crowd.

Speaker 5 (01:02):
Celebrating their one hundred year of the New Yorker, and
he and I will be just testing the difference between
umlauts and diarysius emphasis on the I'll just go now,
let's just but first. The Super Bowl was last night,
and man, it was on television. It began with the

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teams being introduced from Heaven.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
And it's just weird. And it ended with the Kansas
City changed. And how so, congratulations to the people of
Philadelphia who immediately.

Speaker 5 (01:49):
Who immediately I disagree by the way, who immediately celebrated
their victory by attacking the road, said I kill their
own city, Die Philadelphia. They were smashing their own city,
doing tens of dollars worth of demon.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, that's right, I'm implying it's a shit hole.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
Give sat Quad back.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
But of course my favorite moment was the inexplicable post
victory horse race for the winner stands triumphant atop the
steps of the Philadelphia Art Museum. That's that's not that's
a photoshop. That's the horse ran up the steps of

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the Philadelphia Art Museum, reared up on its hind legs
and went its weird.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
But here's here's and I'm going to drop some knowledge.

Speaker 5 (03:04):
And no one really cared about the game because of
the earth shattering announcement that had been made moments prior.

Speaker 6 (03:11):
You know, we're flying over right now, we're flying over
a thing called the Gulf of America, and I'm signing
a proclamation. And perhaps you could define that.

Speaker 5 (03:27):
First of all, why do you fly around in a
Hyatt Hotel room? Second of all, define proclamation? You don't
know what a proclaim?

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Or do you just want her to say what the
actual propett I'm sorry, I interrupted. Go ahead.

Speaker 7 (03:42):
This is a.

Speaker 8 (03:43):
Proclamation declaring today, February ninth, twenty twenty five is the
first ever Bolf of America Day.

Speaker 6 (03:50):
And we're flying right over it right now, so we
thought this would be appropriate, even bigger than the super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
It's true, bigger than the super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (04:04):
In fact, my favorite thing about Gulf of America Day
are the commercials.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
It's very historic.

Speaker 5 (04:11):
I'm sure we'll look back on this day fondly when
America is swallowed up by the rising waters of the
Gulf of America.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
You know, it turns out it's kind of a weird thing.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
Airplanes might not be the best place to make bigger
than the super Bowl announcements.

Speaker 6 (04:26):
Even bigger than the Super Bowl. This is a big thing,
and almost everybody now has assented to that.

Speaker 9 (04:35):
On board, Ladies and gentleman, if you can please direct
your tention out the wayside of the aircraft. Air Force
one is currently in international waters the first time in history,
flying over the recently renamed of America.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
First of all, oh my god, it shut him up.
Even for Justice Acond, I think airplane pilots must be
the most powerful force in the universe.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
I feel like the Democrats have to get themselves an
airplane pilot. Sorry for the interruption, but you can't do that.
Maybe they'll let's Shumer. Schumer will be the pilot. Uh,

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but forgive me, I see been forgotten. What does calling
a Gulf of America do?

Speaker 10 (05:34):
Do?

Speaker 1 (05:34):
We get all its fish?

Speaker 11 (05:35):
Now make America great again?

Speaker 6 (05:38):
Right, that's what we care about.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
Making America great again.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
Everything Trump does all part of making America great again.
Order one, roll back everything from the previous not great administration,
regulations on the environment, regulations on the Second Amendment, the
Title nine guidance, and not just the big shit. You
want to make America great again, you can't skimp on
the details.

Speaker 7 (06:04):
President Trump says he's going to reverse Joe Biden's mandate
to phase out plastic straw saying, enjoy your next drink
without a straw that disgustingly dissolves in your mouth.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
You okay, He's right on this one.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
He is right on this one.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Those straws are fing terrible.

Speaker 5 (06:30):
Objectively, I'm supposed to have some weird tissue paper dissolve
in my mouth just because turtles can't figure out straws
aren't food.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
Now donate to tubes, stupid turtles.

Speaker 5 (06:46):
So Trump is making America great again by taking us
back to twenty sixteen. But obviously, if we're gonna make
America great again, we can't stop in twenty sixteen.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
We gotta keep pushing to that place when America was
truly great. How much further back do we need to go? See,
so it looks like it's the seventies. Oh, like you

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don't know who Burt Reynolds is.

Speaker 5 (07:27):
If you're gonna make us great, you're gonna have to
roll further back than the seventies.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
What do you got.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
We're going to stop the destructive and devisive diversity, equity
and inclusion.

Speaker 5 (07:40):
Yeah, the seventies won't fly. Seventies was all about women's
lib and stone Wall. Now, my friends, we got to
go back further to make America great. And ladies, when
we do go back, don't worry. It's all gonna work
out for you.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
You will no longer be thinking about abortion.

Speaker 6 (07:57):
Women will be happy, healthy, confident, and free like everything else.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
That's a little bit different.

Speaker 6 (08:04):
Today, you're not allowed to say that, because if you
call a woman or a girl beautiful, that's the end
of your career.

Speaker 12 (08:10):
No, you can't even say, hey, sugar tits. The ladies
and gentlemen, we're gonna go.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
Back to the old days with regular tits, not the
ones that disgustingly dissolve in your mouth.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Also, Jesus.

Speaker 5 (08:59):
But let's not stop in the seventies, their folks, not
even in the fact, Let's keep going, because that sounds
like the fifties, and the fifties are still too inclusive.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
I mean, by then Italians and Irish were considered white. No,
that's too far.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Keep going back.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
America's greatness, awaits. We were the richest country in the world.

Speaker 13 (09:18):
We were at our riches from eighteen seventy to nineteen thirteen.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
That's when we had we were a tariff country eighteen seventies.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
Okay, there we go, eighteen seventies.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Doo.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
And of course, well America presently is still pretty freaking rich.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Apologies Luxembourg. Point taken.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
Who wouldn't trade our current environment for America's eighteen seventies
tariff driven but candled tuberculosis laden pre industrial.

Speaker 13 (10:01):
We were so wealthy we had commissions set up what
to do with all the money that we would taking.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
In quick point of order.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
Though to the extent that we were at our richest
from eighteen seventy to nineteen thirteen, it wasn't so much.
We as like four guys, and we called them robber
barons as a sign of affection. Meanwhile, the rest of America,
the leading cause of death was falling into a vat

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at work. And it got to the point where even
the robber barons realized that the only way this glorious
era in American history was going to end was.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
Either full scale in revolution.

Speaker 5 (10:44):
Or reasonable compromise, which is how we ended up with
stuff like income tax and labor laws and workplace safety guarantees.
So let's really tread carefully in the greatness way back machine.

Speaker 14 (10:56):
Arizona House Republican Andy Biggs introduced a bill this week
would abolish OSHA, a Department of Labor agency tasked with
overseen workplace safety to the.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Vats and fill mine with boiling tallow. Boy, what what?

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Why not just bring back child labor while you're at it.

Speaker 10 (11:20):
When you talk about school lunches, Hey, I work my
way through high school. I know about you, but I
worked since I was before I was even thirteen years old,
I was picking berries in the field before a child
labor laws that precluded that.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
You were picking berries in a field before you bummits fun.
I mean, by the way, how old are you if
you were picking berries before there were child labor laws?

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Because you look great.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
Is the key to good skin, working the fields as
a child. Now, I hate to bring this up, but
if we are going back to the eighteen seventies and before,
does that include every diversity initiative.

Speaker 13 (12:07):
Breathright citizenship was if you look back when this was
passed and made, that was meant for the children of slaves.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
This was not meant for the whole world to come in.

Speaker 13 (12:18):
Everybody coming in and totally unqualified people with perhaps unqualified children,
don't bring us.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
You're tired and poor, huddled masses.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
Do you have any mathletes, any doogies, houser, We will
take all of your sheldons, young and old. For those
of you at home who might fear that the president's
desire to take us back to our nation's historic greatness
may tread into unconstitutional action, fear not, because of the
brilliant design of our nation allows for the co equal

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branch of the judiciary to stand as a bulwark against tyranny,
as judged in the landmark decision of eighteen oh three
Marbury versus Madison, which, as you know, is when James
Madison lost the historic Supreme Court case to Stefan Marbury.

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Marbury ran him out of the building and established our
foundational separation of powers.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Vice President J. D.

Speaker 8 (13:31):
Vans he had some interesting words about the separation of
power and government.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
He's four it.

Speaker 8 (13:39):
If a judge tried to tell a general how to
conduct a military operation, that would be illegal.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
If a judge tried.

Speaker 8 (13:45):
To command the attorney general on how to use her
discretion as a prosecutor, that's also illegal. Judges aren't allowed
to control the executive's legitimate power.

Speaker 5 (13:58):
Of course, they're allowed to kate the boundaries of that power.
That's the whole point of the judiciary to interpret whether
those powers are legitimate.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
You would the lads over the the alternative.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Acting.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
The only alternative is that the executive determines for himself
what is constitutional, at which point there would be no
guardrails against.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Hate.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
Congress, hey, buddy, you got a little separation of powers problem.
I was wondering any chance he might be reasserting your
authority opposition pardon Democrats? Are you ready to do some oppositioning?

Speaker 15 (14:49):
There are some things we can do, but the Republicans
are in the majority in the Senate and the House.
We're gonna need some Republicans, frankly, who are willing to lose.
Who are willing to be a Liz Cheney and say
I will lose my seat to do the right thing
by this country, not the right thing by Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
I haven't seen it yet.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Let's hope.

Speaker 8 (15:12):
Democratic Congressman Dan Goldman.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Of New York that's the sales pitch.

Speaker 5 (15:30):
We just need someone on their side willing to lose
everything to progress, like a Russian dog being shot into space.
You can see the Democrats backbone on our new show
American Backslides, starring Dan.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Goldman as hope poll loser.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
But fine, we have to rely on Republicans in Congress
to be a check on Trump.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
How's that going.

Speaker 8 (16:02):
Republican Senator Tom Tillis says that while he believes Trump's
actions run a foul of the Constitution in the strictest sense,
he believes nobody should belly ache about that.

Speaker 14 (16:11):
You're comfortable if he shuts those down without getting congressions.

Speaker 16 (16:14):
Congress will be involved at some point.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
But I'm I think the country is comfortable.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
They're using that authority right now in a way it
hasn't been used in a long time.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
So it looks radical, it's not.

Speaker 14 (16:25):
Well technically, yeah, I'm not losing a whole lot of sleep.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
Well, it's been a good run, America.

Speaker 5 (16:50):
It's looked like we're becoming less like the constitutional republican's
been for two hundred and fifty years and more like
the monarchy that we all thought to escape from.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
But I think the important thing, all right, I whoa here?

Speaker 7 (17:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Fun?

Speaker 4 (17:32):
John VI?

Speaker 2 (17:34):
The uh the tragical sun appears to have returned?

Speaker 9 (17:40):
Is that?

Speaker 4 (17:41):
Wait?

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Is that? Hold on?

Speaker 4 (17:43):
Do my eyes deceive me? Is that is that? Young
John Oliver? You here to offer America your wisdom and council?

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, John, I'm here to gloat.

Speaker 17 (17:54):
Macca had its little fun, didn't you, experimenting with democracy?
You thought so hard to get away from us, acting.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Up, throwing all that tea into the harbor. You still
owe us.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
For that, by the way, I mean how much it
was just tea? John?

Speaker 2 (18:11):
It was, it was just tea.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
You take that back, You take that back.

Speaker 15 (18:17):
I know.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
The point it's a sensitive beverage.

Speaker 17 (18:21):
The point is you told everybody that you were going
to be different, you were going to turn out like
you mean, old Dad, who was so horrible to you
when you were growing up. So we sat back, We
let you spend your wild teen years experimenting with your
ridiculous ideas of checks and balances, because deep down we

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knew that once you got that nonsense out of your system,
you'd be backed. In fact, if I may sing from Hamilton.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
I'd really I'd appreciate.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Now that's fair. What I'm saying is, let me be
the first to welcome America to its monarchy era.

Speaker 17 (19:02):
Congratulations everyone, you can now take your place in the
pantheon of great empires, alongside the British, the Roman, the
Klingon Wakanga whatever one Babar the Elephants was the ruler
of If against.

Speaker 5 (19:14):
Hold on a second, mister Oliver, Yes, if I may,
Ambassador Oliver, go ahead for a moment, please America. Yes,
we are having a bit of trouble with democratic governess,
but I don't think we want to abandon our republic
and go full empire.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
But why not?

Speaker 17 (19:30):
You really prefer the system that you have right now?
Only fifty one votes for a bill to pass? Is
the vice president in town to break a tie?

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Or wait?

Speaker 17 (19:40):
Is this one of the bills that needs sixty votes
for no clear reason? Well, I'm sorry, little to me,
No health care for you.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
All right, it does not sound great when you put
it like that.

Speaker 17 (19:50):
Oh you mean when I put it entirely accurately, John,
didn't sound great. What I'm saying is, don't fight being
a monarchy, John, embrace it. Kings get shit done now,
is it stuff that you once done? Not necessarily, but
they do move quick. They taste coom in at lunch
and they've taken over an entire continent by dinner time.
That is how the British rolls, John, everyone else they're.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Not like us.

Speaker 17 (20:13):
In fact, if I may say, alive from mister Kendrick Lamar.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
No no, no, no, no, no no no, I really
I really don't think you should do that.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
I appreciate you for stopping me on that one out
to day.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
Yeah, not to be short sighted, but spoiler alert, John,
things didn't end up so great for the British Empire.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
First of all, how dare you?

Speaker 17 (20:39):
We are technically between empires at the moment, but we're
keeping our castles warm and our crowns bedeweled for.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
The day that we get back onto our feet.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Look, no offense, but.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
I'm not sure the imperial model is for us?

Speaker 17 (20:53):
Oh really, the imperial model isn't for you, John, Have
you seen anything America's die over the last fifty years,
Because for a country that doesn't want to be an empire,
you're doing a pretty fucking good impression of one right now. Invasions,
economic exploitations are now suggesting turning Gaza into.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
A beachfront casino.

Speaker 17 (21:15):
Even King George would have been like, well, I don't know, guys,
feels like the situation is a bit more complicated than that.
And I'm literally dying of medieval brain disease.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
He was, he was doing that, he was, he was dying.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
He's dying of brain disease. It drove me crazy, but
he could see that it was an unreasonable request.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
We really, we really have become our father.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah yeah, and you know what, don't be sad about it.
We couldn't be more proud.

Speaker 17 (21:50):
This shouldn't be a sad time. The arc of history
is so long it eventually becomes a circle and you
end up right where you started. You might even call
it the circle of life. In fact, if one may scene,
he greats Imperial subject, Sir Elton Jones opening Zulu chunks
from the Life King. Please stop me, Joe, Please please

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stop me.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
To do that.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
I don't want to do you. Please tell me, Please
tell me.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
I don't want to go out, stell me.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
Jones, John Oliver, everybody.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Do you know what?

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Come there?

Speaker 4 (22:22):
Fay Hbo. When we come back, David Remnick.

Speaker 17 (22:25):
Will be joining.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
I don't know what what?

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Oh about my guest.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
Tonight, A tout surprize winning journalist, author, and longtime editor
of The New Yorker, which is celebrating one hundred years
with a special anniversary issue out today.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Please welcome David Remnick, Sarah, thank you.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
The being here.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Very exciting. One hundred years of the New Yorker. And
there's a special treat ladies and gentlemen. I don't you
can see this. It is their swimsuit edition.

Speaker 15 (23:22):
It is.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
This is this the original cover from.

Speaker 11 (23:28):
From nineteen twenty.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Five, and this is the first cover that was on
the New Yorker.

Speaker 11 (23:32):
That's right. Ray Irvin was the artist and they put
it out and it went on the newsstands. Harold Ross
was the editor. Raoul Fleischman, a yeast fortune behind the
magazine and it sold nothing.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
It sold nothing. Didn't do with all that yeast money
behind it, didn't your eyes. So you should enter that
as a caption contest.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
John Oliver warmed it up. Yeah, we warmed it up
pretty get out there.

Speaker 11 (24:04):
And this is they almost seized the whole thing down
after three months. They almost gave up on the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
What was it that turned it? Why in three months
did something happen? This meant to be just a.

Speaker 11 (24:16):
Purely comic jazz age nineteen twenties, pre depression thing, and
they were going to close it down after three months,
And then they had a good piece about the Scopes
monkey trial.

Speaker 5 (24:30):
Sure did what I watched it on Court TV. It's fantastic, Paltrow.

Speaker 11 (24:35):
And then I swear to god, what took off on
the newsstand was a piece you're not going to believe
this about cabarets and nightclubs and things like this, and
people were fascinated and it flew off the news stand
a nice thing.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
You know, we were a big success freely at that time.
Were the illustrations the majority of it? Or were the
articles of the majority of Oh it was.

Speaker 11 (24:58):
It was purely little bits and pieces. And the first
profile that ever ran, and we're famous for longer pieces,
you know, the first piece that ever ran as a
profile was a one page profile the head of the Metropolitan.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
Opera one page, and you know, the writer is like
five hundred words, I'll never make it.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
And it was awful.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
It was dreadful, really.

Speaker 5 (25:21):
And now one hundred years later, then, when you're carrying
the mantle of something that has been here for so long, though,
it does present an extra burden and challenge.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
You don't want to be the guide.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
You don't want to be the last guy out out
the building.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
And it's changeable. So in this more challenging challenge media
environment to do long form this. You buy this and
you I don't remember what that's called, but you look
at it and.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Read and read more.

Speaker 11 (25:53):
What Yeah, there aren't little dots and one sentence summaries
of world events is son of a bitch. No, it's
it is in defiance of every trend that we think
is happening. But I look, I think that people actually
want to know. They want to know what's going on
in the world. They want to know what's going on
in Washington. They want to know what's going on with
other people's lives and have some empathy for it. They

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want to laugh. And that's what we're trying to do.
It's a pretty inclusive formula, I will say for me,
because the circadian rhythm of the news has become the
circadian rhythm of Twitter.

Speaker 5 (26:30):
I almost think it's leading that sort of incentivized outrage
and hate and things that I find great solace in
long form journalism.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
It really is a comfort food.

Speaker 5 (26:46):
But also there's not a lot of people out there
who are taking the time to contextualize things.

Speaker 11 (26:54):
Well, I think there are more people than you think.
I mean a million, two million, three people subscribe to
the magazine. I hope it'll be more, especially after this night.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
I think a.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
Pandering.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
They're mostly sports fans.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
They're not interested.

Speaker 11 (27:15):
My first job sports writer for the Washington Post.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Really yeah, I didn't even know they had athletic teams.

Speaker 11 (27:22):
They had that what's now called the Commodorees.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Oh very nice.

Speaker 11 (27:24):
I was the singing group.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
It's exciting.

Speaker 11 (27:26):
I think people want to find out more than just
ridiculous tweets, and they want to know what's going on,
and they want fairness and fact checking and a sense
of decency. And they also want some media outlets that
aren't knuckling under.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Not intimidated by the moments. And then and.

Speaker 11 (27:51):
That's our promise to you, and you know, I think
that we're looking for another hundred years, but I'd like
to get past the next four.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Frankly, is this have you You've been in this a
long time? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (28:03):
Is this a media moment that is reminiscent to you
of any other analogous.

Speaker 11 (28:09):
It's not even reminiscent of the first Trump.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Term, right, totally.

Speaker 11 (28:15):
In a weird way, more competent. I know that sounds
very strange, but they seem to have come to the
game very determined to do a ton of things fast
and overwhelm you and overwhelm me and everybody here.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
And they have a project. I don't know what year
it was named for, damn.

Speaker 11 (28:34):
It, but there's a shrewdness to it. And part of
the shrewdness is contingent on the weakness of the Democrats
and the confusion of the Democrats at the moment, and
the sport of the election. Quite frankly, there are a
lot of people behind them, and our job is to
get it right and to get it fair, and to
get it factual, and to not just be yelling and

(28:55):
screaming and wagging our fingers with polemics, but to really
disc these things with some sense of seriousness, and I
think people want that.

Speaker 5 (29:04):
Is there a break glass moment for you in this
You know, we talked about it earlier with the audience
about not overreacting to each individual outrage and moment. And
is that frustrating? Do we keep ourselves on defcon? And
I don't know which one is the worst?

Speaker 11 (29:20):
Nine in ten?

Speaker 15 (29:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (29:21):
I notice sometimes when I go out to dinner with
this person and that person, who meet friends whatever. There's
every once in a while, in fact quite a lot,
somebody will say to me, you know what, I've signed off.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
On the news.

Speaker 11 (29:32):
I'm not watching it. I can take it. I have to,
you know, protect myself too much.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
I understand that instinct.

Speaker 11 (29:39):
I understand it. But while you're doing that, Trump keeps going,
politics keeps going, the world keeps happening, and you may
choose to protect yourself, but then you're part of the problem.
I'm afraid.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
No, we were talking again.

Speaker 5 (29:54):
Too much action is the antidote for that anxiety. The
question is what have you learned from deterring this kind
of executive action, Because the real moment to me will
be that sort of Marbury versus happening Madison moment. Where
you know they'll say, well, well enforce it. Well who
enforces it? I guess the US marshals. And if the
US Marshals work for the DJ and the DJ is

(30:14):
run by somebody who tells them, no, don't enforce it.

Speaker 11 (30:17):
Right now, Right now, the president is overstepping executive power,
not once, not twice, but in multiple ways. And courts
are going to have to stand up to do what
courts need to do. The press needs to describe it
and in all its fullness and accuracy. Citizens need to

(30:38):
do what citizens are capable of doing, and it requires
everybody and the Democratic Party and that Congressman Goldman did
not exactly present the face of a warrior.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
My favorite moment that I've seen where we go like,
what are the Democrats going to do? And he's like,
I I hope.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
Hopefully one of the Republicans will be like, this is crazy.
We shouldn't I want to lose.

Speaker 11 (31:10):
Chapter twelve in Profiles and Currents.

Speaker 5 (31:12):
Right, do you as you and you've you've spent time
talking to people that are obviously very informed within Democratic Party?

Speaker 1 (31:21):
It's their beat.

Speaker 5 (31:23):
Do they sense there is anything I look at this
as this is a fifty year project that the Republicans
have run to reset the country to. It's not just
pre great society, not just pre a new deal. But
as even Trump is saying, like Robert Baron Ethos.

Speaker 11 (31:41):
But that's a political battle. Some of that is a
political battle that's natural, over executive over federal spending, for example,
over culture wars. It's not a mystery that we have such.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
That's right, it's not constitutional.

Speaker 11 (31:55):
No, this is about breaking the norms of the constitution
and the law. And what do you go to do
about it? That's different.

Speaker 5 (32:02):
So what are if you were going to say, you know,
the people, There's going to be protests, There's going to
be those things. But at this moment it is broadly popular.
The agenda that has been enacted is if we had
a revote today, he would probably do better than how he.

Speaker 11 (32:20):
Did all I think CBS said fifty two fifty.

Speaker 5 (32:23):
Three percent, which for him is a lands for me
that for any president really in this day and age,
to have that kind of popularity is really unusual.

Speaker 11 (32:33):
So I think we're headed toward a big crisis. I
really do, and I think we're in the midst of it.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
I really do.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
Okay, well, thanks for being here.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
It's incredible to me how there really is a rudderlessness
amongst the opposition party.

Speaker 11 (32:53):
Well, the opposition party is the Democratic Party that's licking
its wounds. It's beating itself up for what happened, and
rightly so. In terms of the Biden decision to run
a second time, or the decision to kind of have
a willing suspension of disbelief on where Biden was in

(33:13):
terms of popularity or his age, well there is there's
a kind of a sense of injury, embarrassment and withdrawal.
But enough, already, enough, already, sack up.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
Yeah, you hear that. I'm gonna say this right now.

Speaker 5 (33:29):
The editor of one of the most esteemed magazines in
American history just told the Democrats sack up.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
Shocking. You heard it from an else, shocking.

Speaker 11 (33:44):
Look, but you did what you described, which is that
you have a historical trend and then there's a reaction
to it. And this has happened in any number of times.
I fully expect and hope that that will happen again
in some form or another. Again, it is not the
job the press. And this may disappoint some of you
to be at the head of the barricades shaking the

(34:05):
fists and leading the charge. It is to describe so
that you're you're fully in possession of the facts and
points of viewer expressed, and you know, then you do
with it what you will. In a democracy, that is
a really important function.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
Do you really think the Democrats problem is a messaging problem.
I think it's I don't know what they stand for.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
I don't know. Was this three weeks old? What is
it three four week's old? This is not people did
not believe.

Speaker 11 (34:31):
I think people did not fully take on board that
what Donald Trump was saying that he was going to
do in all those speeches that we either laughed about
or disbelieved or you know, kind of let fly by,
or or foolish enough to believe that he would lose.
They did not quite take on board the full reality,

(34:54):
the fullness of what he was going to do, how
fast it was going to come, and with what sense
of a diabolical organization, Because you have to say this,
it is just coming so fast at people in terms
of the press, in terms of public opinion, in terms
of Democratic party, that people on there are on their.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Heels, right, And I.

Speaker 11 (35:17):
Hope that doesn't last for because there's no time. If
you keep seating that to Trump, a lot of damage
is going to be done very very quickly.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
I almost wonder you almost want to say to them,
you have to exist outside of him.

Speaker 5 (35:35):
It's as though they define themselves almost entirely by reactions
to his movements, you know.

Speaker 11 (35:43):
But the problem is is that he's president, and he's
maximizing executive powers quickly and as fully as he possibly can.
And unless you have a coherent reaction to that, whether
it's in Congress with a press or the greater world
or on the street, you're going to lose a lot. Ultimately,
he might get pushed back. Ultimately in two years, there

(36:04):
might be a midterm election that weakens him. Ultimately, he
may overplay his hand in this court case or that
court case and he loses. But a lot of damage
is going to be done to a lot of human beings.
And also, the one thing that we have mentioned is
the quality of cruelty to all this, not just illegallous
like that's the point of it, yeah, I mean just

(36:26):
just the cruelty about the description of trans people and
our fellow brothers and sisters who are immigrants or have
birthright citizenship.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
There is a.

Speaker 11 (36:41):
Tone of insult and the desire to damage.

Speaker 5 (36:45):
If you were to come to me and say, I
want to make government more efficient, I want to make
it more effective. There's a lot of things here in
the way that we do it and it doesn't work.
I'd be highly on board with that. It's something that
I can.

Speaker 11 (36:58):
Fully believe it and any government age and see, whether
it's USAID or whatever it might be. Yes, But the
notion of putting somebody in charge of the health, the
public health of this country who's a conspiracy theorist and
a liar.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
But see, they're strange.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
They don't view it in that way though, So I
think that's part of the disconnect is they're not viewing
it through that lens. What they're viewing it as a
fighter who's done their own research and awoken to the
corruption of the government. And my point is if the
government is the only power strong enough to stand up
to international corporatist interest, there is no other anything that

(37:43):
And if you think rapacious greed is going to make
your health care better, and if you think rapacious greed
is going to make pharmaceutical companies come to heal or
oil companies come to heal.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
I don't know what you're looking at.

Speaker 5 (37:57):
Without government effectively managing those instincts, what are we handing
this all over to?

Speaker 11 (38:04):
This is what's new between the first Trump term and
the second term. I lived for four years in the
Soviet Union and the last years of the Soviet Union,
and then kept coming back. Now I can't go anymore
for obvious reasons.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
But what if what did you do in the Soviet Union?
So it's running a little. I can't reas did you
kill a dude?

Speaker 4 (38:31):
Just a few But you don't need to.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Know about that.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
What I was a reporter. Oh, you were reported to
live over four years. I was a reporter for a.

Speaker 11 (38:39):
While on a bus and you you know this was
I was coming to a place that, for seventy odd
years had lived lives not only of censorship, but of
self censorship and a kind of relationship to the government
where you were not a citizen, you were a subject.
And I had the thrilling experience, and says a witness,

(39:00):
to see this seemingly come to an end, to liberalize,
to have the promise of democracy, to see miraculously Michel
Gorbachev had come along and open the door. History can
move in that direction, and it will inc.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Heard that.

Speaker 11 (39:20):
It's a long but aggravating Yes. Yeah, but now it's
you know, when in the other direction, and the oligarchs
took over this country in concert with with Vladimir Putin
and before him Yelson. And to see at an inauguration
a few weeks ago of the tech titans of this

(39:41):
world sitting in the best seats in the house, right
behind the President of the United States, was the most
ominous thing. It was even more honest than the speech itself,
because those guys are seemingly willing to say and do
anything to protect their gigantic business. And that is a

(40:02):
further recipe for disaster. We've seen it before in this country,
but we've never seen it energized by and supercharged by
social media and and the tools that they have at hand.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
I don't know why I'm bumming you out.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
No, I remain optimistic because the history of this country
is such resilience through peaks and valleys that we were.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Sure were fatal blows.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
It's different than these other you know, we are for
the adolescence of America, being two hundred and fifty years old,
we are a more mature democracy than I think a
lot of those countries. We have a history and a
pattern of civic engagement at local and state levels that
I think will prove even if the body politic at

(40:55):
that level begins to erode.

Speaker 11 (40:58):
But people have top we have our job.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
We don't have our job.

Speaker 11 (41:04):
I think everybody here can't sit back either.

Speaker 5 (41:07):
I think we need a game plan. Honestly, I don't
think it's that people aren't awake. I think they feel
rudderless and thirsty for inspiring leadership that feels principled and
has a plan.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
Of action that can turn this into something.

Speaker 5 (41:25):
I don't think the American people want this corrosive day
to day. I truly don't believe that. That doesn't mean
they don't want a secure border. It doesn't mean they
don't want law and order in their cities. It doesn't
mean that they don't want some other common sense things
that have been done. They don't want the other part.

Speaker 11 (41:41):
I agree with you, and I for once.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
So by agreeing with me, I have now officially been
published in the New Yorker.

Speaker 11 (41:50):
You got it, by the way, not for the first time.
You've been published in the New York and we're still
waiting for pieces for you. What do you got a job?

Speaker 4 (41:57):
I was in The New Yorker.

Speaker 11 (41:59):
Yeah, you row pieces for shouts and murmurs?

Speaker 15 (42:02):
Did I really?

Speaker 17 (42:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (42:04):
I can't imagine how happy my mother was, as always,
a bliged to The New Yorker under an of our
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Speaker 5 (42:34):
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Speaker 1 (42:43):
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Speaker 4 (42:44):
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Speaker 16 (42:45):
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