December 31, 2024 • 53 mins
Doug Beyer and Dan Beyer filling in as they discuss the Lions' win on Monday Night against the 49ers and the injury to quarterback Brock Purdy. The guys discuss the way the college football playoff has played out. Plus, Doug and Dan welcome former NFL team exec Andrew Brandt onto the show to discuss what the 49ers should do with Brock Purdy, the Sam Darnold situation in Minnesota and other topics involving the business of sports.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
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Speaker 3 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome in.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Hello, my dear friend Dan Bayer. Jason Stewart, the esteem
producer of The DG Show as well as Today's Dan
Patrick Show, joining us as well. And I won't be
the first, I won't be the last, but I can't
wish you happy New Year. New Year's Eve brings us
a reaction to last night's Monday night football game, which
was entertaining and of course we had a notable injury
(00:33):
to a very notable figure for the defending NFC champion
San Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
And it gives us.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Football today or tonight, as we have the first in
the second round quarterfinals of the College football Playoff. And
I think it's actually the perfect game, so we get
a lot to get to the first.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
This is this is always a good time in the
morning when you wake up to go, hey, let's let's
look back at last night's Monday night football game.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Gave us a little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Everything got a hook and ladder, which was not you know,
is a great trick play for a touchdown in the
first half, exciting ending, and then you have a brock
Party injury. Like, the biggest takeaway in your mind is
what from that game?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Well, it's actually brock Party's injury. But to your point
of the Lions, not only are the Lions saying, yeah,
we're gonna play our guys in what is a meaningless
game for us, what really matters is Week eighteen. Not
only are we gonna do that, We're gonna run a
trick play that I don't know if they've used other
times this season. I know they've done a bunch of
(01:36):
other stuff, but let's throw that one on tape from
Minnesota to worry about. They just don't let up, And
that's the crazy thing. They could have came out there
with a vanilla playbook, had Jamier Gibbs maybe play a quarter,
but no, they went full throttle the rest of the way.
Almost lost the game. But the biggest takeaway is the
brock Party injury, depending on the severity of it, which
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we don't know right now, because lost in all of
this is that, well, we thought that the Lions should
pack it in last night and not do anything. Maybe
it should have been brock Party. Maybe Brock Party should
have just set these final two games for San Francisco
just because of his contract situation and what could be
ahead for him in that regard.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah, so we don't know, and uh it if you
look online, right, but the fear obviously is in the
throwing elbow, right, which was or throw throwing potential throwing shoulder.
And when you have a guy who they don't have
to extend him at the end of this year, right
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he has, he's under contract for another year, they don't
have to. But when you think of what's out there,
Kirk Cousins out there, right, uh, and then you have
Sam Donald could be will be potentially out there. Cousins
obviously played for Kyle Shanahan in Washington and uh Sam
Darld started a couple of games last year replacing Brock
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Purty due to injury. Like this, this completely changes in
many ways the perception of what's going to happen this
upcoming off season for Party. I mean, look, I don't
think he bought all of those Toyota Tacoma TRD trucks,
but probably not, probably not. But if he did, like
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we're talking minimum fifty times, I think eight to ten
offensive linemen, and I don't know if he can't back
by the backup. So if it's ten, like you're going
to drop five hundred grand when you make less than
a million, there's that thought like he is expecting a payday.
He has been told there's a payday coming, and now
what do you do if you're John Lynch and you're like, yeah,
(03:39):
I can't do that, would do that?
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Yeah. What even complicates things now even more is if
this is significant, and again we don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Which today it's really really important because I don't want
anybody to think if you woke up, you just turned
on that we know it's a significant injury.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
We have no idea got him.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Yeah, no, that's all right. But I think that we
didn't question brock Perty's health considering he came back from
the injury and didn't miss a regular season game the
next year from it when he was hurt against the
Philadelphia Eagles a couple of years ago. So now the
whole debate about Purdy has been is Purty good enough?
Is it Purdy or is it all the weapons around him?
(04:19):
Riggy Piersaw last night had a great night. You know,
stat wise, the Niners couldn't get stops on defense, which
is probably their biggest problem. Perty did have some bad turnovers.
There is the knock on him of are you trying
to do too much? But ultimately, Doug, now all of
a sudden injury prone or significant injury with the elbow
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comes into the equation comes into the negotiation, and I
think that complicates things even more because if it is significant,
now it's your second significant elbow injury early on in
your career, and who knows how that goes down the line.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, we have no idea.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
You know, it could be a nerve in there which
makes it feel like it's worse than it is. But
you're right once you start to say like one injury,
like okay, it's just an injury, when it's the second one, now,
well it's chronic. And the crazy part was the first
three drives. He had three drives in a row where
he was nine of nine, one hundred and thirty one yards.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I saw it. I mean he was killing it.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
I mean really, Now, I know Detroit's defense wasn't great
to begin with, and now being depleted by some injuries
is even worse. But the interesting part is how brock
Purty had had a very average year because of all
of the in many ways, all of the injuries of
the guys surrounding him. And look, I don't think he's
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nearly at the level of those elite quarterbacks, and I
don't think he should be compensated as such. But again,
I don't evaluate quarterbacks for living. I'm not Kyle Shanahan,
I'm not John Lynch. To their team, they know it
better than we do. And last night was one of
the first nights all year when she looking, You're like,
whoa while, brock Purty looking looks a little different, little
better tonight than he has previously. And then he goes
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and gets hurt and again, might be something minor, might
be just a nerve inflammation which makes you arm feel
like it's on fire, and structurally it's fine, but you're
you're totally right, Dan. Anybody who has a brain sits
there and goes like, wait, wait, he had a major
surgery on it previously, and now he has to leave
a game, a close game because it feeling like it's
(06:21):
on fire, Like what else can go wrong? And oh
yet it's not like it's not an arm he's not
going to use it was his left arm, like, all right, well,
you know it's gonna be painful, but he doesn't need
that one. It's the one elbow, you know, one of
the two elbows that he actually needs.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Yeah, it completely messes up the equation. They didn't have
a running game last night. They were willing to get
into a shootout with the Detroit Lions. And we've looked
at the forty nine ers over the last couple of years,
whether it be Christian McCaffrey, whether it be Jordan Mason
when he was feeling in earlier of the season, or
Elijah Mitchell other times, and even before that where he mostered,
it's been running, running, running, and last night that wasn't
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the case. They aired it out. Party had three hundred
and seventy seven yards. All those who are anti Party
and don't pay Party will just point to the two
interceptions because they didn't look good air mailing one in
the middle of the field. You could always point to
that stuff. But as he said, he started out nine
to nine through for almost four hundred yards in the
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game that had what ten touchdowns and no punts. I think,
like it's crazy. I mean, he put on a show
last night, but then there's still questions, and now the
injury stuff complicates things.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
And then the big question is what Dan Campbell did
playing all his starters. Here's Campbell, head coach of the
still first place Detroit Lions, when he was asked if
he considered resting his starters for last night's game.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, it was on my mind, you know.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
I mean I thought a lot about it, you know,
I thought about it leading up to the game. I
thought about it last night. I told the staff. But
I ended up settling on the right thing to do
was play these guys, and and because we owed it
to the team, you know, and and it was just
one of those those positions we were in. It's just
hard to say who you're going to sit, and and
(08:12):
it's not fair to ask guys to play that haven't
been prepared to play. You know.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Those answers make no sense, by the way. I do
understand the hey, you can't, you can't sit everybody, but
the how could you not be? You had an extra
data prep. You knew this was a possibility, right, you
knew it was a possibility. I don't understand that answer. Yeah,
(08:39):
I guess what he's saying is, look, had Minnesota lost,
but had Minnesota lost, they you know, and they won
be in the same situation, still have to win the
game on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
I also don't want to sound callous, but isn't that
what backups are for? I mean, like, there's.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Don't we always don't you always tell your guys you
stay ready?
Speaker 4 (09:00):
They ready?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
They ready?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
He's not really ready. It's not fair to him. What
is he talking about? Look, I like Dan Campbell, I
can just tell you this all gas and no breaks thing.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
It sounds really, really good.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I can tell you from personal experience, it is an
atrocious idea. I don't care what you do if you
lose your start. Your starters are your starters for a reason.
What are you doing? You did not have to play
last night's game to win. And like, I'm a crazy
competitive person. My team is in a is in a
(09:35):
losing streak. We've had a gigantic injury on our team, okay,
and it's one of those like we're in that phase
to where like, if it can go wrong, it goes wrong.
That's just kind of where it goes and you got
to turn around and fix it. Okay, but everyone knows
that your likelihood of success is made even greater in
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the playoffs when you have healthy players. Nothing matters. Unless
you have healthy players, it's so hard to do with backups.
And there's what was the win in winning last night,
especially now that you got a short week of prep
to go play the Minnesota Vikings. How does that make
any sense? And his need to go for it right
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like it's gotten a beaten this year. Heck, last year
there was the decisions on win to go for it,
not to go for it against the Niners in the
NFC Championship game, which in the first half he didn't.
In the second half he did, and it backfired on
him and they gave away a lead. And I'm not
saying he's not a tremendous coach, but that particular decision
and his defense of the decision really didn't make any sense.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
I'll tell you what also doesn't make sense. This is
Jared Goff after the win last night.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
I think that's the only way we know, you know,
it's just go and find a way to win. And
you know the team we were playing, you know, in
San Francisco, like this is what ended our season last year,
And there was a lot of guys on this team
that were there last year that you know, wanted to
get one back on them, even though you know, in
a lot of ways it was meaningless for them and
meaningless for us. But they were prideful out there too.
They were trying to you know, beat us as well,
(11:08):
and it was a fun game.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, So I get it. It's like, we just we
lost the Niners last year in the playoffs. We want
to put the steak in. They're already not in the playoffs.
They're already not in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
The part that I don't get is how in the
world could that be payback Like last year was for
a trip to the Super Bowl. This year meant nothing
to either side. It's actually one of the glaring things
about Nick Sirianni. For all of the things that we
will point out and the dumb stuff that the Eagles
head coach does, there may have been nothing worse than
(11:39):
taunting Chiefs fans after beating them in Kansas City when
the Chiefs beat them in the Super Bowl the prior year. Like,
it wasn't it wasn't payback, It wasn't revenge. I don't
know how you could get revenge from losing a Super Bowl,
except if you played them in the Super Bowl the
next year. This didn't even less impact than that Chiefs
Eagles get Doug there was. It meant nothing to neither
(12:03):
to both sides and to sit there and say like
they're prideful, like that's garbage. Nobody last night thought yeah, revenge,
none at all.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
There wasn't even there wasn't a single Lions fan. And
you and I work with Christophett who's the Lions. Not
a single Lions fan on the on the planet, on
the planet, who's like hey, or even for last year, huh?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
You like that, buddy? You like that?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Like even like not one, No, nobody, nobody thinks that.
And and you know, I love the idea of trying
to win every day, trying to win every game.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
That were competitive people, You can.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
The backups can compete as well, because you know what
you're playing for something more important than a Monday night
football game in week seventeen of an NFL season. You're
playing for a super Bowl, to win a super Bowl
with the Detroit Lions. That's the only thing that matters
is the super Bowl with the Detroit Lions. And and
and nothing that was done last It was a fun game,
(13:01):
don't get me wrong, Like we've had a lot of
like drudgery here end of the season with some of
these games. Guys in the limpited the fun game forty
thirty four points score trick plays awesome, But I mean
for a team that's already been depleted, already lost, you know,
lost a running back, lost, the middle linebacker, lost, some
ancillary pieces like what are you doing? What what are
(13:24):
you possibly doing? Hey, payback? Some of these guys want
to pay back. We want to pay back.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
It's not payback, not payback.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Uh, Jay stew you you you want to propose a bit?
Is that what you want to do?
Speaker 7 (13:39):
Happy New Year's Eve, a gentleman I put together.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Isn't it a Happy New Year's Eve? Day?
Speaker 7 (13:45):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah, I'm just saying it's a weird sentence. But new
Year's Eve, I mean, I guess, I guess it can
be used. It depends on the use of the word eve.
Eve can be day before, but it's really night before,
is it not.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
Yeah? No, I'll definitely I think right on that one.
Speaker 8 (14:01):
I put together a gift for listeners as we look
back on twenty twenty four. I wanted to play my
personal favorite soundbites from the year and by all means
Doug Dan listeners, if you have any contribution, let us know.
But I want to play at the end of each
segment today, just something that was memorable, something that's stuck
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out from twenty twenty four in sports, And I want
to start with somebody that Doug actually either attended high
school with or went to the same high school as test.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And high school and go to ten high school with.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
He was a freshman, I was a senior.
Speaker 8 (14:39):
Deshaun Foster gets the job at UCLA and he shows
up at Big Ten media days and he just wows
the world with charisma.
Speaker 9 (14:49):
UCLA and a Big Ten where a school that's won
what one hundred and twenty three championship. So this fits
as being right in this conference football wise, which is excited.
Speaker 10 (15:04):
You know.
Speaker 9 (15:05):
I'm sure you guys don't know too much about UCLA
but our football program, but we're in LA. It's us
in usc.
Speaker 10 (15:21):
We uh.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
The crazy part was for people who don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
We actually had Deshaun on the Doug Gottlieb Show like
a half hour after that happened, and he was like, yeah,
well what happened was I didn't know if us was
to make a statement or answer the question. He was
great about it, but yeah, that was that that wasn't great.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
Well they turned it into it. I want to say,
he turned it in the thing?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, like we're in la Yeah yeah.
Speaker 8 (16:04):
Oh by the way, I have veto put this together
so I can'tnot play what I was supposed to do
right before we played the Shaun Foster. Yeah, is this
is the intro for the for the bit today they said.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
What they said?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
What?
Speaker 8 (16:22):
So you'll be hearing more sound throughout the show listeners.
I hope you enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Well, that's a really good veto, did a really good job.
What what did you choke? Did you get too excited
about playing the sound? What happened?
Speaker 7 (16:33):
Oh? You know, I'm I'm not a host by trade.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
No you are. You're the FM morning morning radio host.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
We we've we've we've established that that you love to
do the well not let don't call it a throwback,
because you really want to do what was hot on
the Billboard top charts in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Right, that's we've established that.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Don't don't don't duck and dodge that thing. You got
too excited because the clip is way too funny. Everybody
does it. That clip is too funny. You can't hear
it one more time. I got to hear that again.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
We're we're in l A with USC.
Speaker 7 (17:13):
Wait a minute, they said, what.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Oh so good, so good.
Speaker 9 (17:24):
We're a school that's won what one hundred and twenty
three championships? So this fits us being right in this
conference football wise, which is excited. You know, I'm sure
you guys don't know too much about UCLA but our
football program.
Speaker 10 (17:40):
But we're in LA.
Speaker 9 (17:47):
It's us in USC.
Speaker 11 (17:52):
We RelA, it's us in USC.
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Speaker 3 (19:24):
We have Round two of the college football playoffs getting
underway tonight again time same same idea as last time
around one game today and then three tomorrow. I think
this is the perfect bowl game, Fiesta Bowl Game. Now, look,
full disclosure, it's ridiculous that boyse you gotta buy. Equally
(19:49):
ridiculous that Arizona State wins the Big Twelve and they're
not playing in Glendale. And as much a you can say, well,
that would be a that would be an unfair our
home field advantage is like, okay, so neither Arizona State
nor Boise State deserved to be a top four seed.
But if they're going to be a top four seed
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and the difference is all that slight, shouldn't you want
to sell tickets?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
And if you sold tickets?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
And I just saw online that tickets for Arizona State's
game in but in Georgia are going for pennies on
the dollar. So congratulations on screwing something up that was
pretty easy right there in front of you. But regardless
of it, Dan, can I make the pitch to you
of why I think.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
This is the perfect game?
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Yeah, I'd love to hear it.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Okay, So basically for the last I don't know, twenty
five years or so, and obviously it got worse once
we got the College Football Playoff, the four team playoff,
but remember we'd always have these bowl games. We had
Hawaii taken on. Who'd they get pummeled by in this
Sugar Bowl? Is that Alabama?
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Georgia?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Georgia? And the Sugar blank was just bad? Right?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
But also you had Boise taked out Oklahoma in this
in the Fiesta Bowl, that was the hook and ladder play, right.
You had the Statue of Liberty. You had Chris Myers
going okay, and now you're gonna ask your girlfriend to
marry you, Like, dude, what are you doing anyway? Like
arguably one of the most famous subsets. And you'd always
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get from the side of the SEC, the side of
the Big twelve, the side of the Big Ten, like, hey,
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Come on, man, likes a bowl game.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
We get a swag bag, We had to ride roller
coasters and have big dinner, and freshmen get to a
more chance to work out, Like it's never really mattered
to us, right, And there was no real payoff other
than to say, hey, we won that bowl game, which
is sort of bragging rights. But like you know, the
SEC especially has had that, like we love what you know,
(21:49):
bowl games only matter when we win them. Well, now
the Big Ten who Let's just be honest, over the
last twenty five years outside of Ohio State been pathetic
in Bowl games that faired in Yeah, yeah, okay, right,
Big ten. Considering the historic nature and success of Big
ten programs generally, again I'm saying this is more generalization.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Generally, the Big Ten has been pathetic in Bolt.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
It's funny because there's a Big Ten guy. I don't
even know. I just went along with it, so I
honestly I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
But sure, okay, it's not an every year thing. I
would say more often than not, regardless of Okay, and
the Big Ten is never has usually not been the
conference like that doesn't matter to us, right, but the
SEC has been it doesn't. These games don't matter. Well,
this one matters, Okay. You have that same Cinderella type
story in Boise State, granted dramatically overseated, and they get
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the benefit of not having to play last weekend so
they're fresh, they're rested.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
This is the best that Boise is going to have.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
And proximity wise, you know, you get on a Southwest
flight or what's that other airline that you can actually
go into Mesa with. But Masa's on the other side
of the earth from Glendale anyway. Point is they'll have
a great crowd, a great chance to win against big
bad Penn State, and Penn State cannot say it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Matter to us, because this is all that matters.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
So you have the you know, in basketball you'd have
the bracketbuster, the high major versus the mid major. You
finally actually have that in college football for a chance
to go to the Foal four. I think it's kind
of sweet that as much as they screwed up a
lot of it. And again, like I even think Penn
State's kind of overseated, and and we're making a bigger
thing about Penn State, who's Okay, they're not great, But
(23:34):
you get a chance for the real Everyone who went
to a school that's not a power for school. Anyone
who's ever felt slighted felt like they belonged. And even
heck Mile montered Oklahoma State where you know, you go
back to the Brandon Whedon team that won was that
the twenty twelve I think Fiesta Bowl right there was
(23:55):
that they couldn't get into the National Championship game loose
doing Iowa State on a missed field goal.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Right, even those ones.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Like the overlooked non name brand teams now are gonna
be rooting for Boise And you got the Big Ten
and Penn State and all their tradition coming in and
you know, of course, we know James Franklin always takes,
you know, catching strays for not beating ranked teams. It's
kind of a no win for James Franklin. They win,
they're supposed to be Boise State, they lose. While it's
(24:24):
going to be ugly in state college, I think it's
like the perfect game, perfect game on a New Year's Eve.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
I and I can completely accept that, And I just
wonder if there is a bit of a letdown from
what we had in the first opening games because you
mentioned the ticket prices, and by the way, the Big
Twelve was supposed to go to the Fiesta Bowl. But
(24:51):
what happened is that Boise State just ended up again
the fruits of being higher in the rankings. Because they
ended up being higher, they got placed in the Fiesta
Bowl in that closer region, which put Arizona State. But
I think the Big Twelve was under the assumption that
if it was BYU, if it was Colorado, if it
was Arizona State, that they likely would have gotten to
(25:12):
play in the Fiesta Bowl, but that's why they ended
up in the Peach Bowl because Boise State was higher.
But to your point, Doug, I look at the basketball tournament,
the final fours, the sweet sixteens, and what do we love.
We love a little bit of Cinderella and then we
want it good at the end, and we'll probably get
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that in this college football playoff. But the question is
is how much do we want Do we want Boise
State to win this game? Do we want Boise State
to go and play Georgia or Notre Dame in the
semi final? I'm not sure. I can't even tell you
right now, as crazy as it sounds. And that's why
(25:56):
I think after these games, despite the first ones being blowouts,
something new, there was something unique about it. And yeah,
whether it's Alabama or LSU or you know, SMU, excuse me,
I'm not worried about it. But I don't know where
that medium, that happy medium is that we've kind of
figured out in the men's you know, NCAA tournament, and
I think it's going to take a little time. This
(26:17):
this one off tonight could be a great way to
start it, and then it leads into the to the
Arizona State Texas game tomorrow. But yeah, I don't have
a read. I don't know if I would feel differently
if it was, say, you know, Penn State against Alabama,
as crazy as that sounds, because of what we have
with Oregon and Ohio State and Notre Dame in Georgia,
(26:39):
I don't know if we need Alabama, but I can
see where you're coming from. I just want to find
that happy medium that I don't know where it's at
because this is so new.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah, i'd say this. I think.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
If Boise were to win tonight, if Boys were to
win tonight, I think next week is the perfect example
of why all of us know Boise can't win this thing.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
They just can't.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Just the attrition of playing a big boy and then
you play a real big boy next week, you just
you get so beat up and so worn down you do.
I think what's the other interesting element to it is,
again it's not as much this week as it is
for the next game, is like once these teams that
have had to play the extra game, like that's Notre
(27:26):
Dame loses with their best defensive lineman, Like you're gonna
lose a guy in every game. Now, the difference in
the Georgia's, to a lesser extent, Notre Dame, but the
Super the Ohio States of the world is they do
have a depth of talent that the other schools don't.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Just that's what the money does.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
For people who haven't listened to The Doug Gottlieb Show,
it airs every afternoon three to five Eastern twelve two Pacific.
Dan Buyer alongside and Jason Stewart. We're in for Dan
and the Dan Nets today. This is your seeing it
in college basketball, and I think the truth is it's
really right there in college football. I know it's hard
for you to conceptualize. How could Alabama lose to Vandy,
(28:09):
lose to Oklahoma? Just the attrition of playing the best
competition week in week out is completely different. It's just
it's a different sport and they're dealing with a different
salary cap. Even Indiana, who I didn't think belonged in
the field and got thoroughly undressed, the fact is that
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Indiana did spend.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
A ton of money.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Like you don't always get a championship team when you
put a bunch of money together for these college rosters,
but more often than not, you do. And it's just
a depth of athletes at those schools because they have
substantially more money, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I mean, that's really, really it.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I mean, I'm just I'm not complaining about my situation.
I took a job late, knowing all of the pit
but I was just, you know, before we started the show.
I mean when my assistant's office, like man could have
had that. There's a dude who we were recruiting. It
was late, he was available, we didn't get and my
(29:11):
Sistan's like, why didn't we get him? And I was like,
we didn't have the cheddar. It was just too much
money for us. Just was like, that's the reality to it.
And yeah, they're better, they got more money. They're supposed
to be better, you know. So I'm not an SEC alumn,
I'm not an SEC wonk, but I also know how
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this deal works, and I think it's going to get
worse before it gets better in terms of the disparity
between the SEC and to a little slightly lesser extent,
the Big ten and everybody else because they just make
more money. They have more money. And again, now next
year you can bring it in house. You know, and
pay and have the players under an nil contract from
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the university, and there's universities have more money.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
They don't just make money on that. Everybody says the
TV deal.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
TV deals great, but that makes sure all the lights
are on, all the pretty things or whatever. They can
make one hundred and fifty million dollars a year off
of their stadiums. They have bigger stadiums that are always
filled and they and then then you get into all
the other stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
So they.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
It's just the idea that you're really you're going to
be competitive three weeks in a row with teams that
have you know, five to ten to twenty x. The
spending of what you have is it's really kind of
silly when you think about it. Now, in a one
game scenario, can you pull it off? Yeah, boys, you
can beat Penn State. But can they beat Penn State
(30:38):
and then beat Georgia and then beat somebody else.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Nope.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
So Brett McMurphy's report yesterday from the Action that Works
in that the committee is going to look at the
bracket and possibly change the conference winners getting the automatic
bids like Boise State did and Arizona State did. That
You would still go with the rankings at least at
some point to give your top four buys, you would
(31:03):
give them the automatic bid to the tournament, but they
wouldn't get the buy, which could change as soon as
next year if everyone's on board, and I'm curious on
why the Big twelve or the Mountain West would want
to be on board with this. But again at the
SEC and the Big ten are playing hardball for future
agreements that could possibly change. But I think that Boise
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State actually has a different field dug, and this is
why it's difficult. And I don't know if Boise State
would have won in the quarterfinals or excuse me one
in the first round and now is on a streak
going into this Bowl game. Here, it almost seems like
the Cinderella run into the semi final is just too
far when you get down to the final four. And
(31:49):
I wonder if it would have been more fulfilling to
see to see that sort of advancement by a Boise
State team, you know what I mean, like to have
them win a first round game, they become then the
story where right now they haven't even played a game
and there isn't even the feel for Cinderella, and it's
almost difficult to find them as a Cinderella considering that
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they are going to be the higher seeded team and
wearing the home uniforms today against Penn State. So it's
it's just it's very, very odd, and I feel that
the role of the Cinderella would likely be fit better
if that new format was put in in Boise State
ended up winning a first round game.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
The dam Patrick Show, Fox Sports Treaties Dan Byrum, Doug Gottlieb.
Let's let's get a little as we recap twenty twenty
four on New Year's Eve Day, we play little They
say what?
Speaker 2 (32:41):
They said? What?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Wait a minute, they said what?
Speaker 7 (32:49):
Doug.
Speaker 8 (32:50):
I just I've found a gift for our listeners. I
wasn't able to afford buying gifts for all our listeners,
so but I wanted to give them the gift of sound.
And I think this might be my favorite. This might
be the best piece of sound from the year twenty
twenty four. Was it twenty twenty four?
Speaker 4 (33:12):
It's two two thousand, Yeah, only eighteen thousand years off.
Speaker 8 (33:17):
Andrew Reis wanted to kind of sum up the impact
that her and Caitlin Clark had on the world of
women's college basketball. And this is a real gym.
Speaker 13 (33:29):
It all started from the National Championship game. And I've
been dealing with this for two years now and understanding like, yeah,
negative things have probably been said about me, but honestly,
I'll take that because look where women's basketball is. People
are talking about women's basketball. You never would think that
we talking about women's basketball. People are pulling up to games.
We got celebrities coming to games, sold aut arenas like
just because of one single game and just looking at that, like,
(33:51):
I'll take that role.
Speaker 7 (33:52):
I'll take the bad guy role.
Speaker 13 (33:54):
And I'll continue to take that on and be that
for my teammates. And if I want to be that,
and I know I'll go down to history. I'll look
back twenty years they'd be like, yeah, the reason why
we watch that women's basketball is not just because of
one person. It's because of me too, And I want you.
Speaker 14 (34:06):
To hey, I was in that game too. People don't
like me, That's why they watch.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
What's so great is the whole WNBA was was like
trying to go against Caitlyn Clark, and there's this whole
ground swell of look at what, look at what Asia
Wilson has done.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Oh my god, look, why are we not talking more
about Asia Wilson.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Yeah, look at look at the other you know, Maya Moore,
all these other players at Leasta Leslie, all that they've
done for the you know, for the w and and
Cheryl Swoops and Cynthia Cooper, all these great players, which
I think with that we do recognize yet hear Angel
Reese is like, yeah, it's none of them. It's none
of them. You want to give it to Kaitlyn Clark,
but it's also me. Oh, just magnificent, magnificent sound bite.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
I don't know if you guys watched the I watched
all the Christmas Day games, and there was one thing
that was interesting was even though it was the NBA,
you saw like State Farm replaced Chris Paul with I
don't know who the WNBA player was the game was on.
I was working in my office at the time, and
many of the WNBA stars Asia Wilson now is in
(35:18):
a Nike AD, sure right, a Nike AD And just
it's one of those things where like, at some point
you have to you have to realize the league did
exist for twenty five years and no one in the
mainstream paid attention until Caitlin Clark came around. I don't
know why that's a bad thing, Why people can't accept it,
why people can't realize it that you know, you fall
(35:40):
in love with, Like Taylor Swift is not the world's
greatest singer.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
She had the world's greatest.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Songwriter, right anyone, I'm not anyone would tell you that
that Bob Dylan is fifteen times whatever she's ever been.
But she's a billionaire and she can only bring positive
attention to females in music. And the more you fight it,
the more you look like an idiot. Well's the same thing
here with Caitlyn Clerk, you know, like she's a thing,
(36:06):
she's made. She's made to where a couple of things
that that angel Re said are accurate, Like I've been
doing this job for over twenty years. Okay, outside of
the I must deal with Rutgers. We never talked about
women's basketball ever, and it wasn't because we hate it
or don't like it.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
It's just nobody cared.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Nobody cared, and we talked about it more this year
in twenty four and then we talked probably about baseball,
which had a fifty to fifty guy and now two
seven hundred million dollar contracts and the Dodgers beat the Yankees. Definitely,
we didn't utter a word about hockey. Then do they
still play hockey?
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Right? So she's right, but the hey it's me, I'm
hey me either reason.
Speaker 13 (36:54):
Like history, I'll look back at twenty years think like, yeah,
the reason why we watch on women's basketball is not
just because of person, it's because of me too.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
And I went that was more a slap in the
face to any current or former w NBA player than anything.
Caitlin Clark did that comment there like no, it was
also it was it was me, It wasn't you guys.
Katelyn Clark at least is given credit to the those
of the past. That one she told on.
Speaker 8 (37:20):
Herself and car spent over backwards almost pandering to No.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Now she's gotten to have to had to pander. She's
it sucks, she's had to pander.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
It's not just one person, it's two.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
It's not just it's not just one person, it's me.
Let's let's look a bit about me and more about me.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
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Speaker 3 (37:51):
Some interesting going ons last night in the Nation Football League,
with the Detroit Lions surviving the San Francisco forty Niners.
Monday Night football brock pretty though it went down with
some form of elbow injury. We think it's an elbow injury.
We don't really really know. We don't know the severity
of it or anything of it, only with reports of
that his arm was on fire and leaving many to
(38:12):
speculate more nerve than anything else.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
But what that means.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
We simply don't know a guy who would know how
this could affect the potential for a contract negotiation this
upcoming off season, joins us now. His name is Andrew
Brandt is he has. He's the host of the business
sports podcast under DraftKings Network. He's also the author of
the Sunday seven newsletter, which you can sign up for
on his social media pages IG and Twitter as well,
(38:38):
and he joins us now on the Dan Patrick Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Andrew, before we get to the Niners.
The Lions played their starters, played to win, and you've
been in with the Packers organization with the Eagles organization.
What are your thoughts on the Lions logic behind playing
their guys last night in the game that did nothing
(39:00):
with them in terms of playoff seating.
Speaker 15 (39:02):
Yeah, good morning, Doug. Always good to be with you.
I am not I rebeat, not a believer in playing
starters and stars and games like this, and I think
you'll see most of the teams agree with that on
Sunday this weekend. But Dan Campbell's got his own feelings
and that was important to him, maybe a little bit
(39:25):
different going into a big game next week rather than
a rest for the playoffs. So I'll give him that. Listen,
My feeling, Doug is risk reward. It's always comes down
to risk reward. What's the risk and the risk is phenomenal.
The risk is getting one of your stars got forbid,
your quarterback hurt in a meaningless game for the playoffs.
(39:48):
What's the reward. I don't get it winning a game
that doesn't matter, I guess, But to me, that's not comparable.
So I am a total believer in I changed the
Herm Edwards line. You don't play to win the end
of regular season game. Yeah, you play to win the
(40:09):
playoffs game. So it's pretty clear to.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Me, uh with with Dan Birom, Doug Gottlabis is the
dam Show Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Okay, so Doug quick one on that. Sorry we had
troubles with my mic here, but just on the on
the line sort of thing. Andrew, when you were an
executive with the Packers, what happens with bonuses and stuff
like that, Like, like, I do you know, how is
that reviewed during the week, especially if you are going
to be sitting guys and having that discussion. How does
that come about? And how do you deal with that
(40:40):
as a front office?
Speaker 15 (40:42):
Yeah, Dan, that's a great question, and that is a problem.
And when I was with the Packers, we fortunately we're
in a lot of those games where the sixteenth game
at that time seventeenth game now didn't really matter. So
we did sit stars and starters. But I also instituted
something contractually with the Packers that a lot of teams
(41:03):
use now called per game roster bonuses. So it's a
way of getting the player money. But he has to
be healthy, that's really all he has to be to
be a part of the forty seven man active roster.
And yes, this was a problem. Players came up to
me after these games. Even one player during a championship
NFC Championship game came up to me and said, what
(41:26):
am I going to get those bonuses for the sixteenth game?
And I had to adjust some contracts in the year
the next year because I didn't foresee that problem, And
absolutely not did I tell the coaches about it. The
coaches and the cap contract guys should not be talking
about these things, and I include that with incentive bonuses,
(41:46):
whether a guy is close to one thousand yards or
close to fifty catches or close to eight sacs. I
created a wall. I did not want any coaches knowing
about that, because then you could really face the agent
and play and saying absolutely not, there was no communication
about that, and be honest about it. So that's a
great question. That's how I handled it.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Okay, speaking of contract negotiations, what do you think last
night's injury, Again, we have no idea this severity does
to the contract negotiatations in brock Party.
Speaker 15 (42:19):
Well, we're going to assume that he's going to be
ready to play in twenty twenty five. I mean, this
sounds like kind of the injury he had in the
championship game. In twenty twenty three, so we're going to
assume this is not going to affect his playing in
twenty five. Here's the thing. He is going to get
a big contract. The question to me is how big?
(42:40):
Because the market, as you and I have talked about
many times, has gone to the fifties fifty five and
then of course the outlier with Prescott at sixty. I
just don't see him getting there. Now. Everyone could say, well,
why not because he's among those guys and his record,
but I just don't see it. And what the leverage
(43:02):
the forty nine ers have is that that fourth year?
In other words, he's done three years of a seventh
round contract, which is peanuts. He's still got a year
left on that. Now, are the forty niners going to
make him play for a million dollars since fourth year?
Speaker 5 (43:19):
No?
Speaker 15 (43:20):
But are they going to offer him fifty five million dollars?
Speaker 7 (43:23):
No?
Speaker 15 (43:25):
So I guess I'm looking at it as party's going
to make a decision. Do I play for a million
dollars or do I play for a contract averaging pick
a number thirty million dollars, thirty five million dollars, forty
million dollars? And am I really going to push for
fifty million dollars. So that's the leverage the forty nine
(43:48):
ers have. It's you got a year left at a
million dollars, so you turn down or offer. That's what
you're looking at.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
Can they use the elbow injury even if they think
everything's going to be fine. Can they use it against
him like you would maybe an arbitration in Major League Baseball?
Speaker 15 (44:04):
It's tough, you know, obviously tough to negotiate that way
and talk about injuries. But it will be a factor
if we're looking at it affecting next season. If this
comes back as nerve damage, that can be lingering or
whatever the word is into next season. Yes, absolutely, it's
(44:26):
like someone coming off a knee injury. You're not going
to do a huge contract based on that.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
What do you think Sam Donald's market looks like.
Speaker 15 (44:35):
Different than party because of what I just said. He's
a free agent. He's a free agent, so there's no
extra year that they can negotiate off like the forty
nine ers can. So now we're talking a different market
and just forget about numbers. I think Darnold will make
more than perty because of contract status. Yeah, the Vikings
(45:01):
will try to sign him, but they won't be the
only ones. So now you've got leverage, Now you've got teams.
Now you've got something that is so rare in the NFL,
productive quarterbacks on the market. When does that happen? Never?
So I think his market is strong, extremely strong. And
(45:23):
this idea of trading JJ McCarthy's you don't trade a
number one pick that hasn't played. That won't happen. But
if the Vikings retain him, it's then it's the discussion,
the discussion we had in Green Bay for every you know,
for for Rogers and for love, Like, what's the time
If you're JJ McCarthy's agent, are you are you going
(45:45):
to accept two years guaranteed for Donald? You don't have
anything to say about it, but are you going to
accept three years guaranteed for Donald? That's a long time.
That would be four years of waiting. So we'll see
what happens. They've got to deal with a lot in
Minnesota once they get past the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
Kind of on the flip side of things, I know
it's only two years in, but there's not a lot
of good coming from Indianapolis with someone like Anthony Richardson
But again, when you're drafting a player like that, you
and the limited experience he had coming into the NFL,
what sort of window do you give a quarterback like that?
(46:22):
If you're Indianapolis, especially if your backup plan right now
is in aging Joe Flacco, who's on the couch for
most of last season, what do you do if you're
the Colts in your young quarterback.
Speaker 15 (46:33):
Well, you don't cut them, you don't trade them, but
you do have a better backup plan than what you
just talked about on the couch. You have a serious
backup plan. You have a serious player that can come
in there. And I don't know who that is. That's
a long way off. But you're not talking about a
stop gap anymore in a place like Indianapolis. You're not
(46:55):
talking about a Flacco type. You're talking about a real option,
and you're not giving up on Richardson of course, you know,
it's like what I heard about Bryce Young an early
part of this year. No, you don't give up on
number one picks this early, but you better have an option. No,
it's not like in Cleveland as well, and that's a
(47:16):
whole other situation. But they're not going into Cleveland next
year again with these sort of retread backups anymore, they're
going with a real option, so it's going to be
interesting with those teams.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
He's the one only Andrew Brandt, of course.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
He's a former executive with the Packers, the host the
Business Sports podcast and the DraftKings Network, and the author
of these Sunday seven newsletter that you can sign up
for on his social media pages. Andrew, Happy New Year
to you, Thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 15 (47:46):
Thanks you guys having new year.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Doug Gottlie Dan Byer in for Dan Dannett's Jay stew
I think you had another say what for us?
Speaker 8 (47:55):
I just want to continue our gifts for the listeners
throughout the show today. I want to play sound own
from the Year in Sports in twenty twenty four and.
Speaker 7 (48:03):
It's a bit uh. We like to call this.
Speaker 8 (48:07):
Waiting man, they said, what. I think that's a pretty
good intro. In fact, I like it a lot. We
might have to institute it on our daily show, The
Doug gott Weep Show. So the second bit of sound
I want to say, and I don't want to speak
for Dan here, but I think it's his favorite from
the year. Dan was the one who was watching the
(48:28):
off season Hard Knocks up close, and of course this
exchange with Joel Shane and John Mara about Saquon Barkley
really stood out right.
Speaker 7 (48:38):
What's the latest still.
Speaker 15 (48:40):
On the I just got a text that Chicago's driving
the price.
Speaker 10 (48:44):
Up and Philly's out. I don't know if that's true or.
Speaker 7 (48:45):
Not, which I don't know.
Speaker 10 (48:48):
If that, I'll make a couple of calls.
Speaker 15 (48:49):
I don't even know if that's gonna gonna happen, but I.
Speaker 10 (48:52):
Have a tough time sleep.
Speaker 8 (48:53):
And if si Quand goes to philampe the outside of that,
as I've told you, just being up.
Speaker 12 (48:57):
I had been around enough players, but he's the most
popular player we have by far.
Speaker 4 (49:05):
So good.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
So here's I just again. I mean John Marrow was
telling him right there, just get this thing done, right,
I mean everyone heard it at the time. Just get
this thing done.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Stop.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
You can explain all you want about years and whatever,
just get this thing done. And remember Saquon Barkley, who's
got a chance to set the all time single season
rushing mark.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
He only left for a million dollars more.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
The whole contract is a million dollars more, which signifies
two things. One you know, the Giants weren't willing to go, Hey,
whatever you do, we'll offer you more money. And then
two uh he was it was. It became petty at
the end. It became it became an ego thing.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
It's interesting because I I don't it's not the exact opposite,
but I look at it from a different angle and
I I'm glad we played that sound because it's not
the pile on Joe Shane. It's actually to applaud Joe
Shane and the entire Giants organization for doing this. And
I don't know if the NFL forced him to do it,
(50:14):
but I don't know if a team will ever do
it again. I hope they do. I hope we get
access like that because it actually shows what goes on
in these scenarios. I would have loved to have heard
the conversations of the Atlanta Falcons. And now we look
at the quarterback situation and we see Michael Pennix has
taken over, But imagine what those conversations would have been.
(50:35):
Joe Shane may have been wrong, but I just feel
that his handicap was wrong, like in terms of Seguon Barkley,
and we've discussed this, and many others have discussed it
as well. Seguon Barkley was not going to do what
he did in Philadelphia in New York this year. That
was not going to happen, and so you have these
like sequence of events where then the Giants are like,
(50:58):
let's go and get your weapon, Daniel Jones. They get
them a leak Neighbors that actually hits. They wanted to
go cheap in the running back market. Turns out Tyrone
Tracy was pretty good for him. They had a bunch
of injuries on the offensive line that they tried to
four to five as part of the hard knocks that
we found out there were a bunch of pieces they
could get. They lost their left tackle Andrew Thomas for
(51:19):
the season. So it just didn't work out for the
Giants and it very likely could cost them all their jobs.
Brian Dable, Joe Shane the whole deal and what was
a make or break year. But sometimes those things happen,
and I'm so grateful that we got to look at it.
So I don't want to make it seem like we're
piling on Joe Shane, because it gave us insight into
what a general manager actually has to decide.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
And to add on to that is, let's also be honest,
it looks really bad right now. There's just no you know,
I mean, the Raiders have a running back who's you know,
Tom Telesco gets that job late. And the Raiders had
already kind of been a dude a running back who's
having a heck of a year in Green Bay. The
(52:01):
Packers had Aaron Jones who's having a heck of a
year in Minnesota, and of course saque Barker. And this
was all the talk of last year leading up to
the season. But remember the fight, from these general managers'
perspective and from the league's perspective.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Was not over one year.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
It was all of these guys wanted essentially three years guaranteed,
and the likelihood that they're anywhere near as productive in
year two and year three is minimal. It just is
that was the real that's the real gamble here. There
was never and this is what I hate about headlines
(52:38):
and some reporting in our business, which is they you
either want or don't want somebody. The Giants wanted Saquon Barkley,
they just never wanted to give him a three year
guaranteed deal just didn't because he's been injured a lot,
you know, So I just I Let's let's see how
it ultimately plays out. But right now, yes, it looks
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like words that end up causing you to get fired
because of this one decision
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Hello, my dear friend Dan Bayer. Jason Stewart, the esteem
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Patrick Show, joining us as well. And I won't be
the first, I won't be the last, but I can't
wish you happy New Year. New Year's Eve brings us
a reaction to last night's Monday night football game, which
was entertaining and of course we had a notable injury
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to a very notable figure for the defending NFC champion
San Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
And it gives us.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Football today or tonight, as we have the first in
the second round quarterfinals of the College football Playoff. And
I think it's actually the perfect game, so we get
a lot to get to the first.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
This is this is always a good time in the
morning when you wake up to go, hey, let's let's
look back at last night's Monday night football game.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Gave us a little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Everything got a hook and ladder, which was not you know,
is a great trick play for a touchdown in the
first half, exciting ending, and then you have a brock
Party injury. Like, the biggest takeaway in your mind is
what from that game?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Well, it's actually brock Party's injury. But to your point
of the Lions, not only are the Lions saying, yeah,
we're gonna play our guys in what is a meaningless
game for us, what really matters is Week eighteen. Not
only are we gonna do that, We're gonna run a
trick play that I don't know if they've used other
times this season. I know they've done a bunch of
(01:36):
other stuff, but let's throw that one on tape from
Minnesota to worry about. They just don't let up, And
that's the crazy thing. They could have came out there
with a vanilla playbook, had Jamier Gibbs maybe play a quarter,
but no, they went full throttle the rest of the way.
Almost lost the game. But the biggest takeaway is the
brock Party injury, depending on the severity of it, which
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we don't know right now, because lost in all of
this is that, well, we thought that the Lions should
pack it in last night and not do anything. Maybe
it should have been brock Party. Maybe Brock Party should
have just set these final two games for San Francisco
just because of his contract situation and what could be
ahead for him in that regard.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah, so we don't know, and uh it if you
look online, right, but the fear obviously is in the
throwing elbow, right, which was or throw throwing potential throwing shoulder.
And when you have a guy who they don't have
to extend him at the end of this year, right
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he has, he's under contract for another year, they don't
have to. But when you think of what's out there,
Kirk Cousins out there, right, uh, and then you have
Sam Donald could be will be potentially out there. Cousins
obviously played for Kyle Shanahan in Washington and uh Sam
Darld started a couple of games last year replacing Brock
(02:58):
Purty due to injury. Like this, this completely changes in
many ways the perception of what's going to happen this
upcoming off season for Party. I mean, look, I don't
think he bought all of those Toyota Tacoma TRD trucks,
but probably not, probably not. But if he did, like
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we're talking minimum fifty times, I think eight to ten
offensive linemen, and I don't know if he can't back
by the backup. So if it's ten, like you're going
to drop five hundred grand when you make less than
a million, there's that thought like he is expecting a payday.
He has been told there's a payday coming, and now
what do you do if you're John Lynch and you're like, yeah,
(03:39):
I can't do that, would do that?
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Yeah. What even complicates things now even more is if
this is significant, and again we don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Which today it's really really important because I don't want
anybody to think if you woke up, you just turned
on that we know it's a significant injury.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
We have no idea got him.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Yeah, no, that's all right. But I think that we
didn't question brock Perty's health considering he came back from
the injury and didn't miss a regular season game the
next year from it when he was hurt against the
Philadelphia Eagles a couple of years ago. So now the
whole debate about Purdy has been is Purty good enough?
Is it Purdy or is it all the weapons around him?
(04:19):
Riggy Piersaw last night had a great night. You know,
stat wise, the Niners couldn't get stops on defense, which
is probably their biggest problem. Perty did have some bad turnovers.
There is the knock on him of are you trying
to do too much? But ultimately, Doug, now all of
a sudden injury prone or significant injury with the elbow
(04:41):
comes into the equation comes into the negotiation, and I
think that complicates things even more because if it is significant,
now it's your second significant elbow injury early on in
your career, and who knows how that goes down the line.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, we have no idea.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
You know, it could be a nerve in there which
makes it feel like it's worse than it is. But
you're right once you start to say like one injury,
like okay, it's just an injury, when it's the second one, now,
well it's chronic. And the crazy part was the first
three drives. He had three drives in a row where
he was nine of nine, one hundred and thirty one yards.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I saw it. I mean he was killing it.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
I mean really, Now, I know Detroit's defense wasn't great
to begin with, and now being depleted by some injuries
is even worse. But the interesting part is how brock
Purty had had a very average year because of all
of the in many ways, all of the injuries of
the guys surrounding him. And look, I don't think he's
(05:38):
nearly at the level of those elite quarterbacks, and I
don't think he should be compensated as such. But again,
I don't evaluate quarterbacks for living. I'm not Kyle Shanahan,
I'm not John Lynch. To their team, they know it
better than we do. And last night was one of
the first nights all year when she looking, You're like,
whoa while, brock Purty looking looks a little different, little
better tonight than he has previously. And then he goes
(05:59):
and gets hurt and again, might be something minor, might
be just a nerve inflammation which makes you arm feel
like it's on fire, and structurally it's fine, but you're
you're totally right, Dan. Anybody who has a brain sits
there and goes like, wait, wait, he had a major
surgery on it previously, and now he has to leave
a game, a close game because it feeling like it's
(06:21):
on fire, Like what else can go wrong? And oh
yet it's not like it's not an arm he's not
going to use it was his left arm, like, all right, well,
you know it's gonna be painful, but he doesn't need
that one. It's the one elbow, you know, one of
the two elbows that he actually needs.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Yeah, it completely messes up the equation. They didn't have
a running game last night. They were willing to get
into a shootout with the Detroit Lions. And we've looked
at the forty nine ers over the last couple of years,
whether it be Christian McCaffrey, whether it be Jordan Mason
when he was feeling in earlier of the season, or
Elijah Mitchell other times, and even before that where he mostered,
it's been running, running, running, and last night that wasn't
(06:58):
the case. They aired it out. Party had three hundred
and seventy seven yards. All those who are anti Party
and don't pay Party will just point to the two
interceptions because they didn't look good air mailing one in
the middle of the field. You could always point to
that stuff. But as he said, he started out nine
to nine through for almost four hundred yards in the
(07:19):
game that had what ten touchdowns and no punts. I think,
like it's crazy. I mean, he put on a show
last night, but then there's still questions, and now the
injury stuff complicates things.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
And then the big question is what Dan Campbell did
playing all his starters. Here's Campbell, head coach of the
still first place Detroit Lions, when he was asked if
he considered resting his starters for last night's game.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, it was on my mind, you know.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
I mean I thought a lot about it, you know,
I thought about it leading up to the game. I
thought about it last night. I told the staff. But
I ended up settling on the right thing to do
was play these guys, and and because we owed it
to the team, you know, and and it was just
one of those those positions we were in. It's just
hard to say who you're going to sit, and and
(08:12):
it's not fair to ask guys to play that haven't
been prepared to play. You know.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Those answers make no sense, by the way. I do
understand the hey, you can't, you can't sit everybody, but
the how could you not be? You had an extra
data prep. You knew this was a possibility, right, you
knew it was a possibility. I don't understand that answer. Yeah,
(08:39):
I guess what he's saying is, look, had Minnesota lost,
but had Minnesota lost, they you know, and they won
be in the same situation, still have to win the
game on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
I also don't want to sound callous, but isn't that
what backups are for? I mean, like, there's.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Don't we always don't you always tell your guys you
stay ready?
Speaker 4 (09:00):
They ready?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
They ready?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
He's not really ready. It's not fair to him. What
is he talking about? Look, I like Dan Campbell, I
can just tell you this all gas and no breaks thing.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
It sounds really, really good.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I can tell you from personal experience, it is an
atrocious idea. I don't care what you do if you
lose your start. Your starters are your starters for a reason.
What are you doing? You did not have to play
last night's game to win. And like, I'm a crazy
competitive person. My team is in a is in a
(09:35):
losing streak. We've had a gigantic injury on our team, okay,
and it's one of those like we're in that phase
to where like, if it can go wrong, it goes wrong.
That's just kind of where it goes and you got
to turn around and fix it. Okay, but everyone knows
that your likelihood of success is made even greater in
(09:57):
the playoffs when you have healthy players. Nothing matters. Unless
you have healthy players, it's so hard to do with backups.
And there's what was the win in winning last night,
especially now that you got a short week of prep
to go play the Minnesota Vikings. How does that make
any sense? And his need to go for it right
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like it's gotten a beaten this year. Heck, last year
there was the decisions on win to go for it,
not to go for it against the Niners in the
NFC Championship game, which in the first half he didn't.
In the second half he did, and it backfired on
him and they gave away a lead. And I'm not
saying he's not a tremendous coach, but that particular decision
and his defense of the decision really didn't make any sense.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
I'll tell you what also doesn't make sense. This is
Jared Goff after the win last night.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
I think that's the only way we know, you know,
it's just go and find a way to win. And
you know the team we were playing, you know, in
San Francisco, like this is what ended our season last year,
And there was a lot of guys on this team
that were there last year that you know, wanted to
get one back on them, even though you know, in
a lot of ways it was meaningless for them and
meaningless for us. But they were prideful out there too.
They were trying to you know, beat us as well,
(11:08):
and it was a fun game.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, So I get it. It's like, we just we
lost the Niners last year in the playoffs. We want
to put the steak in. They're already not in the playoffs.
They're already not in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
The part that I don't get is how in the
world could that be payback Like last year was for
a trip to the Super Bowl. This year meant nothing
to either side. It's actually one of the glaring things
about Nick Sirianni. For all of the things that we
will point out and the dumb stuff that the Eagles
head coach does, there may have been nothing worse than
(11:39):
taunting Chiefs fans after beating them in Kansas City when
the Chiefs beat them in the Super Bowl the prior year. Like,
it wasn't it wasn't payback, It wasn't revenge. I don't
know how you could get revenge from losing a Super Bowl,
except if you played them in the Super Bowl the
next year. This didn't even less impact than that Chiefs
Eagles get Doug there was. It meant nothing to neither
(12:03):
to both sides and to sit there and say like
they're prideful, like that's garbage. Nobody last night thought yeah, revenge,
none at all.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
There wasn't even there wasn't a single Lions fan. And
you and I work with Christophett who's the Lions. Not
a single Lions fan on the on the planet, on
the planet, who's like hey, or even for last year, huh?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
You like that, buddy? You like that?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Like even like not one, No, nobody, nobody thinks that.
And and you know, I love the idea of trying
to win every day, trying to win every game.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
That were competitive people, You can.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
The backups can compete as well, because you know what
you're playing for something more important than a Monday night
football game in week seventeen of an NFL season. You're
playing for a super Bowl, to win a super Bowl
with the Detroit Lions. That's the only thing that matters
is the super Bowl with the Detroit Lions. And and
and nothing that was done last It was a fun game,
(13:01):
don't get me wrong, Like we've had a lot of
like drudgery here end of the season with some of
these games. Guys in the limpited the fun game forty
thirty four points score trick plays awesome, But I mean
for a team that's already been depleted, already lost, you know,
lost a running back, lost, the middle linebacker, lost, some
ancillary pieces like what are you doing? What what are
(13:24):
you possibly doing? Hey, payback? Some of these guys want
to pay back. We want to pay back.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
It's not payback, not payback.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Uh, Jay stew you you you want to propose a bit?
Is that what you want to do?
Speaker 7 (13:39):
Happy New Year's Eve, a gentleman I put together.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Isn't it a Happy New Year's Eve? Day?
Speaker 7 (13:45):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah, I'm just saying it's a weird sentence. But new
Year's Eve, I mean, I guess, I guess it can
be used. It depends on the use of the word eve.
Eve can be day before, but it's really night before,
is it not.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
Yeah? No, I'll definitely I think right on that one.
Speaker 8 (14:01):
I put together a gift for listeners as we look
back on twenty twenty four. I wanted to play my
personal favorite soundbites from the year and by all means
Doug Dan listeners, if you have any contribution, let us know.
But I want to play at the end of each
segment today, just something that was memorable, something that's stuck
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out from twenty twenty four in sports, And I want
to start with somebody that Doug actually either attended high
school with or went to the same high school as test.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And high school and go to ten high school with.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
He was a freshman, I was a senior.
Speaker 8 (14:39):
Deshaun Foster gets the job at UCLA and he shows
up at Big Ten media days and he just wows
the world with charisma.
Speaker 9 (14:49):
UCLA and a Big Ten where a school that's won
what one hundred and twenty three championship. So this fits
as being right in this conference football wise, which is excited.
Speaker 10 (15:04):
You know.
Speaker 9 (15:05):
I'm sure you guys don't know too much about UCLA
but our football program, but we're in LA. It's us
in usc.
Speaker 10 (15:21):
We uh.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
The crazy part was for people who don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
We actually had Deshaun on the Doug Gottlieb Show like
a half hour after that happened, and he was like, yeah,
well what happened was I didn't know if us was
to make a statement or answer the question. He was
great about it, but yeah, that was that that wasn't great.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
Well they turned it into it. I want to say,
he turned it in the thing?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, like we're in la Yeah yeah.
Speaker 8 (16:04):
Oh by the way, I have veto put this together
so I can'tnot play what I was supposed to do
right before we played the Shaun Foster. Yeah, is this
is the intro for the for the bit today they said.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
What they said?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
What?
Speaker 8 (16:22):
So you'll be hearing more sound throughout the show listeners.
I hope you enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Well, that's a really good veto, did a really good job.
What what did you choke? Did you get too excited
about playing the sound? What happened?
Speaker 7 (16:33):
Oh? You know, I'm I'm not a host by trade.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
No you are. You're the FM morning morning radio host.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
We we've we've we've established that that you love to
do the well not let don't call it a throwback,
because you really want to do what was hot on
the Billboard top charts in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Right, that's we've established that.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Don't don't don't duck and dodge that thing. You got
too excited because the clip is way too funny. Everybody
does it. That clip is too funny. You can't hear
it one more time. I got to hear that again.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
We're we're in l A with USC.
Speaker 7 (17:13):
Wait a minute, they said, what.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Oh so good, so good.
Speaker 9 (17:24):
We're a school that's won what one hundred and twenty
three championships? So this fits us being right in this
conference football wise, which is excited. You know, I'm sure
you guys don't know too much about UCLA but our
football program.
Speaker 10 (17:40):
But we're in LA.
Speaker 9 (17:47):
It's us in USC.
Speaker 11 (17:52):
We RelA, it's us in USC.
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Speaker 3 (19:24):
We have Round two of the college football playoffs getting
underway tonight again time same same idea as last time
around one game today and then three tomorrow. I think
this is the perfect bowl game, Fiesta Bowl Game. Now, look,
full disclosure, it's ridiculous that boyse you gotta buy. Equally
(19:49):
ridiculous that Arizona State wins the Big Twelve and they're
not playing in Glendale. And as much a you can say, well,
that would be a that would be an unfair our
home field advantage is like, okay, so neither Arizona State
nor Boise State deserved to be a top four seed.
But if they're going to be a top four seed
(20:10):
and the difference is all that slight, shouldn't you want
to sell tickets?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
And if you sold tickets?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
And I just saw online that tickets for Arizona State's
game in but in Georgia are going for pennies on
the dollar. So congratulations on screwing something up that was
pretty easy right there in front of you. But regardless
of it, Dan, can I make the pitch to you
of why I think.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
This is the perfect game?
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Yeah, I'd love to hear it.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Okay, So basically for the last I don't know, twenty
five years or so, and obviously it got worse once
we got the College Football Playoff, the four team playoff,
but remember we'd always have these bowl games. We had
Hawaii taken on. Who'd they get pummeled by in this
Sugar Bowl? Is that Alabama?
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Georgia?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Georgia? And the Sugar blank was just bad? Right?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
But also you had Boise taked out Oklahoma in this
in the Fiesta Bowl, that was the hook and ladder play, right.
You had the Statue of Liberty. You had Chris Myers
going okay, and now you're gonna ask your girlfriend to
marry you, Like, dude, what are you doing anyway? Like
arguably one of the most famous subsets. And you'd always
(21:17):
get from the side of the SEC, the side of
the Big twelve, the side of the Big Ten, like, hey,
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Come on, man, likes a bowl game.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
We get a swag bag, We had to ride roller
coasters and have big dinner, and freshmen get to a
more chance to work out, Like it's never really mattered
to us, right, And there was no real payoff other
than to say, hey, we won that bowl game, which
is sort of bragging rights. But like you know, the
SEC especially has had that, like we love what you know,
(21:49):
bowl games only matter when we win them. Well, now
the Big Ten who Let's just be honest, over the
last twenty five years outside of Ohio State been pathetic
in Bowl games that faired in Yeah, yeah, okay, right,
Big ten. Considering the historic nature and success of Big
ten programs generally, again I'm saying this is more generalization.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Generally, the Big Ten has been pathetic in Bolt.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
It's funny because there's a Big Ten guy. I don't
even know. I just went along with it, so I
honestly I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
But sure, okay, it's not an every year thing. I
would say more often than not, regardless of Okay, and
the Big Ten is never has usually not been the
conference like that doesn't matter to us, right, but the
SEC has been it doesn't. These games don't matter. Well,
this one matters, Okay. You have that same Cinderella type
story in Boise State, granted dramatically overseated, and they get
(22:42):
the benefit of not having to play last weekend so
they're fresh, they're rested.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
This is the best that Boise is going to have.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
And proximity wise, you know, you get on a Southwest
flight or what's that other airline that you can actually
go into Mesa with. But Masa's on the other side
of the earth from Glendale anyway. Point is they'll have
a great crowd, a great chance to win against big
bad Penn State, and Penn State cannot say it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Matter to us, because this is all that matters.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
So you have the you know, in basketball you'd have
the bracketbuster, the high major versus the mid major. You
finally actually have that in college football for a chance
to go to the Foal four. I think it's kind
of sweet that as much as they screwed up a
lot of it. And again, like I even think Penn
State's kind of overseated, and and we're making a bigger
thing about Penn State, who's Okay, they're not great, But
(23:34):
you get a chance for the real Everyone who went
to a school that's not a power for school. Anyone
who's ever felt slighted felt like they belonged. And even
heck Mile montered Oklahoma State where you know, you go
back to the Brandon Whedon team that won was that
the twenty twelve I think Fiesta Bowl right there was
(23:55):
that they couldn't get into the National Championship game loose
doing Iowa State on a missed field goal.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Right, even those ones.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Like the overlooked non name brand teams now are gonna
be rooting for Boise And you got the Big Ten
and Penn State and all their tradition coming in and
you know, of course, we know James Franklin always takes,
you know, catching strays for not beating ranked teams. It's
kind of a no win for James Franklin. They win,
they're supposed to be Boise State, they lose. While it's
(24:24):
going to be ugly in state college, I think it's
like the perfect game, perfect game on a New Year's Eve.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
I and I can completely accept that, And I just
wonder if there is a bit of a letdown from
what we had in the first opening games because you
mentioned the ticket prices, and by the way, the Big
Twelve was supposed to go to the Fiesta Bowl. But
(24:51):
what happened is that Boise State just ended up again
the fruits of being higher in the rankings. Because they
ended up being higher, they got placed in the Fiesta
Bowl in that closer region, which put Arizona State. But
I think the Big Twelve was under the assumption that
if it was BYU, if it was Colorado, if it
was Arizona State, that they likely would have gotten to
(25:12):
play in the Fiesta Bowl, but that's why they ended
up in the Peach Bowl because Boise State was higher.
But to your point, Doug, I look at the basketball tournament,
the final fours, the sweet sixteens, and what do we love.
We love a little bit of Cinderella and then we
want it good at the end, and we'll probably get
(25:34):
that in this college football playoff. But the question is
is how much do we want Do we want Boise
State to win this game? Do we want Boise State
to go and play Georgia or Notre Dame in the
semi final? I'm not sure. I can't even tell you
right now, as crazy as it sounds. And that's why
(25:56):
I think after these games, despite the first ones being blowouts,
something new, there was something unique about it. And yeah,
whether it's Alabama or LSU or you know, SMU, excuse me,
I'm not worried about it. But I don't know where
that medium, that happy medium is that we've kind of
figured out in the men's you know, NCAA tournament, and
I think it's going to take a little time. This
(26:17):
this one off tonight could be a great way to
start it, and then it leads into the to the
Arizona State Texas game tomorrow. But yeah, I don't have
a read. I don't know if I would feel differently
if it was, say, you know, Penn State against Alabama,
as crazy as that sounds, because of what we have
with Oregon and Ohio State and Notre Dame in Georgia,
(26:39):
I don't know if we need Alabama, but I can
see where you're coming from. I just want to find
that happy medium that I don't know where it's at
because this is so new.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah, i'd say this. I think.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
If Boise were to win tonight, if Boys were to
win tonight, I think next week is the perfect example
of why all of us know Boise can't win this thing.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
They just can't.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Just the attrition of playing a big boy and then
you play a real big boy next week, you just
you get so beat up and so worn down you do.
I think what's the other interesting element to it is,
again it's not as much this week as it is
for the next game, is like once these teams that
have had to play the extra game, like that's Notre
(27:26):
Dame loses with their best defensive lineman, Like you're gonna
lose a guy in every game. Now, the difference in
the Georgia's, to a lesser extent, Notre Dame, but the
Super the Ohio States of the world is they do
have a depth of talent that the other schools don't.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Just that's what the money does.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
For people who haven't listened to The Doug Gottlieb Show,
it airs every afternoon three to five Eastern twelve two Pacific.
Dan Buyer alongside and Jason Stewart. We're in for Dan
and the Dan Nets today. This is your seeing it
in college basketball, and I think the truth is it's
really right there in college football. I know it's hard
for you to conceptualize. How could Alabama lose to Vandy,
(28:09):
lose to Oklahoma? Just the attrition of playing the best
competition week in week out is completely different. It's just
it's a different sport and they're dealing with a different
salary cap. Even Indiana, who I didn't think belonged in
the field and got thoroughly undressed, the fact is that
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Indiana did spend.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
A ton of money.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Like you don't always get a championship team when you
put a bunch of money together for these college rosters,
but more often than not, you do. And it's just
a depth of athletes at those schools because they have
substantially more money, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I mean, that's really, really it.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I mean, I'm just I'm not complaining about my situation.
I took a job late, knowing all of the pit
but I was just, you know, before we started the show.
I mean when my assistant's office, like man could have
had that. There's a dude who we were recruiting. It
was late, he was available, we didn't get and my
(29:11):
Sistan's like, why didn't we get him? And I was like,
we didn't have the cheddar. It was just too much
money for us. Just was like, that's the reality to it.
And yeah, they're better, they got more money. They're supposed
to be better, you know. So I'm not an SEC alumn,
I'm not an SEC wonk, but I also know how
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this deal works, and I think it's going to get
worse before it gets better in terms of the disparity
between the SEC and to a little slightly lesser extent,
the Big ten and everybody else because they just make
more money. They have more money. And again, now next
year you can bring it in house. You know, and
pay and have the players under an nil contract from
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the university, and there's universities have more money.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
They don't just make money on that. Everybody says the
TV deal.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
TV deals great, but that makes sure all the lights
are on, all the pretty things or whatever. They can
make one hundred and fifty million dollars a year off
of their stadiums. They have bigger stadiums that are always
filled and they and then then you get into all
the other stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
So they.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
It's just the idea that you're really you're going to
be competitive three weeks in a row with teams that
have you know, five to ten to twenty x. The
spending of what you have is it's really kind of
silly when you think about it. Now, in a one
game scenario, can you pull it off? Yeah, boys, you
can beat Penn State. But can they beat Penn State
(30:38):
and then beat Georgia and then beat somebody else.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Nope.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
So Brett McMurphy's report yesterday from the Action that Works
in that the committee is going to look at the
bracket and possibly change the conference winners getting the automatic
bids like Boise State did and Arizona State did. That
You would still go with the rankings at least at
some point to give your top four buys, you would
(31:03):
give them the automatic bid to the tournament, but they
wouldn't get the buy, which could change as soon as
next year if everyone's on board, and I'm curious on
why the Big twelve or the Mountain West would want
to be on board with this. But again at the
SEC and the Big ten are playing hardball for future
agreements that could possibly change. But I think that Boise
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State actually has a different field dug, and this is
why it's difficult. And I don't know if Boise State
would have won in the quarterfinals or excuse me one
in the first round and now is on a streak
going into this Bowl game. Here, it almost seems like
the Cinderella run into the semi final is just too
far when you get down to the final four. And
(31:49):
I wonder if it would have been more fulfilling to
see to see that sort of advancement by a Boise
State team, you know what I mean, like to have
them win a first round game, they become then the
story where right now they haven't even played a game
and there isn't even the feel for Cinderella, and it's
almost difficult to find them as a Cinderella considering that
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they are going to be the higher seeded team and
wearing the home uniforms today against Penn State. So it's
it's just it's very, very odd, and I feel that
the role of the Cinderella would likely be fit better
if that new format was put in in Boise State
ended up winning a first round game.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
The dam Patrick Show, Fox Sports Treaties Dan Byrum, Doug Gottlieb.
Let's let's get a little as we recap twenty twenty
four on New Year's Eve Day, we play little They
say what?
Speaker 2 (32:41):
They said? What?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Wait a minute, they said what?
Speaker 7 (32:49):
Doug.
Speaker 8 (32:50):
I just I've found a gift for our listeners. I
wasn't able to afford buying gifts for all our listeners,
so but I wanted to give them the gift of sound.
And I think this might be my favorite. This might
be the best piece of sound from the year twenty
twenty four. Was it twenty twenty four?
Speaker 4 (33:12):
It's two two thousand, Yeah, only eighteen thousand years off.
Speaker 8 (33:17):
Andrew Reis wanted to kind of sum up the impact
that her and Caitlin Clark had on the world of
women's college basketball. And this is a real gym.
Speaker 13 (33:29):
It all started from the National Championship game. And I've
been dealing with this for two years now and understanding like, yeah,
negative things have probably been said about me, but honestly,
I'll take that because look where women's basketball is. People
are talking about women's basketball. You never would think that
we talking about women's basketball. People are pulling up to games.
We got celebrities coming to games, sold aut arenas like
just because of one single game and just looking at that, like,
(33:51):
I'll take that role.
Speaker 7 (33:52):
I'll take the bad guy role.
Speaker 13 (33:54):
And I'll continue to take that on and be that
for my teammates. And if I want to be that,
and I know I'll go down to history. I'll look
back twenty years they'd be like, yeah, the reason why
we watch that women's basketball is not just because of
one person. It's because of me too, And I want you.
Speaker 14 (34:06):
To hey, I was in that game too. People don't
like me, That's why they watch.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
What's so great is the whole WNBA was was like
trying to go against Caitlyn Clark, and there's this whole
ground swell of look at what, look at what Asia
Wilson has done.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Oh my god, look, why are we not talking more
about Asia Wilson.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Yeah, look at look at the other you know, Maya Moore,
all these other players at Leasta Leslie, all that they've
done for the you know, for the w and and
Cheryl Swoops and Cynthia Cooper, all these great players, which
I think with that we do recognize yet hear Angel
Reese is like, yeah, it's none of them. It's none
of them. You want to give it to Kaitlyn Clark,
but it's also me. Oh, just magnificent, magnificent sound bite.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
I don't know if you guys watched the I watched
all the Christmas Day games, and there was one thing
that was interesting was even though it was the NBA,
you saw like State Farm replaced Chris Paul with I
don't know who the WNBA player was the game was on.
I was working in my office at the time, and
many of the WNBA stars Asia Wilson now is in
(35:18):
a Nike AD, sure right, a Nike AD And just
it's one of those things where like, at some point
you have to you have to realize the league did
exist for twenty five years and no one in the
mainstream paid attention until Caitlin Clark came around. I don't
know why that's a bad thing, Why people can't accept it,
why people can't realize it that you know, you fall
(35:40):
in love with, Like Taylor Swift is not the world's
greatest singer.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
She had the world's greatest.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Songwriter, right anyone, I'm not anyone would tell you that
that Bob Dylan is fifteen times whatever she's ever been.
But she's a billionaire and she can only bring positive
attention to females in music. And the more you fight it,
the more you look like an idiot. Well's the same thing
here with Caitlyn Clerk, you know, like she's a thing,
(36:06):
she's made. She's made to where a couple of things
that that angel Re said are accurate, Like I've been
doing this job for over twenty years. Okay, outside of
the I must deal with Rutgers. We never talked about
women's basketball ever, and it wasn't because we hate it
or don't like it.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
It's just nobody cared.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Nobody cared, and we talked about it more this year
in twenty four and then we talked probably about baseball,
which had a fifty to fifty guy and now two
seven hundred million dollar contracts and the Dodgers beat the Yankees. Definitely,
we didn't utter a word about hockey. Then do they
still play hockey?
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Right? So she's right, but the hey it's me, I'm
hey me either reason.
Speaker 13 (36:54):
Like history, I'll look back at twenty years think like, yeah,
the reason why we watch on women's basketball is not
just because of person, it's because of me too.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
And I went that was more a slap in the
face to any current or former w NBA player than anything.
Caitlin Clark did that comment there like no, it was
also it was it was me, It wasn't you guys.
Katelyn Clark at least is given credit to the those
of the past. That one she told on.
Speaker 8 (37:20):
Herself and car spent over backwards almost pandering to No.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Now she's gotten to have to had to pander. She's
it sucks, she's had to pander.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
It's not just one person, it's two.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
It's not just it's not just one person, it's me.
Let's let's look a bit about me and more about me.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
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Speaker 3 (37:51):
Some interesting going ons last night in the Nation Football League,
with the Detroit Lions surviving the San Francisco forty Niners.
Monday Night football brock pretty though it went down with
some form of elbow injury. We think it's an elbow injury.
We don't really really know. We don't know the severity
of it or anything of it, only with reports of
that his arm was on fire and leaving many to
(38:12):
speculate more nerve than anything else.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
But what that means.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
We simply don't know a guy who would know how
this could affect the potential for a contract negotiation this
upcoming off season, joins us now. His name is Andrew
Brandt is he has. He's the host of the business
sports podcast under DraftKings Network. He's also the author of
the Sunday seven newsletter, which you can sign up for
on his social media pages IG and Twitter as well,
(38:38):
and he joins us now on the Dan Patrick Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Andrew, before we get to the Niners.
The Lions played their starters, played to win, and you've
been in with the Packers organization with the Eagles organization.
What are your thoughts on the Lions logic behind playing
their guys last night in the game that did nothing
(39:00):
with them in terms of playoff seating.
Speaker 15 (39:02):
Yeah, good morning, Doug. Always good to be with you.
I am not I rebeat, not a believer in playing
starters and stars and games like this, and I think
you'll see most of the teams agree with that on
Sunday this weekend. But Dan Campbell's got his own feelings
and that was important to him, maybe a little bit
(39:25):
different going into a big game next week rather than
a rest for the playoffs. So I'll give him that. Listen,
My feeling, Doug is risk reward. It's always comes down
to risk reward. What's the risk and the risk is phenomenal.
The risk is getting one of your stars got forbid,
your quarterback hurt in a meaningless game for the playoffs.
(39:48):
What's the reward. I don't get it winning a game
that doesn't matter, I guess, But to me, that's not comparable.
So I am a total believer in I changed the
Herm Edwards line. You don't play to win the end
of regular season game. Yeah, you play to win the
(40:09):
playoffs game. So it's pretty clear to.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Me, uh with with Dan Birom, Doug Gottlabis is the
dam Show Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Okay, so Doug quick one on that. Sorry we had
troubles with my mic here, but just on the on
the line sort of thing. Andrew, when you were an
executive with the Packers, what happens with bonuses and stuff
like that, Like, like, I do you know, how is
that reviewed during the week, especially if you are going
to be sitting guys and having that discussion. How does
that come about? And how do you deal with that
(40:40):
as a front office?
Speaker 15 (40:42):
Yeah, Dan, that's a great question, and that is a problem.
And when I was with the Packers, we fortunately we're
in a lot of those games where the sixteenth game
at that time seventeenth game now didn't really matter. So
we did sit stars and starters. But I also instituted
something contractually with the Packers that a lot of teams
(41:03):
use now called per game roster bonuses. So it's a
way of getting the player money. But he has to
be healthy, that's really all he has to be to
be a part of the forty seven man active roster.
And yes, this was a problem. Players came up to
me after these games. Even one player during a championship
NFC Championship game came up to me and said, what
(41:26):
am I going to get those bonuses for the sixteenth game?
And I had to adjust some contracts in the year
the next year because I didn't foresee that problem, And
absolutely not did I tell the coaches about it. The
coaches and the cap contract guys should not be talking
about these things, and I include that with incentive bonuses,
(41:46):
whether a guy is close to one thousand yards or
close to fifty catches or close to eight sacs. I
created a wall. I did not want any coaches knowing
about that, because then you could really face the agent
and play and saying absolutely not, there was no communication
about that, and be honest about it. So that's a
great question. That's how I handled it.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Okay, speaking of contract negotiations, what do you think last
night's injury, Again, we have no idea this severity does
to the contract negotiatations in brock Party.
Speaker 15 (42:19):
Well, we're going to assume that he's going to be
ready to play in twenty twenty five. I mean, this
sounds like kind of the injury he had in the
championship game. In twenty twenty three, so we're going to
assume this is not going to affect his playing in
twenty five. Here's the thing. He is going to get
a big contract. The question to me is how big?
(42:40):
Because the market, as you and I have talked about
many times, has gone to the fifties fifty five and
then of course the outlier with Prescott at sixty. I
just don't see him getting there. Now. Everyone could say, well,
why not because he's among those guys and his record,
but I just don't see it. And what the leverage
(43:02):
the forty nine ers have is that that fourth year?
In other words, he's done three years of a seventh
round contract, which is peanuts. He's still got a year
left on that. Now, are the forty niners going to
make him play for a million dollars since fourth year?
Speaker 5 (43:19):
No?
Speaker 15 (43:20):
But are they going to offer him fifty five million dollars?
Speaker 7 (43:23):
No?
Speaker 15 (43:25):
So I guess I'm looking at it as party's going
to make a decision. Do I play for a million
dollars or do I play for a contract averaging pick
a number thirty million dollars, thirty five million dollars, forty
million dollars? And am I really going to push for
fifty million dollars. So that's the leverage the forty nine
(43:48):
ers have. It's you got a year left at a
million dollars, so you turn down or offer. That's what
you're looking at.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
Can they use the elbow injury even if they think
everything's going to be fine. Can they use it against
him like you would maybe an arbitration in Major League Baseball?
Speaker 15 (44:04):
It's tough, you know, obviously tough to negotiate that way
and talk about injuries. But it will be a factor
if we're looking at it affecting next season. If this
comes back as nerve damage, that can be lingering or
whatever the word is into next season. Yes, absolutely, it's
(44:26):
like someone coming off a knee injury. You're not going
to do a huge contract based on that.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
What do you think Sam Donald's market looks like.
Speaker 15 (44:35):
Different than party because of what I just said. He's
a free agent. He's a free agent, so there's no
extra year that they can negotiate off like the forty
nine ers can. So now we're talking a different market
and just forget about numbers. I think Darnold will make
more than perty because of contract status. Yeah, the Vikings
(45:01):
will try to sign him, but they won't be the
only ones. So now you've got leverage, Now you've got teams.
Now you've got something that is so rare in the NFL,
productive quarterbacks on the market. When does that happen? Never?
So I think his market is strong, extremely strong. And
(45:23):
this idea of trading JJ McCarthy's you don't trade a
number one pick that hasn't played. That won't happen. But
if the Vikings retain him, it's then it's the discussion,
the discussion we had in Green Bay for every you know,
for for Rogers and for love, Like, what's the time
If you're JJ McCarthy's agent, are you are you going
(45:45):
to accept two years guaranteed for Donald? You don't have
anything to say about it, but are you going to
accept three years guaranteed for Donald? That's a long time.
That would be four years of waiting. So we'll see
what happens. They've got to deal with a lot in
Minnesota once they get past the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
Kind of on the flip side of things, I know
it's only two years in, but there's not a lot
of good coming from Indianapolis with someone like Anthony Richardson
But again, when you're drafting a player like that, you
and the limited experience he had coming into the NFL,
what sort of window do you give a quarterback like that?
(46:22):
If you're Indianapolis, especially if your backup plan right now
is in aging Joe Flacco, who's on the couch for
most of last season, what do you do if you're
the Colts in your young quarterback.
Speaker 15 (46:33):
Well, you don't cut them, you don't trade them, but
you do have a better backup plan than what you
just talked about on the couch. You have a serious
backup plan. You have a serious player that can come
in there. And I don't know who that is. That's
a long way off. But you're not talking about a
stop gap anymore in a place like Indianapolis. You're not
(46:55):
talking about a Flacco type. You're talking about a real option,
and you're not giving up on Richardson of course, you know,
it's like what I heard about Bryce Young an early
part of this year. No, you don't give up on
number one picks this early, but you better have an option. No,
it's not like in Cleveland as well, and that's a
(47:16):
whole other situation. But they're not going into Cleveland next
year again with these sort of retread backups anymore, they're
going with a real option, so it's going to be
interesting with those teams.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
He's the one only Andrew Brandt, of course.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
He's a former executive with the Packers, the host the
Business Sports podcast and the DraftKings Network, and the author
of these Sunday seven newsletter that you can sign up
for on his social media pages. Andrew, Happy New Year
to you, Thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 15 (47:46):
Thanks you guys having new year.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Doug Gottlie Dan Byer in for Dan Dannett's Jay stew
I think you had another say what for us?
Speaker 8 (47:55):
I just want to continue our gifts for the listeners
throughout the show today. I want to play sound own
from the Year in Sports in twenty twenty four and.
Speaker 7 (48:03):
It's a bit uh. We like to call this.
Speaker 8 (48:07):
Waiting man, they said, what. I think that's a pretty
good intro. In fact, I like it a lot. We
might have to institute it on our daily show, The
Doug gott Weep Show. So the second bit of sound
I want to say, and I don't want to speak
for Dan here, but I think it's his favorite from
the year. Dan was the one who was watching the
(48:28):
off season Hard Knocks up close, and of course this
exchange with Joel Shane and John Mara about Saquon Barkley
really stood out right.
Speaker 7 (48:38):
What's the latest still.
Speaker 15 (48:40):
On the I just got a text that Chicago's driving
the price.
Speaker 10 (48:44):
Up and Philly's out. I don't know if that's true or.
Speaker 7 (48:45):
Not, which I don't know.
Speaker 10 (48:48):
If that, I'll make a couple of calls.
Speaker 15 (48:49):
I don't even know if that's gonna gonna happen, but I.
Speaker 10 (48:52):
Have a tough time sleep.
Speaker 8 (48:53):
And if si Quand goes to philampe the outside of that,
as I've told you, just being up.
Speaker 12 (48:57):
I had been around enough players, but he's the most
popular player we have by far.
Speaker 4 (49:05):
So good.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
So here's I just again. I mean John Marrow was
telling him right there, just get this thing done, right,
I mean everyone heard it at the time. Just get
this thing done.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Stop.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
You can explain all you want about years and whatever,
just get this thing done. And remember Saquon Barkley, who's
got a chance to set the all time single season
rushing mark.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
He only left for a million dollars more.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
The whole contract is a million dollars more, which signifies
two things. One you know, the Giants weren't willing to go, Hey,
whatever you do, we'll offer you more money. And then
two uh he was it was. It became petty at
the end. It became it became an ego thing.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
It's interesting because I I don't it's not the exact opposite,
but I look at it from a different angle and
I I'm glad we played that sound because it's not
the pile on Joe Shane. It's actually to applaud Joe
Shane and the entire Giants organization for doing this. And
I don't know if the NFL forced him to do it,
(50:14):
but I don't know if a team will ever do
it again. I hope they do. I hope we get
access like that because it actually shows what goes on
in these scenarios. I would have loved to have heard
the conversations of the Atlanta Falcons. And now we look
at the quarterback situation and we see Michael Pennix has
taken over, But imagine what those conversations would have been.
(50:35):
Joe Shane may have been wrong, but I just feel
that his handicap was wrong, like in terms of Seguon Barkley,
and we've discussed this, and many others have discussed it
as well. Seguon Barkley was not going to do what
he did in Philadelphia in New York this year. That
was not going to happen, and so you have these
like sequence of events where then the Giants are like,
(50:58):
let's go and get your weapon, Daniel Jones. They get
them a leak Neighbors that actually hits. They wanted to
go cheap in the running back market. Turns out Tyrone
Tracy was pretty good for him. They had a bunch
of injuries on the offensive line that they tried to
four to five as part of the hard knocks that
we found out there were a bunch of pieces they
could get. They lost their left tackle Andrew Thomas for
(51:19):
the season. So it just didn't work out for the
Giants and it very likely could cost them all their jobs.
Brian Dable, Joe Shane the whole deal and what was
a make or break year. But sometimes those things happen,
and I'm so grateful that we got to look at it.
So I don't want to make it seem like we're
piling on Joe Shane, because it gave us insight into
what a general manager actually has to decide.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
And to add on to that is, let's also be honest,
it looks really bad right now. There's just no you know,
I mean, the Raiders have a running back who's you know,
Tom Telesco gets that job late. And the Raiders had
already kind of been a dude a running back who's
having a heck of a year in Green Bay. The
(52:01):
Packers had Aaron Jones who's having a heck of a
year in Minnesota, and of course saque Barker. And this
was all the talk of last year leading up to
the season. But remember the fight, from these general managers'
perspective and from the league's perspective.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Was not over one year.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
It was all of these guys wanted essentially three years guaranteed,
and the likelihood that they're anywhere near as productive in
year two and year three is minimal. It just is
that was the real that's the real gamble here. There
was never and this is what I hate about headlines
(52:38):
and some reporting in our business, which is they you
either want or don't want somebody. The Giants wanted Saquon Barkley,
they just never wanted to give him a three year
guaranteed deal just didn't because he's been injured a lot,
you know, So I just I Let's let's see how
it ultimately plays out. But right now, yes, it looks
(53:00):
like words that end up causing you to get fired
because of this one decision
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