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May 19, 2025 41 mins

Indiana Fever star Caitlin Clark was called for a flagrant foul on Chicago Sky’s Angel Reese and all that did was increase the level of interest for the next matchup in this already heated rivalry. And NBA insider Brian Windhorst stops by to preview the Eastern and Western Conference Finals.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Our.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Two on this Monday, Dan and the Dan Ants Dan
Patrick Show. In case you're just joining us, we did
recap our trip to Atlanta with the celebrity family feud
in Steve Harvey. We were sworn to secrecy. The episode
will be out later on this summer. We of course
will let you know. But we went toe to toe
with the Rich Eisen Show. And I will say that

(00:27):
Marvin and Fritzie had great days. You guys had great
performances there, and I want to thank the opportunity to
go there. Steve Harvey and his staff did a wonderful job,
had a lot of fun. And man, I will say
this about Tyler Perry, He's got some money. It's Tyler
Perry's studios. It's a college campus in Atlanta, and you

(00:50):
go in and gates and then there's buildings. It's unbelievable soundstages,
all kinds of movies and shows being filmed there. And
had a lot of fun. Steve Harvey did his stand
up routine pretty much. It's a stand up routine inside
a game show because you're not going to see a
lot of the things that happened where he interacts with

(01:12):
the Crown, but he was the King of Comedy once again. Yes, yes,
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Steve Harvey just from like, you know, he's Steve Harvey.
I remember King's of Comedy, and you know he's on
TV and stuff like that. But I can't say that
I necessarily followed him all that much. I've always enjoyed
what he's done. And you're like hanging around backstage for
a while and you're waiting and you're like getting dressed,
they got coffee, they got some food or whatever, and
then you get on stage real quick, and then all
of a sudden, you're like.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
Oh my god, that Steve Harvey. Steve Harvey just walked out.
We're really doing this. Steve Harvey just walked out in
front of us and winked at us. Oh my god,
it did hit me. I like freaked out all of
a sudden. It was crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, all of a sudden, it's like, oh boy, this
is about to get Steve Harvey.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
He just walked out.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, And Fritzy was not intimidated at all. He did
is Steve Harvey in person nation to Steve Harvey because
I thought, well, I've asked you to do a few
of your impersonations, right, and like, you know Shannon Sharp
right in front of Shannon Sharp. So why not do
Steve Harvey and do the impersonation.

Speaker 6 (02:12):
He's a good sport. He was a good sport.

Speaker 5 (02:13):
Yeah, And it sounded like this.

Speaker 6 (02:15):
I need Dan, I neid Rich, let's come on to you.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
I don't know if he liked it or not, but
I think he was entertained by the fact that you
thought it sounded like Steve Harvey.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
I got the present.

Speaker 7 (02:29):
You can't think it sounded anything like that effort like
this is a safe thing in exactly.

Speaker 5 (02:33):
I think he even said that sounds nothing like me.

Speaker 6 (02:37):
How long have you been practicing this which doesn't.

Speaker 7 (02:38):
Sound anything like me?

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Brian Windhorse to the mothership. Will stop by Yannis once out?
Who wants Yannis? What can you get in return? If
you're Milwaukee, just joker, go to the front office of
the Nuggets and say, where are we going here? You're
wasting my prime? And his age is similar to you, honest,

(03:00):
and probably looking around going are we? The West is
a whole lot tougher than the East. And if I'm
y honest, I want to stay in the Eastern Conference.
If if my goal is to win another championship, the
team that I would single out, Okay, I'm gonna let
you guys guess.

Speaker 5 (03:17):
Marvin. I'll start with you the team if I'm honest
that I want to go.

Speaker 6 (03:21):
To the Miami Heat.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
Paul I was going to say the Heat.

Speaker 8 (03:26):
I gotta stick with my answer.

Speaker 5 (03:27):
Todd, the Rockets, this is the Eastern Conference.

Speaker 6 (03:33):
I'm gonna go with the.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Never mind and really, no, no, this is family feud.
Eh and you were told not to say I was
gonna go with like on family feud. You have to
just say the answer. You can't say. I was going
to say Seaton Eastern Conference team for Yannis that I

(03:56):
think he should go to.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
The Nick.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
I think there was some speculation would the Knicks be,
you know, one of those teams on his wish list?
Cleveland Cavaliers stay in the East, Cleveland's young, and I think,
you know, you could you could lose a couple of
those players. But if you're Cleveland, you're pretty close, and

(04:23):
I think that that that might be, you know, an
easier path if you're going to try to win a championship.

Speaker 6 (04:29):
Yes, Marvin, if you're Cleveland, who's the one player you
have to.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
Keep Donovan Mitchell.

Speaker 9 (04:36):
You think they're going to, yeah, trade Giannis and still
try to keep Donovan Mitchell.

Speaker 5 (04:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't lose him.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
And and remember, you know, with the Knicks, when everybody's
all in on Jalen Brunson, I remember the New York
reaction when they got Jalen Brunson and didn't get Donovan Mitchell,
and it felt like Jalen Brunson was a consolation prize.

Speaker 5 (04:56):
Dude's a star. And I've talked about this.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
There's there's great players, and I don't want to dive
back into this too deeply, but this proves my point.
Jalen Brunson is more of a star than Jason Tatum.
Jalen Brunson is more of a star than Jason Tatum.
It doesn't mean he's a better player, because Tatum is
a first team All NBA whatever five consecutive years. He's

(05:21):
a great, great player, but he doesn't have star power.
Jalen Brunson has star power now. It's how he plays,
but also where he plays as well. He plays in
New York and he gets up for these big games.
But Shay Gilgos Alexander is not a star. He's a
great player. There's a big difference. Anthony Edwards is more
of a star than Shay Gilgis, But Shay Gilgis is

(05:44):
a better player than Anthony Edwards at least right now.
All right, pull question for hour or two. I got
some phone calls to get to and we'll recap. We
talked about the NBA and Scottie Scheffler, the flag football
in the Olympics. Got some information on that. You missed
the first hour, Go to Dan Patrick dot com. All right,
Seaton poll question an hour or two. We got two

(06:05):
up there right now. Who should be the most frustrated today?
Maple leafs fans, Nikola Jokic, horse racing fans or Texas
A and M Softball.

Speaker 6 (06:13):
Who threw on there.

Speaker 8 (06:15):
Battle?

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yes, classic Classic Texas A and M lost to Liberty.

Speaker 5 (06:21):
They did. I don't know why I know this, but
I know this.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
I watched some women's softball Ohio State hitting bombs against
North Carolina over the weekend.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Well, right now, Texas A and M Softball have about
sixteen percent of the vote, which is which is significantly
more multiples more than horse racing fans. They're they're the
number one seed and they got bounced by Liberty. Right now,
Maple Leafs fans have about fifty seven percent of that vote.

Speaker 5 (06:46):
That's tough.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
We also have up there who will who will get
the biggest stardom boost from making the finals? Oooh, shake Gildes, Alexander,
Anthony Edwards, Jalen Brunton or Tyrese Haliburton.

Speaker 5 (07:02):
Classic stardom boost Paul.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, gosh, all of them will get a big bump.
There's almost a three way tie between three of these players. Okay,
shake Giljess. Alexander Anthony Edwards is actually in the lead,
but he's slightly edging out Tyre's Halliburton and Sga.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
It feels like Jalen Brunson is kind of already in
that stratosphere. I mean, they haven't won anything, but when
you watch him play in the coverage, he gets he's
already there, even though we've had and who's played in
bigger games, right, he played in you know, went to

(07:44):
the Western Conference finals.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
You know, Guest Todd to me, how could.

Speaker 7 (07:50):
It not be Bruns If he leads the New York
Knicks in that markets the whole thing and they win everything,
even though he's held already in high red gard and
he's considered there a star among those four. Me you
win in New York and win a championship, he's got
to edge out the other three guys.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
Man.

Speaker 8 (08:04):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
They led by twenty seven at halftime. That match is
their biggest lead in a playoff game in the shot
clock era. As they dominated, they go to the Eastern
Conference Finals, first time in twenty five years. But now, hey,
did you see Timothy shallow May when the fans were
mobbing him, Like, I don't know if they're if he's

(08:25):
getting out of his car or he's in his car
and they're mobbing him. He's leaning out the window and
I don't know if they're pulling him out of the car,
but they're just mobbing him, you know.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
Being a huge Knicks fan, yes, yes, Marvin.

Speaker 6 (08:42):
I love all social media.

Speaker 9 (08:43):
People were like, oh, Timothy Shallomey, you know, he's a
Johnny cum lately and there's people posting stuff of him
as a kid with like Landry Fields and Andy rowtins.

Speaker 6 (08:51):
He's like, no, no, no, he's not new to this.
He's true to this.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
No NBA, no NHL coming up tonight. I do like
that not new to this. He's true to them always,
all right, Paul and Iowa. Good morning, Paul. Best and
worst of the weekend, Hey Dan, Well, First.

Speaker 10 (09:08):
I got a shout out my fellow cyclone brock Purty
getting paid over the weekend.

Speaker 11 (09:12):
And then the best and worst for you, the best
of the weekend, Best of the weekend. Caitlin Clark at
the podium, poise respect taking care of her teammates. Fine,
no bad words for the opponent, just explaining that every
play is just a play. Kitlin handled this weekend pretty well.

(09:33):
Worst of the week.

Speaker 12 (09:35):
It's gonna be.

Speaker 10 (09:35):
For a lot of Packer fans. I read Jeff Perlman's
book a decade ago, so I know Brett Farb is
not that good of a dude. But with the Netflix
documentary coming out, it's gonna be really rough this week
for some Packer fans.

Speaker 13 (09:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
I saw where I think it comes out on Tuesday
and Brett Favre documentary. I didn't watch the Caitlyn Clark
Angel Reese game. I saw the highlights, and you know,
the one highlight that's gonna, you know, be isolated here
is the flagrant fowl that Caitlyn Clark had on Angel Reese.

(10:08):
You know, there's a play before the play and and
a lot of times this happens.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
Boy, what led to that?

Speaker 2 (10:14):
If you see Angel Reese, you know, push forearm one
of Caitlyn Clark's teammates out of the way under the basket,
got the rebound, was going to put it back, and
then Caitlyn Clark fouled her and then pushed her. The
foul is fine, the push is not. But it's a
bigger deal because of these two. And all it does is,
you know, make you circle the next time they're going

(10:36):
to play. But Caitlyn Clark, Caitlyn Clark is you know,
one of the top three MVP candidates this year, and
she'll she's going to be great to start the season,
as opposed to last year where it took her a
little while. She was exhausted, and I said, you know,
she needed a break. She didn't deserve to be on
the Olympic team. Don't put her on unless you're going

(10:58):
to put her on, and she's going to play. And
I think that was the right choice. And then she
was great the second half of the season. But there's
a lot of momentum. Hopefully the WNBA is able to
take advantage of this, But I don't want this to
be isolated where all we're talking about is that one
play instead of the you know the totality of the

(11:18):
game and you know, hopefully the rest of the w NBA.
Let me see.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
Andy in Rhode Island. Hi, Andy, what's on your mind today?

Speaker 14 (11:29):
Good morning, Danette Man. Dan, I hope that you can
make it through a frenzy because lately he's a Friday
princy very consistently as of league. I have two best
for you, Dan, because I couldn't have anything less. First,
I'm gonna have to say, Dan, I have to shout
you off with saky and thank you for just putting
us onto this treasure grill because me and my sister

(11:50):
we went and got my mom a wood Ridge Pellett grille.
She loves a dance. She's by far just the happiest
woman I've seen it in a while. And my second
has to go to Crystal Palace breaking their one hundred
and sixty four year drought of any major titles. And
I can I could say I felt Wimble Stadium shaking

(12:12):
my house and I'm all the way over here across
the pond all.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Right, well, thank you Andy, and my best to your
mom with her trager Grill Adam in Chicago.

Speaker 5 (12:22):
Hi, Adam, what's on your mind today?

Speaker 12 (12:27):
Uh? One point nine seventy seven kilos Dano. So you've
been talking about two weeks going on now, but the
Hall of very Good has been an awesome topic. And
uh you said, the Indiana Pacers are very much in
the Hall of Good. They got a TJ. McConnell, they

(12:47):
got a Benedic mathin. They drafted a Lori markin in
which leads me into should University of Arizona, which the
show has not been so kind to have their own
wing or at least Kia Area.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Wait, the University of Arizona hasn't been nice to the
University of Arizona their basketball team. All I do is
say every year they were the Chargers Chargers in the NFL,
I could be man, this is the year for the Chargers,
this is the year for you of a. They have
let themselves down. I think you know we haven't been

(13:22):
unkind to them. They've done this themselves. All right, continue,
okay if you let me go ahead, Okay, yeah, my.

Speaker 5 (13:30):
Bad, all right?

Speaker 12 (13:32):
Kiliderinus Aaron Gordon Richard Jefferson, Mike Bibby, andre Iguodolla, Jason Terry.
They have to have a wing in the Hall of
very Good.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
That's a very good suggestion there, Adam, thank you. Luke Walton.
You can put Luke in there.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
He wouldn't be the Hall of very Good, though, he
would be the hall of somebody who's famous, the son
of somebody who is famous. The Keith in Virginia Beach, Hi, Keith,
how are you today?

Speaker 6 (14:06):
Hey?

Speaker 15 (14:06):
Dan?

Speaker 12 (14:06):
How you doing?

Speaker 16 (14:07):
I just want to call and.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
Oh, wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Way, this is Keith who wanted to have a man
cave and his wife took uh took over the garage
and I think his mother in law as well the
storage and and you were you were kind of depressed
at which end here? So what's the update on the
man cave?

Speaker 16 (14:29):
Well, morale was good today.

Speaker 14 (14:31):
Dan.

Speaker 16 (14:32):
I want to first call and say I appreciate the
support route that you offered me. I was feeling down
that day, and so what I took your suggestion. I
went to my wife. I thought about it and I
was like, well, maybe I just stick my chest out
and go and say, look, honey, this is what we're
gonna do. You're gonna take your stuff out, I'm gonna

(14:54):
put my stuff in, and we're going to go with
plant a what we started when we first moved into
this house. And then I thought I tried that before.
It didn't work out too well because I was eating
fast food for two weeks. So I went prayed on
the matter. And if I went in there, and I
decided that I would sneakily hold on second, and let

(15:14):
make sure she can't hear me.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
Hold on, Yeah, you're talking tough. She's gonna be yelling
at you, all right? What else? Yeah?

Speaker 16 (15:24):
Yeah, So my best of the week is I finally
got a little bit of stuff about crap that she
didn't care about. And slowly but surely, I'm going to
take my man cave back over. I was hoping that
I could get some paraphernalia or at least a bibblehead
or something from the real man cave to put in
mind to make me feel much better, and that you

(15:46):
truly care about your listeners.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Dan, h okay, I thought I gave you the support group.
Now you want you want gifts? Hith uh, We'll put
you on hold, Tyler, get your information. I don't see
if I can send you something for your man, Keith.
I've got a round of applause for Keith. That's heah,
well he listened. You know, these are teaching moments, that's all.

(16:11):
It's a teaching moment and that's what I provided Keith.
We take a break here. Brian Windhorst or the Mothership
will join us. Coming up next here and Patrick show
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Speaker 2 (17:29):
More phone calls coming up will give you our best
and worst of the weekend as well. Got the DraftKings
odds favorites to win the NBA Championship, it's the Thunder
by a significant margin, and then it's the Knicks, followed
by the Timberwolves and then the Pacers. Brian Windhorst or
the Mothership, senior NBA writer, and he was there for

(17:52):
Game six Celtics and the Knicks. ESPN's coverage of the
Western Conference Finals starts tomorrow night, eight thirty Eastern with
the timber Wolves and uh okay, see Wendy joins Just
don't you know, here's a random thought I just had
for you, Brian. If Lebron James would all of a
sudden end up with the Cleveland Cavaliers, let's say end
his career there, what does that do to your life?

Speaker 5 (18:17):
Do you then have to go back to Cleveland?

Speaker 17 (18:20):
I was in Cleveland a lot this postseason. You know,
the Calves were. You know, if the Calves are, if
a team is really relevant, I'm probably gonna be there.
I covered the Calves Heat series in the first round,
and I thought I would be there for the Eastern
Conference Finals. I thought the Calves were playing great. I
really did not see I respect the Pacers, I did
not see them getting well washed out in five.

Speaker 6 (18:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (18:40):
I mean, uh, you know, in my view where Lebron's
career is now, he's just in the total icing stage.
He can do whatever he wants and it won't affect
the way I think about him or whatever. I know
that his legacy is a popular sports topic. I think
it's whatever happens is fine. Like if he plays three

(19:03):
more years and misses the playoffs, fine, if he plays
one more year and hangs it up and they in
the late with the Lakers and they don't make the
second round fine, Like to me, after he won the
championship in sixteen, it was all cemented and after that,
you know, it's just a It's just a part of
building onto the resume. So I would cover it like
I would cover any of the rest of the league.

(19:24):
You know, if I was signed there by my bosses,
I would go. It's my hometown, so I always look
for reasons to go there. I was happy to be
there in Round one, played some golf. I thought I
was going to be playing some more golf in Cleveland
the summer, but that doesn't seem to be going to
be happening.

Speaker 5 (19:39):
Well, the Caves are playing golf.

Speaker 17 (19:42):
They certainly are. They certainly are.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Do you think that it's just Steph Curry won his
career with Golden State Lebron went his career with the Lakers.

Speaker 17 (19:52):
Probably, Yeah. I think Steph Carrett were going to career
with Golden State Lebron. I'm you know, high probability of Lakers.
I would never versus cement it, just because the Lakers
are pivoting a little bit now not a little bit,
They've pivoted to Luca and so that makes their medium
term future a little bit harder to predict, but Lebron
has demonstrated repeatedly time after time after time his priority

(20:15):
is to be a Laker and to live in Los Angeles.
So I don't, you know, unless the Lakers did something
to him to change the way he feels about them,
which is not their mo that the Lakers franchise has
invested in almost more than anything else invested in taking
care of superstars. It's essentially their brand. I don't see
that happening, but yes, I think that's that's very likely

(20:39):
where we're headed.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Janni's had a reportedly a polite wave saying trade me
or I'd be open to a trade. When does the
market start where I guess it has it started officially
of yes, yeh teams proposing yes.

Speaker 17 (20:56):
I don't think you'll see a significant big move with
the star player until there's clarity on what happens with Giannis,
and nor should there be, because this could go a
lot of different ways. And I do think, by the way,
like I may not have the best information on this,
I'm not saying that I do. I don't think that

(21:18):
Giannis is one hundred percent said I'm out of Milwaukee,
yet I think that would be a miss. I think
that would be a mistake to assume that. Do I
think that there's a growing possibility that that's that he
is going to want out. I do, and I think
that the league does. In fact, Frankly, Dan, the league
has been watching this for a year. You know, I'm
not saying that there are teams that have like haltered

(21:39):
their organization to wait for this, but for a year.
I mean even at the trade deadline, there were teams
who were like, you know what, let's just let's just chill,
or let's just do this deal instead of this deal
just in case we see Yannis available. People were keeping
an eye on this for a year, and then when
Dame unfortunately had that injury, anybody who would be a

(22:01):
Janis suitor applied the brakes to anything serious. And we'll see.
I think as the playoffs go on and we get
closer to the draft season, there will be an increasing
tension that grips the league on waiting for Yiannis to
make a signal about whether he wants to leave, and
then if he wants to leave, is there a place
or places he wants to go, and is he going

(22:22):
to have control? Those are big important decisions that are
going to happen, and I think you can even you
know this is an ironclad thing. It's all evolving, but
you could even have a player like Kevin Durant sort
of sitting on the tarmac waiting to see what happens
with his future until yan Is the future gets tied
up not guaranteed, but you could see some teams that

(22:45):
Durant would have interested in Yana is potentially having interested in,
and you're not getting both.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Give me the team though you think has the assets
to be able to pull this off. To We always
look at trades from one perspective. It's like, man, they
could get him if they give up these guys. We
never look at the other side. So Milwaukee's got to
be intrigued by this. Who could get their attention?

Speaker 17 (23:05):
Yeah, I mean I would assume that Milwaukee has been
working on this. Again, not that if their general manager
John Horst was here, he would attest to this, but
the whole league has been thinking about Giannis for a year.
My guess is for some period of time the Bucks
maybe not on their main whiteboard in the front of
their office, but there's a secret computer file somewhere where

(23:27):
they have a list of interesting trades they'd like to make.
The team that stands out with a bright, fresh flashing
light is san Antonio because san Antonio has a couple
of things that are very possible. Yan As straight. First off,
Dan in the modern NBA, in the apron era, and
I understand fans frustration. I have several friends friends who

(23:48):
are we are big NBA fans who like snap at
me and go Nobody understands this apron stuff. Nobody cares
about to stop talking about it. Unfortunately, that's just the truth.
In the modern NBA game, it's very hard, not impossible,
but it's very hard to have three gigantic salaries, you know,
fifty million plus salaries. And if you do all through

(24:10):
those guys better be awesome because you can't fill out
the rest of your roster. And I mean, it's not impossible,
but it's extremely difficult and to invest in that, to
go that route right now is very hard. So san
Antonio has something that is extremely attractive is that they
have a star player in Victor Webbinyama who is on

(24:33):
his rookie contract for several more years, and then even
if he does get the max contract, his max will
be sort of lower down. It's just like what happened
with the Senate with the San Francisco forty nine ers
in brock Purty, right, they were able to build out
their team because one of their best players was making
one of the cheapest contracts.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
So they have that.

Speaker 17 (24:52):
They have a star player on the minimum on a
rookie sale contract.

Speaker 5 (24:56):
They have young.

Speaker 17 (24:57):
Pieces in house that would interest anybody, including Stefan Castle,
who just won Rookie of the Year. And they are
loaded with future draft assets, including two lottery picks in
this draft and the number two pick. And they have
large salaries on their roster that can make a trade
you could equal it. And so if you're Milwaukee, one

(25:17):
of the most important things I have to say before
anybody goes to the trade machine. If you think Milwaukee
is tanking, you've got it wrong. Milwaukee cannot tank. They
do not control their first round pick for the next
five years. So if they make a Yanas trade, even
if it is beautiful for four years from now and
it results in them winning seventeen games next year, they're
going to have a party in New Orleans because that's

(25:39):
who controls their pick. They have to have a real
team on the other side of it, unless they go
to New Orleans and make the deal for Giannis and
get their picks back. They have to have a real
timer on the other side of it. So San Antonio
can give them real players, they can give them young players,
and they can give them draft picks. That's the golden triangle.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
What we don't know is whether.

Speaker 17 (25:58):
Giannis wants to play in San Anto, you know. And
what we don atlso don't know is if that's going
to be a priority. If Gianna says to the Bucks, okay,
I'd like to be traded, whether or not they're going
to work together, I would suspect that they would, but
I don't know for sure. So you have a team
like San Antonio. You also could put Houston in that boat.
Houston has some of the same advantages, but San Antonio

(26:20):
is farther ahead. If I was honest, though, Dan and
I saw the way the league was going, and I
saw the unfortunate situation that just happened.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
In Boston, I would, oh absolutely, I would stay. I would.
I would.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
I would say, you know what, let me talk to Cleveland, like,
if you you want to get a team that is
ready to win and then that's his goal. I mean
the Eastern Conference. You're right, Boston's wounded, the Knicks are good,
Indiana's good. Seventy six ers aren't good. So you start

(26:54):
to look at the hierarchy there and you go, you
know what, I could win a championship ye with one
of these teams.

Speaker 17 (27:02):
Here's where I once again have to use the word
ap aprons, because both of those teams are second apron teams.
And it's not impossible. I want to be clear, it
is not impossible, but I would need Bobby Marks and
a bunch of spreadsheets to be able to have a
real conversation. It's not like it was a few years ago,
where you're like, you if two teams deem it, so
it can it could happen. And then you get into like, well,

(27:25):
there's three team, four teams, sixteen twelve team scenarios. Yes,
obviously if you had a battering ram and a will,
you could make it happen. But really these days you
have to consider that as well. But if Cleveland could
get Yannis, yes I would, seriously, I would take the
phone call put it Thata.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
But San Antonio is still keeping Victor Webbinyama.

Speaker 13 (27:44):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (27:44):
Okay, Now, how does that pair work together.

Speaker 17 (27:48):
Beautifully because Wembin yama Well, here's the thing. Yannis is
extraordinarily effective playing center. This is sort of an inconvenient truth. Know,
for example, well, I'm not going to.

Speaker 5 (28:02):
Get into that.

Speaker 17 (28:02):
I'll get I'll get aggregated.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
I don't need that, we get aggregated.

Speaker 17 (28:09):
Yes, if your show is excellent at it. Uh, Jannis
is probably a center in the modern NBA. Okay, but
he doesn't really want to play center. But if you
put in it's and it's hard to play him a
power forward dan because he can't shoot. And it's even
hard to pay him a small forward under circumstance circumstances
because it's harder to get shooters on the court because

(28:30):
you know so one. But yama Is is on his
way to being one of the greatest big man shooters
of all time. Like he is dedicated to it. He
is getting better at it. The Spurs want him to
do it. At the very least. He has to be
guarded out there. And the way that you you know
what you want for Jana says, you want the floor spaced,
and if you leave Victor to open the lane, Yannis

(28:53):
will jam it down your throat. And if you leave
uh if if you stay with Victor and open the
laneyans will jam it down your and if you leave
Victor he will kill you. He will eventually be an
I think over forty percent three point shooter. So and
then at the defensive end you have length for days,
and the Spurs still have dearon Fox. They still have
other pieces that they can that they have, and assets

(29:15):
they can continue to build. They could make, They could
pay a king's ransom for Giannis and still have pieces
to build, which is why to me, san Antonio of
all the teams makes the most sense. However, having said
that if Jannie is in agreement with the Bucks that
we're going to work together and he has two years
on his contract, that's sort of an awkward spot. You know,
when Dame Willard went to the Trail Blazers and said

(29:38):
I want.

Speaker 5 (29:38):
To be traded.

Speaker 17 (29:39):
The Blazer said, we're going to trade you, but you
have four years on your contract. You're not going to
have agency, and he didn't. You know, he was okay
with Milwaukee in the end, but he wanted to go
with other places. Giannis and is in the awkward spot
for Milwaukee to get the most in return, Jannis would
really have to endorse where he was going that he
would sign an extension. Then you're gonna get more because

(30:01):
if you're a team like San Antonio, maybe you're not
giving Stefan Castle and both lottery picks this year. If
you just think you're getting in for two years, you
want Giannis coming and saying I'm signing an extension with you,
then you're saying, Okay, you're gonna be our Victor wenbin
Yama build out. That's what you're gonna be for your
back of your prime and going into Victor's prime, that's
what's gonna be. So because of that, if Giannis looked

(30:22):
at the Bucks and said I only want to be
in place X, the Bucks would probably be highly incentivized
to try to.

Speaker 5 (30:30):
Make that happen.

Speaker 17 (30:31):
So if you have a team, because you know naturally
when a star player becomes available, there's certain markets that
just can we get them, the Lakers or the Warriors
couldn't win a bidding war, Like if mil Lucky said
the market's open, there's no way they could win a
bidding war. If Jannis went in and said I want
to end I want to be with Steph Curry. That's

(30:53):
who I want to play with. Is there a deal
that can happen between those two teams? Yes, yes, I
would be lying to you if I told you the
Warriors couldn't trade for Gy. Honest, that could happen, but
it is not something that would happen if it was
an open market, and we just don't know yet.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Could you see Jokers saying to the front office in Denver,
what are we doing here?

Speaker 17 (31:12):
I would hope say that, but I don't know that
he would say that. He has never articulated that, and
he has certainly never done it publicly, and I've never
heard about it privately. But if you're looking at this team,
there are two players short. You know there are two
players short. And what ended up unfortunately happening in this

(31:33):
particular postseason was that Michael Porter Junior got hurt and
he was a shell of the player that he normally is.
People were criticizing him, and I'm like, well, if you
saw the way he played in the regular season, that's
who he is. Like, he's an imperfect player, but he's
much better than the player he showed in the playoffs.
And then unfortunately Aaron Gordon got hurt and will never

(31:53):
know what would have happened in Game seven if Aaron
Gordon was healthy. I don't know. He was a huge
difference making player, and so all of a sudden you're
down to like three guys you could trust on that team.
And the build out of that roster is one of
the reasons why the general manager got fired. People focus
on Michael Malone getting fired. The general manager got fired too,
and you know it was because the buildout of the

(32:16):
roster bell short. That team at the top end is
a championship team, but they're not championship team in the middle,
in the back end, and it's costing two years in
a row.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
What player, marquee player, star player of the Final four
would benefit the most from winning a championship If you
said Brunson, Shay Gilgs, aunt Man or Haliburton.

Speaker 17 (32:37):
Well, what Jalen Brunson is doing in New York is
historic and I think that would be the best story.
And if you want to brand me as somebody who
works for ESPN and wants the New York team to win,
that's fine. I'm from Cleveland. I live in Omaha. That
story is amazing And here's the other thing like I

(32:58):
don't and again this goes back to the Aprons, and
I know it's such a boring topic and it's a buzzkill,
but Jalen Brunson taking that contract that he took is
going to be the gift that keeps on giving for
the Knicks. The Knicks are here ahead of schedule. The
Knicks strategy was to get some players in their twenties

(33:19):
that they thought were together and then take advantage of
Brunson's willingness to alter his contract and then build this
team out over the next three or four years. They
were really looking at the beginning of a window where
they were going to outmanage other teams in the salary
structure because of what Brunson was willing to do. People
attack that Bridge's trade, and that's fine. You can attack

(33:40):
the Bridges trade.

Speaker 8 (33:41):
You can.

Speaker 17 (33:41):
You can put up a beautiful PowerPoint presentation about it.
The Bridge's trade happened in conjunction with Brunson signing the
deal where he took one hundred million dollars less that's
the only way to look at it. And Brunston doing
that and then potentially leading this team through, you know,
the Knicks as a team are not an elite The

(34:04):
Knicks has a unit are not an elite team, but
they are though mentally tough, and they're so mentally tough
because of Brunson and watching him do it and leaving
that team with his mental toughness is a very, very
compelling story. But of course I could tell you Dan

(34:24):
any one of these four teams. It's really fascinating because
you've got Aunt Edwards who's potentially an heir apparent. You've
got the Pacers, who are a beautifully built team who
are extremely fun to watch. Watching them play is extremely fun,
and Tyree Salliburton when he is cooking is is enjoyable
to watch as any player in the league. And then
you have the MVP on on a team that was

(34:47):
built organically like the Oklahoma City Thunder are the blueprint
of how to build the sustainable team, and they've wont've
got an MVP award and MV guy's gonna win the
MVP in the next few days. So I think all
of them are good, but I think Brunson's story especially some.
It's the Knicks havent won. Actually, none of these tams
have won. The Knicks haven't won since seventy three, and
nobody else is over won an NBA title. The Pacers
number one in the NBA obviously, the Wolves and the

(35:09):
the thunder have it won in Oklahoma City, they won
in the seventies in Seattle, but I think all of
them are new blood that are interesting.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
Great to talk to you again, Thanks for spending time.

Speaker 17 (35:18):
Thanks Dan, have a great week.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Brian Winhorst, He'll be a part of the Western Conference
coverage on The mother Ship tomorrow night, eight thirty Eastern.
It'll be Game one between Minnesota and Okay SAE. We'll
take a break, more phone calls coming up. Tony Realey,
the Around the Horn host, will join us in studio
here top of the hour. We'll come back with our
best and Worst of the weekend right after this.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio wapp.

Speaker 5 (35:51):
Go Around the Room, Best and Worst of the Weekend.

Speaker 7 (35:53):
Ton Best of the Weekend Game six Friday night at MSG.
After losing by twenty five in Game five at Boston,
Nicks thirty eight point victory, largest margin of victory in
the team's playoff history. Brunton Ananobi Bridges cat All had
at least twenty points. Worst of the weekend. I was
pulling for Mark Scheifeley in Winnipeg Saturday night to force
a Game seven back home against the Stars. He scored
a goal for the Jets just hours after learning his

(36:14):
dad unexpectedly passed away tripping penalty, though with fifteen seconds
left in regulation, set up the Stars to get a
series clinching power play goal in overtime.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
Satan best and worst.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
My best of the weekend my guy brock Perdy getting paid.
Let's go, lad, got an absolute fortune and saved the
team a bunch of money.

Speaker 5 (36:30):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
My worst of the weekend is the Diamondbacks losing to
the Rockies fourteen to twelve. Not only did you lose
to a terrible baseball team, but you.

Speaker 5 (36:38):
Put up twelve runs and still lost. That is the worst.
How many wins do the Rockies have now?

Speaker 13 (36:44):
Eight?

Speaker 2 (36:45):
I'm just gonna say still less than ten. I think
still less than ten, all right, Marvin best and worst.

Speaker 9 (36:51):
Todd took mine, but I'm gonna go with the Dallas
Stars winning in overtime to go to the Western Conference.
Finals for the third straight year. That's consistency. Worst of
the weekend Russell Westbrook. I thought he's supposed to be
a spark off the bench. He only scored six points
and he had a plus minus was negative thirty four.

Speaker 5 (37:05):
That's not good.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
By the way, those downloads stars the Green jerseys, they're fire.

Speaker 5 (37:11):
Those are awesome. Pauli Western worst of the weekend.

Speaker 8 (37:14):
I say worst of the weekend. It's obvious, but the
Maple Leafs fans, I kind of feel bad for them.
They're getting this reputation that's down in America, not just
in Canada. Is that a team that can't close futility?
It's really rough, especially in game seven's Best of the Weekend.

Speaker 6 (37:28):
Bryson D.

Speaker 8 (37:29):
Chambeau over the past couple of years has changed his image,
I think on purpose. He used to be kind of
like that meathead, tough guy five years ago playing the
spoiler role. Now at the Masters, he was high five
in fans between rounds every round and now after losing,
not winning, tied for second, he what does the interview
that he did not have to do after the rounds.

(37:50):
He's doing well for his career.

Speaker 5 (37:51):
Yeah, yeah, that's been a makeover.

Speaker 6 (37:54):
There.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
It's cool to see he's fun. Fun to watch Hunter
in West Virginia. Thanks for holding what do you have?

Speaker 18 (38:02):
Good morning Dan, Good morning Dan. It's happy Monday. I've
got a best and worst of the weekend. Worst of
the weekend was, obviously Pauli alluded to it, the Toronto
Maple Leafs falling to the Florida Panthers in Game seven
of the second round of the Stanley Cup Finals in
absolutely brutal fashion six to one. Like Paulie, I feel

(38:23):
bad for the fans of the Maple Leafs, like they
just can't get it done. They can't. And then best
to the weekend was when you reunited with your former
cameraman and one time host of The box Score, Casey
on his podcast. I used to watch The DP Show
and The box Score religiously back in the day when

(38:44):
it was on Direct TV, and I still watch DP Show.

Speaker 16 (38:47):
To this day.

Speaker 18 (38:50):
I also have and I hope it's good. I have
a Jamie Jesta original recipe stat of the day.

Speaker 5 (38:56):
If you have the original music there, Marvin.

Speaker 6 (39:00):
I got the music that's up here on the board.

Speaker 15 (39:02):
Oh okay, I hope it's good.

Speaker 18 (39:18):
The last time the Toronto Maple Leafs advanced to the
Eastern Conference Finals and the Stanley Cup playoffs was in
two thousand and two, after they defeated the New York
Islanders in game seven of the first round and the
Ottawa Senators in the second round, also in game seven.
They would end up all terrible.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
I don't know what the stat of the day, what
the purpose was, but Hunter, you went down in flames seton,
would you update the poll results from hour two place?

Speaker 5 (39:50):
Yeah, we got two of them working right now.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
I thought he had it tied out that he's asking
for the original stat of the day music.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
Yeah, you know how long it's going to be?

Speaker 6 (40:01):
All right?

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Who will get the biggest stardom boost from making the finals?

Speaker 5 (40:05):
Right now?

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Anthony Edwards has about thirty three percent of that vote,
followed closely by SGA and Tyres Halibert and Jalen Brunson
is in last there, and then who should be most
frustrated today? Maple Leafs fans have fifty six percent of
that vote, followed by Nikola Jokic and Texas A and
M softball horse racing fans not getting much love there.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
I think that we've covered the Toronto Maple Leafs more
in the first two hours of this show than we
have in the last eighteen years doing their show, and
that's not good. I love their their jersey, I love
those blue uniforms, man, but they never look as good

(40:45):
in defeat, you know. And sometimes you can see a
uniform and go, damn, they still look good like you
force a game seven.

Speaker 5 (40:55):
You're at home. Those fans are waiting for this.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
They continue to wait for this two hours in the
books already on this Monday, Tony really around the horn.
I'm going to make him play around the horn with
the dan Eds coming up. Final hour in this Monday,
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