July 22, 2025 • 41 mins
And former NFLPA President and chief strategy officer, JC Tretter drops by to explain the collusion allegations against the NFL owners and why he has resigned from the NFLPA as the chief strategy officer.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Hour two on.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
This Tuesday, Dan and the Dan Nets Dan Patrick Show
coming up in about twenty minutes. The mess that is
the NFL Players Association. Former NFL player JC Tretder is
stepping down in his role. He was number two, the
number two man in charge there for the NFL Players Association.
There's a whole lot going on there, so we'll try
(00:27):
to sort through that with JC Trettor, who will join
us coming up eight seven to seven three DP Show
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DP show. Good morning. If you're watching on peacock, thank
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He'll take your phone calls. Eight seven to seven to
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three DP Show. Can you give us the results? We
had a three headed monster pull question there in the
first hour of the program.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Seaton heck yeah, let's see Jerry Jones based off of
his co about Micah Parsons and Dak Prescott. Jerry Jones
shouldn't have said that and or wasn't wrong. Those are
your two options right now. Seventy six percent of the
audience say that he shouldn't have said that, despite the
fact that he was not wrong in the things that
he said. Yes, more bothersome comments from Jerry Jones or
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Mike Brown. Mike Brown calling Trey Hendrickson emotional and said
he pushes too hard. Right now, seventy two percent have
Jerry Jones as more bothersome. And with NFL contract situations,
I'm team owners in league or players. Seventy four percent
of the audience are team player.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Okay, let me play which I should have done to
start with. Here is Jerry Jones on his issue with
signing Micah Parsons.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Just because we signed him doesn't mean we're going to
have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously,
we've signed I remember signing a player for the highest
paid its position in the league and he got knocked
out two thirds of the year Dark Prescott. So there's
a lot of things you can think about, just as
the player does when you're thinking about committing and guarantee
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of money.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Okay, why do you sign anybody to a contract extension?
Everybody can get hurt? Yeah, Okay. Here's Mike Brown, the
Bengals owner, on the situation with Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
We aren't going to trade Trey. We're working to get
Trey signed. As we speak here, there are guys over
in the office working to get that. We like Trey
as a person, he's a good guy. But when it
comes to these negotiations, and we've been through a few
of them with him, he pushes hard, he gets emotional.
(02:49):
We never have an easy time of it. But there's
one thing that is consistent. It always gets done, and
I think this one will okay.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
We don't need to bring up that he's emotional. It's
his contract. If Mike Brown had a contract that he
was negotiating, he would probably be emotional about it. He
would be pushing. He would be doing what Trey hendricks
is doing. The thing with Mike Brown and all of
these owners, they handle all of these contracts. They have
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no emotion attached to it, or they shouldn't. They're business people.
Trey Hendrickson is a businessman trying to get paid, that's all.
Is he going to be emotional? Yes, it's his contract,
it's his money, that's what he's fighting for. H I
guess I'm just not smart enough to be an owner. Well,
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I'm not rich enough to be an owner, but I
would not be applying the logic of you know what,
let me take a shot at Michael Parsons and Dak Prescott.
I'm going to give you a two fer here, Dallas Media,
You're welcome. And the Bengals is Trey Hendrickson at that
age where thirty do you want to pay him? Well, TJ.
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Watt got paid. Now, Trey Hendrickson is not TJ Watt,
but those numbers are pretty impressive that he's put up
the last two years. And the Bengals desperately need Trey Hendrickson.
They do because that defense, we saw what it was.
And even your first round pick Shamar Stewart not in
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camp either. He's an edge rusher. I would think if
you're going to make a run at the Ravens, and
right now I got DraftKings just sent me the odds
super Bowl odds, it's the Bills and the Ravens are
the favorites to go to the Super Bowl. Then it's
the Eagles, then Chiefs, Lions, and then Commanders. They're pretty
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far down the list, but they're the seventh best odds there.
So Bills and Ravens at plus six hundred Eagles plus
seven hundred Chiefs plus eight fifty Lions plus eleven hundred
Command plus eighteen hundred.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Yes, Polly, And there's so much importance. This is so
obvious on a defensive pass rusher. The Lions last year
when they lose Hutchinson, they just seem non threatening.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
It kept them from the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
Pop probably, I mean one of the it's one of
the things like they've got wide receivers in the Bengals
and they've got to outscore everybody, and that's their plan.
But you got to have one guy, you got to
have one killer at the defensive line.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
And I was curious about this, Well, I'm curious why
this player was given the best odds to be the
defensive player of the year this upcoming season. Aiden Hutchinson
from the Lions, according to DraftKings, had the best odds
to be the defensive player of the year coming off
the injury. TJ. Watt got paid, Miles Garrett got paid,
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Michael Parson's going to get paid unless they think, well,
those guys they got paid, maybe they're not going to
have that. I'm going to go crazy this season. Yes, Marvin,
does he have.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
The best odds for comeback player of the year.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Also, I'm gonna guess if you're the defensive player of
the year, you're probably gonna be Did anybody almost die
last season? Now? What about Joe Flacco? He came back
from off the couch, as there's still a chance. And
I haven't heard much about the Cleveland Browns. You know,
they're pretty quiet there because I have somebody who is
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pretty good at kind of keep me in the loop
with the Cleveland Browns. Not that I'm asking to be
in the loop for too much with the Cleveland Browns,
but just the quarterbacking situation is fascinating. And as a
source tells me, hey, if it doesn't go well this year,
they have two first round picks and they and it's
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always the next year is the better quarterback year? Man,
you're gonna want to wait until next year. I don't
even know if Arch Manning's coming out next year. No guarantee.
I would be surprised if he came out next year,
unless they won the national title, he won the Heisman,
then maybe, But I get the feeling, you know, money
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is not the issue. So the family might say, if
you're enjoying it, then get more seasoned. You just don't
want to take a quarterback who has less than twenty
five starts in college, like you, really, scounts will tell
you give me a larger sample size because if you
look where they've whiffed on some quarterbacks, usually they played
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one really really good season. I mean, even look at
Trey Lance, Zack Wilson like you just I mean, these
are recent bust where you go, hey, we're going to
take that guy. I want to see what you do
when you don't play well. I want to see when
you struggle a little bit. You know, that was what
concerned scouts. I think on Jordan Love is, hey, when
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he had a really good roster, he was really good.
It's the following year. Or Josh Allen when he had
a really good roster and then he didn't have a
really good roster, and then you're trying to figure out
just how good you are. You tell me more when
you're struggling, and how you respond to that when everything's
going great. It doesn't happen that way in the NFL,
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and if it does, it doesn't last long. Yes, Pauline.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Last week the AP has the Comeback Player of the
Year and the award for twenty five twenty six. The
current odds according to DraftKings, Dak Prescott and Aiden Hutchinson
are the favorites right now. Christian McCaffrey, Trevor Lawrence of
the Jaguars.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Here's one.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
J J.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
McCarthy of the Vikings. Was he ever there to come back?
I know he got injured, right.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I don't know the technicalities here. It wasn't injured. I
would have thought if you came back from dying that that,
like the language should be in your favor. Damar Hamlin
right being Comeback Player of the Year.
Speaker 7 (08:51):
Yes, Martin, But Joe Flacco had an NFL death though
almost he was sitting on the couch, true, and he
played better.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
He led him to the playoffs. He came back from
the couch. You imagine Jamar Hamlin, Joe Flacco. You know,
they're they're waiting, you know, for this to be announced,
and they're like, uh, yeah, you know, how was it? Man?
It was tough getting off that couch. What about you? Well,
I died a couple of times. But hey, you know, Joe,
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you had a good year. And congratulations for Comeback Player
of the Year. Jamar Hamlin did something that not many
people have done. I mean one person did it a
long time ago. Yeah, all right, So NFL camps are
open for business veterans showing up, and as we inch closer,
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how many days? How many days until the start? Don't
we have our our big graphic that we put up
on the program. Do we have that too? How many days?
Is it up there? There? You got.
Speaker 8 (10:00):
In?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
How many hours? And how many minutes?
Speaker 7 (10:02):
Ten hours, eight minutes, fifty six seconds?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Let's go okay, all right, all right, ready to go?
There it is? You know, we got it?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Fireworks, sparklers, yes, Seaton, Is that counting down to the
very first kickoff?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Or is that just counting down to a day that's
to the kickoff? Can we get a video.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
On how accurate it is once kickoff happens? That to
me is the best payoff of this whole graphic is
how accurate? How close do the actual kickoff do they get?
And then maybe we can even play some bets on that.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Okay, yes, paulin.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
Yeah, this looks pretty close. Our our tracker has kickoff
around eight to fifteen Eastern that night, which is usually
about right for those national TV games. Bonus coverage guess
who won Comeback Player of the Year award last year
for the second time in his career.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Joe Burrow.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
Joe Burrow, two time winner come Back Player of the Year.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
He won that last year. He did from what yeah,
one more? I don't know, Yes, Marvin, can you.
Speaker 7 (11:04):
Come back from just playing bad? Daniel Jones was my
pick a couple of years ago. You guys are come
back from what I say being sorry.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I don't know if you can win for that. Chad
Pennington won it twice.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Remember that with the Jets.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Of course you could never forget.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
He wonted in six, didn't win an O seven, and
then wanted to get in O eight.
Speaker 8 (11:29):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
At the end of Last Hour, a Doug in North
Carolina dropped a bombshell where he talked about maybe we
cheated Fritzy cheated celebrity family feud, and there was a moment,
now do we have that clip? Where did we have that?
Where Fritzy answers and then Steve says no, and then
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Fritzy gets to answer again Marvin.
Speaker 7 (11:58):
No, Actually the clips all are TJ from the Rich
Eisen Show and Rich Eisen himself complaining that we cheated, but.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I don't care about Rich Eisen's show that. I mean,
they got humiliated and they're trying to save face by
saying that Fritzie got a little bit of help. All right,
here is Rich Eisen. He's protesting the family feud results.
Speaker 7 (12:24):
If there is some sort of standing, we can have
to one hundred you will protest the result one.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Hundred percent weekend.
Speaker 9 (12:33):
I'm just saying it was like we were told specific
can protest.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
The result because we were got on the board back
because he gave the answer.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
We were sitting on ye and then right, yeah, he.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Gave that answer and his second bite at that apple,
and okay, so that's rich who's very desperate. TJ is
his producer, and he accused us of cheating.
Speaker 9 (12:56):
The one thing they told us before the show was like,
if someone gets was an answer, and if you that's
your right answer, it's an ex well, you know, not
to complain. But at one point the pot was really big,
was about let's say two hundred plus points.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Fritzy gave an answer that was already given.
Speaker 9 (13:13):
They let him give the answer, the answer, ready to
steal it, ready to steal it.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Okay, this is not cheating. We didn't purposely do something
that maybe if somebody made a mistake. How do we
know you had the answer? You guys didn't have any
answers the entire show, and now you're coming up as
DA damn let them up. Hey, you've accused us of cheating.
(13:42):
All right, we didn't cheat. We did, you know what
we were told to do, and Steve said go again.
Fritzy went again and got the answer. But I can't
count on those guys to say that they had the
right answer because they had some stupid answers. Yes, Dodd,
I was just I know we don't have it, But
what that answer was?
Speaker 6 (14:02):
I honestly, you don't recall Steve saying it's already up there,
try again, or any anything of that.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
But you know, if that's what happened, that's what happened.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
But I'd love to hear what that answer was.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Well, why don't we find that? I thought we had
the entire show. Yeah, I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Even listening to them talk right there, I still have
no idea what they're talking about. I don't know what
question they're talking about. I don't know what answer they're
looking for. I don't know what pot it was. I
don't really know any of those things.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, see if we can find that clip there from
Celebrity Family Feud. But there's no rematch here. I mean
that they're trying to save face. I will say that.
Uh the uh. Rich Eison's wife reached out to me
after the show and talked about how stupid the Rich
(14:50):
Eiesen show. That's right, that's no, no, no, gloves gloves
are off. Gloves are off. You accused of of and
Rich's wife accused them of being stupid.
Speaker 7 (15:05):
Okay, yes, you're like Jerry Jones right now. You shouldn't
have said that, but.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
You're not wrong. I'm just I'm just telling you. Let
me see. Okay, congrats on the big win. Those guys
are morons. I might lock Rich out of the house. Okay,
that's Rich Eisen. Twy Foo text me after our great
(15:31):
performance on Celebrity Family. Dude. Yes. Yes.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
As far as the audio of the alleged incident, I
watched the show twice. What they edited a lot during
the show. I remember Fritzy going for an answer and
he answered something that was up there, and then they
said no, no, and he answered the right thing. Next quickly
they again of corrected him. It didn't make the final edit.
I don't think it made the final edit because I
didn't see it when I watched the show. So I
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don't know if we could play the audio because we
don't have the audio.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Well maybe it's uh, Todd, why don't you reach out
to Steve Harvey. I have him on the show.
Speaker 7 (16:06):
I think we should.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Okay, I can see maybe he can clarify that. But
if anything happened, it was a mistake.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I need Rich.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Let's put a few don't cheating? All right, thank you, Tod,
But we didn't cheat that. Maybe somebody made a mistake
on Steve Harvey's part, and Rich should be calling out
Steve Harvey, not us. But it was weird that we're celebrating,
jumping up and down after we won, and all of
a sudden, one of Rich's producers said, you know he
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helped you out there. I mean, you never should have
gotten that second chance with Fritzi. I go, what we
just won?
Speaker 8 (16:47):
Should be quiet?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
All right? Let me take a break. Players Association is
a mess in the NFL JC Tretder former Center, and
the number two men in charge there has decided to
step down and we'll ask him what exactly is going on?
When on he'll join us next year Dan Patrick Show.
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Speaker 2 (18:21):
We'll get to more phone calls coming up. Update our
poll results eight seven to seven three DP show. JC
Tretder former Center with the Browns and the Packers, former
NFL Players Association President and Chief Strategy officer. At least
those were former titles because he has decided to step down.
Why are you stepping down? Jc?
Speaker 8 (18:43):
Yeah, I feel like I had nothing left to give
the organization. I felt like as a player, I sacrificed
the back end of my career and I sacrifice time
with my family, and I did those for the players
and I would do them again. I love working for
the players. In the last five weeks, I feel like
I've had to sacrifice my public reputation. There's been some
stories out there about me that aren't true, and I've
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been asked to sit on that and not talk about it,
and that was for the organization. That wasn't for the players,
And in the end, I feel like I couldn't do
that anymore. I've always said the only thing I've ever
wanted to care about was being a great dad and
a great husband. And once this job wasn't fun anymore
or hurt my family, I was out. And it happened
both of those at the same time, and it was
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time for me to leave.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
So Lloyd Hall Junior, the former NFL Players Association executive,
has decided to step down as well. Be specific on
what you're talking about. That is not true that's being
said about you.
Speaker 8 (19:40):
Yeah, I mean there's been a lot of narratives fun
the idea that I buried, the collusion grievance. I've never
seen the collusion grievance, the collision. I don't have access
to the collusion grievance. I wasn't in any discussions about
the collusion grievance, just not part of my job. The
idea that I've been angling for the executive director job
since I was a president also not true. I was
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asked to run for executive director during the last search.
I declined because it would take me away from my
family for too much, and I wanted to be with
my kids. I've got two young kids. I love watching
them grow up. There's been a story about us firing
an arbitrator that said it was because of me. I
don't fire arbitrators. That's legals department. I don't do that stuff.
So a lot of things had been rolled down to
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this must be Jc's fault, and that's not where I
sit in the organization. And that's not the type of
person I am, and I didn't want people thinking that
was the type of person I am.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
ESPN reported last week that Hall struck a confidentiality agreement
with the NFL six months ago, hid that from the players,
and that was a January arbitration decision finding that the
league executive urged team owners to reduce guarantee player compensation.
When did you find out about that collusion?
Speaker 8 (20:55):
I know we lost the collusion grievance in January that
I knew that. I didn't know of any agreements or
what was happening with that, because it's not part of
my department. Once it leaked a few weeks ago, I
started learning more. I was on the board call. In
the EC call when it was explained what had happened
over the last six months to the players. So I
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know more now, but at that point I knew nothing.
It wasn't involved in the discussions.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
There's a quote where you're saying something about Russell Wilson
not getting a guaranteed contract with the Denver Broncos. Would
you elaborate on that. Is that an accurate quote?
Speaker 8 (21:32):
Yeah, So that's the thing about being deposed. They get
your phone, they read all your text messages. Is not comfortable.
But those are all facts. So what had happened was
when I retired, actually did an interview and I talked
about They asked about guaranteed contracts, and I said, the
next best person to get a guaranteed contract is Russell Wilson.
I thought he was traded for assets, similar to Shaun Watson.
He's a former Super Bowl winner. The team can't just
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let him leave. They have a lot of pressure on him.
They also have a cash rich owner. There was a
lot of things in his favor to get a guaranteed contract.
When he did not get a guaranteed contract, I texted
d and I called him a loser, and I called
him a woos and I was upset in that moment
because I felt like we were missing an opportunity to
get guaranteed contracts. We had Kirk Cousins get one years
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ago and no one came behind him. And then I
was worried, we're gonna have the same thing and we're
going to miss an opportunity for players to get guaranteed contracts.
That was before the collusion grievements was launched. That was
before the idea of collusion had come up. Months later
was when we launched the collusion grievents and that's why
my deposition they asked me about it, and I said,
if I knew the league was colluding against Russell, I
would apologize because I would know there was factors outside
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his control that were illegal and not allowed to happen.
But I didn't know that at the time I sent
the text message.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Do you think that owners have been colluding on no
more guaranteed contracts?
Speaker 8 (22:48):
I can only know what was in that report, which
is the arbitrator found that the league encouraged teams to collude,
but the arbitrator did not feel like the NFLPA proved
that the teams acted on that recommendation and that there
is no damages that we could prove either. At this
point now, this is still pending. So even though it
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was quote hidden, it was in a stand still agreement
and the right to appeal was still there. So the
NFLPA is appealing. So this is still open and could
potentially change. So this is still a pending investigation or
appending matter, and I hope it comes out or I
hope it's proven that we are able to prove those
other two pieces that are needed to win the entire
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collusion groups.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But don't isn't there a public record of the owner
of the Chargers and the owner of the Cardinals talking
about guaranteed contracts for their respective quarterbacks.
Speaker 8 (23:46):
Yeah, everything in that collusion. We can talk about what
it looks like and then what the findings were or
what the arbitrator ruled. And I think one of those
is what's the public messaging versus what's the actual findings.
And the actual findings as of now is that they
wasn't found that they were colluding. That is still under appeal,
and I think the hope is that that changes when
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it goes to a three judge panel. J C.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Treader, former NFLPA President, chief strategy officer of course, former
NFL player, some of these other things with Lloyd Howell Junior.
ESPN reported that he was sued for sexual discrimination and
retaliation in twenty eleven when he was an executive at
another job, strip club going to strip clubs. I don't
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know who went to the strip clubs. Why is the
NFLPA doing business at strip clubs? And were you aware
of the sexual discrimination or the retaliation with the former
head of the NFLPA.
Speaker 8 (24:50):
We were aware of those during the search. We brought
up those that came out in the background check. We
asked him questions during the interviews, both with the Executive
Committee and at the final board meeting, we asked him
to directly about those. He explained his side of the story,
and the board was comfortable with his answer, and that's
how it proceeded. When it comes to the strip club,
I was not there. I've never been to a strip club.
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I don't drink, I don't do anything in that realm.
That should not have happened. I wouldn't have done it.
It should not have happened. I'm not going to talk
about who else was there. That's not my business. I
was not, and that's bad luck.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
But is it a business meeting at two different strip
clubs I'm trying to understand. And the fact that he
charges it to the NFL Players Association?
Speaker 8 (25:34):
Correct, Correct, that was the story. I do not condone
it at all. I do not think it is right.
It should never have happened. It should never happen going forward.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
How do you think players should feel about the NFL
Players Association? Now?
Speaker 8 (25:50):
This is not where we wanted to be When we
launched the search years ago, we were looking for an
executive director that was going to be here for two
plus terms. That's like ten years that did not happen.
This is not part of the plan. I think what's
the most important thing for the players right now is
to understand that this is their union. The players need
to come together. They need to find an interim to
lead in the time being, and then they need to
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find a search to find somebody that is going to
lead them going forward. And this is not the timeline
we wanted. We wanted a longer runway going into the
next CBA. But these are now where the chips have fallen,
and I think the players need to take a very
hard look at the organization about what to do moving
forward and find the person that's going to come in
and make this organization what they want it to be,
because in the end, the players are the most important
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part of this. That's who leads this, that's who this
is all about, and the players need to dive in
and take care of it.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
What's the feedback been from current players over the last
couple of months.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
I mean, this is also a weird time in the
schedule where a lot of guys are away, so I
don't think a lot of people are paying attention to
the news. I've heard from a lot of guys in
the last couple of days as they get back into
the locker rooms and start talking. I've heard a lot
of disappointment for me leaving, which I appreciate. Again, I've
told them I've loved working for the players since I
became president. It has been an honor and that no
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matter what happens, I will always be there for them
because that has been always my motivation is just doing
what's best for the guys, and that was one of
the toughest parts about leaving, was I feel like they
lose opportunities to do work for the guys, and that's that.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
It was a very.
Speaker 8 (27:21):
Emotional weekend for me, and I finally woke up with
some clarity of this is the best decision for me
and my family. But I'm always gonna be sad about
leaving the organization because those guys do a ton of
work and I understand what they go through and what
they put on the line and what they deserve, and
I really want them to get what they deserve.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Speaking to a couple of people involved in this, and
they said they're just a lack of transparency. That it
felt like that even when you hired how that it
was kind of cloaked in, you know, it was a clandestine,
shrouded in secrecy type of thing. How much of a
I mean guilty of lack of transparency would you say
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that's a fair assessment of the NFL Players Association.
Speaker 8 (28:08):
I mean, if we go back the search process, yeah,
you can say there was a lack of transparency to
the outside, right, but that's not exactly who we represent.
Only we owe the outside transparency. I think we discussed
it as player leadership what the search process should look like.
We had two previous search processes that weren't good, so
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it's not like what we used to have was a
great option that bared great results. Wasn't true. So we
did something different that the players voted on Unanissley, and
we executed exactly what we as players decided, and that
decision was. We wanted the players to make their decision
without outside interference telling what they should make, and we
did that and in the end you are judged by
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your results, and the results were not what we wanted. Again,
we wanted somebody here for the next ten years. That
did not happen. So I think when they launched their
next search, they should have a discussion learning from the
mistakes of the two previous searches, but also the last
one of what they want to change and what they
want to do different. No search is perfect. I think
there are changes needed, and I think they will figure
out what exactly they're looking for and grow from those.
(29:12):
But yeah, I think the transparency is an issue that
we talk about of what needs to be known. Again,
I have frustrations now because you have two sides of
the coin of well, let the public dive in and
get to know these candidates and share what they've found
out about them. But I look at my situation where
there's been a ton of stories out there there just
(29:33):
apparently not true, and that's not fair to people. It's
not fair for somebody with an axe to grind to
put out information that isn't true and bury someone's reputation
and impact their standing amongst the union. So there are
different ways to look at what people should be able
to share information on, and I think the guys will
end up making the right decision on how they want
to run it going forward.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
But I'm also looking at this report ESPN had in May,
the FBI investigating the financial dealings of the NFLPA and
the base Ball Players Association. This is a multi billion
dollar group licensing firm, one team partners, Like, there's a
lot of stuff going on here, your chief strategy officer,
and it feels like nobody knows or knew what was
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going on here.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
Yeah, I'm not going to comment on the investigation. One.
I'm not at the organization anymore in that capacity, so
I'm not going to speak about it.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I will say, well, that's ongoing, is that right? Correct?
Speaker 8 (30:25):
And we have outside council looking into it with a
group of players looking into it, and that's the important part.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Right.
Speaker 8 (30:31):
We have active players who are on a committee to
dive into these issues and evaluate all the issues, because
in the end, it's the players union and the players
have to know what's going on, and the players deserve
to know what's going on. You're right, and that is
a problem, and the players need to get to the
bottom of it, and they will. I'm confident they will.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
When are we going to eighteen games?
Speaker 8 (30:54):
I don't know. That's a CBA issue, so whenever.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
That's going to have had discussions for a while about this.
So are they concessions that you're asking for the others?
Speaker 8 (31:05):
No, not at this point. Again, I think Rogers made
it clear. Anytime the microphone gets in his face, he
brings up eighteen games, So I think he's been clear
about what they want. But in the end, they can't
unilaterally impose that. That needs to be something that's given
in a CVA negotiations, and those haven't started and those
probably aren't going to start for a while at this
point with everything going on. And in the end, that
is a major If that is something players are ever
(31:27):
willing to give, that is a major give that damages players,
hurts them bad. I know Roger went on a long
list of things recently around sharing costs and lowering cash
payments in more international games. Those are all things that
are really bad for players, and I think players shouldn't
rush into a conversation when the other side is listing
off a long list of demands that are really bad
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for them. We have a CBA until twenty thirty one,
There is no need to rush into those negotiations. If
they want to have an early discussion with the players,
then they should have a list of things why it's
good for the players, and I haven't heard a reason
why having an early negotiation is good for the players
at this.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Point the play should the players trust the commissioner.
Speaker 8 (32:09):
This isn't a shot of his character. He works on
the other side. There's labor in management. He has bosses
that are not the players. He has interests that are
not the player's interests. So you probably should not trust
the person who negotiates on the other side of the
table because he has other interests. Besides that, I think
the players need to find a leader and executive director
that they do trust and they want in that room
(32:30):
to negotiate every half of their best interests. That is
how unions work. You need a leader of that union
to represent the player's interest and you trust that person.
You don't trust the person on the other side of
the table.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I ran into Jim McMahon and Tahoe and he's in
bad shape, but I think there was thought that he
might lose part of his leg. And I said, well,
but don't you have health benefits? And he said no,
So why doesn't Jim McMahon like, help me understand this.
I mean, do you get it for like five years
(33:04):
and then that's it, You're done.
Speaker 8 (33:07):
So there's a couple different ways.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I think.
Speaker 8 (33:08):
One, we've talked about lifetime healthcare forever. That's been a
conversation for twenty five years, probably longer at the union.
The issue is that is not an option because no
one is offering lifetime healthcare. To get lifetime healthcare, you
need an institution to give you lifetime healthcare, and there
is nobody willing to offer it. No one's willing to
take on that risk, no matter what the payment is.
(33:29):
So that's the reality. So the next step goes, how
do you get insurance to players. What we have right
now is if you vest, you get five years post
career health insurance. You also build up an HR account.
If you map those out, you can build up some
insurance for a while. What we need to do is
find other ways to supplement the insurance coverage until we
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have an institution that is willing to give us lifetime
healthcare and we have the money to pay for it,
because again that is part of the revenue split. Everything
comes out of the revenue split. So if we wanted
lifetime health care and we could afford it, it would
come out of whether the salary cap or other benefits.
But right now that is not an option. So I
think one of the important things of the union is
going through and figuring out how to give coverage. We
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have disability benefits, we have health we have JA accounts,
we have post career healthcare. We have a bunch of
different things that if you stack up the right way,
you can have coverage for a long time. But it's
not as clean as just like a single plan that
lasts forever.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
JC, thanks for joining us. Good luck, absolutely thank you.
J C. Treader, former NFLPA president, chief strategy officer, and
of course played in the NFL. I heard from a
lot of different people, heard a lot. I heard from
a current player, former player, current agent, and somebody in
(34:49):
the home office of the NFL. When they realized we
were having they reached out to me and everybody kind
of had the same thought of don't let him off
the hook. This is about a democracy. You're supposed to
be running this. They're supposed to be transparency. There's a
lot going on the vetting process for hiring the guy
at the NFLPA. I don't know, it's hard to go.
(35:11):
You know, twenty eleven sexual discrimination retaliation might stand out
a little bit there. You know, prior jobs, companies issues there,
and then all of a sudden you got somebody that's
put in place here but going to strip clubs and
then charging that, you know, back to the NFLPA. I mean,
(35:33):
that's bold, that's bold. The players deserve better than this
because they get taken advantage of. It. Feels like every
time there's a collective bargaining agreement. It's not like baseball
Baseball's union when Donald Pier was running it, Marvin Miller,
nobody messed with it. They ran the show. You know,
(35:54):
that's unfortunate that you know, somebody puts self interest, you know,
having a my view, do I think there was collusion, Yes,
I do. I think that these owners realized that. I
was told this specifically right after the Deshaun Watson deal.
Two owners were livid, livid, and I said, well, are
(36:15):
their quarterbacks going to be coming up for guaranteed contracts?
And I was told yes, So do I think that
you know? Bidwell and Spanos talked about Justin Herbert Kyler Murray, Yes,
I do. Yes, Does anything happen? I mean that's really
the key as we move forward. Does anything really happen
with any of this other than you get new people
(36:37):
in there? Not sure? Jacob break back after this.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
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Speaker 2 (36:54):
I apologize privately, I will apologize publicly. To Jim McMahon,
the former Chicago Bear quarterback. I shared details of a
conversation I had with him at Lake Tahoe, and he
was he was in good spirits, but he talked about
how messed up his ankle is and had surgery and
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thought that he might lose his leg or a portion
of his leg. And I talked about you know what
kind of health plan health care plan with the NFL,
and he said, we don't have any. So he's paying
out a pocket for all these procedures. And and I
go back a long way with Jim. There were there
(37:39):
were some years that were really really dark, dark years
for Jim McMahon. Stayed in bed most of the day,
shades were shut. He just sat there and watched war
movies and battling depression. And you know, they finally figured
out what was causing this, and he's still in good spirits.
(38:05):
But I probably should have kept that to myself, But
I was trying to make a point to J. C. Tretder,
formerly of the NFL Players Association, that we kick these
guys to the curb. I mean, it's such a what
are you doing for me?
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Now?
Speaker 2 (38:22):
What have you done for me lately? And you know,
we all have memories of Jim McMahon, But then all
of a sudden you look up, it's like Steve McMichael,
the former Chicago beargrade like these guys have to live
with what injuries they sign up for this. I know
that all of that. I understand that there just should
(38:44):
be a better process, better care for these players when
they're done because we move on and then we'll see somebody.
You'll see Earl Campbell in a wheelchair, and I remember
seeing him years ago in Houston. I went, oh my god,
he couldn't walk. Earl Campbell couldn't walk. You see a
(39:05):
lot of these players and it sometimes it's physical, sometimes
it's mental. Sometimes it's both. But being a star and
then that's it going. So I brought that up, probably selfishly,
because I felt bad when I saw Jim in Tyhee
And once again McMahon had a smile on his face
(39:27):
and he wasn't complaining. He was laughing, telling jokes. He
was being Jim McMahon. But I said, man, you're limping.
He goes, oh, man, let me show you this. He
showed me surgeries. Oh god. And that's when I said, oh, well,
you you know, how's your healthcare plan? He goes, we
don't have any. I went, oh my god. He goes,
(39:47):
I'm paying out of pocket. Well I don't know what
he's making now because he didn't do anything. But yeah. So,
and with the NFL Players Association, I know that might
be inside foot, but you know, questions need to be
asked sometimes, and I appreciate JC Tredder coming on, but
(40:08):
I just don't think you can have the title of
cheap Strategy officer and not be aware of what's going on.
And it feels like there's a lot of finger pointing
and nobody's really taken accountability here. But at least he
came on. I appreciate that because a lot of people
in his position probably would not. So, all right, we
(40:36):
got a minute and a half. I don't even know
what direction to go in a minute and a half here,
so I apologize.
Speaker 6 (40:41):
Yeah, you can read more about it if you go
to NFL dot com. There's pretty clear websites and things
about benefits for former players vested players who have played
at least two years. Generally after you retire or leave
the game, you get about five years of coverage via
the NFL if you're vested meaning playing two or more
full So there's a lot of detail there you could
(41:02):
read about, but it's really capped at five seasons after
you retire, no matter how long you play.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Well, a shout out to Pablo Torre because he's been
doing great investigative work here and he's the one who
uncovered a lot of this information. That's coming out now
that maybe we wouldn't have known about it, but owners colluding,
the head of the Players Association, his backstory going to
(41:28):
strip clubs, and just feels like there's a lot that's
going on there and probably more fallout to happen. All right,
two hours in the books, one more to go on
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stepping down in his role. He was number two, the
number two man in charge there for the NFL Players Association.
There's a whole lot going on there, so we'll try
(00:27):
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three DP Show. Can you give us the results? We
had a three headed monster pull question there in the
first hour of the program.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Seaton heck yeah, let's see Jerry Jones based off of
his co about Micah Parsons and Dak Prescott. Jerry Jones
shouldn't have said that and or wasn't wrong. Those are
your two options right now. Seventy six percent of the
audience say that he shouldn't have said that, despite the
fact that he was not wrong in the things that
he said. Yes, more bothersome comments from Jerry Jones or
(01:17):
Mike Brown. Mike Brown calling Trey Hendrickson emotional and said
he pushes too hard. Right now, seventy two percent have
Jerry Jones as more bothersome. And with NFL contract situations,
I'm team owners in league or players. Seventy four percent
of the audience are team player.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Okay, let me play which I should have done to
start with. Here is Jerry Jones on his issue with
signing Micah Parsons.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Just because we signed him doesn't mean we're going to
have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously,
we've signed I remember signing a player for the highest
paid its position in the league and he got knocked
out two thirds of the year Dark Prescott. So there's
a lot of things you can think about, just as
the player does when you're thinking about committing and guarantee
(02:06):
of money.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Okay, why do you sign anybody to a contract extension?
Everybody can get hurt? Yeah, Okay. Here's Mike Brown, the
Bengals owner, on the situation with Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
We aren't going to trade Trey. We're working to get
Trey signed. As we speak here, there are guys over
in the office working to get that. We like Trey
as a person, he's a good guy. But when it
comes to these negotiations, and we've been through a few
of them with him, he pushes hard, he gets emotional.
(02:49):
We never have an easy time of it. But there's
one thing that is consistent. It always gets done, and
I think this one will okay.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
We don't need to bring up that he's emotional. It's
his contract. If Mike Brown had a contract that he
was negotiating, he would probably be emotional about it. He
would be pushing. He would be doing what Trey hendricks
is doing. The thing with Mike Brown and all of
these owners, they handle all of these contracts. They have
(03:23):
no emotion attached to it, or they shouldn't. They're business people.
Trey Hendrickson is a businessman trying to get paid, that's all.
Is he going to be emotional? Yes, it's his contract,
it's his money, that's what he's fighting for. H I
guess I'm just not smart enough to be an owner. Well,
(03:44):
I'm not rich enough to be an owner, but I
would not be applying the logic of you know what,
let me take a shot at Michael Parsons and Dak Prescott.
I'm going to give you a two fer here, Dallas Media,
You're welcome. And the Bengals is Trey Hendrickson at that
age where thirty do you want to pay him? Well, TJ.
(04:05):
Watt got paid. Now, Trey Hendrickson is not TJ Watt,
but those numbers are pretty impressive that he's put up
the last two years. And the Bengals desperately need Trey Hendrickson.
They do because that defense, we saw what it was.
And even your first round pick Shamar Stewart not in
(04:27):
camp either. He's an edge rusher. I would think if
you're going to make a run at the Ravens, and
right now I got DraftKings just sent me the odds
super Bowl odds, it's the Bills and the Ravens are
the favorites to go to the Super Bowl. Then it's
the Eagles, then Chiefs, Lions, and then Commanders. They're pretty
(04:48):
far down the list, but they're the seventh best odds there.
So Bills and Ravens at plus six hundred Eagles plus
seven hundred Chiefs plus eight fifty Lions plus eleven hundred
Command plus eighteen hundred.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Yes, Polly, And there's so much importance. This is so
obvious on a defensive pass rusher. The Lions last year
when they lose Hutchinson, they just seem non threatening.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
It kept them from the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
Pop probably, I mean one of the it's one of
the things like they've got wide receivers in the Bengals
and they've got to outscore everybody, and that's their plan.
But you got to have one guy, you got to
have one killer at the defensive line.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
And I was curious about this, Well, I'm curious why
this player was given the best odds to be the
defensive player of the year this upcoming season. Aiden Hutchinson
from the Lions, according to DraftKings, had the best odds
to be the defensive player of the year coming off
the injury. TJ. Watt got paid, Miles Garrett got paid,
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Michael Parson's going to get paid unless they think, well,
those guys they got paid, maybe they're not going to
have that. I'm going to go crazy this season. Yes, Marvin,
does he have.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
The best odds for comeback player of the year.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Also, I'm gonna guess if you're the defensive player of
the year, you're probably gonna be Did anybody almost die
last season? Now? What about Joe Flacco? He came back
from off the couch, as there's still a chance. And
I haven't heard much about the Cleveland Browns. You know,
they're pretty quiet there because I have somebody who is
(06:22):
pretty good at kind of keep me in the loop
with the Cleveland Browns. Not that I'm asking to be
in the loop for too much with the Cleveland Browns,
but just the quarterbacking situation is fascinating. And as a
source tells me, hey, if it doesn't go well this year,
they have two first round picks and they and it's
(06:43):
always the next year is the better quarterback year? Man,
you're gonna want to wait until next year. I don't
even know if Arch Manning's coming out next year. No guarantee.
I would be surprised if he came out next year,
unless they won the national title, he won the Heisman,
then maybe, But I get the feeling, you know, money
(07:03):
is not the issue. So the family might say, if
you're enjoying it, then get more seasoned. You just don't
want to take a quarterback who has less than twenty
five starts in college, like you, really, scounts will tell
you give me a larger sample size because if you
look where they've whiffed on some quarterbacks, usually they played
(07:23):
one really really good season. I mean, even look at
Trey Lance, Zack Wilson like you just I mean, these
are recent bust where you go, hey, we're going to
take that guy. I want to see what you do
when you don't play well. I want to see when
you struggle a little bit. You know, that was what
concerned scouts. I think on Jordan Love is, hey, when
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he had a really good roster, he was really good.
It's the following year. Or Josh Allen when he had
a really good roster and then he didn't have a
really good roster, and then you're trying to figure out
just how good you are. You tell me more when
you're struggling, and how you respond to that when everything's
going great. It doesn't happen that way in the NFL,
(08:05):
and if it does, it doesn't last long. Yes, Pauline.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Last week the AP has the Comeback Player of the
Year and the award for twenty five twenty six. The
current odds according to DraftKings, Dak Prescott and Aiden Hutchinson
are the favorites right now. Christian McCaffrey, Trevor Lawrence of
the Jaguars.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Here's one.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
J J.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
McCarthy of the Vikings. Was he ever there to come back?
I know he got injured, right.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I don't know the technicalities here. It wasn't injured. I
would have thought if you came back from dying that that,
like the language should be in your favor. Damar Hamlin
right being Comeback Player of the Year.
Speaker 7 (08:51):
Yes, Martin, But Joe Flacco had an NFL death though
almost he was sitting on the couch, true, and he
played better.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
He led him to the playoffs. He came back from
the couch. You imagine Jamar Hamlin, Joe Flacco. You know,
they're they're waiting, you know, for this to be announced,
and they're like, uh, yeah, you know, how was it? Man?
It was tough getting off that couch. What about you? Well,
I died a couple of times. But hey, you know, Joe,
(09:22):
you had a good year. And congratulations for Comeback Player
of the Year. Jamar Hamlin did something that not many
people have done. I mean one person did it a
long time ago. Yeah, all right, So NFL camps are
open for business veterans showing up, and as we inch closer,
(09:45):
how many days? How many days until the start? Don't
we have our our big graphic that we put up
on the program. Do we have that too? How many days?
Is it up there? There? You got.
Speaker 8 (10:00):
In?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
How many hours? And how many minutes?
Speaker 7 (10:02):
Ten hours, eight minutes, fifty six seconds?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Let's go okay, all right, all right, ready to go?
There it is? You know, we got it?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Fireworks, sparklers, yes, Seaton, Is that counting down to the
very first kickoff?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Or is that just counting down to a day that's
to the kickoff? Can we get a video.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
On how accurate it is once kickoff happens? That to
me is the best payoff of this whole graphic is
how accurate? How close do the actual kickoff do they get?
And then maybe we can even play some bets on that.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Okay, yes, paulin.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
Yeah, this looks pretty close. Our our tracker has kickoff
around eight to fifteen Eastern that night, which is usually
about right for those national TV games. Bonus coverage guess
who won Comeback Player of the Year award last year
for the second time in his career.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Joe Burrow.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
Joe Burrow, two time winner come Back Player of the Year.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
He won that last year. He did from what yeah,
one more? I don't know, Yes, Marvin, can you.
Speaker 7 (11:04):
Come back from just playing bad? Daniel Jones was my
pick a couple of years ago. You guys are come
back from what I say being sorry.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I don't know if you can win for that. Chad
Pennington won it twice.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Remember that with the Jets.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Of course you could never forget.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
He wonted in six, didn't win an O seven, and
then wanted to get in O eight.
Speaker 8 (11:29):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
At the end of Last Hour, a Doug in North
Carolina dropped a bombshell where he talked about maybe we
cheated Fritzy cheated celebrity family feud, and there was a moment,
now do we have that clip? Where did we have that?
Where Fritzy answers and then Steve says no, and then
(11:56):
Fritzy gets to answer again Marvin.
Speaker 7 (11:58):
No, Actually the clips all are TJ from the Rich
Eisen Show and Rich Eisen himself complaining that we cheated, but.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I don't care about Rich Eisen's show that. I mean,
they got humiliated and they're trying to save face by
saying that Fritzie got a little bit of help. All right,
here is Rich Eisen. He's protesting the family feud results.
Speaker 7 (12:24):
If there is some sort of standing, we can have
to one hundred you will protest the result one.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Hundred percent weekend.
Speaker 9 (12:33):
I'm just saying it was like we were told specific
can protest.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
The result because we were got on the board back
because he gave the answer.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
We were sitting on ye and then right, yeah, he.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Gave that answer and his second bite at that apple,
and okay, so that's rich who's very desperate. TJ is
his producer, and he accused us of cheating.
Speaker 9 (12:56):
The one thing they told us before the show was like,
if someone gets was an answer, and if you that's
your right answer, it's an ex well, you know, not
to complain. But at one point the pot was really big,
was about let's say two hundred plus points.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Fritzy gave an answer that was already given.
Speaker 9 (13:13):
They let him give the answer, the answer, ready to
steal it, ready to steal it.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Okay, this is not cheating. We didn't purposely do something
that maybe if somebody made a mistake. How do we
know you had the answer? You guys didn't have any
answers the entire show, and now you're coming up as
DA damn let them up. Hey, you've accused us of cheating.
(13:42):
All right, we didn't cheat. We did, you know what
we were told to do, and Steve said go again.
Fritzy went again and got the answer. But I can't
count on those guys to say that they had the
right answer because they had some stupid answers. Yes, Dodd,
I was just I know we don't have it, But
what that answer was?
Speaker 6 (14:02):
I honestly, you don't recall Steve saying it's already up there,
try again, or any anything of that.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
But you know, if that's what happened, that's what happened.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
But I'd love to hear what that answer was.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Well, why don't we find that? I thought we had
the entire show. Yeah, I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Even listening to them talk right there, I still have
no idea what they're talking about. I don't know what
question they're talking about. I don't know what answer they're
looking for. I don't know what pot it was. I
don't really know any of those things.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, see if we can find that clip there from
Celebrity Family Feud. But there's no rematch here. I mean
that they're trying to save face. I will say that.
Uh the uh. Rich Eison's wife reached out to me
after the show and talked about how stupid the Rich
(14:50):
Eiesen show. That's right, that's no, no, no, gloves gloves
are off. Gloves are off. You accused of of and
Rich's wife accused them of being stupid.
Speaker 7 (15:05):
Okay, yes, you're like Jerry Jones right now. You shouldn't
have said that, but.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
You're not wrong. I'm just I'm just telling you. Let
me see. Okay, congrats on the big win. Those guys
are morons. I might lock Rich out of the house. Okay,
that's Rich Eisen. Twy Foo text me after our great
(15:31):
performance on Celebrity Family. Dude. Yes. Yes.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
As far as the audio of the alleged incident, I
watched the show twice. What they edited a lot during
the show. I remember Fritzy going for an answer and
he answered something that was up there, and then they
said no, no, and he answered the right thing. Next quickly
they again of corrected him. It didn't make the final edit.
I don't think it made the final edit because I
didn't see it when I watched the show. So I
(15:57):
don't know if we could play the audio because we
don't have the audio.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Well maybe it's uh, Todd, why don't you reach out
to Steve Harvey. I have him on the show.
Speaker 7 (16:06):
I think we should.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Okay, I can see maybe he can clarify that. But
if anything happened, it was a mistake.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I need Rich.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Let's put a few don't cheating? All right, thank you, Tod,
But we didn't cheat that. Maybe somebody made a mistake
on Steve Harvey's part, and Rich should be calling out
Steve Harvey, not us. But it was weird that we're celebrating,
jumping up and down after we won, and all of
a sudden, one of Rich's producers said, you know he
(16:41):
helped you out there. I mean, you never should have
gotten that second chance with Fritzi. I go, what we
just won?
Speaker 8 (16:47):
Should be quiet?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
All right? Let me take a break. Players Association is
a mess in the NFL JC Tretder former Center, and
the number two men in charge there has decided to
step down and we'll ask him what exactly is going on?
When on he'll join us next year Dan Patrick Show.
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Speaker 2 (18:21):
We'll get to more phone calls coming up. Update our
poll results eight seven to seven three DP show. JC
Tretder former Center with the Browns and the Packers, former
NFL Players Association President and Chief Strategy officer. At least
those were former titles because he has decided to step down.
Why are you stepping down? Jc?
Speaker 8 (18:43):
Yeah, I feel like I had nothing left to give
the organization. I felt like as a player, I sacrificed
the back end of my career and I sacrifice time
with my family, and I did those for the players
and I would do them again. I love working for
the players. In the last five weeks, I feel like
I've had to sacrifice my public reputation. There's been some
stories out there about me that aren't true, and I've
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been asked to sit on that and not talk about it,
and that was for the organization. That wasn't for the players,
And in the end, I feel like I couldn't do
that anymore. I've always said the only thing I've ever
wanted to care about was being a great dad and
a great husband. And once this job wasn't fun anymore
or hurt my family, I was out. And it happened
both of those at the same time, and it was
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time for me to leave.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
So Lloyd Hall Junior, the former NFL Players Association executive,
has decided to step down as well. Be specific on
what you're talking about. That is not true that's being
said about you.
Speaker 8 (19:40):
Yeah, I mean there's been a lot of narratives fun
the idea that I buried, the collusion grievance. I've never
seen the collusion grievance, the collision. I don't have access
to the collusion grievance. I wasn't in any discussions about
the collusion grievance, just not part of my job. The
idea that I've been angling for the executive director job
since I was a president also not true. I was
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asked to run for executive director during the last search.
I declined because it would take me away from my
family for too much, and I wanted to be with
my kids. I've got two young kids. I love watching
them grow up. There's been a story about us firing
an arbitrator that said it was because of me. I
don't fire arbitrators. That's legals department. I don't do that stuff.
So a lot of things had been rolled down to
(20:25):
this must be Jc's fault, and that's not where I
sit in the organization. And that's not the type of
person I am, and I didn't want people thinking that
was the type of person I am.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
ESPN reported last week that Hall struck a confidentiality agreement
with the NFL six months ago, hid that from the players,
and that was a January arbitration decision finding that the
league executive urged team owners to reduce guarantee player compensation.
When did you find out about that collusion?
Speaker 8 (20:55):
I know we lost the collusion grievance in January that
I knew that. I didn't know of any agreements or
what was happening with that, because it's not part of
my department. Once it leaked a few weeks ago, I
started learning more. I was on the board call. In
the EC call when it was explained what had happened
over the last six months to the players. So I
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know more now, but at that point I knew nothing.
It wasn't involved in the discussions.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
There's a quote where you're saying something about Russell Wilson
not getting a guaranteed contract with the Denver Broncos. Would
you elaborate on that. Is that an accurate quote?
Speaker 8 (21:32):
Yeah, So that's the thing about being deposed. They get
your phone, they read all your text messages. Is not comfortable.
But those are all facts. So what had happened was
when I retired, actually did an interview and I talked
about They asked about guaranteed contracts, and I said, the
next best person to get a guaranteed contract is Russell Wilson.
I thought he was traded for assets, similar to Shaun Watson.
He's a former Super Bowl winner. The team can't just
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let him leave. They have a lot of pressure on him.
They also have a cash rich owner. There was a
lot of things in his favor to get a guaranteed contract.
When he did not get a guaranteed contract, I texted
d and I called him a loser, and I called
him a woos and I was upset in that moment
because I felt like we were missing an opportunity to
get guaranteed contracts. We had Kirk Cousins get one years
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ago and no one came behind him. And then I
was worried, we're gonna have the same thing and we're
going to miss an opportunity for players to get guaranteed contracts.
That was before the collusion grievements was launched. That was
before the idea of collusion had come up. Months later
was when we launched the collusion grievents and that's why
my deposition they asked me about it, and I said,
if I knew the league was colluding against Russell, I
would apologize because I would know there was factors outside
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his control that were illegal and not allowed to happen.
But I didn't know that at the time I sent
the text message.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Do you think that owners have been colluding on no
more guaranteed contracts?
Speaker 8 (22:48):
I can only know what was in that report, which
is the arbitrator found that the league encouraged teams to collude,
but the arbitrator did not feel like the NFLPA proved
that the teams acted on that recommendation and that there
is no damages that we could prove either. At this
point now, this is still pending. So even though it
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was quote hidden, it was in a stand still agreement
and the right to appeal was still there. So the
NFLPA is appealing. So this is still open and could
potentially change. So this is still a pending investigation or
appending matter, and I hope it comes out or I
hope it's proven that we are able to prove those
other two pieces that are needed to win the entire
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collusion groups.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But don't isn't there a public record of the owner
of the Chargers and the owner of the Cardinals talking
about guaranteed contracts for their respective quarterbacks.
Speaker 8 (23:46):
Yeah, everything in that collusion. We can talk about what
it looks like and then what the findings were or
what the arbitrator ruled. And I think one of those
is what's the public messaging versus what's the actual findings.
And the actual findings as of now is that they
wasn't found that they were colluding. That is still under appeal,
and I think the hope is that that changes when
(24:08):
it goes to a three judge panel. J C.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Treader, former NFLPA President, chief strategy officer of course, former
NFL player, some of these other things with Lloyd Howell Junior.
ESPN reported that he was sued for sexual discrimination and
retaliation in twenty eleven when he was an executive at
another job, strip club going to strip clubs. I don't
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know who went to the strip clubs. Why is the
NFLPA doing business at strip clubs? And were you aware
of the sexual discrimination or the retaliation with the former
head of the NFLPA.
Speaker 8 (24:50):
We were aware of those during the search. We brought
up those that came out in the background check. We
asked him questions during the interviews, both with the Executive
Committee and at the final board meeting, we asked him
to directly about those. He explained his side of the story,
and the board was comfortable with his answer, and that's
how it proceeded. When it comes to the strip club,
I was not there. I've never been to a strip club.
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I don't drink, I don't do anything in that realm.
That should not have happened. I wouldn't have done it.
It should not have happened. I'm not going to talk
about who else was there. That's not my business. I
was not, and that's bad luck.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
But is it a business meeting at two different strip
clubs I'm trying to understand. And the fact that he
charges it to the NFL Players Association?
Speaker 8 (25:34):
Correct, Correct, that was the story. I do not condone
it at all. I do not think it is right.
It should never have happened. It should never happen going forward.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
How do you think players should feel about the NFL
Players Association? Now?
Speaker 8 (25:50):
This is not where we wanted to be When we
launched the search years ago, we were looking for an
executive director that was going to be here for two
plus terms. That's like ten years that did not happen.
This is not part of the plan. I think what's
the most important thing for the players right now is
to understand that this is their union. The players need
to come together. They need to find an interim to
lead in the time being, and then they need to
(26:11):
find a search to find somebody that is going to
lead them going forward. And this is not the timeline
we wanted. We wanted a longer runway going into the
next CBA. But these are now where the chips have fallen,
and I think the players need to take a very
hard look at the organization about what to do moving
forward and find the person that's going to come in
and make this organization what they want it to be,
because in the end, the players are the most important
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part of this. That's who leads this, that's who this
is all about, and the players need to dive in
and take care of it.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
What's the feedback been from current players over the last
couple of months.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
I mean, this is also a weird time in the
schedule where a lot of guys are away, so I
don't think a lot of people are paying attention to
the news. I've heard from a lot of guys in
the last couple of days as they get back into
the locker rooms and start talking. I've heard a lot
of disappointment for me leaving, which I appreciate. Again, I've
told them I've loved working for the players since I
became president. It has been an honor and that no
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matter what happens, I will always be there for them
because that has been always my motivation is just doing
what's best for the guys, and that was one of
the toughest parts about leaving, was I feel like they
lose opportunities to do work for the guys, and that's that.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
It was a very.
Speaker 8 (27:21):
Emotional weekend for me, and I finally woke up with
some clarity of this is the best decision for me
and my family. But I'm always gonna be sad about
leaving the organization because those guys do a ton of
work and I understand what they go through and what
they put on the line and what they deserve, and
I really want them to get what they deserve.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Speaking to a couple of people involved in this, and
they said they're just a lack of transparency. That it
felt like that even when you hired how that it
was kind of cloaked in, you know, it was a clandestine,
shrouded in secrecy type of thing. How much of a
I mean guilty of lack of transparency would you say
(28:03):
that's a fair assessment of the NFL Players Association.
Speaker 8 (28:08):
I mean, if we go back the search process, yeah,
you can say there was a lack of transparency to
the outside, right, but that's not exactly who we represent.
Only we owe the outside transparency. I think we discussed
it as player leadership what the search process should look like.
We had two previous search processes that weren't good, so
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it's not like what we used to have was a
great option that bared great results. Wasn't true. So we
did something different that the players voted on Unanissley, and
we executed exactly what we as players decided, and that
decision was. We wanted the players to make their decision
without outside interference telling what they should make, and we
did that and in the end you are judged by
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your results, and the results were not what we wanted. Again,
we wanted somebody here for the next ten years. That
did not happen. So I think when they launched their
next search, they should have a discussion learning from the
mistakes of the two previous searches, but also the last
one of what they want to change and what they
want to do different. No search is perfect. I think
there are changes needed, and I think they will figure
out what exactly they're looking for and grow from those.
(29:12):
But yeah, I think the transparency is an issue that
we talk about of what needs to be known. Again,
I have frustrations now because you have two sides of
the coin of well, let the public dive in and
get to know these candidates and share what they've found
out about them. But I look at my situation where
there's been a ton of stories out there there just
(29:33):
apparently not true, and that's not fair to people. It's
not fair for somebody with an axe to grind to
put out information that isn't true and bury someone's reputation
and impact their standing amongst the union. So there are
different ways to look at what people should be able
to share information on, and I think the guys will
end up making the right decision on how they want
to run it going forward.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
But I'm also looking at this report ESPN had in May,
the FBI investigating the financial dealings of the NFLPA and
the base Ball Players Association. This is a multi billion
dollar group licensing firm, one team partners, Like, there's a
lot of stuff going on here, your chief strategy officer,
and it feels like nobody knows or knew what was
(30:15):
going on here.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
Yeah, I'm not going to comment on the investigation. One.
I'm not at the organization anymore in that capacity, so
I'm not going to speak about it.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I will say, well, that's ongoing, is that right? Correct?
Speaker 8 (30:25):
And we have outside council looking into it with a
group of players looking into it, and that's the important part.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Right.
Speaker 8 (30:31):
We have active players who are on a committee to
dive into these issues and evaluate all the issues, because
in the end, it's the players union and the players
have to know what's going on, and the players deserve
to know what's going on. You're right, and that is
a problem, and the players need to get to the
bottom of it, and they will. I'm confident they will.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
When are we going to eighteen games?
Speaker 8 (30:54):
I don't know. That's a CBA issue, so whenever.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
That's going to have had discussions for a while about this.
So are they concessions that you're asking for the others?
Speaker 8 (31:05):
No, not at this point. Again, I think Rogers made
it clear. Anytime the microphone gets in his face, he
brings up eighteen games, So I think he's been clear
about what they want. But in the end, they can't
unilaterally impose that. That needs to be something that's given
in a CVA negotiations, and those haven't started and those
probably aren't going to start for a while at this
point with everything going on. And in the end, that
is a major If that is something players are ever
(31:27):
willing to give, that is a major give that damages players,
hurts them bad. I know Roger went on a long
list of things recently around sharing costs and lowering cash
payments in more international games. Those are all things that
are really bad for players, and I think players shouldn't
rush into a conversation when the other side is listing
off a long list of demands that are really bad
(31:48):
for them. We have a CBA until twenty thirty one,
There is no need to rush into those negotiations. If
they want to have an early discussion with the players,
then they should have a list of things why it's
good for the players, and I haven't heard a reason
why having an early negotiation is good for the players
at this.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Point the play should the players trust the commissioner.
Speaker 8 (32:09):
This isn't a shot of his character. He works on
the other side. There's labor in management. He has bosses
that are not the players. He has interests that are
not the player's interests. So you probably should not trust
the person who negotiates on the other side of the
table because he has other interests. Besides that, I think
the players need to find a leader and executive director
that they do trust and they want in that room
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to negotiate every half of their best interests. That is
how unions work. You need a leader of that union
to represent the player's interest and you trust that person.
You don't trust the person on the other side of
the table.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I ran into Jim McMahon and Tahoe and he's in
bad shape, but I think there was thought that he
might lose part of his leg. And I said, well,
but don't you have health benefits? And he said no,
So why doesn't Jim McMahon like, help me understand this.
I mean, do you get it for like five years
(33:04):
and then that's it, You're done.
Speaker 8 (33:07):
So there's a couple different ways.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I think.
Speaker 8 (33:08):
One, we've talked about lifetime healthcare forever. That's been a
conversation for twenty five years, probably longer at the union.
The issue is that is not an option because no
one is offering lifetime healthcare. To get lifetime healthcare, you
need an institution to give you lifetime healthcare, and there
is nobody willing to offer it. No one's willing to
take on that risk, no matter what the payment is.
(33:29):
So that's the reality. So the next step goes, how
do you get insurance to players. What we have right
now is if you vest, you get five years post
career health insurance. You also build up an HR account.
If you map those out, you can build up some
insurance for a while. What we need to do is
find other ways to supplement the insurance coverage until we
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have an institution that is willing to give us lifetime
healthcare and we have the money to pay for it,
because again that is part of the revenue split. Everything
comes out of the revenue split. So if we wanted
lifetime health care and we could afford it, it would
come out of whether the salary cap or other benefits.
But right now that is not an option. So I
think one of the important things of the union is
going through and figuring out how to give coverage. We
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have disability benefits, we have health we have JA accounts,
we have post career healthcare. We have a bunch of
different things that if you stack up the right way,
you can have coverage for a long time. But it's
not as clean as just like a single plan that
lasts forever.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
JC, thanks for joining us. Good luck, absolutely thank you.
J C. Treader, former NFLPA president, chief strategy officer, and
of course played in the NFL. I heard from a
lot of different people, heard a lot. I heard from
a current player, former player, current agent, and somebody in
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the home office of the NFL. When they realized we
were having they reached out to me and everybody kind
of had the same thought of don't let him off
the hook. This is about a democracy. You're supposed to
be running this. They're supposed to be transparency. There's a
lot going on the vetting process for hiring the guy
at the NFLPA. I don't know, it's hard to go.
(35:11):
You know, twenty eleven sexual discrimination retaliation might stand out
a little bit there. You know, prior jobs, companies issues there,
and then all of a sudden you got somebody that's
put in place here but going to strip clubs and
then charging that, you know, back to the NFLPA. I mean,
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that's bold, that's bold. The players deserve better than this
because they get taken advantage of. It. Feels like every
time there's a collective bargaining agreement. It's not like baseball
Baseball's union when Donald Pier was running it, Marvin Miller,
nobody messed with it. They ran the show. You know,
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that's unfortunate that you know, somebody puts self interest, you know,
having a my view, do I think there was collusion, Yes,
I do. I think that these owners realized that. I
was told this specifically right after the Deshaun Watson deal.
Two owners were livid, livid, and I said, well, are
(36:15):
their quarterbacks going to be coming up for guaranteed contracts?
And I was told yes, So do I think that
you know? Bidwell and Spanos talked about Justin Herbert Kyler Murray, Yes,
I do. Yes, Does anything happen? I mean that's really
the key as we move forward. Does anything really happen
with any of this other than you get new people
(36:37):
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Speaker 2 (36:54):
I apologize privately, I will apologize publicly. To Jim McMahon,
the former Chicago Bear quarterback. I shared details of a
conversation I had with him at Lake Tahoe, and he
was he was in good spirits, but he talked about
how messed up his ankle is and had surgery and
(37:18):
thought that he might lose his leg or a portion
of his leg. And I talked about you know what
kind of health plan health care plan with the NFL,
and he said, we don't have any. So he's paying
out a pocket for all these procedures. And and I
go back a long way with Jim. There were there
(37:39):
were some years that were really really dark, dark years
for Jim McMahon. Stayed in bed most of the day,
shades were shut. He just sat there and watched war
movies and battling depression. And you know, they finally figured
out what was causing this, and he's still in good spirits.
(38:05):
But I probably should have kept that to myself, But
I was trying to make a point to J. C. Tretder,
formerly of the NFL Players Association, that we kick these
guys to the curb. I mean, it's such a what
are you doing for me?
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Now?
Speaker 2 (38:22):
What have you done for me lately? And you know,
we all have memories of Jim McMahon, But then all
of a sudden you look up, it's like Steve McMichael,
the former Chicago beargrade like these guys have to live
with what injuries they sign up for this. I know
that all of that. I understand that there just should
(38:44):
be a better process, better care for these players when
they're done because we move on and then we'll see somebody.
You'll see Earl Campbell in a wheelchair, and I remember
seeing him years ago in Houston. I went, oh my god,
he couldn't walk. Earl Campbell couldn't walk. You see a
(39:05):
lot of these players and it sometimes it's physical, sometimes
it's mental. Sometimes it's both. But being a star and
then that's it going. So I brought that up, probably selfishly,
because I felt bad when I saw Jim in Tyhee
And once again McMahon had a smile on his face
(39:27):
and he wasn't complaining. He was laughing, telling jokes. He
was being Jim McMahon. But I said, man, you're limping.
He goes, oh, man, let me show you this. He
showed me surgeries. Oh god. And that's when I said, oh, well,
you you know, how's your healthcare plan? He goes, we
don't have any. I went, oh my god. He goes,
(39:47):
I'm paying out of pocket. Well I don't know what
he's making now because he didn't do anything. But yeah. So,
and with the NFL Players Association, I know that might
be inside foot, but you know, questions need to be
asked sometimes, and I appreciate JC Tredder coming on, but
(40:08):
I just don't think you can have the title of
cheap Strategy officer and not be aware of what's going on.
And it feels like there's a lot of finger pointing
and nobody's really taken accountability here. But at least he
came on. I appreciate that because a lot of people
in his position probably would not. So, all right, we
(40:36):
got a minute and a half. I don't even know
what direction to go in a minute and a half here,
so I apologize.
Speaker 6 (40:41):
Yeah, you can read more about it if you go
to NFL dot com. There's pretty clear websites and things
about benefits for former players vested players who have played
at least two years. Generally after you retire or leave
the game, you get about five years of coverage via
the NFL if you're vested meaning playing two or more
full So there's a lot of detail there you could
(41:02):
read about, but it's really capped at five seasons after
you retire, no matter how long you play.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Well, a shout out to Pablo Torre because he's been
doing great investigative work here and he's the one who
uncovered a lot of this information. That's coming out now
that maybe we wouldn't have known about it, but owners colluding,
the head of the Players Association, his backstory going to
(41:28):
strip clubs, and just feels like there's a lot that's
going on there and probably more fallout to happen. All right,
two hours in the books, one more to go on
this Tuesday, Fritzy Seat and Marv Pauli Years truly Dan
Patrick Show.
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