May 28, 2025 • 41 mins
Pittsburgh Steelers Hall of Fame QB Terry Bradshaw had some harsh criticism for his former team and their reported pursuit of Aaron Rodgers and Dan is convinced there’s already a verbal agreement in place for Rodgers to play in Pittsburgh. And former NBA great Stephen Jackson drops by to weigh in on Tyrese Haliburton and the NBA Playoffs.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Hour two.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
On this Wednesday, Dan and The Dan Edge Dan Patrick Show,
co host of All the Smoke, Stephen Jackson, former NBA player,
will join us. Coming up also Quinn Buckner Pacers broadcaster.
In an hour from now the Pacers they hold on,
beat the Knicks by nine. They're up three games to one.
Tyrese Haliburton had pretty much a perfect game thirty two points,
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fifteen assists, and twelve rebounds. I was wondering in playoff
history the most assist without a turnover, So his fifteen
assists were the most in a postseason triple double without
a turnover since Magic Johnson in nineteen ninety one. Magic
had twenty one to ten and seventeen assists. Now Chris
(00:49):
Paul also had fifteen assists in a triple double without
a turnover in two thousand and eight, twenty four, eleven,
and fifteen.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Now, Stall of a day, Stall of a day, Statuta day,
stant outa day.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
This is the style of the day.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Shato Today brought to you by Penini America, the official
trading cards of the program. Yeah when your name is
up there with Magic Johnson in the postseason. That's a
pretty good list to join.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
There.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Magic in nineteen ninety one twenty one, ten and seventeen assists,
but Haliburton thirty two, twelve and fifteen zero turnovers. So
most points in a playoff triple double without a turnover.
Since this was two thousand and two, Marvin, you might
(01:45):
get this. It's a it's a player that you brought
up his name before. He's in the Hall of very Good.
In two thousand and two he had thirty three points,
fourteen rebounds, ten assists and no turnovers. Sean Marion, no,
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Baron Davis.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Course, yes, of course it was all right eight seven
seven three DP. Show operator sitting by, that's Tyler. You
take your phone calls. Tonight, the Timberwolves are getting eight
and a half against the thunder as Okaysee tries to
close them out. Oiters up three to one on the
Stars Panthers Hurricanes Game five tonight. Poll question for hour
(02:38):
two is gonna be what seed no' connor. We got
a couple of options here. Paul is very optimistic on show.
Heyo tani uh.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
He wants to know how many MVPs he ends his
career with four, five, six, seven plus.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Hm okay, who has the most MVPs in baseball history?
Speaker 7 (03:02):
Barry Bonds has seven seven. Nobody else has more than three.
There's like seven guys in history that have three. But
if you could Barry got three before the Giants and
four with so they're it's a dubious seven.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
I guess you'd say.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
So.
Speaker 7 (03:17):
Here's the point risk I was thinking about Otani. How
does he not win the MVP over the next few years.
If you combine fifty plus home runs with a three
hundred average, that'll probably get it for you. And then
you add in maybe a dozen starts or helping his
team and a great team that's always in the playoff picture.
It's almost like betting against him winning the MVP would
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be a bad bet in the near future.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, I think he's got a build in advantage if
he does pitch. I mean, he's already going to put
up offensive numbers. He just hit his twentieth home run.
He's homeward in three consecutive games. We're not surprised anymore
with that. I think, coming back to pitch and if
he's going to be successful, how much do you use him?
(04:02):
But de Winsotani have three MVPs now.
Speaker 7 (04:06):
Yes, he has three in the past four seasons and
he finished runner up once. Okay does he Ever, he
probably won't ever get the treatment that Giannis would get
or even Michael Jordan because no one else does what
he does.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Well. Who would you compare him to with those other players,
those other like basketball players are putting up crazy stats
now and you know, everybody gets twenty points. It feels like,
you know, in baseball, not everybody is doing what Otani
does now. Guys hit a lot of home runs, but
he's still hitting for average. He's helped out by being
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in the National League because Aaron judge the season that
he's having in the American League. So there's only one MVP.
They don't want do one for the Eastern Conference in
the Western Conference, and that's what baseball does. But I
would be surprised if O'tani doesn't end up with at
least five MVPs.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Ye.
Speaker 7 (05:00):
Yeah, I was saying the same because if you look
at it, there's a couple of guys who pop up
every year.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
In the NL.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
But at the end of the day, when when you
get to the vote, you're gonna have to create a
reason to not vote for Otani. Yeah, it's like the
best story or some guy who comes out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
But he can pitch, and if he's able to pitch,
and I understand that he wants to pitch, and the Dodgers,
you know, love that novelty as well. I just wouldn't
want to run the risk of another arm surgery. Then
it takes the bat out of the lineup.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Yeah, but is there is there something too, like sort
of the other side of that argument where he would
have to be a great pitcher and a great hitter,
Like he has to be sort of great in both respects.
I'm not saying that he's not necessarily, but that's a
high bar to keep up every year.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I would say he just has to be a good
pitcher and a great hitter, because I don't know if
he's going to pitch enough to be a great pitcher.
I think he can be a guy who maybe you
may wins like twelve games, but I don't know how
much you want to use him. You know, he's a
five man rotation. Is he a six man rotation? I
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don't And plus pitchers now are pitching five innings, so
that's a little bit different with the wear and tear
on him. But he's had a couple of quote procedures
that would make me nervous.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
Yeah, pulling Otani's last three years as a starting pitcher,
and he only started about twenty five games a year.
He was nine and two, fifteen and nine, ten and five.
He was like a B plus. His stats were very
good as ere was very good, but he didn't have
enough starts to get to twenty wins, but it helped
him get the MVP.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
If he gets between ten and fifteen wins and he's
Otani at the plate, I don't know how anybody can
come close to him as far as the MVP. Terry Bradshaw,
Hall of Famer Steeler Great, had some things to say.
He's not happy with what the Steelers are doing. He
did not hold back. He was on a radio show
(07:01):
and lasted the Pittsburgh Steelers. Here is a portion of
that interview with Terry Bradshaw on Morning Mayhem podcast.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
What do you think about possibly Aaron Rodgers being the quarterback?
Speaker 5 (07:14):
As a joke?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
He should they That is just to me as a joke,
But what are you gonna bring him in for one year?
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Are you kidding me.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I mean, that's not the Steeler's way, right.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
No, man, that guy needs to stay in California.
Speaker 8 (07:26):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Show one bark and mist to the gods out there
one percent these guys on the show.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Mister Bradshaw know I'm not a fan of his.
Speaker 8 (07:37):
We we've been around each other personally, and he was
not a kind person.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Now he does not. I had to go over and
introduce myself to him.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
He's not I had to go, hey, hey, Aaron, I'm
Terry Bradshaw.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
I know he knows me, but I just felt like
I better tell him who I am and not. You know,
you walk in there and you get in his presence
and you feel like it's gonna start snowing.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Is he ripping Rogers or is he ripping the Steelers
or both? Sounds like he doesn't like Aaron Rodgers and
he doesn't like what the Steelers are doing. Now I
agree with what this you know with him. I don't
agree with what the Steelers are doing, but I do
think the Steelers have a verbal agreement with Aaron Rodgers.
(08:24):
That would be my best guess. I don't have any
information other than the Steelers are kind of quietly moving
on with life every single day. They don't seem to
be panicking. I don't think you can be comfortable going
into the season with Mason Rudolph. Therefore, I think they
have a verbal agreement with Aaron Rodgers. Rogers going to
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do what he wants to do. Then he's going to
show up and he's going to be your quarterback. That's
the feeling I think early on in the talks that
they had, the interview, when he came in, spent six
hours there. I thought, Okay, these are the Steelers. You
want to play for the Steelers. It's not the Steelers
are begging you to play for them. And it felt
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that way in the beginning. And I'm sure the Steelers
came up with some kind of framework here to say,
this is what we're going to offer you. We're going
to go out and make this deal. We're going to
get rid of this wide receiver.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
We're going to.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Clue you in on everything that's going on here, and
then we need you to show up. And they probably
have a certain date already circled where Aaron Rodgers will
show up to play for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Here's another
thing that's going on, and it's quietly going on, but
it's something that I'm trying to get more information on it.
And it has to do with Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins
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is now the backup quarterback in Atlanta. Michael Pennix Junior,
the third is your starter. Well, Kirk Cousins ultimate team player.
He didn't show up for OTAs Now. It's surprising because
it feels like Kirk has maybe embraced the fact that
he's going to be a mentor to Michael Pennix Junior.
(10:02):
Doesn't mean he doesn't want to play, doesn't want to
be a starter. And then there was talk, well, if
Steelers don't get Aaron Rodgers, they'll get Kirk Cousins. I
don't see that situation, at least not yet, but this
is what I was told. This is a good situation
for both sides because it will be less awkward both
(10:22):
sides waiting for a trade to materialize. Last week, the
offensive coordinator with the Falcons said that Cousins ha's only
been there for a handful of days this offseason. This
situation might be like Carson Palmer in twenty eleven, sit
home wait for an injury, but with full pay. That
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is what I'm told is happening with Kirk Cousins, that
he'll want to play and probably have to bide his
time and wait for an opening there. And there was
talk that Rogers was going to try to do this,
that Rogers would wait for an injury, and you know
he was also I guess holding out hope from Minnesota.
But there's you know, there's some things going on. But
(11:05):
I do think Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers have a
verbal agreement for him to go play, and I think
that's why there's no panic in Pittsburgh, at least in
the front office.
Speaker 7 (11:17):
Yes, Paul, and you'd be fine with this if you're
the Falcons, because there's no upside. There's remember that Sam
Bradford trade a million years ago when the Eagles traded
Bradford to Minnesota and Teddy Bridgewater ripped up his knee
and they got a whole bunch fromhim. That's the ideal situation,
not that you want someone to get hurt, but if
you're the Falcons, just waited out.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, and I don't know what you're going to get,
And there's been talk of how much are you going
to pick up of his salary. Well, those things have
a way of working out. And you know, is some
team going to pick up half of his salary? You know,
what are the Falcons on the hook for? What do
the Falcons want in return for Kirk Cousins? Because if
I'm Pittsburgh, Kirk Cousins makes more sense than Aaron Rodgers
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because at least I can get. I know that I
can get a couple of years out of Kirk Cousins.
I don't know what I get. You know, the Steelers
could be going through this next year with Aaron Rodgers.
Are you gonna play? I don't know. You sure, I
don't know. I might play. I don't know. Let me go.
I gotta go on a retreat and then I'll come
back and I'll let you know. Thank you. That's not
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how you run an organization if you want continuity there
do I think the ceiling for Aaron Rodgers is different
than Kirk Cousins. Of course, but I also have to
look at my locker room. Having that guy who's going
to be there help the younger players. That's what you want,
certainly from a guy of his status. But I'm guessing
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that he's still going to want to play at least
one more year in Pittsburgh. All right, so we have
our poll question for hour two Seaton.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Yeah, yeah, we got a couple of pole questions going
to It's it's crazy to me that Kirk Cousins is
looking at moving teams again.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Well, would you just stay in Atlanta? He would be
back home. Yeah, I don't know. I mean I would
want to play if I was him. However, he just
signed another Monster deal and he barely even threw that
where he got what one hundred million guaranteed or something,
and now he's already on his way out. He already
lost that job. Well I wouldn't have brought him in
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to begin with. And I said that coming off an injury,
and you're going to pay him all that money. I mean,
I credit him and his agent. They're brilliant business people.
We did reach out to Kirk Cousins and uh, we
were told that he doesn't want to doesn't want to
do the interview, or doesn't want to talk.
Speaker 9 (13:34):
Todd especially not available at this time, which is okay,
not advance. I think you know he loves the show
for it.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Well, he's not practicing, so what's he doing? It seems
like you would have a lot of time.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Can't buy a phone for all that?
Speaker 10 (13:46):
Man?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Do o ot A tricky time right now for Kirk
in the falcon?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Okay, I got needs too, Todd, he could help me
fill some time here.
Speaker 9 (13:57):
He's usually very jenous with his times. We love come
on when he feels like it's the right time. All right,
okay for our purposes, would be great to come on today.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Okay, but why wouldn't you want to come on? If
there's nothing you know, no news and he's staying in Atlanta,
then should be fine.
Speaker 9 (14:12):
Because you ask the tough questions that everybody wants to know.
What are you not at OTAs for? And I can
go out like honoring his career in qualcom. We want
to know what's going on there? Why are you blowing
off OTAs?
Speaker 7 (14:22):
Yes, Paul, we will be playing thirty minutes from now
the Kirk Cousins game.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Where will he be next year? We got to beat
the rush on.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
The good news?
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Tune in for that.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
All right? Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Steven Jackson will join us. He is a co host
of All Thus Smoke, former NBA player. We'll take a break.
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Ethan in Indianapolis joins us Hi Ethan, what's on your
mind today? Ethan?
Speaker 10 (16:09):
Hey, Dan, I'm going big fan.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Thanks for having me on. Sure.
Speaker 10 (16:15):
Hey, just let you know I'm the brand new father
of Tatum. His name is Catum. He is a lot
being twenty one inches and.
Speaker 9 (16:24):
A cotton down saw, six pounds fifteen ounces.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Well, congratulations, Ethan. Your phone connection is not very good,
but congratulations on becoming a new father. Jay in West Virginia,
Hi Jay, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Hi Dan? How are you doing today? Good? Sir? Good? Hey?
Speaker 10 (16:46):
I heard you talk earlier about Colorado and why the
attendance is still somewhat okay, because if THO they're bad.
I just went there last week and one thing that
I found really surprising was like the roof top they
have a they have a bar up a top of
the ballpark called the Rooftop, and there's a Smashburger up
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there too, And of all the places that was in
the ballpark, that place was packed. And the one thing
I came to find out, because I've done quite a
few ballparks, was the food was really good. The atmosphere
is really nice, and you know, it's like having a
social hour and a ball and a ball game was
in play. You know, I thought it was just really
(17:30):
cool how the atmosphere was.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
You gotta tell me get it.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, yeah, you're going and you know it's a social
scene there. Thanks for the phone call, Jay, Yes, Paul.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
Yeah, it's it's by far the easiest sport to enjoy
with nothing really going on. Your team could be twenty
games out or twenty games up.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
They created this atmosphere and a lot of these ballparks
that they wanted to be a social event that you
can go there and you're going to watch your game,
enjoy yourself and maybe you watch a little bit of baseball.
I'm looking at since nineteen eighty four, the most assist
in a playoff game without a turnover. So Haliburton had
a triple double. We've already talked about that company that
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he's in. Rajon Rondo had nineteen assists and no turnovers
in a playoff game that was nine against the Bulls.
Magic Johnson had seventeen back in nineteen ninety one. Robert
Reid of the of the Rockets, I was at this
game at nineteen eighty six NBA Finals against the Celtics.
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Chris Paul had sixteen back in twenty fourteen, and Jay
Kidd had sixteen for the Suns back in two thousand
and one. And that's without a turnover. Stat of the day,
stat of the day, that best stead of the day,
stat of the.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Day, here comes that what stat of the.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Day brought you by Panini America, the official trading cards
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Haliburton's fifteen assists are the most in a postseason triple
double without a turnover since Magic in nineteen ninety one.
Chris Paul said fifteen assists in his triple double without
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a turnover in two thousand and eight, taking care of
the ball, having the ball in your hands constantly, but
also he accounted for either scoring or assisting on over
half his team's points in that game, and that was
the game. I thought that the Knicks were going to win.
The Knicks have proven they can win on the road. Well,
now they really have to prove that they can win
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on the road. This is a must win situation for them.
They haven't played grade at home, and you know they
are people coming up with different thoughts on that that
maybe it's too big of an event and it's all
the celebrities there. I'm like, shut up. The Lakers won
championships with Hollywood there. Come on, Oh, it's too big
(20:01):
for them?
Speaker 7 (20:02):
Yes, I saw that clip I think Boomera size and
said it on New York radio, and I assumed he's
making a joke, like they got stage fright in front
of celebrities.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
He appeared to be being serious.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I've seen it a couple of places. But is it
too big of too much pressure on them? There's pressure
on teams to win. I mean, and how much are
you noticing when you play? When do you notice that
you know Ben Stiller is there? You probably notice in
warm ups and then you go all right, now I
(20:34):
got to do my job. I mean, shouldn't you be
used to Ben Stiller? Being there, or John McEnroe or
Timothy Chalome. I don't know. I think I'd be a
little more intimidated if I was playing in front of
celebrities at a Laker game than a Knicks game.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
Yes, I think if I were a player, being serious,
I'd probably be nervous if a legend was in the house.
Like if you're a Laker and there's Kareem sitting baseline,
you're like, oh, you know, like judgmental. I don't think
I would care about any celebrity being there, but if
a legend of that franchise was there, You're like, I
better get this together.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Well, if halle Berry, you know, back in the day,
that probably would disrupt me, and a modern.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
Day it's still pretty disruptive. Yeah, yeah, quite disruptive. But
Ben Stiller, Oh my god, is that Ben Stiller. I'm
never gonna hit this shot now, that's not gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, yes, yes, Mart, especially for the Knicks.
Speaker 8 (21:30):
Like if you see Spike Lee, he's there every game.
Ben Stiller's there every game. Howard Stern maybe fifteen years ago,
was there every game. Tracy Morgan today there every game.
So there's just normal people you see every single game.
So I'm not sure if they got stage fright or anything,
but maybe if you're an away team playing the Lakers
and you see Jack or you know, whoever, Andy, Garcia,
Denzel whoever's there, You're like, maybe I'm a little nervous.
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Once the game starts, they're probably focused on the game
more so than the selection.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, I would hope. So I would think that the
fans expect the excitement the atmosphere that they bring. You know,
maybe maybe that affects you. I'm just surprised that this
moment is too big for you know, these basketball players,
(22:17):
like you forget to shoot or defense, or you're not
watching celebrities.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
Yeah see, yeah it isn't celebrities, but there is a
pressure to uh, the playoffs, and then the atmosphere certainly
adds something to it. I guess celebrities are part of that,
you know, but I do get the lights feeling a
little different when you know it's an Eastern Conference finals
or something.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
And is that why they play better when they're on
the road, because you know, there's just too many celebrities here.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Oh great, they traveled with us.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Why Timothy Shallomy went to India? What are you doing
here McAfee in the crowd.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
I'm wanna go over twelve.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
It's gonna be too big for this Moment's too.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Big for us.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
Yes, a few years ago, I think we had the
comedian David Spade on and he told us in with
the Lakerland, you judge your hotness in Hollywood by what
seats are given. He goes, so you call for seats,
or you have your PR person call for seats, are like, oh, row.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Four not a good year, but row one means you're
having a great year.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I wasn't. I'm not sure if it was the Pacers
or it was the seventy six ers playing the Lakers
in the finals. I just remember taking a lap and
all of a sudden I saw, you know, there were
certain people in first row, second row, third rowe. Pamela
Anderson was in like the third row and she was
prime Pam Anderson. And I saw her making out with
(23:45):
this model, Marcus Schenkenberg, and I was like, okay, you know,
I drive, you know, walk around. I see Brad Pitt
there and Nicholson there. You know they're used to seeing that.
Bringing Stephen Jack, the co host of All the Smoke podcast,
we were just talking about a couple of members of
(24:06):
the media saying that playing in New York, playing at
the garden, seeing these celebrities, that maybe it's it's too
big for the Knicks. You know that they get somehow
off their game when they play at home. You buy
into that.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
What's up, Dan, Thanks for having me. No, I don't
buy into it.
Speaker 12 (24:25):
You know, I will say that everybody's not built for
those moments. I know a lot of guys I played
with and played against that were great shooters, that made
shots first three quarters, fourth quarter, big games, in playoffs,
they couldn't fall. You know, I started some Dan, they said,
(24:47):
I make love depression. I love those moments. I love
being against those, being in those big old crowds. So
but everybody came do it, and sometimes people do get.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Rabbi, how do you explain Halliburton?
Speaker 5 (25:01):
IQ?
Speaker 12 (25:02):
I think his whole success is being a student of
the game and understanding the game. To have thirty seven points,
ten rebounds of fifteen assists with no turnovers for like
the sixth time, that's all.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
IQ.
Speaker 12 (25:15):
You have to be your brain and the way you're
thinking the game is so ahead of the guys around you,
and the guys you're playing against that the players you're
making are just so ahead that that's why he's not
getting turned over. So I just think his hot IQ
and it's not surprising that it's IQ is so high
because my personal opinion, and I really stand on this,
pop is the greatest coach I played for, But the
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highest IQ than the smartest coach I played for is
definitely Rick carlisle X's and OS is not even close.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Okay, but give us a for instance, like how do
you come up or come to that conclusion?
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Perfect example.
Speaker 12 (25:50):
These days, as you know, the offense is created through
a lot of handoffs, passes and coming his passes and screens,
and normally it's the point guard to the guard, the
point guard gets it back and gets the.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Screen from the big man.
Speaker 12 (26:05):
Well, Rick put a wrinkle in in the time out
in New York for for Game one, Halliburn brought it
up full court and instead of throwing it to the
guard and getting the pick, he threw it to the
big man. The guard picked and he ran off, got
to run his start and got it. Was an easy
layup for the big man. But that was just a
wrinkle Rick put in at a time out that the
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Knicks wasn't prepared for and it got him a easy
shot out of time out.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah. I've known Rick Gosh probably forty years when he
was playing in college and then you know, of course
he was with the Celtics, and you know, I know,
we don't like to say this, somebody got out coached.
Does it happen? How often does it happen at this
level where somebody is getting out coached.
Speaker 12 (26:51):
It happens a lot, but it really gets magnified in
the postseason because each possession counts in each game. It's
about making adjustments. I really seen it when we got
into the bral and I missed half the season and
Raw missed the whole season. We came back and still
made it to the second round. That was basically a
rich coaching having us prepared, knowing everything about the other team,
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and to even to get to the second round after
everything we've been there been through that year. That's a
big testament to how we was coached by Rick and
mc brown.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
How often do you get asked about the brawl with
the Pistos?
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Every forty minutes? Really, everywhere I go to people bring
it up.
Speaker 12 (27:32):
What did they say, Oh man, I loved you in
the bral man.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
You did what you're supposed to do with the Yeah,
well they don't.
Speaker 12 (27:39):
You don't know about the three million I lost and
how that the jacket I had on my back for
the rest of my life. I hear it a lot,
but it's some people are kind of disrespectful for it
when they say it, and some people are very respectful.
And I can notice the difference. But I've done so
much more than that in my life.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
You know.
Speaker 12 (27:58):
Yeah, I want to be known for the lawyer guy.
I will always be that. But you know, I didn't
move I didn't moved.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
On from him.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Steven Jackson, All the Smoke Podcast. How often would Michael
Jordan play pick up when you played for the Bobcats.
Speaker 12 (28:14):
When I was there two years? He did it twice.
He actually came out there and played one on one
with some guys. But one day he really tore into
my butt and uh and got into practice. Came to
practice and wanted to make a statement to the team
because we was kind of filling ourselves, and he showed
up in practice one day and destroyed us, and me
and them kind of had a verbal back and forth
because I'm a competitor, but it didn't go the way
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I wanted it to.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Okay, when did When did you know Mike was was
being serious that he was he was coming to play.
Speaker 12 (28:47):
When he showed up with practice with a practice uniform on,
That's when I knew he was serious. He showed up
with some Jordan's starts and he had a little the
little the second team practice jersey on. That's when I
know it was a problem, and that's why I knew
he was mad.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Did you think he would respect him like you don't
want to talk to him?
Speaker 12 (29:08):
Yeah, Mike's human to me though, Like you know, I'm
you know, even though he's my height on the idolized him.
He's the best ever I You know, if I get
a chance to play against me and compete, I'm a
compete against anybody. I ain't even lie. If God challenged
me to a one on one, I'm gonna try to
beat him, you know. That's that's that's the way I play.
I love the game. I played with passion. You know.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
But you know you're talking about God? Sham God? Is
that who you're talking about.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
I'm talking about the one and only God.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Oh okay, because I might be able to take god,
sham God right now.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Hey, I don't know, Sham. I have been working for
the Mavericks. He's still in good shape.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Do you think Michael could have still played in the
NBA when when he was there challenging guys in practice?
Speaker 12 (29:50):
Uh no, I think I think, you know, for half
court and the way we were practicing, we stayed on
half court. We went to like eight points. It was
better for him because he didn't have to get back
up and down. I don't think he could, but you
know that's Michael Jordan man. Anything he put his mind
so he could have, he did.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
OKAC is a defensive team.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
We don't.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
We tend not to highlight this. We want excitement, We
want scoring up and down. If OKC is gonna win
a title, they're probably gonna win it thanks to defense
and what Shay Gilders does. How would you describe Okac's approach.
Speaker 12 (30:25):
The only reason I have a championship right now, Dad,
is because we had the number one defense in the league.
A defense win championships. I think the teams people don't.
People under ray defense. Defense says a lot of things.
When you have the number one defense, when you have
the number one defensive league and also the best team
in league. That says that your whole team is playing
balls out, your whole team is competing to the ultimate level.
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Everybody's out there trying to stop their man. Everybody's competing
there on the stringing defense. When one man gets beat,
the other guy know where he has to be without
even thinking about it. That's the teams that win championships.
And this has been this team the last two years,
one of the top defensive teams. I love it because
scoring points these days in the NBA it's easy because
because you have so many guys that in the league
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today that are role players.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
They only could do one or two things.
Speaker 12 (31:15):
I've never seen up a time in the NBA where
guys my size are strictly handoffing screen. Guys can't even
shoot like my size. When I was playing, we were
playing point guard to guard like so like, the game
has changed so it's so easy. So when you see
guys out there actually competing on defense when guys don't
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in the league as much because this is softer era.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
I love OKAC and the way they're approaching it and the.
Speaker 12 (31:40):
Reason why I think they have that San Antonio type approach.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
You know, this starts with Sam Presty. He put that
team together.
Speaker 12 (31:47):
He started there, and he was there when I was
in San Antonio soaking everything up, so I can see
why they're having a success.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
How often did Pop yell at you and San Antonio?
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Probably every ten minutes I needed it, though I needed it.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I remember Brent Barry telling me that when all else failed,
he knew he was gonna get yelled at by coach Pop.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 12 (32:12):
A lot of it was warranted because you know, he
was trying to he was trying to make me a professional,
also make me a man, you know. And I was
coming out the games thinking, I'm I gonna play basketball?
Why am I coming out? This is the NBA, bro,
after retch, you have to come out, you know. So
it was a lot of things that I didn't understand
as a young kid coming into the league.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
But Pop handled me right.
Speaker 12 (32:34):
Like a lot of times when I came out the
game and I was screaming and cursing, he wouldn't come
down there. He'll send Mike Brown and Mike Brown just
standing in front of me and let me curse him
out and take it. I'll calm down then, Popa put
me back in the game later, but it worked. It
worked a lot, But at the beginning then I was
frustrated and cursing pop Up didn't understand what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
We've come up with the Hall of very good players
that you know, like Joe Johnson's in the Hall of
very Good, Jamal Crawford, hall of very good guys that
aren't probably aren't gonna make the Hall of Fame. Do
you have any additions that you would like to add
to the Hall of very good?
Speaker 5 (33:10):
Uh?
Speaker 12 (33:10):
Well it so let me ask you. They say the
Hall of Fame is your whole life of basketball, right,
not just your NBA.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Career, right, Yeah, college, international play, yeah, and.
Speaker 12 (33:22):
If you win championships on every level, you should be
you know, close to it. For me personally on the
highest level, I mean I won champions spowl, every level
of basketball played from high school, Big Three, NBA, overseas,
you name it. But as a peer of a lot
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of these guys, I feel like Stephan Marlberry should be
a Hall of Famer. I feel like Jamaine O'Neill should
be a Hall of Famer. I feel like Rna Tests
should be a Hall of Famer, Like all these guys
I'm saying should be in already because of what they've
done in the game.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
You know, we all know Ron had trouble.
Speaker 12 (33:59):
We know he made some mistakes, but he was Defensive
Player of the Year, and we all know as peers
a clear mind, Ron could have been MVPN defensive player
a year of multiple years.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
You know, he just dominated.
Speaker 12 (34:13):
So I look at guys like even you know, I
wouldn't say he Hall of Fame, but he's he could
have had a Hall of Fame career if he wouldn't
have got hurt.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Brandon Roy somebody I speak highly of.
Speaker 12 (34:23):
So like, I look at it different because my stats
are better than Mo Cheeks my career stats. He's in
the Hall of Fame. So you know, I can compare
my stats to some people in the Hall of Fame.
And so if I can compare myself, then watch a
guy like Jermaine on Nil, Rashee Wallace, these type of
guys they should be shoeing because they were that dominant.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
In the game.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Do you think you should be in the Hall of Fame? No, No, Okay,
I love the honest answer.
Speaker 12 (34:53):
Yeah, No, I know I've had a better career and
I've done better things in my life than some of
the people in the Hall of Fame far as basketball wise.
But me being in the Hall of Fame, now I know,
I know that brawl and some of the you know
that notching and stuff. Some of the stuff I've been
into is a big knock, and they don't look at
stuff like that. But to my peers, I hear from
all my peers, I'm in the real Brother Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
You know. I take that mok.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Where is the real brother Hall of Fame? Where is
that building?
Speaker 12 (35:20):
So that it's a group of brothers who all played
in the NBA, who all got some type of ridicue
by the NBA. I'm mistreated or misunderstood by the NBA.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
But guys that.
Speaker 12 (35:32):
Could actually play the game that won in the game.
You know, I made a rookie All Star. I would
have made All Star games if I didn't get into
that trouble because I had great years of six years
average of twenty plus. So it's just a group of
brothers that all was misunderstood, that actually played the game.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Well. Some of us have champions with some of us don't.
Speaker 12 (35:50):
But we all appreciate the role that we took to
get where we're at, you know, and all of us had.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
A tough role to get there.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Latrelle Spreewell is that he's definitely.
Speaker 13 (36:01):
Alan Ibsen is the leader. He's the president, and he's
the president because ninety eight percent of the guys that's
in that group. He showed all of us that we
can be us without compromising who we are and still
be successful. And it don't matter how you look, how
you walk, how you talk, as long as you do
your job. And Alan Ibison showed me that, and that
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was the main reason why I was able to be
myself and not compromise nothing. Yeah I made mistakes, but
I owned up to all of them and still me today.
Allan Ivers says, be yourself because everybody else is already taken.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Good stuff, man, congrats on the podcast.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
Thank you very much. It's been a blessing. Man.
Speaker 12 (36:44):
Shout out Matt Barnes, Brian Daily, Jolana McCary, all my partners. Man,
it's just been a blessing. Then I can't tell you
all this is what happened. I just think you know,
I would always say good things happen to good people.
I've been a lawyer guy in my whole life to
everybody I played with a loving guy, done a lot
for the communities and giving back. So I just think
this is a way of guard of blessing me and
give me an another opportunity to do something great.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
In my life.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Thank you, man, I appreciate. That's Stephen Jackson. The podcast,
the award winning podcast is called All the Smoke was
on there a couple of months ago. Matt Barnes and company.
We'll take a break here, we'll get to some phone calls.
Quinn Buckner, the pacer announcer. Will John is coming up
top of the hour. We're back after this.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
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Speaker 2 (37:38):
Stephen Jackson who spent fourteen years in the NBA. He
was also in an All Star game, the McDonald's All
Star Game. He was the leading scorer. Kobe was in
that All Star Game. Tim Thomas was in that All
Star Game and Stephen Jackson didn't win the MVP. Also,
that quote is going to stay with me. I make
love to pressure.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
I think.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
His quote and if he was playing God that he
beat God one on one, or at least I think
playing Michael Jordan is about as close as you're going
going to get to that. I like how Mike comes
out with practice gear and he's the owner of the Bobcats.
He's got I'm gonna teach you guys lesson today and
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ends up roasting him. All right, time to play the
Kirk Cousins game. Do we have some music for the
Kirk Cousins game?
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Of course, Dan, here we go. Here's a setup.
Speaker 7 (38:31):
Let's assume Kirk Cousins never takes another snap for the
Atlanta Falcons. Okay, what will Kirk cousins next team be?
I would like to go first? Okay, all right, my
choice is the La Rams. Something could happen to their
older quarterback. They're a very competitive team in a playoff
picture almost every year. Kirk Cousins will be a Ram next.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
All right, this is short notice, but Todd, do you
have an answer for Kirk cousins next team will be?
Speaker 9 (39:01):
I'm going to say the New Orleans Saints could use
Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
These days, all right, so they would trade him in
the division.
Speaker 9 (39:08):
Yes, Kenndy's washed up? And then oh, not so fast,
my friend.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Okay, Seaton kirk Cousins. Next team will be.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
The Pittsburgh Steelers of Anaheim.
Speaker 8 (39:20):
Okay, Marvin, the Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Dang those are That's a good guess. I'm gonna say
no to the Steelers because I think Aaron Rodgers is
going there. I would have said the Browns, but they
have a really crowded quarterback room right now. Although he
would be the best quarterback in that quarterback room right now.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
I believe.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Colt's got Danny Dimes though as.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
Not scaring anybody.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah, you look around that QB room like a man
second straight it is.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
I guess huh they can run well those quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Oh man, Oh Minnesota, Okay, wed Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
It could be none of the above. He could retire.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
They did bring a bring Sam Howell. Didn't they bring him?
Speaker 5 (40:30):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Is their backup quarterback to JJ McCarthy. Maybe they bring
him back. He's gonna have options, yes, Ton.
Speaker 9 (40:38):
And Aaron Rodgers seems to be in the back of
his mind waiting for some opportunity to go to the Vikings.
It seems like just when the door's closed, and that's
that's always hovering a little bit waiting for the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yeah, and and and once again, the person I'm speaking
to about Kirk Cousins, we're speculating that that maybe he's
sitting out and there's a reason, so it's not awkward,
and Kirk Cousins will be traded. The question is where
and what's the compensation there? Are you picking up how
much of that contract? And that's a hefty contract to
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pick up? All right, Quinn Buckner will join us. Buckner
is prominently featured in the Celtics docu series, and he
tells a great story about his wife asking Larry Bird
how confident he was going into Game seven in nineteen
eighty four. Also, he was on the Celtics when Larry
put up sixty against the Hawks when that was in
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New Orleans, and the Hawk's bench is high fiving one
another when Larry's hitting shots against their teammates. Two hours
in the books on this Wednesday, one more to go.
I hope you'll stay with us next hour. We're back
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You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Hour two.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
On this Wednesday, Dan and The Dan Edge Dan Patrick Show,
co host of All the Smoke, Stephen Jackson, former NBA player,
will join us. Coming up also Quinn Buckner Pacers broadcaster.
In an hour from now the Pacers they hold on,
beat the Knicks by nine. They're up three games to one.
Tyrese Haliburton had pretty much a perfect game thirty two points,
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fifteen assists, and twelve rebounds. I was wondering in playoff
history the most assist without a turnover, So his fifteen
assists were the most in a postseason triple double without
a turnover since Magic Johnson in nineteen ninety one. Magic
had twenty one to ten and seventeen assists. Now Chris
(00:49):
Paul also had fifteen assists in a triple double without
a turnover in two thousand and eight, twenty four, eleven,
and fifteen.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
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Shato Today brought to you by Penini America, the official
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pretty good list to join.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
There.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Magic in nineteen ninety one twenty one, ten and seventeen assists,
but Haliburton thirty two, twelve and fifteen zero turnovers. So
most points in a playoff triple double without a turnover.
Since this was two thousand and two, Marvin, you might
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get this. It's a it's a player that you brought
up his name before. He's in the Hall of very Good.
In two thousand and two he had thirty three points,
fourteen rebounds, ten assists and no turnovers. Sean Marion, no,
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Baron Davis.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Course, yes, of course it was all right eight seven
seven three DP. Show operator sitting by, that's Tyler. You
take your phone calls. Tonight, the Timberwolves are getting eight
and a half against the thunder as Okaysee tries to
close them out. Oiters up three to one on the
Stars Panthers Hurricanes Game five tonight. Poll question for hour
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two is gonna be what seed no' connor. We got
a couple of options here. Paul is very optimistic on show.
Heyo tani uh.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
He wants to know how many MVPs he ends his
career with four, five, six, seven plus.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Hm okay, who has the most MVPs in baseball history?
Speaker 7 (03:02):
Barry Bonds has seven seven. Nobody else has more than three.
There's like seven guys in history that have three. But
if you could Barry got three before the Giants and
four with so they're it's a dubious seven.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
I guess you'd say.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
So.
Speaker 7 (03:17):
Here's the point risk I was thinking about Otani. How
does he not win the MVP over the next few years.
If you combine fifty plus home runs with a three
hundred average, that'll probably get it for you. And then
you add in maybe a dozen starts or helping his
team and a great team that's always in the playoff picture.
It's almost like betting against him winning the MVP would
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be a bad bet in the near future.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, I think he's got a build in advantage if
he does pitch. I mean, he's already going to put
up offensive numbers. He just hit his twentieth home run.
He's homeward in three consecutive games. We're not surprised anymore
with that. I think, coming back to pitch and if
he's going to be successful, how much do you use him?
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But de Winsotani have three MVPs now.
Speaker 7 (04:06):
Yes, he has three in the past four seasons and
he finished runner up once. Okay does he Ever, he
probably won't ever get the treatment that Giannis would get
or even Michael Jordan because no one else does what
he does.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Well. Who would you compare him to with those other players,
those other like basketball players are putting up crazy stats
now and you know, everybody gets twenty points. It feels like,
you know, in baseball, not everybody is doing what Otani
does now. Guys hit a lot of home runs, but
he's still hitting for average. He's helped out by being
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in the National League because Aaron judge the season that
he's having in the American League. So there's only one MVP.
They don't want do one for the Eastern Conference in
the Western Conference, and that's what baseball does. But I
would be surprised if O'tani doesn't end up with at
least five MVPs.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Ye.
Speaker 7 (05:00):
Yeah, I was saying the same because if you look
at it, there's a couple of guys who pop up
every year.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
In the NL.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
But at the end of the day, when when you
get to the vote, you're gonna have to create a
reason to not vote for Otani. Yeah, it's like the
best story or some guy who comes out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
But he can pitch, and if he's able to pitch,
and I understand that he wants to pitch, and the Dodgers,
you know, love that novelty as well. I just wouldn't
want to run the risk of another arm surgery. Then
it takes the bat out of the lineup.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Yeah, but is there is there something too, like sort
of the other side of that argument where he would
have to be a great pitcher and a great hitter,
Like he has to be sort of great in both respects.
I'm not saying that he's not necessarily, but that's a
high bar to keep up every year.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I would say he just has to be a good
pitcher and a great hitter, because I don't know if
he's going to pitch enough to be a great pitcher.
I think he can be a guy who maybe you
may wins like twelve games, but I don't know how
much you want to use him. You know, he's a
five man rotation. Is he a six man rotation? I
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don't And plus pitchers now are pitching five innings, so
that's a little bit different with the wear and tear
on him. But he's had a couple of quote procedures
that would make me nervous.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
Yeah, pulling Otani's last three years as a starting pitcher,
and he only started about twenty five games a year.
He was nine and two, fifteen and nine, ten and five.
He was like a B plus. His stats were very
good as ere was very good, but he didn't have
enough starts to get to twenty wins, but it helped
him get the MVP.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
If he gets between ten and fifteen wins and he's
Otani at the plate, I don't know how anybody can
come close to him as far as the MVP. Terry Bradshaw,
Hall of Famer Steeler Great, had some things to say.
He's not happy with what the Steelers are doing. He
did not hold back. He was on a radio show
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and lasted the Pittsburgh Steelers. Here is a portion of
that interview with Terry Bradshaw on Morning Mayhem podcast.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
What do you think about possibly Aaron Rodgers being the quarterback?
Speaker 5 (07:14):
As a joke?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
He should they That is just to me as a joke,
But what are you gonna bring him in for one year?
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Are you kidding me.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I mean, that's not the Steeler's way, right.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
No, man, that guy needs to stay in California.
Speaker 8 (07:26):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Show one bark and mist to the gods out there
one percent these guys on the show.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Mister Bradshaw know I'm not a fan of his.
Speaker 8 (07:37):
We we've been around each other personally, and he was
not a kind person.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Now he does not. I had to go over and
introduce myself to him.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
He's not I had to go, hey, hey, Aaron, I'm
Terry Bradshaw.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
I know he knows me, but I just felt like
I better tell him who I am and not. You know,
you walk in there and you get in his presence
and you feel like it's gonna start snowing.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Is he ripping Rogers or is he ripping the Steelers
or both? Sounds like he doesn't like Aaron Rodgers and
he doesn't like what the Steelers are doing. Now I
agree with what this you know with him. I don't
agree with what the Steelers are doing, but I do
think the Steelers have a verbal agreement with Aaron Rodgers.
(08:24):
That would be my best guess. I don't have any
information other than the Steelers are kind of quietly moving
on with life every single day. They don't seem to
be panicking. I don't think you can be comfortable going
into the season with Mason Rudolph. Therefore, I think they
have a verbal agreement with Aaron Rodgers. Rogers going to
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do what he wants to do. Then he's going to
show up and he's going to be your quarterback. That's
the feeling I think early on in the talks that
they had, the interview, when he came in, spent six
hours there. I thought, Okay, these are the Steelers. You
want to play for the Steelers. It's not the Steelers
are begging you to play for them. And it felt
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that way in the beginning. And I'm sure the Steelers
came up with some kind of framework here to say,
this is what we're going to offer you. We're going
to go out and make this deal. We're going to
get rid of this wide receiver.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
We're going to.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Clue you in on everything that's going on here, and
then we need you to show up. And they probably
have a certain date already circled where Aaron Rodgers will
show up to play for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Here's another
thing that's going on, and it's quietly going on, but
it's something that I'm trying to get more information on it.
And it has to do with Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins
(09:40):
is now the backup quarterback in Atlanta. Michael Pennix Junior,
the third is your starter. Well, Kirk Cousins ultimate team player.
He didn't show up for OTAs Now. It's surprising because
it feels like Kirk has maybe embraced the fact that
he's going to be a mentor to Michael Pennix Junior.
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Doesn't mean he doesn't want to play, doesn't want to
be a starter. And then there was talk, well, if
Steelers don't get Aaron Rodgers, they'll get Kirk Cousins. I
don't see that situation, at least not yet, but this
is what I was told. This is a good situation
for both sides because it will be less awkward both
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sides waiting for a trade to materialize. Last week, the
offensive coordinator with the Falcons said that Cousins ha's only
been there for a handful of days this offseason. This
situation might be like Carson Palmer in twenty eleven, sit
home wait for an injury, but with full pay. That
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is what I'm told is happening with Kirk Cousins, that
he'll want to play and probably have to bide his
time and wait for an opening there. And there was
talk that Rogers was going to try to do this,
that Rogers would wait for an injury, and you know
he was also I guess holding out hope from Minnesota.
But there's you know, there's some things going on. But
(11:05):
I do think Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers have a
verbal agreement for him to go play, and I think
that's why there's no panic in Pittsburgh, at least in
the front office.
Speaker 7 (11:17):
Yes, Paul, and you'd be fine with this if you're
the Falcons, because there's no upside. There's remember that Sam
Bradford trade a million years ago when the Eagles traded
Bradford to Minnesota and Teddy Bridgewater ripped up his knee
and they got a whole bunch fromhim. That's the ideal situation,
not that you want someone to get hurt, but if
you're the Falcons, just waited out.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, and I don't know what you're going to get,
And there's been talk of how much are you going
to pick up of his salary. Well, those things have
a way of working out. And you know, is some
team going to pick up half of his salary? You know,
what are the Falcons on the hook for? What do
the Falcons want in return for Kirk Cousins? Because if
I'm Pittsburgh, Kirk Cousins makes more sense than Aaron Rodgers
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because at least I can get. I know that I
can get a couple of years out of Kirk Cousins.
I don't know what I get. You know, the Steelers
could be going through this next year with Aaron Rodgers.
Are you gonna play? I don't know. You sure, I
don't know. I might play. I don't know. Let me go.
I gotta go on a retreat and then I'll come
back and I'll let you know. Thank you. That's not
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how you run an organization if you want continuity there
do I think the ceiling for Aaron Rodgers is different
than Kirk Cousins. Of course, but I also have to
look at my locker room. Having that guy who's going
to be there help the younger players. That's what you want,
certainly from a guy of his status. But I'm guessing
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that he's still going to want to play at least
one more year in Pittsburgh. All right, so we have
our poll question for hour two Seaton.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Yeah, yeah, we got a couple of pole questions going
to It's it's crazy to me that Kirk Cousins is
looking at moving teams again.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Well, would you just stay in Atlanta? He would be
back home. Yeah, I don't know. I mean I would
want to play if I was him. However, he just
signed another Monster deal and he barely even threw that
where he got what one hundred million guaranteed or something,
and now he's already on his way out. He already
lost that job. Well I wouldn't have brought him in
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to begin with. And I said that coming off an injury,
and you're going to pay him all that money. I mean,
I credit him and his agent. They're brilliant business people.
We did reach out to Kirk Cousins and uh, we
were told that he doesn't want to doesn't want to
do the interview, or doesn't want to talk.
Speaker 9 (13:34):
Todd especially not available at this time, which is okay,
not advance. I think you know he loves the show
for it.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Well, he's not practicing, so what's he doing? It seems
like you would have a lot of time.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Can't buy a phone for all that?
Speaker 10 (13:46):
Man?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Do o ot A tricky time right now for Kirk
in the falcon?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Okay, I got needs too, Todd, he could help me
fill some time here.
Speaker 9 (13:57):
He's usually very jenous with his times. We love come
on when he feels like it's the right time. All right,
okay for our purposes, would be great to come on today.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Okay, but why wouldn't you want to come on? If
there's nothing you know, no news and he's staying in Atlanta,
then should be fine.
Speaker 9 (14:12):
Because you ask the tough questions that everybody wants to know.
What are you not at OTAs for? And I can
go out like honoring his career in qualcom. We want
to know what's going on there? Why are you blowing
off OTAs?
Speaker 7 (14:22):
Yes, Paul, we will be playing thirty minutes from now
the Kirk Cousins game.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Where will he be next year? We got to beat
the rush on.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
The good news?
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Tune in for that.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
All right? Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Steven Jackson will join us. He is a co host
of All Thus Smoke, former NBA player. We'll take a break.
More phone calls coming up. We're back after this and
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Speaker 2 (15:52):
We'll catch up with Steven Jackson, played fourteen years in
the NBA, now a co host of All the Smoke
podcast Too. Joon is coming up here in a moment.
Ethan in Indianapolis joins us Hi Ethan, what's on your
mind today? Ethan?
Speaker 10 (16:09):
Hey, Dan, I'm going big fan.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Thanks for having me on. Sure.
Speaker 10 (16:15):
Hey, just let you know I'm the brand new father
of Tatum. His name is Catum. He is a lot
being twenty one inches and.
Speaker 9 (16:24):
A cotton down saw, six pounds fifteen ounces.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Well, congratulations, Ethan. Your phone connection is not very good,
but congratulations on becoming a new father. Jay in West Virginia,
Hi Jay, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Hi Dan? How are you doing today? Good? Sir? Good? Hey?
Speaker 10 (16:46):
I heard you talk earlier about Colorado and why the
attendance is still somewhat okay, because if THO they're bad.
I just went there last week and one thing that
I found really surprising was like the roof top they
have a they have a bar up a top of
the ballpark called the Rooftop, and there's a Smashburger up
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there too, And of all the places that was in
the ballpark, that place was packed. And the one thing
I came to find out, because I've done quite a
few ballparks, was the food was really good. The atmosphere
is really nice, and you know, it's like having a
social hour and a ball and a ball game was
in play. You know, I thought it was just really
(17:30):
cool how the atmosphere was.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
You gotta tell me get it.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, yeah, you're going and you know it's a social
scene there. Thanks for the phone call, Jay, Yes, Paul.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
Yeah, it's it's by far the easiest sport to enjoy
with nothing really going on. Your team could be twenty
games out or twenty games up.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
They created this atmosphere and a lot of these ballparks
that they wanted to be a social event that you
can go there and you're going to watch your game,
enjoy yourself and maybe you watch a little bit of baseball.
I'm looking at since nineteen eighty four, the most assist
in a playoff game without a turnover. So Haliburton had
a triple double. We've already talked about that company that
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he's in. Rajon Rondo had nineteen assists and no turnovers
in a playoff game that was nine against the Bulls.
Magic Johnson had seventeen back in nineteen ninety one. Robert
Reid of the of the Rockets, I was at this
game at nineteen eighty six NBA Finals against the Celtics.
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Chris Paul had sixteen back in twenty fourteen, and Jay
Kidd had sixteen for the Suns back in two thousand
and one. And that's without a turnover. Stat of the day,
stat of the day, that best stead of the day,
stat of the.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Day, here comes that what stat of the.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Day brought you by Panini America, the official trading cards
of the program. And once again, if you're just joining us,
Haliburton's fifteen assists are the most in a postseason triple
double without a turnover since Magic in nineteen ninety one.
Chris Paul said fifteen assists in his triple double without
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a turnover in two thousand and eight, taking care of
the ball, having the ball in your hands constantly, but
also he accounted for either scoring or assisting on over
half his team's points in that game, and that was
the game. I thought that the Knicks were going to win.
The Knicks have proven they can win on the road. Well,
now they really have to prove that they can win
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on the road. This is a must win situation for them.
They haven't played grade at home, and you know they
are people coming up with different thoughts on that that
maybe it's too big of an event and it's all
the celebrities there. I'm like, shut up. The Lakers won
championships with Hollywood there. Come on, Oh, it's too big
(20:01):
for them?
Speaker 7 (20:02):
Yes, I saw that clip I think Boomera size and
said it on New York radio, and I assumed he's
making a joke, like they got stage fright in front
of celebrities.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
He appeared to be being serious.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I've seen it a couple of places. But is it
too big of too much pressure on them? There's pressure
on teams to win. I mean, and how much are
you noticing when you play? When do you notice that
you know Ben Stiller is there? You probably notice in
warm ups and then you go all right, now I
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got to do my job. I mean, shouldn't you be
used to Ben Stiller? Being there, or John McEnroe or
Timothy Chalome. I don't know. I think I'd be a
little more intimidated if I was playing in front of
celebrities at a Laker game than a Knicks game.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
Yes, I think if I were a player, being serious,
I'd probably be nervous if a legend was in the house.
Like if you're a Laker and there's Kareem sitting baseline,
you're like, oh, you know, like judgmental. I don't think
I would care about any celebrity being there, but if
a legend of that franchise was there, You're like, I
better get this together.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Well, if halle Berry, you know, back in the day,
that probably would disrupt me, and a modern.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
Day it's still pretty disruptive. Yeah, yeah, quite disruptive. But
Ben Stiller, Oh my god, is that Ben Stiller. I'm
never gonna hit this shot now, that's not gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, yes, yes, Mart, especially for the Knicks.
Speaker 8 (21:30):
Like if you see Spike Lee, he's there every game.
Ben Stiller's there every game. Howard Stern maybe fifteen years ago,
was there every game. Tracy Morgan today there every game.
So there's just normal people you see every single game.
So I'm not sure if they got stage fright or anything,
but maybe if you're an away team playing the Lakers
and you see Jack or you know, whoever, Andy, Garcia,
Denzel whoever's there, You're like, maybe I'm a little nervous.
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Once the game starts, they're probably focused on the game
more so than the selection.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, I would hope. So I would think that the
fans expect the excitement the atmosphere that they bring. You know,
maybe maybe that affects you. I'm just surprised that this
moment is too big for you know, these basketball players,
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like you forget to shoot or defense, or you're not
watching celebrities.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
Yeah see, yeah it isn't celebrities, but there is a
pressure to uh, the playoffs, and then the atmosphere certainly
adds something to it. I guess celebrities are part of that,
you know, but I do get the lights feeling a
little different when you know it's an Eastern Conference finals
or something.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
And is that why they play better when they're on
the road, because you know, there's just too many celebrities here.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Oh great, they traveled with us.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Why Timothy Shallomy went to India? What are you doing
here McAfee in the crowd.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
I'm wanna go over twelve.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
It's gonna be too big for this Moment's too.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Big for us.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
Yes, a few years ago, I think we had the
comedian David Spade on and he told us in with
the Lakerland, you judge your hotness in Hollywood by what
seats are given. He goes, so you call for seats,
or you have your PR person call for seats, are like, oh, row.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Four not a good year, but row one means you're
having a great year.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I wasn't. I'm not sure if it was the Pacers
or it was the seventy six ers playing the Lakers
in the finals. I just remember taking a lap and
all of a sudden I saw, you know, there were
certain people in first row, second row, third rowe. Pamela
Anderson was in like the third row and she was
prime Pam Anderson. And I saw her making out with
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this model, Marcus Schenkenberg, and I was like, okay, you know,
I drive, you know, walk around. I see Brad Pitt
there and Nicholson there. You know they're used to seeing that.
Bringing Stephen Jack, the co host of All the Smoke podcast,
we were just talking about a couple of members of
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the media saying that playing in New York, playing at
the garden, seeing these celebrities, that maybe it's it's too
big for the Knicks. You know that they get somehow
off their game when they play at home. You buy
into that.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
What's up, Dan, Thanks for having me. No, I don't
buy into it.
Speaker 12 (24:25):
You know, I will say that everybody's not built for
those moments. I know a lot of guys I played
with and played against that were great shooters, that made
shots first three quarters, fourth quarter, big games, in playoffs,
they couldn't fall. You know, I started some Dan, they said,
(24:47):
I make love depression. I love those moments. I love
being against those, being in those big old crowds. So
but everybody came do it, and sometimes people do get.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Rabbi, how do you explain Halliburton?
Speaker 5 (25:01):
IQ?
Speaker 12 (25:02):
I think his whole success is being a student of
the game and understanding the game. To have thirty seven points,
ten rebounds of fifteen assists with no turnovers for like
the sixth time, that's all.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
IQ.
Speaker 12 (25:15):
You have to be your brain and the way you're
thinking the game is so ahead of the guys around you,
and the guys you're playing against that the players you're
making are just so ahead that that's why he's not
getting turned over. So I just think his hot IQ
and it's not surprising that it's IQ is so high
because my personal opinion, and I really stand on this,
pop is the greatest coach I played for, But the
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highest IQ than the smartest coach I played for is
definitely Rick carlisle X's and OS is not even close.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Okay, but give us a for instance, like how do
you come up or come to that conclusion?
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Perfect example.
Speaker 12 (25:50):
These days, as you know, the offense is created through
a lot of handoffs, passes and coming his passes and screens,
and normally it's the point guard to the guard, the
point guard gets it back and gets the.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Screen from the big man.
Speaker 12 (26:05):
Well, Rick put a wrinkle in in the time out
in New York for for Game one, Halliburn brought it
up full court and instead of throwing it to the
guard and getting the pick, he threw it to the
big man. The guard picked and he ran off, got
to run his start and got it. Was an easy
layup for the big man. But that was just a
wrinkle Rick put in at a time out that the
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Knicks wasn't prepared for and it got him a easy
shot out of time out.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah. I've known Rick Gosh probably forty years when he
was playing in college and then you know, of course
he was with the Celtics, and you know, I know,
we don't like to say this, somebody got out coached.
Does it happen? How often does it happen at this
level where somebody is getting out coached.
Speaker 12 (26:51):
It happens a lot, but it really gets magnified in
the postseason because each possession counts in each game. It's
about making adjustments. I really seen it when we got
into the bral and I missed half the season and
Raw missed the whole season. We came back and still
made it to the second round. That was basically a
rich coaching having us prepared, knowing everything about the other team,
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and to even to get to the second round after
everything we've been there been through that year. That's a
big testament to how we was coached by Rick and
mc brown.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
How often do you get asked about the brawl with
the Pistos?
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Every forty minutes? Really, everywhere I go to people bring
it up.
Speaker 12 (27:32):
What did they say, Oh man, I loved you in
the bral man.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
You did what you're supposed to do with the Yeah,
well they don't.
Speaker 12 (27:39):
You don't know about the three million I lost and
how that the jacket I had on my back for
the rest of my life. I hear it a lot,
but it's some people are kind of disrespectful for it
when they say it, and some people are very respectful.
And I can notice the difference. But I've done so
much more than that in my life.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
You know.
Speaker 12 (27:58):
Yeah, I want to be known for the lawyer guy.
I will always be that. But you know, I didn't
move I didn't moved.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
On from him.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Steven Jackson, All the Smoke Podcast. How often would Michael
Jordan play pick up when you played for the Bobcats.
Speaker 12 (28:14):
When I was there two years? He did it twice.
He actually came out there and played one on one
with some guys. But one day he really tore into
my butt and uh and got into practice. Came to
practice and wanted to make a statement to the team
because we was kind of filling ourselves, and he showed
up in practice one day and destroyed us, and me
and them kind of had a verbal back and forth
because I'm a competitor, but it didn't go the way
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I wanted it to.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Okay, when did When did you know Mike was was
being serious that he was he was coming to play.
Speaker 12 (28:47):
When he showed up with practice with a practice uniform on,
That's when I knew he was serious. He showed up
with some Jordan's starts and he had a little the
little the second team practice jersey on. That's when I
know it was a problem, and that's why I knew
he was mad.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Did you think he would respect him like you don't
want to talk to him?
Speaker 12 (29:08):
Yeah, Mike's human to me though, Like you know, I'm
you know, even though he's my height on the idolized him.
He's the best ever I You know, if I get
a chance to play against me and compete, I'm a
compete against anybody. I ain't even lie. If God challenged
me to a one on one, I'm gonna try to
beat him, you know. That's that's that's the way I play.
I love the game. I played with passion. You know.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
But you know you're talking about God? Sham God? Is
that who you're talking about.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
I'm talking about the one and only God.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Oh okay, because I might be able to take god,
sham God right now.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Hey, I don't know, Sham. I have been working for
the Mavericks. He's still in good shape.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Do you think Michael could have still played in the
NBA when when he was there challenging guys in practice?
Speaker 12 (29:50):
Uh no, I think I think, you know, for half
court and the way we were practicing, we stayed on
half court. We went to like eight points. It was
better for him because he didn't have to get back
up and down. I don't think he could, but you
know that's Michael Jordan man. Anything he put his mind
so he could have, he did.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
OKAC is a defensive team.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
We don't.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
We tend not to highlight this. We want excitement, We
want scoring up and down. If OKC is gonna win
a title, they're probably gonna win it thanks to defense
and what Shay Gilders does. How would you describe Okac's approach.
Speaker 12 (30:25):
The only reason I have a championship right now, Dad,
is because we had the number one defense in the league.
A defense win championships. I think the teams people don't.
People under ray defense. Defense says a lot of things.
When you have the number one defense, when you have
the number one defensive league and also the best team
in league. That says that your whole team is playing
balls out, your whole team is competing to the ultimate level.
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Everybody's out there trying to stop their man. Everybody's competing
there on the stringing defense. When one man gets beat,
the other guy know where he has to be without
even thinking about it. That's the teams that win championships.
And this has been this team the last two years,
one of the top defensive teams. I love it because
scoring points these days in the NBA it's easy because
because you have so many guys that in the league
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today that are role players.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
They only could do one or two things.
Speaker 12 (31:15):
I've never seen up a time in the NBA where
guys my size are strictly handoffing screen. Guys can't even
shoot like my size. When I was playing, we were
playing point guard to guard like so like, the game
has changed so it's so easy. So when you see
guys out there actually competing on defense when guys don't
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in the league as much because this is softer era.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
I love OKAC and the way they're approaching it and the.
Speaker 12 (31:40):
Reason why I think they have that San Antonio type approach.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
You know, this starts with Sam Presty. He put that
team together.
Speaker 12 (31:47):
He started there, and he was there when I was
in San Antonio soaking everything up, so I can see
why they're having a success.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
How often did Pop yell at you and San Antonio?
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Probably every ten minutes I needed it, though I needed it.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I remember Brent Barry telling me that when all else failed,
he knew he was gonna get yelled at by coach Pop.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 12 (32:12):
A lot of it was warranted because you know, he
was trying to he was trying to make me a professional,
also make me a man, you know. And I was
coming out the games thinking, I'm I gonna play basketball?
Why am I coming out? This is the NBA, bro,
after retch, you have to come out, you know. So
it was a lot of things that I didn't understand
as a young kid coming into the league.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
But Pop handled me right.
Speaker 12 (32:34):
Like a lot of times when I came out the
game and I was screaming and cursing, he wouldn't come
down there. He'll send Mike Brown and Mike Brown just
standing in front of me and let me curse him
out and take it. I'll calm down then, Popa put
me back in the game later, but it worked. It
worked a lot, But at the beginning then I was
frustrated and cursing pop Up didn't understand what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
We've come up with the Hall of very good players
that you know, like Joe Johnson's in the Hall of
very Good, Jamal Crawford, hall of very good guys that
aren't probably aren't gonna make the Hall of Fame. Do
you have any additions that you would like to add
to the Hall of very good?
Speaker 5 (33:10):
Uh?
Speaker 12 (33:10):
Well it so let me ask you. They say the
Hall of Fame is your whole life of basketball, right,
not just your NBA.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Career, right, Yeah, college, international play, yeah, and.
Speaker 12 (33:22):
If you win championships on every level, you should be
you know, close to it. For me personally on the
highest level, I mean I won champions spowl, every level
of basketball played from high school, Big Three, NBA, overseas,
you name it. But as a peer of a lot
(33:42):
of these guys, I feel like Stephan Marlberry should be
a Hall of Famer. I feel like Jamaine O'Neill should
be a Hall of Famer. I feel like Rna Tests
should be a Hall of Famer, Like all these guys
I'm saying should be in already because of what they've
done in the game.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
You know, we all know Ron had trouble.
Speaker 12 (33:59):
We know he made some mistakes, but he was Defensive
Player of the Year, and we all know as peers
a clear mind, Ron could have been MVPN defensive player
a year of multiple years.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
You know, he just dominated.
Speaker 12 (34:13):
So I look at guys like even you know, I
wouldn't say he Hall of Fame, but he's he could
have had a Hall of Fame career if he wouldn't
have got hurt.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Brandon Roy somebody I speak highly of.
Speaker 12 (34:23):
So like, I look at it different because my stats
are better than Mo Cheeks my career stats. He's in
the Hall of Fame. So you know, I can compare
my stats to some people in the Hall of Fame.
And so if I can compare myself, then watch a
guy like Jermaine on Nil, Rashee Wallace, these type of
guys they should be shoeing because they were that dominant.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
In the game.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Do you think you should be in the Hall of Fame? No, No, Okay,
I love the honest answer.
Speaker 12 (34:53):
Yeah, No, I know I've had a better career and
I've done better things in my life than some of
the people in the Hall of Fame far as basketball wise.
But me being in the Hall of Fame, now I know,
I know that brawl and some of the you know
that notching and stuff. Some of the stuff I've been
into is a big knock, and they don't look at
stuff like that. But to my peers, I hear from
all my peers, I'm in the real Brother Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
You know. I take that mok.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Where is the real brother Hall of Fame? Where is
that building?
Speaker 12 (35:20):
So that it's a group of brothers who all played
in the NBA, who all got some type of ridicue
by the NBA. I'm mistreated or misunderstood by the NBA.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
But guys that.
Speaker 12 (35:32):
Could actually play the game that won in the game.
You know, I made a rookie All Star. I would
have made All Star games if I didn't get into
that trouble because I had great years of six years
average of twenty plus. So it's just a group of
brothers that all was misunderstood, that actually played the game.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Well. Some of us have champions with some of us don't.
Speaker 12 (35:50):
But we all appreciate the role that we took to
get where we're at, you know, and all of us had.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
A tough role to get there.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Latrelle Spreewell is that he's definitely.
Speaker 13 (36:01):
Alan Ibsen is the leader. He's the president, and he's
the president because ninety eight percent of the guys that's
in that group. He showed all of us that we
can be us without compromising who we are and still
be successful. And it don't matter how you look, how
you walk, how you talk, as long as you do
your job. And Alan Ibison showed me that, and that
(36:24):
was the main reason why I was able to be
myself and not compromise nothing. Yeah I made mistakes, but
I owned up to all of them and still me today.
Allan Ivers says, be yourself because everybody else is already taken.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Good stuff, man, congrats on the podcast.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
Thank you very much. It's been a blessing. Man.
Speaker 12 (36:44):
Shout out Matt Barnes, Brian Daily, Jolana McCary, all my partners. Man,
it's just been a blessing. Then I can't tell you
all this is what happened. I just think you know,
I would always say good things happen to good people.
I've been a lawyer guy in my whole life to
everybody I played with a loving guy, done a lot
for the communities and giving back. So I just think
this is a way of guard of blessing me and
give me an another opportunity to do something great.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
In my life.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Thank you, man, I appreciate. That's Stephen Jackson. The podcast,
the award winning podcast is called All the Smoke was
on there a couple of months ago. Matt Barnes and company.
We'll take a break here, we'll get to some phone calls.
Quinn Buckner, the pacer announcer. Will John is coming up
top of the hour. We're back after this.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio wapp.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Stephen Jackson who spent fourteen years in the NBA. He
was also in an All Star game, the McDonald's All
Star Game. He was the leading scorer. Kobe was in
that All Star Game. Tim Thomas was in that All
Star Game and Stephen Jackson didn't win the MVP. Also,
that quote is going to stay with me. I make
love to pressure.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
I think.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
His quote and if he was playing God that he
beat God one on one, or at least I think
playing Michael Jordan is about as close as you're going
going to get to that. I like how Mike comes
out with practice gear and he's the owner of the Bobcats.
He's got I'm gonna teach you guys lesson today and
(38:21):
ends up roasting him. All right, time to play the
Kirk Cousins game. Do we have some music for the
Kirk Cousins game?
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Of course, Dan, here we go. Here's a setup.
Speaker 7 (38:31):
Let's assume Kirk Cousins never takes another snap for the
Atlanta Falcons. Okay, what will Kirk cousins next team be?
I would like to go first? Okay, all right, my
choice is the La Rams. Something could happen to their
older quarterback. They're a very competitive team in a playoff
picture almost every year. Kirk Cousins will be a Ram next.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
All right, this is short notice, but Todd, do you
have an answer for Kirk cousins next team will be?
Speaker 9 (39:01):
I'm going to say the New Orleans Saints could use
Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
These days, all right, so they would trade him in
the division.
Speaker 9 (39:08):
Yes, Kenndy's washed up? And then oh, not so fast,
my friend.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Okay, Seaton kirk Cousins. Next team will be.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
The Pittsburgh Steelers of Anaheim.
Speaker 8 (39:20):
Okay, Marvin, the Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Dang those are That's a good guess. I'm gonna say
no to the Steelers because I think Aaron Rodgers is
going there. I would have said the Browns, but they
have a really crowded quarterback room right now. Although he
would be the best quarterback in that quarterback room right now.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
I believe.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Colt's got Danny Dimes though as.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
Not scaring anybody.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah, you look around that QB room like a man
second straight it is.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
I guess huh they can run well those quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Oh man, Oh Minnesota, Okay, wed Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
It could be none of the above. He could retire.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
They did bring a bring Sam Howell. Didn't they bring him?
Speaker 5 (40:30):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Is their backup quarterback to JJ McCarthy. Maybe they bring
him back. He's gonna have options, yes, Ton.
Speaker 9 (40:38):
And Aaron Rodgers seems to be in the back of
his mind waiting for some opportunity to go to the Vikings.
It seems like just when the door's closed, and that's
that's always hovering a little bit waiting for the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yeah, and and and once again, the person I'm speaking
to about Kirk Cousins, we're speculating that that maybe he's
sitting out and there's a reason, so it's not awkward,
and Kirk Cousins will be traded. The question is where
and what's the compensation there? Are you picking up how
much of that contract? And that's a hefty contract to
(41:10):
pick up? All right, Quinn Buckner will join us. Buckner
is prominently featured in the Celtics docu series, and he
tells a great story about his wife asking Larry Bird
how confident he was going into Game seven in nineteen
eighty four. Also, he was on the Celtics when Larry
put up sixty against the Hawks when that was in
(41:32):
New Orleans, and the Hawk's bench is high fiving one
another when Larry's hitting shots against their teammates. Two hours
in the books on this Wednesday, one more to go.
I hope you'll stay with us next hour. We're back
after this
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