April 29, 2025 • 41 mins
Dan wonders what happened to the “Heat Culture” after they get blown out and swept by the Cleveland Cavaliers. And he thinks Shedeur Sanders will be better off with more honesty surrounding him.
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up tonight, Bucks and the Pacers, Pistons, Knicks, Magic, Celtics,
Clippers and the Nuggets. I would say there was basketball
last night, but maybe a reasonable fact simile Cavaliers blowout
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the Miami Heat. Well, so much for Heat culture. This
is one of the biggest blow you know, even by
saying it's a blowout, that's downgrading this. The Cavaliers beat
the Heat one thirty eight to eighty three. They completed
a first round sweep. The fifty five point win fourth
largest margin of victory in a playoff game in NBA history.
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Cleveland also outscored the Heat by a combined one and
twenty two points. That's the largest point differential in a
playoff series in NBA history. How about a round of
applause for the Miami Heat.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
We need a word that's bigger than blowout.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I don't know if you can say those words on
on radio, but at some point you have to go,
we're not going to win this. We probably can't even
make it respectable. But when I saw that it was
forty three to seventeen, I go, Okay, I'm gonna guess
the Cavaliers are probably going to move on. Just a guess,
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but I think they're going to be able to move
on from the Miami Heat and Heat culture. The Miami
Heater is sort of like the Saint Louis Cardinals. They're
always there. Feels like they're always competitive. They'll like dip
in and be in a World Series or win one,
but they're always playoff worthy, playoff caliber. And then all
of a sudden, Jimmy Butler wants out and now it's
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Tyler hero bam Adebayo's team and they went south quickly.
But let's not lose sight of the Cleveland Cavaliers. They
got the defensive player of the year and they got
the coach of the year. They've been a great surprise
that they took that next step, just like Okase did.
That's what you want to see with these teams are
going to compete for a title. What do you do
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the following year when everybody expects you to be great?
Oka see had the best record in basketball. Look at
what the Cavaliers were able to do in the shadow
of the Boston Celtics. But last night, I know we'll
focus on the heat that was embarrassing, But what the
Cabs have done throughout the series, they did what they
were supposed to do. Yes, tod when it's seventy.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Two to thirty three at halftime, when you're in the
locker room, is it okay to take a peek at
the travel agent or kind of figure out why you
might want to go with the family on vacation. You know,
it's foster to catch you doing that, but maybe in
for a second you're in the corner, they're just kind
of looking at the travelosity.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I'm the Miami Heat have made the playoffs twenty six
times in the last thirty two seasons. It's a given.
But all of a sudden you're looking at the Miami
Heat differently. That used to be a destination. Remember, players
would always talk about they wanted to go Miami. Dame
Lillard wanted to go to Mymi. You know a lot
of these players are like, yeah, that's where I want
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to go, And I don't know if that's going to
be the case moving forward here Heat culture. Yes, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
But the thing is they're still in Miami.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
They are they are You can visit, you don't have
to go there.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Kind of like Atlanta. NBA players love visiting Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, just living there. Yeah, well they might love living there.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
And it's not playing there.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yes, Paulin, You're right, there was a time where both
lifestyle and team. The Heat were like a one seed
for free agents.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, but they got roughed up, and now the Cleveland
Cavaliers will move on. Cleveland has Boston next, No, no,
Cleveland has. Well, we don't know what's going to happen
in the rest of the East here. So Magic and
the Celtics and the Pistons and the Knicks. So they
would get the Pacers. The Calves would get the Pacers
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and the Knicks and the Celtics. So that's good, that'll
be fun. I'm telling you the Pacers, they can score.
They're dangerous. Now. I know they're going against the Milwaukee
team that's banged up, but don't sleep on the Pacers
beating Cleveland. I watch enough of them to know that
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they are. They probably love the fact that nobody talks
about them at all. Rick Carlisle probably loves that. It's like,
I don't let them. We don't need it. No headlines here,
nothing to see here. You know, you want to, Hey,
Caitlin Clark's in Indianapolis, you know, come and see Caitlin Clark.
Don't worry about us Pistons in the Knicks. Let's see
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what else do we have? Here's the forty nine ers
extended George Kittle and that just happened. So now he
is the highest paid tight end in the game. Well,
I don't think you're bringing back George Kittle if you're
not going to bring back or pay Rock Party that
kind of money. Now, of course they're bringing back brock Purty.
The question is how much are they going to spend Now.
(05:58):
I would have thought you would have he was signed
brock Purty and then George Kittle, But they've gone the
other way around here with George, you know, because now
they can say to Brock, well, we gave George and
you know a lot of this money, Like, we don't
have that much leftover? Would you play for forty seven
million dollars a year? And I still go back to
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what I said about rock Perty. If he was drafted
where Mac Jones was, I don't think anybody would have
a problem with paying him fifty million dollars. It's just
in our mind we're going he was mister irrelevant. Even
if he's like taking the round before that final round,
we might look at him a little bit differently. But
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the fact that you're mister irrelevant, well, how good can
he be and George Kittle. I think it was a
fifth round draft pick. You know, you get these guys,
and that leads us to Shador Sanders, because yes, everybody
still has some kind of angle on this. There's a
crusade here for Shadoor Sanders. You know, this should not
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be lumped in with Colin Kaepernick, completely different, but you're
getting analyst or host who are saying, oh, you know,
Kaepernick was blackboard. I don't think Shudoor Sanders was, although
Boomers Sizin did say on his radio show that owners
were told to take him off their draft boards, told
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their people to take him off their draft boards. Okay,
I don't think that's collusion, but you know, it feels
like people are trying to make this more than maybe
you just had somebody who was not as good as
we thought. Maybe you had those doing mock drafts who
didn't do a good job on this. They basically whiffed
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on it, and they took Dion's word that his son
was great. And Albert Brier, the Monday morning quarterback, is
going to join us coming up, and you know, he
had some interesting things to say, and he said, you know,
let's just have an honest conversation about Shador Sanders, and
he said it starts with the team's evaluations of Dion's
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son Shador as a player. Tuesday, before the draft, Albert
Breyer in the Monday Morning Quarterback said that it wasn't
easy to find coaches or scouts who viewed the Colorado
quarterback as a first round talent. He's not a great athlete,
didn't show great arm talent, bad habits of taking unnecessary sacks,
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bailing out of the back of the pocket, had trouble
playing on time in general, did things off schedule, and
they weren't going to translate to the NFL. Also, he
did not take blame when asked about interceptions when he
was interviewed by some teams. Okay, but did we think
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he was going to drop to the fifth If we
knew all of this, then why were we still banging
the drum that he should be a top ten pick,
fifteen pick, first round pick Steelers at twenty one. I mean,
it was right there in front of us, wasn't it.
It's the same thing with Johnny Manziel. Johnny Manziel, everything
that was going on with him was right in front
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of us. It felt like we didn't want to ruin
the story, like the story was great Johnny Manziel And
then if you realize guy didn't love football. I think
he was great at football. He cared about being a star.
I didn't put in the time stuff that went on
at Texas A and m Thank god he had Mike
Evans as you know, his wide receiver, you know, so
it was right there. We sometimes have wishful reporting, and
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I don't know if people wished that Shador Sanders was
going in the first round, but we certainly liked the
prospect of could he go to the Steelers, what's Dion's
relationship with Mike Tomlin? What about the Rams? Would the
Rams go up and get him? Are the Giants going
to go back into the first you know? So we
created all these scenarios, and really I think Shador Sanders
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needed somebody who was going to be honest with him.
I think his son, or being the son of Dion,
you know, there is entitlement there. I think, you're it's
your team, You're able to do what you want. You're
the quarterback, But are you as good as you think
you are? Like you can tell us and your dad
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can tell us. I just think that they probably needed
somebody in their camp to say, I'm going to be
honest with you here, because you have a lot of
yes men. If you're around celebrities, you're around actors, musicians,
there's a lot of people tell you what you want
to hear, but you want to hear what is going
to make you better, what is going to keep you grounded.
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He doesn't have an agent, and that agent might have
been honest with Shador and just said, man, I don't
want to be a buzzkill, but I'm not hearing good
things about this or this or this. Hey got to
be ready for this, Like that's what an agent does.
I'm sure there are advisers there, but Dion. When Dion
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was with us at the super Bowl, it certainly felt
like he was the battering ram. He was, he was
the trojan horse. He was going in and he was
going to tell teams don't draft my son. Talked about
the Cleveland Browns, not wanting his son to go there.
But I think if somebody would have been or should
have been honest, then maybe he wouldn't have suffered a
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painful lesson. Now. He would have gotten humbled, but he
would at least been prepared. And then that's when you
take the initiative. That's where you go, Hey, I got
things that I'm working on, and we'll continue to work on.
And I realize I'm not a finished product. I'm ready
to go. Whatever Cleveland wants me to do, I'll do.
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I want to be the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns.
I get least if you push it forward and not
be defensive or blame it on you know, scouts or
people didn't like Dion, whatever somebody's initiative is. I think
just being honest, that's sometimes what you want to There
are times I don't want to hear things, but I'll
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hear things that I know that you know, PAULI will say, Hey,
don't want to be a buzzkill, but and then he'll
tell me something like, all right, I got to eat that.
This is what shador I think needed because the truth
is the best advice of all In a situation like this,
and you get caught up in this, you're like being
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told you know a lot of sycophans out there, They're
going to tell you what you want to hear. Man,
you're great, man, You get those giants cleats man, You're
going to the giants, you know, you and Malik Neighbors,
You're gonna be It's you man. I mean, that's why
you have guys who watch Entourage. You know, when you
see Entourage, they're telling Benny Chase whatever he wants to hear,
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that's what this is. And maybe maybe he had tough
love for him and told him, hey, you got to
stop doing this. Hey, you got to be in the moment.
Hey you have to listen to these people. Hey, you
got to be prepared. I mean, I would think Dion
would do that, But it certainly didn't feel like Shador
Sanders went into those interviews trying to impress you. It's
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almost as if he came into those interviews to say,
all right, you need to impress me. What do you got?
And it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah, Paul, it does feel a bit like a confluence
of things. The first athletes of the NIL era who
were making millions in college come in differently, with a
different tone, driving whatever cars are driving, and maybe they
don't play the game like they used to. But it
seems like a couple things happened the past twenty four hours.
I don't know who said it the other day. But
some teams never even looked at Shador Sanders because they
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didn't expect him to fall. So that takes a bunch
of teams out that might have drafted him. Then Boomer
size and said a few owners told their people don't
take him under under circumstances. That takes out a couple
more teams. Now you're running out of possible landing spots
where it doesn't really matter how many rounds you go.
If those teams passed on you, they're not going to
come back. Like a couple things had to happen for
this to happen.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, but I still go back to the Raiders. I mean,
Tom Brady's known this kid for a long time.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
But and he.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Drafted a quarterback later on. So you can't go in
it and go, hey, where's our bargain in the draft?
If Tom so when you say, oh, you know this
is clusion, why did Tom Brady pass on him and
they drafted a quarterback late in the draft. That's what
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I don't understand because Tom has been around Shador Sanders
and Dion had him mentor his son, and they bypassed
him a few times, I think, and I don't have
confirmation on this, but I'm trying to get this is
there were a couple of teams that just didn't view
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him as a starter, but he did view him as
a quarterback in the NFL. And there's a big difference
in that because a lot of times you'll get the
quarterback in the first round, but you don't get the
quarterback until like the fourth or fifth round. Now, you know,
Jalen Hurts was a second round pick, but you know,
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if you look back on some of these drafts, a
lot of times you don't get the second round, you know,
draft pick at that position because you're either good enough
to be in the first round or you're going to
be later on because you're a backup quarterback. Now, some
of these guys will take snaps as a starter this year.
I truly believe there could be three or four of
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these quarterbacks who were taken later who will play this
year in the NFL. But that doesn't mean their first
round you know, talents, That doesn't mean there's a franchise quarterback,
a starting quarterback. And I think that's what happened with
Shador Sanders. He was a really good college quarterback. He
got by with doing some things that he needed to
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really clean up on. And these are things that I
told you about with arm strength, line of scrimmage, speeding
things up, you know, being you know, having that clock
in your head being And this is what is told
to me by two scouts and helped out by having
Travis Hunter as well, held onto the ball too long,
didn't take blame when things went bad. But then I
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had one scout who said to me last night his
teammates loved him, loved him. They like they his energy,
everything about it. And I'm like, like, there's there's just
such a fractured, mixed message here. That's what I'm still
trying to figure this out. But I do think, as
I talked to a source last night, he just not
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viewed as his starting quarterback. A franchise quarterback was the word.
But that's why he drifted because he's a backup quarterback
and some people's eyes and I think, yeah, Cleveland going
back in to get him, that felt like that was
an owner doing Dianna solid there and his son. It
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really felt that way, whether that's true or not. And
I think Cleveland was the right place for him. I
really do. I think Shador Sanders will eventually be the
starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Now.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I don't know if he's great, but I still think
that situation. And they owe forty six million dollars to
Deshaun Watson this year and next year. Congratulations. All right,
let me take a break. Getting long winded here. Let's
see pole question. Have that for you coming up?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Yes, Pom, I just keep thinking about the Browns watching
Baker Mayfield throw for forty touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, all right, we'll take a break. We're back after this.
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Play of the Day coming up age seven three DP show.
You want to dial this up? Settle on a poll
question here. Albert Brier, the Monday Morning Quarterback had some
great intel on Shador Sanders, and he said in his column,
let's just have an honest conversation about Shador Sanders. But
I still lean on, did you have somebody who was
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playing the bad guy here who was going to tell
you what the truth was or is? Because there are
a lot of you know now, the stories come out,
and I'm curious why the stories came out when you
had reporters, analysts, this is what they do. Like this information,
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I'm surprised didn't surface before that. Now you would get
like a bad interview here, okay, and then all of
a sudden you got he went to the shrine Bowl
and didn't want to do anything. I wasn't cooperative, you know. Now,
this is just people reporting this. I don't have any
other information on that, so I'm taking their word on this.
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But I still go back to how many quarterbacks have
been taken in the second round in the last ten years, PAULI.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
It's pretty uncommon. They usually go first or way down, fourth, fifth, sixth,
Will Levis twenty twenty three, Kyle Trast twenty twenty one,
Jalen Hurts Jalen Hurts twenty twenty, Drew Locke twenty nineteen,
Deshaun Kaiser Wow twenty seventeen, in back, Christian Hackenberg twenty sixteen,
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and Derek Carr Jimmy Garoppolo twenty fourteen. That's the past
ten years.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, and this goes back to what my source told
me yesterday. We look at a first round grade and
there's a big drop from first round grade down to
a third or fourth round grade. I mean, that's that's
the reality of this. They have first round grades and
then all of a sudden they have other needs for
that second and third round and then fourth round, fifth round.
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If you're there or sixth, then maybe they go after you,
but they're gonna view you differently, and you're gonna be
viewed as a backup quarterback as opposed to a franchise quarterback.
Jackson Dart is viewed as a starter for the Giants.
Cam Ward will start from day one. But they didn't
have other grades, first round grades. And I think that's
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why Shoulder fell because he wasn't a second round and
you know, it wasn't third round because they're you know,
if you're a second round pick, now, all of a sudden,
you've got a little bit more cachet when you walk
into that locker room. When you're in the fourth or
fifth or sixth round, it's different. You're you're just thrilled
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to be on a team, thrilled to be on a roster.
And I think that's what Shador was fitting into that window.
It was first round, Nope, it was going to be
a little bit further than that.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah, I just did the math on it, and it's
about eight quarterbacks taken a round two over the past decade,
you know, twenty quarterbacks taking around four and five.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yeah, but that's what you're looking you know, when you
get a quarterback there, you're you're maybe it's a pleasant
surprise where you go, hey, you know you might you
might start, might start here, Hey, going to make the roster,
or And that's where you're looking for a different kind
of personality, like who are you? Are you Bailey Zappy
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and you're going to be good in the quarterback room,
Joe Milton, Like, you're looking for guys who they may start,
but how are they going to be in the quarterback room?
And maybe that scared some teams with Shador because you're
bringing in more than just a quarterback taking one hundred
and forty fourth who in his mind is probably going, hey,
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I'm first round, I'm better than cam Ward. I'm sure
he has that that kind of feeling consensus, I'm the
best quarterback in the draft. I mean, I'm sure Jackson
Dart feels that way and cam Ward and Tyler shut
I mean, but that's the mindset you have to have,
but you need to have somebody who deals in reality.
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And that's the point that I think wasn't made. Would
an agent have been honest with Shador and Dion and said,
I'm not hearing great things. Because if Dion calls one
of the antlers, I mean, he used to work for
the NFL network. He knows all of these guys. If
he said, hey, what's going on, is somebody going to go, man,
I'm hearing some bad things. You know, it didn't go
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well with the Giants or the Shrine. I don't know
if somebody is gonna be honest with you because you're Dion,
and Dion's telling everybody his son's a first round talent.
They may go top five.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Yes, Ton, And if you did have an agent with
you who was honest and you're doing with egos, a
father and son what have you, maybe they're like, well,
if you don't believe in my son, will just get
another agent.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
I'm not going to listen to that.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
We're gonna go with someone that's on board with a
team prime that thinks he is going to go far
and go high in the draft.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
All right, we have a poll question seating for hour one.
What are you thinking about?
Speaker 8 (24:12):
Well, we got a couple of options here for you.
This one not anything NFL Draft related, But if the
Miami Heat didn't quit last night, what did they do?
So your options there? They could be let's see, Pauli's
been all over this one. They realized it was over.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Okay, But you don't want to say an athlete, a
professional athlete quit, right.
Speaker 8 (24:40):
They didn't quit last night? But did they just except
that they couldn't win? We're not gonna win. We can't win.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I think I need to come up with another phrase
where I don't accuse somebody of quitting. Did they give
less than their all? Were they conserving their energy for
next season? Yes, Todd, you don't want.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
To get hurt right before vacation either.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
You give me it drew down fifty three and then
you'll pull a ham And now like you had plans
to go on a boat somewhere, now you're on crutches
during your off time because you were trying odd down forty.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
That's fair.
Speaker 8 (25:14):
This might be less of a poll question and more
of something we take suggestions for. If the Miami Heat
didn't quit last night, what.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Did they do? I would say nothing.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
They didn't quit, they didn't give up. They just did nothing.
They just didn't try. They didn't give it. They're all
they didn't give one hundred and ten. This is where
you can say, you know, you didn't give one hundred
and ten percent. You gave I don't know, like forty
one percent. But you lose one thirty eight to eighty three.
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You lose my fifty five.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
That's not good. That's not good. That's embarrassing. You can't
do that in the playoffs. And you know the Cavs
score points. They're going to get a hundred twenty. But
you know there was a while remember first team to
ninety ninety points and you'd win an NBA game. Now
you can get about twenty. That doesn't mean you're going
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to win any other poll questions for hour one, Yeah,
we actually got a bunch here from the to dub
oh if you're interested in those. Yeah, sure, would you
want Draymond Green on your team right now?
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (26:22):
Or no?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Okay right now? But for how much longer? Right now?
Just that's it. This all you're getting is this playoffs
right now? Yeah? Yes?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
This hyeah?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Well, Steve Kerr had some great praise for Draymond Green.
He had this to say, when a team.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
In the game on the line decides to post up
Draymond and you're watching it, like, how on the scale
of one to.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
One hundred, how good do you feel about.
Speaker 9 (26:59):
Your chances in that one being great or one hundred
being great, one hundred being great, one hundreds, I feel
like one hundred.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (27:06):
I mean, he's the best defender I've ever seen my life,
and he rises to the occasion.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
You know, on top of being a great defender, he's.
Speaker 9 (27:17):
An incredible competitor. And so anytime and we've seen it,
I've seen it for eleven years, came on the line,
Draymond making a stop. It's like having Steph Curry take
the shot.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Okay, you're going to back your guy. Steve's been around
a lot of great defenders. Now I would say, Steve,
you're saying Draymond is a better defender than Michael Jordan.
Are you saying he's better than Scottie Pippen? And then
he would have to modify his answer because those guys
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were two of the greatest who have ever played defense.
I mean, Draymond's a nuisance. Draymond learned from the Dennis
Rodman playbook, when Dennis with the Bulls and what he
did to Karl Malone when they would face them, or
Sean Kemp get into your head. I mean, all of
these guys are kind of taking what Rodman did. And
Rodman was one of the smartest basketball players I've ever
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been around and really never gotten credit for that. And
Draymond is a really basketball IQ is very high. Would
I want him on my team? Yes, I'd have to
know how many technicals he had during the regular season,
and I'd like to know who is going to be
the lifeguard here babysitting him, because I don't think he
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listens like he does stupid things. And you can see
how Steph Curry reacts like come on, like what are
we doing? Why are we doing this? But that's he's
came in that way, he'll go out that way. Do
I think he's one of the great defenders of all time? Yeah?
I guess yeah, But I'm talking about there's a difference
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in being a great defender like Rudy Gobert. I always
bring up and most overrated player in the history of
the game, but they'd say, oh, rim protector. Well, then
I'd watch him against Joker, and I go, no, no, no, no, no.
He should be competitive when he's going against Giannis and
some of these guys, and they probably look at him
(29:19):
like are you kidding me? But you know, we get
caught up in on ball defender like that to me
is defense. It's me against you, not help defense. Ben Wallace,
one of the great defenders, help wise, not on ball
going went into the Hall of Fame Defensive Player of
the Year a few times. Give me the guy who
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I got him, like Gary Payton was I got that
guy right there. That to me is a defender, the
guy who helped defense. Okay, that usually means you don't
have a guy who's that good that you're sloughing off of.
And you can cheat a little bit here. But if
Jordan wanted to the best defender in the game, and
(30:03):
let's take out Bill Russell. But I'm talking about modern basketball,
Mike or Scotty could have been the best defensive player
in the game in the history of the game because
they could guard everybody, especially Pippin. I thought Pippen was
a better all around defender than Mike because he's gonna
guard anybody and he's going to block your shot, he's
gonna have steals. Remember when he picked up Mark Jackson
(30:25):
full court when they faced him in the playoffs. I
felt bad for Mark because you know, he looked like
ice Cube out there on the on the floor against Scotti.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yeah, pauling Draymond Green got twelve technical fouls this season.
He said before the year started his goal is to
have ten under ten because he's been over ten for
eleven straight year. Isn't he though? A guy like him
a necessity to winning teams. You have to have one
guy who will do the things, the picks, the flair knees,
the diving and frustrating other players. He's an I think
(30:59):
he's an necessity to a great team.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yes, I mean he's not the best player, although like
he's the best passer on the team, and he rebounds
and he does all the intangibles. I like that. I
just wish he wouldn't you be silly out there? And
when when the Celtics played the Warriors, and I remember
coming in after one of those games and I said,
somebody's got to just tell him you can act silly.
(31:24):
Jason Tatum is laughing at you. Now. It just played basketball,
and he did and they ended up winning, But I
think sometimes you get caught up and this is how
I'm supposed to play. And he's going to be a
Hall of Famer. Though, is he the best defender that
Steve's ever seen? I don't think so, but back your guy, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
But as an on ball defender, Frey mind is the
best in this era. I don't know about any any
other heirs this era. On ball defender, moving your feet,
great hands, greatest wiping the ball, a great post defender
for being some for someone at six to six.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Do you think that he is a better defender than
Scottie Pippen? No, do you think he's better than Mike? Boy,
you didn't see Mike, then if you pause, you didn't
see Mike. But if Mike wanted to lock you down,
Mike would, like I'm telling you he would, he would
lock you down.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Because maybe I'm looking at last three peate Mike, maybe
holding a last three peat Mike, Because like you said,
I think the greatest player I've ever seen is Michael
Jordan before the rings. Michael Jordan before the rings. Ice
Cube said it best freaking brothers every way like mj.
However you wanted it Mike was gonna give it to you.
(32:46):
On defense, He's gonna block all the shots. He's gonna
make all he he averaged thirty seven points a game
and one Defensive Player of the Year in the same season. Yeah,
so you're right, You're right. I'm gonna concede to Michael.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Jordan if Mike, if Mike wanted it, Mike would get it.
He just would. But I think that Scotty. Scotty was
a better defender all around than Mike. And and if
you go, I can guard one through five. There aren't
many guys who can do one through five. I mean,
Gary Payton was great. He'd not garden one through five.
He might get one and two, but that's it. But
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being you know, okay, I think the consensus is Draymond
Green one of the great defenders of all time. We
can agree. Yeah, we can agree on that. And he's
gonna go into the Hall of Fame. All right, let
me take a break. When we come back, we're gonna
have a quick NFL game. What is the quick NFL
game We're going to play? Paul? Oh wow? Okay. Play
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Speaker 3 (35:00):
Dan, here's the NFL game, Marvin. You have custom music
just for today. If you had a better week's pay,
which NFL team will not win? A playoff game in
the next three years. Win a playoff game. I wanted
to go and make the playoffs, but I thought a
lot of teams can make the playoffs. Which team, well,
(35:21):
you bet would not win a playoff game. Who would
like to go first?
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Oh? Oh, okay.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
I think the Cleveland Browns are getting further, not closer.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
After this weekend.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
I've been thinking about them a lot. I think they're
going further than closer to this.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
I don't think that's break into programming. News there.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Well, I was not break into programming, but a lot
of people love what they did on draft Day. I
think they made a big mistake and then they made
it worse, not better.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Okay, Todd, what about your team that won't win a
playoff game.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
I'm having a tough time seeing the Arizona Cardinals winning
a playoff game in the next night.
Speaker 8 (35:58):
What about you, Seaton Man, Well, it's tough without the
the Browns on the board.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I'm going to say the Titans. I don't think they're close. Okay, Marvin, I'm.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Going to say the Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Wow, all right, that's a good choice there. I would
say the Browns just because they're the Browns. You know,
you factor in the division that you're in that makes
it tough for them. If you're the Colts, you might
be able to win that division. Or Tennessee could win
that division. I mean the Colts. I thought the Colts
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were going to be a ten win team. They won eight.
You know, would that have put them in the playoffs
with the ten wins? And they may eventually get it right,
but you know they're quarterbacking situations in a state of
flux right now.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Yes, Tom, I know he's made some strides, but Panthers
is bryce you down and the Panthers win a play.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
We're rooting for him? Yeah, we are. How about the Jets?
Aaron Glenn talking a good game, bringing his Dan Campbell
attitude there to the Jets. Okay, I mean you can
have that attitude, it's great, but I just go, all right,
(37:16):
who's your quarterback? Like that's where I start. Hey, your
coach talking tough man? Who's your quarterback?
Speaker 5 (37:23):
All right?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Justin fields?
Speaker 6 (37:24):
All right?
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Fine? Like I'm okay with that. The Bills aren't going
anywhere as far as they're going to be a mainstay
in there. Patriots will probably get better here sooner and
I don't know what's going on with the Dolphins. I
just I don't have high hopes for that situation. That's
your quick NFL game Dan in Salt Lake by Dan,
(37:48):
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 6 (37:51):
Good morning, Dan and crew. I messed up last Friday,
so I would like to say six to one is soft.
Two twenty and one. Question is the fact that Shador
Sanders filed eleven dollars in bankruptcy a character flaw as
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far as the GM's around the league when it comes
to ability to confine yourself and be structured. If you
would answered, I'll take it off here. Thank you for
your time.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah, I don't know enough about it. I mean I
saw the report. I don't I didn't do a deep
dive on him. I know that with Nil made a
lot of money. He drove a maybox I believe gave
his dat a gift as well, something expensive.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Yeah, Paulin, Yeah, that story is not about Shador Sanders,
is about his brother, Shiloh, So that's fact.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah, once again, I didn't know anything about it. Let's see,
how about.
Speaker 8 (38:52):
While defiling bankruptcy? Though it made you not good enough
to be a quarterback, but pretty much do any other
line of work, Brandon, you'd be the leader of the
free world and file bankruptcy a gajillion times, But you
can't play quarterback for an NFL team. That seems unlikely.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Brandon in Wisconsin joining us, Hi Brandon.
Speaker 11 (39:12):
Hey, Dan six three five. So you were talking about
Shador Sanders and being a fifth rone pick and just
being like he could be happy to be on the
team as loaded as the I shouldn't say loaded, but
as full as the Cleveland Brown's quarterback room is. If
he has a real bad summer and a bad camp,
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is there a chance that he doesn't make the team
at all?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Sure? Yeah, but I think for everybody, like not many
teams go into training camp and go everybody could be released,
like Canny Pickett. Does Joe Flacco even play this year?
I think the odds are right now that Kenny Pickett
(39:56):
will be the starter for the Cleveland Browns. But Dylan Gabriel,
I don't know Shador. I think Shador will end up
getting a start this year. It's about as far as
I can go with it. Uh Jack and Michigan, Hi,
Jack Morning, Dan Morning.
Speaker 12 (40:17):
I love hearing the draft every year because of all
the cliches, and the one that I heard numerous times
this year was about defensive linemen with a high ceiling
because they have heavy hands and violent hands. And I'm
wondering if Marvin has a low pickleball ceiling because he
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has light hands and peaceful hands.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Okay, do you have peaceful hands, Marvin.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
But just because my hands are small doesn't mean they're
not violent. Whoa, Aaron Donald, meet your hart. Look at
that move on? No one can see it on radio
what I'm doing right now.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Holding down?
Speaker 5 (41:01):
Sorry?
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Sorry, Yeah, that's violent. Those are heavy hands.
Speaker 5 (41:05):
You couldn't see him.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
But oh yeah, I love those cliches. It's like they
lock onto one or two and then everybody's using it
that year. Yeah, pa, oily Hips was twenty eighteen. That's
that was Mike Mayon, he gave us oily Hips.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
Loved that one.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Yeah, uh, that reminded me that time in the club
in Atlanta.
Speaker 6 (41:32):
Do tell.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
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the Day, all of that forthcoming. You got basketball coming
up tonight, Bucks and the Pacers, Pistons, Knicks, Magic, Celtics,
Clippers and the Nuggets. I would say there was basketball
last night, but maybe a reasonable fact simile Cavaliers blowout
(01:10):
the Miami Heat. Well, so much for Heat culture. This
is one of the biggest blow you know, even by
saying it's a blowout, that's downgrading this. The Cavaliers beat
the Heat one thirty eight to eighty three. They completed
a first round sweep. The fifty five point win fourth
largest margin of victory in a playoff game in NBA history.
(01:35):
Cleveland also outscored the Heat by a combined one and
twenty two points. That's the largest point differential in a
playoff series in NBA history. How about a round of
applause for the Miami Heat.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
We need a word that's bigger than blowout.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I don't know if you can say those words on
on radio, but at some point you have to go,
we're not going to win this. We probably can't even
make it respectable. But when I saw that it was
forty three to seventeen, I go, Okay, I'm gonna guess
the Cavaliers are probably going to move on. Just a guess,
(02:21):
but I think they're going to be able to move
on from the Miami Heat and Heat culture. The Miami
Heater is sort of like the Saint Louis Cardinals. They're
always there. Feels like they're always competitive. They'll like dip
in and be in a World Series or win one,
but they're always playoff worthy, playoff caliber. And then all
of a sudden, Jimmy Butler wants out and now it's
(02:44):
Tyler hero bam Adebayo's team and they went south quickly.
But let's not lose sight of the Cleveland Cavaliers. They
got the defensive player of the year and they got
the coach of the year. They've been a great surprise
that they took that next step, just like Okase did.
That's what you want to see with these teams are
going to compete for a title. What do you do
(03:06):
the following year when everybody expects you to be great?
Oka see had the best record in basketball. Look at
what the Cavaliers were able to do in the shadow
of the Boston Celtics. But last night, I know we'll
focus on the heat that was embarrassing, But what the
Cabs have done throughout the series, they did what they
were supposed to do. Yes, tod when it's seventy.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Two to thirty three at halftime, when you're in the
locker room, is it okay to take a peek at
the travel agent or kind of figure out why you
might want to go with the family on vacation. You know,
it's foster to catch you doing that, but maybe in
for a second you're in the corner, they're just kind
of looking at the travelosity.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I'm the Miami Heat have made the playoffs twenty six
times in the last thirty two seasons. It's a given.
But all of a sudden you're looking at the Miami
Heat differently. That used to be a destination. Remember, players
would always talk about they wanted to go Miami. Dame
Lillard wanted to go to Mymi. You know a lot
of these players are like, yeah, that's where I want
(04:02):
to go, And I don't know if that's going to
be the case moving forward here Heat culture. Yes, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
But the thing is they're still in Miami.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
They are they are You can visit, you don't have
to go there.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Kind of like Atlanta. NBA players love visiting Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, just living there. Yeah, well they might love living there.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
And it's not playing there.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yes, Paulin, You're right, there was a time where both
lifestyle and team. The Heat were like a one seed
for free agents.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, but they got roughed up, and now the Cleveland
Cavaliers will move on. Cleveland has Boston next, No, no,
Cleveland has. Well, we don't know what's going to happen
in the rest of the East here. So Magic and
the Celtics and the Pistons and the Knicks. So they
would get the Pacers. The Calves would get the Pacers
(04:56):
and the Knicks and the Celtics. So that's good, that'll
be fun. I'm telling you the Pacers, they can score.
They're dangerous. Now. I know they're going against the Milwaukee
team that's banged up, but don't sleep on the Pacers
beating Cleveland. I watch enough of them to know that
(05:16):
they are. They probably love the fact that nobody talks
about them at all. Rick Carlisle probably loves that. It's like,
I don't let them. We don't need it. No headlines here,
nothing to see here. You know, you want to, Hey,
Caitlin Clark's in Indianapolis, you know, come and see Caitlin Clark.
Don't worry about us Pistons in the Knicks. Let's see
(05:37):
what else do we have? Here's the forty nine ers
extended George Kittle and that just happened. So now he
is the highest paid tight end in the game. Well,
I don't think you're bringing back George Kittle if you're
not going to bring back or pay Rock Party that
kind of money. Now, of course they're bringing back brock Purty.
The question is how much are they going to spend Now.
(05:58):
I would have thought you would have he was signed
brock Purty and then George Kittle, But they've gone the
other way around here with George, you know, because now
they can say to Brock, well, we gave George and
you know a lot of this money, Like, we don't
have that much leftover? Would you play for forty seven
million dollars a year? And I still go back to
(06:20):
what I said about rock Perty. If he was drafted
where Mac Jones was, I don't think anybody would have
a problem with paying him fifty million dollars. It's just
in our mind we're going he was mister irrelevant. Even
if he's like taking the round before that final round,
we might look at him a little bit differently. But
(06:42):
the fact that you're mister irrelevant, well, how good can
he be and George Kittle. I think it was a
fifth round draft pick. You know, you get these guys,
and that leads us to Shador Sanders, because yes, everybody
still has some kind of angle on this. There's a
crusade here for Shadoor Sanders. You know, this should not
(07:03):
be lumped in with Colin Kaepernick, completely different, but you're
getting analyst or host who are saying, oh, you know,
Kaepernick was blackboard. I don't think Shudoor Sanders was, although
Boomers Sizin did say on his radio show that owners
were told to take him off their draft boards, told
(07:26):
their people to take him off their draft boards. Okay,
I don't think that's collusion, but you know, it feels
like people are trying to make this more than maybe
you just had somebody who was not as good as
we thought. Maybe you had those doing mock drafts who
didn't do a good job on this. They basically whiffed
(07:49):
on it, and they took Dion's word that his son
was great. And Albert Brier, the Monday morning quarterback, is
going to join us coming up, and you know, he
had some interesting things to say, and he said, you know,
let's just have an honest conversation about Shador Sanders, and
he said it starts with the team's evaluations of Dion's
(08:11):
son Shador as a player. Tuesday, before the draft, Albert
Breyer in the Monday Morning Quarterback said that it wasn't
easy to find coaches or scouts who viewed the Colorado
quarterback as a first round talent. He's not a great athlete,
didn't show great arm talent, bad habits of taking unnecessary sacks,
(08:34):
bailing out of the back of the pocket, had trouble
playing on time in general, did things off schedule, and
they weren't going to translate to the NFL. Also, he
did not take blame when asked about interceptions when he
was interviewed by some teams. Okay, but did we think
(08:55):
he was going to drop to the fifth If we
knew all of this, then why were we still banging
the drum that he should be a top ten pick,
fifteen pick, first round pick Steelers at twenty one. I mean,
it was right there in front of us, wasn't it.
It's the same thing with Johnny Manziel. Johnny Manziel, everything
that was going on with him was right in front
(09:16):
of us. It felt like we didn't want to ruin
the story, like the story was great Johnny Manziel And
then if you realize guy didn't love football. I think
he was great at football. He cared about being a star.
I didn't put in the time stuff that went on
at Texas A and m Thank god he had Mike
Evans as you know, his wide receiver, you know, so
it was right there. We sometimes have wishful reporting, and
(09:40):
I don't know if people wished that Shador Sanders was
going in the first round, but we certainly liked the
prospect of could he go to the Steelers, what's Dion's
relationship with Mike Tomlin? What about the Rams? Would the
Rams go up and get him? Are the Giants going
to go back into the first you know? So we
created all these scenarios, and really I think Shador Sanders
(10:03):
needed somebody who was going to be honest with him.
I think his son, or being the son of Dion,
you know, there is entitlement there. I think, you're it's
your team, You're able to do what you want. You're
the quarterback, But are you as good as you think
you are? Like you can tell us and your dad
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can tell us. I just think that they probably needed
somebody in their camp to say, I'm going to be
honest with you here, because you have a lot of
yes men. If you're around celebrities, you're around actors, musicians,
there's a lot of people tell you what you want
to hear, but you want to hear what is going
to make you better, what is going to keep you grounded.
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He doesn't have an agent, and that agent might have
been honest with Shador and just said, man, I don't
want to be a buzzkill, but I'm not hearing good
things about this or this or this. Hey got to
be ready for this, Like that's what an agent does.
I'm sure there are advisers there, but Dion. When Dion
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was with us at the super Bowl, it certainly felt
like he was the battering ram. He was, he was
the trojan horse. He was going in and he was
going to tell teams don't draft my son. Talked about
the Cleveland Browns, not wanting his son to go there.
But I think if somebody would have been or should
have been honest, then maybe he wouldn't have suffered a
(11:28):
painful lesson. Now. He would have gotten humbled, but he
would at least been prepared. And then that's when you
take the initiative. That's where you go, Hey, I got
things that I'm working on, and we'll continue to work on.
And I realize I'm not a finished product. I'm ready
to go. Whatever Cleveland wants me to do, I'll do.
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I want to be the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns.
I get least if you push it forward and not
be defensive or blame it on you know, scouts or
people didn't like Dion, whatever somebody's initiative is. I think
just being honest, that's sometimes what you want to There
are times I don't want to hear things, but I'll
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hear things that I know that you know, PAULI will say, Hey,
don't want to be a buzzkill, but and then he'll
tell me something like, all right, I got to eat that.
This is what shador I think needed because the truth
is the best advice of all In a situation like this,
and you get caught up in this, you're like being
(12:33):
told you know a lot of sycophans out there, They're
going to tell you what you want to hear. Man,
you're great, man, You get those giants cleats man, You're
going to the giants, you know, you and Malik Neighbors,
You're gonna be It's you man. I mean, that's why
you have guys who watch Entourage. You know, when you
see Entourage, they're telling Benny Chase whatever he wants to hear,
(12:57):
that's what this is. And maybe maybe he had tough
love for him and told him, hey, you got to
stop doing this. Hey, you got to be in the moment.
Hey you have to listen to these people. Hey, you
got to be prepared. I mean, I would think Dion
would do that, But it certainly didn't feel like Shador
Sanders went into those interviews trying to impress you. It's
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almost as if he came into those interviews to say,
all right, you need to impress me. What do you got?
And it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah, Paul, it does feel a bit like a confluence
of things. The first athletes of the NIL era who
were making millions in college come in differently, with a
different tone, driving whatever cars are driving, and maybe they
don't play the game like they used to. But it
seems like a couple things happened the past twenty four hours.
I don't know who said it the other day. But
some teams never even looked at Shador Sanders because they
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didn't expect him to fall. So that takes a bunch
of teams out that might have drafted him. Then Boomer
size and said a few owners told their people don't
take him under under circumstances. That takes out a couple
more teams. Now you're running out of possible landing spots
where it doesn't really matter how many rounds you go.
If those teams passed on you, they're not going to
come back. Like a couple things had to happen for
this to happen.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, but I still go back to the Raiders. I mean,
Tom Brady's known this kid for a long time.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
But and he.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Drafted a quarterback later on. So you can't go in
it and go, hey, where's our bargain in the draft?
If Tom so when you say, oh, you know this
is clusion, why did Tom Brady pass on him and
they drafted a quarterback late in the draft. That's what
(14:37):
I don't understand because Tom has been around Shador Sanders
and Dion had him mentor his son, and they bypassed
him a few times, I think, and I don't have
confirmation on this, but I'm trying to get this is
there were a couple of teams that just didn't view
(14:58):
him as a starter, but he did view him as
a quarterback in the NFL. And there's a big difference
in that because a lot of times you'll get the
quarterback in the first round, but you don't get the
quarterback until like the fourth or fifth round. Now, you know,
Jalen Hurts was a second round pick, but you know,
(15:18):
if you look back on some of these drafts, a
lot of times you don't get the second round, you know,
draft pick at that position because you're either good enough
to be in the first round or you're going to
be later on because you're a backup quarterback. Now, some
of these guys will take snaps as a starter this year.
I truly believe there could be three or four of
(15:40):
these quarterbacks who were taken later who will play this
year in the NFL. But that doesn't mean their first
round you know, talents, That doesn't mean there's a franchise quarterback,
a starting quarterback. And I think that's what happened with
Shador Sanders. He was a really good college quarterback. He
got by with doing some things that he needed to
(16:02):
really clean up on. And these are things that I
told you about with arm strength, line of scrimmage, speeding
things up, you know, being you know, having that clock
in your head being And this is what is told
to me by two scouts and helped out by having
Travis Hunter as well, held onto the ball too long,
didn't take blame when things went bad. But then I
(16:25):
had one scout who said to me last night his
teammates loved him, loved him. They like they his energy,
everything about it. And I'm like, like, there's there's just
such a fractured, mixed message here. That's what I'm still
trying to figure this out. But I do think, as
I talked to a source last night, he just not
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viewed as his starting quarterback. A franchise quarterback was the word.
But that's why he drifted because he's a backup quarterback
and some people's eyes and I think, yeah, Cleveland going
back in to get him, that felt like that was
an owner doing Dianna solid there and his son. It
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really felt that way, whether that's true or not. And
I think Cleveland was the right place for him. I
really do. I think Shador Sanders will eventually be the
starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Now.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I don't know if he's great, but I still think
that situation. And they owe forty six million dollars to
Deshaun Watson this year and next year. Congratulations. All right,
let me take a break. Getting long winded here. Let's
see pole question. Have that for you coming up?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Yes, Pom, I just keep thinking about the Browns watching
Baker Mayfield throw for forty touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, all right, we'll take a break. We're back after this.
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Speaker 2 (18:57):
Play of the Day coming up age seven three DP show.
You want to dial this up? Settle on a poll
question here. Albert Brier, the Monday Morning Quarterback had some
great intel on Shador Sanders, and he said in his column,
let's just have an honest conversation about Shador Sanders. But
I still lean on, did you have somebody who was
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playing the bad guy here who was going to tell
you what the truth was or is? Because there are
a lot of you know now, the stories come out,
and I'm curious why the stories came out when you
had reporters, analysts, this is what they do. Like this information,
(19:39):
I'm surprised didn't surface before that. Now you would get
like a bad interview here, okay, and then all of
a sudden you got he went to the shrine Bowl
and didn't want to do anything. I wasn't cooperative, you know. Now,
this is just people reporting this. I don't have any
other information on that, so I'm taking their word on this.
(20:02):
But I still go back to how many quarterbacks have
been taken in the second round in the last ten years, PAULI.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
It's pretty uncommon. They usually go first or way down, fourth, fifth, sixth,
Will Levis twenty twenty three, Kyle Trast twenty twenty one,
Jalen Hurts Jalen Hurts twenty twenty, Drew Locke twenty nineteen,
Deshaun Kaiser Wow twenty seventeen, in back, Christian Hackenberg twenty sixteen,
(20:34):
and Derek Carr Jimmy Garoppolo twenty fourteen. That's the past
ten years.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, and this goes back to what my source told
me yesterday. We look at a first round grade and
there's a big drop from first round grade down to
a third or fourth round grade. I mean, that's that's
the reality of this. They have first round grades and
then all of a sudden they have other needs for
that second and third round and then fourth round, fifth round.
(21:00):
If you're there or sixth, then maybe they go after you,
but they're gonna view you differently, and you're gonna be
viewed as a backup quarterback as opposed to a franchise quarterback.
Jackson Dart is viewed as a starter for the Giants.
Cam Ward will start from day one. But they didn't
have other grades, first round grades. And I think that's
(21:25):
why Shoulder fell because he wasn't a second round and
you know, it wasn't third round because they're you know,
if you're a second round pick, now, all of a sudden,
you've got a little bit more cachet when you walk
into that locker room. When you're in the fourth or
fifth or sixth round, it's different. You're you're just thrilled
(21:45):
to be on a team, thrilled to be on a roster.
And I think that's what Shador was fitting into that window.
It was first round, Nope, it was going to be
a little bit further than that.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah, I just did the math on it, and it's
about eight quarterbacks taken a round two over the past decade,
you know, twenty quarterbacks taking around four and five.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yeah, but that's what you're looking you know, when you
get a quarterback there, you're you're maybe it's a pleasant
surprise where you go, hey, you know you might you
might start, might start here, Hey, going to make the roster,
or And that's where you're looking for a different kind
of personality, like who are you? Are you Bailey Zappy
(22:29):
and you're going to be good in the quarterback room,
Joe Milton, Like, you're looking for guys who they may start,
but how are they going to be in the quarterback room?
And maybe that scared some teams with Shador because you're
bringing in more than just a quarterback taking one hundred
and forty fourth who in his mind is probably going, hey,
(22:50):
I'm first round, I'm better than cam Ward. I'm sure
he has that that kind of feeling consensus, I'm the
best quarterback in the draft. I mean, I'm sure Jackson
Dart feels that way and cam Ward and Tyler shut
I mean, but that's the mindset you have to have,
but you need to have somebody who deals in reality.
(23:13):
And that's the point that I think wasn't made. Would
an agent have been honest with Shador and Dion and said,
I'm not hearing great things. Because if Dion calls one
of the antlers, I mean, he used to work for
the NFL network. He knows all of these guys. If
he said, hey, what's going on, is somebody going to go, man,
I'm hearing some bad things. You know, it didn't go
(23:37):
well with the Giants or the Shrine. I don't know
if somebody is gonna be honest with you because you're Dion,
and Dion's telling everybody his son's a first round talent.
They may go top five.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Yes, Ton, And if you did have an agent with
you who was honest and you're doing with egos, a
father and son what have you, maybe they're like, well,
if you don't believe in my son, will just get
another agent.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
I'm not going to listen to that.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
We're gonna go with someone that's on board with a
team prime that thinks he is going to go far
and go high in the draft.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
All right, we have a poll question seating for hour one.
What are you thinking about?
Speaker 8 (24:12):
Well, we got a couple of options here for you.
This one not anything NFL Draft related, But if the
Miami Heat didn't quit last night, what did they do?
So your options there? They could be let's see, Pauli's
been all over this one. They realized it was over.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Okay, But you don't want to say an athlete, a
professional athlete quit, right.
Speaker 8 (24:40):
They didn't quit last night? But did they just except
that they couldn't win? We're not gonna win. We can't win.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I think I need to come up with another phrase
where I don't accuse somebody of quitting. Did they give
less than their all? Were they conserving their energy for
next season? Yes, Todd, you don't want.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
To get hurt right before vacation either.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
You give me it drew down fifty three and then
you'll pull a ham And now like you had plans
to go on a boat somewhere, now you're on crutches
during your off time because you were trying odd down forty.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
That's fair.
Speaker 8 (25:14):
This might be less of a poll question and more
of something we take suggestions for. If the Miami Heat
didn't quit last night, what.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Did they do? I would say nothing.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
They didn't quit, they didn't give up. They just did nothing.
They just didn't try. They didn't give it. They're all
they didn't give one hundred and ten. This is where
you can say, you know, you didn't give one hundred
and ten percent. You gave I don't know, like forty
one percent. But you lose one thirty eight to eighty three.
(25:47):
You lose my fifty five.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
That's not good. That's not good. That's embarrassing. You can't
do that in the playoffs. And you know the Cavs
score points. They're going to get a hundred twenty. But
you know there was a while remember first team to
ninety ninety points and you'd win an NBA game. Now
you can get about twenty. That doesn't mean you're going
(26:11):
to win any other poll questions for hour one, Yeah,
we actually got a bunch here from the to dub
oh if you're interested in those. Yeah, sure, would you
want Draymond Green on your team right now?
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (26:22):
Or no?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Okay right now? But for how much longer? Right now?
Just that's it. This all you're getting is this playoffs
right now? Yeah? Yes?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
This hyeah?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Well, Steve Kerr had some great praise for Draymond Green.
He had this to say, when a team.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
In the game on the line decides to post up
Draymond and you're watching it, like, how on the scale
of one to.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
One hundred, how good do you feel about.
Speaker 9 (26:59):
Your chances in that one being great or one hundred
being great, one hundred being great, one hundreds, I feel
like one hundred.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (27:06):
I mean, he's the best defender I've ever seen my life,
and he rises to the occasion.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
You know, on top of being a great defender, he's.
Speaker 9 (27:17):
An incredible competitor. And so anytime and we've seen it,
I've seen it for eleven years, came on the line,
Draymond making a stop. It's like having Steph Curry take
the shot.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Okay, you're going to back your guy. Steve's been around
a lot of great defenders. Now I would say, Steve,
you're saying Draymond is a better defender than Michael Jordan.
Are you saying he's better than Scottie Pippen? And then
he would have to modify his answer because those guys
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were two of the greatest who have ever played defense.
I mean, Draymond's a nuisance. Draymond learned from the Dennis
Rodman playbook, when Dennis with the Bulls and what he
did to Karl Malone when they would face them, or
Sean Kemp get into your head. I mean, all of
these guys are kind of taking what Rodman did. And
Rodman was one of the smartest basketball players I've ever
(28:13):
been around and really never gotten credit for that. And
Draymond is a really basketball IQ is very high. Would
I want him on my team? Yes, I'd have to
know how many technicals he had during the regular season,
and I'd like to know who is going to be
the lifeguard here babysitting him, because I don't think he
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listens like he does stupid things. And you can see
how Steph Curry reacts like come on, like what are
we doing? Why are we doing this? But that's he's
came in that way, he'll go out that way. Do
I think he's one of the great defenders of all time? Yeah?
I guess yeah, But I'm talking about there's a difference
(28:57):
in being a great defender like Rudy Gobert. I always
bring up and most overrated player in the history of
the game, but they'd say, oh, rim protector. Well, then
I'd watch him against Joker, and I go, no, no, no, no, no.
He should be competitive when he's going against Giannis and
some of these guys, and they probably look at him
(29:19):
like are you kidding me? But you know, we get
caught up in on ball defender like that to me
is defense. It's me against you, not help defense. Ben Wallace,
one of the great defenders, help wise, not on ball
going went into the Hall of Fame Defensive Player of
the Year a few times. Give me the guy who
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I got him, like Gary Payton was I got that
guy right there. That to me is a defender, the
guy who helped defense. Okay, that usually means you don't
have a guy who's that good that you're sloughing off of.
And you can cheat a little bit here. But if
Jordan wanted to the best defender in the game, and
(30:03):
let's take out Bill Russell. But I'm talking about modern basketball,
Mike or Scotty could have been the best defensive player
in the game in the history of the game because
they could guard everybody, especially Pippin. I thought Pippen was
a better all around defender than Mike because he's gonna
guard anybody and he's going to block your shot, he's
gonna have steals. Remember when he picked up Mark Jackson
(30:25):
full court when they faced him in the playoffs. I
felt bad for Mark because you know, he looked like
ice Cube out there on the on the floor against Scotti.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yeah, pauling Draymond Green got twelve technical fouls this season.
He said before the year started his goal is to
have ten under ten because he's been over ten for
eleven straight year. Isn't he though? A guy like him
a necessity to winning teams. You have to have one
guy who will do the things, the picks, the flair knees,
the diving and frustrating other players. He's an I think
(30:59):
he's an necessity to a great team.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yes, I mean he's not the best player, although like
he's the best passer on the team, and he rebounds
and he does all the intangibles. I like that. I
just wish he wouldn't you be silly out there? And
when when the Celtics played the Warriors, and I remember
coming in after one of those games and I said,
somebody's got to just tell him you can act silly.
(31:24):
Jason Tatum is laughing at you. Now. It just played basketball,
and he did and they ended up winning, But I
think sometimes you get caught up and this is how
I'm supposed to play. And he's going to be a
Hall of Famer. Though, is he the best defender that
Steve's ever seen? I don't think so, but back your guy, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
But as an on ball defender, Frey mind is the
best in this era. I don't know about any any
other heirs this era. On ball defender, moving your feet,
great hands, greatest wiping the ball, a great post defender
for being some for someone at six to six.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Do you think that he is a better defender than
Scottie Pippen? No, do you think he's better than Mike? Boy,
you didn't see Mike, then if you pause, you didn't
see Mike. But if Mike wanted to lock you down,
Mike would, like I'm telling you he would, he would
lock you down.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Because maybe I'm looking at last three peate Mike, maybe
holding a last three peat Mike, Because like you said,
I think the greatest player I've ever seen is Michael
Jordan before the rings. Michael Jordan before the rings. Ice
Cube said it best freaking brothers every way like mj.
However you wanted it Mike was gonna give it to you.
(32:46):
On defense, He's gonna block all the shots. He's gonna
make all he he averaged thirty seven points a game
and one Defensive Player of the Year in the same season. Yeah,
so you're right, You're right. I'm gonna concede to Michael.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Jordan if Mike, if Mike wanted it, Mike would get it.
He just would. But I think that Scotty. Scotty was
a better defender all around than Mike. And and if
you go, I can guard one through five. There aren't
many guys who can do one through five. I mean,
Gary Payton was great. He'd not garden one through five.
He might get one and two, but that's it. But
(33:20):
being you know, okay, I think the consensus is Draymond
Green one of the great defenders of all time. We
can agree. Yeah, we can agree on that. And he's
gonna go into the Hall of Fame. All right, let
me take a break. When we come back, we're gonna
have a quick NFL game. What is the quick NFL
game We're going to play? Paul? Oh wow? Okay. Play
(33:43):
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Speaker 3 (35:00):
Dan, here's the NFL game, Marvin. You have custom music
just for today. If you had a better week's pay,
which NFL team will not win? A playoff game in
the next three years. Win a playoff game. I wanted
to go and make the playoffs, but I thought a
lot of teams can make the playoffs. Which team, well,
(35:21):
you bet would not win a playoff game. Who would
like to go first?
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Oh? Oh, okay.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
I think the Cleveland Browns are getting further, not closer.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
After this weekend.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
I've been thinking about them a lot. I think they're
going further than closer to this.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
I don't think that's break into programming. News there.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Well, I was not break into programming, but a lot
of people love what they did on draft Day. I
think they made a big mistake and then they made
it worse, not better.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Okay, Todd, what about your team that won't win a
playoff game.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
I'm having a tough time seeing the Arizona Cardinals winning
a playoff game in the next night.
Speaker 8 (35:58):
What about you, Seaton Man, Well, it's tough without the
the Browns on the board.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I'm going to say the Titans. I don't think they're close. Okay, Marvin, I'm.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Going to say the Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Wow, all right, that's a good choice there. I would
say the Browns just because they're the Browns. You know,
you factor in the division that you're in that makes
it tough for them. If you're the Colts, you might
be able to win that division. Or Tennessee could win
that division. I mean the Colts. I thought the Colts
(36:35):
were going to be a ten win team. They won eight.
You know, would that have put them in the playoffs
with the ten wins? And they may eventually get it right,
but you know they're quarterbacking situations in a state of
flux right now.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Yes, Tom, I know he's made some strides, but Panthers
is bryce you down and the Panthers win a play.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
We're rooting for him? Yeah, we are. How about the Jets?
Aaron Glenn talking a good game, bringing his Dan Campbell
attitude there to the Jets. Okay, I mean you can
have that attitude, it's great, but I just go, all right,
(37:16):
who's your quarterback? Like that's where I start. Hey, your
coach talking tough man? Who's your quarterback?
Speaker 5 (37:23):
All right?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Justin fields?
Speaker 6 (37:24):
All right?
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Fine? Like I'm okay with that. The Bills aren't going
anywhere as far as they're going to be a mainstay
in there. Patriots will probably get better here sooner and
I don't know what's going on with the Dolphins. I
just I don't have high hopes for that situation. That's
your quick NFL game Dan in Salt Lake by Dan,
(37:48):
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 6 (37:51):
Good morning, Dan and crew. I messed up last Friday,
so I would like to say six to one is soft.
Two twenty and one. Question is the fact that Shador
Sanders filed eleven dollars in bankruptcy a character flaw as
(38:12):
far as the GM's around the league when it comes
to ability to confine yourself and be structured. If you
would answered, I'll take it off here. Thank you for
your time.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah, I don't know enough about it. I mean I
saw the report. I don't I didn't do a deep
dive on him. I know that with Nil made a
lot of money. He drove a maybox I believe gave
his dat a gift as well, something expensive.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Yeah, Paulin, Yeah, that story is not about Shador Sanders,
is about his brother, Shiloh, So that's fact.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah, once again, I didn't know anything about it. Let's see,
how about.
Speaker 8 (38:52):
While defiling bankruptcy? Though it made you not good enough
to be a quarterback, but pretty much do any other
line of work, Brandon, you'd be the leader of the
free world and file bankruptcy a gajillion times, But you
can't play quarterback for an NFL team. That seems unlikely.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Brandon in Wisconsin joining us, Hi Brandon.
Speaker 11 (39:12):
Hey, Dan six three five. So you were talking about
Shador Sanders and being a fifth rone pick and just
being like he could be happy to be on the
team as loaded as the I shouldn't say loaded, but
as full as the Cleveland Brown's quarterback room is. If
he has a real bad summer and a bad camp,
(39:33):
is there a chance that he doesn't make the team
at all?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Sure? Yeah, but I think for everybody, like not many
teams go into training camp and go everybody could be released,
like Canny Pickett. Does Joe Flacco even play this year?
I think the odds are right now that Kenny Pickett
(39:56):
will be the starter for the Cleveland Browns. But Dylan Gabriel,
I don't know Shador. I think Shador will end up
getting a start this year. It's about as far as
I can go with it. Uh Jack and Michigan, Hi,
Jack Morning, Dan Morning.
Speaker 12 (40:17):
I love hearing the draft every year because of all
the cliches, and the one that I heard numerous times
this year was about defensive linemen with a high ceiling
because they have heavy hands and violent hands. And I'm
wondering if Marvin has a low pickleball ceiling because he
(40:38):
has light hands and peaceful hands.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Okay, do you have peaceful hands, Marvin.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
But just because my hands are small doesn't mean they're
not violent. Whoa, Aaron Donald, meet your hart. Look at
that move on? No one can see it on radio
what I'm doing right now.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Holding down?
Speaker 5 (41:01):
Sorry?
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Sorry, Yeah, that's violent. Those are heavy hands.
Speaker 5 (41:05):
You couldn't see him.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
But oh yeah, I love those cliches. It's like they
lock onto one or two and then everybody's using it
that year. Yeah, pa, oily Hips was twenty eighteen. That's
that was Mike Mayon, he gave us oily Hips.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
Loved that one.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Yeah, uh, that reminded me that time in the club
in Atlanta.
Speaker 6 (41:32):
Do tell.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
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