June 11, 2025 • 41 mins
Dan details the knicks current search for a new head coach after firing Tom Thibodeau. He previews tonight’s Game 3 of the NBA Finals and the increased expectations for Pacers’ star Tyrese Haliburton. And NBA Commissioner Adam Silver joins the show.
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Play of the Day, poll question stat of the Day,
all of that forthcoming. The New York Knicks are still
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looking for their head coach, as they have whiffed on
the Rockets head coach m a Udoka and Chad Finch
the Timberwolves head coach, and perhaps Jason Kidd the MAVs
head coach. Brian Windhorst a couple of days ago said
that there was mutual interest on the Knick side and
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Jason Kidd's side, but I don't think from what I'm reading,
the MAVs are going to give him permission to talk
to the Knicks, which does lead to kind of an
awkward situation if you know, Jason Kidd is interested in
the Knicks, but you don't want to let him go
to the Knicks, but then he's still going to be
your head coach. And I'm still surprised that Jason Kidd
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would be interested in going to the Knicks when you
can have a great, you know, perhaps a franchise player
in Cooper Flag coming to your team and what that
could mean for the future here instead of going to
the Knicks, unless you go to the Knicks and you're
going to get the Greek freak, if that was going
to happen, then I understand why you would be interested
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in that. It's not like he has some great history
or relationship with the Knicks. He played there for a
little while, that's it. But I was surprised that according
to Brian Winhorst, there was mutual interest. But the latest
report is that the Dallas Mavericks are probably going to
deny the Knicks the opportunity to talk to him, which
goes back to what I said when you fired Tom Thibodeau,
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you don't fire him unless you got somebody that you
know is going to be an upgrade here, and I
don't know if you're going to find that a guy
who gave you a winning culture. Yes, are there flaws
that go along with this coaching style. Yes, there's flaws
that go along with most coaches with their coaching style.
How long can this style last before you start to
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wear out? You're welcome, you know, Laker players talked about
pat Riley like they knew that there was a window
and then after that they were going to get tired
of pat Riley. They were going to tune him out.
And you'll see this with coaches. It's hard to last
for ten years in one place. Now, granted, the players
are interchangeable, so your message can still be the same.
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But this is why you have a lot of college
coaches that they loved being at the same place for fifteen,
twenty twenty five years because the players all changed and
you were still the focal point of the organization. But
the Knicks still looking for their head coach, and looks
like the Dallas Mavericks are going to say no to that.
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Here's another thing that you know, when you've kind of
graduated to a certain level, maybe stardom, when we start
to critique you. Tyrese Haliburton is getting critiqued now, whereas
during the regular season, nobody probably said a word about
his game outside of Indianapolis. So he's in the finals
and now everybody has an opinion. Now all of a sudden,
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He's gotten to the point where we go, okay, let's
see what you can do. Game three didn't look good.
In games one and two. Hit a big shot in one,
but two, all right, got to be more aggressive. Here.
There's players that you all of a sudden have expectations for,
and Tyree's Halliburton has gotten to that point. There are
expectations for him in the NBA Finals. I don't know
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if anybody has had a run quite like him in
the last twenty five thirty years when it comes to
postseason basketball and elevating your status. Now, all of a sudden,
we're going as Tyre's Halliburton a top ten player. Nobody
would have said that if you talked about the Pacers
in December or January, be like Tyree's Halliburton. What position
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does he play? Can he shoot? Where's he from? Now,
all of a sudden, you've go graduated. Now it's like, well,
the guy at Iowa stated, all the guy used to
play for Sacramento. All the guy who's hitting all the
big shots. Now, all of a sudden we treat him differently.
You got to be a star, but you didn't even
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make the All Star team. Now the two previous years
he did, but he didn't make it this year. And
he's kind of been that all right, He's interesting.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Now.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
He's not a guy that I go, I'm going to
plug him in for twenty five tonight. But he might
give me seventeen and twelve and hit the game winning shot.
But here's the thunder and they're coming and they're favored
by five in Indiana. What tells you a whole lot
about what the odds makers think about this series. OKC
is coming to town and they plan on leaving with
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a few victories here. They plan on leaving with the championship.
Yeah there, it's like, all right, you got one win. Now,
we got to take care of business here, all right,
Seaton poll question. The commissioner will join us in about
fifteen minutes from now. What do we have first?
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Don here's one from Marvin the front office that has
the worst reputation in the NFL. WHOA Browns, Jets, Bengals,
Bears other Okay, okay, any thoughts on any of those teams. Wow,
Bengals certainly seemed to be getting put through the ringer
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right now with some of their contract negotiations. The Browns
have fifteen quarterbacks on the roster.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
The Jets are a disaster. Bears traditionally are terrible. However,
there is some optimism there. Yes, they're trending forward.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yes, got a head coach that is respected, should work
in unison with Caleb. They got some toys there for
him to play with, and I would say that there
is a positive outlook. The Bengals are being the Bengals
they're cheap, will play some sound from their first round
draft pick who is not happy with what the Bengals
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are doing. You can spend all that money on offense,
and Joe Burrow wanted his receivers paid. You're not going
to the playoffs if you're not playing any defense, You're
just you're not. And that's the surprising part of it.
Although the expectation level for the Bengals this year is
around ten wins, which is surprising. The Cleveland Browns are
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a mess. I would say the Jets minette starts with
ownership that's been a mess. And you can change coaches,
you can change players gms, you still have the same ownership.
And that's where it starts because when you say, oh
that team that's a mess, Okay, bring in another head
coach or another starting quarterback or whatever it might be,
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you still have ownership there, and ownership that stays out
of the day to day that's when you can have success.
It's when they meddle and they think they're the smartest people.
That's where it's really dangerous. Where all of a sudden,
the owner of the Cleveland Browns, Jimmy Haslim, goes, you
know what, we're gonna do We're gonna do this, and
be like, no, we don't want to draft Johnny Manziel.
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We're drafting him. Okay, you get that impulsive owner who
wants to all of a sudden go yeah, I own
the team. Watch this, I'm gonna make this move. I'm
going to sign this player. The Bengals are cheap. They
do have, you know, a great quarterback. They got really
good wide receivers. They paid them. But they're on the
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cheap with Tray Hendrickson, who, by the way, is the
sac leader the last two years, so I would think
that you would want to sign him up. They just
don't want him to get that money that Miles Garrett
and Michael Parsons, TJ. Watts going to get and he
shouldn't get that money. But should he be in there
with Max Crosby? Well probably so who is the other one?
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So you got the Jets, you got the Browns. Take
the Bears out of it.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Let's not forget the Bear's history.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
They have had one really good offseason where they spent
on Ben Johnson, but historically they've never done stuff like this.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
It's almost like a pause, like, hey, good for.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Them, but that starts with ownership too. Yeah, just look
at ownership. That'll tell you everything about a franchise. How
solid is that ownership? Stable, not involved, not in front
of the camera constantly.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
Yeah, Pauling, I hate to do this because you know
I'm anti Cowboys. For clicks, I would absolutely put the
Cowboys on this poll question because, as you described, an
owner who thinks he knows more about football than football
experts is what the Cowboys have been doing for thirty
five years and it's not working out.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Jerry Jones knows how to make money, sure, he doesn't
necessarily know how to run a football team successfully. And
if you don't have a GM and all of a
sudden you're the GM and the owner. The owner would
have fired a GM who did the moves that Jerry made,
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because that if Jerry ever came on the show, you know,
I would ask him, would you have fired you as
the GM? Because if you look at not making the playoffs,
or you make the playoffs, or you haven't been to
a conference final, the last time you won a Super Bowl,
you know all of those things. So I would say
Jerry is great at making money. Yeah, I do not
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like the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I actively root against them, and I take great pleasure
in watching them not win. There's a butt coming up.
But to compare them to the Browns is too far, fair,
too far. That is, I love watching the Cowboys lose
almost as much as I like watching the teams.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I like win.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Every Cowboys loss feels like a win to me. But
to say that they should belong on this list with
the Browns and the Jets and even the Bears, frankly
is that's not right.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
But who has had more expectations attached to them?
Speaker 4 (11:02):
But if you have expectations, that means you're doing something right. No,
that just then you're just being disappointing.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
That just means that the networks focus on the Cowboys
because of the fan base there. It's not because it's warranted.
Nobody's received more attention probably in the history of the
NFL for the lack of success than the Cowboys have.
But they have an incredible fan base and a fan
base that still believes every single year this might be
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the year. I just think Jerry is great at he's
great at branding, he's great at, you know, continuing to
have them constantly being discussed. He likes the any good news,
is any any news is good news? Like he probably
subscribes to that. Now. Have they had far more success
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than the Cleveland Browns. Absolutely, But we're looking at dysfunction
on different levels there, Like the Jets. I mean, it's
gotten to the point where you just go, I feel
sorry for them, and the Cleveland Browns with Jimmy Haslam,
the Bears another cheap organization, the Bengals a cheap organization.
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These are things that are systemic and the Bengals shouldn't
be thinking about, you know, are we gonna get my
my first round draft pick?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Here?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Are we going to get the guy who's the sack leader? Now?
It should be exciting. Now, this should be the time
where you go, We're looking pretty good here, Yeah, Pauling.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
I would say though, that the Browns have made some
horrible picks and moves personnel wise over the past fifteen years,
and they're way too risky Manziel.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
You could see it.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
It was way too risky. Deshaun Watson had so much
baggage off the field. There was nothing you're bidding against
to get him. There was way too much downside with
DeShawn and with a franchise like that, that has a
super loyal fan base, makes safe decisions.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
But they had to make an unsafe decision because of
the organization. They had to give to Shaun Watson a
deal he couldn't refuse. He didn't want to go.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
It's like you said, they made their own bed. You're
a bad franchise, so they'd overpay him.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yes, that's how they got to the point to make
a risky decision is because they've made other bad decisions.
You know, DraftKings has the team that will have the
fewest wins. It's the Browns. Then it's the Saints, Giants,
the Jets, the Titans, Raiders, and Panthers are tied after that.
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But it's the Browns and Saints right now in the
clubhouse for the fewest wins. And I do think that
will lead to something very If I'm a Saints organization,
at what point is their organizational tanking here? Maybe you
don't put the best people on the field because if
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you happen to end up with the number one pick
in the draft, now you make you make it a
little bit tougher for arch Manning to go. I'll go
back to Texas instead of going to my hometown team
with the Saints. I can quarterback the team that Archie Manning,
who I'm named after, quarterback. But I wonder about that
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with the Saints. Do you get to the point where
you go and they've got some talent, but they're talking
about trading some players, maybe getting to that point where
oh woe is me? I don't think anybody's going to
be sad. They can wear the eights paper bags if
they know they're getting arch man Like all go through
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another bad season where we win three games. I think
the over under for the Browns is four and a half.
I think the Steelers right now is eight and a half.
We'll hear from Aaron Rodgers coming up as well, but
we'll settle on a poll question. We'll take a break
the NBA Commissioner Adam Silver in the on deck circle.
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Speaker 2 (16:09):
We will speak to the Commissioner of the NBA, Adam Silver,
coming up momentarily. Tom Thibodeau took out a full page
ad in the New York Times, and he was thanking
the New York Knicks. He starts it out by saying,
to the best city in the world, with the best
fans in the world, thank you. When I was hired
in twenty twenty, I said this was my dream job.
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Ungrateful that that dream became a reality. Thank you to
our players, coaching staff who gave everything they had, and
to everyone who makes this franchise special. I'm proud of
everything we accomplished together, including four playoff appearances and this
year's run to the Eastern Conference Finals, our first in
twenty five years. And the fans. Thank you for believing
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in me and embracing me from day one, watching your
support and you supporting our team and seeing the gardens
the garden night with that incomparable Nick's energy is something
I will never forget with gratitude and respect. Tom Thibodeau, Yes, Tod,
what is the goal or goals here?
Speaker 3 (17:11):
For Tom Thibodeau putting that out there in your.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Opinion, I think it's just a nice period at the
end of a paragraph that you had a good time there,
rewarding time there, memorable time there, got the opportunity you
took him to the Eastern Conference Finals. You walk out
with well a lot of money, but your head held
high that you did a great job for a team
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that was desperate for a winning attitude. There, Yeah, Paul,
would it.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Be great at the end if you put ps the
Knicks paid for this ad?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I do what to ask though, Well, they did pay
for the ad because they're spending thirty million dollars.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Yes, he's done it twenty nine to nine.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Now after the ad, Is there any chance he posted
this to combat his image that's being portrayed as a
overly tough guy. It seems like his image is being
a little sullied on the way out.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Well, this doesn't change my opinion of the way he
rotated his players.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Yeah, more so, like he's not a player's coach.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
He's a bit too abrasive and play.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I think he's a tough guy, demanding guy. So I'm
you know, maybe I don't know what you know if
there was an ulterior motive here. By the way, Sham
says the Knicks have not requested permission for the Mavericks
coach Jason Kidd as of Tuesday night, but sources tell
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ESPN the Mavericks would reject them to bringing the commissioner
of the NBA, Adam Silver back on the program or
is he ready to do a couple? Okay, so the
Knicks have not requested permission for Jason Kidd, but you know,
Brian Winhor said there's mutual interest or there was mutual interest,
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So I don't know how that works between the Knicks
are interested in Jason Kidd. He might be interested in them,
but the Mavericks aren't interested in letting him be more
interested in the New York Knicks, if that makes sense here?
All right, what a pole question we're going to settle
on is what they're seedon?
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Yeah, I do think just back to that topic quickly.
That Tom Thibodeau sort of taking the high road publicly,
isn't isn't a bad look and sort of like a
and just a reminder they asked me to leave. I
didn't want to. Good luck, see you around Eastern Conference finals.
Sure was fun, see you guys later.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
And it's almost as if they overachieved because the Celtics
injuries with Tatum, the Cavaliers' injuries, and you know, you
got further and further, and then it probably became tougher
and tougher for you to go. How do we validate
firing this guy. I think they probably had this decision
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made before the playoffs started, and they probably played too well.
But Tom Thibodeau with a New York Times farewell, let's
bring in the commissioner, Adam Silver, joining us on the program.
Do you have business cards?
Speaker 6 (20:08):
Me?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah, hold on, wait.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
What should say?
Speaker 8 (20:17):
It says National Basketball Association Adam Silver, commissioner the whole
phone numbers and an address.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Okay, how often do you hand those outs?
Speaker 3 (20:26):
You know?
Speaker 8 (20:26):
It's so funny When I give them to younger people,
they go like this. But our generation still likes business cards,
so I still carry them or I got a I
had about a thousand printed, I think when I became commissioner,
so I'm going to use them up.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
You should just hand them out, autograph them. You know,
collectors items are impressed.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
You gotta be impressed. I had them in my pocket.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
That's impressed. Rehearsed this, I know that's impressive. You were
at the University of Chicago, what late eighties?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Okay, do you remember your first Jordan Bulls game when
you were in school?
Speaker 8 (21:01):
I do, because so I got to I went to
law school at University of Chicago. I got there in
nineteen eighty five, and at that time, we could just
go down to the I mean you just bought tickets
at you know, literally at the ticket window at game time.
I mean, you know, I had gone to Duke, so
I knew Michael from North Carolina. I mean not it
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wasn't secret, but they weren't selling out all the games
back then. I mean it was you know, people forget
it. It was several years before he won his first championship.
I mean, he was great, but it wasn't the Michael
Jordan that he turned into.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
When do you remember when it was more than just
a basketball game?
Speaker 8 (21:40):
Not WHI I was, well, I remember there was an
All Star game in Chicago, so it would have been
I don't know, it was like eighty seven or something.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I remember that. What was the year when he went
to stay eighty eighty? Yeah, okay, So that.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
You know, I think that transformed I think him into
this global icon in a way. I just think that
that iconic shot I can picture of him flying through
the air. I remember, you know, I did not have
great seats, but I remember I was in the arena
when he did that, and I just remember that that
was transformational.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I think, how involved were you with NBC bringing in
Michael Jordan, Not at all.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
You mean just now they're just this announcement they're bringing
him back now. I mean they told me they were
going to try and I said, good luck. I didn't
honestly didn't think he was going to do it.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
You know.
Speaker 8 (22:29):
It took us, as you know, decades to convince him
to do the documentary, you know, the Last Dance, which
came out during the pandemic and ended up still I
think it's one of them, you know, widely viewed on Netflix.
But he didn't you know, he didn't want to do
that for a long time. We had the footage, and
I know there were other inquiries over the years, and
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I think he, for whatever reason, he was ready to
do it.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Now. I think he.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
Has, of course, incredibly fond memories of NBC. I don't
think that's lost on anyone he has. You know, as
you well know, some of the very same people are there,
people like John Miller, who he had a relationship from
back all those years ago. You know, Mark Lazarus was
still you know, they are just switched over to the
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other side of the operation. But you know, so I
think like he had those relationships and again I didn't
discourage them, but I was surprised he said, yes.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, still trying to figure out what his role is
going to be. Now do you follow up? Do you
want Are you curious about what role Jordan is going
to play with the upcoming camp?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (23:36):
No, I I you know, well, I you know, I
didn't know in advance, but that you know, they told
me what their idea was for him in that role,
and I think that they're still working through that. I
think that, you know, I spoke to Michael about it.
I mean, he's he's excited about it. I think for him,
it means he's got to stay current with the game.
Obviously he's he's a small owner still in Charlotte, but
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he he's so passionate about it. I mean we talked
about it all the time. I mean, he you know,
he wants the game to be played the right way.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
He he you.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
Know, he's still got a huge business around the game
with the Jordan brand. But I think more importantly, he
watches a lot of basketball and and you know, he
knows it's it's what defines him still and so I
think fans are going to enjoy hearing his his take, you.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Know, on on the modern League.
Speaker 8 (24:27):
I think one of the things that I'm excited about
in terms of NBC coming back, and this goes back
to the Dick Eversol days, you know, is that I
remember that sign behind Dick's desk that said storytelling. I mean,
I think there's still some of the best edit you know,
and I think telling stories around the game, I mean
even right now. I mean that's sort of this narrative
out there about small markets whatever else. I mean, you know,
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incredible stories around Shay and you know in Tyres and
Pascal Siakam. I mean, I my job too. You know,
we first met when I was at NBA Entertainment. But
to tell those stories to fans, I think that's what
draws them in. I mean, there's the lovers of pure basketball,
and I think the basketball is fantastic, but you also
have to show how multi dimensional lease players are and
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you know, explain to them the storylines, the conflict on
the floor. And nobody does that better than NBC.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
You talked about Michael staying current. There are times when
Charles may not know who's even playing in a game
that he's watching. Now, it's funny to us, but you're
the commissioner and this is your lead broadcast team or
a studio show. How does that kind of settle with you?
When Charles may not even know who he's talking about, Well.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
That may be a little extreme.
Speaker 8 (25:46):
I mean, I'm down there a fair amount at their
studio Atlanta. I mean, he's watching the games. I mean
they made a decision to take an entertainment route with
that studio show. I mean, I think ESPN was always
about more hardcore basketball. Maybe NBC was somewhere in the
middle in the old days. But it's an entertainment show
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and he's entertaining and fans seem to love it.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
You know.
Speaker 8 (26:12):
Sometimes he's a bit of the crazy uncle, I think.
But even when he's I think there's a difference when
putting aside, you know, how focused he is on the game.
My sense always when Charles is critical, it is a
little bit like your uncle at the Thanksgiving table being critical.
It's like there's no doubt it comes from a place
of love.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
You know.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
I don't feel the same way about some of the
other commentators, and I think it's just it's you know,
Charles found a lane and he does it well, and
it'll be interesting to see how that converts. As you know,
they're now bringing that studio show to ESPN and ABC
next year. I think, you know, we'll see how that
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works out. I mean, I you know, I love the
fact that those guys are still going to be involved
in are teleg has. But you know, I'm not sure
whether it will be produced differently for them or they'll
be a different expectation from ESPN and ABC fans or
watchers that maybe what people are seeing late at night
on TNT.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
He's the commissioner of the NBA, Adam Silver. You know,
everybody gets caught up in ratings and I just say,
either watch it or not. You know, But the role
that social media plays on your priority list because this
is a global game and people may not watch the game,
but they're watching those clips. You know, you're you're getting
views there. But as the commissioner, you got to, you know,
(27:37):
pay homage to the networks. But where does social media
rank on your priority list?
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Social media is high in our priority list.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
I mean, first of all, we've had something like a
billion view so far globally on social media, since the
finals have started. But also to get back to your
ratings point, I think what gets lost sometimes is just
like social media is global, so are the tellcasts of
our games. And I understand people wanting to talk about
our domestic ratings and the extent that the ratings are down,
(28:10):
that's a storyline or they're up, there's a storyline. And
there is a correlation between market size more than I'm
happy about. You know, I was listening to Aaron Rodgers
yesterday and he was talking about now becoming a stealer
and we're saying, now, I've played for two of the
most story franchises, the Packers and Steelers. But nobody stopped
them to say, oh, those are small markets. And so
(28:31):
maybe I'm jealous in a way from the NFL that
that's never you know, Steelers and Packers, the storyline is,
it's unimaginable. It would be can you believe two small
markets they're meeting in the Super Bowl this year it's
two storied franchises. And in the NBA, I think because
there was so much outsize success of certain franchises over
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the first several decades of the league. I mean, the
statistic is roughly over the first sixty five years of
the league, three teams won sixty percent of the championships,
and so it's understandable that Laker Celtics Bowls still globally
have these huge followings because it gets almost passed on generationally.
And to make ourselves more like the NFL, I think
(29:12):
we're moving in that direction where we have a system
now where Oklahoma City and Indianapolis can compete in the
same way that larger markets can because of a cap
system and tax and all that stuff. So it's going
to take us a while to get there, but I
understand why ratings are part of the story. Now, the
(29:33):
last part I'll say about social media. I do think
something we're thinking a lot more about and getting more
sophisticated about, is how do you translate social media into
a desire to watch live games. I'll give you just
one example. I think we may even talked about it
last time. I was on Victor Webb. Yama was in
New York playing on Christmas and then played in Brooklyn
(29:55):
a few days later, so he was staying in New
York around that time. He's a chess player. He went
to Washington Square Park played chess in the rain for
forty five minutes. Within five days, one hundred million people
had viewed him playing chess, and it was just anecdotally.
Anyone I would ask, because it was also on a
lot of the morning shows. I said, you see Victory,
(30:16):
Oh yeah, that was the guy from France.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
He played.
Speaker 8 (30:18):
Now the question is seeing that he also plays chess,
and he's a by definition, you could say, a multi
dimensional guy. There's far more to him than ball playing.
He speaks multiple languages, even the fact that he's you know,
grew up outside of Paris, et cetera. How do we
as the league use that to bring people to the
set to watch live games? Because I would say, looking back,
(30:43):
we've gotten distracted at times and forgotten sort of or
I've forgotten that my core responsibility is to get more
people to be passionate about NBA basketball and watch our games.
That's what sustains our business. I mean, it's of course
ticket sales, but ticket sales are as high they've been
in the history of the league, and there's not a
lot more room to grow because our buildings are roughly
(31:04):
ninety five percent full. We have a global following, so
there's enormous opportunity both through social media, but where the
real value comes is from people watching live games. So
I think we can do a better job using social
media to bring people to the set to say, tonight
eight thirty ABC, you know, game three, tune in, and
(31:25):
to be more sophisticated about understanding is it would people
rather see more about Shay Gilgess, Alexander's background, growing up
in Canada, et cetera, what the things he loves or
do they want to see him, you know, working out
what aspects of him are going to cause people to
be more likely to be interested in watching the game tonight.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Why does the All Star Game have to be competitive?
Speaker 8 (31:51):
It's an interesting question because again I was just talking
about how jelosyam of aspects of the NFL. The Pro
Bowl at this point is flag football, and I think
that fans that seem to accept that it gets a
good rating, and nobody suggests that that's indicative of a
lack of desire or passion by NFL players for whatever reason.
(32:13):
In the case in the NBA, when we've tried other
things and thought, all right, we'll go more entertainment route
or whatever else, the reaction is, I can't believe your
players aren't giving their all for an All Star Game,
or at least maybe they don't expect them to play
like they would in the playoffs, but they're expecting a
competitive game.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
And so that's fair.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
Then we have to respond to that, and I haven't
been successful frankly in the last few years. We tried
some new things in San Francisco. I mean, part of
it was there was a format issue. There was a
huge stoppage of play in the final. You know, we
had this round robin where you know, there was a
celebration around Turner, which they deserve, but I think the game.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Lost to aults momentum.
Speaker 8 (32:53):
So something you've talked a lot about historically is this
USA World concept. And obviously so I watched what others
sports are doing. The NHL had great success with the
four nation faceoff. So we're looking now for next year.
We'll be in LA we'll be into a dome where
the Olympics are going to take place in twenty eight
and we're going to be on NBC. Back to NBC
(33:15):
for the All Star Game, and we're going to be
smack in the middle of winter Olympic coverage. So ever,
a time to move to USA World it's now. What
we're toying with now and working with Andrea Gudal at
the Players Association, is what's the right format because I
don't I think straight up USA World probably won't work
because although the number of international players is growing and
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is roughly thirty percent of our league right now, it
wouldn't be fair to pick the All Stars seventy percent
as one team thirty percent of the other. So I
think we're again playing off what the NHL did. Maybe
there's there's multiple teams, maybe there's more than one USA team,
but we can achieve that concept and I think create
a sense of nationalism around it and again feel like
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we belong sort of on the Sunday where it's otherwise
Olympic coverage. So I'm hopeful that we can create something
more competitive there.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Do you have your wish list of expansion like the
cities right now?
Speaker 3 (34:13):
There's cities we're thinking about.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
How many cities would you say are on that wish list?
Speaker 8 (34:18):
Well, let me begin by saying it it's not obvious
to me we should expand I think it's likely over
time we will. And the reason I say it's not
obvious is because as a global business you know, where
something like two billion people will connect with us on
social media, over a billion people over the course of
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the year, we'll watch some portion of the game. Adding
another US city, arguably, it's unclear how much growth will
get as a result of that. And when you're adding
expansion franchises, you're diluting their competition two more Let's say
we expand by two teams, two more teams that you
know are going to be competing for those same players,
(35:00):
and you're diluting your economics the extent we have locked
in television money now for the next decade, you have
two more partners. Having said that, I do believe certain
markets potentially can be additive to the NBA, and that's
what we're going to look at. And I think part
of it is geographic. It's a big country, you know,
making sure we're represented, you know, all around the country,
(35:20):
and then over time, maybe there's more we can do
in Canada and Mexico City is a city we've talked
about before. You know, I don't want to say specific
cities today, just because many have reached out to us
to say they're interested and I and our reaction so
far has been thank you for your interest. We haven't
taken any meetings with any cities. We have a board
(35:41):
meeting in Las Vegas around the Summer League in July.
I know we're going to be talking about it.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Then.
Speaker 8 (35:46):
I had been saying for the last several years, let
us get through collective bargaining, which we did, let us
figure out our new media relationships, which we have, and
that would be the time to consider it seriously.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
So that's what we're going to do this summer.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
But I'm retiring in three years, Commissioner, I'm retiring in
three years. Will we have expansion in three years?
Speaker 3 (36:06):
I'm honestly not sure.
Speaker 8 (36:07):
I okay, I whether if, even if we were to
announce we're engaged in a process, it's not clear to
me at what moment they would start playing. But look this,
I don't mean to tease people with this. This is
the summer we're gonna look at it seriously.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I thought you'd be a little more emotional about my retirement.
I mean, it's kind of bleue right past that.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
You're like Michael Jordan, you've retired before.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I'm not coming out. I'm not coming I'm not gonna
play baseball. Just gonna let you know I'm not gonna
let you, but hey, thanks for joining us. Have fun
tonight and thanks again. Yeah, thanks Dan, that's Adam Silver,
NBA commissioner. Not at least he'd give me a like a.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Like a courtesy.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Oh yeah, oh boy, man, we're gonna miss you. Don't
do it, Dan, Yeah, how can I keep you? Maybe
I could join the nb A Advisory Council. Well, he
tends to listen to some of my ideas.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
I don't think that's dumb.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
That's a pretty good comfiment.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
All right, let's take a break. Play of the day
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(39:19):
from Pro Football Talk will stop by as well, recapping
a couple of things that the commissioner said. First of all,
he was surprised that NBC was going to reach out
to Michael Jordan and even said, hey, good luck. I
met Adam Silver back in the late eighties and he
was at NBA Entertainment, and so I've known him over
(39:42):
forty years. But I remember that they had a crew
that followed Michael Jordan during the NBA Finals and really
followed him a lot more than that, and I kept wondering,
I never see that video. I never see the footage.
And then all of a sudden we realized they were
stockpiling all this and then still waiting for Jordan to
(40:03):
sign off and say all right, let's make a documentary.
And they finally did, and of course she got the
last dance. But Adam Silver was involved with that. With
NBA Entertainment, the All Star format, it doesn't sound like
it's cut and dried. It's going to be the United
States versus the world here because you don't have the
(40:25):
depth on the rosters with the World. But I'd still
like to have that starting five against the United States
starting five. He also brought up the TNT show inside
the NBA with Chuck and you know, Kenny, Chack and Ernie,
and I think saying, I hope it doesn't become nuts
(40:45):
and bolts.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Now.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
He didn't say he's concerned, but I think that there's
a I hope that they keep this the way it is, like,
this is entertainment. Now. The other commissioner, David Stern, might
have had a different view of Charles, maybe not knowing
everybody in the NBA.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
Yes, Marvin, it's a little difficult when you have a
segment called who he played for?
Speaker 2 (41:12):
But it's entertainment. It's awesome, it's entertainment. ESPN can do
the nuts and bolts. But I thought that that was
interesting and expansion because it feels like it's a foregone conclusion.
But what he's saying is, wait, we got broadcast partners,
you got teams. They already know how much money they're
going to make. Now you bring expansion in, what are
they paying to get in? And how are you divvying
(41:35):
up the piece of the pie there? And he brought
up Canada, and he brought up Mexico City, so it
didn't sound like a foregone conclusion of Seattle in Las Vegas.
One hour in the books already on this Wednesday. Two
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Play of the Day, poll question stat of the Day,
all of that forthcoming. The New York Knicks are still
(01:10):
looking for their head coach, as they have whiffed on
the Rockets head coach m a Udoka and Chad Finch
the Timberwolves head coach, and perhaps Jason Kidd the MAVs
head coach. Brian Windhorst a couple of days ago said
that there was mutual interest on the Knick side and
(01:31):
Jason Kidd's side, but I don't think from what I'm reading,
the MAVs are going to give him permission to talk
to the Knicks, which does lead to kind of an
awkward situation if you know, Jason Kidd is interested in
the Knicks, but you don't want to let him go
to the Knicks, but then he's still going to be
your head coach. And I'm still surprised that Jason Kidd
(01:54):
would be interested in going to the Knicks when you
can have a great, you know, perhaps a franchise player
in Cooper Flag coming to your team and what that
could mean for the future here instead of going to
the Knicks, unless you go to the Knicks and you're
going to get the Greek freak, if that was going
to happen, then I understand why you would be interested
(02:15):
in that. It's not like he has some great history
or relationship with the Knicks. He played there for a
little while, that's it. But I was surprised that according
to Brian Winhorst, there was mutual interest. But the latest
report is that the Dallas Mavericks are probably going to
deny the Knicks the opportunity to talk to him, which
goes back to what I said when you fired Tom Thibodeau,
(02:39):
you don't fire him unless you got somebody that you
know is going to be an upgrade here, and I
don't know if you're going to find that a guy
who gave you a winning culture. Yes, are there flaws
that go along with this coaching style. Yes, there's flaws
that go along with most coaches with their coaching style.
How long can this style last before you start to
(03:01):
wear out? You're welcome, you know, Laker players talked about
pat Riley like they knew that there was a window
and then after that they were going to get tired
of pat Riley. They were going to tune him out.
And you'll see this with coaches. It's hard to last
for ten years in one place. Now, granted, the players
are interchangeable, so your message can still be the same.
(03:22):
But this is why you have a lot of college
coaches that they loved being at the same place for fifteen,
twenty twenty five years because the players all changed and
you were still the focal point of the organization. But
the Knicks still looking for their head coach, and looks
like the Dallas Mavericks are going to say no to that.
(03:43):
Here's another thing that you know, when you've kind of
graduated to a certain level, maybe stardom, when we start
to critique you. Tyrese Haliburton is getting critiqued now, whereas
during the regular season, nobody probably said a word about
his game outside of Indianapolis. So he's in the finals
and now everybody has an opinion. Now all of a sudden,
(04:06):
He's gotten to the point where we go, okay, let's
see what you can do. Game three didn't look good.
In games one and two. Hit a big shot in one,
but two, all right, got to be more aggressive. Here.
There's players that you all of a sudden have expectations for,
and Tyree's Halliburton has gotten to that point. There are
expectations for him in the NBA Finals. I don't know
(04:30):
if anybody has had a run quite like him in
the last twenty five thirty years when it comes to
postseason basketball and elevating your status. Now, all of a sudden,
we're going as Tyre's Halliburton a top ten player. Nobody
would have said that if you talked about the Pacers
in December or January, be like Tyree's Halliburton. What position
(04:53):
does he play? Can he shoot? Where's he from? Now,
all of a sudden, you've go graduated. Now it's like, well,
the guy at Iowa stated, all the guy used to
play for Sacramento. All the guy who's hitting all the
big shots. Now, all of a sudden we treat him differently.
You got to be a star, but you didn't even
(05:13):
make the All Star team. Now the two previous years
he did, but he didn't make it this year. And
he's kind of been that all right, He's interesting.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Now.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
He's not a guy that I go, I'm going to
plug him in for twenty five tonight. But he might
give me seventeen and twelve and hit the game winning shot.
But here's the thunder and they're coming and they're favored
by five in Indiana. What tells you a whole lot
about what the odds makers think about this series. OKC
is coming to town and they plan on leaving with
(05:45):
a few victories here. They plan on leaving with the championship.
Yeah there, it's like, all right, you got one win. Now,
we got to take care of business here, all right,
Seaton poll question. The commissioner will join us in about
fifteen minutes from now. What do we have first?
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Don here's one from Marvin the front office that has
the worst reputation in the NFL. WHOA Browns, Jets, Bengals,
Bears other Okay, okay, any thoughts on any of those teams. Wow,
Bengals certainly seemed to be getting put through the ringer
(06:21):
right now with some of their contract negotiations. The Browns
have fifteen quarterbacks on the roster.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
The Jets are a disaster. Bears traditionally are terrible. However,
there is some optimism there. Yes, they're trending forward.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yes, got a head coach that is respected, should work
in unison with Caleb. They got some toys there for
him to play with, and I would say that there
is a positive outlook. The Bengals are being the Bengals
they're cheap, will play some sound from their first round
draft pick who is not happy with what the Bengals
(07:00):
are doing. You can spend all that money on offense,
and Joe Burrow wanted his receivers paid. You're not going
to the playoffs if you're not playing any defense, You're
just you're not. And that's the surprising part of it.
Although the expectation level for the Bengals this year is
around ten wins, which is surprising. The Cleveland Browns are
(07:24):
a mess. I would say the Jets minette starts with
ownership that's been a mess. And you can change coaches,
you can change players gms, you still have the same ownership.
And that's where it starts because when you say, oh
that team that's a mess, Okay, bring in another head
coach or another starting quarterback or whatever it might be,
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you still have ownership there, and ownership that stays out
of the day to day that's when you can have success.
It's when they meddle and they think they're the smartest people.
That's where it's really dangerous. Where all of a sudden,
the owner of the Cleveland Browns, Jimmy Haslim, goes, you
know what, we're gonna do We're gonna do this, and
be like, no, we don't want to draft Johnny Manziel.
(08:09):
We're drafting him. Okay, you get that impulsive owner who
wants to all of a sudden go yeah, I own
the team. Watch this, I'm gonna make this move. I'm
going to sign this player. The Bengals are cheap. They
do have, you know, a great quarterback. They got really
good wide receivers. They paid them. But they're on the
(08:33):
cheap with Tray Hendrickson, who, by the way, is the
sac leader the last two years, so I would think
that you would want to sign him up. They just
don't want him to get that money that Miles Garrett
and Michael Parsons, TJ. Watts going to get and he
shouldn't get that money. But should he be in there
with Max Crosby? Well probably so who is the other one?
(08:57):
So you got the Jets, you got the Browns. Take
the Bears out of it.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Let's not forget the Bear's history.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
They have had one really good offseason where they spent
on Ben Johnson, but historically they've never done stuff like this.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
It's almost like a pause, like, hey, good for.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Them, but that starts with ownership too. Yeah, just look
at ownership. That'll tell you everything about a franchise. How
solid is that ownership? Stable, not involved, not in front
of the camera constantly.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
Yeah, Pauling, I hate to do this because you know
I'm anti Cowboys. For clicks, I would absolutely put the
Cowboys on this poll question because, as you described, an
owner who thinks he knows more about football than football
experts is what the Cowboys have been doing for thirty
five years and it's not working out.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Jerry Jones knows how to make money, sure, he doesn't
necessarily know how to run a football team successfully. And
if you don't have a GM and all of a
sudden you're the GM and the owner. The owner would
have fired a GM who did the moves that Jerry made,
(10:05):
because that if Jerry ever came on the show, you know,
I would ask him, would you have fired you as
the GM? Because if you look at not making the playoffs,
or you make the playoffs, or you haven't been to
a conference final, the last time you won a Super Bowl,
you know all of those things. So I would say
Jerry is great at making money. Yeah, I do not
(10:28):
like the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I actively root against them, and I take great pleasure
in watching them not win. There's a butt coming up.
But to compare them to the Browns is too far, fair,
too far. That is, I love watching the Cowboys lose
almost as much as I like watching the teams.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I like win.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Every Cowboys loss feels like a win to me. But
to say that they should belong on this list with
the Browns and the Jets and even the Bears, frankly
is that's not right.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
But who has had more expectations attached to them?
Speaker 4 (11:02):
But if you have expectations, that means you're doing something right. No,
that just then you're just being disappointing.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
That just means that the networks focus on the Cowboys
because of the fan base there. It's not because it's warranted.
Nobody's received more attention probably in the history of the
NFL for the lack of success than the Cowboys have.
But they have an incredible fan base and a fan
base that still believes every single year this might be
(11:30):
the year. I just think Jerry is great at he's
great at branding, he's great at, you know, continuing to
have them constantly being discussed. He likes the any good news,
is any any news is good news? Like he probably
subscribes to that. Now. Have they had far more success
(11:50):
than the Cleveland Browns. Absolutely, But we're looking at dysfunction
on different levels there, Like the Jets. I mean, it's
gotten to the point where you just go, I feel
sorry for them, and the Cleveland Browns with Jimmy Haslam,
the Bears another cheap organization, the Bengals a cheap organization.
(12:12):
These are things that are systemic and the Bengals shouldn't
be thinking about, you know, are we gonna get my
my first round draft pick?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Here?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Are we going to get the guy who's the sack leader? Now?
It should be exciting. Now, this should be the time
where you go, We're looking pretty good here, Yeah, Pauling.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
I would say though, that the Browns have made some
horrible picks and moves personnel wise over the past fifteen years,
and they're way too risky Manziel.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
You could see it.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
It was way too risky. Deshaun Watson had so much
baggage off the field. There was nothing you're bidding against
to get him. There was way too much downside with
DeShawn and with a franchise like that, that has a
super loyal fan base, makes safe decisions.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
But they had to make an unsafe decision because of
the organization. They had to give to Shaun Watson a
deal he couldn't refuse. He didn't want to go.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
It's like you said, they made their own bed. You're
a bad franchise, so they'd overpay him.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yes, that's how they got to the point to make
a risky decision is because they've made other bad decisions.
You know, DraftKings has the team that will have the
fewest wins. It's the Browns. Then it's the Saints, Giants,
the Jets, the Titans, Raiders, and Panthers are tied after that.
(13:31):
But it's the Browns and Saints right now in the
clubhouse for the fewest wins. And I do think that
will lead to something very If I'm a Saints organization,
at what point is their organizational tanking here? Maybe you
don't put the best people on the field because if
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you happen to end up with the number one pick
in the draft, now you make you make it a
little bit tougher for arch Manning to go. I'll go
back to Texas instead of going to my hometown team
with the Saints. I can quarterback the team that Archie Manning,
who I'm named after, quarterback. But I wonder about that
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with the Saints. Do you get to the point where
you go and they've got some talent, but they're talking
about trading some players, maybe getting to that point where
oh woe is me? I don't think anybody's going to
be sad. They can wear the eights paper bags if
they know they're getting arch man Like all go through
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another bad season where we win three games. I think
the over under for the Browns is four and a half.
I think the Steelers right now is eight and a half.
We'll hear from Aaron Rodgers coming up as well, but
we'll settle on a poll question. We'll take a break
the NBA Commissioner Adam Silver in the on deck circle.
(14:58):
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Speaker 2 (16:09):
We will speak to the Commissioner of the NBA, Adam Silver,
coming up momentarily. Tom Thibodeau took out a full page
ad in the New York Times, and he was thanking
the New York Knicks. He starts it out by saying,
to the best city in the world, with the best
fans in the world, thank you. When I was hired
in twenty twenty, I said this was my dream job.
(16:30):
Ungrateful that that dream became a reality. Thank you to
our players, coaching staff who gave everything they had, and
to everyone who makes this franchise special. I'm proud of
everything we accomplished together, including four playoff appearances and this
year's run to the Eastern Conference Finals, our first in
twenty five years. And the fans. Thank you for believing
(16:51):
in me and embracing me from day one, watching your
support and you supporting our team and seeing the gardens
the garden night with that incomparable Nick's energy is something
I will never forget with gratitude and respect. Tom Thibodeau, Yes, Tod,
what is the goal or goals here?
Speaker 3 (17:11):
For Tom Thibodeau putting that out there in your.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Opinion, I think it's just a nice period at the
end of a paragraph that you had a good time there,
rewarding time there, memorable time there, got the opportunity you
took him to the Eastern Conference Finals. You walk out
with well a lot of money, but your head held
high that you did a great job for a team
(17:33):
that was desperate for a winning attitude. There, Yeah, Paul,
would it.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Be great at the end if you put ps the
Knicks paid for this ad?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I do what to ask though, Well, they did pay
for the ad because they're spending thirty million dollars.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Yes, he's done it twenty nine to nine.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Now after the ad, Is there any chance he posted
this to combat his image that's being portrayed as a
overly tough guy. It seems like his image is being
a little sullied on the way out.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Well, this doesn't change my opinion of the way he
rotated his players.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Yeah, more so, like he's not a player's coach.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
He's a bit too abrasive and play.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I think he's a tough guy, demanding guy. So I'm
you know, maybe I don't know what you know if
there was an ulterior motive here. By the way, Sham
says the Knicks have not requested permission for the Mavericks
coach Jason Kidd as of Tuesday night, but sources tell
(18:35):
ESPN the Mavericks would reject them to bringing the commissioner
of the NBA, Adam Silver back on the program or
is he ready to do a couple? Okay, so the
Knicks have not requested permission for Jason Kidd, but you know,
Brian Winhor said there's mutual interest or there was mutual interest,
(18:56):
So I don't know how that works between the Knicks
are interested in Jason Kidd. He might be interested in them,
but the Mavericks aren't interested in letting him be more
interested in the New York Knicks, if that makes sense here?
All right, what a pole question we're going to settle
on is what they're seedon?
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Yeah, I do think just back to that topic quickly.
That Tom Thibodeau sort of taking the high road publicly,
isn't isn't a bad look and sort of like a
and just a reminder they asked me to leave. I
didn't want to. Good luck, see you around Eastern Conference finals.
Sure was fun, see you guys later.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
And it's almost as if they overachieved because the Celtics
injuries with Tatum, the Cavaliers' injuries, and you know, you
got further and further, and then it probably became tougher
and tougher for you to go. How do we validate
firing this guy. I think they probably had this decision
(19:53):
made before the playoffs started, and they probably played too well.
But Tom Thibodeau with a New York Times farewell, let's
bring in the commissioner, Adam Silver, joining us on the program.
Do you have business cards?
Speaker 6 (20:08):
Me?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah, hold on, wait.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
What should say?
Speaker 8 (20:17):
It says National Basketball Association Adam Silver, commissioner the whole
phone numbers and an address.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Okay, how often do you hand those outs?
Speaker 3 (20:26):
You know?
Speaker 8 (20:26):
It's so funny When I give them to younger people,
they go like this. But our generation still likes business cards,
so I still carry them or I got a I
had about a thousand printed, I think when I became commissioner,
so I'm going to use them up.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
You should just hand them out, autograph them. You know,
collectors items are impressed.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
You gotta be impressed. I had them in my pocket.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
That's impressed. Rehearsed this, I know that's impressive. You were
at the University of Chicago, what late eighties?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Okay, do you remember your first Jordan Bulls game when
you were in school?
Speaker 8 (21:01):
I do, because so I got to I went to
law school at University of Chicago. I got there in
nineteen eighty five, and at that time, we could just
go down to the I mean you just bought tickets
at you know, literally at the ticket window at game time.
I mean, you know, I had gone to Duke, so
I knew Michael from North Carolina. I mean not it
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wasn't secret, but they weren't selling out all the games
back then. I mean it was you know, people forget
it. It was several years before he won his first championship.
I mean, he was great, but it wasn't the Michael
Jordan that he turned into.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
When do you remember when it was more than just
a basketball game?
Speaker 8 (21:40):
Not WHI I was, well, I remember there was an
All Star game in Chicago, so it would have been
I don't know, it was like eighty seven or something.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I remember that. What was the year when he went
to stay eighty eighty? Yeah, okay, So that.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
You know, I think that transformed I think him into
this global icon in a way. I just think that
that iconic shot I can picture of him flying through
the air. I remember, you know, I did not have
great seats, but I remember I was in the arena
when he did that, and I just remember that that
was transformational.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I think, how involved were you with NBC bringing in
Michael Jordan, Not at all.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
You mean just now they're just this announcement they're bringing
him back now. I mean they told me they were
going to try and I said, good luck. I didn't
honestly didn't think he was going to do it.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
You know.
Speaker 8 (22:29):
It took us, as you know, decades to convince him
to do the documentary, you know, the Last Dance, which
came out during the pandemic and ended up still I
think it's one of them, you know, widely viewed on Netflix.
But he didn't you know, he didn't want to do
that for a long time. We had the footage, and
I know there were other inquiries over the years, and
(22:51):
I think he, for whatever reason, he was ready to
do it.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Now. I think he.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
Has, of course, incredibly fond memories of NBC. I don't
think that's lost on anyone he has. You know, as
you well know, some of the very same people are there,
people like John Miller, who he had a relationship from
back all those years ago. You know, Mark Lazarus was
still you know, they are just switched over to the
(23:15):
other side of the operation. But you know, so I
think like he had those relationships and again I didn't
discourage them, but I was surprised he said, yes.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, still trying to figure out what his role is
going to be. Now do you follow up? Do you
want Are you curious about what role Jordan is going
to play with the upcoming camp?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (23:36):
No, I I you know, well, I you know, I
didn't know in advance, but that you know, they told
me what their idea was for him in that role,
and I think that they're still working through that. I
think that, you know, I spoke to Michael about it.
I mean, he's he's excited about it. I think for him,
it means he's got to stay current with the game.
Obviously he's he's a small owner still in Charlotte, but
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he he's so passionate about it. I mean we talked
about it all the time. I mean, he you know,
he wants the game to be played the right way.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
He he you.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
Know, he's still got a huge business around the game
with the Jordan brand. But I think more importantly, he
watches a lot of basketball and and you know, he
knows it's it's what defines him still and so I
think fans are going to enjoy hearing his his take, you.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Know, on on the modern League.
Speaker 8 (24:27):
I think one of the things that I'm excited about
in terms of NBC coming back, and this goes back
to the Dick Eversol days, you know, is that I
remember that sign behind Dick's desk that said storytelling. I mean,
I think there's still some of the best edit you know,
and I think telling stories around the game, I mean
even right now. I mean that's sort of this narrative
out there about small markets whatever else. I mean, you know,
(24:50):
incredible stories around Shay and you know in Tyres and
Pascal Siakam. I mean, I my job too. You know,
we first met when I was at NBA Entertainment. But
to tell those stories to fans, I think that's what
draws them in. I mean, there's the lovers of pure basketball,
and I think the basketball is fantastic, but you also
have to show how multi dimensional lease players are and
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you know, explain to them the storylines, the conflict on
the floor. And nobody does that better than NBC.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
You talked about Michael staying current. There are times when
Charles may not know who's even playing in a game
that he's watching. Now, it's funny to us, but you're
the commissioner and this is your lead broadcast team or
a studio show. How does that kind of settle with you?
When Charles may not even know who he's talking about, Well.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
That may be a little extreme.
Speaker 8 (25:46):
I mean, I'm down there a fair amount at their
studio Atlanta. I mean, he's watching the games. I mean
they made a decision to take an entertainment route with
that studio show. I mean, I think ESPN was always
about more hardcore basketball. Maybe NBC was somewhere in the
middle in the old days. But it's an entertainment show
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and he's entertaining and fans seem to love it.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
You know.
Speaker 8 (26:12):
Sometimes he's a bit of the crazy uncle, I think.
But even when he's I think there's a difference when
putting aside, you know, how focused he is on the game.
My sense always when Charles is critical, it is a
little bit like your uncle at the Thanksgiving table being critical.
It's like there's no doubt it comes from a place
of love.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
You know.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
I don't feel the same way about some of the
other commentators, and I think it's just it's you know,
Charles found a lane and he does it well, and
it'll be interesting to see how that converts. As you know,
they're now bringing that studio show to ESPN and ABC
next year. I think, you know, we'll see how that
(26:54):
works out. I mean, I you know, I love the
fact that those guys are still going to be involved
in are teleg has. But you know, I'm not sure
whether it will be produced differently for them or they'll
be a different expectation from ESPN and ABC fans or
watchers that maybe what people are seeing late at night
on TNT.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
He's the commissioner of the NBA, Adam Silver. You know,
everybody gets caught up in ratings and I just say,
either watch it or not. You know, But the role
that social media plays on your priority list because this
is a global game and people may not watch the game,
but they're watching those clips. You know, you're you're getting
views there. But as the commissioner, you got to, you know,
(27:37):
pay homage to the networks. But where does social media
rank on your priority list?
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Social media is high in our priority list.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
I mean, first of all, we've had something like a
billion view so far globally on social media, since the
finals have started. But also to get back to your
ratings point, I think what gets lost sometimes is just
like social media is global, so are the tellcasts of
our games. And I understand people wanting to talk about
our domestic ratings and the extent that the ratings are down,
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that's a storyline or they're up, there's a storyline. And
there is a correlation between market size more than I'm
happy about. You know, I was listening to Aaron Rodgers
yesterday and he was talking about now becoming a stealer
and we're saying, now, I've played for two of the
most story franchises, the Packers and Steelers. But nobody stopped
them to say, oh, those are small markets. And so
(28:31):
maybe I'm jealous in a way from the NFL that
that's never you know, Steelers and Packers, the storyline is,
it's unimaginable. It would be can you believe two small
markets they're meeting in the Super Bowl this year it's
two storied franchises. And in the NBA, I think because
there was so much outsize success of certain franchises over
(28:51):
the first several decades of the league. I mean, the
statistic is roughly over the first sixty five years of
the league, three teams won sixty percent of the championships,
and so it's understandable that Laker Celtics Bowls still globally
have these huge followings because it gets almost passed on generationally.
And to make ourselves more like the NFL, I think
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we're moving in that direction where we have a system
now where Oklahoma City and Indianapolis can compete in the
same way that larger markets can because of a cap
system and tax and all that stuff. So it's going
to take us a while to get there, but I
understand why ratings are part of the story. Now, the
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last part I'll say about social media. I do think
something we're thinking a lot more about and getting more
sophisticated about, is how do you translate social media into
a desire to watch live games. I'll give you just
one example. I think we may even talked about it
last time. I was on Victor Webb. Yama was in
New York playing on Christmas and then played in Brooklyn
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a few days later, so he was staying in New
York around that time. He's a chess player. He went
to Washington Square Park played chess in the rain for
forty five minutes. Within five days, one hundred million people
had viewed him playing chess, and it was just anecdotally.
Anyone I would ask, because it was also on a
lot of the morning shows. I said, you see Victory,
(30:16):
Oh yeah, that was the guy from France.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
He played.
Speaker 8 (30:18):
Now the question is seeing that he also plays chess,
and he's a by definition, you could say, a multi
dimensional guy. There's far more to him than ball playing.
He speaks multiple languages, even the fact that he's you know,
grew up outside of Paris, et cetera. How do we
as the league use that to bring people to the
set to watch live games? Because I would say, looking back,
(30:43):
we've gotten distracted at times and forgotten sort of or
I've forgotten that my core responsibility is to get more
people to be passionate about NBA basketball and watch our games.
That's what sustains our business. I mean, it's of course
ticket sales, but ticket sales are as high they've been
in the history of the league, and there's not a
lot more room to grow because our buildings are roughly
(31:04):
ninety five percent full. We have a global following, so
there's enormous opportunity both through social media, but where the
real value comes is from people watching live games. So
I think we can do a better job using social
media to bring people to the set to say, tonight
eight thirty ABC, you know, game three, tune in, and
(31:25):
to be more sophisticated about understanding is it would people
rather see more about Shay Gilgess, Alexander's background, growing up
in Canada, et cetera, what the things he loves or
do they want to see him, you know, working out
what aspects of him are going to cause people to
be more likely to be interested in watching the game tonight.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Why does the All Star Game have to be competitive?
Speaker 8 (31:51):
It's an interesting question because again I was just talking
about how jelosyam of aspects of the NFL. The Pro
Bowl at this point is flag football, and I think
that fans that seem to accept that it gets a
good rating, and nobody suggests that that's indicative of a
lack of desire or passion by NFL players for whatever reason.
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In the case in the NBA, when we've tried other
things and thought, all right, we'll go more entertainment route
or whatever else, the reaction is, I can't believe your
players aren't giving their all for an All Star Game,
or at least maybe they don't expect them to play
like they would in the playoffs, but they're expecting a
competitive game.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
And so that's fair.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
Then we have to respond to that, and I haven't
been successful frankly in the last few years. We tried
some new things in San Francisco. I mean, part of
it was there was a format issue. There was a
huge stoppage of play in the final. You know, we
had this round robin where you know, there was a
celebration around Turner, which they deserve, but I think the game.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Lost to aults momentum.
Speaker 8 (32:53):
So something you've talked a lot about historically is this
USA World concept. And obviously so I watched what others
sports are doing. The NHL had great success with the
four nation faceoff. So we're looking now for next year.
We'll be in LA we'll be into a dome where
the Olympics are going to take place in twenty eight
and we're going to be on NBC. Back to NBC
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for the All Star Game, and we're going to be
smack in the middle of winter Olympic coverage. So ever,
a time to move to USA World it's now. What
we're toying with now and working with Andrea Gudal at
the Players Association, is what's the right format because I
don't I think straight up USA World probably won't work
because although the number of international players is growing and
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is roughly thirty percent of our league right now, it
wouldn't be fair to pick the All Stars seventy percent
as one team thirty percent of the other. So I
think we're again playing off what the NHL did. Maybe
there's there's multiple teams, maybe there's more than one USA team,
but we can achieve that concept and I think create
a sense of nationalism around it and again feel like
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we belong sort of on the Sunday where it's otherwise
Olympic coverage. So I'm hopeful that we can create something
more competitive there.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Do you have your wish list of expansion like the
cities right now?
Speaker 3 (34:13):
There's cities we're thinking about.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
How many cities would you say are on that wish list?
Speaker 8 (34:18):
Well, let me begin by saying it it's not obvious
to me we should expand I think it's likely over
time we will. And the reason I say it's not
obvious is because as a global business you know, where
something like two billion people will connect with us on
social media, over a billion people over the course of
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the year, we'll watch some portion of the game. Adding
another US city, arguably, it's unclear how much growth will
get as a result of that. And when you're adding
expansion franchises, you're diluting their competition two more Let's say
we expand by two teams, two more teams that you
know are going to be competing for those same players,
(35:00):
and you're diluting your economics the extent we have locked
in television money now for the next decade, you have
two more partners. Having said that, I do believe certain
markets potentially can be additive to the NBA, and that's
what we're going to look at. And I think part
of it is geographic. It's a big country, you know,
making sure we're represented, you know, all around the country,
(35:20):
and then over time, maybe there's more we can do
in Canada and Mexico City is a city we've talked
about before. You know, I don't want to say specific
cities today, just because many have reached out to us
to say they're interested and I and our reaction so
far has been thank you for your interest. We haven't
taken any meetings with any cities. We have a board
(35:41):
meeting in Las Vegas around the Summer League in July.
I know we're going to be talking about it.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Then.
Speaker 8 (35:46):
I had been saying for the last several years, let
us get through collective bargaining, which we did, let us
figure out our new media relationships, which we have, and
that would be the time to consider it seriously.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
So that's what we're going to do this summer.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
But I'm retiring in three years, Commissioner, I'm retiring in
three years. Will we have expansion in three years?
Speaker 3 (36:06):
I'm honestly not sure.
Speaker 8 (36:07):
I okay, I whether if, even if we were to
announce we're engaged in a process, it's not clear to
me at what moment they would start playing. But look this,
I don't mean to tease people with this. This is
the summer we're gonna look at it seriously.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I thought you'd be a little more emotional about my retirement.
I mean, it's kind of bleue right past that.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
You're like Michael Jordan, you've retired before.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I'm not coming out. I'm not coming I'm not gonna
play baseball. Just gonna let you know I'm not gonna
let you, but hey, thanks for joining us. Have fun
tonight and thanks again. Yeah, thanks Dan, that's Adam Silver,
NBA commissioner. Not at least he'd give me a like a.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Like a courtesy.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Oh yeah, oh boy, man, we're gonna miss you. Don't
do it, Dan, Yeah, how can I keep you? Maybe
I could join the nb A Advisory Council. Well, he
tends to listen to some of my ideas.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
I don't think that's dumb.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
That's a pretty good comfiment.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
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next hour. Stefan Diggs as well will head to the
US Open getting underway at Oakmont on Thursday. Chris Simms
(39:19):
from Pro Football Talk will stop by as well, recapping
a couple of things that the commissioner said. First of all,
he was surprised that NBC was going to reach out
to Michael Jordan and even said, hey, good luck. I
met Adam Silver back in the late eighties and he
was at NBA Entertainment, and so I've known him over
(39:42):
forty years. But I remember that they had a crew
that followed Michael Jordan during the NBA Finals and really
followed him a lot more than that, and I kept wondering,
I never see that video. I never see the footage.
And then all of a sudden we realized they were
stockpiling all this and then still waiting for Jordan to
(40:03):
sign off and say all right, let's make a documentary.
And they finally did, and of course she got the
last dance. But Adam Silver was involved with that. With
NBA Entertainment, the All Star format, it doesn't sound like
it's cut and dried. It's going to be the United
States versus the world here because you don't have the
(40:25):
depth on the rosters with the World. But I'd still
like to have that starting five against the United States
starting five. He also brought up the TNT show inside
the NBA with Chuck and you know, Kenny, Chack and Ernie,
and I think saying, I hope it doesn't become nuts
(40:45):
and bolts.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Now.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
He didn't say he's concerned, but I think that there's
a I hope that they keep this the way it is, like,
this is entertainment. Now. The other commissioner, David Stern, might
have had a different view of Charles, maybe not knowing
everybody in the NBA.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
Yes, Marvin, it's a little difficult when you have a
segment called who he played for?
Speaker 2 (41:12):
But it's entertainment. It's awesome, it's entertainment. ESPN can do
the nuts and bolts. But I thought that that was
interesting and expansion because it feels like it's a foregone conclusion.
But what he's saying is, wait, we got broadcast partners,
you got teams. They already know how much money they're
going to make. Now you bring expansion in, what are
they paying to get in? And how are you divvying
(41:35):
up the piece of the pie there? And he brought
up Canada, and he brought up Mexico City, so it
didn't sound like a foregone conclusion of Seattle in Las Vegas.
One hour in the books already on this Wednesday. Two
more to go. Todd's here, Marvin's here, Seaton's here, Paula
yours truly the back room guys, Hour two on the
(41:56):
way right after this
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