May 20, 2025 • 41 mins
Dan doesn’t think we need to see NFL players playing flag football in the Olympics. And NFL insider Albert Breer stops by to update everyone on the progress being made on the ‘Tush Push” ban and NFL players in the Olympics.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Hour two.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
On this Tuesday, Dan and the Dan Nets Dan Patrick Show,
we will take you to the NFL owners meetings in Minnesota.
Minneapolis coming up here in about twenty minutes. We'll talk
to Albert Breer, the Monday Morning Quarterback. And yes, there
is going to be a vote on the Tush push
today or tomorrow, trying to get the requisite owners the
(00:25):
number that you need to be able to get rid
of the Tush push. And I do think that the
NFL wants to do that. I think they're modifying language
here and that's why they tabled it the last time
they all got together, because the commissioner is not going
to have you vote on something that he knows is
not going to pass, and that's why they tabled it. Now,
(00:46):
you do sort of the backroom dealings here, you talk
to some of the owners. Maybe there's data out there
that talks about potential injuries. The language in the Tush
push is what I was told about yesterday, that they
needed to clean it up, modify it, and the latest
installment of what the language will be they've taken out
of paragraph. But we'll talk to Albert Breer also flag football.
(01:11):
They're going to vote on that. I don't get this.
I'm missing something because they're Okay, the NFL was really
proactive in getting flag football into the LA Olympics. From
what I'm told, a vote on whether to allow NFL
players to participate in flag football in the Olympics expected
(01:34):
to pass at the meeting today. This, according to Adam Schefter,
got to have at least twenty four of the owners
twenty four to thirty two, and then you have to
negotiate with the NFL Players Association. The resolution on Olympic
flag football participation is, you're going to allow one player
(01:57):
on each team to try to qualify to play.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
For the national team.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
So there's only one player in the NFL who will
play for Team USA from what I'm understanding, and that
if somebody wants to play who is from Canada, somebody
is from England or South Africa or Australia and they
play in the NFL, then they're going to give them
the opportunity to do that. Okay, unless it's a marquee player.
(02:26):
I couldn't care less than an NFL player is going
to play in the NFL. So permission for any player
under NFL contract to participate in tryouts, a limit of
one player per NFL team on each national team participating. Okay,
if I'm the Dolphins owner, am I letting Tyreek Hill play?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
No?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Am I going to let Joe Burrow play?
Speaker 5 (02:53):
No?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I mean I get it.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
You want to grow the sport around the world by
playing flag football. You want boys and girls to be
playing flag football around the world. Okay, and that's that's
the endgame here. This is like, look at us, the
NFL and flag football. Okay, it's one player for Team USA.
I don't know who that's going to be. And if
(03:16):
you're an owner, are you going to allow that player
to play? I like how they talk about, you know,
salary cap credit for any player who's injured, a purchase
of league wide insurance policies.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
We don't need NFL players in the Olympics playing flag football. Now,
if you said every country had an NFL quarterback plan
for him, okay, I'm interested. Other than that, I couldn't
care less about this, But man, is this an initiative
for the NFL. You get to try out for the
Olympics with flag football? I would rather let the flag.
(04:00):
Football players play. This is what they do, this is
what they developed. This should be them playing and showcasing
the sport. I don't needed gimmicky. Oh who's playing? I
don't know, Tank Dell Okay, I don't care. We'll talk
(04:25):
to Albert Breer about this. And of course the Toush
push coming out.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Say good morning.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
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affiliates around the country. Big Night tonight. I got the
party bus parked outside. I stocked it with beer, nothing else,
although a couple of the back room guys apparently brought
their own liquor. We will not have liquor on the
bus if we win. On the way back, champagne, but
(04:55):
that's it. We're not gonna have liquor going down because
here's the thing. The happy hour is hours. It's from
four to six, and then the ceremony doesn't start till seven.
So that means if you get there it's four to seven,
that you're going to be drinking.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Yeah see, I know from past experience that it's definitely
a ceremony long enough that your buzz wears off and
then you're just tired.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Well, I'm trying to limit the collateral damage for the show.
That's not a bad idea.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, but I think if you have maybe it's a
two drink maximum, not a two drink minimum, because there's
a couple of guys in the back, including Dylan that
can get after it.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yes, don So what's that.
Speaker 7 (05:42):
Must have happened between six and seven? Is there a
red carpet pregame show that we don't know about, Like,
that's a full hour to wait around. Yeah, have your
little appetize and drinks and mingle. Then they should be
able to go right into to your seat and get
it going.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I don't remember it being this hour.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
That was just a you kind of get from the
reception cocktail to your seat. It's not a very far walk,
you know, it'll take you about five minutes to get there.
But six to seven. I don't know what happens from
six to seven, but I know from four to six
it's appetizers. Oh, this is this is Fritzy is so excited.
(06:19):
Nobody loves apps the way you do.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
I love that we were hanging out right by the
kitchen so that she have to come to us.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Yeah, he would have to come to us first.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
It was really sad. It was if you noticed it,
which I did my entire group. It felt like was
right by the kitchen. So when they came out the
waiters and waitresses, Fritzy and a couple other guys were
just grabbing and then you build up, you know, some
kind of rapport with one of the waitresses, and she
would stop and then make sure that you, you know,
(06:48):
got to take what you wanted and then get some
drinks as well.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Didn't have to go very far.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
And technically you're supposed to only take one.
Speaker 7 (06:54):
When you start taking three or four of them and
there's only like nine of them on the plate, that's
probably rude.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
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We have Hockey tonight, we have NBA Tonight. You have
Panthers at the Hurricanes and the Timberwolves at the Thunder,
and looking at the point spreads the Thunder healthy seven
and a half point favorite, and then the next when
they play the Pacers will be a four and a
(07:20):
half point favorite as well. People will talk about, oh
there's no marquee team in the NBA finals. You know
the Knicks used to be or they sometimes get presented
as a marquee team.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
They're an entertaining team.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
You have the big market of course with New York,
smaller markets in comparison with Minnesota, OKC in Indianapolis.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
But I mean, I watch, I.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Don't care what the ratings are or they're worried about
the ratings. I mean, that's all nonsense for you know,
TV executives, network executives, league commissioners.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I couldn't care less. Either want to watch you or
you don't. That's all.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
But I do like that you get a couple of
these younger players getting the platform, getting the stage. And
ant Man was here last year. Okay, see with Shay Gilges,
this will be you know, maybe the first time some
people a lot of people watch him play and this
team play, and then you're gonna have Jalen Brunson, who
was ready for this moment, and then we'll see what
(08:21):
Tyrese Haliburton has in store. But you know you're gonna
watch Indiana. Then you're gonna go who do I know here?
Probably not many players, but watch them play. They are
they're efficient. Now once again, this isn't Oh my god,
come in, honey. Watch the pacers be efficient, watch them
(08:43):
spread the floor. Wow, they make the extra pass. Okay,
there's not anything exciting. You know, they don't lead the
league in highlights there. But if you love basketball, then
you could appreciate that. I'm not saying it's for everybody.
It's not sexy at all. New York will be fun
because of it's the Garden and those who will show up,
(09:06):
and that crowd is ready to go, The city is
ready to go. But Indiana is a really good team,
and you know here, this is what it'll come down to.
Indiana has a great bench, and if their starters aren't
playing well, that bench comes in and all of a sudden,
you know they can lift up the team or keep
them competitive.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
The Knicks are going to play.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Six players, seven players maybe, and you know this might
be a war of attrition. If I'm Indiana, I'm gonna
I'm gonna go and I'm gonna make you go the
entire time. And then we bring in reinforcements off the bench,
and you have an experience. You have two experienced coaches here.
You know, Rick Carlile's won a title before. Tom Thibodeau
(09:49):
has been a great coach for a long long time.
So Shay Gilgis is not an exciting player. He is
going to put up great numbers. Amp Man is an
exciting player, and you know that's what we're watching. There'll
be some players where you go, he's pretty good. He's
(10:10):
a lot better than I thought. Oh damn, Rudy Gobert
is there. Oh that's the guy that Dan makes fun
of them all the time, the guy with four Defensive
Player of the Year awards. Doesn't that make you an
automatic Hall of Famer. Yes, it's got it right, Yeah, Yeah,
it's like Ben Wallace, dang well, Yes.
Speaker 8 (10:33):
If you don't love teams, it is. If you don't
love teams at jack a ton of threes only the
Timberwolves are top ten in the league, remaining in the playoffs.
Three point attempts this season.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, we're kind of like a bad NBA team taking threes.
We're zero for five with the Sports Emmys and we
could go for six here tonight.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Just keep shooting. Yeah, that's what we do.
Speaker 9 (10:59):
Yeah, But I think this playoff run is important for
the NBA because now you're developing new stars on the
biggest stage. There's no Steph, there's no Giannis, there's no Joker,
there's no Lebron, there's no KD. So now you can
have new stars on the biggest stage. Not in the
conference semifinals. Two new stars are going to be in
the NBA Finals.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I'm just I know what's gonna happen, that this is
gonna be a negative and nobody's gonna watch and ratings
will be down, and I just watch, you know, I
don't want somebody telling me to watch or not watch.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
You know this. You either want to watch it or
you don't.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
Yes, these numbers only matter when comparing them to w
NBA numbers. See the only time that those numbers actually matter. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
A couple of phone calls here, Jimmy and Tampa. Hi, Jimmy,
what's on your own today?
Speaker 10 (11:54):
Going?
Speaker 4 (11:54):
And Dan?
Speaker 10 (11:55):
What's up?
Speaker 11 (11:55):
Boys?
Speaker 10 (11:56):
And Hello Fritzy. I had two comments for you, Dan.
One with the push tush I'll tell you I used
to run a full back and I hated when these
huge linemen used to land on my ankles. I hurt
my knees a couple of times when they were doing that.
The second one was yesterday with the the NFL flag.
(12:16):
My kids play and she's a girl, she plays quarterback
for Panellas County, and it's just gonna be a great
opportunity for these kids, especially girls. For get scholarships and
stuff like that. And I don't know, just a shout
out to U and thank coach Dennis and Panella's out.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
There all right, thank you, Jimmy a powerhouse. Yeah, of
course I think it's great. But let the flag football
players play in the Olympics. They're trying to gimmick this up, like,
oh man, there's gonna be an NFL player out there,
unless it's a marquee player. I couldn't care less. Mike
in La, Hi, Mike, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 10 (12:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (12:58):
Hey, Dan and Fritzy. You know, thanks for taking my call.
Fritzy real quick, that's a backhanded acknowledgement there, you understand
the moment. But first I wanted to say, as an
offensive guy, you know, the way they're coming after this
tush push and aiding the runner, you know, I'd like
to propose, you know, to the league, why don't we
(13:19):
crack down also on assisting the tackler, you know, for
a player that makes first contact on the tackler. Everyone
wants to just stop and see if he can.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
No, no, Ashton gents would never be brought down. If
that was the case, he would have rushed for thirty
five hundred yards. Hey, only one one tackler per runner. No, no,
we can't do that. Thank you, Mike, Jason and Florida.
Hi Jason, what's on your mind? Hey Jason, Thank you.
(13:56):
Jays Curtis and Illinois. Hi Curtis, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I want a DP Good luck tonight.
Speaker 12 (14:03):
Regarding the flag football, I really like the NFL's initiative
to get kids into the sport and they even sponsor,
Like I love watching my son play it so he
can learn the game. But in terms of it being
an Olympic sport, it just drives me nuts for the
fact that you're going to take not even close to
the best players and put them in a sport. It'd
(14:24):
be in my mind like if the MLB wanted to
expand the game and draw more attention to it having
t ball in the Olympics.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
No.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, I'm all for inclusion different things. You know, there
was break dancing in Paris. I've been a proponent for
jump rope that maybe you bring competitive jump rope into
the Olympics. You know, take chances on these things. But
the NFL is great at making money. This is what
this is about, not necessarily about the Olympics. It's about
(14:55):
spreading the word about flag football. And if you have
an NFL player playing flag football in the Olympics, then
you'll get more intention on this. You want to grow
the sport around the world. Flag football is wonderful, But
just because one player is playing for Team USA and
that's it, it doesn't make me want to go out
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of my way to go let me watch that player play.
I'm more interested. And if you've seen flag football, competitive
flag football, it seems like everybody's around six to one,
one hundred and forty five or one hundred and fifty
pounds and they are all quick.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yes, Marvin, a.
Speaker 9 (15:33):
Lot of Roscoe parishes out there.
Speaker 8 (15:35):
There's no room for Helodi, Nada, no, no, no. I'm
watching it right now. I'm watching USA versus Italy and
it's like a mad scramble. It's reminiscent of like a
two minute drill in the NFL that people are running
in all different ways, and like you said, everyone's about
five eleven to six to one, about one hundred and
sixty or seventy pounds.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
And they do these seven on seven drills. When you
go to camps, you know, for kids wide receivers and quarterbacks,
it'll be quick pace, it'll be fun. But the NFL
they're hell bent on making sure. You know, we're gonna
have an NFL player play on Teavy. Let's say, alrighty,
let's go.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Who's with me?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
No Fey Albert Breer will join us from the owners meetings.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
We'll take a break. We're back after this.
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Speaker 2 (17:32):
NFL owners meetings taking place in Minneapolis. Albert Breers the
Monday morning quarterback, but he works every morning, including Tuesdays,
and he joins us now the senior NFL reporter. Okay,
what's the headline today? What's the headline going to be
coming out of the owners meetings?
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Well, today it's gonna be the Olympics.
Speaker 14 (17:52):
Tomorrow it'll be what happens with the tush push and
playoff seating. I think the Olympic thing is gonna sail through,
and I think that there's a lot of big picture
things that the owners are thinking about there. You know,
as you know Dan, like football is a tough sport
to export, you know, if you're trying to get kids
overseas playing, and you know, it's not like basketball or
(18:14):
soccer where you can just set up a couple of
goals or a couple of hoops and roll out the
balls and and and and teach kids. There's a lot
of infrastructure that goes into building it up and trying
to legitimize flag football has been the NFL's way of
trying to get around that. And you know, they're trying
to make it a vrsity sport and high schools here.
(18:34):
It's a way to engage young girls and try to
get them involved. And and you know, obviously now overseas
is a lot easier to bring the flag version than
the tackle version overseas. So that's an initiative that's that's
been a long standing one for the league. And I
think they're probably gonna vote things, so it'll get interesting
when we figure out who actually would go. But I
(18:55):
think they'll vote that through today and then tomorrow the
Tush push is going to be voted on, and I
think that that one the Commissioner of the League office
really want to get that through. Whether or not it
winds up winning the vote, I think is up in
the air. My guess would be they pushed something through,
but they have adjusted that. The Packers proposal has been
(19:16):
significantly adjusted over the last twenty four hours. And then
and then you have the playoff seating thing, which at
least feels to me right now like more of a
they're setting the stage for twenty twenty six. I don't
know that after only having a handful of teams supporting
it in March, that they're going to be able to
vote that through tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
What role do the Eagles play in the Tush push.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
They've been pretty aggressive and fighting it, you know.
Speaker 14 (19:45):
Hollie Roseman stood up at the owners meeting in March
and basically said that, well, like, if you say this
is such a dangerous play, I want to see the
injury data, and there really isn't injury data. And what
the chief Medical officer of the NFL said to the
room was, we haven't had major injuries, but when we
have one based on the posture of the quarterback on
this play, it's going to be catastrophic. And it's interesting
(20:09):
because that's one argument, and then teams that are for
banning it, it's a different argument.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
It's it's not a football play, it's a rugby play.
Speaker 14 (20:18):
So, you know, like the Eagles have been steadfast and
feeling like they're being targeted here and feeling like this
is only an issue because they've gotten so good at it,
and they think it's a bad precedent for the league
to set when one team gets really good at one
thing and it's deemed unfair that now you can, you know,
(20:39):
find a way to get it taken out of the game.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
At the same time, if you go back.
Speaker 14 (20:43):
To two thousand and four, there was a rule in
the books that prevented all pushing and pulling of offensive teammates,
and that got repealed for reasons that had nothing to
do with what Philly's doing. The reason why was because
downfield blocks have become harder and officiate and delineating whether
or not you know, an offensive player was blocking a
(21:05):
defender or pushing his own teammate across, you know, aligned
to gain the goal line. Whatever so it's complicated. There's
a lot that's going into it. Again, the Eagles were
vocal in March, and they've certainly you know, been on
the phones over the last few days too and trying
to make their case to other teams that'll be voting tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Let me go back to the Olympics, because I said
that I get what the NFL wants. They want expansion,
and they're not going to do expansion where you're playing
pro football around the country or around the world and
having NFL teams in different cities. How you grow football,
You grow football with flag football because all you need
is really a football, then you know, a field to
(21:44):
play on. They want to compete with soccer, you know, globally,
they want to compete with basketball. Globally you get boys
and girls playing. I'm all for all of that, varsity sport,
all for that. I just don't get the gimmick of
we got one play player who will represent team USA,
who's an NFL player who cares.
Speaker 14 (22:07):
Yeah, And I don't know, I mean, and I'm I'm
skeptical that it's gonna even like work that way.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Can I tell you a personal story having this one day?
Speaker 3 (22:15):
And sure?
Speaker 14 (22:17):
So Back when I was in college at Ohio State,
we were in a fraternity league and we had a
bunch of us played high school football, and we wound
up winning our fraternity league, right, And we won our
fraternity league by playing you know, like we're running football plays.
So then you know, we kind of like we're like, well,
what happened? What would happen if we entered this like
Nike Elite League, right, And so we got.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Our freaking doors blown off playing in this Nike Elite League.
Speaker 14 (22:43):
And what we found out and doing that was like
like this flag league, Like it wasn't like football. It
was a different sport altogether. There were laterals and pitches
and it was and it had nothing to do with size,
and it's just like it like it's a it's a
different thing altogether if you're really doing it. So you know,
like I understand the concept of putting NFL players out there,
(23:08):
I just wonder if the juice is worth the squeeze,
you know what I mean, Like, Okay, so you get
a little more attention on it by putting NFL players
out there, but are they the best players in the
world at that specific thing? If you're giving people five
years to train for this. Are you saying like an
NFL player will be ready in a month to go
(23:29):
and compete? And if I'm a team like I look
at that and say, like, that's one of the guys
getting ready for training camp. So instead of, you know,
getting ready for the riggers of an NFL season, he's
going to be doing something completely different than preparing for
tackle football. I it's just it's complicated for all of
those reasons, and I think the risk here would be
(23:50):
are you just turning this into a freak show?
Speaker 4 (23:52):
You know what I mean? Like it's just like, okay, like, come.
Speaker 14 (23:55):
Watch the come watch the two hundred and fifty pounds
tight end go out and and and and play against
a bunch of one hundred and eighty pound guys from France,
you know what I mean? Like, is that what we're
doing here? And is that good for the long term
viability of flag football as a sport?
Speaker 4 (24:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 14 (24:13):
I think those are all questions that are worthy, and
I don't know one way or the other. I'm not
saying I have all the answers, but I think those
are all viable questions.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Talking Albert Breer the Monday Morning quarterback joining us from
the owners meetings the Rock party contract. A lot of
times we get the final number and we go wow,
but then you break it down and you get guaranteed money.
I know there's no trade clause in there. What was
the strategy on both sides here to get to this number?
Speaker 14 (24:38):
So I think there were there were three clamps that
they were working off of. You know, because the one
thing that the Niners established right away is we're not
going to be breaking records here, like that's that.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Can't be the goal of this negotiation.
Speaker 14 (24:53):
And so you know, party side that basically came back
at them and said, okay, well then we need strong guarantees,
we need strong structure.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
You know, a guy who was once mister Irrelevant, and.
Speaker 14 (25:02):
You know, with the Niners history of being able to
win with different quarterbacks, I think what what brock Perdy
really wanted here was affirmation, like, you know, this contract
shows that I'm going to be your guy for the
foreseeable future and there aren't like all these trap doors
that will allow for you to get out of the contract.
And so, you know, the three comps that they had
(25:23):
worked off of were Jalen Hurts to a tongue of
Aloa and Jared Goff, and I think the one that
they came closest with was Goff.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Where you have, you know, a.
Speaker 14 (25:33):
Team that's a winning team in Detroit, where you have
a quarterback who's a really good player, who's got a
lot of good players around him, and you know, the
quarterback in that case, Jared Goff in that case wasn't
consumed without getting every taking every dollar off the table.
But you know, he wanted to know that he was
going to be the Lions quarterback going forward. And so
(25:55):
I think that those were the constant I think when
you look at it, you know, when the full details
come out, we'll see. My sense is that like about
one hundred and seventy six million is going to be
virtually guaranteed, and this contract will reflect you can bank
on Brock Party being the quarterback for the next four years,
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so twenty twenty five through twenty twenty eight. So the
Niners do a deal that in this environment is reasonable
at at at fifty three million dollars per year, and
Party gets his assurances that he's going to be their
guy going forward.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Should we extract anything more than what we probably already
have with Caleb Williams and his father and the story
that's coming out that they were going to try to
blow up the draft because he didn't want to go
to the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Yeah, two things.
Speaker 14 (26:45):
Number One, I would say it's a tough look for
Mattyberflus and Shane Waldron and the guys who were on
the staff last year. I mean that it just it
sucks because I think for those guys, they're going to
have to answer those questions now, Like, you know, if
they have to interview for another job, what do you
think the first question is going to be, you mean
you didn't we didn't have your quarterback learning how to
watch film?
Speaker 4 (27:04):
What was going on there? You know, So.
Speaker 14 (27:07):
There could be some effect there. I don't think it's
gonna have an effect in the new staff because Ben
Johnson wasn't there for that obviously, you know. And then
the second piece of it, I think it's just kind.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Of where we're at with pro athletes right now. And
I think it's.
Speaker 14 (27:18):
Notable too, because we talked about this with Marvin Harrison
last year, right like, and Marvin Harrison handled his pre
draft process so differently than almost any other athlete we've
seen and that he very much limited the teams he
was he was gonna he was he was he was
going to meet with extensively beyond just the combine. He
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didn't take a physical at the combine, which was you know,
a little out of whack right like as far as
a lot.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Of NFL people saw it.
Speaker 14 (27:47):
But he's like, if I'm going to be a top
five pick, why do I want to give the other
twenty seven teams my my medical information?
Speaker 4 (27:54):
And then you know.
Speaker 14 (27:55):
He he also like didn't work out for the larger group,
so and he had asked teams like, do you need
me to work out?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
And they said no to him.
Speaker 14 (28:05):
And really the overarching thing with Marvin there was he
handled the entire thing like a business proposition. Why is
that relevant with Marvin and Caleb Williams, Well, because they
were the first high school class to enter college in
the nil era, So these guys have legitimately been businessmen
since they were eighteen years old. It's the first group
that came out of high school into the NIL era.
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I thought that was notable with Marvin, and I think
it's notable here with Caleb. Caleb asked these big picture
questions that guys ten, fifteen, twenty years ago may not
have asked. And I think it's part of what this
generation of athlete.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Is going to be. They're entering the league with money in.
Speaker 14 (28:40):
Their pocket, they have some leverage because of it, and
they've had, you know, the chance to kind of write
their ticket right up until they enter the NFL. And so,
you know, I think for Caleb it was kind of
what we've seen about him resisting going to Chicago was
part of a bigger picture thing, which is I'm handling
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I'm handling my business affairs like their business affairs, like
this is these this is this is big business, and
I'm going to treat it as such.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
And you know, and even though he didn't go.
Speaker 14 (29:11):
Through with it, the fact that he just explored it,
I think as a precursor to more guys handling their
pre draft process this way because they're more prepared to
based on what they went through in college.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Well, how surprised are you that somebody hasn't pulled in
Eli Manning?
Speaker 14 (29:25):
It's I mean, it's yeah, it's surprising, But like how
many guys really have the leverage to do it?
Speaker 4 (29:31):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 14 (29:32):
Like, how many guys are that level I mean Caleb
was seen as on the level of Trevor Lawrence and
Andrew Luck and that's probably it, you know, over the
last twenty years.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
So there aren't a ton of guys who have the
leverage to pull it off.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
What about arch Manning?
Speaker 14 (29:50):
He might yeah, I mean like and we'll see, right like,
because I don't know if Archie is going to come
out like after next year. I think you and I
I think you'd agree with me in this, right, Like,
based on the family history, I I think hes probably
gonna spend at least two more years at Texas.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
It would be my guess.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
But yeah, I mean, like he certainly could do that,
you know, like where.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
But he's going to get an idea where he could
go if he used.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
He's got to play well obviously let's established effort.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah, yeah, he's got.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
But let's say the Saints are right there with the
number one pick, right, would then that, you know, help
him with his decision that maybe there is a best
case scenario, I would come out to play for my hometown.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
If not, then I'm going to stay and play one
more year.
Speaker 14 (30:30):
I mean, well that's what Peyton did, right Because Peyton,
I mean Peyton.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Was going to the Jets.
Speaker 14 (30:36):
Yes, yeah, with Parcels there, and he decided not to
do it right, Like so like I think Peyton had
I would argue Peyton had that sort of decision on
the table in nineteen ninety seven when he decided to
go back to Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
I mean, it's that's the.
Speaker 14 (30:48):
Ultimate sliding do or situation, like like scenario, by the way,
like what would have happened Peyton Manning went to the Jets?
Like then does Bill Belichick stay in New York?
Speaker 4 (30:57):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 14 (30:58):
Like because he was lined up to be Parcels success or,
Like how many things are different if Peyton Manny comes
out in ninety seven? But yeah, I mean I think
that like he'll certainly I would think based on how
everything's been handled over the years with that family, that
they will weigh everything.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Now.
Speaker 14 (31:16):
I think that the interesting part about the decision that
Arts would have to make if he plays.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
At that level this year.
Speaker 14 (31:24):
Would be the history of quarterbacks that only start one
year is not very good. You know, only start one
year as collegians. There's this some teams look at it
as like this, like this threshold that you have to
get past is twenty five starts?
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Right?
Speaker 14 (31:38):
You want to have twenty five starts in college and
the history of guys who have more than twenty five
starts is much better than guys who don't.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
You know, Arch isn't going to be there at the
end of this year. He'll be sure to that at
the end of this year. So how beneficial does the situation?
Speaker 14 (31:53):
How good does the situation that the NFL team's presenting
that has the number one pick if he plays that well?
How good does that situation have to be to supersede
what might statistically be best for his development?
Speaker 4 (32:05):
I think those are the sorts of questions you'd be asking,
and I think they'd be asking those questions too.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
When do you think will get clarity on what the
Cleveland Browns are doing at quarterback?
Speaker 14 (32:16):
I have to think it's going to be hard for
them to run a four man competition in camp because
you have to get the rest of your team ready
because of the rules, There's only so many opportunities you
get with your first offense out there. You've got to
prepare the other ten guys in the huddle to play football,
to play offense in twenty twenty five, and so you
can't just endlessly have this quarterback derby going on. So
(32:39):
I would think my guests would be they have to
at least get a read on it over the course
of the next five weeks, six weeks and OTAs in
mini camp and allow that to sort of guide them
as far as how good a shot every one of
those guys has it winning the job when we get
to the summer, where it's like at least in their
heads narrowed down a little bit, where they're giving the
(33:00):
best opportunities to the guys who have proven themselves the most. So,
you know, it's funny too, like because I thought about
this and like it's like, well, Joe Flacco could just
because he was there two years ago, he could just
you know, give up some of the reps so the
other guys could get it. Do you think Joe's going
to sign up for that dan? Like I mean, like
he wants to start, you know. So it's like Tommy
Reese is the offensive coordinator. He wasn't there two years ago.
(33:21):
So do you if you're Joe, do you want to
give Kenny Pickett and Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders all
of these reps with the new coordinator that you're not
getting that might give them a leg up in the competition,
which could end up like could like wind up leading
to you losing your job. Like I don't see that
that being like I don't see that being the best
(33:42):
course of action for Joe Flacco either. So it's definitely
complicated in a lot of different ways. And I do
think more so than in a normal compet quarterback competition,
because there are four of them. They have to get
a read on this and have to have an idea
of what the pecking order might be coming out of
the spring. And then I would think you probably are
on the second or third preseason game, are making a
(34:05):
decision on your starter.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
One final thought here with the Aaron Rodgers situation, it
feels like there's people that are talking around the topic
of Aaron playing for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah, your sense
is what talking around in what way that you know, hey,
they could see him playing. There's no news here that
(34:27):
maybe he's got some personal things he needs to take
care of. I mean, he didn't want to go to camp,
you know, hit something else.
Speaker 14 (34:34):
So yeah, so like give me, like, let me give
you the logic on this, Like that, like, I like,
I think I've been able to ascertain based on some
stuff I know, and then some stuff I'm projecting out
a little bit. Like I like, I think the personal
stuff is legitimate. I I would say we should all
respect that, of course. And I think the second piece
(34:56):
of that is if you sign him in April, him
on the April first, and you say, okay, Aaron, you
go take care of your personal stuff, well, you know,
then you've basically signed up for the entire spring, both
you and Aaron being overcome with whnes. He's showing up ones,
he's showing up on'es, he's showing up. Get to the
off season program. Where's Aaron? Where's Aaron? Where's Aaron? Then
that starts again when you start OTA's. It starts again
(35:18):
when you get to mini camp. And so do you
want to sign up for that where it's just hovering
over your team or do.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
You say okay, like you go ahead.
Speaker 14 (35:27):
You take care of your personal stuff, and we'll push
the deal over the goal line when you're ready. I
think that's sort of the attack that the Steelers have taken.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Is there a risk involved?
Speaker 14 (35:37):
Yeah, he can change his mind, you know what I
mean or there could be an injury somewhere or you know,
who knows. But I don't think like the contract's going
to be an issue. I don't think the relationship. I
don't know if there's any issue there. Like I think all
that stuff's taken care of, you know, And now it's
just when when Aaron's ready to sign, and you know,
I think he'll be a Steeler.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
We'll see what happens.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Play nice there at the owner's meeting.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
I'll try, I'll try my best.
Speaker 14 (36:01):
Sometimes I'm not good at that, but I'll try and
try and do it for you, Dan, how about that?
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Have you been yelling at an owner recently?
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Recently? Normally?
Speaker 14 (36:13):
Normally, when an owner is pissed at me, it comes
to some sort of conduit.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
It happened in the fall. It happened in the fall.
Speaker 14 (36:20):
Somebody wasn't wasn't very happy with there were It was
actually like a couple people came at me for my
portrayal of an owner, but it wound up. I'll just
say it wound up all being true. And you know
what I find in these situations, Dan, is that they
get upset at you in the moment and then give
it a few months and fill at me.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
You were right.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
So it was the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Huh, it wasn't the Patriots. You might have the conference
right though.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
There you go, Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Could be the Jets. Never know the Jets. He's a
breer Monday Morning quarterback. Thank you, Albert?
Speaker 4 (36:56):
All right, thanks Dan.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
We'll take a break here.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
We'll get to your phone call coming up and top
of the hour, somebody is predicting Pacers in six.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
He'll join us.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
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Speaker 2 (37:21):
Hey Tani and Mookie Bets hit back to back home
runs in the sixth inning last night, first time they've
had back to back home runs since Game two of
the twenty twenty four World Series.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
Stand of a day, Start of a day, Start of
a day, start of a day.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
This is the start of the day.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
I watched the Brett Favre documentary. It's on Netflix, and
it's an hour long and doesn't paint a doesn't paint
a nice picture at all. And I know, I don't
know if there's anything new in it. Jen Sturger, who
(38:09):
was unfairly brought into all of this by Farb sending,
you know, lewd pictures to her, and she's she's featured
front and center. You don't come away feeling better about
Brett Favre. You might come away from it feeling like, Wow,
(38:30):
they really went after him, because I didn't think they
went after urban Meyer hard enough with all the things
that went on during his coaching tenures.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
But with Farv, they go at him. They go at
him pretty good.
Speaker 8 (38:41):
Yeah, Pauline, you know, we were just in Green Bay,
and there's a I wonder if it's weird for Packers
fans who have two all time great quarterbacks in their
history that both have different levels of baggage and left
under different circumstances. But are those guys still beloved in
that town?
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Completely beloved Farv Is?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
It felt like it didn't feel like and I once again,
this is a small sample size, but you kind of
feel like when you get a small sample size, you're
getting a large sample size. In Green Bay, whenever we
brought up Farv, somebody seemed to have a story about him,
or they saw him, or he was around.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
And then you mentioned Rogers and you would getting it
just wasn't the same.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
And I think Farv just the way he played that
Green Bay embraced that. And it's not to say Rogers
didn't play at a high level, it was Farv played differently.
Aaron Rodgers played pretty FARV played pretty reckless, and that's
the way he lived his life. He's lived his life
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pretty reckless. But then you know, they decided to replace Rogers,
so the same with Farv. And then but Farv wanted
to get back at Green Bay by going to Minnesota
so he would get to play against Green Bay. Now
there was the possibility that Rogers was going to try
to go to Minnesota to be able to get back
(40:10):
at Green Bay. But it feels like Farv is beloved.
Speaker 8 (40:15):
Yes, Pauline, I just went back and looked at Aaron Rodgers'
career at Green Bay. Four hundred and seventy five touchdown
passes and only one hundred and five picks. That is
so much better regular season than any other quarterback in
NFL history. Drastically better.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, regular season, Yeah, I mean, Rodgers is a better quarterback,
but Farv was easier to root for, I think, And
once again, this is just with the people who came
out to the bar when we were doing our show there,
and just how they reacted when you would say Brett
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 6 (40:47):
Yeah, Yeah, it was interesting how Brett farre seemed to
fit the town so well, just based on all of
the people that we were just talking to at the draft,
you know, like you're saying, you met a million people
who had a story about him. He just seemed to
fit and capture the town.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Yeah, Marvin.
Speaker 9 (41:05):
Do you think it's because Aaron Rodgers isn't officially retired
yet and he's still playing that people kind of have
that eye roll towards him.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
I don't know. I don't know. Aaron's not easy to embrace.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Far of it feels like now I don't know how
Green Bay fans are going to react to this documentary,
but not a lot of nice things are said. But
comes out today on Netflix Final Hour on this Tuesday,
Coming Out. Got a text last night that said Pacers
(41:42):
in six. The person who sent me the text will
join us coming Out
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Hour two.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
On this Tuesday, Dan and the Dan Nets Dan Patrick Show,
we will take you to the NFL owners meetings in Minnesota.
Minneapolis coming up here in about twenty minutes. We'll talk
to Albert Breer, the Monday Morning Quarterback. And yes, there
is going to be a vote on the Tush push
today or tomorrow, trying to get the requisite owners the
(00:25):
number that you need to be able to get rid
of the Tush push. And I do think that the
NFL wants to do that. I think they're modifying language
here and that's why they tabled it the last time
they all got together, because the commissioner is not going
to have you vote on something that he knows is
not going to pass, and that's why they tabled it. Now,
(00:46):
you do sort of the backroom dealings here, you talk
to some of the owners. Maybe there's data out there
that talks about potential injuries. The language in the Tush
push is what I was told about yesterday, that they
needed to clean it up, modify it, and the latest
installment of what the language will be they've taken out
of paragraph. But we'll talk to Albert Breer also flag football.
(01:11):
They're going to vote on that. I don't get this.
I'm missing something because they're Okay, the NFL was really
proactive in getting flag football into the LA Olympics. From
what I'm told, a vote on whether to allow NFL
players to participate in flag football in the Olympics expected
(01:34):
to pass at the meeting today. This, according to Adam Schefter,
got to have at least twenty four of the owners
twenty four to thirty two, and then you have to
negotiate with the NFL Players Association. The resolution on Olympic
flag football participation is, you're going to allow one player
(01:57):
on each team to try to qualify to play.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
For the national team.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
So there's only one player in the NFL who will
play for Team USA from what I'm understanding, and that
if somebody wants to play who is from Canada, somebody
is from England or South Africa or Australia and they
play in the NFL, then they're going to give them
the opportunity to do that. Okay, unless it's a marquee player.
(02:26):
I couldn't care less than an NFL player is going
to play in the NFL. So permission for any player
under NFL contract to participate in tryouts, a limit of
one player per NFL team on each national team participating. Okay,
if I'm the Dolphins owner, am I letting Tyreek Hill play?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
No?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Am I going to let Joe Burrow play?
Speaker 5 (02:53):
No?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I mean I get it.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
You want to grow the sport around the world by
playing flag football. You want boys and girls to be
playing flag football around the world. Okay, and that's that's
the endgame here. This is like, look at us, the
NFL and flag football. Okay, it's one player for Team USA.
I don't know who that's going to be. And if
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you're an owner, are you going to allow that player
to play? I like how they talk about, you know,
salary cap credit for any player who's injured, a purchase
of league wide insurance policies.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
We don't need NFL players in the Olympics playing flag football. Now,
if you said every country had an NFL quarterback plan
for him, okay, I'm interested. Other than that, I couldn't
care less about this, But man, is this an initiative
for the NFL. You get to try out for the
Olympics with flag football? I would rather let the flag.
(04:00):
Football players play. This is what they do, this is
what they developed. This should be them playing and showcasing
the sport. I don't needed gimmicky. Oh who's playing? I
don't know, Tank Dell Okay, I don't care. We'll talk
(04:25):
to Albert Breer about this. And of course the Toush
push coming out.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Say good morning.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
If you're watching on Peacock, that's our streaming partner. Download
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affiliates around the country. Big Night tonight. I got the
party bus parked outside. I stocked it with beer, nothing else,
although a couple of the back room guys apparently brought
their own liquor. We will not have liquor on the
bus if we win. On the way back, champagne, but
(04:55):
that's it. We're not gonna have liquor going down because
here's the thing. The happy hour is hours. It's from
four to six, and then the ceremony doesn't start till seven.
So that means if you get there it's four to seven,
that you're going to be drinking.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Yeah see, I know from past experience that it's definitely
a ceremony long enough that your buzz wears off and
then you're just tired.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Well, I'm trying to limit the collateral damage for the show.
That's not a bad idea.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, but I think if you have maybe it's a
two drink maximum, not a two drink minimum, because there's
a couple of guys in the back, including Dylan that
can get after it.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yes, don So what's that.
Speaker 7 (05:42):
Must have happened between six and seven? Is there a
red carpet pregame show that we don't know about, Like,
that's a full hour to wait around. Yeah, have your
little appetize and drinks and mingle. Then they should be
able to go right into to your seat and get
it going.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I don't remember it being this hour.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
That was just a you kind of get from the
reception cocktail to your seat. It's not a very far walk,
you know, it'll take you about five minutes to get there.
But six to seven. I don't know what happens from
six to seven, but I know from four to six
it's appetizers. Oh, this is this is Fritzy is so excited.
(06:19):
Nobody loves apps the way you do.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
I love that we were hanging out right by the
kitchen so that she have to come to us.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Yeah, he would have to come to us first.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
It was really sad. It was if you noticed it,
which I did my entire group. It felt like was
right by the kitchen. So when they came out the
waiters and waitresses, Fritzy and a couple other guys were
just grabbing and then you build up, you know, some
kind of rapport with one of the waitresses, and she
would stop and then make sure that you, you know,
(06:48):
got to take what you wanted and then get some
drinks as well.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Didn't have to go very far.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
And technically you're supposed to only take one.
Speaker 7 (06:54):
When you start taking three or four of them and
there's only like nine of them on the plate, that's
probably rude.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Are stat of the Today has always brought you by
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We have Hockey tonight, we have NBA Tonight. You have
Panthers at the Hurricanes and the Timberwolves at the Thunder,
and looking at the point spreads the Thunder healthy seven
and a half point favorite, and then the next when
they play the Pacers will be a four and a
(07:20):
half point favorite as well. People will talk about, oh
there's no marquee team in the NBA finals. You know
the Knicks used to be or they sometimes get presented
as a marquee team.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
They're an entertaining team.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
You have the big market of course with New York,
smaller markets in comparison with Minnesota, OKC in Indianapolis.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
But I mean, I watch, I.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Don't care what the ratings are or they're worried about
the ratings. I mean, that's all nonsense for you know,
TV executives, network executives, league commissioners.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I couldn't care less. Either want to watch you or
you don't. That's all.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
But I do like that you get a couple of
these younger players getting the platform, getting the stage. And
ant Man was here last year. Okay, see with Shay Gilges,
this will be you know, maybe the first time some
people a lot of people watch him play and this
team play, and then you're gonna have Jalen Brunson, who
was ready for this moment, and then we'll see what
(08:21):
Tyrese Haliburton has in store. But you know you're gonna
watch Indiana. Then you're gonna go who do I know here?
Probably not many players, but watch them play. They are
they're efficient. Now once again, this isn't Oh my god,
come in, honey. Watch the pacers be efficient, watch them
(08:43):
spread the floor. Wow, they make the extra pass. Okay,
there's not anything exciting. You know, they don't lead the
league in highlights there. But if you love basketball, then
you could appreciate that. I'm not saying it's for everybody.
It's not sexy at all. New York will be fun
because of it's the Garden and those who will show up,
(09:06):
and that crowd is ready to go, The city is
ready to go. But Indiana is a really good team,
and you know here, this is what it'll come down to.
Indiana has a great bench, and if their starters aren't
playing well, that bench comes in and all of a sudden,
you know they can lift up the team or keep
them competitive.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
The Knicks are going to play.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Six players, seven players maybe, and you know this might
be a war of attrition. If I'm Indiana, I'm gonna
I'm gonna go and I'm gonna make you go the
entire time. And then we bring in reinforcements off the bench,
and you have an experience. You have two experienced coaches here.
You know, Rick Carlile's won a title before. Tom Thibodeau
(09:49):
has been a great coach for a long long time.
So Shay Gilgis is not an exciting player. He is
going to put up great numbers. Amp Man is an
exciting player, and you know that's what we're watching. There'll
be some players where you go, he's pretty good. He's
(10:10):
a lot better than I thought. Oh damn, Rudy Gobert
is there. Oh that's the guy that Dan makes fun
of them all the time, the guy with four Defensive
Player of the Year awards. Doesn't that make you an
automatic Hall of Famer. Yes, it's got it right, Yeah, Yeah,
it's like Ben Wallace, dang well, Yes.
Speaker 8 (10:33):
If you don't love teams, it is. If you don't
love teams at jack a ton of threes only the
Timberwolves are top ten in the league, remaining in the playoffs.
Three point attempts this season.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, we're kind of like a bad NBA team taking threes.
We're zero for five with the Sports Emmys and we
could go for six here tonight.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Just keep shooting. Yeah, that's what we do.
Speaker 9 (10:59):
Yeah, But I think this playoff run is important for
the NBA because now you're developing new stars on the
biggest stage. There's no Steph, there's no Giannis, there's no Joker,
there's no Lebron, there's no KD. So now you can
have new stars on the biggest stage. Not in the
conference semifinals. Two new stars are going to be in
the NBA Finals.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I'm just I know what's gonna happen, that this is
gonna be a negative and nobody's gonna watch and ratings
will be down, and I just watch, you know, I
don't want somebody telling me to watch or not watch.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
You know this. You either want to watch it or
you don't.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
Yes, these numbers only matter when comparing them to w
NBA numbers. See the only time that those numbers actually matter. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
A couple of phone calls here, Jimmy and Tampa. Hi, Jimmy,
what's on your own today?
Speaker 10 (11:54):
Going?
Speaker 4 (11:54):
And Dan?
Speaker 10 (11:55):
What's up?
Speaker 11 (11:55):
Boys?
Speaker 10 (11:56):
And Hello Fritzy. I had two comments for you, Dan.
One with the push tush I'll tell you I used
to run a full back and I hated when these
huge linemen used to land on my ankles. I hurt
my knees a couple of times when they were doing that.
The second one was yesterday with the the NFL flag.
(12:16):
My kids play and she's a girl, she plays quarterback
for Panellas County, and it's just gonna be a great
opportunity for these kids, especially girls. For get scholarships and
stuff like that. And I don't know, just a shout
out to U and thank coach Dennis and Panella's out.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
There all right, thank you, Jimmy a powerhouse. Yeah, of
course I think it's great. But let the flag football
players play in the Olympics. They're trying to gimmick this up, like,
oh man, there's gonna be an NFL player out there,
unless it's a marquee player. I couldn't care less. Mike
in La, Hi, Mike, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 10 (12:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (12:58):
Hey, Dan and Fritzy. You know, thanks for taking my call.
Fritzy real quick, that's a backhanded acknowledgement there, you understand
the moment. But first I wanted to say, as an
offensive guy, you know, the way they're coming after this
tush push and aiding the runner, you know, I'd like
to propose, you know, to the league, why don't we
(13:19):
crack down also on assisting the tackler, you know, for
a player that makes first contact on the tackler. Everyone
wants to just stop and see if he can.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
No, no, Ashton gents would never be brought down. If
that was the case, he would have rushed for thirty
five hundred yards. Hey, only one one tackler per runner. No, no,
we can't do that. Thank you, Mike, Jason and Florida.
Hi Jason, what's on your mind? Hey Jason, Thank you.
(13:56):
Jays Curtis and Illinois. Hi Curtis, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I want a DP Good luck tonight.
Speaker 12 (14:03):
Regarding the flag football, I really like the NFL's initiative
to get kids into the sport and they even sponsor,
Like I love watching my son play it so he
can learn the game. But in terms of it being
an Olympic sport, it just drives me nuts for the
fact that you're going to take not even close to
the best players and put them in a sport. It'd
(14:24):
be in my mind like if the MLB wanted to
expand the game and draw more attention to it having
t ball in the Olympics.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
No.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, I'm all for inclusion different things. You know, there
was break dancing in Paris. I've been a proponent for
jump rope that maybe you bring competitive jump rope into
the Olympics. You know, take chances on these things. But
the NFL is great at making money. This is what
this is about, not necessarily about the Olympics. It's about
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spreading the word about flag football. And if you have
an NFL player playing flag football in the Olympics, then
you'll get more intention on this. You want to grow
the sport around the world. Flag football is wonderful, But
just because one player is playing for Team USA and
that's it, it doesn't make me want to go out
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of my way to go let me watch that player play.
I'm more interested. And if you've seen flag football, competitive
flag football, it seems like everybody's around six to one,
one hundred and forty five or one hundred and fifty
pounds and they are all quick.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yes, Marvin, a.
Speaker 9 (15:33):
Lot of Roscoe parishes out there.
Speaker 8 (15:35):
There's no room for Helodi, Nada, no, no, no. I'm
watching it right now. I'm watching USA versus Italy and
it's like a mad scramble. It's reminiscent of like a
two minute drill in the NFL that people are running
in all different ways, and like you said, everyone's about
five eleven to six to one, about one hundred and
sixty or seventy pounds.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
And they do these seven on seven drills. When you
go to camps, you know, for kids wide receivers and quarterbacks,
it'll be quick pace, it'll be fun. But the NFL
they're hell bent on making sure. You know, we're gonna
have an NFL player play on Teavy. Let's say, alrighty,
let's go.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Who's with me?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
No Fey Albert Breer will join us from the owners meetings.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
We'll take a break. We're back after this.
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Speaker 2 (17:32):
NFL owners meetings taking place in Minneapolis. Albert Breers the
Monday morning quarterback, but he works every morning, including Tuesdays,
and he joins us now the senior NFL reporter. Okay,
what's the headline today? What's the headline going to be
coming out of the owners meetings?
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Well, today it's gonna be the Olympics.
Speaker 14 (17:52):
Tomorrow it'll be what happens with the tush push and
playoff seating. I think the Olympic thing is gonna sail through,
and I think that there's a lot of big picture
things that the owners are thinking about there. You know,
as you know Dan, like football is a tough sport
to export, you know, if you're trying to get kids
overseas playing, and you know, it's not like basketball or
(18:14):
soccer where you can just set up a couple of
goals or a couple of hoops and roll out the
balls and and and and teach kids. There's a lot
of infrastructure that goes into building it up and trying
to legitimize flag football has been the NFL's way of
trying to get around that. And you know, they're trying
to make it a vrsity sport and high schools here.
(18:34):
It's a way to engage young girls and try to
get them involved. And and you know, obviously now overseas
is a lot easier to bring the flag version than
the tackle version overseas. So that's an initiative that's that's
been a long standing one for the league. And I
think they're probably gonna vote things, so it'll get interesting
when we figure out who actually would go. But I
(18:55):
think they'll vote that through today and then tomorrow the
Tush push is going to be voted on, and I
think that that one the Commissioner of the League office
really want to get that through. Whether or not it
winds up winning the vote, I think is up in
the air. My guess would be they pushed something through,
but they have adjusted that. The Packers proposal has been
(19:16):
significantly adjusted over the last twenty four hours. And then
and then you have the playoff seating thing, which at
least feels to me right now like more of a
they're setting the stage for twenty twenty six. I don't
know that after only having a handful of teams supporting
it in March, that they're going to be able to
vote that through tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
What role do the Eagles play in the Tush push.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
They've been pretty aggressive and fighting it, you know.
Speaker 14 (19:45):
Hollie Roseman stood up at the owners meeting in March
and basically said that, well, like, if you say this
is such a dangerous play, I want to see the
injury data, and there really isn't injury data. And what
the chief Medical officer of the NFL said to the
room was, we haven't had major injuries, but when we
have one based on the posture of the quarterback on
this play, it's going to be catastrophic. And it's interesting
(20:09):
because that's one argument, and then teams that are for
banning it, it's a different argument.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
It's it's not a football play, it's a rugby play.
Speaker 14 (20:18):
So, you know, like the Eagles have been steadfast and
feeling like they're being targeted here and feeling like this
is only an issue because they've gotten so good at it,
and they think it's a bad precedent for the league
to set when one team gets really good at one
thing and it's deemed unfair that now you can, you know,
(20:39):
find a way to get it taken out of the game.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
At the same time, if you go back.
Speaker 14 (20:43):
To two thousand and four, there was a rule in
the books that prevented all pushing and pulling of offensive teammates,
and that got repealed for reasons that had nothing to
do with what Philly's doing. The reason why was because
downfield blocks have become harder and officiate and delineating whether
or not you know, an offensive player was blocking a
(21:05):
defender or pushing his own teammate across, you know, aligned
to gain the goal line. Whatever so it's complicated. There's
a lot that's going into it. Again, the Eagles were
vocal in March, and they've certainly you know, been on
the phones over the last few days too and trying
to make their case to other teams that'll be voting tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Let me go back to the Olympics, because I said
that I get what the NFL wants. They want expansion,
and they're not going to do expansion where you're playing
pro football around the country or around the world and
having NFL teams in different cities. How you grow football,
You grow football with flag football because all you need
is really a football, then you know, a field to
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play on. They want to compete with soccer, you know, globally,
they want to compete with basketball. Globally you get boys
and girls playing. I'm all for all of that, varsity sport,
all for that. I just don't get the gimmick of
we got one play player who will represent team USA,
who's an NFL player who cares.
Speaker 14 (22:07):
Yeah, And I don't know, I mean, and I'm I'm
skeptical that it's gonna even like work that way.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Can I tell you a personal story having this one day?
Speaker 3 (22:15):
And sure?
Speaker 14 (22:17):
So Back when I was in college at Ohio State,
we were in a fraternity league and we had a
bunch of us played high school football, and we wound
up winning our fraternity league, right, And we won our
fraternity league by playing you know, like we're running football plays.
So then you know, we kind of like we're like, well,
what happened? What would happen if we entered this like
Nike Elite League, right, And so we got.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Our freaking doors blown off playing in this Nike Elite League.
Speaker 14 (22:43):
And what we found out and doing that was like
like this flag league, Like it wasn't like football. It
was a different sport altogether. There were laterals and pitches
and it was and it had nothing to do with size,
and it's just like it like it's a it's a
different thing altogether if you're really doing it. So you know,
like I understand the concept of putting NFL players out there,
(23:08):
I just wonder if the juice is worth the squeeze,
you know what I mean, Like, Okay, so you get
a little more attention on it by putting NFL players
out there, but are they the best players in the
world at that specific thing? If you're giving people five
years to train for this. Are you saying like an
NFL player will be ready in a month to go
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and compete? And if I'm a team like I look
at that and say, like, that's one of the guys
getting ready for training camp. So instead of, you know,
getting ready for the riggers of an NFL season, he's
going to be doing something completely different than preparing for
tackle football. I it's just it's complicated for all of
those reasons, and I think the risk here would be
(23:50):
are you just turning this into a freak show?
Speaker 4 (23:52):
You know what I mean? Like it's just like, okay, like, come.
Speaker 14 (23:55):
Watch the come watch the two hundred and fifty pounds
tight end go out and and and and play against
a bunch of one hundred and eighty pound guys from France,
you know what I mean? Like, is that what we're
doing here? And is that good for the long term
viability of flag football as a sport?
Speaker 4 (24:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 14 (24:13):
I think those are all questions that are worthy, and
I don't know one way or the other. I'm not
saying I have all the answers, but I think those
are all viable questions.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Talking Albert Breer the Monday Morning quarterback joining us from
the owners meetings the Rock party contract. A lot of
times we get the final number and we go wow,
but then you break it down and you get guaranteed money.
I know there's no trade clause in there. What was
the strategy on both sides here to get to this number?
Speaker 14 (24:38):
So I think there were there were three clamps that
they were working off of. You know, because the one
thing that the Niners established right away is we're not
going to be breaking records here, like that's that.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Can't be the goal of this negotiation.
Speaker 14 (24:53):
And so you know, party side that basically came back
at them and said, okay, well then we need strong guarantees,
we need strong structure.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
You know, a guy who was once mister Irrelevant, and.
Speaker 14 (25:02):
You know, with the Niners history of being able to
win with different quarterbacks, I think what what brock Perdy
really wanted here was affirmation, like, you know, this contract
shows that I'm going to be your guy for the
foreseeable future and there aren't like all these trap doors
that will allow for you to get out of the contract.
And so, you know, the three comps that they had
(25:23):
worked off of were Jalen Hurts to a tongue of
Aloa and Jared Goff, and I think the one that
they came closest with was Goff.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Where you have, you know, a.
Speaker 14 (25:33):
Team that's a winning team in Detroit, where you have
a quarterback who's a really good player, who's got a
lot of good players around him, and you know, the
quarterback in that case, Jared Goff in that case wasn't
consumed without getting every taking every dollar off the table.
But you know, he wanted to know that he was
going to be the Lions quarterback going forward. And so
(25:55):
I think that those were the constant I think when
you look at it, you know, when the full details
come out, we'll see. My sense is that like about
one hundred and seventy six million is going to be
virtually guaranteed, and this contract will reflect you can bank
on Brock Party being the quarterback for the next four years,
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so twenty twenty five through twenty twenty eight. So the
Niners do a deal that in this environment is reasonable
at at at fifty three million dollars per year, and
Party gets his assurances that he's going to be their
guy going forward.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Should we extract anything more than what we probably already
have with Caleb Williams and his father and the story
that's coming out that they were going to try to
blow up the draft because he didn't want to go
to the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Yeah, two things.
Speaker 14 (26:45):
Number One, I would say it's a tough look for
Mattyberflus and Shane Waldron and the guys who were on
the staff last year. I mean that it just it
sucks because I think for those guys, they're going to
have to answer those questions now, Like, you know, if
they have to interview for another job, what do you
think the first question is going to be, you mean
you didn't we didn't have your quarterback learning how to
watch film?
Speaker 4 (27:04):
What was going on there? You know, So.
Speaker 14 (27:07):
There could be some effect there. I don't think it's
gonna have an effect in the new staff because Ben
Johnson wasn't there for that obviously, you know. And then
the second piece of it, I think it's just kind.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Of where we're at with pro athletes right now. And
I think it's.
Speaker 14 (27:18):
Notable too, because we talked about this with Marvin Harrison
last year, right like, and Marvin Harrison handled his pre
draft process so differently than almost any other athlete we've
seen and that he very much limited the teams he
was he was gonna he was he was he was
going to meet with extensively beyond just the combine. He
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didn't take a physical at the combine, which was you know,
a little out of whack right like as far as
a lot.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Of NFL people saw it.
Speaker 14 (27:47):
But he's like, if I'm going to be a top
five pick, why do I want to give the other
twenty seven teams my my medical information?
Speaker 4 (27:54):
And then you know.
Speaker 14 (27:55):
He he also like didn't work out for the larger group,
so and he had asked teams like, do you need
me to work out?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
And they said no to him.
Speaker 14 (28:05):
And really the overarching thing with Marvin there was he
handled the entire thing like a business proposition. Why is
that relevant with Marvin and Caleb Williams, Well, because they
were the first high school class to enter college in
the nil era, So these guys have legitimately been businessmen
since they were eighteen years old. It's the first group
that came out of high school into the NIL era.
(28:26):
I thought that was notable with Marvin, and I think
it's notable here with Caleb. Caleb asked these big picture
questions that guys ten, fifteen, twenty years ago may not
have asked. And I think it's part of what this
generation of athlete.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Is going to be. They're entering the league with money in.
Speaker 14 (28:40):
Their pocket, they have some leverage because of it, and
they've had, you know, the chance to kind of write
their ticket right up until they enter the NFL. And so,
you know, I think for Caleb it was kind of
what we've seen about him resisting going to Chicago was
part of a bigger picture thing, which is I'm handling
(29:01):
I'm handling my business affairs like their business affairs, like
this is these this is this is big business, and
I'm going to treat it as such.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
And you know, and even though he didn't go.
Speaker 14 (29:11):
Through with it, the fact that he just explored it,
I think as a precursor to more guys handling their
pre draft process this way because they're more prepared to
based on what they went through in college.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Well, how surprised are you that somebody hasn't pulled in
Eli Manning?
Speaker 14 (29:25):
It's I mean, it's yeah, it's surprising, But like how
many guys really have the leverage to do it?
Speaker 4 (29:31):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 14 (29:32):
Like, how many guys are that level I mean Caleb
was seen as on the level of Trevor Lawrence and
Andrew Luck and that's probably it, you know, over the
last twenty years.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
So there aren't a ton of guys who have the
leverage to pull it off.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
What about arch Manning?
Speaker 14 (29:50):
He might yeah, I mean like and we'll see, right like,
because I don't know if Archie is going to come
out like after next year. I think you and I
I think you'd agree with me in this, right, Like,
based on the family history, I I think hes probably
gonna spend at least two more years at Texas.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
It would be my guess.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
But yeah, I mean, like he certainly could do that,
you know, like where.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
But he's going to get an idea where he could
go if he used.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
He's got to play well obviously let's established effort.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah, yeah, he's got.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
But let's say the Saints are right there with the
number one pick, right, would then that, you know, help
him with his decision that maybe there is a best
case scenario, I would come out to play for my hometown.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
If not, then I'm going to stay and play one
more year.
Speaker 14 (30:30):
I mean, well that's what Peyton did, right Because Peyton,
I mean Peyton.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Was going to the Jets.
Speaker 14 (30:36):
Yes, yeah, with Parcels there, and he decided not to
do it right, Like so like I think Peyton had
I would argue Peyton had that sort of decision on
the table in nineteen ninety seven when he decided to
go back to Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
I mean, it's that's the.
Speaker 14 (30:48):
Ultimate sliding do or situation, like like scenario, by the way,
like what would have happened Peyton Manning went to the Jets?
Like then does Bill Belichick stay in New York?
Speaker 4 (30:57):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 14 (30:58):
Like because he was lined up to be Parcels success or,
Like how many things are different if Peyton Manny comes
out in ninety seven? But yeah, I mean I think
that like he'll certainly I would think based on how
everything's been handled over the years with that family, that
they will weigh everything.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Now.
Speaker 14 (31:16):
I think that the interesting part about the decision that
Arts would have to make if he plays.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
At that level this year.
Speaker 14 (31:24):
Would be the history of quarterbacks that only start one
year is not very good. You know, only start one
year as collegians. There's this some teams look at it
as like this, like this threshold that you have to
get past is twenty five starts?
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Right?
Speaker 14 (31:38):
You want to have twenty five starts in college and
the history of guys who have more than twenty five
starts is much better than guys who don't.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
You know, Arch isn't going to be there at the
end of this year. He'll be sure to that at
the end of this year. So how beneficial does the situation?
Speaker 14 (31:53):
How good does the situation that the NFL team's presenting
that has the number one pick if he plays that well?
How good does that situation have to be to supersede
what might statistically be best for his development?
Speaker 4 (32:05):
I think those are the sorts of questions you'd be asking,
and I think they'd be asking those questions too.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
When do you think will get clarity on what the
Cleveland Browns are doing at quarterback?
Speaker 14 (32:16):
I have to think it's going to be hard for
them to run a four man competition in camp because
you have to get the rest of your team ready
because of the rules, There's only so many opportunities you
get with your first offense out there. You've got to
prepare the other ten guys in the huddle to play football,
to play offense in twenty twenty five, and so you
can't just endlessly have this quarterback derby going on. So
(32:39):
I would think my guests would be they have to
at least get a read on it over the course
of the next five weeks, six weeks and OTAs in
mini camp and allow that to sort of guide them
as far as how good a shot every one of
those guys has it winning the job when we get
to the summer, where it's like at least in their
heads narrowed down a little bit, where they're giving the
(33:00):
best opportunities to the guys who have proven themselves the most. So,
you know, it's funny too, like because I thought about
this and like it's like, well, Joe Flacco could just
because he was there two years ago, he could just
you know, give up some of the reps so the
other guys could get it. Do you think Joe's going
to sign up for that dan? Like I mean, like
he wants to start, you know. So it's like Tommy
Reese is the offensive coordinator. He wasn't there two years ago.
(33:21):
So do you if you're Joe, do you want to
give Kenny Pickett and Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders all
of these reps with the new coordinator that you're not
getting that might give them a leg up in the competition,
which could end up like could like wind up leading
to you losing your job. Like I don't see that
that being like I don't see that being the best
(33:42):
course of action for Joe Flacco either. So it's definitely
complicated in a lot of different ways. And I do
think more so than in a normal compet quarterback competition,
because there are four of them. They have to get
a read on this and have to have an idea
of what the pecking order might be coming out of
the spring. And then I would think you probably are
on the second or third preseason game, are making a
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decision on your starter.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
One final thought here with the Aaron Rodgers situation, it
feels like there's people that are talking around the topic
of Aaron playing for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah, your sense
is what talking around in what way that you know, hey,
they could see him playing. There's no news here that
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maybe he's got some personal things he needs to take
care of. I mean, he didn't want to go to camp,
you know, hit something else.
Speaker 14 (34:34):
So yeah, so like give me, like, let me give
you the logic on this, Like that, like, I like,
I think I've been able to ascertain based on some
stuff I know, and then some stuff I'm projecting out
a little bit. Like I like, I think the personal
stuff is legitimate. I I would say we should all
respect that, of course. And I think the second piece
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of that is if you sign him in April, him
on the April first, and you say, okay, Aaron, you
go take care of your personal stuff, well, you know,
then you've basically signed up for the entire spring, both
you and Aaron being overcome with whnes. He's showing up ones,
he's showing up on'es, he's showing up. Get to the
off season program. Where's Aaron? Where's Aaron? Where's Aaron? Then
that starts again when you start OTA's. It starts again
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when you get to mini camp. And so do you
want to sign up for that where it's just hovering
over your team or do.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
You say okay, like you go ahead.
Speaker 14 (35:27):
You take care of your personal stuff, and we'll push
the deal over the goal line when you're ready. I
think that's sort of the attack that the Steelers have taken.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Is there a risk involved?
Speaker 14 (35:37):
Yeah, he can change his mind, you know what I
mean or there could be an injury somewhere or you know,
who knows. But I don't think like the contract's going
to be an issue. I don't think the relationship. I
don't know if there's any issue there. Like I think all
that stuff's taken care of, you know, And now it's
just when when Aaron's ready to sign, and you know,
I think he'll be a Steeler.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
We'll see what happens.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Play nice there at the owner's meeting.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
I'll try, I'll try my best.
Speaker 14 (36:01):
Sometimes I'm not good at that, but I'll try and
try and do it for you, Dan, how about that?
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Have you been yelling at an owner recently?
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Recently? Normally?
Speaker 14 (36:13):
Normally, when an owner is pissed at me, it comes
to some sort of conduit.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
It happened in the fall. It happened in the fall.
Speaker 14 (36:20):
Somebody wasn't wasn't very happy with there were It was
actually like a couple people came at me for my
portrayal of an owner, but it wound up. I'll just
say it wound up all being true. And you know
what I find in these situations, Dan, is that they
get upset at you in the moment and then give
it a few months and fill at me.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
You were right.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
So it was the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Huh, it wasn't the Patriots. You might have the conference
right though.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
There you go, Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Could be the Jets. Never know the Jets. He's a
breer Monday Morning quarterback. Thank you, Albert?
Speaker 4 (36:56):
All right, thanks Dan.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
We'll take a break here.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
We'll get to your phone call coming up and top
of the hour, somebody is predicting Pacers in six.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
He'll join us.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (37:21):
Hey Tani and Mookie Bets hit back to back home
runs in the sixth inning last night, first time they've
had back to back home runs since Game two of
the twenty twenty four World Series.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
Stand of a day, Start of a day, Start of
a day, start of a day.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
This is the start of the day.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
I watched the Brett Favre documentary. It's on Netflix, and
it's an hour long and doesn't paint a doesn't paint
a nice picture at all. And I know, I don't
know if there's anything new in it. Jen Sturger, who
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was unfairly brought into all of this by Farb sending,
you know, lewd pictures to her, and she's she's featured
front and center. You don't come away feeling better about
Brett Favre. You might come away from it feeling like, Wow,
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they really went after him, because I didn't think they
went after urban Meyer hard enough with all the things
that went on during his coaching tenures.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
But with Farv, they go at him. They go at
him pretty good.
Speaker 8 (38:41):
Yeah, Pauline, you know, we were just in Green Bay,
and there's a I wonder if it's weird for Packers
fans who have two all time great quarterbacks in their
history that both have different levels of baggage and left
under different circumstances. But are those guys still beloved in
that town?
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Completely beloved Farv Is?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
It felt like it didn't feel like and I once again,
this is a small sample size, but you kind of
feel like when you get a small sample size, you're
getting a large sample size. In Green Bay, whenever we
brought up Farv, somebody seemed to have a story about him,
or they saw him, or he was around.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
And then you mentioned Rogers and you would getting it
just wasn't the same.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
And I think Farv just the way he played that
Green Bay embraced that. And it's not to say Rogers
didn't play at a high level, it was Farv played differently.
Aaron Rodgers played pretty FARV played pretty reckless, and that's
the way he lived his life. He's lived his life
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pretty reckless. But then you know, they decided to replace Rogers,
so the same with Farv. And then but Farv wanted
to get back at Green Bay by going to Minnesota
so he would get to play against Green Bay. Now
there was the possibility that Rogers was going to try
to go to Minnesota to be able to get back
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at Green Bay. But it feels like Farv is beloved.
Speaker 8 (40:15):
Yes, Pauline, I just went back and looked at Aaron Rodgers'
career at Green Bay. Four hundred and seventy five touchdown
passes and only one hundred and five picks. That is
so much better regular season than any other quarterback in
NFL history. Drastically better.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, regular season, Yeah, I mean, Rodgers is a better quarterback,
but Farv was easier to root for, I think, And
once again, this is just with the people who came
out to the bar when we were doing our show there,
and just how they reacted when you would say Brett
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 6 (40:47):
Yeah, Yeah, it was interesting how Brett farre seemed to
fit the town so well, just based on all of
the people that we were just talking to at the draft,
you know, like you're saying, you met a million people
who had a story about him. He just seemed to
fit and capture the town.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Yeah, Marvin.
Speaker 9 (41:05):
Do you think it's because Aaron Rodgers isn't officially retired
yet and he's still playing that people kind of have
that eye roll towards him.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
I don't know. I don't know. Aaron's not easy to embrace.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Far of it feels like now I don't know how
Green Bay fans are going to react to this documentary,
but not a lot of nice things are said. But
comes out today on Netflix Final Hour on this Tuesday,
Coming Out. Got a text last night that said Pacers
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in six. The person who sent me the text will
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