June 18, 2025 • 40 mins
LeBron James recently defended the greatness of those who haven’t won championships but Dan wonders if he might not be doing so for purely selfish reasons. And he considers the coverage of the dustup in the WNBA last night vs. the coverage of Tyrese Haliburton’s injury leading up to Game 6 of the NBA Finals.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Our two.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
On this Wednesday, Dan and the Dan Nets Dan Patrick Show.
No basketball tonight, but as we look ahead to Thursday night,
Game six, you have the Indiana Pacers at home as
six and a half point underdogs, And if you're curious,
the over under for Shay Gilgis Alexander is thirty three
and a half. It feels like it's been thirty three
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or thirty four and a half every single game. Not
expecting a big scoring output for Tyrese Halliburton. The over
under right now according to DraftKings thirteen and a half
points eight, seven to seven to three. DP Show email
address Dpadanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle atp Show stat of
the Day has always brought to you by Panini America,
the official trading cards of the program. Congrats to the
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Florida Panthers. This is how it sounded last night, down
to the final five seconds.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Thatt's rained down Lord Stanley's staying in South Florida last
year was greatness. This time it's historic. The Florida Panthers
hurt back to back. Stanley Doc Jippios.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I'm gonna guess their play by play guy had plenty
of time to get ready for those final ten seconds
because they dominated it. You know, the statistical domination here.
So first back to back champs since the Lightning in
twenty twenty one. But Florida held the lead for two
hundred and fifty five almost two hundred and fifty six
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minutes of play during the Stanley Cup Final. That's the
most of any team in the history of the sport.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Stata, the J Stata, the JA we Love your Stata,
the day Stata, the J Stanta, the j oh damn
give us that stat of the day.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
By the way Stata. That's Pandora. I just got some
gifts in the mail from Pandora, and she sent a
picture of her herself. She sent us some honey that
she made, some salsa that she made. And I think
when her picture came up on the screen when I
showed Pandora to the dan Eds, Marvin's the one who
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guessed that that was Pandora. I think we were surprised
that that was Pandora. Yes, Marvin, were you because she
looks just like how I thought she would really m hm,
oh yeah, give us. I thought that she would be
thirty years older.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Like that.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I did not think that that was Pandora.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
I think he looks like she's aging great and she
went to a little fair in nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 7 (02:38):
Agree, I think she looks great.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
She looks a whole lot better than she sings. I
think we can agree on that now. I'm fine with
the voice. I'm fine with the you know, kind of
the seductive tone that he sultry. Yes, if we get
to Vegas, when we get to Vegas again, yeah, I
would like to get a piano and I would like
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for her to be on top of the piano and
then just singing that to me as I play stat
of the day. It's all about content. Who's with me? Okay, Todd,
I'm sure you are in Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:23):
Wait, huh yeah, team player, Okay, I'm minute for the Yeah,
it's it's content there, yes, Marmon.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
But you can't put that type of content on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Why not come with a warning?
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Okay, oh, Dan give it.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
She looks a whole lot different than I thought. Yeah,
I thought she was going to be somebody my age.
Speaker 8 (03:46):
It's really nice for her to send those gifts.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I was wonderful, you know, homemade salsa and honey they
got the Pandora hot honey.
Speaker 7 (03:57):
Yeah, yeah, I have their own ranch.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I'm all in, all in, thank you, Pandora. I'm very
sweet of you, very thought. Yeah, thank you to uh.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
We love you status.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I think her husband encouraged her to sound that way.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Honey, that was great, but hotter.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Than yeah, more seductive, that would be great.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
Give me Jewel Circle nineteen ninety eight. Come on, Jewel,
alrighty give me Lilith Fair, give me more Lilith.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I didn't think of Lilith Fair, but she sounds like Jewel. No,
she doesn't.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Come.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Jewel is a great artist.
Speaker 9 (04:58):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
I didn't say about the singing, but I I felt
like more of kind of the sult Stree esque, all.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Right, eight seven seven three DP show email address Dpadanpatrick
dot com, Twitter handle at DP show. We don't know
the status of Tyre's Halliburton and his strained calf. That's
the kind of thing that you normally sit out, you
don't play. But they're going to have an MRI this
morning on it. I'm going to imagine, according to Rick Carlisle,
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that he was planning on having him play. I just
don't know. I still don't understand why he played the
second half of that game knowing that you can come
back home, you can be healthier win this game. And
now all bets are off when it's a game seven.
But Halliburton is probably going to be hampered. He can't
be one hundred percent, but you need him to be
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at least seventy five percent because what And I was
watching this with a former coach and he was showing
me some things and he said, Halliburton will go east
to west. He said, I don't want my point guard
going east to west on offense. He's got to go
more north to south. Sga goes north to south. He's
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going to get in the lane. Halliburton has to go
north south. But given this calf, he's going to be
limited at being able to do this. It might be
somebody else who is going to have like TJ. McConnell
has to go north south. Halliburton can still be in
the lineup, but he can't be your primary balk handler.
But that was a former coach, college coach who was
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talking to me about that yesterday. Poll question hour two
Seaton is going to be what.
Speaker 8 (06:41):
Our one we got up there today.
Speaker 7 (06:43):
I feel bad for oilers fans Connor McDavid Canada or
Tyre's Halliburton.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Hm, I feel bad for Canada. I mean, at least
give you some drama, least give you a seven game series.
At least give you something where you you know what
we were in this you really weren't. As Steve Leeby
joined us. It was a six, six game sweep. That
was a real no show last night too. This was tough.
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The last couple of games have been no shows. And
you know there's a big difference. You've got two great
players on one team and then you have a great team.
Florida is a great team top to bottom they are
and Marshand is wonderful to watch. He's just one of
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those guys you want him on your team and you
don't want to play against him. But congrats as you
have entered the Dynasty conversation. By the way, Lebron James
was talking about how we're infatuated with winning championships. I
don't know what because there's always a message, you know,
with whatever he's saying, there's always something behind what he's saying.
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So he's on his podcast, Mind the Game podcast with
Steve Nash, and he had this to say about our
obsession with chammpionship rings.
Speaker 10 (08:01):
I don't know why I've discussed so much in our sport,
and why is the all be all of everything. You
sit here and tell me, you know, Alan I Everson
and Charles Barkley and Steve Nash, you know, you know,
wasn't unbelievable, like, oh, they can't be talked about or
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discussed with these guys.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Is because this guy.
Speaker 10 (08:24):
One one ring or one two rings or one like it.
It's just weird to me. It's like Sam Peyton Manning
can't be in the same room with Brady or telling
me that Dan Marino is not the greatest slinger of
all time, or he can't be in a room with
those guys because he didn't win a championship. They don't
discuss those things. What's Lebron really saying here?
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Now?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I get the overall picture, and we've brought this up
many times that we are obsessed where a bottom line
sports society, and the bottom line is winning a championship.
And that's why I've been a big proponent of the
Buffalo bill greatness and the Minnesota Vikings back in the seventies.
They got to the Super Bowl, Yes, they lost, but
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they got there, and there's something to be said for that.
But that's how we define greatness. It gets open to
interpretation until you get to the bottom line of winning championships.
If Tim Duncan's on another team doesn't win an NBA title,
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is he a Hall of Famer? Is he one of
the top ten fifteen players of all time? Probably not.
But if you have those championships, I have to count those.
There are guys who have titles who aren't as good
as guys who don't have titles. You get elevated because
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of your titles. Is Lebron saying just because I don't
have six titles doesn't mean I can't be the goat?
Now once again, I'm going to read into this a
little bit more because I don't think Lebron is just
sticking up for everybody on winning championships or not winning championships.
It feels like he might say, Hey, I got all
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the stats, I've got everything, and I've got four titles.
I don't have six, but I've got four. Why can't
I be the greatest of all time? Whether he is
saying this or not, That's the first thing I thought of,
is what is the ulterior motive of saying this, Yes, Paul,
it felt.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
More to me.
Speaker 11 (10:27):
My first reaction was Lebron's just critiquing the extreme media
people that are end all be all with titles, with
people that if they don't have a title, they're a failure,
or a season without an appearance in a title game
is a failure. I thought he's calling out hot take
media people MM that he watches day to day or
listens to day to day.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
That's another thing. If you don't like these hot take
guys like Charles Barkley couldn't stand Skip Bayless, then why
are you watching Skip Baylet's It's not like you go
downstairs into your living room and the TV comes on
and then you go, I can't get away from this.
You choose to turn on and listen to these guys? Yes, yes, time.
Speaker 12 (11:06):
I mean you could always say someone told me or
it popped up on my phone. I wasn't seeking out
that I'll watch these shows. It was brought to my attention,
and that's how you hide behind that.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yes, but it feels like Charles Barkley was always watching
Skip Bayless because he hated Skip Bayless.
Speaker 7 (11:21):
Yes, yeah, I could see maybe Charles was always watching
Skip Bayless because it seems like he would enjoy hate
watching somebody. But if you're somebody like Lebron James, I
do think that that type of media finds you, you know,
I don't think that he has to sit down, like
wake up in the morning, go down to his kitchen
and turn on whatever show is on.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (11:43):
I think that stuff just ends up in his phone.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
You know, it's amazing what ends up on our phone.
Speaker 8 (11:49):
Everything does.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yes, because you don't have to watch a WNBA game,
but you're gonna be inundated with Caitlin Clark. Correct, even
if you don't, you're not you don't, you're not concerned,
you don't like you will get Caitlin Clark. I don't,
and especially this morning after there was a couple of
altercations in last night's game.
Speaker 8 (12:10):
Yeah, Seed, I don't watch the WNBA.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
If truth be told, I'm nearly not all that interested
in Caitlyn Clark or like the rivalries or really any
of those storylines. I'm not all that interested in Angel
Reese or whatever is going on. And it's my entire
social media. I don't search it out, I don't look
for it. I don't google stats. I don't do anything
even remotely related to women's basketball, and it's seventy five
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percent of my social media.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Well, on Sunday with the US Open, one website had
one article about the US Open, and I think five
articles about Caitlin Clark's performance against the Liberty might have
been more than that, might have been like six or
seven articles on that and just one on the US Open.
I mean, this is what you know, kind of being
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a sports fan is nowadays, it's what's on my phone. Well,
then that must be the most popular thing going on,
or I need to know more about this just because
they're trying to get clicks, and then more clicks, it's
going to be even more prominent. And then if they
realize that you're digesting this, consuming this, let's put out
even more of that. Like Shador Sanders, people are interested.
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They're interested, or they wouldn't keep putting this out. Micah
Parsons contract, they're interested. That's why you put it out.
It's the other thing that they don't put out, and
they should be covering We should be covering sports, but
unfortunately we don't. We play the hits, or networks play
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the hits I try. I play what interests me, and
hopefully what interests me interests you or a guest that
can accompany that. But you know, I get it with Lebron,
you don't have to watch a Laker game, and I
could pretty much go from social media, what's going on
with Lebron? James Luka, Doncik's wait. You know, these are
the things that make you click, things that make you
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go click.
Speaker 11 (14:06):
Yes, Pauli, you're absolutely right about the cycle of it,
and would it be a Caitlin Clark play or a
play of Shad or Sanders. These websites task their young
employees with pumping out content that feeds that beast. You know,
So when there isn't a story about Clark or whoever
it may be, they find one, they create one, and
they do it. And because it it's the anger and
the ire of people, and they click on it, either
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to hate read it or read it and comment on it.
It feeds that if you ever want it to stop,
you stop clicking, you stop commenting, they'll stop doing.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I had somebody from the Mothership who's a friend, and
he said, why do you critique our rundown and stories
that we cover? I said, because I used to be there.
I mean, I know what goes on there. And Shadoor
Sanders in June, Dak Prescott's legacy in June, and he says,
we're serving our audience. I said, well, it's like serving
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them and the same thing, because they don't know there's
another restaurant, like, hey, here's McDonald's. Man, this is great.
Then all of a sudden you give them another meal
and you go, wait a minute, I didn't know about this.
Speaker 13 (15:11):
You do.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
You're serving them, but are you serving them or over
serving them? Yes, Pauling, that's exactly it.
Speaker 11 (15:17):
It's an overserving based off the analytics. And if something
doesn't get clicks, it does not get coverage. Like you said,
I was reading a sports website and their feed on Sunday,
it's like no updates on the US Open Up, pretty
major sporting event on a Sunday, and tons on other
things that had nothing to do, third string quarterbacks and
so forth.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
And you know, Caitlin Clark is going to get more
coverage than Tyrese Halliburton and the Pacers and needing to
win this game, and it's not her, it's just they
know that that will get clicks. And it won't be
nobody's going to talk about how many points she scored
last night. They won't. They'll show you a couple of
incidents there where there was some pushing and shoving and
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some hard fouls there. It's just like when Kate and
had that unbelievable performance against the Liberty. I don't think
anybody mentioned that Sabrina Einesque had thirty four points in
that game because nobody cares.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
As Marv, nobody knew the Liberty was undefeated.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, no, you're right, yes, yes, Ton.
Speaker 12 (16:16):
It's also a societal thing and just the negative out
shining unfortunately the positive. If you're watching the evening news
or the late news or Scott Van Pelt Sports anyway,
you know one good thing that gets a little thing
at the very end, one mentioned about something that can
be very uplifting. Same thing on the news. They'll take
one minute at the very end to share something positive
about eleven year old that just became a neurosurgeon. And
everything else's bombs and explosions and horrific things that happened.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Well, I think it's mandatory to end your news with
something positive. Having been in local news not very long
by the way I didn't get the job, but you'd
always have to have, you know, Sally and Jimmy and
they would have And tonight we leave you with and
then it'll be you know, some little ducklings walking across
the street or something. You know, they're like, good night,
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we'll see you at eleven.
Speaker 11 (17:02):
Yes, I worked down the hall at CBS News from
the CBS News TV department, and there was a guy
who's a producer. His job was to find the feel good.
They called it the feel good and they ended every
Dan Rather broadcast with a bunch of ducks were saved
in Nova Scotia and whatever it may be, as long
as they had video for a feel good.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
And then Dan Rather would say, courage. Yeah, that was weird. Courage,
look it to yourselves on each other, roll tig, just
take a break. We'll have more in the NBA Finals,
The Pivotal Game seven six, I should say, the Pivotal
Game six coming up. Eman Schumpert, who does some NBA work,
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award of Best Dress today. So thanks for showing us
up there. And mon, how are you today? I'm doing well,
I'm doing great. Can you explain to our audience the
difference for what a calf strain means to an NBA
player and how that might affect Haliburton tomorrow night.
Speaker 14 (18:45):
When we talk about a calf stray, we talk about
a hamstring stray. Those are two things that if we
think back to when Kevin Durant tried to go out
there before that calf are always recovered. Right, You're putting
yourself in position of one hurt yourself for the long term.
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But when we talk about a game that's valuable and
you talk about competing, it's hard to turn your head
and say that you'll let a hamstring or a.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Calf let you sit down.
Speaker 14 (19:19):
I expect him to play, but its effectiveness throughout the game.
I don't think that Indiana should weigh in heavy on
it the way that they did last game. I think
it's something that they should explore TJ McConnell a little
bit more, just because one he was effective and they
took him out.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
I feel a little bit too early. But as a player,
when you have a.
Speaker 14 (19:43):
Calf strain, you have a hamstring strain, you have to
kind of tell your guys, I don't all the way
have it. I'm going to be out there for war.
I'm going to be out there, you know, from morale,
so that we can give the look that we've always given.
But at the end of the game, I can't push
how I need to push to get you guys there,
And I don't think that their teammate should expect anything
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from that.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Who does Sga remind you of?
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Ah?
Speaker 14 (20:11):
Sga is He's one of those guys that he reminds
me of you know, a couple of different guys put together.
But if you really break his game down, is Kobe
uh picking spots, getting the spots and having a counter
given getting to spots and playing with the pivot rather
than trying to use his athleticism every time he gets there,
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using the angles of the glass, the hanging time on
the jump shot, the jump shot that changes around the rim. Yeah,
it's it's it's pretty dead on with Kobe.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Was there a scouting report with Kobe?
Speaker 14 (20:50):
Yeah, the scout report was good luck. But Kobe, Kobe
was always one of those guys that the only scouting
report that you had on him was his dead zones.
So you have the zones on the floor that I'm
not gonna say dead zones, kill zones. He has the
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places on the floor that he's the most dangerous because
you start thinking about the array of moves, the array
of counters that he has, his ability to get you
into foul trouble when he gets you into these moments.
So you want to stay away from, you know, those
kill zones, and you want to stay away from earning
two fouls early if playing against somebody like Kobe, because
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it could end up a long night.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Who talked a lot like Kobe. Was he a chatty gun?
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Not at all?
Speaker 14 (21:42):
Kobe said what he needed to say, Well, I don't.
I wouldn't know. I never had a playoff war with him.
I've never gone back and forth with Kobe for a
long time. We had our very small tip the tap
back and forth, and then he was sort of make
his statement in the game will kind of.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Go how he said it would go.
Speaker 14 (22:05):
So I don't know how people heard me tell that
Kobe story, but yeah, it usually goes how Kobe says.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
We did win that game, but I don't think Kobe
ses sorry.
Speaker 14 (22:18):
The end of the we headed into the fourth quarter,
I'm playing really well.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
I got stealed.
Speaker 14 (22:25):
You know, I'm doing really well against him from my
standpoint as a rookie player coming into this league, always
wanting to go head up with somebody like this and saying, wow,
I actually deflected a pass, I got a stop, we
got stops, rebounds, I drove by him. I'm thinking of
all these positive things that I've done to play against this,
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you know, legendary laker. And then the end of the
third quarter comes, he comes out, he sits next to me,
puts his hands on his knees, not because he's tired,
just you know, I guess because he didn't want people
to know what was going on. And when I leaned down,
he tapped me on the leg and he said, YEA
had a great game, young fella.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
And my first reaction was, it's twelve.
Speaker 14 (23:11):
Minutes, the most disrespectful thing anybody's ever said to me, Like,
what do you mean by that? And yeah, after that,
Kobe he brought out the whole package. It was almost
as if to say, you know, he wasn't going one
hundred percent, but I know that now being older. He
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was just letting me know, you know, this is the
last game on this West Coast swing for US.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
Well it was either their last game or one of
the last.
Speaker 14 (23:42):
Games, but they on their East Coast swing for US,
and Kobe wasn't gonna, you know, go all out the
whole game. He was saving it for the last twelve
minutes to see if he could, you know, get another
win before they pack it up and go back to
LA And you know, understanding his professorism in that moment,
I didn't, which is you know why I told the
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story so animated, But as the years have gone on,
you start to understand that these older players usually have
just been around the block a few times. They understand
when to turn it on, when to turn it off,
and they understand the longevity of the game. Kobe Bryan
is one of the most ultimate professionals that I've gotten
to go again.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Aman Sheumper played ten seasons in the NBA and he's
co host at ESPN's digital pregame show it's called Hoop Streams.
The chances for the Pacers to make this to a
game seven or what.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
It's gonna be tough.
Speaker 14 (24:41):
I think that they have done an incredible job with
making sure that they are in games for forty eight minutes.
The times that you think that you've put them away,
they find ways.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
To cut the lead down.
Speaker 14 (24:56):
They can rush through a ten point lead quicker than
anybody I've seen do it in the NBA, stringing together stops.
They doing a great job of pressuring the ball, pressuring
the inbounds passes, so I never feel like they're out
of a game. So I'm happy when they're going home
to Indiana. But I don't know how good these chances
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can be. If Jalen Williams place like that, Jalen Williams
sees blood. I think that he's that previous year against
Dallas where he didn't have a great showing Game five.
He handled game five this year, and I can only
imagine that we're going to see more gas from his
foot as well as more gas from SGA, who made
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a conscious effort to distribute the ball last game, responsible
for his own thirty, but also very responsible and conscious
effort to make sure he swung it around, made sure
guy's got good looks and guys got you know, a
couple of shots at the rim. A couple of those
assists didn't go down right away, but they were able
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to get second chance rebounds due to them keeping the
balance floor. With those two playing like that, especially down
the stretch, and then playing small ball on the other
end to get stops, that is an extremely tough team
to beat, especially with chet Homer player well like that. Yeah,
that's in for a long night. I think this might
be over in six.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Doesn't sound like there's a long list of teams interested
in Kevin Durant. Why is that it does.
Speaker 14 (26:35):
We're talking about a thirty six year old. You're talking
about somebody that has had to suffer an injury that
you know it takes a little while to come back
from when you have a major injury, start talking about
your age, you start talking about how much are you
really willing to give up to get a Kevin Durant.
(26:56):
I think that a team has to be trying to
move into the director direction of win now. And there's
a lot of teams that though they want to win now,
they also want the longevity of saying we have a
core group that can stay together, that can grow together.
And I don't know how much at this age you
can expect growth.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
From a Kevin Durant. He sort of plays how he plays.
Speaker 14 (27:20):
He wants what he wants, and yeah, with other teams,
they're expecting a lot. You got to give up a
lot to give him, and you're wondering what that return
is on. Somebody that you know had that similar chance
in Phoenix and they couldn't get over the hump.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Are you prouder of your NBA Championship or you're Dancing
with the Stars champion?
Speaker 14 (27:45):
Well, my mother, my mother loves that Dancing with the
Stars trophy, but I will always love my NBA Championship
ring a whole lot more.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Can Lebron ever yell at you.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 14 (27:59):
I think that one of my favorite things from playing
with Lebron was though he had his moments where he
would yell or he would give out a command, Lebron
is very principled on first command. So there's times that
we've yelled at him and his response to it is
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a genuine energy burst for whatever you said he didn't do.
Like I've yelled Atbron and said, you know, you get
your ass back. I'll do what you I'll do what
you said down there, I got you, get your ass, bang.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
And get the block when I go for the strip.
When he double clutch, you get the block.
Speaker 14 (28:41):
And I think that's what makes him such a joy
to play with. He's willing to respond to an extra effort,
He's willing to do all that. But Lebron does demand.
He demands you to run hard. He demands you to
play hard, and you know.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
If you run through a wall him that it's a
mutual respect on that end.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Is there anything he could do that would supplant Michael
Jordan as the greatest of all time in your opinion?
Speaker 14 (29:10):
No, No, nothing Bron's I think Lebron is the greatest
of all time. He is the perfect example of a
basketball player. He has the physical makeup that nobody else
might ever get. You know, right hand, left hand, you
want drive, you want to jump shot, you want somebody
that's that knows the playbook. Of all the coaches in
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the NBA, I've never seen a basketball mind get to
meet up with such a dominant physical form ever before
Lebron James. So understanding that and understanding accolades, I completely
get it.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
It's just when you talk about how long it took.
Speaker 14 (29:50):
To catch Jordan's record, Jordan took a couple of years
off within getting this record. I can't put anybody past
Michael Jordan, just because I'm more ranking on winning and
how I felt having a player like that on my
favorite team. So Jordan will always be my goat. But
(30:11):
I totally understand the argument that happens. I think it's
even more special that I got to play with Lebron
and you know, be a part of that conversation people
will talk about all the time, like you guys are
hating on Lebron just because they wanted to be better
than Jordan and everybody. And I think it's a great conversation.
And I think Lebron Kobe's Steph. All of them understand
(30:35):
they have done their job and we are supposed to
have this barbershop talk about who is the greatest.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Okay, you think Jordan is the greatest of all time?
Speaker 14 (30:43):
Oh yeah, I'm home right now in Chicago. My mom's
still here. Yeah, Jordan, Jersey's everywhere.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Would you say that to Lebron if Lebron said.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
I've said it to Lebron.
Speaker 14 (30:53):
I don't know how many times I love I love Lebron,
I love him.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
That is That's my guy. We did our job together,
we got our ring.
Speaker 14 (31:03):
Yeah, they I've never changed my stance on the argument
of it.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
I used to argue with Mellow about stuff like this.
Speaker 14 (31:11):
I used to tell Melo he wouldn't be nothing if
he didn't get a championship. It was just my motivation
to him that that is what matters. That is the
only reason we are here. I don't know what makes you,
you know, get all jiggly as a little kid, but
I'm like that shiny championship ball is what we want.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
That. Larry O'Brien, Yeah, but you grew up in Chicago,
if you grew up if you grew up some other places,
aside from you know, Jordan's backyard with the bulls.
Speaker 14 (31:39):
Would you think I've never I've still never seen a
competitor like Michael Jordan. Again, I've somebody bringing the ball
down that could palm the ball at any time, plays
with an in and out package, goes right, goes left,
jump off one foot, jump off two foot, get to
his spot, have counters to everything.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
And be.
Speaker 14 (32:04):
You know, so so competitive that you make the All
Defensive team. I just and and do it in the
same year you get the MVP. I just with this guy.
I just loved the way it looked. I loved the
way uh he commanded respect. I love the way he
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stayed out of the media. You never really knew what
he thought, but you knew when he guaranteed we were
gonna win.
Speaker 10 (32:30):
Uh.
Speaker 14 (32:30):
There's a certain way that Michael Jordan did it that
I'll always be overly opinionated for him.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Don't you wish you could have guarded him?
Speaker 5 (32:38):
I do.
Speaker 14 (32:39):
I wish I could have went out a lot of people,
especially without blowing my ACL. I really, you know, never
got to move ninety four feet how I wanted to
ever again after blowing my ACL.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
But the.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
But you know, playing against Kobe and what Kobe could do,
and it's better than Kobe.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 14 (33:03):
I would have loved, you know, to just get out
there and you know, put my.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Best foot forward, so to speak.
Speaker 14 (33:10):
But the cool thing is I probably would have guarded
Mike a lot better than I could guard Kobe, just
because I studied Mike Moore. When people used to think
all the time that when I was playing defense on
somebody that it was because I was a great defender,
and I used to tell them actually being a defender
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sometimes being an ultimate fan. I was an ultimate fan
of basketball. But I'm also a huge Lebron fan. I'm
a huge Kobe fan. I'm a huge Kevin Durant fan.
I'm a fan of Kyrie, like though he's my classman.
It's like I'm a fan of how you play the game,
how you attack the game, And if you watch enough highlights.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
You start to pick up on tendencies.
Speaker 14 (33:55):
If you watch enough of their their game film, you
start to see what they're plan is as far as
getting themselves going.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
And I just did my job to take it away.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Good to talk to you. I hope you finding a
home there in the media. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Appreciate Chod.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
That's Simon Schumpert. He of course won an NBA title.
More importantly, he also won Dancing with the Stars. You
can catch him on hoop streams. That'll be tomorrow night.
That'll be ESPN's YouTube channel, Facebook the ESPN A. All right,
well take a break, get phone calls coming up, new
poll question as well. We're back after this.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern, six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
You know where I went recently. This has nothing to
do with anything today, but I went to the Chelsea
Hotel in New York City. Sick so that famous for
all the rock stars that would go there stay there.
Legendary rocks stars were there and didn't sit in Nancy
(35:03):
did They said Vicious died there. I know that they
stayed there. I don't know if they overdose there, but
Hendricks would be there, Jagger would be there, Dylan would
be there, and they've redone the Chelsea Hotel. The lobby
is wonderful, beautiful, the bar area beautiful. But I was
just in there and I was taking my kids I
(35:25):
said we should go in the Chelsea Hotel, and they
were like, nobody goes in there. I go, No, they
just renovated it, and you go in and it's gorgeous inside,
and the bar was wonderful, and you start to talk
about the history and got pictures there and used to
be a pretty special place. But it got run down
and then you had people who wouldn't move out because
(35:47):
it was rent controlled and you'd pee it there in
the part of the city paying a couple hundred dollars.
People were there for decades, never moved down. So Chelsea Hotel.
Speaker 11 (35:57):
Yeah, Pauline, Yes, said Vicious from the sex Pistols in
the late seventies. He allegedly killed his girlfriend Nancy at
that hotel.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
He sponging, yes, and then he died.
Speaker 11 (36:05):
He didn't die at the hotel, but he died less
than a year later before trial.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
I think, right, Yes, Okay. A couple of phone calls
here zach and Knoxville. Welcome back, zach.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
Tha, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Can you hear me bout it?
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I got you all right, all right?
Speaker 13 (36:23):
Tell Marv not to hit that button. He showed heo
tawnied me yesterday I didn't actually get to get my point.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I got a little after one inning.
Speaker 13 (36:30):
But I just want to say that I wonder how
how much we talk about dynasties and how often just
a great team gets lost in the sauce, like an
eighty five Bears or ninety one Redskins eighty six Giants.
You think we put too much emphasis on the dynasty.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Well, no, because we talk about the eighty five Bears.
They got far more credit than they deserved. They won
one time. We should be looking at what they didn't
do instead of what they did do. The Giants team
that was a great team as well, So I think
sometimes we do focus on that one and done, But
it's because you think that they should be winning more.
(37:12):
The eighty six Mets. What an unbelievably talented team. They won,
but they needed Bill Buckner's error for them to get
to a seventh game. So I think sometimes we overlook
the team that is overrated. Sometimes we don't focus in
on and the Bears were dominating, but they should have
(37:33):
continued to dominate. Yeah, Paul, I thought.
Speaker 11 (37:36):
That Washington Redskins note he had was interesting because the
Redskins won three Super Bowls between eighty two and ninety one.
The constant was their head coach, Joe Gibbs.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
But they did it with.
Speaker 11 (37:45):
Three different quarterbacks and only one of them became a
Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Thisman yes and Ripping Yep and Jay Shrader a Schrader.
Speaker 11 (37:54):
Shell almost get more credit for doing it with less.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Is thiseman in the Hall of Fame? He didn't have
great numbers? Even he didn't win an MVP. Mark Moseley
was the kicker who won the MVP.
Speaker 11 (38:09):
Is not in the Hall of Fame. He's got an
MVP as a player.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah, and he didn't have great numbers.
Speaker 11 (38:15):
He has won Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Well, he also lost his Super Bowl.
Speaker 11 (38:18):
Yeah, boy, if it was the football Hall of Fame
for college and pro, he might be in.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (38:24):
Yes, Todd, you could win multiple titles in a row
and still not get enough credit. And with Constanta, Like
look the Lakers in two thousand and two thousand and two,
how often have we said him on this show? It's
like they should have won even more and then Shaq
and Kobe went separate ways and we're on.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah. I brought it up many times that we would
remember for what they didn't do instead of what they
did do. You had to me that that could have
been the greatest two man dynasty of all time if
you look at what they could have been together, just
trying to coexist. You know, Scotty and Mike were great,
but they weren't shacking Kobe. If you look at the
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possibilities of those two dominating and continuing to dominate. And
I don't want to get into this, well, okay, Jordan
and Pippen versus you know, Scotty and I mean Kobe
and Shack are going to win that because nobody can
guard Shack. You know, Scotty's wonderful, but all of a sudden,
Shack could be good. Out of my way a little man, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 6 (39:22):
Yeah, I think what kills Lakers fans is that when
the Lakers won their three peat, Kobe Bryant was twenty
three years old. That's what's killing people. It's like, wait,
he was twenty three and Shaq was me thirty.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, thank you Zach for the phone called Derek in
La Hi, Derek, what's on your mind?
Speaker 9 (39:39):
Hey dpte eybun first time, long time five ten and
a declining to twenty five. I just wanted to touch base.
I think you guys hit the nail on the head
with the dynasty is it's got to be a sustained excellence.
And the Giants in the early tens they missed the
(40:03):
playoffs and they've only made the playoffs twice then, so
you know, I don't think you can consider them a
dynasty at all.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Now, that was my argument, that you've got to make
the playoffs the other years that you're not winning a championship.
I don't think you can win a title not make
the playoffs, win a title, not make the playoffs and
great achievement. And you know, maybe I'm being a dynasty
snob here, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
Are the Giants Marlins esque?
Speaker 2 (40:30):
The Marlins won twice though in what five years?
Speaker 6 (40:34):
Yeah, but they didn't make the playoffs the other years.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah, but the Giants won three times in five years.
Speaker 6 (40:39):
Still impressive. I know it's out a dynasty according to Fritzi.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Fritzi doesn't even know what his definition tout. All right,
two hours in the books on this Wednesday, one more
to go, Yes, the Minister of Humor also Seaton Marv
Paully yours truly final hour Right after this
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Our two.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
On this Wednesday, Dan and the Dan Nets Dan Patrick Show.
No basketball tonight, but as we look ahead to Thursday night,
Game six, you have the Indiana Pacers at home as
six and a half point underdogs, And if you're curious,
the over under for Shay Gilgis Alexander is thirty three
and a half. It feels like it's been thirty three
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or thirty four and a half every single game. Not
expecting a big scoring output for Tyrese Halliburton. The over
under right now according to DraftKings thirteen and a half
points eight, seven to seven to three. DP Show email
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the Day has always brought to you by Panini America,
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Florida Panthers. This is how it sounded last night, down
to the final five seconds.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Thatt's rained down Lord Stanley's staying in South Florida last
year was greatness. This time it's historic. The Florida Panthers
hurt back to back. Stanley Doc Jippios.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I'm gonna guess their play by play guy had plenty
of time to get ready for those final ten seconds
because they dominated it. You know, the statistical domination here.
So first back to back champs since the Lightning in
twenty twenty one. But Florida held the lead for two
hundred and fifty five almost two hundred and fifty six
(01:27):
minutes of play during the Stanley Cup Final. That's the
most of any team in the history of the sport.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Stata, the J Stata, the JA we Love your Stata,
the day Stata, the J Stanta, the j oh damn
give us that stat of the day.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
By the way Stata. That's Pandora. I just got some
gifts in the mail from Pandora, and she sent a
picture of her herself. She sent us some honey that
she made, some salsa that she made. And I think
when her picture came up on the screen when I
showed Pandora to the dan Eds, Marvin's the one who
(02:12):
guessed that that was Pandora. I think we were surprised
that that was Pandora. Yes, Marvin, were you because she
looks just like how I thought she would really m hm,
oh yeah, give us. I thought that she would be
thirty years older.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Like that.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I did not think that that was Pandora.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
I think he looks like she's aging great and she
went to a little fair in nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 7 (02:38):
Agree, I think she looks great.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
She looks a whole lot better than she sings. I
think we can agree on that now. I'm fine with
the voice. I'm fine with the you know, kind of
the seductive tone that he sultry. Yes, if we get
to Vegas, when we get to Vegas again, yeah, I
would like to get a piano and I would like
(03:04):
for her to be on top of the piano and
then just singing that to me as I play stat
of the day. It's all about content. Who's with me? Okay, Todd,
I'm sure you are in Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:23):
Wait, huh yeah, team player, Okay, I'm minute for the Yeah,
it's it's content there, yes, Marmon.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
But you can't put that type of content on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Why not come with a warning?
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Okay, oh, Dan give it.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
She looks a whole lot different than I thought. Yeah,
I thought she was going to be somebody my age.
Speaker 8 (03:46):
It's really nice for her to send those gifts.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I was wonderful, you know, homemade salsa and honey they
got the Pandora hot honey.
Speaker 7 (03:57):
Yeah, yeah, I have their own ranch.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I'm all in, all in, thank you, Pandora. I'm very
sweet of you, very thought. Yeah, thank you to uh.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
We love you status.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I think her husband encouraged her to sound that way.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Honey, that was great, but hotter.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Than yeah, more seductive, that would be great.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
Give me Jewel Circle nineteen ninety eight. Come on, Jewel,
alrighty give me Lilith Fair, give me more Lilith.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I didn't think of Lilith Fair, but she sounds like Jewel. No,
she doesn't.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Come.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Jewel is a great artist.
Speaker 9 (04:58):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
I didn't say about the singing, but I I felt
like more of kind of the sult Stree esque, all.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Right, eight seven seven three DP show email address Dpadanpatrick
dot com, Twitter handle at DP show. We don't know
the status of Tyre's Halliburton and his strained calf. That's
the kind of thing that you normally sit out, you
don't play. But they're going to have an MRI this
morning on it. I'm going to imagine, according to Rick Carlisle,
(05:32):
that he was planning on having him play. I just
don't know. I still don't understand why he played the
second half of that game knowing that you can come
back home, you can be healthier win this game. And
now all bets are off when it's a game seven.
But Halliburton is probably going to be hampered. He can't
be one hundred percent, but you need him to be
(05:53):
at least seventy five percent because what And I was
watching this with a former coach and he was showing
me some things and he said, Halliburton will go east
to west. He said, I don't want my point guard
going east to west on offense. He's got to go
more north to south. Sga goes north to south. He's
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going to get in the lane. Halliburton has to go
north south. But given this calf, he's going to be
limited at being able to do this. It might be
somebody else who is going to have like TJ. McConnell
has to go north south. Halliburton can still be in
the lineup, but he can't be your primary balk handler.
But that was a former coach, college coach who was
(06:36):
talking to me about that yesterday. Poll question hour two
Seaton is going to be what.
Speaker 8 (06:41):
Our one we got up there today.
Speaker 7 (06:43):
I feel bad for oilers fans Connor McDavid Canada or
Tyre's Halliburton.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Hm, I feel bad for Canada. I mean, at least
give you some drama, least give you a seven game series.
At least give you something where you you know what
we were in this you really weren't. As Steve Leeby
joined us. It was a six, six game sweep. That
was a real no show last night too. This was tough.
(07:09):
The last couple of games have been no shows. And
you know there's a big difference. You've got two great
players on one team and then you have a great team.
Florida is a great team top to bottom they are
and Marshand is wonderful to watch. He's just one of
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those guys you want him on your team and you
don't want to play against him. But congrats as you
have entered the Dynasty conversation. By the way, Lebron James
was talking about how we're infatuated with winning championships. I
don't know what because there's always a message, you know,
with whatever he's saying, there's always something behind what he's saying.
(07:51):
So he's on his podcast, Mind the Game podcast with
Steve Nash, and he had this to say about our
obsession with chammpionship rings.
Speaker 10 (08:01):
I don't know why I've discussed so much in our sport,
and why is the all be all of everything. You
sit here and tell me, you know, Alan I Everson
and Charles Barkley and Steve Nash, you know, you know,
wasn't unbelievable, like, oh, they can't be talked about or
(08:22):
discussed with these guys.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Is because this guy.
Speaker 10 (08:24):
One one ring or one two rings or one like it.
It's just weird to me. It's like Sam Peyton Manning
can't be in the same room with Brady or telling
me that Dan Marino is not the greatest slinger of
all time, or he can't be in a room with
those guys because he didn't win a championship. They don't
discuss those things. What's Lebron really saying here?
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Now?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I get the overall picture, and we've brought this up
many times that we are obsessed where a bottom line
sports society, and the bottom line is winning a championship.
And that's why I've been a big proponent of the
Buffalo bill greatness and the Minnesota Vikings back in the seventies.
They got to the Super Bowl, Yes, they lost, but
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they got there, and there's something to be said for that.
But that's how we define greatness. It gets open to
interpretation until you get to the bottom line of winning championships.
If Tim Duncan's on another team doesn't win an NBA title,
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is he a Hall of Famer? Is he one of
the top ten fifteen players of all time? Probably not.
But if you have those championships, I have to count those.
There are guys who have titles who aren't as good
as guys who don't have titles. You get elevated because
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of your titles. Is Lebron saying just because I don't
have six titles doesn't mean I can't be the goat?
Now once again, I'm going to read into this a
little bit more because I don't think Lebron is just
sticking up for everybody on winning championships or not winning championships.
It feels like he might say, Hey, I got all
(10:10):
the stats, I've got everything, and I've got four titles.
I don't have six, but I've got four. Why can't
I be the greatest of all time? Whether he is
saying this or not, That's the first thing I thought of,
is what is the ulterior motive of saying this, Yes, Paul,
it felt.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
More to me.
Speaker 11 (10:27):
My first reaction was Lebron's just critiquing the extreme media
people that are end all be all with titles, with
people that if they don't have a title, they're a failure,
or a season without an appearance in a title game
is a failure. I thought he's calling out hot take
media people MM that he watches day to day or
listens to day to day.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
That's another thing. If you don't like these hot take
guys like Charles Barkley couldn't stand Skip Bayless, then why
are you watching Skip Baylet's It's not like you go
downstairs into your living room and the TV comes on
and then you go, I can't get away from this.
You choose to turn on and listen to these guys? Yes, yes, time.
Speaker 12 (11:06):
I mean you could always say someone told me or
it popped up on my phone. I wasn't seeking out
that I'll watch these shows. It was brought to my attention,
and that's how you hide behind that.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yes, but it feels like Charles Barkley was always watching
Skip Bayless because he hated Skip Bayless.
Speaker 7 (11:21):
Yes, yeah, I could see maybe Charles was always watching
Skip Bayless because it seems like he would enjoy hate
watching somebody. But if you're somebody like Lebron James, I
do think that that type of media finds you, you know,
I don't think that he has to sit down, like
wake up in the morning, go down to his kitchen
and turn on whatever show is on.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (11:43):
I think that stuff just ends up in his phone.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
You know, it's amazing what ends up on our phone.
Speaker 8 (11:49):
Everything does.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yes, because you don't have to watch a WNBA game,
but you're gonna be inundated with Caitlin Clark. Correct, even
if you don't, you're not you don't, you're not concerned,
you don't like you will get Caitlin Clark. I don't,
and especially this morning after there was a couple of
altercations in last night's game.
Speaker 8 (12:10):
Yeah, Seed, I don't watch the WNBA.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
If truth be told, I'm nearly not all that interested
in Caitlyn Clark or like the rivalries or really any
of those storylines. I'm not all that interested in Angel
Reese or whatever is going on. And it's my entire
social media. I don't search it out, I don't look
for it. I don't google stats. I don't do anything
even remotely related to women's basketball, and it's seventy five
(12:33):
percent of my social media.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Well, on Sunday with the US Open, one website had
one article about the US Open, and I think five
articles about Caitlin Clark's performance against the Liberty might have
been more than that, might have been like six or
seven articles on that and just one on the US Open.
I mean, this is what you know, kind of being
(12:58):
a sports fan is nowadays, it's what's on my phone. Well,
then that must be the most popular thing going on,
or I need to know more about this just because
they're trying to get clicks, and then more clicks, it's
going to be even more prominent. And then if they
realize that you're digesting this, consuming this, let's put out
even more of that. Like Shador Sanders, people are interested.
(13:22):
They're interested, or they wouldn't keep putting this out. Micah
Parsons contract, they're interested. That's why you put it out.
It's the other thing that they don't put out, and
they should be covering We should be covering sports, but
unfortunately we don't. We play the hits, or networks play
(13:43):
the hits I try. I play what interests me, and
hopefully what interests me interests you or a guest that
can accompany that. But you know, I get it with Lebron,
you don't have to watch a Laker game, and I
could pretty much go from social media, what's going on
with Lebron? James Luka, Doncik's wait. You know, these are
the things that make you click, things that make you
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go click.
Speaker 11 (14:06):
Yes, Pauli, you're absolutely right about the cycle of it,
and would it be a Caitlin Clark play or a
play of Shad or Sanders. These websites task their young
employees with pumping out content that feeds that beast. You know,
So when there isn't a story about Clark or whoever
it may be, they find one, they create one, and
they do it. And because it it's the anger and
the ire of people, and they click on it, either
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to hate read it or read it and comment on it.
It feeds that if you ever want it to stop,
you stop clicking, you stop commenting, they'll stop doing.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I had somebody from the Mothership who's a friend, and
he said, why do you critique our rundown and stories
that we cover? I said, because I used to be there.
I mean, I know what goes on there. And Shadoor
Sanders in June, Dak Prescott's legacy in June, and he says,
we're serving our audience. I said, well, it's like serving
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them and the same thing, because they don't know there's
another restaurant, like, hey, here's McDonald's. Man, this is great.
Then all of a sudden you give them another meal
and you go, wait a minute, I didn't know about this.
Speaker 13 (15:11):
You do.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
You're serving them, but are you serving them or over
serving them? Yes, Pauling, that's exactly it.
Speaker 11 (15:17):
It's an overserving based off the analytics. And if something
doesn't get clicks, it does not get coverage. Like you said,
I was reading a sports website and their feed on Sunday,
it's like no updates on the US Open Up, pretty
major sporting event on a Sunday, and tons on other
things that had nothing to do, third string quarterbacks and
so forth.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
And you know, Caitlin Clark is going to get more
coverage than Tyrese Halliburton and the Pacers and needing to
win this game, and it's not her, it's just they
know that that will get clicks. And it won't be
nobody's going to talk about how many points she scored
last night. They won't. They'll show you a couple of
incidents there where there was some pushing and shoving and
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some hard fouls there. It's just like when Kate and
had that unbelievable performance against the Liberty. I don't think
anybody mentioned that Sabrina Einesque had thirty four points in
that game because nobody cares.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
As Marv, nobody knew the Liberty was undefeated.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, no, you're right, yes, yes, Ton.
Speaker 12 (16:16):
It's also a societal thing and just the negative out
shining unfortunately the positive. If you're watching the evening news
or the late news or Scott Van Pelt Sports anyway,
you know one good thing that gets a little thing
at the very end, one mentioned about something that can
be very uplifting. Same thing on the news. They'll take
one minute at the very end to share something positive
about eleven year old that just became a neurosurgeon. And
everything else's bombs and explosions and horrific things that happened.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Well, I think it's mandatory to end your news with
something positive. Having been in local news not very long
by the way I didn't get the job, but you'd
always have to have, you know, Sally and Jimmy and
they would have And tonight we leave you with and
then it'll be you know, some little ducklings walking across
the street or something. You know, they're like, good night,
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we'll see you at eleven.
Speaker 11 (17:02):
Yes, I worked down the hall at CBS News from
the CBS News TV department, and there was a guy
who's a producer. His job was to find the feel good.
They called it the feel good and they ended every
Dan Rather broadcast with a bunch of ducks were saved
in Nova Scotia and whatever it may be, as long
as they had video for a feel good.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
And then Dan Rather would say, courage. Yeah, that was weird. Courage,
look it to yourselves on each other, roll tig, just
take a break. We'll have more in the NBA Finals,
The Pivotal Game seven six, I should say, the Pivotal
Game six coming up. Eman Schumpert, who does some NBA work,
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award of Best Dress today. So thanks for showing us
up there. And mon, how are you today? I'm doing well,
I'm doing great. Can you explain to our audience the
difference for what a calf strain means to an NBA
player and how that might affect Haliburton tomorrow night.
Speaker 14 (18:45):
When we talk about a calf stray, we talk about
a hamstring stray. Those are two things that if we
think back to when Kevin Durant tried to go out
there before that calf are always recovered. Right, You're putting
yourself in position of one hurt yourself for the long term.
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But when we talk about a game that's valuable and
you talk about competing, it's hard to turn your head
and say that you'll let a hamstring or a.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Calf let you sit down.
Speaker 14 (19:19):
I expect him to play, but its effectiveness throughout the game.
I don't think that Indiana should weigh in heavy on
it the way that they did last game. I think
it's something that they should explore TJ McConnell a little
bit more, just because one he was effective and they
took him out.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
I feel a little bit too early. But as a player,
when you have a.
Speaker 14 (19:43):
Calf strain, you have a hamstring strain, you have to
kind of tell your guys, I don't all the way
have it. I'm going to be out there for war.
I'm going to be out there, you know, from morale,
so that we can give the look that we've always given.
But at the end of the game, I can't push
how I need to push to get you guys there,
And I don't think that their teammate should expect anything
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from that.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Who does Sga remind you of?
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Ah?
Speaker 14 (20:11):
Sga is He's one of those guys that he reminds
me of you know, a couple of different guys put together.
But if you really break his game down, is Kobe
uh picking spots, getting the spots and having a counter
given getting to spots and playing with the pivot rather
than trying to use his athleticism every time he gets there,
(20:34):
using the angles of the glass, the hanging time on
the jump shot, the jump shot that changes around the rim. Yeah,
it's it's it's pretty dead on with Kobe.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Was there a scouting report with Kobe?
Speaker 14 (20:50):
Yeah, the scout report was good luck. But Kobe, Kobe
was always one of those guys that the only scouting
report that you had on him was his dead zones.
So you have the zones on the floor that I'm
not gonna say dead zones, kill zones. He has the
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places on the floor that he's the most dangerous because
you start thinking about the array of moves, the array
of counters that he has, his ability to get you
into foul trouble when he gets you into these moments.
So you want to stay away from, you know, those
kill zones, and you want to stay away from earning
two fouls early if playing against somebody like Kobe, because
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it could end up a long night.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Who talked a lot like Kobe. Was he a chatty gun?
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Not at all?
Speaker 14 (21:42):
Kobe said what he needed to say, Well, I don't.
I wouldn't know. I never had a playoff war with him.
I've never gone back and forth with Kobe for a
long time. We had our very small tip the tap
back and forth, and then he was sort of make
his statement in the game will kind of.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Go how he said it would go.
Speaker 14 (22:05):
So I don't know how people heard me tell that
Kobe story, but yeah, it usually goes how Kobe says.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
We did win that game, but I don't think Kobe
ses sorry.
Speaker 14 (22:18):
The end of the we headed into the fourth quarter,
I'm playing really well.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
I got stealed.
Speaker 14 (22:25):
You know, I'm doing really well against him from my
standpoint as a rookie player coming into this league, always
wanting to go head up with somebody like this and saying, wow,
I actually deflected a pass, I got a stop, we
got stops, rebounds, I drove by him. I'm thinking of
all these positive things that I've done to play against this,
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you know, legendary laker. And then the end of the
third quarter comes, he comes out, he sits next to me,
puts his hands on his knees, not because he's tired,
just you know, I guess because he didn't want people
to know what was going on. And when I leaned down,
he tapped me on the leg and he said, YEA
had a great game, young fella.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
And my first reaction was, it's twelve.
Speaker 14 (23:11):
Minutes, the most disrespectful thing anybody's ever said to me, Like,
what do you mean by that? And yeah, after that,
Kobe he brought out the whole package. It was almost
as if to say, you know, he wasn't going one
hundred percent, but I know that now being older. He
(23:32):
was just letting me know, you know, this is the
last game on this West Coast swing for US.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
Well it was either their last game or one of
the last.
Speaker 14 (23:42):
Games, but they on their East Coast swing for US,
and Kobe wasn't gonna, you know, go all out the
whole game. He was saving it for the last twelve
minutes to see if he could, you know, get another
win before they pack it up and go back to
LA And you know, understanding his professorism in that moment,
I didn't, which is you know why I told the
(24:05):
story so animated, But as the years have gone on,
you start to understand that these older players usually have
just been around the block a few times. They understand
when to turn it on, when to turn it off,
and they understand the longevity of the game. Kobe Bryan
is one of the most ultimate professionals that I've gotten
to go again.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Aman Sheumper played ten seasons in the NBA and he's
co host at ESPN's digital pregame show it's called Hoop Streams.
The chances for the Pacers to make this to a
game seven or what.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
It's gonna be tough.
Speaker 14 (24:41):
I think that they have done an incredible job with
making sure that they are in games for forty eight minutes.
The times that you think that you've put them away,
they find ways.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
To cut the lead down.
Speaker 14 (24:56):
They can rush through a ten point lead quicker than
anybody I've seen do it in the NBA, stringing together stops.
They doing a great job of pressuring the ball, pressuring
the inbounds passes, so I never feel like they're out
of a game. So I'm happy when they're going home
to Indiana. But I don't know how good these chances
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can be. If Jalen Williams place like that, Jalen Williams
sees blood. I think that he's that previous year against
Dallas where he didn't have a great showing Game five.
He handled game five this year, and I can only
imagine that we're going to see more gas from his
foot as well as more gas from SGA, who made
(25:45):
a conscious effort to distribute the ball last game, responsible
for his own thirty, but also very responsible and conscious
effort to make sure he swung it around, made sure
guy's got good looks and guys got you know, a
couple of shots at the rim. A couple of those
assists didn't go down right away, but they were able
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to get second chance rebounds due to them keeping the
balance floor. With those two playing like that, especially down
the stretch, and then playing small ball on the other
end to get stops, that is an extremely tough team
to beat, especially with chet Homer player well like that. Yeah,
that's in for a long night. I think this might
be over in six.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Doesn't sound like there's a long list of teams interested
in Kevin Durant. Why is that it does.
Speaker 14 (26:35):
We're talking about a thirty six year old. You're talking
about somebody that has had to suffer an injury that
you know it takes a little while to come back
from when you have a major injury, start talking about
your age, you start talking about how much are you
really willing to give up to get a Kevin Durant.
(26:56):
I think that a team has to be trying to
move into the director direction of win now. And there's
a lot of teams that though they want to win now,
they also want the longevity of saying we have a
core group that can stay together, that can grow together.
And I don't know how much at this age you
can expect growth.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
From a Kevin Durant. He sort of plays how he plays.
Speaker 14 (27:20):
He wants what he wants, and yeah, with other teams,
they're expecting a lot. You got to give up a
lot to give him, and you're wondering what that return
is on. Somebody that you know had that similar chance
in Phoenix and they couldn't get over the hump.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Are you prouder of your NBA Championship or you're Dancing
with the Stars champion?
Speaker 14 (27:45):
Well, my mother, my mother loves that Dancing with the
Stars trophy, but I will always love my NBA Championship
ring a whole lot more.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Can Lebron ever yell at you.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 14 (27:59):
I think that one of my favorite things from playing
with Lebron was though he had his moments where he
would yell or he would give out a command, Lebron
is very principled on first command. So there's times that
we've yelled at him and his response to it is
(28:20):
a genuine energy burst for whatever you said he didn't do.
Like I've yelled Atbron and said, you know, you get
your ass back. I'll do what you I'll do what
you said down there, I got you, get your ass, bang.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
And get the block when I go for the strip.
When he double clutch, you get the block.
Speaker 14 (28:41):
And I think that's what makes him such a joy
to play with. He's willing to respond to an extra effort,
He's willing to do all that. But Lebron does demand.
He demands you to run hard. He demands you to
play hard, and you know.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
If you run through a wall him that it's a
mutual respect on that end.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Is there anything he could do that would supplant Michael
Jordan as the greatest of all time in your opinion?
Speaker 14 (29:10):
No, No, nothing Bron's I think Lebron is the greatest
of all time. He is the perfect example of a
basketball player. He has the physical makeup that nobody else
might ever get. You know, right hand, left hand, you
want drive, you want to jump shot, you want somebody
that's that knows the playbook. Of all the coaches in
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the NBA, I've never seen a basketball mind get to
meet up with such a dominant physical form ever before
Lebron James. So understanding that and understanding accolades, I completely
get it.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
It's just when you talk about how long it took.
Speaker 14 (29:50):
To catch Jordan's record, Jordan took a couple of years
off within getting this record. I can't put anybody past
Michael Jordan, just because I'm more ranking on winning and
how I felt having a player like that on my
favorite team. So Jordan will always be my goat. But
(30:11):
I totally understand the argument that happens. I think it's
even more special that I got to play with Lebron
and you know, be a part of that conversation people
will talk about all the time, like you guys are
hating on Lebron just because they wanted to be better
than Jordan and everybody. And I think it's a great conversation.
And I think Lebron Kobe's Steph. All of them understand
(30:35):
they have done their job and we are supposed to
have this barbershop talk about who is the greatest.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Okay, you think Jordan is the greatest of all time?
Speaker 14 (30:43):
Oh yeah, I'm home right now in Chicago. My mom's
still here. Yeah, Jordan, Jersey's everywhere.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Would you say that to Lebron if Lebron said.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
I've said it to Lebron.
Speaker 14 (30:53):
I don't know how many times I love I love Lebron,
I love him.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
That is That's my guy. We did our job together,
we got our ring.
Speaker 14 (31:03):
Yeah, they I've never changed my stance on the argument
of it.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
I used to argue with Mellow about stuff like this.
Speaker 14 (31:11):
I used to tell Melo he wouldn't be nothing if
he didn't get a championship. It was just my motivation
to him that that is what matters. That is the
only reason we are here. I don't know what makes you,
you know, get all jiggly as a little kid, but
I'm like that shiny championship ball is what we want.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
That. Larry O'Brien, Yeah, but you grew up in Chicago,
if you grew up if you grew up some other places,
aside from you know, Jordan's backyard with the bulls.
Speaker 14 (31:39):
Would you think I've never I've still never seen a
competitor like Michael Jordan. Again, I've somebody bringing the ball
down that could palm the ball at any time, plays
with an in and out package, goes right, goes left,
jump off one foot, jump off two foot, get to
his spot, have counters to everything.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
And be.
Speaker 14 (32:04):
You know, so so competitive that you make the All
Defensive team. I just and and do it in the
same year you get the MVP. I just with this guy.
I just loved the way it looked. I loved the
way uh he commanded respect. I love the way he
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stayed out of the media. You never really knew what
he thought, but you knew when he guaranteed we were
gonna win.
Speaker 10 (32:30):
Uh.
Speaker 14 (32:30):
There's a certain way that Michael Jordan did it that
I'll always be overly opinionated for him.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Don't you wish you could have guarded him?
Speaker 5 (32:38):
I do.
Speaker 14 (32:39):
I wish I could have went out a lot of people,
especially without blowing my ACL. I really, you know, never
got to move ninety four feet how I wanted to
ever again after blowing my ACL.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
But the.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
But you know, playing against Kobe and what Kobe could do,
and it's better than Kobe.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 14 (33:03):
I would have loved, you know, to just get out
there and you know, put my.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Best foot forward, so to speak.
Speaker 14 (33:10):
But the cool thing is I probably would have guarded
Mike a lot better than I could guard Kobe, just
because I studied Mike Moore. When people used to think
all the time that when I was playing defense on
somebody that it was because I was a great defender,
and I used to tell them actually being a defender
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sometimes being an ultimate fan. I was an ultimate fan
of basketball. But I'm also a huge Lebron fan. I'm
a huge Kobe fan. I'm a huge Kevin Durant fan.
I'm a fan of Kyrie, like though he's my classman.
It's like I'm a fan of how you play the game,
how you attack the game, And if you watch enough highlights.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
You start to pick up on tendencies.
Speaker 14 (33:55):
If you watch enough of their their game film, you
start to see what they're plan is as far as
getting themselves going.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
And I just did my job to take it away.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Good to talk to you. I hope you finding a
home there in the media. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Appreciate Chod.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
That's Simon Schumpert. He of course won an NBA title.
More importantly, he also won Dancing with the Stars. You
can catch him on hoop streams. That'll be tomorrow night.
That'll be ESPN's YouTube channel, Facebook the ESPN A. All right,
well take a break, get phone calls coming up, new
poll question as well. We're back after this.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (34:43):
You know where I went recently. This has nothing to
do with anything today, but I went to the Chelsea
Hotel in New York City. Sick so that famous for
all the rock stars that would go there stay there.
Legendary rocks stars were there and didn't sit in Nancy
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did They said Vicious died there. I know that they
stayed there. I don't know if they overdose there, but
Hendricks would be there, Jagger would be there, Dylan would
be there, and they've redone the Chelsea Hotel. The lobby
is wonderful, beautiful, the bar area beautiful. But I was
just in there and I was taking my kids I
(35:25):
said we should go in the Chelsea Hotel, and they
were like, nobody goes in there. I go, No, they
just renovated it, and you go in and it's gorgeous inside,
and the bar was wonderful, and you start to talk
about the history and got pictures there and used to
be a pretty special place. But it got run down
and then you had people who wouldn't move out because
(35:47):
it was rent controlled and you'd pee it there in
the part of the city paying a couple hundred dollars.
People were there for decades, never moved down. So Chelsea Hotel.
Speaker 11 (35:57):
Yeah, Pauline, Yes, said Vicious from the sex Pistols in
the late seventies. He allegedly killed his girlfriend Nancy at
that hotel.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
He sponging, yes, and then he died.
Speaker 11 (36:05):
He didn't die at the hotel, but he died less
than a year later before trial.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
I think, right, Yes, Okay. A couple of phone calls
here zach and Knoxville. Welcome back, zach.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
Tha, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Can you hear me bout it?
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I got you all right, all right?
Speaker 13 (36:23):
Tell Marv not to hit that button. He showed heo
tawnied me yesterday I didn't actually get to get my point.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I got a little after one inning.
Speaker 13 (36:30):
But I just want to say that I wonder how
how much we talk about dynasties and how often just
a great team gets lost in the sauce, like an
eighty five Bears or ninety one Redskins eighty six Giants.
You think we put too much emphasis on the dynasty.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Well, no, because we talk about the eighty five Bears.
They got far more credit than they deserved. They won
one time. We should be looking at what they didn't
do instead of what they did do. The Giants team
that was a great team as well, So I think
sometimes we do focus on that one and done, But
it's because you think that they should be winning more.
(37:12):
The eighty six Mets. What an unbelievably talented team. They won,
but they needed Bill Buckner's error for them to get
to a seventh game. So I think sometimes we overlook
the team that is overrated. Sometimes we don't focus in
on and the Bears were dominating, but they should have
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continued to dominate. Yeah, Paul, I thought.
Speaker 11 (37:36):
That Washington Redskins note he had was interesting because the
Redskins won three Super Bowls between eighty two and ninety one.
The constant was their head coach, Joe Gibbs.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
But they did it with.
Speaker 11 (37:45):
Three different quarterbacks and only one of them became a
Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Thisman yes and Ripping Yep and Jay Shrader a Schrader.
Speaker 11 (37:54):
Shell almost get more credit for doing it with less.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Is thiseman in the Hall of Fame? He didn't have
great numbers? Even he didn't win an MVP. Mark Moseley
was the kicker who won the MVP.
Speaker 11 (38:09):
Is not in the Hall of Fame. He's got an
MVP as a player.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah, and he didn't have great numbers.
Speaker 11 (38:15):
He has won Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Well, he also lost his Super Bowl.
Speaker 11 (38:18):
Yeah, boy, if it was the football Hall of Fame
for college and pro, he might be in.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (38:24):
Yes, Todd, you could win multiple titles in a row
and still not get enough credit. And with Constanta, Like
look the Lakers in two thousand and two thousand and two,
how often have we said him on this show? It's
like they should have won even more and then Shaq
and Kobe went separate ways and we're on.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah. I brought it up many times that we would
remember for what they didn't do instead of what they
did do. You had to me that that could have
been the greatest two man dynasty of all time if
you look at what they could have been together, just
trying to coexist. You know, Scotty and Mike were great,
but they weren't shacking Kobe. If you look at the
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possibilities of those two dominating and continuing to dominate. And
I don't want to get into this, well, okay, Jordan
and Pippen versus you know, Scotty and I mean Kobe
and Shack are going to win that because nobody can
guard Shack. You know, Scotty's wonderful, but all of a sudden,
Shack could be good. Out of my way a little man, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 6 (39:22):
Yeah, I think what kills Lakers fans is that when
the Lakers won their three peat, Kobe Bryant was twenty
three years old. That's what's killing people. It's like, wait,
he was twenty three and Shaq was me thirty.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, thank you Zach for the phone called Derek in
La Hi, Derek, what's on your mind?
Speaker 9 (39:39):
Hey dpte eybun first time, long time five ten and
a declining to twenty five. I just wanted to touch base.
I think you guys hit the nail on the head
with the dynasty is it's got to be a sustained excellence.
And the Giants in the early tens they missed the
(40:03):
playoffs and they've only made the playoffs twice then, so
you know, I don't think you can consider them a
dynasty at all.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Now, that was my argument, that you've got to make
the playoffs the other years that you're not winning a championship.
I don't think you can win a title not make
the playoffs, win a title, not make the playoffs and
great achievement. And you know, maybe I'm being a dynasty
snob here, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
Are the Giants Marlins esque?
Speaker 2 (40:30):
The Marlins won twice though in what five years?
Speaker 6 (40:34):
Yeah, but they didn't make the playoffs the other years.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah, but the Giants won three times in five years.
Speaker 6 (40:39):
Still impressive. I know it's out a dynasty according to Fritzi.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Fritzi doesn't even know what his definition tout. All right,
two hours in the books on this Wednesday, one more
to go, Yes, the Minister of Humor also Seaton Marv
Paully yours truly final hour Right after this
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Dan Patrick
Patrick "Seton" O'Connor
Paul Pabst
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