September 19, 2024 • 41 mins
The Pro Football Hall of Fame announced its nominees for the Class of 2025 so Dan and the Danettes consider who should and shouldn’t get elected. And Padres slugger Manny Machado extended his franchise record for career homeruns last night, the lowest total by the HR leader of any team in the history of baseball.
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Any of these players going to be first ballot Hall
of Famers. Jordan Love back at practice, maybe maybe able
to play this weekend Seaton Pole Question today. By the way,
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I'm well, it's Thursday. You know what that means. No,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
It means Todt's got some poll questions. We usually get
them on Thursdays.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I don't know why that is, but Thursday.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I'm big on the Pointze's deepest thoughts in the Pole question.
He sent some yesterday that I thought were so in
a pro for it. I didn't even bother mentioning it
to anyone, but they were so cruel I was like,
you know what, let's just skip these. But these ones
so far at least I've quickly gone through.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
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Just I mean, Paulie is an expert on cruelty, thank you,
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way tire buying should be. My apologies. They were two
days ago, not yestera. Okay, so it was a terrible
Tuesday for time. Oh I just thought they were very cruel.
But these ones seem to be a little more, I
don't know, lighthearted, good spirited.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Okay, Todd, do you want to do the show?
Speaker 5 (02:57):
These should be more palatable. Do you mind being sold
by employee? You holds the same position, but just for
a bit longer a little Bryce Young, Kayler Blairs things.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
No, no, no, no, it wasn't Bryce YOUNGJJ.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Stroud and Kayleer Blaings.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
No. I appreciate the kindness and support. Yeah, I mind,
what are you my big brother mentor or something? Back off, dude,
those would be your choices.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Back off dude, Okay, Well, we'll play the interaction between
those two after the Bears lost to CJ. Stroud. He
was miked up for the encounter. There a little exchange there.
We'll talk about that coming up. What else do you
have time?
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Okay, a few more Bryce Young would be a lot
better on a team other than the Panthers, That is correct.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Nope, Pete still be terrible.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Everybody's got an opinion on this, even Baker Mayfield, who
had this to say about Bryce Young being benched.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
Quarterbacks hard, especially for young guys when you're not surrounded
with the pieces that internet not given the opportunity to
have success. A lot of the time, guys have the talent,
they might have the brains, but they don't have the
right opportunity, the right fit. I mean, I'm sitting here
right now in a way better fit than the other
places I've been. And that's that's not to put other
teams down, but it's a matter of the pieces around you,
the coaches, and for Bryce the guy that's I can
(04:15):
relate to this, finding that belief within yourself again and
he'll get it.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
His story's far far from finished. Okay, Baker is not
an expert witness here. He threw for twenty seven touchdowns
his first year in Cleveland. I think they made the playoffs.
Now he got injured, then fell out of favor, and
then got you know, kicked to the curb, had the
resurrection here in Tampa.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yes, Seaton right, he's definitely an expert though in places
not being the right fit for you, that is true,
you know, And I think that's really what he was
getting at, was like, you know, it's sometimes the first
placer two or three maybe that you end up at
isn't the right fit, but there's probably a good fit
for you somewhere in the league.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well, Baker, Cleveland was the right fit for him. They
had a good team, and then all of a sudden
it went south, and then he got the blame and
then all of a sudden he wasn't a good fit anymore. No,
it was not. Then he's you know, kicking stones Sam Donald,
same thing. It's almost like, you know, the Jets, we
use that they're the blame, not Sam Donald, the Jets
(05:14):
of the reason why Sam Donald couldn't play. Then he
you know, he ends up in San Francisco and now
he's in Minnesota. But I mean they didn't think highly
of him from the standpoint of they drafted JJ McCarthy.
So it's not like they go, hey, we don't need
a quarterback, We've got one. It was we got to
go get that guy. Now, Sam has played well the
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first two games. Good, but that's JJ McCarthy's job when
he gets healthy. It feels like, what else do you have, Todd?
Speaker 5 (05:43):
If the game situation called for it, would you intentionally
walk O Tony in his final regular season at that
while he's sitting on forty nine home runs?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Sorry but yes, no way.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
That's bush league and very weak sauce.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Okay, you brought this up earlier when I walked in
and I go, why are you bringing this ump?
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Yeah, you weren't that impressed by this. What's a hypothetical
interesting question.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
What if he's like, it's the seventh, eighth, ninth inning,
it's obviously barring something really weird, it's going to be
his last at bat.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
You're on the mound and the manager.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
But how about we wait until his final game?
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (06:14):
But o Todd, he's in the news and he just
got a little bit closer to the fifty to fifty.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I think this is the perfect time to till.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
No, it's not. It's not he's got ten games to go.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Yeah, but once he does in the next couple of
days and it becomes a hoot question, then he gets
the fifty. That's what I'm saying, eight games.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Why don't we I don't want to play the hypothetical.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I think it's a fun year.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Is the question hypothetical or is it hypothetically interesting?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Not really showing her? They think neither.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
If the game calls for him to be intentionally walked,
that's what you were doing, that to you, But like,
how can we do that?
Speaker 4 (06:41):
This is the last chance to get fifty to fifty
and you're going to walk him?
Speaker 7 (06:44):
Boom boom.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
And the final Paul thought is what's the best way
to decide who gets into the Hall of Fame? Looking
at stats, comparisons to similar players, and other research, or
just say his name out loud and quickly decide if
that sounds like he's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
That's always been the litmus test for me. When you
say Luke Keikley hall of Famer. Now there's a difference.
We know if you say their name, and then you
might go how many Pro Bowls did he win? Defensive
player there, like you might do a little research in
your head, but that's if you're a Hall of Famer.
(07:23):
You know, sometimes that'll be a first ballot Hall of
Famer where you just say their name, you go, oh yeah,
But then you might go maybe he is a first
ballot Hall of Famer, but he is a Hall of Famer,
and I think, like Earl Thomas, I would say he's
not a Hall of Famer. I think he needed a
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couple more years a keep to leab a really good player.
And thankfully I don't vote on this. Adam vinit Terry
is up. He's going to be a first ballot Hall
of Famer. Eli Manning first ballot Hall of Famer probably probably,
but he shouldn't be because if you go back, if
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David Tyree doesn't make the helmet catch, and Eli has
one Super Bowl one win and one loss, then he's
not going into the Hall of Fame. I mean it's
I think it's that close because they were what nine
and seven and ten, and during a season where they
I think went nine and seven, fans wanted Tom Kaonflin
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fired and they wanted Eli benched, and then they happened
to get on a magical run and they win the
Super Bowl. It just felt like throughout his career the
fans wanted somebody else at quarterback. Like it's hard to
say that about a Hall of Famer and a first
Balloon Hall of Famer. The name does help, and he
did beat the Patriots twice, but he was a five
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hundred quarterback during the regular season, and I think that
will be probably the tricky part with people. But I
get the feeling that Eli's going to be a first
Balloon Hall of Famers. Marsh On Lynch a Hall of Famer,
I would say no, I mean interesting, uh, good team,
(09:09):
hard runner, but I I mean no, So I would
say Luke Keakley is probably a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Is Terrell Suggs first ballot Hall of Famer? Kind of
overshadowed by other players on that Ravens team, but great player,
great player.
Speaker 8 (09:30):
Yeah, Pauline, I've got all the resumes. So you threw
out a name, I'll throw you some notes. Terrell Suggs
seven time Pro bowler, one All Pro, two time Super
Bowl champion, he won Defensive Player of the Year, he
won Rookie of the Year Defensive League.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
But first ballot Hall of Famer. See, that's what I'm joying.
I think he's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 8 (09:49):
I think the playing field he's up against, someone's got
to go in. It feels like it feels like that
there's a bunch of Hall of Very goods.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well, they I think have to take what six?
Speaker 9 (10:00):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (10:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Is that? I think there's a is there a minimum
there for Hall of Fame? I think, but a keep
to leave Hall of Famer.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
Five time Pro Bowler, one time All Pro, one time
Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Champion, Yeah, four teams. Well, he's not first ballot. Luke
Keickley feels like a first ballot Hall of Famer for
Luke Keickley.
Speaker 8 (10:27):
Here's the resume. Seven Pro Bowls, five time All Pro
you know. See that's that's that's when you get everybody's attention. Right,
If you look up All Pro and you get to five,
you're not going to find many guys who aren't in
the Hall of Fame. Defensive Player of the Year, Defensive
Rookie of the Year. He played only eight seasons, but
they were a Grade eight.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, and then concussions, you know, drove him out of
the game as well. Vernon Davis tight end I don't
think so because you look at his numbers compared to
the other players. He was a Pro Bowl player twice.
He's not going in the Hall of Fame. How about
one of my favorite players of all time, Darren Sprolls.
(11:06):
He's not going in the Hall of Fame, but I
want him on my team. Hey, right, like I want
Darren Sprolls. I remember when he was at Case State
and I remember coming in on a Monday after watching him,
I said, I think they were playing in the Big
twelve title game and I was like, that dude is awesome.
He was, but he's not going to go into the
(11:27):
Hall of Fame. Joe Staley does Joe Staley? Does he
a tackle? Does he go in the Hall of Fame?
Six Pro Bowls? Played on good teams? Yeah? I don't.
Once again, I'm glad that I don't vote, because it
is I mean, you just stay in that room and
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you have people, you know, speaking on somebody's behalf, and
then all of a sudden, you know, they enlighten you
on Hey I covered this guy or this guy played
in a different era and most of you weren't watching
the NFL then, Like that's what's fun about it where
you get to learn maybe just how great somebody was
compared to their counterparts. There and Twine Bethea, I don't
(12:12):
know enough about him. Three Pro Bowls, Yeah, that's not
going to get you in anybody else. Demrius Thomas, No,
he's not gonna be a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 8 (12:21):
Going back to Earl Thomas, he has seven Pro Bowls,
three time first team All Pro, Super Bowl champion. You
get a couple of bonus points if your career ends
early due to injury. It's almost like with football, who's
the off of the attack on the Jaguars Tony Besella got?
Speaker 10 (12:38):
You know, it's like what could have been?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah? Yes, Marv, you.
Speaker 11 (12:42):
Know what what Earl Thomas? I think the interception from
Malcolm Butler hurt him as much as it hurts Russell
Wilson because he would have been one of the guys
on the legion of Boom defense to help the Seahawks
to two Super Bowls. So it would have been one
of those type of hey, remember, hey, who's the safety
or old Thomas? They won a couple of Super Bowls
for the Seahawks and he would have been in.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
But it feels like I don't know. Is it fair
to compare him to other free safeties. And if you're
compare him to Ed Reid, don't do that, right, don't
do that. I mean Ed Reid was unbelievable. Not only
you know, a great player, but if he had an interception,
chances are he was going to try to take it
(13:25):
back for a touchdown. Yes, Mark, he was so good.
Speaker 11 (13:28):
Bill Belichick gets excited talking about Ed Reed, and he
talks about Ed Reid the way he talks about Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah. Yeah, Kelly. You look at these Super Bowls and
what they mean for certain players. If you don't have
that incredible helmet catch, Eli's not in the Hall of Fame.
If Philip Rivers had a Super Bowl, if Romo had
a Super Bowl, if Phil Sims got a second Super Bowl.
(13:55):
Russell Wilson has better stats, regular seasons, overwhelming better than Eli,
but he lost to Super Bowl. He did win one,
but he lost one, and he might be playing his
way out of being a Hall of Famer. I still
go that's so, it's just crystallized in my mind. I'm
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standing underneath the goalpost and I'm thinking Seattle is going
to win the Super Bowl and I'm staring at Marshaun
Lynch because I know he's getting the ball. He's going
to run right at me, and I'm going to be
up on the podium and he'll be up there getting
a Super Bowl trophy. And all of a sudden, it
was oh no. And then I went oll bleep and
(14:39):
I go, oh my god, they almost intercepted that. And
then all of a sudden, Malcolm Butler comes up with
the ball and I go, there's no way that he
intercepted that ball. And then when you saw it, you go,
he just won the Super Bowl. And what that meant?
I mean, Pete Carroll would have another Super Bowl? Now
is he a Hall of Famer? Does he not get
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into the Hall of Fame because he lost to Super Bowl?
Just you know, the fallout from these Super Bowls is incredible.
I mean, Brady, you know with Vin Terry kick in
the last second field goal, Malcolm Butler with the interro,
you need to have help.
Speaker 8 (15:18):
Yeah, Paul Vinitarry is the best example of them all.
He's going to go to the Hall of Fame as
a kicker. Now that's the hardest route. He's got three
Pro Bowls, three All Pros, four time super Bowl champion.
He's a famous kicker. It's hard to be famous.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yes, you know, you could even expand what you were
just saying about how important super Bowls are here to
how much just the fact of having playoffs has impacted
all of these Hall of Fame chances and careers. I mean,
if you didn't happen, if you didn't have expanded playoffs
and so you just had AFC play NFC like a
(15:52):
traditional super Bowl, probably would have been a lot of
these things that you're talking about look totally different. The
Chargers probably have one, Lamar Jackson probably already has one.
There's probably a whole bunch of teams that and players
that are trying to get into the Hall of Fame
whose careers would be completely different if the expanded playoffs
didn't exist.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Well, you could even look back at UCLA basketball, if
you know, there were thirty two teams in the field
and they usually had a home court advantage through most
of the tournament there. Now, they were a great team,
but you didn't have to go through a lot of
teams to get to the championship game back then. Or
if you go back to the Yankees, you know when
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they're facing the Red Sox. Red Sox didn't get past
the Yankees. Therefore, Ted Williams wasn't playing in the postseason,
the Red Sox weren't winning. Yankees did. Then it you know,
it's a little bit easier to get to the World Series.
You don't have as many playoff games, but we do
credit the playoffs or somebody gets to the playoffs now
could be as a wild card and we're like, yeah,
(16:54):
it's okay. I mean, the Giants wouldn't have won a
Super Bowl in you know, decades before because there wouldn't
have been the wild card in there. Now, once they
got in there, they ended up winning. But it is
really tricky when you're trying to navigate careers and say
hall of famer, not a Hall of famer. All right,
we'll take a break when we come back.
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Speaker 2 (18:35):
We'll settle on our poll question. Todd has some leftover
poll questions from Tuesday that were deemed a little too harsh,
a little too insensitive, but we're exploring those just to
see if maybe we can bring those back. We'll get
some phone calls coming up at eight seven to seven
three DP show. I have a friend who just emailed
me and he says, longtime caller, first time listener. He
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may not be a first ballot Hall of Famer, but
he's a Hall of Famer. Marshawn Lynch combined rush and
pass catching signature moments. He ran like a man in
the middle of a naked prison fight. I don't know
if Marshawn lynch running style has ever been described that way,
but it has now. You can put that on his
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Hall of Fame bust. He ran like a man in
the middle of a naked prison fight. Okay, I'm going
to take your word on that is Marshawn Lynch Hall
of Famer. I have the resume here.
Speaker 8 (19:35):
I got six thousand yard seasons plus, led the league
in touchdown runs.
Speaker 10 (19:41):
Twice, eight Pro Bowls.
Speaker 8 (19:44):
YEP, hold on, check that five Pro Bowls, five Pro Bowls, okay,
one All Pro, one Super Bowl champion, ten thousand career
rushing yards, which isn't automatic anymore. Yeah, not a high
end receiver. He had like two hundred and fifty catches.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
His persona, though, is bigger than his stats.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, but he didn't have a moment like he had
a couple of runs. Right, But we're talking about Vinitary's
going into the Hall of Fame based really on three moments.
There was the game against the Rams, the Super Bowl
game against Carolina's Super Bowl, and then the Raiders in
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that snowy game in Foxborough, the Tuck game in the
Tuck rule, those three moments. As a kicker, you know,
Justin Tucker to me, is a better kicker than Vinetary.
He just hasn't had those moments like Adam. And Adam
won two Super Bowls at the very end with kicks,
and he had the kick in the snow against the Raiders. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
See, but his moment was put in Malcolm Butler's hands. Yes,
you know, I mean that was he Everybody knew on
that drive, including Bill Belichick. There's no way you're stopping
Marshawn from getting in the end zone.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
No way. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
So he if to me when you say his name
is absolutely a Hall of fame Okay, absolutely, And now
I haven't looked at all of the stuff that you
guys just looked at, but just sort of that the
eye test. Yeah, hell yeah, he was unstoppable for that
window of time.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Okay. I mean I may sit corrected here, but I
guess I just I didn't know if he had the
numbers to go along with what we deem a you know,
Hall of Fame worthy at that position.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I'm definitely not saying that you're you're wrong, you know
what I mean. I'm just saying that's for some people
when you have that If we're looking at he needs
the moment. That would have been his second super Bowl
and he would have been the guy the sort of
like the catalyst of that, and everybody knows why didn't
they just give it to Marshawn and you would have
won the Super Bowl. That that's kind of his moment,
is the not having the moment? If that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
We didn't you have the great run against the Saints
in the playoffs. Does that sound right that that was
a signature moment. But if he's plowing into the end
zone against the Patriots to beat the Patriots, you know
that's that signature, standalone moment. Yeah, maybe he is a
Hall of Famer, but he wasn't a pass catcher. It
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was he ran hard. It felt like the defense got
more credit. Pete Carroll got more credit, and then all
of a sudden it kind of trickled down off the
Christmas tree to you know, Russell Wilson. You know, they're
kind of winning with Russell Wilson, but really it's the
defense and then you know Marshawn Lynch or maybe Marshawn
Lynch and then Russell Wilson. Yeah, Pauling, what.
Speaker 8 (22:36):
Could help Marshawn's case. He has a nine hundred and
seventy yards rushing in the postseason for his career, which
is sixth all time, and he also ran for more
yards per carry. It if it's splitting Harris and they're
that committee, they look at that kind of stuff.
Speaker 11 (22:50):
Okay, yes, Marvin, do you think in time we might
treat the Seahawks like we treat the Buffalo Bills like
you know what, we might not give him much as
much credit as they deserve, but going over it, you
know later on in time. So like Marv Levy's and
Andrea Reid's and Jim Kelly's in Brude Smithson.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
I never understood you lose the Super Bowl and all
of a sudden you're a bum we treated for years.
You get blown out in the Super Bowl and you're like, oh,
the Bills are terrible, and I'm like, they went to
four consecutive Super Bowls, they lost to better teams.
Speaker 11 (23:23):
So we might treat that super Bowl against the Patriots like,
oh my gosh, they were just one run away from
winning two Super Bowls. So is Richard Sherman getting in?
Is Cam Chanceller getting in? Earl Thomas Russell, Wilson, Marshawn Lynch,
Pete Carroll. Those are six guys that their lives are changed,
or you know, their Hall of Fame candidcy is changed
because of that one run or one pass.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah. Yeah, and it shouldn't come, you know, And we
should look at Jim Kelly the way we look at
other great quarterbacks, but we don't. He went to four
Super Bowls and they got roughed up, and therefore we
it diminishes their entire season. That's not fair. You know,
the Vikings losing those super bowls, you know, and it
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stays with the voters like they they viewed them as inferior,
not as good because they lost a super Bowl, like
Jim Marshall. Jim Marshall was unbelievable. But you know, we
hold it against these quarterback Joe Capp. You know, you
lose the Super Bowl, you're not any good. Chuck Foreman,
(24:27):
you know, they just Sammy White. They had great players,
but we some I think consciously subconsciously we go, oh,
you know what, they lost a couple of super Bowls there,
Yes they did, but they still got to the Super Bowl. Now,
who's going four consecutive times? I mean, nobody's ever done
(24:48):
that before.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
Yeah, Pauling, I think Marvin's on is something we may
need more time to dive into. This the single most
impactful play on legacies in NFL history easily, you could
say the Malcolm Butler interception. It helps all the Patriots
guys clearly, but it hurts Marshawn, it hurts Pete Carroll,
all the guys.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
He just well, it hurts Russell Wills Russell completely.
Speaker 8 (25:10):
I mean that's if he doesn't get in the Hall
of Fame. It's that you can hit on one play,
the David Tyree catch that gets Eliah Hall of Fame ring. Yeah,
you could make the case that, you know, if you
want to go deeper dive.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
And the Patriots would have another Super Bowl, right, they
could have two more because you know the Giants had
last second clutch moments there to beat them, certainly with
David Tyree. So you would add one more super Bowl
for Belichick and Tom Brady their resume. And I don't
know if there's other people who are they like their
(25:43):
Hall of Fame candidacy would hinge on that it's usually
coaches and quarterbacks. But for Marshawn Lynch to win a
Super Bowl and to be the guy who carries the
ball and scores the game winning touchdown, yeah, that could
be meaningful. I'm hearing from now a few friends, uh
beast quake, Like, what are you saying Marshawn Lynch is
(26:04):
not a Hall of Famer. So I'm hearing from Marshawn
Lynch proponents. Thank you, come after me, David and Oklahoma.
I'm fine if he's I just said I didn't think
he was a Hall of Famer. I didn't look at
his numbers.
Speaker 13 (26:17):
Hi, David, the first time a long time. I used
to listen to you when you had to still this
still the show killer back in the day and all
those guys, Yeah, way back in the day. What about
when Marshawn's moment against the Saints when they were like
a losing record and he broke to beast mooted them guys?
Ever since? Dan is like, I kind of watched him
in Buffalo, but then once you did that run, he's
(26:38):
just like, you know, went to the next level of awesomeness.
So that's I think that's a good moment for it is.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
And I'd mentioned that that I forgot that that was
in the postseason. Yep, absolutely Madden Tucson, Hi, Matt, with's
on your mind today?
Speaker 9 (26:52):
Hey, nothing against Marshawn Lynch, But if we are talking
about him and you can't forget Steven Jackson.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
For the range, I could, I mean I could forget
Steven Jackson.
Speaker 9 (27:11):
Well, look at his stats on a losing team for
a very long time. That guy was a horse.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Okay, we're gonna look at Steven Jackson's now. He was
a big running back. He hurt people, Yes, Paul.
Speaker 8 (27:29):
Yeah, this guy has some points. Steven Jackson eight straight
thousand yard seasons plus eleven thousand rushing yards. I'll give
him another. He's got four hundred and sixty one receptions.
He's in that Tiki Barber underrated cap.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Okay, is Steven Jackson a better candidate for the Hall
of Fame than Marshawn Lynch? You probably didn't think that
topic was coming up today. Now on paper, Stephen Jackson
looks like he has a better resume.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
Right, he played in four playoff games. Okay, that's where
it hurts. That's a big stage Marshawn had.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Okay, this is why it's so tricky when you're voting
for the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
You know.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Somebody is passionate about somebody and like, this guy changed
the whole culture of the Seahawks offense. And you're right
he did. But it really it was the defense that
got all the credit. It's like if you were an
offensive player for the Ravens when you had that great
defense there, that defense was getting all the credit. The
offense was getting blamed back then.
Speaker 11 (28:36):
Yes, Mark, going back to Super Bowl losers, when John
always losing those super bowls in the eighties. Now, looking
back on it, do you guys give him more credit
because that team may have not been the greatest talent wise,
but he just seemed to drag them to the.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yes, they were known for their defense. John Elway and
somebody can correct me, didn't have an all Pro offensive
skill position player besides him. The three Amigos were not
all pros orson Mobley, the tight end was not Ricky.
(29:10):
You know, they had Sewel, they had Rob Light. I mean,
they didn't have offensive weapons. They had one player I
believe that was their left tackle who was a Pro
Bowl player, and that was it. So we would see
Elway and they faced better teams, plain simple, they lost
to better teams. But John John, what he did with
(29:34):
those three that he got there was pretty pretty impressive.
Then he got there and then all of a sudden,
it's the offensive line in Tererrel Davis, which is true,
but he got to the Hall of Fame. Now when
people say, yeah, he lost three, well he won two.
You know, well that was Terrell Davis and okay, but
he got three. It's more impressive that he got those
(29:56):
three to the super Bowl and lost than the two
super Bowls that he won. But yeah, I mean sometimes
it's revisionist history. I just remember when you would lose
and get blown out. It was like people forgot about
your season like you would. You finished second, but you
might as well been, you know, the worst team in
the league.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
Yeah, Paulie, this is a wild stead. I saw this
and I didn't even think it was correct. John Elway,
who's probably at worst, top five quarterbacks of all time, right,
top seven all time at worst?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Is this his QBR in the Super Bowl?
Speaker 12 (30:29):
He?
Speaker 10 (30:30):
No, he never?
Speaker 8 (30:31):
He was never an All Pro? Not once in his career?
Was he first Team All Pro?
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Static?
Speaker 10 (30:37):
Why? Stad of the day?
Speaker 4 (30:39):
That best?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Stead of the day? Stead of the day? Wow?
Speaker 4 (30:43):
It comes that?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Why stead of the day? How do you win an
MVP and you're not All Pro as a quarterback?
Speaker 8 (30:54):
Nineteen eighty Fritzy nineteen eighty seven? Right, John Elwait, MVP,
second team All Bro's gonna give it to you.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Who was First Team All Pro in nineteen eighty seven?
Was it like Jim McMahon or somebody or no, No,
it would have been in the AFC? Right, Yeah? Well no,
All Pro is both AFC NFC, So who would have been? Montana?
Speaker 10 (31:24):
I have Joe Montana's all pro.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Well, was he in Kansas City? Then? I think Joe
was eighty seven? Still forty nine? Oh he was? Okay,
why are you yelling at me? More sounded like I mean,
it sounded like you were yelling at me.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Was I implying a yell?
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (31:46):
He was a Niner?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Dan, Okay, Todd, do you have something to interject?
Speaker 5 (31:52):
I think that's very disrespectful that Elway was not considering
the first team.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
That doesn't make any sense at all. Else, does a
guy you need to do?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Thank you, Todd?
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Because they lost thirty nine, five ten? What's the big deal?
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Finally get to the Broncos you have nothing to offer?
Well already, Well, how about we take a break. Okay,
I'm gonna play the sound with Caleb Williams and c
J Stroud. C J Stroud was miked up. I don't
know if Caleb Williams knew that c J. Stroud was
miked up either, but we'll have that exchange for you.
(32:26):
Up next is Play of the Day as well.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio. Wap, Oh my God,
the play of the day.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
God play. This is the play of the day. Check
this show three and twoda Machada Danny swings hits it
in the air to left field. Indep Albarez is back,
He's looking up.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
It's gonna go.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Anything you can do, I can do better.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
But Jota with his second of the day. He and
Fernando go back to back.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Padres are two and a half games up on the
Mets and Diamondbacks for the top wild card spot, three
and a half back of the Dodgers in the West
with nine games to play. Machado, by the way, is
the Padres all time leading home run hitter. He has
one hundred and sixty seven. Is that the lowest total
for all time team leader in home runs for a franchise?
Speaker 10 (33:35):
Wow? Give me thirty seconds.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
That's courtesy of the Padres Radio Network Play of the Day.
Play of the Day brought to you by King Sawaiian.
They want you to get together with family and friends
and enjoy the weekend, making every Sunday a slider Sunday.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
Yes, Pauli, I've got the list of every single MLB
team and their leading career home run hitter.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Okay, does anybody any franchise have somebody less than one
hundred and sixty seven?
Speaker 8 (34:03):
Uh, that's a hard no, even expansion franchises. Mana Machado
won sixty four. Uh, the Diamondbacks Luis Gonzalez at two
hundred and twenty four career home runs?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
What about the Montreal Expos that might have been Andre
Dawson's Yeah, seton.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I just wanted to point out that it took Paul
twenty five seconds to get that answer, not thirty. I
tracked it and you did well. Okay, shot clock Yeah, yeah,
those kind of those little details are underappreciated sometimes. Yeah,
he got that answer very quickly, and he gave me
five more seconds of air time.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Heancky, buddy. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (34:39):
The Blue Jays Carlos Delgado with three hundred and thirty six. Ooh,
the Rays two hundred and sixty one career home runs.
Who wants to guess you'll get it?
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Longoria?
Speaker 10 (34:52):
Evan Longoria whoop?
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Whoop? Okay, so uh oh.
Speaker 8 (34:58):
This is a surprise. The Guardians, which I think includes
the Indians history. Yes, only three hundred and thirty seven
for the career home run leader. H wait, but So
Jim Tomy is Jim Tomy with three thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I'm killing it today, killing yes, yes, Todd.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
I was gonna say, that's gotta be Tomy. I don't
even know who would be close.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
To Okay, raised my head.
Speaker 10 (35:23):
Should have given up that extra five seconds. Okay, here's
another one, George Brett. This kidding, I'll just giving you that.
Speaker 8 (35:31):
Right, White Sox four hundred and forty eight Homers, Harold Baines,
Frank Thomas.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Oh yeah, and she'll like it too.
Speaker 11 (35:44):
Yeah, yeah, how do you know that my wife will
like you?
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (35:51):
The Florida Slash Miami Marlins two hundred and sixty seven
career home runs.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Is it? Oh, you're gonna Jeff con That's what I
was going to guess.
Speaker 10 (36:03):
Jeff Conan is incorrect. Jean Carlos.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
A Mike Yeah, you guys say.
Speaker 10 (36:13):
And Carlo or John K Carlo.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Whatever?
Speaker 1 (36:21):
What an?
Speaker 2 (36:21):
What an overrated player? Man?
Speaker 11 (36:23):
Whoa?
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Wha Uh Okay, let me
get to this. C J. Stroud. So this is after
the game's Texans. No, I have to get to this.
This is a courtesy of NFL Film.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
C J.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Strouded the Texans is miked up and he goes over.
This is post game. You know, you always have the
quarterbacks the traditional post game hug. And here is c J.
Stroud talking to Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
I'll take it all.
Speaker 14 (36:59):
Yeah, well look Marfa Tho's mistakes and everything that you've
got vote is there. You already brough You don't be
a hell of a player in this league.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Yeah, Bob boy appreciate for so.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Okay, Caleb wants this to be over quickly. He's gotten
roughed up. They lost, and then c J. Stroud's like, no, no,
come here, and he brings him back in and you
can see Caleb's faces like, uh okay, I mean just
you're a second year player, like I just got here.
I played two games, but it felt like c J.
(37:31):
Stroud's miked up. Caleb Williams maybe doesn't know that he's
miked up. And then he wants to do a little
bit more for the camera.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
No, no, come on, Yes, there is a little bit
of like the hey, you're going to be a hell
of a player in this league, bro, how do you know? Well,
he did have a great rookie season. Lots of people
have great rookie seasons. Okay, and then Mac Jones had
a great rookie season. Oh, Baker Mayfield had a great
rookie season. I mean he's still around, but like, d
how do you know that? Why don't you figure out
(37:59):
how do you have a great year too? I think
he meant well. I know he definitely meant well. I
don't think that bringing him back in. I think that
was because he was miked up. Yeah, come here, come,
I gotta tell you this.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Okay, here is c J. Stroud.
Speaker 10 (38:16):
I don't a compliment you with three two one.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, let's let's do that again. Yeah, here is c J.
Stroud earlier this week about that interaction with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 14 (38:25):
You know me and Caleb, I don't I was not
trying to like treat him like I was trying to
like little bro him or nothing.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
He knows that too. I have a ton of respect
for him.
Speaker 14 (38:33):
I told him I respect for him, but I have
so much so many guys coming to me after James,
I hear, so I'll just try to get back to
what the game is given to me. So I wish
him the best man. I want him to do amazing
in this league. I think he will. I think that
he'll get his groove. And once you get your rhythm,
I didn't give my rhythm until like week three, week four,
so I can see him his game picking up from
from here and so, and you know, I don't think
(38:57):
he was trying to like, you know, being towards ay.
He's just upset that that they lost. I totally understand.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Okay, let's just be fair to it. We gave you
the context of it that that's how it sounded the
interaction there. I'm gonna guess Caleb Williams didn't know if
is wiked up? Does that matter here? And then he
comes back to explain his interaction.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Yes, see, this whole interaction is a big bunch of
nothing in the grand scheme of things. Really, it really
means nothing. However, it is kind of hilarious to just
read into it because the expressions, the expression on Caleb
Williams is maybe we're exaggerating it a bit, but he
was kind of like what and then c J Stroud
(39:40):
calling him back in It's just funny. I don't think
anybody meant any ill will either party. However, unsolicited advice
very rarely goes over well, very rarely is it like, oh, hey,
you know what, thank you. I appreciate that thank you.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Like when I lose this Sports Emmy to Bob Constace,
if he up to me after the Emmys are over
and he goes, hey, it's you're gonna get it one
of these days. Okay, Hey, man Doren, thank you, respect you. Hey, Hey, no, no,
come back in here. I might have a problem with
the hey, come back in here with Bob, Yes, Paul.
Speaker 8 (40:15):
But you wouldn't have the problem with the person doing it,
because Bob's ultimately very highly accomplished.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
He is, but I don't at that in that moment.
I don't want to hear from Bob Constance.
Speaker 8 (40:24):
Let's say Tom Brady we're still in the league and
he did the same move to Caleb Williams. I think
it would have a different tone. Yes, yes, or any
type of high end all pro Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
I mean c J.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Stroud's been around for twenty games, twenty one game, something
like that. Caleb might be like, dude, I know I'm
gonna be okay, No, no, come come here. Treated him
like Caleb lost a dog. Hey, it's gonna be okay,
(40:56):
I'm here for you. Okay, No, no, no, No, don't
come here. You put your head on my shoulder here,
just let it out, let it out.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
It's okay, and then keep your head up. Okay, dude,
you've been here five minutes longer than me. Everything you
gots inside, Dude, you just got here too.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
I love that. We well, we're not the only ones
reading into it because c J. Stroud wouldn't have said
that during his press conference if there wasn't some kind
of blowback there. Dude, you just got here, you big
broad him. Man, what is he a year older?
Speaker 4 (41:27):
You can't all have an amazing rookie year. You know
you'll be fine, Yeah, you'll be all right.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Don't worry about it. I got started, like my third game.
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(01:29):
Any of these players going to be first ballot Hall
of Famers. Jordan Love back at practice, maybe maybe able
to play this weekend Seaton Pole Question today. By the way,
if you're watching on Peacock, thank you for downloading the
I'm well, it's Thursday. You know what that means. No,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
It means Todt's got some poll questions. We usually get
them on Thursdays.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I don't know why that is, but Thursday.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I'm big on the Pointze's deepest thoughts in the Pole question.
He sent some yesterday that I thought were so in
a pro for it. I didn't even bother mentioning it
to anyone, but they were so cruel I was like,
you know what, let's just skip these. But these ones
so far at least I've quickly gone through.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Can you can you let Paulie see yesterday's potential poll questions?
Just I mean, Paulie is an expert on cruelty, thank you,
so he should be able to look at that and
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way tire buying should be. My apologies. They were two
days ago, not yestera. Okay, so it was a terrible
Tuesday for time. Oh I just thought they were very cruel.
But these ones seem to be a little more, I
don't know, lighthearted, good spirited.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Okay, Todd, do you want to do the show?
Speaker 5 (02:57):
These should be more palatable. Do you mind being sold
by employee? You holds the same position, but just for
a bit longer a little Bryce Young, Kayler Blairs things.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
No, no, no, no, it wasn't Bryce YOUNGJJ.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Stroud and Kayleer Blaings.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
No. I appreciate the kindness and support. Yeah, I mind,
what are you my big brother mentor or something? Back off, dude,
those would be your choices.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Back off dude, Okay, Well, we'll play the interaction between
those two after the Bears lost to CJ. Stroud. He
was miked up for the encounter. There a little exchange there.
We'll talk about that coming up. What else do you
have time?
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Okay, a few more Bryce Young would be a lot
better on a team other than the Panthers, That is correct.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Nope, Pete still be terrible.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Everybody's got an opinion on this, even Baker Mayfield, who
had this to say about Bryce Young being benched.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
Quarterbacks hard, especially for young guys when you're not surrounded
with the pieces that internet not given the opportunity to
have success. A lot of the time, guys have the talent,
they might have the brains, but they don't have the
right opportunity, the right fit. I mean, I'm sitting here
right now in a way better fit than the other
places I've been. And that's that's not to put other
teams down, but it's a matter of the pieces around you,
the coaches, and for Bryce the guy that's I can
(04:15):
relate to this, finding that belief within yourself again and
he'll get it.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
His story's far far from finished. Okay, Baker is not
an expert witness here. He threw for twenty seven touchdowns
his first year in Cleveland. I think they made the playoffs.
Now he got injured, then fell out of favor, and
then got you know, kicked to the curb, had the
resurrection here in Tampa.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yes, Seaton right, he's definitely an expert though in places
not being the right fit for you, that is true,
you know, And I think that's really what he was
getting at, was like, you know, it's sometimes the first
placer two or three maybe that you end up at
isn't the right fit, but there's probably a good fit
for you somewhere in the league.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well, Baker, Cleveland was the right fit for him. They
had a good team, and then all of a sudden
it went south, and then he got the blame and
then all of a sudden he wasn't a good fit anymore. No,
it was not. Then he's you know, kicking stones Sam Donald,
same thing. It's almost like, you know, the Jets, we
use that they're the blame, not Sam Donald, the Jets
(05:14):
of the reason why Sam Donald couldn't play. Then he
you know, he ends up in San Francisco and now
he's in Minnesota. But I mean they didn't think highly
of him from the standpoint of they drafted JJ McCarthy.
So it's not like they go, hey, we don't need
a quarterback, We've got one. It was we got to
go get that guy. Now, Sam has played well the
(05:35):
first two games. Good, but that's JJ McCarthy's job when
he gets healthy. It feels like, what else do you have, Todd?
Speaker 5 (05:43):
If the game situation called for it, would you intentionally
walk O Tony in his final regular season at that
while he's sitting on forty nine home runs?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Sorry but yes, no way.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
That's bush league and very weak sauce.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Okay, you brought this up earlier when I walked in
and I go, why are you bringing this ump?
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Yeah, you weren't that impressed by this. What's a hypothetical
interesting question.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
What if he's like, it's the seventh, eighth, ninth inning,
it's obviously barring something really weird, it's going to be
his last at bat.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
You're on the mound and the manager.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
But how about we wait until his final game?
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (06:14):
But o Todd, he's in the news and he just
got a little bit closer to the fifty to fifty.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I think this is the perfect time to till.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
No, it's not. It's not he's got ten games to go.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Yeah, but once he does in the next couple of
days and it becomes a hoot question, then he gets
the fifty. That's what I'm saying, eight games.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Why don't we I don't want to play the hypothetical.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I think it's a fun year.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Is the question hypothetical or is it hypothetically interesting?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Not really showing her? They think neither.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
If the game calls for him to be intentionally walked,
that's what you were doing, that to you, But like,
how can we do that?
Speaker 4 (06:41):
This is the last chance to get fifty to fifty
and you're going to walk him?
Speaker 7 (06:44):
Boom boom.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
And the final Paul thought is what's the best way
to decide who gets into the Hall of Fame? Looking
at stats, comparisons to similar players, and other research, or
just say his name out loud and quickly decide if
that sounds like he's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
That's always been the litmus test for me. When you
say Luke Keikley hall of Famer. Now there's a difference.
We know if you say their name, and then you
might go how many Pro Bowls did he win? Defensive
player there, like you might do a little research in
your head, but that's if you're a Hall of Famer.
(07:23):
You know, sometimes that'll be a first ballot Hall of
Famer where you just say their name, you go, oh yeah,
But then you might go maybe he is a first
ballot Hall of Famer, but he is a Hall of Famer,
and I think, like Earl Thomas, I would say he's
not a Hall of Famer. I think he needed a
(07:43):
couple more years a keep to leab a really good player.
And thankfully I don't vote on this. Adam vinit Terry
is up. He's going to be a first ballot Hall
of Famer. Eli Manning first ballot Hall of Famer probably probably,
but he shouldn't be because if you go back, if
(08:07):
David Tyree doesn't make the helmet catch, and Eli has
one Super Bowl one win and one loss, then he's
not going into the Hall of Fame. I mean it's
I think it's that close because they were what nine
and seven and ten, and during a season where they
I think went nine and seven, fans wanted Tom Kaonflin
(08:28):
fired and they wanted Eli benched, and then they happened
to get on a magical run and they win the
Super Bowl. It just felt like throughout his career the
fans wanted somebody else at quarterback. Like it's hard to
say that about a Hall of Famer and a first
Balloon Hall of Famer. The name does help, and he
did beat the Patriots twice, but he was a five
(08:49):
hundred quarterback during the regular season, and I think that
will be probably the tricky part with people. But I
get the feeling that Eli's going to be a first
Balloon Hall of Famers. Marsh On Lynch a Hall of Famer,
I would say no, I mean interesting, uh, good team,
(09:09):
hard runner, but I I mean no, So I would
say Luke Keakley is probably a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Is Terrell Suggs first ballot Hall of Famer? Kind of
overshadowed by other players on that Ravens team, but great player,
great player.
Speaker 8 (09:30):
Yeah, Pauline, I've got all the resumes. So you threw
out a name, I'll throw you some notes. Terrell Suggs
seven time Pro bowler, one All Pro, two time Super
Bowl champion, he won Defensive Player of the Year, he
won Rookie of the Year Defensive League.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
But first ballot Hall of Famer. See, that's what I'm joying.
I think he's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 8 (09:49):
I think the playing field he's up against, someone's got
to go in. It feels like it feels like that
there's a bunch of Hall of Very goods.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well, they I think have to take what six?
Speaker 9 (10:00):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (10:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Is that? I think there's a is there a minimum
there for Hall of Fame? I think, but a keep
to leave Hall of Famer.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
Five time Pro Bowler, one time All Pro, one time
Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Champion, Yeah, four teams. Well, he's not first ballot. Luke
Keickley feels like a first ballot Hall of Famer for
Luke Keickley.
Speaker 8 (10:27):
Here's the resume. Seven Pro Bowls, five time All Pro
you know. See that's that's that's when you get everybody's attention. Right,
If you look up All Pro and you get to five,
you're not going to find many guys who aren't in
the Hall of Fame. Defensive Player of the Year, Defensive
Rookie of the Year. He played only eight seasons, but
they were a Grade eight.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, and then concussions, you know, drove him out of
the game as well. Vernon Davis tight end I don't
think so because you look at his numbers compared to
the other players. He was a Pro Bowl player twice.
He's not going in the Hall of Fame. How about
one of my favorite players of all time, Darren Sprolls.
(11:06):
He's not going in the Hall of Fame, but I
want him on my team. Hey, right, like I want
Darren Sprolls. I remember when he was at Case State
and I remember coming in on a Monday after watching him,
I said, I think they were playing in the Big
twelve title game and I was like, that dude is awesome.
He was, but he's not going to go into the
(11:27):
Hall of Fame. Joe Staley does Joe Staley? Does he
a tackle? Does he go in the Hall of Fame?
Six Pro Bowls? Played on good teams? Yeah? I don't.
Once again, I'm glad that I don't vote, because it
is I mean, you just stay in that room and
(11:50):
you have people, you know, speaking on somebody's behalf, and
then all of a sudden, you know, they enlighten you
on Hey I covered this guy or this guy played
in a different era and most of you weren't watching
the NFL then, Like that's what's fun about it where
you get to learn maybe just how great somebody was
compared to their counterparts. There and Twine Bethea, I don't
(12:12):
know enough about him. Three Pro Bowls, Yeah, that's not
going to get you in anybody else. Demrius Thomas, No,
he's not gonna be a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 8 (12:21):
Going back to Earl Thomas, he has seven Pro Bowls,
three time first team All Pro, Super Bowl champion. You
get a couple of bonus points if your career ends
early due to injury. It's almost like with football, who's
the off of the attack on the Jaguars Tony Besella got?
Speaker 10 (12:38):
You know, it's like what could have been?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah? Yes, Marv, you.
Speaker 11 (12:42):
Know what what Earl Thomas? I think the interception from
Malcolm Butler hurt him as much as it hurts Russell
Wilson because he would have been one of the guys
on the legion of Boom defense to help the Seahawks
to two Super Bowls. So it would have been one
of those type of hey, remember, hey, who's the safety
or old Thomas? They won a couple of Super Bowls
for the Seahawks and he would have been in.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
But it feels like I don't know. Is it fair
to compare him to other free safeties. And if you're
compare him to Ed Reid, don't do that, right, don't
do that. I mean Ed Reid was unbelievable. Not only
you know, a great player, but if he had an interception,
chances are he was going to try to take it
(13:25):
back for a touchdown. Yes, Mark, he was so good.
Speaker 11 (13:28):
Bill Belichick gets excited talking about Ed Reed, and he
talks about Ed Reid the way he talks about Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah. Yeah, Kelly. You look at these Super Bowls and
what they mean for certain players. If you don't have
that incredible helmet catch, Eli's not in the Hall of Fame.
If Philip Rivers had a Super Bowl, if Romo had
a Super Bowl, if Phil Sims got a second Super Bowl.
(13:55):
Russell Wilson has better stats, regular seasons, overwhelming better than Eli,
but he lost to Super Bowl. He did win one,
but he lost one, and he might be playing his
way out of being a Hall of Famer. I still
go that's so, it's just crystallized in my mind. I'm
(14:17):
standing underneath the goalpost and I'm thinking Seattle is going
to win the Super Bowl and I'm staring at Marshaun
Lynch because I know he's getting the ball. He's going
to run right at me, and I'm going to be
up on the podium and he'll be up there getting
a Super Bowl trophy. And all of a sudden, it
was oh no. And then I went oll bleep and
(14:39):
I go, oh my god, they almost intercepted that. And
then all of a sudden, Malcolm Butler comes up with
the ball and I go, there's no way that he
intercepted that ball. And then when you saw it, you go,
he just won the Super Bowl. And what that meant?
I mean, Pete Carroll would have another Super Bowl? Now
is he a Hall of Famer? Does he not get
(15:01):
into the Hall of Fame because he lost to Super Bowl?
Just you know, the fallout from these Super Bowls is incredible.
I mean, Brady, you know with Vin Terry kick in
the last second field goal, Malcolm Butler with the interro,
you need to have help.
Speaker 8 (15:18):
Yeah, Paul Vinitarry is the best example of them all.
He's going to go to the Hall of Fame as
a kicker. Now that's the hardest route. He's got three
Pro Bowls, three All Pros, four time super Bowl champion.
He's a famous kicker. It's hard to be famous.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yes, you know, you could even expand what you were
just saying about how important super Bowls are here to
how much just the fact of having playoffs has impacted
all of these Hall of Fame chances and careers. I mean,
if you didn't happen, if you didn't have expanded playoffs
and so you just had AFC play NFC like a
(15:52):
traditional super Bowl, probably would have been a lot of
these things that you're talking about look totally different. The
Chargers probably have one, Lamar Jackson probably already has one.
There's probably a whole bunch of teams that and players
that are trying to get into the Hall of Fame
whose careers would be completely different if the expanded playoffs
didn't exist.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Well, you could even look back at UCLA basketball, if
you know, there were thirty two teams in the field
and they usually had a home court advantage through most
of the tournament there. Now, they were a great team,
but you didn't have to go through a lot of
teams to get to the championship game back then. Or
if you go back to the Yankees, you know when
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they're facing the Red Sox. Red Sox didn't get past
the Yankees. Therefore, Ted Williams wasn't playing in the postseason,
the Red Sox weren't winning. Yankees did. Then it you know,
it's a little bit easier to get to the World Series.
You don't have as many playoff games, but we do
credit the playoffs or somebody gets to the playoffs now
could be as a wild card and we're like, yeah,
(16:54):
it's okay. I mean, the Giants wouldn't have won a
Super Bowl in you know, decades before because there wouldn't
have been the wild card in there. Now, once they
got in there, they ended up winning. But it is
really tricky when you're trying to navigate careers and say
hall of famer, not a Hall of famer. All right,
we'll take a break when we come back.
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Speaker 2 (18:35):
We'll settle on our poll question. Todd has some leftover
poll questions from Tuesday that were deemed a little too harsh,
a little too insensitive, but we're exploring those just to
see if maybe we can bring those back. We'll get
some phone calls coming up at eight seven to seven
three DP show. I have a friend who just emailed
me and he says, longtime caller, first time listener. He
(18:59):
may not be a first ballot Hall of Famer, but
he's a Hall of Famer. Marshawn Lynch combined rush and
pass catching signature moments. He ran like a man in
the middle of a naked prison fight. I don't know
if Marshawn lynch running style has ever been described that way,
but it has now. You can put that on his
(19:21):
Hall of Fame bust. He ran like a man in
the middle of a naked prison fight. Okay, I'm going
to take your word on that is Marshawn Lynch Hall
of Famer. I have the resume here.
Speaker 8 (19:35):
I got six thousand yard seasons plus, led the league
in touchdown runs.
Speaker 10 (19:41):
Twice, eight Pro Bowls.
Speaker 8 (19:44):
YEP, hold on, check that five Pro Bowls, five Pro Bowls, okay,
one All Pro, one Super Bowl champion, ten thousand career
rushing yards, which isn't automatic anymore. Yeah, not a high
end receiver. He had like two hundred and fifty catches.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
His persona, though, is bigger than his stats.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, but he didn't have a moment like he had
a couple of runs. Right, But we're talking about Vinitary's
going into the Hall of Fame based really on three moments.
There was the game against the Rams, the Super Bowl
game against Carolina's Super Bowl, and then the Raiders in
(20:24):
that snowy game in Foxborough, the Tuck game in the
Tuck rule, those three moments. As a kicker, you know,
Justin Tucker to me, is a better kicker than Vinetary.
He just hasn't had those moments like Adam. And Adam
won two Super Bowls at the very end with kicks,
and he had the kick in the snow against the Raiders. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
See, but his moment was put in Malcolm Butler's hands. Yes,
you know, I mean that was he Everybody knew on
that drive, including Bill Belichick. There's no way you're stopping
Marshawn from getting in the end zone.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
No way. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
So he if to me when you say his name
is absolutely a Hall of fame Okay, absolutely, And now
I haven't looked at all of the stuff that you
guys just looked at, but just sort of that the
eye test. Yeah, hell yeah, he was unstoppable for that
window of time.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Okay. I mean I may sit corrected here, but I
guess I just I didn't know if he had the
numbers to go along with what we deem a you know,
Hall of Fame worthy at that position.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I'm definitely not saying that you're you're wrong, you know
what I mean. I'm just saying that's for some people
when you have that If we're looking at he needs
the moment. That would have been his second super Bowl
and he would have been the guy the sort of
like the catalyst of that, and everybody knows why didn't
they just give it to Marshawn and you would have
won the Super Bowl. That that's kind of his moment,
is the not having the moment? If that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
We didn't you have the great run against the Saints
in the playoffs. Does that sound right that that was
a signature moment. But if he's plowing into the end
zone against the Patriots to beat the Patriots, you know
that's that signature, standalone moment. Yeah, maybe he is a
Hall of Famer, but he wasn't a pass catcher. It
(22:14):
was he ran hard. It felt like the defense got
more credit. Pete Carroll got more credit, and then all
of a sudden it kind of trickled down off the
Christmas tree to you know, Russell Wilson. You know, they're
kind of winning with Russell Wilson, but really it's the
defense and then you know Marshawn Lynch or maybe Marshawn
Lynch and then Russell Wilson. Yeah, Pauling, what.
Speaker 8 (22:36):
Could help Marshawn's case. He has a nine hundred and
seventy yards rushing in the postseason for his career, which
is sixth all time, and he also ran for more
yards per carry. It if it's splitting Harris and they're
that committee, they look at that kind of stuff.
Speaker 11 (22:50):
Okay, yes, Marvin, do you think in time we might
treat the Seahawks like we treat the Buffalo Bills like
you know what, we might not give him much as
much credit as they deserve, but going over it, you
know later on in time. So like Marv Levy's and
Andrea Reid's and Jim Kelly's in Brude Smithson.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
I never understood you lose the Super Bowl and all
of a sudden you're a bum we treated for years.
You get blown out in the Super Bowl and you're like, oh,
the Bills are terrible, and I'm like, they went to
four consecutive Super Bowls, they lost to better teams.
Speaker 11 (23:23):
So we might treat that super Bowl against the Patriots like,
oh my gosh, they were just one run away from
winning two Super Bowls. So is Richard Sherman getting in?
Is Cam Chanceller getting in? Earl Thomas Russell, Wilson, Marshawn Lynch,
Pete Carroll. Those are six guys that their lives are changed,
or you know, their Hall of Fame candidcy is changed
because of that one run or one pass.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah. Yeah, and it shouldn't come, you know, And we
should look at Jim Kelly the way we look at
other great quarterbacks, but we don't. He went to four
Super Bowls and they got roughed up, and therefore we
it diminishes their entire season. That's not fair. You know,
the Vikings losing those super bowls, you know, and it
(24:07):
stays with the voters like they they viewed them as inferior,
not as good because they lost a super Bowl, like
Jim Marshall. Jim Marshall was unbelievable. But you know, we
hold it against these quarterback Joe Capp. You know, you
lose the Super Bowl, you're not any good. Chuck Foreman,
(24:27):
you know, they just Sammy White. They had great players,
but we some I think consciously subconsciously we go, oh,
you know what, they lost a couple of super Bowls there,
Yes they did, but they still got to the Super Bowl. Now,
who's going four consecutive times? I mean, nobody's ever done
(24:48):
that before.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
Yeah, Pauling, I think Marvin's on is something we may
need more time to dive into. This the single most
impactful play on legacies in NFL history easily, you could
say the Malcolm Butler interception. It helps all the Patriots
guys clearly, but it hurts Marshawn, it hurts Pete Carroll,
all the guys.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
He just well, it hurts Russell Wills Russell completely.
Speaker 8 (25:10):
I mean that's if he doesn't get in the Hall
of Fame. It's that you can hit on one play,
the David Tyree catch that gets Eliah Hall of Fame ring. Yeah,
you could make the case that, you know, if you
want to go deeper dive.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
And the Patriots would have another Super Bowl, right, they
could have two more because you know the Giants had
last second clutch moments there to beat them, certainly with
David Tyree. So you would add one more super Bowl
for Belichick and Tom Brady their resume. And I don't
know if there's other people who are they like their
(25:43):
Hall of Fame candidacy would hinge on that it's usually
coaches and quarterbacks. But for Marshawn Lynch to win a
Super Bowl and to be the guy who carries the
ball and scores the game winning touchdown, yeah, that could
be meaningful. I'm hearing from now a few friends, uh
beast quake, Like, what are you saying Marshawn Lynch is
(26:04):
not a Hall of Famer. So I'm hearing from Marshawn
Lynch proponents. Thank you, come after me, David and Oklahoma.
I'm fine if he's I just said I didn't think
he was a Hall of Famer. I didn't look at
his numbers.
Speaker 13 (26:17):
Hi, David, the first time a long time. I used
to listen to you when you had to still this
still the show killer back in the day and all
those guys, Yeah, way back in the day. What about
when Marshawn's moment against the Saints when they were like
a losing record and he broke to beast mooted them guys?
Ever since? Dan is like, I kind of watched him
in Buffalo, but then once you did that run, he's
(26:38):
just like, you know, went to the next level of awesomeness.
So that's I think that's a good moment for it is.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
And I'd mentioned that that I forgot that that was
in the postseason. Yep, absolutely Madden Tucson, Hi, Matt, with's
on your mind today?
Speaker 9 (26:52):
Hey, nothing against Marshawn Lynch, But if we are talking
about him and you can't forget Steven Jackson.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
For the range, I could, I mean I could forget
Steven Jackson.
Speaker 9 (27:11):
Well, look at his stats on a losing team for
a very long time. That guy was a horse.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Okay, we're gonna look at Steven Jackson's now. He was
a big running back. He hurt people, Yes, Paul.
Speaker 8 (27:29):
Yeah, this guy has some points. Steven Jackson eight straight
thousand yard seasons plus eleven thousand rushing yards. I'll give
him another. He's got four hundred and sixty one receptions.
He's in that Tiki Barber underrated cap.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Okay, is Steven Jackson a better candidate for the Hall
of Fame than Marshawn Lynch? You probably didn't think that
topic was coming up today. Now on paper, Stephen Jackson
looks like he has a better resume.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
Right, he played in four playoff games. Okay, that's where
it hurts. That's a big stage Marshawn had.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Okay, this is why it's so tricky when you're voting
for the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
You know.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Somebody is passionate about somebody and like, this guy changed
the whole culture of the Seahawks offense. And you're right
he did. But it really it was the defense that
got all the credit. It's like if you were an
offensive player for the Ravens when you had that great
defense there, that defense was getting all the credit. The
offense was getting blamed back then.
Speaker 11 (28:36):
Yes, Mark, going back to Super Bowl losers, when John
always losing those super bowls in the eighties. Now, looking
back on it, do you guys give him more credit
because that team may have not been the greatest talent wise,
but he just seemed to drag them to the.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yes, they were known for their defense. John Elway and
somebody can correct me, didn't have an all Pro offensive
skill position player besides him. The three Amigos were not
all pros orson Mobley, the tight end was not Ricky.
(29:10):
You know, they had Sewel, they had Rob Light. I mean,
they didn't have offensive weapons. They had one player I
believe that was their left tackle who was a Pro
Bowl player, and that was it. So we would see
Elway and they faced better teams, plain simple, they lost
to better teams. But John John, what he did with
(29:34):
those three that he got there was pretty pretty impressive.
Then he got there and then all of a sudden,
it's the offensive line in Tererrel Davis, which is true,
but he got to the Hall of Fame. Now when
people say, yeah, he lost three, well he won two.
You know, well that was Terrell Davis and okay, but
he got three. It's more impressive that he got those
(29:56):
three to the super Bowl and lost than the two
super Bowls that he won. But yeah, I mean sometimes
it's revisionist history. I just remember when you would lose
and get blown out. It was like people forgot about
your season like you would. You finished second, but you
might as well been, you know, the worst team in
the league.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
Yeah, Paulie, this is a wild stead. I saw this
and I didn't even think it was correct. John Elway,
who's probably at worst, top five quarterbacks of all time, right,
top seven all time at worst?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Is this his QBR in the Super Bowl?
Speaker 12 (30:29):
He?
Speaker 10 (30:30):
No, he never?
Speaker 8 (30:31):
He was never an All Pro? Not once in his career?
Was he first Team All Pro?
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Static?
Speaker 10 (30:37):
Why? Stad of the day?
Speaker 4 (30:39):
That best?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Stead of the day? Stead of the day? Wow?
Speaker 4 (30:43):
It comes that?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Why stead of the day? How do you win an
MVP and you're not All Pro as a quarterback?
Speaker 8 (30:54):
Nineteen eighty Fritzy nineteen eighty seven? Right, John Elwait, MVP,
second team All Bro's gonna give it to you.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Who was First Team All Pro in nineteen eighty seven?
Was it like Jim McMahon or somebody or no, No,
it would have been in the AFC? Right, Yeah? Well no,
All Pro is both AFC NFC, So who would have been? Montana?
Speaker 10 (31:24):
I have Joe Montana's all pro.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Well, was he in Kansas City? Then? I think Joe
was eighty seven? Still forty nine? Oh he was? Okay,
why are you yelling at me? More sounded like I mean,
it sounded like you were yelling at me.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Was I implying a yell?
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (31:46):
He was a Niner?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Dan, Okay, Todd, do you have something to interject?
Speaker 5 (31:52):
I think that's very disrespectful that Elway was not considering
the first team.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
That doesn't make any sense at all. Else, does a
guy you need to do?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Thank you, Todd?
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Because they lost thirty nine, five ten? What's the big deal?
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Finally get to the Broncos you have nothing to offer?
Well already, Well, how about we take a break. Okay,
I'm gonna play the sound with Caleb Williams and c
J Stroud. C J Stroud was miked up. I don't
know if Caleb Williams knew that c J. Stroud was
miked up either, but we'll have that exchange for you.
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Mets and Diamondbacks for the top wild card spot, three
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with nine games to play. Machado, by the way, is
the Padres all time leading home run hitter. He has
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Speaker 2 (33:56):
Okay, does anybody any franchise have somebody less than one
hundred and sixty seven?
Speaker 8 (34:03):
Uh, that's a hard no, even expansion franchises. Mana Machado
won sixty four. Uh, the Diamondbacks Luis Gonzalez at two
hundred and twenty four career home runs?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
What about the Montreal Expos that might have been Andre
Dawson's Yeah, seton.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I just wanted to point out that it took Paul
twenty five seconds to get that answer, not thirty. I
tracked it and you did well. Okay, shot clock Yeah, yeah,
those kind of those little details are underappreciated sometimes. Yeah,
he got that answer very quickly, and he gave me
five more seconds of air time.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Heancky, buddy. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (34:39):
The Blue Jays Carlos Delgado with three hundred and thirty six. Ooh,
the Rays two hundred and sixty one career home runs.
Who wants to guess you'll get it?
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Longoria?
Speaker 10 (34:52):
Evan Longoria whoop?
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Whoop? Okay, so uh oh.
Speaker 8 (34:58):
This is a surprise. The Guardians, which I think includes
the Indians history. Yes, only three hundred and thirty seven
for the career home run leader. H wait, but So
Jim Tomy is Jim Tomy with three thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I'm killing it today, killing yes, yes, Todd.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
I was gonna say, that's gotta be Tomy. I don't
even know who would be close.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
To Okay, raised my head.
Speaker 10 (35:23):
Should have given up that extra five seconds. Okay, here's
another one, George Brett. This kidding, I'll just giving you that.
Speaker 8 (35:31):
Right, White Sox four hundred and forty eight Homers, Harold Baines,
Frank Thomas.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Oh yeah, and she'll like it too.
Speaker 11 (35:44):
Yeah, yeah, how do you know that my wife will
like you?
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (35:51):
The Florida Slash Miami Marlins two hundred and sixty seven
career home runs.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Is it? Oh, you're gonna Jeff con That's what I
was going to guess.
Speaker 10 (36:03):
Jeff Conan is incorrect. Jean Carlos.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
A Mike Yeah, you guys say.
Speaker 10 (36:13):
And Carlo or John K Carlo.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Whatever?
Speaker 1 (36:21):
What an?
Speaker 2 (36:21):
What an overrated player? Man?
Speaker 11 (36:23):
Whoa?
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Wha Uh Okay, let me
get to this. C J. Stroud. So this is after
the game's Texans. No, I have to get to this.
This is a courtesy of NFL Film.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
C J.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Strouded the Texans is miked up and he goes over.
This is post game. You know, you always have the
quarterbacks the traditional post game hug. And here is c J.
Stroud talking to Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
I'll take it all.
Speaker 14 (36:59):
Yeah, well look Marfa Tho's mistakes and everything that you've
got vote is there. You already brough You don't be
a hell of a player in this league.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Yeah, Bob boy appreciate for so.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Okay, Caleb wants this to be over quickly. He's gotten
roughed up. They lost, and then c J. Stroud's like, no, no,
come here, and he brings him back in and you
can see Caleb's faces like, uh okay, I mean just
you're a second year player, like I just got here.
I played two games, but it felt like c J.
(37:31):
Stroud's miked up. Caleb Williams maybe doesn't know that he's
miked up. And then he wants to do a little
bit more for the camera.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
No, no, come on, Yes, there is a little bit
of like the hey, you're going to be a hell
of a player in this league, bro, how do you know? Well,
he did have a great rookie season. Lots of people
have great rookie seasons. Okay, and then Mac Jones had
a great rookie season. Oh, Baker Mayfield had a great
rookie season. I mean he's still around, but like, d
how do you know that? Why don't you figure out
(37:59):
how do you have a great year too? I think
he meant well. I know he definitely meant well. I
don't think that bringing him back in. I think that
was because he was miked up. Yeah, come here, come,
I gotta tell you this.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Okay, here is c J. Stroud.
Speaker 10 (38:16):
I don't a compliment you with three two one.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, let's let's do that again. Yeah, here is c J.
Stroud earlier this week about that interaction with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 14 (38:25):
You know me and Caleb, I don't I was not
trying to like treat him like I was trying to
like little bro him or nothing.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
He knows that too. I have a ton of respect
for him.
Speaker 14 (38:33):
I told him I respect for him, but I have
so much so many guys coming to me after James,
I hear, so I'll just try to get back to
what the game is given to me. So I wish
him the best man. I want him to do amazing
in this league. I think he will. I think that
he'll get his groove. And once you get your rhythm,
I didn't give my rhythm until like week three, week four,
so I can see him his game picking up from
from here and so, and you know, I don't think
(38:57):
he was trying to like, you know, being towards ay.
He's just upset that that they lost. I totally understand.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Okay, let's just be fair to it. We gave you
the context of it that that's how it sounded the
interaction there. I'm gonna guess Caleb Williams didn't know if
is wiked up? Does that matter here? And then he
comes back to explain his interaction.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Yes, see, this whole interaction is a big bunch of
nothing in the grand scheme of things. Really, it really
means nothing. However, it is kind of hilarious to just
read into it because the expressions, the expression on Caleb
Williams is maybe we're exaggerating it a bit, but he
was kind of like what and then c J Stroud
(39:40):
calling him back in It's just funny. I don't think
anybody meant any ill will either party. However, unsolicited advice
very rarely goes over well, very rarely is it like, oh, hey,
you know what, thank you. I appreciate that thank you.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Like when I lose this Sports Emmy to Bob Constace,
if he up to me after the Emmys are over
and he goes, hey, it's you're gonna get it one
of these days. Okay, Hey, man Doren, thank you, respect you. Hey, Hey, no, no,
come back in here. I might have a problem with
the hey, come back in here with Bob, Yes, Paul.
Speaker 8 (40:15):
But you wouldn't have the problem with the person doing it,
because Bob's ultimately very highly accomplished.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
He is, but I don't at that in that moment.
I don't want to hear from Bob Constance.
Speaker 8 (40:24):
Let's say Tom Brady we're still in the league and
he did the same move to Caleb Williams. I think
it would have a different tone. Yes, yes, or any
type of high end all pro Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
I mean c J.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Stroud's been around for twenty games, twenty one game, something
like that. Caleb might be like, dude, I know I'm
gonna be okay, No, no, come come here. Treated him
like Caleb lost a dog. Hey, it's gonna be okay,
(40:56):
I'm here for you. Okay, No, no, no, No, don't
come here. You put your head on my shoulder here,
just let it out, let it out.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
It's okay, and then keep your head up. Okay, dude,
you've been here five minutes longer than me. Everything you
gots inside, Dude, you just got here too.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
I love that. We well, we're not the only ones
reading into it because c J. Stroud wouldn't have said
that during his press conference if there wasn't some kind
of blowback there. Dude, you just got here, you big
broad him. Man, what is he a year older?
Speaker 4 (41:27):
You can't all have an amazing rookie year. You know
you'll be fine, Yeah, you'll be all right.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Don't worry about it. I got started, like my third game.
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