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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
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We'll come up with a new poll question here for
hour two. I talked to Adam Sandler last night and
(00:54):
I told him I just joked, and I sent him
a text. I said, I'm becoming really, really popular because
of the movie. And then he calls me and he goes,
people are asking you about the movie. I said yes,
and he goes, Danny, these numbers are crazy. I said,
you could get one hundred million streams in a week's time,
(01:14):
so there are less than a week. And they got
forty eight million streams with that movie, and probably looking
at one hundred million streams for Happy Go More two.
And then we started talking about the highest grossing sports
movies because this is a sports movie, and I didn't
realize that The blind Side has made the most money
(01:36):
at the box office of any sports movie in history.
And then I was curious about the other sports movies,
and I realized Dylan and Back said, well, Cars, Cars one,
Cars two, Cars three animated movies are the second, third,
and fourth on that list. So it's The blind Side,
(01:58):
then it's Car and then the sequel, and then it's
the third movie, then the trilogy of Cars. As your
sports movies, who what movie is fourth on that list?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
There's different lists, but sports movies have made more than
one hundred million. The blind Side, The water Boy, Longest Yard,
Your Longest Yard, not the original. Jerry Maguire did two
hundred and seventy million, Talladega Knights did one hundred and
sixty million, Rocky four, Rocky three, Sea Biscuit did over
(02:33):
one hundred million, remember the Titans, I do. I did
not remember that doing that well at the theater one
hundred and thirty six million.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
But the Blinds. I was not a big fan of
The blind Side. You know, I love me some Sandra Bullock,
but I just, I don't know, felt a little cheesy.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I know.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
It's it's based on the extraordinary story. That's what it
says on the movie poster. Michael Orr, who was a
NFL lineman for the Ravens, and so they tell the
story of him and this family that took him in
and all of a sudden it became Hollywood. Yes, Marmon.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Also, he didn't know how to read either. Yeah, they
taught him how to read, and they taught him how
to football. What a story.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I don't know how much truth there is. I will
tell you this though. Whenever, whenever there was a possibility
we were going to talk to Michael Orr, we were
always cautioned, do not bring up the blind Side. He
does not want to talk about the blind Side. And
it feels like there's some money that didn't come his way.
And you know, maybe the family didn't play the role
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that they are projected to have played in the movie. Yes, Pauline.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, Michael Orr. I don't know the status of it now,
but about three years ago there was a lawsuit going
on with the family and a lot of murky details
about it. A couple more movies that made over one
hundred million dollars, well over a million dollar Baby two
hundred and sixteen million.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
That's a bad movie. Really, Yes, you.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Know what's funny. It got so overhyped. When I saw it,
I was a lightly disappointed.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Well, okay, she gets injured because Clint Eastwood, I guess,
keeps the chair that the boxer sits in the corner
and then she I don't know. That just bothered me.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
But if that doesn't happen, it really changes them.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
It does.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Mean it's just per feight.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
It does, it does. She falls down and probably gets back.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Wins the fight. Yeah, a league of their own one
hundred and thirty two million. Back in the nineties, Creed,
the Creed movies have crushed one hundred and seventy three million.
Dodgeball made one hundred and sixty seven million. Great film,
isn't that amazing film?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
It's not a film. But if how many of these
movies would you say of films and how many are movies.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Well, like high end. Remember The Titans is somewhat of
a not serious movie, but it's well respected.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Film ish.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
A million Dollar Baby got a lot of nomination and
that's film ish. Yes, the First Rocky made one hundred
and seventeen million in nineteen seventy six. That's a film
that and it got nominated. Okay, all right, here's a
tough one Blades of Glory. I'm saying film No, that's
a that's a that's a hockey one more of a
seabiscuit got a lot of good reviews. That made one
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hundred and.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Forty blades of glory is Will Ferrell and John Heater, Yes, okay,
definitely fun Okay, um, all right, so I have I'm
in two movies on the list there.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
How about Jerry Maguire. That's considered a good movie?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah it is? That is that's a good movie. Film like, yeah,
good actors. Now, how do they do it with streams?
Because Happy Gilmore Happy Gilmore made I think forty million
at the box office, but Happy Gilmore two is gonna
have one hundred million streams. But I don't know what
that means with the box office when it comes to
(06:02):
movies that you stream as opposed to what you make
when you go to the theater.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, Pauling, Yeah, it's hard to find those numbers of
most stream movies of twenty twenty five. They knew it
week by week. But Netflix is just building more credibility
with more customers.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, but I'm already over a billion dollars I mean
on box office gold in the movies that I've been
in with Sandler. Yeah, they've made over a billion dollars.
I don't know how many actors can say they've been
in movies that have made over a billion dollars they've
contributed that I've been involved in. I mean, when you
look at what is the constant there? You know, Sandler, Me,
(06:42):
maybe David Spade, maybe Rob Schneider. But they weren't in
this movie. Spade not in it, Schneider not in it.
The King of Queens he wasn't in it, but I was, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Hey, the Burster Bubble, Yeah, I Schneider wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
He's in happyre He's.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
A happy gim wore too.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Did he do the line you can do it? I
don't want to.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Spoil it for you.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Huh. Yes, he did okay, all right, spoil all right,
all right, no worries. But I were invited to Madison
Square Garden. Sandler is going to play the garden and
he's going to do his stand up act at the
garden when September what yes, So he he he called
(07:31):
me last night and we talked a little bit about
the movie and then he said that he's going on
the road thirty seven dates, that he's going to be
on the road and he's going to play Madison Square Garden.
He said, you know, invite everybody, Danny, invite the dan Euts.
And so you guys are getting an invitation to watch
Sandler do his stand up act. Yes, point, I've got
(07:52):
that as September fifteenth. It feels like a school night.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
It is a Monday.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Oh okay, can he change it?
Speaker 6 (08:00):
You know, we'll fire up the New York City studio again.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I'll say, dust it off.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
That was convenient when we go to the city and
then you'll be like, all right, we don't have to
drive two hours to get back home at midnight or
one in the morning.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
Tuesday NYC show No Problem train right after the show Monday.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Ooh dinner perfect, go see Sandman.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Yes, Marv Sandler's at Mohegan Sun September twenty sixth, which
is a Friday.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
We can do that. Well, Okay, do you want to
see Sandler in the garden or do you want to
see Sandler at a casino in Connecticut on a Friday night? Todd,
I'll start with you.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
I would, for convenience go to the Friday night.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Okay, all right, Seaton Garden all day, all day garden.
I mean when you perform in the garden.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Heck, yeah, dude, it's Madison Square Gardens. Adam Sandler, definitely.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
It's like when Hooty and the Blowfish played the Garden
and this is when they got back together. And I remember,
and Darius goes, are you going to get on stage?
I said, are you kidding me? I'm going to say
that I played the garden. So I got on stage
and I was playing the bongos like my life depended on. Yes,
(09:14):
see that.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
Bill Burr tells a story about the I think it
was the first time he was playing Madison Square Garden.
I think this is story, so I might get it wrong,
but he was playing Madison Square Garden and he was like,
holy crap. I can't believe that I'm doing this. So
he brought in a drum set and got like a
bunch of instruments for his buddies, so that then he
could say that they played Madison Square Guard. He's a
big drummer, you know, he loves to play the drums.
(09:35):
So he brought during his sound check, he brought him
and his buddies out there and they just jammed in
Madison Square Garden to be like, look look at what
we're doing right now.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
How sick is this? Which is awesome. That's exactly what
you should do. That's what I did. He of course,
I'm getting up there. I'm going to play cow bell.
Whatever I'm grabbing something, I'm going to play the garden bell. Yeah,
Mark mal cowbell. Fritzie's going to the casino, Marvin Garden
(10:04):
or the casino for Sandler. Oh, the garden, all right.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Paul Garden, New York City Special Night.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah. He was really excited when I talked to him
last night about that. He's like Danny playing the Garden.
And I mean anybody who plays the Garden, I don't care,
you know, if you're a comedian, if you're a singer,
a band playing the garden. That's still big. You play
the garden, Yeah, Pauling.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
The last time you took is to see Sandler. He
plays a guitar. You tell stories. I'm paraphrasy. He told
his story about taking his kids skiing and how he's
trying to put the boots on him and he's sweating
and he can't get it together and he's screaming, I'm
Adam Sandler. Don't I have people to do this? And
the crowd just ate it up. They ate it up.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, these little vignettes that he sings about, it's funny.
And he's really talented as a guitar player, so that'll
be fun. DraftKings just sent me this the Coach of
the Year on. It's Coach Todd. I'll start with you.
Who has the best odds to be the coach of
(11:05):
the year this year in the NFL?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Sean Payton.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Seton, Jim Harbaugh, Marvin Zach Taylor, Paul dan Quinn, Mike Rabel,
Ben Johnson.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
You know what, the odds makers must have watched sports
in Foxborough.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
They get the magic too. It's something special is happening.
There's no other sport that looks better in slow motion
than football. Nope, so Mike Rabel, then Ben Johnson, Liam Cohen,
Aaron Glenn, Pete Carroll, Dave Canalis, Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh.
(11:48):
That's according to DraftKings sneaking A couple of phone calls
in here. Uh John in North Carolina? Good morning, John,
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 8 (11:57):
Good morning? I was calling in about the Chargers update
and all that that we're talking about. A long time listener,
by the way, very big Sanny Houston's ASPN. But I
don't know if anybody has checked, but the stats between
Herbert and Peyton Manning's first five years are very similar.
(12:18):
And if anybody, I'm sure Fritzy or PAULI or anybody
can look it up. But the second year that Peyton
Manning ended up with Tony Dungee, they were in the
AFC Championship game. This is his second year with Jim Harball.
I'm hoping that they end up in the playoffs.
Speaker 9 (12:39):
All right.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
We like Justin Herbert, we like Jim Harbaugh. I mean,
it be a great story. Those Colts teams though, when
when Dungee was there, that defense they had some when
you had Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, I mean those book
ends who but he had receivers there, he had a
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tight end there, Dallas Clark was there, you got edge running.
I don't know if they were all there at that time,
but it kind of hit at the right time because
they had a talented roster in Indianapolis. Not this year though, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
That front office may have been as good during that
run as anybody drafting Dallas Clark, a guy that injuries
took away his career. Bob Sanders, Yeah, he was going
to be up there. Maybe not ed Ree, Troy Palomalo,
but he was second tier. He was defensive player of
the Year at one point in the league.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, he just he played bigger than he was and
it caught up to him. His body just didn't stand
up to that. But yeah, Colts, that was talented roster. Yeah,
that was one of those where you're kind of looking
at the Patriots and you're looking at the Colts. Colts
couldn't get back past them. But you know, that was
(13:55):
a New England team that led with their defense, and
that was a great defensive team. Now all three levels.
They were a great defensive team and won Super Bowls
because of that defense. All right, we'll take a break.
More phone calls coming up. Ian Rappaport, NFL Network insider,
he'll stop by right after this Dan Patrick Show.
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NFL Networks. Inside Training Camp airs daily through August sixth,
and Ian joins us. Now, when's the last time you
visited a camp and you got either one of those
oh my gosh positive or oh my gosh negative feeling.
Speaker 12 (15:45):
I've had some.
Speaker 13 (15:46):
I've had some overly positive ones, I think, you know,
especially for some of the places that have like really
struggled the last couple of years. Like you know, I
was just at the Chiefs and it looks I mean,
the practice was so good.
Speaker 12 (15:58):
It was tough and.
Speaker 13 (15:58):
Tense, but it was so good, and mahomes looked awesome.
But you're sort of like, all right, like that's what
you expect. It was like a good reminder of why
the Chiefs are in the super Bowl basically every year,
But then you go a couple other places and you
can be like, all right, I can see if they're.
Speaker 12 (16:16):
Going to have a big turnaround.
Speaker 13 (16:17):
Like why Like I was at the Titans and you
see Cam Moore, you watch him throw a little bit,
you gain an understanding for why teammates and coaches love
him to work as it and all that stuff, and
I left there being like, I don't know how many
times they're going to win this year, Like maybe it's
like six or seven, I don't know, but I can
really see how the rebuild would start now. And so
(16:40):
like that's sort of what you get, you know, rather
than like, all right, this team's going to win the
super Bowl because like the really good teams, they kind
of look just normal to you.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
You know, what do you think of the Broncos that
they felt like they surprise people? And I know you're
just going there now, But now we expect Bonicks to
be a playoff caliber quarterback. We know Sean Payton's all
Hall of Fame coach, but the expectation level like the
Commanders as well, that second year we saw this with
the Texans. You know, what is it you feel like
(17:12):
when you think of the Broncos going into what can
is considered like the second year of this turnaround.
Speaker 13 (17:20):
Yeah, I mean it's definitely going to get harder. Schedule
will get harder, expectations will get more. I think people
know what to expect a bon Knicks now. I think
last year, like I would be in that list of like,
is bon Nicks going.
Speaker 12 (17:34):
To be a.
Speaker 13 (17:36):
Franchise starting quarterback in the NFL? Like I really wasn't sure.
Speaker 12 (17:40):
I really didn't know. You watch him enough last year.
Speaker 13 (17:43):
You watch, like, for instance, the plays he made in
that Bengals game late, and this guy looks legit. And
so the Broncos had no business winning that many games
last year.
Speaker 9 (17:54):
They really didn't.
Speaker 12 (17:55):
Like I thought it would be kind of like a
transition yeer like six or seven, and they were really
good and they didn't.
Speaker 13 (18:01):
Even have the personnel close to being as good as
they as the record once. And so this year, you know,
another year in the draft, another year of development, some
key free agents like you know Lufanga and green Law
Booth like love both of those. They should be good,
Like I know, the expectations are more, but they should
be more ready as an organization to be good and
(18:23):
like it was a good reminder for me and I
guess for everyone that Sean Payton is a very, very
excellent head coach.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I'm wondering about the trend. The NFL is at copycat league,
and is the trend going with younger coaches? You know,
you do have Pete Carroll. I think there's always the
possibility of Belichick or if Nick Saban wants to get
back in it, But is the trend now with that
younger guy, uh, offensive minded or you know, even in
(18:53):
Aaron Glenn's situation, defensive minded.
Speaker 13 (18:58):
Yeah, I mean that's kind of what it feels like,
or at least let me say this, if you have
a young guy that's really good, you don't hear anymore
like well he hasn't paid his dues or is he ready?
It feels more like actually kind of like the players
are treated where it's like, if you're talented enough, start
(19:18):
to make mistakes and everyone will be okay with it
because learning while doing it is better.
Speaker 12 (19:24):
Than not having that talent on the field, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 13 (19:26):
So, like, you know, there's gonna be some young coaches who,
like Liam Cohen is a great example, right, Like he's
really smart, he's really talented.
Speaker 12 (19:34):
I was in Jacksonville.
Speaker 13 (19:36):
He sounds like he has a really good vision for
what he wants it to look like and how hard it.
Speaker 12 (19:41):
Needs to be.
Speaker 13 (19:41):
And he has been trained by Sean mcvain, Todd Bowles
to guys who have done it consistently, like they should
be better this year, but like it's not gonna be
perfect because he's a young coach who hasn't done it.
So I think teams are more willing to roll with
some of the growing pains and like it's not just
you know, it's not just head coaches, right, like the
(20:04):
aufitive court name, or of a coordinator named Grant Yudinsky
who's like in his late twenties I think, and is
already in oc and ten years ago would never be.
But he's talented enough where it's like, you know what,
let's just do it.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Talking to Ian Rappaport, NFL Network Insider, part of NFL
Networks Inside Training Camp airs daily through August sixth, John
Gruden put out something where he says something about he's
on the verge of doing something coming back. I don't
know if you saw that. Is there a future for
(20:39):
John Gruden to come back in the NFL in your opinion.
Speaker 13 (20:45):
You know, there's still some legal issues that need to
be worked through of now, like if somebody wants to
hire him.
Speaker 12 (20:53):
My sense is if.
Speaker 13 (20:55):
There would be things where everybody could get together on
the legal side and figure it out and compromise or
just settle it, handle it whatever, like perhaps you know,
I'm sure there's some interest. I haven't heard any team
particularly trying to hire him as a head coach. I
did know there were some teams that thought about hiring
(21:17):
him as a coordinator, which, like, how would you you know,
would be hard to have a better hire than that
as a coordinator.
Speaker 12 (21:25):
I would say, to me, as someone who likes.
Speaker 13 (21:29):
Football content as much as football, I kind of like
him where he is, to be honest, that's just like selfish.
He's he's in a great spot. I mean, I think
it's his stuff is really good.
Speaker 12 (21:44):
But I wouldn't rule it out. I really wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
The hold ins Trey hendrickson coming back to the Bengals
means what to you?
Speaker 13 (21:54):
It means I wouldn't say they're closer to a deal,
but it's harder to not do a deal if that
makes sense, like he's there.
Speaker 12 (22:03):
And this is why I always.
Speaker 13 (22:04):
Feel just sort of like personal preference that hold ins
are more effective than holdouts.
Speaker 12 (22:09):
Holdouts to me, like I wouldn't.
Speaker 13 (22:11):
Want to get fined and give away a bunch of
money like that wouldn't be my move. But hold ins
are tough because you see them every day. The fans
see them every day at training camp. You know, do
you know how good Tree Henderson is.
Speaker 12 (22:29):
You know how good Terry McLaurin is.
Speaker 13 (22:31):
So if you're a coach, you're constantly looking at them, like, hey,
if that guy was on the field, like we would
be a lot better. And so, you know, sometimes that
can push a deal. I thought it was, you know,
the right move for both of those guys to come
in and ramp up the pressure, and I think there's
a deal to be made for both of those players,
just you know, you hope it sooner rather than later.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
And then the Micah Parsons situation as well, I just
feels like all of these deals get done. I know
we get excited, we're hungry for any content this time
of the year, but I just why do we wait?
Why do owners wait?
Speaker 13 (23:11):
Don't I don't want to say it's owners waiting. I
think for Micah Parsons.
Speaker 12 (23:15):
Everybody seems to be waiting.
Speaker 13 (23:16):
You know. I've always thought that Micah would be should
be the highest paid, like highest paid non quarterback in
the NFL the whole season, And so if that's the case,
he's got to go last.
Speaker 12 (23:30):
And he is very.
Speaker 13 (23:32):
Smart and very savvy and business wise, you know, probably
as well versed as anyone his age and so, and
his agent, David Mulligetta, is very good at educating clients
so they know if you go last, you are the
most and so my sense is he was going to
be last. I don't know if it's going to be
(23:53):
like scrambling around before kickoff like with Dak a couple
of years ago or last year whenever that was, but
my sense is it's last. And like Aiden Hutchinson, you know,
is in talks for a new deal with the Lines,
Maybe that happens and then then Micah goes.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Better run organization. The Chiefs are the Eagles.
Speaker 13 (24:17):
Similar better run I don't know. I mean, the Chiefs
have been doing it for longer, but the Eagles have
done such an unbelievable job of like it's a good
mix of keeping veterans that you want to keep, and
then letting the guys you you're okay, letting go go
and just replacing them in the draft.
Speaker 12 (24:36):
Both of those guys do an awesome job.
Speaker 13 (24:39):
Of drafting players and not needing them to play so.
Speaker 12 (24:42):
They can learn the right way.
Speaker 13 (24:44):
I don't know who's better, but this is kind of
where you want to get to, right, Like, you know,
I don't I don't pick records or predictions or whatever,
but I don't really know anyone who doesn't believe both
of those teams are gonna have double digit wins this year,
next year, the year after.
Speaker 12 (25:02):
Like that's just what it's like.
Speaker 13 (25:04):
And you know, that's an unbelievable reality, it really is.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
We go to the other end of the rainbow. The
Browns owner Jimmy Haslam came out and said, this draft
selection of Shadoor Sanders is on his GM Andrew Berry.
What did you make of that comment by the owner?
Speaker 13 (25:25):
So I understand it, and it is right, Like I
know that this was Andrew Berry's pick. I know it
was in consultation with his football people as coaches, his personnel.
Speaker 12 (25:36):
Staff, and then you know the Browns. I mean, it
sounds strange to say for because of.
Speaker 13 (25:40):
The record, but they really are a very well run
franchise despite having a quarterback Albatross and Shaun Watson in
that contract, in that situation and all that, they really
do it the right way, and the right way is
your football. People make the decisions, the owner empowers them
and gives the okay, and then you move forward. There's
two things that I didn't like about that whole situation.
(26:02):
I think one is the quote is being a little
bit taken out of context, as in like it's Andrew
Berry's blame, like he's the GM, like they're.
Speaker 12 (26:11):
All his picks. So I thought it was fine.
Speaker 13 (26:14):
I just feels like people are missing the context. The
other thing is Shaudor might be good, Like I have
no idea and I'm going to go there in a
couple of days, but we're not going to know this year.
Speaker 8 (26:25):
We may not know next year.
Speaker 13 (26:26):
So I don't really understand what it feels like people
are blaming Andrew Berry like there is a chance and
it's you know, non zero percent that Shador Sanders is
the franchise quarterback for the Browns and it's one of
the best picks they ever made in franchise history.
Speaker 12 (26:41):
That is an absolute possibility.
Speaker 13 (26:42):
He is very talented, So you know, yes it was
the GM's pick, but we don't know how it's going
to go.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, I think the one thing I wonder about, if
it's Dylan Gabriel or shaudor Sanders, is how much of
a runway the Browns will give them with two first
round picks next year. And if you know that, you
got to fight that urge of do we see enough
with Shudor or Dylan Gabriel to go let's give them
another year? Or do you go all in with the
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two first round picks and try to get you your
franchise quarterback?
Speaker 13 (27:15):
That is a that is the biggest of all the
things for the Browns this year. And I know they're
trying to win, and like the actual roster is pretty good.
I think Placco, if he starts, could be totally fine.
But that's the issue. And like I've thought about it
a ton, because like you're on the road alone, all
you do is think about these door key football things, right,
I don't it's gonna be hard because like let's say
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it's a struggle, and let's say they're kind of not ready.
All the fans are gonna care about all the talk
radio and reporters, and Cleveland is a very intense media environment.
All anyone's gonna care about is Blaine community, young guys,
and it might.
Speaker 12 (27:50):
Be it might be Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 13 (27:51):
There's a lot of people in the draft who said
if Dylan Gabriel was six to two, he'd be an
early pick, which you know, shout out to short guys
with all of them, I just I don't know how
you avoid that temptation. But that's the story of their
season for me.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
When's the last time you had a player get your
face over something you reported or said?
Speaker 12 (28:18):
It does? It almost never happens.
Speaker 13 (28:22):
Because I guess had you know a player sort of
make a snide comment, like maybe once every five years,
but you can never tell if they're joking. What I
try to do is before I do anything, I have
the conversation, Like, even though it's really fast paced, like
a lot of times, you know you sort of know
what you're gonna hit send on before you do it.
(28:43):
So I try to get to the agent or player
or the GM or the PR guy and just be like,
here's what I have, Just to have the conversation before
it goes public. So like I used to, you know,
first seven or eight years doing this, it used to
happen all the time. Now it almost never happens because
at least people know what to expect.
Speaker 12 (29:05):
When I say it on TV or when I hit
send on a tweet.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Great to catch up with you, Ian, safe travels. Thanks
for joining us.
Speaker 13 (29:13):
They got thirty nine on a three point nine more
miles so this this timing was perfect.
Speaker 12 (29:17):
Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
All right, that's Ian Rappaport, NFL Network Insider, NFL Networks
inside training camp airs every day through August sixth oh.
He's been to the Bucks, Jenks, Titans, Saints, Bears, Chiefs,
and he's got the Patriots and the Bills coming up.
You can be in camp now. When I worked in
(29:38):
New York at CNN, and I would go out to
the Jets camp and the Giants camps, and you could
get a sense it was weird. It shouldn't be something
that's tangible, but like it it felt different. You know,
the Giants were onto something with parcels.
Speaker 12 (29:55):
Now.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
The Jets did have talent. The Jets had the sack exchange,
you know, they they but it felt different there. It
felt like the Giants were professional. They knew what their
roles were. And you had Belichick or you had Bill
Parcells and Belichick as your defensive coordinator. It felt like
they knew that they were going to do something big
(30:18):
or bigger or special. The Jets were just a fascinating
group of personalities. You had Mark Gastineaux there, Joe Klecko,
one of my favorite players, Ken O'Brien, and you just
you al Tuon. You had talent there, but it's it
was just a different feeling. It's almost like the Yankees
(30:40):
and the Mets, where you can have talent, but they
just don't feel like they're the same or the same
run organization.
Speaker 13 (30:48):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
But being around Mark Gastineau had a Rolls Royce. It
was dating Brigitte Nielsen, who was did she marry Sylva
Stallone or were they? I think so they dated, Oh
my gosh, and it was it was a big deal.
Like but he was just not liked by his teammates
(31:10):
because even when I would go out there and you know,
Marty Lyons, Joe Kleco, it was at Abdul Salaam, like
these guys knew that you're kind of out there for
gas to know like they they were like here for
gas to know, and I go, well, you know, kind
of because he was a big deal and uh but yeah,
(31:31):
just to sit down with him, and he had bigger aspirations.
You know, it felt like he wanted to be this
is before Schwarzenegger, you know, one of those action heroes
that that's what he was hoping for. Yeah, Pauling, I went.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Back to double Check and Mark Gasno has not made
the Hall of Fame. And you talked about likability hurting
someone's case or behavior after your career. But he had
a five year run. He was four time first team
All Pro, four years in a row. It's hard not
to make the Hall of Fame. He had one hundred
and seven sacks and basically a five year span. His
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stats are Hall of Fame. His personality kept him out.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
It appears, well, didn't he quit the game? I think
he quit the sport? Was there were there steroid accusations
that he I want to be fair to him, but
I'm going off memory with.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I've got a couple of articles here that said he
retired a little early. He was thirty two years old.
Not sure why.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, yeah, I think Walls may have been closing in
on him.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
He had a three year run with twenty sacks, nineteen sacks,
twenty two sacks.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
It's weird that he was viewed as selfish, like your
job is to get sacks. But then it felt like
I always thought that Cleco was a better player. I
just thought Joe Klecko was sort of an Aaron Donald
type player. But Mark benefited from that that everybody else
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was doing their job, which allowed Mark to just go
after the quarterback and he did, and he did it
in you know, charismatic style. But it just felt like
he was viewed as it was the Jets and then
it was Mark Gastineau. Whether that's fair or not, but
that was always the feeling because they had other you know,
Ken O'Brien was a very quiet guy, that Freeman McNeil.
(33:26):
You know, they had a really good roster and should
have been better. Yes, Ton, I wonder how.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
Much I remember watching some of those games that his
teammates were a little tired of his act or got
them in situations where there was one time against the Rams,
I guess like a fight broke out and they were
all going after him, and it didn't look like the
Jets teammates were in any rush to pull the rams
off of him from what I saw.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, all right, let me take a break. Got more
phone calls coming up. We'll take a break. We'll update
our poll results after this.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
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Speaker 2 (34:08):
Who knew? Philip Rivers and Justin Herbert will join us
on the program. Paulie's all in on the Chargers, kind
of going to the AMC title game.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Yeah, okay, Arva always pulls it off.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Aiden in Utah, Hi, Aiden, what's on your mind?
Speaker 14 (34:28):
Heyde Beacon warned money? Uh yeah, Speaking on Paulie being
all in on the Chargers, me and Fritzy have a
part of the face bet. Don't wait Fritzy for Paulie Dewey,
We do now.
Speaker 10 (34:41):
No.
Speaker 14 (34:41):
The bet is the Broncos will places higher than the
Chargers in the a SU West. It's a two for
one if they don't mean topic out of face.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
If they do, Todd, You're you're in with Aiden in Utah.
Let's go Aiden, let's do this all right. We got
a bet Doug in North Carolina. Welcome back, Doug.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Hey.
Speaker 9 (35:06):
You never had to tell you. I was not only
entertained but absolutely fascinated by it. With your conversation yesterday
with Todd about the Beatle and although I agree with you,
I sadly think Tom is right about this issue.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Oh you got a bad phone, Doug break yeah, call back, Doug, Yeah,
call back like next week or something. Yeah. I did
hear a little bit of ground support for you that
the Beatles were overrated. I get it, But I mean,
(35:44):
I'm just telling you what the Beatles meant to music,
mean to music, and it's it's in the eye of
the beholder, the ear of the beholder. That's all. Just
telling you how they did it, what they did when
they did it. You know that's they made an impact
that will last our generation and the next generation.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yes, I don't think this is any different than not
really getting a sports figure that you weren't around for.
Like I don't know what the hubbub was about Johnny Unitas.
I didn't see him, and when I look at stat
I'm like, sixteen touchdowns? What was that about? But when
people talk about Johnny Unitas or like a young Roger
Staubach that I kind of missed they talked glowingly, or
(36:26):
Pete Marrivich, which you know, when I was a kid,
I just thought this guy scored a bunch of points?
Was he more than that? And if you didn't see
it in the phenomenon around it, you can never get it.
You can research it, but you can't get it.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, there's but I was young when the Beatles hit,
when they came over, but I just knew, you know,
when they broke up, like it was a huge deal,
like nightly news, it was a huge deal. And everything
that happened, what they did in their solo careers. You know,
we found out that George Harrison kind of the little
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brother there. He wrote some of the best songs, some
of the best songs in rock and roll history, and
he couldn't even get you know, they didn't even give
him a chance to write songs because Lennon and McCartney
were so good. And even Ringo Starr is still performing,
he's in his eighties, still performing. What he did for
(37:22):
drumming underrated, understated, But you know, I Todd and I
go back and forth on this he's locked in with
Hall and Oates and Billy Joel, and I like both
of those artists, but they don't compare to the Beatles.
Speaker 7 (37:37):
But I would add to Paul's point, and I think
he makes a very loud one also, like from your generation,
you have memories, you know, even if you were just
a young kid, there are memories that are attached to
certain music and songs. And I think that's part of
it too. That for me, like if Billy Joel and Hall,
notes would not like them as much if they came
out now as supposed to write when I was like,
you know, a young kid or a teenager. So I
(37:57):
think or if I saw them the Beatles at the
at Sullivan Show or American bands then and sybody freaking out,
maybe I would be you know, affected by things like that.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Well that's what happened with Elvis. You know, the people
who saw I didn't see Elvis. I saw Elvis later
in his career in the late sixties, and that was
the Elvis wearing the leather jacket, and he seemed like
pretty cool guy then. But I and i'd see him
in those you know, campy movies that he would be in.
But for those who were there of a different generation
(38:28):
when he happened upon the scene, you know, it's you're
Jerry Lee Lewis, You're watching Little Richard like you just
didn't see those things, and I think if you were
there in the moment, you realized just how important it was.
But I didn't get see the Beatles. They didn't tour.
You just heard the music and it was constant. But
(38:51):
I'm a huge Beatles fan. But I've read books about him.
I understand, you know, the complexities, like they made things
that were complex sounds simple, and that's really hard to
do when it comes to music. Yes, Paul, Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Another sports comp on this would be, if you're under
forty years old, what do you know about Mike Tyson?
How do you view Mike Tyson? A guy with some problems,
a guy was in the Hangover movies. But if you
were around in the mid and early eighties, the or around,
Mike Tyson is the baddest man on the planet. It
was real. I mean, he was as famous and compelling
(39:27):
as any sports figure there was. But if you missed it,
you can't soak it in later.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
Yeah, yeah, Mike Tyson was where still to this day
when people say, like, yeah, but he wasn't that great,
I'm like, and you're wrong. There's nothing that will ever
replace that in my mind of he is just the
baddest human being on the planet. But about the Beatles,
like this dude Kyle on Twitter has an interesting point
because the Beatles as a group were one thing, but
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a lot of people believe individually they made their best
music solo. So like, you know, like John Lennon's solo
career was phenomenal, Paul McCartney was. You finally got to
see who George Harrison was when he went solo, and
maybe might have been the best songwriter of all of
the more the most talented musician, you know. So they
kind of have a lot of and then Ringo of
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course has gone on to be Ringo, but you have
together there's sort of a supergroup, although at the time,
I don't know that people realize individually they were all
great as well.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yeah, like the sum of the parts, but I think
George Harrison was the one who, you know, you know,
the further we got away from the Beatles, the greater
he became. Like I thought his solo career was better
than McCartney and Lennon's just because he wrote some of
the greatest music, like songs that you go, golly, that
(40:48):
sounds like the Beatles would have crushed that. But it
was George Harrison a concert for Bangladesh. I mean, he
was involved in a lot of different things, but you know,
the poor guy's trying to get it. Hey, can I
write a song? How I got this song? While my
guitar gently weeps, My sweet lord? Could I Okay? George,
why don't you just put it over there? George, why
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don't you just leave it over there? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
come here, Yoko, roll me another joint Final Hour on
the program coming up. That's crazy. Yeah, I know, I know.
And you see the documentary and how you're writing a
song in real time. That's what I always find amazing.
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Even the Billie Jewel documentary where he said, you know,
this song came to me and I wrote it in
fifteen minutes. Keith Richards has talked about that like I
had it and I had to get it out right away,
and then they go on to be some of the
great songs ever written. Final Hour on this Wednesday, after
this
You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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We'll come up with a new poll question here for
hour two. I talked to Adam Sandler last night and
(00:54):
I told him I just joked, and I sent him
a text. I said, I'm becoming really, really popular because
of the movie. And then he calls me and he goes,
people are asking you about the movie. I said yes,
and he goes, Danny, these numbers are crazy. I said,
you could get one hundred million streams in a week's time,
(01:14):
so there are less than a week. And they got
forty eight million streams with that movie, and probably looking
at one hundred million streams for Happy Go More two.
And then we started talking about the highest grossing sports
movies because this is a sports movie, and I didn't
realize that The blind Side has made the most money
(01:36):
at the box office of any sports movie in history.
And then I was curious about the other sports movies,
and I realized Dylan and Back said, well, Cars, Cars one,
Cars two, Cars three animated movies are the second, third,
and fourth on that list. So it's The blind Side,
(01:58):
then it's Car and then the sequel, and then it's
the third movie, then the trilogy of Cars. As your
sports movies, who what movie is fourth on that list?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
There's different lists, but sports movies have made more than
one hundred million. The blind Side, The water Boy, Longest Yard,
Your Longest Yard, not the original. Jerry Maguire did two
hundred and seventy million, Talladega Knights did one hundred and
sixty million, Rocky four, Rocky three, Sea Biscuit did over
(02:33):
one hundred million, remember the Titans, I do. I did
not remember that doing that well at the theater one
hundred and thirty six million.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
But the Blinds. I was not a big fan of
The blind Side. You know, I love me some Sandra Bullock,
but I just, I don't know, felt a little cheesy.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I know.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
It's it's based on the extraordinary story. That's what it
says on the movie poster. Michael Orr, who was a
NFL lineman for the Ravens, and so they tell the
story of him and this family that took him in
and all of a sudden it became Hollywood. Yes, Marmon.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Also, he didn't know how to read either. Yeah, they
taught him how to read, and they taught him how
to football. What a story.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I don't know how much truth there is. I will
tell you this though. Whenever, whenever there was a possibility
we were going to talk to Michael Orr, we were
always cautioned, do not bring up the blind Side. He
does not want to talk about the blind Side. And
it feels like there's some money that didn't come his way.
And you know, maybe the family didn't play the role
(03:46):
that they are projected to have played in the movie. Yes, Pauline.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, Michael Orr. I don't know the status of it now,
but about three years ago there was a lawsuit going
on with the family and a lot of murky details
about it. A couple more movies that made over one
hundred million dollars, well over a million dollar Baby two
hundred and sixteen million.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
That's a bad movie. Really, Yes, you.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Know what's funny. It got so overhyped. When I saw it,
I was a lightly disappointed.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Well, okay, she gets injured because Clint Eastwood, I guess,
keeps the chair that the boxer sits in the corner
and then she I don't know. That just bothered me.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
But if that doesn't happen, it really changes them.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
It does.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Mean it's just per feight.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
It does, it does. She falls down and probably gets back.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Wins the fight. Yeah, a league of their own one
hundred and thirty two million. Back in the nineties, Creed,
the Creed movies have crushed one hundred and seventy three million.
Dodgeball made one hundred and sixty seven million. Great film,
isn't that amazing film?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
It's not a film. But if how many of these
movies would you say of films and how many are movies.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Well, like high end. Remember The Titans is somewhat of
a not serious movie, but it's well respected.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Film ish.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
A million Dollar Baby got a lot of nomination and
that's film ish. Yes, the First Rocky made one hundred
and seventeen million in nineteen seventy six. That's a film
that and it got nominated. Okay, all right, here's a
tough one Blades of Glory. I'm saying film No, that's
a that's a that's a hockey one more of a
seabiscuit got a lot of good reviews. That made one
(05:27):
hundred and.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Forty blades of glory is Will Ferrell and John Heater, Yes, okay,
definitely fun Okay, um, all right, so I have I'm
in two movies on the list there.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
How about Jerry Maguire. That's considered a good movie?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah it is? That is that's a good movie. Film like, yeah,
good actors. Now, how do they do it with streams?
Because Happy Gilmore Happy Gilmore made I think forty million
at the box office, but Happy Gilmore two is gonna
have one hundred million streams. But I don't know what
that means with the box office when it comes to
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movies that you stream as opposed to what you make
when you go to the theater.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, Pauling, Yeah, it's hard to find those numbers of
most stream movies of twenty twenty five. They knew it
week by week. But Netflix is just building more credibility
with more customers.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, but I'm already over a billion dollars I mean
on box office gold in the movies that I've been
in with Sandler. Yeah, they've made over a billion dollars.
I don't know how many actors can say they've been
in movies that have made over a billion dollars they've
contributed that I've been involved in. I mean, when you
look at what is the constant there? You know, Sandler, Me,
(06:42):
maybe David Spade, maybe Rob Schneider. But they weren't in
this movie. Spade not in it, Schneider not in it.
The King of Queens he wasn't in it, but I was, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Hey, the Burster Bubble, Yeah, I Schneider wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
He's in happyre He's.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
A happy gim wore too.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Did he do the line you can do it? I
don't want to.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Spoil it for you.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Huh. Yes, he did okay, all right, spoil all right,
all right, no worries. But I were invited to Madison
Square Garden. Sandler is going to play the garden and
he's going to do his stand up act at the
garden when September what yes, So he he he called
(07:31):
me last night and we talked a little bit about
the movie and then he said that he's going on
the road thirty seven dates, that he's going to be
on the road and he's going to play Madison Square Garden.
He said, you know, invite everybody, Danny, invite the dan Euts.
And so you guys are getting an invitation to watch
Sandler do his stand up act. Yes, point, I've got
(07:52):
that as September fifteenth. It feels like a school night.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
It is a Monday.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Oh okay, can he change it?
Speaker 6 (08:00):
You know, we'll fire up the New York City studio again.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I'll say, dust it off.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
That was convenient when we go to the city and
then you'll be like, all right, we don't have to
drive two hours to get back home at midnight or
one in the morning.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
Tuesday NYC show No Problem train right after the show Monday.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Ooh dinner perfect, go see Sandman.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Yes, Marv Sandler's at Mohegan Sun September twenty sixth, which
is a Friday.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
We can do that. Well, Okay, do you want to
see Sandler in the garden or do you want to
see Sandler at a casino in Connecticut on a Friday night? Todd,
I'll start with you.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
I would, for convenience go to the Friday night.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Okay, all right, Seaton Garden all day, all day garden.
I mean when you perform in the garden.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Heck, yeah, dude, it's Madison Square Gardens. Adam Sandler, definitely.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
It's like when Hooty and the Blowfish played the Garden
and this is when they got back together. And I remember,
and Darius goes, are you going to get on stage?
I said, are you kidding me? I'm going to say
that I played the garden. So I got on stage
and I was playing the bongos like my life depended on. Yes,
(09:14):
see that.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
Bill Burr tells a story about the I think it
was the first time he was playing Madison Square Garden.
I think this is story, so I might get it wrong,
but he was playing Madison Square Garden and he was like,
holy crap. I can't believe that I'm doing this. So
he brought in a drum set and got like a
bunch of instruments for his buddies, so that then he
could say that they played Madison Square Guard. He's a
big drummer, you know, he loves to play the drums.
(09:35):
So he brought during his sound check, he brought him
and his buddies out there and they just jammed in
Madison Square Garden to be like, look look at what
we're doing right now.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
How sick is this? Which is awesome. That's exactly what
you should do. That's what I did. He of course,
I'm getting up there. I'm going to play cow bell.
Whatever I'm grabbing something, I'm going to play the garden bell. Yeah,
Mark mal cowbell. Fritzie's going to the casino, Marvin Garden
(10:04):
or the casino for Sandler. Oh, the garden, all right.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Paul Garden, New York City Special Night.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah. He was really excited when I talked to him
last night about that. He's like Danny playing the Garden.
And I mean anybody who plays the Garden, I don't care,
you know, if you're a comedian, if you're a singer,
a band playing the garden. That's still big. You play
the garden, Yeah, Pauling.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
The last time you took is to see Sandler. He
plays a guitar. You tell stories. I'm paraphrasy. He told
his story about taking his kids skiing and how he's
trying to put the boots on him and he's sweating
and he can't get it together and he's screaming, I'm
Adam Sandler. Don't I have people to do this? And
the crowd just ate it up. They ate it up.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, these little vignettes that he sings about, it's funny.
And he's really talented as a guitar player, so that'll
be fun. DraftKings just sent me this the Coach of
the Year on. It's Coach Todd. I'll start with you.
Who has the best odds to be the coach of
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the year this year in the NFL?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Sean Payton.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Seton, Jim Harbaugh, Marvin Zach Taylor, Paul dan Quinn, Mike Rabel,
Ben Johnson.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
You know what, the odds makers must have watched sports
in Foxborough.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
They get the magic too. It's something special is happening.
There's no other sport that looks better in slow motion
than football. Nope, so Mike Rabel, then Ben Johnson, Liam Cohen,
Aaron Glenn, Pete Carroll, Dave Canalis, Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh.
(11:48):
That's according to DraftKings sneaking A couple of phone calls
in here. Uh John in North Carolina? Good morning, John,
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 8 (11:57):
Good morning? I was calling in about the Chargers update
and all that that we're talking about. A long time listener,
by the way, very big Sanny Houston's ASPN. But I
don't know if anybody has checked, but the stats between
Herbert and Peyton Manning's first five years are very similar.
(12:18):
And if anybody, I'm sure Fritzy or PAULI or anybody
can look it up. But the second year that Peyton
Manning ended up with Tony Dungee, they were in the
AFC Championship game. This is his second year with Jim Harball.
I'm hoping that they end up in the playoffs.
Speaker 9 (12:39):
All right.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
We like Justin Herbert, we like Jim Harbaugh. I mean,
it be a great story. Those Colts teams though, when
when Dungee was there, that defense they had some when
you had Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, I mean those book
ends who but he had receivers there, he had a
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tight end there, Dallas Clark was there, you got edge running.
I don't know if they were all there at that time,
but it kind of hit at the right time because
they had a talented roster in Indianapolis. Not this year though, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
That front office may have been as good during that
run as anybody drafting Dallas Clark, a guy that injuries
took away his career. Bob Sanders, Yeah, he was going
to be up there. Maybe not ed Ree, Troy Palomalo,
but he was second tier. He was defensive player of
the Year at one point in the league.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, he just he played bigger than he was and
it caught up to him. His body just didn't stand
up to that. But yeah, Colts, that was talented roster. Yeah,
that was one of those where you're kind of looking
at the Patriots and you're looking at the Colts. Colts
couldn't get back past them. But you know, that was
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a New England team that led with their defense, and
that was a great defensive team. Now all three levels.
They were a great defensive team and won Super Bowls
because of that defense. All right, we'll take a break.
More phone calls coming up. Ian Rappaport, NFL Network insider,
he'll stop by right after this Dan Patrick Show.
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Speaker 2 (15:28):
NFL Networks. Inside Training Camp airs daily through August sixth,
and Ian joins us. Now, when's the last time you
visited a camp and you got either one of those
oh my gosh positive or oh my gosh negative feeling.
Speaker 12 (15:45):
I've had some.
Speaker 13 (15:46):
I've had some overly positive ones, I think, you know,
especially for some of the places that have like really
struggled the last couple of years. Like you know, I
was just at the Chiefs and it looks I mean,
the practice was so good.
Speaker 12 (15:58):
It was tough and.
Speaker 13 (15:58):
Tense, but it was so good, and mahomes looked awesome.
But you're sort of like, all right, like that's what
you expect. It was like a good reminder of why
the Chiefs are in the super Bowl basically every year,
But then you go a couple other places and you
can be like, all right, I can see if they're.
Speaker 12 (16:16):
Going to have a big turnaround.
Speaker 13 (16:17):
Like why Like I was at the Titans and you
see Cam Moore, you watch him throw a little bit,
you gain an understanding for why teammates and coaches love
him to work as it and all that stuff, and
I left there being like, I don't know how many
times they're going to win this year, Like maybe it's
like six or seven, I don't know, but I can
really see how the rebuild would start now. And so
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like that's sort of what you get, you know, rather
than like, all right, this team's going to win the
super Bowl because like the really good teams, they kind
of look just normal to you.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
You know, what do you think of the Broncos that
they felt like they surprise people? And I know you're
just going there now, But now we expect Bonicks to
be a playoff caliber quarterback. We know Sean Payton's all
Hall of Fame coach, but the expectation level like the
Commanders as well, that second year we saw this with
the Texans. You know, what is it you feel like
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when you think of the Broncos going into what can
is considered like the second year of this turnaround.
Speaker 13 (17:20):
Yeah, I mean it's definitely going to get harder. Schedule
will get harder, expectations will get more. I think people
know what to expect a bon Knicks now. I think
last year, like I would be in that list of like,
is bon Nicks going.
Speaker 12 (17:34):
To be a.
Speaker 13 (17:36):
Franchise starting quarterback in the NFL? Like I really wasn't sure.
Speaker 12 (17:40):
I really didn't know. You watch him enough last year.
Speaker 13 (17:43):
You watch, like, for instance, the plays he made in
that Bengals game late, and this guy looks legit. And
so the Broncos had no business winning that many games
last year.
Speaker 9 (17:54):
They really didn't.
Speaker 12 (17:55):
Like I thought it would be kind of like a
transition yeer like six or seven, and they were really
good and they didn't.
Speaker 13 (18:01):
Even have the personnel close to being as good as
they as the record once. And so this year, you know,
another year in the draft, another year of development, some
key free agents like you know Lufanga and green Law
Booth like love both of those. They should be good,
Like I know, the expectations are more, but they should
be more ready as an organization to be good and
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like it was a good reminder for me and I
guess for everyone that Sean Payton is a very, very
excellent head coach.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I'm wondering about the trend. The NFL is at copycat league,
and is the trend going with younger coaches? You know,
you do have Pete Carroll. I think there's always the
possibility of Belichick or if Nick Saban wants to get
back in it, But is the trend now with that
younger guy, uh, offensive minded or you know, even in
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Aaron Glenn's situation, defensive minded.
Speaker 13 (18:58):
Yeah, I mean that's kind of what it feels like,
or at least let me say this, if you have
a young guy that's really good, you don't hear anymore
like well he hasn't paid his dues or is he ready?
It feels more like actually kind of like the players
are treated where it's like, if you're talented enough, start
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to make mistakes and everyone will be okay with it
because learning while doing it is better.
Speaker 12 (19:24):
Than not having that talent on the field, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 13 (19:26):
So, like, you know, there's gonna be some young coaches who,
like Liam Cohen is a great example, right, Like he's
really smart, he's really talented.
Speaker 12 (19:34):
I was in Jacksonville.
Speaker 13 (19:36):
He sounds like he has a really good vision for
what he wants it to look like and how hard it.
Speaker 12 (19:41):
Needs to be.
Speaker 13 (19:41):
And he has been trained by Sean mcvain, Todd Bowles
to guys who have done it consistently, like they should
be better this year, but like it's not gonna be
perfect because he's a young coach who hasn't done it.
So I think teams are more willing to roll with
some of the growing pains and like it's not just
you know, it's not just head coaches, right, like the
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aufitive court name, or of a coordinator named Grant Yudinsky
who's like in his late twenties I think, and is
already in oc and ten years ago would never be.
But he's talented enough where it's like, you know what,
let's just do it.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Talking to Ian Rappaport, NFL Network Insider, part of NFL
Networks Inside Training Camp airs daily through August sixth, John
Gruden put out something where he says something about he's
on the verge of doing something coming back. I don't
know if you saw that. Is there a future for
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John Gruden to come back in the NFL in your opinion.
Speaker 13 (20:45):
You know, there's still some legal issues that need to
be worked through of now, like if somebody wants to
hire him.
Speaker 12 (20:53):
My sense is if.
Speaker 13 (20:55):
There would be things where everybody could get together on
the legal side and figure it out and compromise or
just settle it, handle it whatever, like perhaps you know,
I'm sure there's some interest. I haven't heard any team
particularly trying to hire him as a head coach. I
did know there were some teams that thought about hiring
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him as a coordinator, which, like, how would you you know,
would be hard to have a better hire than that
as a coordinator.
Speaker 12 (21:25):
I would say, to me, as someone who likes.
Speaker 13 (21:29):
Football content as much as football, I kind of like
him where he is, to be honest, that's just like selfish.
He's he's in a great spot. I mean, I think
it's his stuff is really good.
Speaker 12 (21:44):
But I wouldn't rule it out. I really wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
The hold ins Trey hendrickson coming back to the Bengals
means what to you?
Speaker 13 (21:54):
It means I wouldn't say they're closer to a deal,
but it's harder to not do a deal if that
makes sense, like he's there.
Speaker 12 (22:03):
And this is why I always.
Speaker 13 (22:04):
Feel just sort of like personal preference that hold ins
are more effective than holdouts.
Speaker 12 (22:09):
Holdouts to me, like I wouldn't.
Speaker 13 (22:11):
Want to get fined and give away a bunch of
money like that wouldn't be my move. But hold ins
are tough because you see them every day. The fans
see them every day at training camp. You know, do
you know how good Tree Henderson is.
Speaker 12 (22:29):
You know how good Terry McLaurin is.
Speaker 13 (22:31):
So if you're a coach, you're constantly looking at them, like, hey,
if that guy was on the field, like we would
be a lot better. And so, you know, sometimes that
can push a deal. I thought it was, you know,
the right move for both of those guys to come
in and ramp up the pressure, and I think there's
a deal to be made for both of those players,
just you know, you hope it sooner rather than later.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
And then the Micah Parsons situation as well, I just
feels like all of these deals get done. I know
we get excited, we're hungry for any content this time
of the year, but I just why do we wait?
Why do owners wait?
Speaker 13 (23:11):
Don't I don't want to say it's owners waiting. I
think for Micah Parsons.
Speaker 12 (23:15):
Everybody seems to be waiting.
Speaker 13 (23:16):
You know. I've always thought that Micah would be should
be the highest paid, like highest paid non quarterback in
the NFL the whole season, And so if that's the case,
he's got to go last.
Speaker 12 (23:30):
And he is very.
Speaker 13 (23:32):
Smart and very savvy and business wise, you know, probably
as well versed as anyone his age and so, and
his agent, David Mulligetta, is very good at educating clients
so they know if you go last, you are the
most and so my sense is he was going to
be last. I don't know if it's going to be
(23:53):
like scrambling around before kickoff like with Dak a couple
of years ago or last year whenever that was, but
my sense is it's last. And like Aiden Hutchinson, you know,
is in talks for a new deal with the Lines,
Maybe that happens and then then Micah goes.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Better run organization. The Chiefs are the Eagles.
Speaker 13 (24:17):
Similar better run I don't know. I mean, the Chiefs
have been doing it for longer, but the Eagles have
done such an unbelievable job of like it's a good
mix of keeping veterans that you want to keep, and
then letting the guys you you're okay, letting go go
and just replacing them in the draft.
Speaker 12 (24:36):
Both of those guys do an awesome job.
Speaker 13 (24:39):
Of drafting players and not needing them to play so.
Speaker 12 (24:42):
They can learn the right way.
Speaker 13 (24:44):
I don't know who's better, but this is kind of
where you want to get to, right, Like, you know,
I don't I don't pick records or predictions or whatever,
but I don't really know anyone who doesn't believe both
of those teams are gonna have double digit wins this year,
next year, the year after.
Speaker 12 (25:02):
Like that's just what it's like.
Speaker 13 (25:04):
And you know, that's an unbelievable reality, it really is.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
We go to the other end of the rainbow. The
Browns owner Jimmy Haslam came out and said, this draft
selection of Shadoor Sanders is on his GM Andrew Berry.
What did you make of that comment by the owner?
Speaker 13 (25:25):
So I understand it, and it is right, Like I
know that this was Andrew Berry's pick. I know it
was in consultation with his football people as coaches, his personnel.
Speaker 12 (25:36):
Staff, and then you know the Browns. I mean, it
sounds strange to say for because of.
Speaker 13 (25:40):
The record, but they really are a very well run
franchise despite having a quarterback Albatross and Shaun Watson in
that contract, in that situation and all that, they really
do it the right way, and the right way is
your football. People make the decisions, the owner empowers them
and gives the okay, and then you move forward. There's
two things that I didn't like about that whole situation.
(26:02):
I think one is the quote is being a little
bit taken out of context, as in like it's Andrew
Berry's blame, like he's the GM, like they're.
Speaker 12 (26:11):
All his picks. So I thought it was fine.
Speaker 13 (26:14):
I just feels like people are missing the context. The
other thing is Shaudor might be good, Like I have
no idea and I'm going to go there in a
couple of days, but we're not going to know this year.
Speaker 8 (26:25):
We may not know next year.
Speaker 13 (26:26):
So I don't really understand what it feels like people
are blaming Andrew Berry like there is a chance and
it's you know, non zero percent that Shador Sanders is
the franchise quarterback for the Browns and it's one of
the best picks they ever made in franchise history.
Speaker 12 (26:41):
That is an absolute possibility.
Speaker 13 (26:42):
He is very talented, So you know, yes it was
the GM's pick, but we don't know how it's going
to go.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, I think the one thing I wonder about, if
it's Dylan Gabriel or shaudor Sanders, is how much of
a runway the Browns will give them with two first
round picks next year. And if you know that, you
got to fight that urge of do we see enough
with Shudor or Dylan Gabriel to go let's give them
another year? Or do you go all in with the
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two first round picks and try to get you your
franchise quarterback?
Speaker 13 (27:15):
That is a that is the biggest of all the
things for the Browns this year. And I know they're
trying to win, and like the actual roster is pretty good.
I think Placco, if he starts, could be totally fine.
But that's the issue. And like I've thought about it
a ton, because like you're on the road alone, all
you do is think about these door key football things, right,
I don't it's gonna be hard because like let's say
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it's a struggle, and let's say they're kind of not ready.
All the fans are gonna care about all the talk
radio and reporters, and Cleveland is a very intense media environment.
All anyone's gonna care about is Blaine community, young guys,
and it might.
Speaker 12 (27:50):
Be it might be Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 13 (27:51):
There's a lot of people in the draft who said
if Dylan Gabriel was six to two, he'd be an
early pick, which you know, shout out to short guys
with all of them, I just I don't know how
you avoid that temptation. But that's the story of their
season for me.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
When's the last time you had a player get your
face over something you reported or said?
Speaker 12 (28:18):
It does? It almost never happens.
Speaker 13 (28:22):
Because I guess had you know a player sort of
make a snide comment, like maybe once every five years,
but you can never tell if they're joking. What I
try to do is before I do anything, I have
the conversation, Like, even though it's really fast paced, like
a lot of times, you know you sort of know
what you're gonna hit send on before you do it.
(28:43):
So I try to get to the agent or player
or the GM or the PR guy and just be like,
here's what I have, Just to have the conversation before
it goes public. So like I used to, you know,
first seven or eight years doing this, it used to
happen all the time. Now it almost never happens because
at least people know what to expect.
Speaker 12 (29:05):
When I say it on TV or when I hit
send on a tweet.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Great to catch up with you, Ian, safe travels. Thanks
for joining us.
Speaker 13 (29:13):
They got thirty nine on a three point nine more
miles so this this timing was perfect.
Speaker 12 (29:17):
Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
All right, that's Ian Rappaport, NFL Network Insider, NFL Networks
inside training camp airs every day through August sixth oh.
He's been to the Bucks, Jenks, Titans, Saints, Bears, Chiefs,
and he's got the Patriots and the Bills coming up.
You can be in camp now. When I worked in
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New York at CNN, and I would go out to
the Jets camp and the Giants camps, and you could
get a sense it was weird. It shouldn't be something
that's tangible, but like it it felt different. You know,
the Giants were onto something with parcels.
Speaker 12 (29:55):
Now.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
The Jets did have talent. The Jets had the sack exchange,
you know, they they but it felt different there. It
felt like the Giants were professional. They knew what their
roles were. And you had Belichick or you had Bill
Parcells and Belichick as your defensive coordinator. It felt like
they knew that they were going to do something big
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or bigger or special. The Jets were just a fascinating
group of personalities. You had Mark Gastineaux there, Joe Klecko,
one of my favorite players, Ken O'Brien, and you just
you al Tuon. You had talent there, but it's it
was just a different feeling. It's almost like the Yankees
(30:40):
and the Mets, where you can have talent, but they
just don't feel like they're the same or the same
run organization.
Speaker 13 (30:48):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
But being around Mark Gastineau had a Rolls Royce. It
was dating Brigitte Nielsen, who was did she marry Sylva
Stallone or were they? I think so they dated, Oh
my gosh, and it was it was a big deal.
Like but he was just not liked by his teammates
(31:10):
because even when I would go out there and you know,
Marty Lyons, Joe Kleco, it was at Abdul Salaam, like
these guys knew that you're kind of out there for
gas to know like they they were like here for
gas to know, and I go, well, you know, kind
of because he was a big deal and uh but yeah,
(31:31):
just to sit down with him, and he had bigger aspirations.
You know, it felt like he wanted to be this
is before Schwarzenegger, you know, one of those action heroes
that that's what he was hoping for. Yeah, Pauling, I went.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Back to double Check and Mark Gasno has not made
the Hall of Fame. And you talked about likability hurting
someone's case or behavior after your career. But he had
a five year run. He was four time first team
All Pro, four years in a row. It's hard not
to make the Hall of Fame. He had one hundred
and seven sacks and basically a five year span. His
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stats are Hall of Fame. His personality kept him out.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
It appears, well, didn't he quit the game? I think
he quit the sport? Was there were there steroid accusations
that he I want to be fair to him, but
I'm going off memory with.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I've got a couple of articles here that said he
retired a little early. He was thirty two years old.
Not sure why.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, yeah, I think Walls may have been closing in
on him.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
He had a three year run with twenty sacks, nineteen sacks,
twenty two sacks.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
It's weird that he was viewed as selfish, like your
job is to get sacks. But then it felt like
I always thought that Cleco was a better player. I
just thought Joe Klecko was sort of an Aaron Donald
type player. But Mark benefited from that that everybody else
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was doing their job, which allowed Mark to just go
after the quarterback and he did, and he did it
in you know, charismatic style. But it just felt like
he was viewed as it was the Jets and then
it was Mark Gastineau. Whether that's fair or not, but
that was always the feeling because they had other you know,
Ken O'Brien was a very quiet guy, that Freeman McNeil.
(33:26):
You know, they had a really good roster and should
have been better. Yes, Ton, I wonder how.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
Much I remember watching some of those games that his
teammates were a little tired of his act or got
them in situations where there was one time against the Rams,
I guess like a fight broke out and they were
all going after him, and it didn't look like the
Jets teammates were in any rush to pull the rams
off of him from what I saw.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, all right, let me take a break. Got more
phone calls coming up. We'll take a break. We'll update
our poll results after this.
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Speaker 2 (34:08):
Who knew? Philip Rivers and Justin Herbert will join us
on the program. Paulie's all in on the Chargers, kind
of going to the AMC title game.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Yeah, okay, Arva always pulls it off.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Aiden in Utah, Hi, Aiden, what's on your mind?
Speaker 14 (34:28):
Heyde Beacon warned money? Uh yeah, Speaking on Paulie being
all in on the Chargers, me and Fritzy have a
part of the face bet. Don't wait Fritzy for Paulie Dewey,
We do now.
Speaker 10 (34:41):
No.
Speaker 14 (34:41):
The bet is the Broncos will places higher than the
Chargers in the a SU West. It's a two for
one if they don't mean topic out of face.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
If they do, Todd, You're you're in with Aiden in Utah.
Let's go Aiden, let's do this all right. We got
a bet Doug in North Carolina. Welcome back, Doug.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Hey.
Speaker 9 (35:06):
You never had to tell you. I was not only
entertained but absolutely fascinated by it. With your conversation yesterday
with Todd about the Beatle and although I agree with you,
I sadly think Tom is right about this issue.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Oh you got a bad phone, Doug break yeah, call back, Doug, Yeah,
call back like next week or something. Yeah. I did
hear a little bit of ground support for you that
the Beatles were overrated. I get it, But I mean,
(35:44):
I'm just telling you what the Beatles meant to music,
mean to music, and it's it's in the eye of
the beholder, the ear of the beholder. That's all. Just
telling you how they did it, what they did when
they did it. You know that's they made an impact
that will last our generation and the next generation.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yes, I don't think this is any different than not
really getting a sports figure that you weren't around for.
Like I don't know what the hubbub was about Johnny Unitas.
I didn't see him, and when I look at stat
I'm like, sixteen touchdowns? What was that about? But when
people talk about Johnny Unitas or like a young Roger
Staubach that I kind of missed they talked glowingly, or
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Pete Marrivich, which you know, when I was a kid,
I just thought this guy scored a bunch of points?
Was he more than that? And if you didn't see
it in the phenomenon around it, you can never get it.
You can research it, but you can't get it.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, there's but I was young when the Beatles hit,
when they came over, but I just knew, you know,
when they broke up, like it was a huge deal,
like nightly news, it was a huge deal. And everything
that happened, what they did in their solo careers. You know,
we found out that George Harrison kind of the little
(37:00):
brother there. He wrote some of the best songs, some
of the best songs in rock and roll history, and
he couldn't even get you know, they didn't even give
him a chance to write songs because Lennon and McCartney
were so good. And even Ringo Starr is still performing,
he's in his eighties, still performing. What he did for
(37:22):
drumming underrated, understated, But you know, I Todd and I
go back and forth on this he's locked in with
Hall and Oates and Billy Joel, and I like both
of those artists, but they don't compare to the Beatles.
Speaker 7 (37:37):
But I would add to Paul's point, and I think
he makes a very loud one also, like from your generation,
you have memories, you know, even if you were just
a young kid, there are memories that are attached to
certain music and songs. And I think that's part of
it too. That for me, like if Billy Joel and Hall,
notes would not like them as much if they came
out now as supposed to write when I was like,
you know, a young kid or a teenager. So I
(37:57):
think or if I saw them the Beatles at the
at Sullivan Show or American bands then and sybody freaking out,
maybe I would be you know, affected by things like that.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Well that's what happened with Elvis. You know, the people
who saw I didn't see Elvis. I saw Elvis later
in his career in the late sixties, and that was
the Elvis wearing the leather jacket, and he seemed like
pretty cool guy then. But I and i'd see him
in those you know, campy movies that he would be in.
But for those who were there of a different generation
(38:28):
when he happened upon the scene, you know, it's you're
Jerry Lee Lewis, You're watching Little Richard like you just
didn't see those things, and I think if you were
there in the moment, you realized just how important it was.
But I didn't get see the Beatles. They didn't tour.
You just heard the music and it was constant. But
(38:51):
I'm a huge Beatles fan. But I've read books about him.
I understand, you know, the complexities, like they made things
that were complex sounds simple, and that's really hard to
do when it comes to music. Yes, Paul, Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Another sports comp on this would be, if you're under
forty years old, what do you know about Mike Tyson?
How do you view Mike Tyson? A guy with some problems,
a guy was in the Hangover movies. But if you
were around in the mid and early eighties, the or around,
Mike Tyson is the baddest man on the planet. It
was real. I mean, he was as famous and compelling
(39:27):
as any sports figure there was. But if you missed it,
you can't soak it in later.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
Yeah, yeah, Mike Tyson was where still to this day
when people say, like, yeah, but he wasn't that great,
I'm like, and you're wrong. There's nothing that will ever
replace that in my mind of he is just the
baddest human being on the planet. But about the Beatles,
like this dude Kyle on Twitter has an interesting point
because the Beatles as a group were one thing, but
(39:54):
a lot of people believe individually they made their best
music solo. So like, you know, like John Lennon's solo
career was phenomenal, Paul McCartney was. You finally got to
see who George Harrison was when he went solo, and
maybe might have been the best songwriter of all of
the more the most talented musician, you know. So they
kind of have a lot of and then Ringo of
(40:15):
course has gone on to be Ringo, but you have
together there's sort of a supergroup, although at the time,
I don't know that people realize individually they were all
great as well.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yeah, like the sum of the parts, but I think
George Harrison was the one who, you know, you know,
the further we got away from the Beatles, the greater
he became. Like I thought his solo career was better
than McCartney and Lennon's just because he wrote some of
the greatest music, like songs that you go, golly, that
(40:48):
sounds like the Beatles would have crushed that. But it
was George Harrison a concert for Bangladesh. I mean, he
was involved in a lot of different things, but you know,
the poor guy's trying to get it. Hey, can I
write a song? How I got this song? While my
guitar gently weeps, My sweet lord? Could I Okay? George,
why don't you just put it over there? George, why
(41:11):
don't you just leave it over there? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
come here, Yoko, roll me another joint Final Hour on
the program coming up. That's crazy. Yeah, I know, I know.
And you see the documentary and how you're writing a
song in real time. That's what I always find amazing.
(41:32):
Even the Billie Jewel documentary where he said, you know,
this song came to me and I wrote it in
fifteen minutes. Keith Richards has talked about that like I
had it and I had to get it out right away,
and then they go on to be some of the
great songs ever written. Final Hour on this Wednesday, after
this
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