March 13, 2025 • 40 mins
Bills quarterback Josh Allen doesn't think he needs another $5M, which makes sense to Dan. Plus, NFL insider Tom Pelissero joins Dan to discuss NFL free agency and where Aaron Rodgers could still land.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Hour two on this Thursday. Gangs al here
Ready to go. We'll hear from Josh Allen. Josh Allen
just agreed to a six year, three hundred and thirty
million dollar contract extension, which included an NFL record two
hundred and fifty million dollars in guaranteed money. We'll hear
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from Josh Allen about the contract coming up. Phone calls
are welcome eight seven to seven three DP show email
address Dpatdanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle a DP show. NFL
teams have been introducing their new players. You know a
team that quietly has had a really good off season.
Now it's been so quiet that I don't think you'll
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be able to guess the Denver Broncos have had a
really good off season. Now they've been overshadowed. The Patriots,
the Bears, the Commanders. There have been some teams that
have signed a lot of players. Denver has strengthen their
defense that quietly just quietly trying to see if they
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can match or surpass what they did last season where
they won ten games a playoff team, and I think
that they did a really nice job in the offseason.
Sometimes we get caught up in the shiny object, you know,
the one that's in the window when you're window shopping,
and they're probably in the bargain bin where they're looking
for players. And sometimes you're just trying to get the
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right player who fits what you need at the right time.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Not necessarily.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Hey, we're going to go out and I mean Evan
Ingram is not a big name, he's been around a while,
but that once again is going to help bo Nicks.
That's the important part of all of this. What's this
do for your offensive line? Defensive line, which where every
team should start. That's where success happens offensive defensive line,
because it makes everybody better. But I thought the Denver
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Broncos have done a nice job quietly. We'll talk to
Tom Pelliseru, the NFL Network insider. There's no news on
Aaron Rodgers right now, feels like and I thought by
the end of the week from what I was told
that there'd probably be a decision. Who knows with Aaron Rodgers,
is there a chance? And this is what I'm not
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told this by anybody like on the inside. As much
as it's just a conversation, I have with one of
my sources, and he said, if Pittsburgh wanted Aaron, Aaron
Rodgers wanted Pittsburgh, don't you think that would have happened already?
Is he holding out hope that Minnesota is going to go?
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Because why wouldn't Minnesota go? We're not interested in Aaron Rodgers.
That was what my source said to me yesterday. Because
if you're Minnesota, you've already told JJ McCarthy we're moving
on from Sam Darnold. If they're not quite sure, if
JJ McCarthy is going to be healthy enough, if he's
ready for the moment, or can we afford to pass
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up Aaron Rodgers. So once again, this is just no
inside information, just common sense discussing the situation. And you know,
the more I thought of it is Aaron holding out
hope that Minnesota might be able to come up with
a two year deal. I think two years is what
Aaron wants and you can fall back on Pittsburgh. Now
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here's another thing. Russell Wilson is in Cleveland today. If
I'm Cleveland, I don't let Russ out of the building.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Now you say, okay, I may not have a real
high ceiling here, But I got a guy that is
going to be out there. He's pretty durable and you know,
he's still competitive, and it helps. We're a better team
with Russell Wilson there as our quarterback. But let's say
Russ goes to Cleveland. Let's say Aaron Rodgers is waiting
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for Minnesota. I mean, there's a chance Pittsburgh gets kind
of frozen out here. Then all of a sudden, ladies
and gentlemen, you're a new Steeler quarterback, Jameis Winston. That's
not what you want, Ladies and gentlemen, Drew Locke, that's
not what you expected in Pittsburgh. If Pittsburgh wants to
be unstealer, like, you got to be aggressive. And I
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don't know if they have been, because I thought Justin
Fields was going to be their quarterback and then they
let him go to the Jets.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Now do you want Russ?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
He's right there and they don't really want him, or
they kind of want him, but they only want him
if they don't get Aaron Rodgers. But I think that's
one of those interesting situations here. And then the Giants.
Are the Giants going to get a quarterback? Even if
they do who's going to be your starting quarterback. You're
not going to get cam Ward unless you go up
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to get him. Do you want Shador Sanders? And that
might be another situation where Aaron Rodgers goes, you know what,
I don't want to leave the New York A. I'll
play with the Giants. So those are the things that
you're trying to figure this out. Kirk Cousins, I thought
was gonna end up in Cleveland, but it sounds like
the Falcons are saying, look, and I think he gets
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a ten million dollar roster bonus on Sunday. You imagine
that what that must feel like, Hey, what are we
doing today?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Hun? Well, we got that, we got soccer.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I gotta get that ten million dollar roster bonus, and
then I think we'll go to outback. Who's with me?
Cooper Cup? No suitors, nobody wanted to trade to the
Rams for Cooper Cup. So it's not that he won't
have teams that would be interested. I joke though, it's
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like one of those where you go, Damn, the Chiefs
got Cooper Cup. You know, it's one of those where
you go, they got Cooper Cup. I haven't heard his
name attached to Kansas City. But that's one of those
where they tend to get that guy, and they would
be getting that guy kind of Well, it's definitely on
the back end of his career, but not at the
back end of his career, sort of the way DeAndre
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Hopkins is. But when DeAndre Hopkins went to Kansas City,
everyboney's like they got d hop No, they got DeAndre Hopkins.
There's a big difference with d hop in twenty fifteen
and DeAndre Hopkins and now d hop is going to
the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yes, Paul Cooper.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Cup has had a very good but weird career. He's
at like nine hundred catches, but most of his notoriety
is based off that twenty twenty one season, one hundred
and forty five catches, just under two thousand yards, sixteen touchdowns.
He won a Pro he was in a Pro Bowl
First Team All Pro, won a Super Bowl Player of
the Year on offense, and Super Bowl MVP all in
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one year.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
It's the greatest receiving year of all time. I believe,
if I factor everything in regular season, postseason, probably the
greatest receiving year in NFL history. But you know this
is where it is in the NFL. Make you get
paid commensurate to what your numbers were, and then all
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of a sudden you can't live up to those numbers,
and then they cut you, and if you're not healthy,
then they let you go. So somebody can pick up
Cooper Cup, probably cheaply, and maybe he's the second receiver,
a third receiver for a team, and chances are whoever
is you know, I don't know if this is like
Carolina brought in Adam Thielen and he's in fact coming
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back for one more year. Okay, he's playing for a
team that's not very good. But I don't know if
Cooper Cup is going to find a situation like that.
But we'll talk to Tom Pelsero. He'll join us coming up,
Josh Allen contract extension, and he did a zoom call.
He didn't have to be introduced or reintroduced to the Buffalo,
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but he was asked about, uh, well, why not hold
out and get even more money than he got?
Speaker 5 (08:11):
When you start getting these fairly big numbers throughout the
entire league. You know, it's weird to say this, but
what's what's five more going to do.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
For my life?
Speaker 5 (08:20):
That I can't already do right now right, so like it,
it's not that crazy to me, right, Like, I live
a pretty good life. Got a house, got a car.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
We're good, okay, kind of house in a car. And uh.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Then he also talked a little bit further about how
much money he was making and how that would affect
the team.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
I wasn't looking to absolutely kill them in every every
chance that I could, And I told my agent that
I was like, hey, if this this has any impact
on the pack or impact on the cap, I should
say let's figure out a way to not do that.
So again, we're both sides were willing to move and
change different things, and it was a pretty pretty calm
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mannered and negotiation is what I can what I can say,
at least what I can hear on both sides.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
So it was it was good, good.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Social media reaction to this that hey, I make enough
and just pay me what you know, And a lot
of these athletes want to get paid, Like that's that's
the respect you get, Like how much how much of
the bag did you get? He got the whole bag?
You got a brainstruck But like Patrick Mahomes, you haven't
heard him say, hey, we need. I mean, Dak Prescott's
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making them money. You haven't heard him say that because
he knows what his salary means to the possible continued
success for this team. And I think it's easy to
be greedy in a situation and say I may never
be in this situation again, or why not get the
most that you can. The only position I would take
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if I was Josh Allen is what are we doing
with the money that I might be leaving on the table?
Can I be involved in those conversations? Like Tom Brady,
I don't know how much he was involved in those conversations.
He should have been involved, whether Belichick led him, but
if he's going to kind of not sacrifice money but
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he was going to defer money, then he should have
been involved in what are you doing with my money?
And Josh Allen has certainly earned that right, but came
off pretty well that Okay, I can squeeze here for
another five million dollars At that point, with that amount
of money, I know it might be well, of course
it's not a big deal to you. But he wants
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to spend the rest of his career in Buffalo and
probably will.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, Seeden the it's a.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
Crazy it's such a weird statement to make in a way,
like publicly, because it to say, what's another five million
dollars going to do for me? It makes me feel
like of two minds where you're like, well, you're bringing
pretty cavalier about five million dollars.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
And then also, man, I wish more people thought that way, you.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Know what I mean, Like I don't need you know,
if I let other people have this extra five million dollars,
even though I've already got two hundred and seventy five,
You're right, two eighty not a big deal, but five
million for all these other people would be pretty great.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
And I've never met somebody who said I got enough money.
Whoa Elon Musk has never said I got enough money,
I don't need anymore, Bill Gates or Warren Buffett. It's
it's the competitor in you. You want to now bragging,
you know, it's it's your ego. All of those things
are at play. And I understand an athlete saying I
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want everything that I can get, and you've earned that
right to do that. But also you can't say, well,
we can't build around you because you decided to take
all of that money and we are under a salary cap.
I don't know if anybody said to show heyoutani, hey
do you need to have that much money? But he
did defer everything. That was the great thing that he did.
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I don't know what one did, but you know he
got paid too. Vlad Guerrero is gonna get five hundred
million dollars crazy, crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
But if you can get it, good for you.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
It's just I always I always caution these owners to say,
really you want that guy for that amount of time?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Are people coming out to see him? Like, how do you?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
How do you get your money back? Unless you're winning
a world series like the match in Steve Cohen. Sometimes
it seems like he has no clue what he's doing,
but in business, he knows what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
But when it comes to these.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Things, they're like, you know, they're playing fantasy football, but
they're playing real life fantasy baseball and football, Like I
want that guy and that guy and that guy, and
oh you got to pay him, Okay, no big deal.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Yeah, Paulin, what stood out about the Josh Allen clip
is that he had to tell his agents not to
ask for every dollar possible because my guess is the
agent's going the opposite way. The agent wants to reset
the market and then get the next group of quarterbacks
coming out of college.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I can't imagine one of Scott Morris's clients saying, Hey, Scotty,
he's up. That ain't happening. Scott Morris is gonna twist you.
He's gonna have you under his thumb.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
That's what Scott says. No, yes, I'll do the negotiating.
You throw the ball. That's why they call me great, Scott,
I'm great the guy who does the money.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Yeah, they're not looking for bargains there. Let's see David
in Ohio. Hi, David, what's on your mind?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (13:36):
Dan, I got a couple of names for that star
NBA player rule that you guys are talking about.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
The player participation policy that was put into effect with
Laurie markten where the Utah Jazz got fined because he
was sitting out games where he was apparently healthy.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Okay, David, Yes, So my first one is the.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
No load rule, second one is the fans' first rule,
and my personal favorite is the showtime rule. Also doing
with me at pie.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Thank you, Thank you, dude.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah, we're trying to come up with something better than
the PPP for that rule that you sit out. I
just don't know how they can assess Laurie markin and
having a sore back.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
How do they?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
How do they?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
I mean, does the league check on you who rats
him out to say no, he's healthy, Because that's what happened.
He missed nine games, but then they said that he
was healthy. But he's as a former All Star now
he's under the microscope. If he didn't make an All
Star game, then they wouldn't have looked at him as
a quote unquote star player. And that's what they're trying
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to do that. If you buy tickets to a Christmas
Day game at the Utah Jazz, you want to make sure.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
What a gift Dad, Lourie Marketing? You promise remark we're
gonna see I didn't want to see I want to
see Laurie.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
How did set to miss our house this year?
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Uh? He is a really good pleasure. He is a
good player. He's a good player, but he's not that guy.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Well in Utah, maybe somebody wakes up and goes, oh,
finally tickets to see Laurie Marketing.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Pretty gonna see Walker Kessler in person.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Although isn't Walker Kessler married to Miss Universe really?
Speaker 7 (15:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:43):
All okay, so all of a sudden the last laugh, now, yeah,
every galaxy. I think Walker Kessler's maybe it's his fiance,
Maybe maybe it's his wife. I think she's Miss Universe
or Miss something. And he's a pretty good player, by
the way. He just had a statline the other day
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where he had like twenty some rebounds.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yess.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Paul Walker Kessler's girlfriend is I'm not gonna give her
name out, but she won Miss America twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Okay, hello, hello.
Speaker 8 (16:16):
At least someone on the jazz is winning.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, winning. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I was like when somebody goes and they and they
look up her picture and they go, man, she's really pretty.
Really she won Miss America. She's pretty.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Not because you played a violin really different things you got.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
And the they don't do the bikini anymore. US Americans
don't have mess.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
I was I was invited to be a judge the
Miss Universe Miss America pageant when Donald Trump ran it.
Oh boy, and I was asked, I think it was
in Russia, I think. And I had a friend who
was affiliated with this and he said, how would you
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like to judge? I think it's Miss Universe. I don't
think that I'm Miss America in Russia.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Gonna be the best Miss Universe there ever was, But
Universe I think it was. I think it was Miss Universe.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
And I was asked if I wanted to be a judge,
and I, uh, now I had to be polite, even
though I was gonna.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Go no, no, no. I found it creepy, Miss Brazil,
I said, Miss Brazil, don't cry. I wouldn't have cried.
Shan kill us abood.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Yeah, I turned down the opportunity to be a judge
in Miss Universe.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
And you regret it to this day.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
No, no, no, no, I could tell that's really you're
looking back at things. You you know, it was like
CBS Sport shouldn't have made that jug the man.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
I do regret that. I do regret that that was embarrassing.
What a pompous punk I was. Don't you mean CBS Sports?
I know I know that was unculturb Thank you too,
Sorry about that. Take a break. Any update on Aaron Rodgers.
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next hour. Tom Pelisero, NFL Network insider busy man the
last few days here, Tom, let me start with the
winners and losers. If you were picking out one team
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where you go clearly did better than everybody else, and
then if I said give me the loser, who would
you pick?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
The winners and losers are always tough because a lot
of the time, the biggest free agent signings are the
guys you see cut two years later, and some of
those value type signings are the ones that work out
the best. Look at the Eagles last year with Zach Bond,
nobody was talking about that that was as impactful as anything,
but he's had a bunch under the radar signings. I
would say I think that the teams that were active
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that certainly at least made an impact on their teams
this year. Look at the Patriots defensively, geineing Milton Williams.
They had to pay a lot to get him, but
a game record type. They're playing new defensive scheme with
Mike Vrabel. They also brought in Harold Landy who got
released by the Titans. He's got familiarity with Mike Vrabel.
Robert Spalane the linebacker, Carlton Davis the corner. I mean, again,
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you'll see, we'll see what because these are all big
money types of signings, But in terms of the instantaneous impact,
I think that you're going to see it there. I
also would say I like at least the philosophy of
what Seattle is doing, and they've got some more moves
that they're gonna need to make. But in essence, you know,
they've been going along with Geno Smith. They had he
had wanted a contract redo last year. They don't do
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that with two years left, just organizational philosophy. This year,
they came to him. They offered him a raise, they
offered him a deal. Gino didn't like it, did not
respond well to their offer. At some point they went
wait to say we can trade him for a third
round pick. And then signed Sam Darnold, who's a decade
younger coming off a Pro Bowl, for a little bit
less money. We're just gonna we're gonna do that, you know.
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And then DK Metcalf, you get, you get a second
round pick out of that deal. They're kind of rebooting,
you know, year two for Mike McDonald. What I like
about it is they were ten and seven and they
didn't go, hey, we're close, we just need it a
little bit more. Was you know what, head and seven's
not the goal. Let's try to go win a championship
with a coach who's the youngest in the league that
we think could be really special here. You know, again,
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they still need wide receiver help. We'll see if they
get some more here in the coming days as well
as through the draft. But I thought that the way
that Seattle looked at this, the way they attacked it,
I thought really said something about the focus of their
front office.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah, Denver stood out to me quietly, Chicago, did you know?
Washington did? And then you have the other end of
the spectrum, the team that made you go hmm.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Well, once again, I think that just anybody look at this,
says the Cowboys are just so generally inactive that it
just makes you wonder what's their plan. You know, obviously
they've got a new coaching staff in there. Brian Shatt
and I were getting promoted to head coach, Matt Eberflus
coming in as the defensive coordinator. We've seen them make some,
you know, relatively smaller moves. They traded yesterday for a
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couple of former high draft picks, Kenneth Murray and Kyrie Elam.
But you know, Murray ha been a fine player, but
that was a salary dump for Tennessee and Kyrie Elam
it started like twelve games over three years.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
That's kind of like the Jonathan Mingo trade they made
last year from Carolina, where you know, they give up
a fourth per a guy that they thought was a
really top wide receiver in the draft, but he hadn't
had any you know, he hadn't had a lot of productivity,
and so, you know, their biggest free agent signings at
this point. I might be forgetting somebody off the top
of my head, but you know, Javonte Williams, a running
back who I was at the game in Dallas a
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couple of years ago when he had the best gay
of his career, but he had an injury. He's not
quite at the same level of productivity. You had to
be sitting there and going when Washington's making all these moves, right.
They did it the deadline last year with the Marshall
Latimore trade. They did it with the Deebo Samuel trade.
This year, a Laramie Tunsel trade. They're going all in, said, hey,
we got to catch up to the Eagles. We're going
to cash in right now on a rookie quarterback contract
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for the Cowboys. They're locked in with Dak, they're locked
in with CD. They got to figure out the Miket thing.
And they're operating like a team whether it's right or wrong,
that doesn't have a whole lot of flexibility. And you
just wonder. I'm not saying what they're doing is wrong,
but you do wonder, Okay, what's their plan for catching
up in a really, really competitive division.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
And I don't know if this is true, though, Tom,
but it feels like Jerry Jones wants to prove how
smart they are. He is in the draft. Free agency. Okay,
I signed checks, but they don't go after free agents.
And they have done well on the draft, but I
don't know why. It's like a college coach who doesn't
believe in the transfer portal. Well, you got Dabo Sweeney
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at Clemson. He doesn't believe in the TRND, and you're like,
you better get up to speed. But Jerry is never
They've never spent money.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Who is it?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Greg Hardy is their big free agent signing a decade ago?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
That was a wild will. I saw that stat that's
the last one they signed to a contract above what
like eight million dollars per years in free agency? That
feels like a lifetime ago. And there's a whole Greg
Hardy side story we don't need to get into there.
But yeah, they've not been super active. They've been in
most cases slower to get their long term contracts done.
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And the problem with that, we see it over and
over is when you wait on these deals, all that
does is give more leverage to the player. Whether it's
because of Dak playing out a franchise tag. It's like,
why does Dak make sixty million? I see if people
say it all time, how does make Dak make sixty
Josh Allen side for fifty five. It's about leverage. Dak
played out of antized tag. They were at risking having
to tag him a second time, which they did until
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the paperwork went through, and then he played toward the
end of that deal that he had all the leverage
in this case. You know the same thing with CD
last year where Justin Jefferson resets the market. Now you're
seeing them with Micah Parsons. If the Cowboys jumped out,
you know, whether it was you know, forget about last year,
you jump out in March and just say, you know what,
we're gonna get this deal done with Micah. You know,
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you're tie probably talking about, hey, we get that about
what the Mash Crosby number was right, which is like
thirty five thirty five and a half million dollars a year.
Now Miles Garrett gets forty you know, Michael Parsons agents
are sitting there going, great, we'll still sit back and
wait and see if we get forty one. And now
you potentially have another off season where it's dominated by
what's gonna happen with Micah. You know, it will give
me the indication that they're at least open to exploring
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whether or not they would trade him. I know they've
had internal discussions about Okay, what's the right thing to
do when if you sign him for forty million plus, that's
gonna give you a super top heavy type of roster here.
It's just that's that's kind of the Cowboys way of
doing business, and I definitely understand the frustration of fans.
We're just going, what's the plan to get better again?
When you're chasing literally the Super Bowl champs who arguably
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have the best roster in football.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Tom Pellisero, NFL Network insider, the Aaron Rodgers situation. I'm
curious about this from the Minnesota standpoint, Why don't they
just come out and say we're not interested in Aaron Rodgers.
You've already said to JJ McCarthy, we're moving on from
Sam Darnold. We believe in you if you truly believe
in JJ McCarthy. Unless they do, they're curious about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Listen, if the Vikings called Aaron Rodgers today and said, hey,
what do you think about coming and playing Minnesota, Aaron
Rodgers would be off that beach with the shawl around
his shoulders and be on a plane to Minnesota instantly.
I mean, yes, that's the truth. Kevin O'Connell and Aaron
Rodgers have a relationship. They're about the same age. Believe
it or not. They are both California guys. They've known
each other for years. They talk, they text. But you
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drafted JJ McCarthy last year tenth overall with the philosophy
of exactly what I was talking about with Washington, where
you got a young guy on a cost controlled rookie contract.
You can spend all this money elsewhere, you can use
draft picks, you can go. We're going to try to
win right now by taking advantage of the fact that
we've got the quarterback on the cheap. Aaron Rodgers I
believe would come and play for not very much money
at all in Minnesota. But you're still changing the path
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for JJ McCarthy at that point. It would be different
if Sam Darnold were coming back off the year he had.
They made him an offer, Seattle offered a way more money.
He's gone, Daniel Jones, they tried to bring back. They
give themselves an option here just because JJ McCarthy is
in a very rare position where not only did he
not play as working, he didn't take a rep the
whole season, and there's no precedent for that. But once
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those two options went away, my understanding has been the
most likely scenario, highly likely, is that JJ McCarthy is
going to be the starting quarterback and they'll pursue a
backup option. Why have they not ruled it out publicly?
I would say the Vikings philosophically just don't rule anything
out publicly. Is there there are some scenario here where
I mean, think about this, Dan JJ McCarthy has a
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setback in rehab. I'm not saying he has. I'm saying
if that were to happen right in may or he
tweaks something in OTAs and Aaron's sitting out there, still
wandering in the sand, maybe you go, hey, this is
exactly the type of opportunity here, you know, And I
think that you know, from Aaron's perspective, and listen, there's
only one person inside his head, and Aaron's deep inside there.
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You know, He's got to make up his decision about
what he wants to do. Does he really want to play?
And at some point some of the options that he's
got right now potentially are going to go away. I
mean because right now, Russell Wilson's in Cleveland today, If
all of a sudden the Browns and I don't know
that this is going to happen. But let's say the
Browns decide, we'd like to make you an offer, we'd
like to bring you in. And now all of a sudden,
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the Steelers are in a situation of all right, we
can either keep waiting for Aaron, who learned a lot
from Brett Favre, and when Brett Favre went from the
Jets to the Vikings, he signed on August eighteenth in
two thousand and nine. We can't sit here and just wait.
We don't want to lose Russell. Willie Wilson would be
planning C because Justin Fields has planning. We don't want
to go from A to B to C to whatever
is D. We need to do something right now. That's
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where the teams at some point might need to move forward.
Hasn't happened yet, but that time is coming here. And
as much as Aaron might feel like he needs to
meditate on this and really get in touch with all
the different factors in his life, at some point it's
you got to make a decision, and time will tell
how much lease the teams are willing to give him
to do that.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I don't let Russell Wilson out of the building. If
I'm Cleveland, I just say, hey, Russ, let's make this work.
You can show Pittsburgh We'll come back and haunt Pittsburgh
here and you know whatever, your reclamation tour. And I
wonder if the Steelers could be kind of Let's say
Aaron Rodgers says, hey, you know what I'm gonna play
for the Giants, like Pittsburgh could be Duck Devlin or whoever,
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like I don't know what, Plant Gardner, Minshew or Drew Long,
like they could be down to plan D.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I love a good Devlin Duck Hodges reference in the morning, Dan, Yeah,
I mean, listen, there are some other things out there.
But yeah, let's let's game this out. Let's game out
the situation that you just did, which I talked through
with some people this morning. Let's say, and I don't
know what's gonna happen, Let's say the Browns sign Russell
Wilson today. Now the Giants and the Steelers are waiting
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on one guy who may or may not even decide
that he ultimately wants to play football in twenty twenty five.
Your other options beyond that are you try to get
Kirk Cousins out of Atlanta, where that's still an evolving
situation there, He's do twenty seven point five fully guaranteed
another ten million or twenty twenty six vess if he's
on the roster come Sunday. The Falcons don't seem concerned
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about that at all, because they figure, hey, there are
ten million vest two years from now. He'll probably make
that and it'll be offset anyway, so not a big deal.
They're gonna wait. But Kirk also has no trade clutse.
He might not want to go to certain teams that
might have an interest in him, So that's one option.
Then after that you're into is Joe Flacco a starter
in the NFL somewhere this season, Jamis Winston, Drew Locke
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is still out there. You try to make something out
of Trey Lance, I mean your option, your list of
options are getting shorter here. I don't know, frankly, if
any of these options down they're big names. I don't
know if any of these options are stuff that fans
are going to, you know, blow up the phone lines
or get online and buy tickets to go see forty
one year old old Aaron Rodgers, thirty six year old
Russell Wilson forty forty one year old Joe Flackball. I
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don't know that any of these are, you know, the
options that are going to like spur you, not the
way it did when the Jets traded for Rogers a
couple of years ago. But they are competent quarterbacks, and
in a quarterback draft where there is very little certainty
beyond cam Ward probably be in the first quarterback and
quite possibly the number one overall pick, you know, at
least locking in somebody who you know can go out
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and function an offense and get the ball to your playmakers,
it gives you a little bit more options. They afford
us next week?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Can they afford another nine and eight season? Can Mike
Tomlin afford another nine and eight? Maybe you make the
playoffs and you bowl out again in the first round.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
I think Mike Commin has a very unique situation in Pittsburgh,
and I've talked with ur Rooney for it before. Ur
Rooney's belief, and he got this from his father and
his grandfather was as long as the coach's voice is
still resonat in the locker room, you feel like people
believe in him. They're not going to move. But I
would say the Steelers are not standing pat They just
traded a second round pick to go get DK Metcalf
and gave him the biggest contract for a non quarterback
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in franchise history. So the Steelers are being proactive here.
If I'm George Pickens and I'm DK Metcalf right now,
I definitely want to know who's throwing me the football.
Russell Wilson. Listen, he's thirty six. He doesn't move as well.
He doesn't throw the ball as well in the middle
of the field as he used to. He doesn't have
the same escapability. If there's one thing he does, it's
throw the ball to the perimeter, fifty to fifty balls.
Let your big receivers go and get it. Well, the
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Steelers have the biggest outside receivers in the game right
now with Pickens and Metcalf here. I know that people
are going to look at that and say it's not
a really alluring option. But for the Steelers, if that's
where this ends up, it does make some sense to
give it one more shot. Hope for Russ is healthy
and could find you know, seventeen games like he found
about those first four or five that he played last year.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Any chance, Well, I guess the Niners are going to
sign rock Party, right, That's not in doubt.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
They're negotiating.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
They have had negotiations exchange bargaining proposals. I would anticipate
that they are going to get brock Purty side. As
for mac Jones, because I know that's where you're going.
They obviously there was a lot of discussion about them
taking him in the draft in twenty twenty one. They
ultimately opted for Trey Lance. They actually tried to trade
for mac Jones last year when he got traded to Jacksonville,
but they offered a really low pick. The Patriots decided
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to send them to the Jaguars instead. So this is
like the third swing to Kyle Shanahan and company have
made at bringing in mac Jones. And listen, something were
to happen to brock Purty if he were to get
banged up. I think they feel good about mac Jones
going in, but this is not there. From my understanding
on the brock Purty negotiations, they still want to get
him locked up for the long haul. If you look
at the numbers, even in a quote unquote down year
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for him last year. Most efficient quarterbacks in football? The
key is going to be what's that number at a
time that we think about this, Dan, The highest paid
quarterback two years ago in the NFL for a brief
moment was Jalen Hurts at fifty one million a year.
He is now the tenth highest paid quarterback. You wonder
where's all those cap dollars go? The caps? It's loaded
by twenty five percent. Most of that's gone to the quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Thanks for spending time, and I know you're busy. Thank
you again, Tom, You got it there. It's Tom Pelsero,
NFL Network insider. I always appreciate chatting with him. Hall
of Famer Steve Young. Next hour, we'll take a break.
Phone calls coming up right after this.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
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Speaker 3 (34:44):
There were eleven players who scored thirty or more points
last night. That's the most in any one day this
season since February. For this season, X number of different
players have had at least one thirty point game, the
most at this point in a season in the last
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twenty years. How many players have scored at least thirty
points in a game so far this season.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Paul sixty seven, Arvin.
Speaker 8 (35:18):
Ninety six, Todd fifty.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Four, Seaton one hundred and seventeen.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
One hundred and thirty five players have scored at least
thirty points. Is scoring too easy? The fact that you
have everybody you know when you say, oh, that guy's
averaging twenty seven. Used to be when you average twenty seven,
it's like, dang, he's averaging twenty seven. Now it's like, oh, okay,
he's averaging in twenty seven. Oh he's averaging thirty. Now
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nobody's getting up to thirty five, Which that's what I'm
waiting for. Is somebody going to get to thirty five
range again? And it seems like they should. There's the
better players, better shooters, better scorers. But you still have
some of those nights like watching watching Boston last night
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and they didn't make anything. They took sixty three threes.
But you do have more players who are capable of
scoring than ever before. I think that's fair to say.
And there are some that are really really good at scoring.
Shay Gilges to me unstoppable. I really believe that he
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gets the ball and if you're going to try to
man him up, you're not going to stop him.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
He will score. He's that good.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Now, is he a Damar Rosen kind of he's going
to score. Yeah, he's better than that. But it's there's
not excitement there as much as just incredible efficiency. Every
single time he gets the ball. You just figure he's
going to get to the hoop or midrage jumper there.
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But some of these other guys, you know, oh, by
the way, this guy had thirty or this guy had forty,
you know, the Celtics, Peyton Pritchard, like we forget sometimes
you'll be like, man, that guy's gritty and gutty. And
Peyton Pritchard was probably a McDonald's All American and went
to Oregon where he might have led the Pac twelve
and scoring. You know, all of these guys were somebody
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somewhere and they still have that you know ability, Yeah, PAULI, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Peyton Pritchard won four straight state titles as a high
school starter and led the team in scoring for two
those years. I was thinking about the NBA rosters these days,
it only feels like you could make the NBA or
get drafted if you have some type of three point
shooting ability. And you know, remember Armando Baycott, the really
good power forward for UNC. I don't even think he's
on an NBA roster. It feels like there's no place
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for role players like a Raja Bell or a true enforcer,
a true rebounder. You either have to shoot threes or
be seven three.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Well, Rajah Bell, he would he would find a spot
because I mean, you can have pess out there, maybe
not starting, but you have those guys who will come
in and give you an emotional lift.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
But yeah, it feels like it's three in d yes Martin.
Speaker 8 (38:13):
But a guy like Rajah Bell, he developed a three
point shot to stay in the NBA. You know, safe
thing with Bruce Bowen, Yeah, just stand in his corner
and then guard whoever the best player is on the offensive.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Man Brook Lopez developed a three, Jason Kidd developed a three,
Vince Carter developed a three. Magic made himself a better
deep shooter. Now you have to add to your arsenal
because the game evolves. You got to stay up with
everybody else. I was watching college basketball last night, so
I'm watching the Navy game. Navy is playing American the
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Patriot League. It's like ninety seconds in. Next thing I know,
they're escorting one of the Naval players. The Navy player
off I think he's their leading scorer average in seventeen
a game, and I'm like, how did you get a
flagrant two ninety seconds into the game that if you
win the game, you go to the NCAA tournament. Turns
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out the guy hit somebody from American in the groin, punched.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Him, and I went, you go to the Naval Academy.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
You've gotta have discipline under press, and this isn't even pressure.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
It's ninety seconds in.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
What is this infatuation with, Hey, I can't stop you,
I'm going to hit you in the groin. I saw
a high school basketball game. Kid got hit in the
groin in a playoff game. He had hit two threes.
Next thing you know, guy comes down hits him right
in the groin. Yeah, Pauline, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
The Navy player, Jordan Pennock got a flagrant two. It
was five zero, they were losing. It wasn't double overtime
or a type play, and there wasn't really anything that
led up to it.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
American blew out Navy, but still ninety seconds in. And
I don't know what happened prior. I don't know how
much could have happened prior to that. Yes, Tom, what
happened to the good old days?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
We just triped somebody like Grayson Allen. You really got
to punch them.
Speaker 7 (40:04):
In the grin.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Come on, thank you, Todd Seaton. I haven't asked you
for an update on the poll question. I know, I know,
I'm sorry. I've noticed that I forgot about you. Yeah, yeah,
that's okay, I forgot. We got a lot going on today.
If you could be in one band, creedor nickelback right now.
Creed has forty five percent of that vote. We also
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have who dresses better, Dylan or Todd. Dylan's got fifty
one percent of that vote. We've got a couple other
ones too. I'll get you on the okay, all right,
back into and two. Yeah was that Chuck Woolery? Yeah yeah, yeah,
we'll be Oh my god, Steve Young will join us
coming up. Final hour. More of your phone calls as well.
It's Todd Seaton, Mar PAULI, yours truly back after this
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Hour two on this Thursday. Gangs al here
Ready to go. We'll hear from Josh Allen. Josh Allen
just agreed to a six year, three hundred and thirty
million dollar contract extension, which included an NFL record two
hundred and fifty million dollars in guaranteed money. We'll hear
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are welcome eight seven to seven three DP show email
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teams have been introducing their new players. You know a
team that quietly has had a really good off season.
Now it's been so quiet that I don't think you'll
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be able to guess the Denver Broncos have had a
really good off season. Now they've been overshadowed. The Patriots,
the Bears, the Commanders. There have been some teams that
have signed a lot of players. Denver has strengthen their
defense that quietly just quietly trying to see if they
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can match or surpass what they did last season where
they won ten games a playoff team, and I think
that they did a really nice job in the offseason.
Sometimes we get caught up in the shiny object, you know,
the one that's in the window when you're window shopping,
and they're probably in the bargain bin where they're looking
for players. And sometimes you're just trying to get the
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right player who fits what you need at the right time.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Not necessarily.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Hey, we're going to go out and I mean Evan
Ingram is not a big name, he's been around a while,
but that once again is going to help bo Nicks.
That's the important part of all of this. What's this
do for your offensive line? Defensive line, which where every
team should start. That's where success happens offensive defensive line,
because it makes everybody better. But I thought the Denver
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Broncos have done a nice job quietly. We'll talk to
Tom Pelliseru, the NFL Network insider. There's no news on
Aaron Rodgers right now, feels like and I thought by
the end of the week from what I was told
that there'd probably be a decision. Who knows with Aaron Rodgers,
is there a chance? And this is what I'm not
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told this by anybody like on the inside. As much
as it's just a conversation, I have with one of
my sources, and he said, if Pittsburgh wanted Aaron, Aaron
Rodgers wanted Pittsburgh, don't you think that would have happened already?
Is he holding out hope that Minnesota is going to go?
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Because why wouldn't Minnesota go? We're not interested in Aaron Rodgers.
That was what my source said to me yesterday. Because
if you're Minnesota, you've already told JJ McCarthy we're moving
on from Sam Darnold. If they're not quite sure, if
JJ McCarthy is going to be healthy enough, if he's
ready for the moment, or can we afford to pass
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up Aaron Rodgers. So once again, this is just no
inside information, just common sense discussing the situation. And you know,
the more I thought of it is Aaron holding out
hope that Minnesota might be able to come up with
a two year deal. I think two years is what
Aaron wants and you can fall back on Pittsburgh. Now
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here's another thing. Russell Wilson is in Cleveland today. If
I'm Cleveland, I don't let Russ out of the building.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Now you say, okay, I may not have a real
high ceiling here, But I got a guy that is
going to be out there. He's pretty durable and you know,
he's still competitive, and it helps. We're a better team
with Russell Wilson there as our quarterback. But let's say
Russ goes to Cleveland. Let's say Aaron Rodgers is waiting
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for Minnesota. I mean, there's a chance Pittsburgh gets kind
of frozen out here. Then all of a sudden, ladies
and gentlemen, you're a new Steeler quarterback, Jameis Winston. That's
not what you want, Ladies and gentlemen, Drew Locke, that's
not what you expected in Pittsburgh. If Pittsburgh wants to
be unstealer, like, you got to be aggressive. And I
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don't know if they have been, because I thought Justin
Fields was going to be their quarterback and then they
let him go to the Jets.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Now do you want Russ?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
He's right there and they don't really want him, or
they kind of want him, but they only want him
if they don't get Aaron Rodgers. But I think that's
one of those interesting situations here. And then the Giants.
Are the Giants going to get a quarterback? Even if
they do who's going to be your starting quarterback. You're
not going to get cam Ward unless you go up
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to get him. Do you want Shador Sanders? And that
might be another situation where Aaron Rodgers goes, you know what,
I don't want to leave the New York A. I'll
play with the Giants. So those are the things that
you're trying to figure this out. Kirk Cousins, I thought
was gonna end up in Cleveland, but it sounds like
the Falcons are saying, look, and I think he gets
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a ten million dollar roster bonus on Sunday. You imagine
that what that must feel like, Hey, what are we
doing today?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Hun? Well, we got that, we got soccer.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I gotta get that ten million dollar roster bonus, and
then I think we'll go to outback. Who's with me?
Cooper Cup? No suitors, nobody wanted to trade to the
Rams for Cooper Cup. So it's not that he won't
have teams that would be interested. I joke though, it's
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like one of those where you go, Damn, the Chiefs
got Cooper Cup. You know, it's one of those where
you go, they got Cooper Cup. I haven't heard his
name attached to Kansas City. But that's one of those
where they tend to get that guy, and they would
be getting that guy kind of Well, it's definitely on
the back end of his career, but not at the
back end of his career, sort of the way DeAndre
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Hopkins is. But when DeAndre Hopkins went to Kansas City,
everyboney's like they got d hop No, they got DeAndre Hopkins.
There's a big difference with d hop in twenty fifteen
and DeAndre Hopkins and now d hop is going to
the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yes, Paul Cooper.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Cup has had a very good but weird career. He's
at like nine hundred catches, but most of his notoriety
is based off that twenty twenty one season, one hundred
and forty five catches, just under two thousand yards, sixteen touchdowns.
He won a Pro he was in a Pro Bowl
First Team All Pro, won a Super Bowl Player of
the Year on offense, and Super Bowl MVP all in
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one year.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
It's the greatest receiving year of all time. I believe,
if I factor everything in regular season, postseason, probably the
greatest receiving year in NFL history. But you know this
is where it is in the NFL. Make you get
paid commensurate to what your numbers were, and then all
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of a sudden you can't live up to those numbers,
and then they cut you, and if you're not healthy,
then they let you go. So somebody can pick up
Cooper Cup, probably cheaply, and maybe he's the second receiver,
a third receiver for a team, and chances are whoever
is you know, I don't know if this is like
Carolina brought in Adam Thielen and he's in fact coming
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back for one more year. Okay, he's playing for a
team that's not very good. But I don't know if
Cooper Cup is going to find a situation like that.
But we'll talk to Tom Pelsero. He'll join us coming up,
Josh Allen contract extension, and he did a zoom call.
He didn't have to be introduced or reintroduced to the Buffalo,
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but he was asked about, uh, well, why not hold
out and get even more money than he got?
Speaker 5 (08:11):
When you start getting these fairly big numbers throughout the
entire league. You know, it's weird to say this, but
what's what's five more going to do.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
For my life?
Speaker 5 (08:20):
That I can't already do right now right, so like it,
it's not that crazy to me, right, Like, I live
a pretty good life. Got a house, got a car.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
We're good, okay, kind of house in a car. And uh.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Then he also talked a little bit further about how
much money he was making and how that would affect
the team.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
I wasn't looking to absolutely kill them in every every
chance that I could, And I told my agent that
I was like, hey, if this this has any impact
on the pack or impact on the cap, I should
say let's figure out a way to not do that.
So again, we're both sides were willing to move and
change different things, and it was a pretty pretty calm
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mannered and negotiation is what I can what I can say,
at least what I can hear on both sides.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
So it was it was good, good.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Social media reaction to this that hey, I make enough
and just pay me what you know, And a lot
of these athletes want to get paid, Like that's that's
the respect you get, Like how much how much of
the bag did you get? He got the whole bag?
You got a brainstruck But like Patrick Mahomes, you haven't
heard him say, hey, we need. I mean, Dak Prescott's
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making them money. You haven't heard him say that because
he knows what his salary means to the possible continued
success for this team. And I think it's easy to
be greedy in a situation and say I may never
be in this situation again, or why not get the
most that you can. The only position I would take
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if I was Josh Allen is what are we doing
with the money that I might be leaving on the table?
Can I be involved in those conversations? Like Tom Brady,
I don't know how much he was involved in those conversations.
He should have been involved, whether Belichick led him, but
if he's going to kind of not sacrifice money but
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he was going to defer money, then he should have
been involved in what are you doing with my money?
And Josh Allen has certainly earned that right, but came
off pretty well that Okay, I can squeeze here for
another five million dollars At that point, with that amount
of money, I know it might be well, of course
it's not a big deal to you. But he wants
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to spend the rest of his career in Buffalo and
probably will.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, Seeden the it's a.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
Crazy it's such a weird statement to make in a way,
like publicly, because it to say, what's another five million
dollars going to do for me? It makes me feel
like of two minds where you're like, well, you're bringing
pretty cavalier about five million dollars.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
And then also, man, I wish more people thought that way, you.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Know what I mean, Like I don't need you know,
if I let other people have this extra five million dollars,
even though I've already got two hundred and seventy five,
You're right, two eighty not a big deal, but five
million for all these other people would be pretty great.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
And I've never met somebody who said I got enough money.
Whoa Elon Musk has never said I got enough money,
I don't need anymore, Bill Gates or Warren Buffett. It's
it's the competitor in you. You want to now bragging,
you know, it's it's your ego. All of those things
are at play. And I understand an athlete saying I
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want everything that I can get, and you've earned that
right to do that. But also you can't say, well,
we can't build around you because you decided to take
all of that money and we are under a salary cap.
I don't know if anybody said to show heyoutani, hey
do you need to have that much money? But he
did defer everything. That was the great thing that he did.
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I don't know what one did, but you know he
got paid too. Vlad Guerrero is gonna get five hundred
million dollars crazy, crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
But if you can get it, good for you.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
It's just I always I always caution these owners to say,
really you want that guy for that amount of time?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Are people coming out to see him? Like, how do you?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
How do you get your money back? Unless you're winning
a world series like the match in Steve Cohen. Sometimes
it seems like he has no clue what he's doing,
but in business, he knows what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
But when it comes to these.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Things, they're like, you know, they're playing fantasy football, but
they're playing real life fantasy baseball and football, Like I
want that guy and that guy and that guy, and
oh you got to pay him, Okay, no big deal.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Yeah, Paulin, what stood out about the Josh Allen clip
is that he had to tell his agents not to
ask for every dollar possible because my guess is the
agent's going the opposite way. The agent wants to reset
the market and then get the next group of quarterbacks
coming out of college.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I can't imagine one of Scott Morris's clients saying, Hey, Scotty,
he's up. That ain't happening. Scott Morris is gonna twist you.
He's gonna have you under his thumb.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
That's what Scott says. No, yes, I'll do the negotiating.
You throw the ball. That's why they call me great, Scott,
I'm great the guy who does the money.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Yeah, they're not looking for bargains there. Let's see David
in Ohio. Hi, David, what's on your mind?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (13:36):
Dan, I got a couple of names for that star
NBA player rule that you guys are talking about.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
The player participation policy that was put into effect with
Laurie markten where the Utah Jazz got fined because he
was sitting out games where he was apparently healthy.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Okay, David, Yes, So my first one is the.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
No load rule, second one is the fans' first rule,
and my personal favorite is the showtime rule. Also doing
with me at pie.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Thank you, Thank you, dude.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah, we're trying to come up with something better than
the PPP for that rule that you sit out. I
just don't know how they can assess Laurie markin and
having a sore back.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
How do they?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
How do they?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
I mean, does the league check on you who rats
him out to say no, he's healthy, Because that's what happened.
He missed nine games, but then they said that he
was healthy. But he's as a former All Star now
he's under the microscope. If he didn't make an All
Star game, then they wouldn't have looked at him as
a quote unquote star player. And that's what they're trying
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to do that. If you buy tickets to a Christmas
Day game at the Utah Jazz, you want to make sure.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
What a gift Dad, Lourie Marketing? You promise remark we're
gonna see I didn't want to see I want to
see Laurie.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
How did set to miss our house this year?
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Uh? He is a really good pleasure. He is a
good player. He's a good player, but he's not that guy.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Well in Utah, maybe somebody wakes up and goes, oh,
finally tickets to see Laurie Marketing.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Pretty gonna see Walker Kessler in person.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Although isn't Walker Kessler married to Miss Universe really?
Speaker 7 (15:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:43):
All okay, so all of a sudden the last laugh, now, yeah,
every galaxy. I think Walker Kessler's maybe it's his fiance,
Maybe maybe it's his wife. I think she's Miss Universe
or Miss something. And he's a pretty good player, by
the way. He just had a statline the other day
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where he had like twenty some rebounds.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yess.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Paul Walker Kessler's girlfriend is I'm not gonna give her
name out, but she won Miss America twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Okay, hello, hello.
Speaker 8 (16:16):
At least someone on the jazz is winning.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, winning. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I was like when somebody goes and they and they
look up her picture and they go, man, she's really pretty.
Really she won Miss America. She's pretty.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Not because you played a violin really different things you got.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
And the they don't do the bikini anymore. US Americans
don't have mess.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
I was I was invited to be a judge the
Miss Universe Miss America pageant when Donald Trump ran it.
Oh boy, and I was asked, I think it was
in Russia, I think. And I had a friend who
was affiliated with this and he said, how would you
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like to judge? I think it's Miss Universe. I don't
think that I'm Miss America in Russia.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Gonna be the best Miss Universe there ever was, But
Universe I think it was. I think it was Miss Universe.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
And I was asked if I wanted to be a judge,
and I, uh, now I had to be polite, even
though I was gonna.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Go no, no, no. I found it creepy, Miss Brazil,
I said, Miss Brazil, don't cry. I wouldn't have cried.
Shan kill us abood.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Yeah, I turned down the opportunity to be a judge
in Miss Universe.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
And you regret it to this day.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
No, no, no, no, I could tell that's really you're
looking back at things. You you know, it was like
CBS Sport shouldn't have made that jug the man.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
I do regret that. I do regret that that was embarrassing.
What a pompous punk I was. Don't you mean CBS Sports?
I know I know that was unculturb Thank you too,
Sorry about that. Take a break. Any update on Aaron Rodgers.
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Hall of Famer Steve Young. He'll join us coming up
next hour. Tom Pelisero, NFL Network insider busy man the
last few days here, Tom, let me start with the
winners and losers. If you were picking out one team
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where you go clearly did better than everybody else, and
then if I said give me the loser, who would
you pick?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
The winners and losers are always tough because a lot
of the time, the biggest free agent signings are the
guys you see cut two years later, and some of
those value type signings are the ones that work out
the best. Look at the Eagles last year with Zach Bond,
nobody was talking about that that was as impactful as anything,
but he's had a bunch under the radar signings. I
would say I think that the teams that were active
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that certainly at least made an impact on their teams
this year. Look at the Patriots defensively, geineing Milton Williams.
They had to pay a lot to get him, but
a game record type. They're playing new defensive scheme with
Mike Vrabel. They also brought in Harold Landy who got
released by the Titans. He's got familiarity with Mike Vrabel.
Robert Spalane the linebacker, Carlton Davis the corner. I mean, again,
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you'll see, we'll see what because these are all big
money types of signings, But in terms of the instantaneous impact,
I think that you're going to see it there. I
also would say I like at least the philosophy of
what Seattle is doing, and they've got some more moves
that they're gonna need to make. But in essence, you know,
they've been going along with Geno Smith. They had he
had wanted a contract redo last year. They don't do
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that with two years left, just organizational philosophy. This year,
they came to him. They offered him a raise, they
offered him a deal. Gino didn't like it, did not
respond well to their offer. At some point they went
wait to say we can trade him for a third
round pick. And then signed Sam Darnold, who's a decade
younger coming off a Pro Bowl, for a little bit
less money. We're just gonna we're gonna do that, you know.
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And then DK Metcalf, you get, you get a second
round pick out of that deal. They're kind of rebooting,
you know, year two for Mike McDonald. What I like
about it is they were ten and seven and they
didn't go, hey, we're close, we just need it a
little bit more. Was you know what, head and seven's
not the goal. Let's try to go win a championship
with a coach who's the youngest in the league that
we think could be really special here. You know, again,
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they still need wide receiver help. We'll see if they
get some more here in the coming days as well
as through the draft. But I thought that the way
that Seattle looked at this, the way they attacked it,
I thought really said something about the focus of their
front office.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah, Denver stood out to me quietly, Chicago, did you know?
Washington did? And then you have the other end of
the spectrum, the team that made you go hmm.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Well, once again, I think that just anybody look at this,
says the Cowboys are just so generally inactive that it
just makes you wonder what's their plan. You know, obviously
they've got a new coaching staff in there. Brian Shatt
and I were getting promoted to head coach, Matt Eberflus
coming in as the defensive coordinator. We've seen them make some,
you know, relatively smaller moves. They traded yesterday for a
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couple of former high draft picks, Kenneth Murray and Kyrie Elam.
But you know, Murray ha been a fine player, but
that was a salary dump for Tennessee and Kyrie Elam
it started like twelve games over three years.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
That's kind of like the Jonathan Mingo trade they made
last year from Carolina, where you know, they give up
a fourth per a guy that they thought was a
really top wide receiver in the draft, but he hadn't
had any you know, he hadn't had a lot of productivity,
and so, you know, their biggest free agent signings at
this point. I might be forgetting somebody off the top
of my head, but you know, Javonte Williams, a running
back who I was at the game in Dallas a
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couple of years ago when he had the best gay
of his career, but he had an injury. He's not
quite at the same level of productivity. You had to
be sitting there and going when Washington's making all these moves, right.
They did it the deadline last year with the Marshall
Latimore trade. They did it with the Deebo Samuel trade.
This year, a Laramie Tunsel trade. They're going all in, said, hey,
we got to catch up to the Eagles. We're going
to cash in right now on a rookie quarterback contract
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for the Cowboys. They're locked in with Dak, they're locked
in with CD. They got to figure out the Miket thing.
And they're operating like a team whether it's right or wrong,
that doesn't have a whole lot of flexibility. And you
just wonder. I'm not saying what they're doing is wrong,
but you do wonder, Okay, what's their plan for catching
up in a really, really competitive division.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
And I don't know if this is true, though, Tom,
but it feels like Jerry Jones wants to prove how
smart they are. He is in the draft. Free agency. Okay,
I signed checks, but they don't go after free agents.
And they have done well on the draft, but I
don't know why. It's like a college coach who doesn't
believe in the transfer portal. Well, you got Dabo Sweeney
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at Clemson. He doesn't believe in the TRND, and you're like,
you better get up to speed. But Jerry is never
They've never spent money.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Who is it?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Greg Hardy is their big free agent signing a decade ago?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
That was a wild will. I saw that stat that's
the last one they signed to a contract above what
like eight million dollars per years in free agency? That
feels like a lifetime ago. And there's a whole Greg
Hardy side story we don't need to get into there.
But yeah, they've not been super active. They've been in
most cases slower to get their long term contracts done.
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And the problem with that, we see it over and
over is when you wait on these deals, all that
does is give more leverage to the player. Whether it's
because of Dak playing out a franchise tag. It's like,
why does Dak make sixty million? I see if people
say it all time, how does make Dak make sixty
Josh Allen side for fifty five. It's about leverage. Dak
played out of antized tag. They were at risking having
to tag him a second time, which they did until
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the paperwork went through, and then he played toward the
end of that deal that he had all the leverage
in this case. You know the same thing with CD
last year where Justin Jefferson resets the market. Now you're
seeing them with Micah Parsons. If the Cowboys jumped out,
you know, whether it was you know, forget about last year,
you jump out in March and just say, you know what,
we're gonna get this deal done with Micah. You know,
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you're tie probably talking about, hey, we get that about
what the Mash Crosby number was right, which is like
thirty five thirty five and a half million dollars a year.
Now Miles Garrett gets forty you know, Michael Parsons agents
are sitting there going, great, we'll still sit back and
wait and see if we get forty one. And now
you potentially have another off season where it's dominated by
what's gonna happen with Micah. You know, it will give
me the indication that they're at least open to exploring
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whether or not they would trade him. I know they've
had internal discussions about Okay, what's the right thing to
do when if you sign him for forty million plus, that's
gonna give you a super top heavy type of roster here.
It's just that's that's kind of the Cowboys way of
doing business, and I definitely understand the frustration of fans.
We're just going, what's the plan to get better again?
When you're chasing literally the Super Bowl champs who arguably
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have the best roster in football.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Tom Pellisero, NFL Network insider, the Aaron Rodgers situation. I'm
curious about this from the Minnesota standpoint, Why don't they
just come out and say we're not interested in Aaron Rodgers.
You've already said to JJ McCarthy, we're moving on from
Sam Darnold. We believe in you if you truly believe
in JJ McCarthy. Unless they do, they're curious about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Listen, if the Vikings called Aaron Rodgers today and said, hey,
what do you think about coming and playing Minnesota, Aaron
Rodgers would be off that beach with the shawl around
his shoulders and be on a plane to Minnesota instantly.
I mean, yes, that's the truth. Kevin O'Connell and Aaron
Rodgers have a relationship. They're about the same age. Believe
it or not. They are both California guys. They've known
each other for years. They talk, they text. But you
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drafted JJ McCarthy last year tenth overall with the philosophy
of exactly what I was talking about with Washington, where
you got a young guy on a cost controlled rookie contract.
You can spend all this money elsewhere, you can use
draft picks, you can go. We're going to try to
win right now by taking advantage of the fact that
we've got the quarterback on the cheap. Aaron Rodgers I
believe would come and play for not very much money
at all in Minnesota. But you're still changing the path
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for JJ McCarthy at that point. It would be different
if Sam Darnold were coming back off the year he had.
They made him an offer, Seattle offered a way more money.
He's gone, Daniel Jones, they tried to bring back. They
give themselves an option here just because JJ McCarthy is
in a very rare position where not only did he
not play as working, he didn't take a rep the
whole season, and there's no precedent for that. But once
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those two options went away, my understanding has been the
most likely scenario, highly likely, is that JJ McCarthy is
going to be the starting quarterback and they'll pursue a
backup option. Why have they not ruled it out publicly?
I would say the Vikings philosophically just don't rule anything
out publicly. Is there there are some scenario here where
I mean, think about this, Dan JJ McCarthy has a
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setback in rehab. I'm not saying he has. I'm saying
if that were to happen right in may or he
tweaks something in OTAs and Aaron's sitting out there, still
wandering in the sand, maybe you go, hey, this is
exactly the type of opportunity here, you know, And I
think that you know, from Aaron's perspective, and listen, there's
only one person inside his head, and Aaron's deep inside there.
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You know, He's got to make up his decision about
what he wants to do. Does he really want to play?
And at some point some of the options that he's
got right now potentially are going to go away. I
mean because right now, Russell Wilson's in Cleveland today, If
all of a sudden the Browns and I don't know
that this is going to happen. But let's say the
Browns decide, we'd like to make you an offer, we'd
like to bring you in. And now all of a sudden,
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the Steelers are in a situation of all right, we
can either keep waiting for Aaron, who learned a lot
from Brett Favre, and when Brett Favre went from the
Jets to the Vikings, he signed on August eighteenth in
two thousand and nine. We can't sit here and just wait.
We don't want to lose Russell. Willie Wilson would be
planning C because Justin Fields has planning. We don't want
to go from A to B to C to whatever
is D. We need to do something right now. That's
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where the teams at some point might need to move forward.
Hasn't happened yet, but that time is coming here. And
as much as Aaron might feel like he needs to
meditate on this and really get in touch with all
the different factors in his life, at some point it's
you got to make a decision, and time will tell
how much lease the teams are willing to give him
to do that.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I don't let Russell Wilson out of the building. If
I'm Cleveland, I just say, hey, Russ, let's make this work.
You can show Pittsburgh We'll come back and haunt Pittsburgh
here and you know whatever, your reclamation tour. And I
wonder if the Steelers could be kind of Let's say
Aaron Rodgers says, hey, you know what I'm gonna play
for the Giants, like Pittsburgh could be Duck Devlin or whoever,
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like I don't know what, Plant Gardner, Minshew or Drew Long,
like they could be down to plan D.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I love a good Devlin Duck Hodges reference in the morning, Dan, Yeah,
I mean, listen, there are some other things out there.
But yeah, let's let's game this out. Let's game out
the situation that you just did, which I talked through
with some people this morning. Let's say, and I don't
know what's gonna happen, Let's say the Browns sign Russell
Wilson today. Now the Giants and the Steelers are waiting
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on one guy who may or may not even decide
that he ultimately wants to play football in twenty twenty five.
Your other options beyond that are you try to get
Kirk Cousins out of Atlanta, where that's still an evolving
situation there, He's do twenty seven point five fully guaranteed
another ten million or twenty twenty six vess if he's
on the roster come Sunday. The Falcons don't seem concerned
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about that at all, because they figure, hey, there are
ten million vest two years from now. He'll probably make
that and it'll be offset anyway, so not a big deal.
They're gonna wait. But Kirk also has no trade clutse.
He might not want to go to certain teams that
might have an interest in him, So that's one option.
Then after that you're into is Joe Flacco a starter
in the NFL somewhere this season, Jamis Winston, Drew Locke
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is still out there. You try to make something out
of Trey Lance, I mean your option, your list of
options are getting shorter here. I don't know, frankly, if
any of these options down they're big names. I don't
know if any of these options are stuff that fans
are going to, you know, blow up the phone lines
or get online and buy tickets to go see forty
one year old old Aaron Rodgers, thirty six year old
Russell Wilson forty forty one year old Joe Flackball. I
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don't know that any of these are, you know, the
options that are going to like spur you, not the
way it did when the Jets traded for Rogers a
couple of years ago. But they are competent quarterbacks, and
in a quarterback draft where there is very little certainty
beyond cam Ward probably be in the first quarterback and
quite possibly the number one overall pick, you know, at
least locking in somebody who you know can go out
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and function an offense and get the ball to your playmakers,
it gives you a little bit more options. They afford
us next week?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Can they afford another nine and eight season? Can Mike
Tomlin afford another nine and eight? Maybe you make the
playoffs and you bowl out again in the first round.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
I think Mike Commin has a very unique situation in Pittsburgh,
and I've talked with ur Rooney for it before. Ur
Rooney's belief, and he got this from his father and
his grandfather was as long as the coach's voice is
still resonat in the locker room, you feel like people
believe in him. They're not going to move. But I
would say the Steelers are not standing pat They just
traded a second round pick to go get DK Metcalf
and gave him the biggest contract for a non quarterback
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in franchise history. So the Steelers are being proactive here.
If I'm George Pickens and I'm DK Metcalf right now,
I definitely want to know who's throwing me the football.
Russell Wilson. Listen, he's thirty six. He doesn't move as well.
He doesn't throw the ball as well in the middle
of the field as he used to. He doesn't have
the same escapability. If there's one thing he does, it's
throw the ball to the perimeter, fifty to fifty balls.
Let your big receivers go and get it. Well, the
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Steelers have the biggest outside receivers in the game right
now with Pickens and Metcalf here. I know that people
are going to look at that and say it's not
a really alluring option. But for the Steelers, if that's
where this ends up, it does make some sense to
give it one more shot. Hope for Russ is healthy
and could find you know, seventeen games like he found
about those first four or five that he played last year.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Any chance, Well, I guess the Niners are going to
sign rock Party, right, That's not in doubt.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
They're negotiating.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
They have had negotiations exchange bargaining proposals. I would anticipate
that they are going to get brock Purty side. As
for mac Jones, because I know that's where you're going.
They obviously there was a lot of discussion about them
taking him in the draft in twenty twenty one. They
ultimately opted for Trey Lance. They actually tried to trade
for mac Jones last year when he got traded to Jacksonville,
but they offered a really low pick. The Patriots decided
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to send them to the Jaguars instead. So this is
like the third swing to Kyle Shanahan and company have
made at bringing in mac Jones. And listen, something were
to happen to brock Purty if he were to get
banged up. I think they feel good about mac Jones
going in, but this is not there. From my understanding
on the brock Purty negotiations, they still want to get
him locked up for the long haul. If you look
at the numbers, even in a quote unquote down year
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for him last year. Most efficient quarterbacks in football? The
key is going to be what's that number at a
time that we think about this, Dan, The highest paid
quarterback two years ago in the NFL for a brief
moment was Jalen Hurts at fifty one million a year.
He is now the tenth highest paid quarterback. You wonder
where's all those cap dollars go? The caps? It's loaded
by twenty five percent. Most of that's gone to the quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Thanks for spending time, and I know you're busy. Thank
you again, Tom, You got it there. It's Tom Pelsero,
NFL Network insider. I always appreciate chatting with him. Hall
of Famer Steve Young. Next hour, we'll take a break.
Phone calls coming up right after this.
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Speaker 3 (34:44):
There were eleven players who scored thirty or more points
last night. That's the most in any one day this
season since February. For this season, X number of different
players have had at least one thirty point game, the
most at this point in a season in the last
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twenty years. How many players have scored at least thirty
points in a game so far this season.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Paul sixty seven, Arvin.
Speaker 8 (35:18):
Ninety six, Todd fifty.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Four, Seaton one hundred and seventeen.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
One hundred and thirty five players have scored at least
thirty points. Is scoring too easy? The fact that you
have everybody you know when you say, oh, that guy's
averaging twenty seven. Used to be when you average twenty seven,
it's like, dang, he's averaging twenty seven. Now it's like, oh, okay,
he's averaging in twenty seven. Oh he's averaging thirty. Now
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nobody's getting up to thirty five, Which that's what I'm
waiting for. Is somebody going to get to thirty five
range again? And it seems like they should. There's the
better players, better shooters, better scorers. But you still have
some of those nights like watching watching Boston last night
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and they didn't make anything. They took sixty three threes.
But you do have more players who are capable of
scoring than ever before. I think that's fair to say.
And there are some that are really really good at scoring.
Shay Gilges to me unstoppable. I really believe that he
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gets the ball and if you're going to try to
man him up, you're not going to stop him.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
He will score. He's that good.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Now, is he a Damar Rosen kind of he's going
to score. Yeah, he's better than that. But it's there's
not excitement there as much as just incredible efficiency. Every
single time he gets the ball. You just figure he's
going to get to the hoop or midrage jumper there.
(36:58):
But some of these other guys, you know, oh, by
the way, this guy had thirty or this guy had forty,
you know, the Celtics, Peyton Pritchard, like we forget sometimes
you'll be like, man, that guy's gritty and gutty. And
Peyton Pritchard was probably a McDonald's All American and went
to Oregon where he might have led the Pac twelve
and scoring. You know, all of these guys were somebody
(37:21):
somewhere and they still have that you know ability, Yeah, PAULI, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Peyton Pritchard won four straight state titles as a high
school starter and led the team in scoring for two
those years. I was thinking about the NBA rosters these days,
it only feels like you could make the NBA or
get drafted if you have some type of three point
shooting ability. And you know, remember Armando Baycott, the really
good power forward for UNC. I don't even think he's
on an NBA roster. It feels like there's no place
(37:49):
for role players like a Raja Bell or a true enforcer,
a true rebounder. You either have to shoot threes or
be seven three.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Well, Rajah Bell, he would he would find a spot
because I mean, you can have pess out there, maybe
not starting, but you have those guys who will come
in and give you an emotional lift.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
But yeah, it feels like it's three in d yes Martin.
Speaker 8 (38:13):
But a guy like Rajah Bell, he developed a three
point shot to stay in the NBA. You know, safe
thing with Bruce Bowen, Yeah, just stand in his corner
and then guard whoever the best player is on the offensive.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Man Brook Lopez developed a three, Jason Kidd developed a three,
Vince Carter developed a three. Magic made himself a better
deep shooter. Now you have to add to your arsenal
because the game evolves. You got to stay up with
everybody else. I was watching college basketball last night, so
I'm watching the Navy game. Navy is playing American the
(38:46):
Patriot League. It's like ninety seconds in. Next thing I know,
they're escorting one of the Naval players. The Navy player
off I think he's their leading scorer average in seventeen
a game, and I'm like, how did you get a
flagrant two ninety seconds into the game that if you
win the game, you go to the NCAA tournament. Turns
(39:07):
out the guy hit somebody from American in the groin, punched.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Him, and I went, you go to the Naval Academy.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
You've gotta have discipline under press, and this isn't even pressure.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
It's ninety seconds in.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
What is this infatuation with, Hey, I can't stop you,
I'm going to hit you in the groin. I saw
a high school basketball game. Kid got hit in the
groin in a playoff game. He had hit two threes.
Next thing you know, guy comes down hits him right
in the groin. Yeah, Pauline, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
The Navy player, Jordan Pennock got a flagrant two. It
was five zero, they were losing. It wasn't double overtime
or a type play, and there wasn't really anything that
led up to it.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
American blew out Navy, but still ninety seconds in. And
I don't know what happened prior. I don't know how
much could have happened prior to that. Yes, Tom, what
happened to the good old days?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
We just triped somebody like Grayson Allen. You really got
to punch them.
Speaker 7 (40:04):
In the grin.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Come on, thank you, Todd Seaton. I haven't asked you
for an update on the poll question. I know, I know,
I'm sorry. I've noticed that I forgot about you. Yeah, yeah,
that's okay, I forgot. We got a lot going on today.
If you could be in one band, creedor nickelback right now.
Creed has forty five percent of that vote. We also
(40:25):
have who dresses better, Dylan or Todd. Dylan's got fifty
one percent of that vote. We've got a couple other
ones too. I'll get you on the okay, all right,
back into and two. Yeah was that Chuck Woolery? Yeah yeah, yeah,
we'll be Oh my god, Steve Young will join us
coming up. Final hour. More of your phone calls as well.
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