December 6, 2025 • 43 mins
Lane Kiffin made a mess out of his exit from Ole Miss and DP takes him to task about adding fuel to the fire of criticism against him. NBA insider Brian Windhorst drops by to break down the trade rumors surrounding Giannis Antetokounmpo and the abrupt release of Chris Paul from the Clippers. And Dan thinks we will eventually consider LeBron James to be the best basketball player of all time after his likely unbreakable 1,297 game double-digit scoring streak ended when he passed up the final shot and grabbed an assist instead.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We start off with Lane Kiffin leaving Old Miss for LSU.
I don't think anybody's surprised at this, and he has
his reasons why, but he did want to stay on.
And there's varying reports here, and I want to make
sure that we're being fair to both sides here. But
you know, they're getting ready to prepare for the college
football playoffs, probably going to have a home game, and
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he wanted to stay on, but he also wants to
take some of the coaching staff and reportedly wants to
poach some of the players. Now, the players, I understand
if they came to Old Miss for Lane Kiffin and
may want to play for him at LSU. As far
as these coaches go, they may want to go. Maybe
a few of them were on the private plane yesterday.
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Old Miss owes Lane kiffen gratitude for the wins, but
once he walks out the door, they don't know him
anymore than just that he did a great job there.
I don't think anybody is denying, but he made this
a public mess, and that's the problem I had with this.
You were kind of toying with the situation. You were
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toying with Old Miss, you were toying with these kids,
you were toying with your fan base. You know, you
could have waited. We could have waited till you know,
you beat Mississippi State and say, I'd love to coach
this team. But he's already said this team, these teams
that Old Miss can't win a national title because money
wasn't the issue. He said he spoke to God. Now
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I don't know if God is Nick Saban. Maybe he
did speak to God, but I was thinking maybe he
spoke to Nick Saban, and Saban said, yes, it's time
to take the next step, my son. You know, Laine
is going to chase the rest of his life. And
once again, I go back to that documentary, the many
lives of Blaine Kiffen and everything that I thought I
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would like to rethink because it seemed like he had
found happiness. And but I don't know if he knows
what happiness is. He keeps moving, keeps moving, keeps smoving.
I don't begrudge anybody who wants to take another job
to make more money, whatever it is, but I want
you to be honest. I want you to be fair
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to Old Miss. They did give you an opportunity here,
and now you want to take coaches with you. Hey,
but I want to stay and coach. Can I do that?
And then maybe privately I'll talk to some of these
players who might want to join me at LSU. No, leave,
you don't want to stay. You can't win a national championship.
You've said that you can at LSU. And look, my
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college football source said last night, Lane will win at LSU.
I don't think anybody has ever denied his coaching ability
and the talent in a three hour radius of bat
Rouge is probably unquestionably the most talented area, most fertile
college football area in America. He'll win, He'll win, and
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then where does he go from there? Does he wait
till the Alabama job is open? I mean, we've seen
this before, so you can't sit there and go. You know,
he'll retire at LSU. He will not retire at LSU.
It wasn't money, So what was it to win a
national championship? Okay, we saw how that worked before this
with Brian Kelly. Now he'll work harder than Brian Kelly did.
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But you know, I felt bad for Old Miss because
you're just waiting. And I think we all agreed when
we left on Wednesday he was going to take LSU,
So none of this is a surprise. I think how
it played out was the disappointing part of this. But
you go, that's your team now, You're not going to
coach this team, not anymore. We'll get to your phone
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calls coming up, yes, Paulie.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I think one thing that stood out to me the
past month is Lane Kiffen was pursued like he hadn't
been pursued since like fifteen years ago when he was
a hot property, and he wanted his cake and eat
it too. He wanted the Lshu job, more money for him,
more money for his program to build. But he also
wanted to coach ole Miss through the playoffs, and it's
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it's so irreasonable to do that. But I think he
was so in bold in the past month that I
want my cake and eat it too. I want to
coach and leave and poach and take and do it
all because I'm at the peak again.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And I was surprised when he had comments that, hey,
I wanted to coach him, Like, you're not a victim here, Lane,
You created all of this. You didn't want to coach
these kids. Now you could have. You could be coaching
and you're in the college football players. You're probably going
to host a game, You're going to go to n
last year, going to be another coach at LSU. You
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could have been the coach at Old Miss, and maybe
that doesn't matter to you. Like, I don't know how
important your legacy is, because I think your legacy is
damaged certainly because this. We move on from all of this.
I know that we do this no matter what the
story is. We'll move on and then we'll reflect back
in four years and go, oh, yeah, Lane's leaving. Where's
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he gone? Oh yeah, that's right, he left. I mean,
I've been around long long enough to know we do
move on from all of this. But I do think
he'll be successful. I don't think anybody questions that. But
in the manner in which he departed, that was sad
and embarrassed for Lane Kiffin. Here is Lane Kiffin. He
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had an interview with Marty Smith just off the tarmac.
He should know to stay away from that damn tarmac.
Here is Lane on why he chose LSU overall Miss.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
My heart was here, but I just you know, I
talked to some mentors, Coach Carroll, coach Saban know, and
especially when coach Carrol Saven your dad would tell you
to go, man, take the shot, you know, take the
shot if you accomplished a lot here. I always felt
I always hated how we only gave one year to
Tennessee and left. I really hated that feeling of that,
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you know, even though it was exciting year. But you know,
I think that we gave a lot to this program
and to the city, and you know, some of those
historic wins in this stadium they've ever had in best
best regular season in the history of the school. So
I feel proud of that part. But it just became time,
you know. I talked to God and to me, it's
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time to take a new step. It's a new chapter.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Okay. Uh. I just wish he would have been honest
and just said, look, I'm going to LSU. I feel
like it's a better opportunity for what my goals are
and my family.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Thank you for your support, you know, I wish you
the best of luck. I wish I was coaching because
I love these kids and we've had a great season,
but look, that's not fair to you, not fair to LSU,
and then leave. But don't be toying around, you know,
tick staff, you know, and this is a bigger problem
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for college football. Could you imagine. Let's say Mike McDaniel
got fired with the Dolphins and Mike Tomlin took the
job right now in season. That's what we have here,
a coach going to the playoffs quitting to go to
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another school. The college football's created all of this mess. Remember,
the kids were screwing it up. Now it's the grown
ups who screw it up. The kids are just kind
of waiting for the other shoe to drop here. These
are all the chancellors and presidents and athletic directors. They're
the ones that screw it up. The coaches.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, Paully, remember a decade ago when we were angry
that Christian McCaffrey skipped the sunball or like he's not
playing an exhibition sunball, he's not finishing in the season.
We got a coach who's going to the playoffs with
a team that doesn't go to the playoffs, will miss
that often and he leaves. It's surreal that.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Fette Leonard Fournette, Yeah, he sat out a game. Oh
my god, what are you doing to the pageantry of
a bull game? No, nobody wants to play in the
Sun Bowl. Well, hey, oh man, you know teams are
going to hold this against Christy McCaffrey. Oh really, yeah,
you know may he quit on his team. Okay, all right,
this is a coach who quit on his team. Like literally,
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he quit on his team and go into LSU. There's
a lot of opinions out there, but Lane is not
a victim. Not a victim. He'll play a victim. Man.
I wanted to coach them, You wanted to coach them,
But did you want to bring some of your assistant
coaches with you to LSU? Did you want to bring
some of your players with you to LSU? Now I
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would say, hey, Lane, you can you can coach, but
you can't take any of our players in any of
our coaches. Okay, you sign a contract, let's say a
million dollars for each player in each coach that leaves
that you'll pay us back. How about that? How about
we get lawyers who draw up real good contracts to
protect schools. What was the buyout for Lane Kiffin at
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Old Miss four million? Yeah? And if he got fired,
what was he going to get paid? Thirty six million
something crazy like that. That seems out of balance here.
Four million is nothing, Yes, Marvin, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
There's gonna be some type of kiff And rule implemented.
I don't know whether it's gonna be you can't take
these amount of players or you can't try to pick
off our coaches in the middle of the season. But
some type of kiff And rule they'll try to. I
don't know if they'll succeed, but they'll try to implement
it in new coaches contracts.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
Yes, Todd, anything less than a championship with LSU, How
does that affect the decision when we look back on
him leaving All Miss, does he have to win at
least one title in LSU?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Even if he does, I mean great, I mean got
a lot of talent. You're gonna have more talent year
in and year out than you did at Ole Miss.
He should win. I mean three other coaches won national
titles there, so you're gonna be another coach who wins
the national title there. Okay, but money wasn't the issue.
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And if it's talent, good, we wish you the best.
But the way he left is the problem. It's the
problem right now with him. It's a bigger problem with
college football. What's the poll question? First, Dowur Dylan, all.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Right, we got a couple options, Dan from Paulie.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
If you're the Ole Miss ad, would you have let
Lane coach throughout the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yes? Or no?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Okay, Yeah, Paul I'm gonna say a hard no on
that would even consider it. But when you brought up
the idea of some type of contract where he couldn't
take assistant coaches and couldn't take players under that umbrella,
I could consider it, but it would still be such
a bad look.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
No, you can't do it. Can't do it. Does anybody
think that Laye Kiffin should have been able to coach
Ole Miss in the playoffs? No? Yeah, ton I agree.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
That it's a very bad look, But I could also
sell it by saying, you know, we went this far,
we're having this amazing season. We owe it to the
players to see it through. I hate seeing that he's
still in his own misk gear and he's already agreed
to coach somewhere else arrival in the SEC.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
But you know he's leaving.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
Why don't we get the most out of him, and
you know, he's got this relationship with the players. Let's
see how far we can go and then good riddings
after that.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
But and I said this on Wednesday, I don't want
the college football Playoff Committee to then punish these players
and this team and hey, you don't have your head coach.
We've seen this with quarterbacks who haven't been able to
play and then all of sudden their team, you know,
is lowered as far as the rankings go, or they
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don't even make the playoffs. I get that Lane Kiffin
gives you a better chance, but I can't. I would
rather go in with my now ell a defensive coordinator,
and our team and we're playing and it's the people
who want to be here. I can't have this. You know,
Michigan basketball did this with Bill Frieder Steve Fisher, you
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know both. Sham Beckler famously said I want a Michigan
guy coaching Michigan. And you can take a hard stance
on this. I mean, I try to be adaptable. I
mean I try to mature with all the things that
are happening, and back in my day it's easy to
say that, but this is this was just unfortunate and
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sad how this played out, but it certainly sounded like
Lane was whippy on the tarmac and made it seem
like he was a victim and he's not.
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We bring in Brian Winhorns to the Mothership. ESPN Senior
NBA writer. How did we get to this point? Ryan?
With Jannis and the Bucks?
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Not one hundred percent sure where we are because one
of the things that I've been talking to the league
executive types about in the last twenty four hours is
do we think that this time the honest will actually
go all the way and formally say it's time to
trade me, because he's rattled the saber before. And you know,
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one of the more fascinating stories that came out of
this whole summer, and it didn't come out in the summer.
It came out in October and Schamstrania, my colleague at
the HASPN, reported it. But in August Jannis talked to
the Bucks and different people can use different verbs here,
and I'm not trying to like step on anybody, but
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he showed an interest in wanting to be on the
New York Knicks, and to the point where the Knicks
and the Bucks had trade talks. And I know what
Doc River said yesterday, said Giannis didn't ask to be traded. Okay,
he may not have said those words, I promise you
the Bucks it wasn't their idea, okay. And I know
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that it caught the Knicks by surprise, Dan. And you
know how I know, because like two weeks before, they
signed Mikhale Bridges to a contract extension, a really good
contract extension, nice one. And it's not that they wouldn't
have signed him or that they absolutely were going to
trade him in that deal. But once you signed him
to that you can't trade them for six months. So
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if you were thought you were about to potentially enter
a very important negotiation, you wouldn't take one of those
guys off the table. So I think it caught the
Knicks off guard too, And so what I think happened
was it was Yannis's idea, Now you can bring people
on here and have them testify or whatever. It's fine.
The talks took place, okay, And the important thing is
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Jannis watched what the Bucks did over the summer, which
was due to this crazy move. It was a two
hundred million dollar move. They cut Dame, making one hundred
million dollars in dead money, and then they signed Miles
Turner for one hundred million. So they took one hundred
million dollar problem, which was a player in his thirties
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recovered from Achilles, and they made it a two hundred
dollars investment for a Miles Turner, who is a quality player,
just helped the team to get to the finals and excellent,
a high quality role player, but not a star player.
He saw those moves and then he said, I have
some interest in becoming a Nick. Okay, So that happened,
and it didn't come out until October, and at that
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point Yanis they signed his two brothers, you know, and
Yannis was playing for the Bucks and everything, but like
that was a real indication of what y where Yannis's
head was at. Here's the other thing. Jannis's family moved
to Greece. If you know anything about Yiannis, the family
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is extraordinarily important to him. It's one of the reasons
why the Bucks have signed his two brothers, because they
know how important it is to have his family with him.
That he said his fair and he might have had
ten reasons to send his family to Greece. But again,
these are actions that you're looking at going you know.
So what the league is wondering is knowing what happened
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in the summer, knowing about the other stuff, knowing that
the team is not doing well, although they had their
best win of the year last night they beat the
Pistons without Yannis. Will Jannis actually go forward and say, Okay,
I wanted to because I because I don't think the
Bucks are going to get there Dan, because the Bucks
are so mortgaged and so deeply invested in keeping him,
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and I actually don't blame them, and so That's really
what the question is will Yannis take the next step
besides the saber rattling that he's done before.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Why the Knicks?
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Good question? You know, he he really you know, in
all of the on all of the discussions from Jannis
and from John Horst, their general manager and doc, no
one denied that those talks took place. The Knicks certainly
didn't deny it. And I thought, I know that they happened.
And you know, I will say that if you were
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in a vacuum choosing where to go, you would want
to go to the Eastern Conference. You know, I think
you know, you know you we want to stay East.
And so if you looked at the Eastern Conference and
you said, well, where would I want to be as
a player, where do I think I can you know,
make a big impact? Where could we win right away?
Like New York rises to the top. You can make
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some cases for some other teams, you know, Miami for example,
you know, maybe Atlanta, maybe Boston. All that that type
of trade would be a lot more complicated. But like
you know, if you go through that process, I could
see how you know, Toronto would be as it would
be an interesting team. Now that's actually kind of an
interesting team because you know, you know, national players seem
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to like Toronto. But I think, you know, in August,
I think New York made some sense, and it may
not have made some sense from what the Knicks were
in position to trade at the time. And I certainly
don't think the Bucks were motivated to do it, like
they probably wanted everything the Knicks could possibly offer before
they would even get mildly interested. But that's the other
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question is if Jannis does so that There's really three
questions that have been involved on my phone for the
last twenty four hours. One will Jannis actually go to
the point where he says I want to be traded
because he hasn't gotten to that point yet or before. Two,
if he does get traded, will the list be longer
than the Knicks than it was just a one team
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thing over the summer? And Three, if Jannis has a list,
let's say there's three teams, let's say there's six teams. Whatever,
do the Bucks have to do business with just his list?
Because he does have one year left on his contract
plus a player option, so next year you'd be faced
with having Giannis in a walk year. So typically in
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that situation, you would if you were trading for a guy,
you'd want to know he is staying, especially if you're
given a lot of stuff for him. But it's funny, Dan,
As I've talked to people in the league, people don't
necessarily think that would necessarily be true with Yannis. So
I'm not sure. But those are the three questions and
the topics that are going around the league right now.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I'm guessing Brunson would be off limits with the Knicks.
That'd be the only guy that'd be on limits.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
I would advise them. I haven't. I don't have insight
on I don't have insight on that, but I would
do so. The challenge with the Knicks is they really
don't have meaningful draft assets to give. Some of these
other teams we could mention have their own draft picks,
and other teams draft picks that they can offer. The
Knicks don't have draft picks, so you would have to
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make it a player based trade. And here's the thing
about the Bucks that's important to understand the Bucks, and
this is this sort of backs up why they've double
triple qul drippled down. They don't control I think their
next three or four drafts, they've either traded the pick
away or they've traded the swap away. Certainly this year
and next year, I know for sure. I think even
twenty eight too. And so when you're in that position,
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you really can't enter into a trade thinking, well, we're
going to rebuild because you don't control your pick. And
there's a few teams in the NBA right now who
are in bad shape but don't control their pick, and
they're in hell, and so Milwaukee would probably have if
they you know, Milwaukee's probably doesn't want this to happen
at all, but if they get to the poor where
they have to trade them, they're probably going to look
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to make a player based trade or the draft asks
that that they're going to get are going to be
third party teams. In other words, if you do a
team with if you do a deal with the team
that you're trading Yiannis to and you're getting their picks
for the next couple of years, that's not that exciting
because that team stayed going to be good. If that
team has a third team's picks, yeah, you'd be interested
in that so that it doesn't rely on your performance
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or that team with Giannis's performance. But now you're threading
a needle. So that's another reason why New York would
make some sense. They have some players that the Bucks
could get that would help them retrofit their team.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Right now, I'm talking to Brian Winhorst, ESPN, senior NBA writer,
help me understand the Chris Paul situation of why it
had to happen on the road in Atlanta.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Well, that seems crazy, you know. And one of the
things that Lawrence Frank, So, first off, Laurence Frank had
this prescotfe it's yesterday, the general manager of the President.
I think it's the president is its title. And first off,
he said, put all the blame on me, which maybe
Lawrence wanted to do it, but I promise you it
was not only him who wanted to do it, but
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doing it the way they did it. He said that
they made the decision on Sunday. Dan, Okay, let's just
let's just take that for the truth. Why was he
in Miami on Monday. They're starting a long road trip,
and you know, Lawrence explained that the reason this happened
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in the middle of the night was because their flight
was delayed by five hours, which it was. They didn't
land in Atlanta Airport until nine thirty. You know how
long it is to get from Atlanta Airport to downtown.
It doesn't take five minutes. They met at eleven o'clock.
In the meeting went several hours. So why do you
do it at eleven o'clock? You know, I don't you know?
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So like the actual functionality of the way they handled
it is wretched. The decision. You've been around sports for
a long time. When you have a player who is
very vocal, who all of a sudden has a small role,
it doesn't work. Chris Paul's whole career, he's been very vocal.
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He's been vocal with the officials. He's been vocal with
his coach, the opposing coach. He's been vocal with the
opposing star player, with his star play, with his role players.
Imagine what he says off the court. You can just
see what he says on the court. And when you're
the star player and the point guard and you're playing
all eighty two games and your team is competing for
conference titles or whatever, that's one thing. When you're doing
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that and the team is sinking and you're of a
much smaller role. It doesn't work. I knew this twenty
years ago when I started the NBA. This is a
bit of a classic case situation. And you could say, well,
then why the Clippers bring him in knowing that he
would have a small role and that this was possible.
That's fair, And I would just say that of the
Clippers miscalculations this season, it's on the list. But there's
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a long list of Clippers miscalculations so far.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
When do you feel like we'll get a true sense
of Lebron's role with the Lakers? If is he a
third option now? And you know, I guess the future
of how long does he want to play, feel like
he can play and being a maybe a third option
for the Lakers and what role that plays.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
It's an interesting set of circumstances that's happened because I
thought Lebron was awesome last year. He was second team
All NBA. I thought he looked great. You know, the
Lakers had a disappointing end of the season. There was
a bad matchup for them with Minnesota, but I thought
that they really achieved in the regular season. They got
the three seed. I mean, I know the difference between
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the three and the six was really tight, but they
got it. And you know, people were saying to me,
why do you think this is it for Lebron, and
I'm like, no, like, look at him. He's still one
of the top ten to fifteen players in the league.
And then a couple of things happened. First off, he
had two injuries dan So he sprained his knee in
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the last playoff game against the Wolves. In fact, had
they extended that series, I don't know if he could
have played. He missed training, he was out for weeks.
He's never missed a playoff game. In all twenty years
in the playoffs, he's never missed a playoff game. I'm
not sure you'd been able to play in the next game.
So he had this knee injury. Then he hits the sciatica,
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so he has the most injured offseason he's ever had,
which maybe isn't a surprise at age forty, but it's
still completely new. Also, they get Luca, so Lebron was
already having a great season. Lebron played well when Luca
after Luca got there, but the Luca thing happens. Then
he has the injuries. Okay, so these are two things
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that we've never seen. We've never seen him not be
the A one A guy on his team. We've never
seen him have off season injuries before. Then his team
without him plays really really well. Absolutely never happened. Maybe
his team has been able to keep their nose above
water when he's been out, whether it's been for a
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week or a month, they've never achieved. You've never looked
at a team that has missed Lebron for multiple games
have gone Man, they're doing great. And Austin Reeves is
having a career year. So you've got this series of
circumstances that he's never experienced before, not to mention not
getting able to start a season, not having to have
a training camp. So we are in completely unknown territory
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for him. It would be unknown territory if any one
of those things was true. Now the whole menu is true.
And by the way, he rejoins the team as the
number one score in the history of the league, where
the two guys on his team are in the top
ten in scoring, Reeves and Luca are like one in nine.
I don't have and checked it today. Maybe Reeves has
dropped a little bit, but when he came back, I
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think they were one in eight. So you're asking, you're
this is a completely different situation he's ever done, and
the team's winning, you know, you're not coming in and boy,
the team's struggling, and now you got so I think
he is absolutely in a little bit of the deep
end of the pool that he's never been in before.
I mean, how long has it been since Lebron's been
in a situation that he hasn't not only seen but mastered.
(27:22):
So this is awkward and he's showing his age. You know.
The other night in that game was really a game
where I really looked thought Lebron looked like an older
player for the first time where he wasn't getting left.
I mean he had no rebounds, no steals, no blocks.
That's never happened in twenty three years, thousands of games.
(27:43):
So you're asking a really relevant question. I don't think
anybody knows. I think he's going through this day to
day trying to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Would you be more surprised if he played another year
or he retired at the end of this year?
Speaker 5 (27:58):
I am. I thought, you know, even as recently as
last spring, he has years left. I was not entertaining
that this was going to be it regardless of the
contract which has That's also something he's never experienced before,
but is not really relevant. I don't think that's affecting
his day to day now. I'm just I'm just in
(28:22):
the middle of I don't know, and I know it's
an unsatisfactory answer, and I think Lebron has pretty much
said the same thing he said, I don't know. I
think Rich Paul, his agent, has said I don't know.
I don't know. But that's that's a departure from me
because I was in the camp of this guy could
Tom Bradiot like I mean, and he still could Tom Bradiot,
But if you watched him play last year, there's no
way you said that's a guy about to retire.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Wendy, thank you. I know you're busy. Thanks for joining UKST.
Have a good day, Brian Windhorst.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
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Speaker 2 (29:02):
Lebron ninety seven games where he scored in double digits.
He's getting a lot of credit because three seconds to
go he had a chance. He had the ball in
his hands and he drove and kicked out to ruy
Hani Murra. Easy for me to say, that's ruey Hadchi Mura.
Is that right, Marvin? That is correct? Okay, thank you.
(29:25):
He kicked it out for him. He hit the three
and they ended up winning the game.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yes, poet, I'm kind of glad the streak ended because
I didn't know he had that streak. It's not like
public knowledge. And I saw that last time, like, oh
my god, that's nuts. Not to have one game where
you just not just off night, but like Hammy in
the second half, cramp up, leave, that's really nutty.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Well, the previous game he had to go right down
to the wire, staying in a game getting blown out
to try to get to ten points.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
Yes, Mormon, the last time he scored under ten points,
Mike Tomlin wasn't the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Nice. I don't know if the IP had been invented.
I think Cooper Flagg was only two weeks old. It's
been a long time there. And yeah, we're going to
look at Lebron the totality of his career, and it'll
be hard to argue that that's not the best player
of all time. And I still go back, and I
(30:18):
don't want to get into the argument. I just want
to point this out again. If I'm an owner of
a team and I get Mike and I'm going to
get him for let's say thirteen years, or I'm going
to get Lebron for twenty one to twenty two years.
As a businessman, I'm going to take twenty one twenty
two years at a really high level. And I think
(30:38):
he was second team All NBA last year. Now has
he fallen off? Yes, I don't know how healthy he is,
but has not looked good some of the shots that
he's taken that you would think that he would make,
or getting to the hoop, he just doesn't look very
comfortable out there. And plus I think he's trying to
find himself with this off. When you're watching that game,
(31:02):
you're watching and you're going, Okay, Austin Reeves is going
to get his shots. Luca's not there, I think birth
of his second child. But so you know, Lebron's trying
to figure out how does he fit in with this team?
And I think that's what's going to be fascinating to
watch because they were a good team when Lebron wasn't playing,
(31:23):
and now that he's back, his job that I think
is to blend in and not say I'm back. Everything
goes through me.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
Yes, Mark, But don't you think Lebron would announce his
last season before the season started so he can get
the farewell tour a La Kobe Kareem Abdul Jabbarg, Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yes, I would think that he would, but he might
not know or didn't plan on this being his last year.
You might find out during the season. Damn, I don't
want to go. I don't know if I could play
another game or another season I should say. But yes,
I don't think he went into this season feeling like
(32:02):
this is my last one, because he's probably thinking I
get a full year with Luca and I like our
chances here.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yeah, Paul, I would just looking at the standings and quietly.
These thunder are twenty one and one. They're winning their
games by fifteen and a half points. They've got sixty
games left. They would have to go what forty forty
eight wins out of the next sixty games to set
the all time record.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, but I don't want the all time record if
I'm okay.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
See, they may stumble into it by the math of
it twenty one and one.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, but I don't. I would not set that as
the goal. The goal is to win another title, not
to have the best regular season record if you happen
to get that, Okay, But I've seen that when you
know Golden State, you put all your efforts into it
and then all of a sudden. Now granted it took
a heroic effort for you know, Cleveland to beat them,
But the regular season, as Greg Popovich has pointed out
(32:59):
many many times, previous seasons doesn't mean anything. Just get
to the postseason and win a title, yes, Mark, But.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
If you could kill two birds with one stone and
win seventy four games, you would do it, right.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I just I don't want to tax my team. I
want to win championships. That's it's all I care about.
I don't care you know how many wins were going
to have, yes, Mark.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
But they're mollywopping the competition. So it's not like they're
winning a bunch of games by one point the other.
Jalen Williams is getting a bunch of run because they're
beating these teams by fifteen twenty points every night.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I know, I know, yeah, Pauling.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
I went back to the fifteen sixteen season to look
at the Warriors. They started twenty four and oh. The
twenty fourth win was at Boston, double overtime, and then
the next night in a back to back where they
had to go to Milwaukee, they lost by ten points,
and when they were twenty four and one, that was
their first loss.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, I remember, you know when the Lakers won thirty
three in a row and you put so much effort
into that. That was it's like nineteen seventy two. But
you know, you have to win every game and just
I think it taxes these teams trying to do that,
and you know, go back to Golden State. They got
caught up. They were going to pass the bulls. They
(34:13):
were going to win seventy three. Didn't win the title
that year, And really that's when everybody says, oh, how
many did they win? All they won?
Speaker 9 (34:20):
That?
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Did they win the title? That's all I care about.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Yes, Marvin, it's all good because Oklahoma City, they're all
under twenty five years old anyway, so they're young legs.
They have eighteen draft picks coming up all in the lottery.
They're good for the next five years.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Paul in Center City. Paul, where is Center City?
Speaker 10 (34:40):
Center City is north of the Twin Cities, about forty minutes.
It's called Center City because they're in this between Chicago
Lakes and the border Minnesota, Wisconsin, Taylor's Falls and Saint
Croix Falls. All right, So hey, first time sometime six
to one twenty five. I keep seeing these field goals
(35:05):
being made so easily, and Aubrey looks like he's just
meting chip shots. And I know you guys have talked
about this him and anyone suggested bringing the hashes back
to what they used to be. Why they ever brought
them together? I never liked. And you bring them out
and get rid of the caball. I think it's going
to add at least another dimension of strategy and harder.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Well, college they have those hash marks out so wide,
and these are college kickers, the pros. They made it easier.
This is what we were talking about earlier this morning.
What if you raised the crossbar three feet Therefore, these
sixty yard field goals, now that affects them. But you know,
once again, we're getting back to penalizing somebody for being great.
(35:50):
We are trying to penalize the Eagles for being great
with the tush push. I just don't know if you
want to get into the practice of that, because it's like, hey,
they're really good. Nobody's doing that. When somebody's throwing fifty
touchdown passes. They don't say, you know what, we should
let the defense get away with something here. Nobody does that.
We just don't want games where it's a tush push
(36:12):
or it's going to be a field goal. You know,
the NFL's in the entertainment business. H Okay, here comes
another field goal. Although he is incredible with what he's doing,
but now it feels like, well, we don't want games
to be decided this way, but they've been decided this way.
Super Bowls have been decided this way. It just he's
(36:32):
really good at what he does and we don't like that.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeah, Pauling, I think it's though affecting the end of
games with the touchback. Now going to the thirty five.
If you're Dallas or a team with a high end kicker,
you need twenty five maybe thirty yards for a field goal.
That's not even in question. The NFL doesn't like when
things go awry like this, like the ten years ago
with the extra point, you raise up the crossbar three feet.
(36:57):
Now you've made fifty plus a lot harder and a
lot less easy wins at the end for a field
goal kicker.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah. I just don't like penalizing somebody who's great at
what they do. I mean, did we say, man, Steph
Curry's ruining the NBA, we need to move the three
point shot back even further? I mean it, Brandon Aubrey
has mastered this and should be given credit for that. Yeah.
Speaker 11 (37:23):
Yeah, I kind of feel like we have talked about
how the three pointer is ruining the game and it
needs to be addressed.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah, but what do you do. Are you gonna move
it back and then you're gonna get even worse. You're
gonna get worse basketball because they're still gonna shoot the three.
But I can't penalize Steph Curry because he does this
better than anybody in history. It's like, oh, who wants
to see three pointers?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Yeah, Paul, And they really can't change a three point
line any further back than it is. If you look
at the corners, that corner spot, there's no room you
got like three feet or your heels are out of bounds.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Right, Well, you would have to extend it towards the
center core, right, you wouldn't. You can't do it on
the on the soide exactly.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
But that would make this shot almost oblong, where it's
two feet shorter from the sides than it would be
from the top of the key.
Speaker 11 (38:11):
And it actually makes it better for Steph and people
like him, where most people can't hit it, except for
like Steph Dame and like three other dudes who regularly shoot.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Them from that far. Anyway, Yeah, yeah, Paulin, we did
talk about it.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
I think it was just yesterday's sports history when they
lowered the pitcherre mount raised the pitcher mount, they raised
it right or they lowered. They lowered it to help
the offense, and that was a penalty for the pitchers.
It would be kind of similar if they did that
for the kickers.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Well, everything is supposed to be for the offense. Because
the leading hitter in nineteen sixty eight was three oh one,
So you only had one guy batting three hundred in
the American League. It was kr Yustremsky three oh one
won the batting title, but then they dropped it from
fifteen the mound fifteen inches down to ten inches and
(38:58):
then all of a sudden, offense flourished after that. Mike
and Wisconsin. Hi, Mike, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Abe?
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Hey Mike? Hello? Hi, hey Mike here.
Speaker 9 (39:11):
I've been meaning the call for a while, but lines
are busy. I'm a garbage man out here in Wisconsin,
and I got an IT team investigation already. Uh, I
already did all the research. If you go to September seventeenth,
last hour, last segment, Seaton agreed to take Penn State
to beat Oregon first rate ten.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Oh, okay, I'm gonna have to get the item on
that seat and do you owe us a spray tan?
According to Mike and Wisconsin, it's possible. It's possible.
Speaker 11 (39:43):
I don't remember that, but I'm not denying that it happened.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
We do have a lot of these bets, but they're
they I don't know. Mario I think writes them down.
He's supposed to, or he has before. So Mike will
check on that, and if so, seat, we'll get that
spray tand before the Oregon Penn State, Penn State, Yeah,
why would you have taken Penn State against a good team.
Speaker 11 (40:10):
Gotta admit I really have no idea. I mean it
sounds like something I would think was smart sports wise, but.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Let's see Nathan
in Kansas. Hi, Nathan, what's on your mind? Hey?
Speaker 12 (40:26):
DP, first time caller. I love the show six five
to sixty. Hey, I was going to run a college
football playoff format for you guys and get your opinion first.
It would take some oversight, which I think we all
agree needs to happen, but essentially, have ten team conferences
where everybody plays everybody in their conference, so there's no
(40:49):
more of the who would have, could have should have debates?
And then you double the conference championship game, take the
first the top two teams in that conference, and double
it as the college football playoff first round and have
six or seven, you know, ten team conferences.
Speaker 9 (41:08):
What do you guys think?
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Too much math for me on a Friday, Nathan, Gotta
be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Yes, Paul, Dan, the I team is scrambling to find
out what the bet from September with Seaton Oregon Penn
State was legit. I did look back and going into
that weekend. Penn State was the number three ranked team
in the country and Oregon was number six, and it
was a double overtime victory by Oregon. Man, that a
different world back then.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
You know, I probably could have too.
Speaker 11 (41:35):
They have a tight end that I like a lot,
Luke Reynolds. It's very possible that I would have been like,
oh yeah, I'll go with Penn State just for that guy.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
It's possible I could use a little a little color though,
touch ups. Yeah, heading into the holidays.
Speaker 11 (41:48):
Yeah well yeah, so yeah, I just got back from vacation.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, sell you in a maco to get that, uh
Sam and Los Angeles? Hi, Sam, Hi, good.
Speaker 13 (41:58):
Morning, Thanks for taking my call the first time, long time.
Speaker 12 (42:02):
Five seven, one sixty.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (42:06):
In the annals of crappers Crappersburg State football, the ones
were rumblings and movements in the operations.
Speaker 10 (42:14):
The head of operations.
Speaker 13 (42:15):
Police Koleno, scoped up video that he caught wind of.
It showed how an opponent's opponents shaped their practices using
a six person crew. This was turned over to the
governing body and that brought about stiff penalties that sanctioned
the opponents nil and scholarship fund. This incident was termed
(42:35):
crossis Gate.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
All right, thank you Sam Crappensburg State on that for sure. Yeah,
I'm not quite sure. I wasn't able to follow. Once again,
I'm a little drugged up today and it's a Friday.
So maybe Paul can decipher that. You're not a little
drugged up because it's a Friday. You're a little drugg
(42:59):
up because you're not feeling well and it happens to
be Friday. Yeah, yeah, right, that's what I think. It's
just medication Friday. Yeah, like, yes, we all get drugged
up on Fridays. No, no, not anymore. OK, Yes, Todd,
I don't think.
Speaker 7 (43:10):
Any of us are drugged up right now, but I
don't think any of us followed.
Speaker 5 (43:13):
A lot of them just transpire there.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Oh, thank you, Tod.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We start off with Lane Kiffin leaving Old Miss for LSU.
I don't think anybody's surprised at this, and he has
his reasons why, but he did want to stay on.
And there's varying reports here, and I want to make
sure that we're being fair to both sides here. But
you know, they're getting ready to prepare for the college
football playoffs, probably going to have a home game, and
(00:27):
he wanted to stay on, but he also wants to
take some of the coaching staff and reportedly wants to
poach some of the players. Now, the players, I understand
if they came to Old Miss for Lane Kiffin and
may want to play for him at LSU. As far
as these coaches go, they may want to go. Maybe
a few of them were on the private plane yesterday.
(00:48):
Old Miss owes Lane kiffen gratitude for the wins, but
once he walks out the door, they don't know him
anymore than just that he did a great job there.
I don't think anybody is denying, but he made this
a public mess, and that's the problem I had with this.
You were kind of toying with the situation. You were
(01:08):
toying with Old Miss, you were toying with these kids,
you were toying with your fan base. You know, you
could have waited. We could have waited till you know,
you beat Mississippi State and say, I'd love to coach
this team. But he's already said this team, these teams
that Old Miss can't win a national title because money
wasn't the issue. He said he spoke to God. Now
(01:31):
I don't know if God is Nick Saban. Maybe he
did speak to God, but I was thinking maybe he
spoke to Nick Saban, and Saban said, yes, it's time
to take the next step, my son. You know, Laine
is going to chase the rest of his life. And
once again, I go back to that documentary, the many
lives of Blaine Kiffen and everything that I thought I
(01:54):
would like to rethink because it seemed like he had
found happiness. And but I don't know if he knows
what happiness is. He keeps moving, keeps moving, keeps smoving.
I don't begrudge anybody who wants to take another job
to make more money, whatever it is, but I want
you to be honest. I want you to be fair
(02:16):
to Old Miss. They did give you an opportunity here,
and now you want to take coaches with you. Hey,
but I want to stay and coach. Can I do that?
And then maybe privately I'll talk to some of these
players who might want to join me at LSU. No, leave,
you don't want to stay. You can't win a national championship.
You've said that you can at LSU. And look, my
(02:38):
college football source said last night, Lane will win at LSU.
I don't think anybody has ever denied his coaching ability
and the talent in a three hour radius of bat
Rouge is probably unquestionably the most talented area, most fertile
college football area in America. He'll win, He'll win, and
(03:01):
then where does he go from there? Does he wait
till the Alabama job is open? I mean, we've seen
this before, so you can't sit there and go. You know,
he'll retire at LSU. He will not retire at LSU.
It wasn't money, So what was it to win a
national championship? Okay, we saw how that worked before this
with Brian Kelly. Now he'll work harder than Brian Kelly did.
(03:25):
But you know, I felt bad for Old Miss because
you're just waiting. And I think we all agreed when
we left on Wednesday he was going to take LSU,
So none of this is a surprise. I think how
it played out was the disappointing part of this. But
you go, that's your team now, You're not going to
coach this team, not anymore. We'll get to your phone
(03:49):
calls coming up, yes, Paulie.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I think one thing that stood out to me the
past month is Lane Kiffen was pursued like he hadn't
been pursued since like fifteen years ago when he was
a hot property, and he wanted his cake and eat
it too. He wanted the Lshu job, more money for him,
more money for his program to build. But he also
wanted to coach ole Miss through the playoffs, and it's
(04:12):
it's so irreasonable to do that. But I think he
was so in bold in the past month that I
want my cake and eat it too. I want to
coach and leave and poach and take and do it
all because I'm at the peak again.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And I was surprised when he had comments that, hey,
I wanted to coach him, Like, you're not a victim here, Lane,
You created all of this. You didn't want to coach
these kids. Now you could have. You could be coaching
and you're in the college football players. You're probably going
to host a game, You're going to go to n
last year, going to be another coach at LSU. You
(04:48):
could have been the coach at Old Miss, and maybe
that doesn't matter to you. Like, I don't know how
important your legacy is, because I think your legacy is
damaged certainly because this. We move on from all of this.
I know that we do this no matter what the
story is. We'll move on and then we'll reflect back
in four years and go, oh, yeah, Lane's leaving. Where's
(05:11):
he gone? Oh yeah, that's right, he left. I mean,
I've been around long long enough to know we do
move on from all of this. But I do think
he'll be successful. I don't think anybody questions that. But
in the manner in which he departed, that was sad
and embarrassed for Lane Kiffin. Here is Lane Kiffin. He
(05:32):
had an interview with Marty Smith just off the tarmac.
He should know to stay away from that damn tarmac.
Here is Lane on why he chose LSU overall Miss.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
My heart was here, but I just you know, I
talked to some mentors, Coach Carroll, coach Saban know, and
especially when coach Carrol Saven your dad would tell you
to go, man, take the shot, you know, take the
shot if you accomplished a lot here. I always felt
I always hated how we only gave one year to
Tennessee and left. I really hated that feeling of that,
(06:05):
you know, even though it was exciting year. But you know,
I think that we gave a lot to this program
and to the city, and you know, some of those
historic wins in this stadium they've ever had in best
best regular season in the history of the school. So
I feel proud of that part. But it just became time,
you know. I talked to God and to me, it's
(06:25):
time to take a new step. It's a new chapter.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Okay. Uh. I just wish he would have been honest
and just said, look, I'm going to LSU. I feel
like it's a better opportunity for what my goals are
and my family.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Thank you for your support, you know, I wish you
the best of luck. I wish I was coaching because
I love these kids and we've had a great season,
but look, that's not fair to you, not fair to LSU,
and then leave. But don't be toying around, you know,
tick staff, you know, and this is a bigger problem
(07:04):
for college football. Could you imagine. Let's say Mike McDaniel
got fired with the Dolphins and Mike Tomlin took the
job right now in season. That's what we have here,
a coach going to the playoffs quitting to go to
(07:26):
another school. The college football's created all of this mess. Remember,
the kids were screwing it up. Now it's the grown
ups who screw it up. The kids are just kind
of waiting for the other shoe to drop here. These
are all the chancellors and presidents and athletic directors. They're
the ones that screw it up. The coaches.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, Paully, remember a decade ago when we were angry
that Christian McCaffrey skipped the sunball or like he's not
playing an exhibition sunball, he's not finishing in the season.
We got a coach who's going to the playoffs with
a team that doesn't go to the playoffs, will miss
that often and he leaves. It's surreal that.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Fette Leonard Fournette, Yeah, he sat out a game. Oh
my god, what are you doing to the pageantry of
a bull game? No, nobody wants to play in the
Sun Bowl. Well, hey, oh man, you know teams are
going to hold this against Christy McCaffrey. Oh really, yeah,
you know may he quit on his team. Okay, all right,
this is a coach who quit on his team. Like literally,
(08:30):
he quit on his team and go into LSU. There's
a lot of opinions out there, but Lane is not
a victim. Not a victim. He'll play a victim. Man.
I wanted to coach them, You wanted to coach them,
But did you want to bring some of your assistant
coaches with you to LSU? Did you want to bring
some of your players with you to LSU? Now I
(08:53):
would say, hey, Lane, you can you can coach, but
you can't take any of our players in any of
our coaches. Okay, you sign a contract, let's say a
million dollars for each player in each coach that leaves
that you'll pay us back. How about that? How about
we get lawyers who draw up real good contracts to
protect schools. What was the buyout for Lane Kiffin at
(09:15):
Old Miss four million? Yeah? And if he got fired,
what was he going to get paid? Thirty six million
something crazy like that. That seems out of balance here.
Four million is nothing, Yes, Marvin, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
There's gonna be some type of kiff And rule implemented.
I don't know whether it's gonna be you can't take
these amount of players or you can't try to pick
off our coaches in the middle of the season. But
some type of kiff And rule they'll try to. I
don't know if they'll succeed, but they'll try to implement
it in new coaches contracts.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
Yes, Todd, anything less than a championship with LSU, How
does that affect the decision when we look back on
him leaving All Miss, does he have to win at
least one title in LSU?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Even if he does, I mean great, I mean got
a lot of talent. You're gonna have more talent year
in and year out than you did at Ole Miss.
He should win. I mean three other coaches won national
titles there, so you're gonna be another coach who wins
the national title there. Okay, but money wasn't the issue.
(10:18):
And if it's talent, good, we wish you the best.
But the way he left is the problem. It's the
problem right now with him. It's a bigger problem with
college football. What's the poll question? First, Dowur Dylan, all.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Right, we got a couple options, Dan from Paulie.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
If you're the Ole Miss ad, would you have let
Lane coach throughout the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yes? Or no?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Okay, Yeah, Paul I'm gonna say a hard no on
that would even consider it. But when you brought up
the idea of some type of contract where he couldn't
take assistant coaches and couldn't take players under that umbrella,
I could consider it, but it would still be such
a bad look.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
No, you can't do it. Can't do it. Does anybody
think that Laye Kiffin should have been able to coach
Ole Miss in the playoffs? No? Yeah, ton I agree.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
That it's a very bad look, But I could also
sell it by saying, you know, we went this far,
we're having this amazing season. We owe it to the
players to see it through. I hate seeing that he's
still in his own misk gear and he's already agreed
to coach somewhere else arrival in the SEC.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
But you know he's leaving.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
Why don't we get the most out of him, and
you know, he's got this relationship with the players. Let's
see how far we can go and then good riddings
after that.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
But and I said this on Wednesday, I don't want
the college football Playoff Committee to then punish these players
and this team and hey, you don't have your head coach.
We've seen this with quarterbacks who haven't been able to
play and then all of sudden their team, you know,
is lowered as far as the rankings go, or they
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don't even make the playoffs. I get that Lane Kiffin
gives you a better chance, but I can't. I would
rather go in with my now ell a defensive coordinator,
and our team and we're playing and it's the people
who want to be here. I can't have this. You know,
Michigan basketball did this with Bill Frieder Steve Fisher, you
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know both. Sham Beckler famously said I want a Michigan
guy coaching Michigan. And you can take a hard stance
on this. I mean, I try to be adaptable. I
mean I try to mature with all the things that
are happening, and back in my day it's easy to
say that, but this is this was just unfortunate and
(12:34):
sad how this played out, but it certainly sounded like
Lane was whippy on the tarmac and made it seem
like he was a victim and he's not.
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Speaker 2 (13:25):
We bring in Brian Winhorns to the Mothership. ESPN Senior
NBA writer. How did we get to this point? Ryan?
With Jannis and the Bucks?
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Not one hundred percent sure where we are because one
of the things that I've been talking to the league
executive types about in the last twenty four hours is
do we think that this time the honest will actually
go all the way and formally say it's time to
trade me, because he's rattled the saber before. And you know,
(13:56):
one of the more fascinating stories that came out of
this whole summer, and it didn't come out in the summer.
It came out in October and Schamstrania, my colleague at
the HASPN, reported it. But in August Jannis talked to
the Bucks and different people can use different verbs here,
and I'm not trying to like step on anybody, but
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he showed an interest in wanting to be on the
New York Knicks, and to the point where the Knicks
and the Bucks had trade talks. And I know what
Doc River said yesterday, said Giannis didn't ask to be traded. Okay,
he may not have said those words, I promise you
the Bucks it wasn't their idea, okay. And I know
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that it caught the Knicks by surprise, Dan. And you
know how I know, because like two weeks before, they
signed Mikhale Bridges to a contract extension, a really good
contract extension, nice one. And it's not that they wouldn't
have signed him or that they absolutely were going to
trade him in that deal. But once you signed him
to that you can't trade them for six months. So
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if you were thought you were about to potentially enter
a very important negotiation, you wouldn't take one of those
guys off the table. So I think it caught the
Knicks off guard too, And so what I think happened
was it was Yannis's idea, Now you can bring people
on here and have them testify or whatever. It's fine.
The talks took place, okay, And the important thing is
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Jannis watched what the Bucks did over the summer, which
was due to this crazy move. It was a two
hundred million dollar move. They cut Dame, making one hundred
million dollars in dead money, and then they signed Miles
Turner for one hundred million. So they took one hundred
million dollar problem, which was a player in his thirties
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recovered from Achilles, and they made it a two hundred
dollars investment for a Miles Turner, who is a quality player,
just helped the team to get to the finals and excellent,
a high quality role player, but not a star player.
He saw those moves and then he said, I have
some interest in becoming a Nick. Okay, So that happened,
and it didn't come out until October, and at that
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point Yanis they signed his two brothers, you know, and
Yannis was playing for the Bucks and everything, but like
that was a real indication of what y where Yannis's
head was at. Here's the other thing. Jannis's family moved
to Greece. If you know anything about Yiannis, the family
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is extraordinarily important to him. It's one of the reasons
why the Bucks have signed his two brothers, because they
know how important it is to have his family with him.
That he said his fair and he might have had
ten reasons to send his family to Greece. But again,
these are actions that you're looking at going you know.
So what the league is wondering is knowing what happened
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in the summer, knowing about the other stuff, knowing that
the team is not doing well, although they had their
best win of the year last night they beat the
Pistons without Yannis. Will Jannis actually go forward and say, Okay,
I wanted to because I because I don't think the
Bucks are going to get there Dan, because the Bucks
are so mortgaged and so deeply invested in keeping him,
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and I actually don't blame them, and so That's really
what the question is will Yannis take the next step
besides the saber rattling that he's done before.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Why the Knicks?
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Good question? You know, he he really you know, in
all of the on all of the discussions from Jannis
and from John Horst, their general manager and doc, no
one denied that those talks took place. The Knicks certainly
didn't deny it. And I thought, I know that they happened.
And you know, I will say that if you were
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in a vacuum choosing where to go, you would want
to go to the Eastern Conference. You know, I think
you know, you know you we want to stay East.
And so if you looked at the Eastern Conference and
you said, well, where would I want to be as
a player, where do I think I can you know,
make a big impact? Where could we win right away?
Like New York rises to the top. You can make
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some cases for some other teams, you know, Miami for example,
you know, maybe Atlanta, maybe Boston. All that that type
of trade would be a lot more complicated. But like
you know, if you go through that process, I could
see how you know, Toronto would be as it would
be an interesting team. Now that's actually kind of an
interesting team because you know, you know, national players seem
(18:28):
to like Toronto. But I think, you know, in August,
I think New York made some sense, and it may
not have made some sense from what the Knicks were
in position to trade at the time. And I certainly
don't think the Bucks were motivated to do it, like
they probably wanted everything the Knicks could possibly offer before
they would even get mildly interested. But that's the other
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question is if Jannis does so that There's really three
questions that have been involved on my phone for the
last twenty four hours. One will Jannis actually go to
the point where he says I want to be traded
because he hasn't gotten to that point yet or before. Two,
if he does get traded, will the list be longer
than the Knicks than it was just a one team
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thing over the summer? And Three, if Jannis has a list,
let's say there's three teams, let's say there's six teams. Whatever,
do the Bucks have to do business with just his list?
Because he does have one year left on his contract
plus a player option, so next year you'd be faced
with having Giannis in a walk year. So typically in
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that situation, you would if you were trading for a guy,
you'd want to know he is staying, especially if you're
given a lot of stuff for him. But it's funny, Dan,
As I've talked to people in the league, people don't
necessarily think that would necessarily be true with Yannis. So
I'm not sure. But those are the three questions and
the topics that are going around the league right now.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I'm guessing Brunson would be off limits with the Knicks.
That'd be the only guy that'd be on limits.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
I would advise them. I haven't. I don't have insight
on I don't have insight on that, but I would
do so. The challenge with the Knicks is they really
don't have meaningful draft assets to give. Some of these
other teams we could mention have their own draft picks,
and other teams draft picks that they can offer. The
Knicks don't have draft picks, so you would have to
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make it a player based trade. And here's the thing
about the Bucks that's important to understand the Bucks, and
this is this sort of backs up why they've double
triple qul drippled down. They don't control I think their
next three or four drafts, they've either traded the pick
away or they've traded the swap away. Certainly this year
and next year, I know for sure. I think even
twenty eight too. And so when you're in that position,
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you really can't enter into a trade thinking, well, we're
going to rebuild because you don't control your pick. And
there's a few teams in the NBA right now who
are in bad shape but don't control their pick, and
they're in hell, and so Milwaukee would probably have if
they you know, Milwaukee's probably doesn't want this to happen
at all, but if they get to the poor where
they have to trade them, they're probably going to look
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to make a player based trade or the draft asks
that that they're going to get are going to be
third party teams. In other words, if you do a
team with if you do a deal with the team
that you're trading Yiannis to and you're getting their picks
for the next couple of years, that's not that exciting
because that team stayed going to be good. If that
team has a third team's picks, yeah, you'd be interested
in that so that it doesn't rely on your performance
(21:28):
or that team with Giannis's performance. But now you're threading
a needle. So that's another reason why New York would
make some sense. They have some players that the Bucks
could get that would help them retrofit their team.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Right now, I'm talking to Brian Winhorst, ESPN, senior NBA writer,
help me understand the Chris Paul situation of why it
had to happen on the road in Atlanta.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Well, that seems crazy, you know. And one of the
things that Lawrence Frank, So, first off, Laurence Frank had
this prescotfe it's yesterday, the general manager of the President.
I think it's the president is its title. And first off,
he said, put all the blame on me, which maybe
Lawrence wanted to do it, but I promise you it
was not only him who wanted to do it, but
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doing it the way they did it. He said that
they made the decision on Sunday. Dan, Okay, let's just
let's just take that for the truth. Why was he
in Miami on Monday. They're starting a long road trip,
and you know, Lawrence explained that the reason this happened
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in the middle of the night was because their flight
was delayed by five hours, which it was. They didn't
land in Atlanta Airport until nine thirty. You know how
long it is to get from Atlanta Airport to downtown.
It doesn't take five minutes. They met at eleven o'clock.
In the meeting went several hours. So why do you
do it at eleven o'clock? You know, I don't you know?
(22:59):
So like the actual functionality of the way they handled
it is wretched. The decision. You've been around sports for
a long time. When you have a player who is
very vocal, who all of a sudden has a small role,
it doesn't work. Chris Paul's whole career, he's been very vocal.
(23:21):
He's been vocal with the officials. He's been vocal with
his coach, the opposing coach. He's been vocal with the
opposing star player, with his star play, with his role players.
Imagine what he says off the court. You can just
see what he says on the court. And when you're
the star player and the point guard and you're playing
all eighty two games and your team is competing for
conference titles or whatever, that's one thing. When you're doing
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that and the team is sinking and you're of a
much smaller role. It doesn't work. I knew this twenty
years ago when I started the NBA. This is a
bit of a classic case situation. And you could say, well,
then why the Clippers bring him in knowing that he
would have a small role and that this was possible.
That's fair, And I would just say that of the
Clippers miscalculations this season, it's on the list. But there's
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a long list of Clippers miscalculations so far.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
When do you feel like we'll get a true sense
of Lebron's role with the Lakers? If is he a
third option now? And you know, I guess the future
of how long does he want to play, feel like
he can play and being a maybe a third option
for the Lakers and what role that plays.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
It's an interesting set of circumstances that's happened because I
thought Lebron was awesome last year. He was second team
All NBA. I thought he looked great. You know, the
Lakers had a disappointing end of the season. There was
a bad matchup for them with Minnesota, but I thought
that they really achieved in the regular season. They got
the three seed. I mean, I know the difference between
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the three and the six was really tight, but they
got it. And you know, people were saying to me,
why do you think this is it for Lebron, and
I'm like, no, like, look at him. He's still one
of the top ten to fifteen players in the league.
And then a couple of things happened. First off, he
had two injuries dan So he sprained his knee in
(25:10):
the last playoff game against the Wolves. In fact, had
they extended that series, I don't know if he could
have played. He missed training, he was out for weeks.
He's never missed a playoff game. In all twenty years
in the playoffs, he's never missed a playoff game. I'm
not sure you'd been able to play in the next game.
So he had this knee injury. Then he hits the sciatica,
(25:33):
so he has the most injured offseason he's ever had,
which maybe isn't a surprise at age forty, but it's
still completely new. Also, they get Luca, so Lebron was
already having a great season. Lebron played well when Luca
after Luca got there, but the Luca thing happens. Then
he has the injuries. Okay, so these are two things
(25:55):
that we've never seen. We've never seen him not be
the A one A guy on his team. We've never
seen him have off season injuries before. Then his team
without him plays really really well. Absolutely never happened. Maybe
his team has been able to keep their nose above
water when he's been out, whether it's been for a
(26:15):
week or a month, they've never achieved. You've never looked
at a team that has missed Lebron for multiple games
have gone Man, they're doing great. And Austin Reeves is
having a career year. So you've got this series of
circumstances that he's never experienced before, not to mention not
getting able to start a season, not having to have
a training camp. So we are in completely unknown territory
(26:38):
for him. It would be unknown territory if any one
of those things was true. Now the whole menu is true.
And by the way, he rejoins the team as the
number one score in the history of the league, where
the two guys on his team are in the top
ten in scoring, Reeves and Luca are like one in nine.
I don't have and checked it today. Maybe Reeves has
dropped a little bit, but when he came back, I
(27:00):
think they were one in eight. So you're asking, you're
this is a completely different situation he's ever done, and
the team's winning, you know, you're not coming in and boy,
the team's struggling, and now you got so I think
he is absolutely in a little bit of the deep
end of the pool that he's never been in before.
I mean, how long has it been since Lebron's been
in a situation that he hasn't not only seen but mastered.
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So this is awkward and he's showing his age. You know.
The other night in that game was really a game
where I really looked thought Lebron looked like an older
player for the first time where he wasn't getting left.
I mean he had no rebounds, no steals, no blocks.
That's never happened in twenty three years, thousands of games.
(27:43):
So you're asking a really relevant question. I don't think
anybody knows. I think he's going through this day to
day trying to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Would you be more surprised if he played another year
or he retired at the end of this year?
Speaker 5 (27:58):
I am. I thought, you know, even as recently as
last spring, he has years left. I was not entertaining
that this was going to be it regardless of the
contract which has That's also something he's never experienced before,
but is not really relevant. I don't think that's affecting
his day to day now. I'm just I'm just in
(28:22):
the middle of I don't know, and I know it's
an unsatisfactory answer, and I think Lebron has pretty much
said the same thing he said, I don't know. I
think Rich Paul, his agent, has said I don't know.
I don't know. But that's that's a departure from me
because I was in the camp of this guy could
Tom Bradiot like I mean, and he still could Tom Bradiot,
But if you watched him play last year, there's no
way you said that's a guy about to retire.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Wendy, thank you. I know you're busy. Thanks for joining UKST.
Have a good day, Brian Windhorst.
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Speaker 2 (29:02):
Lebron ninety seven games where he scored in double digits.
He's getting a lot of credit because three seconds to
go he had a chance. He had the ball in
his hands and he drove and kicked out to ruy
Hani Murra. Easy for me to say, that's ruey Hadchi Mura.
Is that right, Marvin? That is correct? Okay, thank you.
(29:25):
He kicked it out for him. He hit the three
and they ended up winning the game.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yes, poet, I'm kind of glad the streak ended because
I didn't know he had that streak. It's not like
public knowledge. And I saw that last time, like, oh
my god, that's nuts. Not to have one game where
you just not just off night, but like Hammy in
the second half, cramp up, leave, that's really nutty.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Well, the previous game he had to go right down
to the wire, staying in a game getting blown out
to try to get to ten points.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
Yes, Mormon, the last time he scored under ten points,
Mike Tomlin wasn't the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Nice. I don't know if the IP had been invented.
I think Cooper Flagg was only two weeks old. It's
been a long time there. And yeah, we're going to
look at Lebron the totality of his career, and it'll
be hard to argue that that's not the best player
of all time. And I still go back, and I
(30:18):
don't want to get into the argument. I just want
to point this out again. If I'm an owner of
a team and I get Mike and I'm going to
get him for let's say thirteen years, or I'm going
to get Lebron for twenty one to twenty two years.
As a businessman, I'm going to take twenty one twenty
two years at a really high level. And I think
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he was second team All NBA last year. Now has
he fallen off? Yes, I don't know how healthy he is,
but has not looked good some of the shots that
he's taken that you would think that he would make,
or getting to the hoop, he just doesn't look very
comfortable out there. And plus I think he's trying to
find himself with this off. When you're watching that game,
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you're watching and you're going, Okay, Austin Reeves is going
to get his shots. Luca's not there, I think birth
of his second child. But so you know, Lebron's trying
to figure out how does he fit in with this team?
And I think that's what's going to be fascinating to
watch because they were a good team when Lebron wasn't playing,
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and now that he's back, his job that I think
is to blend in and not say I'm back. Everything
goes through me.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
Yes, Mark, But don't you think Lebron would announce his
last season before the season started so he can get
the farewell tour a La Kobe Kareem Abdul Jabbarg, Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yes, I would think that he would, but he might
not know or didn't plan on this being his last year.
You might find out during the season. Damn, I don't
want to go. I don't know if I could play
another game or another season I should say. But yes,
I don't think he went into this season feeling like
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this is my last one, because he's probably thinking I
get a full year with Luca and I like our
chances here.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yeah, Paul, I would just looking at the standings and quietly.
These thunder are twenty one and one. They're winning their
games by fifteen and a half points. They've got sixty
games left. They would have to go what forty forty
eight wins out of the next sixty games to set
the all time record.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, but I don't want the all time record if
I'm okay.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
See, they may stumble into it by the math of
it twenty one and one.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, but I don't. I would not set that as
the goal. The goal is to win another title, not
to have the best regular season record if you happen
to get that, Okay, But I've seen that when you
know Golden State, you put all your efforts into it
and then all of a sudden. Now granted it took
a heroic effort for you know, Cleveland to beat them,
But the regular season, as Greg Popovich has pointed out
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many many times, previous seasons doesn't mean anything. Just get
to the postseason and win a title, yes, Mark, But.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
If you could kill two birds with one stone and
win seventy four games, you would do it, right.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I just I don't want to tax my team. I
want to win championships. That's it's all I care about.
I don't care you know how many wins were going
to have, yes, Mark.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
But they're mollywopping the competition. So it's not like they're
winning a bunch of games by one point the other.
Jalen Williams is getting a bunch of run because they're
beating these teams by fifteen twenty points every night.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I know, I know, yeah, Pauling.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
I went back to the fifteen sixteen season to look
at the Warriors. They started twenty four and oh. The
twenty fourth win was at Boston, double overtime, and then
the next night in a back to back where they
had to go to Milwaukee, they lost by ten points,
and when they were twenty four and one, that was
their first loss.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, I remember, you know when the Lakers won thirty
three in a row and you put so much effort
into that. That was it's like nineteen seventy two. But
you know, you have to win every game and just
I think it taxes these teams trying to do that,
and you know, go back to Golden State. They got
caught up. They were going to pass the bulls. They
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were going to win seventy three. Didn't win the title
that year, And really that's when everybody says, oh, how
many did they win? All they won?
Speaker 9 (34:20):
That?
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Did they win the title? That's all I care about.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Yes, Marvin, it's all good because Oklahoma City, they're all
under twenty five years old anyway, so they're young legs.
They have eighteen draft picks coming up all in the lottery.
They're good for the next five years.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Paul in Center City. Paul, where is Center City?
Speaker 10 (34:40):
Center City is north of the Twin Cities, about forty minutes.
It's called Center City because they're in this between Chicago
Lakes and the border Minnesota, Wisconsin, Taylor's Falls and Saint
Croix Falls. All right, So hey, first time sometime six
to one twenty five. I keep seeing these field goals
(35:05):
being made so easily, and Aubrey looks like he's just
meting chip shots. And I know you guys have talked
about this him and anyone suggested bringing the hashes back
to what they used to be. Why they ever brought
them together? I never liked. And you bring them out
and get rid of the caball. I think it's going
to add at least another dimension of strategy and harder.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Well, college they have those hash marks out so wide,
and these are college kickers, the pros. They made it easier.
This is what we were talking about earlier this morning.
What if you raised the crossbar three feet Therefore, these
sixty yard field goals, now that affects them. But you know,
once again, we're getting back to penalizing somebody for being great.
(35:50):
We are trying to penalize the Eagles for being great
with the tush push. I just don't know if you
want to get into the practice of that, because it's like, hey,
they're really good. Nobody's doing that. When somebody's throwing fifty
touchdown passes. They don't say, you know what, we should
let the defense get away with something here. Nobody does that.
We just don't want games where it's a tush push
(36:12):
or it's going to be a field goal. You know,
the NFL's in the entertainment business. H Okay, here comes
another field goal. Although he is incredible with what he's doing,
but now it feels like, well, we don't want games
to be decided this way, but they've been decided this way.
Super Bowls have been decided this way. It just he's
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really good at what he does and we don't like that.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeah, Pauling, I think it's though affecting the end of
games with the touchback. Now going to the thirty five.
If you're Dallas or a team with a high end kicker,
you need twenty five maybe thirty yards for a field goal.
That's not even in question. The NFL doesn't like when
things go awry like this, like the ten years ago
with the extra point, you raise up the crossbar three feet.
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Now you've made fifty plus a lot harder and a
lot less easy wins at the end for a field
goal kicker.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah. I just don't like penalizing somebody who's great at
what they do. I mean, did we say, man, Steph
Curry's ruining the NBA, we need to move the three
point shot back even further? I mean it, Brandon Aubrey
has mastered this and should be given credit for that. Yeah.
Speaker 11 (37:23):
Yeah, I kind of feel like we have talked about
how the three pointer is ruining the game and it
needs to be addressed.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah, but what do you do. Are you gonna move
it back and then you're gonna get even worse. You're
gonna get worse basketball because they're still gonna shoot the three.
But I can't penalize Steph Curry because he does this
better than anybody in history. It's like, oh, who wants
to see three pointers?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Yeah, Paul, And they really can't change a three point
line any further back than it is. If you look
at the corners, that corner spot, there's no room you
got like three feet or your heels are out of bounds.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Right, Well, you would have to extend it towards the
center core, right, you wouldn't. You can't do it on
the on the soide exactly.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
But that would make this shot almost oblong, where it's
two feet shorter from the sides than it would be
from the top of the key.
Speaker 11 (38:11):
And it actually makes it better for Steph and people
like him, where most people can't hit it, except for
like Steph Dame and like three other dudes who regularly shoot.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Them from that far. Anyway, Yeah, yeah, Paulin, we did
talk about it.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
I think it was just yesterday's sports history when they
lowered the pitcherre mount raised the pitcher mount, they raised
it right or they lowered. They lowered it to help
the offense, and that was a penalty for the pitchers.
It would be kind of similar if they did that
for the kickers.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Well, everything is supposed to be for the offense. Because
the leading hitter in nineteen sixty eight was three oh one,
So you only had one guy batting three hundred in
the American League. It was kr Yustremsky three oh one
won the batting title, but then they dropped it from
fifteen the mound fifteen inches down to ten inches and
(38:58):
then all of a sudden, offense flourished after that. Mike
and Wisconsin. Hi, Mike, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Abe?
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Hey Mike? Hello? Hi, hey Mike here.
Speaker 9 (39:11):
I've been meaning the call for a while, but lines
are busy. I'm a garbage man out here in Wisconsin,
and I got an IT team investigation already. Uh, I
already did all the research. If you go to September seventeenth,
last hour, last segment, Seaton agreed to take Penn State
to beat Oregon first rate ten.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Oh, okay, I'm gonna have to get the item on
that seat and do you owe us a spray tan?
According to Mike and Wisconsin, it's possible. It's possible.
Speaker 11 (39:43):
I don't remember that, but I'm not denying that it happened.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
We do have a lot of these bets, but they're
they I don't know. Mario I think writes them down.
He's supposed to, or he has before. So Mike will
check on that, and if so, seat, we'll get that
spray tand before the Oregon Penn State, Penn State, Yeah,
why would you have taken Penn State against a good team.
Speaker 11 (40:10):
Gotta admit I really have no idea. I mean it
sounds like something I would think was smart sports wise, but.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Let's see Nathan
in Kansas. Hi, Nathan, what's on your mind? Hey?
Speaker 12 (40:26):
DP, first time caller. I love the show six five
to sixty. Hey, I was going to run a college
football playoff format for you guys and get your opinion first.
It would take some oversight, which I think we all
agree needs to happen, but essentially, have ten team conferences
where everybody plays everybody in their conference, so there's no
(40:49):
more of the who would have, could have should have debates?
And then you double the conference championship game, take the
first the top two teams in that conference, and double
it as the college football playoff first round and have
six or seven, you know, ten team conferences.
Speaker 9 (41:08):
What do you guys think?
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Too much math for me on a Friday, Nathan, Gotta
be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Yes, Paul, Dan, the I team is scrambling to find
out what the bet from September with Seaton Oregon Penn
State was legit. I did look back and going into
that weekend. Penn State was the number three ranked team
in the country and Oregon was number six, and it
was a double overtime victory by Oregon. Man, that a
different world back then.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
You know, I probably could have too.
Speaker 11 (41:35):
They have a tight end that I like a lot,
Luke Reynolds. It's very possible that I would have been like,
oh yeah, I'll go with Penn State just for that guy.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
It's possible I could use a little a little color though,
touch ups. Yeah, heading into the holidays.
Speaker 11 (41:48):
Yeah well yeah, so yeah, I just got back from vacation.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, sell you in a maco to get that, uh
Sam and Los Angeles? Hi, Sam, Hi, good.
Speaker 13 (41:58):
Morning, Thanks for taking my call the first time, long time.
Speaker 12 (42:02):
Five seven, one sixty.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (42:06):
In the annals of crappers Crappersburg State football, the ones
were rumblings and movements in the operations.
Speaker 10 (42:14):
The head of operations.
Speaker 13 (42:15):
Police Koleno, scoped up video that he caught wind of.
It showed how an opponent's opponents shaped their practices using
a six person crew. This was turned over to the
governing body and that brought about stiff penalties that sanctioned
the opponents nil and scholarship fund. This incident was termed
(42:35):
crossis Gate.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
All right, thank you Sam Crappensburg State on that for sure. Yeah,
I'm not quite sure. I wasn't able to follow. Once again,
I'm a little drugged up today and it's a Friday.
So maybe Paul can decipher that. You're not a little
drugged up because it's a Friday. You're a little drugg
(42:59):
up because you're not feeling well and it happens to
be Friday. Yeah, yeah, right, that's what I think. It's
just medication Friday. Yeah, like, yes, we all get drugged
up on Fridays. No, no, not anymore. OK, Yes, Todd,
I don't think.
Speaker 7 (43:10):
Any of us are drugged up right now, but I
don't think any of us followed.
Speaker 5 (43:13):
A lot of them just transpire there.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Oh, thank you, Tod.
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