November 7, 2025 • 40 mins
Ross Tucker sits in for Dan and runs with the Danettes as they react to a terrible, no-good Thursday night game between the Broncos and Raiders. And NFL Films senior producer and analyst Greg Cosell joins Ross to talk about NFL teams of interest, and how some quarterbacks like Drake Maye have been doing as the NFL season enters the second half of the season.
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the Ross Tucker Football Podcast. So it's rare that I'm
in here the day after an NFL game, because 's
usually meet Fridays in the offseason. There was a game
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last night. It was the Broncos and the Raiders, and
I got to tell you, if you guys missed it, congratulations,
I'm so happy for you. If you did not watch
last night's game. I don't know many people. I might
not even know any that love football more than me.
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That was bad. That was a bad game. And I
can appreciate good defense. I like, I'm fine with low
scoring games, but I don't know how much of that
was good defense and how much of that was bad offense.
To put in perspective, I saw this stats somewhere. I
forgot to write it down, so I don't know the
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exact stat whatever. You guys can google it. That's what
the internet's for. I think it might have been the
first game since nineteen fifty where both teams had more
penalties than points. More penalties than points. I don't care
how much you love the sport. That's a tough watch
when there's more penalties than points. The Broncos end up
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winning ten to seven over the Raiders. So the Broncos
are now eight and two, and I'm going to go
on record right now and say that was the worst
performance by a team getting their record to eight and
two in the history NFL has a team ever looked
worse and played worse in pursuit of an eight and
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two record, which they got. I gotta start with Fritzy
this morning. We'll get to all your calls. Fritzy in
all sincerity, how did you feel watching that game last
night with your beloved Broncos? And how do you feel
this morning now that you slept on it.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I watched every plan as they do for all the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
There was extremely frustrating and I'm starting to think like
they didn't get a first down till the middle of
the second quarter.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
They're a rookie punter.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I don't know any of us could have punted, but
I don't know what he was doing kicking off the
side of his foot, couldn't pin them inside the twenty
kicks it into the end. It was terrible and for
a team to be You're right, for a team to
be eight and to there the number one seed in
the AFC right now, to look like that offensively, fans
were booing and rightfully. So they wait till the fourth
quarter to score points, which didn't even happen last night.
At least you're thinking the fourth quarter they'd wake up
and get some points. They're not gonna be able to
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let the defense. I know they got away within twenty
fifteen when Peyton was hurt and everything, but you can't
wait until the fourth quarter to wake up offensively, and
the defense is not gonna be able to tell them
out every week.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
You're not gonna have thirty three point fourth quarter.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Games against the Giants come back against the Super Bowl
champions in Philadelphia in the fourth quarter. That's just not
gonna happen. You can't live like that.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
So I guess the question.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
I got you there, By the way, just in case
anyone was wondering, that wasn't pre recorded and then doubled
in speed. That was Todd actually doing that live. That
was actually live, that wasn't forwarded.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I want everybody, all radio or TV to know this. Okay,
the guys have the ability. There's called talkback. Okay, so
I can press a button. You guys, if you watch Peacock,
you've probably seen Dan do it before. He can press
a button and talk to the guys. But also the
guys can say something to me in my left ear.
And while Fritzy was going, PAULI said in my left ear,
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if you don't stop it, I'll just keep going.
Speaker 6 (04:52):
I can't argue that almost lost it, Tom, is not
like punctuation, all right, So you understand what I was
watching least.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
But time you're on a Now you know I'm a
huge fan of you. Right's huge. You're on the biggest
sports talk radio show in the country.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Pauses periods, but that these are punctuation is your friend?
Situation is your punctuation is your friend? Todd, I had
to get that all. I'm glad you did. But here's
my question. By the way, you made some great points.
We said a lot of records last night. That was
also the greatest punter disparity punter. The guy for the
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Raiders is the AJ Cole must be the greatest punter.
Twice he has the ball hit on the one and
then make a right turn and go ten yards out
of bounds. It's the craziest thing. Aj Cole was the
best football player that I saw. Aj Cole and Max
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Crosby and Benino. But here's the crux of it, Todd
and I want, I want to know what Paulie would
think and Seaton and Marv. Do you look at it
and say, man, that was horrible. We're not good. I
know we're eighting too, but we're not good. Or do
you look at it and say, I don't care, we're
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eating too. I don't care how it looks rating too.
You guys can kiss my you know what.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
For me, it's much more the former than the latter,
because I know what they have defensively, and I keep
waiting for the offense to prove they can hold up
their end of the bargain and be a deep playoff
run team, and their record is very deceiving. On one hand,
you know, they could have beat the Colts and charges
on those last second fields. They could have been nine
and one or ten and zero. But my son reminds
me some of those games that they just pulled that
could have gone the other way.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
They could be a.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Four and six team right now just as easily. So
I don't know what we're getting yet offensively with this time.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
All right, So I feel like you guys know, I
grew up outs out of Philadelphia. Okay, So all my
buddies and family and friends, they're diehard Eagles fans. So
I'm on the text chain during every Eagles game, and
it feels like people are like after a game like that,
there's really one of two ways you can go. This
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team stinks. I don't care that they won, They're still
not good. That was pathetic. Or I don't give a
you know what, we won, that's all that matters. I
feel like my friends they go one of two ways. Paulli,
which way are you? Which way would you be? See?
Speaker 7 (07:24):
I'm more of a middle ground guy. I try to
be level headed. But I think a lot of people
didn't see the Broncos play this year until last night
because they play at one o'clock or four o'clock and
you mix it in with the red zone. But last
night stand alone, if you look at them last night,
they did not look like a threatening team. And I
thought three weeks ago, this is a really interesting team,
really good pass rush. But then you look at their
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schedule this year. They have one quality win. They beat
the Eagles by four. Otherwise their wins are against the Titans,
the Jets, the Giants, the Cowboys, the Texans, and the Raiders.
So it's like a false eight and two. You feel
good at the position of your I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Believe in that. By the way, well it's an NFL team. Yeah,
they're playing other NFL teams. I'll say this as from
a former players perspective. You never have to apologize for
a win, and in fact, I would argue it's a
really good sign when you win even though you played
like crap. If you win an NFL game, even though
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you played like crap, you're probably pretty good. It's hard
to win these games. Ask the Saints, ask the Titans,
ask the Jets. It's hard to win NFL football games.
If you're able to win when you look that bad,
that's a good sign setan.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
I think if you look at say a team like
the Chiefs last year, I don't know exactly how many
one score games fifteen in a row, but it was
a lot of them, and they took that all the
way to the Super Bowl. So now, granted, I know
the Chiefs are the Chiefs and the Broncos are the Broncos,
and there's history that we have to look at. But
there's something to be said. Are you barely winning in
a good way or are you barely winning in a
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bad way?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
You know? Are you?
Speaker 8 (09:04):
Are you barely getting wins to.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
You know, advance and like I see, we do just
enough to keep winning, or you could be on the
flip side, obviously that and keep losing. But I think
that there's a lane for teams who keep winning close
games to advance, and that if at eight and two,
maybe the Broncos could be that this year.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
So what's crazy about that is that the Chiefs had
the NFL's longest streak ever of winning fifteen straight one
score games. Guess what they are in one score games
this year, zero to four. Those things have a way
of kind of evening themselves out. Although listen to uh
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Fritzy's point, the Broncos play the Chiefs next Sunday, I
would be stunned if the Chiefs aren't favored in that game,
I'd be stunned.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
Go ahead, PAULI, Well, that's why I was going to
ask you. Records and belief in a team are two
different things. If I had to say, pick the team
that's going to go the Furthest this year in the
AFC West Broncos, Chargers, Chiefs. It's close right right now
because the Chiefs are.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Who's not saying Chiefs really?
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Well, I have my like I don't know, May or
June prediction, I don't remember exactly what it was. Was
the Chiefs aren't making the playoffs this year, so I
have to.
Speaker 9 (10:24):
Stick with that a scalding hot of the time.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Okay, well, I'll just tell you right now. I would
absolutely take the Chiefs out of those three teams to
go to the Furthest in the playoffs. Absolutely. However, the
Broncos have a real chance here to win the division
and to greatly increase the degree of difficulty for the
Chiefs to get back to the super Bowl. Yes, they
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can win three road playoff games. But if the Broncos
can win that division, they're actually doing the Bills and
the Ravens and a bunch of these teams a huge favorite.
I think the first question is more or less this,
is there any such thing as a bad win? Do
you go ahead, Marv?
Speaker 10 (11:07):
Not in the NFL. I think in college there could be.
But in the NFL, a win is a win you're
playing against, like you said earlier. You're playing against other
NFL players, You'll take the win anyway you can get it.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
Go ahead, Ay, I'm agreeing with Marvin. I'm a Bears fan,
and the Bears beat the Bengals by a hair last
week two. Their defense was awful. They made Joe Flacco
look like he was in his twenties. They got beat
all games. Their special teams were awful. That was an
awful performance by the Bears. The offense was good, but
they stole a win, and you're like, it's it's like
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the deodorant of a bad performance.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
There is a lot to get to today, by the way,
because we have an unbelievable guest list thanks to Fritzi,
who we still need to find out why he's wearing
a blonde wig. I got this civilian goat NFL films legend.
Greg Cosell will join us in about ten minutes. Andy
Staples in our number two, the college football expert for
(12:05):
on three Sports. There's a lot to get to with him.
The first college football playoff poll came out. We keep
having coaches fired, but nobody's actually been hired, and we've
got a bunch of good games this weekend. By the way,
the Indiana Hoosiers are double digit favorite favorites at Penn State.
That is a real thing.
Speaker 9 (12:25):
You just said that.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
On the national side, I think I like, I think
I stuttered. Like the Indiana Hoosiers in football are double
digit favorites in Happy Valley against the Penn State Nitney Lyons.
And then we'll have Dane Brugler from the Athletic This
is important. He'll join us at eleven twenty am Eastern time.
He's probably the best draft guy scout out there. What
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happened to all the top quarterbacks for this draft? And
if you're all these teams out there, like the Browns
or the Jets or whoever, and your stock by first
round picks, who are you drafting Dante Moore from Oregon?
This Fernando Mendoza guy from Indiana. So there's a lot
to get to. We've got great guests, including one other
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thing we need to get to. That happened yesterday? I
guess did the Marshawn Neeland news the Cowboys defensive end
who passed away? Did that happen after your show?
Speaker 9 (13:25):
Yeses, after we wrapped up yesterday?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yes? Got it? Okay, Well, for those of you that
for the most part, listen and get your news and
sports information from this show. Just an incredibly, incredibly sad
tragedy that we found out about yesterday late morning. Marshawn
neland he's a second year second round pick defensive end
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out of Western Michigan for the Dallas Cowboys. He was
found deceased yesterday. They are ruling it a suicide, and man,
it hits home on a lot of levels. I mean,
this guy just had a touchdown on Monday night on
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a blocked punt. You know, I was once a second
year Cowboy. I actually called multiple of his games at
Western Michigan, and I guess I don't know what to
say other than you never really know what's going on
in someone else's life. You never really know what someone
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else is going through. Because from the outside, I think
most people would think this guy is at the top
of the world. He's twenty four, he plays for the Cowboys.
He scored a touchdown on Monday night football. I mean,
from the outsider's perspective, you would think this guy is
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on top of the world. Obviously that was not the case.
And the only thing I would say about that is
I think we lose sight sometimes because they're professional athletes
and we see him on our television that they're still
human beings and they still have personal issues. They still
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have family issues. Think about Josh Simmons, the left tackle
for the Chiefs. He just missed the last four games
because of family issues. Again, I don't know what those are.
None of us know what Marshawn Neeland was going through,
but it is incredibly, incredibly sad to think that he
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is no longer with us. I don't know if any
of you guys, I don't know what else there is
to say on a topic like this other than mental
health is a really really important thing, and it's critical
that we all check on our family and friends and
don't just say how you doing. If you say how
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you doing and they don't say great, maybe try to
dig a little deeper.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
I don't know, Paulie Well, I think it's important to
have you here today because, like you said, you were
a player, and I heard Danie Rolofski say yesterday, when
he was young in the league, if he had issues,
he don't wouldn't be comfortable sharing it because maybe it's
even though he's not that old, maybe there's a generation
to go but in the locker room, how often can
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that be talked about?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
It?
Speaker 7 (16:31):
Can that be is our person you can talk to
on a team you played the sport we didn't.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
You know what's so fascinating about that. I think it's changed.
I know that a lot of teams have sports psychologists now,
so I think it's changed. But the truth is, when
I was a player, I would not have told the
team that something was going on with me or my
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family because I want them to hold that against me,
and I don't know, you know, Marshaw Kneeland was starting,
and he's a second round pick. So but the point
is is I would not have told the team. And
I can think of two different instances where I was
not in a good place mentally during my career. My
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second year was something that happened on the field, which
we can get to a little bit later in the show.
My fourth year was actually a family situation, and in
both instances, I was not in as good of a
place as I would have liked to have been, especially
you know, having to go out there and perform thoughts
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and prayers for sure, with Marshaw Neeland's family, friends loved
ones just obviously gone way way too soon. Greg Cosell
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Just getting started here on a meet Friday. Ross Tucker,
the former Journeyman offensive lineman turned NFL broadcaster, in the
big chair for Dan today with the Dan Nets. No
TV game for me this weekend. I had doubleheader last weekend. Saturday,
I did Army at Air Force. Sunday I did Chargers Titans,
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but there's several buys, so I don't have a TV game.
I will be in the booth with Kevin Harlan Monday
Night for the Packers and the Eagles on Westwood One.
We'll talk about that a little bit later because Lambeau
is by far my favorite NFL stadium. We gotta get
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(19:23):
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We're gonna get to my guy Greg Cosell, who's an
absolute legend from NFL film is momentarily but seton what
are we thinking right now? For the pole question?
Speaker 8 (19:42):
Well, there's only one pole question when you're.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
In what's that?
Speaker 9 (19:46):
What do you got?
Speaker 8 (19:47):
Djon Honey spicy or yellow?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Ooh that is a good one.
Speaker 8 (19:54):
Wow, Djon Honey spicy or yellow?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
That is great because I need to talk about my incident.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
I'm positive Rosell is on today, by the way, is
to break down this polkrad and then do football.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
You know what, Greg seems to me like a DJON guy, Like,
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a lot of people are familiar with your outstanding work
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the NFL Matchup show on esp and ESPN two the
next couple of days. I guess we got to get
your thoughts on the poll question first, Greg. I know
that this is why you break down the tape spicy mustard,
yellow mustard, honey mustard or djon mustard.
Speaker 11 (21:24):
I think I'm a golden spicy brown kind of guy.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Ross. Yes, I knew it. I knew it.
Speaker 11 (21:32):
Yes, I'm I'm not a great pupon guy, I don't.
I can't remember the last time I ever had great pupon.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
But you know that.
Speaker 11 (21:40):
That's why above my investment portfolio.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
You know, I love the fact. Just so everybody knows,
I talked to this guy at least once a week,
now twice a week. I've never talked with Greg about
mustard before. And not only did he say spicy, he
shouted out my favorite spicy brown mustard, Golden's. He gave
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it the actual name brand. Gosh, this show is going
so well so far. All right, we'll get to more
of the mustard talk a little bit later. I guess
here's my first question, Greg, after watching that game last night?
Speaker 11 (22:17):
Oh you did?
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Huh? Yeah?
Speaker 11 (22:19):
I built Phil Badley for you. Well, I went to
Better early Ross because I was at the gym at
ten or five this morning, so I didn't see much
of that game.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Well, I know you'll break down the film later, So
that's why I'm not going to specifically ask you about
last night. But when you look at, for example, the
Broncos and the Patriots, they both only have two losses,
where are you right now with Bo Nixon Drake May?
In other words, have you seen enough from either one
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of those guys to think, you know what, they might
be able to do it in a playoff game against
Josh Allen and the Bills or Lamar Jason Ravens. What
have you seen from those two guys, you know, in
particular Nixon May.
Speaker 11 (23:07):
Well, if we want to start with May, I think
May has played consistently far better than Nix has. May
has just better traits overall too. I mean, I've had
the ability to stand next to both guys. May is
just a big, big man, and he plays the game
effortlessly easily.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
You know.
Speaker 11 (23:26):
One of the things that I was taught years ago,
and actually I think it was a conversation I had
with Phil Simms years ago. When you watch a quarterback
and they throw it so easily, he may looks effortless
throwing the ball effortless down the field and it's just
easy for him.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
To throw it.
Speaker 11 (23:43):
And one thing I think is really stood out this year,
and you're never sure about this till you get to
the NFL ross is his ability to move within the pocket.
You don't see a lot of that in college because
it's not usually that necessary in college football to play
like that, But in the NFL pockets get squead there's
more bodies around you. How a quarterback reacts to that
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is something that I really evaluate carefully. And I think
that pocket movement is a really important trade and May
has really shown that trade. Nix, on the other hand,
I think has been very, very inconsistent. I think that
his ball location has at times been good and has
at times lest something to be desired. You're almost and
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you hate to say this about a quarterback, and I
like bo Nicks overall, but he's almost at the point
now where sometimes you're just not certain what you're gonna
get with bo Nicks. And and you know, obviously he's
had these big fourth quarter comebacks, but you don't want
to you don't want to live like that. You know,
you want more consistency from from play one to play seventy,
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and that hasn't been the case with him for much
of this season.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I'm curious about that. When you're breaking down the tape
and you see these guys play their best in the
fourth quarter or in the last couple of minutes, what
do you what do you make out of that?
Speaker 11 (25:00):
Well, you have to look at the reason why, what
kind of plays are they making? You know, if bo
Nix has made a number of plays in the fourth
quarter where it's been one on one on fade balls
and he's made a very good throw, and then quarterlet
Sutton has gone up against good coverage and.
Speaker 9 (25:14):
Made a catch.
Speaker 11 (25:16):
Obviously that play counts and it's a good job by
both guys. He did make a great play. I remember
specifically against the Eagles where he made a great read
and a great throw to I believe it was sudden
on a third and fifteen maybe if memory serves me correctly,
and that was a really big time throw with great
timing and anticipation and ball location. But I think you
always have to look at the plays themselves, and that
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to me is just like interceptions. You always have to
look at interceptions as individual plays, not as a number
on a stat sheet. You've got to look at the plays. So,
you know, I think that Knicks has made obviously they've
come back in games, and he certainly made throws and
he uses his legs extremely well. We saw that who
do they It was the Giants, right, the Giants where
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they had that crazy comeback and scored thirty three in
the fourth quarter. And you have to look at all
those plays as individual plays, not just say wow, they
came back. So you know, that's the way I go
about it anyway.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
You know, it's funny by the way, you think about
some of the rookie quarterbacks that are playing right now,
Jackson Dart and Yep and cam Ward and obviously now
Tyler Shuck, And maybe they're not in great situations. You know, Greg,
I called a couple of Patriots games last year, and
they might have had the worst O line and the
worst receiving core, and I still thought Drake may look good,
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you know, so you can still look good as a quarterback.
You know the other teams I wanted to ask you about.
Speaker 11 (26:41):
Well, just one quick point if I could. Yeah, when
you evalue I learned this from people smarter than I
am at back quarterback play. Going back to Bill Walsh,
when you evaluate a quarterback cross you have to evaluate
him separately from the circumstances. You have to isolate on
the traits of the quarterback. We know that certain teams
don't have great receivers, or certain teams may not have
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a great run game. That's all fine. That has nothing
to do with how a quarterback plays. The position of quarterback,
you have to isolate the quarterback and separate him from
the rest of the team. That's how you evaluate a quarterback.
You understand that, hey, maybe he's not throwing to great guys,
but that doesn't dictate how he goes about playing the
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position of quarterback.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
All right, well, let's evaluate a couple of other quarterbacks,
because again looking at the top of the standings, I
see the seven and two Indianapolis Colts, Yeah, and I
see the six and two Seattle Seahawks and Greg No
matter who I talk to, they are not gonna believe
in danel Jones or Sam Darnold until they actually see
(27:47):
those guys win a playoff game. What are you seeing?
Are you seeing enough that the rest of us should
buy in and should believe that these teams are real?
Speaker 11 (27:59):
And I don't think give it like that.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Row.
Speaker 11 (28:00):
It's like, you know, when people say, are these teams
for real? All I know is what we have up
to this point and how these teams play. So if
you look at the Colts, and by the way, Daniel
Jones made some really good throws this past week, even
though they lost to the Steelers and he had to
drop back fifty five times, which, as you know, no
coach wants a quarterback to drop back fifty five times
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in a game. He had twenty six dropbacks alone in
the fourth quarter, and as I said, he made some
big time throws. Now, there's a team that is very
much based on the fact that they dominate on first down,
and first down domination is the result of being in
control of games close enough that you can do what
you want to do on first down. Jones had the
(28:43):
most first down passing yardage in the league. Jonathan Taylor
is among the league leaders in first down rushing yardage.
They dominate on first down, and when you can't do that,
the game changes. And then when you have to drop
back on every single play, as they did every play
in the fourth quarter last week was a pass twenty
six plays and as you probably saw, there are two
(29:04):
tackles in that game. Did not play well in one
on one pass protection when they were asked to block
one on one against Watton Heismith. So they had a
very difficult game. But I think the nature of the
Colts offense is such that if they can stay within
the game that they're very very good. Donald he's another guy.
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He's really good in specific ways. Every quarterback for the
most part, Ross has defined strengths and then certain limitations.
That's just true with every quarterback, even great ones. Okay,
so Donald is really good as a play action quarterback.
The reeds are more defined. He pushes it down the
field as well as any quarterback in the league. Now
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they have Shaheed that's only going to help in that regard.
Donald is better in that kind of offense than he is,
let's say, in the shotgun offense sitting back there being
asked to scan the field. So if all of a
sudden they get down big and he's asked to do that,
he may not look as good because that's not what
he does. As well as play in an under center
play action game where they can control the pace and
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tempo of the game.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
More so, greg Our producer here is Pauly Papps and
he's a die hard, die hard Bears fan. So you
talked about bo Nicks, you talked about Drake may I
think he'd be upset if I didn't get your evaluation
of Caleb Williams, the number one pick in the last
year's draft. Where are you and what are you seeing
(30:30):
on the tape with Caleb Williams? So far this year
in Ben Johnson's offense.
Speaker 11 (30:34):
Yeah, I think it's been a work in progress, and
I totally expected that it's a very difficult offense, just
starting with the operational perspective, Rawson, you know what I
mean by that, where you know, calling the play in
the huddle where there might be two plays called, then
there's alerts. Then you want to have enough time when
you get to the line of scrimmage because that offense
features shifts and motions. Then you want to have Williams
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be able to sort of research the defense. So the
operational part was something he really struggled with as a
rookie under a different coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
But then he had to learn that this year.
Speaker 11 (31:06):
I would say that last week in the game, last
week now, and again this is not relevant to me
that Cincinnati doesn't have a good defense. But I thought
you saw a lot more of the Ben Johnson pass
game concepts come to fruition, and I thought that there
were times Williams looked really good executing those. Now there
are still times because it will be a work in progress,
(31:27):
where he was a beat slow with his reads and
did not get the throws that were there. There are
times there's a little bit of an unfocused phonetic nature
to him to his pocket play. That's his next step
in his continued development. But I got to tell you,
this guy throws the ball. It's crazy the way he
throws the ball. And when you talk about with throwing
the ball on the move, I mean, this guy has
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an absolute power hose when he throws the ball on
the move. I don't know if I've seen anybody throw
with that kind of velocity, even Aaron Rodgers in his prime,
with that kind of velocity on the move.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Check him out on social media at Greg Cosel and
check him out every week on the Ross Tucker Football
Podcast Thursday or Friday. A lot more hardcore football talk
where that came from. Greg. Thank you so much for
the time here on the Dan Patrick Show. Really appreciate it.
Appreciate it.
Speaker 11 (32:16):
Ross, Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Awesome to talk with. Greg. I am very curious to
hear how Paully feels about what Greg just said, because
you could That's another one. You could have taken what
Greg said and you could go, hey, I loved what
he had to say, or you could be negative and
take it the other way. We got the play of
(32:39):
the day. We got Paully's reaction to the Caleb Williams breakdown.
I'm gonna check my social media mentions at Ross Tucker
NFL because I want to know. I know what the
poll question is, but I want to know your specific
favorite mustard. Is there a brand? Greg co Sell just
called out goal and spicy Brown. If you have a
(33:03):
main brand mustard, I'd love to hear about it at
Ross Tucker NFL eight seven seven three DP show. Probably
get into one of your calls when we come back.
It is forty one minutes past the out here on
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Broncos look like they may pressure this a bit.
Speaker 9 (33:40):
Snap is good. They do bring some pressure and they
get to it.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
They blocking the balls, pouncing.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Around, picked up Denver's football inside the Raider fifteen yard line.
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the hour, we're gonna dive into a little bit of
Kyle Football, and I gotta tell you about my favorite
(35:04):
NFL stadium by far, and the stadium that should be
on your bucket list. But we got a couple items
here that we need to get to. One of which, PAULI,
is your reaction to what Greg Cosell said about Caleb Williams,
Because he started out with work in progress and then
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towards the end he was like he's making throws at
even Aaron Rodgers doesn't make so I'm very curious. We're
about to find out if you're a glass half full
or glass half empty person, PAULI.
Speaker 7 (35:36):
Work in progress is not a compliment. It's when you
don't have all the facts yet you like, I still
haven't made a decision on a quarterback. When you watch
Caleb Williams, when I watch him every week, he masters
the spectacular, he hasn't mastered the mundane.
Speaker 9 (35:51):
He drops back and will.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Well said, I'm gonna steal that. By the way, that's
really well said.
Speaker 9 (35:55):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (35:55):
He'll make a highlight across his body throw that only
five people can make league. But on a third and four,
he doesn't just throw it to the guy in the
flat who's wide open. If even if you look at
the end of the Bengals game the other day, he
had that great throw to Colston Lovelin that won the game.
Speaker 9 (36:11):
Yeah, and it's unbel the.
Speaker 7 (36:13):
Two plays before that, he scrambled with his back to
the defense twice and was it looked like a catastrophe
the two plays before that. So the two plays before
were almost a catastrophe by Williams by his scrambling and
the next play was a beautiful throw on time, on target.
I think he does not play. He's almost too talented
and doesn't take the easy stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
All right, Marv, I'm going to put you on the
spot here. Would you rather have a quarterback that masters
the mundane but is not capable of doing this spectacular
or would you rather have a quarterback that can do
the spectacular but is very much a work in progress
(36:56):
with the mundane. Master of the mundane, for sure. Oh
you win super Bowls that way?
Speaker 7 (37:01):
All right, Paulie, I have a name for you, Jared Goff.
Jared Goff does not make spectacular throws. He doesn't have
great physical skills. They can get out of danger, but
he seems to take all the smart plays for the
Lions and get the ball out quickly.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I mean, can you say Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Peyton Manna. Sure, No,
those guys think you a whole lot of spectacular story
invented it. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, seems like
mastering the mundane seems like a pretty good way to go.
The other thing that I absolutely love about the show
is just how incredible your audience is. I don't know
(37:35):
how many stations we're on. We're on a lot because
we've got everybody calling in an eight seven, seven to
three DP show, and I promise I'm trying to be
better about getting to some of those. But also on
social media, people hitting us up at DP show at
Ross Tucker, NFL, Loewen Semph Extra Hot, German Mustard, Sweet
(37:58):
and Spicy Mustard, Stadium Mustard Beer and brought Horse Radish
Mustard fantastic. People have like very strong opinions about this
specific type of mustard.
Speaker 7 (38:10):
Do you have one my go to mustard company, Wobers,
you're like it? They got everything spicyt.
Speaker 9 (38:16):
W W O E B E R old school.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
You know, I gotta admit something. Probably shouldn't do this
on the radio. I have no idea what's even in mustard?
What even is mustard?
Speaker 9 (38:27):
It's ground up mustard, seeds and other things.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
What are the other things? Boy, you don't know either.
Speaker 7 (38:34):
You don't know either, No, but it's lots of other
fills to give it. Well, you gotta have you gotta
have water, you gotta have paste, and do you know.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Probably some kind of paprika and oils.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Wait a minute, pronounce the word p A p R
I k a paprika. It's paprika, right, I thought it's paprika.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
I could be totally wrong.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Is it paprika or paprika?
Speaker 8 (38:59):
See, it might be regional. I would say paprika, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (39:05):
Paprika, Mark bell pa, but pronounce pu Or would I
say paprika?
Speaker 2 (39:09):
No, No, No one has ever said paprika real Marv, Paprika, Paprika, paprika,
pat Oh my god, paprika.
Speaker 8 (39:21):
It might be paprika.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Are you guys pulling one over? Is this a fast one?
Speaker 9 (39:26):
PAULI paprika? Like if you said, what do you put
in there? Paprika? Yes, like paprika.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Listen. I guarantee that there are chefs listening to the
show right now. There are people that specialize in selling seasonings.
In fact, they are in their car going to the
next restaurant chain to try to sell them more of
their seasonings. They do not walk into that restaurant and say,
(39:51):
I've got some new, delicious paprika for you. Nobody is
selling anything called paprika. I got some great papri.
Speaker 7 (40:00):
Ritzie doesn't cook and has never used it. By the way,
mustard is ground mustard, seeds, vinegar, water, wine or in
various spices.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah, yeah, I gotta be honest with you. I don't
even know what a mustard seed is. Where do you
get a mustard seed?
Speaker 9 (40:13):
How can you love mustard that much?
Speaker 2 (40:15):
But who grows mustards? Who grows mustard seeds?
Speaker 9 (40:19):
Great people?
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Yes, that's a good point. Wisconsin, right, that's where they
got the Mustard Hall of Fame.
Speaker 9 (40:25):
I believe Checkie might be in Iowa.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
No, I think it's Wisconsin. I think I've driven by it.
I will be there Monday night. It's a little bit
of a tease to what we're going to talk about
when we return. We also get into some college football
with Andy Staples. We're rolling here. Our number two's next
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
There are beer brats, jalapeno mac and cheese coleslaw, and
I love that Dylan put on the menu all of
the spicy mustard you can possibly consume, which is good,
by the way, because the place where I get gas
about halfway between here in Pennsylvania has a let's just
call it a sub shop which does not have spicy mustards.
(00:28):
So a lot to get to for sure. Want to
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(01:12):
your feedback and of course always cracks me up. A
couple hours from now when people will say something because
they listen via podcast. You guys can always check out mine,
the Ross Tucker Football Podcast. So it's rare that I'm
in here the day after an NFL game, because 's
usually meet Fridays in the offseason. There was a game
(01:33):
last night. It was the Broncos and the Raiders, and
I got to tell you, if you guys missed it, congratulations,
I'm so happy for you. If you did not watch
last night's game. I don't know many people. I might
not even know any that love football more than me.
(01:54):
That was bad. That was a bad game. And I
can appreciate good defense. I like, I'm fine with low
scoring games, but I don't know how much of that
was good defense and how much of that was bad offense.
To put in perspective, I saw this stats somewhere. I
forgot to write it down, so I don't know the
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exact stat whatever. You guys can google it. That's what
the internet's for. I think it might have been the
first game since nineteen fifty where both teams had more
penalties than points. More penalties than points. I don't care
how much you love the sport. That's a tough watch
when there's more penalties than points. The Broncos end up
(02:38):
winning ten to seven over the Raiders. So the Broncos
are now eight and two, and I'm going to go
on record right now and say that was the worst
performance by a team getting their record to eight and
two in the history NFL has a team ever looked
worse and played worse in pursuit of an eight and
(03:02):
two record, which they got. I gotta start with Fritzy
this morning. We'll get to all your calls. Fritzy in
all sincerity, how did you feel watching that game last
night with your beloved Broncos? And how do you feel
this morning now that you slept on it.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I watched every plan as they do for all the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
There was extremely frustrating and I'm starting to think like
they didn't get a first down till the middle of
the second quarter.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
They're a rookie punter.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I don't know any of us could have punted, but
I don't know what he was doing kicking off the
side of his foot, couldn't pin them inside the twenty
kicks it into the end. It was terrible and for
a team to be You're right, for a team to
be eight and to there the number one seed in
the AFC right now, to look like that offensively, fans
were booing and rightfully. So they wait till the fourth
quarter to score points, which didn't even happen last night.
At least you're thinking the fourth quarter they'd wake up
and get some points. They're not gonna be able to
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let the defense. I know they got away within twenty
fifteen when Peyton was hurt and everything, but you can't
wait until the fourth quarter to wake up offensively, and
the defense is not gonna be able to tell them
out every week.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
You're not gonna have thirty three point fourth quarter.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Games against the Giants come back against the Super Bowl
champions in Philadelphia in the fourth quarter. That's just not
gonna happen. You can't live like that.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
So I guess the question.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
I got you there, By the way, just in case
anyone was wondering, that wasn't pre recorded and then doubled
in speed. That was Todd actually doing that live. That
was actually live, that wasn't forwarded.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I want everybody, all radio or TV to know this. Okay,
the guys have the ability. There's called talkback. Okay, so
I can press a button. You guys, if you watch Peacock,
you've probably seen Dan do it before. He can press
a button and talk to the guys. But also the
guys can say something to me in my left ear.
And while Fritzy was going, PAULI said in my left ear,
(04:45):
if you don't stop it, I'll just keep going.
Speaker 6 (04:52):
I can't argue that almost lost it, Tom, is not
like punctuation, all right, So you understand what I was
watching least.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
But time you're on a Now you know I'm a
huge fan of you. Right's huge. You're on the biggest
sports talk radio show in the country.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Pauses periods, but that these are punctuation is your friend?
Situation is your punctuation is your friend? Todd, I had
to get that all. I'm glad you did. But here's
my question. By the way, you made some great points.
We said a lot of records last night. That was
also the greatest punter disparity punter. The guy for the
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Raiders is the AJ Cole must be the greatest punter.
Twice he has the ball hit on the one and
then make a right turn and go ten yards out
of bounds. It's the craziest thing. Aj Cole was the
best football player that I saw. Aj Cole and Max
(05:54):
Crosby and Benino. But here's the crux of it, Todd
and I want, I want to know what Paulie would
think and Seaton and Marv. Do you look at it
and say, man, that was horrible. We're not good. I
know we're eighting too, but we're not good. Or do
you look at it and say, I don't care, we're
(06:16):
eating too. I don't care how it looks rating too.
You guys can kiss my you know what.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
For me, it's much more the former than the latter,
because I know what they have defensively, and I keep
waiting for the offense to prove they can hold up
their end of the bargain and be a deep playoff
run team, and their record is very deceiving. On one hand,
you know, they could have beat the Colts and charges
on those last second fields. They could have been nine
and one or ten and zero. But my son reminds
me some of those games that they just pulled that
could have gone the other way.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
They could be a.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Four and six team right now just as easily. So
I don't know what we're getting yet offensively with this time.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
All right, So I feel like you guys know, I
grew up outs out of Philadelphia. Okay, So all my
buddies and family and friends, they're diehard Eagles fans. So
I'm on the text chain during every Eagles game, and
it feels like people are like after a game like that,
there's really one of two ways you can go. This
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team stinks. I don't care that they won, They're still
not good. That was pathetic. Or I don't give a
you know what, we won, that's all that matters. I
feel like my friends they go one of two ways. Paulli,
which way are you? Which way would you be? See?
Speaker 7 (07:24):
I'm more of a middle ground guy. I try to
be level headed. But I think a lot of people
didn't see the Broncos play this year until last night
because they play at one o'clock or four o'clock and
you mix it in with the red zone. But last
night stand alone, if you look at them last night,
they did not look like a threatening team. And I
thought three weeks ago, this is a really interesting team,
really good pass rush. But then you look at their
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schedule this year. They have one quality win. They beat
the Eagles by four. Otherwise their wins are against the Titans,
the Jets, the Giants, the Cowboys, the Texans, and the Raiders.
So it's like a false eight and two. You feel
good at the position of your I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Believe in that. By the way, well it's an NFL team. Yeah,
they're playing other NFL teams. I'll say this as from
a former players perspective. You never have to apologize for
a win, and in fact, I would argue it's a
really good sign when you win even though you played
like crap. If you win an NFL game, even though
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you played like crap, you're probably pretty good. It's hard
to win these games. Ask the Saints, ask the Titans,
ask the Jets. It's hard to win NFL football games.
If you're able to win when you look that bad,
that's a good sign setan.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
I think if you look at say a team like
the Chiefs last year, I don't know exactly how many
one score games fifteen in a row, but it was
a lot of them, and they took that all the
way to the Super Bowl. So now, granted, I know
the Chiefs are the Chiefs and the Broncos are the Broncos,
and there's history that we have to look at. But
there's something to be said. Are you barely winning in
a good way or are you barely winning in a
(09:03):
bad way?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
You know? Are you?
Speaker 8 (09:04):
Are you barely getting wins to.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
You know, advance and like I see, we do just
enough to keep winning, or you could be on the
flip side, obviously that and keep losing. But I think
that there's a lane for teams who keep winning close
games to advance, and that if at eight and two,
maybe the Broncos could be that this year.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
So what's crazy about that is that the Chiefs had
the NFL's longest streak ever of winning fifteen straight one
score games. Guess what they are in one score games
this year, zero to four. Those things have a way
of kind of evening themselves out. Although listen to uh
(09:46):
Fritzy's point, the Broncos play the Chiefs next Sunday, I
would be stunned if the Chiefs aren't favored in that game,
I'd be stunned.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
Go ahead, PAULI, Well, that's why I was going to
ask you. Records and belief in a team are two
different things. If I had to say, pick the team
that's going to go the Furthest this year in the
AFC West Broncos, Chargers, Chiefs. It's close right right now
because the Chiefs are.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Who's not saying Chiefs really?
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Well, I have my like I don't know, May or
June prediction, I don't remember exactly what it was. Was
the Chiefs aren't making the playoffs this year, so I
have to.
Speaker 9 (10:24):
Stick with that a scalding hot of the time.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Okay, well, I'll just tell you right now. I would
absolutely take the Chiefs out of those three teams to
go to the Furthest in the playoffs. Absolutely. However, the
Broncos have a real chance here to win the division
and to greatly increase the degree of difficulty for the
Chiefs to get back to the super Bowl. Yes, they
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can win three road playoff games. But if the Broncos
can win that division, they're actually doing the Bills and
the Ravens and a bunch of these teams a huge favorite.
I think the first question is more or less this,
is there any such thing as a bad win? Do
you go ahead, Marv?
Speaker 10 (11:07):
Not in the NFL. I think in college there could be.
But in the NFL, a win is a win you're
playing against, like you said earlier. You're playing against other
NFL players, You'll take the win anyway you can get it.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
Go ahead, Ay, I'm agreeing with Marvin. I'm a Bears fan,
and the Bears beat the Bengals by a hair last
week two. Their defense was awful. They made Joe Flacco
look like he was in his twenties. They got beat
all games. Their special teams were awful. That was an
awful performance by the Bears. The offense was good, but
they stole a win, and you're like, it's it's like
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the deodorant of a bad performance.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
There is a lot to get to today, by the way,
because we have an unbelievable guest list thanks to Fritzi,
who we still need to find out why he's wearing
a blonde wig. I got this civilian goat NFL films legend.
Greg Cosell will join us in about ten minutes. Andy
Staples in our number two, the college football expert for
(12:05):
on three Sports. There's a lot to get to with him.
The first college football playoff poll came out. We keep
having coaches fired, but nobody's actually been hired, and we've
got a bunch of good games this weekend. By the way,
the Indiana Hoosiers are double digit favorite favorites at Penn State.
That is a real thing.
Speaker 9 (12:25):
You just said that.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
On the national side, I think I like, I think
I stuttered. Like the Indiana Hoosiers in football are double
digit favorites in Happy Valley against the Penn State Nitney Lyons.
And then we'll have Dane Brugler from the Athletic This
is important. He'll join us at eleven twenty am Eastern time.
He's probably the best draft guy scout out there. What
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happened to all the top quarterbacks for this draft? And
if you're all these teams out there, like the Browns
or the Jets or whoever, and your stock by first
round picks, who are you drafting Dante Moore from Oregon?
This Fernando Mendoza guy from Indiana. So there's a lot
to get to. We've got great guests, including one other
(13:14):
thing we need to get to. That happened yesterday? I
guess did the Marshawn Neeland news the Cowboys defensive end
who passed away? Did that happen after your show?
Speaker 9 (13:25):
Yeses, after we wrapped up yesterday?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yes? Got it? Okay, Well, for those of you that
for the most part, listen and get your news and
sports information from this show. Just an incredibly, incredibly sad
tragedy that we found out about yesterday late morning. Marshawn
neland he's a second year second round pick defensive end
(13:51):
out of Western Michigan for the Dallas Cowboys. He was
found deceased yesterday. They are ruling it a suicide, and man,
it hits home on a lot of levels. I mean,
this guy just had a touchdown on Monday night on
(14:11):
a blocked punt. You know, I was once a second
year Cowboy. I actually called multiple of his games at
Western Michigan, and I guess I don't know what to
say other than you never really know what's going on
in someone else's life. You never really know what someone
(14:36):
else is going through. Because from the outside, I think
most people would think this guy is at the top
of the world. He's twenty four, he plays for the Cowboys.
He scored a touchdown on Monday night football. I mean,
from the outsider's perspective, you would think this guy is
(14:58):
on top of the world. Obviously that was not the case.
And the only thing I would say about that is
I think we lose sight sometimes because they're professional athletes
and we see him on our television that they're still
human beings and they still have personal issues. They still
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have family issues. Think about Josh Simmons, the left tackle
for the Chiefs. He just missed the last four games
because of family issues. Again, I don't know what those are.
None of us know what Marshawn Neeland was going through,
but it is incredibly, incredibly sad to think that he
(15:44):
is no longer with us. I don't know if any
of you guys, I don't know what else there is
to say on a topic like this other than mental
health is a really really important thing, and it's critical
that we all check on our family and friends and
don't just say how you doing. If you say how
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you doing and they don't say great, maybe try to
dig a little deeper.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
I don't know, Paulie Well, I think it's important to
have you here today because, like you said, you were
a player, and I heard Danie Rolofski say yesterday, when
he was young in the league, if he had issues,
he don't wouldn't be comfortable sharing it because maybe it's
even though he's not that old, maybe there's a generation
to go but in the locker room, how often can
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that be talked about?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
It?
Speaker 7 (16:31):
Can that be is our person you can talk to
on a team you played the sport we didn't.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
You know what's so fascinating about that. I think it's changed.
I know that a lot of teams have sports psychologists now,
so I think it's changed. But the truth is, when
I was a player, I would not have told the
team that something was going on with me or my
(16:58):
family because I want them to hold that against me,
and I don't know, you know, Marshaw Kneeland was starting,
and he's a second round pick. So but the point
is is I would not have told the team. And
I can think of two different instances where I was
not in a good place mentally during my career. My
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second year was something that happened on the field, which
we can get to a little bit later in the show.
My fourth year was actually a family situation, and in
both instances, I was not in as good of a
place as I would have liked to have been, especially
you know, having to go out there and perform thoughts
(17:42):
and prayers for sure, with Marshaw Neeland's family, friends loved
ones just obviously gone way way too soon. Greg Cosell
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Just getting started here on a meet Friday. Ross Tucker,
the former Journeyman offensive lineman turned NFL broadcaster, in the
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I did Army at Air Force. Sunday I did Chargers Titans,
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but there's several buys, so I don't have a TV game.
I will be in the booth with Kevin Harlan Monday
Night for the Packers and the Eagles on Westwood One.
We'll talk about that a little bit later because Lambeau
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We're gonna get to my guy Greg Cosell, who's an
absolute legend from NFL film is momentarily but seton what
are we thinking right now? For the pole question?
Speaker 8 (19:42):
Well, there's only one pole question when you're.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
In what's that?
Speaker 9 (19:46):
What do you got?
Speaker 8 (19:47):
Djon Honey spicy or yellow?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Ooh that is a good one.
Speaker 8 (19:54):
Wow, Djon Honey spicy or yellow?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
That is great because I need to talk about my incident.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
I'm positive Rosell is on today, by the way, is
to break down this polkrad and then do football.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
You know what, Greg seems to me like a DJON guy, Like,
pardon me, mister Cussel, but do you have any gray poupon?
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He loves football and I love him. Check out I'm
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see you always here in a different venue. I think
a lot of people are familiar with your outstanding work
(21:09):
the NFL Matchup show on esp and ESPN two the
next couple of days. I guess we got to get
your thoughts on the poll question first, Greg. I know
that this is why you break down the tape spicy mustard,
yellow mustard, honey mustard or djon mustard.
Speaker 11 (21:24):
I think I'm a golden spicy brown kind of guy.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Ross. Yes, I knew it. I knew it.
Speaker 11 (21:32):
Yes, I'm I'm not a great pupon guy, I don't.
I can't remember the last time I ever had great pupon.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
But you know that.
Speaker 11 (21:40):
That's why above my investment portfolio.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
You know, I love the fact. Just so everybody knows,
I talked to this guy at least once a week,
now twice a week. I've never talked with Greg about
mustard before. And not only did he say spicy, he
shouted out my favorite spicy brown mustard, Golden's. He gave
(22:02):
it the actual name brand. Gosh, this show is going
so well so far. All right, we'll get to more
of the mustard talk a little bit later. I guess
here's my first question, Greg, after watching that game last night?
Speaker 11 (22:17):
Oh you did?
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Huh? Yeah?
Speaker 11 (22:19):
I built Phil Badley for you. Well, I went to
Better early Ross because I was at the gym at
ten or five this morning, so I didn't see much
of that game.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Well, I know you'll break down the film later, So
that's why I'm not going to specifically ask you about
last night. But when you look at, for example, the
Broncos and the Patriots, they both only have two losses,
where are you right now with Bo Nixon Drake May?
In other words, have you seen enough from either one
(22:50):
of those guys to think, you know what, they might
be able to do it in a playoff game against
Josh Allen and the Bills or Lamar Jason Ravens. What
have you seen from those two guys, you know, in
particular Nixon May.
Speaker 11 (23:07):
Well, if we want to start with May, I think
May has played consistently far better than Nix has. May
has just better traits overall too. I mean, I've had
the ability to stand next to both guys. May is
just a big, big man, and he plays the game
effortlessly easily.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
You know.
Speaker 11 (23:26):
One of the things that I was taught years ago,
and actually I think it was a conversation I had
with Phil Simms years ago. When you watch a quarterback
and they throw it so easily, he may looks effortless
throwing the ball effortless down the field and it's just
easy for him.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
To throw it.
Speaker 11 (23:43):
And one thing I think is really stood out this year,
and you're never sure about this till you get to
the NFL ross is his ability to move within the pocket.
You don't see a lot of that in college because
it's not usually that necessary in college football to play
like that, But in the NFL pockets get squead there's
more bodies around you. How a quarterback reacts to that
(24:03):
is something that I really evaluate carefully. And I think
that pocket movement is a really important trade and May
has really shown that trade. Nix, on the other hand,
I think has been very, very inconsistent. I think that
his ball location has at times been good and has
at times lest something to be desired. You're almost and
(24:24):
you hate to say this about a quarterback, and I
like bo Nicks overall, but he's almost at the point
now where sometimes you're just not certain what you're gonna
get with bo Nicks. And and you know, obviously he's
had these big fourth quarter comebacks, but you don't want
to you don't want to live like that. You know,
you want more consistency from from play one to play seventy,
(24:45):
and that hasn't been the case with him for much
of this season.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I'm curious about that. When you're breaking down the tape
and you see these guys play their best in the
fourth quarter or in the last couple of minutes, what
do you what do you make out of that?
Speaker 11 (25:00):
Well, you have to look at the reason why, what
kind of plays are they making? You know, if bo
Nix has made a number of plays in the fourth
quarter where it's been one on one on fade balls
and he's made a very good throw, and then quarterlet
Sutton has gone up against good coverage and.
Speaker 9 (25:14):
Made a catch.
Speaker 11 (25:16):
Obviously that play counts and it's a good job by
both guys. He did make a great play. I remember
specifically against the Eagles where he made a great read
and a great throw to I believe it was sudden
on a third and fifteen maybe if memory serves me correctly,
and that was a really big time throw with great
timing and anticipation and ball location. But I think you
always have to look at the plays themselves, and that
(25:40):
to me is just like interceptions. You always have to
look at interceptions as individual plays, not as a number
on a stat sheet. You've got to look at the plays. So,
you know, I think that Knicks has made obviously they've
come back in games, and he certainly made throws and
he uses his legs extremely well. We saw that who
do they It was the Giants, right, the Giants where
(26:02):
they had that crazy comeback and scored thirty three in
the fourth quarter. And you have to look at all
those plays as individual plays, not just say wow, they
came back. So you know, that's the way I go
about it anyway.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
You know, it's funny by the way, you think about
some of the rookie quarterbacks that are playing right now,
Jackson Dart and Yep and cam Ward and obviously now
Tyler Shuck, And maybe they're not in great situations. You know, Greg,
I called a couple of Patriots games last year, and
they might have had the worst O line and the
worst receiving core, and I still thought Drake may look good,
(26:35):
you know, so you can still look good as a quarterback.
You know the other teams I wanted to ask you about.
Speaker 11 (26:41):
Well, just one quick point if I could. Yeah, when
you evalue I learned this from people smarter than I
am at back quarterback play. Going back to Bill Walsh,
when you evaluate a quarterback cross you have to evaluate
him separately from the circumstances. You have to isolate on
the traits of the quarterback. We know that certain teams
don't have great receivers, or certain teams may not have
(27:02):
a great run game. That's all fine. That has nothing
to do with how a quarterback plays. The position of quarterback,
you have to isolate the quarterback and separate him from
the rest of the team. That's how you evaluate a quarterback.
You understand that, hey, maybe he's not throwing to great guys,
but that doesn't dictate how he goes about playing the
(27:23):
position of quarterback.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
All right, well, let's evaluate a couple of other quarterbacks,
because again looking at the top of the standings, I
see the seven and two Indianapolis Colts, Yeah, and I
see the six and two Seattle Seahawks and Greg No
matter who I talk to, they are not gonna believe
in danel Jones or Sam Darnold until they actually see
(27:47):
those guys win a playoff game. What are you seeing?
Are you seeing enough that the rest of us should
buy in and should believe that these teams are real?
Speaker 11 (27:59):
And I don't think give it like that.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Row.
Speaker 11 (28:00):
It's like, you know, when people say, are these teams
for real? All I know is what we have up
to this point and how these teams play. So if
you look at the Colts, and by the way, Daniel
Jones made some really good throws this past week, even
though they lost to the Steelers and he had to
drop back fifty five times, which, as you know, no
coach wants a quarterback to drop back fifty five times
(28:21):
in a game. He had twenty six dropbacks alone in
the fourth quarter, and as I said, he made some
big time throws. Now, there's a team that is very
much based on the fact that they dominate on first down,
and first down domination is the result of being in
control of games close enough that you can do what
you want to do on first down. Jones had the
(28:43):
most first down passing yardage in the league. Jonathan Taylor
is among the league leaders in first down rushing yardage.
They dominate on first down, and when you can't do that,
the game changes. And then when you have to drop
back on every single play, as they did every play
in the fourth quarter last week was a pass twenty
six plays and as you probably saw, there are two
(29:04):
tackles in that game. Did not play well in one
on one pass protection when they were asked to block
one on one against Watton Heismith. So they had a
very difficult game. But I think the nature of the
Colts offense is such that if they can stay within
the game that they're very very good. Donald he's another guy.
(29:24):
He's really good in specific ways. Every quarterback for the
most part, Ross has defined strengths and then certain limitations.
That's just true with every quarterback, even great ones. Okay,
so Donald is really good as a play action quarterback.
The reeds are more defined. He pushes it down the
field as well as any quarterback in the league. Now
(29:45):
they have Shaheed that's only going to help in that regard.
Donald is better in that kind of offense than he is,
let's say, in the shotgun offense sitting back there being
asked to scan the field. So if all of a
sudden they get down big and he's asked to do that,
he may not look as good because that's not what
he does. As well as play in an under center
play action game where they can control the pace and
(30:07):
tempo of the game.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
More so, greg Our producer here is Pauly Papps and
he's a die hard, die hard Bears fan. So you
talked about bo Nicks, you talked about Drake may I
think he'd be upset if I didn't get your evaluation
of Caleb Williams, the number one pick in the last
year's draft. Where are you and what are you seeing
(30:30):
on the tape with Caleb Williams? So far this year
in Ben Johnson's offense.
Speaker 11 (30:34):
Yeah, I think it's been a work in progress, and
I totally expected that it's a very difficult offense, just
starting with the operational perspective, Rawson, you know what I
mean by that, where you know, calling the play in
the huddle where there might be two plays called, then
there's alerts. Then you want to have enough time when
you get to the line of scrimmage because that offense
features shifts and motions. Then you want to have Williams
(30:56):
be able to sort of research the defense. So the
operational part was something he really struggled with as a
rookie under a different coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
But then he had to learn that this year.
Speaker 11 (31:06):
I would say that last week in the game, last
week now, and again this is not relevant to me
that Cincinnati doesn't have a good defense. But I thought
you saw a lot more of the Ben Johnson pass
game concepts come to fruition, and I thought that there
were times Williams looked really good executing those. Now there
are still times because it will be a work in progress,
(31:27):
where he was a beat slow with his reads and
did not get the throws that were there. There are
times there's a little bit of an unfocused phonetic nature
to him to his pocket play. That's his next step
in his continued development. But I got to tell you,
this guy throws the ball. It's crazy the way he
throws the ball. And when you talk about with throwing
the ball on the move, I mean, this guy has
(31:48):
an absolute power hose when he throws the ball on
the move. I don't know if I've seen anybody throw
with that kind of velocity, even Aaron Rodgers in his prime,
with that kind of velocity on the move.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Check him out on social media at Greg Cosel and
check him out every week on the Ross Tucker Football
Podcast Thursday or Friday. A lot more hardcore football talk
where that came from. Greg. Thank you so much for
the time here on the Dan Patrick Show. Really appreciate it.
Appreciate it.
Speaker 11 (32:16):
Ross, Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Awesome to talk with. Greg. I am very curious to
hear how Paully feels about what Greg just said, because
you could That's another one. You could have taken what
Greg said and you could go, hey, I loved what
he had to say, or you could be negative and
take it the other way. We got the play of
(32:39):
the day. We got Paully's reaction to the Caleb Williams breakdown.
I'm gonna check my social media mentions at Ross Tucker
NFL because I want to know. I know what the
poll question is, but I want to know your specific
favorite mustard. Is there a brand? Greg co Sell just
called out goal and spicy Brown. If you have a
(33:03):
main brand mustard, I'd love to hear about it at
Ross Tucker NFL eight seven seven three DP show. Probably
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(35:04):
NFL stadium by far, and the stadium that should be
on your bucket list. But we got a couple items
here that we need to get to. One of which, PAULI,
is your reaction to what Greg Cosell said about Caleb Williams,
Because he started out with work in progress and then
(35:25):
towards the end he was like he's making throws at
even Aaron Rodgers doesn't make so I'm very curious. We're
about to find out if you're a glass half full
or glass half empty person, PAULI.
Speaker 7 (35:36):
Work in progress is not a compliment. It's when you
don't have all the facts yet you like, I still
haven't made a decision on a quarterback. When you watch
Caleb Williams, when I watch him every week, he masters
the spectacular, he hasn't mastered the mundane.
Speaker 9 (35:51):
He drops back and will.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Well said, I'm gonna steal that. By the way, that's
really well said.
Speaker 9 (35:55):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (35:55):
He'll make a highlight across his body throw that only
five people can make league. But on a third and four,
he doesn't just throw it to the guy in the
flat who's wide open. If even if you look at
the end of the Bengals game the other day, he
had that great throw to Colston Lovelin that won the game.
Speaker 9 (36:11):
Yeah, and it's unbel the.
Speaker 7 (36:13):
Two plays before that, he scrambled with his back to
the defense twice and was it looked like a catastrophe
the two plays before that. So the two plays before
were almost a catastrophe by Williams by his scrambling and
the next play was a beautiful throw on time, on target.
I think he does not play. He's almost too talented
and doesn't take the easy stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
All right, Marv, I'm going to put you on the
spot here. Would you rather have a quarterback that masters
the mundane but is not capable of doing this spectacular
or would you rather have a quarterback that can do
the spectacular but is very much a work in progress
(36:56):
with the mundane. Master of the mundane, for sure. Oh
you win super Bowls that way?
Speaker 7 (37:01):
All right, Paulie, I have a name for you, Jared Goff.
Jared Goff does not make spectacular throws. He doesn't have
great physical skills. They can get out of danger, but
he seems to take all the smart plays for the
Lions and get the ball out quickly.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I mean, can you say Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Peyton Manna. Sure, No,
those guys think you a whole lot of spectacular story
invented it. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, seems like
mastering the mundane seems like a pretty good way to go.
The other thing that I absolutely love about the show
is just how incredible your audience is. I don't know
(37:35):
how many stations we're on. We're on a lot because
we've got everybody calling in an eight seven, seven to
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Ross Tucker, NFL, Loewen Semph Extra Hot, German Mustard, Sweet
(37:58):
and Spicy Mustard, Stadium Mustard Beer and brought Horse Radish
Mustard fantastic. People have like very strong opinions about this
specific type of mustard.
Speaker 7 (38:10):
Do you have one my go to mustard company, Wobers,
you're like it? They got everything spicyt.
Speaker 9 (38:16):
W W O E B E R old school.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
You know, I gotta admit something. Probably shouldn't do this
on the radio. I have no idea what's even in mustard?
What even is mustard?
Speaker 9 (38:27):
It's ground up mustard, seeds and other things.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
What are the other things? Boy, you don't know either.
Speaker 7 (38:34):
You don't know either, No, but it's lots of other
fills to give it. Well, you gotta have you gotta
have water, you gotta have paste, and do you know.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Probably some kind of paprika and oils.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Wait a minute, pronounce the word p A p R
I k a paprika. It's paprika, right, I thought it's paprika.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
I could be totally wrong.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Is it paprika or paprika?
Speaker 8 (38:59):
See, it might be regional. I would say paprika, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (39:05):
Paprika, Mark bell pa, but pronounce pu Or would I
say paprika?
Speaker 2 (39:09):
No, No, No one has ever said paprika real Marv, Paprika, Paprika, paprika,
pat Oh my god, paprika.
Speaker 8 (39:21):
It might be paprika.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Are you guys pulling one over? Is this a fast one?
Speaker 9 (39:26):
PAULI paprika? Like if you said, what do you put
in there? Paprika? Yes, like paprika.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Listen. I guarantee that there are chefs listening to the
show right now. There are people that specialize in selling seasonings.
In fact, they are in their car going to the
next restaurant chain to try to sell them more of
their seasonings. They do not walk into that restaurant and say,
(39:51):
I've got some new, delicious paprika for you. Nobody is
selling anything called paprika. I got some great papri.
Speaker 7 (40:00):
Ritzie doesn't cook and has never used it. By the way,
mustard is ground mustard, seeds, vinegar, water, wine or in
various spices.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah, yeah, I gotta be honest with you. I don't
even know what a mustard seed is. Where do you
get a mustard seed?
Speaker 9 (40:13):
How can you love mustard that much?
Speaker 2 (40:15):
But who grows mustards? Who grows mustard seeds?
Speaker 9 (40:19):
Great people?
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Yes, that's a good point. Wisconsin, right, that's where they
got the Mustard Hall of Fame.
Speaker 9 (40:25):
I believe Checkie might be in Iowa.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
No, I think it's Wisconsin. I think I've driven by it.
I will be there Monday night. It's a little bit
of a tease to what we're going to talk about
when we return. We also get into some college football
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