May 11, 2025 • 38 mins
There's still time to order flowers, but you're going to have to move fast. It's Mother's Day!
Trevor Noah and Desi Lydic discuss the best ways to celebrate Mother's Day (by leaving moms alone). Jon Stewart sits down with former president Jimmy Carter to talk about his book A Remarkable Mother. Desi dives back in to unpack the history of why we celebrate Mother's Day. Author Angela Garbes joins Trevor to discuss her book Essential Labor. Between the scenes, Trevor explains why his mother will never be on the show. Congresswoman Lucy McBath joins to discuss her book Standing our Ground: A Mother's Story and how losing her son motivated her to run for change. John Leguizamo's mom comes on to spill the beans on his childhood. Finally, Trevor shares memories of his beloved grandmother, Frances Noah.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Comedy Central.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Now, This Sunday is Mother's Day, the day when Americans
celebrate their moms with flowers and breakfast in bed, which,
by the way, I never really understood. Yeah, I don't
get why people like breakfast in bed. You know, it's
just so magical to lie here and eat in the place.
(00:24):
I've been farting for eight hours and then I'm gonna
go back to sleep in the place I ate. Look,
the point is it's a special day and for more
on that day, let's talk to our senior mom correspondent,
Daisi Lidick. Happy Mother's Day to you, Deasi, And let
me just say, I think it's one holiday that should
be every day.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Well that's kind of dom Trevor. You can't have Mother's
Day every day. I mean, the world would run out
of roses and gift cards for massages that don't include
the tip.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, I know, it was just the sentiment. You know,
it doesn't matter. This Mother's Day, Deasi, should be more
fun than the lost right because people have vaccinated. Places
are reopening, so you know, moms can actually go out
and have fun and feel safe.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean, honestly, It's a huge relief
because this past year has been especially hard for moms.
I mean, moms have taken on the biggest burden of
the pandemic. Really, between juggling career, childcare, homeschooling. The only
thing that's working harder than moms was our iPads. My
(01:29):
kid is just as much Peppa Pig's son as my own.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I feel you, they're desime. I love that show. Actually,
I actually got a pet turtle during quarantine and I
have to feed it almost every day. And I mean,
it's not the same, but it's kind of the same, right.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
It's not the same.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It's not the same.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
It's not the same.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
It's not the same at all, Daisi. Moms have been
through a lot, and hopefully you're going to get some
amazing gifts from your kids.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, yeah, I can't wait for that coupon for free hugs.
I feel you have so many of those at this point,
I can buy around for everyone. You know, Trevor, do
you know what would be really the best gift that
America can get moms this Mother's Day?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I do, Daisy, America needs to give its moms universal
childcare and paid parental leave. I feel you girl.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
What No, I mean, yes, that would be great, But
the best gifts this Mother's Day would be to just
leave moms the fuck alone.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Wait, yeah, what are you saying moms want to spend
Mother's Day on vacation from their kids?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yes, or the kids can go on vacation, I don't care.
Someone else can run around him on the beach and
make sure he doesn't eat sand I will be at
home in my bathtub and for the first time in
a while, actually taking a bath in it instead of
just getting in fully dressed and crying.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Wow. I mean, I've got to say, it does seem
more doable. Universal childcare. Great.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Great, And and then this works out well because it
doesn't just have to be for Mother's Day. Can be
for Father's Day too.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Right, because dads deserve a vacation too, No dads.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
No, I mean moms can be alone on Father's Day too,
also a Memorial Day obviously, Independence Day, Labor Day, and
you know the month of December.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Whoa, well, daisi, Desi, you're not going to spend Christmas
Day with your family?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Okay, don't mom shame me, trevor Or, I'll take that
precious little turtle of years and shove it up your
manhole now, if you'll excuse me, I need to recharge
my co parent.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Oh okay, good luck with that, Daisi, and Happy Mother's Day.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Happy Mother's Day?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
What about it?
Speaker 5 (03:47):
I got tonight.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
He was the thirty ninth president of these United States.
His new book is called A Remarkable Mother. Please welcome
back to the show, President Jimmy Carter, Sir.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
I have called it, no right, I don't. It's very
nice to see you, sir, because you look great.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
The book is called A Remarkable Mother. I want to
thank you, uh, mister president.
Speaker 7 (04:19):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
I for Mother's Day, was going to get my mother
maybe a card, maybe some flowers. Uh, thank you for
making my gesture look incredibly pitiful.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
You've You've written an entire book in homage to your mom.
Speaker 8 (04:33):
That's lovely, absolutely, and I hope everybody in America will
about it for the Mother's Day.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Are so great.
Speaker 8 (04:37):
That's why I did it to help people like.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
You, you know, like you did it as an added
bonus gift for mothers.
Speaker 9 (04:43):
Exactly, yeah you should.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
You know, Jewish mothers basically will see this and go,
oh look. Jimmy Carter wrote a book for his mother.
How interesting You didn't write a book and didn't even
have time to call how interesting?
Speaker 4 (04:58):
What?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
What do you?
Speaker 9 (04:58):
What do you feel like?
Speaker 6 (04:59):
Is is the remarkas I think everybody feels to some
extent their mother is remarkable, Their parents are remarkable. What
in your mind, what sets her part?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Well?
Speaker 8 (05:07):
I really think my mother exemplifies the finest aspects of
what American motherhood shought be. She was innovative, she was spirited,
She was indomitable, She was very courageous. She would tackle
the most difficult problems in the totality of society and
try to change it. I lived on a farm, and
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I didn't have any white neighbors. My mother never acknowledged
the impact of racial segregation in the Deep South. She
was probably the only one in our county that didn't,
and so she continued this protection of black and poor
and deprived people all of her life. When she was
seventy years old, she was still she was in India
and the peace She was in Indian Peace Corps. Yeah,
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and she was still dealing with poor people who were
black and deprived. She was in effect and untouchable. She
dealt with human fluids, which made her unacceptable in society.
So she did that all the way through, and she
implanted in me a decision not to let, you know,
public criticism deter me from what I thought was right.
(06:11):
In fact, when she was seventy years old, she wrote
in her dowry, and I quught it in the book
that if I had one wish for my children, it
was for them to do what they think is right,
what's adventurous and challenging and unpredictable and gratifying, and not
give a damn what anybody says about them. So that's
one of the things.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
I learned to find his arts. And she never let
you get a big head.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
No, she didn't. She made to stay humble.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
It was at a great anecdote about somebody asked her,
They said, are you proud of your son? And she
said which one?
Speaker 8 (06:40):
Yes, exactly that that was right after I walked down
Pennsylvania Avenue. I was so proud of myself. And so
when she the reporters asked her, aren't you proud of
your son? I thought, this is finally my mom was
going to say something good about me. And she said
which one? And she always thought Billy was the most
brillian a child, and the family.
Speaker 9 (07:02):
And I can't and she would remind you about that.
Speaker 8 (07:04):
Absolutely, and I can't dispute that. I think Billy was
probably the.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
Most brilliant and your sister as well, right.
Speaker 8 (07:10):
I had two sisters, yeah, all of them, and my
father died with pancreatic cancer. My mother died of cancer too.
But so that was I had a good, good, solid,
wonderful bring.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
As you watch as you watch the candidates now going through,
could you have become president in this media climate?
Speaker 8 (07:27):
No, I don't think so. In the first place, I
didn't have any money, and I was a very poor campaigner,
but the way I won was sneaky.
Speaker 9 (07:36):
Really probably the.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Other Candy, maybe you could have become president.
Speaker 8 (07:40):
I would have been a good president afterwards. But but
what happened was that I didn't have any money. We
never stayed in the motel. We never stayed in the hotel.
We couldn't afford it. But every Monday morning, I and
my wife and three sons and my mother would go
out on the campaign trail. Never campaign together. So mother
would go to different parts of the country from where
I was, and with her speaking ability and her exuberance
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and to forth, she gathered enough votes to help put
me in the White House. So and this and this,
uh was a foregone conclusion. I had one hour and
New Hampshire and Florida before the other candidates woke up
to the fact that I had a remarkable mother.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
Oh really, So she gets credit for the presidency as well?
Speaker 8 (08:22):
Sure, because I won, I won by that much and
it hadn't If it hadn't been from my mother, I
wouldn't have been president.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
And I imagine she mentioned that to you as well.
Speaker 8 (08:29):
She should have a fail to you.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
Well, maybe see, maybe Baptist and Jewish are not that
different after all.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
If you're wondering why I'm in bed having cold eggs,
burnt bacon, and a pancake filled with jelly beans, then
you've never celebrated Mother's Day. It's that special day each
year when your husband gives you flowers he bought in
a panic at the gas station and a CARDI wrote
with his feet. So it looks like your dumbest kid
did it. But societies have been honoring mothers since ancient times,
including all the way back in ancient Egypt, where an
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annual festival honored the mother of all pharaohs. Isis no
not the one that you're thinking Isis was an Egyptian
goddess and style inspo for every white girl at Coachella.
The Greeks and Romans also had spring festivals celebrating the
Great Mother. The Greeks called her Rehea, who's usually depicted
with a mural crown seated in a chariot pulled by
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two lions, which is badass and carbon neutral. We should
bring that back. But what we know to me Mother's
Day really traces back to eighteen fifty two and a
woman named Anne Reeves Jarvis. She started something called Mother's
Day work Clubs, where women in the community would help
needy families buy medicine, get clean water, and practice safe
sewage disposal, which is pretty intense as far as mom
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groups go. The one I'm in mostly just swaps hand
me down Almo Onesie's for weed. After Anne she Reads
Jarvis died, her daughter Anna Jarvis, decided to honor her.
In nineteen oh eight, she organized the first official Mother's
Day celebration in Philadelphia with the help of department store
owner John Wannamaker, handing out hundreds of white carnations because
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her mother loved them. Even though let's be honest, they're
kind of the basic bitch of flowers. And because the
day was so successful, Jarvis lobbied to have the holiday
honoring mothers added to the national calendar. She led a
letter writing campaign to newspapers, politicians, and the governors of
every state. Now this was before Twitter, so she couldn't
do that thing where you just tag a bunch of
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important people and retweet yourself. It didn't work, by the way.
After years of pushing and fighting and writing, Jarvis's dream
was realized when President Woodrow Wilson finally made Mother's Day
a national holiday in nineteen fourteen. It was the best
thing to happen to mothers until the invention of white Zinfidel.
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But guess what Once Mother's Day became an official holiday,
Anna Jarvis I hated it. She thought her sincere holiday
had become a commercialized racket and called the florist and
greeting card manufacturers Charlatan's bandits, pirates, racketeers, kidnappers, and termites
that would undermine with their greed one of the finest,
noblest and truest movements and celebrations, which basically sounds like
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how William Shakespeare would give a one star Yelp review.
Jarvis hated the holidays so much that it soon became
her life's work. To undo her life's work, she went
door to door collecting petitions to take Mother's Day off
the calendar. She threatened people who use the phrase Mother's
Day with copyright infringement. She got in a fight with
Eleanor Roosevelt for using Mother's Day to raise money for charity,
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and one time, when a waitress told her to enjoy
her Mother's Day salad, Jarvis threw the salad on the ground.
It's true you can google it, although don't search for
mother Tassa's salad. Those are not the results you want.
I'm trying to get it off the dark web. Oh
you saw it, Yeah, thank you. But basically, Anna Jarvis
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brought Mother's Day into this world and ever since it
was an endless source of disappointment and frustration in her life,
which ironically is a pretty perfect metaphor for motherhood anyway,
that is why we celebrate Mother's Day. Now, if you
don't mind, I'm gonna try to enjoy this abomination of
a breakfast hm hm, licorice, jelly bean.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yah, Welcome back to the Day Show. My guest tonight
is best selling autha Angela Gobbis. She's here to talk
about her new book, Essential Labor, which reflects on the
state of caregiving in America and explores mothering as a
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means of social change. So please welcome Angela Gobbisco people.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Thank you, Thank you Trevor for having me.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Are you kidding me? Thank you for writing one of
the most fascinating books on a topic that I love
delving into because I feel like it is the roots
of everything, and that is mothering.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yes, and I'm glad that you see that we share
vibe people write.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
But let's start with with the you know, the title
of the book, Essential Labor. You wrote this book, you know,
based on an article that got a claim from everyone.
I mean mother's all over the country read it. Some
people around the world read it. Even people like Melinda
Gates and Elizabeth Warren chimed in and said, yeah, this
is this is spot on. What do you think people
have been missing about mothering for so long?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Sure, I mean I wrote this book, you know, part
of it came out of the grief and loss that
I felt at the start of the pandemic as a writer,
I had sort of nebulous deadlines and I didn't get
a regular paycheck or health insurance. But my husban and
job gave us that, so I basically stopped writing. And
because childcare centers closed, I was taking care of my kids,
and I knew that that was the most important work
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I could be doing, but it also I felt like
I wasn't getting any recognition for it. We were hearing
about essential workers, healthcare workers, sanitation workers, who are yes, essential,
but we were never hearing about parents who were working
twenty four to seven, trying to take care of their families,
trying to keep communities safe. And that's really where like
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this is like what I know you understand is that
domestic work, mothering. We do it to ourselves every day,
feeding ourselves, taking a shower without care. Work and domestic labor,
you know, this is the work that makes all other
work possible. The idea that domestic labor is somehow less
valuable than quote unquote professional work, I just think it's
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a myth.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
You know what, what you tap into in this book
is so powerful because it even goes to let's say,
somebody is like a rampant capital listening now, they go
like the country needs to make money. We got to
get people out there, we got to get and yet
they don't want the policies that support mothers in doing that.
So you see mothers, you know, you talk about in
the book where they have to choose do am I
going to be a mom? Or am I going to
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find somebody to be a mom to my child who
I can't afford them?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
This is so many you know, we talk about this
care crisis that was exposed in the pandemic. Right when
childcare centers and schools closed down, we were lost. People
didn't know what to do. But many of us have
always known that, you know, until your child is age
six in America, you're really on your own. And there
are many people who are choosing between should I put
my child in daycare or should I work? Because it's
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really about the same amount of money, right right, But
so studies have been done. So ox FAM has a
study that if women in America were paid minimum wage
for the amount of domestic labor that they do unpaid
right now, it would be worth one point nine trillion
dollars per year.
Speaker 10 (15:52):
Wow, So that's talk.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
About putting you know, a value on that, like that
is part of our economy and that's a thing that
we just have not reckoned with in this country. Our country,
American capitalism relies just as much on the labor that
happens in the home as any other labor that happens
in the office or on a job site.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
And other countries have done that in many ways. You know,
you see countries like Sweden, countries like Switzerland, et cetera.
They've got different methods of doing it, but they will
say this is so valuable to the country, Yes, that
we will pay a mother, will make sure that the
government is supporting a mother, because you know, you talk
about this in the book, and it's really fascinating to
get into. Is like everything that we struggle with in society,
whether it's crime, you know, whether it's poverty, whether it's
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mental issues, etc. You can link so many of those
things absolutely to mothering.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yes, when you invest so I believe that raising children.
You know, it's a choice that people make to have
kids or to not have kids, and I think we
should all Unfortunately, this is not guaranteed in our country. Right,
we should all be allowed to make that choice for ourselves, right,
But whether or not you have children, you know, raising
kids is a social responsibility. And when we invest like
no one gets to adulthood without someone taking care of them,
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and that's their parents. It's also beloved aunties, it's a
preschool teacher, it's a teacher. Right, There's so many people
who are part of that. And when we invest in
children and families and mothers, it's investing in public health.
It's investing in the very future and health of our society.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
When is my mom going to be on the show? Never?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Here's the thing with my mom.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Two things. One, she has no interest in television or
any of these things that I do. She just loves
the fact that I can pay the rent, and she
loves me for who I am. She genuinely does not
care for.
Speaker 11 (17:39):
All of these things.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
And I'll give you an example. This is how, this
is how not interested in it. My mom is, right,
my mom. Two and a half years ago, I met
Lionel Richie for the first time, and growing up, Lionel
Richie was the soundtrack to me and my mom's lives. Right,
So like Sunday Morning, she'd be playing Sunday Morning, the
two of us will be there, We'll be dancing together,
play all of Lionel Richie's song would be sick them
in the house together. And then I meet Lionel Richie.
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So I'm like, this is amazing.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Lionel Richie.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
My mom and I used to dance to your music
when I was a kids. Can I take a picture?
I'm gonna send it to my mom. I don't mo.
Mom doesn't care about any celebrity, so I'm like, this
is the one time Mom's gonna be like, wow, you
met Lionel Richie. So I took the picture and I
sent it to my mom and then emailed it. So
I was like, Mom, look, huh what do you think?
And then she replied She's like, wow, you're getting fat.
I was like, okay, but uh, okay, let's move over that.
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First of all, the camera adds twenty pounds m but
let's talk about the other person in the picture, Linel Richie.
And then she was like, oh, yes, oh that's nice.
And I was like, oh okay, oh wow, okay, that
was the thing she like, she just genuinely. And then
like four or five days ago, I guess she was
on the internet, which she doesn't regularly do. She goes
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emails and then she's done, and she was on the
internet and then my brother like was going through the
pictures of me or something, and then she was.
Speaker 9 (18:53):
Like, hey, I saw a picture of you and Linel Richie.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
When did that happen.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I was like, it happened when I sent you the
picture two and a half years ago. And then she
was like which picture. She's like, oh, the picture where
you are fat. Then I'm like ah. Earlier today I
spoke with Congresswoman Lucy McBeth of Georgia. We talked about
her state's importance in this election and how losing her
son to gun violence motivated her to become the lawmaker
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that she is today. Congresswoman macbeth, Welcome to the Daily
Social Distancing Show.
Speaker 12 (19:27):
Well, thank you, Trevor. I'm so excited to be with you,
and I have to be honest with you. My youngest
sister is your biggest fan, and my family has always said,
you know, where are you going to be on a show.
Once you're on a show, You've really made it so
wow for validating me.
Speaker 13 (19:42):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I like how they've got shifted priorities because in my world,
becoming a congresswoman and living the life that you have
lived and how you got that. Many people know of
your story, but for those who don't, you started your
story from a place that I feel many people should
start in polic and that is a personal place. You
were a flight attendant for most of your life. You
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lost your son to gun violence, and you didn't just
mourn his passing. You decided to step up and do
something about it. And so you ran to change not
just his world, but the world and how America sees guns.
So in my world, you have made it, and we're
going to talk about all of that today. So thank
you so much for joining us on the show. Let's
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start first talking about Georgia, because that's what's really in
the news right now. Georgia has become what many people
thought it would never a battleground states. When you look
at what has happened in Georgia, do you think that
this is Georgia changing or do you think that this
is Georgia responding to Donald Trump.
Speaker 12 (20:43):
Georgia is changing, Trevor, As I've been saying for years now,
that this is the new South, and I think the
resistance that we've seen is just that the resistance to
the new South and just the amazing movement building that's
been done, the strategizing that's been done, a grassroots organizing
that's been done. I knew we were going to be
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a top tier battleground state, and so I'd been telling
people all along, please invest in Georgia. You know, the
best is yet to come. And we've shown that. You know,
we made President Trump a one term president, and we've
actually been able to be a deciding state for you know,
President elect Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. So, yes, the
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South is changing and I'm glad that this Peach State
has the ability to be on the front lines of that.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Reading your memoir, I mean it's inspiring and it's heartbreaking
at the same time, because you read this tale of
a woman who goes through the gripping experience of losing
her son. Your son was shot by a man who
felt like his friend was playing the music too loud
in the car. That was it, and then try to
use stand your ground laws to defend what he had
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done in taking his life. You then use this and
that's become part of the title of your book is
standing Our Ground? What do you think it is about
the coalition of mothers that you for around the country
that has moved the idea of gun advocacy forward.
Speaker 12 (22:05):
Well as mothers. As women, we're the central focus of
our homes. Oftentimes we're the protectors, we're often providers, and
we want to make sure that when we send our
family out the door, when we send our children out
the door, that they come home safely. We do everything
that we can, and so building this grassroots coalition of
mothers and also survivors is really indicative of what we
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need to do, what we'll have to do to make
sure that we are providing safe spaces for our children
and our families in our own communities. And that's what
we've been doing. And you know, over ninety percent of
the Americans across the country believe in you know, gun
safety legislation, common sense legislation that really will provide safety
nets for our families and also making sure that all
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law abiding gun owners are using their guns in a
way that is providing a safety net as well when
they're using those guns.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
A lot of people in your position would have become
a single issue candidates, A lot of people in your
position would have gone all I'm here to talk about
is guns. But you're actually looking to improve healthcare, to
improve gun reform, to improve veterans healthcare, you know, and
then the support that veterans get. And you've rarely been
fighting for a lot of these issues, which surprisingly as
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a Democrat, you've gotten signed by Donald Trump not once,
not twice, but three times. So the magic question then
is how have you managed to work laws or create
ideas that have gotten a sign off from Republicans who
have shown the ability to block so many different ideas.
Speaker 12 (23:45):
I've always reached across the aisle to find some common
ground with my Republican colleagues that we could work upon,
because when we don't work together, and we end up
in the mess that we've been in it in, you know,
for so long now, because we've not been working together
for the sake of our constituents that are really depending
on aess in Washington every single day to create value
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for them. Our constituents all have the same needs and wants,
and let's work together to provide the best of what
America says they deserve.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Representative Jim Kleiburn said something interesting, and this was after
the results started coming in and it was apparent that
Joe Biden had won, but down ballot Democrats seem to
have taken a beating, and he said, there is no
denying that defund the police and abolish the police and
socialism hurt the Democrats message. As somebody who is elected
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in a state that is really moderate and very close,
how do you communicate some of these ideas. Is there
a different way that you communicate progressive ideas without isolating
Republican or moderate voters.
Speaker 12 (24:54):
I mean, I wish, of course we'd been able to
pick up more seats for the House, but you know,
we have to find what work within your own community.
That's what I have said to my colleagues all the time,
is that what I say or what I represent to
my community might be completely different from another community, another
from another one of my colleagues. I would love love
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for us to be able to hold on to some
of the states. Some of my colleagues that came in
with me in my freshman colleagues, I was very pained
by the fact that, you know, they won't be returning
with us. But there again, I think that each of
us has been able to just really speak very candidly
to our own constituents, all of our demographics are different,
but as I said, you know, there are a lot
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of different voices in this caucus, and that that's what
makes us so unique.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I'll be honest, I think that's one of the things
that makes you unique is that not only are you
a symbol of that, but you articulated so well to
everybody who takes the time to listen. Thank you so
much for sharing your story in the book. Thank you
so much by for coming on the show. And thank
you to your family who think that I am the
thing that means you've made it. I don't agree, but
I appreciate them. So thank you so much to your
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younger sister, because between me and her, she's right. She's
not right, but between me and her, she's very right.
So thank you very much.
Speaker 12 (26:06):
Well, thank you, Vin. I just want to say this,
thank you so much for having such a deep conversation
with me because it reminds me of all the conversations
she used to have at the kitchen table with Jordan.
So thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Thank you very much. Thank you. That means the world
for me.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Myself.
Speaker 9 (26:22):
I'm john like hosting the Daily Show and that's your phone.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Mom.
Speaker 9 (26:28):
You have to wake up now, Okay, and I have
a very special guest that she just blew it because
her phone went off. But my mom is here with us,
and uh, I want to ask you a couple of questions.
I want to show the people at home what it's
like when we're at home. I mean, we don't live
in the same place anymore. Thank God for you, because
I will tell the audience how big a pain in
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that g I was. It's your chance to get off
your chest now up at dinner next week or the
week after a Christmas or thanks like you have a
whole fan me around your witnesses.
Speaker 11 (27:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (27:03):
Well, since you were.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
Tiny, tiny, a toddler, it was a little demon running everywhere,
had so much energy it was it was almost impossible too, but.
Speaker 9 (27:19):
I kept you then you did. Yeah, because hyperchild is
a good thing. People don't realize we bring a lot
of benefits of parents. So, maam, you saw the Daily
Show last night? What did you think? What? What's your review?
Your critique?
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (27:33):
I think you always got notes.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
I think yes, I think that you look great and
you were funny, and that I also loved very much
when you talked to Anna.
Speaker 9 (27:46):
Oh yeah, Anna's a bomb.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
It was amazing and you my friend, and all my
friends said, oh, fantastic or beautiful, he's great, Oh my god,
my god, it was was not.
Speaker 9 (28:02):
You have some criticisms though, Did I miss up something
that I miss for you?
Speaker 2 (28:05):
No?
Speaker 7 (28:06):
I did not have criticisms because I was happy see you.
Speaker 9 (28:11):
Like when you come to my Broadway shows.
Speaker 13 (28:13):
You always have notes, Yes, but because they are longer.
I mean, you know, it's so two hours.
Speaker 9 (28:20):
And what did I tell you about notes?
Speaker 13 (28:23):
Sometimes you take them.
Speaker 7 (28:24):
Sometimes you say, please don't tell me.
Speaker 9 (28:29):
That's mostly it's mostly please don't tell me. Yes, yes,
you're not a director, Yes you don't. You're not part
of the DGEs, not inequity.
Speaker 13 (28:36):
Yes, you tell me all those things.
Speaker 9 (28:38):
Yeah, you know I keep them. Yes, that's the best way.
I love that. It tells the story like a good
funny story growing up, telling the story about when you
were dating that Egyptian guy.
Speaker 13 (28:50):
Oh my god, parents.
Speaker 9 (28:52):
Got divorced and then my mom, you know, it's a
single mom.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
So I went to a luncheon of bunkers and I
meet this guy that is supposedly because the.
Speaker 9 (29:03):
Friend tak ninety seconds. Okay, this guy was There was
too much backstory.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
Just let's get to that I met this guy that
was Egyptian and my friend told me he's very rich.
The guy came up up to me and said, oh,
you are very nice. I could you'd like to have
dinner with you? Would you like to have dinner with me?
Speaker 9 (29:25):
You got to get to the that's the pre amble
even to the story, and before you started dating.
Speaker 7 (29:32):
Okay, okay, So I said, need his biography.
Speaker 13 (29:35):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
He asked me for dinner, and I said all right,
and he says, I said, he said when he's good.
Speaker 13 (29:42):
I said, Saturday night.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
So I was living in Queens and so he said,
I'll pick you up at seventy. So it happens that
he probably came seven that night.
Speaker 9 (29:54):
This is the Tollstoy version of it, right, this is
gonna be the warm piece Crime and Punishment version.
Speaker 13 (30:00):
So it happens that he comes before.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
And so I mean the bathroom and I'm taking a shower.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
When my guy, you're gonna come to the whole shower.
Come on, so tell me the house.
Speaker 13 (30:12):
Let's get yeah, okay, the guy.
Speaker 7 (30:14):
The guy comes to the house, brings the bell. Jance
opens and I had told the guy please wait for
me at the car. Just let me know that you
are there, and go and wait for.
Speaker 13 (30:26):
Me at the car. But the car guy comes.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
And John opens and Jane says. The guy says to Jan,
he didn't know that I have two children.
Speaker 13 (30:37):
I didn't tell him, so they left that out. I
left that out.
Speaker 9 (30:42):
You know, you got nobody wants to date somebody with
children with two.
Speaker 7 (30:47):
Boys that were the little dangerous. So Jan Jane says
to him instead of saying, yeah, she will come out
in ten minutes or whatever, he's please come in.
Speaker 13 (31:01):
He invites him in.
Speaker 9 (31:02):
Well, you told us not to go leave our rooms. Yeah,
and not to talk to the man sign out to
talk to the man my mom to try to wreck
the date.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
Yes, So, so what happened since they they invite him in?
Speaker 13 (31:17):
He comes in and he.
Speaker 9 (31:19):
Told yes, he told me, he said, your son after
he found out that you were my sons.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
He said, each one sat on each side, and he said,
when I started talking, I think your older son started
and said it to me with my same accents, and
then your other son was laughing, you know, laughing, here's
my stooge.
Speaker 13 (31:44):
Yeah, and so there he says, I was at the beginning.
I said, is he if he's marking me or or
it's my you know, but so he he said.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
I kept talking to them, and Jane kept answering to me,
I mean your sorry, kept answering to me with my accent.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
You know what.
Speaker 13 (32:05):
The guy took me to the dinner. He sent me.
He didn't come back to Queens.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
He sent me with the driver and I never heard
of him anymore.
Speaker 9 (32:14):
Well, good, we got better him. That was a test.
That was the story. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen for
joining us. Next week we'll go into another very long,
in depth story brought to you by the Lezamas. You
still hold that hope that someday when I get a
real job.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
Well, I wasn't when I saw your first when you
invited me to that school that you were no, no, no,
when you were already taking this drama lessons.
Speaker 9 (32:45):
Sylvia was really showcased.
Speaker 13 (32:48):
Yeah, that was in school, acting school, the acting in school.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
When you know, before that I saw, I thought, maybe
you know, he's going to be at this for a
couple of months and then he was going to do
something else. But when I when I saw that show,
I said, oh my god, he is going to be
an actor.
Speaker 13 (33:07):
He was ten minutes it.
Speaker 9 (33:09):
Was I got it like that, I got it. I
was always it was.
Speaker 7 (33:14):
Amazing and I said, oh my, I said, be an actor.
Speaker 13 (33:19):
So I said.
Speaker 9 (33:19):
To me, I need to help the conversation. I need
to help do there's a Christmas parties and thanks. We
all talk at the same cross conversations and hear each other.
Speaker 13 (33:29):
Right before I.
Speaker 7 (33:31):
Got divorced, I got a a fair coat. And one
day I came home and he was with my fair coat, uh,
being like a.
Speaker 9 (33:42):
Pimp, like a pimp. I don't think this is for
mass concerns.
Speaker 13 (33:47):
I was laughing. Oh my god.
Speaker 7 (33:49):
I thought that it was so funny because he was
really acting like a pimp. He had had my fair coat.
Speaker 9 (33:57):
All right, thank you? You were moving on loose leg,
was wasama.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
How's my grandmother doing? Oh she's fantastic man, ninety one
years old and ten months. Yeah, she makes me count
the years and months as well. Now it's a new thing.
She's she's did she cook for me? No, she's too old.
Oh no, no, no, she she even says to me.
I was like, what do you do?
Speaker 8 (34:23):
Go?
Speaker 10 (34:23):
She's like, oh me, She's like, I just enjoy being
a life.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
And then all she does is she we're ready.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
All she does is she she chills at home like
she's got a like her squad of granny's and they
all just come and hang out and she it's like
it's like it's like a weird team of like superheroes
where they've all got their specialties. And then hers is
that her memory is bulletproof. So all her friends ask
her about things they've forgotten about in life. But I'm like, like,
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she's got a better memory than me and my mom everyone.
She can tell you what your thing happened, what month, everything.
And so her friends come over and they'll be and
they'll ask like random questions. They'll be like, no, my Lisa,
like where where did I meet my husband? And then
she'd be like, oh, you met it?
Speaker 13 (35:12):
And then she like tell.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Stories and why it's amazing to watch. Yeah, And so
all she does all day she just she loves writing.
That's what she does. And I asked her why and
she said, she says.
Speaker 10 (35:21):
To be ninety one and know how to still read
and write, Oh, I'm so blessed, But.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
That's what she does. Yeah, my grandmother says it's the best.
She says, you know what Trevor in life. There are
butterflies and there are flowers. The butterfly's job is to
fly around and come back and tell the flower what
it seemed. You are a butterfly. Your mother is a flower.
You and your grandmother, Oh yeah, she was great. She
was really fun. She still doesn't get what we were
doing because she doesn't watch have you said it? But then,
(35:53):
you know what's great is that she doesn't care. That's
what I love. So my grand just goes. He's Trevor.
That's why I like him. So I don't want her
love to be determined by what I do or don't
do in my work world.
Speaker 11 (36:03):
I had to be my grandmother for the Daily Show
and she like, does not know what I do, how
I do it, why I do it? People tell her
and she's just like when they say we saw your
grandson on the Daily Show, she thinks that means like somewhere,
like they saw me somewhere. And she'd be like, oh,
my friend saw you at Daily Show and I'm like
on the Daily Show.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
He was like, yeah, whatever, coolgle have you ever have
you ever watched The Daily Show? No? True?
Speaker 14 (36:29):
And you can mind and look shooting okayrd STV outside
it's just for fun.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
My grandsaid she doesn't watch my show because sometimes the
electricity cuts out, which is a very plausible excuse and
a nice way to let your grandson down.
Speaker 14 (36:56):
No, it's not letting my grandson down. We had no activity.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
No, I hear you Google this is I didn't expect
that answer to It's a good answer.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Go go.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
So I must make sure that you have a generator
so you can watch my.
Speaker 14 (37:12):
Show, and then you fit your generator.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Who fits the generator? Okay? So I must get someone
to fit the generator also, I think okay, and I looked,
I look you, and then I must also fix the cable. Okay.
I feel like I've been tricked into doing a lot
of things for you to watch my TV show. Go go.
Speaker 14 (37:40):
As Boget's place, I go in a banga.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
So I can't convince you to come and see that
I manage white people.
Speaker 14 (37:51):
No, I don't even wish. I only take you as
my cranson, and that is all.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I appreciate that. Thank you for having us go go,
and thank you for letting me bring these cameras, and
thank you for sharing these stories with my friends, and
thank you for being amazing You've throw so many friends.
I've brought too many friends called you guys must leave.
Now you guys will go bye bye.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
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searching The Daily Show wherever you get your podcasts. Watch
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and stream full episodes anytime on Paramount plus
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Paramount Podcasts
You're listening to Comedy Central.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Now, This Sunday is Mother's Day, the day when Americans
celebrate their moms with flowers and breakfast in bed, which,
by the way, I never really understood. Yeah, I don't
get why people like breakfast in bed. You know, it's
just so magical to lie here and eat in the place.
(00:24):
I've been farting for eight hours and then I'm gonna
go back to sleep in the place I ate. Look,
the point is it's a special day and for more
on that day, let's talk to our senior mom correspondent,
Daisi Lidick. Happy Mother's Day to you, Deasi, And let
me just say, I think it's one holiday that should
be every day.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Well that's kind of dom Trevor. You can't have Mother's
Day every day. I mean, the world would run out
of roses and gift cards for massages that don't include
the tip.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, I know, it was just the sentiment. You know,
it doesn't matter. This Mother's Day, Deasi, should be more
fun than the lost right because people have vaccinated. Places
are reopening, so you know, moms can actually go out
and have fun and feel safe.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean, honestly, It's a huge relief
because this past year has been especially hard for moms.
I mean, moms have taken on the biggest burden of
the pandemic. Really, between juggling career, childcare, homeschooling. The only
thing that's working harder than moms was our iPads. My
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kid is just as much Peppa Pig's son as my own.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I feel you, they're desime. I love that show. Actually,
I actually got a pet turtle during quarantine and I
have to feed it almost every day. And I mean,
it's not the same, but it's kind of the same, right.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
It's not the same.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It's not the same.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
It's not the same.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
It's not the same at all, Daisi. Moms have been
through a lot, and hopefully you're going to get some
amazing gifts from your kids.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, yeah, I can't wait for that coupon for free hugs.
I feel you have so many of those at this point,
I can buy around for everyone. You know, Trevor, do
you know what would be really the best gift that
America can get moms this Mother's Day?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I do, Daisy, America needs to give its moms universal
childcare and paid parental leave. I feel you girl.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
What No, I mean, yes, that would be great, But
the best gifts this Mother's Day would be to just
leave moms the fuck alone.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Wait, yeah, what are you saying moms want to spend
Mother's Day on vacation from their kids?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yes, or the kids can go on vacation, I don't care.
Someone else can run around him on the beach and
make sure he doesn't eat sand I will be at
home in my bathtub and for the first time in
a while, actually taking a bath in it instead of
just getting in fully dressed and crying.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Wow. I mean, I've got to say, it does seem
more doable. Universal childcare. Great.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Great, And and then this works out well because it
doesn't just have to be for Mother's Day. Can be
for Father's Day too.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Right, because dads deserve a vacation too, No dads.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
No, I mean moms can be alone on Father's Day too,
also a Memorial Day obviously, Independence Day, Labor Day, and
you know the month of December.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Whoa, well, daisi, Desi, you're not going to spend Christmas
Day with your family?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Okay, don't mom shame me, trevor Or, I'll take that
precious little turtle of years and shove it up your
manhole now, if you'll excuse me, I need to recharge
my co parent.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Oh okay, good luck with that, Daisi, and Happy Mother's Day.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Happy Mother's Day?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
What about it?
Speaker 5 (03:47):
I got tonight.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
He was the thirty ninth president of these United States.
His new book is called A Remarkable Mother. Please welcome
back to the show, President Jimmy Carter, Sir.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
I have called it, no right, I don't. It's very
nice to see you, sir, because you look great.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
The book is called A Remarkable Mother. I want to
thank you, uh, mister president.
Speaker 7 (04:19):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
I for Mother's Day, was going to get my mother
maybe a card, maybe some flowers. Uh, thank you for
making my gesture look incredibly pitiful.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
You've You've written an entire book in homage to your mom.
Speaker 8 (04:33):
That's lovely, absolutely, and I hope everybody in America will
about it for the Mother's Day.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Are so great.
Speaker 8 (04:37):
That's why I did it to help people like.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
You, you know, like you did it as an added
bonus gift for mothers.
Speaker 9 (04:43):
Exactly, yeah you should.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
You know, Jewish mothers basically will see this and go,
oh look. Jimmy Carter wrote a book for his mother.
How interesting You didn't write a book and didn't even
have time to call how interesting?
Speaker 4 (04:58):
What?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
What do you?
Speaker 9 (04:58):
What do you feel like?
Speaker 6 (04:59):
Is is the remarkas I think everybody feels to some
extent their mother is remarkable, Their parents are remarkable. What
in your mind, what sets her part?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Well?
Speaker 8 (05:07):
I really think my mother exemplifies the finest aspects of
what American motherhood shought be. She was innovative, she was spirited,
She was indomitable, She was very courageous. She would tackle
the most difficult problems in the totality of society and
try to change it. I lived on a farm, and
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I didn't have any white neighbors. My mother never acknowledged
the impact of racial segregation in the Deep South. She
was probably the only one in our county that didn't,
and so she continued this protection of black and poor
and deprived people all of her life. When she was
seventy years old, she was still she was in India
and the peace She was in Indian Peace Corps. Yeah,
(05:50):
and she was still dealing with poor people who were
black and deprived. She was in effect and untouchable. She
dealt with human fluids, which made her unacceptable in society.
So she did that all the way through, and she
implanted in me a decision not to let, you know,
public criticism deter me from what I thought was right.
(06:11):
In fact, when she was seventy years old, she wrote
in her dowry, and I quught it in the book
that if I had one wish for my children, it
was for them to do what they think is right,
what's adventurous and challenging and unpredictable and gratifying, and not
give a damn what anybody says about them. So that's
one of the things.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
I learned to find his arts. And she never let
you get a big head.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
No, she didn't. She made to stay humble.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
It was at a great anecdote about somebody asked her,
They said, are you proud of your son? And she
said which one?
Speaker 8 (06:40):
Yes, exactly that that was right after I walked down
Pennsylvania Avenue. I was so proud of myself. And so
when she the reporters asked her, aren't you proud of
your son? I thought, this is finally my mom was
going to say something good about me. And she said
which one? And she always thought Billy was the most
brillian a child, and the family.
Speaker 9 (07:02):
And I can't and she would remind you about that.
Speaker 8 (07:04):
Absolutely, and I can't dispute that. I think Billy was
probably the.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
Most brilliant and your sister as well, right.
Speaker 8 (07:10):
I had two sisters, yeah, all of them, and my
father died with pancreatic cancer. My mother died of cancer too.
But so that was I had a good, good, solid,
wonderful bring.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
As you watch as you watch the candidates now going through,
could you have become president in this media climate?
Speaker 8 (07:27):
No, I don't think so. In the first place, I
didn't have any money, and I was a very poor campaigner,
but the way I won was sneaky.
Speaker 9 (07:36):
Really probably the.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Other Candy, maybe you could have become president.
Speaker 8 (07:40):
I would have been a good president afterwards. But but
what happened was that I didn't have any money. We
never stayed in the motel. We never stayed in the hotel.
We couldn't afford it. But every Monday morning, I and
my wife and three sons and my mother would go
out on the campaign trail. Never campaign together. So mother
would go to different parts of the country from where
I was, and with her speaking ability and her exuberance
(08:02):
and to forth, she gathered enough votes to help put
me in the White House. So and this and this,
uh was a foregone conclusion. I had one hour and
New Hampshire and Florida before the other candidates woke up
to the fact that I had a remarkable mother.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
Oh really, So she gets credit for the presidency as well?
Speaker 8 (08:22):
Sure, because I won, I won by that much and
it hadn't If it hadn't been from my mother, I
wouldn't have been president.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
And I imagine she mentioned that to you as well.
Speaker 8 (08:29):
She should have a fail to you.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
Well, maybe see, maybe Baptist and Jewish are not that
different after all.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
If you're wondering why I'm in bed having cold eggs,
burnt bacon, and a pancake filled with jelly beans, then
you've never celebrated Mother's Day. It's that special day each
year when your husband gives you flowers he bought in
a panic at the gas station and a CARDI wrote
with his feet. So it looks like your dumbest kid
did it. But societies have been honoring mothers since ancient times,
including all the way back in ancient Egypt, where an
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annual festival honored the mother of all pharaohs. Isis no
not the one that you're thinking Isis was an Egyptian
goddess and style inspo for every white girl at Coachella.
The Greeks and Romans also had spring festivals celebrating the
Great Mother. The Greeks called her Rehea, who's usually depicted
with a mural crown seated in a chariot pulled by
(09:31):
two lions, which is badass and carbon neutral. We should
bring that back. But what we know to me Mother's
Day really traces back to eighteen fifty two and a
woman named Anne Reeves Jarvis. She started something called Mother's
Day work Clubs, where women in the community would help
needy families buy medicine, get clean water, and practice safe
sewage disposal, which is pretty intense as far as mom
(09:53):
groups go. The one I'm in mostly just swaps hand
me down Almo Onesie's for weed. After Anne she Reads
Jarvis died, her daughter Anna Jarvis, decided to honor her.
In nineteen oh eight, she organized the first official Mother's
Day celebration in Philadelphia with the help of department store
owner John Wannamaker, handing out hundreds of white carnations because
(10:13):
her mother loved them. Even though let's be honest, they're
kind of the basic bitch of flowers. And because the
day was so successful, Jarvis lobbied to have the holiday
honoring mothers added to the national calendar. She led a
letter writing campaign to newspapers, politicians, and the governors of
every state. Now this was before Twitter, so she couldn't
do that thing where you just tag a bunch of
(10:35):
important people and retweet yourself. It didn't work, by the way.
After years of pushing and fighting and writing, Jarvis's dream
was realized when President Woodrow Wilson finally made Mother's Day
a national holiday in nineteen fourteen. It was the best
thing to happen to mothers until the invention of white Zinfidel.
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But guess what Once Mother's Day became an official holiday,
Anna Jarvis I hated it. She thought her sincere holiday
had become a commercialized racket and called the florist and
greeting card manufacturers Charlatan's bandits, pirates, racketeers, kidnappers, and termites
that would undermine with their greed one of the finest,
noblest and truest movements and celebrations, which basically sounds like
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how William Shakespeare would give a one star Yelp review.
Jarvis hated the holidays so much that it soon became
her life's work. To undo her life's work, she went
door to door collecting petitions to take Mother's Day off
the calendar. She threatened people who use the phrase Mother's
Day with copyright infringement. She got in a fight with
Eleanor Roosevelt for using Mother's Day to raise money for charity,
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and one time, when a waitress told her to enjoy
her Mother's Day salad, Jarvis threw the salad on the ground.
It's true you can google it, although don't search for
mother Tassa's salad. Those are not the results you want.
I'm trying to get it off the dark web. Oh
you saw it, Yeah, thank you. But basically, Anna Jarvis
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brought Mother's Day into this world and ever since it
was an endless source of disappointment and frustration in her life,
which ironically is a pretty perfect metaphor for motherhood anyway,
that is why we celebrate Mother's Day. Now, if you
don't mind, I'm gonna try to enjoy this abomination of
a breakfast hm hm, licorice, jelly bean.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yah, Welcome back to the Day Show. My guest tonight
is best selling autha Angela Gobbis. She's here to talk
about her new book, Essential Labor, which reflects on the
state of caregiving in America and explores mothering as a
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means of social change. So please welcome Angela Gobbisco people.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Thank you, Thank you Trevor for having me.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Are you kidding me? Thank you for writing one of
the most fascinating books on a topic that I love
delving into because I feel like it is the roots
of everything, and that is mothering.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yes, and I'm glad that you see that we share
vibe people write.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
But let's start with with the you know, the title
of the book, Essential Labor. You wrote this book, you know,
based on an article that got a claim from everyone.
I mean mother's all over the country read it. Some
people around the world read it. Even people like Melinda
Gates and Elizabeth Warren chimed in and said, yeah, this
is this is spot on. What do you think people
have been missing about mothering for so long?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Sure, I mean I wrote this book, you know, part
of it came out of the grief and loss that
I felt at the start of the pandemic as a writer,
I had sort of nebulous deadlines and I didn't get
a regular paycheck or health insurance. But my husban and
job gave us that, so I basically stopped writing. And
because childcare centers closed, I was taking care of my kids,
and I knew that that was the most important work
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I could be doing, but it also I felt like
I wasn't getting any recognition for it. We were hearing
about essential workers, healthcare workers, sanitation workers, who are yes, essential,
but we were never hearing about parents who were working
twenty four to seven, trying to take care of their families,
trying to keep communities safe. And that's really where like
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this is like what I know you understand is that
domestic work, mothering. We do it to ourselves every day,
feeding ourselves, taking a shower without care. Work and domestic labor,
you know, this is the work that makes all other
work possible. The idea that domestic labor is somehow less
valuable than quote unquote professional work, I just think it's
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a myth.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
You know what, what you tap into in this book
is so powerful because it even goes to let's say,
somebody is like a rampant capital listening now, they go
like the country needs to make money. We got to
get people out there, we got to get and yet
they don't want the policies that support mothers in doing that.
So you see mothers, you know, you talk about in
the book where they have to choose do am I
going to be a mom? Or am I going to
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find somebody to be a mom to my child who
I can't afford them?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
This is so many you know, we talk about this
care crisis that was exposed in the pandemic. Right when
childcare centers and schools closed down, we were lost. People
didn't know what to do. But many of us have
always known that, you know, until your child is age
six in America, you're really on your own. And there
are many people who are choosing between should I put
my child in daycare or should I work? Because it's
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really about the same amount of money, right right, But
so studies have been done. So ox FAM has a
study that if women in America were paid minimum wage
for the amount of domestic labor that they do unpaid
right now, it would be worth one point nine trillion
dollars per year.
Speaker 10 (15:52):
Wow, So that's talk.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
About putting you know, a value on that, like that
is part of our economy and that's a thing that
we just have not reckoned with in this country. Our country,
American capitalism relies just as much on the labor that
happens in the home as any other labor that happens
in the office or on a job site.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
And other countries have done that in many ways. You know,
you see countries like Sweden, countries like Switzerland, et cetera.
They've got different methods of doing it, but they will
say this is so valuable to the country, Yes, that
we will pay a mother, will make sure that the
government is supporting a mother, because you know, you talk
about this in the book, and it's really fascinating to
get into. Is like everything that we struggle with in society,
whether it's crime, you know, whether it's poverty, whether it's
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mental issues, etc. You can link so many of those
things absolutely to mothering.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yes, when you invest so I believe that raising children.
You know, it's a choice that people make to have
kids or to not have kids, and I think we
should all Unfortunately, this is not guaranteed in our country. Right,
we should all be allowed to make that choice for ourselves, right,
But whether or not you have children, you know, raising
kids is a social responsibility. And when we invest like
no one gets to adulthood without someone taking care of them,
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and that's their parents. It's also beloved aunties, it's a
preschool teacher, it's a teacher. Right, There's so many people
who are part of that. And when we invest in
children and families and mothers, it's investing in public health.
It's investing in the very future and health of our society.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
When is my mom going to be on the show? Never?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Here's the thing with my mom.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Two things. One, she has no interest in television or
any of these things that I do. She just loves
the fact that I can pay the rent, and she
loves me for who I am. She genuinely does not
care for.
Speaker 11 (17:39):
All of these things.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
And I'll give you an example. This is how, this
is how not interested in it. My mom is, right,
my mom. Two and a half years ago, I met
Lionel Richie for the first time, and growing up, Lionel
Richie was the soundtrack to me and my mom's lives. Right,
So like Sunday Morning, she'd be playing Sunday Morning, the
two of us will be there, We'll be dancing together,
play all of Lionel Richie's song would be sick them
in the house together. And then I meet Lionel Richie.
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So I'm like, this is amazing.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Lionel Richie.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
My mom and I used to dance to your music
when I was a kids. Can I take a picture?
I'm gonna send it to my mom. I don't mo.
Mom doesn't care about any celebrity, so I'm like, this
is the one time Mom's gonna be like, wow, you
met Lionel Richie. So I took the picture and I
sent it to my mom and then emailed it. So
I was like, Mom, look, huh what do you think?
And then she replied She's like, wow, you're getting fat.
I was like, okay, but uh, okay, let's move over that.
(18:27):
First of all, the camera adds twenty pounds m but
let's talk about the other person in the picture, Linel Richie.
And then she was like, oh, yes, oh that's nice.
And I was like, oh okay, oh wow, okay, that
was the thing she like, she just genuinely. And then
like four or five days ago, I guess she was
on the internet, which she doesn't regularly do. She goes
(18:47):
emails and then she's done, and she was on the
internet and then my brother like was going through the
pictures of me or something, and then she was.
Speaker 9 (18:53):
Like, hey, I saw a picture of you and Linel Richie.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
When did that happen.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I was like, it happened when I sent you the
picture two and a half years ago. And then she
was like which picture. She's like, oh, the picture where
you are fat. Then I'm like ah. Earlier today I
spoke with Congresswoman Lucy McBeth of Georgia. We talked about
her state's importance in this election and how losing her
son to gun violence motivated her to become the lawmaker
(19:21):
that she is today. Congresswoman macbeth, Welcome to the Daily
Social Distancing Show.
Speaker 12 (19:27):
Well, thank you, Trevor. I'm so excited to be with you,
and I have to be honest with you. My youngest
sister is your biggest fan, and my family has always said,
you know, where are you going to be on a show.
Once you're on a show, You've really made it so
wow for validating me.
Speaker 13 (19:42):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I like how they've got shifted priorities because in my world,
becoming a congresswoman and living the life that you have
lived and how you got that. Many people know of
your story, but for those who don't, you started your
story from a place that I feel many people should
start in polic and that is a personal place. You
were a flight attendant for most of your life. You
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lost your son to gun violence, and you didn't just
mourn his passing. You decided to step up and do
something about it. And so you ran to change not
just his world, but the world and how America sees guns.
So in my world, you have made it, and we're
going to talk about all of that today. So thank
you so much for joining us on the show. Let's
(20:25):
start first talking about Georgia, because that's what's really in
the news right now. Georgia has become what many people
thought it would never a battleground states. When you look
at what has happened in Georgia, do you think that
this is Georgia changing or do you think that this
is Georgia responding to Donald Trump.
Speaker 12 (20:43):
Georgia is changing, Trevor, As I've been saying for years now,
that this is the new South, and I think the
resistance that we've seen is just that the resistance to
the new South and just the amazing movement building that's
been done, the strategizing that's been done, a grassroots organizing
that's been done. I knew we were going to be
(21:03):
a top tier battleground state, and so I'd been telling
people all along, please invest in Georgia. You know, the
best is yet to come. And we've shown that. You know,
we made President Trump a one term president, and we've
actually been able to be a deciding state for you know,
President elect Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. So, yes, the
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South is changing and I'm glad that this Peach State
has the ability to be on the front lines of that.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Reading your memoir, I mean it's inspiring and it's heartbreaking
at the same time, because you read this tale of
a woman who goes through the gripping experience of losing
her son. Your son was shot by a man who
felt like his friend was playing the music too loud
in the car. That was it, and then try to
use stand your ground laws to defend what he had
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done in taking his life. You then use this and
that's become part of the title of your book is
standing Our Ground? What do you think it is about
the coalition of mothers that you for around the country
that has moved the idea of gun advocacy forward.
Speaker 12 (22:05):
Well as mothers. As women, we're the central focus of
our homes. Oftentimes we're the protectors, we're often providers, and
we want to make sure that when we send our
family out the door, when we send our children out
the door, that they come home safely. We do everything
that we can, and so building this grassroots coalition of
mothers and also survivors is really indicative of what we
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need to do, what we'll have to do to make
sure that we are providing safe spaces for our children
and our families in our own communities. And that's what
we've been doing. And you know, over ninety percent of
the Americans across the country believe in you know, gun
safety legislation, common sense legislation that really will provide safety
nets for our families and also making sure that all
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law abiding gun owners are using their guns in a
way that is providing a safety net as well when
they're using those guns.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
A lot of people in your position would have become
a single issue candidates, A lot of people in your
position would have gone all I'm here to talk about
is guns. But you're actually looking to improve healthcare, to
improve gun reform, to improve veterans healthcare, you know, and
then the support that veterans get. And you've rarely been
fighting for a lot of these issues, which surprisingly as
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a Democrat, you've gotten signed by Donald Trump not once,
not twice, but three times. So the magic question then
is how have you managed to work laws or create
ideas that have gotten a sign off from Republicans who
have shown the ability to block so many different ideas.
Speaker 12 (23:45):
I've always reached across the aisle to find some common
ground with my Republican colleagues that we could work upon,
because when we don't work together, and we end up
in the mess that we've been in it in, you know,
for so long now, because we've not been working together
for the sake of our constituents that are really depending
on aess in Washington every single day to create value
(24:08):
for them. Our constituents all have the same needs and wants,
and let's work together to provide the best of what
America says they deserve.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Representative Jim Kleiburn said something interesting, and this was after
the results started coming in and it was apparent that
Joe Biden had won, but down ballot Democrats seem to
have taken a beating, and he said, there is no
denying that defund the police and abolish the police and
socialism hurt the Democrats message. As somebody who is elected
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in a state that is really moderate and very close,
how do you communicate some of these ideas. Is there
a different way that you communicate progressive ideas without isolating
Republican or moderate voters.
Speaker 12 (24:54):
I mean, I wish, of course we'd been able to
pick up more seats for the House, but you know,
we have to find what work within your own community.
That's what I have said to my colleagues all the time,
is that what I say or what I represent to
my community might be completely different from another community, another
from another one of my colleagues. I would love love
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for us to be able to hold on to some
of the states. Some of my colleagues that came in
with me in my freshman colleagues, I was very pained
by the fact that, you know, they won't be returning
with us. But there again, I think that each of
us has been able to just really speak very candidly
to our own constituents, all of our demographics are different,
but as I said, you know, there are a lot
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of different voices in this caucus, and that that's what
makes us so unique.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I'll be honest, I think that's one of the things
that makes you unique is that not only are you
a symbol of that, but you articulated so well to
everybody who takes the time to listen. Thank you so
much for sharing your story in the book. Thank you
so much by for coming on the show. And thank
you to your family who think that I am the
thing that means you've made it. I don't agree, but
I appreciate them. So thank you so much to your
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younger sister, because between me and her, she's right. She's
not right, but between me and her, she's very right.
So thank you very much.
Speaker 12 (26:06):
Well, thank you, Vin. I just want to say this,
thank you so much for having such a deep conversation
with me because it reminds me of all the conversations
she used to have at the kitchen table with Jordan.
So thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Thank you very much. Thank you. That means the world
for me.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Myself.
Speaker 9 (26:22):
I'm john like hosting the Daily Show and that's your phone.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Mom.
Speaker 9 (26:28):
You have to wake up now, Okay, and I have
a very special guest that she just blew it because
her phone went off. But my mom is here with us,
and uh, I want to ask you a couple of questions.
I want to show the people at home what it's
like when we're at home. I mean, we don't live
in the same place anymore. Thank God for you, because
I will tell the audience how big a pain in
(26:50):
that g I was. It's your chance to get off
your chest now up at dinner next week or the
week after a Christmas or thanks like you have a
whole fan me around your witnesses.
Speaker 11 (27:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (27:03):
Well, since you were.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
Tiny, tiny, a toddler, it was a little demon running everywhere,
had so much energy it was it was almost impossible too, but.
Speaker 9 (27:19):
I kept you then you did. Yeah, because hyperchild is
a good thing. People don't realize we bring a lot
of benefits of parents. So, maam, you saw the Daily
Show last night? What did you think? What? What's your review?
Your critique?
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (27:33):
I think you always got notes.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
I think yes, I think that you look great and
you were funny, and that I also loved very much
when you talked to Anna.
Speaker 9 (27:46):
Oh yeah, Anna's a bomb.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
It was amazing and you my friend, and all my
friends said, oh, fantastic or beautiful, he's great, Oh my god,
my god, it was was not.
Speaker 9 (28:02):
You have some criticisms though, Did I miss up something
that I miss for you?
Speaker 2 (28:05):
No?
Speaker 7 (28:06):
I did not have criticisms because I was happy see you.
Speaker 9 (28:11):
Like when you come to my Broadway shows.
Speaker 13 (28:13):
You always have notes, Yes, but because they are longer.
I mean, you know, it's so two hours.
Speaker 9 (28:20):
And what did I tell you about notes?
Speaker 13 (28:23):
Sometimes you take them.
Speaker 7 (28:24):
Sometimes you say, please don't tell me.
Speaker 9 (28:29):
That's mostly it's mostly please don't tell me. Yes, yes,
you're not a director, Yes you don't. You're not part
of the DGEs, not inequity.
Speaker 13 (28:36):
Yes, you tell me all those things.
Speaker 9 (28:38):
Yeah, you know I keep them. Yes, that's the best way.
I love that. It tells the story like a good
funny story growing up, telling the story about when you
were dating that Egyptian guy.
Speaker 13 (28:50):
Oh my god, parents.
Speaker 9 (28:52):
Got divorced and then my mom, you know, it's a
single mom.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
So I went to a luncheon of bunkers and I
meet this guy that is supposedly because the.
Speaker 9 (29:03):
Friend tak ninety seconds. Okay, this guy was There was
too much backstory.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
Just let's get to that I met this guy that
was Egyptian and my friend told me he's very rich.
The guy came up up to me and said, oh,
you are very nice. I could you'd like to have
dinner with you? Would you like to have dinner with me?
Speaker 9 (29:25):
You got to get to the that's the pre amble
even to the story, and before you started dating.
Speaker 7 (29:32):
Okay, okay, So I said, need his biography.
Speaker 13 (29:35):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
He asked me for dinner, and I said all right,
and he says, I said, he said when he's good.
Speaker 13 (29:42):
I said, Saturday night.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
So I was living in Queens and so he said,
I'll pick you up at seventy. So it happens that
he probably came seven that night.
Speaker 9 (29:54):
This is the Tollstoy version of it, right, this is
gonna be the warm piece Crime and Punishment version.
Speaker 13 (30:00):
So it happens that he comes before.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
And so I mean the bathroom and I'm taking a shower.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
When my guy, you're gonna come to the whole shower.
Come on, so tell me the house.
Speaker 13 (30:12):
Let's get yeah, okay, the guy.
Speaker 7 (30:14):
The guy comes to the house, brings the bell. Jance
opens and I had told the guy please wait for
me at the car. Just let me know that you
are there, and go and wait for.
Speaker 13 (30:26):
Me at the car. But the car guy comes.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
And John opens and Jane says. The guy says to Jan,
he didn't know that I have two children.
Speaker 13 (30:37):
I didn't tell him, so they left that out. I
left that out.
Speaker 9 (30:42):
You know, you got nobody wants to date somebody with
children with two.
Speaker 7 (30:47):
Boys that were the little dangerous. So Jan Jane says
to him instead of saying, yeah, she will come out
in ten minutes or whatever, he's please come in.
Speaker 13 (31:01):
He invites him in.
Speaker 9 (31:02):
Well, you told us not to go leave our rooms. Yeah,
and not to talk to the man sign out to
talk to the man my mom to try to wreck
the date.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
Yes, So, so what happened since they they invite him in?
Speaker 13 (31:17):
He comes in and he.
Speaker 9 (31:19):
Told yes, he told me, he said, your son after
he found out that you were my sons.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
He said, each one sat on each side, and he said,
when I started talking, I think your older son started
and said it to me with my same accents, and
then your other son was laughing, you know, laughing, here's
my stooge.
Speaker 13 (31:44):
Yeah, and so there he says, I was at the beginning.
I said, is he if he's marking me or or
it's my you know, but so he he said.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
I kept talking to them, and Jane kept answering to me,
I mean your sorry, kept answering to me with my accent.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
You know what.
Speaker 13 (32:05):
The guy took me to the dinner. He sent me.
He didn't come back to Queens.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
He sent me with the driver and I never heard
of him anymore.
Speaker 9 (32:14):
Well, good, we got better him. That was a test.
That was the story. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen for
joining us. Next week we'll go into another very long,
in depth story brought to you by the Lezamas. You
still hold that hope that someday when I get a
real job.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
Well, I wasn't when I saw your first when you
invited me to that school that you were no, no, no,
when you were already taking this drama lessons.
Speaker 9 (32:45):
Sylvia was really showcased.
Speaker 13 (32:48):
Yeah, that was in school, acting school, the acting in school.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
When you know, before that I saw, I thought, maybe
you know, he's going to be at this for a
couple of months and then he was going to do
something else. But when I when I saw that show,
I said, oh my god, he is going to be
an actor.
Speaker 13 (33:07):
He was ten minutes it.
Speaker 9 (33:09):
Was I got it like that, I got it. I
was always it was.
Speaker 7 (33:14):
Amazing and I said, oh my, I said, be an actor.
Speaker 13 (33:19):
So I said.
Speaker 9 (33:19):
To me, I need to help the conversation. I need
to help do there's a Christmas parties and thanks. We
all talk at the same cross conversations and hear each other.
Speaker 13 (33:29):
Right before I.
Speaker 7 (33:31):
Got divorced, I got a a fair coat. And one
day I came home and he was with my fair coat, uh,
being like a.
Speaker 9 (33:42):
Pimp, like a pimp. I don't think this is for
mass concerns.
Speaker 13 (33:47):
I was laughing. Oh my god.
Speaker 7 (33:49):
I thought that it was so funny because he was
really acting like a pimp. He had had my fair coat.
Speaker 9 (33:57):
All right, thank you? You were moving on loose leg,
was wasama.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
How's my grandmother doing? Oh she's fantastic man, ninety one
years old and ten months. Yeah, she makes me count
the years and months as well. Now it's a new thing.
She's she's did she cook for me? No, she's too old.
Oh no, no, no, she she even says to me.
I was like, what do you do?
Speaker 8 (34:23):
Go?
Speaker 10 (34:23):
She's like, oh me, She's like, I just enjoy being
a life.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
And then all she does is she we're ready.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
All she does is she she chills at home like
she's got a like her squad of granny's and they
all just come and hang out and she it's like
it's like it's like a weird team of like superheroes
where they've all got their specialties. And then hers is
that her memory is bulletproof. So all her friends ask
her about things they've forgotten about in life. But I'm like, like,
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she's got a better memory than me and my mom everyone.
She can tell you what your thing happened, what month, everything.
And so her friends come over and they'll be and
they'll ask like random questions. They'll be like, no, my Lisa,
like where where did I meet my husband? And then
she'd be like, oh, you met it?
Speaker 13 (35:12):
And then she like tell.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Stories and why it's amazing to watch. Yeah, And so
all she does all day she just she loves writing.
That's what she does. And I asked her why and
she said, she says.
Speaker 10 (35:21):
To be ninety one and know how to still read
and write, Oh, I'm so blessed, But.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
That's what she does. Yeah, my grandmother says it's the best.
She says, you know what Trevor in life. There are
butterflies and there are flowers. The butterfly's job is to
fly around and come back and tell the flower what
it seemed. You are a butterfly. Your mother is a flower.
You and your grandmother, Oh yeah, she was great. She
was really fun. She still doesn't get what we were
doing because she doesn't watch have you said it? But then,
(35:53):
you know what's great is that she doesn't care. That's
what I love. So my grand just goes. He's Trevor.
That's why I like him. So I don't want her
love to be determined by what I do or don't
do in my work world.
Speaker 11 (36:03):
I had to be my grandmother for the Daily Show
and she like, does not know what I do, how
I do it, why I do it? People tell her
and she's just like when they say we saw your
grandson on the Daily Show, she thinks that means like somewhere,
like they saw me somewhere. And she'd be like, oh,
my friend saw you at Daily Show and I'm like
on the Daily Show.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
He was like, yeah, whatever, coolgle have you ever have
you ever watched The Daily Show? No? True?
Speaker 14 (36:29):
And you can mind and look shooting okayrd STV outside
it's just for fun.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
My grandsaid she doesn't watch my show because sometimes the
electricity cuts out, which is a very plausible excuse and
a nice way to let your grandson down.
Speaker 14 (36:56):
No, it's not letting my grandson down. We had no activity.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
No, I hear you Google this is I didn't expect
that answer to It's a good answer.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Go go.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
So I must make sure that you have a generator
so you can watch my.
Speaker 14 (37:12):
Show, and then you fit your generator.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Who fits the generator? Okay? So I must get someone
to fit the generator also, I think okay, and I looked,
I look you, and then I must also fix the cable. Okay.
I feel like I've been tricked into doing a lot
of things for you to watch my TV show. Go go.
Speaker 14 (37:40):
As Boget's place, I go in a banga.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
So I can't convince you to come and see that
I manage white people.
Speaker 14 (37:51):
No, I don't even wish. I only take you as
my cranson, and that is all.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I appreciate that. Thank you for having us go go,
and thank you for letting me bring these cameras, and
thank you for sharing these stories with my friends, and
thank you for being amazing You've throw so many friends.
I've brought too many friends called you guys must leave.
Now you guys will go bye bye.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
Explore more shows from the Daily Show podcast universe by
searching The Daily Show wherever you get your podcasts. Watch
The Daily Show weeknights at eleven ten Central on Comedy Central,
and stream full episodes anytime on Paramount plus
Speaker 4 (38:39):
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