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August 29, 2025 41 mins

Dan Patrick reacts to the huge news of the Cowboys trading All-Pro LB Micah Parsons to the Packers and explains why the Cowboys committed organizational malpractice yesterday. FOX College Football Analyst Brady Quinn believes Green Bay may now rival Philadelphia atop the NFC and offers advice for Arch Manning ahead of Week 1. Plus, Shea in Irving calls in to sound off on Jerry Jones!

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us the Dallas Cowboys who committed, in my opinion, organizational
malpractice yesterday. And it's not just because they traded away
Micah Parsons. It's how they traded him away. You get
two first round picks, you get a former Pro Bowl
defensive lineman Kenny Clark from Green Bay and Jerry Jones
admitted that the team had been considering moving Parsons as

(02:16):
early as the beginning of the offseason, and I think
that's where the misstep occurred. If you know you're open
to dealing a twenty six year old pass rusher, maybe
the best defensive player in the game. Why wait until
a week before the start of the season. If you're
in March leading up to the draft, you know everybody's
got these draft picks. Maybe we could do something here

(02:40):
cap room teams can maybe explore trade with Micah Parsons.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
It just doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
If you're going to trade him, okay, then trade him
back in March or April. If the sticker shock was
there and you didn't want to pay him that you
thought you had a handshake agreement, which is illegal in
the NFL, illegal and Jerry thought, okay, we've agreed on
a deal that's just over forty million dollars forty point five. Well,

(03:09):
if you know these other defensive players who are a
similar stature to Micah Parsons, TJ. Watt and Miles Garon,
Max Crosby, maybe you know what the price is going
to be, and you know what's going on. You draft
a guy, you want him to be great. You want

(03:29):
him to be into that second contract they were going
to do that. He has been great. He's you know,
his trajectory is Hall of Fame, and I kept thinking, okay,
I didn't think that Jerry would trade him. And then
all of a sudden, I did a little deeper dive,
and you know, I had conversations that were off the record,

(03:50):
and I have to be true to those two conversations.
But as soon as I got off the you know,
a phone call with one source, and I called and
I go, I got information. I can't really do anything
with this. I got to be fair, but it gave
me a little bit more of a backdrop on what
had been going on. And was Michah Parsons truly liked

(04:13):
in the building? Could Stephen Jones have been maybe his
fingerprints are on this, Like there was a lot of
things that were swirling. I just want to kind of
find out exactly. It doesn't help me advance the story,
but at least I was trying to find out. But
I was sworn, you know, this is off the record.
This you know, like every four sentences, this is off

(04:35):
the record, I go, it's off the record. But I
wanted to understand how did we get to this point
Because Jerry, I thought, would say I got a quarterback
that is a marquee quarterback, Whether you think he's great
or not, you're paying him. You got a Marque wide
receiver and you got Micah Parsons. They got Digs too,

(04:57):
who's been banged up the last two years. But you
got guys key positions and that's what you want. And
I thought, Okay, it's gonna hurt. You overpaid for Dak.
You needed to overpay for Micah Parsons in my opinion.
But somehow through all of this, Jerry Jones yesterday with
a straight face, said that the team is actually better now.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
This gives us a better chance to be a better
team than we have been the last few several years
since Michael's been here. Not any negative on Michaeh, but
we're trying to get better. We're trying to stop the
run and stay on the hunt.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Okay, you're not better now, not today, and you have flexibility.
Kenny Clark is a good defensive tackle, but his best
years are behind him. He went to two Pro Bowls. Okay, yeah,
we got to stop the run. You know, you got
to stop the pass as well. You had one of
the worst defenses. It's not just hey, we're stopping the run,
but boy, they're putting up a lot of yards on

(06:02):
us through the air. Michael Parsons is a game changer.
He wrecks games. The only way you would be better
is if Michael Parsons doesn't play for Green Bay, he's
banged up or doesn't play well. What are the odds
of a guy who's twenty six with a big chip
on his shoulder now and you got to live up
to that contract going to underproduce. This reminds me of

(06:26):
the Khalil Mackdal when the Bears acquired him. The Raiders
got more from the Bears, then the Cowboys got, you know,
for Michaeh Parsons from Green Back you got to first
and then you got a couple other draft picks for
you know, Klo Mac and very similar, similar age, similar production.
And I've just I kept thinking you got to get more.

(06:50):
I thought it was three first round picks. Do you
know Jamal Adams was traded for three first round picks?
It's a safety. Seattle gave up and see, you know,
Seattle's got a great front office. They gave up three
first round picks for Jamal Adams. You gotta get more,
you gotta shop him, and you didn't do that. But

(07:14):
is Jerry's ego in the way here. You know, everybody
wants to make the herschel Walker analogy.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
It's not. I mean, Jimmy Johnson was running the show.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Jimmy Johnson orchestrated the value they were going to get
for herschel Walker, and it changed the franchise. This isn't
changing the franchise because if I look at the average
pick draft pick, first round pick of the Packers the
last five drafts, so where they're going to finish, that's
where the Cowboys are getting that draft pick twenty three

(07:45):
to twenty five, twenty eight, twenty nine. Now they did
add the fifteenth pick, that was the Aaron Rodgers pick
swap with the Jets. But now you just added Michael
Parsons to a team that could be an NFC, you know,
title contender, and now they are. They're certainly they're Super
Bowl contender. And the odds Packers were plus two thousand

(08:08):
to win the Super Bowl. They're now plus twelve hundred.
They were plus eleven hundred to win the NFC, now
plus six hundred. Dallas plus five thousand to win the
Super Bowl. They're now plus seven thousand. They were plus
twenty two hundred to win the NFC. The're now plus
three thousand. You're not better. Now, let's see what you

(08:29):
do with the draft picks. But you know, with the
clock ticking, Jerry wanting to win another Super Bowl, Dak's
not getting any younger, thirty two, been banged up, you're
paying him sixty million dollars. I just didn't understand it. Now,
we'll talk to both sides, you know, we'll talk to

(08:51):
reporters with the Packers and the Cowboys and get their
thoughts on, you know, tell me how that doesn't work
out for the Packers, tell me how this does work
out for the Cows because that's what this is all about.
And I just didn't understand how Jerry put himself in
this position. I didn't think he would trade him away,

(09:13):
and I was wondering, was I more surprised that Luca
got traded to the Lakers or Micah Parsons got traded
to the Packers, and neither of these teams shop their stars.
Dallas talked to the Lakers, Dallas talked to the Packers.
I'm sure other teams got in. Maybe I haven't heard
anybody who said, hey, this team is offering this, but

(09:36):
you keep him in the NFC, A team you're going
to play in a month, a really good team. This
is where you trade him to Carolina at Green Bay.
This is why I'll never be a billionaire. You know,

(09:57):
this is another reason why I won't be a billionaire.
I can't think like Jerry does. Hey, great businessman, Okay,
great businessman. You're the one who extended Dak. You brought
Zeke back again, you didn't get the true value for Michael.
I mean that just recent here, waited on cd LEM.

(10:20):
It goes back to what we've said for months. Now,
act on it. If you truly believe that's the guy,
then act on it. Because you knew if we get
in at forty and a half instead of forty seven,
which is what Green Bay paid. Now it's you know,
we saved seven million this year, and then seven million
the following year and seven million. So this is a big,

(10:43):
big whiff. And we said it from the beginning right now,
sign him. Being indecisive in sports is death, and they
were indecisive. If you thought you were going to keep him,
then sign him up. I don't know how well liked
he was. I think he certainly had a lot to say,

(11:07):
I'm going to choose my words carefully once again. But
and I wonder Stephen Jones's role in this. You know,
Jerry's going to be given this team to his son
at some point, and I wonder if Stephen Jones was
maybe the architect. It's easy to, you know, blame Jerry.
I can blame Jerry for the previous months. But you

(11:28):
had to get to a point where and there's no
board of directors. Everybody you know who's on the masthead
and his name is Jones, Like you just have a
family outing and then you have to discuss, all right.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
What are we doing?

Speaker 2 (11:41):
They changed tradition here and Jerry with his handshake nonsense.
You know about the team and it was a handshake agreement, okay,
but you can't have handshake agreements that are binding with
a player and you don't allow to have an agent
in there.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Mind boggling. Uh what else did Jerry have to say?

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, let's see, Oh, here he is. There's Jerry talking
about his offer to Michael Parsons back in April.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
When I offered Micah the contract that I offered him
back in April. He flew in from out of the country,
wanted to come right in. I said, no, We'll get
your night's sleep and come on in the next day.
Get your next day. He wanted to come right in.
We offered him a contract to come play for the
Dallas Cowboys, and it was a good one. Okay, now,

(12:39):
it was more guaranteed than what I've been reported that
was here now, But my point is, without getting into detail,
that was a very genuine negotiation.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Okay, get into detail, Jerry, feel free now you can
let us behind the curtain here. I think if you
have a GM, a true GM who has power, you
don't get to this point. I think that GM goes
you know what. This isn't about a handshake agreement. This

(13:10):
is about an agreement, and there is a process to this.
That's what's surprising.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
And I.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
You're not better today. And I just think if you
had some kind of fiscal sanity attached to this, you
could have kept him. If you wanted to, you could
have kept him. And I don't think it would have
crushed you salary wise. And the cap keeps going up
every year. He might turn out to be a bargain.

(13:42):
Go back to when you know the Chiefs were signing
Mahomes and it's a ten year, five hundred million dollar deal.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
I came in the next day and I said, they
got a bargain.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
When Bryce Harper went to the Phillies, I said, the
Phillies got a bargain.

Speaker 5 (13:59):
There.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
There are certain contracts where you go do it. Oh man,
it's going to hurt, but it's not going to hurt later.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
If you're buying what buy value by quality and you've
got two draft picks who don't help you this year.
Kenny Clark better stop every running back, but it's a
bad defense. I thought they could have competed. I thought
that they could have competed and been a playoff team.
I really did. Dak healthy ceedee Lamb. Micah is going

(14:32):
to get paid now all of a sudden, you know
Dallas is going to be formidable. Now they would lose
tragically in the postseason, of course, like they always do.
But still, you had a chance to compete this year
and you don't. Now you're going to get some wins,
and you know what it'll be. It'll be a glimmer

(14:53):
of God what could have been. But the only way,
in my opinion, that doesn't work out is if Micah
doesn't work out. Because now you're going to get the
twenty eighth pick in the draft.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
Good luck.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Kenny Clark better be great, Dak better be great. CD
Lamb better have an unbelievable season. But you can't tell
me the Cowboys are better today than they were yesterday.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
All right, we'll take a break.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
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of this, plus college football. Watch a lot of college football.
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game's coming up this weekend as well. We'll take a
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(17:12):
the big noon kickoff. They will be in Columbus and
it'll be Texas against Ohio State. We'll talk about that
coming up in a moment. Good to see you again.
With yesterday's news happening in the NFL, did that change
your opinion on which who is the team to beat.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
A little bit?

Speaker 8 (17:30):
I mean, I think the way I look at the
NFC is probably three or four teams that I think
we legitimately are looking at thinking that they can win
a Super Bowl, Philly being at the top of the list,
but green Bay was probably one of those teams, and
now it makes them, without a doubt, a contender, maybe
even the biggest contender to the Philadelphia Eagles in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Help me understand, Let's start with Dallas. You're shaking your
head already.

Speaker 5 (17:55):
Because Dan, none of it makes sense.

Speaker 8 (17:57):
I know a guy you drafted who has been a
generational talent, has done everything on the field that you'd
hope he would be. How do you make any sense
of letting him walk? And I'm not saying that Kenny
Clark won't help the run defense or they might not
get a couple of good first round picks, but probably

(18:17):
because they're from Green Bay, probably in the second half
somewhere in the twenties. It's not like you're getting a
top ten pick.

Speaker 5 (18:24):
And so I just I.

Speaker 8 (18:25):
Really don't see in the short term how this is
going to help them the way it would if Michael
Parsons was on the field for them, and even the
long term, like let's just say that, you know, they're
in a rebuilding phase, not that they necessarily are, but
in no way, shape or form does this help Dallas
in the short term or long term.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
And if I'm a veteran in that locker room in Dallas.

Speaker 8 (18:45):
And I keep hearing, you know, the phrase last year,
we're all in, and people have kind of questioned some
of that throughout the throughout the years.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
Now I'm really questioning it, you know.

Speaker 8 (18:54):
Now, I'm really wondering, like what exactly is going on
in Dallas and how does this happen? Because it's not
like Jerry Jones doesn't have the on of the cap
space to do that sort of deal.

Speaker 5 (19:03):
It was a good.

Speaker 8 (19:03):
Deal, but it wasn't astronomical something that really blew things
out of the water. In regards to the Dallas Cowboys
being unable to sign him to that deal. They were
able to make it work with Dak Prescott, They've been
able to make it with Ceedee Lamb and other players.
This wasn't the sort of deal that would completely handicap
them moving forward to their salary caps.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
I just didn't understand the lack of leverage there that
Jerry could have created. You're a businessman, create leverage, and
maybe prior to the draft you could have said he he's available,
or you could have said in the last couple of weeks,
he's available.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Let's get into a bidding war here.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Because to first round two late first round picks and
Kenny Clark, the fact that Seattle gave up three first
round picks for Jamal Adams, you know, Khalil Mack when
he went to the Bears. The Raiders got a better deal, Like,
it just doesn't make sense with what you got in return.

Speaker 8 (19:55):
Yeah, and by the way, is green Bay the only
team that wanted to make a Parson services That's the
other It's like, was there not more teams inquiring?

Speaker 5 (20:02):
Was it green Bay that was your best offer? It's
just shocking.

Speaker 8 (20:06):
I mean, I think if you look at it, statistically speaking,
Micah Parsons is on a run that's again like in
the likes of someone like LT and the likes of
some of the greatest that have ever done it. And
so you have to think that every single team that
is in need of an edge rusher had reached out
and would be willing to mortgage at least the next
few years of the first round of the draft to
have a player like that and sign him to a

(20:27):
long term deal, especially when he's still in his prime.
So look, I don't know if there's more to the
story behind the scenes, whether that's from Micah side or
Jerry Jones' side.

Speaker 5 (20:36):
It feels like that because none of this.

Speaker 8 (20:39):
Makes any sense, and it definitely doesn't from the Dallas
Cowboys standpoint, and I feel bad for their fan base
because I feel like they're being sold a bill of goods.
And it's almost as if you can hear Jerry Jones
up there trying to talk everyone into what makes sense
for this, and it it it sounds like one of
those things where you you know, have your grandparent, they're
getting to a point where you're like, okay, okay, Grandma,

(21:01):
I'm not sure I necessarily believe what you're saying right now.

Speaker 5 (21:04):
But I'm going to give you a hug and a kiss,
and I'm going to keep supporting you.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
I don't know who's running the NFL Players Associate Players
Association anymore, but why did they allow Jerry Jones to
negotiate in parentheses a contract with Michael Parsons without his
agent there.

Speaker 8 (21:20):
I mean, the sheer fact that you don't know who
right now is running the NFLPA kind of lends itself
to how that probably happens. I mean, the NFLPA obviously
has had its issues, let's just put it that way.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
I mean, as far.

Speaker 8 (21:33):
As how things have, how business is being done, or
maybe I should say how some of the meetings were
taking place, especially with some of the venues they were
taking place at. I know Fritzy frequents those from time
to time, but I'll go ahead and leave that out
of it.

Speaker 5 (21:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (21:48):
I mean, this whole entire saga, whatever you want to
how you want to describe it is quite possibly. I mean,
you're can only describe it as it being something that
happens with Jerry Jones and Dallas. I don't know any
other team that does business like this other than Jerry
Jones and the Dallas Cowboys, at least at this point
in time in his career owning the team and being

(22:09):
the general manager.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Talking to Brady Quinn, Fox College Football Analyst, Big noon kickoff,
it'll be there at the Shoe in Columbus and it'll
be number one Texas, number three Ohio State.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
What advice would you give arch Manning.

Speaker 5 (22:24):
Oh, it's a good question.

Speaker 8 (22:26):
I think the first thing I would say, I mean,
he started some games before, but this one's going to
feel different, in part because he's got some new pieces
up in front of him. But it's probably just weathering
the storm. I mean, there's going to be that initial
adrenaline rush, which I'm sure he felt before the first
time he started, going back to last year, even when
he first got in versus Colorado State. You know, you

(22:47):
feel that adrenaline like run through your body where you
get that excitement. But there's going to be a different
feeling in this one because of the atmosphere. I mean,
Bucket Nation is one of the best toughest fan bases
that you're going.

Speaker 5 (23:00):
To go up against.

Speaker 8 (23:00):
There's one hundred thousand plus in that place, and it
gets loud, and so it's really about to me wathering
the storm early. You know, he's still very young in
his career. It's his first year full time now as
a starter, so there's gonna be a mistakes made, and
it's kind of having that short term memory, taking a
deep breath, weathering those first few punches that Ohio State's
gonna have, and then settling in. And that's sometimes easier

(23:23):
said than done. Sometimes it takes you a half of football.
Sometimes it takes you know, a couple of positive plays
or that first big throw, that first completion. It's almost
like you know, playing basketball. You know, once you kind
of break the seal, you're able to make a bucket,
then it feels like you give a little more confident,
like everything's gonna start going in. So I'm sure Steve Sarkisian,
because he's a mastermind at devising plays, is gonna come

(23:44):
up with a few screens just to get him started,
and just also to try to tire out the hot
State pass rush.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Social media is going to have a field day this
After this game, one way or another, it's either Arch
is gonna win the Heisman or Arch is not gonna
win the High or Texas is not a great team,
or Texas looks dominating, Ohio State's overrated, or they're not
going to repeat.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
We tend to do that.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
You know that quick reaction referendum coming up on Monday.
What do you think the headline is going to be
after this game?

Speaker 5 (24:19):
Well, I see it being more of a tight, low
scoring game.

Speaker 8 (24:23):
So I don't know that we're going to see really
either side coming away with like like a blossoming report
on either quarterback or either offense for that matter. I
think it's gonna be more of a defensive battle. Typically
the defense is always ahead of the offense anyway, this
time of year. It's impart the quarterbacks in both these
games are inexperienced.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
You know, Sam's his first start of his career.

Speaker 8 (24:42):
But it's also the offensive line we tend to forget
like that group takes a while to gel and in
particular for Texas, they got a bunch of new starters.
Ohio State has a bunch of guys who play but
have been in a full time starting role. But you
get in that environment again with the crowd, noise, everything else,
and just your communication, how you pass off the stunts
and games. So I think it's gonna be more of
a low scoring, defensive battle, and I think we're gonna

(25:04):
come away with it. Looking at both these two teams
as two of the top teams in college football and
probably two teams that we want to see how they
progress and what they're going to look like at the
end of the season, because they may very well be
squaring it off for a national championship.

Speaker 5 (25:17):
But it's all said done.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
What is it like when you're out there on the road.
Let's say you're at the Big House. Let's say there's
eighty ninety one hundred thousand people there. What's that feeling
like when you first go on the field and you
know everybody in the building hate you?

Speaker 3 (25:33):
It's awesome in it?

Speaker 5 (25:34):
Oh yeah, it's the best thing in the world.

Speaker 8 (25:36):
Like, there is no greater feeling than walking in as
the enemy. And probably the most powerful thing that you
can do in that situation is there silence. And so
when you create those big plays when you throw a
touchdown pass. But I'll never forget going to Michigan in
five and we went in with a no huddle offense
because Charlie West, our coach, was like, we don't even

(25:58):
want to give the crowd the opportunity to any impacts.
And I think our first drive we drove right down
the field, scored and it kind of took the win
out of everyone and we kind of just controlled the
game from there. And I remember thinking back, like walking
out of that place here one hundred thousand plus in
the big house, quiet, nothing better than that, Like, that's
one of the most powerful things you can do as
a quarterback. When you're a part of a team that

(26:20):
wins a game on the road in a big environment
like that and you just hear silence, It's awesome.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Brady is also part of a Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe, the radio program that precedes hours on
a lot of a lot of our affiliates. I was
listening the other day and you were talking about rookie
quarterbacks or second year quarterbacks and they will block out
one side of the field when they go back to pass,
they're already turned. And you know, you were talking about

(26:47):
the windows you have. You everybody's open, but in the
Pros that are only open for you know, a split second.
You were kind of given a referendum on why these
quarterbacks struggle. So if you can recall what you were saying,
you know, with Caleb Williams and you know some of
these other guys, why do they struggle when they first
come in.

Speaker 8 (27:08):
So I think this is and it starts to me
at really a fundamental age of learning how to drop
back because so many offenses. I mean, I've got nephews now.
My sons are too young to play, but I've got
nephews now that are playing in junior high and even
you know, in like fourth grade, fifth grade, and they're
in shotgun already. I mean, they don't do a snap

(27:29):
from under center almost anywhere anymore. And the reason why
I think that's a bad place to start for quarterbacks
is everything under center is tied into a sense of
timing and rhythm. So your three step, five step, seven step,
even your play action pass fakes are all off of that.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
And the reason why that's so important.

Speaker 8 (27:46):
Is because you have a sense of timing for the
full work that your receivers are running too. And so
if your fullwork syncd up with their full work, the
time he kind of works out for it. And I
know it sounds like something small, but that shotguns the
amount of time it takes to get to you sitting
back in shotgun makes just a bit of difference that
it changes really the timing of the play. And so

(28:07):
for a lot of quarterbacks who are trained with playing
from under center, they naturally have that internal clock you
hear people talk about all the time for when they
drop back when they need to get rid of the football.
The other thing it teaches you to do, because you're
sitting right under center, is to get back from the
line of scrimmage so you can see over those big
guys in front of you. And so whether it's your
three step, which no one does any more, five step,

(28:29):
or seven step, it teaches you how to set the
back of the pocket so you can see, but then
step back up into it because then that's what that
tackles our coach to do, is kind of push those
edge rushers out around you. So what happens is oftentimes
when you catch the football and the shotgun, it's really
hard to kind of be as disciplined with your footwork
because the ball takes a little bit longer to get there.

(28:50):
It depends on the center snap too, but oftentimes you're
almost reacting to then when that footwork of the wide receiver,
when things start to kind of come open. You do
your best your can to make that, you know, shotgun
snap in the same rhythm that you have on your center,
but sometimes it doesn't work out that way, and.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
So it hurts the timing of the play. It hurts
how you set the pocket of it.

Speaker 8 (29:10):
But the thing I was pointing out was oftentimes quarterbacks
will catch the football and they find themselves getting the
back of the pocket and they never square up their shoulders.
And if you don't square up your shoulders, you're not
going to be forced to climb up in back into
the pocket and then maintain the ability to still throw
down the field and anyway, left, right, what have you.

Speaker 5 (29:29):
Whether you're right hand or.

Speaker 8 (29:30):
Left handed, Once you turn your hips and your shoulders
parallel to the line of scrimmage, you're really limiting where
you can throw the football downfield because physically it's difficult
to contort your body and throw all arm to the
right side, for example, if you're a right handed quarterback,
or the left side if you're a left handed quarterback,
and so and then you naturally when the way you
see the rush as you want to run left or right,

(29:51):
you don't want to step up into it. So It's
just something that I think has happened over the course
of I don't know, the past decade or so, where
so many quarterbacks now are growing up playing shotgun that
they don't have this natural sense for how to navigate
the pocket, and it takes drill work and it takes.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
Time for these guys to learn how to do it.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, and I saw that with Shador Sanders. When you're
in the gun, it feels like you're going to scramble
out instead of move up in the pocket. It's rare
when these young quarterbacks move up in the pocket. They're
used to escaping, I think, and Montana told me this
years ago. He said, I loved being under center because
it allowed me to watch everything unfold and I could

(30:29):
see everything in real time. I got back to the
pocket and I had a better sense of where I was,
and then I could move up in the pocket. And
it feels like these guys are already back there, and
then they're going to try to be an escape artist.
And that's what Shador's gotten in trouble with, Caleb's gotten
in trouble with, and I don't know how Cam is

(30:50):
going to do or Jackson Dart, but it feels like
they've all been taught kind of the same thing.

Speaker 8 (30:55):
The best way I describe it is if you look
at boxers, for example, on how they navigate the ring.
It's very similar for the full work for a quarterback
because when you get back there, you're really setting up
because you're delivering that overhand right. So every movement you
make should still keep you in a position to be
able to make that overhand right.

Speaker 5 (31:12):
Or that throw. I say overhand right in my case
is I'm right handed.

Speaker 8 (31:16):
And so that's where if you watch a boxer, like
they never are facing each other really directly with their
shoulders parallel. You know, usually they're they're turned a little
bit so they can get torque and they can throw
that overhand right for the knockout points when they need to.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
And so that's why I like I cross.

Speaker 8 (31:31):
Trained with some boxing when I was younger, obviously because
I felt like it was it was great to keep
you in shape, but also it's very applicable for the
way you navigate and move through the pocket.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
And you had to get kind of get used to that.

Speaker 8 (31:41):
And so look again, it's something that you can work on,
you can drill out, but it does take some time
to kind of you know, I guess reinvent you know,
some of your your sense of timing and footwork within
the pocket, even from shotgun, but it just it takes
time and getting a lot of practice at it.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
What do you expect when Notre Dame in Miami Sunday night?

Speaker 8 (32:00):
Yeah, I'm not sure what to expect from Miami. You know,
they've got so many new players. I think I counted
five new starters on defense. Corey Headerman's taken over as
their defensive coordinator because they really struggled defensively last year.
Carson Beck steps in his quarterback which looked two years
ago he was phenomenal. I really thought last year at
Georgia he would play well enough to put himself in
the position to be on top ten pick and it

(32:21):
just didn't work out that way, and he transfers, and
now you've got to learn a new system. You have
to develop chemistry with new pass catchers. That's not easy
to do. So knowing Mario Cristobal and he's got that
O line background, I think he doesn't mind making this
like a battle in the trenches. And I think Marcus
Raemans loves that because that plays right into Notre Dame's hand.

(32:41):
Their defense is going to be stout one of the
best in college football. We've got the best running back
in the country and Jeremiah Love and everyone, like a
lot of people forget Jenering Price.

Speaker 5 (32:50):
Is a damn good back too.

Speaker 8 (32:51):
You know, Little Williams too played as a freshman last
year with those two, so they're gonna be able to
run the football. I think this is a low scoring game,
and I think it's one. It's gonna be a battle,
and it's probably gonna come down to which team can
kind of limit their mistakes. And I think, honestly, CJ. Carr,
He's got all the talent ability in the world. You know,
he just has to make enough big throws and enough

(33:12):
conversions on third down to allow not to name to
take care of business, which I think they will do.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Who has more wins this year, the Patriots or North
Carolina Football.

Speaker 8 (33:24):
Yeah, it's funny, like outside of Clemson the ACC, I
think UNC can make a pretty good case for making
a run at that next team to keep an eye on.
So I'll say they can probably get to nine. It's
gonna be close. I mean, look, I'm a huge Mike
vrabel Fan. I love Drake May. I love everything they've
done with that roster. I think they're gonna finish second

(33:46):
Division this year, so I think that'll met them somewhere
around nine to ten wins. So I'm actually gonna just
say I'm gonna go with the Patriots. I think they're
not ten win team. I think you un ce somewhere
that eight nine ballpark.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Good to talk to you, Safe travels to Columbus, and
thanks for joining us.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
As always, I'm just.

Speaker 5 (34:05):
Hoping to get credential so I get in the stadium
like that's what I'm really.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Will you'll happen? Will you get booed there?

Speaker 9 (34:13):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (34:13):
Well, I get booed. I don't know if I necessarily
will get booed. I don't know that. Uh there's other
people that get booed.

Speaker 8 (34:22):
David, we do a lot of cheerity work with Ohiot
State were donating thousands a year to that school.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
I hope they don't.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Uh linerd will get booed as.

Speaker 8 (34:34):
He should, as he probably should now now Mark Ingram
will never get booed because Mark is like the people's champ.
Like Mark is, he is the party that like wherever
you need to go. You need to bring up the
vibes like Mark is the guy to do it, and
obviously coach won't.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
I mean they love coach.

Speaker 8 (34:49):
You know, Coach won the national championship, so he's in
good standing. I you know, there's some other folks that
can get dicey.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Is Dave Portnoy going to be there with you?

Speaker 5 (35:00):
He will be in Columbus, yes, and on the show.
You know.

Speaker 8 (35:02):
As far as where he'll be, I can't divulge that information.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
I'm guessing he won't be in the stadium.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
I don't know, you never know. I mean that would be.

Speaker 8 (35:11):
One of the all time to be great. Uh yeah,
you know you saw the Michigan win last year. Maybe
he finds his way into the stadium. I can't say.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Thank you, Brady, Brady Quinn And he'll be there with
Big Newton kick off as Ohio State host Texas also
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Speaker 8 (35:49):
Oh my God.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Of the day, My.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
God, the play of the day.

Speaker 10 (36:00):
Swung on hit deep rightfield head, there's history for Swarm.
It's his fourth home run of the night, as Kyle
Swarmer becomes the first Philly since Michael jack Smith to
hit four homers in a game.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
That's courtesy of the Phillies Radio Network. He's done it again.
It's going to be a great season. Fifty home runs,
not gonna win the MVP. I hope it's close. It's
not going to be, but I hope that he gets
some voting respect. You know, he's going to get a
lot of votes for second place there behind Shoheo Tani.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
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Shan Irving set to join us. Not sure if Shay,
oh my gosh zooming in? Hi Shay, Hey Danny, how

(37:04):
you feeling today?

Speaker 9 (37:06):
Didn't sleep?

Speaker 2 (37:08):
How did you find out about this trade? And what
was the next five minutes like for you?

Speaker 9 (37:14):
I was actually on a work call, and my phone
just start blowing up. And then I hung up the
phone on the work call. I just quit. I quit
logged out for the day.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Danny.

Speaker 9 (37:24):
This is you know, I know it doesn't make sense.
Everybody knows it don't make sense. What really makes me
mad is that Jerry Jones thinks we're stupid. He thinks
we're dumb, and he thinks that he can sell this
concoction of why he did it and how he wants
to win now and trading your best player a.

Speaker 10 (37:43):
Week before the opener is somehow good idea, and then
it was somehow let us win now.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
This is the biggest crop, you know what.

Speaker 9 (37:52):
And this is all his ego, Dannie, this is egomania
dot com.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
You are eighty two years old.

Speaker 9 (37:58):
You're gonna die, You're gonna die real soon, and you
ain't gonna have a ring.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
This is what you get.

Speaker 9 (38:03):
This is your actions. This is your sinful nature coming.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Home the roots.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Is there any upside.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
For the cowboys?

Speaker 9 (38:13):
Yeah, they'll have cap space they ain't gonna use. This
is my favorite part. Jerry's telling us, Oh, you know,
Stepid and I were thinking about trading Dick in the
middle of spring. Oh yeah, that's why you restructure CD
and DAK. Really you're gonna treat Micah in the spring?
You all and a cheater?

Speaker 5 (38:33):
And who was apathetic?

Speaker 9 (38:35):
Danny? Now I'm on a mission. Now I'm crazy again.
My meds don't work anymore. I didn't sleep. I double
dosed my meds.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
Last night, Danny.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
I double dosed him.

Speaker 9 (38:42):
The roommate told me to double dose him. I double
dosed him, and I woke up while the birds were singing,
I didn't sleep.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Are you more mad or sad?

Speaker 9 (38:52):
Angry? Angry for Clift, Danny, angry the mendacity coming out
of Jerry Jones at that press conference. He lied to
us for seventeen minutes straight, pretending like, oh, the defensive
tackle who, by the way, thirty years old, getting worse,
contract getting more expensive. You get two first randers, gonna
be in the late picks, twenty five at all. This

(39:13):
is what you get. And if you were really thinking
about it, Danny, you put them on the shopping block
in March when teams have time to start moving around
their cap space. We all know this, and Jerry just
pretends you're gonna die. You're gonna die.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Do you still want to watch the game together on Thursday.

Speaker 9 (39:31):
This is the worst part of my life. I have
to like I'm a six son of a gun. I
don't have a choice. Danny, I am the battered wife.
I am. I need a support group. I need a
sober companion. Today I'll tell you that I need somebody
pulling onto my pocket telling me not to do it
because I am on the edge.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Brother, I'll talk to you later. Whatever.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Danny's Shane irving Dylan, you might have to be his companion,
his friend today, he said, sober conpaged. Well, okay, Todd,
you might have to be.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
I'll try to cheer him up a little bit and
a couple of bad jokes or something.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
He sent a video earlier, the PA ray and if
you thought that was off the rails, that video was.
But that's the passion that he has for this, and
he's right, Jerry is selling you something. And it's almost
when somebody's trying to sell you something, but in the

(40:31):
moment they're trying to sell themselves.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
I thought that Jerry was doing that. Yes, Marvin, I.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Wonder if anybody that's listening to the show right now
or watching the show has decided to quit the Cowboys,
like just quit being a fan.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
It doesn't.

Speaker 5 (40:46):
We joke around about that on this show, but it
doesn't work that way.

Speaker 8 (40:49):
If you're truly invested in, truly care about a team,
you would never consider quitting.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
Only a casual fan quits.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
It's tough to do that. And then who are you
rooting for? The Eagles? The Commanders Texans?

Speaker 5 (41:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
It goes along with the area code. I mean, that's
the zip code, that's you know, you sign up for it.
You can't be shocked now, you can't go okay, that's
the last straw. I mean, this has been thirty years now.
You've had hawes where you make the playoffs. So you
get thirteen wins and then you crash out in the playoffs,
but you cannot. I don't think this comes as a surprise.

(41:31):
At least it shouldn't. I mean there's still the element
of shock that they traded him, kept him in the NFC,
and sent him to a team they're going to play
in a month and made them even more of a
Super Bowl contender. Other than that, check in with the
Cowboys and the Packers right after this
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