June 26, 2024 • 41 mins
Ross Tucker, in for Dan Patrick, breaks down the reasons why taxpayers, rather than owners, are asked to foot the bill for new NFL stadiums. ESPN NBA Draft Analyst Jonathan Givony joins Ross to tell us what to expect from the first round of the NBA Draft. Plus, a major coaching controversy bubbles up between Texas and Texas A&M!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Two on a wide body Wednesday. Ross Tucker, the former
NFL offensive lineman journeyman five teams in seven years, a
long time ago. What a cool temp job in my twenties,
by the way, because it enabled me to get a
chance to hang out with Pauli, Fritz, the Seaton and
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Marv every once in a while and get on the
air with Dan almost every week. I would say, during
the NFL season, which is always a blast. Never fails
to surprise me when I'm in an airport and someone
will say I'm a big fan, and I'll say, well,
oh that's cool. What do you listen to? What do
you watch? Dan Patrick Show? Dan Patrick Show? You guys
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evidently have some people that listen to the show based
on airport or maybe or maybe you're just big at airports.
I don't know. Here's what we got. We got Jonathan.
I'm gonna get it right this time. Jonathan Givony, well done.
The ESPN NBA Draft analyst is going to join us
in about twenty minutes. He's gonna tell us who the
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heck these guys are. I mean, because we don't know
a whole lot about and we prove that last hour.
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lot of NBA talk in the first hour. We're gonna
get some more NBA talk with Givoni. Next segment, we've
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got to talk about this text A and M baseball
coach who called out a reporter, and then the next
day leaves for Texas the exact question that the reporter
was asking about next hour, we'll have Vince will Fork,
one of the toughest guys I ever had to block,
whether it was in a game or in practice, former
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nose tackle with the Patriots. He's got a great partnership
gone with Jason Kelcey and Kingsford. I just watched their
video during the break. It is hilarious seeing both those
guys and overalls together dancing while they're grilling. It'd be
fun to talk to Vince next hour, but I think
we should make Let's start with some NFL this hour.
We talked obviously last hour a lot about the NBA
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draft and about the Nick's trade for McHale bridges from
the nets. We'll get more into that again with Devoni.
Next segment kind of went under the radar a little bit,
maybe by design, but both the Jaguars and the Panthers
are getting hundreds of millions of dollars from their respective
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municipalities city of Jacksonville slash Duval County, Charlotte, and I
think it was six hundred I saw one report six
hundred fifty million, another eight hundred million for the Panthers.
The Jaguars it's one point four billion. But they're putting
some of that money up. I guess I just want
to go around the room real quick. When I tell
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you this, Fertsie, what's your immediate reaction when I tell
you about those hundreds of millions of dollars going from
taxpayers to help build these stadiums or rebuild these stadiums.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I was very surprised because even though Trevor Lawrence has
a lot of promise in Jacksonville has been good, and
I just those two teams right now, especially Carolina, I'm
surprised with so many families are just trying to get
cheerios on the table that they're going to put money
towards some kind of multimillion dollars stadium for a product
that's not good and may not be good for a while.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Okay, so the word you used is surprise that then
you as you went, I almost heard some frustration. Is
that fair?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I think the average taxpayer? But I guess obviously they
voted for it. I would be someone unless I'm doing
very well financially, and even if I wasn't, like, why
am I giving part of my hotter and money?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Well, that's interesting, by the way, because they did not
vote for it. So there are some cities like Kansas City,
where it's on the vote and they have a vote
and it's a public thing. There are other situations like
both of these, where the city council makes the decision
and the ten councilmen, council woman, they vote for it.
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It was seven to three in Charlotte. I think only
one person was against it. In Jacksonville. Pabaly might have
more detail.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Yeah, the Jacksonville City console vote at fourteen to one
a one point four billion dollar renovation of Everbanks Stadium.
It's they're gonna split it six hundred and plus million
each the owner and then the taxpayer. I guess my
reaction would be, like, what's wrong with the stadium?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
As is?
Speaker 4 (05:15):
You go to the football stadium, you park, you go in,
you eat, you watch the game, you go home eight
times a year. I know you got to keep up
with every other team and have the triple sized jumbo
tron and the more suites, but it doesn't seem like
a necessity to improve your football stadium. I know the
other option is tearing it down ability another a new one,
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which cost twice as much, But I don't know. I
don't see that I don't know if the fans are
that desirous of game day improvements.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
So your reaction is one of like confusion almost.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Im just like, I'm fine with how the stadium is
eight times a year.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, but don't you think if you're so. That's what's
interesting to me about this. If you're one of the
fans that goes to the stadium, you probably think it's
it's it's kind of a dump, right. You probably think
it's been thirty some years now. I mean both these
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teams were expansion franchise is what ninety six ninety five,
So you probably think it's been thirty years. It would
really be nice if they had more bathrooms or better
this or that. To me, it's not about the fans.
It's about the people that aren't fans that have to
pay for it, right, Like the fans. If you think
about the tax right, everybody, the millions of people or
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hundreds of thus people are getting taxed basically at the
same rate. Right. So the fans actually go to the game,
they're winning out on it because they actually derive the
benefit from it. It's the people that have no interest
in football whatsoever that I think have a gripe Seaton.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
Well, like that's sort of that's sort of the tech
that you pay for being part of society, right, Like children, say,
people who have no kids, their tax money still goes
to public education because it's for the greater good. Right, So,
when you live in you don't take advantage necessarily of
all of the things that your immediate area offers. However,
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when it's done for the good of the greater community,
it's something that we all share in, right. Yes, So
if I say I take public transportation every day, but
I don't use the roads because I don't drive my car,
my taxes still go towards making sure the roads are
taken care of.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Right.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
I get that an NFL team is different than that,
but it's still in some way is a benefit to
the greater community in some respect.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Marve, what was your reaction. I'm definitely surprised. Now. Can
I ask a question about stadiums in general? Sure?
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Are we more likely now like back in the day
those stadiums used to be open for forty to fifty years.
Is it because they don't want to build a new
stadium completely or do you just want to kind of
keep it as is for the next forty years and
make it like lambeau Field or something like that.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
It seems like thirty years is like the shelf life
now and then you either get a new one or
you renovate. Like these these two teams are seating.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
I think to Paul's point, if the I mean I
haven't kept up with Arrowhead and all of the renovations
they've done over how was that saying fifty years old?
Maybe I don't even know. At least it's got to
be at least fifty years old, right, But the team
is good. Yeah, I don't hear anybody saying, man, you
know what, Sure, it would be nice if the stadium
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was a little better.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Though.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
They're just counting rings and they're like, holy crap, we
have this awesome team. We have Patrick Mahomes, we have
Travis Kelty, we have all of these guys. We're absolutely
killing it. But stadium kind of stinks, I do, you
know what I mean? So, like there's the Carolina Panthers.
To me is almost like not that it's a band aid,
but it's like, hey, while we the team isn't great,
but getting a new stadium.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Yeah, I agree with a seat and saying look, at this,
not this. Look at our jumbo tron and look at
our pool that the fans can sit in or our
extra suites. All I really care about when I go
to a football game is there access to tailgating at
a certain amount of time before the game, and if
the team's good in the atmosphere is great for the fans.
You know, I've been to a Chiefs game and it's awesome,
and I don't really remember the stadium. I really don't
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remember what it was like. I remember the game was awesome.
I've been to a Packer game as a Bears fan.
I was like, this place is awesome, and it didn't
have any amenities that I can remember, but it was
easy to get a brought worst and the tailgate was expansive.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, but even like they got to have great Wi Fi.
Like that's that's thirty years ago. That was seriously thirty
years ago, that was not a thing. Okay, now something
like that would be very important to people. You've been
to Cowboys Stadium before, right, Yeah? We the whole group
was the day Nats went to Cowboys Stadium. It was
probably eleven years ago. It was for a college football game.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
I think like Alabama, Michigan or something, and I was like, Oh,
this place would be unbelievable. I heard it's like this unbelievable.
The jumbo tron is way too big. It's totally distracting
from the game. They made it way too big, especially
if you're sitting up high. It's totally distracting from the
live event on the field. And then they have these
recessed lower level suites that are behind the players. You
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could see nothing of the football game. I'm sure they
look cool when they're drawn up by somebody, but they're
they're behind the where the players are standing. They're recessed
down and low. They're fun if you want to drink
and eat and not watch football.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
So a couple a couple thoughts. Number one, you said, PAULI, Well,
it's only for eight times a year. I think, if
you like. From what I read, a big part of
stadium renovations is trying to get more events.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
You're right about that. I'm reading about the Jacksonville Jaguars.
They want to make some retractable top more weather friendly,
more fan coverage for weather events, to attract more college
football games, possibly a super Bowl again.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
But even even like the the Catlina Panthers. I don't
know if Charlotte was on Taylor Swift's tour or not. Like,
I don't know if they were one of the cities
she went to. You how much money it brings to
a city when like Taylor Swift comes for a weekend
or any of these events. That's why when people get
all up in arms with public money going towards these stadiums.
(11:17):
I actually took at least one class, believe it or not,
at Prince and NDA class about this about like it
was the only sports related class I remember. But you
can read You could read a whole book and all
it says in the book is research as to how
stadiums and sports teams do not bring any extra revenue
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to a city. And then I could I read another
book that said the exact opposite and had stat after
stat after stat about the hotels, the restaurants. This is
not revenue that you'd be getting otherwise. It's just like
anything else. It's fascinating that you can read different viewpoints.
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But I would just say there's absolutely a benefit to
having these other events and having people get downtown and
spend their money on hotels and restaurants, absolutely a benefit.
Not only that. I'll say one other thing. How often
do you guys say the words San Diego on this
show with the Chargers, No, just San Diego, Just the
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word san Diego, the city san Diego. How often on
this show do you say Saint Louis or Oakland? The
reality is, when you lose an NFL team, it's almost
like you've diluted the brand of the city a little bit.
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I mean, we used to talk about the San Diego
Chargers a lot, San Diego Super Chargers, San Diego Chargers,
or like or Arnold Schwarzenegger go Chajas go unbelievable. Now,
when would you talk about San Diego if the Padres
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did something really good? Okay, when the Athletics moved to
Las Vegas. When will you ever mention the city of
Oakland on this show? If you lose an NFL team,
you lose some identity for the city. You lose like
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some branding for the city. It's almost like every you
think about the ratings, right, you see that rating, and
I mean you watch a game and it is whatever
the Jacksonville Jaguars. I gotta be honest with you, I
had never heard of the city of Jacksonville till they
got the Jaguars. That was nineteen ninety five. I was
sixteen years old. I had never heard of the city
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of Jacksonville until they got the Jaguars in nineteen ninety five. Fritzy, Yeah,
just like you.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
But you seem to become less relevant and less special
in some way if you had a team and lost it.
I guess it would also go the other way, where
if you were kind of off the map. Now, oh,
I guess the city. I should take notice of this city.
They got a team that must be pretty important. They've
got pro team or teams.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Now I can give an example of this. My favorite
team I played for out of the five was the
Buffalo Bills. Okay, people would not talk or know about
Buffalo if they didn't have the Bills. That having the
Bills gives Buffalo and people from Western New York and identity.
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I can't tell you how many Bills fans I've met
over the years that are just so thankful and appreciative
that they have a team because they know that that
keeps them on the map internationally.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Marv Green Bay, Wisconsin's in that same category. I would
never know about Green Bay, Wisconsin if it wasn't for
the Packers never.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I think, I guess the question is, if you're a city,
what is that worth to you? What are you willing
to pay for the identity of being an NFL city?
Speaker 4 (15:10):
And the days, yeah, the days of people threatening to
move a team don't seem to be that common. But
if you go back to the Seattle Super top Sonics
years ago, the basketball team, they were a pretty popular team.
They were well liked, they were John Camp, Gary Payton, Yeah,
I mean they love them. They had Kevin Durant as
a rookie. And then there's some people in town flinched
and there's a lot of different reports of who did what,
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and they were going to go anyway, but Oklahoma c
SE took them and look at Oklahoma City. Oklahoma City
is a great exam relevant.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Now, there was only one other reason you would know
Oklahoma City, and it's not a good reason. Not a
good reason seton.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
So, like I guess, just to play Devil's advocate, how
many times has anybody here gone to Green Bay that
wasn't work related?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Never? So how does that help? I? Well, there's I
think there's well, first of all. I do think some
people go to cities, maybe not Green Bay.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
How many times have begne to Oklahoma City that wasn't
work related?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Well never?
Speaker 5 (16:08):
Right, So all of this benefit of like it's great
that you've heard of them now, but you're not doing
anything about it. Well do you're not doing anything for
the city. That's like, you know what, now that the
packers are there, I might off season take my family
to go see Green Bay or like to go just
see the general area.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I think it doesn't do anything. I think, first of all,
I think it's internal more than external. I think it's
the identity of the residents that live there.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
And that's different though than what we've just been talking
about about how I would have never even known that
city existed, right.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
But also the flip side is we do go there
for work sometimes, and we do spend money there and
go there for work and tell people I'm going to
Green Bay to call the packers rams Monday Night with
Kevin Harland or whatever, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
So the percentage of people that do that versus the
percentage of people now that have heard of the city
but still don't go there, it's probably what ninety.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I guess that's an interesting question. Do you care whether
or not people have heard of your city, like it
is their value to feeling like you know, I'll tell
you this much. People knew a lot more about Hartford
when they had the Whalers. When you guys had the Whalers,
people would say, I'm from eastern Pennsylvania. You knew about
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the Hartford Whalers. The Flyers are playing the Hartford Whalers.
The Whalers are in Hartford. Now after the Whalers left,
Nobody ever, and I know you guys live here, but
I'm just being honest, nobody ever talks about Hartford at all,
not once ever. I haven't heard Hartford in decades.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
See Right, So I live in Hartford, right, And I
definitely understand how crushing it was to the city that
the Whalers left. There's absolutely no doubt about that. Even
just the threat of Dan Hurley leaving Yukon was like,
oh my god, what are the bars going to do
downtown for those games?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Right?
Speaker 5 (17:57):
But at the same time, you know, the insurance in
history runs through Hartford, Right, that's trillions of dollars. It's
a massive industry in Hartford. Is still one of the
poorest cities in the country. So just because you have
massive money and massive industry running through a city doesn't
mean it actually helps the city at all.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Eight seven seven to three DP show is the number
a lot of people looking to get in on this topic,
which is awesome, or the NBA Draft as well. We're
gonna pivot back to the NBA Draft. It's tonight. If
you didn't realize that there, I bet you there's a
bunch of people that got in their cars this morning
and did not even realize tonight with the NBA Draft,
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Well it is. And Jonathan Givoni is the man for ESPN,
their NBA Draft analyst. He'll join us to figure out
who some of these guys are that we should be
aware of heading into tonight's draft. Twenty minutes past the
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Speaker 2 (19:47):
We're about halfway through here on a wide body Wednesday
edition of the Dan Patrick Show. Last day for me,
unfortunately filling in in the big chair for Dan. You
guys have been awesome, whether it's calling or the social
media and interaction, it's been phenomenal, greatly appreciated. Let's get
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into the NBA Draft. We got some stuff to say
in about twenty minutes about this baseball coach who called
out a reporter after TECHSA and m lost asking him
about Texas job. And he went to Texas the next day.
So I'll have a lot to say about this Schlosnagel
character in about twenty minutes, but for now we're going
(20:30):
to talk NBA Draft with Jonathan Jonathan Gavoni, who's awesome,
awesome draft analyst for ESPN he started and his co
owner of draftexpress dot com. He's gonna be part of
ESPN's cover to the NBA Draft tonight starting at seven
thirty Eastern, as well as the ABC broadcast, which kicks
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off at eight. He'll also contribute to the Round two
coverage to the draft on Thursday that tips off at
four pm on ESPN. Jonathan, it's Ross Tucker filming it
for Dan. I really appreciate the time. I guess I
gottas just start with this, man. Who are these guys,
Like the first couple guys that are supposed to get drafted,
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Who are these guys? I don't know anything about them.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
Hey, Ross, first of all, thanks for having me. It's
going to be an awesome day today. So I hope
everybody's as excited as me about this draft. It's so nice.
We're going to do it twice today and tomorrow, which
is fantastic. But I mean, this is the landscape of
the basketball world. It's not just about the United States anymore.
It's an international game. Most of the best players in
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the world are international, so it shouldn't come as any
surprise to anyone that the top two picks in the
draft are in all likelihood going to be international players.
Zachary resa Che a six foot ten small forward who
plays for j l Borg, drawing some comparisons to guys
like Brandon Miller Trey Murphy. You know, outstanding shooter, made
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thirty nine percent of his threes this year, has an
elite field for the game. Outstanding defender on top of that,
guards everyone from one through four. He's the favorite to
go number one. He's been the favorite all year. He's
been ranked number one on our big Board all season long.
Number two another French player, seven foot one, Alex Sar.
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He has maybe the most unique backstory of any prospect
in this draft. He moved when he was fourteen years
old to Spain to play for Real Madrid, and then
he went to Overtime Elite in Atlanta, and he spent
this past season in Perth, Australia with the NBL Nextstar Program.
So I mean two incredibly gifted nineteen year olds, probably
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known more for their defense right now than their offense,
but I have are very productive on both ends of
the floor. So it's an exciting night for France. Number
one pick Victor win Benyama last year, and this is
just going to be some of them we're going to
see over and over again. And the talent level coming
out of France is off the charts right now.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
So why is that what's going on in France? Is
this like the Tony Parker effect? What's going on in
France that there's this many good players that are better
than any Americans?
Speaker 8 (23:20):
Well, France is the most ethnically diverse country in Europe.
Huge you know, populations of people with Senegalese Conglese, Guadaloop
Ivory Coast descent. It's the same thing that we're seeing
on the French soccer team. They're ranked number two in
the world. I've spent a lot of time in France
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over the last twenty years, and every time I step
into a gym, you know, for you know, a youth
level game, I mean, just the talent and physical talent
is incredible. There's so much size and length and athleticism
and the infrastructure has really caught up, the coaching has
caught up, and we're really seeing French teams make more
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of an investment in playing these guys at a younger age.
Now they saw what, you know, Victor Winn Banyama leading
his team to the finals a year ago, billau Kool
Body playing starting starting at point guard in the finals
after barely playing the first half of the season. So
I think, you know, basketball is very popular in France
in no small part due to Tony Parker, but also
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Nick Batoom, Rudy Gobert, Avon Fournier, you know, Boris Diao.
So it's you know, it's been a great legacy of
French players and it's only going to get stronger and
stronger now that they have the number one prospect in
the world who's playing in the NBA right now, Victor
Winn Vanyama, a future MVP.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
We're talking with Jonathan Givoni, who does a terrific job
as you can tell, studying these guys for the NBA draft.
Those first two guys you mentioned, Jonathan, are they like
immediate impact guys? Are they developmental guys for three five
years from now? What do you envision their NBA pass being.
Speaker 8 (25:06):
I think they're both ready to play right away. They're
high level role players who can step on an NBA
court and impact the game defensively first and foremost. Zachary
reisa Che played at an exceptionally high level of basketball
this year. His team made the finals of the euro Cup.
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They made the semi finals of the French Playoffs. He
was the leading player for them. They were the best
defensive team in both of the leagues that he competed in,
and he was their best defender. When you know, the
six foot ten guy, when they needed to get a stop,
they would put him on a point guard. So that's
going to translate to the NBA right away, and his
instincts are going to translate too. He's an outstanding passer,
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he's a great cutter. He's just the game comes very
easily for him, and he can shoot the ball at
a very high level. So every team in the NBA
is looking for that. Alex aar the same thing. He
led the Australian NBA, which is a very strong league,
in block percentage this season, so he's going to come
in ready to impact the game on that end right away.
He also made quite a few threes. He's very good
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pushing the ball off the defensive lass. He's got a
short roll, he's an excellent pick and roll finisher. So
you know a guy with those kind of physical attributes,
who can who already has you know, the ability to
impact the game on the defensive end. I mean, any
team that drafts him, most likely Washington is going to
slot him in right away and give him the runway
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to develop his into his full potential.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
All right, what about some of the guys I have
heard of Jonathan, Guys like Donovan Klingen, Zach Edy, Stephen Castle,
Reed Shepherd one of those guys likely to hear their
names called what do they project to be in the NBA?
Speaker 8 (26:50):
Well, it feels like the draft really starts at three
because Houston within win now mode. They acquired this pick
in a trade from Brooklyn and they're on a pathway
to making the playoffs here. So the big question that
teams have is are they going to keep this pick?
Are they going to trade it for a more of
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a ready made contributors. If they do trade it, we're
expecting that somebody will be moving up to get Donovan
Klingen a number three. Donovan Klingen is the best rimp
protector in this draft. He had a huge impact on
Yukon winning the National championship on both ends of the floor.
He was an offensive hub for Yukon. He's a very
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good operating out a handoff. He's a very good screener.
He's a very good pass out of short rolls. He's
an offensive rebounder, he's draws fouls, he plays incredibly hard.
Donovan Cleanon can play in an NBA game tonight. So
there's a lot of interest in him, especially among teams
like Memphis who have.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
The ninth pick.
Speaker 8 (27:50):
For example, Portland at seven, which is considered to be
his floor. If he slides Oklahoma City at twelve, kind
of a sleeper, they really need another big bodied guy,
and you know is clinging that guy. Could it be
Zach Edie with the twelfth pick. So a lot of
permutations that will really change the complexion of how this
(28:11):
night goes. So I would pay very close attention to
what happens with the number three pick if Houston keeps it.
Most NBA teams are expecting them to draft Reed Shepherd
from Kentucky. He's the best shooter in this draft. He
made fifty two percent of his threes this year. No
player has done that in college basketball. No first round
pick has done that since nineteen eighty nine Glenn Rice
(28:32):
at Michigan, So just shows you the type of shooter
that he is. He also has a great feel for
the game. He makes the game easy for teammates. He
can play on the ball, he can play off the ball.
So it's you know, it's an exciting group, but not
the same type of star power that you normally expect
to see at the top of the draft, but high
level role players who are ready to make an impact
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in the NBA from day one.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
What did the trade the Bridge's trade last night from
the Nets to the Knicks and five first round picks,
What did that do to the draft in your mind,
if anything? And what does it mean for the Knicks
in the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 8 (29:10):
Well, the Knicks have the twenty fourth, twenty fifth, and
thirty eighth picks in this draft, and I think they
went from possibly being in the market to trade one
or two of those picks to probably keeping all three
of them and rostering those players and maybe asking those
players to play a real role for them. Because you
bring Nick cal Bridges on at his salary, you re
(29:32):
sign og and Unobi. All of a sudden, you are
firmly in the luxury tax and you need to find
cheap contributors on a cost controlled rookie scale contract who
are ready to play rotation minutes from day one. Now
we know Tom Thibodeau not a huge fan of rookies.
He's going to play Josh Hart forty eight minutes if
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it's up to him. But I think that the Nick
saw the way that the playoffs went for them this spring.
These guys were at a gap by the time they
reached Game seven of the playoffs against the Indiana Pacers.
They need to, you know, widen their rotation and find
ways to get to the finish line in better shape physically.
(30:14):
And so I think that a big man is a
strong possibility, either at twenty four or twenty five. Whoever,
the best available center is maybe a guy like khalil Ware,
for example, from Indiana. So and then I think that
they're going to look at older players, you know, twenty
five and thirty eight. Maybe someone like Terence Shannon, who
was one of the best players in college basketball this
(30:35):
year and is a very good defender and he's made
thirty six percent of his threes and means out standing
in transition. Guys like that, I think are going to
be in vogue, not just for the Knicks, but for
all of these playoff teams. Everybody needs to find guys
who can play right now because of the way that
they change the luxury tax rules with the second Apron,
It's never been more important to draft well and to
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have guys play for cheap.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Last minute here, Jonathan. If Bronnie james last name was different,
if he was Bronnie Papps and Paulie Papps was his dad,
would he get drafted and where would he get drafted?
Speaker 8 (31:16):
It's a tough question to answer because a lot of them.
Makes Bronnie James interesting is the fact that he's got
incredible genetics. We've seen second generation players far exceed expectations
in the NBA in a way that most people could
not imagine. Jalen Brunson is a great example. Steph Curry there,
I mean, the list goes on and on, and so
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the reason why Bronni James could be good is because
he's been around this game his entire life. He knows
how to play the game, he knows how to play
with other good players. He brings high level intensity on
every possession. Defensively, he's unselfish, He's a good three point shooter.
He's explosive, and so somebody's going to possibly draft him
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tomorrow for what he could become in three to five
years from now.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Now.
Speaker 8 (32:04):
The Lakers are very intrigued with him, and it doesn't
hurt that his last name is indeed James, and drafting
him gives you a better chance of keeping Lebron in
Los Angeles. That's not a given. They're willing to give
him a guaranteed contract, a real roster spot, which you
don't normally expect to see at that point in the draft.
So that's if it wasn't an associated with the Lakers,
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his whole pathway would have been different. He would have
done twenty workouts. He only did two, and a lot
of that is because they want him to play for
the Lakers. It's a great situation for him.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Thank you, Jonathan, really appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (32:40):
Thanks for having me there.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
He is Jonathan Givoni. He's gonna be part of ESPN's
coverage to the NBA Draft tonight starting at seven thirty
pm Eastern. It'll be on ABC as well, and then
Round two, the Brownie Knight is four pm tomorrow on ESPN.
We're gonna transition a little little bit away from the
NBA because there's a guy I've never met him before,
(33:06):
but I would really like to punch him in the face.
And I'll tell you about it when we return forty
minutes past the hour here on the Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAPP.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
I will get back to the NBA Draft talk, NBA trades,
NBA free agency, all that stuff a little bit more
at the top of the hour, but right now I
need to tell you why the name schloss Nagel will
live on in infamy in College Station, Texas forever. In fact,
(33:47):
you know what, Polly, why don't you lay out the
timeline for this schloss Nagel character.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
I want you to keep calm. You figuredly want to
punch him in the face, right, Not literally.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
No, I mean probably literally, but like you have, it's
not a waiver if whole thing.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
So Monday morning, kind of a surprise the Texas Longhorns
baseball program. They fired their head coach.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
There were some details behind it. You could look them up.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
It's not pretty, but it was a surprise opening that
the Texas Longhorns baseball job is a pristine top job
in college baseball. Texas Longhorns had lots of dough, very
big program. Everyone was speculating during the day that the
College World Series which was on Monday night Tennessee versus
A and M, the winning coach gets the Texas job.
That just suddenly came up, and that was just speculation.
(34:31):
So Monday night, Tennessee in the close game, beats A
and M to win the College Baseball World Series and
their head coach, Jim Schlossnegel, very successful at A and
M the past few years, very successful before that at
TCU and other stops. Longtime TCU head coach was interviewed
after the game, and of course one of the reporters,
(34:51):
with the Texas job being open, decided to ask him
about his status with the team.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
And that reporter his name is Richard Zane of techsags
dot com. And here was the response from Schloshnagel, starting
with the question from Richard.
Speaker 9 (35:10):
Zane, coach with respect to the difficult outcome tonight, but
with the rumor circulating today about a specific job opening,
what you have to say about your future and agulant.
Speaker 10 (35:21):
Yeah, I mean, I think he's pretty selfish of you
to ask me that question, to be honest with you,
but I left my family to be the coach at
Texas A and M. I took the job at Texas
A and M to never take another job again. And
that hasn't changed in my mind. And that's unfair to
(35:43):
talk about something like that. They'd be like you asking
Montgomery if he's gonna sign in the draft.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
But I understand you got to ask the question.
Speaker 10 (35:49):
But I gave up a big part of my life
to come take this job, and I've poured every ounce
of my soul in this job, and I've given this
job every single ounce I can possibly give it to
write that.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
And then he stormed off right after that. That, by
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Speaker 2 (36:31):
Twenty hours after that, I think it might have been
less than twenty hours, but twenty hours after that, he
was named the head coach of Texas. Here's my thought
on this. I don't care at all that this guy
left A and M for Texas. More power to him.
(36:51):
Why would he say to the reporter that it was
selfish of him to ask that question? In hindsight, it
was obviously and very clearly a clairvoyant, real word look
it up, bam question by Richard Zayne. It's way more
(37:11):
interesting than asking him, how do you feel about losing
the National championship game to Tennessee? Like I feel bad?
He'd already asked that question. There were reports that day already.
I think it's so strange that he went out of
his way to try and demean this reporter, who, by
the way, I'll just say this sounds very young. I
(37:31):
don't know how old Richard Zayne is, but he sounds
very young. And Schloshnagel's no spring Chicken. So for this
man in his fifties, I'm gonna guests to demean this
young man who seems like he's in his twenties because
he respectfully asked him the right question. It makes me sick.
I don't care about college baseball at all. Except for now.
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I'm rooting against the Texas Longhorns in every baseball game
they play as long as schloss Nagel is there a coach.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Unbelievable, Fritzy, what if schlas Nagel would have used the
word insensitive or you'd still have a big problem. But
instead of selfish, like can we just lost and we're
trying to process this here? We worked very hard and
we came up short. We had a one game to
I think lead lost the last two. You know you're
asking me about other jobs that we just lost them.
Yeagg he's coach right now.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
Seaton, Well, I have many problems with it because it's
It's one of the most mind boggling things I've ever
seen from a coach. But he says in there, I
think that's a really selfish question for you to ask
dot dot dot. I mean, I know you have to
ask it, do dot But he just said, I know
you have to ask it. If you have to ask it,
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then how is it selfish? It's not self serving in
any way if you have to ask this. I get
that you have to ask this, So I'm going to
be respectful is the way that that should go. But
how can you claim it selfish while also having to
do it?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
You know what? My initial it's a great point. He
literally contraded himself within twin twenty five seconds. When I
see this, if I'm the Texas AD, and evidently they're
friends because the text AD was the TCU AD when
schloss Nagel was the TCU head coach. But I gotta
(39:18):
be honest with you. If I'm the Texas AD, my
initial reaction, if I'm thinking I'm going to hire this
guy the next day, is like, wait, am I sure
I want to do this? Why would he call that
reporter selfish? Why would he contradict himself within twenty minutes?
Why would he? And honestly, this isn't just hindsight, but
it comes across as methinks he doth protest too much Shakespeare.
(39:43):
Look it up, bamp PAULI.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Yeah, it's a bit surreal and bizarre by Schlasnagel because
let's say he didn't speak to anyone from Texas or
his agent didn't speak to anyone from Texas because his
parent Knight's game, he had no interest or hadn't been
broached by the Texas, which is hard to believe by
the way. It's hard to believe by saying that you're
setting yourself up to stay at A and M. It's
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a great cut. If you stay at A and M,
you look like you're all in on the program. He's
got to know that he's got the Texas job is open,
he's aware his friend runs Texas Sports and that he's
probably gonna have the tires kicked on him the next day.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
You know, It's just it was way too He already
knew he was going head or had had an idea
that that was a possibility.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
Correct, And why go so scorched earth? Why not just
go you know what, I'm here to talk about the game.
I'm here to talk about the game and be a
disservice to talk about anything else.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
That's It would have been so easy to say, I'm
not talking about anything other than the game that just happened.
He must have some type of history with this reporter.
I just don't get it, Fritzy, And.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
What exactly is selfish? He's suggesting that report is trying
to make a name for himself. He's gonna get the
big scoop, he's gonna.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Well, in fairness, we are talking about Richard Stane. But
he's the one that made him. He's the one that
made him famous. He's the one that I just think,
if I'm Texas, that would have this would have actually
given me pause about hiring the guy. It would have
given me some pause. By the way, I don't know
if we can find out. I am fascinated to know
(41:10):
how much like a top baseball coach gets, or how
much schloss Nagels getting from the Longhorns. I have no idea.
You could give me like a million dollar range and
I might still not be surprised. We'll talk about at
the top of the hour. And we got Vince will Fork,
the man
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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by the way, because it enabled me to get a
chance to hang out with Pauli, Fritz, the Seaton and
(00:26):
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you watch? Dan Patrick Show? Dan Patrick Show? You guys
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I don't know. Here's what we got. We got Jonathan.
I'm gonna get it right this time. Jonathan Givony, well done.
The ESPN NBA Draft analyst is going to join us
in about twenty minutes. He's gonna tell us who the
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get some more NBA talk with Givoni. Next segment, we've
(02:15):
got to talk about this text A and M baseball
coach who called out a reporter, and then the next
day leaves for Texas the exact question that the reporter
was asking about next hour, we'll have Vince will Fork,
one of the toughest guys I ever had to block,
whether it was in a game or in practice, former
(02:36):
nose tackle with the Patriots. He's got a great partnership
gone with Jason Kelcey and Kingsford. I just watched their
video during the break. It is hilarious seeing both those
guys and overalls together dancing while they're grilling. It'd be
fun to talk to Vince next hour, but I think
we should make Let's start with some NFL this hour.
We talked obviously last hour a lot about the NBA
(02:59):
draft and about the Nick's trade for McHale bridges from
the nets. We'll get more into that again with Devoni.
Next segment kind of went under the radar a little bit,
maybe by design, but both the Jaguars and the Panthers
are getting hundreds of millions of dollars from their respective
(03:23):
municipalities city of Jacksonville slash Duval County, Charlotte, and I
think it was six hundred I saw one report six
hundred fifty million, another eight hundred million for the Panthers.
The Jaguars it's one point four billion. But they're putting
some of that money up. I guess I just want
to go around the room real quick. When I tell
(03:43):
you this, Fertsie, what's your immediate reaction when I tell
you about those hundreds of millions of dollars going from
taxpayers to help build these stadiums or rebuild these stadiums.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I was very surprised because even though Trevor Lawrence has
a lot of promise in Jacksonville has been good, and
I just those two teams right now, especially Carolina, I'm
surprised with so many families are just trying to get
cheerios on the table that they're going to put money
towards some kind of multimillion dollars stadium for a product
that's not good and may not be good for a while.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Okay, so the word you used is surprise that then
you as you went, I almost heard some frustration. Is
that fair?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I think the average taxpayer? But I guess obviously they
voted for it. I would be someone unless I'm doing
very well financially, and even if I wasn't, like, why
am I giving part of my hotter and money?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Well, that's interesting, by the way, because they did not
vote for it. So there are some cities like Kansas City,
where it's on the vote and they have a vote
and it's a public thing. There are other situations like
both of these, where the city council makes the decision
and the ten councilmen, council woman, they vote for it.
(04:52):
It was seven to three in Charlotte. I think only
one person was against it. In Jacksonville. Pabaly might have
more detail.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Yeah, the Jacksonville City console vote at fourteen to one
a one point four billion dollar renovation of Everbanks Stadium.
It's they're gonna split it six hundred and plus million
each the owner and then the taxpayer. I guess my
reaction would be, like, what's wrong with the stadium?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
As is?
Speaker 4 (05:15):
You go to the football stadium, you park, you go in,
you eat, you watch the game, you go home eight
times a year. I know you got to keep up
with every other team and have the triple sized jumbo
tron and the more suites, but it doesn't seem like
a necessity to improve your football stadium. I know the
other option is tearing it down ability another a new one,
(05:35):
which cost twice as much, But I don't know. I
don't see that I don't know if the fans are
that desirous of game day improvements.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
So your reaction is one of like confusion almost.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Im just like, I'm fine with how the stadium is
eight times a year.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, but don't you think if you're so. That's what's
interesting to me about this. If you're one of the
fans that goes to the stadium, you probably think it's
it's it's kind of a dump, right. You probably think
it's been thirty some years now. I mean both these
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teams were expansion franchise is what ninety six ninety five,
So you probably think it's been thirty years. It would
really be nice if they had more bathrooms or better
this or that. To me, it's not about the fans.
It's about the people that aren't fans that have to
pay for it, right, Like the fans. If you think
about the tax right, everybody, the millions of people or
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hundreds of thus people are getting taxed basically at the
same rate. Right. So the fans actually go to the game,
they're winning out on it because they actually derive the
benefit from it. It's the people that have no interest
in football whatsoever that I think have a gripe Seaton.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
Well, like that's sort of that's sort of the tech
that you pay for being part of society, right, Like children, say,
people who have no kids, their tax money still goes
to public education because it's for the greater good. Right, So,
when you live in you don't take advantage necessarily of
all of the things that your immediate area offers. However,
(07:17):
when it's done for the good of the greater community,
it's something that we all share in, right. Yes, So
if I say I take public transportation every day, but
I don't use the roads because I don't drive my car,
my taxes still go towards making sure the roads are
taken care of.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Right.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
I get that an NFL team is different than that,
but it's still in some way is a benefit to
the greater community in some respect.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Marve, what was your reaction. I'm definitely surprised. Now. Can
I ask a question about stadiums in general? Sure?
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Are we more likely now like back in the day
those stadiums used to be open for forty to fifty years.
Is it because they don't want to build a new
stadium completely or do you just want to kind of
keep it as is for the next forty years and
make it like lambeau Field or something like that.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
It seems like thirty years is like the shelf life
now and then you either get a new one or
you renovate. Like these these two teams are seating.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
I think to Paul's point, if the I mean I
haven't kept up with Arrowhead and all of the renovations
they've done over how was that saying fifty years old?
Maybe I don't even know. At least it's got to
be at least fifty years old, right, But the team
is good. Yeah, I don't hear anybody saying, man, you
know what, Sure, it would be nice if the stadium
(08:39):
was a little better.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Though.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
They're just counting rings and they're like, holy crap, we
have this awesome team. We have Patrick Mahomes, we have
Travis Kelty, we have all of these guys. We're absolutely
killing it. But stadium kind of stinks, I do, you
know what I mean? So, like there's the Carolina Panthers.
To me is almost like not that it's a band aid,
but it's like, hey, while we the team isn't great,
but getting a new stadium.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Yeah, I agree with a seat and saying look, at this,
not this. Look at our jumbo tron and look at
our pool that the fans can sit in or our
extra suites. All I really care about when I go
to a football game is there access to tailgating at
a certain amount of time before the game, and if
the team's good in the atmosphere is great for the fans.
You know, I've been to a Chiefs game and it's awesome,
and I don't really remember the stadium. I really don't
(09:23):
remember what it was like. I remember the game was awesome.
I've been to a Packer game as a Bears fan.
I was like, this place is awesome, and it didn't
have any amenities that I can remember, but it was
easy to get a brought worst and the tailgate was expansive.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, but even like they got to have great Wi Fi.
Like that's that's thirty years ago. That was seriously thirty
years ago, that was not a thing. Okay, now something
like that would be very important to people. You've been
to Cowboys Stadium before, right, Yeah? We the whole group
was the day Nats went to Cowboys Stadium. It was
probably eleven years ago. It was for a college football game.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
I think like Alabama, Michigan or something, and I was like, Oh,
this place would be unbelievable. I heard it's like this unbelievable.
The jumbo tron is way too big. It's totally distracting
from the game. They made it way too big, especially
if you're sitting up high. It's totally distracting from the
live event on the field. And then they have these
recessed lower level suites that are behind the players. You
(10:16):
could see nothing of the football game. I'm sure they
look cool when they're drawn up by somebody, but they're
they're behind the where the players are standing. They're recessed
down and low. They're fun if you want to drink
and eat and not watch football.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
So a couple a couple thoughts. Number one, you said, PAULI, Well,
it's only for eight times a year. I think, if
you like. From what I read, a big part of
stadium renovations is trying to get more events.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
You're right about that. I'm reading about the Jacksonville Jaguars.
They want to make some retractable top more weather friendly,
more fan coverage for weather events, to attract more college
football games, possibly a super Bowl again.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
But even even like the the Catlina Panthers. I don't
know if Charlotte was on Taylor Swift's tour or not. Like,
I don't know if they were one of the cities
she went to. You how much money it brings to
a city when like Taylor Swift comes for a weekend
or any of these events. That's why when people get
all up in arms with public money going towards these stadiums.
(11:17):
I actually took at least one class, believe it or not,
at Prince and NDA class about this about like it
was the only sports related class I remember. But you
can read You could read a whole book and all
it says in the book is research as to how
stadiums and sports teams do not bring any extra revenue
(11:41):
to a city. And then I could I read another
book that said the exact opposite and had stat after
stat after stat about the hotels, the restaurants. This is
not revenue that you'd be getting otherwise. It's just like
anything else. It's fascinating that you can read different viewpoints.
(12:02):
But I would just say there's absolutely a benefit to
having these other events and having people get downtown and
spend their money on hotels and restaurants, absolutely a benefit.
Not only that. I'll say one other thing. How often
do you guys say the words San Diego on this
show with the Chargers, No, just San Diego, Just the
(12:25):
word san Diego, the city san Diego. How often on
this show do you say Saint Louis or Oakland? The
reality is, when you lose an NFL team, it's almost
like you've diluted the brand of the city a little bit.
(12:47):
I mean, we used to talk about the San Diego
Chargers a lot, San Diego Super Chargers, San Diego Chargers,
or like or Arnold Schwarzenegger go Chajas go unbelievable. Now,
when would you talk about San Diego if the Padres
(13:10):
did something really good? Okay, when the Athletics moved to
Las Vegas. When will you ever mention the city of
Oakland on this show? If you lose an NFL team,
you lose some identity for the city. You lose like
(13:32):
some branding for the city. It's almost like every you
think about the ratings, right, you see that rating, and
I mean you watch a game and it is whatever
the Jacksonville Jaguars. I gotta be honest with you, I
had never heard of the city of Jacksonville till they
got the Jaguars. That was nineteen ninety five. I was
sixteen years old. I had never heard of the city
(13:55):
of Jacksonville until they got the Jaguars in nineteen ninety five. Fritzy, Yeah,
just like you.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
But you seem to become less relevant and less special
in some way if you had a team and lost it.
I guess it would also go the other way, where
if you were kind of off the map. Now, oh,
I guess the city. I should take notice of this city.
They got a team that must be pretty important. They've
got pro team or teams.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Now I can give an example of this. My favorite
team I played for out of the five was the
Buffalo Bills. Okay, people would not talk or know about
Buffalo if they didn't have the Bills. That having the
Bills gives Buffalo and people from Western New York and identity.
(14:35):
I can't tell you how many Bills fans I've met
over the years that are just so thankful and appreciative
that they have a team because they know that that
keeps them on the map internationally.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Marv Green Bay, Wisconsin's in that same category. I would
never know about Green Bay, Wisconsin if it wasn't for
the Packers never.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I think, I guess the question is, if you're a city,
what is that worth to you? What are you willing
to pay for the identity of being an NFL city?
Speaker 4 (15:10):
And the days, yeah, the days of people threatening to
move a team don't seem to be that common. But
if you go back to the Seattle Super top Sonics
years ago, the basketball team, they were a pretty popular team.
They were well liked, they were John Camp, Gary Payton, Yeah,
I mean they love them. They had Kevin Durant as
a rookie. And then there's some people in town flinched
and there's a lot of different reports of who did what,
(15:30):
and they were going to go anyway, but Oklahoma c
SE took them and look at Oklahoma City. Oklahoma City
is a great exam relevant.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Now, there was only one other reason you would know
Oklahoma City, and it's not a good reason. Not a
good reason seton.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
So, like I guess, just to play Devil's advocate, how
many times has anybody here gone to Green Bay that
wasn't work related?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Never? So how does that help? I? Well, there's I
think there's well, first of all. I do think some
people go to cities, maybe not Green Bay.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
How many times have begne to Oklahoma City that wasn't
work related?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Well never?
Speaker 5 (16:08):
Right, So all of this benefit of like it's great
that you've heard of them now, but you're not doing
anything about it. Well do you're not doing anything for
the city. That's like, you know what, now that the
packers are there, I might off season take my family
to go see Green Bay or like to go just
see the general area.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I think it doesn't do anything. I think, first of all,
I think it's internal more than external. I think it's
the identity of the residents that live there.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
And that's different though than what we've just been talking
about about how I would have never even known that
city existed, right.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
But also the flip side is we do go there
for work sometimes, and we do spend money there and
go there for work and tell people I'm going to
Green Bay to call the packers rams Monday Night with
Kevin Harland or whatever, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
So the percentage of people that do that versus the
percentage of people now that have heard of the city
but still don't go there, it's probably what ninety.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I guess that's an interesting question. Do you care whether
or not people have heard of your city, like it
is their value to feeling like you know, I'll tell
you this much. People knew a lot more about Hartford
when they had the Whalers. When you guys had the Whalers,
people would say, I'm from eastern Pennsylvania. You knew about
(17:24):
the Hartford Whalers. The Flyers are playing the Hartford Whalers.
The Whalers are in Hartford. Now after the Whalers left,
Nobody ever, and I know you guys live here, but
I'm just being honest, nobody ever talks about Hartford at all,
not once ever. I haven't heard Hartford in decades.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
See Right, So I live in Hartford, right, And I
definitely understand how crushing it was to the city that
the Whalers left. There's absolutely no doubt about that. Even
just the threat of Dan Hurley leaving Yukon was like,
oh my god, what are the bars going to do
downtown for those games?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Right?
Speaker 5 (17:57):
But at the same time, you know, the insurance in
history runs through Hartford, Right, that's trillions of dollars. It's
a massive industry in Hartford. Is still one of the
poorest cities in the country. So just because you have
massive money and massive industry running through a city doesn't
mean it actually helps the city at all.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Eight seven seven to three DP show is the number
a lot of people looking to get in on this topic,
which is awesome, or the NBA Draft as well. We're
gonna pivot back to the NBA Draft. It's tonight. If
you didn't realize that there, I bet you there's a
bunch of people that got in their cars this morning
and did not even realize tonight with the NBA Draft,
(18:37):
Well it is. And Jonathan Givoni is the man for ESPN,
their NBA Draft analyst. He'll join us to figure out
who some of these guys are that we should be
aware of heading into tonight's draft. Twenty minutes past the
hour here on the Dan Patrick Show.
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Speaker 2 (19:47):
We're about halfway through here on a wide body Wednesday
edition of the Dan Patrick Show. Last day for me,
unfortunately filling in in the big chair for Dan. You
guys have been awesome, whether it's calling or the social
media and interaction, it's been phenomenal, greatly appreciated. Let's get
(20:08):
into the NBA Draft. We got some stuff to say
in about twenty minutes about this baseball coach who called
out a reporter after TECHSA and m lost asking him
about Texas job. And he went to Texas the next day.
So I'll have a lot to say about this Schlosnagel
character in about twenty minutes, but for now we're going
(20:30):
to talk NBA Draft with Jonathan Jonathan Gavoni, who's awesome,
awesome draft analyst for ESPN he started and his co
owner of draftexpress dot com. He's gonna be part of
ESPN's cover to the NBA Draft tonight starting at seven
thirty Eastern, as well as the ABC broadcast, which kicks
(20:52):
off at eight. He'll also contribute to the Round two
coverage to the draft on Thursday that tips off at
four pm on ESPN. Jonathan, it's Ross Tucker filming it
for Dan. I really appreciate the time. I guess I
gottas just start with this, man. Who are these guys,
Like the first couple guys that are supposed to get drafted,
(21:13):
Who are these guys? I don't know anything about them.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
Hey, Ross, first of all, thanks for having me. It's
going to be an awesome day today. So I hope
everybody's as excited as me about this draft. It's so nice.
We're going to do it twice today and tomorrow, which
is fantastic. But I mean, this is the landscape of
the basketball world. It's not just about the United States anymore.
It's an international game. Most of the best players in
(21:41):
the world are international, so it shouldn't come as any
surprise to anyone that the top two picks in the
draft are in all likelihood going to be international players.
Zachary resa Che a six foot ten small forward who
plays for j l Borg, drawing some comparisons to guys
like Brandon Miller Trey Murphy. You know, outstanding shooter, made
(22:05):
thirty nine percent of his threes this year, has an
elite field for the game. Outstanding defender on top of that,
guards everyone from one through four. He's the favorite to
go number one. He's been the favorite all year. He's
been ranked number one on our big Board all season long.
Number two another French player, seven foot one, Alex Sar.
(22:27):
He has maybe the most unique backstory of any prospect
in this draft. He moved when he was fourteen years
old to Spain to play for Real Madrid, and then
he went to Overtime Elite in Atlanta, and he spent
this past season in Perth, Australia with the NBL Nextstar Program.
So I mean two incredibly gifted nineteen year olds, probably
(22:49):
known more for their defense right now than their offense,
but I have are very productive on both ends of
the floor. So it's an exciting night for France. Number
one pick Victor win Benyama last year, and this is
just going to be some of them we're going to
see over and over again. And the talent level coming
out of France is off the charts right now.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
So why is that what's going on in France? Is
this like the Tony Parker effect? What's going on in
France that there's this many good players that are better
than any Americans?
Speaker 8 (23:20):
Well, France is the most ethnically diverse country in Europe.
Huge you know, populations of people with Senegalese Conglese, Guadaloop
Ivory Coast descent. It's the same thing that we're seeing
on the French soccer team. They're ranked number two in
the world. I've spent a lot of time in France
(23:42):
over the last twenty years, and every time I step
into a gym, you know, for you know, a youth
level game, I mean, just the talent and physical talent
is incredible. There's so much size and length and athleticism
and the infrastructure has really caught up, the coaching has
caught up, and we're really seeing French teams make more
(24:03):
of an investment in playing these guys at a younger age.
Now they saw what, you know, Victor Winn Banyama leading
his team to the finals a year ago, billau Kool
Body playing starting starting at point guard in the finals
after barely playing the first half of the season. So
I think, you know, basketball is very popular in France
in no small part due to Tony Parker, but also
(24:24):
Nick Batoom, Rudy Gobert, Avon Fournier, you know, Boris Diao.
So it's you know, it's been a great legacy of
French players and it's only going to get stronger and
stronger now that they have the number one prospect in
the world who's playing in the NBA right now, Victor
Winn Vanyama, a future MVP.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
We're talking with Jonathan Givoni, who does a terrific job
as you can tell, studying these guys for the NBA draft.
Those first two guys you mentioned, Jonathan, are they like
immediate impact guys? Are they developmental guys for three five
years from now? What do you envision their NBA pass being.
Speaker 8 (25:06):
I think they're both ready to play right away. They're
high level role players who can step on an NBA
court and impact the game defensively first and foremost. Zachary
reisa Che played at an exceptionally high level of basketball
this year. His team made the finals of the euro Cup.
(25:26):
They made the semi finals of the French Playoffs. He
was the leading player for them. They were the best
defensive team in both of the leagues that he competed in,
and he was their best defender. When you know, the
six foot ten guy, when they needed to get a stop,
they would put him on a point guard. So that's
going to translate to the NBA right away, and his
instincts are going to translate too. He's an outstanding passer,
(25:48):
he's a great cutter. He's just the game comes very
easily for him, and he can shoot the ball at
a very high level. So every team in the NBA
is looking for that. Alex aar the same thing. He
led the Australian NBA, which is a very strong league,
in block percentage this season, so he's going to come
in ready to impact the game on that end right away.
He also made quite a few threes. He's very good
(26:09):
pushing the ball off the defensive lass. He's got a
short roll, he's an excellent pick and roll finisher. So
you know a guy with those kind of physical attributes,
who can who already has you know, the ability to
impact the game on the defensive end. I mean, any
team that drafts him, most likely Washington is going to
slot him in right away and give him the runway
(26:31):
to develop his into his full potential.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
All right, what about some of the guys I have
heard of Jonathan, Guys like Donovan Klingen, Zach Edy, Stephen Castle,
Reed Shepherd one of those guys likely to hear their
names called what do they project to be in the NBA?
Speaker 8 (26:50):
Well, it feels like the draft really starts at three
because Houston within win now mode. They acquired this pick
in a trade from Brooklyn and they're on a pathway
to making the playoffs here. So the big question that
teams have is are they going to keep this pick?
Are they going to trade it for a more of
(27:10):
a ready made contributors. If they do trade it, we're
expecting that somebody will be moving up to get Donovan
Klingen a number three. Donovan Klingen is the best rimp
protector in this draft. He had a huge impact on
Yukon winning the National championship on both ends of the floor.
He was an offensive hub for Yukon. He's a very
(27:31):
good operating out a handoff. He's a very good screener.
He's a very good pass out of short rolls. He's
an offensive rebounder, he's draws fouls, he plays incredibly hard.
Donovan Cleanon can play in an NBA game tonight. So
there's a lot of interest in him, especially among teams
like Memphis who have.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
The ninth pick.
Speaker 8 (27:50):
For example, Portland at seven, which is considered to be
his floor. If he slides Oklahoma City at twelve, kind
of a sleeper, they really need another big bodied guy,
and you know is clinging that guy. Could it be
Zach Edie with the twelfth pick. So a lot of
permutations that will really change the complexion of how this
(28:11):
night goes. So I would pay very close attention to
what happens with the number three pick if Houston keeps it.
Most NBA teams are expecting them to draft Reed Shepherd
from Kentucky. He's the best shooter in this draft. He
made fifty two percent of his threes this year. No
player has done that in college basketball. No first round
pick has done that since nineteen eighty nine Glenn Rice
(28:32):
at Michigan, So just shows you the type of shooter
that he is. He also has a great feel for
the game. He makes the game easy for teammates. He
can play on the ball, he can play off the ball.
So it's you know, it's an exciting group, but not
the same type of star power that you normally expect
to see at the top of the draft, but high
level role players who are ready to make an impact
(28:53):
in the NBA from day one.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
What did the trade the Bridge's trade last night from
the Nets to the Knicks and five first round picks,
What did that do to the draft in your mind,
if anything? And what does it mean for the Knicks
in the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 8 (29:10):
Well, the Knicks have the twenty fourth, twenty fifth, and
thirty eighth picks in this draft, and I think they
went from possibly being in the market to trade one
or two of those picks to probably keeping all three
of them and rostering those players and maybe asking those
players to play a real role for them. Because you
bring Nick cal Bridges on at his salary, you re
(29:32):
sign og and Unobi. All of a sudden, you are
firmly in the luxury tax and you need to find
cheap contributors on a cost controlled rookie scale contract who
are ready to play rotation minutes from day one. Now
we know Tom Thibodeau not a huge fan of rookies.
He's going to play Josh Hart forty eight minutes if
(29:53):
it's up to him. But I think that the Nick
saw the way that the playoffs went for them this spring.
These guys were at a gap by the time they
reached Game seven of the playoffs against the Indiana Pacers.
They need to, you know, widen their rotation and find
ways to get to the finish line in better shape physically.
(30:14):
And so I think that a big man is a
strong possibility, either at twenty four or twenty five. Whoever,
the best available center is maybe a guy like khalil Ware,
for example, from Indiana. So and then I think that
they're going to look at older players, you know, twenty
five and thirty eight. Maybe someone like Terence Shannon, who
was one of the best players in college basketball this
(30:35):
year and is a very good defender and he's made
thirty six percent of his threes and means out standing
in transition. Guys like that, I think are going to
be in vogue, not just for the Knicks, but for
all of these playoff teams. Everybody needs to find guys
who can play right now because of the way that
they change the luxury tax rules with the second Apron,
It's never been more important to draft well and to
(30:58):
have guys play for cheap.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Last minute here, Jonathan. If Bronnie james last name was different,
if he was Bronnie Papps and Paulie Papps was his dad,
would he get drafted and where would he get drafted?
Speaker 8 (31:16):
It's a tough question to answer because a lot of them.
Makes Bronnie James interesting is the fact that he's got
incredible genetics. We've seen second generation players far exceed expectations
in the NBA in a way that most people could
not imagine. Jalen Brunson is a great example. Steph Curry there,
I mean, the list goes on and on, and so
(31:38):
the reason why Bronni James could be good is because
he's been around this game his entire life. He knows
how to play the game, he knows how to play
with other good players. He brings high level intensity on
every possession. Defensively, he's unselfish, He's a good three point shooter.
He's explosive, and so somebody's going to possibly draft him
(32:00):
tomorrow for what he could become in three to five
years from now.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Now.
Speaker 8 (32:04):
The Lakers are very intrigued with him, and it doesn't
hurt that his last name is indeed James, and drafting
him gives you a better chance of keeping Lebron in
Los Angeles. That's not a given. They're willing to give
him a guaranteed contract, a real roster spot, which you
don't normally expect to see at that point in the draft.
So that's if it wasn't an associated with the Lakers,
(32:27):
his whole pathway would have been different. He would have
done twenty workouts. He only did two, and a lot
of that is because they want him to play for
the Lakers. It's a great situation for him.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Thank you, Jonathan, really appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (32:40):
Thanks for having me there.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
He is Jonathan Givoni. He's gonna be part of ESPN's
coverage to the NBA Draft tonight starting at seven thirty
pm Eastern. It'll be on ABC as well, and then
Round two, the Brownie Knight is four pm tomorrow on ESPN.
We're gonna transition a little little bit away from the
NBA because there's a guy I've never met him before,
(33:06):
but I would really like to punch him in the face.
And I'll tell you about it when we return forty
minutes past the hour here on the Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
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Speaker 2 (33:24):
I will get back to the NBA Draft talk, NBA trades,
NBA free agency, all that stuff a little bit more
at the top of the hour, but right now I
need to tell you why the name schloss Nagel will
live on in infamy in College Station, Texas forever. In fact,
(33:47):
you know what, Polly, why don't you lay out the
timeline for this schloss Nagel character.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
I want you to keep calm. You figuredly want to
punch him in the face, right, Not literally.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
No, I mean probably literally, but like you have, it's
not a waiver if whole thing.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
So Monday morning, kind of a surprise the Texas Longhorns
baseball program. They fired their head coach.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
There were some details behind it. You could look them up.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
It's not pretty, but it was a surprise opening that
the Texas Longhorns baseball job is a pristine top job
in college baseball. Texas Longhorns had lots of dough, very
big program. Everyone was speculating during the day that the
College World Series which was on Monday night Tennessee versus
A and M, the winning coach gets the Texas job.
That just suddenly came up, and that was just speculation.
(34:31):
So Monday night, Tennessee in the close game, beats A
and M to win the College Baseball World Series and
their head coach, Jim Schlossnegel, very successful at A and
M the past few years, very successful before that at
TCU and other stops. Longtime TCU head coach was interviewed
after the game, and of course one of the reporters,
(34:51):
with the Texas job being open, decided to ask him
about his status with the team.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
And that reporter his name is Richard Zane of techsags
dot com. And here was the response from Schloshnagel, starting
with the question from Richard.
Speaker 9 (35:10):
Zane, coach with respect to the difficult outcome tonight, but
with the rumor circulating today about a specific job opening,
what you have to say about your future and agulant.
Speaker 10 (35:21):
Yeah, I mean, I think he's pretty selfish of you
to ask me that question, to be honest with you,
but I left my family to be the coach at
Texas A and M. I took the job at Texas
A and M to never take another job again. And
that hasn't changed in my mind. And that's unfair to
(35:43):
talk about something like that. They'd be like you asking
Montgomery if he's gonna sign in the draft.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
But I understand you got to ask the question.
Speaker 10 (35:49):
But I gave up a big part of my life
to come take this job, and I've poured every ounce
of my soul in this job, and I've given this
job every single ounce I can possibly give it to
write that.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
And then he stormed off right after that. That, by
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Speaker 2 (36:31):
Twenty hours after that, I think it might have been
less than twenty hours, but twenty hours after that, he
was named the head coach of Texas. Here's my thought
on this. I don't care at all that this guy
left A and M for Texas. More power to him.
(36:51):
Why would he say to the reporter that it was
selfish of him to ask that question? In hindsight, it
was obviously and very clearly a clairvoyant, real word look
it up, bam question by Richard Zayne. It's way more
(37:11):
interesting than asking him, how do you feel about losing
the National championship game to Tennessee? Like I feel bad?
He'd already asked that question. There were reports that day already.
I think it's so strange that he went out of
his way to try and demean this reporter, who, by
the way, I'll just say this sounds very young. I
(37:31):
don't know how old Richard Zayne is, but he sounds
very young. And Schloshnagel's no spring Chicken. So for this
man in his fifties, I'm gonna guests to demean this
young man who seems like he's in his twenties because
he respectfully asked him the right question. It makes me sick.
I don't care about college baseball at all. Except for now.
(37:54):
I'm rooting against the Texas Longhorns in every baseball game
they play as long as schloss Nagel is there a coach.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Unbelievable, Fritzy, what if schlas Nagel would have used the
word insensitive or you'd still have a big problem. But
instead of selfish, like can we just lost and we're
trying to process this here? We worked very hard and
we came up short. We had a one game to
I think lead lost the last two. You know you're
asking me about other jobs that we just lost them.
Yeagg he's coach right now.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
Seaton, Well, I have many problems with it because it's
It's one of the most mind boggling things I've ever
seen from a coach. But he says in there, I
think that's a really selfish question for you to ask
dot dot dot. I mean, I know you have to
ask it, do dot But he just said, I know
you have to ask it. If you have to ask it,
(38:41):
then how is it selfish? It's not self serving in
any way if you have to ask this. I get
that you have to ask this, So I'm going to
be respectful is the way that that should go. But
how can you claim it selfish while also having to
do it?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
You know what? My initial it's a great point. He
literally contraded himself within twin twenty five seconds. When I
see this, if I'm the Texas AD, and evidently they're
friends because the text AD was the TCU AD when
schloss Nagel was the TCU head coach. But I gotta
(39:18):
be honest with you. If I'm the Texas AD, my
initial reaction, if I'm thinking I'm going to hire this
guy the next day, is like, wait, am I sure
I want to do this? Why would he call that
reporter selfish? Why would he contradict himself within twenty minutes?
Why would he? And honestly, this isn't just hindsight, but
it comes across as methinks he doth protest too much Shakespeare.
(39:43):
Look it up, bamp PAULI.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Yeah, it's a bit surreal and bizarre by Schlasnagel because
let's say he didn't speak to anyone from Texas or
his agent didn't speak to anyone from Texas because his
parent Knight's game, he had no interest or hadn't been
broached by the Texas, which is hard to believe by
the way. It's hard to believe by saying that you're
setting yourself up to stay at A and M. It's
(40:06):
a great cut. If you stay at A and M,
you look like you're all in on the program. He's
got to know that he's got the Texas job is open,
he's aware his friend runs Texas Sports and that he's
probably gonna have the tires kicked on him the next day.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
You know, It's just it was way too He already
knew he was going head or had had an idea
that that was a possibility.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
Correct, And why go so scorched earth? Why not just
go you know what, I'm here to talk about the game.
I'm here to talk about the game and be a
disservice to talk about anything else.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
That's It would have been so easy to say, I'm
not talking about anything other than the game that just happened.
He must have some type of history with this reporter.
I just don't get it, Fritzy, And.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
What exactly is selfish? He's suggesting that report is trying
to make a name for himself. He's gonna get the
big scoop, he's gonna.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Well, in fairness, we are talking about Richard Stane. But
he's the one that made him. He's the one that
made him famous. He's the one that I just think,
if I'm Texas, that would have this would have actually
given me pause about hiring the guy. It would have
given me some pause. By the way, I don't know
if we can find out. I am fascinated to know
(41:10):
how much like a top baseball coach gets, or how
much schloss Nagels getting from the Longhorns. I have no idea.
You could give me like a million dollar range and
I might still not be surprised. We'll talk about at
the top of the hour. And we got Vince will Fork,
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Cold Case Files: Miami
Joyce Sapp, 76; Bryan Herrera, 16; and Laurance Webb, 32—three Miami residents whose lives were stolen in brutal, unsolved homicides. Cold Case Files: Miami follows award‑winning radio host and City of Miami Police reserve officer Enrique Santos as he partners with the department’s Cold Case Homicide Unit, determined family members, and the advocates who spend their lives fighting for justice for the victims who can no longer fight for themselves.