August 20, 2024 • 41 mins
Dan discusses coaching techniques after Miami Dolphins QB Tua Tagovailoa made some seriously critical comments of his former coach, Brian Flores. And Tom Brady’s comments about rookie quarterbacks make him sound like an old man.
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the headlines here justin Herbert cleared to practice for the Chargers,
Planter Fasciidis, jayde and Daniels named the starter for the Commanders.
Probably going to have Bo Nix, who's going to be
the starter for the Denver Broncos. We're going to bring
back something Tom Brady said over the weekend where he's
talking about quarterbacks and dumbing down quarterbacks and trying to
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get them to play early, which I don't agree with
what Tom is saying, but I'll let you hear what
Tom has to say, and then you'll hear what I
have to say as far as disagreeing with that. But
you have these quarterbacks. Jaden Daniels has been a professional.
Caleb Williams has been a professional. Bo Knicks has been
a professional. Jade and Daniels with two different universities, Bo
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Knicks with two different universities, Caleb Williams with two different universities.
This is different. They've had fifty plus starts in college.
They're ready. They're ready now. It didn't used to be
that way. But then that's when it took quarterbacks maybe
one or two years to get acclimated to a system.
Maybe they played in year three. Carson Palmer, number one pick,
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didn't play his first year. John Kittna was the starting quarterback.
Things have changed, and I think that's what Tom is
looking at the way it used to be for him
as opposed to what it is now. And I don't
think they're dumbing down the position because a lot of
these quarterbacks played in pro style offenses in college, so
(02:17):
the transition is a lot easier. But I'll let you
hear what Tom had to say about it. Who am
I to argue with Tom? Also to a tongue of ioloa.
You know, Mike McDaniel has been such a benefit for
him that Brian Flores used to be the head coach
of the Dolphins and TUA. He was on Dan Levittard
(02:37):
Show and was asked about the difference between playing for
Brian Flores and Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
To put it in simplest terms, if you woke up
every morning and I told you you suck at what
you did, that you don't belong doing what you do,
that you shouldn't be here, that this guy's should be here,
that you haven't earned this right, And then you have
(03:04):
somebody else come in and tell you, dude, you are
the best fit for this, Like you are accurate, you
are the best whatever you are this you are that, Like,
how would it make you feel listening to one or
the other? You see what I'm saying and then you
hear it. You hear it regardless of what it is
the good or the bad, and you hear it more
(03:24):
and more you start to actually believe that.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I'm not used to this kind of honesty or well,
certainly from Tua Tongue of Iloa. But what he's saying
is you show up and you get beat down by
your head coach. And then Mike McDaniel, who when he
was with us a couple of weeks ago, you could
understand he would be mister positivity. He would find the
right thing to say to bolster your confidence. Whether he
believed it or not, he was trying to build up
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your confidence level. And Tua, I think, in large part,
got that contract because of Mike McDaniel. I think Mike
McDaniel is such an offensive minded I don't want to
say genius, but he's an offensive minded head coach and
utilizing those receivers, getting two of the fastest receivers in football,
and then Tua just has to be quick, be accurate,
(04:11):
and not take sacks. That's all we're waiting for with Tua.
Stay healthy and get the ball out to those guys,
and you don't have to throw forty yard bombs. This
is what Tom Brady did his entire career. Could be
three yards, five yards, seven yards, occasionally go down the
middle of the field. That's what Tua has to do.
If you see that the Dolphins have scored an eighty
(04:32):
yard touchdown on a pass, chances are it's a seven
yard pass and seventy three yards for Tyreek Hill and
Tua got paid. But I still have doubts about Tua
later in the season when they go on the road.
The numbers aren't pretty. When he plays in colder weather,
the numbers aren't pretty, and you're going to have to win.
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If you don't win your division, chances are you're going
to be going to Buffalo or maybe you're going to
the Jets. You're not going to go to England as
far as a playoff game, but you're gonna have to
win in maybe a cold weather climate. And Tua hasn't
done that. But I do like the honesty that he has,
and I certainly understand that's almost like the old way,
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the old school way, that they kind of beat you
down to build you up. I think we're kind of
past that that we're like, I know what you're doing.
You're yelling at me to deflate me, and then you're
going to inflate me and then I'll do whatever you
tell me to do.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Coach. Thank you, sir.
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out with the big German last night here in may
whoa whoa, Yes, big German was getting after it a
little bit and we met up with the main cabin masters,
Ryan and Jedi Ashley, so hung out with them, had
a couple of beverages, you know, just Maners talking to
Mayners stuff like that. Yeah, and yeah, it was good.
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But the big German was you know, everybody's like, wow,
you're you're the big German. He's like yeah, he was
eating it up, you know, photos with people, you know,
the whole thing, and it's like, all right, that's the
power of the Dan Patrick Show. But we were just
chopping it up with the Maners and uh yes, Paul.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Now we pretty much know Maine's a beer beer state,
right Is it a heavy beer state?
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Where can you drink wine when you're out? Can you
drink cocktails?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Or is it pure beer? Well, I would say it's
beer now. I don't want to speak for fellow maners,
but I would say we were having some draft beers.
They're big on their their IPAs, and maybe maybe a
bourbon or something, or a whiskey or something like that.
You know what men drink. I mean, that's what we do. Yeah.
(07:00):
You know when I was fishing yesterday and then we
went and had some beers, as we do. And then
I was going to chop some wood. Seatan got me
an axe, and.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
You got the axe. I've been wondering if you have
the axe in Maine or not.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
No, I have an axe to grind, and I literally
have the axe the Seaton gave to me.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I may have to step in here. I may have
you to use an axe. I got some.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Wood delivered, and then one of the guys said, you know,
you can split some wood there, and I go, yeah,
all right, Dan.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
You chop your own firewood.
Speaker 7 (07:34):
You warm yourself twice as they say.
Speaker 8 (07:39):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I made the mistake of telling my wife I said, yeah,
you know, I'm think of using Seatan's axe that he
got me. And she goes for what, and I said
for chopping wood. She goes, oh, no, no, no, no,
we're not doing that, And I said, why why not.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
That's what we do, that's what maners do. Hunt.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, oh she's a buzzkill. Yeah, so uh yeah, I
might chop some wood later on today, maybe a flannel shirt.
You know, it's kind of getting that football weather here
on the East Coast, so I'm ready. I got football
this weekend. I'll say goodbye to my wife and family
coming up on Saturday, and then I'll talk to them
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probably in February. But we got college football week I
don't like week zero and just call it the opening weekend, Like,
let's be fair to those games coming up this weekend.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Week zero.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Yes, well you have to have a title. It's week zero.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
And then, like you said, opening weekend is next week,
so it's like a preview weekend every weekend, showdown Saturday,
grudge weekend.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, but week zero just that it doesn't sound like man,
that's musty TV.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Week zero, yes, todd.
Speaker 9 (08:46):
So call it w EAK one and let's start at
number one and.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Call it what it is.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
We'll see that's a negative time.
Speaker 9 (08:52):
It's a negative, but at least it's not zero zero means
like it does. It's useless, it doesn't count, it's nothing.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Todd.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
We're ten minutes in and you've gone negative on Me's happy?
Speaker 9 (09:00):
Then if you instead of claying a week zero, it's
week one.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
No, Yes, Paul, you got Florida State Georgia Tech from Dublin,
then you just they sprinkle in some games of Saturday
Montana State in New Mexican year since we were there
with Will Ferrell a year ago. Today we were testing
our studio in Dublin.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Wow, that was so much fun. And Will Will is
ready to go if we go back. But we didn't
think Florida State Georgia Tech would be as festive as
Notre Dame, certainly Notre Dame in Dublin, but we were.
We'll do that again. We'll have a road trip, all right.
What other games you're coming up this weekend?
Speaker 5 (09:39):
You got SMU, the new look SMU Big Money SMU
versus Nevada. You got Delaware State Hawaii. That's a little
more niche. But then there's a couple of one double
a games. So you have like seven or eight college
football games scattered on TV Saturday. But what's wild is
next Thursday. Not next Saturday, but next Thursday. There's probably
twenty college football games and some are like real games,
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like Arkansas's playing Missouri's playing North Carolina, Minnesota playing each other.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
Like there's real games next Thursday.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Weird starting earlier and earlier, and it's like the NFL
trying to go longer later in February. College football is
starting earlier because you want those standalone nights days games,
and now you have that opportunity. But it does feel
like any other story or sports that were kind of
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sharing the spotlight. All of a sudden, the NFL takes
over last preseason game coming up, college football coming up
this weekend, fantasy drafts. So now it's one let's poll
question today. Well, we got a couple of options. Well,
we could go with this sort of the topic you
were just hitting before. I don't know exactly how to
(10:51):
word this the right way, but which coaching style works best?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (10:56):
Is it like criticism and tough love or support and encouragement?
How do we word that exactly? To say, like, you know,
one dude, is screaming your garbage and worseless, you'll never
be anything.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Oh that made me so great? Or you're like no, man,
like you're doing well, keep going well.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
There's part of me that would like to still have
a little bit of the old school, But then I
know with today, with parents with kids, you can't do it.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
You shouldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
But you know, I kind of grew up on tough
love with coaches, and I.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
I don't think you need to yell.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I never understood that when grabbing your face mask or
screaming at you. I mean, I would feel bad if
I didn't play well, But I think there's a time
and place for a little bit of that.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
I think it really depends.
Speaker 7 (11:53):
I think what we've figured out over the years is
that it just depends on the person that you're talking to.
Not everybody responds to the same way, to the same thing.
It's it's not really about the coach. It's more about
the person the coach is talking to, because like, like
my son has had it sort of like what you
were just speaking to. My son has had a coach
before he plays soccer, and the coach would be on
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the sideline and he would be going.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
Kieren Kieran, Tom Down, Tom down.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
Like, like my guy, you realize you're screaming at the
top of your lungs telling him to calm down right,
You realize how weird that sounds.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Well, that always bothered me with Bob Knight, that Bob
Knight was never under control. But he told you to
be under control. And I like, don't you understand here,
Like you're supposed to be under control, then I'll be
under control. But when you're yelling, it's not like I go, oh, okay,
I'm gonna calm down as you're chewing.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
My neck off.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Yes, Paul, this is a really tough question because the
first when I looked at this, like is it Mike
McDaniel style or Brian Flores' style Old style?
Speaker 6 (13:01):
They're a year and a half difference in age.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Mike McDaniel's not twenty six, he's forty one and Brian
Flores is forty three. So they grew up in the
same NFL. They just have two different directions. I do
agree with you though, there always has to be some
light level of fear for your job to some level,
no matter where you're working. You don't want people too
terribly comfortable. You want to be positive and get the
most out of them. But if they're completely comfortable, I
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think that's dangerous as well.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
But also it's when you raise your voice. If you
don't raise it very often, but when you do, now
I have your attention. It's like with my daughters. They
know doesn't happen often. When it does, there's trouble. But
if you do it all the time, then you kind
of you know, you know, tune that out. But you're
I mean, growing up in these coaches that that's what
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you did.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
You Woody Hayes.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
He was yelling at youa BeO Scham Beckler yelling at you,
Bob Knight yelling at you. You know, even Mike Kruyzhevsky.
I went to one practice and I was like, whoa
coach k simmer down? But he, you know, he'd learned
with Bob Knight.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
I like Mike.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
McDaniel's approach, but it doesn't sound like he's a head
coach with all of that encouragement. But if it works
for the Dolphins and works for TUA, that's all that matters.
It feels like there still has to be that I
can be a jerk if I have to be a jerk.
I can raise my voice, I can get your attention,
but I don't think you know the days of slamming
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your hand into the wall and then you break your hand,
and then you go.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Boy, that was stupid. He did those days there long. Yeah,
I know.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I had a coach who did that, and it was
one of those where you kind of, you know, kind
of put your hand over your mouth because you're going,
that's stupid. And he heard his hand. He broke his
little finger.
Speaker 8 (14:48):
Yes, Marvin, did you ever hear any stories about Tony
Dungeye raising his voice?
Speaker 4 (14:52):
No?
Speaker 8 (14:54):
Like, what was his style to get his guys so
motivated and have such great teams when he was playing,
he seems so mild man.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
That's the way it is.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
But once again, he if he raised his voice, it's
different than the octave that somebody else might be raising
their voice. Tony could raise his voice, but in a
way that he would be disappointed in you. But I've
never heard him yell. Never, even if when we were
football night in America for what eight or nine years,
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never heard him raise his one. Now he would deliver
a message in a way that was he was angry
at himself or disappointed in something, but it was never
raising his voice.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Yeah, Pauling, that's the guy who's going to bring up.
Tony Dungee seems like the first old school new style.
When we started having him on before he worked with him,
We're like, this guy is so soft spoken, how does
it work? But then there's also the caveat is was
Tony Dungee. I mean, he was a great coach, but
he had Peyton Manning, which makes your coaching style seem
so much better than Mike McDaniels. I'm sure he's a
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very good coach, but having Tyreek Hill and Jalen Wattle
breaths the success. It's like, does your style work or
does your personnel and style work?
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Yeah? I mean Mike McDaniel that's a different cat man.
He was. He was chill, funny sense of humor.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Almost felt like he would be the quarterback coach as
opposed to the head coach.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
But if it.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Works, you know the Giants the Bears when they had
Ditka yelling and everybody, Giants with Bill Parcells yelling and everybody.
I mean, they're just certain coaches. That's why you know, Saban,
I don't know if he yells as much as he
just delivers a stinging kind of criticism there, and you know,
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maybe Belichick the same way. We'll talk about that when
we come back. We'll hear from Tom Brady what he's
saying about rookie quarterbacks, how things have changed, also the
new style of rookie quarterbacks. Will talk about that when
we return after this.
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Speaker 2 (17:37):
We will settle on a poll question. For hour one seaton,
we'll do the honors. We'll hear from Tom Brady talking
about rookie quarterbacks and how things have changed over the years.
In fact, he sat down with Stephen A. Smith over
the weekend and here's a portion of what he had
to say about a rookie crisis in the NFL.
Speaker 11 (17:57):
I had to learn from being seventh quarterback on the
depth chart to moving up to third to ultimately being
a starter. I had to learn all those things in college.
That was development. Then I went to New England and
I was developed by coach Belichick and the offensive staff there.
I didn't start my first year. I think it's just
a tragedy that we're forcing these rookies to play early.
(18:18):
But the reality is the only reason why that is
because we've dumb the game down, which has allowed them
to play.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
It used to be thought of at a higher level.
Speaker 11 (18:25):
We used to spend hours and hours in the offseason
and training camp trying to be a little bit better
than next year. But I think what happens is discourages
the coaches from going to deep levels because they realize
the players don't have the opportunity to go to a
deep level. So they're just going to teach them where
they're at.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Okay, this feels like it's more about Tom Brady than
it is the rookie crisis that's going on with quarterbacks.
You have Jaden Daniels, you have Bo Nicks. They have
played over fifty games. So in the style that you're
playing in college is similar to what you have in
the NFL. It didn't used to be that, but now
(19:01):
it feels like the NFL is adopting the college style
because you had, you know, offensive minded geniuses. Mike Leach
kind of changed thing, June Jones. You had these offensive
minded head coaches who were changing the style of football,
and it's a passing game.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I'm looking at Caleb Williams. He's been a professional. Bo
Nix has been a professional. Jaden Daniels is being a professional.
They've been at two different universities. Also, they're getting paid,
so it's not that shock of Hey, I'm getting money.
I think they're more advanced coming in than they've ever
been before. But Tom talking about and Tom's playing to
(19:40):
a crowd, by the way, so Tom is making it
seem like back in my day, we walked up hill
both ways to get to school. Okay, I know it's
Tom and the greatest quarterback ever. I don't agree with
what he's saying he's making about his story. Tom was
not this guy who played like four games Michigan. He
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started his junior and senior year. So he came in
and Tom wasn't highly thought of. That's why he was
drafted where he was drafted. If you're a first round
draft pick, if you've played fifty games, you're ready. Bo
Nicks is twenty four. Michael Pennox I think is twenty five.
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Jaden Daniels is probably twenty four. It's different now you
had COVID year, the transfer portal nil, and it feels
like they're more advanced and ready to play right away.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Yeah, seton.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
He's not wrong though, Like that's the weird thing is that,
like Tom Brady's not wrong.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
You do have to be given time to develop, and so.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
It how many times have we seen somebody you know,
Like it's like the pressure to go right from the
draft to playing in the NFL for a quarterback, for
most quarterbacks is too much. There are a few that,
I mean, let's see how Jayden Daniels does. He might
be super dival. Let's see how bo Nicks does. We
have no idea if any of them are going to
be any good yet really true?
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Yeah, yeah, Trey Lance, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
He didn't play a whole ton, but and he really did,
hasn't done anything.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Well, he didn't have any experience. We're talking about guys
who played fifty games. You know, Trey Lance played one
season and while he was great, perfect that season, he
didn't play. And you know, you're coming from a successful program,
but are they? I mean, bow Knicks is running Auburn's offense,
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and then Oregon's offense. Caleb is running Oklahoma's offense, and
then USC's offense, and then these coaches are catering these
offenses to their quarterbacks. It didn't used to be that way.
You had to adapt to the coach's style. This is
the style that he plays. Nick Saban had to change.
Nick Saban brought in Lane Kiffin because he needed to
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upgrade his offense of mind, he needed to expand what
he had because he had unbelievable wide receivers. You didn't
think of Alabama quarterbacks as great. Now it's different, but
back you know, a while ago, you were a quarterback
who maybe was asked to throw fifteen times, hand the
ball off. They were going to play great defense, and
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they were going to win games. These kids, now they're
ready to go. You know, they go to these camps,
seven on seven camps, eleven on eleven camps, they're they're
already emulating the style of offense that you see in
the NFL.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Yes, Paulin, it does feel like listen to that cut again,
I think scenes got a point.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Tom's knows so much about quarterbacking.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
It does feel like he's critiquing the teams and handling
of quarterbacks and saying they're too reactionary, they're too trustworthy
of these young people and not forcing.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Them to sit.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
If you look at it was just you know, six
or seven years ago, Mahome set an entire season. Now,
he wasn't a superstar coming out of college. Oh, he
wasn't advanced, He wasn't a sure thing was the Drit's
project were used around him. But it is interesting like, oh,
you think, okay, he's twenty four, he's ready, but why
not six games? Why not sit for six games in
startum in November? The Denver Broncos are not winning the
(23:09):
Super Bowl. So are they going to think short term
or long term? I think that may be worth Brady
as saying, well, I'm for a quarterback sitting. I don't
you know.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I think there's benefits of playing, but I think there's
benefits of just watching because just understand the speed of
everything that happens. Understand that, you know, when there's live
bullets there and they're actually calling in plays, you got
to process the play. You got two plays at the
line of scrim like all of that. But if bo
Nix is already capable of starting in Denver, given Sean
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Payton's offense, which is very quick, fast paced, okay, then
I think you're ready to play in the NFL. And
not everybody is, but Jayden Daniels that's a lot of experience,
Caleb Williams, that's a lot of experience. And it just
feels like they've been semi pro quarterbacks for a few
years now. Tom played twenty five games in his Michigan career.
(24:06):
That's not a lot.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
That's two seasons. That's not a lot.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
But these kids now coming in, they're playing freshman year,
sophomore year. How many games will quinn Ewers be playing
when he's all done at Texas, probably forty games. You're
going to be ready to go into the NFL. Now,
should you dumb down the I don't know what Tom means.
I would like to have had Steven a follow up
(24:34):
and say, what do you mean dumb down?
Speaker 4 (24:35):
And maybe he did.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
That was at the Fanatics Fest that was in New
York City, But I'd like to have heard, Hey, what
does dumb down the offense mean for these quarterbacks? Cause
it might be We're going to give you one or
two reads and then that's it. You know, it's either
this or that. Kyle Shanahan with what he's doing with
Rock Purty, are they dumbing down the offense for Brock Perty?
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I don't think Kyle Shanahan's offense they would be doing that.
Mike McDaniel, did he dumb down the offense? Vertua doesn't
seem that way. So that's why I'm a little confused
with that. And look, Tom's forgotten more about quarterbacking than
I know. But Todd called for Tom Brady on it. Yeah,
(25:18):
just to be fair, we should have him and I
can ask him just one question, what do you mean
by dumbing down the offense? And just see what he says.
But I like that Tom's opinion. You know, we're hearing
Bill Belichick be opinionated. I saw him on McAfee yesterday.
He's breaking down the Pittsburgh Steelers offensive line. Now he
(25:39):
would never do that with the Patriots when he was coaching.
But you know, I like this this opinion. Hearing that opinion,
it's great. He's probably watching tape like I was. I
was geeking out that. You know, here's Belichick a little
more animated than he used to be when he was
a coach. But he's getting paid an awful lot to
(26:00):
be animated. It was good, it was fun, it was interesting.
I mean, you got to be a football nerd to go, yeah,
tell me about that tackle with his Steelers and you
know he's talking about the quarterbacking situation. That's not the
problem the offense. The offensive line is the problem there.
I'm like, all right, tell me Bill, you go, Bill, yes, Eton.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
You know, for all of these guys that we mentioned
that are working out, there's probably a dozen Kenny Picketts
who played forty fifty games in college.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
And maybe it should have been Dumbe down more for him.
Maybe he shouldn't have been a first round draft pick.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
Right, maybe he shouldn't have been a first round draft pick,
but he had tons of experience, He had tons of
time to develop, and was coming in much more mature
than a lot of other quarterbacks had previously.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I don't think he was mature at all. I think
he had problems. I think that's why he's a backup
quarterback in Philadelphia. I don't know if he's going to
be a starter, But you're right, these teams are willing
to take a risk on a quarterback now that they
didn't used to. That You'll go, may not be a
first round talent, but we need a quarterback. Let's take him,
get him on a rookie salary, and then maybe we
(27:10):
can build around him. You know, Russell Wilson played well,
he got kicked to the curb at NC State, and
then he went to Wisconsin. He had played a lot
of football and was mature when he got to the
NFL and ready to go a lot sooner than a
lot of people. Dak Prescott pressed into action, and he
seemed like he was ready to go at an earlier
(27:31):
age than you would have thought. So look, we can
find a ton of quarterbacks who failed and a ton
that succeeded. Some have experienced, some didn't. But I think
for the most part we're looking at here is the
chain of command that if you go three years in
college where you're starting, who's your head coach? I mean,
(27:54):
how many defensive minded head coaches do you have in
college football? It feels like I mean, Jim Harball was,
but that's a former quarterback, but he wanted, you know,
his teams to play great defense. I mean Ryan Dave
is an offensive minded head coach at Ohio State. A
lot of these guys are offensive minded head coaches because
that's what the game has evolved into.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
What's pole quest?
Speaker 7 (28:17):
Yeah, did you see that Tom gave his top five
active quarterbacks. Yes, he had Maholmes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,
Joe Burrow, and Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Okay, that seems about right right, fine with that? Yeah,
surprises there, right? No, No, I mean not for me.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I figured if I mean, I guess Aaron Rodgers maybe
just because of his age and coming back from the injury.
But you know, Tom may be acknowledging Aaron Rodgers because
you know, he was somebody who was he was competing
with when he was playing. Tom is starting to sound
like he's, you know, a fifty year old man with
these opinions back in the day. Now he's only forty seven,
(29:04):
but he sounds like back in the day. So it's
just different. And you know Tom was drafted by Belichick. Well,
Belichick's not going to turn the you know, reins over
to a rookie quarterback back then. Now, I did that
with Mac Jones and that didn't work out well, and
maybe mac Jones shouldn't have been a first round draft
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pick there.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Yeah, Paulin McAfee actually brought that up to Belichick yesterday.
He said, when did you see something with Brady?
Speaker 4 (29:31):
He goes. It wasn't on the field.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
It was his work ethic as a rookie, the tape
he would watch, the extra stuff he would do, He goes.
I started noticing this kid doing a little more than
the other rookies, staying a little later than the other rookies,
he goes. So then the football part started showing up
a little later.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
It was interesting.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
He was talking about his work ethic was the first
thing he noticed, not football play.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
But Tom, you know, he's the unicorn here that where
he was drafted what happened the injury to Drew Bledsoe
then he comes in. You know, even when he was playing,
they were talking about dumbing down the offense. John Madden
famously was saying that in the Super Bowl when Tom
won his first one, they're like, yep, they're probably going
to play for overtime. Meanwhile, Brady came out and started
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throwing the football.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
They didn't dumb down the offense in the Super Bowl,
the most crucial time of Tom's young career.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
So I know that's.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Tom being Tom and now being an analyst, and I
like it. I like that he's got some opinions. Well
that would okay, did that? Did that sound a little
too much? Tom says that they're there's a crisis in
the NFL. Wah wah crisis twenty twenty four. That sounds
(30:47):
like news coverage. Oh yeah, let me get the exact quote.
So he believes that they're dumbing down the offenses. Oh no,
I think it's just a trag it's not a tragedy.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Tragedy. It's called her a crisis, all right. I don't
think it's that drastic there the crisis.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Awesome prayers, Yeah, t's and p Yeah, and maybe Tom
needed to spend hours in the off season in training
camp trying to be a little bit better because he
didn't come in with any fanfare. These quarterbacks are coming in,
you know, Heisman Trophy winner, runner up, and you know
(31:36):
they're they're feels like they've already become celebrities when they
come in. Where's Tom came in? It was like, oh,
look at that, I mean, look at I aim at the combine.
Didn't stand out for any other reason. Then wait, he's
a quarterback. All right, we'll take a break. Uh got
her Play the Day coming up. Phone calls as well,
and uh, we'll talk to Diana Russini. She has a
(31:59):
new podcasts with Chase Daniel. She spent some time with
Sean Payton, and we'll get an idea if bo Nicks
is going to be your starter in Denver.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
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you didn't swing on a three zero pitch. You were
always told don't don't swing on the three ozho pitch.
(33:41):
The rules of twenty years ago, you know, fifteen years ago,
they're not applicable to today. I like, what is it
used to be? Hey, put the ball in play? Well,
they don't do that. They strike out more than ever.
Is somebody gonna hit and run? Is somebody bunting? So
you can't go. Don't swing on a three to ozero pitch?
Speaker 4 (34:00):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I mean there's probably unwritten rules. Baseball has more unwritten
rules than any other sport. But swinging on a three
to zero pitch. I always thought, if you were a
good hitter and then swing on a three to zero
pitch because everything's about home runs now, chances are you
going to get a meatball there? And uh, but Ron
Darling and Keith Hernandez. You know that's from a different
(34:23):
era where you weren't swinging at a three to zero pitch.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Yes, Paul, you guys played baseball. I didn't.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
But even as a child, after learning how to tie
my shoes and look both ways, I learned don't swing
at a three ozero pitch. And I didn't even play baseball.
And I'm reading here MLB managers have a hard rule
with their lineups, don't do this. There's a story about
Evan Longoi, remember the real good hitter for the Tampa
Bay his team had a rule do not swing on
three ozho pitches. His rookie year, he did it three
(34:49):
different times and was three for three with two home
runs and got in trouble, got yelled at by his manager.
That's not our team strategy. Do you think pitchers have
not the green light but the opposite, like a little
bit of freedom to be able to throw it right
down the middle.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
Of oh the hitters? Did the hitters have the freedom
to just swing?
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Because you hear those two guys in the clubhout and
they met's booth or like, don't do it, don't do it,
don't do it.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, but that's old school, Like I mean, if you
saw baseball in the future back in the seventies, you'd
be like, wait, what are they doing? So, I mean
you got to be fair to whatever they're asking their
players to do. Now, the philosophies, it still feels like
three to zero you would not swing. But you know,
(35:38):
new school, old school.
Speaker 7 (35:40):
Yeah, I think it really all depends on who the
hitter is, you know. I mean, if you have a good, say,
contact hitter or something, and they get a pitch they
like on three to oh, then hit it.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
It's analytics I'm sure too, that'll factor in yes time.
Speaker 9 (35:56):
I don't remember a littleage coach ever saying, swing as
hard as you can, ever get bat, hit as many
home runs as you can, I don't care how much
you strike out, which is what they do now.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah, but your little league philosophy is a whole lot
different than the big leagues because kids aren't hitting home
runs at a prodigious rate, so that's different. Plus he's
trying to get on base.
Speaker 7 (36:16):
Even at a little league level, there were kids that
were like, yeah, man, swing and other kids like, why
don't you let's have a good eye up there, Bud,
Let's let's take it, take it.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Don't be a free to take a.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Pitch walks as good as a hit, walks as good
as a hit as the rules come.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
It's funny rods que to do that, I know. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (36:38):
Yeah, if you're the nine hitter, no no, no, wait that
because now at the top of the order is coming,
especially at the bottom of the ninth, we.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Have hit a nine hole. You're in the ninth hole,
you're not you're not going to be swinging. But if
you're you know, three or four in the lineup, yeah,
go after it. A little bit yes time or wanting one.
Speaker 9 (36:56):
Of your players to actually lean into and try to
get hit by the pitch anyway you can get on
baseball taker.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, I never had the green light. But then I mean,
how many players today do they give the green light
on three? I don't know. Tim Kirschin's going to join
us a little bit later on, we can ask him
about that. Also, they Baseball floated this out that they
might make it mandatory to go six innings. Your starter
(37:24):
goes six innings. Now, once again it was floated out there.
I don't know, how do you enforce this that you
go out there like they want to bring back the
presence the importance of a starting pitcher. But if I'm
a pitcher, I just say, oh, I tweaked my arm
if I'm getting rocked around. But like this feels when
(37:45):
Baseball does this, then I get nervous because it feels
like it's already we're, you know, pretty far down the
line that maybe this is something they're going to try
to enforce.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Yes, PAULM.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
Jesse Rogers of ESPN dot com talked to a bunch
of different gms and pitching coach and hitting coaches, and
they said the league is looking at a bunch of
different options to keep starting pitchers more relevant in the game,
and one of those things is six innings. They said
instantly there'd have to be some caveats to get out
of it. If you threw one hundred pitches in your
last start, you wouldn't be subject to this rule. If
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you've just given up in that game four or more
earned runs, you can now leave the game. If you
got injured, of course, then you could leave the game. Okay,
So there's one of the ideas they're kicking around.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Well, I would love to have the starting pitcher still
be relevant because we grew up on that that you
led with those pitchers. You were winning a playoff series
because you had Bob Gibson, or you had Tom sever
you know, Steve Carlton, Sandy Kofax. Now that's what you want.
You wanted that our horse is going out there and
(38:51):
he's probably going to pitch three games in a seven
game series. That's not the case anymore. Sometimes you don't
even know the starting pitcher, or you'll get a reliever
who's going to be your starter because he's going to
pitch two innings. Like there, it's just different. It's a
different philosophy, but I don't know if you can enforce that,
(39:11):
but we'll talk to Tim Kirkchin.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
Yes time.
Speaker 9 (39:13):
Also for the fans, I remember growing up. I know
times are different now and guys pitched three innings and
they're pulled. But I would look for specific games where
I want to see that picture and I'm going through
that game specifically to see that matchup with that particular pitcher,
And that's the main reason I'm going through that game.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, it used to be that was your like, that's
why Paul skeenes. You know, there's a tune in factor
to watch him. How many pitchers do you go? Oh, okay,
I'll watch him.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Now.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
The Pirates may shut down Paul's skeens because you know,
they want to make sure that he's healthy down the stretch.
They're going to be eliminated from the postseason. He may
not win Rookie of the Year as a result, but
they may. They got forty games left, I think, and
they're thinking about shutting him down, which would be a
shame for the Pirates as far as the fans go. Oh,
(40:00):
but you know, this is the club trying to protect
their investment. There yes, Paul.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
Going back to the thing with six innings. I wonder
you'd think that the players union would fight this because
they protect the players in every way. But if I'm
a starting pitcher, I think I'd be in favor of
this rule because the more innings I go, the more
relevant I become, the more valuable I become. The days
of you know, a starting pitcher geting two hundred and
fifty million, I don't know if that's going to happen
anymore because you could patchwork your your staff. But if
(40:27):
I'm a starting pitcher, I want to go seven.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Is Garrett Cole going to be the last pitcher to
get paid in a third amount of money that I
mean that was like two hundred and fifty million dollars?
Speaker 4 (40:40):
I think yes, Marvin, maybe Paul Skins might be the
last one. Yeah, yeah, se right.
Speaker 7 (40:46):
I mean, if you're a starting pitcher, you want to
go seven until you give up five runs in the
second because you just don't have it that day and
you're like, oh crap, I'm dead. I got to do
another with four or five innings of this, like you can't.
Is there any major sport that says you if you
play you have to play this amount of time. I
don't think that that exists anywhere in sports. If you
(41:07):
start the game, you have to go at least this
amount of time before you can come out.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Tim Kirkchin will join us a little bit later on.
Is Bonnick's going to be the starter in Denver. We'll
find out in about a half hour from now. We'll
get to your phone calls, update the poll results as well.
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the headlines here justin Herbert cleared to practice for the Chargers,
Planter Fasciidis, jayde and Daniels named the starter for the Commanders.
Probably going to have Bo Nix, who's going to be
the starter for the Denver Broncos. We're going to bring
back something Tom Brady said over the weekend where he's
talking about quarterbacks and dumbing down quarterbacks and trying to
(01:12):
get them to play early, which I don't agree with
what Tom is saying, but I'll let you hear what
Tom has to say, and then you'll hear what I
have to say as far as disagreeing with that. But
you have these quarterbacks. Jaden Daniels has been a professional.
Caleb Williams has been a professional. Bo Knicks has been
a professional. Jade and Daniels with two different universities, Bo
(01:34):
Knicks with two different universities, Caleb Williams with two different universities.
This is different. They've had fifty plus starts in college.
They're ready. They're ready now. It didn't used to be
that way. But then that's when it took quarterbacks maybe
one or two years to get acclimated to a system.
Maybe they played in year three. Carson Palmer, number one pick,
(01:56):
didn't play his first year. John Kittna was the starting quarterback.
Things have changed, and I think that's what Tom is
looking at the way it used to be for him
as opposed to what it is now. And I don't
think they're dumbing down the position because a lot of
these quarterbacks played in pro style offenses in college, so
(02:17):
the transition is a lot easier. But I'll let you
hear what Tom had to say about it. Who am
I to argue with Tom? Also to a tongue of ioloa.
You know, Mike McDaniel has been such a benefit for
him that Brian Flores used to be the head coach
of the Dolphins and TUA. He was on Dan Levittard
(02:37):
Show and was asked about the difference between playing for
Brian Flores and Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
To put it in simplest terms, if you woke up
every morning and I told you you suck at what
you did, that you don't belong doing what you do,
that you shouldn't be here, that this guy's should be here,
that you haven't earned this right, And then you have
(03:04):
somebody else come in and tell you, dude, you are
the best fit for this, Like you are accurate, you
are the best whatever you are this you are that, Like,
how would it make you feel listening to one or
the other? You see what I'm saying and then you
hear it. You hear it regardless of what it is
the good or the bad, and you hear it more
(03:24):
and more you start to actually believe that.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I'm not used to this kind of honesty or well,
certainly from Tua Tongue of Iloa. But what he's saying
is you show up and you get beat down by
your head coach. And then Mike McDaniel, who when he
was with us a couple of weeks ago, you could
understand he would be mister positivity. He would find the
right thing to say to bolster your confidence. Whether he
believed it or not, he was trying to build up
(03:49):
your confidence level. And Tua, I think, in large part,
got that contract because of Mike McDaniel. I think Mike
McDaniel is such an offensive minded I don't want to
say genius, but he's an offensive minded head coach and
utilizing those receivers, getting two of the fastest receivers in football,
and then Tua just has to be quick, be accurate,
(04:11):
and not take sacks. That's all we're waiting for with Tua.
Stay healthy and get the ball out to those guys,
and you don't have to throw forty yard bombs. This
is what Tom Brady did his entire career. Could be
three yards, five yards, seven yards, occasionally go down the
middle of the field. That's what Tua has to do.
If you see that the Dolphins have scored an eighty
(04:32):
yard touchdown on a pass, chances are it's a seven
yard pass and seventy three yards for Tyreek Hill and
Tua got paid. But I still have doubts about Tua
later in the season when they go on the road.
The numbers aren't pretty. When he plays in colder weather,
the numbers aren't pretty, and you're going to have to win.
(04:52):
If you don't win your division, chances are you're going
to be going to Buffalo or maybe you're going to
the Jets. You're not going to go to England as
far as a playoff game, but you're gonna have to
win in maybe a cold weather climate. And Tua hasn't
done that. But I do like the honesty that he has,
and I certainly understand that's almost like the old way,
(05:13):
the old school way, that they kind of beat you
down to build you up. I think we're kind of
past that that we're like, I know what you're doing.
You're yelling at me to deflate me, and then you're
going to inflate me and then I'll do whatever you
tell me to do.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Coach. Thank you, sir.
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out with the big German last night here in may
whoa whoa, Yes, big German was getting after it a
little bit and we met up with the main cabin masters,
Ryan and Jedi Ashley, so hung out with them, had
a couple of beverages, you know, just Maners talking to
Mayners stuff like that. Yeah, and yeah, it was good.
(06:12):
But the big German was you know, everybody's like, wow,
you're you're the big German. He's like yeah, he was
eating it up, you know, photos with people, you know,
the whole thing, and it's like, all right, that's the
power of the Dan Patrick Show. But we were just
chopping it up with the Maners and uh yes, Paul.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Now we pretty much know Maine's a beer beer state,
right Is it a heavy beer state?
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Where can you drink wine when you're out? Can you
drink cocktails?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Or is it pure beer? Well, I would say it's
beer now. I don't want to speak for fellow maners,
but I would say we were having some draft beers.
They're big on their their IPAs, and maybe maybe a
bourbon or something, or a whiskey or something like that.
You know what men drink. I mean, that's what we do. Yeah.
(07:00):
You know when I was fishing yesterday and then we
went and had some beers, as we do. And then
I was going to chop some wood. Seatan got me
an axe, and.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
You got the axe. I've been wondering if you have
the axe in Maine or not.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
No, I have an axe to grind, and I literally
have the axe the Seaton gave to me.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I may have to step in here. I may have
you to use an axe. I got some.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Wood delivered, and then one of the guys said, you know,
you can split some wood there, and I go, yeah,
all right, Dan.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
You chop your own firewood.
Speaker 7 (07:34):
You warm yourself twice as they say.
Speaker 8 (07:39):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I made the mistake of telling my wife I said, yeah,
you know, I'm think of using Seatan's axe that he
got me. And she goes for what, and I said
for chopping wood. She goes, oh, no, no, no, no,
we're not doing that, And I said, why why not.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
That's what we do, that's what maners do. Hunt.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, oh she's a buzzkill. Yeah, so uh yeah, I
might chop some wood later on today, maybe a flannel shirt.
You know, it's kind of getting that football weather here
on the East Coast, so I'm ready. I got football
this weekend. I'll say goodbye to my wife and family
coming up on Saturday, and then I'll talk to them
(08:15):
probably in February. But we got college football week I
don't like week zero and just call it the opening weekend, Like,
let's be fair to those games coming up this weekend.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Week zero.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Yes, well you have to have a title. It's week zero.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
And then, like you said, opening weekend is next week,
so it's like a preview weekend every weekend, showdown Saturday,
grudge weekend.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, but week zero just that it doesn't sound like man,
that's musty TV.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Week zero, yes, todd.
Speaker 9 (08:46):
So call it w EAK one and let's start at
number one and.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Call it what it is.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
We'll see that's a negative time.
Speaker 9 (08:52):
It's a negative, but at least it's not zero zero means
like it does. It's useless, it doesn't count, it's nothing.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Todd.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
We're ten minutes in and you've gone negative on Me's happy?
Speaker 9 (09:00):
Then if you instead of claying a week zero, it's
week one.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
No, Yes, Paul, you got Florida State Georgia Tech from Dublin,
then you just they sprinkle in some games of Saturday
Montana State in New Mexican year since we were there
with Will Ferrell a year ago. Today we were testing
our studio in Dublin.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Wow, that was so much fun. And Will Will is
ready to go if we go back. But we didn't
think Florida State Georgia Tech would be as festive as
Notre Dame, certainly Notre Dame in Dublin, but we were.
We'll do that again. We'll have a road trip, all right.
What other games you're coming up this weekend?
Speaker 5 (09:39):
You got SMU, the new look SMU Big Money SMU
versus Nevada. You got Delaware State Hawaii. That's a little
more niche. But then there's a couple of one double
a games. So you have like seven or eight college
football games scattered on TV Saturday. But what's wild is
next Thursday. Not next Saturday, but next Thursday. There's probably
twenty college football games and some are like real games,
(10:01):
like Arkansas's playing Missouri's playing North Carolina, Minnesota playing each other.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
Like there's real games next Thursday.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Weird starting earlier and earlier, and it's like the NFL
trying to go longer later in February. College football is
starting earlier because you want those standalone nights days games,
and now you have that opportunity. But it does feel
like any other story or sports that were kind of
(10:30):
sharing the spotlight. All of a sudden, the NFL takes
over last preseason game coming up, college football coming up
this weekend, fantasy drafts. So now it's one let's poll
question today. Well, we got a couple of options. Well,
we could go with this sort of the topic you
were just hitting before. I don't know exactly how to
(10:51):
word this the right way, but which coaching style works best?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (10:56):
Is it like criticism and tough love or support and encouragement?
How do we word that exactly? To say, like, you know,
one dude, is screaming your garbage and worseless, you'll never
be anything.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Oh that made me so great? Or you're like no, man,
like you're doing well, keep going well.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
There's part of me that would like to still have
a little bit of the old school, But then I
know with today, with parents with kids, you can't do it.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
You shouldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
But you know, I kind of grew up on tough
love with coaches, and I.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
I don't think you need to yell.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I never understood that when grabbing your face mask or
screaming at you. I mean, I would feel bad if
I didn't play well, But I think there's a time
and place for a little bit of that.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
I think it really depends.
Speaker 7 (11:53):
I think what we've figured out over the years is
that it just depends on the person that you're talking to.
Not everybody responds to the same way, to the same thing.
It's it's not really about the coach. It's more about
the person the coach is talking to, because like, like
my son has had it sort of like what you
were just speaking to. My son has had a coach
before he plays soccer, and the coach would be on
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the sideline and he would be going.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
Kieren Kieran, Tom Down, Tom down.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
Like, like my guy, you realize you're screaming at the
top of your lungs telling him to calm down right,
You realize how weird that sounds.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Well, that always bothered me with Bob Knight, that Bob
Knight was never under control. But he told you to
be under control. And I like, don't you understand here,
Like you're supposed to be under control, then I'll be
under control. But when you're yelling, it's not like I go, oh, okay,
I'm gonna calm down as you're chewing.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
My neck off.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Yes, Paul, this is a really tough question because the
first when I looked at this, like is it Mike
McDaniel style or Brian Flores' style Old style?
Speaker 6 (13:01):
They're a year and a half difference in age.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Mike McDaniel's not twenty six, he's forty one and Brian
Flores is forty three. So they grew up in the
same NFL. They just have two different directions. I do
agree with you though, there always has to be some
light level of fear for your job to some level,
no matter where you're working. You don't want people too
terribly comfortable. You want to be positive and get the
most out of them. But if they're completely comfortable, I
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think that's dangerous as well.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
But also it's when you raise your voice. If you
don't raise it very often, but when you do, now
I have your attention. It's like with my daughters. They
know doesn't happen often. When it does, there's trouble. But
if you do it all the time, then you kind
of you know, you know, tune that out. But you're
I mean, growing up in these coaches that that's what
(13:49):
you did.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
You Woody Hayes.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
He was yelling at youa BeO Scham Beckler yelling at you,
Bob Knight yelling at you. You know, even Mike Kruyzhevsky.
I went to one practice and I was like, whoa
coach k simmer down? But he, you know, he'd learned
with Bob Knight.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
I like Mike.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
McDaniel's approach, but it doesn't sound like he's a head
coach with all of that encouragement. But if it works
for the Dolphins and works for TUA, that's all that matters.
It feels like there still has to be that I
can be a jerk if I have to be a jerk.
I can raise my voice, I can get your attention,
but I don't think you know the days of slamming
(14:28):
your hand into the wall and then you break your hand,
and then you go.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Boy, that was stupid. He did those days there long. Yeah,
I know.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I had a coach who did that, and it was
one of those where you kind of, you know, kind
of put your hand over your mouth because you're going,
that's stupid. And he heard his hand. He broke his
little finger.
Speaker 8 (14:48):
Yes, Marvin, did you ever hear any stories about Tony
Dungeye raising his voice?
Speaker 4 (14:52):
No?
Speaker 8 (14:54):
Like, what was his style to get his guys so
motivated and have such great teams when he was playing,
he seems so mild man.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
That's the way it is.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
But once again, he if he raised his voice, it's
different than the octave that somebody else might be raising
their voice. Tony could raise his voice, but in a
way that he would be disappointed in you. But I've
never heard him yell. Never, even if when we were
football night in America for what eight or nine years,
(15:23):
never heard him raise his one. Now he would deliver
a message in a way that was he was angry
at himself or disappointed in something, but it was never
raising his voice.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Yeah, Pauling, that's the guy who's going to bring up.
Tony Dungee seems like the first old school new style.
When we started having him on before he worked with him,
We're like, this guy is so soft spoken, how does
it work? But then there's also the caveat is was
Tony Dungee. I mean, he was a great coach, but
he had Peyton Manning, which makes your coaching style seem
so much better than Mike McDaniels. I'm sure he's a
(15:57):
very good coach, but having Tyreek Hill and Jalen Wattle
breaths the success. It's like, does your style work or
does your personnel and style work?
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Yeah? I mean Mike McDaniel that's a different cat man.
He was. He was chill, funny sense of humor.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Almost felt like he would be the quarterback coach as
opposed to the head coach.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
But if it.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Works, you know the Giants the Bears when they had
Ditka yelling and everybody, Giants with Bill Parcells yelling and everybody.
I mean, they're just certain coaches. That's why you know, Saban,
I don't know if he yells as much as he
just delivers a stinging kind of criticism there, and you know,
(16:41):
maybe Belichick the same way. We'll talk about that when
we come back. We'll hear from Tom Brady what he's
saying about rookie quarterbacks, how things have changed, also the
new style of rookie quarterbacks. Will talk about that when
we return after this.
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Speaker 2 (17:37):
We will settle on a poll question. For hour one seaton,
we'll do the honors. We'll hear from Tom Brady talking
about rookie quarterbacks and how things have changed over the years.
In fact, he sat down with Stephen A. Smith over
the weekend and here's a portion of what he had
to say about a rookie crisis in the NFL.
Speaker 11 (17:57):
I had to learn from being seventh quarterback on the
depth chart to moving up to third to ultimately being
a starter. I had to learn all those things in college.
That was development. Then I went to New England and
I was developed by coach Belichick and the offensive staff there.
I didn't start my first year. I think it's just
a tragedy that we're forcing these rookies to play early.
(18:18):
But the reality is the only reason why that is
because we've dumb the game down, which has allowed them
to play.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
It used to be thought of at a higher level.
Speaker 11 (18:25):
We used to spend hours and hours in the offseason
and training camp trying to be a little bit better
than next year. But I think what happens is discourages
the coaches from going to deep levels because they realize
the players don't have the opportunity to go to a
deep level. So they're just going to teach them where
they're at.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Okay, this feels like it's more about Tom Brady than
it is the rookie crisis that's going on with quarterbacks.
You have Jaden Daniels, you have Bo Nicks. They have
played over fifty games. So in the style that you're
playing in college is similar to what you have in
the NFL. It didn't used to be that, but now
(19:01):
it feels like the NFL is adopting the college style
because you had, you know, offensive minded geniuses. Mike Leach
kind of changed thing, June Jones. You had these offensive
minded head coaches who were changing the style of football,
and it's a passing game.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I'm looking at Caleb Williams. He's been a professional. Bo
Nix has been a professional. Jaden Daniels is being a professional.
They've been at two different universities. Also, they're getting paid,
so it's not that shock of Hey, I'm getting money.
I think they're more advanced coming in than they've ever
been before. But Tom talking about and Tom's playing to
(19:40):
a crowd, by the way, so Tom is making it
seem like back in my day, we walked up hill
both ways to get to school. Okay, I know it's
Tom and the greatest quarterback ever. I don't agree with
what he's saying he's making about his story. Tom was
not this guy who played like four games Michigan. He
(20:00):
started his junior and senior year. So he came in
and Tom wasn't highly thought of. That's why he was
drafted where he was drafted. If you're a first round
draft pick, if you've played fifty games, you're ready. Bo
Nicks is twenty four. Michael Pennox I think is twenty five.
(20:21):
Jaden Daniels is probably twenty four. It's different now you
had COVID year, the transfer portal nil, and it feels
like they're more advanced and ready to play right away.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Yeah, seton.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
He's not wrong though, Like that's the weird thing is that,
like Tom Brady's not wrong.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
You do have to be given time to develop, and so.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
It how many times have we seen somebody you know,
Like it's like the pressure to go right from the
draft to playing in the NFL for a quarterback, for
most quarterbacks is too much. There are a few that,
I mean, let's see how Jayden Daniels does. He might
be super dival. Let's see how bo Nicks does. We
have no idea if any of them are going to
be any good yet really true?
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Yeah, yeah, Trey Lance, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
He didn't play a whole ton, but and he really did,
hasn't done anything.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Well, he didn't have any experience. We're talking about guys
who played fifty games. You know, Trey Lance played one
season and while he was great, perfect that season, he
didn't play. And you know, you're coming from a successful program,
but are they? I mean, bow Knicks is running Auburn's offense,
(21:37):
and then Oregon's offense. Caleb is running Oklahoma's offense, and
then USC's offense, and then these coaches are catering these
offenses to their quarterbacks. It didn't used to be that way.
You had to adapt to the coach's style. This is
the style that he plays. Nick Saban had to change.
Nick Saban brought in Lane Kiffin because he needed to
(21:58):
upgrade his offense of mind, he needed to expand what
he had because he had unbelievable wide receivers. You didn't
think of Alabama quarterbacks as great. Now it's different, but
back you know, a while ago, you were a quarterback
who maybe was asked to throw fifteen times, hand the
ball off. They were going to play great defense, and
(22:18):
they were going to win games. These kids, now they're
ready to go. You know, they go to these camps,
seven on seven camps, eleven on eleven camps, they're they're
already emulating the style of offense that you see in
the NFL.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Yes, Paulin, it does feel like listen to that cut again,
I think scenes got a point.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Tom's knows so much about quarterbacking.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
It does feel like he's critiquing the teams and handling
of quarterbacks and saying they're too reactionary, they're too trustworthy
of these young people and not forcing.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Them to sit.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
If you look at it was just you know, six
or seven years ago, Mahome set an entire season. Now,
he wasn't a superstar coming out of college. Oh, he
wasn't advanced, He wasn't a sure thing was the Drit's
project were used around him. But it is interesting like, oh,
you think, okay, he's twenty four, he's ready, but why
not six games? Why not sit for six games in
startum in November? The Denver Broncos are not winning the
(23:09):
Super Bowl. So are they going to think short term
or long term? I think that may be worth Brady
as saying, well, I'm for a quarterback sitting. I don't
you know.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I think there's benefits of playing, but I think there's
benefits of just watching because just understand the speed of
everything that happens. Understand that, you know, when there's live
bullets there and they're actually calling in plays, you got
to process the play. You got two plays at the
line of scrim like all of that. But if bo
Nix is already capable of starting in Denver, given Sean
(23:43):
Payton's offense, which is very quick, fast paced, okay, then
I think you're ready to play in the NFL. And
not everybody is, but Jayden Daniels that's a lot of experience,
Caleb Williams, that's a lot of experience. And it just
feels like they've been semi pro quarterbacks for a few
years now. Tom played twenty five games in his Michigan career.
(24:06):
That's not a lot.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
That's two seasons. That's not a lot.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
But these kids now coming in, they're playing freshman year,
sophomore year. How many games will quinn Ewers be playing
when he's all done at Texas, probably forty games. You're
going to be ready to go into the NFL. Now,
should you dumb down the I don't know what Tom means.
I would like to have had Steven a follow up
(24:34):
and say, what do you mean dumb down?
Speaker 4 (24:35):
And maybe he did.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
That was at the Fanatics Fest that was in New
York City, But I'd like to have heard, Hey, what
does dumb down the offense mean for these quarterbacks? Cause
it might be We're going to give you one or
two reads and then that's it. You know, it's either
this or that. Kyle Shanahan with what he's doing with
Rock Purty, are they dumbing down the offense for Brock Perty?
(24:58):
I don't think Kyle Shanahan's offense they would be doing that.
Mike McDaniel, did he dumb down the offense? Vertua doesn't
seem that way. So that's why I'm a little confused
with that. And look, Tom's forgotten more about quarterbacking than
I know. But Todd called for Tom Brady on it. Yeah,
(25:18):
just to be fair, we should have him and I
can ask him just one question, what do you mean
by dumbing down the offense? And just see what he says.
But I like that Tom's opinion. You know, we're hearing
Bill Belichick be opinionated. I saw him on McAfee yesterday.
He's breaking down the Pittsburgh Steelers offensive line. Now he
(25:39):
would never do that with the Patriots when he was coaching.
But you know, I like this this opinion. Hearing that opinion,
it's great. He's probably watching tape like I was. I
was geeking out that. You know, here's Belichick a little
more animated than he used to be when he was
a coach. But he's getting paid an awful lot to
(26:00):
be animated. It was good, it was fun, it was interesting.
I mean, you got to be a football nerd to go, yeah,
tell me about that tackle with his Steelers and you
know he's talking about the quarterbacking situation. That's not the
problem the offense. The offensive line is the problem there.
I'm like, all right, tell me Bill, you go, Bill, yes, Eton.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
You know, for all of these guys that we mentioned
that are working out, there's probably a dozen Kenny Picketts
who played forty fifty games in college.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
And maybe it should have been Dumbe down more for him.
Maybe he shouldn't have been a first round draft pick.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
Right, maybe he shouldn't have been a first round draft pick,
but he had tons of experience, He had tons of
time to develop, and was coming in much more mature
than a lot of other quarterbacks had previously.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I don't think he was mature at all. I think
he had problems. I think that's why he's a backup
quarterback in Philadelphia. I don't know if he's going to
be a starter, But you're right, these teams are willing
to take a risk on a quarterback now that they
didn't used to. That You'll go, may not be a
first round talent, but we need a quarterback. Let's take him,
get him on a rookie salary, and then maybe we
(27:10):
can build around him. You know, Russell Wilson played well,
he got kicked to the curb at NC State, and
then he went to Wisconsin. He had played a lot
of football and was mature when he got to the
NFL and ready to go a lot sooner than a
lot of people. Dak Prescott pressed into action, and he
seemed like he was ready to go at an earlier
(27:31):
age than you would have thought. So look, we can
find a ton of quarterbacks who failed and a ton
that succeeded. Some have experienced, some didn't. But I think
for the most part we're looking at here is the
chain of command that if you go three years in
college where you're starting, who's your head coach? I mean,
(27:54):
how many defensive minded head coaches do you have in
college football? It feels like I mean, Jim Harball was,
but that's a former quarterback, but he wanted, you know,
his teams to play great defense. I mean Ryan Dave
is an offensive minded head coach at Ohio State. A
lot of these guys are offensive minded head coaches because
that's what the game has evolved into.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
What's pole quest?
Speaker 7 (28:17):
Yeah, did you see that Tom gave his top five
active quarterbacks. Yes, he had Maholmes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,
Joe Burrow, and Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Okay, that seems about right right, fine with that? Yeah,
surprises there, right? No, No, I mean not for me.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I figured if I mean, I guess Aaron Rodgers maybe
just because of his age and coming back from the injury.
But you know, Tom may be acknowledging Aaron Rodgers because
you know, he was somebody who was he was competing
with when he was playing. Tom is starting to sound
like he's, you know, a fifty year old man with
these opinions back in the day. Now he's only forty seven,
(29:04):
but he sounds like back in the day. So it's
just different. And you know Tom was drafted by Belichick. Well,
Belichick's not going to turn the you know, reins over
to a rookie quarterback back then. Now, I did that
with Mac Jones and that didn't work out well, and
maybe mac Jones shouldn't have been a first round draft
(29:25):
pick there.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Yeah, Paulin McAfee actually brought that up to Belichick yesterday.
He said, when did you see something with Brady?
Speaker 4 (29:31):
He goes. It wasn't on the field.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
It was his work ethic as a rookie, the tape
he would watch, the extra stuff he would do, He goes.
I started noticing this kid doing a little more than
the other rookies, staying a little later than the other rookies,
he goes. So then the football part started showing up
a little later.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
It was interesting.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
He was talking about his work ethic was the first
thing he noticed, not football play.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
But Tom, you know, he's the unicorn here that where
he was drafted what happened the injury to Drew Bledsoe
then he comes in. You know, even when he was playing,
they were talking about dumbing down the offense. John Madden
famously was saying that in the Super Bowl when Tom
won his first one, they're like, yep, they're probably going
to play for overtime. Meanwhile, Brady came out and started
(30:13):
throwing the football.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
They didn't dumb down the offense in the Super Bowl,
the most crucial time of Tom's young career.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
So I know that's.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Tom being Tom and now being an analyst, and I
like it. I like that he's got some opinions. Well
that would okay, did that? Did that sound a little
too much? Tom says that they're there's a crisis in
the NFL. Wah wah crisis twenty twenty four. That sounds
(30:47):
like news coverage. Oh yeah, let me get the exact quote.
So he believes that they're dumbing down the offenses. Oh no,
I think it's just a trag it's not a tragedy.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Tragedy. It's called her a crisis, all right. I don't
think it's that drastic there the crisis.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Awesome prayers, Yeah, t's and p Yeah, and maybe Tom
needed to spend hours in the off season in training
camp trying to be a little bit better because he
didn't come in with any fanfare. These quarterbacks are coming in,
you know, Heisman Trophy winner, runner up, and you know
(31:36):
they're they're feels like they've already become celebrities when they
come in. Where's Tom came in? It was like, oh,
look at that, I mean, look at I aim at the combine.
Didn't stand out for any other reason. Then wait, he's
a quarterback. All right, we'll take a break. Uh got
her Play the Day coming up. Phone calls as well,
and uh, we'll talk to Diana Russini. She has a
(31:59):
new podcasts with Chase Daniel. She spent some time with
Sean Payton, and we'll get an idea if bo Nicks
is going to be your starter in Denver.
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my shoes and look both ways, I learned don't swing
at a three ozero pitch. And I didn't even play baseball.
And I'm reading here MLB managers have a hard rule
with their lineups, don't do this. There's a story about
Evan Longoi, remember the real good hitter for the Tampa
Bay his team had a rule do not swing on
three ozho pitches. His rookie year, he did it three
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different times and was three for three with two home
runs and got in trouble, got yelled at by his manager.
That's not our team strategy. Do you think pitchers have
not the green light but the opposite, like a little
bit of freedom to be able to throw it right
down the middle.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
Of oh the hitters? Did the hitters have the freedom
to just swing?
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Because you hear those two guys in the clubhout and
they met's booth or like, don't do it, don't do it,
don't do it.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, but that's old school, Like I mean, if you
saw baseball in the future back in the seventies, you'd
be like, wait, what are they doing? So, I mean
you got to be fair to whatever they're asking their
players to do. Now, the philosophies, it still feels like
three to zero you would not swing. But you know,
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new school, old school.
Speaker 7 (35:40):
Yeah, I think it really all depends on who the
hitter is, you know. I mean, if you have a good, say,
contact hitter or something, and they get a pitch they
like on three to oh, then hit it.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
It's analytics I'm sure too, that'll factor in yes time.
Speaker 9 (35:56):
I don't remember a littleage coach ever saying, swing as
hard as you can, ever get bat, hit as many
home runs as you can, I don't care how much
you strike out, which is what they do now.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah, but your little league philosophy is a whole lot
different than the big leagues because kids aren't hitting home
runs at a prodigious rate, so that's different. Plus he's
trying to get on base.
Speaker 7 (36:16):
Even at a little league level, there were kids that
were like, yeah, man, swing and other kids like, why
don't you let's have a good eye up there, Bud,
Let's let's take it, take it.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Don't be a free to take a.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Pitch walks as good as a hit, walks as good
as a hit as the rules come.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
It's funny rods que to do that, I know. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (36:38):
Yeah, if you're the nine hitter, no no, no, wait that
because now at the top of the order is coming,
especially at the bottom of the ninth, we.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Have hit a nine hole. You're in the ninth hole,
you're not you're not going to be swinging. But if
you're you know, three or four in the lineup, yeah,
go after it. A little bit yes time or wanting one.
Speaker 9 (36:56):
Of your players to actually lean into and try to
get hit by the pitch anyway you can get on
baseball taker.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, I never had the green light. But then I mean,
how many players today do they give the green light
on three? I don't know. Tim Kirschin's going to join
us a little bit later on, we can ask him
about that. Also, they Baseball floated this out that they
might make it mandatory to go six innings. Your starter
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goes six innings. Now, once again it was floated out there.
I don't know, how do you enforce this that you
go out there like they want to bring back the
presence the importance of a starting pitcher. But if I'm
a pitcher, I just say, oh, I tweaked my arm
if I'm getting rocked around. But like this feels when
(37:45):
Baseball does this, then I get nervous because it feels
like it's already we're, you know, pretty far down the
line that maybe this is something they're going to try
to enforce.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Yes, PAULM.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
Jesse Rogers of ESPN dot com talked to a bunch
of different gms and pitching coach and hitting coaches, and
they said the league is looking at a bunch of
different options to keep starting pitchers more relevant in the game,
and one of those things is six innings. They said
instantly there'd have to be some caveats to get out
of it. If you threw one hundred pitches in your
last start, you wouldn't be subject to this rule. If
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you've just given up in that game four or more
earned runs, you can now leave the game. If you
got injured, of course, then you could leave the game. Okay,
So there's one of the ideas they're kicking around.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Well, I would love to have the starting pitcher still
be relevant because we grew up on that that you
led with those pitchers. You were winning a playoff series
because you had Bob Gibson, or you had Tom sever
you know, Steve Carlton, Sandy Kofax. Now that's what you want.
You wanted that our horse is going out there and
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he's probably going to pitch three games in a seven
game series. That's not the case anymore. Sometimes you don't
even know the starting pitcher, or you'll get a reliever
who's going to be your starter because he's going to
pitch two innings. Like there, it's just different. It's a
different philosophy, but I don't know if you can enforce that,
(39:11):
but we'll talk to Tim Kirkchin.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
Yes time.
Speaker 9 (39:13):
Also for the fans, I remember growing up. I know
times are different now and guys pitched three innings and
they're pulled. But I would look for specific games where
I want to see that picture and I'm going through
that game specifically to see that matchup with that particular pitcher,
And that's the main reason I'm going through that game.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, it used to be that was your like, that's
why Paul skeenes. You know, there's a tune in factor
to watch him. How many pitchers do you go? Oh, okay,
I'll watch him.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Now.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
The Pirates may shut down Paul's skeens because you know,
they want to make sure that he's healthy down the stretch.
They're going to be eliminated from the postseason. He may
not win Rookie of the Year as a result, but
they may. They got forty games left, I think, and
they're thinking about shutting him down, which would be a
shame for the Pirates as far as the fans go. Oh,
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but you know, this is the club trying to protect
their investment. There yes, Paul.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
Going back to the thing with six innings. I wonder
you'd think that the players union would fight this because
they protect the players in every way. But if I'm
a starting pitcher, I think I'd be in favor of
this rule because the more innings I go, the more
relevant I become, the more valuable I become. The days
of you know, a starting pitcher geting two hundred and
fifty million, I don't know if that's going to happen
anymore because you could patchwork your your staff. But if
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I'm a starting pitcher, I want to go seven.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Is Garrett Cole going to be the last pitcher to
get paid in a third amount of money that I
mean that was like two hundred and fifty million dollars?
Speaker 4 (40:40):
I think yes, Marvin, maybe Paul Skins might be the
last one. Yeah, yeah, se right.
Speaker 7 (40:46):
I mean, if you're a starting pitcher, you want to
go seven until you give up five runs in the
second because you just don't have it that day and
you're like, oh crap, I'm dead. I got to do
another with four or five innings of this, like you can't.
Is there any major sport that says you if you
play you have to play this amount of time. I
don't think that that exists anywhere in sports. If you
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start the game, you have to go at least this
amount of time before you can come out.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Tim Kirkchin will join us a little bit later on.
Is Bonnick's going to be the starter in Denver. We'll
find out in about a half hour from now. We'll
get to your phone calls, update the poll results as well.
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