May 29, 2025 • 41 mins
Dan and the crew try to dissect the definition of “the good old days” and when exactly sports were better. And NBA insider Tim Legler stops by to discuss the NBA Playoffs and how Oklahoma City star Shai Gilgeous-Alexander can keep his scoring prowess going.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's our one hour two now on Thursday, Dan and
the Dan n'ce Dan Patrick Show. Glad to have you
on board, ready to go. Tim Legler of the Mothership
will join us coming up a little bit. Speaking of
hour one. At the end of our one we stumbled
upon something. One of the callers thought that I was
disparaging Larry Bird as a top ten player of all time.
(00:25):
I think that Larry and Magic should be, you know,
linked together forever. That you should have eleven players in
the top ten and that would be Larry and Magic
or together wherever you place them, if they're sixth or
seventh or eighth or ninth or tenth, that they're together.
But I'm not disparaging Larry's career at all. And I
have watched those videos that are on YouTube, and I
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would encourage people who didn't believe it, don't believe it,
to at least, you know, take a look at what
Larry was able to do, you know, and it wasn't
for a long period of time because of his back injury.
But I would hope to have Magic and Larry intertwined
for the rest of their careers, but you have to
be fair to a new generation. Does Joker get into
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the top ten at some point, Let's say there's another MVP.
Let's say there's two more MVPs. Now you got five.
Now all of a sudden, you're you know, you're approaching
Michael Jordan territory. Just to be fair, if Steph Curry
would win a championship, okay, does that change anything? And
we tend to look at this list, and you know,
(01:31):
everybody puts Bill Russell in there, the ultimate team winner,
but Wilt Chamberlain, who was Babe Ruth. Sometimes people forget
just how great he was.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
He is.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Tim Duncan a top ten player, Karl Malone won a
couple MVPs but didn't win a title. Is he in there?
Shaq Kobe? I mean, run down the list of great players.
But in no way do I disparage or think that
Larry is not a top ten player. Because if you
said I could have Lebron or Larry at the peak
(02:00):
of their career, I'm taking Larry, you know, And I
got to cover both of these careers. So you know,
I love the sport, appreciate the sport, the history of
the sport. I want to be fair to those who
came before and those who are going to come after.
And so if there was any misconception with that, because
I brought it up with Steven Jackson that you know,
(02:22):
are you prepared? Larry Bird falls out of the top ten.
And as blasphemous as that might sound, I'm just trying
to be a realist with this, all right. Eight seven
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(02:45):
He'll join us coming up a little bit later. On
Pacers Nix, Nicks are favored by four in game five.
If you're the Pacers, can you continue to do what
you're doing? And what they what they want to do
is you know, I mean in contrasting styles, The Knicks,
you know, want to be a half court team. The
Pacers want to run. You can you run? Well? It
(03:07):
helps if you rebound and that sometimes overlooked. If they
can run them and force Thibodeau to go to his
bench and go you know, eight nine deep seven eight deep.
I mean, that's what the Pacers want to do. Put
pressure Brunson, try to you know, get him in foul troubles.
They did before. But these games have been really close
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when you think about it. I mean, it's not one
of those hey they're going to win in five, even
win in six. They've been they've been really close, competitive games.
As for OKAC in Minnesota, not good, especially with being dominated.
This is a game. You got to show up now.
Granted you're not going to win the series, but you can't.
(03:51):
I mean it's early to mail it in when you
get nine points in the first quarter. OKC dominated uh.
And you know that's one of those where you probably
have great leadership from your coach who says, let's just
put him away, right, let's not have any doubt, let's
not give them any opportunity to think that they can
(04:12):
win this. But Anthony Edwards, he was getting a lot
of credit. Now he's going to get a lot of blame.
And here's his head coach, Chris Finch on what Anthony
Edwards learned in this series.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
He's got to learn to play against that physicality and
that type of kind of holding all the time. I
think you know, they made it really hard for him.
I thought for a lot of the series he did
make the right play, and you know, we preached that
to him all the time. Yeah, we need him to
be aggressive, for sure. He's got to find some easier buckets.
(04:46):
I got to help him do that.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
You know.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
I think we were never able to establish something consistent
with him. And that's on us as much as anybody.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Okay, you know, and coach taking a little heat there,
take a little heat off Anthony Edwards. Anthony Edwards has
got to add to his arsenal here, and great players
do that every single year. Great players would add something else.
You know, you have god given ability. That's not enough.
There's a lot of players. John Moran has God given ability.
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But you got to want this. How important is this?
And I don't get caught up in he doesn't want
to be the face of the league. I mean, okay,
I'm fine with that, but be great. You know, if
you want to be up there, be a superstar, because
he does have a lot of those charismatic traits where
you go, lights up the screen, the way he played,
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those are all exciting things. But he didn't do what
SGA did SGA took care of business. He didn't. You know,
there's no style points, there's nothing. He just plays scores.
Team is really really good and that's why they move
on again. But Anthony Edwards. This was a conversation recently,
(06:01):
oh and we've had it on the show with some
of the analysts. Would you take Anthony Edwards or Luca.
I think everybody took Anthony Edwards, and I'm like, Luca
took his team to the NBA finals. I think we
tend to look at Luca and go, yeah, he's out
of shape. I mean, yeah, he's out of shape, but
he still took his team to the NBA Finals. And
(06:22):
I would still take Luca over Anthony Edwards right now
because I've seen it and Anthony Edwards can be that,
but he has to want to be that. You don't
have to be the face of the league, but you
have to want to be great. And I think he's
just part of the all curiosity team where you're like, man,
I don't know how good he's going to be, but
(06:45):
I hope that he doesn't level off because there is
a ton of potential there. Yes, Marvin, but I.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
Don't think it's really against Anthony Edwards more so than
giving the Oklahoma City Thunder credit as far as the
defense that they played on him, because look, two weeks
ago we were like, man, he'd beat Anthony Edwards beat
Joker Lebron during So I can't say he doesn't want
to be great. He just ran up against a team
that he couldn't beat.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Well, I don't mind if you forced the action because
he said, hey, I didn't struggle. You know, they were
playing great defense, and they were. But I mean, how
many great players go up against great defenses. I mean
they're all geared to stop great players. That's what makes
you great when you all of a sudden somehow figure
out a way to get thirty five. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (07:32):
See, that's the one of the differences between a great
player and a very good player. A great player would
figure it out and a very good player, well, he
had a good series up until then, but then he
couldn't figure this out. There's great versus very good.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
And once again I think we the media are doing
our damnedest to do everything but give credit to OKC
in their style of play, because there's nothing interesting about that.
It's not fair to OKAC. They played great defense, best
defensive team in the league. All right, good luck with that.
When you're promoting the OKC Indiana Pacers NBA Finals, tune
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in to watch OKC played defense. You know, even the Pacers.
You know, you still have people. Steven A had something
to say about Tyrese Haliburton not being a superstar like
I okay, I don't know what everybody's definition is. All
I know is Tyrese Halliburton is on the uptick and
perhaps going to the NBA Finals and lived up to
the billing. I'm guessing the Knicks are gearing their defense
(08:34):
to stop Tyrese Haliburton, who has played extremely well.
Speaker 8 (08:38):
Yes, Pauline, and we should love Oklahoma City because all
people do is complain that, oh, the NBA, they don't
play any defense, and all they do is jack threes.
The Thunder lead with defense and their best player, their MVP,
avoids the three. He it's its last resort. He goes
two and this three is his backup option. We should
love it.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I love the styles that that's
what makes a great boxing match when you have contrasting styles,
And that might be what we're headed towards with the
NBA Finals because the Pacers truly do love up up
scale tempo. Yes, Mark, And.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
About five or six years ago people were complaining about
super teams, and now you have these two small market
teams that is playing the right way, sharing the ball,
playing great defense. Oh, nobody wants to watch this? Which
one is it?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I think deep down we want to watch super teams.
We do, you know, in fairness to the casual fan,
you want to tune in and go who's playing? I
don't know who's playing? All Lebron's and d Wade and
Chris Bosher playing and they're going against the Celtics. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (09:44):
See, it does feel like the super team era has
passed though.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yes. Brian Windhors talked about that recently with us when
he said, really the model now is two great players
and then you kind of surround just because the financial
part of this that if you can have two, not three,
but two, and then you build your roster because financially
(10:10):
you can't have three. I mean, if you do, then
you're really limited in the players that you can add.
All right, poll question for hour two Seaton. Do we
have one?
Speaker 7 (10:18):
Yeah, we just got one here from Paul That's interesting.
Which is better nowadays or the old days.
Speaker 9 (10:27):
Blanket statement, Oh gosh, well, I'm gonna go the old days,
you know, gonna opt for the old the good old days.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
That's why they're called the good old days. Yeah, Seeton.
Speaker 7 (10:41):
Which is funny because if you go back to the
good old days when they were nowadays or nowadays, and
you ask that same question, people would say the old
days compared to them too.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, you'll always just.
Speaker 7 (10:53):
Go back to like, ah, and I was way better then.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And it turns out so if I go back to
nineties basketball and then you go, eh, doesn't get any
better than this. I don't know, you know, back back
in the sixties, I remember, yes, todd.
Speaker 10 (11:08):
Are the old days also better? In some ways?
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Because of now we have the oversaturation of games all
over the place. They can watch any time in sports
in general, Well, you'd look forward to that game of
the week or a couple of games a week. I
know it was always seemed to be Celtics and Sixers
and Lakers the same four to sixteenth, But I think
there's something too that also, there's too much of it everywhere.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, it used to be by word of mouth or
you'd read a box score and then I never got
to see Nolan Ryan pitch when he was with the
California Angels, but I would look at that box score
the next day and I'd just be mesmerized. It'd be
nine innings, three hits, eight walks, and fourteen strikeouts and
he would lose two to one. But I never got
(11:47):
to see him. But it was that, and that's what
created Babe Ruth. You didn't get to see him, but
you heard about him, you read about him. Now you
get to see everybody. It's you know, that's the brilliance
of Michael Jordan in the Last Dance, because Jordan wanted
to remind people or open somebody's mind to say, hey,
you might not have seen this, you may have seen
(12:08):
some highlights. I'm going to give you a you know,
entire mini series. Actually it wasn't a mini series, that
was a Maxi series. But he's gonna basically give you
a reminder. I'm gonna open up my scrap book and
remind you of how great I was, because I do
think that there were people who started to lean towards
(12:28):
I don't know, Lebron just won another title in the bubble,
of course, but it felt like, you know, and Michael
had this video, he had the authorization to put out
this documentary series, and then he all of a sudden decided,
you know, around when Lebron is going to win another title.
(12:49):
The timing was was awesome, but it was so Mike.
He was like, yeah, he won another title. Huh. Let
me remind you. Let me remind you of what I
used to do.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
Yes, Paul going back to old school new school Fritzy's rationale,
and I'm not knocking it because a lot of people
agree with it. Things were better when we had less
options and less choices. You know, back in the eighties
and nineties, watching more than two football games a week
was impossible. Watching more than one NBA game a week
was impossible. You couldn't pay for it or access it.
Now we can get anything anywhere as long as we pay,
(13:21):
and it's overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Jason in Phoenix, I Jason, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 11 (13:28):
Hi, guys. I was just wanted to kind of follow
up a little bit with Larry Bird's, like, you know,
short career kind of happened, partly because Isaiah kind of
took over and I know, like his resume won't say it,
but I just feel like Isaiah kind of has almost
i'd say, like the biggest dragging rights in NBA history
when he says he can beat Magic Johnson, Larry Bird,
(13:51):
and Michael Jordan all in the same season, like nobody else,
all these teams are talking about is the greatest. But
Isaiah kind of dominated the league minus a couple of plays.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
A less Lamber comes to the ball in eighty seven,
and then this's not that Phantom Paul. That's not that
Phantom Paul on Kareem in eighty eight. You know, you
could say they kind of dominated the league for almost
four years in a row there, but he never never
gets flowers. But I just want to give him a
little bit today.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I agree. I agree, Isaiah's one of the more overlooked
underrated players in history. If I look at what he did,
he won a national title in college. He just he
played on a team that people didn't like. They were
the bad boys. They beat up Jordan. But you know,
he was great when you needed him to be great.
(14:38):
And even when people talk about point guards, it's obviously
it's magic. And then you'll get a lot of guys
Gary Payton, it talks glowingly about John Stockton, Wilt Chamberlain
was interviewed, and Wilt said that he thought John Stockton
was the most complete player in the game. So you
have and now Steph comes along, like it's ever changing
(15:02):
at that position. But Isaiah was a wonderful player, but
you know, he's not a top ten player. They did
have a great run. I mean, that's the fun part
of all of this. And you're right, you know, they
beat it banged up magic Laker team got by the
Celtics and Michael as well. But yes, Martin, and.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
If Isaiah Thomas doesn't exist, Michael Jordan might have eight rings.
H Okay, it was in the conference finals with eighty
nine and ninety. Yeah, they beat whoever an old Lakers team.
They beat the Portland Trail Blazers, And that whole Gold
conversation is way out of reach, more so than it
already is.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Do you think that there will ever be somebody who
surpasses Michael Jordan, Marvin No, okay.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Just a complete combination of just will, determination, skill, fundamentals, athleticism, everything, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
PAULI, Yeah, it's almos like there's not even a basketball
way to do it, Like you don't you could have
more titles but Jordan's like the I think I said
this years ago, the first man on the moon, you
can never be replaced the first man on the moon, Marketing,
worldwide dominance, all that stuff that Michael has that other
people have co opted over the years. Beyond the basketball court.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Well, that's why Montana was considered the greatest quarterback because
he won four, didn't lose one, didn't even throw an
interception in a Super Bowl. Then all of a sudden,
Brady came along and people tried to treat him sort
of like they have Lebron. Yeah, but you lost those
you know, super Bowls and lost the NBA Finals, And
I say, no, you're looking at the wrong way. Acknowledge
(16:41):
that they got their teams to the championship game. Because
you could knock Michael that he only went to six
championship games now never went to a game seven. He
won them all. That's that's obvious. But I do credit
you know, the consistency that you had with Lebron and
certainly with Brady. Look at Brady and say he's the
(17:01):
best quarterback of all time. Lebron has had a similar
career longevity wise, winning and one more MVPs than him.
But you know, Tom wore one more Super Bowl, so
kind of interesting how we look at Brady's career as
opposed to Lebron's. All right, we'll take a break. Tim
(17:21):
Legler from the Mothership will join us and we'll get
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Hi Steve, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 14 (18:51):
Hey mister Patrick, congratulations on the birth of your grandchild.
And I just wanted to rewind a little bit to
Caleb Williams quote from his father about you know where
quarterbacks go to die, And it seems to me like
there's quite a few teams out there that might have
not had the draft pick opportunities that the Bears had.
(19:11):
But you kind of revisit places like the Steelers after Roethlisberger,
the Indianapolis Colt ever since Andrew Luck, the Dolphins, a
lot of midpack teams where quarterbacks you know, don't succeed
and basically die and move on. Other than the fact
(19:31):
that maybe the Tampa Bay Buccaneers of cash in on
a couple that you know, kind of revived their careers
there too. But as far as the Bears go, I
understand what he was talking about. But you get a
franchise quarterback, you know, you got to build around him,
like you said, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
But you know how many of these quarterbacks who left
those teams went on to do something with other teams.
They just weren't the right pick.
Speaker 15 (19:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Kenny Pickett, I don't know if he can play in Cleveland,
but he's the first John Draft pick. The Steelers great organization.
But have they drafted well with that position in the
answer is they haven't, and Chicago hasn't either. But it's
not like Mitchell Trubisky went on to be in All
Pro some other plays. He played on a decent Bears
team and was a Pro Bowl alternate a couple of times.
(20:18):
Right back to basketball, Tim Legler, ESPN, NBA analyst and
covering the Western Conference Finals there with Scott Van Pelt.
He'll be covering the NBA Finals as well, that airs
exclusively on ABC starting Thursday, June fifth. Do you want
in on our Larry Bird topic that I mentioned to
Stephen Jackson yesterday? I said, are you prepared for a
(20:42):
day when Larry Bird drops out of the top ten
players of all time? Could you see a scenario in
your lifetime where Larry Bird is not considered a top
ten player of all time?
Speaker 16 (20:53):
I can see in terms of general consensus, I might
not be the best person to ask on this topic
because he's not only my favorite athlete of all time,
he's also that I personally credit him for changing the
course of my life, to be perfectly honest with you,
because I was on a baseball track until that dude
came into the league, and I had never really played
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organized basketball before, and he personally made me want to
start playing basketball along with a growth spurt at the time,
so I legitimately am not overstating it. He changed what
I wanted to do and how much I fell in
love with the game during that time. Because I went
into high school at exactly the time he came into
the NBA.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
So just seeing him play basketball gave you hope that
you could play basketball at a high level.
Speaker 16 (21:42):
I think, yeah, I mean, you know, even at that time,
was I think I could play in the NBA one day.
I mean, I wanted to be a pro athlete. I
thought I was going to be a professional baseball player.
So did my father.
Speaker 15 (21:52):
That was like the goal. But it wasn't just like that.
He gave me hope that I could be an NBA player.
Speaker 16 (21:57):
It was his style of play, their style of play
as a team. I admired the Lakers too for the
way they played, so it was kind of weird. My
two favorite players were rivals. Magic Johnson Larry Bird were
my two favorite players, and they were the two guys
that were trying to beat each other every year.
Speaker 15 (22:15):
It felt like.
Speaker 16 (22:16):
So I did just his flair, his confidence, his passing ability,
the way that team passed the ball. That made me
really think, that's the beauty of basketball when it's played
the right way.
Speaker 15 (22:29):
It looks like that.
Speaker 16 (22:30):
And that's why I started to fall in love with it,
became obsessed with it, and the rest is kind of history.
Like what I did with end up doing with my life.
You're talking about forty five years now. Basketball has been
the center of my life, everything I've built.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Did you ever think Larry Bird in person?
Speaker 16 (22:48):
I never thanked him in person. I did have one
very cool moment with him. He won't remember it, but
of course I'm not going to forget it. It was
shooting around preseason game. I never really caught Larry Bird
as a player because he was finishing up, he had
back problems, he was about to retire. And I was
on the court alone, just he and I opposite ends
(23:09):
of the floor, shooting before a preseason game. I think
it was in Hartford, Connecticut. If I am not mistaken,
and I'm like, that's Larry Bird down, then we're only
two out there because he went out early. I used
to go out early. We're out there shooting. At one point,
I kind of drifted to the other end, so we
were shooting on the same end of the court, just
us and some ball boys, and uh we shot for
(23:32):
a while and I was, you know, I was making them.
He was making over both good shooters. And then he
finished and he walked past me. And as he was
walking past me to go to the tunnel to leave
the court, he just without even looking at me or
changing the direction of his head. He just said nice shooting,
and he just kept walking and then validated my life.
Speaker 15 (23:49):
That was all I needed to hear.
Speaker 16 (23:51):
I probably should have just quit right then and just like, hey,
that's all I needed.
Speaker 15 (23:54):
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Watching, Okay, see with shake gildgos Alley. He he's a
great player of the MVP, but like, how would you
describe his style if somebody didn't see him play, because
he doesn't play like the typical very good, great NBA player.
Speaker 15 (24:16):
I'd listen.
Speaker 16 (24:16):
I think the thing that separates him dan is I
personally have never seen a guard, or only any player.
Speaker 15 (24:24):
In this league.
Speaker 16 (24:24):
Maybe Dirk would be a guy that operated that area
of the floor, but he wasn't really doing it as
much off the dribble as he was just with his
length and his shooting. No guard has ever literally dominated
that area of the floor. Basically, if you drew a
line on the baseline straight up each side of the
lane all the way to half court, so like an
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area of the width of the lane extending from the
baseline to half court, and that's the area of the
floor that he wants operating, and that's where the most
traffic is on the floor, and yet that's where he
always tries to get back to. Now, he obviously can
make shots going you know, to the right wing, left wing,
wherever he has to if he gets pushed that way
for that mid range shot, But his favorite place on
(25:08):
the court is the area that's got the most traffic
for a guy his size, For a guard to shoot
the ball the areas he does with that level of efficiency,
We've really never seen anything quite like that. He's just
an absolute raw scoring machine. And the more you talk
to guys around the league, are that are great defenders.
Speaker 15 (25:29):
The answer of who's the toughest.
Speaker 16 (25:30):
Guy you've had to guard or have to guard currently,
his name typically is the first one that's going to
roll off people's tongues.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, and you know, you start to get to that
Jordan comparisons of scoring. Now, I'm not talking how Mike scored,
but the Mike won how many scoring titles like it
was a foregone conclusion and I don't see any reason
why SGA shouldn't be able to continue to be that
thirty plus point scorer for quite some time. But I
(26:00):
did want to ask you about if you were going
to talk to Anthony Edwards. What would you tell him
he has to do improve upon?
Speaker 16 (26:10):
Well, I think one of the things I think, first
of all this has nothing to do with him, is
let me start with this. They need to address their
lead guard position. I love Mike Conley. Mike Conley's been
one of my favorite players in the NBA his entire career.
Speaker 15 (26:26):
Just a huge fan of his.
Speaker 16 (26:27):
He's a leader, he's tough, he's great in Memphis, but
he's at the stage of his career he's not going
to generate any additional offense for people, and I think
some of that needs to be taken off the plate
of Anthony Edwards. Let's start with that, because that will
lead into the point of your question. I think Anthony
Edwards needs to understand that there can't be moments of
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games where he feels his way out he feels the game.
Speaker 15 (26:55):
That's not what he needs to do.
Speaker 16 (26:57):
He needs to come out and have a Jordan like approach,
a Kobe like approach. I think he's got the athletic ability,
the explosiveness, the all around scoring game to do it.
I think because so much of the other responsibility of
being a playmaker has been put on his plate, he
morphs between the two and that's not who he is
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at his core. So part of it's on the team.
They've got to address that. And if they can find that,
then Anthony Edwards could just go be what you need
to be, which is a just an absolute tenacious, attacking,
relentless scorer. And that doesn't mean you know, you have
to shoot the ball every time down the floor, but
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it means everything is about putting pressure on the defense.
Speaker 15 (27:43):
Look to bring Jordan again in reference of that.
Speaker 16 (27:45):
I go to Jordan a number of times in my
career and just watching him throughout his career, he's the
only guy I ever saw that.
Speaker 15 (27:51):
Every single time he caught it, it was go time.
Speaker 16 (27:54):
Every time he touched the ball, he wanted to go
on you and Anthony Edwards, I think because he doesn't
have that taken off of his plate to go create
offense all these guys And I'm not saying you're not
going to ge assisted organically, that'll call by being aggressive,
but I think he sometimes goes to these periods of
time where he's like, Okay, let me try to get
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other guys involved or feel my way around the court,
and that's just not to me.
Speaker 15 (28:20):
Who he is and who he needs to be at.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
His best talking to Tim Legler of The Mothership covering
the NBA Finals, also his podcast, All City NBA Podcast.
What do people learn when they go to that podcast?
Speaker 16 (28:34):
I just think Dan, I think it's a little bit
different than a lot of what's out there. It's not
a hot take thing. Adam Morez is my partner and
hosts the show. He's based in Denver and he is
heavily tied into the Nuggets, but he covers all sports
in Denver. But we're just a serious hoop talk four
times a week, an hour an hour at a time.
We're breaking down the games that happened last night, previewing
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the games.
Speaker 15 (28:56):
From tonight, and it's just real basketball analysis. We're a
hoop junkie. Just like talking about the game of what
you watched last.
Speaker 16 (29:02):
Night, you want to learn more about it a little
bit smarter when you watch the game tonight. That's that's
what that is. It's not hot take trying to get clicks.
We're just two guys breaking down the game because we
love hoops.
Speaker 15 (29:13):
So that's if that's your thing, that's the place you
want to go.
Speaker 16 (29:16):
Because I think it's it's done about as high a
level as it can be done.
Speaker 15 (29:19):
Because Adam is so knowledgeable himself.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Why is Michael Jordan joining TV NBC in their coverage
of the NBA.
Speaker 15 (29:28):
That's a good question. Who knows. I don't know what
they offered him. Has that been has that been reported?
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Maybe that let's say they gave him a Tom Brady deal.
Let's say they gave him thirty million, thirty five, Like,
what does that matter to Jordan? Like, you know, he's
a billion A couple of times over.
Speaker 15 (29:44):
I completely agree with you. I was making really a
joke about that. But I don't know. I don't really
know why he would want to. It's like, it's not
high stress. Let's start with that.
Speaker 16 (29:55):
You're not asking him to go run a team or.
Speaker 15 (29:58):
Coach a team. It's not I stress what we do.
Speaker 16 (30:02):
I mean, he's got to be careful with your words
sometimes because you could end your career if you're not careful.
That's about the highest stress you have. It's just sitting
down and talking about basketball. So I think from that standpoint,
maybe he wants to feel a little bit more connected
to the game now that he's not, you know, involved
with ownership and it's just a different life for him.
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Who knows, maybe he just misses his connection to the game,
and it's a way to stay relevant and a way
to just impart some knowledge about the way he views things,
because we've never really heard from him in this regard,
so I'm going to be very interested to hear what
he has to say. I have no doubt he's going
to be highly critical at all point when.
Speaker 15 (30:42):
He needs to be.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
How big a month is Tyrese Haliburton head?
Speaker 16 (30:48):
Look, I said the other night that I looked it
up because I wasn't sure. Do you know what Dan,
off the top of your head with the perfect QBR
rating is for a quarterback?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
It's what one fifty eight point three?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Bang?
Speaker 16 (31:04):
Good job, that's excellent. Yes, I didn't know that. I'm
a huge NFL fame. I know the exact number. I
looked it up. That's what Tire's Halliburton pitched on Tuesday.
I mean, that's what he threw on Tuesday. He played
the position perfectly. If you really want to find a
teaching tape for how to play point guard in the
NBA at the highest level, that was Tuesday night. Thirty
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plus points, fifteen assists, zero turnovers, double digit rebounds, four steals,
and constant tempo, constant tempo. He put a lot on himself.
And the previous game they lost, they bogged down in
the fourth quarter. I allowed the Knicks to win that
game and get it to two to one and made
it a series. And he put it on himself, and
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he answered the bell, and it started from the very
first possession. Compared him to a Formula One car or
a driver and had his foot taped with the gas
pedal down.
Speaker 15 (31:59):
To the floor.
Speaker 16 (32:00):
He didn't tap the brakes once and as a result,
Indiana played to their identity.
Speaker 15 (32:05):
So this guy has now had It's not just.
Speaker 16 (32:08):
A month, man, it's a been about three or four months.
Very little to scrutinize. And I thought the first half
of the season he's a little bit up and down.
I actually described him one time, maybe back in November,
as his floor being too low to be considered a superstar.
Meeting on those nights when he's quiet or passive or
doesn't impact the game.
Speaker 15 (32:27):
You can't have like a six point night.
Speaker 16 (32:30):
You can't have one of those games where you just
kind of aren't noticed, not if you're on that level
and over the last three months or so, plus whatever
the playoffs had been to this point, you know, two
plus rounds.
Speaker 15 (32:41):
He has been that every single night.
Speaker 16 (32:43):
So he's elevated his status because of his consistency with
which he is doing it.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Do you realize Jason Kidd had a quadruple double and
so points, rebounds, assist and turnovers.
Speaker 15 (33:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I think he's had the most turnovers in a game
in NBA history. I think what fifteen?
Speaker 15 (33:08):
It's listen, it's incredible.
Speaker 16 (33:10):
I mean Tyres Haliburton led the NBA for starting point
guards for guys that played a lot of minutes in
assist the turnover ratio. Okay, it was over five a game.
He's over seven a game in this series. He's got
forty four assists, six turnovers against a team that's got
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guys that are trying to disrupt him. Now, and we'll
say this the one thing the Knicks don't have, and
this is if Indiana wins this series, he certainly.
Speaker 15 (33:38):
Is going to get something different from Okac.
Speaker 16 (33:40):
They the Knicks don't have the personnel to jam him
up in the back court. Mcal Bridges is a really
good defender. He's really long, he's great. If you give
him an isolation wing player to guard them, and that's
trying to take him off the dribble. When you're talking
about a point guard with that kind of lateral, I
mean straight ahead speed, that's mckail. Bridges can't do that,
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So he's picking him up in half court or even
further back on his own defensive end. Now Tyres Aliburton
has a had a steam. They're not jamming him up
in the back court on the outlet passes to stop
his momentum.
Speaker 15 (34:13):
They can't do it.
Speaker 16 (34:13):
Anonobi's too big and thick like to move like that.
Brunson can't do it. So Josh Hart's probably the most
likely guy. If you just say, hey, man, just go
guard this guy in the back court, don't let him
get the outlet pass, and turn him a few times
up to.
Speaker 15 (34:28):
Court, he would be the most likely.
Speaker 16 (34:29):
But he's not even on the level of four different
guys that Okac has, So that's been a big problem
for the Knicks. Tyres Haliburton is able to get moving
down the runway and now it's too late to contain him,
and that's why you're seeing what he's doing to them
and just completely picking them apart.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Good to talk to your legs, have fun with the finals.
Thanks for joining.
Speaker 15 (34:52):
Us anytime, Dan, you got it.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
That's Tim Legler, former three point shooting contest winner and
covering the Stern Conference finals in sight casts presented by
YouTube TV. And there was Scott Van Pelt every night
after those games, and he'll be covering the NBA Finals. Yes, Paul, I.
Speaker 8 (35:10):
Got to tell you that Larry Bird's story by Legler
was a all timer.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Just a good shooting. That's it.
Speaker 8 (35:16):
That's the greatest compliment you could get.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
But just the fact that Larry's not going to have
small talk there. I don't need to shooters shooting and hey, hey,
my shooting. Then he walks off the floor. We'll take
a break. Who was it who had the great quote?
I forget who covered the Cowboys and they talked about
one of the greatest days that they ever had, and
(35:40):
the guys, gosh, I wish I knew the reporter's name,
columns name, but he said, oh, one of the greatest days.
Let's say his name is John Well, one of the
greatest days of my life. Tom Landry called me out
by my name. They called me Tom, not my actual name, John.
But it's one of the great days of my life.
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So take a break back after this.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
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Speaker 2 (36:15):
We've talked a lot about Larry Bird today was on
this day, nineteen eighty Larry Bird beats out Magic Johnson
for the NBA Rookie of the Year. David in Ohio, Hi, David,
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 14 (36:29):
Hey Dan, congrats on being grandfather again.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I had a question for you.
Speaker 14 (36:34):
As you know, missus David in Ohio is expecting, and
I didn't know.
Speaker 15 (36:38):
I was hoping I could get some.
Speaker 16 (36:42):
I was hoping that you could give me a good
name for either a boy or girl.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
We don't know the gender yet, Daniel Patrick Junior.
Speaker 15 (36:48):
The third has been.
Speaker 16 (36:49):
Vetoed, so but maybe I could get that from you
if you had any name suggessions.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Okay, David, what's your last name?
Speaker 15 (37:00):
Dick?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
What like thera shist like the raiser Shick? Dave David Schick?
All right, all right, Paulie, you got a name boy
or girl for David Shick.
Speaker 8 (37:14):
I would tell him what not to do. Don't name
your kid Rick Shick never recover.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Okay, Todd, you got one?
Speaker 10 (37:21):
How about Sean Sean Shick?
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Okay, we're not big on alliteration. Marvin, you got one?
Or Seaton got one? That? Uh?
Speaker 6 (37:33):
Michael Michael safe sounds nice and clean.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Michael Schick, Mike Schick, Mike Shick's a little too fast?
Is a little too fast? Yes, you need to have
that pause in there, Michael Chick, Seaton got one?
Speaker 7 (37:50):
Mm hm, Shick is interesting. I go with a family name.
What's your dad's name, what's your grandpa's name?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Joe Joe Joe Shick. What's wrong with that name? Sorry,
Joseph Schick.
Speaker 7 (38:07):
He's running for assemblymen. If I'm not mistaken, Joe Shick
wasn't either. Former sheriff now he's going into Yeah, they're
dying on the side of the road.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yeah, Sheriff Shick. Yeah, Joseph Sheriff. Good good luck with that, David, Yes.
Speaker 10 (38:22):
How about Gillette? Just embrace it completely, just go all
two razor names.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Or like big SHICKI yeah, I think you could have
good luck, David. Good luck. It's always tricky with names,
you know, and and you know, my mother in law
didn't matter. There was always somebody whatever name you picked
out that she had. You know this this one died
in a tragic accident, or this one had a mole
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on her note like, it was just all of these things,
no matter what. So we stopped telling her when we
were naming our kids, Yes, Marvin, and.
Speaker 6 (38:57):
When you're having a baby, don't try to get too crave.
Because me and my wife we thought about, you know what,
we don't want people to make fun of our son,
you know, or mispronouncing his name when you have a
long name or something crazy, like the teacher in school,
I'm gonna try to pronounce this right, Yes that's me, yes,
or yes that's me.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
I think we've all been in a classroom where you
have that teacher getting ready to pronounce somebody's name and
you go, oh, this is not gonna end. Well, it's
not gonna end well. I had a few of those
in my high school class where this isn't gonna end.
Speaker 15 (39:31):
Well.
Speaker 7 (39:32):
Yes, my son goes to school with a bunch of
kids that are from overseas, and a lot of them
have very tricky names to pronounce, but then also have
an Americanized name, so it'll be like, oh, this is
like Kohey, so and so or whatever, but we all
call him Patrick.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Of course. Yeah, of course that's the name that that
you would have. It gets usually it's a derivation of something,
but sometimes it's like, wait a minute, your name is
that they call you Tom? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
known American? Yeah, everybody calls him Ben Yeah. But he's
from you know, yeah, Paul.
Speaker 8 (40:05):
Remember that running back from Michigan. Tim Bia his first
name was actually like Tishamonga Biacapatuca, but he went by
Tim Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Uh, Andy and Rhode Island. We'll sneak you in here,
Hey Andy, Andy by Andy. Uh. We'll have a new
poll question coming up top of the hour. David Spade.
He's got a new stand up special ink a podcast
as well. Pacers at the Knicks and at Nicks are
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favored by four in this game the pressure the celebrities?
Do the celebrities not show up tonight because they apparently
put too much pressure on the Knicks. But then the
celebrities went to Indiana? Should they have gone to Indiana
to put more pressure on the Knicks? Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 8 (40:58):
If you were a big time celebrity in New York
and you were offered row three, do you not go
because it's like a stamp. Let's see, you're a big
time but they only have row three left.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Okay, well if it depends on if I care about
how people are going to view the fact that I'm
in the third row. You want to get in the building,
you want to be part of it, great, you want
to be seen while you're in the building, then that's different.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
Yes, Tod, just say you decided the last minute to
go to the game and that's what was left.
Speaker 10 (41:28):
It's not because you were the third row B level celebrity.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
But you might have to keep explaining that to people.
That's right. I would normally be in the game.
Speaker 15 (41:37):
It's all good.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah, yeah, it's just temporary.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's our one hour two now on Thursday, Dan and
the Dan n'ce Dan Patrick Show. Glad to have you
on board, ready to go. Tim Legler of the Mothership
will join us coming up a little bit. Speaking of
hour one. At the end of our one we stumbled
upon something. One of the callers thought that I was
disparaging Larry Bird as a top ten player of all time.
(00:25):
I think that Larry and Magic should be, you know,
linked together forever. That you should have eleven players in
the top ten and that would be Larry and Magic
or together wherever you place them, if they're sixth or
seventh or eighth or ninth or tenth, that they're together.
But I'm not disparaging Larry's career at all. And I
have watched those videos that are on YouTube, and I
(00:48):
would encourage people who didn't believe it, don't believe it,
to at least, you know, take a look at what
Larry was able to do, you know, and it wasn't
for a long period of time because of his back injury.
But I would hope to have Magic and Larry intertwined
for the rest of their careers, but you have to
be fair to a new generation. Does Joker get into
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the top ten at some point, Let's say there's another MVP.
Let's say there's two more MVPs. Now you got five.
Now all of a sudden, you're you know, you're approaching
Michael Jordan territory. Just to be fair, if Steph Curry
would win a championship, okay, does that change anything? And
we tend to look at this list, and you know,
(01:31):
everybody puts Bill Russell in there, the ultimate team winner,
but Wilt Chamberlain, who was Babe Ruth. Sometimes people forget
just how great he was.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
He is.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Tim Duncan a top ten player, Karl Malone won a
couple MVPs but didn't win a title. Is he in there?
Shaq Kobe? I mean, run down the list of great players.
But in no way do I disparage or think that
Larry is not a top ten player. Because if you
said I could have Lebron or Larry at the peak
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of their career, I'm taking Larry, you know, And I
got to cover both of these careers. So you know,
I love the sport, appreciate the sport, the history of
the sport. I want to be fair to those who
came before and those who are going to come after.
And so if there was any misconception with that, because
I brought it up with Steven Jackson that you know,
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are you prepared? Larry Bird falls out of the top ten.
And as blasphemous as that might sound, I'm just trying
to be a realist with this, all right. Eight seven
seven three DP show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com, Twitter
handle at DP show. Good morning if you're watching on Peacock,
Thank you for downloading the app. Also talk to the
comedian David Spade. He's got a new stand up special.
(02:45):
He'll join us coming up a little bit later. On
Pacers Nix, Nicks are favored by four in game five.
If you're the Pacers, can you continue to do what
you're doing? And what they what they want to do
is you know, I mean in contrasting styles, The Knicks,
you know, want to be a half court team. The
Pacers want to run. You can you run? Well? It
(03:07):
helps if you rebound and that sometimes overlooked. If they
can run them and force Thibodeau to go to his
bench and go you know, eight nine deep seven eight deep.
I mean, that's what the Pacers want to do. Put
pressure Brunson, try to you know, get him in foul troubles.
They did before. But these games have been really close
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when you think about it. I mean, it's not one
of those hey they're going to win in five, even
win in six. They've been they've been really close, competitive games.
As for OKAC in Minnesota, not good, especially with being dominated.
This is a game. You got to show up now.
Granted you're not going to win the series, but you can't.
(03:51):
I mean it's early to mail it in when you
get nine points in the first quarter. OKC dominated uh.
And you know that's one of those where you probably
have great leadership from your coach who says, let's just
put him away, right, let's not have any doubt, let's
not give them any opportunity to think that they can
(04:12):
win this. But Anthony Edwards, he was getting a lot
of credit. Now he's going to get a lot of blame.
And here's his head coach, Chris Finch on what Anthony
Edwards learned in this series.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
He's got to learn to play against that physicality and
that type of kind of holding all the time. I
think you know, they made it really hard for him.
I thought for a lot of the series he did
make the right play, and you know, we preached that
to him all the time. Yeah, we need him to
be aggressive, for sure. He's got to find some easier buckets.
(04:46):
I got to help him do that.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
You know.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
I think we were never able to establish something consistent
with him. And that's on us as much as anybody.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Okay, you know, and coach taking a little heat there,
take a little heat off Anthony Edwards. Anthony Edwards has
got to add to his arsenal here, and great players
do that every single year. Great players would add something else.
You know, you have god given ability. That's not enough.
There's a lot of players. John Moran has God given ability.
(05:17):
But you got to want this. How important is this?
And I don't get caught up in he doesn't want
to be the face of the league. I mean, okay,
I'm fine with that, but be great. You know, if
you want to be up there, be a superstar, because
he does have a lot of those charismatic traits where
you go, lights up the screen, the way he played,
(05:38):
those are all exciting things. But he didn't do what
SGA did SGA took care of business. He didn't. You know,
there's no style points, there's nothing. He just plays scores.
Team is really really good and that's why they move
on again. But Anthony Edwards. This was a conversation recently,
(06:01):
oh and we've had it on the show with some
of the analysts. Would you take Anthony Edwards or Luca.
I think everybody took Anthony Edwards, and I'm like, Luca
took his team to the NBA finals. I think we
tend to look at Luca and go, yeah, he's out
of shape. I mean, yeah, he's out of shape, but
he still took his team to the NBA Finals. And
(06:22):
I would still take Luca over Anthony Edwards right now
because I've seen it and Anthony Edwards can be that,
but he has to want to be that. You don't
have to be the face of the league, but you
have to want to be great. And I think he's
just part of the all curiosity team where you're like, man,
I don't know how good he's going to be, but
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I hope that he doesn't level off because there is
a ton of potential there. Yes, Marvin, but I.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
Don't think it's really against Anthony Edwards more so than
giving the Oklahoma City Thunder credit as far as the
defense that they played on him, because look, two weeks
ago we were like, man, he'd beat Anthony Edwards beat
Joker Lebron during So I can't say he doesn't want
to be great. He just ran up against a team
that he couldn't beat.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Well, I don't mind if you forced the action because
he said, hey, I didn't struggle. You know, they were
playing great defense, and they were. But I mean, how
many great players go up against great defenses. I mean
they're all geared to stop great players. That's what makes
you great when you all of a sudden somehow figure
out a way to get thirty five. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (07:32):
See, that's the one of the differences between a great
player and a very good player. A great player would
figure it out and a very good player, well, he
had a good series up until then, but then he
couldn't figure this out. There's great versus very good.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
And once again I think we the media are doing
our damnedest to do everything but give credit to OKC
in their style of play, because there's nothing interesting about that.
It's not fair to OKAC. They played great defense, best
defensive team in the league. All right, good luck with that.
When you're promoting the OKC Indiana Pacers NBA Finals, tune
(08:11):
in to watch OKC played defense. You know, even the Pacers.
You know, you still have people. Steven A had something
to say about Tyrese Haliburton not being a superstar like
I okay, I don't know what everybody's definition is. All
I know is Tyrese Halliburton is on the uptick and
perhaps going to the NBA Finals and lived up to
the billing. I'm guessing the Knicks are gearing their defense
(08:34):
to stop Tyrese Haliburton, who has played extremely well.
Speaker 8 (08:38):
Yes, Pauline, and we should love Oklahoma City because all
people do is complain that, oh, the NBA, they don't
play any defense, and all they do is jack threes.
The Thunder lead with defense and their best player, their MVP,
avoids the three. He it's its last resort. He goes
two and this three is his backup option. We should
love it.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I love the styles that that's
what makes a great boxing match when you have contrasting styles,
And that might be what we're headed towards with the
NBA Finals because the Pacers truly do love up up
scale tempo. Yes, Mark, And.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
About five or six years ago people were complaining about
super teams, and now you have these two small market
teams that is playing the right way, sharing the ball,
playing great defense. Oh, nobody wants to watch this? Which
one is it?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I think deep down we want to watch super teams.
We do, you know, in fairness to the casual fan,
you want to tune in and go who's playing? I
don't know who's playing? All Lebron's and d Wade and
Chris Bosher playing and they're going against the Celtics. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (09:44):
See, it does feel like the super team era has
passed though.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yes. Brian Windhors talked about that recently with us when
he said, really the model now is two great players
and then you kind of surround just because the financial
part of this that if you can have two, not three,
but two, and then you build your roster because financially
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you can't have three. I mean, if you do, then
you're really limited in the players that you can add.
All right, poll question for hour two Seaton. Do we
have one?
Speaker 7 (10:18):
Yeah, we just got one here from Paul That's interesting.
Which is better nowadays or the old days.
Speaker 9 (10:27):
Blanket statement, Oh gosh, well, I'm gonna go the old days,
you know, gonna opt for the old the good old days.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
That's why they're called the good old days. Yeah, Seeton.
Speaker 7 (10:41):
Which is funny because if you go back to the
good old days when they were nowadays or nowadays, and
you ask that same question, people would say the old
days compared to them too.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, you'll always just.
Speaker 7 (10:53):
Go back to like, ah, and I was way better then.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And it turns out so if I go back to
nineties basketball and then you go, eh, doesn't get any
better than this. I don't know, you know, back back
in the sixties, I remember, yes, todd.
Speaker 10 (11:08):
Are the old days also better? In some ways?
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Because of now we have the oversaturation of games all
over the place. They can watch any time in sports
in general, Well, you'd look forward to that game of
the week or a couple of games a week. I
know it was always seemed to be Celtics and Sixers
and Lakers the same four to sixteenth, But I think
there's something too that also, there's too much of it everywhere.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, it used to be by word of mouth or
you'd read a box score and then I never got
to see Nolan Ryan pitch when he was with the
California Angels, but I would look at that box score
the next day and I'd just be mesmerized. It'd be
nine innings, three hits, eight walks, and fourteen strikeouts and
he would lose two to one. But I never got
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to see him. But it was that, and that's what
created Babe Ruth. You didn't get to see him, but
you heard about him, you read about him. Now you
get to see everybody. It's you know, that's the brilliance
of Michael Jordan in the Last Dance, because Jordan wanted
to remind people or open somebody's mind to say, hey,
you might not have seen this, you may have seen
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some highlights. I'm going to give you a you know,
entire mini series. Actually it wasn't a mini series, that
was a Maxi series. But he's gonna basically give you
a reminder. I'm gonna open up my scrap book and
remind you of how great I was, because I do
think that there were people who started to lean towards
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I don't know, Lebron just won another title in the bubble,
of course, but it felt like, you know, and Michael
had this video, he had the authorization to put out
this documentary series, and then he all of a sudden decided,
you know, around when Lebron is going to win another title.
(12:49):
The timing was was awesome, but it was so Mike.
He was like, yeah, he won another title. Huh. Let
me remind you. Let me remind you of what I
used to do.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
Yes, Paul going back to old school new school Fritzy's rationale,
and I'm not knocking it because a lot of people
agree with it. Things were better when we had less
options and less choices. You know, back in the eighties
and nineties, watching more than two football games a week
was impossible. Watching more than one NBA game a week
was impossible. You couldn't pay for it or access it.
Now we can get anything anywhere as long as we pay,
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and it's overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Jason in Phoenix, I Jason, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 11 (13:28):
Hi, guys. I was just wanted to kind of follow
up a little bit with Larry Bird's, like, you know,
short career kind of happened, partly because Isaiah kind of
took over and I know, like his resume won't say it,
but I just feel like Isaiah kind of has almost
i'd say, like the biggest dragging rights in NBA history
when he says he can beat Magic Johnson, Larry Bird,
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and Michael Jordan all in the same season, like nobody else,
all these teams are talking about is the greatest. But
Isaiah kind of dominated the league minus a couple of plays.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
A less Lamber comes to the ball in eighty seven,
and then this's not that Phantom Paul. That's not that
Phantom Paul on Kareem in eighty eight. You know, you
could say they kind of dominated the league for almost
four years in a row there, but he never never
gets flowers. But I just want to give him a
little bit today.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I agree. I agree, Isaiah's one of the more overlooked
underrated players in history. If I look at what he did,
he won a national title in college. He just he
played on a team that people didn't like. They were
the bad boys. They beat up Jordan. But you know,
he was great when you needed him to be great.
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And even when people talk about point guards, it's obviously
it's magic. And then you'll get a lot of guys
Gary Payton, it talks glowingly about John Stockton, Wilt Chamberlain
was interviewed, and Wilt said that he thought John Stockton
was the most complete player in the game. So you
have and now Steph comes along, like it's ever changing
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at that position. But Isaiah was a wonderful player, but
you know, he's not a top ten player. They did
have a great run. I mean, that's the fun part
of all of this. And you're right, you know, they
beat it banged up magic Laker team got by the
Celtics and Michael as well. But yes, Martin, and.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
If Isaiah Thomas doesn't exist, Michael Jordan might have eight rings.
H Okay, it was in the conference finals with eighty
nine and ninety. Yeah, they beat whoever an old Lakers team.
They beat the Portland Trail Blazers, And that whole Gold
conversation is way out of reach, more so than it
already is.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Do you think that there will ever be somebody who
surpasses Michael Jordan, Marvin No, okay.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Just a complete combination of just will, determination, skill, fundamentals, athleticism, everything, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
PAULI, Yeah, it's almos like there's not even a basketball
way to do it, Like you don't you could have
more titles but Jordan's like the I think I said
this years ago, the first man on the moon, you
can never be replaced the first man on the moon, Marketing,
worldwide dominance, all that stuff that Michael has that other
people have co opted over the years. Beyond the basketball court.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Well, that's why Montana was considered the greatest quarterback because
he won four, didn't lose one, didn't even throw an
interception in a Super Bowl. Then all of a sudden,
Brady came along and people tried to treat him sort
of like they have Lebron. Yeah, but you lost those
you know, super Bowls and lost the NBA Finals, And
I say, no, you're looking at the wrong way. Acknowledge
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that they got their teams to the championship game. Because
you could knock Michael that he only went to six
championship games now never went to a game seven. He
won them all. That's that's obvious. But I do credit
you know, the consistency that you had with Lebron and
certainly with Brady. Look at Brady and say he's the
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best quarterback of all time. Lebron has had a similar
career longevity wise, winning and one more MVPs than him.
But you know, Tom wore one more Super Bowl, so
kind of interesting how we look at Brady's career as
opposed to Lebron's. All right, we'll take a break. Tim
(17:21):
Legler from the Mothership will join us and we'll get
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We'll talk to Tim Legler of the mother Ship and
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Hi Steve, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 14 (18:51):
Hey mister Patrick, congratulations on the birth of your grandchild.
And I just wanted to rewind a little bit to
Caleb Williams quote from his father about you know where
quarterbacks go to die, And it seems to me like
there's quite a few teams out there that might have
not had the draft pick opportunities that the Bears had.
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But you kind of revisit places like the Steelers after Roethlisberger,
the Indianapolis Colt ever since Andrew Luck, the Dolphins, a
lot of midpack teams where quarterbacks you know, don't succeed
and basically die and move on. Other than the fact
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that maybe the Tampa Bay Buccaneers of cash in on
a couple that you know, kind of revived their careers
there too. But as far as the Bears go, I
understand what he was talking about. But you get a
franchise quarterback, you know, you got to build around him,
like you said, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
But you know how many of these quarterbacks who left
those teams went on to do something with other teams.
They just weren't the right pick.
Speaker 15 (19:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Kenny Pickett, I don't know if he can play in Cleveland,
but he's the first John Draft pick. The Steelers great organization.
But have they drafted well with that position in the
answer is they haven't, and Chicago hasn't either. But it's
not like Mitchell Trubisky went on to be in All
Pro some other plays. He played on a decent Bears
team and was a Pro Bowl alternate a couple of times.
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Right back to basketball, Tim Legler, ESPN, NBA analyst and
covering the Western Conference Finals there with Scott Van Pelt.
He'll be covering the NBA Finals as well, that airs
exclusively on ABC starting Thursday, June fifth. Do you want
in on our Larry Bird topic that I mentioned to
Stephen Jackson yesterday? I said, are you prepared for a
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day when Larry Bird drops out of the top ten
players of all time? Could you see a scenario in
your lifetime where Larry Bird is not considered a top
ten player of all time?
Speaker 16 (20:53):
I can see in terms of general consensus, I might
not be the best person to ask on this topic
because he's not only my favorite athlete of all time,
he's also that I personally credit him for changing the
course of my life, to be perfectly honest with you,
because I was on a baseball track until that dude
came into the league, and I had never really played
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organized basketball before, and he personally made me want to
start playing basketball along with a growth spurt at the time,
so I legitimately am not overstating it. He changed what
I wanted to do and how much I fell in
love with the game during that time. Because I went
into high school at exactly the time he came into
the NBA.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
So just seeing him play basketball gave you hope that
you could play basketball at a high level.
Speaker 16 (21:42):
I think, yeah, I mean, you know, even at that time,
was I think I could play in the NBA one day.
I mean, I wanted to be a pro athlete. I
thought I was going to be a professional baseball player.
So did my father.
Speaker 15 (21:52):
That was like the goal. But it wasn't just like that.
He gave me hope that I could be an NBA player.
Speaker 16 (21:57):
It was his style of play, their style of play
as a team. I admired the Lakers too for the
way they played, so it was kind of weird. My
two favorite players were rivals. Magic Johnson Larry Bird were
my two favorite players, and they were the two guys
that were trying to beat each other every year.
Speaker 15 (22:15):
It felt like.
Speaker 16 (22:16):
So I did just his flair, his confidence, his passing ability,
the way that team passed the ball. That made me
really think, that's the beauty of basketball when it's played
the right way.
Speaker 15 (22:29):
It looks like that.
Speaker 16 (22:30):
And that's why I started to fall in love with it,
became obsessed with it, and the rest is kind of history.
Like what I did with end up doing with my life.
You're talking about forty five years now. Basketball has been
the center of my life, everything I've built.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Did you ever think Larry Bird in person?
Speaker 16 (22:48):
I never thanked him in person. I did have one
very cool moment with him. He won't remember it, but
of course I'm not going to forget it. It was
shooting around preseason game. I never really caught Larry Bird
as a player because he was finishing up, he had
back problems, he was about to retire. And I was
on the court alone, just he and I opposite ends
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of the floor, shooting before a preseason game. I think
it was in Hartford, Connecticut. If I am not mistaken,
and I'm like, that's Larry Bird down, then we're only
two out there because he went out early. I used
to go out early. We're out there shooting. At one point,
I kind of drifted to the other end, so we
were shooting on the same end of the court, just
us and some ball boys, and uh we shot for
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a while and I was, you know, I was making them.
He was making over both good shooters. And then he
finished and he walked past me. And as he was
walking past me to go to the tunnel to leave
the court, he just without even looking at me or
changing the direction of his head. He just said nice shooting,
and he just kept walking and then validated my life.
Speaker 15 (23:49):
That was all I needed to hear.
Speaker 16 (23:51):
I probably should have just quit right then and just like, hey,
that's all I needed.
Speaker 15 (23:54):
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Watching, Okay, see with shake gildgos Alley. He he's a
great player of the MVP, but like, how would you
describe his style if somebody didn't see him play, because
he doesn't play like the typical very good, great NBA player.
Speaker 15 (24:16):
I'd listen.
Speaker 16 (24:16):
I think the thing that separates him dan is I
personally have never seen a guard, or only any player.
Speaker 15 (24:24):
In this league.
Speaker 16 (24:24):
Maybe Dirk would be a guy that operated that area
of the floor, but he wasn't really doing it as
much off the dribble as he was just with his
length and his shooting. No guard has ever literally dominated
that area of the floor. Basically, if you drew a
line on the baseline straight up each side of the
lane all the way to half court, so like an
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area of the width of the lane extending from the
baseline to half court, and that's the area of the
floor that he wants operating, and that's where the most
traffic is on the floor, and yet that's where he
always tries to get back to. Now, he obviously can
make shots going you know, to the right wing, left wing,
wherever he has to if he gets pushed that way
for that mid range shot, But his favorite place on
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the court is the area that's got the most traffic
for a guy his size, For a guard to shoot
the ball the areas he does with that level of efficiency,
We've really never seen anything quite like that. He's just
an absolute raw scoring machine. And the more you talk
to guys around the league, are that are great defenders.
Speaker 15 (25:29):
The answer of who's the toughest.
Speaker 16 (25:30):
Guy you've had to guard or have to guard currently,
his name typically is the first one that's going to
roll off people's tongues.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, and you know, you start to get to that
Jordan comparisons of scoring. Now, I'm not talking how Mike scored,
but the Mike won how many scoring titles like it
was a foregone conclusion and I don't see any reason
why SGA shouldn't be able to continue to be that
thirty plus point scorer for quite some time. But I
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did want to ask you about if you were going
to talk to Anthony Edwards. What would you tell him
he has to do improve upon?
Speaker 16 (26:10):
Well, I think one of the things I think, first
of all this has nothing to do with him, is
let me start with this. They need to address their
lead guard position. I love Mike Conley. Mike Conley's been
one of my favorite players in the NBA his entire career.
Speaker 15 (26:26):
Just a huge fan of his.
Speaker 16 (26:27):
He's a leader, he's tough, he's great in Memphis, but
he's at the stage of his career he's not going
to generate any additional offense for people, and I think
some of that needs to be taken off the plate
of Anthony Edwards. Let's start with that, because that will
lead into the point of your question. I think Anthony
Edwards needs to understand that there can't be moments of
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games where he feels his way out he feels the game.
Speaker 15 (26:55):
That's not what he needs to do.
Speaker 16 (26:57):
He needs to come out and have a Jordan like approach,
a Kobe like approach. I think he's got the athletic ability,
the explosiveness, the all around scoring game to do it.
I think because so much of the other responsibility of
being a playmaker has been put on his plate, he
morphs between the two and that's not who he is
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at his core. So part of it's on the team.
They've got to address that. And if they can find that,
then Anthony Edwards could just go be what you need
to be, which is a just an absolute tenacious, attacking,
relentless scorer. And that doesn't mean you know, you have
to shoot the ball every time down the floor, but
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it means everything is about putting pressure on the defense.
Speaker 15 (27:43):
Look to bring Jordan again in reference of that.
Speaker 16 (27:45):
I go to Jordan a number of times in my
career and just watching him throughout his career, he's the
only guy I ever saw that.
Speaker 15 (27:51):
Every single time he caught it, it was go time.
Speaker 16 (27:54):
Every time he touched the ball, he wanted to go
on you and Anthony Edwards, I think because he doesn't
have that taken off of his plate to go create
offense all these guys And I'm not saying you're not
going to ge assisted organically, that'll call by being aggressive,
but I think he sometimes goes to these periods of
time where he's like, Okay, let me try to get
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other guys involved or feel my way around the court,
and that's just not to me.
Speaker 15 (28:20):
Who he is and who he needs to be at.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
His best talking to Tim Legler of The Mothership covering
the NBA Finals, also his podcast, All City NBA Podcast.
What do people learn when they go to that podcast?
Speaker 16 (28:34):
I just think Dan, I think it's a little bit
different than a lot of what's out there. It's not
a hot take thing. Adam Morez is my partner and
hosts the show. He's based in Denver and he is
heavily tied into the Nuggets, but he covers all sports
in Denver. But we're just a serious hoop talk four
times a week, an hour an hour at a time.
We're breaking down the games that happened last night, previewing
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the games.
Speaker 15 (28:56):
From tonight, and it's just real basketball analysis. We're a
hoop junkie. Just like talking about the game of what
you watched last.
Speaker 16 (29:02):
Night, you want to learn more about it a little
bit smarter when you watch the game tonight. That's that's
what that is. It's not hot take trying to get clicks.
We're just two guys breaking down the game because we
love hoops.
Speaker 15 (29:13):
So that's if that's your thing, that's the place you
want to go.
Speaker 16 (29:16):
Because I think it's it's done about as high a
level as it can be done.
Speaker 15 (29:19):
Because Adam is so knowledgeable himself.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Why is Michael Jordan joining TV NBC in their coverage
of the NBA.
Speaker 15 (29:28):
That's a good question. Who knows. I don't know what
they offered him. Has that been has that been reported?
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Maybe that let's say they gave him a Tom Brady deal.
Let's say they gave him thirty million, thirty five, Like,
what does that matter to Jordan? Like, you know, he's
a billion A couple of times over.
Speaker 15 (29:44):
I completely agree with you. I was making really a
joke about that. But I don't know. I don't really
know why he would want to. It's like, it's not
high stress. Let's start with that.
Speaker 16 (29:55):
You're not asking him to go run a team or.
Speaker 15 (29:58):
Coach a team. It's not I stress what we do.
Speaker 16 (30:02):
I mean, he's got to be careful with your words
sometimes because you could end your career if you're not careful.
That's about the highest stress you have. It's just sitting
down and talking about basketball. So I think from that standpoint,
maybe he wants to feel a little bit more connected
to the game now that he's not, you know, involved
with ownership and it's just a different life for him.
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Who knows, maybe he just misses his connection to the game,
and it's a way to stay relevant and a way
to just impart some knowledge about the way he views things,
because we've never really heard from him in this regard,
so I'm going to be very interested to hear what
he has to say. I have no doubt he's going
to be highly critical at all point when.
Speaker 15 (30:42):
He needs to be.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
How big a month is Tyrese Haliburton head?
Speaker 16 (30:48):
Look, I said the other night that I looked it
up because I wasn't sure. Do you know what Dan,
off the top of your head with the perfect QBR
rating is for a quarterback?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
It's what one fifty eight point three?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Bang?
Speaker 16 (31:04):
Good job, that's excellent. Yes, I didn't know that. I'm
a huge NFL fame. I know the exact number. I
looked it up. That's what Tire's Halliburton pitched on Tuesday.
I mean, that's what he threw on Tuesday. He played
the position perfectly. If you really want to find a
teaching tape for how to play point guard in the
NBA at the highest level, that was Tuesday night. Thirty
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plus points, fifteen assists, zero turnovers, double digit rebounds, four steals,
and constant tempo, constant tempo. He put a lot on himself.
And the previous game they lost, they bogged down in
the fourth quarter. I allowed the Knicks to win that
game and get it to two to one and made
it a series. And he put it on himself, and
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he answered the bell, and it started from the very
first possession. Compared him to a Formula One car or
a driver and had his foot taped with the gas
pedal down.
Speaker 15 (31:59):
To the floor.
Speaker 16 (32:00):
He didn't tap the brakes once and as a result,
Indiana played to their identity.
Speaker 15 (32:05):
So this guy has now had It's not just.
Speaker 16 (32:08):
A month, man, it's a been about three or four months.
Very little to scrutinize. And I thought the first half
of the season he's a little bit up and down.
I actually described him one time, maybe back in November,
as his floor being too low to be considered a superstar.
Meeting on those nights when he's quiet or passive or
doesn't impact the game.
Speaker 15 (32:27):
You can't have like a six point night.
Speaker 16 (32:30):
You can't have one of those games where you just
kind of aren't noticed, not if you're on that level
and over the last three months or so, plus whatever
the playoffs had been to this point, you know, two
plus rounds.
Speaker 15 (32:41):
He has been that every single night.
Speaker 16 (32:43):
So he's elevated his status because of his consistency with
which he is doing it.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Do you realize Jason Kidd had a quadruple double and
so points, rebounds, assist and turnovers.
Speaker 15 (33:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I think he's had the most turnovers in a game
in NBA history. I think what fifteen?
Speaker 15 (33:08):
It's listen, it's incredible.
Speaker 16 (33:10):
I mean Tyres Haliburton led the NBA for starting point
guards for guys that played a lot of minutes in
assist the turnover ratio. Okay, it was over five a game.
He's over seven a game in this series. He's got
forty four assists, six turnovers against a team that's got
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guys that are trying to disrupt him. Now, and we'll
say this the one thing the Knicks don't have, and
this is if Indiana wins this series, he certainly.
Speaker 15 (33:38):
Is going to get something different from Okac.
Speaker 16 (33:40):
They the Knicks don't have the personnel to jam him
up in the back court. Mcal Bridges is a really
good defender. He's really long, he's great. If you give
him an isolation wing player to guard them, and that's
trying to take him off the dribble. When you're talking
about a point guard with that kind of lateral, I
mean straight ahead speed, that's mckail. Bridges can't do that,
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So he's picking him up in half court or even
further back on his own defensive end. Now Tyres Aliburton
has a had a steam. They're not jamming him up
in the back court on the outlet passes to stop
his momentum.
Speaker 15 (34:13):
They can't do it.
Speaker 16 (34:13):
Anonobi's too big and thick like to move like that.
Brunson can't do it. So Josh Hart's probably the most
likely guy. If you just say, hey, man, just go
guard this guy in the back court, don't let him
get the outlet pass, and turn him a few times
up to.
Speaker 15 (34:28):
Court, he would be the most likely.
Speaker 16 (34:29):
But he's not even on the level of four different
guys that Okac has, So that's been a big problem
for the Knicks. Tyres Haliburton is able to get moving
down the runway and now it's too late to contain him,
and that's why you're seeing what he's doing to them
and just completely picking them apart.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Good to talk to your legs, have fun with the finals.
Thanks for joining.
Speaker 15 (34:52):
Us anytime, Dan, you got it.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
That's Tim Legler, former three point shooting contest winner and
covering the Stern Conference finals in sight casts presented by
YouTube TV. And there was Scott Van Pelt every night
after those games, and he'll be covering the NBA Finals. Yes, Paul, I.
Speaker 8 (35:10):
Got to tell you that Larry Bird's story by Legler
was a all timer.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Just a good shooting. That's it.
Speaker 8 (35:16):
That's the greatest compliment you could get.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
But just the fact that Larry's not going to have
small talk there. I don't need to shooters shooting and hey, hey,
my shooting. Then he walks off the floor. We'll take
a break. Who was it who had the great quote?
I forget who covered the Cowboys and they talked about
one of the greatest days that they ever had, and
(35:40):
the guys, gosh, I wish I knew the reporter's name,
columns name, but he said, oh, one of the greatest days.
Let's say his name is John Well, one of the
greatest days of my life. Tom Landry called me out
by my name. They called me Tom, not my actual name, John.
But it's one of the great days of my life.
(36:01):
So take a break back after this.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
We've talked a lot about Larry Bird today was on
this day, nineteen eighty Larry Bird beats out Magic Johnson
for the NBA Rookie of the Year. David in Ohio, Hi, David,
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 14 (36:29):
Hey Dan, congrats on being grandfather again.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I had a question for you.
Speaker 14 (36:34):
As you know, missus David in Ohio is expecting, and
I didn't know.
Speaker 15 (36:38):
I was hoping I could get some.
Speaker 16 (36:42):
I was hoping that you could give me a good
name for either a boy or girl.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
We don't know the gender yet, Daniel Patrick Junior.
Speaker 15 (36:48):
The third has been.
Speaker 16 (36:49):
Vetoed, so but maybe I could get that from you
if you had any name suggessions.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Okay, David, what's your last name?
Speaker 15 (37:00):
Dick?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
What like thera shist like the raiser Shick? Dave David Schick?
All right, all right, Paulie, you got a name boy
or girl for David Shick.
Speaker 8 (37:14):
I would tell him what not to do. Don't name
your kid Rick Shick never recover.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Okay, Todd, you got one?
Speaker 10 (37:21):
How about Sean Sean Shick?
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Okay, we're not big on alliteration. Marvin, you got one?
Or Seaton got one? That? Uh?
Speaker 6 (37:33):
Michael Michael safe sounds nice and clean.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Michael Schick, Mike Schick, Mike Shick's a little too fast?
Is a little too fast? Yes, you need to have
that pause in there, Michael Chick, Seaton got one?
Speaker 7 (37:50):
Mm hm, Shick is interesting. I go with a family name.
What's your dad's name, what's your grandpa's name?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Joe Joe Joe Shick. What's wrong with that name? Sorry,
Joseph Schick.
Speaker 7 (38:07):
He's running for assemblymen. If I'm not mistaken, Joe Shick
wasn't either. Former sheriff now he's going into Yeah, they're
dying on the side of the road.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yeah, Sheriff Shick. Yeah, Joseph Sheriff. Good good luck with that, David, Yes.
Speaker 10 (38:22):
How about Gillette? Just embrace it completely, just go all
two razor names.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Or like big SHICKI yeah, I think you could have
good luck, David. Good luck. It's always tricky with names,
you know, and and you know, my mother in law
didn't matter. There was always somebody whatever name you picked
out that she had. You know this this one died
in a tragic accident, or this one had a mole
(38:50):
on her note like, it was just all of these things,
no matter what. So we stopped telling her when we
were naming our kids, Yes, Marvin, and.
Speaker 6 (38:57):
When you're having a baby, don't try to get too crave.
Because me and my wife we thought about, you know what,
we don't want people to make fun of our son,
you know, or mispronouncing his name when you have a
long name or something crazy, like the teacher in school,
I'm gonna try to pronounce this right, Yes that's me, yes,
or yes that's me.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
I think we've all been in a classroom where you
have that teacher getting ready to pronounce somebody's name and
you go, oh, this is not gonna end. Well, it's
not gonna end well. I had a few of those
in my high school class where this isn't gonna end.
Speaker 15 (39:31):
Well.
Speaker 7 (39:32):
Yes, my son goes to school with a bunch of
kids that are from overseas, and a lot of them
have very tricky names to pronounce, but then also have
an Americanized name, so it'll be like, oh, this is
like Kohey, so and so or whatever, but we all
call him Patrick.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Of course. Yeah, of course that's the name that that
you would have. It gets usually it's a derivation of something,
but sometimes it's like, wait a minute, your name is
that they call you Tom? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
known American? Yeah, everybody calls him Ben Yeah. But he's
from you know, yeah, Paul.
Speaker 8 (40:05):
Remember that running back from Michigan. Tim Bia his first
name was actually like Tishamonga Biacapatuca, but he went by
Tim Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Uh, Andy and Rhode Island. We'll sneak you in here,
Hey Andy, Andy by Andy. Uh. We'll have a new
poll question coming up top of the hour. David Spade.
He's got a new stand up special ink a podcast
as well. Pacers at the Knicks and at Nicks are
(40:39):
favored by four in this game the pressure the celebrities?
Do the celebrities not show up tonight because they apparently
put too much pressure on the Knicks. But then the
celebrities went to Indiana? Should they have gone to Indiana
to put more pressure on the Knicks? Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 8 (40:58):
If you were a big time celebrity in New York
and you were offered row three, do you not go
because it's like a stamp. Let's see, you're a big
time but they only have row three left.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Okay, well if it depends on if I care about
how people are going to view the fact that I'm
in the third row. You want to get in the building,
you want to be part of it, great, you want
to be seen while you're in the building, then that's different.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
Yes, Tod, just say you decided the last minute to
go to the game and that's what was left.
Speaker 10 (41:28):
It's not because you were the third row B level celebrity.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
But you might have to keep explaining that to people.
That's right. I would normally be in the game.
Speaker 15 (41:37):
It's all good.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah, yeah, it's just temporary.
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Dan Patrick
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