July 22, 2025 • 39 mins
Dan discusses Jerry Jones’ penchant for negotiating player contracts through the press and the likely fate of Cowboys DE Micah Parsons and Bengals DE Trey Hendrickson. Plus, he talks about Clayton Kershaw tipping his pitches.
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reporting today, and you've got a situation with the Cowboys
and the Cincinnati Bengals, and both of the owners of
those teams had something to say about the players who
were on the outside looking in. Trey Hendrickson his contract situation.
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Mike Brown talked about that, and Jerry Jones of course
talked about Michaeh Parsons signing him to a contract extension.
I'll go back to what I talked to Albert Breer
about yesterday. He, of course the Monday Morning quarterback. If
you're going to eventually pay these players, why have any acrimony?
Why not just we know that Jerry Jones is going
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to pay Michael Parsons, right. I have a hunch the
Bengals will pay Trey Hendrickson now. I'm sure they're saving money.
I'm sure that they have some business strategy here that I,
of course, with my limited education, wouldn't understand. But there's
also Jerry Jones, who loves being Jerry Jones. He loves
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to be If he had already settled this Michael Parsons contract,
then maybe we would be just talking about the Cowboys
as a team and how good they're going to be.
But it's rarely that now, that'll happen later in the season.
But with Michaeh Parsons, Jerry Jones said this about signing
him to a contract extension.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Just because we signed him doesn't mean we're going to
have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously,
we've signed I remember signing a player for the highest
paid at the position in the league and he got
knocked out two thirds of the year, Dak Prescott. So
there's a lot of things you can think about and
just as the player does, when you're thinking about committing
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and guaranteeing money.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Okay, you might think this, but you don't have to
say the quiet part out loud. Why because then all
of a sudden, now you're Michaeh Parsons. How do you
feel about this? You know, we go back to Dak
Prescott and I said, don't re sign him. And plus,
you gave him all that money. If you're going to
give somebody money, give it to Michaeh Parsons. But he
(02:56):
made Dak the highest paid quarterback coming off ankles. What's
the logic in that? And a guy who's now thirty
two can't stay healthy and you gave him all that
money that I don't understand your business philosophy. As for
Michael Parsons, yes, did he miss games. Yes, when he plays,
he's great. You got the Bengals situation with Trey Hendrickson.
(03:21):
All he's done is outperform every other edge rusher the
last two years. When it comes to sacks and the
NFL doesn't pay you on what you did, they pay
you on what they think you'll do. Here's the Bengals owner,
Mike Brown on Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
We aren't going to trade Trey. We're working to get
Trey signed as we speak here. There are guys over
in the office working to get that. We like Trey
as a person, he's a good guy. But when it
comes to these negotiations, and we've been through a few
of them with him, he pushes hard, he gets emotional.
(04:04):
We never have an easy time of it. But there's
one thing that is consistent. It always gets done. And
I think this one will.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Okay, it does get done. But why drag this out?
Why have this back and forth? It just doesn't help
the tone of the team. The Bengals should be thinking about, Hey,
how do we make the playoffs this year? Hey we
need a little defense if we're going to make the playoffs. Hey,
we spend all this money on offense, Can we stop anybody?
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There're gonna be a lot of shootouts there with the Bengals,
why not just have Trey Hendrickson and whatever. You're gonna
give him a three year deal. Now, I know he's
four years I think four years older than Michael Parsons.
Well he's not Michaeh Parsons, but he is really good
at what he is paid to do. It's just the
Bengals are notoriously cheap with this, and that's unfortunate because
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you spend all this money on your wide receivers and
your quarterback. Your quarterback said I need those guys. Now,
I don't know if Joe Burrell said, hey, by the way,
I also need somebody who can stop somebody. So I'm
not on the field and I have to score touchdowns
every single time I'm out there. But maybe that would
have helped. But now you look at these situations, now,
will they get done? Yes? I just these are different
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approaches because Mike Brown doesn't say much, Jerry Jones says
too much. And I don't know why you bring up
something with Dak Prescott. I don't know why you bring
up something with Micah Parsons. Now, I know he loves
to be in the headlines and the Cowboys are constantly
in the headlines. Nobody has produced less but gained more
attention in the history of sports than the Dallas Cowboys,
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And here we are again, Yeah pulling.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
I was actually more bothered by the Bengals owner Mike
Brown calling Trey Hendricken emotional about his contract situation. This
guy's thirty years old. This is his last chance to
get paid. He gets rough, He's never gotten the monster contract.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
This is it.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
This is his livelihood for him and his family the
rest of his life. You could see why be emotional
about it.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, But just because you're emotional about it, I have
to look, it's still a business. He's thirty four, it's
a business. What do I want to pay him? Am
I going to pay him t J. Watt, Michael Parsons,
Miles Garrett money? No, I'm not. And you would think
you would earn it based off what you've done, but
that's not the way it works. Certainly what the Bengals
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approach is on this with Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Yeah, wouldn't Mike Brown be dealing with Trey Hendrickson's agent?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, So what is the like? I mean, maybe I'm just.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
Being naive, but the whole like, well, you know, he
gets really emotional and all this he pushes hard when
he gets emotional. Is that his agent telling Mike Brown that, well,
you know, my client is really emotional about this, or
is he just projecting it through the agent? Is that
the whole point of dealing with an agent is so
that you can do exactly what you just said. You
remove emotion from it and now this is just business.
(07:04):
It's just us too. It's not the player who's going
to be emotional about it. It's just me, the agent
and the owner.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's it. I think Trey has had some comments, you know,
the last couple of months, so I think that's the
emotional part of it. But I'm surprised that you do
bring up emotion. Yes, this is your contract. Mike Brown's
going to have fifteen contracts to deal with. This is
the only one Trey Hendrickson has. And of course you
would be emotional. You've given everything to the team, You've
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played hard, you've outperformed your contract. But you know that
if you look at the why the NFL is so successful,
it is a league that favors owners and fans, so
we get we get to consume. It's great for us,
and it's great for the owners, not necessarily great for
the players. And now you have this turmoil with the
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NFL Players Association. Where is there collusion?
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Was there?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
You know, the players Association in cahoots with owners to
try to stop these guaranteed contracts after Deshaun Watson. I mean,
there's a whole lot going on here. And I think TJ.
Watt got his deal done. He got it in his
salary that we said, this is probably where he's landing
around forty or forty one million dollars. I just don't
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understand why it has to be dragged out unless they say, well,
we can save X number of dollars by doing it
later on, Well, then just tell the player, Hey, we're
going to get this done. Let's just keep it quiet.
No need to go back and forth. But that's the
problem with this. It just feels like it's unwanted attention.
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Now Jerry loves it. He doesn't care. And I didn't
realize this. And I remember that you had a couple
of analysts who came on the show and they said,
he loves this. He loves the attention more than anything else.
It's not about winning, it's about the attention that he
gets in the process, And I said, well, if he wins,
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he'll get a whole lot of attention. But you get
addicted to that. Hey, are they talking about our team? Yeah,
they are. It doesn't matter. You know, that's one of
those Any publicity is good publicity. Jerry Jones subscribes to that,
and that's unfortunate. Yes, John, if they're ultimately.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
Going to pay Parsons, so is this a game of chicken?
What is going to change with his ability or what
the numbers are going to be? Jones is going to
all of a sudden pay him sooner. The agent's gonna
take less from the Cowboys because they're concerned he's not
going to get the money that he wants.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
No.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
He even said, well, you could get hit by a car,
like what is Yes, yes, that is true. He could
get hit by a car, he get hit by lightning.
There could be a lot of bad things that happen.
But if you're saying, well, we don't know, I mean, Jerry,
you've made bad decisions contract wise before. I don't think
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this is a bad contract decision. He's going to cost you.
You need him right now. You're an ap average team.
You overpaid it. Quarterback you have drafted pretty well. Somebody
in the front office must be doing a great job
because they have had some surprise picks. And Jerry you know,
(10:14):
famously had some bad picks, whether it's a head coach
or keeping himself as the GM. Some of the signings
that he has, this one seems logical of all the signings. Now,
I love Cdee Lamb. I thought, okay pay him, and
Michael Parsons is a great disruptor. Dak Prescott is not
a great quarterback. He's not a top ten quarterback, but
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you paid him that way coming off ankle surgery. Yes, yeah, Paulin, Yeah,
that's exactly right. Michaeh.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Parsons is exactly the case of giving the contract as
fast as you can. Michael Parsons in four years, three
time All Pro, four time Pro bowler, He's twenty five
years old. He's technically entering his prime. This seems like
the smartest money. It's like the Joe Burrow contract. If
through the Bengal you're happy to give Joe Burrow the
most money in quarterback history at the time because all
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he did was play well for you, and now he's
entering that second contract. He lived up to the draft
pick exactly what you want as an owner. It's like,
the only smart money is that second contract of a
sure thing player.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I want to make sure I got this correct. Trey
Hendrickson is he's thirty thirty, ok Sarson's is twenty six, Okay,
so four years older. Okay. I don't know if I
said thirty four, but I think this sack total was
thirty five maybe over the last two years. But I'm
going to go back to the beginning of last season,
and Seaton brought this up and we're just having a
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casual conversation. He goes, you know the Cowboys there, it's
a weird situation they're in. You want dak to play well,
Cede Lamb to play well, Micah Parsons to play well,
but as a result, you must pay them, so they're
going to live up to where you drafted them or
how they performed. But then that can be a negative
because you do have to pay these guys one thirty
(12:01):
million dollars, one forty and one sixty million dollars. Well,
that's three players where you got one hundred and thirty
million dollars each season with these guys, and you don't
have the performance that goes along with it because of
the other players on the team. So it was kind
of a good situation, but it was gonna go bad
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because if they played well, you have to pay them
commensurate to that, and that's exactly what happened. These guys
are going to be Michael will be the highest paid
non quarterback in the NFL. You got Dak who's the
highest paid quarterback, and Ceedee Lamb, who's what top five
wide receiver with what he's getting paid. Those are good
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things that they play well. It's just I never would
assign Dak Prescott to that contract extension yas Paul.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
But you could go back to a mistake off a
player who played well, Ezekiel Ellett. Elliott drafted in twenty sixteen,
sixteen hundred yards, one thousand yards, fifteen hundred yards, fourteen
hundred yards, carried the ball more than anyone in the
sport for four straight years, and they gave him the
monstrous second contract where he started going downhill. But they
got caught up in we drafted a running back high,
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he paid off, we must pay him when they'd been
should have done the discipline thing and not paid him.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, I said, you got everything you wanted out of him,
move on from him, and then Jerry signs the contract
extension even brings back Zeke Elliott again for another curtain call.
You know, if you're loyal, great, But if you're loyal,
don't say things publicly about Michael Parsons or Dak Prescott
or anybody else on the team. It just sometimes he
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acts like he's a caller to a radio station and
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poll question for the first hour of this program.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
Oh, we got a few off of the same. We
might go a three pole question Hour one, might be
a three pole question Hour onereesome, Yeah, threesome, trifecta. Jerry
Jones dot dot dot shouldn't have said that or wasn't wrong?
Now it can be both, Yes, it is both it is,
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but you have to pick one. He either shouldn't have
said that or what he said wasn't wrong.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I think he should not have said that. I mean,
that's your best player. That's that's your best player. You
don't need to say, hey, you know what he got
hurt last year, or you know he could get hit
by a car. It's you're going to pay him. You're
going to pay him a dollar more than TJ. Watt.
(17:28):
You're going to But let's not drag this out and
you if you say something privately to his agent, hey, hey,
you know see it from my perspective. Anytime you're in
a negotiation, you must see the other side of it.
And if you're an agent, you're like, all right, let
me look at what Jerry's looking at, and Jerry should
do the same. I don't know if Jerry does that
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where he goes hey, you know, let me look at
this through the agent's eyes, so the player's eyes this
about me.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
Yes, that sounds a lot to me like Mike Brown's comments.
Maybe that's something you say to the agent you don't
need to say to everybody else. Man, your guy's a
little emotional.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yes, maybe we could take the emotion out of this.
He's really pushing hard. He's a little emotional. I mean
to me, that's a silly comment, Like this is this
guy's livelihood. This will be probably the last contract he
makes in the NFL, his last chance set his family
up for life. You've played, performed admirably at a all
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pro level the last two years. He wants something that
is exemplary to hey, look at what I did for you.
Can you do something for me? And Mike Brown said, hey,
you're a little emotional. Yes, because this is my contract.
That's a silly comment by Mike Brown. I want somebody
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who cares. I want somebody who's emotional. If he went
in there and he went whatever emotional would be. You know, well,
why don't you trade me? Get me out of here.
This is a cheap organization. I'll go someplace where somebody
wants me. That would be emotional. This is just normal.
That's You're just you're fighting for every dollar and that's
(19:13):
all he's doing. No, Yeah, Paulie, I actually.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Weirdly like that. Jerry Jones said it. At least he's
somewhat transparent about how most owners think of players as
pawns or pieces that are interchangeable except for the highest
end quarterbacks and things like that. And it's almost refreshing
to hear honesty. While it doesn't help the Cowboys or
the situation.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
But are you going to pay him? Yeah? Okay, then
why say it?
Speaker 10 (19:39):
I try.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
I think he's trying to explain that I'm doing everything
I can to make sure I pay as least amount
I can of the big contract I'm about to give
this guy, which is weird.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
What about the logic of what you did with Dak Prescott.
Now you can say, Wow, you learned from his mistakes.
You gave Dak Prescott far too much money. You did
that to him, and Michael Parsons is your best team,
best player. Michael Parsons is one of the top ten
players probably in the NFL as far as impact on
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a game. Michael Parsons is that. Now you can say Hey,
he gets injured, that's what you say to the agent. Hey,
we're starting to get nicked up a little bit here.
That's a concern I have. We love his performance, we
love his passion. We got to have him. But understand
where I'm coming from, Like, that's what a negotiation is.
And I went through negotiations before. Now I made him
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public because I thought they were humorous after the fact,
when I had Mark Shapiro, who was my boss for
years at ESPN, told my agent that I'm over the
hill and I'll never get another job, and I thought, wow.
And of course, of course I re signed a bad
deal at ESPN. But that's on me because I'm like,
maybe he's right, Maybe I'm old and I'll never get
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another job. He said it to my agent, it ly,
he didn't say it publicly where you know, put it
in the newspaper. He's over the hill and never get
another job, to which my wife said, well, then why
is he offering you a contract if you're over the
hill when nobody else is going to hire you. I go,
that's good logic, hun, But I already signed the contract,
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so you don't have to say it. I mean, I look,
it's good content that he said it publicly. I just
don't think it's professional. I don't think that that's how
an owner should act privately. There's a lot of things
that go on privately, but they stay private. This is unfortunate.
Now do they move past this?
Speaker 11 (21:36):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I mean that's not their biggest issue. Their big biggest
issue is trying to keep up with the Eagles and
the Commanders. That's the problem. And you know who helps
you do that. Michaeh. Parsons does. All right, So we
got a three four here with Jerry Jones. What are
the other two?
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Seaton more bothersome comments from Jerry Jones or Mike Brown.
Both of them are so they sort of split the
room a little bit, although I know I didn't really
appreciate Mike Brown's comments either.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I don't need to hear about he's emotional. Yeah, that's okay, great,
he's emotional. Did he perform for you? How was he
when he was on the football field? Is he emotional
because he's this contract who's been dragging out and he's
looking at all these other edge rushers getting paid and
he's sitting there going, uh, hello, hello, Yeah, Pauling.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
I went back to OTA's and Trey Hendrickson did talk
to the media. He showed up, he didn't work out.
He spoke to the media and he was I wouldn't
use the word emotional, but he was candid and he
said he goes. I was promised certain things after my
first time being All Pro and leading the league in sacks,
and now I'm asking for those things again. So you
could understand his frustration. If you're told, hey, man, you perform,
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we're going to give you the boat, the big contract,
and then they push it back another year, you can
understand a guy's frustration he's done his job perfectly well.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
You also have the Bengals situation with their first round
draft pick who's not in camp, and they want language
in there that protects them. You know, everybody wants a
guaranteed contract. Now, every everybody wants everything guaranteed, but I
think there's language if you get arrested, then you know
you don't you're not gonna get paid. And I Mike
Brown said, hey, I don't want to pay somebody who's
in jail.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
I think I'm okay with that rule. If you're technically
in a cell.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Maybe I don't want to. I don't want to pay
somebody in jail either. Yeah, but you you're making that
big leap that somehow your first round draft pick is
could end up in jail or could end up in jail.
I should say, what are the other what's the other pole? Questionaire? Seton?
We got one more for you off of these.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
With NFL contract situations, I'm team dot dot dot owners
and league or players.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
What you side with on contract disputes in the NFL?
More well, it feels like fans would side with the
owner because players are interchangeable, but the owner, you know,
salary cap and what that means with ticket price. I
don't know. Maybe there's a trickle down there that you're like,
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you know, I gotta trust that guy. I think you
want your player to get paid, But then when your
player doesn't deserve to get paid, that's when you side
with ownership. I mean, I wanted Saquon Barkley to get
paid and they weren't going to pay them. With the Giants,
and I go, well, good, good for you. Go to
the Eagles and we saw what happened there. But I
didn't go, well, I'm going to side with the Giants ownership.
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You got to draw a line, and we probably do
that with other players. But you know, I mean, I
try not to comment too much on somebody's salaries, you know,
unless it has something to do with what it means
with other players, what it does with other quarterbacks, other
edge rushers, running backs, those kind of things, then you
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can discuss it. But if you're willing to pay, all right,
you know, And I go back to Dak Prescott. I
have nothing against Dak Prescott. He's been very nice when
he's been on the show. But I just wouldn't have
paid him, you know, I just didn't understand that, Yes, Todd,
I would tend to.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
Sign with the players, even though we're not talking to
the average present can't deal with the or relate to
millions of dollars, But the average person working that feels
like they want to be compensated properly. They put in
a number of years and they get released, or they're
not held in high regard, or they feel like they're
being nickeled in dimes. So I would certainly make the
argument that fans, would, you know, side with the Platre
DP show.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
David in Ohio, Hi David, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Hey?
Speaker 12 (25:40):
Dan?
Speaker 10 (25:41):
Happy Tuesday.
Speaker 12 (25:43):
Yesterday, guys were talking about Scottie Scheffler and how great
of an athlete he is, which he is. I did
a little research and it looks like he's lives in Dallas, Texas.
So it's really great to see an athlete bring a
championship home to Dallas.
Speaker 11 (26:00):
Thank you, all right?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I see that a little shot there, thank you, David.
I think the over under for the Cowboys though, isn't
it like eight and a half, seven and a half,
eight and a half something like that.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Yeah, Paulie, it is, But three or four years ago
it was always ten and a half. Yeah, that's a drop, but.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
That's when they were winning thirteen games. Now, they did
have a run where they were winning games and then
they would lose famously in the postseason. Yes, Todd, I
wanted to add.
Speaker 7 (26:33):
One more thing about the emotional Hendrickson and Parsons and
people feeling that you could get the money that they deserve.
A sport like football more than any other sport, especially baseball,
best one. The risk of injury and CTE and getting
your head bashed in. I would be that much more
emotional playing the sport of football, feeling like I'm not
getting compensated what I deserve. Okay, it's okay for me
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to have like possible brain injuries years from now, but
you're gonna Nickel and Dimey when I'm one of the
top ten players in the league.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Shelf life. You know, that's your career.
Speaker 10 (27:05):
You know, what is it?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Three and a half years on average. I did run
into a former player when we were in Tahoe and
he was kind of banged up, and I said, yeah,
but you know you got your medical you got your pension.
He goes, no, I don't. And I said, wait, the
NFL does not take care of you, and he said no, no,
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And I was surprised at that because this is a
former Marquee player, good player, and I for some reason
thought that they had health benefits or that they would
take care of And this person has had a few surgery,
he's still not in great shape, had a few surgeries,
and for some reason I thought that you got to
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a certain number of years you got your pension, that
they took care of you, and I was surprised at that.
I also ran into somebody, and this one was interesting,
and I don't know if this was made public, but
it had to do with Clayton Kershaw and you know,
tim chipping pitches. And I ran into somebody in the
(28:09):
Astros organization, used to be in the Astros organization, and
we started just talking and we got around to the
sign stealing with the Astros and the garbage cans, and
you know, he said, oh, that's garbage can. That wasn't
a big deal, he said, you know it was the
problem was we're looking at video in the hallway during
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games and then relaying that. I said, well, yeah, you
got the information, then you relay it, and then you
bang garbage cans. So you know, he he didn't see
it as that big a deal because he said, we
weren't the only team that was doing that. A lot
of teams do that in different ways. I said, okay,
So we got around to I told a story about
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Randy Johnson tipping his pitch and that players were afraid
to tell him that he was tipping his pitches for
some reason because Randy would you know, he had a scowl.
You didn't want to approach Randy Johnson. And they this
guy said, well, we've found out with Clayton Kershaw that
he was tipping his pitches. And I go were you
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noticing he goes He would go into his glove, and
if he went into his glove in a certain way,
we would read his forearm, his left forearm, so he
would go in, and the tension of how he grabbed
the ball. So if it's breaking ball, and I don't
remember if it was breaking ball, change up, curveball, whatever
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it was, they would read his left forearm and they
would see how it looked different. Now once again, this
is this is minutia. But how he went into his glove.
And if you see when Kershaw goes into his glove,
I mean he's it's like he's, you know, picking up something.
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You know, it's like really small and he's going to
pick up. And he went in and they would read
his forearm and that told them what kind of pitch
he was thrown. I don't know if that's ever been
made public. Maybe there's other information out there. We know
teams have picked up on him tipping his pitches, but
you know, I think the Cardinals probably did. Yeah, but
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this is somebody who was in the Astros organization.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Yes, I can remember a bunch of years ago we
had Andy Pettitt, the great pitcher from the Yankees on
the show, and you asked him something about how he
remember he used to have his mit right in front
of his eyes. Yeah, he said he watched tape on
himself and tried to make every delivery look the same,
like how it released where his feet were, and he
would watch his own video to see if he was tipping,
to try to mask it by having every delivery look
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the same a place.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Well, yeah, I mean that makes sense because if you're
throwing a fastball or a change up, you wanted to
look the same. Johan Santana, we did a side by
side on Sports Center and Baseball tonight years ago when
I was there and Johann Santana, great lefty, and I
just remember Harold Reynolds putting side by side and Johann
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Santana was delivering two different pitches. One was a fastball,
one was a change up, and I remember Harold Reynolds saying,
tell me which one he's throwing, and I went, Wow,
that's when you look and you go every pitch must
be delivered the same way. Randy Johnson, you know, could
go side arm and then you know people would pick
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up on that. You know, maybe he wasn't up around
eleven o'clock. He was down at you know, nine thirty,
and they would be able to pick up. So just
little things like that, you're looking for, you know, placement
of your feet, whatever it is, you're looking at, tension
on a forearm of what kind of pitch you're throwing. Unbelievable.
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But see, that's not sign stealing, you know, that's to me,
that's just being observant. Like there's certain things that are
just part of baseball. I'm watching this, I'm not peeking in.
You know, if you're a hitter and you peek back
at the you know, catcher, you're gonna get hit by
a pitch. But if somebody is doing something and I
can read that, that's not stealing.
Speaker 8 (32:14):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
The other things that the Astros did, that's stealing. But
I do believe that this former player was correct when
he said the Astros weren't the only ones who did it.
They were just blatant and they got caught. All right,
we'll take a break, play the day next.
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Oh my God.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Of the day, the play of the day. Check this
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Speaker 13 (32:52):
I know Tommy Bless it tosses a bat that ball
is wak on.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Pull the batters up right.
Speaker 13 (33:00):
We got a Unicorns sidning in Los Angeles. Two strikeouts
in the top of the first and hey, go ahead
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that's Carter c of AM five seventy LA Sports Dodgers
Radio Network. That's your play of the day. Otani gave
up a home run in the first inning and then
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hit a home run in the bottom of the first inning.
So the last time that somebody gave up a home
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that's three consecutive games. I think he's done that eleven times?
Is that in his career? Does that sound right?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Martin? Not sure with the official numbers on Otani? Checking?
All right, thank you? All right. A couple of phone
calls in here Scott in Cincinnati. Hi Scott, what's on
your mind today?
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Hey? Dan?
Speaker 8 (34:29):
How you doing?
Speaker 10 (34:29):
I played nineteen years in Scott's service pitcher, not the catcher,
because I did strike him out in Chicago, by the way,
But anyway, I got a little something about tipping pitches.
So when I was with Kansas City ninety seven through
ninety nine, Mike Swiney was my catcher, so I'm playing
against him in two thousand, I'm with Oakland and he said,
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served there's something I got to tell you, but I
can't tell you after the series. And I was like,
what he said, I can't tell you now. So I
come in to pitch a few games, a couple of
games and up like six runs in like two outings,
and after the series he says, well, I'm going to
tell you right now, when you're throwing a fastball, your
(35:11):
finger is off your gloves, fourball or slider, your your
finger is down on the gloves. So I end up
getting that little leather patch from my pointer finger. But yeah,
he ended up telling me afterwards, all right.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Well, thank you, Scott. Yeah, this was like so precise
that the astros could read the forearm of Clayton Kershaw.
Now once again, this is somebody in the organization, no
longer in the organization telling me that they would look
at and if you watch a windup of Kershaw, you'll
see when he goes into that glove, it's, you know,
(35:46):
very precise in how he's putting his hand in there.
And they were reading the tension inside part of his forum. Fascinating.
Doug in North Carolina, Hi, Doug, welcome back.
Speaker 11 (36:00):
I wish I could say it was a happy occasion
to be back, but unfortunately I have to talk about
scandal and controversy. I don't think you're aware of this
because you guys were off last week, but live on
the air. Rich Eisen and his team have accused Fritzy
of cheating in the family feud. They said their story
is that both teams were warmed ahead of time that
(36:21):
you cannot repeat an answer, that Fritzi in fact repeated
an answer of an Annette. Instead of getting an automatic strike,
he was allowed to give a second answer, and Rich
Eisen has announced that he's playing this game under protest.
Tyler in the back room boys do have an audio
clip of these allegations, and I just wanted to see
if you were Fritzy would like to comment. You know,
this comes right on the hills of Fritzy being accused
(36:43):
of cheating in pickaball by staying in the kitchen, and
it just feels like every time he exceeds and excels,
there's these allegations behind it. So do you guys want
to comment on this?
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Okay, I'm going to go to my IT team, but
thank you, Doug, Yes, Pauli, Yeah. Dan.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
During Celebrity Things feud, at one point when we went
down the line and Steve Harvey's asking the questions, Fritzy
half answered something that was already on the board and
they said no, no, and they gave him another shot.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
That's up to the judges.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
That's not cheating on our right in any way. The
judges make the call whether to let Fritzy finish answer
or not finished answer, So it wasn't on us.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Was that during Fast Money Todd?
Speaker 7 (37:24):
I don't, I honestly don't know what he's referring to.
If it's fast Money, that happens all the time. You
give the answer of the first person and then they
go the meaning give a second answer. If it was
during the actual game itself, I'd love to know what
that was that I was partially saying that was on
the board, But fast money, that happens all the time,
and then you have to give another answer because it
was already used. That's why they give you for extra
seconds on the second guy.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I thought it was during Fast Money that you might
have said something went yeah, well, well.
Speaker 7 (37:48):
You said flowers and I said roses, and then they
said you give another answer and they said jewelry. But
that's a common thing, you know that Again, That's why
they give you extra seconds the second player, because you
may repeat answers from the first person. But if it
was during the actual game, I don't know what that was.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
See, so I think what the Eyesen show is saying,
both of which to me are odd. There's only two options.
Either the Celebrity Family Feud, people don't know their own
rules of the game, or they deliberately bent them because
they wanted us to win and not Richiison, which also
seems very odd. You know, it's a funny thing about
(38:22):
when you're going through that process. We're there and we're
thinking of like content, like who had good jokes and
who had the funny moment, who had all this stuff?
And they actually have a game show that they have
to run. Yeah, it's like a real it's a real thing,
and there's like federal laws around it, and you have
to do it honestly.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
You have to do it by the book.
Speaker 6 (38:40):
And they have a game show that they have to
manage while finding all of this content too, and it's
like completely different mindsets.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah, so if they have a problem, take it up
with Steve Harvey, not us, and stop whining. You guys
got dominated, you got embarrassed, you got humiliated, and now
you're going to be crying and whining and a rematch.
You're not getting a rematch. And they did say this
right after we're celebrating that we won Celebrity Family Feud
(39:07):
and we're all there together, and then one of Eisen's guys, says, well,
you know you guys cheated. I'm like, are you Are
you kidding me? Right then, when we're jumping up and down,
you know you guys are cheated. They let Fritzie, they
gave him another opportunity. I go, what about all the
other answers you didn't have? Shut up,
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reporting today, and you've got a situation with the Cowboys
and the Cincinnati Bengals, and both of the owners of
those teams had something to say about the players who
were on the outside looking in. Trey Hendrickson his contract situation.
(01:09):
Mike Brown talked about that, and Jerry Jones of course
talked about Michaeh Parsons signing him to a contract extension.
I'll go back to what I talked to Albert Breer
about yesterday. He, of course the Monday Morning quarterback. If
you're going to eventually pay these players, why have any acrimony?
Why not just we know that Jerry Jones is going
(01:30):
to pay Michael Parsons, right. I have a hunch the
Bengals will pay Trey Hendrickson now. I'm sure they're saving money.
I'm sure that they have some business strategy here that I,
of course, with my limited education, wouldn't understand. But there's
also Jerry Jones, who loves being Jerry Jones. He loves
(01:51):
to be If he had already settled this Michael Parsons contract,
then maybe we would be just talking about the Cowboys
as a team and how good they're going to be.
But it's rarely that now, that'll happen later in the season.
But with Michaeh Parsons, Jerry Jones said this about signing
him to a contract extension.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Just because we signed him doesn't mean we're going to
have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously,
we've signed I remember signing a player for the highest
paid at the position in the league and he got
knocked out two thirds of the year, Dak Prescott. So
there's a lot of things you can think about and
just as the player does, when you're thinking about committing
(02:32):
and guaranteeing money.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Okay, you might think this, but you don't have to
say the quiet part out loud. Why because then all
of a sudden, now you're Michaeh Parsons. How do you
feel about this? You know, we go back to Dak
Prescott and I said, don't re sign him. And plus,
you gave him all that money. If you're going to
give somebody money, give it to Michaeh Parsons. But he
(02:56):
made Dak the highest paid quarterback coming off ankles. What's
the logic in that? And a guy who's now thirty
two can't stay healthy and you gave him all that
money that I don't understand your business philosophy. As for
Michael Parsons, yes, did he miss games. Yes, when he plays,
he's great. You got the Bengals situation with Trey Hendrickson.
(03:21):
All he's done is outperform every other edge rusher the
last two years. When it comes to sacks and the
NFL doesn't pay you on what you did, they pay
you on what they think you'll do. Here's the Bengals owner,
Mike Brown on Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
We aren't going to trade Trey. We're working to get
Trey signed as we speak here. There are guys over
in the office working to get that. We like Trey
as a person, he's a good guy. But when it
comes to these negotiations, and we've been through a few
of them with him, he pushes hard, he gets emotional.
(04:04):
We never have an easy time of it. But there's
one thing that is consistent. It always gets done. And
I think this one will.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Okay, it does get done. But why drag this out?
Why have this back and forth? It just doesn't help
the tone of the team. The Bengals should be thinking about, Hey,
how do we make the playoffs this year? Hey we
need a little defense if we're going to make the playoffs. Hey,
we spend all this money on offense, Can we stop anybody?
(04:35):
There're gonna be a lot of shootouts there with the Bengals,
why not just have Trey Hendrickson and whatever. You're gonna
give him a three year deal. Now, I know he's
four years I think four years older than Michael Parsons.
Well he's not Michaeh Parsons, but he is really good
at what he is paid to do. It's just the
Bengals are notoriously cheap with this, and that's unfortunate because
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you spend all this money on your wide receivers and
your quarterback. Your quarterback said I need those guys. Now,
I don't know if Joe Burrell said, hey, by the way,
I also need somebody who can stop somebody. So I'm
not on the field and I have to score touchdowns
every single time I'm out there. But maybe that would
have helped. But now you look at these situations, now,
will they get done? Yes? I just these are different
(05:22):
approaches because Mike Brown doesn't say much, Jerry Jones says
too much. And I don't know why you bring up
something with Dak Prescott. I don't know why you bring
up something with Micah Parsons. Now, I know he loves
to be in the headlines and the Cowboys are constantly
in the headlines. Nobody has produced less but gained more
attention in the history of sports than the Dallas Cowboys,
(05:46):
And here we are again, Yeah pulling.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
I was actually more bothered by the Bengals owner Mike
Brown calling Trey Hendricken emotional about his contract situation. This
guy's thirty years old. This is his last chance to
get paid. He gets rough, He's never gotten the monster contract.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
This is it.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
This is his livelihood for him and his family the
rest of his life. You could see why be emotional
about it.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, But just because you're emotional about it, I have
to look, it's still a business. He's thirty four, it's
a business. What do I want to pay him? Am
I going to pay him t J. Watt, Michael Parsons,
Miles Garrett money? No, I'm not. And you would think
you would earn it based off what you've done, but
that's not the way it works. Certainly what the Bengals
(06:31):
approach is on this with Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Yeah, wouldn't Mike Brown be dealing with Trey Hendrickson's agent?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, So what is the like? I mean, maybe I'm just.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
Being naive, but the whole like, well, you know, he
gets really emotional and all this he pushes hard when
he gets emotional. Is that his agent telling Mike Brown that, well,
you know, my client is really emotional about this, or
is he just projecting it through the agent? Is that
the whole point of dealing with an agent is so
that you can do exactly what you just said. You
remove emotion from it and now this is just business.
(07:04):
It's just us too. It's not the player who's going
to be emotional about it. It's just me, the agent
and the owner.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's it. I think Trey has had some comments, you know,
the last couple of months, so I think that's the
emotional part of it. But I'm surprised that you do
bring up emotion. Yes, this is your contract. Mike Brown's
going to have fifteen contracts to deal with. This is
the only one Trey Hendrickson has. And of course you
would be emotional. You've given everything to the team, You've
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played hard, you've outperformed your contract. But you know that
if you look at the why the NFL is so successful,
it is a league that favors owners and fans, so
we get we get to consume. It's great for us,
and it's great for the owners, not necessarily great for
the players. And now you have this turmoil with the
(07:54):
NFL Players Association. Where is there collusion?
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Was there?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
You know, the players Association in cahoots with owners to
try to stop these guaranteed contracts after Deshaun Watson. I mean,
there's a whole lot going on here. And I think TJ.
Watt got his deal done. He got it in his
salary that we said, this is probably where he's landing
around forty or forty one million dollars. I just don't
(08:20):
understand why it has to be dragged out unless they say, well,
we can save X number of dollars by doing it
later on, Well, then just tell the player, Hey, we're
going to get this done. Let's just keep it quiet.
No need to go back and forth. But that's the
problem with this. It just feels like it's unwanted attention.
(08:42):
Now Jerry loves it. He doesn't care. And I didn't
realize this. And I remember that you had a couple
of analysts who came on the show and they said,
he loves this. He loves the attention more than anything else.
It's not about winning, it's about the attention that he
gets in the process, And I said, well, if he wins,
(09:02):
he'll get a whole lot of attention. But you get
addicted to that. Hey, are they talking about our team? Yeah,
they are. It doesn't matter. You know, that's one of
those Any publicity is good publicity. Jerry Jones subscribes to that,
and that's unfortunate. Yes, John, if they're ultimately.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
Going to pay Parsons, so is this a game of chicken?
What is going to change with his ability or what
the numbers are going to be? Jones is going to
all of a sudden pay him sooner. The agent's gonna
take less from the Cowboys because they're concerned he's not
going to get the money that he wants.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
No.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
He even said, well, you could get hit by a car,
like what is Yes, yes, that is true. He could
get hit by a car, he get hit by lightning.
There could be a lot of bad things that happen.
But if you're saying, well, we don't know, I mean, Jerry,
you've made bad decisions contract wise before. I don't think
(09:54):
this is a bad contract decision. He's going to cost you.
You need him right now. You're an ap average team.
You overpaid it. Quarterback you have drafted pretty well. Somebody
in the front office must be doing a great job
because they have had some surprise picks. And Jerry you know,
(10:14):
famously had some bad picks, whether it's a head coach
or keeping himself as the GM. Some of the signings
that he has, this one seems logical of all the signings. Now,
I love Cdee Lamb. I thought, okay pay him, and
Michael Parsons is a great disruptor. Dak Prescott is not
a great quarterback. He's not a top ten quarterback, but
(10:37):
you paid him that way coming off ankle surgery. Yes, yeah, Paulin, Yeah,
that's exactly right. Michaeh.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Parsons is exactly the case of giving the contract as
fast as you can. Michael Parsons in four years, three
time All Pro, four time Pro bowler, He's twenty five
years old. He's technically entering his prime. This seems like
the smartest money. It's like the Joe Burrow contract. If
through the Bengal you're happy to give Joe Burrow the
most money in quarterback history at the time because all
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he did was play well for you, and now he's
entering that second contract. He lived up to the draft
pick exactly what you want as an owner. It's like,
the only smart money is that second contract of a
sure thing player.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I want to make sure I got this correct. Trey
Hendrickson is he's thirty thirty, ok Sarson's is twenty six, Okay,
so four years older. Okay. I don't know if I
said thirty four, but I think this sack total was
thirty five maybe over the last two years. But I'm
going to go back to the beginning of last season,
and Seaton brought this up and we're just having a
(11:37):
casual conversation. He goes, you know the Cowboys there, it's
a weird situation they're in. You want dak to play well,
Cede Lamb to play well, Micah Parsons to play well,
but as a result, you must pay them, so they're
going to live up to where you drafted them or
how they performed. But then that can be a negative
because you do have to pay these guys one thirty
(12:01):
million dollars, one forty and one sixty million dollars. Well,
that's three players where you got one hundred and thirty
million dollars each season with these guys, and you don't
have the performance that goes along with it because of
the other players on the team. So it was kind
of a good situation, but it was gonna go bad
(12:21):
because if they played well, you have to pay them
commensurate to that, and that's exactly what happened. These guys
are going to be Michael will be the highest paid
non quarterback in the NFL. You got Dak who's the
highest paid quarterback, and Ceedee Lamb, who's what top five
wide receiver with what he's getting paid. Those are good
(12:42):
things that they play well. It's just I never would
assign Dak Prescott to that contract extension yas Paul.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
But you could go back to a mistake off a
player who played well, Ezekiel Ellett. Elliott drafted in twenty sixteen,
sixteen hundred yards, one thousand yards, fifteen hundred yards, fourteen
hundred yards, carried the ball more than anyone in the
sport for four straight years, and they gave him the
monstrous second contract where he started going downhill. But they
got caught up in we drafted a running back high,
(13:10):
he paid off, we must pay him when they'd been
should have done the discipline thing and not paid him.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, I said, you got everything you wanted out of him,
move on from him, and then Jerry signs the contract
extension even brings back Zeke Elliott again for another curtain call.
You know, if you're loyal, great, But if you're loyal,
don't say things publicly about Michael Parsons or Dak Prescott
or anybody else on the team. It just sometimes he
(13:39):
acts like he's a caller to a radio station and
that's unfortunate. All right, we'll take a break. We'll settle
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Speaker 2 (15:10):
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(15:32):
Paul is back with the Clippers. He's forty years of age.
As a result, the Clippers are the oldest team based
on the current roster. The average age is twenty nine years,
one hundred and thirty two days, So that's almost a
full year older than the next oldest team, the Rockets.
So the Rockets adding Durant and the Clippers adding Chris
(15:56):
Paul's of course runs that number up a lot higher,
and they're almost two full years older than the next
team on the list, the Sacramento Kings. Their average age
is just over twenty seven years. The youngest team in
the NBA right now, your Brooklyn Nets at twenty three years,
one hundred and thirty three days.
Speaker 8 (16:19):
Wow.
Speaker 9 (16:21):
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Speaker 2 (16:27):
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cards of the Dan Patrick Show Seeton. What is the
poll question for the first hour of this program.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
Oh, we got a few off of the same. We
might go a three pole question Hour one, might be
a three pole question Hour onereesome, Yeah, threesome, trifecta. Jerry
Jones dot dot dot shouldn't have said that or wasn't wrong?
Now it can be both, Yes, it is both it is,
(17:01):
but you have to pick one. He either shouldn't have
said that or what he said wasn't wrong.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I think he should not have said that. I mean,
that's your best player. That's that's your best player. You
don't need to say, hey, you know what he got
hurt last year, or you know he could get hit
by a car. It's you're going to pay him. You're
going to pay him a dollar more than TJ. Watt.
(17:28):
You're going to But let's not drag this out and
you if you say something privately to his agent, hey, hey,
you know see it from my perspective. Anytime you're in
a negotiation, you must see the other side of it.
And if you're an agent, you're like, all right, let
me look at what Jerry's looking at, and Jerry should
do the same. I don't know if Jerry does that
(17:50):
where he goes hey, you know, let me look at
this through the agent's eyes, so the player's eyes this
about me.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
Yes, that sounds a lot to me like Mike Brown's comments.
Maybe that's something you say to the agent you don't
need to say to everybody else. Man, your guy's a
little emotional.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yes, maybe we could take the emotion out of this.
He's really pushing hard. He's a little emotional. I mean
to me, that's a silly comment, Like this is this
guy's livelihood. This will be probably the last contract he
makes in the NFL, his last chance set his family
up for life. You've played, performed admirably at a all
(18:29):
pro level the last two years. He wants something that
is exemplary to hey, look at what I did for you.
Can you do something for me? And Mike Brown said, hey,
you're a little emotional. Yes, because this is my contract.
That's a silly comment by Mike Brown. I want somebody
(18:51):
who cares. I want somebody who's emotional. If he went
in there and he went whatever emotional would be. You know, well,
why don't you trade me? Get me out of here.
This is a cheap organization. I'll go someplace where somebody
wants me. That would be emotional. This is just normal.
That's You're just you're fighting for every dollar and that's
(19:13):
all he's doing. No, Yeah, Paulie, I actually.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Weirdly like that. Jerry Jones said it. At least he's
somewhat transparent about how most owners think of players as
pawns or pieces that are interchangeable except for the highest
end quarterbacks and things like that. And it's almost refreshing
to hear honesty. While it doesn't help the Cowboys or
the situation.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
But are you going to pay him? Yeah? Okay, then
why say it?
Speaker 10 (19:39):
I try.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
I think he's trying to explain that I'm doing everything
I can to make sure I pay as least amount
I can of the big contract I'm about to give
this guy, which is weird.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
What about the logic of what you did with Dak Prescott.
Now you can say, Wow, you learned from his mistakes.
You gave Dak Prescott far too much money. You did
that to him, and Michael Parsons is your best team,
best player. Michael Parsons is one of the top ten
players probably in the NFL as far as impact on
(20:11):
a game. Michael Parsons is that. Now you can say Hey,
he gets injured, that's what you say to the agent. Hey,
we're starting to get nicked up a little bit here.
That's a concern I have. We love his performance, we
love his passion. We got to have him. But understand
where I'm coming from, Like, that's what a negotiation is.
And I went through negotiations before. Now I made him
(20:34):
public because I thought they were humorous after the fact,
when I had Mark Shapiro, who was my boss for
years at ESPN, told my agent that I'm over the
hill and I'll never get another job, and I thought, wow.
And of course, of course I re signed a bad
deal at ESPN. But that's on me because I'm like,
maybe he's right, Maybe I'm old and I'll never get
(20:56):
another job. He said it to my agent, it ly,
he didn't say it publicly where you know, put it
in the newspaper. He's over the hill and never get
another job, to which my wife said, well, then why
is he offering you a contract if you're over the
hill when nobody else is going to hire you. I go,
that's good logic, hun, But I already signed the contract,
(21:18):
so you don't have to say it. I mean, I look,
it's good content that he said it publicly. I just
don't think it's professional. I don't think that that's how
an owner should act privately. There's a lot of things
that go on privately, but they stay private. This is unfortunate.
Now do they move past this?
Speaker 11 (21:36):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I mean that's not their biggest issue. Their big biggest
issue is trying to keep up with the Eagles and
the Commanders. That's the problem. And you know who helps
you do that. Michaeh. Parsons does. All right, So we
got a three four here with Jerry Jones. What are
the other two?
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Seaton more bothersome comments from Jerry Jones or Mike Brown.
Both of them are so they sort of split the
room a little bit, although I know I didn't really
appreciate Mike Brown's comments either.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I don't need to hear about he's emotional. Yeah, that's okay, great,
he's emotional. Did he perform for you? How was he
when he was on the football field? Is he emotional
because he's this contract who's been dragging out and he's
looking at all these other edge rushers getting paid and
he's sitting there going, uh, hello, hello, Yeah, Pauling.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
I went back to OTA's and Trey Hendrickson did talk
to the media. He showed up, he didn't work out.
He spoke to the media and he was I wouldn't
use the word emotional, but he was candid and he
said he goes. I was promised certain things after my
first time being All Pro and leading the league in sacks,
and now I'm asking for those things again. So you
could understand his frustration. If you're told, hey, man, you perform,
(22:52):
we're going to give you the boat, the big contract,
and then they push it back another year, you can
understand a guy's frustration he's done his job perfectly well.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
You also have the Bengals situation with their first round
draft pick who's not in camp, and they want language
in there that protects them. You know, everybody wants a
guaranteed contract. Now, every everybody wants everything guaranteed, but I
think there's language if you get arrested, then you know
you don't you're not gonna get paid. And I Mike
Brown said, hey, I don't want to pay somebody who's
in jail.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
I think I'm okay with that rule. If you're technically
in a cell.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Maybe I don't want to. I don't want to pay
somebody in jail either. Yeah, but you you're making that
big leap that somehow your first round draft pick is
could end up in jail or could end up in jail.
I should say, what are the other what's the other pole? Questionaire? Seton?
We got one more for you off of these.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
With NFL contract situations, I'm team dot dot dot owners
and league or players.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
What you side with on contract disputes in the NFL?
More well, it feels like fans would side with the
owner because players are interchangeable, but the owner, you know,
salary cap and what that means with ticket price. I
don't know. Maybe there's a trickle down there that you're like,
(24:15):
you know, I gotta trust that guy. I think you
want your player to get paid, But then when your
player doesn't deserve to get paid, that's when you side
with ownership. I mean, I wanted Saquon Barkley to get
paid and they weren't going to pay them. With the Giants,
and I go, well, good, good for you. Go to
the Eagles and we saw what happened there. But I
didn't go, well, I'm going to side with the Giants ownership.
(24:38):
You got to draw a line, and we probably do
that with other players. But you know, I mean, I
try not to comment too much on somebody's salaries, you know,
unless it has something to do with what it means
with other players, what it does with other quarterbacks, other
edge rushers, running backs, those kind of things, then you
(25:00):
can discuss it. But if you're willing to pay, all right,
you know, And I go back to Dak Prescott. I
have nothing against Dak Prescott. He's been very nice when
he's been on the show. But I just wouldn't have
paid him, you know, I just didn't understand that, Yes, Todd,
I would tend to.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
Sign with the players, even though we're not talking to
the average present can't deal with the or relate to
millions of dollars, But the average person working that feels
like they want to be compensated properly. They put in
a number of years and they get released, or they're
not held in high regard, or they feel like they're
being nickeled in dimes. So I would certainly make the
argument that fans, would, you know, side with the Platre
DP show.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
David in Ohio, Hi David, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Hey?
Speaker 12 (25:40):
Dan?
Speaker 10 (25:41):
Happy Tuesday.
Speaker 12 (25:43):
Yesterday, guys were talking about Scottie Scheffler and how great
of an athlete he is, which he is. I did
a little research and it looks like he's lives in Dallas, Texas.
So it's really great to see an athlete bring a
championship home to Dallas.
Speaker 11 (26:00):
Thank you, all right?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I see that a little shot there, thank you, David.
I think the over under for the Cowboys though, isn't
it like eight and a half, seven and a half,
eight and a half something like that.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Yeah, Paulie, it is, But three or four years ago
it was always ten and a half. Yeah, that's a drop, but.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
That's when they were winning thirteen games. Now, they did
have a run where they were winning games and then
they would lose famously in the postseason. Yes, Todd, I
wanted to add.
Speaker 7 (26:33):
One more thing about the emotional Hendrickson and Parsons and
people feeling that you could get the money that they deserve.
A sport like football more than any other sport, especially baseball,
best one. The risk of injury and CTE and getting
your head bashed in. I would be that much more
emotional playing the sport of football, feeling like I'm not
getting compensated what I deserve. Okay, it's okay for me
(26:54):
to have like possible brain injuries years from now, but
you're gonna Nickel and Dimey when I'm one of the
top ten players in the league.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Shelf life. You know, that's your career.
Speaker 10 (27:05):
You know, what is it?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Three and a half years on average. I did run
into a former player when we were in Tahoe and
he was kind of banged up, and I said, yeah,
but you know you got your medical you got your pension.
He goes, no, I don't. And I said, wait, the
NFL does not take care of you, and he said no, no,
(27:27):
And I was surprised at that because this is a
former Marquee player, good player, and I for some reason
thought that they had health benefits or that they would
take care of And this person has had a few surgery,
he's still not in great shape, had a few surgeries,
and for some reason I thought that you got to
(27:48):
a certain number of years you got your pension, that
they took care of you, and I was surprised at that.
I also ran into somebody, and this one was interesting,
and I don't know if this was made public, but
it had to do with Clayton Kershaw and you know,
tim chipping pitches. And I ran into somebody in the
(28:09):
Astros organization, used to be in the Astros organization, and
we started just talking and we got around to the
sign stealing with the Astros and the garbage cans, and
you know, he said, oh, that's garbage can. That wasn't
a big deal, he said, you know it was the
problem was we're looking at video in the hallway during
(28:29):
games and then relaying that. I said, well, yeah, you
got the information, then you relay it, and then you
bang garbage cans. So you know, he he didn't see
it as that big a deal because he said, we
weren't the only team that was doing that. A lot
of teams do that in different ways. I said, okay,
So we got around to I told a story about
(28:50):
Randy Johnson tipping his pitch and that players were afraid
to tell him that he was tipping his pitches for
some reason because Randy would you know, he had a scowl.
You didn't want to approach Randy Johnson. And they this
guy said, well, we've found out with Clayton Kershaw that
he was tipping his pitches. And I go were you
(29:13):
noticing he goes He would go into his glove, and
if he went into his glove in a certain way,
we would read his forearm, his left forearm, so he
would go in, and the tension of how he grabbed
the ball. So if it's breaking ball, and I don't
remember if it was breaking ball, change up, curveball, whatever
(29:35):
it was, they would read his left forearm and they
would see how it looked different. Now once again, this
is this is minutia. But how he went into his glove.
And if you see when Kershaw goes into his glove,
I mean he's it's like he's, you know, picking up something.
(29:57):
You know, it's like really small and he's going to
pick up. And he went in and they would read
his forearm and that told them what kind of pitch
he was thrown. I don't know if that's ever been
made public. Maybe there's other information out there. We know
teams have picked up on him tipping his pitches, but
you know, I think the Cardinals probably did. Yeah, but
(30:19):
this is somebody who was in the Astros organization.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Yes, I can remember a bunch of years ago we
had Andy Pettitt, the great pitcher from the Yankees on
the show, and you asked him something about how he
remember he used to have his mit right in front
of his eyes. Yeah, he said he watched tape on
himself and tried to make every delivery look the same,
like how it released where his feet were, and he
would watch his own video to see if he was tipping,
to try to mask it by having every delivery look
(30:44):
the same a place.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Well, yeah, I mean that makes sense because if you're
throwing a fastball or a change up, you wanted to
look the same. Johan Santana, we did a side by
side on Sports Center and Baseball tonight years ago when
I was there and Johann Santana, great lefty, and I
just remember Harold Reynolds putting side by side and Johann
(31:09):
Santana was delivering two different pitches. One was a fastball,
one was a change up, and I remember Harold Reynolds saying,
tell me which one he's throwing, and I went, Wow,
that's when you look and you go every pitch must
be delivered the same way. Randy Johnson, you know, could
go side arm and then you know people would pick
(31:30):
up on that. You know, maybe he wasn't up around
eleven o'clock. He was down at you know, nine thirty,
and they would be able to pick up. So just
little things like that, you're looking for, you know, placement
of your feet, whatever it is, you're looking at, tension
on a forearm of what kind of pitch you're throwing. Unbelievable.
(31:53):
But see, that's not sign stealing, you know, that's to me,
that's just being observant. Like there's certain things that are
just part of baseball. I'm watching this, I'm not peeking in.
You know, if you're a hitter and you peek back
at the you know, catcher, you're gonna get hit by
a pitch. But if somebody is doing something and I
can read that, that's not stealing.
Speaker 8 (32:14):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
The other things that the Astros did, that's stealing. But
I do believe that this former player was correct when
he said the Astros weren't the only ones who did it.
They were just blatant and they got caught. All right,
we'll take a break, play the day next.
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Speaker 5 (32:40):
Oh my God.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Of the day, the play of the day. Check this
out two to one.
Speaker 13 (32:52):
I know Tommy Bless it tosses a bat that ball
is wak on.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Pull the batters up right.
Speaker 13 (33:00):
We got a Unicorns sidning in Los Angeles. Two strikeouts
in the top of the first and hey, go ahead
blast in the bottom of the first two on Dodgers
that's Carter c of AM five seventy LA Sports Dodgers
Radio Network. That's your play of the day. Otani gave
up a home run in the first inning and then
(33:23):
hit a home run in the bottom of the first inning.
So the last time that somebody gave up a home
run and hit a home run in the first inning
was Randy Lurch of the Phillies in nineteen seventy nine
against the Chicago Cubs. Lurch, you rang play of the day.
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hit a leadoff home run, so O'tani's homerd I think
(34:08):
that's three consecutive games. I think he's done that eleven times?
Is that in his career? Does that sound right?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Martin? Not sure with the official numbers on Otani? Checking?
All right, thank you? All right. A couple of phone
calls in here Scott in Cincinnati. Hi Scott, what's on
your mind today?
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Hey? Dan?
Speaker 8 (34:29):
How you doing?
Speaker 10 (34:29):
I played nineteen years in Scott's service pitcher, not the catcher,
because I did strike him out in Chicago, by the way,
But anyway, I got a little something about tipping pitches.
So when I was with Kansas City ninety seven through
ninety nine, Mike Swiney was my catcher, so I'm playing
against him in two thousand, I'm with Oakland and he said,
(34:50):
served there's something I got to tell you, but I
can't tell you after the series. And I was like,
what he said, I can't tell you now. So I
come in to pitch a few games, a couple of
games and up like six runs in like two outings,
and after the series he says, well, I'm going to
tell you right now, when you're throwing a fastball, your
(35:11):
finger is off your gloves, fourball or slider, your your
finger is down on the gloves. So I end up
getting that little leather patch from my pointer finger. But yeah,
he ended up telling me afterwards, all right.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Well, thank you, Scott. Yeah, this was like so precise
that the astros could read the forearm of Clayton Kershaw.
Now once again, this is somebody in the organization, no
longer in the organization telling me that they would look
at and if you watch a windup of Kershaw, you'll
see when he goes into that glove, it's, you know,
(35:46):
very precise in how he's putting his hand in there.
And they were reading the tension inside part of his forum. Fascinating.
Doug in North Carolina, Hi, Doug, welcome back.
Speaker 11 (36:00):
I wish I could say it was a happy occasion
to be back, but unfortunately I have to talk about
scandal and controversy. I don't think you're aware of this
because you guys were off last week, but live on
the air. Rich Eisen and his team have accused Fritzy
of cheating in the family feud. They said their story
is that both teams were warmed ahead of time that
(36:21):
you cannot repeat an answer, that Fritzi in fact repeated
an answer of an Annette. Instead of getting an automatic strike,
he was allowed to give a second answer, and Rich
Eisen has announced that he's playing this game under protest.
Tyler in the back room boys do have an audio
clip of these allegations, and I just wanted to see
if you were Fritzy would like to comment. You know,
this comes right on the hills of Fritzy being accused
(36:43):
of cheating in pickaball by staying in the kitchen, and
it just feels like every time he exceeds and excels,
there's these allegations behind it. So do you guys want
to comment on this?
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Okay, I'm going to go to my IT team, but
thank you, Doug, Yes, Pauli, Yeah. Dan.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
During Celebrity Things feud, at one point when we went
down the line and Steve Harvey's asking the questions, Fritzy
half answered something that was already on the board and
they said no, no, and they gave him another shot.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
That's up to the judges.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
That's not cheating on our right in any way. The
judges make the call whether to let Fritzy finish answer
or not finished answer, So it wasn't on us.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Was that during Fast Money Todd?
Speaker 7 (37:24):
I don't, I honestly don't know what he's referring to.
If it's fast Money, that happens all the time. You
give the answer of the first person and then they
go the meaning give a second answer. If it was
during the actual game itself, I'd love to know what
that was that I was partially saying that was on
the board, But fast money, that happens all the time,
and then you have to give another answer because it
was already used. That's why they give you for extra
seconds on the second guy.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I thought it was during Fast Money that you might
have said something went yeah, well, well.
Speaker 7 (37:48):
You said flowers and I said roses, and then they
said you give another answer and they said jewelry. But
that's a common thing, you know that Again, That's why
they give you extra seconds the second player, because you
may repeat answers from the first person. But if it
was during the actual game, I don't know what that was.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
See, so I think what the Eyesen show is saying,
both of which to me are odd. There's only two options.
Either the Celebrity Family Feud, people don't know their own
rules of the game, or they deliberately bent them because
they wanted us to win and not Richiison, which also
seems very odd. You know, it's a funny thing about
(38:22):
when you're going through that process. We're there and we're
thinking of like content, like who had good jokes and
who had the funny moment, who had all this stuff?
And they actually have a game show that they have
to run. Yeah, it's like a real it's a real thing,
and there's like federal laws around it, and you have
to do it honestly.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
You have to do it by the book.
Speaker 6 (38:40):
And they have a game show that they have to
manage while finding all of this content too, and it's
like completely different mindsets.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah, so if they have a problem, take it up
with Steve Harvey, not us, and stop whining. You guys
got dominated, you got embarrassed, you got humiliated, and now
you're going to be crying and whining and a rematch.
You're not getting a rematch. And they did say this
right after we're celebrating that we won Celebrity Family Feud
(39:07):
and we're all there together, and then one of Eisen's guys, says, well,
you know you guys cheated. I'm like, are you Are
you kidding me? Right then, when we're jumping up and down,
you know you guys are cheated. They let Fritzie, they
gave him another opportunity. I go, what about all the
other answers you didn't have? Shut up,
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!