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Covino & Rich are in for DP, and they play “Showtimes Mahomes Trivia.” And a movie recommendation from Covino turns into a discussion about UFOs, UAPs or whatever they’re calling them these days. Then Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington from FOX Sports Radio’s “2 Pros and a Cup of Joe” take their turn and discuss the ridiculousness of the NCAA transfer portal rules. Plus, Jonas and Brady react to Indiana crushing Alabama in the College Football Playoff Quarterfinals.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Covino and Rich.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
And for Dan Patrick.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
Happy Holidays, Steve Covino and Rich Davis again five to
seven on the East, So shout out to all the
affiliates that don't normally air our show. You should. We
appreciate you. Happy Holidays. Two to four on the West,
and we have a bonus podcast. Look it doesn't matter,
right because you can catch our show anytime on YouTube
Covino and Rich FSR watch us live and our bonus podcast,

(00:30):
Over Promised is also there and I highly recommend Overpromised
And thank you guys for hanging out with us. Thanks
again to Dan Patrick and happy holidays. I'm Steve Covino
live in Idaho. That's Rich Davis, Danny g and the
whole crew back at the Fox Sports Radio studio.

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has left more of an impact in the world of sports.
We'll get to that. Plus I have a thought about
a movie Cavino recommended that I.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Watched last night. So we'll tell little movies. Little uh,
oh man, I can't wait, no idea what This is
a little grundle of the holiday season.

Speaker 5 (01:20):
But right now it's time for Showtime Mahomes Trivia.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
The mostly lovable Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Truth is, I want everybody to love me, not just
the refs.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
It's time for some NFL trivia. I'm here, I'm here, Yes,
we know you're here.

Speaker 6 (01:36):
All right, Patrick Mahomes here to play Showtime Homes Trivia.

Speaker 7 (01:40):
All right, FSR security walking our broke Patrick into the
main studio.

Speaker 6 (01:45):
Hey there is Hey, Hey guys, Patrick Mahomes here. What's
all the slurprint of Sam Donald? You know you guys
are all about me? Now you're all about Donald?

Speaker 2 (01:53):
I see how you guys are? Oh man?

Speaker 4 (01:56):
Are you? How was the surgery?

Speaker 2 (01:59):
I guess I'm all right.

Speaker 6 (02:00):
I'm actually trying to get all the gifts I gifted
all my offensive linemen, Uglo watches and beats and meadow glasses.
I want it back. I want it all back because
we suck six and ten. We stink, probably gonna lose
to the Raiders. My linemen deserve Freezy Freaky's in La
Boo boos.

Speaker 7 (02:19):
No, this is the only time I'm going to tell
you this. Patrick, Please please beat the Raiders. Yeah, the
Raiders need to be beat up.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
By the way, I'd be surprised if we did. What
a little That would be amazing terrible for you, Danny. Imagine,
imagine if the Chiefs somehow give the Raiders that game
and it gives the Raiders the inability now to get Mendoza.

Speaker 7 (02:40):
Like you know, the Chiefs can f you in a
different way, now, Dan, don't you dare put that out
there in the universe. All right, let's meet the contestants.
Twenty seven time winner Rich Davis.

Speaker 8 (02:49):
Right over there.

Speaker 7 (02:50):
Let's go in for twenty two time champion Dan Byer.
Look who it is, Big Mike, who doesn't run this place?

Speaker 6 (02:57):
Hey Mike, Hello, everybody, it's Rich from Pond Stars.

Speaker 7 (03:03):
And ten time winners Spotty boys, all right, looking to
winnes seeing our nerd football in the studio lines, Big Mike,
I'll use you for this would you love to travel too?
Beautiful mar Vista, California, Agora Hills, California, Corpus Christi, Texas,
Sioux City, Iowa, or Pleasanton, San Antonio.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
Uh, that's a no brainer.

Speaker 9 (03:24):
I gotta go with Marvisa, as I spent quite a
bit of my personal time.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
In that town.

Speaker 8 (03:29):
Oh yeah, all right, all right, that's Tyler. What up, Tyler?

Speaker 10 (03:34):
Hey, how you guys doing today?

Speaker 4 (03:36):
Tyler? I used to live in Palms bro.

Speaker 10 (03:40):
Yeah, that's where I first lived, and I moved to
mar Vista, Nice Blaria.

Speaker 11 (03:43):
It is.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
It's a great place. When do you go? Get again?

Speaker 7 (03:45):
We'll get a coffee and uh, you know, big Mike
set tripping over here. All right, Tyler, what do you
do for a living in Sokel?

Speaker 10 (03:53):
Actually? Yea, I do private driving and I do uber
and lift on the side between that.

Speaker 8 (03:59):
Nice shouts out to all the delivery people.

Speaker 10 (04:02):
Yeah, you need a right to the airport. Let me know,
I get my information.

Speaker 5 (04:05):
Let me let me ask you this, being that you're
a driver, do you want people to talk to you
or not? I'm always I'm always trying to decide this
is uber or a lyft person want to talk to me?

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Or do they want silence.

Speaker 8 (04:17):
You know if it's kind of.

Speaker 10 (04:18):
Funny because sometimes you get on the apps just about
to walk in your car and it shows show preferences,
and you see something like prefers not to talk, And
at first I was like, well, I don't even want
to talk to them, so why do they like have
that on their app?

Speaker 5 (04:33):
But you can put that down there. You can put
that down now. By the way, let's let's play this game.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
All right. Here are the rules.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
I don't want to talk.

Speaker 8 (04:41):
That's enough.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
That's a first. By the way, let's get that in writing. Please.

Speaker 7 (04:46):
Here are the rules for Showtime at Home's NFL Trivia.
The first contestant with two correct answers is the champion.
If there's a tie, we have a tie breaker question.
Your name is your buzzer, but you do have to
wait until all three possible answers are read. If there's
two wrong answers in row, we move on to the
next question. Are you ready, let's do it. Let's get
it on round one.

Speaker 6 (05:04):
Happy holidays, Patrick Mahomes, I'm here and I wish my
defense could serve these up. What team has the most
shutouts in one season in NFL history? Is it a
the nineteen seventy six Steelers be the two thousand Ravens,
or see the twenty thirteen Seahawks.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Mike Big, Michael Ravens.

Speaker 7 (05:26):
No, I had that confidence he had?

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Tyler, Tyler, what do you got?

Speaker 6 (05:38):
No, you're both oh answers A seventy six Steelers. They
delivered five shutouts that season. Five shutouts.

Speaker 8 (05:47):
All right, we moved around two. Nobody on the board yet, all.

Speaker 6 (05:50):
Right, round two, Patrick mahomes here. This game won't be
the same without me? Which stadium hosted the first ever
Super Bowl?

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (06:00):
The Houston Astrodome, B Miami's Orange Bowl?

Speaker 6 (06:05):
Or C the Los Angeles Memorial Calseum.

Speaker 8 (06:10):
Rich really rich?

Speaker 4 (06:12):
Got it? You know what?

Speaker 7 (06:14):
No, Rich, answer the question. I'm Los Angeles. It was
the Memorial Coliseum. Rich on the board was giving.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
You, giving you a little breadth there? Come on, dude,
trying to be Jennis in the hotties.

Speaker 8 (06:24):
Where are you driving right now? By the way, where
are you driving through?

Speaker 10 (06:27):
Actually I'm driving out in the valley right now. I'm
on the one to one three way heading out towards thousand.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Is good?

Speaker 10 (06:34):
I mean right A really slow these days in this economy.
I feel like I gotta drive further further away to
get something.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
All right, here we go, right, Hey, By the way,
I'm trying to be generous.

Speaker 6 (06:42):
Turn to holidays too, Hey, Rich, since you got that right,
I want to regift you a pair of fuzzy socks
that Travis Kelsey game.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Where is these things? You could have them?

Speaker 8 (06:53):
I love buddy, This one, Rich is on the board
as we moved around three.

Speaker 6 (07:00):
All right, round three, Happy holidays. What was I once
quoted saying about limits? He limits, limit, limits, one of
the limits. One of those funny words. Limits are just
an illusion. B I try to limit the amount to
twenty thousand dollars for each ref's Christmas gift. Or the

(07:23):
moment you limit yourself is the moment your life stays basic.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
Mike Cool, You gotta go with b.

Speaker 11 (07:34):
Rep.

Speaker 8 (07:39):
Tyler for the steal.

Speaker 6 (07:42):
No, limits are just an illusion, all right?

Speaker 4 (07:51):
So still Rich? The only one I swear Patrick had
had to be. I thought you were gifted to the rep.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
No, all right, we move on. I gave them my owners.
I love how that was followed up with an eighties
left track.

Speaker 7 (08:06):
When Tyler listened closely, you got a rally.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Here we go to round four.

Speaker 6 (08:12):
Please all right round four? Patrick mahomes here happy? Uh,
taint of the holidays? Who was the first NFL team
to put a logo on their helmets?

Speaker 8 (08:21):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (08:22):
Is it a the Chicago Bears, b the Los Angeles Rams,
or c the Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
That's Rich.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Rich for the win.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
I'm gonna go Rams.

Speaker 7 (08:36):
You are the winner today, Sorry, dude.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
The yellow Rams horns in nineteen forty six.

Speaker 7 (08:45):
Yeah, they hand painted these yellow Ram horns in forty six.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Crazy. I thank you, man, I appreciate you listening time. Man,
you know what it is. I guess you think back.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
I feel like I feel like some of the old
footage are like a lot of these teams had no logos.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
But can you picture a Rams game without a logo?

Speaker 4 (09:03):
No?

Speaker 2 (09:03):
I like Bears.

Speaker 5 (09:04):
I feel like they was the most Yeah, Bears had
the logo back in the day. All right, thanks buddy,
appreciate you guys. Hey, thanks guys six and ten. I'm
really feeling it.

Speaker 6 (09:13):
And let your raiders Danny g next week in a Hey,
thanks guys, have you holidays.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
Good to see you, Patrick, Thank you, Patrick. I had
actually had a question for Coveno. Now that we've got
past show time, a home shrimming. Hold on, I'm saying
by Patrick Patrick. Yeah, so I I watched the movie
you recommended, and I commended a few.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
You recommended something.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
That I don't know.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
I watched it and it's called The Age of Disclosure.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Oh yeah, well it was recommended to me, So I
told you about it.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
I didn't necessarily say you gotta watch.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
You can't. You could.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
You could only buy it on Prime.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
My buddies like and and my buddy's like, don't worry,
I'll find it.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
So he found it.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
So if you don't feel like paying the twenty bucks,
I'm sure you have your little loopholes. But it's uh,
it's about UAPs, essentially UFOs, And they're saying this is
the most legitimate UFO documentary we're talking about, Like, this
isn't like crazy dudes of big hair on the History
Channel talking about aliens.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
They like, you got.

Speaker 5 (10:28):
Legitimate politicians and people that worked for you know, decades
and the FBI and CIA, And what separates.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
This one ritch is the fact that there's I'm trying
to get the stat here, thirty four government insiders who
reveal the truth like these are all highly ranked and
prominent former people.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, conserve the.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
This isn't a listen and I'm not some big alien
conspiracy guy, but this isn't some jibbroni that had a
cup of coffee and work for the government twenty five years.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Ago and he has a bone to pick like this.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
This, uh, this feels like it's completely legitimate and it's
you know, the congressional hearings within the last couple of
years about aliens. My big takeaway is that we really
don't know what they're what's going on there?

Speaker 4 (11:20):
No, My big.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Takeaway, well, there's it's pretty confirmed, especially after watching this movie. Yeah,
that there is unidentified aerial phenomenon.

Speaker 8 (11:30):
There are UAPs.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
The question is is it from another planet, another dimension
of the universe, or have one of the nations that
maybe we're competing against found some of these crash sites
and reverse technology reverse engineered them to spy on us.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
We don't know. That's the ridiculous part is they're saying.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
But did you put in perspective, rich, are our best
aircraft travels at like thousand miles?

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Part good? That was exactly what I was going to say.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
They're this aircraft, those tic TACs that they're seeing is
traveling at over forty thousand miles per hour.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
So put that in perspective. And and when and when
military mince. When tiktaks, the one you have in your pants,
the little the tic tac UFOs, the little TikTok, the spot,
these they say, they describe them. They look like a
huge clear tic tac like the shape of like and spot.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
I know you're a skeptic, is it orange?

Speaker 4 (12:31):
Those are my favorite?

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Those are the best. Orange ones are the beste Yeah, Danny,
I don't love you. Guys are skeptics. And I'm not
trying to be alien ufo.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Guys, you're saying you bought into it after watch, I
thought you were gonna dump all nose.

Speaker 5 (12:43):
I think I just think there's nothing like, there's no like, Hey,
look at this, we got footage of an alien. But
when you're telling them, when when the government in Congress
and people under oath are talking about unidentified things that
are moving at speeds and making they mis say non
human discoveries. They've they've found bodies and different kinds of

(13:04):
bodies in these crash sites, which they think may have
been used to explain that reverse engineer this technology.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
You realize we're talking to like millions of people right now. Right,
it's a it's a very popular film right now.

Speaker 5 (13:17):
It's an award winning it's an award winning documentary that's
going to be hitting the mainstream soon. But you can
buy it on Amazon now, exactly the age of disclosure.

Speaker 9 (13:25):
I do want to interjecte here. Let's remember that the
key term is unidentified. That does not make them alien.
That just means they are unidentified. Mike, But but where
did we get the technology? Did they always exist?

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Here?

Speaker 3 (13:41):
We get the technology to h to create these.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
How could something?

Speaker 5 (13:44):
How could something make moves through the sky that we
are incapable of doing?

Speaker 9 (13:49):
Just because you don't have an answer doesn't mean it's aliens, right, He's.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
Not an alien.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
They say it could possibly be I'm travelers to so
you're saying.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Times better, Yeah, that's is it aliens or time travelers?

Speaker 4 (14:05):
Make up? Your mind? Got to be one of the two, Right.

Speaker 11 (14:07):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (14:08):
You know what it is?

Speaker 4 (14:09):
You know what is it?

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Identified? But then what is it?

Speaker 4 (14:13):
Then?

Speaker 5 (14:13):
If something is in the air that's as smart at
people in our in our universe don't.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
Know what it is.

Speaker 5 (14:18):
And they're saying that there's things that are going forty
thousand miles an hour, stopping on a dime and making
moves that just are are going against all.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
All science and physics that we know. How do you
describe it unidentified? But what do you think it is?
What do you think it is?

Speaker 4 (14:35):
Big?

Speaker 2 (14:36):
But that exists? Is it okay? Is it okay to
just say it I don't know and leave it like that?

Speaker 4 (14:41):
Why do you have to conjecture?

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Don't you want it?

Speaker 4 (14:44):
It's aliens or time travels.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
I want to know, but I'm okay with not knowing.

Speaker 8 (14:48):
Let me check my iPhone, which is.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
The fact that you're from.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
There's there's no debating anymore that it's real and that
it exists. Whether or not we know, I get it.
We don't know, and Mike's right about that. But it
is real. It's real. And that's the takeaway from this film.

Speaker 5 (15:06):
The smart When the smartest people on planet Earth are like, yeah,
humans are not capable even close to this type of technology,
then you're saying, well, it's not identified, then what is it?

Speaker 2 (15:16):
I know it's unidentified, but what is? And if you
don't want to know what the dumbest people on planet Earth?
I have to say more with them next right here
on Fox Sports Radio. I'll let them spark. I'll let's
spot take it away.

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Speaker 2 (15:28):
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Speaker 2 (17:01):
What up? Sticks?

Speaker 4 (17:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (17:03):
What up?

Speaker 2 (17:05):
What?

Speaker 13 (17:09):
You're always like laid back man like? You never get
as much excitement out of you? You know what's up y'all?

Speaker 11 (17:17):
What?

Speaker 4 (17:18):
What?

Speaker 11 (17:18):
Ut?

Speaker 2 (17:19):
BEFERRONI cowboy? H you got all the kids in town?
Are you guys all love it?

Speaker 8 (17:27):
What's new?

Speaker 14 (17:28):
Year's even gonna look like? I don't know, man, get lit.
I want to be probably probably start as soon as
the show's over. It probably started yesterday.

Speaker 8 (17:39):
Already started continuing into today.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
They top golfed yesterday.

Speaker 14 (17:43):
So my son's actually a pretty dog going good golfer man,
the younger one. So they went to golf have a
good time doing that.

Speaker 8 (17:51):
Did you bring MONSI well, I know she loves top golf.

Speaker 14 (17:54):
I know, and in Vegas too, of all places. We
didn't take her yesterday. Sorry, Well, something Monsie might be
we might need to retire that.

Speaker 15 (18:07):
All right, So you guys want to hear John Caspar
bitch about uh about a situation that's currently going on
in college basketball.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
He recruited me, Cal party did.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Where was he?

Speaker 11 (18:19):
Then?

Speaker 8 (18:20):
You mass?

Speaker 14 (18:21):
That was when he had us can being Yeah, they
had that year, that magical year. They practiced on our court.
He came there because his his head coach was my
head coach. His college head coach was my high school
head coach, and they were recruiting me, so they brought
the team there to practice. He came and gave us
a great speech.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
So, yeah, get recruited by coach cal Bob Huggins.

Speaker 8 (18:46):
Who else? John Thompson?

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Hell, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 14 (18:51):
I mean I had a few Villanova recruited me. I
had a few few teams you know that. I just
stopped growing that's all, you know, that was the problem.
I would have had to become a real basketball player
if I was going to play basketball. It's too short
to just use talent.

Speaker 13 (19:07):
So that's wild too, because how are you like six
four six four six four.

Speaker 14 (19:12):
It's not sixty three, just under six four, right.

Speaker 13 (19:15):
It's just funny though that, like you're like this this, yeah,
but this is the way you're saying it, like I'd
have to become a real basketball player, which you know
for most people, like I just I don't know. I
think you were better than most. Hell yeah, I had
a vertical I could jump. I think what had people
confused is I was getting rebounds over guys that were

(19:35):
like six nine, six ten. But it's only because I
could move quicker. You know, the taller they were, the
slower they were, and I beat I beat quads up,
elbowed quads. So you didn't get off the ground as quick,
didn't move as quick.

Speaker 14 (19:48):
I was like a rockman. I was a work guy.
I was gonna run, run, run, run, use my quicks
off the court too. Absolutely, Yeah, ruined me. Basketball ruined me.
Football save me. Basketball ruined me. It's a different level
of clout when you play basketball, man, I ain't gonna
lie to you. Like I was on the circus, you know, Abro,

(20:12):
I was on the travel circuit, and that is very
different than football.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Bob Huggins showed you throw soh.

Speaker 14 (20:18):
Hey, brouh, it's very different from football. I don't know why,
like I was considered to be a way Hansel Murger
being a basketball player than I was a football player.
But it is what it is. It's still all worked
out so well.

Speaker 15 (20:33):
I mean, the good news is you could probably go
back and play now based on I got one year
based on what we've seen. So we talked about this
a little bit yesterday on our shows. Wow James Naji,
who was a former NBA draft pick, he was the
thirty first overall pick, I believe in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
He's with Baylor.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
Now he has now gone back and he's playing with Baylor,
and so some people have not been thrilled about place
is going on.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, it's the hook. The whole thing's wild.

Speaker 5 (21:03):
You got European players that are coming in that are
all It's just none of it makes any sense. And
John Calipari decided, you know what, somebody's got to speak up.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
Let me be the guy.

Speaker 16 (21:13):
Well, look, I don't blame coaches.

Speaker 11 (21:17):
You know, I've got friends that are playing with twenty
seven year olds and they feel bad. I said, don't
feel bad. We don't have any rules. Why should you
feel bad? But let me give you this real simple.
The rules bes the rules. So if you put your
name in the draft, I don't care if you're from
Russia and you stay in the draft, you can't play

(21:41):
college basketball.

Speaker 16 (21:42):
Well that's only for American kids.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
What if your.

Speaker 11 (21:47):
Name is in that draft and you got drafted, you
can't play cup because that's our rule.

Speaker 16 (21:53):
Yeah, but that's only for American kids.

Speaker 11 (21:55):
Okay, Okay, Now here's the next lawsuit. Well, we don't
have a say over European players. You do if they're
playing in college basketball. So that means you don't have
a say over high school kids. So whatever a high
school kid does before he comes here, don't you do
one thing because there's a suit, Because what you're saying is,

(22:18):
if he's in Europe, we don't have the same rules.
Does anybody care what this is doing for seventeen and
eighteen year old American kids? Do you know what this
opportunity has done for them? And their families. There aren't
going to be any high school kids who other than
dumb people like me, are going to recruit high school kids.

(22:39):
I get so much satisfaction out of coaching young kids
and seeing them grow and make it and their family
life changes that I'm going to keep doing it. But
why would anybody else If you can get NBA players,
G League players, guys that are twenty eight years old,
guys from Europe?

Speaker 16 (22:58):
Do we really know their transcript? Do we have somebody
over there? Do we really know their birth certificate?

Speaker 15 (23:04):
So that was John Calipari letting it be known his
feelings on the situation involving guys returning to college basketball
late into their twenties with eligibility still remaining in the
NBA draft. Charlie Baker, the NCAA president, He responded with
a statement on Tuesday that said, quote, the NCAA is

(23:25):
not and will not grant eligibility to any perspective or
returning student athletes who have signed an NBA contract, including
a two way contract. Calipari was on ESPN last night
and said, well, they're moving the goalpost now because now
it's if you haven't signed a contract, you can't come back,
but when before it was.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
If you were in the draft and you get drafted,
that's it.

Speaker 13 (23:50):
And they're saying that because of their legal expertise that
someone's provided Charlie Baker, that they feel like they can
say that and not get sued because every time the
NCAA has gone, you know, up against the judicial system,
they've lost. This is an inflection point for college sports,
and it's one of the reasons like why on our

(24:11):
show on two Pros, I've continually talked about this with
you guys in regards to everything kind of seems up
in the air, and basketball has been further ahead because
there's been this whole you know, at first you could
just leave right from high school and go to play
professional basketball.

Speaker 8 (24:27):
And then it came back in with the one undone
and John.

Speaker 13 (24:29):
Calipari was one of the first to really embrace that
and embody that. But even allowing that to take place
was a step closer to completely disregarding the educational component
and the developmental component. And there's elements of that that

(24:50):
are still at play in college football right now, and
that's brought forth by the transfer portal because that's now
become big business. So I say it's an inflection point
for college sports in general right now because we've almost
looked at trying to like, in a way, privatize this

(25:10):
whole experience for young people and what this experience means.
It used to mean development, It used to mean getting
an education. It used to mean, you know, graduating with
a degree, a platform, a network, and a foundation, where
after you were rewarded with that, you'd move on into
the private sect or you'd potentially be lucky enough to

(25:31):
be one of the one to two to three percent,
depending on the sport, to play professionally. But at some
point that ends. And now we've looked at it's completely different.
We're like, well, wait a second, these players should be compensated,
and yet we haven't had anyone come up with a
structure that allows both things to work where they can

(25:52):
be compensated. Yet at the same time, we can still
keep the educational component there for them. So there's something
for these young men and women when they get done
with their playing careers to fall back on to then
go search for whatever that next passion is.

Speaker 8 (26:10):
That's the tough part about this whole.

Speaker 13 (26:11):
Conversation is as much as we want to make light
of it, and joke about it. There is a lot
of people who are impacted at the high school level
moving into college that are having opportunities taken away from
people who already had that opportunity and they weren't good enough.
And I'll even go as far as saying this the
NCAA whimping out with how many eligibility waivers they've granted

(26:33):
for a lot of players who are now playing, you know.

Speaker 8 (26:36):
Six seven years of college football.

Speaker 13 (26:38):
It's the same thing that same players taking up a
high school players roster spot and his opportunity to crack
into you know, onto the field and play and make
his impact.

Speaker 8 (26:50):
But it's all because it's become big business.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
Now.

Speaker 8 (26:54):
I hate it where it's at.

Speaker 13 (26:56):
I understand why it's where it is, and I'm not
like arguing for you know, student athletes not to be compensated,
but there does need to be a reckoning where someone
comes and saves the day. And I'm sorry, I'm just
not a believer that the federal government is going to
do it. Even though it feels like every time Charlie
Baker speaks, he's begging Congress to step in and give

(27:18):
them some sort of anti trust protection.

Speaker 14 (27:23):
I think it's a it's a tremendously large conversation that
Kyler Perry opened because there are a lot of unknowns
there are, and there are a lot of different different
ways of doing things and different ways of seeing things.
And that's by sport. I mean, it's it's touched into
now the gender conversation.

Speaker 8 (27:45):
You don't even you know, need.

Speaker 14 (27:46):
To go down that road right now, But I mean
that is a conversation that's out there as well. You know,
people's ability to compete and where they're competing at. You
know that those lines have been now been crossed and
have been blurred, and those conversations are ensuing. But you know,
by sport, you're talking about people that are you know

(28:07):
when they say to euros you know it costs more.
It costs more to bring European players here to play.
For one, it costs more, and a lot of times
they go straight from from high school to pro There
is no light, there is no system set up the
way it's set up.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
Here in America.

Speaker 14 (28:30):
And so if you're if you are living and dying
by going after that that what you would call experience
and trying to bring that here to be able to
compete and win in the certain sports that exists.

Speaker 8 (28:42):
Yeah, you're you're right.

Speaker 14 (28:44):
It is going to hurt what takes place with high
school kids and developmental situations because you're not looking to
develop kids. It's so interesting, we'll say, We'll hear coaches
say it's all about the development, it's all about the development.
But you you go into the practices, whether it's football,
whether it's basketball, baseball, hockey, whatever you choose the sport.

(29:06):
A lot of times when you go to these colleges,
they are not doing focused development periods like they used to.
They're not They get straight into it, they go right
to it. No real development. And for what it's worth,
the one thing that you mentioned Q that that really

(29:28):
is kind of becoming a scarcity is the educational component
of it. You don't hear people speak on education. It's
almost like the NIL phase of where we are in
college athletics has almost muted the conversation of how important
education is in this scenario because most of the vast

(29:52):
majority of these people will have to find a job
post college career, the vast, vast, vast.

Speaker 8 (30:01):
Majority of them.

Speaker 14 (30:03):
And so now what are we doing. We're we're not
only not preparing them to be able to compete, because
we want them to be ready made to compete. Come
in ready made. If you're not ready to go, then
I'm going.

Speaker 8 (30:17):
With who is.

Speaker 14 (30:19):
But now you're also talking about those the expectations have
really really dowed in on what your obligations and your
duties are to your team, to your team, and it
only becomes an issue with your grades when your grades
are an issue. Right, It's not, oh, you didn't go

(30:42):
to class, okay, like you're going to get in trouble
for that. They have rules to govern like, you know,
going to class and getting grades, but it's really not
going to be a focal point until you've done something
that gets you in trouble. You get bad grades, you're
not going to class, whatever it may be. But it's
not a main focal point of what's taking place. So

(31:05):
I look at it like there's such it's such a
large conversation because the way we look at things. Yet
you go and you enter your name into the draft,
you can't come back. That's how I always thought it was,
and I thought that is what it was.

Speaker 8 (31:18):
I think it was when you signed with an agent.

Speaker 14 (31:19):
But yeah, when you when you signed with I thought
it was when you declare it for the draft, I
don't know.

Speaker 8 (31:24):
And if you got drafted whatever it is well for
for basketball excuse me?

Speaker 4 (31:28):
Right?

Speaker 14 (31:28):
Okay, So so again across sports, if you think about it,
you can get drafted in hockey and still they go play.
You can get drafted in baseball and still go play.
You can be a pro in volleyball and still go play, you.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 14 (31:44):
So it's like so many different different, uh you know,
ways of how things are done by sport. It's this
is going to be a very very difficult conversation to
like come up with solutions.

Speaker 13 (31:57):
For let me play Devil's advocate to you joinah in
this situation, because wouldn't you look at this and just say, well,
isn't that isn't this how it's supposed to be done? Like,
don't you go to college if you're a student to
then figure out what you want to do? How are
you gonna make money when you get out? And if
student athletes have already been able to do that at
the college level, then yeah, I think we understand the

(32:17):
long term impact or the long term risks that are
involved if you don't get your degree. But if you're
making money while you're doing that, Like, isn't that the
entire goal?

Speaker 4 (32:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (32:27):
And I look at it, and I've said this to
you guys before, it doesn't feel like this is college
sports anymore. It's this in between gray area between college
and professional to where they're selling you the illusion of well,
it's college and it's a college experience and it's this
and it's that.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
But there's money. There's a lot of money.

Speaker 15 (32:52):
There's influence, there's agents, there's like all of these things
that are that are now being factored into it. That's
professional like, that's that's pro sports. Like that's what you
deal with at the pro level.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
And and I don't begrudge any of them because yes,
like that is the goal. You go to college to
find out what's my next step? What do I want
to do in life? And they've figured this out and
they're just like John Caliparty said it in the clip.
He said, look, I got friends that are you know,
kind of feel bad. I mean, I would you know
question that how bad to actually feel? Yeah, they've got

(33:26):
twenty seven year olds on there on the team. But
John Calparti's like, well, look, don't feel bad. We don't
have any rules there's nothing to govern all this, and
so there is.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Also that John's the moral compass well, and.

Speaker 15 (33:38):
That's the other thing too, Like, you know, he made
it a point, you know, to let everybody know, hey, listen,
I recruit this way.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
He's self plugged. And he definitely saylessly plugged. He was.

Speaker 5 (33:47):
He was one of the first guys that went one
and done all the way through. I mean, Brady knows
his time in Kentucky, John Caliparty's time there.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
So he's like, he's.

Speaker 13 (33:57):
Look, he's one of the he's a Hall of Fame recruiter.
Now what he's done with some of those teams a
little disappointing as far as the development. But again, you
when you only have one year to make it work
to your point, LeVar, it's tough it like that. And
I think that's one of the issues too with even
looking at like college football, where you've got to be
out of high school for three years before you're draft eligible.

(34:20):
But nowadays coaches instead of looking at a guy that
gets there in high school and maybe he has to
put on twenty thirty pounds and maybe you have to
learn how to play the position or learn their scheme,
and then and then adapt to you know, the challenges
of being like a maturing adult with your time management,
being away from home, all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
You know.

Speaker 13 (34:40):
Now they just go, well, that guy's not ready. We're
gonna find something that transfer portal that's right, and they
bring in a guy who they've seen on film can
do the things that they're looking for. And again that's NFL,
that is free agency. That is exactly what's happening. And
it's important too because you know, not it's not happening
in college quite as much because there's so much money

(35:00):
with some of his head coaching positions, so the buyouts
are too big. But you know, as far as being
a one and done coach, but there's elements of I
think for players and families and the frustration of not
getting the development they're hoping for, at least at some places.
Like I don't want to speak for everyone because everyone's
you know, there's different schools that I think do it right,

(35:22):
and I think there's you know, unique circumstances that are
involved in some of this always, but for football, for sure,
because it's such a developmental sport. You know, there's guys
who their bodies changed dramatically and for basketball. It's a
little bit different because they've always been on the fast track.
They identify kids in junior high as you talked about
when you're on that AAU circuit and you're one of

(35:43):
those dudes like Cooper Flag.

Speaker 8 (35:45):
People knew about Cooper Flag for forever ago.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
Now have you?

Speaker 14 (35:48):
That's everybody And and that's a great point. And I
know we're up on it, but don't you think it
now has to start earlier, Like we have to like
the way we approach athletic has to be looked at
differently now. And it's interesting because it's something that I'm
working on. I'm actually going to be teaching at Penn
State this upcoming semester.

Speaker 8 (36:09):
You have to learn teach Arrington.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, profess, no way, you're not going to be You're.

Speaker 8 (36:17):
Being Professor Arrington.

Speaker 14 (36:18):
And part of writing the curriculum too, and you got
to move there and what are you doing?

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (36:24):
I know it has to it has to be a
coming of uh of terms that extra curricular needs to
be thrown out for sports. We've been brainwashed to look
at sports as extra curricular. But there's so many opportunities
that exist in sports, from agents to money managers to

(36:48):
legal representation, to the athlete themselves, to marketing and branding
and advertising. There's so many opportunities that exist in the CAB.
We have to stop segregating, separating athletics from academics. And

(37:09):
I think that that's the biggest thing. We have been
brainwashed from day one to think that everything else is
more important.

Speaker 8 (37:16):
Go to school, what do you do?

Speaker 14 (37:18):
You take your classes, and then when you're done with school,
then you go do the extracurricular things like playing a sport,
the sport that you're playing for. You have to there
has to be a understanding that the training, the development,
the preparation of how how you're being educated at the

(37:43):
younger levels has to become I think it has to
become more of a focal point. And I know we
see these different schools that are like an IMG. You know,
you see it at these different places that have the
money and the resources to do it. But there has
to be a different approach to how we view athletics
moving forward as this NIL eric continues to grow, because

(38:05):
it's impacting the high school level, it's impacting it's.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Impacting middle school. Like youth athletics is.

Speaker 14 (38:12):
Being impacted by the NIL and so to me, there's
a preparation that isn't taking place, and to be educated
as kids, to be educated as.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Parents, as adults. They don't know.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
When you guys were in high school, do you remember
taking a finance class.

Speaker 14 (38:28):
Yes, I learned how to write checks, I learned how
to balance my check work.

Speaker 8 (38:32):
I learn how to do all those things.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
But it was it was instanding. Yeah, the simple stuff.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
Correct.

Speaker 15 (38:37):
There should be something to Hey, you're gonna have a
lot of money coming your way at a really young age.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Let us teach you.

Speaker 5 (38:45):
It could be now, it could be now, Like make
that part of the requirement if you want, You've got
to learn how this works.

Speaker 15 (38:51):
So at least you've given them the tools. If they
don't use it, that's fine, but at least you've given
them the opportunity to learn.

Speaker 8 (38:56):
And and then I think that's part of some of
the curriculum.

Speaker 13 (38:58):
Now, that's that's inherent every NIL program and every school
and the college level, you know, as far as high school,
it's kind of it's it's tough to do that because
you're really really talking about like the one the point
one percent. It's such a small population that falls in
this category.

Speaker 8 (39:13):
I mean even across.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
That will go pro.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
That will go pro, sure.

Speaker 14 (39:17):
But but the idea of understanding the business of sport,
that's everybody. That's that's all, and they should have the
opportunity to be educated that way. Somebody that that played
with you on the football team could have been a
part of your business unit moving forward through school.

Speaker 8 (39:33):
You know, they could have been the person.

Speaker 14 (39:34):
That was making sure that your your branding was was correct.
Like what is Brady Brady's brand? We're going to make
sure that brand is built and pronounced. What what is
he doing financially? Like is he able to generate modeling,
gigs and stuff like that?

Speaker 2 (39:49):
He's got the me wagon, come on whatever?

Speaker 14 (39:51):
Who But think about it, his best friends are his
best friends and they're still buddies from high school.

Speaker 8 (39:56):
The role doing anything to help this process.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
There's a role for everybody, is what I'm saying.

Speaker 14 (40:02):
And if that role is carrying the bags, and it
might be carrying the bags and meat waggon, you're a backer.
We're people too, bro, I'm with you on that. Don't
let them hold you down, man, just be who you are.
But I'm just saying there is the idea that the
educating of what sport represents. It should not be looked

(40:23):
at as extracurricular. You know, we don't look at you
preparing to be a scientist as being extracurricular. We don't
look at you being an architect or a lawyer as
being extracurricular. So let's look at something that is a
tremendous fabric of what our culture and our society is,

(40:44):
which is sports, and make it more of a focal
point so that we can actually have prepared parents and
student athletes that are more enlightened and understanding what the
landscape presents. People don't even know what NIL is. Still
too this day, ask some people about what NIL is,
they wouldn't be able to tell you what it is.

(41:05):
So educating them at an earlier age, getting parents on
the same page at an earlier age for both those
who will continue on to be pros and those who
will continue on to be students. I might have been
a really really good football player and a basketball player
at the high school level. I'm not going to make
it at the college level, but i still want to

(41:26):
be a part of that sport. You're now giving them
opportunities as well. You're opening up the gates to having
people be more empowered with the changing landscape of what
sports represents. Now, that's to me, I feel like that's
what's grossly missing in America because they don't play that.
In Europe, they don't play that. If you are good,

(41:48):
they come get you and you're out of there. You're
already it's already what it is. But here we don't
do that. In fact, we frown on it. If we
give if we give benefits and favoritism to elites in athletics,
it's frowned upon, and people try to find rules to
govern it and keep them from doing it. I've seen

(42:10):
more than enough kids get, you know, suspended for seasons
because they wanted to go play out of school where
there was better coaching or better exposure or better education
on what it is that they're they're trying to do.
There's always a roadblock that we're putting up to try
to block the idea of forwarding sports. And I don't

(42:30):
understand that that it has to change at this point.

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Speaker 2 (43:29):
What up? What up?

Speaker 4 (43:30):
Brady?

Speaker 8 (43:31):
Happy New Year? Jonas, Yeah, I'll see you.

Speaker 13 (43:34):
I hope you were able to joy all the games yesterday,
all the fest cities. I know you still worked in
this time slot. However, many many took some time off
just to watch a ball hang with the family and friends.

Speaker 8 (43:44):
That's what we were doing.

Speaker 13 (43:44):
So we actually was at one of the games, so
there was some boots on the ground for the Orange Bowl,
so that.

Speaker 8 (43:52):
Was a ton of fun.

Speaker 13 (43:53):
But I'll start off by asking you this question, how
long do you get to say Happy New Year to someone?

Speaker 2 (44:01):
I think that's pretty much it. I think I think
you should just such.

Speaker 8 (44:04):
So after today, if you say happy new to someone,
you're a jerky.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (44:07):
Basically, you were the main event of the Happy New Year,
and anybody that says it after you, they're just they're
a fraud. Like it's worn out as welcome, we are done.
You just said the last one, and now you got
to move on to twenty twenty six.

Speaker 13 (44:24):
So you're not going to say Happy New Year to
LeVar when you see him on Monday.

Speaker 15 (44:28):
Oh god, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
of course not.

Speaker 5 (44:35):
I didn't even say it to my wife. No, please,
come on, no, that's not happening. Yeah, it's over. You
were the last one. So anybody that said just you're
put on notice. Anybody that says that the rest of
the day, you are a fraud. You're living a lie
and you are trying to carry on it.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
It is what I don't make these rules.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
You do this.

Speaker 13 (44:55):
I don't make these January second and twenty twenty six.
And you can't have more of a rosy attitude. Speaking
of Rosie. By the way, what about that Roles have
about you?

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Look at you, mister Segway King, Look at you.

Speaker 5 (45:08):
Can I tell you, just because the nuances of football
you've forgotten more than ninety nine percent of the planet.
I'll just say this that there are certain games where
you watch and you don't need to know the nuances.
You don't need to know the fine details. You can
just look at it and it is completely obvious to

(45:30):
the untrained eye. Indiana is so much better than Alabama.
It's almost shocking. Like I was watching the game going
you know what reminded me of It reminded me of
when SEC teams in the early two thousands or mid
two thousands were playing other.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Teams like that's it.

Speaker 5 (45:50):
Like it's almost like roles reverse, like those old Florida
teams with Urban Mire, Like it was like roles reverse
to where you're watching and it looks like two different
levels of football.

Speaker 8 (46:00):
I am look I'm still shocked. I still keep.

Speaker 13 (46:06):
Thinking that I'm like a sleep and I'm dreaming and
I'm watching a team that I mean, if you go
back to the Big Ten Championship. We always get these
notes before some of these games, and I believe Indiana
was the second most losing program in college football history,
and I keep taking that into account. I remember, like

(46:27):
looking at some of the notes of how Ohio State
has like the second most wins something like that, and
the difference between Ohio State and their program history of
wins and Indiana, that difference I think equated to We're
almost equated to the amount of wins that Indiana has
that in school history. So when we talk about what

(46:48):
Kurt Signetti, Fernando Mendoza, the staff, the players, everyone involved,
when we talk about what they've done, not only last year,
because last year was kind of that moment where you're like, okay,
that Cinderell story, you know, where you're dreaming and you're like,
are you gonna wake up?

Speaker 8 (47:03):
As this dream ever gonna a good end.

Speaker 13 (47:06):
This year solidified the foundation of what they did last
year and what they're doing this year. To me, it's
the greatest turnaround in sports history, Like I can't think
of some people talked about Kansas State. This is way
beyond that. You throw me out a professional sports franchise.

(47:26):
That's a bigger turnaround a team that was largely viewed
as a doormat. I mean, I can't tell you. I
visited there back when I was in high school. A buddy,
Adam Cadello, who's a linebacker, who was looking to go
there too, and we kind of went on the visit
and coach.

Speaker 8 (47:42):
Donardo was there. I loved Coach Donardo is running a
West Coast system.

Speaker 13 (47:46):
But you got there and you looked at the home stadium,
you looked at facilities, and you're like, this is not
a football school.

Speaker 8 (47:53):
This is a basketball school. Man Like coming off obviously
on Bobby.

Speaker 13 (47:56):
Knight and that you know, growing up watching him when
I was young being a basketball player.

Speaker 8 (48:00):
I can't.

Speaker 13 (48:01):
I still can't fathom what they've accomplished. And what sticks
out the most to me, Jonas is being at the
Big Ten championship game and big around this team. When
you see them up close, you know they don't it
looks like David and Goliath. Like I know that reference
gets thrown around a bunch, but when you look at

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the sheer size of the players on Indiana versus the
Ohio States, the Alabama's the name you're in organ for example,
who they beat earlier this season. When you look at
them on the field versus one another, you're going, yeah,
I don't think they're gonna match up, but they overcome
that with the way they play as a team. They seldom,

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if ever make mistakes. They're one of the best technical
teams you will ever find. I think what stands out
to me the most too, is even when they're putting
positions where they have to win a one on one battle,
they're either winning that one on one matchup I don't
care if it's on the offensive line and wide receiver
at dB or to stalemate. Like they don't really lose,
Like they just don't do the things that other teams

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do that end up losing them football games. And it's
incredible to watch how they time and time again end
up being the more physical team, end up being the
better team.

Speaker 8 (49:17):
And look, I was wrong. I said I thought Bamba
could keep it closed.

Speaker 13 (49:20):
I didn't think they were gonna win necessarily because I
don't think I don't think BAM would even deserve to
be in the playoff for that matter, But that's another conversation.
But just from being down there and seeing those players,
it's incredible.

Speaker 8 (49:32):
When you look at what the Upper against every week.

Speaker 13 (49:34):
And it'll be that way again as they have a
rematch now versus Oregon again, they will be outmatched by
as far as the eye test, you know, looking at
both teams on the field before the game. But they
have constantly overachieved and this is a damn good football team.

Speaker 15 (49:49):
The hit on Tys Simpson where he was scrambling, which
was kind of a key moment in the game because
he was gonna pick up a first down. I think
it was ten to nothing at that point, and it
was like, all right, if they could get down and
get a score. You know, they get it to one
score and then you know there's some you know, they
start to feel good about things, and he just gets
lit and fumbles the ball and you just see the
look on his face and it looked like all that's

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that's just a different level, Like they're playing Indiana's playing
at a different level than we've seen before, and it
should I just come away from that, yeah, really impressed,
but shocked to see Alabama. I think the stat was
it's the first time Alabama's been held without a touchdown

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in a bowl game since nineteen sixty.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
I mean, they got clowned. That wasn't close.

Speaker 5 (50:39):
Yesterday, and Indiana just did whatever they wanted to, just
whatever they wanted to all game long, totally exposed him.

Speaker 8 (50:47):
It was really really impressive.

Speaker 13 (50:48):
And look, you know, I think we can be critical
of some of Alabama. For example, I think on a
fourth and one, they're running like a jet sweep.

Speaker 8 (50:55):
It's like, dude, you're Alabama, Like you.

Speaker 13 (50:57):
Can't run the football versus a team that you've got
a i mean decisive size of vantage over on both
sides of the ball. I mean, I do feel like
Ryan Grubb just gets too cute sometimes with some of
the things he does. And it again credit to Indiana,
you know, defensively, and we've talked about this before and

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obviously Levar's not here today working with us, but they
do something that's like somewhat unique. You don't hear you know,
usually pre snap, a lot of defensive players are assigned
to a gap. They allowed their defensive front to basically penetrate,
you know, get upfield penetrate, and they allow the backers
to fit off of that, and there's elements of that
that take place on every level. But when you watch them,

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it's so fluid. They never feel like they're out of position,
they never feel like they're out of a gap, and
they just work together. They do all those little things
that like you hear and you're top. And again, credit
to Kurt Signetti and credit to the staff. You know,
his staff has been with him for such a long
period of time that it just it feels like they
have a sense in every phase of how they want

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to play the game together, like the offense, defense, especial
teams all working in unison.

Speaker 8 (52:08):
And then they have a quarterback who you.

Speaker 13 (52:11):
Know, is as efficient, is as accurate, is as tough
and gritty at times. I mean, Fernando Mendoz is not
one of the better athletes that's gonna be on the field,
but he finds a way to use his legs to
extend plays when something's not there. He finds a way
of you know, not creating a disaster of a play.
He gets upfield, he gets what he can it's positive

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yardage or back to the line of scrimmage. You know,
he throws the football away. I just the entire group
is so impressive. And you know, of all the teams
that you look at and say, well, everyone else, you
know they got to buy couldn't figure it out in
that quarterfinal round.

Speaker 8 (52:49):
Not the case for Indiana.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
Huh.

Speaker 13 (52:50):
Like they're taking every narrative and they're throwing it out
the window. And I think the spin off of this
conversation is they're doing this in Indiana. This isn't a
blue blood like this is a program that again has
been a doormat in college football with a few exceptions

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throughout its history besides the past two years since Kurt
Signetty got there, and they've turned it around to this
and we can.

Speaker 8 (53:19):
Look at other examples.

Speaker 13 (53:20):
We can look at Vanderbilt right like we can we
can start saying, hey, there's as much parity in college
football as ever because of the transfer portal, and now
that's the level of the playing field because of nil
on how some institutions and some programs have been able
to benefit from that and help them to create you know,
more Perry and their roster and some of their their
top line players.

Speaker 8 (53:39):
That's part of it.

Speaker 13 (53:39):
Too, But it puts a lot of other coaches on notice,
like if those if those programs have the money to
buy out those coaches, they'll do it, yea. And those
guys are feeling that, they're feeling like they're on the
hot seat right now. And the programs that aren't buying
those coaches out, probably because they don't have the money,
that's a tough spot being But Indiana doing what they've

(54:02):
done to me, I don't know if you agree with this,
but I think it's the greatest turnaround in sports, like,
not just college football, in sports. With what they've been
able to do thus far. And if they if they
wouldn't all it only adds to it. But even just
getting to this point, it's incredible now.

Speaker 15 (54:21):
Kurt Signetti afterwards, was on with Rhees Davis on the
stage after the Rose Bowl and you know, was asked
about the movie Hoo's Yours, but he made sure to
let people know there's a rallying cry there in Bloomington.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Who would start Urt Signetti in the movie.

Speaker 17 (54:38):
I don't know about that one, but there'd be a lot.
There'd been a big cast of characters. Because it's all
about people. You gotta have the right people on your staff,
the right guys in the locker room, and we've been
very fortunate and these guys buy in. They all think alike,
they play like we want them to play. There's been
a lot of first It is kind of surreal. There's
no doubt about it. I understand why there's been a

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lot of skeptics, but I only have one thing to say.

Speaker 18 (55:06):
Perfectly sent perf Congratulations champ Man.

Speaker 8 (55:12):
I'm telling you and I'd all say this much.

Speaker 13 (55:14):
I was obviously down at the Orange Bowl yesterday and
there before the Oregon Texas Tech game, and there was
Indiana fans there, like there was Indiana people who dressed
up New Year's that were celebrating it in South Florida
and just wanted to come to the game. And I
guess they're just waiting to keep moving along with Indiana
as they go through the playoff. But they have a
fan base that is crazy about what this team has accomplished.

Speaker 8 (55:37):
And there's that saying like, act like you've been there before.

Speaker 13 (55:39):
Well look, let's give Indiana fans, uh, you know, a
little room for air here because they like this is
a first. They've never been here before, so they don't
know how to act about it. So I'm okay with
them wilding out right now when you see those Inana
fans who are excited about what their team's done.

Speaker 15 (55:53):
Look, I know it's it's way too early to start
talking dynasties and all that stuff with the the end
and they haven't won one yet, But I'm just saying
in the sense of, because you pointed out, you know,
we're getting to like they've never done anything close to
this before, Like when we grew up, you know, the
Jordan Bulls. You know, that was like the team, Like
everybody loved the Jordan Bulls, but there was a long
time before that where they were awful like they were,

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and so it's hard to imagine in the moment like,
oh really the but you we were sort of there
in the embryotic stages of them developing into this great
team and and and all of a sudden, the history
of the team completely changed.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
And it almost feels like.

Speaker 5 (56:33):
We're getting to live in the moment of the beginning
stages of maybe another powerhouse. And it's kind of cool
to watch because, yeah, the history of it, they've been
so bad for some like the were so bad for
so long, and yet here they are and it's two
years in a row. And they're dominating great programs like Alabama.

(56:54):
I think it's a cool opportunity to see something from
the beginning stages because look, there's a lot of you
know and you men, and I've talked about this before.
When you walk through the you know, the Boston it
was at Logan Airport in Boston. They've got all the
championship flags there.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
You're in laws.

Speaker 5 (57:08):
But there was a long time before the Patriots went
on that dynasty.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
They were terrible, terrible, Like a lot of Patriots fans
remember that.

Speaker 5 (57:16):
And there's a you know, a group of Patriots fans
now that look around and go all I know for
the most part is success. And they're back and maybe
potentially going to make a deep run and maybe have
the MVP of the league this year. I think Indiana
is in the beginning stages of all this, and I
think it's really cool to watch because we'll be able
to if this goes the way that it's gone the

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first two years with Signetti, we'll be able to tell
people years down the road, Oh, you guys have no
idea what this was like.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Beforehand, Like enjoy it.

Speaker 15 (57:45):
Yeah, they're popping up left and right, and maybe there's
some in CTI fans that are that are jumping around
and and you know, bringing out all their old Indiana stuff.
But I just think it illustrates how desolate things were
there for Indiana for so long to where yeah, it
was a basketball school and Kurt Signette's got him rolling, man,
it's fine.

Speaker 13 (58:03):
Well, and that's where even like, because I was talking
with my in laws about this, because I said, you know,
even before the Patriots went on the round with the Belichick,
like they'd been to a super Bowl with Parcels and
what Tony Easton at quarterback, you know, they experienced like
some level of getting to the championship before, like really
the greatness occurred there.

Speaker 8 (58:21):
There's nothing like this, No, like there's been nothing.

Speaker 13 (58:24):
I mean, Tom Allen had a nine to ten one
year whatever it was or somewhere in that ballpark. He
was competitive in Indiana and hell it might have been
that shit that a COVID year now that I think
about it, when Michael Pennix was there and they kind
of competed within.

Speaker 8 (58:35):
The Big ten.

Speaker 13 (58:36):
But they've never really been able to replicate anything of
what they've done these past two years.

Speaker 8 (58:43):
It's why I keep.

Speaker 13 (58:44):
Kind of going back to I can't think of another
really program that has struggled to the degree that Indiana
has and has now done this, and I think, look again,
we're only at the semi final portion of the of
the playoff or the tournament.

Speaker 8 (58:58):
But the hard thing is they're gonna have to start
over again at quarterback.

Speaker 13 (59:04):
Now his brother, Fernando's brother, Alberto I believe is his
first name.

Speaker 8 (59:08):
He's there's the backup.

Speaker 13 (59:09):
So I would assume that might be a guy that
looking at or maybe Signetti wants to go back to
the portal again because they've they've kind of lived off
of two things, and that's some of the players he
brought from James Madison with him, but also from Portal
players that he's you know, has transferred in very similar
to Fernanda Mendoza coming from cal So, you know, in
one way, that's one of the things that's allowed them

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to be able to go on this run and build
the roster the way they have. And the other, you know,
part of that is there's gonna be times where you miss.
And so that's why when you talk about even like
mentioning dynasty, like dude, this is so hard to do,
and especially the way they've done it in some ways
early on because there's so much roster turnover and there
will be like, this is a team that has players

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are gonna get drafted, Like there will be the most
players from this roster drafted in Indiana history.

Speaker 8 (59:57):
And I don't know that it's gonna be close.

Speaker 13 (01:00:00):
So replacing Mendoza, replacing some of these players you're going
to lose, and then trying to come back and do
it again, that's the tough part. But it feels like
Signetti has that when you talk to his staff and
you talk to like what would be the equivalent of
their front office folks in their scouting department. You know,
those guys say, you know, he sits down with all

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these players and he's very very diligent with how he
does film and all these cut ups and different things
he does. He's like, so he sees the player, he
knows the player what they're capable of. But the secret
is he talks to them and he interviews them, and
from that singular meeting, when they walk out of the

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room their scouting department, he'll kind of give a nod
of yes or no. And to the point of what
he said postgame about all these guys buying in all
these guys are on the same page, there is some
conversation that occurs, and whatever is said back to him,
he's able to discern whether.

Speaker 8 (01:01:00):
Or not that person is the right fit.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Wow.

Speaker 13 (01:01:04):
And I think that's one of the biggest things that
stands out to me about just what they've accomplished is, Dude,
it's a bunch of I don't want to say castaways
or misfits as they've described themselves, but I look at
a guy like Pat Coogan. He was at Notre Dame.
He was there somewhat in a backup role, but then
he got thrust it into a starting role. Was phenomenal

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at Notre Dame. But he's not there anymore, in part
because he wasn't going to start this upcoming season, so
he transferres to Indiana and now he's a part of
the team that's playing in the semi final, potentially for
a national championship.

Speaker 8 (01:01:34):
And you look at like a player like that, for.

Speaker 13 (01:01:37):
Example, he obviously has a certain makeup of a certain
building and a huge chip on his shoulder. And I
think that's what Kurt Signetti has really found in a
lot of these players is at one point, they were
told they weren't big enough, they weren't fast enough, they
weren't good enough, they weren't smart enough. And he's found
an edge and he's found a way to use them
in the right way where they fit. And I think

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it's a lesson for like dude, or like a lot
of people maybe might be listening who are in a
job that they're not they don't feel appreciated in, or
they'll feel like they're maximized in. Like man, you can
be passionate as you want about something, but you also
have to be in the right place and the right
fit for what that place is looking for. And that's
one where Indiana's like the case study for that right now,
because it feels like every single person that walks in

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that program and he brings on his team and he
decides to coach and develop, it just seems like the
right fit and they're fit for one another.

Speaker 15 (01:02:29):
If you go to Sports Reference and you just look
up Indiana, just look up the school history. God, they've
had some bad years. Whoa like these and you pointed
this out. It's the first time. The first time they
ever won double digit games in a season was last year,
Like just it's crazy in the history of the program,
and it's not like they just got here, you know,
twenty minutes ago, or it's Yukon that's.

Speaker 8 (01:02:50):
Been around football for a long time. One hundred Stadium.

Speaker 5 (01:02:55):
Looks like one hundred and twenty seven years of Indiana
football and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
We're finally here.

Speaker 8 (01:03:00):
So it's so good for them. That's been grab fun things.
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