December 4, 2025 • 41 mins
Dan reacts to the sudden end of Chris Paul’s time with the Clippers and reports that he and coach Ty Lue were not getting along at all. Former quarterback and NFL analyst Kurt Warner stops by and gives his opinion on what’s happening in the college football landscape, the struggles of the Lions ahead of Thursday Night Football and discusses the growth of Bears quarterback Caleb Williams.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Hour two.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
On this Thursday, we'll talk to the Hall of Famer
Kurt Warner, who'll get us ready for the Cowboys Lions
coming up tonight. We talked about this prior to the
game on Thanksgiving and I said the Chiefs Cowboys would
be the highest rated game of all time regular season
and that's what it turned out to be. Larger than
I thought it was going to be. It was over
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fifty million watching the Cowboys and the Lions. And then
turns out that the Packers game, or the Cowboys and
the Chiefs, the Packers and the Lions second highest rated
regular season game of all time. One in five years
ago that people were saying, you know, this could be
the death of the NFL and all the causes they
(00:50):
stood for and the saturation over saturation and fantasy and gambling,
and the NFL is expanding, you know now they're talking
about maybe two games on Black Friday. Now they're talking
about more games internationally. They're not slowing down, not at all.
Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, thank you for
downloading the app, and we'll talk to Brian Windhorse he'll
(01:12):
join us in an hour from now. There was a
report yesterday that is kind of piggybacking what Brian Winhors
reported at the beginning of the year. The season with
the NBA, Jannis had asked for a trade to the Knicks.
He wanted to go there, and it felt like maybe
Milwaukee was saying, all right, just you know, stay put,
(01:33):
We're going to try to surround you with a good team.
They're not a good team. And now it's surfaced again
that maybe you know, Jannis is gonna want out, and
what can you get for him. There'll be a lot
of teams in line. But what do you I mean?
Is it five first round draft picks? I mean even then,
first round draft picks seem to be meaningless. It feels like, ah, yeah,
(01:56):
we'll give you five. You want a six, We'll give
you a six. One. Well, they're on a second. If
you're Milwaukee, can you rebuild? Is that what the goal
is going to be?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
That?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Okay, we are resigned to the fact that we're not
a good team. We tried. We tried to get Dame Lindllard,
tried to make it work. It didn't work, and we
probably have to detonate here, but we'll talk to Wendy
about that coming up eight seven seven three DP Show
email address, DPA Danpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at dp show.
(02:27):
Poll question for hour two is gonna be what Seaton?
Speaker 4 (02:30):
You know, I took a couple of liberties and I
just threw a bunch of them up there, look at you.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah. Yeah, that's called going rogue.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah yeah, Well, I just thought, you know, being you know,
what's that word when you're just sort of a proactive
industrial is being proactive? Okay, the Milwaukee Bucks should keep
you honest or trade them?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Seventy four percent say trade them the best fit for you, honest.
New York, San Antonio, Oklahoma City or Houston have any
thoughts on that. I know we've been kind of kicking
it around all morning, But New York, San Antonio, Oklahoma City, Houston.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Oklahoma City doesn't need him to win another title. No,
but it'd be a great luxury to have him and
give up these draft picks. There's only so many roster
spots you have, and they have three first round picks
right now that would be in the top fifteen. Boy,
that'd be fascinating if they said, yeah, you know, I'm
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gonna pair him with Chet and SGA. But you know
San Antonio is another destination of putting Yannis there with
Victor Wembenyama Houston. They got a lot of young talent
there the Knicks. That's the place because the Knicks have
a chance to win a championship. Now, you're not giving
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up Brunson. He's untouchable. What what are you yelling at?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Like?
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Would I look at that from the buck side. If
I'm going to trade in the Knicks, I have to
have Brunson as the starting point or else I'm getting
a bunch of Knicks draft picks. That is the twenty
seventh pick of the draft for the next four years.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
You might as well just give him away. You're not
getting Brunson.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Then you can't even have the conversation with the Knicks.
I mean five first round draft picks that are gonna
be joannest is gonna make them better.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Well, maybe you get some players, but you you can't.
You're not. There's no way I give up Jalen Brunson
like he can't be part of the deal. Yes see.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Yeah, and the Knicks are gonna have trouble too because
you're gonna start getting into all this crap with you know,
the second apron and you gotta do whatever salary cap like,
oh god, forget it, just send me to Houston.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Yes, Todd, I agree with mc marvin said earlier. Get
him more, not especially if they're gonna give up several pieces.
The Knicks aren't winning a title anytime soon. I'm very
intrigued by a Wemby and Greek freak playing together.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
That would be fantastic.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, but I don't know how that works with spacing
on the floor and two guys seven footers out there,
and like, I don't know. I mean, I love the possibility.
But if I'm the new whatever, this guy actually wants
to play for you, I want to get him. And
it feels like he's going to come in and you know,
maybe him being there that free agents would want to
(05:11):
go play there. I wouldn't look at this as a
one year situation. I'd look at this as a four
or five year, you know deal. And but we'll talk
to Windhors this is what he does, and we'll chat
with him coming up the Chris Paul parting of ways
with the Clippers in Atlanta, and then we started to
find I said, there has to be something more to it.
(05:31):
Turns out Tylu and Chris Paul weren't talking. Chris Paul's
not for everybody he's stayed around. He's kind of a
lesser version of Isaiah Thomas, you know, without the titles.
But that guy who's a tough guy, uh, you know,
considered a leader, but he can he can agitate you.
(05:52):
And if you're not that good anymore, then all of
a sudden you don't put up with somebody. That's probably
the case for Tylu and the clips. And they just
they dropped him off at a rest stop and then
they kept going official. I think that's what are they going?
(06:13):
A wah wah. I think they have in Atlanta, they
have wah wahs. I just thought they would allow him
to at least come back and save a little bit
dignity and and and maybe announced that, hey, Chris Paul
knight and you say goodbye to Chris Paul. Here's ty
Lou on kicking Chris Paul to the curve.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
I don't like it, you know, it just didn't work
out like we thought it would, you know. And I
said I don't like it for CP, you know, but
just went a good fit. You know, we understood that.
And so, like I said, it was an organization. You know,
they made the choice, you know, and so moving forward,
(06:56):
you know, we got to see what we do. So
we'll see.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Coach, why wasn't it a good fit? That's what I
would want to know. Why weren't you two talking to
each other? Like there's questions here if you want to
ask the questions. I don't know if they were asked,
but those would be. But once again, he shouldn't be,
you know, the escapegoat here. They're not a good team.
When your best player doesn't play, it's hard to be
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a really good team. James Harden's a curiosity and you know,
a fantastic player at times. But other than that, he
got nice arena. He got nice arena. Maybe you can
get a job. You don't even have to show up
for work, you know. So Clippers are a mess. That's
a mess, yes, Martin, and.
Speaker 8 (07:46):
I feel like your two best players in Kawhi and Harden,
are two guys that you know what, I play basketball,
I get my money, I go home. Chris Paul really
felt like a leader that really wanted to win, but
unfortunately for him, he's the same age as me.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, it's hard to listen to.
Speaker 8 (08:00):
A guy that's on year twenty one and he's not
first team All NBA Chris Paul anymore. And he's still
doing first team All NBA Chris Paul things. He's probably
yelling at guys like, oh, we might have put up
with this in twenty ten, and its twenty twenty five.
I can't number this anymore.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
You contribute more to this show than Chris Paul does
to the Clippers, and we're having a better season, we're winners.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Ball.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
If Chris Paul plays for one more team as he
ends his career, that will be eight for his career.
Can you think of a first ballot Hall of Famer
that played with I know Durant's up there, but that's
a lot of teams for a first a guy who
appears to be a first ballot Hall of Famer, And
I think that dings your career.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Eight teams. Nobody comes to mind playing that many for
that many teams. Yes, Mark.
Speaker 8 (08:57):
The closest to me as a first ballot Hall of
Fame is Shack that you played for six teams.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Yeah, I've got a few Holy God, these are good.
Now you gotta count Aba Moses Malone nine. But if
you remove that, Okay, who is a Hall of Famer?
I think I think he's going in this year based
on the math. First ballot guy who he played for eight.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Teams, first ballot, eight teams.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Yeah, and he retired in twenty twenty, so he's a
recent guy. Chauncey Billups seven teams. Oh, no way to
bring that back?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah? Yes, mart is it Carmelo Nope?
Speaker 5 (09:43):
This is it's probably Seaton's favorite basketball player modern.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Era, Ricky Henderson.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Yes, it's Bence Carter's Toronto, New Jersey, Dallas, Memphis, Atlanta, Orlando, Sacktown, Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Okay, how lucky were they? Yeah? Those they're all winners
eight seven seven three DP show email address DP at
Danpatrick dot com, Twitter handle a TP show. All right,
I just got this sent to me. Here we go.
One of my sources, Penn State's painted themselves in a corner.
(10:19):
They have no clear options besides Brian Kelly or Brian
Dable types. I'm being told they probably will stay with
interim head coach Terry Smith and he'll stay there for
the upcoming season, and then Penn State will then go
(10:39):
in all in for the following season. So this is
a source who just sent that to me. That stay
with interim interim coach Terry Smith for remaining remains for
next year. At this point in the school prepares all
resources for the big hire next year. But Brian Kelly,
Brian Dable maybe as possibilities there at Penn State.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Yes, Paul, here's the name I haven't heard or seen reported,
Dan Mullen of UNLV, the guy coached in the SEC
for a long time. He went to UNV and there
ten and two. He's been there one year. I haven't
even seen his name rumored for that spot. And that's
if Dan Mullen wants to get back to the the biggies,
no offense you know of he's doing great. That can
(11:22):
be a name.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, SEC wise, okay, but Penn State. I don't see
that with Dan Mullen. But I didn't see Penn State
without a head coach for fifty three days too. You know,
I don't know how choosy you can be. The Only
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(11:48):
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What's on your mind today?
Speaker 9 (12:03):
Yeah, good morning. Takes stick of my call five eight
and I'm broken one five. This one's right up Paula's alley.
I was wondering, you know, the evolution of college football.
If the you know, one double A teams are going
to be a farm system for the SBS football.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Teams a farm system. No, but Seet and I were
talking about this yesterday. If you redid college football, made
it sixty teams and the FCS was the relegation where
you win the FCS title, you automatically go up and
join the conference that's mostly regional to you, that could
be pretty juicy for college football.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I like relegation. I like that. I like you can
get promoted, you can actually move up. And uh, you know,
we see this with certainly with soccer, and the amount
of money that you're going to make is a whole
lot different. And uh, but but having something else to
keep an eye on, aside for these twelve teams that
are going to make the playoffs. Now you're going to
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keep an eye on these championships that are going to
take place in the so called subdivision there. Let's see,
and thanks for the phone call. Let me see Keith
and Chico. Hi, Keith, what's on your mind?
Speaker 10 (13:18):
Hey Dan, I just had a scenario I wanted to
throw at you guys. I think it'd be pretty cool
if the college football Playoff Committee was maybe televised. We
could maybe get an inside scoop of how these people
think and whether they're real football fans or knowledgeable fans.
They could televise it might be a pretty cool event
as compared to the reveal that they currently have.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I brought that up a couple of years ago. It said,
let the cameras go in there. I mean, what are
we hiding from unless you don't want somebody's name attached
to I don't believe in Notre Dame or I don't
believe in Miami, and then all of a sudden, you know,
that person becomes owstra sized. But just to give us
sort of that feeling of what it's like in there,
(13:59):
I thought it'd be great. Everything about sports now is
to bring you closer, closer, closer. You know, the sidelines,
we're gonna interview coaches, we're interviewing players during games. Now,
let us behind the curtain here with the college football Playoff.
At least let us see what it looks like, what
it feels like. What kind of food are you eating? Now?
(14:19):
Who sits where, who's loud, who's not? And maybe you
could give us just a little even with a selection
Sunday with the nc DOUBLEA. I mean, i'd love to
see it. See that to me doesn't feel like it's
as volatile. Now, Okay, you're the sixty ninth team. I'm sorry,
you're not gonna make it. And if they do argue
(14:41):
about that, it might be well, I don't think that
this team's the number one seed. I think there are two. Okay,
that's not the end of the world. I think that
would be fascinating to know who's arguing and what they're
arguing for. But you know, until the NCUBA realizes, hey,
we can make a lot of money on this, then
we're probably not gonna happen. Kurt Warner, Hall of Famer,
(15:04):
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is a three point underdog at Detroit. We'll talk to Kurt.
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Speaker 2 (15:55):
Paulie mentioned Dan Mullen, who's done a really good job
first year at EONLV. What about him for Penn's date?
I said, I don't know, it just feels like SEC.
But he was born in Pennsylvania. He played college football
at a small school in Pennsylvania. Sure, I mean at
this stage, I guess everything's on the table there. Could
(16:17):
you see maybe Brian Dable coaching Penn State? What about
Brian Kelly coaching Penn State. Those were a couple of options,
but my source said they're probably staying with their interim
head coach this next season and then they'll put all
their resources in and try to go after somebody.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Yeah, PAULI yeah, like you said at this juncture, you know,
Dan Mullen was an offensive guru back in the day,
had some really good years and no's a system like
a guy like bringing Brian Daball. You kind of got
to start from scratch.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Well, he has coached in the NFL. He's an offensive
minded head coach. So, I mean, I don't know what
that jump is like. We always talk about the jump
from college to the pros. I don't know what it's
like to go pros back to college Las Vegas to
Happy Valley.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
That's the difference.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Kurt Warner joining us the Hall of Famer. He'll be
on the call in the radio booth for Westwood One
Monday Night the Eagles and the Chargers at so Far
They kick off at eight fifteen Eastern. You can also
see them on NFL Game Day morning. Before I talk NFL,
let me ask you about the whole situation with your son. EJ.
Played at a couple of colleges. I believe he's a
(17:25):
right now at Fresno State. But you know, you got NIL,
you got transfer portal, you know all the recruitment. What
do you make of the college football situation right now?
Speaker 11 (17:36):
You know?
Speaker 12 (17:37):
I think when you look at it, there's obviously definitely
issues there, whether you're talking about the calendar, which everybody's
been talking about with this whole different thing, when you're
talking about nil, you know. But I've also seen the
transfer portal work for actually two of my boys, and
I had one son that was at Nebraska, went to
Kansas State for some particular issues, had a great finish
(18:00):
to his career there. With EJ it was some opportunities
as he played really well at Temple to see if
he could parlay that into a bigger opportunity that he
didn't get out of high school. And so I understand
the NAL. I think guys should definitely get paid. I
think they should get what they're worth. I love the opportunity,
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but I think there has to be reasons on why
you're making the jump. You know, the idea of just
jumping one place to another solely for money, I think
is always going to be a problem.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I think the fact that some teams have.
Speaker 12 (18:35):
Way more money than other teams, even within conferences and
those sorts of things, creates a whole another issue there.
So obviously, I think there's some benefits to it, some
negatives to it, and I just think it has to
be it has to be monitored and set up in
a different way to make it successful.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I think for everybody you got football coming up tonight,
do you have a better handle on the Lions or
the Cowboys?
Speaker 12 (19:04):
I think I still have questions on both, but I
think Dallas is maybe showing us a little bit more
of what they can be or the consistency now that
they've got some guys healthy on.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Defense, they made the trades.
Speaker 12 (19:17):
So still not sure there are a great defense, But
with that offense, I think, you know, we can feel
like either defense has done enough to show us they
can consistently play at a certain level. Yeah, I'm still
have a lot of questions with the Lions coming into
the year, I think we all thought we knew what
they could be and now it's been a roller coaster
(19:38):
ride both offensively and defensively with them some of the
injuries that they have, Yeah, I would say I'm probably
have a better feel for what I'm going to get
from the Dallas Cowboys than what I'm going to get
for the Lions.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out the Lions situation here.
I know they've got some injuries here, and they do
run the football and Gibbs is great, but they just
seem like they've hit their ceiling. And I thought that they,
you know, that was a team that, all right, it
didn't work out last year because the injuries now were
really going to show you and it just they really
(20:14):
disappointed here and they might be the third best team
in their own division right now.
Speaker 12 (20:19):
Yeah, I think you're right, you know, but it's hard
also to sustain the level of success that they've had
over the last couple of years, and specifically what they
had last year.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
I mean, fifteen wins is crazy, and you know, I
would have to go back and look, but I would.
Speaker 12 (20:34):
Guess that they were in a lot of close games
and somehow find found a way to win those close
games last year. And it's hard to sustain that as well,
because we know in the NFL, so many games are
decided by one score or less and it comes down
to one play here or there, or one mistake here
or there, and you know, I think we're seeing it,
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like with the Eagles, pretty much the same cast of characters,
but they're not playing as well this year.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I think the same thing holds true for the Lions.
Speaker 12 (21:03):
A lot of the same character, especially on offense, and
not playing as well this year.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
And trying to put your finger on exactly what that is.
Speaker 12 (21:12):
Maybe it's just the ability to sustain a high level
of play year after year after year in the NFL,
it's just not that easy.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Talking to Kurt Warner, he'll be in the radio booth.
It'll be the Eagles visiting the Chargers. That'll be next
Monday night. Are you planning on Justin Herbert playing in
that game?
Speaker 12 (21:32):
I'm planning on him playing, you know, being that it's
his left hand, you know, knowing the toughness of Justin
Herbert and the things that he's played through before. Understanding
what you know this stretch run means for this Chargers
team in terms of the playoffs and things. I'm expecting that,
you know, and I expect that from most players. If
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we always ask the question, can it get any worse?
Is there something that can happen if I'm lane, that
makes this worse, and that you know, like if I
play Monday, is there a chance three weeks from now
I'm more injured and can't play when it really matters.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
If the answer to that question is.
Speaker 12 (22:12):
No, most players are going to do everything that they
can to to get out there. You know, I've talked
about it. You know, Jad and Daniel suffered, you know,
that tear in his you know, in his elbow. I
had the same injury back in O seven, and you know,
I had just gotten back into the starting role and
it was my first game back. I played the next
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week and I played the rest of the season with
that injury simply because it was, Hey, it can't get
any worse. You know, you're just gonna sit and do rehab,
So let's just brace it up and go. And you know,
I had to hand the ball off everything with my
right hand because of that issue, where I could see
justin Herbert possibly having to do some of that stuff.
I was taken out down in the tight red zone
(22:56):
because we we had to go under center and some type.
So I could see some adjustments being made to help
protect that hand. But as long as that hand's not
going to get any worse. I believe Justin Herbert will
be out there playing.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
I asked this question yesterday to Andrew Whitworth, the former ligneman.
Do you want your quarterback to be smart or tough?
If you have to choose between those two, smart or tough?
Speaker 12 (23:24):
I mean, I guess the question is when you say tough,
what are you talking about. I know yesterday when you
were talking, you were talking more about Jackson Dart running
down the field and taking big hits. In that case,
I want my quarterback to be smart more than tough.
I think there's a toughness factor to kind of what
we're talking about with Justin Herbert, or a toughness to
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standing in the pocket and you know, and delivering a throw,
you know, to the last second when you're getting hit.
There's a level of toughness that I go, Okay, I
want my quarterback to be tough in that way. But
I probably would say overall, you know, less people are
gonna worry about us being tough, and more people are
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gonna worry.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
About us being smart.
Speaker 12 (24:09):
I want a smart quarterback that makes good decisions, that's
out there and available to his team and gives them
chances to win every time out. Although I do understand
the idea of toughness, I just don't need it. When
you know, when you can run out of bounds or
you can gain two more yards, I don't need you
to take that big hit. I don't need you, you know,
(24:29):
to run through a defender instead of slide. I don't
look at quarterbacks, you know, when I watch film and go,
oh geez, you know, I wish I had that guy
that was running through a linebacker. No, I'm like, slide, slide,
be smart and get back up and help your team.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
That was my point is you're gonna get a yard.
What does it matter. You're coming off concussion protocol, you
got two wins on the season. Get out of bounds.
You guys can build on something. You I have something
here in the embryonic stages. I don't need to show
you know, play all seventeen games. If you survive seventeen
(25:08):
regular season games, you're tough. You don't need to tell
me show me you're tough. That will tell me. Just
there the availability.
Speaker 12 (25:16):
Yeah, and I think you know, we could go back
to another Giants quarterback in Eli Manning.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
And you know, Eli.
Speaker 12 (25:22):
There were times that he was going to just go down, like, hey,
if the play was over, I'm just going to fall
down in the pocket. And he became known as a
tough quarterback why because he was never out Like he
played so many games in a row for the Giants
and it was like, that's what you know, we want
is the guy that's going to be out there and play.
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And so he understood when the play was over. And
there's no doubt that people get excited and your sideline
gets excited if your quarterback runs over a linebacker, you know,
down the field. I understand that aspect of things, But
I think you're one hundred percent right.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Is that more important?
Speaker 12 (26:00):
Your team wants you if you're the leader and if
you're the guy to be out there ever snap, and
they're not going to worry about you sliding or falling
down every once in a while as long as you
do the things that your team needs you to do
on a weekly base.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Help me understand from your perspective as a Hall of
Famer Drake May's development and contrast that with Caleb Williams development.
Because the Bears are playing well. I don't think they're
playing well because of Caleb Williams where the Patriots are
playing well, and I believe that is in large part
to Drake May.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (26:30):
Well, I mean, I feel like Drake played well last year,
but I feel he's in a system that really fits
what he does as a quarterback. I think Josh McDaniels
does a great job of designing plays. It's what I
call full field plays, where it's drop back, read the coverage.
When you know what the coverage is, I've got a
concept that can attack that coverage and you just have
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to get your eyes there, read it, and it speeds
up the game for Drake May because he's really good
at doing those things and so the system really fits
who he is. And when you talk about development, that
to me is the first step in development. Do you
have a play designer, a play caller that sees the
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game like the quarterback sees the game like You can
have a lot of really good plays in an offense,
but if it doesn't connect to how the quarterback plays
the game, it makes the game harder and they're not
comfortable with what they're doing every snap. I believe they've
got a great comfort level together to go along with
the way Drake is throwing the football. I mean it's
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like effortless, it's easy, his ability to throw the ball
down the field.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
But I think Josh has really sped up.
Speaker 12 (27:40):
Those reads for him so he can play fast, know
what he wants to do with the football, and that
just makes him more confident.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
On the other side, with Caleb, I think Caleb is
a guy that.
Speaker 12 (27:52):
Hasn't had to process information as much as maybe a
Drake may or some other quarterbacks. He's been a guy
that been able to lie on the athleticism. You know,
we watched him in college. He can make all the throws,
but he would buy a lot of time and he
would create because he was more comfortable with that. And
so what's happened is he's got to the NFL is
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We're trying and everybody's trying. Ben's trying to get him
to play more conventional quarterback, go through his reads, his progressions,
stay in the pocket, and it's a battle for him.
It's a battle for him right now to change the
way that he's played the game. He's gotten better at
it from last year to this year. Last year wasn't
processing very fast, holding onto the football, you know, almost
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too much, and taking too many sacks. This year, he's
gotten better with those things, but still not there yet
where I believe it's it's a comfort level for him
to go, oh, I got this one, two, three, and
work through those things and feel comfortable in that place.
So that's where when you talk about the process of
the two of them. Drake more comfortable in that setting
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through college and where he's at now. Caleb not as comfortable,
but working through it and fighting through it. And so
he's gotten much better from last year, but still has
a ways to go in that arena. And I think
as he gets more comfortable, he'll also get more accurate.
That's the other part of it is Drake has been
extremely accurate throwing the football. Caleb is not. Caleb's made
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a lot of big, explosive plays, but he's also missing
a lot of layups. And I think a lot of
that comes with knowing exactly what you want to do
with the football, being comfortable with that, and then being
able that a read.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
This may sound strange, but it just came to my mind.
Can you have too much talent as a quarterback?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Well?
Speaker 12 (29:42):
I think a lot of talent. I say this, Dan,
and I didn't have this so I'm just speculating like
everybody else. But yeah, I do believe the more talent
and the more skills and gifts you have, the more
it's going to kind of open up the possibilities of
what you could do on every play, you know, that
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the throws that you could make, the ability to be
creative instead of staying in the pocket, you know, those
sorts of things I think open up more possibilities for
a guy like me. There was one possibility you're going
to stand in the pocket, You're going to read the
coverage and you're gonna have to throw it to the
right guy, and so it simplified things for me from
that standpoint. I've always wondered how an athletic quarterback decides
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when it's time to run, like when is it time
to take off, as opposed to staying in your progressions,
you know, and even forcing that issue. You know, I've
talked a lot about it that I believe, you know,
athletic quarterbacks, we've got.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
More and more of them now. They kind of grow
up not being forced to learn.
Speaker 12 (30:43):
How to read the field or read defenses and progress
through their their reads, their you know, their coach drop
back see if your first guy's open.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
If he's not, go create a play for us, And
so that becomes their norm more and more and more.
Speaker 12 (30:58):
And these guys are such great athletes, they get further
and further and further in their careers without having to
learn the opposite. So, like with Caleb Williams, now we're
getting into the NFL level against the best players in
the world, and we're saying, hey, now you have to
change the way you've always played, and you've got to
learn to process better, and you've got to learn to
stay in the pocket, and I mean that's got to
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be a really hard thing to do. So to your point,
the more skills you have, the more you and I
don't even want want to say get away with, the
more things you can do on a given play through
the majority of your career. And then when we try
to fine tune that and say we can't do this
as much anymore, and you can't do this as much anymore,
it's always going to be I think a struggle for
those guys for at least a period, and then it
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leads the question can they ever get to maybe the
point we want them to get to in terms of, hey,
you got to be able to process and create at
the same type of level. I think that's really hard,
and we don't see a lot of guys that can
do that.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
You know.
Speaker 12 (31:58):
Lamar Jackson is one of the guys that I think
does that really well. Josh Allen has shown at times
he can do that really well. But I think that's
a tough dynamic to fight for these guys that are
just incredible athletes for the majority of their lives.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, And I always bring this up because it's not
necessarily Michael Vick or Kyler Murray. Steve Young was like this.
Steve Young said, Hey, I had one read not there,
I'm running and then all of a sudden, Bill Walsh
is like, what are you doing? Stay in the pocket,
go through your progressions. And he became a Hall of
Fame quarterback because of that. He had the ability to
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be able to extend plays. But Bill Walsh would say,
will you stop doing that? Go through your progressions. You've
got great receivers, and he became one of the most
accurate quarterbacks in NFL history.
Speaker 12 (32:46):
Yeah, and it makes the game easy. You want the
offense to work for you. Like I still think even
with some of these great athletes, and maybe Lamar is
the exception.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
But it's hard to win.
Speaker 12 (32:58):
Games in the NFL week in and week out, trying
to be athletic. You're trying to run around and make plays.
You've got to allow the game where the offense and it.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
We lost you, We lost your connection there. We can
see you, we can't hear you. That's weird.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
How often does that happen?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
It is the audio and not the video. Yeah, Kurt,
we'll catch up with you, but thank you. He'll be
on the Monday night call between the Eagles and the Chargers.
I was going to try to read his lips, but
I wanted to be fair to him. But yeah, I mean,
that's why when I think of you got so much talent,
but you're using it in a wrong way. And Steve
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Young mentioned that when he joined us this week, He's like,
I'd rush for a touchdown and Bill Walsh would say,
what are you doing? And Steve said, I'm scoring a touchdown. No,
we don't need you to do that. We don't need
you stay in the pocket. All right, We'll take a break.
Brian Winhor's Top of the Hour on the future of
Giannis in Milwaukee. More phone calls after this. Fox Sports
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One of my college sources said that got to give
credit to South Florida for what they did to bring
in Brian Hartline, the offensive coordinator at Ohio State, and
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he was in line for no pun intended, Penn State,
but South Florida got him. He's going to stay with
Ohio State during the playoffs and then he's going to
take over for South Florida. But South Florida is going
to step up with its resources. They're gonna try to
be a power for team. They want to get in
with the big boys, and they have a new funding
(34:57):
department and South Florida's trying to be a player. They
got Brian Hartline, who's done a wonderful job at Ohio State. See,
I didn't know if he had the experience for Penn State.
Now he knows the big ten. He played at Ohio State,
and I thought he might be the guy for Penn State.
Where you're gonna get a young guy in there and
you're gonna take him from Ohio State. But South Florida
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did a wonderful job. It was a sneaky, sneaky hire.
When Paul goes Brian Hartline game, where's he going? I
went Penn State because I had been told that that
might be the place. Now it's South Florida.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Yeah, Paul, Yeah, USFF. USF is nine to three this year.
It's not a rebuild that he's going to. They just
got their coach taken from them, so they were ranked
eighteenth at one point in the season.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
That's a really nice situation. Yeah, and they're gonna spend money.
You know, everybody sees this opportunity where you not necessarily
the big boys, but you can join the big boys
and you got to spend money. And that's what South
Florida is planning on doing. Okay, we're gonna play the
What exactly is Josh Allen trying to say here? He
(35:59):
was asked about the pressure to win. Here's the Bills quarterback.
Speaker 13 (36:05):
It makes your your decisions, it makes sure your your
practice habits all that more meaningful.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
It feels like there's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 13 (36:14):
You know, as the saying goes, pressures can make diamonds
and burst pipes and make diamonds. I think that's how
it goes. I'm not fully sure how it does, but
it's the best time to play play football. It's when
when the stakes are high, you gotta go out there
and you got to perform your job.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Okay, pressure burst pipes, but also makes diamonds. Is that
what Josh Allen is saying here? Yeah, yes, Paula, Yeah,
I think he got a little loose. He was.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
He was right on the phrases pressure makes diamonds. It
was general George S. Patten created that years ago. But
there's another phrase, no pressure, no diamonds that was also
very popular in that eighteen and nineteen hundreds. So I
think he had it and got a little loose in
turn four.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
But pressure also what creates leaks and blows out pipes
or something.
Speaker 8 (37:04):
Marvin the things pressure bust pipes is the other thing pipes.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Okay, So I guess you combine them into pressure makes
diamonds or burst pipes.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
In Buffalo in the winter, if you have burst pipes,
you're in a big jam.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah that's not good.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
No, Yeah, an arctic chill coming through, So turn your
water off in the basement.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
Yeah, yes, tut it seems like you got a little
tongue tied. Maybe it's just talking about the importance of
controlling pressure. Pressure can be a good thing, but pressure,
if not handled well, can lead to a disaster.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
That's basically pipe.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, good, burst a pipe, or you can create a diamond,
Thank you, Todd.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
Every cloud has a golden ceiling, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
So if the pipe burst, it's a bad thing. But
if you get a diamond, that's a good thing.
Speaker 6 (37:43):
I use pressure, you know, as a positive to motivate you,
not to just knock you down and make you feel
like it's you're overwhelmed. It can't handle it.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Hold on, let me write this pressure pipe, bad, pressure,
diamond good. Okay, yeah, Paul.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
My wife once said years ago, she's gonna kill me
for this. Yes, well, you gotta read between the limes.
I go shoot me. I go read between the lines.
She goes limes. I'm like, it's lines, read between the lemons.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
I think, of course.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
She also said, you're lying to my teeth one time,
not lying to my teeth. We're on our honeymoon. You're
lying to my teeth.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
And you might have been yes, and while lying through.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
Your teeth to read between the lines.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Read between the limes is she said.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
She said she heard it when she was like eleven
years old and just went with it. Ever since, that
is so fantastic. Read between the lines, that's water over
the bridge.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah. Usually you get that from songs where you think
you're hearing something and then you realize that what you
think you're hearing is not really what they're singing. But
I haven't. I haven't heard things like that before.
Speaker 8 (38:52):
Yes, Martan, there's that song rocking around the Christmas tree
and the singer goes, maybe we'll have some pumpkin pie.
I thought it was something else, not pumpkin. I was like, well,
it's a little vulgar for the Christmas season. Maybe we'll
have some pumpkin pie.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
And I was like, okay. I randomly stumbled onto Stranger
Things the final season, and I think I'm a couple
of seasons removed, so I don't know exactly what the
kids are doing. They should be driving cars, I think
at this age, but they're still on their bicycles and
(39:30):
with their walkie talkies. And so I watched a little
bit of it, and then I realized I have no
idea what's going on with Vekna and the kids. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Yeah, they're all married in real life now, and like.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
I know, I know Millie Bobby Brown has a child
that she adopted. She married bon Jovie's son. Yes, both.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
I've never watched it. So they're still playing teenagers at
like an advanced age.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yes, oh yeah, they're in their twenties and everybody has
a bad wig on. They all have bad wigs.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
It's fun though, I mean, it's like it's fun, it's
coming to an end, and it's definitely time.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yes, it is definitely time. It doesn't seem like you're
kind of show. Gotta admit. First couple of seasons all in. Yeah,
they're great all in and then there was too much
Vecna and you know they started to lose me after that.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
Yes, you're watching any of that is one of the
more stranger things I think as supposed to sea level
college basketball games.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, and then I'm watching The Beast in Me with
Claire Danes and who's the Her husband is married to
someone famous who was in the diplomat. She was also
in the Americans. Anybody and Me? But if we google
(40:59):
dip your day, Carrie Russell, Carrie Russell, Carrie Russell, Okay,
I don't know why I said that.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Hour two.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
On this Thursday, we'll talk to the Hall of Famer
Kurt Warner, who'll get us ready for the Cowboys Lions
coming up tonight. We talked about this prior to the
game on Thanksgiving and I said the Chiefs Cowboys would
be the highest rated game of all time regular season
and that's what it turned out to be. Larger than
I thought it was going to be. It was over
(00:26):
fifty million watching the Cowboys and the Lions. And then
turns out that the Packers game, or the Cowboys and
the Chiefs, the Packers and the Lions second highest rated
regular season game of all time. One in five years
ago that people were saying, you know, this could be
the death of the NFL and all the causes they
(00:50):
stood for and the saturation over saturation and fantasy and gambling,
and the NFL is expanding, you know now they're talking
about maybe two games on Black Friday. Now they're talking
about more games internationally. They're not slowing down, not at all.
Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, thank you for
downloading the app, and we'll talk to Brian Windhorse he'll
(01:12):
join us in an hour from now. There was a
report yesterday that is kind of piggybacking what Brian Winhors
reported at the beginning of the year. The season with
the NBA, Jannis had asked for a trade to the Knicks.
He wanted to go there, and it felt like maybe
Milwaukee was saying, all right, just you know, stay put,
(01:33):
We're going to try to surround you with a good team.
They're not a good team. And now it's surfaced again
that maybe you know, Jannis is gonna want out, and
what can you get for him. There'll be a lot
of teams in line. But what do you I mean?
Is it five first round draft picks? I mean even then,
first round draft picks seem to be meaningless. It feels like, ah, yeah,
(01:56):
we'll give you five. You want a six, We'll give
you a six. One. Well, they're on a second. If
you're Milwaukee, can you rebuild? Is that what the goal
is going to be?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
That?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Okay, we are resigned to the fact that we're not
a good team. We tried. We tried to get Dame Lindllard,
tried to make it work. It didn't work, and we
probably have to detonate here, but we'll talk to Wendy
about that coming up eight seven seven three DP Show
email address, DPA Danpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at dp show.
(02:27):
Poll question for hour two is gonna be what Seaton?
Speaker 4 (02:30):
You know, I took a couple of liberties and I
just threw a bunch of them up there, look at you.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah. Yeah, that's called going rogue.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah yeah, Well, I just thought, you know, being you know,
what's that word when you're just sort of a proactive
industrial is being proactive? Okay, the Milwaukee Bucks should keep
you honest or trade them?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Seventy four percent say trade them the best fit for you, honest.
New York, San Antonio, Oklahoma City or Houston have any
thoughts on that. I know we've been kind of kicking
it around all morning, But New York, San Antonio, Oklahoma City, Houston.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Oklahoma City doesn't need him to win another title. No,
but it'd be a great luxury to have him and
give up these draft picks. There's only so many roster
spots you have, and they have three first round picks
right now that would be in the top fifteen. Boy,
that'd be fascinating if they said, yeah, you know, I'm
(03:28):
gonna pair him with Chet and SGA. But you know
San Antonio is another destination of putting Yannis there with
Victor Wembenyama Houston. They got a lot of young talent
there the Knicks. That's the place because the Knicks have
a chance to win a championship. Now, you're not giving
(03:49):
up Brunson. He's untouchable. What what are you yelling at?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Like?
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Would I look at that from the buck side. If
I'm going to trade in the Knicks, I have to
have Brunson as the starting point or else I'm getting
a bunch of Knicks draft picks. That is the twenty
seventh pick of the draft for the next four years.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
You might as well just give him away. You're not
getting Brunson.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Then you can't even have the conversation with the Knicks.
I mean five first round draft picks that are gonna
be joannest is gonna make them better.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Well, maybe you get some players, but you you can't.
You're not. There's no way I give up Jalen Brunson
like he can't be part of the deal. Yes see.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Yeah, and the Knicks are gonna have trouble too because
you're gonna start getting into all this crap with you know,
the second apron and you gotta do whatever salary cap like,
oh god, forget it, just send me to Houston.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Yes, Todd, I agree with mc marvin said earlier. Get
him more, not especially if they're gonna give up several pieces.
The Knicks aren't winning a title anytime soon. I'm very
intrigued by a Wemby and Greek freak playing together.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
That would be fantastic.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, but I don't know how that works with spacing
on the floor and two guys seven footers out there,
and like, I don't know. I mean, I love the possibility.
But if I'm the new whatever, this guy actually wants
to play for you, I want to get him. And
it feels like he's going to come in and you know,
maybe him being there that free agents would want to
(05:11):
go play there. I wouldn't look at this as a
one year situation. I'd look at this as a four
or five year, you know deal. And but we'll talk
to Windhors this is what he does, and we'll chat
with him coming up the Chris Paul parting of ways
with the Clippers in Atlanta, and then we started to
find I said, there has to be something more to it.
(05:31):
Turns out Tylu and Chris Paul weren't talking. Chris Paul's
not for everybody he's stayed around. He's kind of a
lesser version of Isaiah Thomas, you know, without the titles.
But that guy who's a tough guy, uh, you know,
considered a leader, but he can he can agitate you.
(05:52):
And if you're not that good anymore, then all of
a sudden you don't put up with somebody. That's probably
the case for Tylu and the clips. And they just
they dropped him off at a rest stop and then
they kept going official. I think that's what are they going?
(06:13):
A wah wah. I think they have in Atlanta, they
have wah wahs. I just thought they would allow him
to at least come back and save a little bit
dignity and and and maybe announced that, hey, Chris Paul
knight and you say goodbye to Chris Paul. Here's ty
Lou on kicking Chris Paul to the curve.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
I don't like it, you know, it just didn't work
out like we thought it would, you know. And I
said I don't like it for CP, you know, but
just went a good fit. You know, we understood that.
And so, like I said, it was an organization. You know,
they made the choice, you know, and so moving forward,
(06:56):
you know, we got to see what we do. So
we'll see.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Coach, why wasn't it a good fit? That's what I
would want to know. Why weren't you two talking to
each other? Like there's questions here if you want to
ask the questions. I don't know if they were asked,
but those would be. But once again, he shouldn't be,
you know, the escapegoat here. They're not a good team.
When your best player doesn't play, it's hard to be
(07:23):
a really good team. James Harden's a curiosity and you know,
a fantastic player at times. But other than that, he
got nice arena. He got nice arena. Maybe you can
get a job. You don't even have to show up
for work, you know. So Clippers are a mess. That's
a mess, yes, Martin, and.
Speaker 8 (07:46):
I feel like your two best players in Kawhi and Harden,
are two guys that you know what, I play basketball,
I get my money, I go home. Chris Paul really
felt like a leader that really wanted to win, but
unfortunately for him, he's the same age as me.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, it's hard to listen to.
Speaker 8 (08:00):
A guy that's on year twenty one and he's not
first team All NBA Chris Paul anymore. And he's still
doing first team All NBA Chris Paul things. He's probably
yelling at guys like, oh, we might have put up
with this in twenty ten, and its twenty twenty five.
I can't number this anymore.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
You contribute more to this show than Chris Paul does
to the Clippers, and we're having a better season, we're winners.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Ball.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
If Chris Paul plays for one more team as he
ends his career, that will be eight for his career.
Can you think of a first ballot Hall of Famer
that played with I know Durant's up there, but that's
a lot of teams for a first a guy who
appears to be a first ballot Hall of Famer, And
I think that dings your career.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Eight teams. Nobody comes to mind playing that many for
that many teams. Yes, Mark.
Speaker 8 (08:57):
The closest to me as a first ballot Hall of
Fame is Shack that you played for six teams.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Yeah, I've got a few Holy God, these are good.
Now you gotta count Aba Moses Malone nine. But if
you remove that, Okay, who is a Hall of Famer?
I think I think he's going in this year based
on the math. First ballot guy who he played for eight.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Teams, first ballot, eight teams.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Yeah, and he retired in twenty twenty, so he's a
recent guy. Chauncey Billups seven teams. Oh, no way to
bring that back?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah? Yes, mart is it Carmelo Nope?
Speaker 5 (09:43):
This is it's probably Seaton's favorite basketball player modern.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Era, Ricky Henderson.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Yes, it's Bence Carter's Toronto, New Jersey, Dallas, Memphis, Atlanta, Orlando, Sacktown, Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Okay, how lucky were they? Yeah? Those they're all winners
eight seven seven three DP show email address DP at
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I just got this sent to me. Here we go.
One of my sources, Penn State's painted themselves in a corner.
(10:19):
They have no clear options besides Brian Kelly or Brian
Dable types. I'm being told they probably will stay with
interim head coach Terry Smith and he'll stay there for
the upcoming season, and then Penn State will then go
(10:39):
in all in for the following season. So this is
a source who just sent that to me. That stay
with interim interim coach Terry Smith for remaining remains for
next year. At this point in the school prepares all
resources for the big hire next year. But Brian Kelly,
Brian Dable maybe as possibilities there at Penn State.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Yes, Paul, here's the name I haven't heard or seen reported,
Dan Mullen of UNLV, the guy coached in the SEC
for a long time. He went to UNV and there
ten and two. He's been there one year. I haven't
even seen his name rumored for that spot. And that's
if Dan Mullen wants to get back to the the biggies,
no offense you know of he's doing great. That can
(11:22):
be a name.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, SEC wise, okay, but Penn State. I don't see
that with Dan Mullen. But I didn't see Penn State
without a head coach for fifty three days too. You know,
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What's on your mind today?
Speaker 9 (12:03):
Yeah, good morning. Takes stick of my call five eight
and I'm broken one five. This one's right up Paula's alley.
I was wondering, you know, the evolution of college football.
If the you know, one double A teams are going
to be a farm system for the SBS football.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Teams a farm system. No, but Seet and I were
talking about this yesterday. If you redid college football, made
it sixty teams and the FCS was the relegation where
you win the FCS title, you automatically go up and
join the conference that's mostly regional to you, that could
be pretty juicy for college football.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I like relegation. I like that. I like you can
get promoted, you can actually move up. And uh, you know,
we see this with certainly with soccer, and the amount
of money that you're going to make is a whole
lot different. And uh, but but having something else to
keep an eye on, aside for these twelve teams that
are going to make the playoffs. Now you're going to
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keep an eye on these championships that are going to
take place in the so called subdivision there. Let's see,
and thanks for the phone call. Let me see Keith
and Chico. Hi, Keith, what's on your mind?
Speaker 10 (13:18):
Hey Dan, I just had a scenario I wanted to
throw at you guys. I think it'd be pretty cool
if the college football Playoff Committee was maybe televised. We
could maybe get an inside scoop of how these people
think and whether they're real football fans or knowledgeable fans.
They could televise it might be a pretty cool event
as compared to the reveal that they currently have.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I brought that up a couple of years ago. It said,
let the cameras go in there. I mean, what are
we hiding from unless you don't want somebody's name attached
to I don't believe in Notre Dame or I don't
believe in Miami, and then all of a sudden, you know,
that person becomes owstra sized. But just to give us
sort of that feeling of what it's like in there,
(13:59):
I thought it'd be great. Everything about sports now is
to bring you closer, closer, closer. You know, the sidelines,
we're gonna interview coaches, we're interviewing players during games. Now,
let us behind the curtain here with the college football Playoff.
At least let us see what it looks like, what
it feels like. What kind of food are you eating? Now?
(14:19):
Who sits where, who's loud, who's not? And maybe you
could give us just a little even with a selection
Sunday with the nc DOUBLEA. I mean, i'd love to
see it. See that to me doesn't feel like it's
as volatile. Now, Okay, you're the sixty ninth team. I'm sorry,
you're not gonna make it. And if they do argue
(14:41):
about that, it might be well, I don't think that
this team's the number one seed. I think there are two. Okay,
that's not the end of the world. I think that
would be fascinating to know who's arguing and what they're
arguing for. But you know, until the NCUBA realizes, hey,
we can make a lot of money on this, then
we're probably not gonna happen. Kurt Warner, Hall of Famer,
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Speaker 2 (15:55):
Paulie mentioned Dan Mullen, who's done a really good job
first year at EONLV. What about him for Penn's date?
I said, I don't know, it just feels like SEC.
But he was born in Pennsylvania. He played college football
at a small school in Pennsylvania. Sure, I mean at
this stage, I guess everything's on the table there. Could
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you see maybe Brian Dable coaching Penn State? What about
Brian Kelly coaching Penn State. Those were a couple of options,
but my source said they're probably staying with their interim
head coach this next season and then they'll put all
their resources in and try to go after somebody.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Yeah, PAULI yeah, like you said at this juncture, you know,
Dan Mullen was an offensive guru back in the day,
had some really good years and no's a system like
a guy like bringing Brian Daball. You kind of got
to start from scratch.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Well, he has coached in the NFL. He's an offensive
minded head coach. So, I mean, I don't know what
that jump is like. We always talk about the jump
from college to the pros. I don't know what it's
like to go pros back to college Las Vegas to
Happy Valley.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
That's the difference.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Kurt Warner joining us the Hall of Famer. He'll be
on the call in the radio booth for Westwood One
Monday Night the Eagles and the Chargers at so Far
They kick off at eight fifteen Eastern. You can also
see them on NFL Game Day morning. Before I talk NFL,
let me ask you about the whole situation with your son. EJ.
Played at a couple of colleges. I believe he's a
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right now at Fresno State. But you know, you got NIL,
you got transfer portal, you know all the recruitment. What
do you make of the college football situation right now?
Speaker 11 (17:36):
You know?
Speaker 12 (17:37):
I think when you look at it, there's obviously definitely
issues there, whether you're talking about the calendar, which everybody's
been talking about with this whole different thing, when you're
talking about nil, you know. But I've also seen the
transfer portal work for actually two of my boys, and
I had one son that was at Nebraska, went to
Kansas State for some particular issues, had a great finish
(18:00):
to his career there. With EJ it was some opportunities
as he played really well at Temple to see if
he could parlay that into a bigger opportunity that he
didn't get out of high school. And so I understand
the NAL. I think guys should definitely get paid. I
think they should get what they're worth. I love the opportunity,
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but I think there has to be reasons on why
you're making the jump. You know, the idea of just
jumping one place to another solely for money, I think
is always going to be a problem.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I think the fact that some teams have.
Speaker 12 (18:35):
Way more money than other teams, even within conferences and
those sorts of things, creates a whole another issue there.
So obviously, I think there's some benefits to it, some
negatives to it, and I just think it has to
be it has to be monitored and set up in
a different way to make it successful.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I think for everybody you got football coming up tonight,
do you have a better handle on the Lions or
the Cowboys?
Speaker 12 (19:04):
I think I still have questions on both, but I
think Dallas is maybe showing us a little bit more
of what they can be or the consistency now that
they've got some guys healthy on.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Defense, they made the trades.
Speaker 12 (19:17):
So still not sure there are a great defense, But
with that offense, I think, you know, we can feel
like either defense has done enough to show us they
can consistently play at a certain level. Yeah, I'm still
have a lot of questions with the Lions coming into
the year, I think we all thought we knew what
they could be and now it's been a roller coaster
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ride both offensively and defensively with them some of the
injuries that they have, Yeah, I would say I'm probably
have a better feel for what I'm going to get
from the Dallas Cowboys than what I'm going to get
for the Lions.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out the Lions situation here.
I know they've got some injuries here, and they do
run the football and Gibbs is great, but they just
seem like they've hit their ceiling. And I thought that they,
you know, that was a team that, all right, it
didn't work out last year because the injuries now were
really going to show you and it just they really
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disappointed here and they might be the third best team
in their own division right now.
Speaker 12 (20:19):
Yeah, I think you're right, you know, but it's hard
also to sustain the level of success that they've had
over the last couple of years, and specifically what they
had last year.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
I mean, fifteen wins is crazy, and you know, I
would have to go back and look, but I would.
Speaker 12 (20:34):
Guess that they were in a lot of close games
and somehow find found a way to win those close
games last year. And it's hard to sustain that as well,
because we know in the NFL, so many games are
decided by one score or less and it comes down
to one play here or there, or one mistake here
or there, and you know, I think we're seeing it,
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like with the Eagles, pretty much the same cast of characters,
but they're not playing as well this year.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I think the same thing holds true for the Lions.
Speaker 12 (21:03):
A lot of the same character, especially on offense, and
not playing as well this year.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
And trying to put your finger on exactly what that is.
Speaker 12 (21:12):
Maybe it's just the ability to sustain a high level
of play year after year after year in the NFL,
it's just not that easy.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Talking to Kurt Warner, he'll be in the radio booth.
It'll be the Eagles visiting the Chargers. That'll be next
Monday night. Are you planning on Justin Herbert playing in
that game?
Speaker 12 (21:32):
I'm planning on him playing, you know, being that it's
his left hand, you know, knowing the toughness of Justin
Herbert and the things that he's played through before. Understanding
what you know this stretch run means for this Chargers
team in terms of the playoffs and things. I'm expecting that,
you know, and I expect that from most players. If
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we always ask the question, can it get any worse?
Is there something that can happen if I'm lane, that
makes this worse, and that you know, like if I
play Monday, is there a chance three weeks from now
I'm more injured and can't play when it really matters.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
If the answer to that question is.
Speaker 12 (22:12):
No, most players are going to do everything that they
can to to get out there. You know, I've talked
about it. You know, Jad and Daniel suffered, you know,
that tear in his you know, in his elbow. I
had the same injury back in O seven, and you know,
I had just gotten back into the starting role and
it was my first game back. I played the next
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week and I played the rest of the season with
that injury simply because it was, Hey, it can't get
any worse. You know, you're just gonna sit and do rehab,
So let's just brace it up and go. And you know,
I had to hand the ball off everything with my
right hand because of that issue, where I could see
justin Herbert possibly having to do some of that stuff.
I was taken out down in the tight red zone
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because we we had to go under center and some type.
So I could see some adjustments being made to help
protect that hand. But as long as that hand's not
going to get any worse. I believe Justin Herbert will
be out there playing.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
I asked this question yesterday to Andrew Whitworth, the former ligneman.
Do you want your quarterback to be smart or tough?
If you have to choose between those two, smart or tough?
Speaker 12 (23:24):
I mean, I guess the question is when you say tough,
what are you talking about. I know yesterday when you
were talking, you were talking more about Jackson Dart running
down the field and taking big hits. In that case,
I want my quarterback to be smart more than tough.
I think there's a toughness factor to kind of what
we're talking about with Justin Herbert, or a toughness to
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standing in the pocket and you know, and delivering a throw,
you know, to the last second when you're getting hit.
There's a level of toughness that I go, Okay, I
want my quarterback to be tough in that way. But
I probably would say overall, you know, less people are
gonna worry about us being tough, and more people are
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gonna worry.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
About us being smart.
Speaker 12 (24:09):
I want a smart quarterback that makes good decisions, that's
out there and available to his team and gives them
chances to win every time out. Although I do understand
the idea of toughness, I just don't need it. When
you know, when you can run out of bounds or
you can gain two more yards, I don't need you
to take that big hit. I don't need you, you know,
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to run through a defender instead of slide. I don't
look at quarterbacks, you know, when I watch film and go,
oh geez, you know, I wish I had that guy
that was running through a linebacker. No, I'm like, slide, slide,
be smart and get back up and help your team.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
That was my point is you're gonna get a yard.
What does it matter. You're coming off concussion protocol, you
got two wins on the season. Get out of bounds.
You guys can build on something. You I have something
here in the embryonic stages. I don't need to show
you know, play all seventeen games. If you survive seventeen
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regular season games, you're tough. You don't need to tell
me show me you're tough. That will tell me. Just
there the availability.
Speaker 12 (25:16):
Yeah, and I think you know, we could go back
to another Giants quarterback in Eli Manning.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
And you know, Eli.
Speaker 12 (25:22):
There were times that he was going to just go down, like, hey,
if the play was over, I'm just going to fall
down in the pocket. And he became known as a
tough quarterback why because he was never out Like he
played so many games in a row for the Giants
and it was like, that's what you know, we want
is the guy that's going to be out there and play.
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And so he understood when the play was over. And
there's no doubt that people get excited and your sideline
gets excited if your quarterback runs over a linebacker, you know,
down the field. I understand that aspect of things, But
I think you're one hundred percent right.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Is that more important?
Speaker 12 (26:00):
Your team wants you if you're the leader and if
you're the guy to be out there ever snap, and
they're not going to worry about you sliding or falling
down every once in a while as long as you
do the things that your team needs you to do
on a weekly base.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Help me understand from your perspective as a Hall of
Famer Drake May's development and contrast that with Caleb Williams development.
Because the Bears are playing well. I don't think they're
playing well because of Caleb Williams where the Patriots are
playing well, and I believe that is in large part
to Drake May.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (26:30):
Well, I mean, I feel like Drake played well last year,
but I feel he's in a system that really fits
what he does as a quarterback. I think Josh McDaniels
does a great job of designing plays. It's what I
call full field plays, where it's drop back, read the coverage.
When you know what the coverage is, I've got a
concept that can attack that coverage and you just have
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to get your eyes there, read it, and it speeds
up the game for Drake May because he's really good
at doing those things and so the system really fits
who he is. And when you talk about development, that
to me is the first step in development. Do you
have a play designer, a play caller that sees the
(27:12):
game like the quarterback sees the game like You can
have a lot of really good plays in an offense,
but if it doesn't connect to how the quarterback plays
the game, it makes the game harder and they're not
comfortable with what they're doing every snap. I believe they've
got a great comfort level together to go along with
the way Drake is throwing the football. I mean it's
(27:34):
like effortless, it's easy, his ability to throw the ball
down the field.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
But I think Josh has really sped up.
Speaker 12 (27:40):
Those reads for him so he can play fast, know
what he wants to do with the football, and that
just makes him more confident.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
On the other side, with Caleb, I think Caleb is
a guy that.
Speaker 12 (27:52):
Hasn't had to process information as much as maybe a
Drake may or some other quarterbacks. He's been a guy
that been able to lie on the athleticism. You know,
we watched him in college. He can make all the throws,
but he would buy a lot of time and he
would create because he was more comfortable with that. And
so what's happened is he's got to the NFL is
(28:14):
We're trying and everybody's trying. Ben's trying to get him
to play more conventional quarterback, go through his reads, his progressions,
stay in the pocket, and it's a battle for him.
It's a battle for him right now to change the
way that he's played the game. He's gotten better at
it from last year to this year. Last year wasn't
processing very fast, holding onto the football, you know, almost
(28:36):
too much, and taking too many sacks. This year, he's
gotten better with those things, but still not there yet
where I believe it's it's a comfort level for him
to go, oh, I got this one, two, three, and
work through those things and feel comfortable in that place.
So that's where when you talk about the process of
the two of them. Drake more comfortable in that setting
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through college and where he's at now. Caleb not as comfortable,
but working through it and fighting through it. And so
he's gotten much better from last year, but still has
a ways to go in that arena. And I think
as he gets more comfortable, he'll also get more accurate.
That's the other part of it is Drake has been
extremely accurate throwing the football. Caleb is not. Caleb's made
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a lot of big, explosive plays, but he's also missing
a lot of layups. And I think a lot of
that comes with knowing exactly what you want to do
with the football, being comfortable with that, and then being
able that a read.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
This may sound strange, but it just came to my mind.
Can you have too much talent as a quarterback?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Well?
Speaker 12 (29:42):
I think a lot of talent. I say this, Dan,
and I didn't have this so I'm just speculating like
everybody else. But yeah, I do believe the more talent
and the more skills and gifts you have, the more
it's going to kind of open up the possibilities of
what you could do on every play, you know, that
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the throws that you could make, the ability to be
creative instead of staying in the pocket, you know, those
sorts of things I think open up more possibilities for
a guy like me. There was one possibility you're going
to stand in the pocket, You're going to read the
coverage and you're gonna have to throw it to the
right guy, and so it simplified things for me from
that standpoint. I've always wondered how an athletic quarterback decides
(30:26):
when it's time to run, like when is it time
to take off, as opposed to staying in your progressions,
you know, and even forcing that issue. You know, I've
talked a lot about it that I believe, you know,
athletic quarterbacks, we've got.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
More and more of them now. They kind of grow
up not being forced to learn.
Speaker 12 (30:43):
How to read the field or read defenses and progress
through their their reads, their you know, their coach drop
back see if your first guy's open.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
If he's not, go create a play for us, And
so that becomes their norm more and more and more.
Speaker 12 (30:58):
And these guys are such great athletes, they get further
and further and further in their careers without having to
learn the opposite. So, like with Caleb Williams, now we're
getting into the NFL level against the best players in
the world, and we're saying, hey, now you have to
change the way you've always played, and you've got to
learn to process better, and you've got to learn to
stay in the pocket, and I mean that's got to
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be a really hard thing to do. So to your point,
the more skills you have, the more you and I
don't even want want to say get away with, the
more things you can do on a given play through
the majority of your career. And then when we try
to fine tune that and say we can't do this
as much anymore, and you can't do this as much anymore,
it's always going to be I think a struggle for
those guys for at least a period, and then it
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leads the question can they ever get to maybe the
point we want them to get to in terms of, hey,
you got to be able to process and create at
the same type of level. I think that's really hard,
and we don't see a lot of guys that can
do that.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
You know.
Speaker 12 (31:58):
Lamar Jackson is one of the guys that I think
does that really well. Josh Allen has shown at times
he can do that really well. But I think that's
a tough dynamic to fight for these guys that are
just incredible athletes for the majority of their lives.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, And I always bring this up because it's not
necessarily Michael Vick or Kyler Murray. Steve Young was like this.
Steve Young said, Hey, I had one read not there,
I'm running and then all of a sudden, Bill Walsh
is like, what are you doing? Stay in the pocket,
go through your progressions. And he became a Hall of
Fame quarterback because of that. He had the ability to
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be able to extend plays. But Bill Walsh would say,
will you stop doing that? Go through your progressions. You've
got great receivers, and he became one of the most
accurate quarterbacks in NFL history.
Speaker 12 (32:46):
Yeah, and it makes the game easy. You want the
offense to work for you. Like I still think even
with some of these great athletes, and maybe Lamar is
the exception.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
But it's hard to win.
Speaker 12 (32:58):
Games in the NFL week in and week out, trying
to be athletic. You're trying to run around and make plays.
You've got to allow the game where the offense and it.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
We lost you, We lost your connection there. We can
see you, we can't hear you. That's weird.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
How often does that happen?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
It is the audio and not the video. Yeah, Kurt,
we'll catch up with you, but thank you. He'll be
on the Monday night call between the Eagles and the Chargers.
I was going to try to read his lips, but
I wanted to be fair to him. But yeah, I mean,
that's why when I think of you got so much talent,
but you're using it in a wrong way. And Steve
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Young mentioned that when he joined us this week, He's like,
I'd rush for a touchdown and Bill Walsh would say,
what are you doing? And Steve said, I'm scoring a touchdown. No,
we don't need you to do that. We don't need
you stay in the pocket. All right, We'll take a break.
Brian Winhor's Top of the Hour on the future of
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One of my college sources said that got to give
credit to South Florida for what they did to bring
in Brian Hartline, the offensive coordinator at Ohio State, and
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he was in line for no pun intended, Penn State,
but South Florida got him. He's going to stay with
Ohio State during the playoffs and then he's going to
take over for South Florida. But South Florida is going
to step up with its resources. They're gonna try to
be a power for team. They want to get in
with the big boys, and they have a new funding
(34:57):
department and South Florida's trying to be a player. They
got Brian Hartline, who's done a wonderful job at Ohio State. See,
I didn't know if he had the experience for Penn State.
Now he knows the big ten. He played at Ohio State,
and I thought he might be the guy for Penn State.
Where you're gonna get a young guy in there and
you're gonna take him from Ohio State. But South Florida
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did a wonderful job. It was a sneaky, sneaky hire.
When Paul goes Brian Hartline game, where's he going? I
went Penn State because I had been told that that
might be the place. Now it's South Florida.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Yeah, Paul, Yeah, USFF. USF is nine to three this year.
It's not a rebuild that he's going to. They just
got their coach taken from them, so they were ranked
eighteenth at one point in the season.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
That's a really nice situation. Yeah, and they're gonna spend money.
You know, everybody sees this opportunity where you not necessarily
the big boys, but you can join the big boys
and you got to spend money. And that's what South
Florida is planning on doing. Okay, we're gonna play the
What exactly is Josh Allen trying to say here? He
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was asked about the pressure to win. Here's the Bills quarterback.
Speaker 13 (36:05):
It makes your your decisions, it makes sure your your
practice habits all that more meaningful.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
It feels like there's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 13 (36:14):
You know, as the saying goes, pressures can make diamonds
and burst pipes and make diamonds. I think that's how
it goes. I'm not fully sure how it does, but
it's the best time to play play football. It's when
when the stakes are high, you gotta go out there
and you got to perform your job.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Okay, pressure burst pipes, but also makes diamonds. Is that
what Josh Allen is saying here? Yeah, yes, Paula, Yeah,
I think he got a little loose. He was.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
He was right on the phrases pressure makes diamonds. It
was general George S. Patten created that years ago. But
there's another phrase, no pressure, no diamonds that was also
very popular in that eighteen and nineteen hundreds. So I
think he had it and got a little loose in
turn four.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
But pressure also what creates leaks and blows out pipes
or something.
Speaker 8 (37:04):
Marvin the things pressure bust pipes is the other thing pipes.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Okay, So I guess you combine them into pressure makes
diamonds or burst pipes.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
In Buffalo in the winter, if you have burst pipes,
you're in a big jam.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah that's not good.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
No, Yeah, an arctic chill coming through, So turn your
water off in the basement.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
Yeah, yes, tut it seems like you got a little
tongue tied. Maybe it's just talking about the importance of
controlling pressure. Pressure can be a good thing, but pressure,
if not handled well, can lead to a disaster.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
That's basically pipe.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, good, burst a pipe, or you can create a diamond,
Thank you, Todd.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
Every cloud has a golden ceiling, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
So if the pipe burst, it's a bad thing. But
if you get a diamond, that's a good thing.
Speaker 6 (37:43):
I use pressure, you know, as a positive to motivate you,
not to just knock you down and make you feel
like it's you're overwhelmed. It can't handle it.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Hold on, let me write this pressure pipe, bad, pressure,
diamond good. Okay, yeah, Paul.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
My wife once said years ago, she's gonna kill me
for this. Yes, well, you gotta read between the limes.
I go shoot me. I go read between the lines.
She goes limes. I'm like, it's lines, read between the lemons.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
I think, of course.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
She also said, you're lying to my teeth one time,
not lying to my teeth. We're on our honeymoon. You're
lying to my teeth.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
And you might have been yes, and while lying through.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
Your teeth to read between the lines.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Read between the limes is she said.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
She said she heard it when she was like eleven
years old and just went with it. Ever since, that
is so fantastic. Read between the lines, that's water over
the bridge.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah. Usually you get that from songs where you think
you're hearing something and then you realize that what you
think you're hearing is not really what they're singing. But
I haven't. I haven't heard things like that before.
Speaker 8 (38:52):
Yes, Martan, there's that song rocking around the Christmas tree
and the singer goes, maybe we'll have some pumpkin pie.
I thought it was something else, not pumpkin. I was like, well,
it's a little vulgar for the Christmas season. Maybe we'll
have some pumpkin pie.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
And I was like, okay. I randomly stumbled onto Stranger
Things the final season, and I think I'm a couple
of seasons removed, so I don't know exactly what the
kids are doing. They should be driving cars, I think
at this age, but they're still on their bicycles and
(39:30):
with their walkie talkies. And so I watched a little
bit of it, and then I realized I have no
idea what's going on with Vekna and the kids. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Yeah, they're all married in real life now, and like.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
I know, I know Millie Bobby Brown has a child
that she adopted. She married bon Jovie's son. Yes, both.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
I've never watched it. So they're still playing teenagers at
like an advanced age.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yes, oh yeah, they're in their twenties and everybody has
a bad wig on. They all have bad wigs.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
It's fun though, I mean, it's like it's fun, it's
coming to an end, and it's definitely time.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yes, it is definitely time. It doesn't seem like you're
kind of show. Gotta admit. First couple of seasons all in. Yeah,
they're great all in and then there was too much
Vecna and you know they started to lose me after that.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
Yes, you're watching any of that is one of the
more stranger things I think as supposed to sea level
college basketball games.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, and then I'm watching The Beast in Me with
Claire Danes and who's the Her husband is married to
someone famous who was in the diplomat. She was also
in the Americans. Anybody and Me? But if we google
(40:59):
dip your day, Carrie Russell, Carrie Russell, Carrie Russell, Okay,
I don't know why I said that.
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