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October 24, 2025 41 mins

Dan discusses Aaron Rodgers’ comments as he heads into the weekend facing down his old team in Wisconsin. NBA reporter Brian Windhorst discusses the ongoing gambling scandals rocking the NBA, and how the league is responding. The crew discusses who had the best week in sports, and the definition of a week to boot.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Two on this Friday, A Meet Friday at that tried chip,
French dip, sandwiches and poutine. Who has it better than
we do? No. Eight seven to seven three DP show.
More phone calls coming up. Brian Winhorse from the mother Ship.
We'll see if he has any new information on what
took place yesterday in the morning and most of the

(00:26):
afternoon as well. Given Chauncey Billups and Terry Rogier, also
Damon Jones. Those are the basketball players involved in this
web poll question. Update the poll question question from the
first hour of the program. And keep in mind on
Sunday night, it's Aaron Rodgers against the Packers and that's

(00:47):
the Steelers hosting Green Bay Sunday seven Eastern no on
NBC and Peacock. And I know people are probably looking
at this as all it's that payback game for Aaron Rodgers.
He's going to get back at the Packers for something
that they did. Packers didn't do anything to Aaron Rodgers.
They let him stay longer than they probably should have.

(01:08):
And Aaron Rodgers he might have took some of the
wind out of the sales here of this matchup, this
rivalry of sorts. When he said this yesterday, I.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Feel so good about my time, man, because damn near
everything great in my life is because of you know,
my football career, and my football career starts and we're
in one day with Green Bay.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
So we got a lot of love for all those
memories and a lot of great friends still carry with
me to this day. If I'm NBC, I'm like, what
are you doing? You know, can you say something negative
about Jordan Love or Green Bay or come on, we
need some bulletin board. Not I'm going to end my career.
He'll sign a one day contract to retire as a
Green Bay packer. Come on, Aaron, you got to understand

(01:52):
content here or in the content business. Yes, Marvin, you
should have talked to Tua to once again. If it's
two versus the microphone, the microphone wins every time. Because
somebody asked him about he didn't throw many passes to
Jaylen Waddle and then he said that he couldn't see
him because the linemen are too big. Just say, maybe

(02:20):
he has to learn out a lie. Yeah, they should,
you know, take some of these quarterbacks and have them
in a classroom and teach them what to say, what
not to say, how to say it, how not to
say it. Because when Tua goes, I I mean once again,
I'm in the content business. I love when he gets
behind a microphone. But don't admit you're too short. Hey,

(02:43):
I can't see over the linemen, so I couldn't throw it,
Jayleen Waddle. Yes, Todd Boenis.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
Had five of his passes blocks and still found a
way to get thirty three fourth quarter points. I'll just
drop the mic Oh oh, there's no excuse about that.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Life of a college. But I love now.

Speaker 5 (03:00):
I don't remember.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
I don't think bonus anything about being too short. That's
why five passes were.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Did you buy the Bonex jersey yet? I have not.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
That's just because that's not That's not because I haven't
bought it. I bought one. I bought one for Jordan
and my son. I sent him the old retro nineteen
seventy seven to one. And you know, if I buy
another jersey, because I had so many of them, it would.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Probably Do you get a Russell Wilson jersey? I did not.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
I got other Russell Wilson's shirts which were ridiculous that said,
you know, that had him next to Peyton Manning and
John Elway like they were going to be like the
three great Bronco Super Bowl champions.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
I was a person. By the way, the stat of
the Day brought to you my Padini America, the official
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Danpatrick dot com store. All right, Seaton, pull question from
our one and do we have the Hall of Good
T shirt? Yeah, that's up there. That's up there.

Speaker 6 (03:52):
There's also a Dodgers T shirt up there as well.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Okay, yeah, World Series opening up tonight. I just want
to make sure I tune in for the first that
when shoe Hey Otani comes to the plate and how
Toronto is going to react to him. Remember we had
Steve Phillips on the former Mets GM and he's like, ah,
you know, I think all signs are leading to Toronto.
And I think he was affiliated with the Blue Jays

(04:18):
maybe I don't know what kind of role, but he
talked about you know, because I thought, all right, he
should know. And then all of a sudden there was
a report that Shoe Aotani's jet was going to Toronto,
and then it wasn't it. It might have been his jet,
but he was in the jet when it was going
to Toronto. So those fans might be a little frosty

(04:39):
there with show Hay in his first at bat.

Speaker 7 (04:41):
Yes, Paul Bigger, all Time, pump fake show Hay to
the Blue Jays, Lebron to the Knicks.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
I would say Lebron to the Knicks, because I'm probably
reminding people that Toronto was in the sweepstakes here for show. Hey,
we you had some Jared Dudley was on the Knicks,
wasn't he And he was talking about that he's hearing
that Lebron's going to the Knicks. I would say that
the proximity of when he made his announcement, He's in Connecticut,

(05:10):
not far from where the Knicks practice, and I thought, okay,
maybe there's a possibility.

Speaker 7 (05:15):
Yeah, Paul, we were in the old studio, so I
remember it like it was yesterday. And we get the
word that Lebron is doing his announcement at the Boys
and Girls Clubs of Greenwich, five minutes from the Knicks
practice facility, just over the border, and we all looked
at each other said he's going to the Knicks.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, we all set it. Yeah. I would say that
that was the ultimate pump fake. I don't know if that.
I don't know people think that it was that close
with Shohy going to Toronto. I think there were reporroneous
reports and therefore it felt like it was a little
bit more front burner, and it wasn't. I don't even
think he was on the stove. All right, So World

(05:49):
Series coming up tonight. Shay Gilgis Alexander had fifty five
last night. They had another double overtime game. You also
had Steph Curry with a big night. Aaron Gordon puts
up fifty as well. So some of the basketball last night.
Looking at some of the games this weekend in the

(06:11):
NFL and also in college, and I'd like to look
at the points spreads here just to see, like the
Titans at the Colts. The Titans fourteen and a half.
That's a lot. The Titans are gonna They're gonna knock
off somebody. The Colts are scoring a lot. This is
one of those gotta win We're gonna do. The most

(06:32):
must win game of the weekend coming up a little
bit later, on the Cowboys and the Broncos that is spicy,
the Dolphins at the Falcons. You know, these teams eventually
pull it together for one game, like the Jets are
going to surprise somebody. Brown's Patriots. That's at the Patriots.

(06:57):
Bill's minus seven at the Panthers. Like these are those
tricky games where you go, it's seven. Although Bryce Young
I don't think he's playing. I think he's when he
got injured against the Jets. The Buccaneers at the Saints.
This is where I always go with the team that
you don't think will win. It's at the Saints and

(07:18):
maybe the Saints, you know, surprise somebody, the Niners, Texans.
The Bears are getting six and a half against the
Ravens and the Ravens have one win. So you have
a four and two team versus a one win team.
H Yes, see our two pole question. Who do you

(07:41):
like this weekend? The four and two.

Speaker 6 (07:42):
Bears at plus six point five or whatever six and
a half or the one in five Ravens.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
How is that possible?

Speaker 6 (07:52):
Lamar Jackson's not even healthy.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
But I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if he's
playing yet. I think he was that practice but I
don't know if he was participating. Feels like probably would be.
If you're going to six, you're favored by six and
a half. Good. I gotta believe that he's playing. I

(08:15):
mean that screams, Oh, I'm taking the Bears in the
six and a half, right. It's like, man, that's easy
money here.

Speaker 7 (08:21):
Yeah, Paully, It's like Vegas doesn't have the same opinions
that we do. You know, foreign too. Oh, the Bears
are doing well, they're on a hot streak. The Ravens
are in disarray. Vegas doesn't believe that they're looking at
this game different than the records.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, but you know what Vegas has been on top
of the Ravens that they're not that far away from
winning this division. At least last week or the week before,
the odds were better than the Bengals and not that
far off from the Steelers. Oh, maybe the schedule's pretty
easy in the second half and Lamark comes back and

(08:58):
they started out slow I think last year and then
turned it around. But I don't know. It just feels
you take out the ping pong tables and you know,
corn hole. I don't know. And then John Harball said,
I didn't take it out. The players did, the captains,
the leaders took it out right, Okay, all right if

(09:19):
you tell me that. Okay, I'm not sure what it's
going to meet now? We mean, because hey, no more
games here. The only game we play is the one
on the field.

Speaker 8 (09:27):
Yes, so that's their version of a player's only meeting,
like you know what, guys, Oh, no more toy like
you know what, guys got that?

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah? You had me there like a great pauses yes, yes, yes, yes,
let's see Lucas and Texas leads us off hour two. Hi, Luke,
Hey dang, good morning, good morning.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
You know, there's lots of legal proceedings.

Speaker 9 (09:55):
And conversations going on right now, and I need to
bring that to bear on the DP show. I have
some evidence, and then I have an accusation against one
of the Danets. I have reviewed the footage from the.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
Last two meat Fridays, and there is a certain Danette
soon to be named, who is extremely slow, in particular,
going through the line. Everyone else is actually sampling the food,
and he's making a very clear effort to have a
perfect plate, a sampling every little bit of every little dish.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Now, this is personal to me.

Speaker 9 (10:27):
Because I grew up with a father who did the
very same thing and drove our family nuts because he
would just be sitting down while everyone else had already
finished up. So my claim, which I lead to the
jury of the other Danets and Dan yourself.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
Is that one Paul pass oh Friday passhole of the
DP show.

Speaker 7 (10:46):
Okay, Paulie, I think I knew it was me with
the accusation. I like to enjoy and peruse the lovely
spread that our team puts out for us, and I'm
very grateful for it. So I take a look at
it and I try to sample everything, whether I might
not like it or not, so I look at that
as a positive. I try not to clog the lane though.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Okay, yes, Judd, I.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Don't think I'm a lane clogger. I have problems with
other lanes on the highway, but I'm I guess the opposite.
I like to have everything in one big mound or clump,
and that could all be on top of each other,
and I treat it as if the last meal and
there's going to be no time or room for seconds.

Speaker 5 (11:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
I always tell you, I said, Tod, you can always
go back, but you go all in on one, you know,
one passed through and that's it.

Speaker 10 (11:30):
I get excited.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
I'm like, I'm going to take a little or a
lot of each of these things.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Andrew in Washington, Hi, Andrew, what's on your mind?

Speaker 10 (11:38):
Good morning, Dan danned Thanks for taking my call. I
just wanted to talk a little bit about the gambling
scandal that's going in the NBA and maybe something that
kind of steered it in the direction and gave it
some of the information that it needed. And it might
be from a friend of the show, some informations out
there that they're connecting all three of these players to
Rick the Tino. That has nothing to do with it.

(11:59):
If you look back, the Feds did a raid in
July of twenty twenty two, and in that raid, all
they took was money, which tells you they were looking
for other things. Now when they do these raids, they
might be asking for information. Because everybody knows about Sammy
the Bolgervano, everybody knows about Michael Francici. They are snitches
and so that's how the Feds do this. They get
ideas and then they need somebody to break Now. Unfortunately,

(12:21):
if you look at it, the court case for this
person that had the July twenty twenty two raid was
in September of twenty twenty five. His co conspirators are
actually connected to a transnational Israeli crime organization. And the
sad part about it is you look at it differently
today because this friend of the show's son was also

(12:43):
an auto accident that was supposedly from a steering wheell malfunction.
Now it might be taking a few steps, but I
do believe there's information that Gilbert Arenez has provided to
be able to soften his case of conspiracy at his
Latino home when he kind of got raided in July
twenty twenty two. I didn't know if Gilbert has been
contacted or might be able to come on the show

(13:05):
or can talk about it.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Thank you, Andrew. Once again, that is speculation. Gil is
not talking, and if he is, he'll be talking on
his own podcast. Can I connect the Dodds. No, there's
only so much information we have now. I have made calls.
I did talk about, you know, Gilbert Arenas in his situation,

(13:29):
but once again, you can't just throw it out there.
I mean, this is really serious. This is potentially devastating
to the NBA. If one of your coaches maybe gave
information to gamblers, and what happens is you get compromised,
and maybe Chauncey Billups got compromised, or Gilbert Arenas got compromised,

(13:50):
or Terry Rogier or Damon Jones. Then you have to
give us information you owe us. You can pay off
your debt. This is how it works.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
Now.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
I'm not saying that happen, but you have to look
at these things wide eyed and say, why would Gilbert
Arenas or why would Chauncey Billups get involved in this?
Sometimes you get involved in something and you don't know
what you're involved in until it's too late. Now you
get compromised and did that happen? We don't know. But

(14:21):
I got to be fair to the investigation here because
you can speculate. And this isn't This isn't a time
or a place for hot takes. Not with something like this.
You can have a hot take on the Viking season,
not on this.

Speaker 11 (14:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Pauline.

Speaker 7 (14:38):
Gilbert Arenas on his own personal Twitter verified Twitter yesterday
posted kind of a jokey photograph of him with a
bag of food. It says, got that informant lunch special.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
This morning. That was nineteen hours ago.

Speaker 7 (14:50):
You know, so Gilbert is having fun with it on
social media.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
But didn't he have one about Gilbert the snitch that
I didn't see? Was there something on that yesterday? Marvin,
He's he's been kind of having fun with this.

Speaker 8 (15:04):
He's alluded to it in a couple of times on
his podcast. He alluded to it a little bit. And
then I think the some of the co hosts were like,
don't play like that.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, all right, let me take a break. Brian Windhorst
will join us on Loan from the Mothership, more of
your phone calls, and the man who gave us round
Ball Rock, John Tesh, will stop by to perform Roundball
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Speaker 2 (16:19):
Coming up will zero in on some of the Marquis
matchups college and pro football. Also, the most must win
game of the weekend, we'll have that for you coming
up as well. Cindy and North Carolina while we wait
for Brian Winhorse from the Mothership. Hi, Cindy, what's on
your mind?

Speaker 11 (16:35):
Hi? Long suffering Dolphins fan here. As I was watching
the game last night, I thought, oh, yeah, we played
the next Thursday night. And I looked at our schedule
and I realized, oh my goodness, we have four more
standalone games, including an international game and a flex game,

(16:56):
and then, of course, to cap it all off on
Pearl Harbor Day, we played the Jet So I'm wondering
what would compel the NFL to put us in a
total of six standalone games and a Flex game.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Well, you were a playoff team and they probably looked
at you as with Tyreek Hill and Tua and why
not that they were going to showcase you. They thought
you were actually going to be good, Cindy. They made
a mistake. Even with Tyreek, you guys weren't very good.
The Tuist situation isn't getting better, and it feels like

(17:32):
there's going to be a house cleaning at the end
of the year. But those standalone games are tough because
then everybody has an opinion about your team. If you
played at one o'clock on a Sunday, nobody has an opinion.
But a standalone a Thursday or a Sunday or a Monday,
and then the next day, everybody's got an opinion about
your team. Yeah, Paul.

Speaker 7 (17:52):
And when there's a backup quarterback, the promo has to pivot.
It can't be Carson Wentz Justin Herbert. It's got to
be Justin Jefferson and the offense takes on Justin Herbert.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
H Stu in Indiana. Hi Stu, what's on your mind today?
Hi Dan? Thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, I just had a little You mentioned the coach
in the final scene of Hoosiers the final game. That
coach is that coach's name, He's an actual legendary coach
here in Indiana. His name is Ray Crow. He's probably
in the top five or top ten and all time
wins here in Indiana and high school boys basketball. And

(18:33):
I'm driving, so I didn't have a way to check this,
but I believe he was the head coach of the
high school team from Indianapolis, indian Christmas Attics. And I
think that team was the first high school team in
Indiana that was all black to win a state title.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, that was Oscar Robertson's team. Yeah, Oscar Robertson Christmas Addics. Yeah, Yeah,
I was talking about that. You have this final seconds
turnover and you know, Jimmy Chitwood's gonna hit a game winner,
and the coach was like smiling. I don't know. It
felt like they were taking cutaways and putting him in

(19:12):
and they had to. There should have been a little
more anguish there. Maybe I was looking for a little
more acting from coach. Yes, Pauline.

Speaker 7 (19:20):
So at the end of Hoosier's Jimmy Chitwood holds the
ball for maybe twenty seconds and then takes a shot
in the real game. I think it was mile in
high school. The guy his name was Bobby Plump. He
held the ball for four straight minutes, motionless, with a
tide game, and then took the last shot.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Four minutes no shot clock. Yeah it's not good, but
back then that would have been bad in the movie.
But I thought, if I'd come up on you, then
there can be five seconds and then there's a jump ball.
Not in high school.

Speaker 7 (19:48):
Back in the fifties, there was no shot clock, there
was no five second rule checking a play. Yeah, he
stood there motionless for a five minutes, four minutes.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, that's why all the greatness of Dean Smith. And
then he ran those four corners. I mean he had
Phil Ford, and I don't know, I hated that stalling tactic,
but you had teams that were able to do that. Yeah, Marmon, Yeah,
Michael Jordan on my team, let's run a four corner. Yeah,
talking about but Phil Ford was a great point guard.

(20:17):
He's one of those all time great college players, but
not necessarily a good pro career. In fact, I don't
even know how much he played in the NBA. Ernie d.
Gregorio played for Providence. They went to the Final Four.
Back in the early seventies. He was a dynamic point guard.
He was Rookie of the Year I think for the
Buffalo Braves, coached by Jack Ramsey, and they had Bob McAdoo,

(20:41):
but he kind of trailed off as well. You know,
they're just certain guys that they have these unbelievable college careers.
Rick Mount. Rick Mount's one of the greatest scores in
college basketball history, but he was just kind of undersized
when he went to the NBA. I think the Indiana Pacers.

Speaker 7 (20:56):
Yeah, Paulin Yeah, Phil Ford played seven years in the NBA.
A bit starter, a little bit bench.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, he's a great player, not a great shooter, but
a great leader, great you know, ball handler, run the
four corners. Hey, let's go watch a team stall.

Speaker 8 (21:13):
North Carolina of all like you have.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
You've got a bunch of five stars. Yeah. Well I
don't think they were labeled five stars back.

Speaker 8 (21:19):
Then, but if you go to North Carolina, you're somebody.
Yeah yeah, oh you know what, let's just stall like
were UNBC or somebody like that.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Jason Jason in Phoenix, Hi, jaswit's on your mind?

Speaker 13 (21:33):
Hey, thanks for taking my call, guys, Yeah, yeah, I'm
pretty not happy right now. Like two things really got
me kind of ert. Just this whole pitching situation with
the Dodgers one point five billion dollars, it's just a
it's a monopoly, and then shake go to Alexander Man,
let's push off thing. It just I played basketball. I

(21:54):
cannot stand. I want to like literally fight him, like
watching him push off his people and like the rep
not calling it, like what.

Speaker 10 (22:01):
The heck.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Jason got anger issues? Yeah, to push off it's okay,
you know, great players get away with stuff. Yeah, but
he's pushing off. I know he is.

Speaker 11 (22:14):
He is.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Not to the point where you should want to fight
Shay gilgis Alexander our question?

Speaker 7 (22:26):
Like the tush push bothers me. But Kelsey, I'm not
going to come.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
From I'm not going after you know, Jalen Hurds. Yeah.
Let's see Aiden in Utah, Hi, Aiden, what's on your mind?

Speaker 10 (22:39):
Hey Dan?

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Good morning?

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Good morning?

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah, I've always been in big component Oh sorry, I've
always pushed that the NBA is not really the NFL
is not really to fight back against everybody who claims
it is. I still don't believe that it is. But
just watching this go down. It's it's crazy. I was
watching ESPN yesterday a green he had shams on and
on the bottom ticker it was a promo for ESPN

(23:04):
Bett and it's just like, while they're talking about the
gambling situation, It's like what what what would they what
would have to happen for gambling to be outlawed again?

Speaker 2 (23:14):
It's not happening. That ship has that yacht has sailed.
It's on a ship for that. It's it's it's a yacht.
Brian Windhors, ESPN Senior NBA writer, Wendy, thanks for joining us.
I know you're busy. When did you get a heads
up that, uh, there was something going on here. Let's

(23:35):
start with Chauncey Billups. We knew about Terry Rougier, but
Chauncey Billups and he heads up.

Speaker 14 (23:40):
Good morning Dan. I had no heads up, and I'm
not sure Chauncey did either. You know. I was here
in l A and stay at the same hotel as
the Timberwolves, and I ran into some Timberwolves folks yesterday
in the hotel like an hour after this happened. And
they had been in Portland the night before they played

(24:04):
against the Blazers, some of the players, some of the
folks I talked to who said they talked to Chauncey.
They complimented him on the way the team looked. They
had a real close game, came right down to the
final minute, and their home opener against Minnesota. Chauncey talked
about how excited he was about the team, about how
good of a training camp they had. I don't think
Chauncey knew it was coming either. Maybe he knew he

(24:25):
was the subject of an investigation, that's possible, but the
fact that he was going to get arrested in the
in the wee hours, I don't think he knew was coming.
I'm not sure how much heads up the NBA had.
I'm sure they knew it before I did, but I'm
not sure that's how the FEDS operate.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
What's the worst accusation pertaining to the NBA in your opinion.

Speaker 14 (24:45):
I don't think that this is a scandal that rocks
the NBA to its core. I know that there are
people that are going to use it to say that,
and certainly their association with sports betting can be called
into question, as all people associated with sports can be
a ESPNS can be.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
This.

Speaker 14 (25:06):
Really there's two accusations here, and I think the poker
stuff is fascinating. I mean, you know, this is right
out of a movie. You're talking about mob stuff, You're
talking about cheating at poker games, rigging poker games. That
was all interesting at the press conference. None of that
has anything to do with the NBA. Now there are
potentially NBA people who were at these games. I'm sort

(25:30):
of fascinated that the Justice Department seems interested in protecting
the rights of people playing in illegal poker games, like
they're worried about the victims playing illegal poker games. But
that's for another day. But the Genavizy crime family or
whatever I laughed out loud about four times at that
press conference, that has nothing to do with the NBA.

(25:50):
There's two different cases here. They were tied together in
the announcement, and I understand why they did that. Within
the case against the folks involved with the NBA, there
are two different accusations. One is that that that two
players took themselves out of games so their unders would hit.

(26:10):
Both of them were publicly known. John Tay Porter has
already played guilty UH and has probably been an informant
on this case. The other Terry Rogier, was known and
was investigated by the league, and he continued to play.
And that's definitely something the league has to address, and
I will I talked to Lee about that, and I'll

(26:30):
tell you in a minute what they said. That is
certainly a concern. That is not something that was new news.
It was new that Terry Rogier got federal charges, but
that was not new, So can you can be upset
by that, but it was something the league was already
aware of. The other thing that was accused was three
different individuals were accused of leaking information two betters about

(26:55):
who's going to be available in the games. One was
John cy Bill up one with Damon Jones, and one
is an indirect Orlando Magic player that was unnamed or
the Magic player told somebody who told somebody else, and
they don't even indict anybody there. And that has been
a soft target for the NBA DAN for decades. The

(27:17):
team decides or knows when a star player or any
player is going to play in the morning usually and
then doesn't reflect it on the injury report because they're
worried about strategy and letting the other team know, and
there's this window of hours where there's inside information available.
People have exploited that for decades and that is what
Chauncey Billups and Damon Jones are being accused of. There's

(27:39):
a problem the NBA has tried to address. They've tightened
their injury reporting rules, they've fined teams for not following them,
but there's still a window there that can be exploited
and that's what this is. So it's definitely serious. The
NBA has got to worry about prop betting, and the
Adam Silver has talked about this. This is the addressing

(28:01):
of a problem that has existed for a long time.
It's not nothing, but I don't think it's like a
scandal that's rocking the league. They're going to have to
change some policies, but it's and it's mostly shocking that
it ensnares a Hall of Famer like Chauncey Billups. And
let's wait and see who else might get involved with

(28:22):
a poker because NBA guys like to play poker and
they're not all in casinos, so I'll see about that.
But this is huge headlines, but I'm not sure that
this is the dire scandal that it may seem if
you just watched the press conference yesterday.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Talking to Brian Windhorst of ESPN, senior NBA writer, the
one that stood out was Chauncey Billups letting somebody know
that he was going to be arresting his starters that
they were quote unquote tanking. That to me is troubling
because that's from a head coach. That's not a former
player like Damon Jones. That's a head coach. So that's
the one that's the most troubling for me.

Speaker 14 (29:01):
I would agree, I would agree, and I would say
that in the indictment, and I'm only going by what's
in the indictment, Dan, and I will tell you the
indictments about forty pages long. I read the indictment from
front to back, and I'm not sure how many people
who are talking about the indictment actually read it. Okay,
So in the indictment, it doesn't accuse Chauncey Billups of

(29:23):
selling the information. It does accuse Damon Jones of selling
the information. In fact, in the indictment that names Chauncey
Billup actually doesn't name him. For a first tie was
co conspirator eight, but then gives his resume. It practically
gives a social Security number. It's very clear who it is.

(29:43):
It doesn't say that he did it for money. It
doesn't say what he did it for.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Now.

Speaker 14 (29:47):
Let's if it comes out that he knew that this
individual that he told was going to sell it to betters.
That's really bad. If if if he had some sort
of you know, maybe he owed somebody money and did
it as a favor, If there was some sort of
return from that, then I think you're looking at something serious.
If it was just Chauncey having loose lips, and that
loose lips leading to hundreds of tens of thousand dollars

(30:10):
in betting winnings, that's different. The FBI does not accuse
him of selling it. The FBI accuses Damon Jones of
selling it. In fact, the FBI says that Damon sold
information on Lakers players to multiple games, and one of
the games proved to be wrong. The betters lost the bet,
and the guys wanted their money back. So I am

(30:31):
gonna it is very upsetting that Chauncey is involved in this.
The league has to take serious action as it involves
with their public information versus private information on player availability.
But I am not going to sit here and say,
oh my god, this is the end of the NBA
and everything's got to be reevaluated.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yeah, I mean, we have the headlines and their juicy,
and you're right, we don't do deep dives much anymore.
If you're Adam Silver, what would be your game plan
if you were advising him?

Speaker 14 (31:01):
Yeah. So the first thing I would say is the
thing that the league is going to have to address
is why Terry Rogier was investigated by the league and
was allowed to keep playing. And when the Feds investigat them,
they ended up indicting them. That the league has a
little bit of egg on its face on this one.
So I asked a question of the league, how did

(31:22):
that happen? And this is the answer that they gave
me on the record. League spokesman Mike Bass I'll tell
you his name, but he's speaking for the Adam Silver. Basically,
it's that the NBA is not the Justice Department. They
can't do wire taps, they can't have witnesses roll over
on each other, they can't get access to everybody's text messages.

(31:44):
Then they can do investigation. They can you know, they
can get some access to some people's phones. They can
do investigations in terms of you know, asking people and
and sort of threatening them and whatever. And I even
asked them, I go, well, what did you do in
your investigation? And they say, we're not going to say
what we did because we don't want everybody to know
the taxics we use. But they certainly don't have the

(32:05):
Justice Department. And that sounds a little upsetting, but it's
also candid. You know, the NBA saying we're not the
Justice Department is a candid answer. It's not a satisfactory answer,
but it's a candid answer. So now what Adam Silver
is going to have to do is explain what the
league can do. Okay, they can't be the Justice Department,

(32:27):
but now it's incumbent on him, but what they can
do in these types of investigations. And then here's something
that's just got to be simple, Dan, I've actually talked
about this for years. They've just got to be more
honest with injuries. That the teams cover up injuries for
strategic reasons. I'm not asking them to reveal a player's
exact health information and violate hippo laws, but if forty

(32:51):
people in the team organization. Forty people want to shoot
around that morning and know that the star player is
not playing at six o'clock or at seven o'clock. They
need to tell the world that. And sometimes it is
a game time decision. Sometimes a star player has to
go out there and stretch out and see how his
calf fields, and see how's wrist field or whatnot. Sometimes
the concussion protocol isn't determined until closer to the game.

(33:14):
So say that, you know, but there is this soft
target that the NBA has had for decades. I mean
reporters are asked to operate in that field all the time.
We are asked, you know, to come on television and
say whether Lebron James is playing or not because maybe
we happen to know that he went through shoot around
or something like. Of love's nature. That is something that

(33:35):
the game was tried to get the information and have
gotten that information for decades. So the NBA has got
to tighten that, and this investigation is probably going to
force them to do it. They have tightened it some.
They haven't just put their hands in their pockets. When
sports betting came in, they changed their rules, but the
rules haven't gone far enough, and this accusation is in
the cracks that there are still people operating in.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah, they got to get rid of prop that's you know,
especially college athletes. They should not be involved with prop bets.
There's enough pressure there. I don't know if I mean,
are we too far down the road that if the
NBA said to FanDuel DraftKings whoever Vegas, no more prop bets,
do they have any authority to do that.

Speaker 14 (34:16):
That's not my end of the business. I couldn't tell you.
I would say though, that, like I've not seen gambling
walk back in one. Iota may maybe at some point
it will have to be just for society, but I've
only seen it go one way, and I think you're right.
I think the people that are that are most susceptible
to being compromised are people who have nothing to lose. Okay,

(34:40):
A lot of NBA players have a lot to lose. Okay,
Even John tay Porter, who was holding on to the
NBA by the skin of his teeth, had a lot
to lose. College players, there are certain college players who
know their careers are not going anywhere, who don't have
anything to lose. And so that's college's softs spot. Before

(35:01):
I covered the NBA, I covered the min American Conference. Okay,
there's a ton of players in that conference whose careers
are going to end and where they're at, they have
nothing to lose. That's a soft spot for college. That
may has not been a scandal yet, but I'd be
worried about it, just like you can find me talking
about this this gap that where the NBA, you know,

(35:23):
the game time decision gap. I've talked about that over
the years. This indictment surprised me in terms of Chauncey
Billups being involved, it did not surprise me that this
is the spot where gamblers could take advantage.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Great to talk to you, have a good weekend, Thanks
for taking time. Thank wading here. It's Brian Winhorse, ESPN,
Senior NBA writer. I remember being at the NBA Finals
and somebody had told me some information and yeah, I
wasn't passing it on. I'm not a gambler, but it
was valuable information to a gambler, and I you know,

(35:58):
I didn't really think about it, and they probably didn't
think about it either. But if you put that in
the wrong hands, you know, that's that's when you have
situations like this because and you know, Brian brings up
great things, you know, like Chefty's going to find out
a lot of information, but he's got to be really
careful in what he says with that information because the

(36:20):
amount of money that's bet and you're talking about sometimes
it's a half point, now, the over under point spread, injury,
who's hurt, who might not play, who's not going to
be a hundred? Like just little things. And how many
times do these games come down to, hey, usc Notre Dame?
What was the point spread? Nine and a half? Notre Dame?

(36:42):
One by ten? And that's where people get misconstrued on
oh it's fixed. No, that's Vegas doing its job. Vegas
isn't fixing these games. Vegas is really good at telling
you this is what's going to happen. And that was
a classic example. Is that so weird?

Speaker 6 (37:00):
Wh do you though?

Speaker 2 (37:01):
I know? People? How are they that good? I know?
But people like that's why it's fixed, you know, ten
points spread and they had it at nine and a half.
I give them credit. That's why I don't bet. I
can't beat him. Take a break. The most must win
game of the weekend. We'll have that for you coming up.
More of your phone calls after this. Thanks for listening

(37:22):
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(37:45):
party or tailgates special a great one. Pick up King
Sawaian this weekend. Sliding into the weekend, Let's see, we
got A and M against LSU. Wow. A and M
is favored in that game. Can you imagine if Brian
Kelly loses another game before he goes into maybe the

(38:05):
tougher part of their schedule. A and M is favored
by two and a half at LSU. See that's one
of those that screams LSU. Yeah, PAULI.

Speaker 7 (38:18):
LSU has lost two of their last three. They got
A and M at Alabama, a spicy Arkansas squad, and
then they finished with Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Ole Miss and Oklahoma so Ole Miss runs the football
usually think Lane Kiffin, I'm going to pass the ball.
So you have baseball. You have game one tonight, Game
two on Saturday, Timberwolves at the Lakers. That's Anthony Edwards
against Luka Doncic and Bears Ravens. And you have the

(38:50):
Ravens favored by six and a half at home against
a four and two Chicago Bears. Chicago Bears contenders or
pen there's.

Speaker 7 (39:01):
Is there something between those two because they're neither.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
I think they're contenders.

Speaker 7 (39:10):
I don't think their contention to do any real damage
in the NFC playoffs, Okay, and they're not a bad team.
There's gotta be some type of in between.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Slide into the weekend with a slighter Sunday courtesy at Kingswaian.
You'll find them in the Bakery Deai section of your
local grocery store. Time to play Best Week in Sports?
Who had the best week in sports? By the way,
the most must win game of the weekend, Next hour,
Next hour, Todd Who had the best week in sports?

Speaker 4 (39:38):
George Springer and the Toronto Blue Jayson in thirty two
years That three run homer and they are taking on
the Dodgers starting tonight.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
I like that.

Speaker 6 (39:45):
I like that seatan best week in sports, Victor webin Yama.
He's back back in a big way from some pretty
serious health concerns too. What do you have like forty
fifteen and something.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Ye, it's a great way to announce you are back. Yeah,
that's one of those they forget. Oh what was he
out for? Blood clots? You know that's not one of
those high ankle springs.

Speaker 6 (40:09):
Some kind of thrombosis situation. That's never good, Marvin.

Speaker 8 (40:14):
I'm gonna go with the Oklahoma City thunder SGA, that
whole crew. They raised their banner opening night. They won
two straight double overtime games, and shay Gil just had
fifty five last night.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Yeah, I think you said ninety five in the first
two games, Paulie.

Speaker 7 (40:28):
This is simple, but it's Shoho Tani. The game last
Friday was all timer and a reminder to everybody. He's
gonna win the NL MVP in the next few weeks.
He's got to be an incredible overwhelming odds to win
World Series MVP.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
But when did the week start that we're talking about,
because that was a week ago. Tonight best month though, works.

Speaker 6 (40:50):
I Sometimes I'll go back Friday to Friday.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Okay, yeah, I just wanted I didn't know what our
definition of a week one just under the wire. Does
it start on Sunday or Monday?

Speaker 6 (41:00):
It starts Friday at noon, Friday at noon, because that's
when we're off the air. So our weekend starts Friday
at noon. You can go Friday right up until this
Friday morning. That's how I determined that one.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
That's fine. I mean, just ask a question. That's what
I do for a living. Do you want to give
us an update on the poll results? Do I want to?
Will you? Yes? I will affter the Oh wow, okay,
well that's going to keep everybody. Oh yeah. And then
John Tesh is going to join us and he's going
to play round Ball rock for us. Todd, you're not singing,

(41:36):
We're we're not singing. And the most must win game
of the weekend, we'll have that for you as well.
More of your phone calls. Fritzy Seat and Marv Paula,
yours truly the final hour in this meet Friday after
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