August 6, 2024 • 30 mins
Michael Kosta covers all things Olympics, including an American runner who won by a hair, a pole vaulter with interfering genitalia, and an Algerian boxer whose womanhood is challenged. As the election grows closer, RFK Jr.’s bear carcass dump has him securing his place as the weirdest candidate, and Desi Lydic reveals other confessions we can expect from him. Then bestselling author, publisher, and professor Roxane Gay discusses her new e-book, “Stand Your Ground: A Black Feminist Reckoning with America’s Gun Problem.” She talks about her decision to buy a gun, why many other Black women and people of color choose gun ownership as a way of taking their defense into their own hands, and how the Second Amendment tends to go unrecognized when exercised by people who are not heterosexual cis white men. Gay also explains why she is excited about Kamala Harris’s new presidential bid.
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This is The Daily Show with your host Michael Tuft.
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WHOA Yes, Welcome to the Brow Show. I'm Michael Toska.
We have so much to talk about tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
The Olympics has big dick energy, conservatives are finally interested
in women's sports, and RFK Junior just lost his endorsement
from Smokey Bear.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Let's get into the headlines.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Let's get things off with the Olympics, a gathering of
the world's greatest as fleets and also some people who
own horses. Now, I've been super interested in these Olympics,
mostly because I bet my daughter's college tuition on mixed
doubles badminton. But it's fine, She's not really an academic kid,
to be honest with you. So so far it's been incredible. Now,
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not the badminton, that's a stupid sport, but the real sports,
like the men's one hundred meters finals were on Sunday,
where American Noah Lyles got the gold medal by five
thousands of a second. Yeah, do you realize how little
time that is that's five thousands of a second. I
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just said it. Pay attention. This was the closest finish
in over forty years. And I don't want to take
anything away from Noah Lyles, but isn't this a tie?
I mean, what do we even have ties for if
we're not going to pull it out for stuff like this.
I mean, in fact, if you were watching this with
just your eyes, all these guys finished at the same time.
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If these guys were trains, no one would say my
train was late. Right. Another Olympic moment getting a lot
of attention is the pole vaulter who knocked the bar over.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
With his large penis.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Now, if you haven't heard about this story, do not
google penis Olympics will That'll take you to the wrong website.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
What can I say? I like to do my own research, But.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
You also don't really need to google it, because that's
the whole story.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
A pole vaulter lost when his giant schlong.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Got hot on the crossbar, and according to the rules
of pole vaulting, you're allowed to touch the crossbar, but
you're not allowed to fuck it.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
So he lost.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
But this has gotta be the best possible way to
lose you know, yeah, I would have won if it
weren't for this damn massive had In fact, this is
the only event where the guy who won probably felt bad, like, hey,
you know, my dick is good too. I will say
next Olympics, this guy should compete in the one hundred meters.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
He'd win from ten feet back.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Oh look, oh, everyone loves a good whole vaulting dick joke.
But look to this athlete. And I know this is tough,
but I'll say to you what I say to the
little league team I coach. It's not whether you win
or lose, it's how gigantic everyone knows your penis is.
But the biggest story so far is about Algerian boxer
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Iman Khalif, who's been doing a great job in the
women's boxing tournament.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Some people would say too good.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Some critics questioning whether he Leif should have been allowed
to compete in that ring at all, and claiming that
Klif is a man or transgender, something IOC officials have
emphatically denied.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Algerian boxer was born female, was registered female, lived her
life as a female, boxed as a female, has a
female possible. This is not a transgender case.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Seems pretty open and shut to me.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Right, she was born a woman, lives as a woman,
and boxes other women.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
So what is the argument against that? This is such
an outrage? Look at this. This is a man.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
This is a man who is competing in the boxing
tournament for women.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
No, she's not. She's a woman.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
She's a woman like you, Megan Kelly, a woman at
the peak of her career.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Unlike Megan Kelly.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
But she she still is a woman.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
You easily could just say, listen, you could only fight
and compete in the gender.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
In which you were born. Those are just the rules,
end of story. Forget a ending.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Okay, but those rules would still let her box with women,
because again, she's a woman. She's fought as a woman
her whole life. She's even lost to other female boxers
nine times.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
What more do you want?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Does Fox News need the ghost of Roger Ales to
sexually harass her?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
First, she's a woman.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
Okay, looks like a duck, wax like a duck, walks
like a duck, and punches like a duck.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
I think it's a duck, all right.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Well, look, so she's not a duck. Okay, she's a woman.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
You're not making me question whether I know what a
woman is. You're making me question whether you know what a.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Duck is.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Because again, this female boxer is female. Can we stop
this before America turns into a presidential campaign issue?
Speaker 7 (05:36):
The far left wants to allow biological males to beat
the living crap out of woman in boxing?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Is that really what this race is going to be about?
Jd Vance is going to be on the campaign trail.
Like you know, when I was growing up in the haller,
the one thing we cared about was international women's boxing regulations.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
By the way, if.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Conservatives are so concerned with women's safety, maybe can consider
caring about it outside of sports. There are women, There
are women in America who are like, help me, I'm
having an ectopic pregnancy, and conservatives they're like, shut up,
we're trying to protect women over here.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Look, guys, I'm.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Sorry, this elite athlete does not look the way you
think a woman should look. But a woman is allowed
to be dominating and powerful at a sport without you
questioning her gender because don't forget these guys. Don't forget
these guys dragged her, an Algerian female boxer, into their
American conservative culture work and if they're gonna use her
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as a metaphorical punching bag, the least they can do
is step into the ring and.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Let her use them as a literal punching back. I
bet they weren't even laugh aloud.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
All right, let's move on to the presidential race. Kamala
Harris is set to announce her running mate at any moment,
and to balance out the ticket, it'll most likely be
a white guy like Josh Shapiro, Tim Walls or the
pole vaulter dude with the penis. But let's put that
beast to use breaking the glass sailing. If you guys
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love a pull vault vic Joe huh yeah. Meanwhile, Donald
Trump has backed out of the September debate he had
previously agreed on and is now saying, well, only debate
Kamala if it's in a pact arena moderated.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
By Fox News.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Also, at any point in the debate, he gets to
call the cops on her for loitering. Also, it's not
a debate, it's golf. But look, I'm actually sympathetic to Trump.
Don't forget he agreed to this debate against Joe Biden.
If I agreed to wrestle an old man and then
at the last second he taps in a younger opponent
whose knees actually work.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I might also object, but look.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Wrangling over a debate choosing a VP candidate.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
These are our normal campaign stories.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
And since this race has already been so crazy with
Trump getting shot, Biden dropping out, jd Vance being jd Vance,
I'm just glad that we finally have a normal presidential
race with normal presidential stories.
Speaker 8 (08:08):
Right breaking overnight, RFK Junior confesses to leaving a dead
bear cub in Central Park. Why he said he did
not have the time to skin and eat it?
Speaker 1 (08:21):
What?
Speaker 8 (08:24):
What?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
What's worse that RFK Junior dumped a dead bear cub
in Central Park that he said he only did it
because he didn't have time to eat it.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Let me just back up here.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
This happened back in twenty fourteen, and I remember when
they found that dead bear, because you find dead bodies
in Central Park all the time, but.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
They're usually tourists, so nobody cares.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
But but a bear, now that's memorable A decade ago?
Speaker 7 (08:56):
Is Central Park mystery baffled New Yorkers captured headline across
the country.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Please now want to know how the bear died and
how it got into the park.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Now we know. Robert F.
Speaker 7 (09:07):
Kennedy Junior, the Independent presidential candidate, says he brought the
dead bear to Central Park. In the videotaped confession, Kennedy
recounts the strange tale to controversial comedian Roseanne Barr.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Okay, I'm sorry he's admitting this to Roseanne Barr in
a kitchen over a plate of flintstone ribs.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I mean, what has happened?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Does he think it will sound more normal if he's
telling it to a crazy person.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
You know, let's not judge him too fast.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Let's hear him tell Roseanne Barr how he ended up
dumping a dead bear cub in Central Park.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I was staying in a.
Speaker 9 (09:44):
Group of people of Incosi into York Und Valley.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Great start.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I was out falconing with my friends. So far, very
relatable story.
Speaker 9 (09:58):
Woman in front of me hit him bear and killed it,
a young bear. So I pulled over and I picked
up the bear and put him in the back of
my van because I was going to skin the bear,
and it was very good condition and I was just
going to end and with the meat my refrigerator, and
you can do that in New York. Say you can
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get a bear a tag for a road killed bear.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
You saw Paddington get t boned and your first thought
was pause the falconing. We got to get that bear
in this car to skin and eat it, which, for
some reason I know is legal in the state.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah, that tracks that track. Sorry, I keep going.
Speaker 9 (10:38):
We had a really good day and we went late.
We were catching a lot of game, and instead of
going back to my home in Westchester, I had to
go right to the city because there was a dinner
I had Peter Luger Steakhouse.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah, all right, let's just do a quick recap.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
All right, he already spent all day hunting game with
falcon He's on his way to eat a steak, which
is a dead cow. But on the way he had
to stop and pick up a dead bear. And this
is the environmental candidate. Oh and by the way, and
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by the way, Peter Luger's steakhouse.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
It's a fancy steakhouse.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
It's not a place where people pull up to the
valet with the bear cubs hang out of the backseat. Hey,
here's the keys. Don't steal the rotting bear. I'm gonna
eat that.
Speaker 9 (11:30):
And at the end of the dinner, it went late
and I realized I couldn't go home. I'd go to
the airport, and the bear was in my car and
I didn't want to leave the bear in the car.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
That would have been bad.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah right, I mean, do you and why your car
to smell like rotting bear?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Then people might think you're a sociopath.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
That still doesn't explain why he dumped it in Central Park.
Speaker 9 (11:56):
There's been a series of bicycle accidents New York Day
put in the bike lanes and so people, a couple
of people are kind of killed. And it was every day,
and people un badly injured every day. It was in
the press, and I said, I am an old bike
in my card. If somebody that is when you get
rid of it, I said, let's go put the bear
in Central Park and we'll make it look like.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Oh, ha ha ha, you were making a joke about
all the people killed by bicycles.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Ha ha ha.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Roseanne gets it, don't you, Roseanne? Can you imagine how
weird you have to be for Roseanne to look at
you like you're crazy? Honestly, I feel bad for her.
She probably thought she was doing a cameo on the bear.
None of this story makes sense if he was late
to the airport. You don't drive into the heart of
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Manhattan to dump a dead bear. You dump it in
the East River, and or you just bring it on
the airplane. You call your emotional support, bear carcass go
let it on.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Look.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I will say this, I am one of those people
who hates the two party system, but if this is
the candidate of the third party, I say, screw it.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Let's just have a king.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
For more on this extremely strange story. Let's go out
to RFK headquarters with Desi Leideck. This is a really
disturbing story RFK told.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Actually consta the campaign is feeling quite confident about how
RFK handled this potential pr crisis. It's like he saw
a story by the side of the road and said,
I can make a meal.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Out of this. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
So RFK thinks that filming that video with Roseannebart was
a good thing.
Speaker 9 (13:49):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Absolutely. By telling the story to a comedian, he transformed
it from disturbing story to funny anecdote. And word is
he's sticking with that strategy going forward. In fact, I'm
hearing that he just confessed that he was the diarrhea
guy who did diarrhea on that diarrhea plane.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Wait, that plane last year that landed because a guy
had diarrhea all over the aisle.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
RFK was that guy. That's right, That's right.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
He just sat down in Rob Schneider's garage to tell
him the story. See, he was falconing along the Hudson
when he found a bunch of loose Deli meats by
the river, and he was gonna throw it out, but
he was running late, so he just ate all of it,
jumped on the plane, and the rest is history. You know,
a lot of people would be embarrassed, but RFK is
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just putting it all out there, just like he did
on that plane.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
You know, this is a lot for the American people
to process right after the Bear thing.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I know, I know.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
But just wait until they hear about how he caused
the BP oil spill in twenty ten.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Deep Water Horizon. He caused that. Calm down.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
He just finished explaining it in Adam Carolla's gazebo. It's
a funny story. See what happened was RFK was flamingoing upstate,
and then he came across the lion giving birth. He
wanted to collect the placenta and Mason jars for smoothies,
but he had a train to catch in six and
a half minutes.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
So what are you.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Even talking about? These aren't cute, charming stories. They're bizarre
and creepy.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Oh well, you are not gonna like the twitch live
stream he did from Kratop's Tomato guard.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Oh my, what did he even talk about? Oh?
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Oh, this one's real fun. See what happened was RFK
was swan tipping Upstaate. He worked up quite the appetite
because those swans don't go down without a fight. So
he scoured the local highway for food, but sadly, nothing
adorable had been hit by a car. Then he realized
he was already on a flight to Wuhan, where he
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then went to a wet market with no shoes on.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Are you telling me RFK started the COVID pandemic by
going bare foot in a wet market.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Well, when you put it that way, it's much less money.
I mean, you're not Roseanne?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Does he link? Everyone?
Speaker 7 (16:10):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
When we come back, we'll talk to Roxanne gang, don't
go anywhere?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Is that true? Welcome back to the Daily Show. My
guest tonight is a.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Best selling author, publisher, and a professor whose new ebook
is called Stand Your Ground, a Black feminist reckoning with
America's gun problem. Please welcome Roxanne Gay. Wow, All right,
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what what made you want to write this piece about guns?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
A lot of different things.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
But my brother was a big gun owner, very enthusiastic
about guns, which was weird because nobody in my family
cares about guns. And we were like, oh, where did
this come from? And he kept trying to get my
other brother and I to buy a gun, and we
were like, huh no, we're good. And finally he broke
us all down, and so I got my first gun.
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And one of the things I noticed at the gun
store and at the gun range was that there were
a lot of people of color, and black women in particular,
And so I thought, why are black women buying guns?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Other than the obvious, Well, why are black women buying guns?
Speaker 6 (17:40):
Black women, I think, are buying guns simply because we
often recognize that if we don't protect ourselves, no one
else will. A lot of times it's that we don't
trust that the police will come to our homes and
protect us. And in fact, Sonya Massey's murder recently bears
that out among many others. And so I think it's
not a form of empowerment, which I think is overused
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and cheesy, but it is a form of protection and
recognizing that sometimes you have to take your own defense
in your own hands.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
There's something beautiful about a bunch of white male forefathers
two hundred and sixty years ago not envisioning black and
brown people at the shooting range.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I know, was it beautiful?
Speaker 8 (18:23):
Was that?
Speaker 6 (18:24):
I mean, I think that there's a lot to be
said about the founders and their lack of vision. I
mean people always talk about no, I mean, how much.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Vision they have.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
You mentioned it in the essay that the Second Amendment
wasn't written for black people.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
It wasn't written for black people, it wasn't written for women.
They saw us as only three fifths of a person.
So I guess we could only use three fifths of
a musket. But now you know, if the Second Amendment
applies to white men, it applies to all of us.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
And I you know, do you?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I mean, what's fun about this essay is it's not
you writing about people that own guns.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
You you bought a gun. I did.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Back to your first gun, the Baretta was a little
too big. Then you bought a different gun.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
So big, kind of like the pull vaulter, What can
you do?
Speaker 1 (19:22):
What's it like buying a gun?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I know that you know half the country's going to
hear that question and laugh and like do you not?
But there's a lot of people that don't. I have
I even know how to buy a gun. What was
it like buying a gun for you?
Speaker 6 (19:32):
Well, I live in California most of the time, and
so it's kind of a pain.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
But it should be like it should be to buy
a gun. To buy a gun, it's also a process.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
You have to take a little test, which is fine.
It's like the driver's exam. You study the booklet in
your car beforehand, and you fill out an application, you
get a background check, and then ten days after you
do all of that, you can pick up the gun,
which I think is great. Take us some time. I
really think through like do I really need this? Or
am I angry?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I mean, a gun destroys things.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
It does, it takes people's lives, It causes grievous injuries.
You know, we talk a lot about the people who
die from gun violence, but there are people whose lives
are irrevocable, irrevocably changed because of really bad injuries, the
loss of limbs, the loss of organs, and so you
really have to think very carefully about why you would
welcome a weapon like this into your home.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
But we don't have children.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
If we have children, it would be a complete nonstarter.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Well, how did you, and maybe I'm asking selfishly, how
did you or was it hard to convince your wife
to have a gun in the house.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
No?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Surprisingly, but that's another consideration consideration.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
If she said no, the answer would be no. But
she's a lifelong New Yorker, so.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
She's not afraid of a good fight.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
And she's like, why I need a gun.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I'm in New York. I'll do all. She doesn't need
a gun at all.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
She doesn't even need her fists. She has a very
capable mouth.
Speaker 8 (21:10):
What.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
I'm just going to leave that there. What has.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
What did you learn that maybe you weren't expecting about
America's gun epidemic in this process?
Speaker 6 (21:21):
I learned so much and I think everyone, I mean,
we read the statistics every single time. There is a
horrific crime, and nothing ever changes. But there are more
guns than people in this country nuts, which cannot possibly
be the case, but yet it is. And only about
thirty five percent of Americans own guns, which is to
say that the people who own guns really really love
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their guns, and they own a whole lot of them.
And that really surprised me, because when you listen to
the NRA and other lobbyists talk about gun ownership, they
really make it seem like everyone's kind of like walking
around with a gun in their purse or in the
back of their genes. And that's not the case, nor
should it be, And yet that's what we hear that
so many people own guns. Now, it's a choice that
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some people make, and yet those people get a disproportionate
amount of our cultural attention.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
One thing that really resonated with me in the essay
was when you went to the shooting range and you
almost you were mentioning the shooting instructure. Raoul, I'm not
how obsessed he was with safety.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yes, and I loved hearing that. Oh yeah, and I
think so hardcore.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
But I mean, is this side of gun ownership isn't
always told a lot of responsible gun owners are obsessed
with safety.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Share a little bit of that experience with you.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
For sure.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
When you hear about gun violence in general, it's irresponsible
gun owners. It's people who don't know how to handle
it properly. But before we even went to the range,
we took some classes because we're nerds, and we sat
in an actual classroom and he was like, here are
the four rules of gun safety. Write it down, which
I did, and it was really heartening to see that
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there is a responsible way to go about this, that
you don't have to be casual, you don't have to
be careless, and you can protect not only yourselves but
the people in your household and also your community by
being responsible and also you know, locking up your guns.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Do you feel safer owning a gun?
Speaker 6 (23:16):
No, not really, but that's because I know what happens
to legal gun ownership for black people when the police
are involved. So well, not necessarily, but I do feel
like I get a lot of death threats.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
That's what precipitates. Yeah, that's what I want.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I mean, what you know, I have friends that say
they own guns for defense of their home, and I
kind of laugh. Because you live on ten acres, you
don't even have a neighbor. But when you were describing
in the book that you get true death threats and
people threatening your wife, that's different.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Now it's different, and it starts to get closer and
closer to home. And as the threats became more and
more specific, particularly during COVID, I just thought, man, am
I going to sit around and wait for something to
happen or not? But the thing that makes me feel
most safest. We also got a dog during COVID, and
he weighs nine pounds, yeah, and thinks he weighs ninety.
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And he lets us know when someone's even thinking about
the house. And so that's actually what makes me feel safe.
Like I don't know if I can stop something, but Max,
our dog, Maximus Toretto Blueberry, he's absolutely going to let
us know.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I mean, in some states there's more regulations about dog
adoption than getting a gun.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Yes, right, And in some states women have more rights
as gun owners than they do as women or people
with uteruses.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
You know, you wrote that black gun ownership is definitely
a political act. White gun ownership is generally taken as
an inalienable right.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
Explain that to me, absolutely, we tend to look at
the Bill of Rights almost of the Ten Commandments.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I mean, you know they're getting close from clotheser.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Yeah, and you know we treat those Bill of Rights
as inalienable. But the further you get from a white, heterosexual,
cisgender man, the more you have to fight for those rights,
and the more you are considered sort of an anomaly
when you choose to avail yourself of those rights. And
I'm not the kind of person who's going to wrap
myself in the Second Amendment. I think that no one
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should be able to own a gun, and if they
want to come take it, like, feel free. But that said,
as long as the right is there, I think there
are many black gun owners who say why not. And
some people are shooting enthusiasts. Some people are concerned with
self defense and home protection, and there's room for all
of that.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
We contain multitudes.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I love in your essay you reminded all of us
that the Second Amendment is twenty seven words.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
It is.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
It is shocking given how often people talk about it.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I mean, it's kind of like, hey, guys, we need
a little more clarity.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
You would think, would we be like a little more specific.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
But also in seventeen eighty seven when they were writing
those twenty seven words, it must get took a long
time to load, and it only shot one bullet at
a time. I don't think that the founding fathers could
have begun to imagine what that gun would become. And
the fact that we decided collectively that we were okay
with not regulating weapons of mass destruction is something that
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astonishes me every single day.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Let's talk about stand your ground, and you know, you
dive into it in the essay.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
It feels kind of actually when you start to think, oh,
we actually put a law on the books that you're
allowed to kill somebody. Should it you know, should it
be more inclusive? Should it be taken off the books?
I mean, what is a thought you have on standard ground?
Speaker 6 (26:41):
I think it should be more specific, and I think
that if it applies to one person, it should apply
to everyone. Like George Zimmerman used stan your ground as
his excuse for killing Trayvon Martin, but Marissa Alexander also
used stan your ground. She was a legal gun owner
who shot in the air away from her former partner
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who was menacing her and against whom she had a
restraining order and she spent five years in jail and
house under house arrest because of that, and so when
black people try to stand their ground in general, it
is used against them, and so that's really what we
have to change. But I also don't think we should
be given carte blanche to take other people's lives.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
You have you painted well.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
You shared a lot of examples that I was unfamiliar with,
and it's a great read. Kamala Harris, how you feeling,
I'm feeling great as.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
As a black.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Woman, as a feminist, as a gun owner.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I don't know if that pertains, it actually doesn't protect.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
However, I think that I wasn't really advocating for Biden
to step down, but I was excited when he did.
I think that Vice President Harris is going to be
a very interesting president. I think we have an opportunity.
For so long we've been told we have to wait
till twenty twenty four, four, twenty thirty two to twenty forty.
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Who knows for real political change. And even in the
run up to Harris becoming the nominee, people were saying
that she's not a viable candidate, like what about Gavin Newsome,
what about Gretchen Whitmer, and so I think it is
a real interesting moment to consider who is Kamala Harris
and what kind of president would she be? And we
don't just have to uncritically engage with her. I think
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we can ask her genuine political questions about where she
stands on the major issues we're dealing with right now,
whether it's Gaza, Ukraine, reproductive freedom here in the country,
transgender rights, and it's a very long list, but I
am encouraged. I think she's going to do the job
extremely well. I don't think that she's going to make
everyone happy, but I don't think that's possible for a president,
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and look at the alternative.
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The Olympics has big dick energy, conservatives are finally interested
in women's sports, and RFK Junior just lost his endorsement
from Smokey Bear.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Let's get into the headlines.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Let's get things off with the Olympics, a gathering of
the world's greatest as fleets and also some people who
own horses. Now, I've been super interested in these Olympics,
mostly because I bet my daughter's college tuition on mixed
doubles badminton. But it's fine, She's not really an academic kid,
to be honest with you. So so far it's been incredible. Now,
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not the badminton, that's a stupid sport, but the real sports,
like the men's one hundred meters finals were on Sunday,
where American Noah Lyles got the gold medal by five
thousands of a second. Yeah, do you realize how little
time that is that's five thousands of a second. I
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just said it. Pay attention. This was the closest finish
in over forty years. And I don't want to take
anything away from Noah Lyles, but isn't this a tie?
I mean, what do we even have ties for if
we're not going to pull it out for stuff like this.
I mean, in fact, if you were watching this with
just your eyes, all these guys finished at the same time.
(02:00):
If these guys were trains, no one would say my
train was late. Right. Another Olympic moment getting a lot
of attention is the pole vaulter who knocked the bar over.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
With his large penis.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Now, if you haven't heard about this story, do not
google penis Olympics will That'll take you to the wrong website.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
What can I say? I like to do my own research, But.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
You also don't really need to google it, because that's
the whole story.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
A pole vaulter lost when his giant schlong.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Got hot on the crossbar, and according to the rules
of pole vaulting, you're allowed to touch the crossbar, but
you're not allowed to fuck it.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
So he lost.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
But this has gotta be the best possible way to
lose you know, yeah, I would have won if it
weren't for this damn massive had In fact, this is
the only event where the guy who won probably felt bad, like, hey,
you know, my dick is good too. I will say
next Olympics, this guy should compete in the one hundred meters.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
He'd win from ten feet back.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Oh look, oh, everyone loves a good whole vaulting dick joke.
But look to this athlete. And I know this is tough,
but I'll say to you what I say to the
little league team I coach. It's not whether you win
or lose, it's how gigantic everyone knows your penis is.
But the biggest story so far is about Algerian boxer
(03:41):
Iman Khalif, who's been doing a great job in the
women's boxing tournament.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Some people would say too good.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Some critics questioning whether he Leif should have been allowed
to compete in that ring at all, and claiming that
Klif is a man or transgender, something IOC officials have
emphatically denied.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Algerian boxer was born female, was registered female, lived her
life as a female, boxed as a female, has a
female possible. This is not a transgender case.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Seems pretty open and shut to me.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Right, she was born a woman, lives as a woman,
and boxes other women.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
So what is the argument against that? This is such
an outrage? Look at this. This is a man.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
This is a man who is competing in the boxing
tournament for women.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
No, she's not. She's a woman.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
She's a woman like you, Megan Kelly, a woman at
the peak of her career.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Unlike Megan Kelly.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
But she she still is a woman.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
You easily could just say, listen, you could only fight
and compete in the gender.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
In which you were born. Those are just the rules,
end of story. Forget a ending.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Okay, but those rules would still let her box with women,
because again, she's a woman. She's fought as a woman
her whole life. She's even lost to other female boxers
nine times.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
What more do you want?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Does Fox News need the ghost of Roger Ales to
sexually harass her?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
First, she's a woman.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
Okay, looks like a duck, wax like a duck, walks
like a duck, and punches like a duck.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
I think it's a duck, all right.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Well, look, so she's not a duck. Okay, she's a woman.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
You're not making me question whether I know what a
woman is. You're making me question whether you know what a.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Duck is.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Because again, this female boxer is female. Can we stop
this before America turns into a presidential campaign issue?
Speaker 7 (05:36):
The far left wants to allow biological males to beat
the living crap out of woman in boxing?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Is that really what this race is going to be about?
Jd Vance is going to be on the campaign trail.
Like you know, when I was growing up in the haller,
the one thing we cared about was international women's boxing regulations.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
By the way, if.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Conservatives are so concerned with women's safety, maybe can consider
caring about it outside of sports. There are women, There
are women in America who are like, help me, I'm
having an ectopic pregnancy, and conservatives they're like, shut up,
we're trying to protect women over here.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Look, guys, I'm.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Sorry, this elite athlete does not look the way you
think a woman should look. But a woman is allowed
to be dominating and powerful at a sport without you
questioning her gender because don't forget these guys. Don't forget
these guys dragged her, an Algerian female boxer, into their
American conservative culture work and if they're gonna use her
(06:38):
as a metaphorical punching bag, the least they can do
is step into the ring and.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Let her use them as a literal punching back. I
bet they weren't even laugh aloud.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
All right, let's move on to the presidential race. Kamala
Harris is set to announce her running mate at any moment,
and to balance out the ticket, it'll most likely be
a white guy like Josh Shapiro, Tim Walls or the
pole vaulter dude with the penis. But let's put that
beast to use breaking the glass sailing. If you guys
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love a pull vault vic Joe huh yeah. Meanwhile, Donald
Trump has backed out of the September debate he had
previously agreed on and is now saying, well, only debate
Kamala if it's in a pact arena moderated.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
By Fox News.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Also, at any point in the debate, he gets to
call the cops on her for loitering. Also, it's not
a debate, it's golf. But look, I'm actually sympathetic to Trump.
Don't forget he agreed to this debate against Joe Biden.
If I agreed to wrestle an old man and then
at the last second he taps in a younger opponent
whose knees actually work.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I might also object, but look.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Wrangling over a debate choosing a VP candidate.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
These are our normal campaign stories.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
And since this race has already been so crazy with
Trump getting shot, Biden dropping out, jd Vance being jd Vance,
I'm just glad that we finally have a normal presidential
race with normal presidential stories.
Speaker 8 (08:08):
Right breaking overnight, RFK Junior confesses to leaving a dead
bear cub in Central Park. Why he said he did
not have the time to skin and eat it?
Speaker 1 (08:21):
What?
Speaker 8 (08:24):
What?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
What's worse that RFK Junior dumped a dead bear cub
in Central Park that he said he only did it
because he didn't have time to eat it.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Let me just back up here.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
This happened back in twenty fourteen, and I remember when
they found that dead bear, because you find dead bodies
in Central Park all the time, but.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
They're usually tourists, so nobody cares.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
But but a bear, now that's memorable A decade ago?
Speaker 7 (08:56):
Is Central Park mystery baffled New Yorkers captured headline across
the country.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Please now want to know how the bear died and
how it got into the park.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Now we know. Robert F.
Speaker 7 (09:07):
Kennedy Junior, the Independent presidential candidate, says he brought the
dead bear to Central Park. In the videotaped confession, Kennedy
recounts the strange tale to controversial comedian Roseanne Barr.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Okay, I'm sorry he's admitting this to Roseanne Barr in
a kitchen over a plate of flintstone ribs.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I mean, what has happened?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Does he think it will sound more normal if he's
telling it to a crazy person.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
You know, let's not judge him too fast.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Let's hear him tell Roseanne Barr how he ended up
dumping a dead bear cub in Central Park.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I was staying in a.
Speaker 9 (09:44):
Group of people of Incosi into York Und Valley.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Great start.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I was out falconing with my friends. So far, very
relatable story.
Speaker 9 (09:58):
Woman in front of me hit him bear and killed it,
a young bear. So I pulled over and I picked
up the bear and put him in the back of
my van because I was going to skin the bear,
and it was very good condition and I was just
going to end and with the meat my refrigerator, and
you can do that in New York. Say you can
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get a bear a tag for a road killed bear.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
You saw Paddington get t boned and your first thought
was pause the falconing. We got to get that bear
in this car to skin and eat it, which, for
some reason I know is legal in the state.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah, that tracks that track. Sorry, I keep going.
Speaker 9 (10:38):
We had a really good day and we went late.
We were catching a lot of game, and instead of
going back to my home in Westchester, I had to
go right to the city because there was a dinner
I had Peter Luger Steakhouse.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah, all right, let's just do a quick recap.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
All right, he already spent all day hunting game with
falcon He's on his way to eat a steak, which
is a dead cow. But on the way he had
to stop and pick up a dead bear. And this
is the environmental candidate. Oh and by the way, and
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by the way, Peter Luger's steakhouse.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
It's a fancy steakhouse.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
It's not a place where people pull up to the
valet with the bear cubs hang out of the backseat. Hey,
here's the keys. Don't steal the rotting bear. I'm gonna
eat that.
Speaker 9 (11:30):
And at the end of the dinner, it went late
and I realized I couldn't go home. I'd go to
the airport, and the bear was in my car and
I didn't want to leave the bear in the car.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
That would have been bad.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah right, I mean, do you and why your car
to smell like rotting bear?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Then people might think you're a sociopath.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
That still doesn't explain why he dumped it in Central Park.
Speaker 9 (11:56):
There's been a series of bicycle accidents New York Day
put in the bike lanes and so people, a couple
of people are kind of killed. And it was every day,
and people un badly injured every day. It was in
the press, and I said, I am an old bike
in my card. If somebody that is when you get
rid of it, I said, let's go put the bear
in Central Park and we'll make it look like.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Oh, ha ha ha, you were making a joke about
all the people killed by bicycles.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Ha ha ha.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Roseanne gets it, don't you, Roseanne? Can you imagine how
weird you have to be for Roseanne to look at
you like you're crazy? Honestly, I feel bad for her.
She probably thought she was doing a cameo on the bear.
None of this story makes sense if he was late
to the airport. You don't drive into the heart of
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Manhattan to dump a dead bear. You dump it in
the East River, and or you just bring it on
the airplane. You call your emotional support, bear carcass go
let it on.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Look.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I will say this, I am one of those people
who hates the two party system, but if this is
the candidate of the third party, I say, screw it.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Let's just have a king.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
For more on this extremely strange story. Let's go out
to RFK headquarters with Desi Leideck. This is a really
disturbing story RFK told.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Actually consta the campaign is feeling quite confident about how
RFK handled this potential pr crisis. It's like he saw
a story by the side of the road and said,
I can make a meal.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Out of this. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
So RFK thinks that filming that video with Roseannebart was
a good thing.
Speaker 9 (13:49):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Absolutely. By telling the story to a comedian, he transformed
it from disturbing story to funny anecdote. And word is
he's sticking with that strategy going forward. In fact, I'm
hearing that he just confessed that he was the diarrhea
guy who did diarrhea on that diarrhea plane.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Wait, that plane last year that landed because a guy
had diarrhea all over the aisle.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
RFK was that guy. That's right, That's right.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
He just sat down in Rob Schneider's garage to tell
him the story. See, he was falconing along the Hudson
when he found a bunch of loose Deli meats by
the river, and he was gonna throw it out, but
he was running late, so he just ate all of it,
jumped on the plane, and the rest is history. You know,
a lot of people would be embarrassed, but RFK is
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just putting it all out there, just like he did
on that plane.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
You know, this is a lot for the American people
to process right after the Bear thing.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I know, I know.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
But just wait until they hear about how he caused
the BP oil spill in twenty ten.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Deep Water Horizon. He caused that. Calm down.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
He just finished explaining it in Adam Carolla's gazebo. It's
a funny story. See what happened was RFK was flamingoing upstate,
and then he came across the lion giving birth. He
wanted to collect the placenta and Mason jars for smoothies,
but he had a train to catch in six and
a half minutes.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
So what are you.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Even talking about? These aren't cute, charming stories. They're bizarre
and creepy.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Oh well, you are not gonna like the twitch live
stream he did from Kratop's Tomato guard.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Oh my, what did he even talk about? Oh?
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Oh, this one's real fun. See what happened was RFK
was swan tipping Upstaate. He worked up quite the appetite
because those swans don't go down without a fight. So
he scoured the local highway for food, but sadly, nothing
adorable had been hit by a car. Then he realized
he was already on a flight to Wuhan, where he
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then went to a wet market with no shoes on.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Are you telling me RFK started the COVID pandemic by
going bare foot in a wet market.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Well, when you put it that way, it's much less money.
I mean, you're not Roseanne?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Does he link? Everyone?
Speaker 7 (16:10):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
When we come back, we'll talk to Roxanne gang, don't
go anywhere?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Is that true? Welcome back to the Daily Show. My
guest tonight is a.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Best selling author, publisher, and a professor whose new ebook
is called Stand Your Ground, a Black feminist reckoning with
America's gun problem. Please welcome Roxanne Gay. Wow, All right,
(16:58):
what what made you want to write this piece about guns?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
A lot of different things.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
But my brother was a big gun owner, very enthusiastic
about guns, which was weird because nobody in my family
cares about guns. And we were like, oh, where did
this come from? And he kept trying to get my
other brother and I to buy a gun, and we
were like, huh no, we're good. And finally he broke
us all down, and so I got my first gun.
(17:25):
And one of the things I noticed at the gun
store and at the gun range was that there were
a lot of people of color, and black women in particular,
And so I thought, why are black women buying guns?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Other than the obvious, Well, why are black women buying guns?
Speaker 6 (17:40):
Black women, I think, are buying guns simply because we
often recognize that if we don't protect ourselves, no one
else will. A lot of times it's that we don't
trust that the police will come to our homes and
protect us. And in fact, Sonya Massey's murder recently bears
that out among many others. And so I think it's
not a form of empowerment, which I think is overused
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and cheesy, but it is a form of protection and
recognizing that sometimes you have to take your own defense
in your own hands.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
There's something beautiful about a bunch of white male forefathers
two hundred and sixty years ago not envisioning black and
brown people at the shooting range.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I know, was it beautiful?
Speaker 8 (18:23):
Was that?
Speaker 6 (18:24):
I mean, I think that there's a lot to be
said about the founders and their lack of vision. I
mean people always talk about no, I mean, how much.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Vision they have.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
You mentioned it in the essay that the Second Amendment
wasn't written for black people.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
It wasn't written for black people, it wasn't written for women.
They saw us as only three fifths of a person.
So I guess we could only use three fifths of
a musket. But now you know, if the Second Amendment
applies to white men, it applies to all of us.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
And I you know, do you?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I mean, what's fun about this essay is it's not
you writing about people that own guns.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
You you bought a gun. I did.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Back to your first gun, the Baretta was a little
too big. Then you bought a different gun.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
So big, kind of like the pull vaulter, What can
you do?
Speaker 1 (19:22):
What's it like buying a gun?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I know that you know half the country's going to
hear that question and laugh and like do you not?
But there's a lot of people that don't. I have
I even know how to buy a gun. What was
it like buying a gun for you?
Speaker 6 (19:32):
Well, I live in California most of the time, and
so it's kind of a pain.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
But it should be like it should be to buy
a gun. To buy a gun, it's also a process.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
You have to take a little test, which is fine.
It's like the driver's exam. You study the booklet in
your car beforehand, and you fill out an application, you
get a background check, and then ten days after you
do all of that, you can pick up the gun,
which I think is great. Take us some time. I
really think through like do I really need this? Or
am I angry?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I mean, a gun destroys things.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
It does, it takes people's lives, It causes grievous injuries.
You know, we talk a lot about the people who
die from gun violence, but there are people whose lives
are irrevocable, irrevocably changed because of really bad injuries, the
loss of limbs, the loss of organs, and so you
really have to think very carefully about why you would
welcome a weapon like this into your home.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
But we don't have children.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
If we have children, it would be a complete nonstarter.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Well, how did you, and maybe I'm asking selfishly, how
did you or was it hard to convince your wife
to have a gun in the house.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
No?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Surprisingly, but that's another consideration consideration.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
If she said no, the answer would be no. But
she's a lifelong New Yorker, so.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
She's not afraid of a good fight.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
And she's like, why I need a gun.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I'm in New York. I'll do all. She doesn't need
a gun at all.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
She doesn't even need her fists. She has a very
capable mouth.
Speaker 8 (21:10):
What.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
I'm just going to leave that there. What has.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
What did you learn that maybe you weren't expecting about
America's gun epidemic in this process?
Speaker 6 (21:21):
I learned so much and I think everyone, I mean,
we read the statistics every single time. There is a
horrific crime, and nothing ever changes. But there are more
guns than people in this country nuts, which cannot possibly
be the case, but yet it is. And only about
thirty five percent of Americans own guns, which is to
say that the people who own guns really really love
(21:41):
their guns, and they own a whole lot of them.
And that really surprised me, because when you listen to
the NRA and other lobbyists talk about gun ownership, they
really make it seem like everyone's kind of like walking
around with a gun in their purse or in the
back of their genes. And that's not the case, nor
should it be, And yet that's what we hear that
so many people own guns. Now, it's a choice that
(22:03):
some people make, and yet those people get a disproportionate
amount of our cultural attention.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
One thing that really resonated with me in the essay
was when you went to the shooting range and you
almost you were mentioning the shooting instructure. Raoul, I'm not
how obsessed he was with safety.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yes, and I loved hearing that. Oh yeah, and I
think so hardcore.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
But I mean, is this side of gun ownership isn't
always told a lot of responsible gun owners are obsessed
with safety.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Share a little bit of that experience with you.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
For sure.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
When you hear about gun violence in general, it's irresponsible
gun owners. It's people who don't know how to handle
it properly. But before we even went to the range,
we took some classes because we're nerds, and we sat
in an actual classroom and he was like, here are
the four rules of gun safety. Write it down, which
I did, and it was really heartening to see that
(22:58):
there is a responsible way to go about this, that
you don't have to be casual, you don't have to
be careless, and you can protect not only yourselves but
the people in your household and also your community by
being responsible and also you know, locking up your guns.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Do you feel safer owning a gun?
Speaker 6 (23:16):
No, not really, but that's because I know what happens
to legal gun ownership for black people when the police
are involved. So well, not necessarily, but I do feel
like I get a lot of death threats.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
That's what precipitates. Yeah, that's what I want.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I mean, what you know, I have friends that say
they own guns for defense of their home, and I
kind of laugh. Because you live on ten acres, you
don't even have a neighbor. But when you were describing
in the book that you get true death threats and
people threatening your wife, that's different.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Now it's different, and it starts to get closer and
closer to home. And as the threats became more and
more specific, particularly during COVID, I just thought, man, am
I going to sit around and wait for something to
happen or not? But the thing that makes me feel
most safest. We also got a dog during COVID, and
he weighs nine pounds, yeah, and thinks he weighs ninety.
(24:08):
And he lets us know when someone's even thinking about
the house. And so that's actually what makes me feel safe.
Like I don't know if I can stop something, but Max,
our dog, Maximus Toretto Blueberry, he's absolutely going to let
us know.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I mean, in some states there's more regulations about dog
adoption than getting a gun.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Yes, right, And in some states women have more rights
as gun owners than they do as women or people
with uteruses.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
You know, you wrote that black gun ownership is definitely
a political act. White gun ownership is generally taken as
an inalienable right.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
Explain that to me, absolutely, we tend to look at
the Bill of Rights almost of the Ten Commandments.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I mean, you know they're getting close from clotheser.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Yeah, and you know we treat those Bill of Rights
as inalienable. But the further you get from a white, heterosexual,
cisgender man, the more you have to fight for those rights,
and the more you are considered sort of an anomaly
when you choose to avail yourself of those rights. And
I'm not the kind of person who's going to wrap
myself in the Second Amendment. I think that no one
(25:15):
should be able to own a gun, and if they
want to come take it, like, feel free. But that said,
as long as the right is there, I think there
are many black gun owners who say why not. And
some people are shooting enthusiasts. Some people are concerned with
self defense and home protection, and there's room for all
of that.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
We contain multitudes.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I love in your essay you reminded all of us
that the Second Amendment is twenty seven words.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
It is.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
It is shocking given how often people talk about it.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I mean, it's kind of like, hey, guys, we need
a little more clarity.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
You would think, would we be like a little more specific.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
But also in seventeen eighty seven when they were writing
those twenty seven words, it must get took a long
time to load, and it only shot one bullet at
a time. I don't think that the founding fathers could
have begun to imagine what that gun would become. And
the fact that we decided collectively that we were okay
with not regulating weapons of mass destruction is something that
(26:14):
astonishes me every single day.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Let's talk about stand your ground, and you know, you
dive into it in the essay.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
It feels kind of actually when you start to think, oh,
we actually put a law on the books that you're
allowed to kill somebody. Should it you know, should it
be more inclusive? Should it be taken off the books?
I mean, what is a thought you have on standard ground?
Speaker 6 (26:41):
I think it should be more specific, and I think
that if it applies to one person, it should apply
to everyone. Like George Zimmerman used stan your ground as
his excuse for killing Trayvon Martin, but Marissa Alexander also
used stan your ground. She was a legal gun owner
who shot in the air away from her former partner
(27:02):
who was menacing her and against whom she had a
restraining order and she spent five years in jail and
house under house arrest because of that, and so when
black people try to stand their ground in general, it
is used against them, and so that's really what we
have to change. But I also don't think we should
be given carte blanche to take other people's lives.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
You have you painted well.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
You shared a lot of examples that I was unfamiliar with,
and it's a great read. Kamala Harris, how you feeling,
I'm feeling great as.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
As a black.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Woman, as a feminist, as a gun owner.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I don't know if that pertains, it actually doesn't protect.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
However, I think that I wasn't really advocating for Biden
to step down, but I was excited when he did.
I think that Vice President Harris is going to be
a very interesting president. I think we have an opportunity.
For so long we've been told we have to wait
till twenty twenty four, four, twenty thirty two to twenty forty.
(28:11):
Who knows for real political change. And even in the
run up to Harris becoming the nominee, people were saying
that she's not a viable candidate, like what about Gavin Newsome,
what about Gretchen Whitmer, and so I think it is
a real interesting moment to consider who is Kamala Harris
and what kind of president would she be? And we
don't just have to uncritically engage with her. I think
(28:33):
we can ask her genuine political questions about where she
stands on the major issues we're dealing with right now,
whether it's Gaza, Ukraine, reproductive freedom here in the country,
transgender rights, and it's a very long list, but I
am encouraged. I think she's going to do the job
extremely well. I don't think that she's going to make
everyone happy, but I don't think that's possible for a president,
(28:55):
and look at the alternative.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Thank you for talking about us safety.
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She grabbed me, she gave me a kiss. I said,
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