July 4, 2025 • 41 mins
DeMaurice Smith is in book-selling mode, throwing players and the NFLPA under the bus. Travis Kelce is going to be in huge demand in his post playing career. Plus, the Luis Ortiz gambling scandal is comical.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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We are going to have you covered all the way
up until noon Eastern time nine am Pacific here on
this fourth of July. So I hope everybody is safe
out there. People aren't even waiting till fourth of July
these days to light off fireworks. I mean they were
all over the place in our neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I don't know. Oh yeah, I was sleep brouh.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I'm assuming they were fireworks, but our neighbors maybe not.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Maybe it was a house maybe.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Just like every year. Really, are people not going to
get it? You're not a pyro expert, okay. And when
you light a fuse and it starts to creep up
towards the firework that's about to explode, it's a roll
the dice and you just got to hope that it
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doesn't tilt over or wind doesn't knock it over and
then it's pointed right at you. But it just feels
like a less an ideal proposition to h to want
to partake in.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
So I'm a chest thumper on things, but I have
never ever touched the firework, ever lit one and set
one off, never done it, not my.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Entire life, not proud of it. But yeah I have.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I've never smoked a cigarette and i've never and I
have I have never set off a firework.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
No cigarette for me. But they used to do these
like you light them and they would spin around on
the ground, like these little firework spinners. Remember we had
a dog that used to go and try and eat them.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yes, while they were on.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I used a little you know, the little dips that
that you they were wrapped in the little white paper
and you throwing me. Oh yeah, yes, and I've done that.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
It's about it.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Those are fun to throw at people, right, But yeah,
like the dog would see a fireworks spitting on the
ground and go try and eat it, and then everyone's like, god,
dogs are so smart. Yeah, that's smart. Dogs of moron,
No wonder he didn't make it past eight.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Technically, the dog is trying to save you, as you know,
the people he loves, so he's trying to get it
and get it out of the way. It's you that
the dog is sitting there like these dumb mother efforts.
I gotta go get this joint before it blows up everybody,
So let me be the one that takes it for
the team. To me, that's that's kind of the line
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of thinking.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I can't sure when I throw my dog a rib
bone it's not lit on fire and spinning around in
the circle. Dog's a moron. He done its not going
to eat it? Did he eat it? He tried to?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
No, you bite it, walk it off away from the people,
let it down, and then be done with it with
a burnt mouth.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Cute.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Shoot you because you were not a considerate dog owner
and your dog knew that he was doing his duty
or her duty, and you set her.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
You set it up. You set the dog up. That
dog's an idiot. So and I hope I help everybody.
Silly ass, I don't put that out. I'm gonna put
that out. Don't put that out, all right? So, uh,
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So this show, here we here we go. I don't
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want to go back you hear me, I'm never going back.
Your guy, LaVar Demorris Smith, the former NFL PA executive director.
He's got a book coming out called Turf Wars. A
right bat So the first h that was LeVar, that
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was John Grutin. I'm only quoting what John Rutin sila
only quote. But dmores Smith has a new book out
called Turf Wars, and of course he does. Well, there's
a couple of interesting little tidbits from this book that
(04:45):
have already been released because this book is set to
come out in August.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I believe.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I mean you got to release the interesting tidbits to
sell the book, right okay?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
And who would you who would you say you sell
a book? It would be the first name you'd want
to first name if I'm the more Smith and I
want to sell a book, would be Roger Goodale. I'm
talking of a player, if he was a player in
the NFL that you knew would get some headlines.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
If it was a player, I'm either I'm going with
a quarterback and and I mean the most I could
say the easy decision would be Tom Brady because that
was during Tom Brady's time. You could throw Peyton Manning
out there. But the media lightning rod has been Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
That is correct. That is correct. Aaron Rodgers featured first
in one of these little uh from demor Smith's book quote,
the God of cheesehead Nation was isolated and dismissive. Smith writes,
regarding Roger's demeanor during a player meeting, he sat in
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the back robe the meeting room, issuing loud size before
standing for a dramatic exit. An incredible quarterback, to be sure,
but an even more impressive antagonist. Smith also says this
about Rogers quote. In August twenty twenty one, my phone
shirped with a text from Aaron Rodgers. Can you call
me at red? Could I not run into traffic instead?
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That from Demorris Smith talking about Aaron Rodgers. And I
see that, So he doesn't have any love for Aaron Rodgers. Well,
I see that, and I go, so this is the
NFLPA executive director and one of your star players. And
then you've got JC Tretter, who reportedly threw Russell Wilson
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under the bus in discussing Russell Wilson's contract negotiations, as
that came out as part of the collusion evidence and
testimony that was discovered a couple weeks ago. And they
wonder why they lose every negotiation to the owners because
the NFLPA can't even get it together amongst themselves. You
got the executive director getting a call from one of
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the stars of the league saying, can I walk into
traffic instead?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
That's crazy?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
And as you're leading the players, yes, yes, it's crazy man. J. C.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Tretder part of the NFLPA and calls Russell Wilson the
rhymes with woosey. Reportedly, when the discussions of the negotiations
about Russell Wilson's attempt to get a guaranteed contract done
from Denver, cam like, this is why you lose every
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time to the owners because they're not on the same page.
Nobody's on the same page.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
It's a lot of moving parts when you have you know,
associations and unions and stuff like that. I mean, no
one is going to get what they want. I find
it more interesting that he chose to singularly pinpoint one
person in particular and chose to use that as a
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as a leaked line or a promoted line to go
read his book. That doesn't make me want to read
his book anymore. That doesn't make Samorris Smith a more
interesting figure to want to learn or read about. I
don't I mean again, you're you're you're saying what the
conclusion already is. So you're basically putting a book out
there that talks about how you failed the players.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Is that what it's about? Maybe that should be the title.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
If you put out a title, I failed the players
when I led the NFLPA. If you want to put
that narrative out there, people will probably read it because
they're gonna want to know why.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I can remember Mark Schlare. This was back in I
think it was twenty seventeen. Demorris Smith was sort of
like making the rounds, telling everybody that there was going
to be some changes, things are going to be different
in the new CBA and blah blah blah blah blah,
and I remember Mark Schlare just basically saying something along
the lines of, yeah, okay, what are you going to
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get for the players, less padded practices, like what do
you what are you going to get for the players?
Because they've been hearing this song and dance for years.
And the reason why Rogers was pissed is because he
was one of the guys that was standing up and
pounding the table saying, dude, this deal doesn't work for us.
We're getting the shaft in this deal. And you've got
the guy who's supposed to be the executive director of
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the NFLPA, who was making the rounds years in advance,
telling everybody how they were going to do the right
thing for the players, and a guy's calling you about
things and wanting to have conversations, and you're eye rolling him,
like what like this are you supposed to be on
the same side? And that that was part he and
then he talked about the collusion as well too. This
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from Demor Smith's book turf Wars, which which Savar would
like to have edited, I Failed the Players. There you go,
turf Wars, the story about the story of how I
failed the player.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yes, that's so generic.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Turf Wars story about I failed you play talk about
driving an unnecessary narrative home.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
The hell.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
You do know you are a black man, right. You
can't just be throwing stuff loosely out there like that.
You got to be a little bit more strategic. Don't
you recommend people love misdiagnosing things that that are put
out there. No, he's not a gang banger that I
know of. He's not talking about Southeast. So he's doing
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a signing in Compton. Yeah one Tuesday. He ain't throwing
up the Rolling Sixties side. I don't have the Turf Wars.
If you're talking about problem, we got problem, but you
got problem. I'm from Chris Shaw, mafia brother, the Turf Wars.
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I see you in no battles, Budgie.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
All I've said is like, bro, make it make sense
if you want people to read your book, make it
make sense that I've had one. I had one exchange
with with Demores. I thought he was He was a
fine dude to talk to, you know, good hearted guy,
super smart, super intelligent dude. But I thought he was
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in over his head.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
The official title here Turf Wars The Fight for the
Soul of America's Game.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah that's a little dramatic, man, Yeah that's a tabbit dramatic.
It's a tabit dramatic.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Now on the collusion case, this quote came out from
Demorris Smith in his book. There were people inside our building, again,
the former nfl PA executive director, there were people inside
our building who thought it was a waste of time.
But internally our office had evidence of collusion, including hearing
from multiple sources that the league and teams were discussing
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their avoidance of fully guaranteed tracks. Sweet, It's nice to
know that people inside the NFLPA building thought it was
a waste of time. It's just am I crazy? This
just makes it look even worse now, just you know,
you know what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I'm gonna say this because I think that this is
a widely spread corporate type of it could be prevalent
amongst amongst businesses. You build a company, the company has employees.
Employee culture is employee culture. Company culture is company culture.
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When you get those employees and they make the amount
of money that they make. Generally speaking, very few people
make a tremendously amount of a lot of money and
what it is that they do, and some do make
really good livings. Regardless if you're one that doesn't make
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that much money, you're probably working and hoping that your consistency,
your availability, and your cooperation is going to lead to
you making more you elevate. If you're already elevated, you
don't want to lose that space. So more often than not,
like one thing that I experience, and I understand it
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as an older person that does business from the business
side of things, not from the talent side or the
employee side of it, is that in some cultures, and
this existed in the NFLPA, may still exist in the NFLPA.
When you hear somebody say it's a waste of time,
the reason why it's a waste of time is not
because you can't push to get the things done that
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you want to get done, get the things accomplished that
you want to get accomplished. Is that no one is
willing to stick their neck out to do it. Who's
going to be the one if it doesn't go through
or it doesn't work, it's something, there's fallout from it,
Who's going to be the one that pays pays the
price for it? So when they see it. When I
hear somebody say this is a waste of time to
be here, is because the people that need to step
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up and be the catalyst for it. Probably won't. The
people who delegate it that should have been the catalyst
of stepping up to do it, that delegated to somebody
else to do it. They like, why the hell are
I'm gonna do it? Why would I do it?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Why would you want me to put myself into the
situation and try to push this forward where that's not
in my pay grade? And if I do it and
something goes wrong, I'm gonna lose my job. More often
than not, you'll find people some people just don't even
address it at all, like, ah, I'll get to that
next week. Then you get to next week, something else
comes up. I get to that next week. The corporate
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culture that I saw at the NFLPA is just a
lot of like lip service.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Man.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
There are very few dudes like Nolan Harrison.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Good dude. If he says he's gonna do something, he's
gonna do that. My man.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Carl Carl, what's Carl's dang, I'm blinking on Carl's last name?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Carl Lewis, No, not Carl Lewis, Carl, Carl, Carl, Come on.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Carl Francis, Carl, Carl Francis a long time dude at
the NFLPA.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
If he says he's going to do it, he's going
to do it. If you don't talk to competent people
about the things that matter to you as a player,
chances are you are getting the salesperson's pitch, which is
manage expectation, under promise with the chances the possibility, although slight,
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the possibility that you will.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Deliver, you will over deliver. Manage expectations. And that's what
the NFLPA has always to me, that's what it's always represented.
Manage the expectation of the players. Make sure that you
can because here's the thing. Yes, while you have to.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Have it by law, they represent the player, they're going
to have a job, but it's not necessary for you
to be here to have the job. You are replaceable,
you are spendable, and so knowing that the job security
that you have is based upon trying to make everybody
around you happy with doing the least of what you
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can do, because that's not going to ruffle any feathers
or shake any boats anything like that. It is a
very very hard line to walk, especially if you are
a top of the people that are the decision makers
for that union. So to me, it's like all lip
service to me. To begin with, if I were to
read his book, I'd be like, bro, he's just sugarcoating everything.
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It's a sugarcoating of it. Because if you were to
really get into the deep down guts and the bowls
of what this stuff has really been and truly has
been exchanged conversation wise, you'd end up like Grooden.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
You would end up like Grouden.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Now, The New York Post did identify a couple of
other quotes from Demorris Smith's book on Roger Goodell. Toamorris
Smith called Roger Goodell a cold, dark void. I mean
that sounds like my ax, to be honest with you.
But again, that's that's Demora Smith's book. I'm not here
to write his book, and I'm not here to edit
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his book. But that is Dumorris Smith calling Rogers, of
course dark Voyd.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I got to make sure I call out Andre Collins too,
by the way, a long time NFLPA representative. Within there
are some really really really fine guys that are in there.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
There are some really really fine people that are smart,
that are able or willing and I've never seen any
one of them elevate it to being the one that
calls the shots.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
It's kind of weird.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Like all the great names that I can think of
that are part of the NFLPA have been a part
of the NFLPA, none of them have ever. Troy Vincent
was a part of NFLPA before he transitioned over to
the NFL. I've never seen one of our most competent
players that really really believed.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
In the you know, helping and assisting our players, progressing
them and pushing them forward. I've never really seen Gene
Upshaw Gene Upshaw, and he did a fairly good job.
I won't I don't have too much bad to say.
He made some mistakes, he did some things that left
the you know, people to be desired, But Gene Upshaw
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got an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I don't see that happen very often. You don't see like,
where did the Morris Smith even come from?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I don't even know what I mean if you look
it up.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I mean, I'm sure tell you the whole process, you know,
all that stuff, But where did he even come from? Man,
let's guess I'll say Salt Lake City.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
You know, he was a lawyer.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I mean he lived in d C.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
I mean I'm gonna assume he's a lawyer, a powerful
lawyer from some type of you know, law firm.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Boom boom boom.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
He understands labor laws really well and all that stuff.
My whole thing is, get get experts that understand labor laws.
Get get Why not follow the lead of other other sports?
The NBA their union be kicking ass why not find
those people, find those experts, figure out how to take
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the same type of approach and let players run the unions? Uh,
like qualified players run these unions.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Le Jah Demorris Smith. Uh is he a parts unknown
guy like the old professional wrestling origin?
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Well, a little bit on his background. Born and raised
in Washington, DC. He used to be Uh a litigation lawyer.
Joy a lawyer and litigation partner for the US Attorneys AB.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I'm not a great win loss record there, just to
just to g I would have thought he would have
been like a you know, a labor a labor lawyer.
But now Demorris Smith said this about Jerry Jones. This
is actually pretty funny. I said, Uh, if Jerry Jones
saw a dollar bill on the ground, I truly believe
he'd stop and pick it up, which is actually pretty funny.
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Why well, because I can relate to that.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I was about to say, if you saw a dollar
on the ground, you wouldn't pick it up. You know,
it's great if I see a quarter on the ground,
if I see a penny on the ground. My dad,
my mom taught me the value of a dollar. And
my one thing that I used to tell my mom
and dad like I'm gonna be a millionaire one day.
I'm gonna be a millionaire one day. My dad be like,
make a dollar. Make a dollar, hey, buddy, make a dollar.
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Great to have big dreams, make a dollar. I took
that to the bare minimum. If I see a penny
on the ground, you know how many pennies, Like there
has to be a penny and every million dollars you
make twenty million dollars. If Jerry Jones is worth a
billion dollars, you gotta start with a penny before you
get to that billion.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You know, my wife gave me a hard time because
we were getting We were at the car wash and
they had one of those fountains where you throw a
penny into the fountain, and I put a snorkel on
my son and fed him into the fountain to go
scot change and she's like, what are you doing? I
was like, what do you mean? These are for Easter eggs?
I'm coming out of pocket for that.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
I mean, I don't know about it. I think that's
a little extreme. I'm not going to co sign you
on that. It's a little extreme.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
It's an idea for people who are looking to make
a few.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Feel bad for man, me too. How did he do that? Great?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
He got like a dollar? Eteam, that's great?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
How long was he under thewater? What he was he splashing?
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Was he?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Like?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
How did he do?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
He's four and he doesn't know how to swim, So
that was at trying to, you know, how to hold
his water, hold his breath. I just kept I kept
reassuring him, like, hey, if you get at least a dollar,
the Locknest Monster is not coming. So hopefully, cold bloody bro,
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This is exactly what somebody needed. It's exactly what we
need in the world of sports. We'll tell you what
it is. A lot of people are panicking freaking out
about it, and no, no, no, no, no, we needed this.
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Trust me, we needed it. We'll explain in a little
over fifteen minutes from now. Travis kelce he's got at
least a year left. Who knows, maybe he'll call it
a career after this. But he was on with Busting
with the Boys, and he talked about some potential interest
in his post career, maybe involving some broadcasting.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
I want to see what calling a game feels like.
Oh I've always like impersonated guys they call the games
and stuff like that growing up, And I don't know,
I thought it would always be fun player names is
where I Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
So that was Travis Kelcey explaining his potential interest in
calling games, and in that clip, if he also pointed out,
you know, because they asked him like, yeah, you know
Tom Brady's salary and you know what he's making at Fox.
That's got to be part of the intrigue if you could.
First of all, he doesn't need to do anything post career,
(24:14):
or he's gonna be fine, but if he were to
throw his name in the hat, he would be one
of the most in demand players on the market to
be a broadcaster. There is just with his name, with
the popularity. Whatever you thought of him as a player,
the Taylor Swift Association has increased his popularity and his notoriety.
(24:36):
If you are a network, if you are somebody looking
to hire a broadcaster calling games, Travis Kelsey's one of
the first calls you would make.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
He's got a lot of personality. They do a great
job of.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Being able to connect to to the audience that's that's
watching them. They understand they're demographic and they're I mean,
always use the acronym.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
You know. I'm writing a book. By the way, it's
gonna be called Knowing the Deal. I thought it was
turf Wars.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Anyways, Knowing the Deal is something that the Kelsey brothers
execute so masterfully. Now you look at what is what
Jason's doing right now. I mean he's crushing it with
how he's doing things post career and outside of like
a little mishap of knocking a phone out of somebody's hand,
(25:29):
I mean he's really done everything perfectly and to the
point of him knocking the phone out of somebody's hand.
There's such relatable dudes that you feel like you can
say or do anything when you're around them. And sometimes
you might do a little too much and you might
have said too much and it might end up being
a disrespectful exchange, and you know, he's still a badass dude.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Right.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
But when you look at these guys, man, the Kelsey's
have the type of personality that drives entertainment. So that's
why I brought up the book preface the book, no
your demographic, that's your d in the acronym entertain your demographic,
give you your demographic entertainment and give them an experience, right,
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and have love for what you do. That's knowing the deal.
If you have those four elements involved with what you're doing,
and you understand those elements, and you bring those elements
to the table and you let that shine through who
you are. Along with the established influence and amount of
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numbers of people that are really really fans of you know,
Travis Kelcey, it would be a no brainer if he
wants to put the time and the energy and the
work into learning it and being able to talk about it.
It would be a no brainer, just for those simple
facts that he has a great following, he's got a
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great reputation, He's shown that he can do a podcast.
They run a successful podcast. He shows that he interviews well,
he speaks well, and he brings an element of entertainment,
and he creates an experiment experience for the people who
who follow him every single time he does he plays
in a game, or even when he cracks the microphone.
So if he wants to that's what he wants to do.
(27:17):
Is certainly something that he would probably if he was
putting the if he puts the time in the work
and the effort into to really learning how to be
great at he could probably be really great at it.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I mean he's like he didn't even need it if
you think about it. And one of the things to me,
which I mean Tom Brady doesn't need it.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Guys didn't didn't need it.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
But I mean in the sense that they've gotten a
head start on their broadcasting.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
I don't know when you started down the path of
broadcasting when you were a player, but the guys that
are doing it while still playing have such an advance
because you're in the world already, so you're you're off
and running in the second you decided to call it
a career.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Well, I'm fortunate that that Doc Walker, who is is
obviously a Redskins now known as the Commanders. He is
one of the greatest sports personalities for the Washington football team,
and I got to know him very quickly. You know,
I bought my first home through his wife as a realtor.
(28:20):
Just built an amazing relationship with him. You saw my
relationship in my rapport with Brian Mitchell. Those guys. Brian
was at the end of his career, but he was
still doing media. I got with Doc Walker. I started
doing appearances on the Coach Thompson and Doc Walker Show.
Imagine that Mike. My baptism into doing sports media and
(28:45):
being on a live show weekly was with Coach John
Thompson and with Doc Walker. So talk about two great personalities.
One a very very strong personality and Coach Thompson, God
rest his soul and and Doc has always been a
guy that just shoots it straight and has a great
way of communicating. And that was my intro into intro
(29:09):
to and entry into doing media. I thought it was
so cool because before then, and a lot of things
have changed now in media, But before then, Jonas I
was more or less the guy that looked at it
as your paint brush is really a limited paintbrush. Because
of the distribution of your ideas, your thoughts, your feelings,
(29:32):
whatever it may be, it was very limited the writers
and the reporters. That's why you see so many former
reporters that have done so well in media, whether it
be television and radio. They transition from just being writers
because they were the ones that controlled the storylines. They
controlled the narrative. So you're taking a guy that writes
articles and different things like that, and you're putting them
(29:55):
in front of a camera, you know, you're putting them
in front of a microphone to talk on radio. Well,
once athletes, I feel like once athletes started really understanding
the power of media and the power of being able
to communicate to their audience outside and just playing because
for what it's worth, you know, the ere I grew
up in, you know, players were obscure. It was like
(30:17):
crazy to see a player out or to even ever
have an interaction with a player like that just wasn't
what the times called for. I mean, players are so
accessible now, you know, there's so much interaction between players
that that kind of that cartilage between fans and players,
or the idea of trusting what the media says versus
(30:40):
trusting what the players, that's gone. You know, you have
a direct entry point, you have a direct connection with
the fan bases anymore, and so that's totally changed the
way you know, things are done. But as it applies
to traditional media of getting in front of a camera
calling a game, you know, or or even doing a
podcast where you're talking about the things that are going
(31:01):
on in sports, this is as good a time, it's
as great a time as any to be very prepared
and really understand what the opportunities are that exists there
where you're able to express yourself in a way that
you know, I expressed myself as a player that came
off a certain type of way on the football field.
But being able to express yourself as a person using
(31:24):
your words and giving them ideas and giving them thoughts
and different things like that, it's an entirely different world,
but it's a really really cool place to be. So
to your point, understanding what that represents and being able
to kind of see if you fit in it and
you integrate in it because some people don't. Some people
really don't, and some people are able to really understand
(31:44):
it and grasp it, and earlier you get the opportunity
to learn it, as you mentioned, doing it while you're
still an active player, you know, doing the NFL boot
camps and doing the different you know, PR schools and
stuff like that. It definitely goes a long way in
determining if you want to go into this type of industry.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
And especially seeing the Kelsey's, It's not like these are
the Mannings or two quarterbacks from a quarterback family. One's
a tight end, one's an offensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
It's it's different, two of the most under celebrated positions
in all of the football.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
And I look at it and I go like, there
was some talk that they've got this tight end you
that they put together, and I think it's him and
Greg Olsen and George Kittle that they put together and
they try, you know, they have an event and it's
all the tight ends get together. And they were talking
about how they're going to you know, maybe moving around
and start taking it on the road because it's been
so successful in Nashville, and it just furthers the point.
(32:39):
And we've talked about this before, like all of these shows,
these documentaries about quarterbacks, and you know, they've got the
latest one on Netflix. There's a gold mine in the
NFL of personalities and characters that people probably don't even
know about because they just quarterback is the celebrity. The
(33:01):
quarterbacks the star. Whether it would be defensive linemen, whether
it would be linebackers, special teamers, offensive linemen. It just
now that you've started to open up all the different
possibilities that you laid out, whether it's podcasting, whether it's
you know, all these different shows that are out there,
or you know, just standard broadcasting for television networks. I
(33:24):
think there's just there's a chance here that you could
present the stars of the game, not just for today,
but the stars of the game that are going to
carry the messaging for the league after their careers are over.
And to see a center and a tight end you
know who, you don't ever see that, to send their brothers, Yeah,
(33:47):
to see those guys. So it's like brothers superpower activate.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Everything's that the Campbell's commercial, they got Mom involved like that.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
I mean, they've made it a family affair and they're pretty.
They're in astute family man. I mean, they just they
get it. They just get it and it's natural. I
don't want to say it's natural, because that's that's taking
away from the brilliance of if they sit around and
if they actually converse about you know, these types of things.
I know every day I talk to my kids about
(34:18):
building your brands, like for the brand. Like you hear
Pat McAfee say for the brand, I say it every day,
Arrington is our brand. Whether your first name is different,
Arrington is the brand. Learn how to.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Speak, be respectful to others.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Always know that you get an opportunity to give somebody
an experience every time somebody meets you and acknowledges you.
You know, just just understanding just just raw, fundamental, basic
things about how to handle yourself can lead to so
many different opportunities in your life. And that is what's
more important than being able to spike a ball as
(34:55):
a you know, kill a ball as a volleyball player
for Marley, or doing flip and tucks and stuff for
Leila as a cheerleader, or me men and Qino playing
you know football, like those things. It's great to be
able to do things that garner the attention of what
you're able to do. A talent, but the biggest talent
(35:17):
that you will ever have that all of us have,
like everybody even listening to our show, we all have
the opportunity to be able to impact somebody's life with
the way we are as a person, and that, to
me is the most valuable talent that you could develop.
That's the most valuable skill that any of us can
(35:39):
develop is being able to understand how important it is
to be a person. You know, a person. Hey, how
you doing great? I don't know who these people are
that I see during the course of a day. I
went and I told you I was going to go
have me a couple drinks.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yesterday.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
I went, had a couple of drinks yesterday. The bartender
and I had a great conversation. Guy that came and
sat next to me. We had a great little interaction,
right and it's like, hey, how you doing, man?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Everything good? Oh you look like you're busy, got your
laptop out.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
You cool?
Speaker 3 (36:08):
I'm great man, just trying to get it done great,
you know what I mean? Hey, you want a bear?
Get you a beer? Talking to the to the you
know the bartender. You know, Hey, how's it going for you?
Oh wonderful?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
All right?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Da da great? Uh what a nice Long Gland iced t.
Go figure out what tore a Long Island iced t.
You know you do a great job with your Long
Island niceties. Thank you, no problem, man, appreciate you. You're
what's your name? Okay, get the name? Now I know
your name. So when I come back to that place,
the experience she gave me and the experience I reciprocated
back to her, those things become monetizable. There's a value
(36:41):
to it because now she knows me, we'll have a
great interaction. My service is going to be great.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I know her. We're going to have a great interaction.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
I know my service is going to be great, and
she's going to get compensated for it. That's life, man,
Make it transactional, and I think the Kelseys have done
an excellent job of doing that.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
It is uh the herd or excuse me not there,
My apologies. It's New Patrick show City. Yeah we did
that yesterday.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
So listen.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Well, when you're moving around so many times, stuff going on,
when you're the only ones that's working the station, you
pop from.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Show to show.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Apologies, clean that up, Lea, please fade it. It is
the Dan Patrick Show here on Fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington,
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Speaker 6 (37:30):
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Speaker 1 (37:45):
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(38:06):
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(38:27):
little bit yesterday when we were filling in on the
Herd about Louis Orties, the pictures for the Guardians, who
you know the Apparently some funny business going on with
old Louis Orties. He's under investigation by Major League Baseball
after a betting integrity firm flagged some unusual gambling activity
(38:49):
during one of his appearances. I mean, listen, you know,
I mean, what would you think those were? Well, I'll
tell you. According to sources who reviewed it, it referenced
actions on Ortiz's first pitches and select innings to be
a ball or a hit batsman in two games June
fifteenth against the Mariners and June twenty seventh against the
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Cardinals in both the bottom of the second inning against
the Mariners and the top of the third against the
Cardinals or tees through a first pitch slider that was
well outside the strike zone. The alert on Otez's first
pitch is flagg Bets in Ohio, New York, and New
Jersey betting on the result of first pitches offered is
offered by some sportsbooks, with such wagers commonly referenced to
(39:34):
as micro bets. So basically, this is now to the
point to where pitches, not games, not innings, not home runs,
not RBI's individual pitches, people are betting on what the
result of a pitch is going to be. And there
(39:56):
was so much activity on each on each pitch that
it flagged this betting integrity firm to be like, somebody
needs to look at that guy. This could be a
big time overreaction. They're just better safe than sorry. Or
we're at the point now to where you got people
(40:17):
getting in the ear professional athletes, especially in baseball, going hey,
here's a few bucks throw a slider and missed by
a wide margin on that first pitch. That's it's great,
It's just tremendous. I think this stuff is hilarious because.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
I just think there's too much of it now. There's
too many of the like, there's too many of these
stories that continue to surface. And I know you're into
the whole gambling scene and how it impacts the game
and how it makes you feel every time you bet
and lose, but just to me, at some point, why
can't it become a non story based upon this one
(40:56):
thought process of athletes actually noting it. I mean, go figure, right, Like,
that's just it's just way too simple, way too easy
a solution for it to be. You know what, I
know the consequences of getting caught doing this, so I'm
not going to do it. Just imagine if we lived
in a world where that existed.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
But we thought they had taken care of the story problem,
peds were out of sports, guys pissed hot.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Still still today.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Still can't help themselves to get all the testing, and
there's probably something that are doing it that aren't even
testing positive.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
If you get caught gambling, God, God bless Lord's will
have been done, Bro,
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio. It's a Dan Patrick Show here Fox Sports Radio.
Happy fourth of July. It's LaVar Arrington Jonas Knox in
for Dan and the guys. You can hang out with
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We are going to have you covered all the way
up until noon Eastern time nine am Pacific here on
this fourth of July. So I hope everybody is safe
out there. People aren't even waiting till fourth of July
these days to light off fireworks. I mean they were
all over the place in our neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I don't know. Oh yeah, I was sleep brouh.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I'm assuming they were fireworks, but our neighbors maybe not.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Maybe it was a house maybe.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Just like every year. Really, are people not going to
get it? You're not a pyro expert, okay. And when
you light a fuse and it starts to creep up
towards the firework that's about to explode, it's a roll
the dice and you just got to hope that it
(01:10):
doesn't tilt over or wind doesn't knock it over and
then it's pointed right at you. But it just feels
like a less an ideal proposition to h to want
to partake in.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
So I'm a chest thumper on things, but I have
never ever touched the firework, ever lit one and set
one off, never done it, not my.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Entire life, not proud of it. But yeah I have.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I've never smoked a cigarette and i've never and I
have I have never set off a firework.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
No cigarette for me. But they used to do these
like you light them and they would spin around on
the ground, like these little firework spinners. Remember we had
a dog that used to go and try and eat them.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yes, while they were on.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I used a little you know, the little dips that
that you they were wrapped in the little white paper
and you throwing me. Oh yeah, yes, and I've done that.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
It's about it.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Those are fun to throw at people, right, But yeah,
like the dog would see a fireworks spitting on the
ground and go try and eat it, and then everyone's like, god,
dogs are so smart. Yeah, that's smart. Dogs of moron,
No wonder he didn't make it past eight.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Technically, the dog is trying to save you, as you know,
the people he loves, so he's trying to get it
and get it out of the way. It's you that
the dog is sitting there like these dumb mother efforts.
I gotta go get this joint before it blows up everybody,
So let me be the one that takes it for
the team. To me, that's that's kind of the line
(02:46):
of thinking.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I can't sure when I throw my dog a rib
bone it's not lit on fire and spinning around in
the circle. Dog's a moron. He done its not going
to eat it? Did he eat it? He tried to?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
No, you bite it, walk it off away from the people,
let it down, and then be done with it with
a burnt mouth.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Cute.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Shoot you because you were not a considerate dog owner
and your dog knew that he was doing his duty
or her duty, and you set her.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
You set it up. You set the dog up. That
dog's an idiot. So and I hope I help everybody.
Silly ass, I don't put that out. I'm gonna put
that out. Don't put that out, all right? So, uh,
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So this show, here we here we go. I don't
(03:58):
want to go back you hear me, I'm never going back.
Your guy, LaVar Demorris Smith, the former NFL PA executive director.
He's got a book coming out called Turf Wars. A
right bat So the first h that was LeVar, that
(04:23):
was John Grutin. I'm only quoting what John Rutin sila
only quote. But dmores Smith has a new book out
called Turf Wars, and of course he does. Well, there's
a couple of interesting little tidbits from this book that
(04:45):
have already been released because this book is set to
come out in August.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I believe.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I mean you got to release the interesting tidbits to
sell the book, right okay?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
And who would you who would you say you sell
a book? It would be the first name you'd want
to first name if I'm the more Smith and I
want to sell a book, would be Roger Goodale. I'm
talking of a player, if he was a player in
the NFL that you knew would get some headlines.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
If it was a player, I'm either I'm going with
a quarterback and and I mean the most I could
say the easy decision would be Tom Brady because that
was during Tom Brady's time. You could throw Peyton Manning
out there. But the media lightning rod has been Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
That is correct. That is correct. Aaron Rodgers featured first
in one of these little uh from demor Smith's book quote,
the God of cheesehead Nation was isolated and dismissive. Smith writes,
regarding Roger's demeanor during a player meeting, he sat in
(05:52):
the back robe the meeting room, issuing loud size before
standing for a dramatic exit. An incredible quarterback, to be sure,
but an even more impressive antagonist. Smith also says this
about Rogers quote. In August twenty twenty one, my phone
shirped with a text from Aaron Rodgers. Can you call
me at red? Could I not run into traffic instead?
(06:15):
That from Demorris Smith talking about Aaron Rodgers. And I
see that, So he doesn't have any love for Aaron Rodgers. Well,
I see that, and I go, so this is the
NFLPA executive director and one of your star players. And
then you've got JC Tretter, who reportedly threw Russell Wilson
(06:38):
under the bus in discussing Russell Wilson's contract negotiations, as
that came out as part of the collusion evidence and
testimony that was discovered a couple weeks ago. And they
wonder why they lose every negotiation to the owners because
the NFLPA can't even get it together amongst themselves. You
got the executive director getting a call from one of
(07:01):
the stars of the league saying, can I walk into
traffic instead?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
That's crazy?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
And as you're leading the players, yes, yes, it's crazy man. J. C.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Tretder part of the NFLPA and calls Russell Wilson the
rhymes with woosey. Reportedly, when the discussions of the negotiations
about Russell Wilson's attempt to get a guaranteed contract done
from Denver, cam like, this is why you lose every
(07:31):
time to the owners because they're not on the same page.
Nobody's on the same page.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
It's a lot of moving parts when you have you know,
associations and unions and stuff like that. I mean, no
one is going to get what they want. I find
it more interesting that he chose to singularly pinpoint one
person in particular and chose to use that as a
(08:01):
as a leaked line or a promoted line to go
read his book. That doesn't make me want to read
his book anymore. That doesn't make Samorris Smith a more
interesting figure to want to learn or read about. I
don't I mean again, you're you're you're saying what the
conclusion already is. So you're basically putting a book out
there that talks about how you failed the players.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Is that what it's about? Maybe that should be the title.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
If you put out a title, I failed the players
when I led the NFLPA. If you want to put
that narrative out there, people will probably read it because
they're gonna want to know why.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I can remember Mark Schlare. This was back in I
think it was twenty seventeen. Demorris Smith was sort of
like making the rounds, telling everybody that there was going
to be some changes, things are going to be different
in the new CBA and blah blah blah blah blah,
and I remember Mark Schlare just basically saying something along
the lines of, yeah, okay, what are you going to
(09:00):
get for the players, less padded practices, like what do
you what are you going to get for the players?
Because they've been hearing this song and dance for years.
And the reason why Rogers was pissed is because he
was one of the guys that was standing up and
pounding the table saying, dude, this deal doesn't work for us.
We're getting the shaft in this deal. And you've got
the guy who's supposed to be the executive director of
(09:23):
the NFLPA, who was making the rounds years in advance,
telling everybody how they were going to do the right
thing for the players, and a guy's calling you about
things and wanting to have conversations, and you're eye rolling him,
like what like this are you supposed to be on
the same side? And that that was part he and
then he talked about the collusion as well too. This
(09:45):
from Demor Smith's book turf Wars, which which Savar would
like to have edited, I Failed the Players. There you go,
turf Wars, the story about the story of how I
failed the player.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yes, that's so generic.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Turf Wars story about I failed you play talk about
driving an unnecessary narrative home.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
The hell.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
You do know you are a black man, right. You
can't just be throwing stuff loosely out there like that.
You got to be a little bit more strategic. Don't
you recommend people love misdiagnosing things that that are put
out there. No, he's not a gang banger that I
know of. He's not talking about Southeast. So he's doing
(10:32):
a signing in Compton. Yeah one Tuesday. He ain't throwing
up the Rolling Sixties side. I don't have the Turf Wars.
If you're talking about problem, we got problem, but you
got problem. I'm from Chris Shaw, mafia brother, the Turf Wars.
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I see you in no battles, Budgie.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
All I've said is like, bro, make it make sense
if you want people to read your book, make it
make sense that I've had one. I had one exchange
with with Demores. I thought he was He was a
fine dude to talk to, you know, good hearted guy,
super smart, super intelligent dude. But I thought he was
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in over his head.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
The official title here Turf Wars The Fight for the
Soul of America's Game.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah that's a little dramatic, man, Yeah that's a tabbit dramatic.
It's a tabit dramatic.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Now on the collusion case, this quote came out from
Demorris Smith in his book. There were people inside our building, again,
the former nfl PA executive director, there were people inside
our building who thought it was a waste of time.
But internally our office had evidence of collusion, including hearing
from multiple sources that the league and teams were discussing
(11:57):
their avoidance of fully guaranteed tracks. Sweet, It's nice to
know that people inside the NFLPA building thought it was
a waste of time. It's just am I crazy? This
just makes it look even worse now, just you know,
you know what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I'm gonna say this because I think that this is
a widely spread corporate type of it could be prevalent
amongst amongst businesses. You build a company, the company has employees.
Employee culture is employee culture. Company culture is company culture.
(12:37):
When you get those employees and they make the amount
of money that they make. Generally speaking, very few people
make a tremendously amount of a lot of money and
what it is that they do, and some do make
really good livings. Regardless if you're one that doesn't make
(12:58):
that much money, you're probably working and hoping that your consistency,
your availability, and your cooperation is going to lead to
you making more you elevate. If you're already elevated, you
don't want to lose that space. So more often than not,
like one thing that I experience, and I understand it
(13:20):
as an older person that does business from the business
side of things, not from the talent side or the
employee side of it, is that in some cultures, and
this existed in the NFLPA, may still exist in the NFLPA.
When you hear somebody say it's a waste of time,
the reason why it's a waste of time is not
because you can't push to get the things done that
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you want to get done, get the things accomplished that
you want to get accomplished. Is that no one is
willing to stick their neck out to do it. Who's
going to be the one if it doesn't go through
or it doesn't work, it's something, there's fallout from it,
Who's going to be the one that pays pays the
price for it? So when they see it. When I
hear somebody say this is a waste of time to
be here, is because the people that need to step
(14:02):
up and be the catalyst for it. Probably won't. The
people who delegate it that should have been the catalyst
of stepping up to do it, that delegated to somebody
else to do it. They like, why the hell are
I'm gonna do it? Why would I do it?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Why would you want me to put myself into the
situation and try to push this forward where that's not
in my pay grade? And if I do it and
something goes wrong, I'm gonna lose my job. More often
than not, you'll find people some people just don't even
address it at all, like, ah, I'll get to that
next week. Then you get to next week, something else
comes up. I get to that next week. The corporate
(14:37):
culture that I saw at the NFLPA is just a
lot of like lip service.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Man.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
There are very few dudes like Nolan Harrison.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Good dude. If he says he's gonna do something, he's
gonna do that. My man.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Carl Carl, what's Carl's dang, I'm blinking on Carl's last name?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Carl Lewis, No, not Carl Lewis, Carl, Carl, Carl, Come on.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Carl Francis, Carl, Carl Francis a long time dude at
the NFLPA.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
If he says he's going to do it, he's going
to do it. If you don't talk to competent people
about the things that matter to you as a player,
chances are you are getting the salesperson's pitch, which is
manage expectation, under promise with the chances the possibility, although slight,
(15:31):
the possibility that you will.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Deliver, you will over deliver. Manage expectations. And that's what
the NFLPA has always to me, that's what it's always represented.
Manage the expectation of the players. Make sure that you
can because here's the thing. Yes, while you have to.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Have it by law, they represent the player, they're going
to have a job, but it's not necessary for you
to be here to have the job. You are replaceable,
you are spendable, and so knowing that the job security
that you have is based upon trying to make everybody
around you happy with doing the least of what you
(16:11):
can do, because that's not going to ruffle any feathers
or shake any boats anything like that. It is a
very very hard line to walk, especially if you are
a top of the people that are the decision makers
for that union. So to me, it's like all lip
service to me. To begin with, if I were to
read his book, I'd be like, bro, he's just sugarcoating everything.
(16:35):
It's a sugarcoating of it. Because if you were to
really get into the deep down guts and the bowls
of what this stuff has really been and truly has
been exchanged conversation wise, you'd end up like Grooden.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
You would end up like Grouden.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Now, The New York Post did identify a couple of
other quotes from Demorris Smith's book on Roger Goodell. Toamorris
Smith called Roger Goodell a cold, dark void. I mean
that sounds like my ax, to be honest with you.
But again, that's that's Demora Smith's book. I'm not here
to write his book, and I'm not here to edit
(17:12):
his book. But that is Dumorris Smith calling Rogers, of
course dark Voyd.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I got to make sure I call out Andre Collins too,
by the way, a long time NFLPA representative. Within there
are some really really really fine guys that are in there.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
There are some really really fine people that are smart,
that are able or willing and I've never seen any
one of them elevate it to being the one that
calls the shots.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
It's kind of weird.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Like all the great names that I can think of
that are part of the NFLPA have been a part
of the NFLPA, none of them have ever. Troy Vincent
was a part of NFLPA before he transitioned over to
the NFL. I've never seen one of our most competent
players that really really believed.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
In the you know, helping and assisting our players, progressing
them and pushing them forward. I've never really seen Gene
Upshaw Gene Upshaw, and he did a fairly good job.
I won't I don't have too much bad to say.
He made some mistakes, he did some things that left
the you know, people to be desired, But Gene Upshaw
(18:26):
got an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I don't see that happen very often. You don't see like,
where did the Morris Smith even come from?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I don't even know what I mean if you look
it up.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I mean, I'm sure tell you the whole process, you know,
all that stuff, But where did he even come from? Man,
let's guess I'll say Salt Lake City.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
You know, he was a lawyer.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I mean he lived in d C.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
I mean I'm gonna assume he's a lawyer, a powerful
lawyer from some type of you know, law firm.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Boom boom boom.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
He understands labor laws really well and all that stuff.
My whole thing is, get get experts that understand labor laws.
Get get Why not follow the lead of other other sports?
The NBA their union be kicking ass why not find
those people, find those experts, figure out how to take
(19:16):
the same type of approach and let players run the unions? Uh,
like qualified players run these unions.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Le Jah Demorris Smith. Uh is he a parts unknown
guy like the old professional wrestling origin?
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Well, a little bit on his background. Born and raised
in Washington, DC. He used to be Uh a litigation lawyer.
Joy a lawyer and litigation partner for the US Attorneys AB.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I'm not a great win loss record there, just to
just to g I would have thought he would have
been like a you know, a labor a labor lawyer.
But now Demorris Smith said this about Jerry Jones. This
is actually pretty funny. I said, Uh, if Jerry Jones
saw a dollar bill on the ground, I truly believe
he'd stop and pick it up, which is actually pretty funny.
(20:06):
Why well, because I can relate to that.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I was about to say, if you saw a dollar
on the ground, you wouldn't pick it up. You know,
it's great if I see a quarter on the ground,
if I see a penny on the ground. My dad,
my mom taught me the value of a dollar. And
my one thing that I used to tell my mom
and dad like I'm gonna be a millionaire one day.
I'm gonna be a millionaire one day. My dad be like,
make a dollar. Make a dollar, hey, buddy, make a dollar.
(20:30):
Great to have big dreams, make a dollar. I took
that to the bare minimum. If I see a penny
on the ground, you know how many pennies, Like there
has to be a penny and every million dollars you
make twenty million dollars. If Jerry Jones is worth a
billion dollars, you gotta start with a penny before you
get to that billion.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You know, my wife gave me a hard time because
we were getting We were at the car wash and
they had one of those fountains where you throw a
penny into the fountain, and I put a snorkel on
my son and fed him into the fountain to go
scot change and she's like, what are you doing? I
was like, what do you mean? These are for Easter eggs?
I'm coming out of pocket for that.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
I mean, I don't know about it. I think that's
a little extreme. I'm not going to co sign you
on that. It's a little extreme.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
It's an idea for people who are looking to make
a few.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Feel bad for man, me too. How did he do that? Great?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
He got like a dollar? Eteam, that's great?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
How long was he under thewater? What he was he splashing?
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Was he?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Like?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
How did he do?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
He's four and he doesn't know how to swim, So
that was at trying to, you know, how to hold
his water, hold his breath. I just kept I kept
reassuring him, like, hey, if you get at least a dollar,
the Locknest Monster is not coming. So hopefully, cold bloody bro,
everything works out all right. Well, listen, it is the
Dan Patrick Show here on Fox Sports Radio. LeVar Arrington,
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This is exactly what somebody needed. It's exactly what we
need in the world of sports. We'll tell you what
it is. A lot of people are panicking freaking out
about it, and no, no, no, no, no, we needed this.
(23:17):
Trust me, we needed it. We'll explain in a little
over fifteen minutes from now. Travis kelce he's got at
least a year left. Who knows, maybe he'll call it
a career after this. But he was on with Busting
with the Boys, and he talked about some potential interest
in his post career, maybe involving some broadcasting.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
I want to see what calling a game feels like.
Oh I've always like impersonated guys they call the games
and stuff like that growing up, And I don't know,
I thought it would always be fun player names is
where I Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
So that was Travis Kelcey explaining his potential interest in
calling games, and in that clip, if he also pointed out,
you know, because they asked him like, yeah, you know
Tom Brady's salary and you know what he's making at Fox.
That's got to be part of the intrigue if you could.
First of all, he doesn't need to do anything post career,
(24:14):
or he's gonna be fine, but if he were to
throw his name in the hat, he would be one
of the most in demand players on the market to
be a broadcaster. There is just with his name, with
the popularity. Whatever you thought of him as a player,
the Taylor Swift Association has increased his popularity and his notoriety.
(24:36):
If you are a network, if you are somebody looking
to hire a broadcaster calling games, Travis Kelsey's one of
the first calls you would make.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
He's got a lot of personality. They do a great
job of.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Being able to connect to to the audience that's that's
watching them. They understand they're demographic and they're I mean,
always use the acronym.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
You know. I'm writing a book. By the way, it's
gonna be called Knowing the Deal. I thought it was
turf Wars.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Anyways, Knowing the Deal is something that the Kelsey brothers
execute so masterfully. Now you look at what is what
Jason's doing right now. I mean he's crushing it with
how he's doing things post career and outside of like
a little mishap of knocking a phone out of somebody's hand,
(25:29):
I mean he's really done everything perfectly and to the
point of him knocking the phone out of somebody's hand.
There's such relatable dudes that you feel like you can
say or do anything when you're around them. And sometimes
you might do a little too much and you might
have said too much and it might end up being
a disrespectful exchange, and you know, he's still a badass dude.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Right.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
But when you look at these guys, man, the Kelsey's
have the type of personality that drives entertainment. So that's
why I brought up the book preface the book, no
your demographic, that's your d in the acronym entertain your demographic,
give you your demographic entertainment and give them an experience, right,
(26:13):
and have love for what you do. That's knowing the deal.
If you have those four elements involved with what you're doing,
and you understand those elements, and you bring those elements
to the table and you let that shine through who
you are. Along with the established influence and amount of
(26:33):
numbers of people that are really really fans of you know,
Travis Kelcey, it would be a no brainer if he
wants to put the time and the energy and the
work into learning it and being able to talk about it.
It would be a no brainer, just for those simple
facts that he has a great following, he's got a
(26:54):
great reputation, He's shown that he can do a podcast.
They run a successful podcast. He shows that he interviews well,
he speaks well, and he brings an element of entertainment,
and he creates an experiment experience for the people who
who follow him every single time he does he plays
in a game, or even when he cracks the microphone.
So if he wants to that's what he wants to do.
(27:17):
Is certainly something that he would probably if he was
putting the if he puts the time in the work
and the effort into to really learning how to be
great at he could probably be really great at it.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I mean he's like he didn't even need it if
you think about it. And one of the things to me,
which I mean Tom Brady doesn't need it.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Guys didn't didn't need it.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
But I mean in the sense that they've gotten a
head start on their broadcasting.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
I don't know when you started down the path of
broadcasting when you were a player, but the guys that
are doing it while still playing have such an advance
because you're in the world already, so you're you're off
and running in the second you decided to call it
a career.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Well, I'm fortunate that that Doc Walker, who is is
obviously a Redskins now known as the Commanders. He is
one of the greatest sports personalities for the Washington football team,
and I got to know him very quickly. You know,
I bought my first home through his wife as a realtor.
(28:20):
Just built an amazing relationship with him. You saw my
relationship in my rapport with Brian Mitchell. Those guys. Brian
was at the end of his career, but he was
still doing media. I got with Doc Walker. I started
doing appearances on the Coach Thompson and Doc Walker Show.
Imagine that Mike. My baptism into doing sports media and
(28:45):
being on a live show weekly was with Coach John
Thompson and with Doc Walker. So talk about two great personalities.
One a very very strong personality and Coach Thompson, God
rest his soul and and Doc has always been a
guy that just shoots it straight and has a great
way of communicating. And that was my intro into intro
(29:09):
to and entry into doing media. I thought it was
so cool because before then, and a lot of things
have changed now in media, But before then, Jonas I
was more or less the guy that looked at it
as your paint brush is really a limited paintbrush. Because
of the distribution of your ideas, your thoughts, your feelings,
(29:32):
whatever it may be, it was very limited the writers
and the reporters. That's why you see so many former
reporters that have done so well in media, whether it
be television and radio. They transition from just being writers
because they were the ones that controlled the storylines. They
controlled the narrative. So you're taking a guy that writes
articles and different things like that, and you're putting them
(29:55):
in front of a camera, you know, you're putting them
in front of a microphone to talk on radio. Well,
once athletes, I feel like once athletes started really understanding
the power of media and the power of being able
to communicate to their audience outside and just playing because
for what it's worth, you know, the ere I grew
up in, you know, players were obscure. It was like
(30:17):
crazy to see a player out or to even ever
have an interaction with a player like that just wasn't
what the times called for. I mean, players are so
accessible now, you know, there's so much interaction between players
that that kind of that cartilage between fans and players,
or the idea of trusting what the media says versus
(30:40):
trusting what the players, that's gone. You know, you have
a direct entry point, you have a direct connection with
the fan bases anymore, and so that's totally changed the
way you know, things are done. But as it applies
to traditional media of getting in front of a camera
calling a game, you know, or or even doing a
podcast where you're talking about the things that are going
(31:01):
on in sports, this is as good a time, it's
as great a time as any to be very prepared
and really understand what the opportunities are that exists there
where you're able to express yourself in a way that
you know, I expressed myself as a player that came
off a certain type of way on the football field.
But being able to express yourself as a person using
(31:24):
your words and giving them ideas and giving them thoughts
and different things like that, it's an entirely different world,
but it's a really really cool place to be. So
to your point, understanding what that represents and being able
to kind of see if you fit in it and
you integrate in it because some people don't. Some people
really don't, and some people are able to really understand
(31:44):
it and grasp it, and earlier you get the opportunity
to learn it, as you mentioned, doing it while you're
still an active player, you know, doing the NFL boot
camps and doing the different you know, PR schools and
stuff like that. It definitely goes a long way in
determining if you want to go into this type of industry.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
And especially seeing the Kelsey's, It's not like these are
the Mannings or two quarterbacks from a quarterback family. One's
a tight end, one's an offensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
It's it's different, two of the most under celebrated positions
in all of the football.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
And I look at it and I go like, there
was some talk that they've got this tight end you
that they put together, and I think it's him and
Greg Olsen and George Kittle that they put together and
they try, you know, they have an event and it's
all the tight ends get together. And they were talking
about how they're going to you know, maybe moving around
and start taking it on the road because it's been
so successful in Nashville, and it just furthers the point.
(32:39):
And we've talked about this before, like all of these shows,
these documentaries about quarterbacks, and you know, they've got the
latest one on Netflix. There's a gold mine in the
NFL of personalities and characters that people probably don't even
know about because they just quarterback is the celebrity. The
(33:01):
quarterbacks the star. Whether it would be defensive linemen, whether
it would be linebackers, special teamers, offensive linemen. It just
now that you've started to open up all the different
possibilities that you laid out, whether it's podcasting, whether it's
you know, all these different shows that are out there,
or you know, just standard broadcasting for television networks. I
(33:24):
think there's just there's a chance here that you could
present the stars of the game, not just for today,
but the stars of the game that are going to
carry the messaging for the league after their careers are over.
And to see a center and a tight end you
know who, you don't ever see that, to send their brothers, Yeah,
(33:47):
to see those guys. So it's like brothers superpower activate.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Everything's that the Campbell's commercial, they got Mom involved like that.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
I mean, they've made it a family affair and they're pretty.
They're in astute family man. I mean, they just they
get it. They just get it and it's natural. I
don't want to say it's natural, because that's that's taking
away from the brilliance of if they sit around and
if they actually converse about you know, these types of things.
I know every day I talk to my kids about
(34:18):
building your brands, like for the brand. Like you hear
Pat McAfee say for the brand, I say it every day,
Arrington is our brand. Whether your first name is different,
Arrington is the brand. Learn how to.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Speak, be respectful to others.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Always know that you get an opportunity to give somebody
an experience every time somebody meets you and acknowledges you.
You know, just just understanding just just raw, fundamental, basic
things about how to handle yourself can lead to so
many different opportunities in your life. And that is what's
more important than being able to spike a ball as
(34:55):
a you know, kill a ball as a volleyball player
for Marley, or doing flip and tucks and stuff for
Leila as a cheerleader, or me men and Qino playing
you know football, like those things. It's great to be
able to do things that garner the attention of what
you're able to do. A talent, but the biggest talent
(35:17):
that you will ever have that all of us have,
like everybody even listening to our show, we all have
the opportunity to be able to impact somebody's life with
the way we are as a person, and that, to
me is the most valuable talent that you could develop.
That's the most valuable skill that any of us can
(35:39):
develop is being able to understand how important it is
to be a person. You know, a person. Hey, how
you doing great? I don't know who these people are
that I see during the course of a day. I
went and I told you I was going to go
have me a couple drinks.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yesterday.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
I went, had a couple of drinks yesterday. The bartender
and I had a great conversation. Guy that came and
sat next to me. We had a great little interaction,
right and it's like, hey, how you doing, man?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Everything good? Oh you look like you're busy, got your
laptop out.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
You cool?
Speaker 3 (36:08):
I'm great man, just trying to get it done great,
you know what I mean? Hey, you want a bear?
Get you a beer? Talking to the to the you
know the bartender. You know, Hey, how's it going for you?
Oh wonderful?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
All right?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Da da great? Uh what a nice Long Gland iced t.
Go figure out what tore a Long Island iced t.
You know you do a great job with your Long
Island niceties. Thank you, no problem, man, appreciate you. You're
what's your name? Okay, get the name? Now I know
your name. So when I come back to that place,
the experience she gave me and the experience I reciprocated
back to her, those things become monetizable. There's a value
(36:41):
to it because now she knows me, we'll have a
great interaction. My service is going to be great.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I know her. We're going to have a great interaction.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
I know my service is going to be great, and
she's going to get compensated for it. That's life, man,
Make it transactional, and I think the Kelseys have done
an excellent job of doing that.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
It is uh the herd or excuse me not there,
My apologies. It's New Patrick show City. Yeah we did
that yesterday.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
So listen.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Well, when you're moving around so many times, stuff going on,
when you're the only ones that's working the station, you
pop from.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Show to show.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Apologies, clean that up, Lea, please fade it. It is
the Dan Patrick Show here on Fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington,
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It's the Dan Patrick Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
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from now. There's somebody in the NFL who really is
controlling everything, all right. They really are the root of
everything when you think about it, especially a major issue
(38:06):
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Fox Sports Radio videos on YouTube. So we talked a
(38:27):
little bit yesterday when we were filling in on the
Herd about Louis Orties, the pictures for the Guardians, who
you know the Apparently some funny business going on with
old Louis Orties. He's under investigation by Major League Baseball
after a betting integrity firm flagged some unusual gambling activity
(38:49):
during one of his appearances. I mean, listen, you know,
I mean, what would you think those were? Well, I'll
tell you. According to sources who reviewed it, it referenced
actions on Ortiz's first pitches and select innings to be
a ball or a hit batsman in two games June
fifteenth against the Mariners and June twenty seventh against the
(39:10):
Cardinals in both the bottom of the second inning against
the Mariners and the top of the third against the
Cardinals or tees through a first pitch slider that was
well outside the strike zone. The alert on Otez's first
pitch is flagg Bets in Ohio, New York, and New
Jersey betting on the result of first pitches offered is
offered by some sportsbooks, with such wagers commonly referenced to
(39:34):
as micro bets. So basically, this is now to the
point to where pitches, not games, not innings, not home runs,
not RBI's individual pitches, people are betting on what the
result of a pitch is going to be. And there
(39:56):
was so much activity on each on each pitch that
it flagged this betting integrity firm to be like, somebody
needs to look at that guy. This could be a
big time overreaction. They're just better safe than sorry. Or
we're at the point now to where you got people
(40:17):
getting in the ear professional athletes, especially in baseball, going hey,
here's a few bucks throw a slider and missed by
a wide margin on that first pitch. That's it's great,
It's just tremendous. I think this stuff is hilarious because.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
I just think there's too much of it now. There's
too many of the like, there's too many of these
stories that continue to surface. And I know you're into
the whole gambling scene and how it impacts the game
and how it makes you feel every time you bet
and lose, but just to me, at some point, why
can't it become a non story based upon this one
(40:56):
thought process of athletes actually noting it. I mean, go figure, right, Like,
that's just it's just way too simple, way too easy
a solution for it to be. You know what, I
know the consequences of getting caught doing this, so I'm
not going to do it. Just imagine if we lived
in a world where that existed.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
But we thought they had taken care of the story problem,
peds were out of sports, guys pissed hot.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Still still today.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Still can't help themselves to get all the testing, and
there's probably something that are doing it that aren't even
testing positive.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
If you get caught gambling, God, God bless Lord's will
have been done, Bro,
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