June 4, 2025 • 41 mins
Dan and the Danettes break down the roster of suspects in consideration to replace Tom Thibodeau as the New York Knicks HC. And NBA insider Vincent Goodwill drops by to add his take on the firing of Thibodeau.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Good but not good enough which describes us, but maybe
Tom Thibodeau as well. Eight seven to seven to three
DP Show Email Addressdpatdanpatrick dot com, Twitter or handle at
DP show. Good morning if you're watching on Peacock or
listening on our radio affiliates around the country. Good but
not good enough with Tom Thibodeau got your team to
(00:25):
the Eastern Conference Finals, probably against a few odds, but
the fact that you had home court advantage against the Pacers,
and it almost felt like a foregone conclusion with the
environment in New York City, that city was ready to
explode with the next going and playing for a championship,
and that it didn't happen. You lose game one at
(00:46):
the buzzer, and then you lose Game two, then all
of a sudden, we're not going to the NBA Finals.
When does management decide that Tom Thibodeau is not the
right guy for the job. Was it that game one
and then game two? Was it when he went to
his bench finally, or was it when they got eliminated,
(01:06):
or maybe it was earlier. But you can't give your
coach a thirty million dollar contract extension just about a
year ago, and then all of a sudden move on
from him.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Actually you can't, Actually you can't. Just did Yes, you did?
All right? I have a poll question.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Stat of the day has always brought you by Panini America,
the official trading cards of the program, seat and doing
the honors. With the poll question, let's recap hour one
and what do you have in store for hour two?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Yeah, we put up there the Knicks are nutsy or
gutsy by firing their head coach. Right now, eighty three
percent are saying.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
NUTSI NUTSI okay, they're nutsy.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
What are we going to go with? An hour two?
Hour two?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
So glad that you asked, we are going with. We
just had one here sent over from Paul, kind of
out of the blue. If you could get one plastic
surgery of your choice on the house, what would it be?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Paul?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Would you like to elaborate on what you're thinking of
having a nipped in time?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
What do you think needs to be done to you?
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Paul?
Speaker 6 (02:12):
Me, No, I overheard a conversation the bros all of
us were just discussing random people getting plastic surgery.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah, the Kardashians, and.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
We brought this topic up every five or six years,
and now we're getting a little bit older. Would anyone
get one any type of improvement surgery?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Well, I'll start with you.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
Uh my nose, I broke it years ago. If it
was on the house, I would get my uh nose fixed.
I broke it like in ninth grade or something.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Okay, the old deviated broke my nose.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Got to get it fixed.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
Times it wasn't debian septim. I got beat up some
bigger than face.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
All right, Okay, I fixed this broken nose from thirty
years ago.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, I would. I would.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I had a couple of friends and they got nose jobs,
but then they had deviated septems.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
So I don't know what a deviated septim is.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I don't know, but it's a good excuse to get
your nose done. I know a few girls in high
school that had deviated septoms. Yeah, got their nose taken
care of. What about you, Marvin, what would you change?
Speaker 7 (03:24):
I love the way it just uh you know what.
It wouldn't be anything like skin. I'd get like new teeth,
like veneers.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Veneers, Okay, like Rex Ryan vneers. Don't go too white. Okay,
that's what happens.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I won't go too quat guys.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Guys get when they get older and then they get
veneers and they always have that really really bright smile.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
It is like we have a couple of people that
have been guests on our show. You see him, You're.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, Todd, what would you change?
Speaker 8 (04:01):
Maybe some kind of tummy talk. I know there's diet,
and there's exercise, and there's all kinds of injections out there,
and you know where one day, if you're even five
pounds overweight, everyone's going to look at you like an alien.
Everyone's skinny except.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
For your exercise is free.
Speaker 8 (04:12):
Yeah that's true. But I'm saying like, if I can
change right now and not wait a year and a
half for an injection or something like that, I just
wanted to starting tomorrow to look a lot better than
I would. If you're making me pick one, i'd say,
tightened the waist and hipps.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not forcing you to pick. I'm
just having fun. Yeah, it's okay, you don't have to
do it.
Speaker 8 (04:30):
I would I would like to be smaller in the
waist and hips area seating.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
What would you do?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Because we have offered to pay for hair plugs or
a hair people.
Speaker 8 (04:38):
I'm kind of fine with the hair thing.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Just just wear I would I had, I'd be fine
with it too. You know, it's an air of confidence, Satan.
What about you?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Maybe if I started losing my hair, I might get
that taken care of. I don't know if that counts
as plastic surgery.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yeah, but what do you got now? Your hair? You got?
You got good moss? Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I don't really have something that I'm like, Man, I
would really love to change that because if I, if
I did, I would m okay, you know I wouldn't.
I wouldn't be like if I really hated my nose
or something, I would just get my nose fixed and
be like, yeah, yeah, I got my nose done, No
big deal.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Mine got broken playing basketball?
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Yeah, but I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Mine got broken at a concert once I got kicked
in the face.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Were you in a mosh pit? I was as a
great story. Actually, as a matter of fact, I was.
It was the.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Dropkick Murphy's on Saint Patrick's Day. They were playing in Actually,
my hometown in New Jersey, and uh, I was right
up front at the stage and I just turned to
see where my friend was and a boot went wang,
a big doc Martin smashed me right in the nose,
and the crowd picked me up and like floated me
to the like more towards the front of the stage
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so security could grab me. And the lead singer Al
Barr was like singing and he saw me coming. I
was covered with blood and I could he's singing this
song and he's just shaking his head like, oh no,
look at this kid. And he pulled me up on stage,
put his arm around me. We sang like a line
of the song together, and then he pushed me back
off the stage. It was one of the coolest moments
of my life. True story. Yeah, yeah, he pushed off stage.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
And then you broke your arm and that's what I
broke my arm and then yeah, then I really had
to leave.
Speaker 8 (06:16):
Yes, you got drop kicked at the dropkick Murphy did.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, oh righty, okay, let me see Vincent Goodwill of
Y'aho Sports covers the NBA.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
He'll join us. The final start tomorrow night, and the
Stanley Cup Final starts tonight.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
With the rematch of Edmonton and Florida. I do have
the odds this morning. The favorite to be the next
Nick's head coach is Michael Malone, who coached Denver. Johnny Bryant,
did we find is he a Cavs assistant coach. I
don't know much about Johnny Bryant, but he's got the
second best odds, and then a distant third is Jay Wright,
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along with Mike Budenhozer, Rick Brunson Jalen Brunson's dad, and
Monty Williams is also in there. John Caliperi down the list.
Danny Hurley is there. Jeff Van Gundy is kind of
sneaky in my opinion. I always liked him as a
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head coach. He's been an assistant coach for a while.
Of course, he was broadcasting for a long time. I
have to put Rick Patino on there, just because he's
Rick Pattino and he would take the job in a second.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yes, Don Johnny Bryan.
Speaker 8 (07:34):
Listed as a Cavs associate head coach.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Associate head coach.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Okay, all right, but Michael Malone the probably the clubhouse
leader right now. But there'll be wide, you know, speculation
here Danny Hurley grew up a Knicks fan. He grew
up in Jersey City. That doesn't mean that he's right
for the job, or he should take the job. I
think he still should be in college for a little
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while longer. Yeah, he flirted with the Lake and probably
would have taken it, but his wife, I think talked
to him off the ledge to say no, let's let's
go back home. And I think he made the right decision, uh,
because he even said to me, I got to mature
a little bit. And you go into the Nick every game,
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you're under the microscope every game. You know, at least
with Connecticut, you know, you're not followed by you know,
a large group of you know of reporters. I mean,
this is and he's a college guy, like his dad
was a high school guy, his brother college guy. But
just because you grew up a fan of the Knicks
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doesn't mean that you're the right guy for that job.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Now, could he do it?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Sure, he's a great coach, But I just think I
go back to Jerry West. Every single loss affected him
as a player, as a coach, as a GM every
loss he got to the point where he couldn't watch
He couldn't sit down and watch them, and the Lakers
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were great. I mean, imagine if he was, you know,
watching a really bad team. He's got the Lakers and
they're competing and winning championships, but every single loss hurt.
And it feels like that's the same way with Danny Hurley.
Now at Yukon, you're not losing that many games in
the NBA. You're going to lose a few and when
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you get into the postseason and then all of a sudden,
these losses and then people want answers. I mean, Yukon,
you know, didn't play well this past season, but I
don't know how many people are going Danny Hurley is
the issue. It was, Hey, sometimes that transfer portal gives
you gold. Sometimes you get lemon Sometimes you get lemonade.
(09:51):
And you got a Hall Pass because he's won a
couple of national titles. They're not going to give you
that Hall pass with the Knicks more than a year.
Yeah see, but it could be.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Partially the same problem with Danny Hurley's season at Yukon
and the Knicks.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
This year.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
You brought in the wrong dudes.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
You brought in a couple of the wrong guys that
have messed up the whole season.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well, I don't know if everybody was down on the
Karl Anthony town. I mean I didn't I wouldn't want him,
But I don't know if people looked at that and said, hey,
that's the missing piece here. I mean, obviously you made
that trade because you were missing something. I just don't
want a seven foot shooting guard. I mean, and he's
(10:40):
a very good offensive player. But in today's NBA then
there are a lot of good offensive players. I mean,
how many guys average at least.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Twenty a game.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Now, it's not a big deal, like you'll go, oh wow,
he averaged twenty. Yeah, you got to get guys who
do other things for you. You got to get depth.
You got to get guys who are versatile, a guy
who can be a spark off the bench. You gotta
get guys who are going to be do the dirty work.
You have to have those guys. And I just don't
think the Knicks had enough guys this year. Yes, see Marvin.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
Yeah, the NBA playoffs they expose teams like nobody else. Like,
you know what, I didn't know he could play defense.
Well guess what, now you're playing against the team six
times and not just one time, and then you're playing
a different team another night, so you're getting exposed. But
it's something we already knew about Karl Anthony Towns that
he can't play defense.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Carlos in La leads us off this hour. Hi, Carlos,
what's on your mind?
Speaker 9 (11:34):
Good morning dance shrinking five to ten and a biscuit
away from two Hundy.
Speaker 10 (11:41):
Hey, I just think that Tid's getting.
Speaker 9 (11:43):
A raw deal here, just like a lot of coaches
and across most sports, when the Knicks basically overachieved and
he's not getting the credit for what. You know, Why
is David Edelin not fired? I mean, he shouldn't be.
But it's the same situation. Same with Kenny Atkins, and
they both fell shorts.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Well, Adamman took over for Michael Malone like he was
there on an interim basis, and then they turned it
over to him. Thanks for the phone call Atkinson in Cleveland. Now,
they had injuries there. He was coach of the Year,
but they had injuries. I mean, same thing with Boston.
Do I think Boston was the best team in the
East if everybody's healthy, Yes, but they weren't like the
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Knicks don't have to apologize because they beat them, or
Cleveland was banged up. You don't have to apologize. Or
Dame Lillard wasn't able to play. You don't apologize, You
just move on. Yes, Ton, isn't it.
Speaker 8 (12:42):
Possible that players can say one thing publicly about how
much they love their coach and then in a private moment,
either together or talking to the front office separately, is
you know, bring up issues that they're not going to
want the word?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Are you saying that, Brunson?
Speaker 8 (12:55):
I'm saying that it's possible that not everyone is so
in love with with coach Tibbs as much as is.
Maybe they led on or at least in recent games
from this last.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Series, of course. I mean I could say, Todd, what
do you think of me right now?
Speaker 5 (13:09):
You're fabulous?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
And then you could go home and be complaining to
your wife about it.
Speaker 8 (13:13):
Asked, guys, I can't do anything, And.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
That's happened, hasn't it.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
I've had some.
Speaker 8 (13:17):
Words with my wife overdidd and a frustrating moment. You
nothing mean or terrible, just like frustration.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Okay, so that's a safe word. Publicly and privately. You
you were two different people.
Speaker 8 (13:27):
And I just wonder how significantly did you try to
have me replace did not get that far? Okay, all right,
but I have dreamed periodically, would it be like if
there was a different house in the chairs. That's I
don't know if that's the same thing or different.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
And this great, great timing after our twenty third anniversary.
Speaker 8 (13:43):
Twenty three years of a day today, baby, yeah, let's.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Go yeah real nice, Yeah, great timing. Yesterday was yesterday.
Now it's the anniversaries over every day's super Bowl time.
That's true, Paul and Iowa, Hi, Paul, what's on your
mind today?
Speaker 11 (13:59):
Hey?
Speaker 12 (13:59):
Dan?
Speaker 10 (13:59):
Well, first best of the midweek. It's a beautiful day
here for a baseball high school doubleheader in the only
sport in the Union that plays summer ball. But my
point to call in about today is that Michael Malone
is not going to turn Kat into joker. And you
gave the stat in the first.
Speaker 11 (14:16):
Hour that Tat had only one block in the entire series,
and that brought to my mind the stat that Wilt
Chamberlain never fouled out of a game in his career,
and it really holds you back having your best big
man give that defensive.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Effort Yeah, but I don't he's not going to change.
I don't think he's athletic. I think he's talented. There's
a difference in that. I think he's got a great touch.
He can shoot, you know, he can you know, beach
off the dribble occasionally. But you know, to play defense,
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it takes different talents than it does to be a
great offensive player.
Speaker 7 (14:55):
Yes, Marvin, that's what we'll so with disappointing because TABS
is probably the orchestra of the best defense I've ever
seen in the oaight Celtics, where everybody bought in and
they played great team defense. I was like, why couldn't
the Knicks do that? Ray Allen wasn't known as a
great defender, neither was Paul Pierce. But those guys brought
into the system and played great team defense.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Well, nobody calls out Jalen Brunson because he can't play defense. Now,
I don't know why, but we call out Steph Curry
he can't play defense. Certain players you call him out,
they can't play defense. The joker, he can't play defense.
Luca Well, Luca can't play defense. Yes, Marvin Well.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
I think they came to a head for Steph Curry
in the twenty sixteen Finals, especially Game seven when Lebron
was like, Hey.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Ye, whoever Steph is guarding? Yeah, go at him? Yes,
it turned out to be Kyrie. All right, We'll take
a break.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Vinnie Goodwill Vincent Goodwill will join us on loan from
Yahoo Sports. Get his thoughts on why Tom Thibodeaux was
fired and who should be next.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Head coach in New York.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
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up in an hour from now.
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All right, here's your question. Tom Chibodeaux was fired because
dot dot dot.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Then New York Knicks wanted to fire.
Speaker 12 (17:55):
I think we try to make things a lot more complicated.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Than they are.
Speaker 12 (17:59):
If we make the Eastern Conference Finals in the year
where nobody expected you to get out of the second round,
regardless of the circumstances, and you take out the defending
champions in the decisive six game series, and that's not
enough for you to keep your job, that meant that
nothing was going to enable you to keep your job.
You can talk about the Knicks roster and how top
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heavy they are. They are second Apron team, and I
think that is something Dan that we don't talk about
as much. When you look at the Phoenix Suns and
the Milwaukee Bucks, some of those teams that are in
those second aprons, those very relative investment heavy. You know,
parts of the CBA, the expectations are championship and even
if the roster doesn't look like a championship, the investment
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of the money says we expect you to deliver a championship. Now,
maybe Tom Thibodeau took this team as far as it
can go. If you need a more innovative offensive.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Mind.
Speaker 12 (18:54):
You know there was a lot of chemistry issues that
looked like between Carl Anthony Townsend Jalen Brunson. But I
asked you, Dan, when was the last time.
Speaker 15 (19:01):
You've seen an NBA champion that had defensive issions at
the point of attack with the point guard and.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
At the real with the center, and you won a championship.
Speaker 12 (19:09):
I don't know if God himself could have worked the
magic that Tom Thibodeau was asked to work in these playoffs.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So you're saying then they overachieved with Tom Thibodeau not
underachieved in these playoffs.
Speaker 12 (19:24):
Yes, absolutely, I don't look at well. I would say
this to the fans. Did you know that Landry Shammit
and Delon Wright were actually in the NBA when Tom
Thibodeau threw them out there? Now you can say Tips
didn't develop his bench and everything else and depth in
today's game wins. When you look at the Oklahoma City Thunder,
you look at the Ndiana pationis the two teams playing
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in the NBA Finals.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
You are absolutely correct.
Speaker 12 (19:48):
But when you build a team that says Michel Bridges,
We're going to pay five first round picks for you,
and then we bring in Ognob before that, and then
on the Evil training camp we traded for Carl Anthony.
Speaker 11 (19:58):
Times.
Speaker 12 (19:59):
You don't have the to develop a bench, and I
know Tipps should have developed a bench better, but I
can't think of a coach being fired because of supplementary players.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Now if you tell me that.
Speaker 12 (20:11):
Jalen Brunts and Carl Thomas of the Keil Bridges went
into a reading individually with Jim Dolan and said, we
know what you're thinking. Maybe this isn't the guy that
help us move forward. Okay, fine, because this is a
totally different team than the team Tips took over all
those years ago. It's a much more talented offensively Bay's
team and maybe that's the reason. But either way, that's
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what Dan We've all find out because Punk's of Tony
Field will never come out of his shadow.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
And I'm talking about Leon Road. We never see that man.
Speaker 12 (20:39):
I will be bald headed, but we never see Leon
Rose in public again. And let me tell you all,
I got a good hairline still.
Speaker 14 (20:46):
See.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I think that if you make a move, you fire
a coach or hire a coach, you should get in
front of the media. You got the media capital of
the world, New York City. You made the move. If
I'm a fan, I would like to at least have answer,
what was it that we didn't get and what are
you bringing in now? He might show up if they
bring in Michael Malone, take a victory lap, and then
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maybe they don't ask questions about Tom Thibodeaux.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
But you got to get in front of the media here, right, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 12 (21:17):
Absolutely, And I'm surprised that Nick fans, well, for one,
Nick fans don't like the media. Nobody likes the big
bad media. So when the media says, hey, there's a
need for public accountability, you know, you can look at
that a lot of different spheres of our world today.
Nobody likes the media when they got that accountability is necessary.
But let me say to this point, even if you
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go hire with Michael Malone, what is the difference between
Michael Malone.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
And Tom Thibodeau.
Speaker 12 (21:44):
Wasn't Michael Malone hired in a large part because of
his inability to work with the front office to develop
young players.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Isn't that one of the complaints about Tom Thibodeau.
Speaker 12 (21:54):
Don't they come from the same New York sort of
free the tree of NBA coaches.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
I feel like they're kind of similar.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Do you think they know who they're hiring.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
No, I don't think they know who they're hiring.
Speaker 12 (22:08):
I think and I don't necessarily know if you have
to know who you're hiring. I don't think this is
the case of when the Pistmas fired Brig Carlisle in
two thousand and three, they knew they had Larry Brown
in their back pocket and they want to win the
championship the next season to validate it.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
I don't think this is that.
Speaker 12 (22:24):
I think they are walking in this with a relatively
open mind. You see the list of guys, even some
coaches who are feeling the contract they owe Tom Thibodeaux
thirty million dollars.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
I will say this, and I'm gonna go back to
firing of tips.
Speaker 12 (22:37):
When you fire a coach for thirty million dollars left
on this deal and you're willing to eat that.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
It's not just the owner, because I've.
Speaker 12 (22:44):
Heard three hours before, Hey it's Tom thiberto say and
someone told me, two people told me inside that building,
close to that building. They said, unless Dolan wants to
So I don't thinking with Jim Dolan. I don't think
it was just the players in those closes door. It
means I think they had long made this decision, and
I don't think they had necessarily a list of who
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they had in front of them exposed.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Donalist I think. I don't think it's gonna be Jay Ryden.
I feel it's gonna be Ji back gunned do or
anything like that. I think it's the New York Vicks
being the New York Vicks.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
What about Danny Hurley?
Speaker 5 (23:19):
Have you seen Danny Hurley on the sideline?
Speaker 3 (23:21):
I know, I know, my job is just to ask
the question.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I didn't want to ask a question and give an answer,
So you don't.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Want to you don't want to lead the witness.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
No, no, no, It's something that's unique in this business.
Doesn't happen very often where the host just asked the question,
doesn't ask answer, and then to ask, so what about
Danny Hurley.
Speaker 12 (23:42):
I don't believe that Danny Hurley has the sort of temperament.
An eighty two game season, the scrutiny of the New
York media, and then the NBA playoffs. You are at
the point now where reaching the conference finals is the
floor where it's like that girl always dated and when
we first met, she said, the bar is the floor.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
You don't have to do much. I have to change
for you who grig The bar is a.
Speaker 12 (24:08):
Lot higher now for them and how they have to move.
So you have to be careful about what type of
coach you bring in because there's the scrutiny, because it's
the Dolan factor, because it's worldwide Wars. Maybe Rick Brunson,
you know Leon Rose. It's all these different factions inside
the building. And again I ask you what championship coach
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the coach Karl Tower defending the round and Jalen Brunton
and being an out right so a legative factor on
defense at the point of a touch I Doe and
Jalen Brunton at six peaks zero pm. There's so much
of a team's offense. If you're talking about Knicks, player
is not sure what their role is. He has so
much of a disproportionate value on the offense being run.
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I don't think they talk about that. He's like James Harten,
He's like Luca Danton and guys around that have a
hard time playing. So I don't even offensively, you have
the philosophy for the skin to build a championship team.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Talking to Vincent Goodwill, Yeaho's sports senior NBA writer, I
did laugh at the end of the year. You know,
after they get eliminated, people now start pointing out that
Karl Anthony Towns can't play defense. And I'm thinking, did
anybody watch him prior to getting to New York. He
doesn't play defense. I don't know if he tries that.
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That'd be even sadder if he was. If he was
actually trying to play defense, I'd rather just go with
I'll use my energy on the offensive end.
Speaker 12 (25:37):
Well, you guys played Princess seventeen days coming in Princess,
one of Prince's favorite musicians with she leave with the bongos.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
That's what Karl Anthony Towns does when he's playing. He's
just back too upside the head. And this said, you
know why I did that, And you're right. We saw
Paul Towns with.
Speaker 12 (25:56):
Rudy Go there in Minnesota. They surrounded him with defensive players.
It was a dog on defense day. Mcdamis is a
dog on defense. You have to surround him with players
at all different levels that sort of mitigate what he
does because.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
He's not going to change. He's ten years in.
Speaker 12 (26:11):
He's a wildly efficient offensive player, a wildly talented offensive player.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
But also Jalen Brunston.
Speaker 12 (26:18):
Had a grand total DAN of five assists the Carl
Anthony Towns in the Eastern Conference Finals.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Something is not working with the mix with those two.
Speaker 12 (26:28):
Prol played his best when Brunson was on the bench,
and then when Brunton's on the bench, Probab gets you
a foul though, All.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Right, NBA Finals, tell me how long? Yeah, that's happening,
rumor has it? Do you think the Knicks make the
announcement of the next head coach during the NBA Finals.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
David Stern was always had a problem. Don't take away
from the finals. But I don't know if you know
this commissioner cares or the Knicks care. But will they
hire their head coach by.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
The end of the NBA Finals, I'm.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Not sure if you know.
Speaker 12 (27:06):
Emperor Stern is much more of than a thiritarian figure
than Adam Silver, who's a little bit more on the
diplomatic side.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
Right, if you're assuming that the NBA.
Speaker 12 (27:18):
Finals go longer than five games, maybe, but the NBA
Finals stretch out for like two weeks.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
I had to pack like seventy.
Speaker 12 (27:23):
Five finals, work with work, the problems and stuff to
carry here. But to answer your question, Dan, seriously.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
I wouldn't be surprised if the Knicks. I don't think
the Knicks chare. You don't think I don't think James
Dolan cares. And like we say, Leon rules doesn't have
to be a common with anything.
Speaker 12 (27:37):
Nobody publicly or maybe even privately when these things come out.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
But I think if they find their guy, if their guys.
Speaker 12 (27:44):
Out there and he's not coaching in this series, and
I don't think that he is, you go ahead and
you make the announcement, you get it out and whatever
Adam Silver says.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
They don't care the league. They gonna tell you this.
The Knicks get a thing with the league's office. Sid
the league.
Speaker 12 (28:00):
Doesn't even have to went black Burners, they should against
the leader are going to inspire.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Okay, how do the Pacers win the series? Not make
it a series? Win the series?
Speaker 12 (28:12):
Lockshak gilges Alexander up like that movie with Damon Wayne's DNA.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
And hopense like that. No, I think offense is the
key here in the mor League. We say when you
get TNBA violence is about defense and stopping the other team.
You're not going to stop the Oklam citygub. You're not
going to stop Shape given us.
Speaker 12 (28:30):
Alexander from being fouled with least baiting direction. To believe
they can stole, you have to press the pace. Harris
Halliburner is by bark the most important player in this series.
The one mistake that Anthony Ellis made with the one
development in his game is that you got to see
what he gave up the ball. You knew exactly where
he was because he was not moving about it. That
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enable Obama City's defense to keep an eye the arms
on him. Harris Halliburton has a steaming glass kind of
quality where he can be a different points on the
floor where you have to accompliy him for different players.
If he can get this Oklahoma City defense mixed up
and twisted up with we actually I'm not saying it,
then maybe you have a better chance. Remember the different
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Nuggets on Lakole Yokis and they took this team seven
the games and they get blown out in the game seven.
But the games that they want, they shot the ball
extremely well and they played flawless basketball down the stretch.
We've seen the Indiana Pacers have come back victories against.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Cleveland and against the lew York Blicks, where.
Speaker 12 (29:32):
They defied the odds and came back and played flawless
basketball in the last two minutes after hanging around.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
From being down twenty, of being doul ten, whatever the
case may be.
Speaker 12 (29:40):
And Rick Carlock is a wizard of a coach, so
why it doesn't seem likely that is the path.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Hyris Halliverton has to be a monster in this series.
The Pacers have to shoot what they shot against the Knicks.
We go over thirty nine percent, which is I hurt
you million? The number. They have to shoot well into the.
Speaker 12 (29:55):
Forties and you have to win the crunch time manage
and even then I don't oh for sure they win
the series.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
And go back to the Knicks. For this question, what
do you think about Rick Battino coaching the Knicks?
Speaker 5 (30:10):
You I'm jumping back to the way back. I mean,
is he bringing Billy Donovan back with him? Is he
bringing you know, Patrick Dewey and those eighty nine and
kicks when they chat to the path fok, that's a
great question.
Speaker 12 (30:21):
I don't know if Jeff Van Gundy is being answered.
I don't know if Rick Patino, who is what we
gotta be worth seventy six, seventy seven years old, if
he has the stamina to do that, and the words
of Rick Patino and the press conference maybe twenty five
years ago, Patrick Dewey at walcome through that Charles Oakley
and walking.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Through that door. You know, Charles Opie will ain't walking
through that door Rick.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Allowed to walk through exactly. He literally can't walk through
that door. They won't let him walk through that door.
I was watching that thirty for thirty on the Pacers
and the Knicks with Reggie Miller and John Starks, and
you saw some of those schools, like the Pacers would.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Get seventy eight points.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
It was almost like first team to ninety points would
win win those games. But it was it was exciting
and intense. It wasn't necessarily great basketball, but it was
like so physical and that I don't know, did the
commissioner have this light go off and say, aesthetically, this
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isn't a this isn't good basketball because Cleveland. I remember
Mike Furtello and pat Riley with the Knicks. They love
that physicality with that but I don't know. Was there
an edict that said, we have to make this more
open and let these great athletes be great athletes again.
Speaker 12 (31:44):
Well, remember this specifically, go back to nineteen ninety five
where Reggie does the eight points and nine and a
half seconds in the scores for where they were. The
next year, the NBA moved the three point line up
from twenty three nine to maybe twenty two to six
for the next two seasons, and then they moved the
line back again.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
To and pre scoring.
Speaker 12 (32:04):
So that was one of those things. And then the
Detroit Pistons, the forty eight minutes of Hell team came
and was holding teams under seventy points.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
And then the next year you got to see the
handshake and removed.
Speaker 12 (32:15):
Steve Nash won two MVPs for seven seconds of Les
Ganti Sons, and that's where he started to see sort
of the evolution of the game. Michael Jordan finds a
way to cure all ills, and Michael.
Speaker 15 (32:27):
Jordan's the pacer get on marriage, what's going on? That's
why thirty points. Then it looks a lot different than
thirty points. When he gave me the numbers from there,
they say such on such a better right and hob
I say, wow, how.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Would Steve Nash be in today's game.
Speaker 12 (32:42):
If Steve nat realized that he had the green like
to shoot more? And I think it as opposed to
being an eighteen and thirteen guy or a sixteen and
twelve guy, if he turned into like a twenty three,
twenty two and eleven guy, Steve Nash might have a
championship bringer too.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
In his jewelry case. I think he would be.
Speaker 12 (32:58):
I think the point guards to previous when you talk
about the Steve Nashes that Jason kidds, of course, you know, the.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Isaiahs and magics.
Speaker 12 (33:05):
Those guys would be so much better in today's game,
not because of shooting, but because the room isn't plucked.
They're getting to the land and getting layups all day
because you have to guard from thirty feet out and
you don't have one big un at the rim let
alone to read.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I remember coaches would tell me that they had to
yell at Steve Nash to shoot. Imagine you have to
tell somebody to shoot because he didn't shoot enough. And
they said, you know, now you're hurting us that you're
not shooting enough. And he was a a ninety fifty
forty guy. I think before we even thought what a
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ninety to fifty forty guy was, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 12 (33:47):
He was amazingly efficient and sometimes when you take more
volume of shots, the efficiency goes on. Some people are
so married to you know, whatever the numbers are, that
they you know, they don't worry about winning the game,
to worry.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
About winning the statistic battle. I don't think Steve Nash
was like. I think Steve Nash was a hard those competitor.
Speaker 12 (34:05):
And when you have Sean Marry and Mario Startamar and
those guys who needed to be fed at the ball,
you get more into a passive point of view. But
it makes a better offense if you wind up getting
up the court and you're trying to get limbs and
you're driving the score as opposed to driving the pass,
because sooner or later the defense catches up to that
and they play you for the pass as supposed to
playing you for it.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Threat.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
What would Barkley be like today?
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Illegal? Because who's garden though? Dan?
Speaker 12 (34:33):
Who's guarding a six foot six, lightly quick athletic three four?
Remember Charles played a lot of three in his latter
days in Philly, where he played with Rick mchurran and
Mike Jaminski, and he almost won MVP in nineteen and
nined playing a small forward. If you gave Charles Barkley
and open the floor, you said, Charles Barkley, the three
point shot is a shot that we have to take.
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Then you, if you play up on them, drives to
the basket. If he posts up the floor spread, you
can't double them. If you tell them, Charles gonna be
fifty from you to night. That's what you got. The
only hope is that he Charles, you got to play
deep best. Can you get it to a stand and
you rotate? That's the only question.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
As Charles has told me many times, as long as
Larry Bird's in the league, I won't be the worst
defensive guy.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Wow.
Speaker 12 (35:21):
Hey, look there's a play near and deer to a
lot of Detroit talks that Larry Bird was a pretty
damn good defensive player.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
So I'll take a little umbrage on that.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Well, sometimes, you know, you look at Lebron and I
could say five greatest plays of his career. One is
going to be the chase down block on Ego Dala.
I can talk about Michael Jordan's five greatest plays the
steal against Karl Malone that's set up the game winning
shot that won, you know, the game in Utah, which
we thought was his final game. And then Larry Bird
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with a steel against the Piston. So great players making
great plays, but making great plays at both ends of
the floor.
Speaker 12 (35:58):
Well remember that All Jazz game six with Chicago was
on a Sunday, and I all it wasn't the reference.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
But the mailman don't deliver.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
On Okay, all right, all right?
Speaker 2 (36:11):
He like, no, No, that's something that Fritzy would have said.
He would have said that, and I always said time
you're better than that.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
Well I am. I am a detroiter.
Speaker 12 (36:21):
And Karl Malone knocked Isaiah Thomas's head wide open with
forty somethings stitches because the catch scorch John stopping in
the aftermath of the Dream Team stuff. Well, I don't
really have a whole lot of level Calo, I say
it like that.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Good to talk to you again, Thank you, Vincent, always Dan,
that's Vincent Goodwill. He's covering the NBA Finals from Yahoo
Sports always good. As Marvin says, we get into the crates,
that means that we we delve into the.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Archives with the NBA. Absolutely all right.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Well take a break. Phone calls coming out uh final hour.
John Buchagraz from the mother Ship covering the Stanley Cup Final,
and Big Shot Bob.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Will join us as well. We're back after this.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAP.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
This just in.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Karl Anthony Towns has undergone treatment for a bruise left
knee and he has some ligament damage on his left finger,
sources told The Mothership. Both injuries suffered during the next
playoff run. By the way, I have odds for next
year to win the championship.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Let me see if I can find these things. I
need a secretary over here to help me with all
the things I've got here. Nowhere is no, it's not there,
it's not there. Here it is.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I got him NBA title odds next year the favorite
is ok. See then it's two teams tied for second
place best odds to win the title next year.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Marvin, I'm gonna start with you Celtics. No, Paul, what
that was my guest? All right? Wow? Todd Minnesota. No, Seaton.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Uh, well, considering the Celtics is the right answer, but wrong.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
How about the Cavaliers.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
No, it's the Thunder and then tied for second the
Pacers and the Knicks. That's the expectation level just went
up a notcher two. So it's Nixon Pacers, then it's Minnesota,
and then it's Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Did they fire their head coach and their odds improved?
Speaker 3 (38:43):
I think so, yes, Paul.
Speaker 6 (38:46):
This has to do with Tatum's injury. Yeah, but like
I thought, this was one of those where he'll be
back mid season, early season.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Wow, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Time to play fill in the blank? Do we have
music for filling the bl I don't know if we do.
But even if we don't, oh, we do. The New
York Knicks are blank. Todd delusional, Seaton exact same, Marvin.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
Gambling, Paul always reactionary.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Tom Thibodeau with thirty million dollars on the way, should
do blank next?
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Todd kick back for a while, seatan nothing, Marvin vacations,
Paul coach Pepperdine. Coach Pepperdine, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Say oh, I'm rooting for the Colorado Rockies. The Colorado
Rockies to Blank Todd improve quickly, Seatan be historically bad,
Marvin be the worst. Paul win a lot Stanley Cup Final.
I'm rooting for Todd, the Edmonton Oilers, Seaton, Edmonton Oilers, Marvin,
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Leon Dreysidel of course Edmonton, Yes, Paulie, the country of Canada.
If I played hockey, position would be blank Todd.
Speaker 8 (40:01):
The anti enforcer, trying to break up fights and keep
the peace.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
You'd go in there calmly.
Speaker 8 (40:09):
Come on, guys, you didn't mean to smack you in
the jar with an accident.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Come on, Seaton, what about you want to be in
the net all right? Marvin wherever Gretzky played, Paul goaltender
Robert ORI's career is blank Todd highlight slash, moment driven
setan legendary Marvin Basketball Hall of Fame worthy, Paul Unicornish
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plastic surgery is blank Todd risky in vain.
Speaker 16 (40:39):
But could boost one self esteem. Perhaps, seatan perfectly fine
option Marvin for rich folks, folly a slippery slope. Yeah,
because once you do a little bit, it's like tattoos.
If you're going to do a little and then you
do a little more, and then you do a little
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more and then you never stop that potato chips.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Yeah, thank you to.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Two Hours in the Books, Man goes by when you're
having fun with your friends, and Todd, I know.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
You took a shot first hour. I did rightfully sell
them and I came back rightfully.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
So very competitive.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I am extremely competitive, all right, John Butcher, Gross, he's
coming up. And Robert or or oh jungle Love. Two
Hours in the books. One more to go, let's go,
come on, let's get together, come on now, come on,
let's go, let's go.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Come on. One, two, three, can coon y'all
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Good but not good enough which describes us, but maybe
Tom Thibodeau as well. Eight seven to seven to three
DP Show Email Addressdpatdanpatrick dot com, Twitter or handle at
DP show. Good morning if you're watching on Peacock or
listening on our radio affiliates around the country. Good but
not good enough with Tom Thibodeau got your team to
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the Eastern Conference Finals, probably against a few odds, but
the fact that you had home court advantage against the Pacers,
and it almost felt like a foregone conclusion with the
environment in New York City, that city was ready to
explode with the next going and playing for a championship,
and that it didn't happen. You lose game one at
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the buzzer, and then you lose Game two, then all
of a sudden, we're not going to the NBA Finals.
When does management decide that Tom Thibodeau is not the
right guy for the job. Was it that game one
and then game two? Was it when he went to
his bench finally, or was it when they got eliminated,
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or maybe it was earlier. But you can't give your
coach a thirty million dollar contract extension just about a
year ago, and then all of a sudden move on
from him.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Actually you can't, Actually you can't. Just did Yes, you did?
All right? I have a poll question.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Stat of the day has always brought you by Panini America,
the official trading cards of the program, seat and doing
the honors. With the poll question, let's recap hour one
and what do you have in store for hour two?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Yeah, we put up there the Knicks are nutsy or
gutsy by firing their head coach. Right now, eighty three
percent are saying.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
NUTSI NUTSI okay, they're nutsy.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
What are we going to go with? An hour two?
Hour two?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
So glad that you asked, we are going with. We
just had one here sent over from Paul, kind of
out of the blue. If you could get one plastic
surgery of your choice on the house, what would it be?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Paul?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Would you like to elaborate on what you're thinking of
having a nipped in time?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
What do you think needs to be done to you?
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Paul?
Speaker 6 (02:12):
Me, No, I overheard a conversation the bros all of
us were just discussing random people getting plastic surgery.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah, the Kardashians, and.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
We brought this topic up every five or six years,
and now we're getting a little bit older. Would anyone
get one any type of improvement surgery?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Well, I'll start with you.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
Uh my nose, I broke it years ago. If it
was on the house, I would get my uh nose fixed.
I broke it like in ninth grade or something.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Okay, the old deviated broke my nose.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Got to get it fixed.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
Times it wasn't debian septim. I got beat up some
bigger than face.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
All right, Okay, I fixed this broken nose from thirty
years ago.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, I would. I would.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I had a couple of friends and they got nose jobs,
but then they had deviated septems.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
So I don't know what a deviated septim is.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I don't know, but it's a good excuse to get
your nose done. I know a few girls in high
school that had deviated septoms. Yeah, got their nose taken
care of. What about you, Marvin, what would you change?
Speaker 7 (03:24):
I love the way it just uh you know what.
It wouldn't be anything like skin. I'd get like new teeth,
like veneers.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Veneers, Okay, like Rex Ryan vneers. Don't go too white. Okay,
that's what happens.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I won't go too quat guys.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Guys get when they get older and then they get
veneers and they always have that really really bright smile.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
It is like we have a couple of people that
have been guests on our show. You see him, You're.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, Todd, what would you change?
Speaker 8 (04:01):
Maybe some kind of tummy talk. I know there's diet,
and there's exercise, and there's all kinds of injections out there,
and you know where one day, if you're even five
pounds overweight, everyone's going to look at you like an alien.
Everyone's skinny except.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
For your exercise is free.
Speaker 8 (04:12):
Yeah that's true. But I'm saying like, if I can
change right now and not wait a year and a
half for an injection or something like that, I just
wanted to starting tomorrow to look a lot better than
I would. If you're making me pick one, i'd say,
tightened the waist and hipps.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not forcing you to pick. I'm
just having fun. Yeah, it's okay, you don't have to
do it.
Speaker 8 (04:30):
I would I would like to be smaller in the
waist and hips area seating.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
What would you do?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Because we have offered to pay for hair plugs or
a hair people.
Speaker 8 (04:38):
I'm kind of fine with the hair thing.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Just just wear I would I had, I'd be fine
with it too. You know, it's an air of confidence, Satan.
What about you?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Maybe if I started losing my hair, I might get
that taken care of. I don't know if that counts
as plastic surgery.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yeah, but what do you got now? Your hair? You got?
You got good moss? Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I don't really have something that I'm like, Man, I
would really love to change that because if I, if
I did, I would m okay, you know I wouldn't.
I wouldn't be like if I really hated my nose
or something, I would just get my nose fixed and
be like, yeah, yeah, I got my nose done, No
big deal.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Mine got broken playing basketball?
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Yeah, but I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Mine got broken at a concert once I got kicked
in the face.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Were you in a mosh pit? I was as a
great story. Actually, as a matter of fact, I was.
It was the.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Dropkick Murphy's on Saint Patrick's Day. They were playing in Actually,
my hometown in New Jersey, and uh, I was right
up front at the stage and I just turned to
see where my friend was and a boot went wang,
a big doc Martin smashed me right in the nose,
and the crowd picked me up and like floated me
to the like more towards the front of the stage
(05:50):
so security could grab me. And the lead singer Al
Barr was like singing and he saw me coming. I
was covered with blood and I could he's singing this
song and he's just shaking his head like, oh no,
look at this kid. And he pulled me up on stage,
put his arm around me. We sang like a line
of the song together, and then he pushed me back
off the stage. It was one of the coolest moments
of my life. True story. Yeah, yeah, he pushed off stage.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
And then you broke your arm and that's what I
broke my arm and then yeah, then I really had
to leave.
Speaker 8 (06:16):
Yes, you got drop kicked at the dropkick Murphy did.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, oh righty, okay, let me see Vincent Goodwill of
Y'aho Sports covers the NBA.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
He'll join us. The final start tomorrow night, and the
Stanley Cup Final starts tonight.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
With the rematch of Edmonton and Florida. I do have
the odds this morning. The favorite to be the next
Nick's head coach is Michael Malone, who coached Denver. Johnny Bryant,
did we find is he a Cavs assistant coach. I
don't know much about Johnny Bryant, but he's got the
second best odds, and then a distant third is Jay Wright,
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along with Mike Budenhozer, Rick Brunson Jalen Brunson's dad, and
Monty Williams is also in there. John Caliperi down the list.
Danny Hurley is there. Jeff Van Gundy is kind of
sneaky in my opinion. I always liked him as a
(07:20):
head coach. He's been an assistant coach for a while.
Of course, he was broadcasting for a long time. I
have to put Rick Patino on there, just because he's
Rick Pattino and he would take the job in a second.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yes, Don Johnny Bryan.
Speaker 8 (07:34):
Listed as a Cavs associate head coach.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Associate head coach.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Okay, all right, but Michael Malone the probably the clubhouse
leader right now. But there'll be wide, you know, speculation
here Danny Hurley grew up a Knicks fan. He grew
up in Jersey City. That doesn't mean that he's right
for the job, or he should take the job. I
think he still should be in college for a little
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while longer. Yeah, he flirted with the Lake and probably
would have taken it, but his wife, I think talked
to him off the ledge to say no, let's let's
go back home. And I think he made the right decision, uh,
because he even said to me, I got to mature
a little bit. And you go into the Nick every game,
(08:18):
you're under the microscope every game. You know, at least
with Connecticut, you know, you're not followed by you know,
a large group of you know of reporters. I mean,
this is and he's a college guy, like his dad
was a high school guy, his brother college guy. But
just because you grew up a fan of the Knicks
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doesn't mean that you're the right guy for that job.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Now, could he do it?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Sure, he's a great coach, But I just think I
go back to Jerry West. Every single loss affected him
as a player, as a coach, as a GM every
loss he got to the point where he couldn't watch
He couldn't sit down and watch them, and the Lakers
(09:06):
were great. I mean, imagine if he was, you know,
watching a really bad team. He's got the Lakers and
they're competing and winning championships, but every single loss hurt.
And it feels like that's the same way with Danny Hurley.
Now at Yukon, you're not losing that many games in
the NBA. You're going to lose a few and when
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you get into the postseason and then all of a sudden,
these losses and then people want answers. I mean, Yukon,
you know, didn't play well this past season, but I
don't know how many people are going Danny Hurley is
the issue. It was, Hey, sometimes that transfer portal gives
you gold. Sometimes you get lemon Sometimes you get lemonade.
(09:51):
And you got a Hall Pass because he's won a
couple of national titles. They're not going to give you
that Hall pass with the Knicks more than a year.
Yeah see, but it could be.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Partially the same problem with Danny Hurley's season at Yukon
and the Knicks.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
This year.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
You brought in the wrong dudes.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
You brought in a couple of the wrong guys that
have messed up the whole season.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well, I don't know if everybody was down on the
Karl Anthony town. I mean I didn't I wouldn't want him,
But I don't know if people looked at that and said, hey,
that's the missing piece here. I mean, obviously you made
that trade because you were missing something. I just don't
want a seven foot shooting guard. I mean, and he's
(10:40):
a very good offensive player. But in today's NBA then
there are a lot of good offensive players. I mean,
how many guys average at least.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Twenty a game.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Now, it's not a big deal, like you'll go, oh wow,
he averaged twenty. Yeah, you got to get guys who
do other things for you. You got to get depth.
You got to get guys who are versatile, a guy
who can be a spark off the bench. You gotta
get guys who are going to be do the dirty work.
You have to have those guys. And I just don't
think the Knicks had enough guys this year. Yes, see Marvin.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
Yeah, the NBA playoffs they expose teams like nobody else. Like,
you know what, I didn't know he could play defense.
Well guess what, now you're playing against the team six
times and not just one time, and then you're playing
a different team another night, so you're getting exposed. But
it's something we already knew about Karl Anthony Towns that
he can't play defense.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Carlos in La leads us off this hour. Hi, Carlos,
what's on your mind?
Speaker 9 (11:34):
Good morning dance shrinking five to ten and a biscuit
away from two Hundy.
Speaker 10 (11:41):
Hey, I just think that Tid's getting.
Speaker 9 (11:43):
A raw deal here, just like a lot of coaches
and across most sports, when the Knicks basically overachieved and
he's not getting the credit for what. You know, Why
is David Edelin not fired? I mean, he shouldn't be.
But it's the same situation. Same with Kenny Atkins, and
they both fell shorts.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Well, Adamman took over for Michael Malone like he was
there on an interim basis, and then they turned it
over to him. Thanks for the phone call Atkinson in Cleveland. Now,
they had injuries there. He was coach of the Year,
but they had injuries. I mean, same thing with Boston.
Do I think Boston was the best team in the
East if everybody's healthy, Yes, but they weren't like the
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Knicks don't have to apologize because they beat them, or
Cleveland was banged up. You don't have to apologize. Or
Dame Lillard wasn't able to play. You don't apologize, You
just move on. Yes, Ton, isn't it.
Speaker 8 (12:42):
Possible that players can say one thing publicly about how
much they love their coach and then in a private moment,
either together or talking to the front office separately, is
you know, bring up issues that they're not going to
want the word?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Are you saying that, Brunson?
Speaker 8 (12:55):
I'm saying that it's possible that not everyone is so
in love with with coach Tibbs as much as is.
Maybe they led on or at least in recent games
from this last.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Series, of course. I mean I could say, Todd, what
do you think of me right now?
Speaker 5 (13:09):
You're fabulous?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
And then you could go home and be complaining to
your wife about it.
Speaker 8 (13:13):
Asked, guys, I can't do anything, And.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
That's happened, hasn't it.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
I've had some.
Speaker 8 (13:17):
Words with my wife overdidd and a frustrating moment. You
nothing mean or terrible, just like frustration.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Okay, so that's a safe word. Publicly and privately. You
you were two different people.
Speaker 8 (13:27):
And I just wonder how significantly did you try to
have me replace did not get that far? Okay, all right,
but I have dreamed periodically, would it be like if
there was a different house in the chairs. That's I
don't know if that's the same thing or different.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
And this great, great timing after our twenty third anniversary.
Speaker 8 (13:43):
Twenty three years of a day today, baby, yeah, let's.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Go yeah real nice, Yeah, great timing. Yesterday was yesterday.
Now it's the anniversaries over every day's super Bowl time.
That's true, Paul and Iowa, Hi, Paul, what's on your
mind today?
Speaker 11 (13:59):
Hey?
Speaker 12 (13:59):
Dan?
Speaker 10 (13:59):
Well, first best of the midweek. It's a beautiful day
here for a baseball high school doubleheader in the only
sport in the Union that plays summer ball. But my
point to call in about today is that Michael Malone
is not going to turn Kat into joker. And you
gave the stat in the first.
Speaker 11 (14:16):
Hour that Tat had only one block in the entire series,
and that brought to my mind the stat that Wilt
Chamberlain never fouled out of a game in his career,
and it really holds you back having your best big
man give that defensive.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Effort Yeah, but I don't he's not going to change.
I don't think he's athletic. I think he's talented. There's
a difference in that. I think he's got a great touch.
He can shoot, you know, he can you know, beach
off the dribble occasionally. But you know, to play defense,
(14:52):
it takes different talents than it does to be a
great offensive player.
Speaker 7 (14:55):
Yes, Marvin, that's what we'll so with disappointing because TABS
is probably the orchestra of the best defense I've ever
seen in the oaight Celtics, where everybody bought in and
they played great team defense. I was like, why couldn't
the Knicks do that? Ray Allen wasn't known as a
great defender, neither was Paul Pierce. But those guys brought
into the system and played great team defense.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Well, nobody calls out Jalen Brunson because he can't play defense. Now,
I don't know why, but we call out Steph Curry
he can't play defense. Certain players you call him out,
they can't play defense. The joker, he can't play defense.
Luca Well, Luca can't play defense. Yes, Marvin Well.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
I think they came to a head for Steph Curry
in the twenty sixteen Finals, especially Game seven when Lebron
was like, Hey.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Ye, whoever Steph is guarding? Yeah, go at him? Yes,
it turned out to be Kyrie. All right, We'll take
a break.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Vinnie Goodwill Vincent Goodwill will join us on loan from
Yahoo Sports. Get his thoughts on why Tom Thibodeaux was
fired and who should be next.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Head coach in New York.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Also, big shot Bob robert Or will join us coming
up in an hour from now.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Take a break. We're back after this on the Dan
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Speaker 2 (17:17):
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(17:41):
XM NBA host as well. He'll be covering the NBA Finals.
All right, here's your question. Tom Chibodeaux was fired because
dot dot dot.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Then New York Knicks wanted to fire.
Speaker 12 (17:55):
I think we try to make things a lot more complicated.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Than they are.
Speaker 12 (17:59):
If we make the Eastern Conference Finals in the year
where nobody expected you to get out of the second round,
regardless of the circumstances, and you take out the defending
champions in the decisive six game series, and that's not
enough for you to keep your job, that meant that
nothing was going to enable you to keep your job.
You can talk about the Knicks roster and how top
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heavy they are. They are second Apron team, and I
think that is something Dan that we don't talk about
as much. When you look at the Phoenix Suns and
the Milwaukee Bucks, some of those teams that are in
those second aprons, those very relative investment heavy. You know,
parts of the CBA, the expectations are championship and even
if the roster doesn't look like a championship, the investment
(18:43):
of the money says we expect you to deliver a championship. Now,
maybe Tom Thibodeau took this team as far as it
can go. If you need a more innovative offensive.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Mind.
Speaker 12 (18:54):
You know there was a lot of chemistry issues that
looked like between Carl Anthony Townsend Jalen Brunson. But I
asked you, Dan, when was the last time.
Speaker 15 (19:01):
You've seen an NBA champion that had defensive issions at
the point of attack with the point guard and.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
At the real with the center, and you won a championship.
Speaker 12 (19:09):
I don't know if God himself could have worked the
magic that Tom Thibodeau was asked to work in these playoffs.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So you're saying then they overachieved with Tom Thibodeau not
underachieved in these playoffs.
Speaker 12 (19:24):
Yes, absolutely, I don't look at well. I would say
this to the fans. Did you know that Landry Shammit
and Delon Wright were actually in the NBA when Tom
Thibodeau threw them out there? Now you can say Tips
didn't develop his bench and everything else and depth in
today's game wins. When you look at the Oklahoma City Thunder,
you look at the Ndiana pationis the two teams playing
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in the NBA Finals.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
You are absolutely correct.
Speaker 12 (19:48):
But when you build a team that says Michel Bridges,
We're going to pay five first round picks for you,
and then we bring in Ognob before that, and then
on the Evil training camp we traded for Carl Anthony.
Speaker 11 (19:58):
Times.
Speaker 12 (19:59):
You don't have the to develop a bench, and I
know Tipps should have developed a bench better, but I
can't think of a coach being fired because of supplementary players.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Now if you tell me that.
Speaker 12 (20:11):
Jalen Brunts and Carl Thomas of the Keil Bridges went
into a reading individually with Jim Dolan and said, we
know what you're thinking. Maybe this isn't the guy that
help us move forward. Okay, fine, because this is a
totally different team than the team Tips took over all
those years ago. It's a much more talented offensively Bay's
team and maybe that's the reason. But either way, that's
(20:31):
what Dan We've all find out because Punk's of Tony
Field will never come out of his shadow.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
And I'm talking about Leon Road. We never see that man.
Speaker 12 (20:39):
I will be bald headed, but we never see Leon
Rose in public again. And let me tell you all,
I got a good hairline still.
Speaker 14 (20:46):
See.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I think that if you make a move, you fire
a coach or hire a coach, you should get in
front of the media. You got the media capital of
the world, New York City. You made the move. If
I'm a fan, I would like to at least have answer,
what was it that we didn't get and what are
you bringing in now? He might show up if they
bring in Michael Malone, take a victory lap, and then
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maybe they don't ask questions about Tom Thibodeaux.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
But you got to get in front of the media here, right, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 12 (21:17):
Absolutely, And I'm surprised that Nick fans, well, for one,
Nick fans don't like the media. Nobody likes the big
bad media. So when the media says, hey, there's a
need for public accountability, you know, you can look at
that a lot of different spheres of our world today.
Nobody likes the media when they got that accountability is necessary.
But let me say to this point, even if you
(21:38):
go hire with Michael Malone, what is the difference between
Michael Malone.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
And Tom Thibodeau.
Speaker 12 (21:44):
Wasn't Michael Malone hired in a large part because of
his inability to work with the front office to develop
young players.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Isn't that one of the complaints about Tom Thibodeau.
Speaker 12 (21:54):
Don't they come from the same New York sort of
free the tree of NBA coaches.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
I feel like they're kind of similar.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Do you think they know who they're hiring.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
No, I don't think they know who they're hiring.
Speaker 12 (22:08):
I think and I don't necessarily know if you have
to know who you're hiring. I don't think this is
the case of when the Pistmas fired Brig Carlisle in
two thousand and three, they knew they had Larry Brown
in their back pocket and they want to win the
championship the next season to validate it.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
I don't think this is that.
Speaker 12 (22:24):
I think they are walking in this with a relatively
open mind. You see the list of guys, even some
coaches who are feeling the contract they owe Tom Thibodeaux
thirty million dollars.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
I will say this, and I'm gonna go back to
firing of tips.
Speaker 12 (22:37):
When you fire a coach for thirty million dollars left
on this deal and you're willing to eat that.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
It's not just the owner, because I've.
Speaker 12 (22:44):
Heard three hours before, Hey it's Tom thiberto say and
someone told me, two people told me inside that building,
close to that building. They said, unless Dolan wants to
So I don't thinking with Jim Dolan. I don't think
it was just the players in those closes door. It
means I think they had long made this decision, and
I don't think they had necessarily a list of who
(23:05):
they had in front of them exposed.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Donalist I think. I don't think it's gonna be Jay Ryden.
I feel it's gonna be Ji back gunned do or
anything like that. I think it's the New York Vicks
being the New York Vicks.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
What about Danny Hurley?
Speaker 5 (23:19):
Have you seen Danny Hurley on the sideline?
Speaker 3 (23:21):
I know, I know, my job is just to ask
the question.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I didn't want to ask a question and give an answer,
So you don't.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Want to you don't want to lead the witness.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
No, no, no, It's something that's unique in this business.
Doesn't happen very often where the host just asked the question,
doesn't ask answer, and then to ask, so what about
Danny Hurley.
Speaker 12 (23:42):
I don't believe that Danny Hurley has the sort of temperament.
An eighty two game season, the scrutiny of the New
York media, and then the NBA playoffs. You are at
the point now where reaching the conference finals is the
floor where it's like that girl always dated and when
we first met, she said, the bar is the floor.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
You don't have to do much. I have to change
for you who grig The bar is a.
Speaker 12 (24:08):
Lot higher now for them and how they have to move.
So you have to be careful about what type of
coach you bring in because there's the scrutiny, because it's
the Dolan factor, because it's worldwide Wars. Maybe Rick Brunson,
you know Leon Rose. It's all these different factions inside
the building. And again I ask you what championship coach
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the coach Karl Tower defending the round and Jalen Brunton
and being an out right so a legative factor on
defense at the point of a touch I Doe and
Jalen Brunton at six peaks zero pm. There's so much
of a team's offense. If you're talking about Knicks, player
is not sure what their role is. He has so
much of a disproportionate value on the offense being run.
(24:51):
I don't think they talk about that. He's like James Harten,
He's like Luca Danton and guys around that have a
hard time playing. So I don't even offensively, you have
the philosophy for the skin to build a championship team.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Talking to Vincent Goodwill, Yeaho's sports senior NBA writer, I
did laugh at the end of the year. You know,
after they get eliminated, people now start pointing out that
Karl Anthony Towns can't play defense. And I'm thinking, did
anybody watch him prior to getting to New York. He
doesn't play defense. I don't know if he tries that.
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That'd be even sadder if he was. If he was
actually trying to play defense, I'd rather just go with
I'll use my energy on the offensive end.
Speaker 12 (25:37):
Well, you guys played Princess seventeen days coming in Princess,
one of Prince's favorite musicians with she leave with the bongos.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
That's what Karl Anthony Towns does when he's playing. He's
just back too upside the head. And this said, you
know why I did that, And you're right. We saw
Paul Towns with.
Speaker 12 (25:56):
Rudy Go there in Minnesota. They surrounded him with defensive players.
It was a dog on defense day. Mcdamis is a
dog on defense. You have to surround him with players
at all different levels that sort of mitigate what he
does because.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
He's not going to change. He's ten years in.
Speaker 12 (26:11):
He's a wildly efficient offensive player, a wildly talented offensive player.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
But also Jalen Brunston.
Speaker 12 (26:18):
Had a grand total DAN of five assists the Carl
Anthony Towns in the Eastern Conference Finals.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Something is not working with the mix with those two.
Speaker 12 (26:28):
Prol played his best when Brunson was on the bench,
and then when Brunton's on the bench, Probab gets you
a foul though, All.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Right, NBA Finals, tell me how long? Yeah, that's happening,
rumor has it? Do you think the Knicks make the
announcement of the next head coach during the NBA Finals.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
David Stern was always had a problem. Don't take away
from the finals. But I don't know if you know
this commissioner cares or the Knicks care. But will they
hire their head coach by.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
The end of the NBA Finals, I'm.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Not sure if you know.
Speaker 12 (27:06):
Emperor Stern is much more of than a thiritarian figure
than Adam Silver, who's a little bit more on the
diplomatic side.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
Right, if you're assuming that the NBA.
Speaker 12 (27:18):
Finals go longer than five games, maybe, but the NBA
Finals stretch out for like two weeks.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
I had to pack like seventy.
Speaker 12 (27:23):
Five finals, work with work, the problems and stuff to
carry here. But to answer your question, Dan, seriously.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
I wouldn't be surprised if the Knicks. I don't think
the Knicks chare. You don't think I don't think James
Dolan cares. And like we say, Leon rules doesn't have
to be a common with anything.
Speaker 12 (27:37):
Nobody publicly or maybe even privately when these things come out.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
But I think if they find their guy, if their guys.
Speaker 12 (27:44):
Out there and he's not coaching in this series, and
I don't think that he is, you go ahead and
you make the announcement, you get it out and whatever
Adam Silver says.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
They don't care the league. They gonna tell you this.
The Knicks get a thing with the league's office. Sid
the league.
Speaker 12 (28:00):
Doesn't even have to went black Burners, they should against
the leader are going to inspire.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Okay, how do the Pacers win the series? Not make
it a series? Win the series?
Speaker 12 (28:12):
Lockshak gilges Alexander up like that movie with Damon Wayne's DNA.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
And hopense like that. No, I think offense is the
key here in the mor League. We say when you
get TNBA violence is about defense and stopping the other team.
You're not going to stop the Oklam citygub. You're not
going to stop Shape given us.
Speaker 12 (28:30):
Alexander from being fouled with least baiting direction. To believe
they can stole, you have to press the pace. Harris
Halliburner is by bark the most important player in this series.
The one mistake that Anthony Ellis made with the one
development in his game is that you got to see
what he gave up the ball. You knew exactly where
he was because he was not moving about it. That
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enable Obama City's defense to keep an eye the arms
on him. Harris Halliburton has a steaming glass kind of
quality where he can be a different points on the
floor where you have to accompliy him for different players.
If he can get this Oklahoma City defense mixed up
and twisted up with we actually I'm not saying it,
then maybe you have a better chance. Remember the different
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Nuggets on Lakole Yokis and they took this team seven
the games and they get blown out in the game seven.
But the games that they want, they shot the ball
extremely well and they played flawless basketball down the stretch.
We've seen the Indiana Pacers have come back victories against.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Cleveland and against the lew York Blicks, where.
Speaker 12 (29:32):
They defied the odds and came back and played flawless
basketball in the last two minutes after hanging around.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
From being down twenty, of being doul ten, whatever the
case may be.
Speaker 12 (29:40):
And Rick Carlock is a wizard of a coach, so
why it doesn't seem likely that is the path.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Hyris Halliverton has to be a monster in this series.
The Pacers have to shoot what they shot against the Knicks.
We go over thirty nine percent, which is I hurt
you million? The number. They have to shoot well into the.
Speaker 12 (29:55):
Forties and you have to win the crunch time manage
and even then I don't oh for sure they win
the series.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
And go back to the Knicks. For this question, what
do you think about Rick Battino coaching the Knicks?
Speaker 5 (30:10):
You I'm jumping back to the way back. I mean,
is he bringing Billy Donovan back with him? Is he
bringing you know, Patrick Dewey and those eighty nine and
kicks when they chat to the path fok, that's a
great question.
Speaker 12 (30:21):
I don't know if Jeff Van Gundy is being answered.
I don't know if Rick Patino, who is what we
gotta be worth seventy six, seventy seven years old, if
he has the stamina to do that, and the words
of Rick Patino and the press conference maybe twenty five
years ago, Patrick Dewey at walcome through that Charles Oakley
and walking.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Through that door. You know, Charles Opie will ain't walking
through that door Rick.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Allowed to walk through exactly. He literally can't walk through
that door. They won't let him walk through that door.
I was watching that thirty for thirty on the Pacers
and the Knicks with Reggie Miller and John Starks, and
you saw some of those schools, like the Pacers would.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Get seventy eight points.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
It was almost like first team to ninety points would
win win those games. But it was it was exciting
and intense. It wasn't necessarily great basketball, but it was
like so physical and that I don't know, did the
commissioner have this light go off and say, aesthetically, this
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isn't a this isn't good basketball because Cleveland. I remember
Mike Furtello and pat Riley with the Knicks. They love
that physicality with that but I don't know. Was there
an edict that said, we have to make this more
open and let these great athletes be great athletes again.
Speaker 12 (31:44):
Well, remember this specifically, go back to nineteen ninety five
where Reggie does the eight points and nine and a
half seconds in the scores for where they were. The
next year, the NBA moved the three point line up
from twenty three nine to maybe twenty two to six
for the next two seasons, and then they moved the
line back again.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
To and pre scoring.
Speaker 12 (32:04):
So that was one of those things. And then the
Detroit Pistons, the forty eight minutes of Hell team came
and was holding teams under seventy points.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
And then the next year you got to see the
handshake and removed.
Speaker 12 (32:15):
Steve Nash won two MVPs for seven seconds of Les
Ganti Sons, and that's where he started to see sort
of the evolution of the game. Michael Jordan finds a
way to cure all ills, and Michael.
Speaker 15 (32:27):
Jordan's the pacer get on marriage, what's going on? That's
why thirty points. Then it looks a lot different than
thirty points. When he gave me the numbers from there,
they say such on such a better right and hob
I say, wow, how.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Would Steve Nash be in today's game.
Speaker 12 (32:42):
If Steve nat realized that he had the green like
to shoot more? And I think it as opposed to
being an eighteen and thirteen guy or a sixteen and
twelve guy, if he turned into like a twenty three,
twenty two and eleven guy, Steve Nash might have a
championship bringer too.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
In his jewelry case. I think he would be.
Speaker 12 (32:58):
I think the point guards to previous when you talk
about the Steve Nashes that Jason kidds, of course, you know, the.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Isaiahs and magics.
Speaker 12 (33:05):
Those guys would be so much better in today's game,
not because of shooting, but because the room isn't plucked.
They're getting to the land and getting layups all day
because you have to guard from thirty feet out and
you don't have one big un at the rim let
alone to read.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I remember coaches would tell me that they had to
yell at Steve Nash to shoot. Imagine you have to
tell somebody to shoot because he didn't shoot enough. And
they said, you know, now you're hurting us that you're
not shooting enough. And he was a a ninety fifty
forty guy. I think before we even thought what a
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ninety to fifty forty guy was, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 12 (33:47):
He was amazingly efficient and sometimes when you take more
volume of shots, the efficiency goes on. Some people are
so married to you know, whatever the numbers are, that
they you know, they don't worry about winning the game,
to worry.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
About winning the statistic battle. I don't think Steve Nash
was like. I think Steve Nash was a hard those competitor.
Speaker 12 (34:05):
And when you have Sean Marry and Mario Startamar and
those guys who needed to be fed at the ball,
you get more into a passive point of view. But
it makes a better offense if you wind up getting
up the court and you're trying to get limbs and
you're driving the score as opposed to driving the pass,
because sooner or later the defense catches up to that
and they play you for the pass as supposed to
playing you for it.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Threat.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
What would Barkley be like today?
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Illegal? Because who's garden though? Dan?
Speaker 12 (34:33):
Who's guarding a six foot six, lightly quick athletic three four?
Remember Charles played a lot of three in his latter
days in Philly, where he played with Rick mchurran and
Mike Jaminski, and he almost won MVP in nineteen and
nined playing a small forward. If you gave Charles Barkley
and open the floor, you said, Charles Barkley, the three
point shot is a shot that we have to take.
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Then you, if you play up on them, drives to
the basket. If he posts up the floor spread, you
can't double them. If you tell them, Charles gonna be
fifty from you to night. That's what you got. The
only hope is that he Charles, you got to play
deep best. Can you get it to a stand and
you rotate? That's the only question.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
As Charles has told me many times, as long as
Larry Bird's in the league, I won't be the worst
defensive guy.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Wow.
Speaker 12 (35:21):
Hey, look there's a play near and deer to a
lot of Detroit talks that Larry Bird was a pretty
damn good defensive player.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
So I'll take a little umbrage on that.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Well, sometimes, you know, you look at Lebron and I
could say five greatest plays of his career. One is
going to be the chase down block on Ego Dala.
I can talk about Michael Jordan's five greatest plays the
steal against Karl Malone that's set up the game winning
shot that won, you know, the game in Utah, which
we thought was his final game. And then Larry Bird
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with a steel against the Piston. So great players making
great plays, but making great plays at both ends of
the floor.
Speaker 12 (35:58):
Well remember that All Jazz game six with Chicago was
on a Sunday, and I all it wasn't the reference.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
But the mailman don't deliver.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
On Okay, all right, all right?
Speaker 2 (36:11):
He like, no, No, that's something that Fritzy would have said.
He would have said that, and I always said time
you're better than that.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
Well I am. I am a detroiter.
Speaker 12 (36:21):
And Karl Malone knocked Isaiah Thomas's head wide open with
forty somethings stitches because the catch scorch John stopping in
the aftermath of the Dream Team stuff. Well, I don't
really have a whole lot of level Calo, I say
it like that.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Good to talk to you again, Thank you, Vincent, always Dan,
that's Vincent Goodwill. He's covering the NBA Finals from Yahoo
Sports always good. As Marvin says, we get into the crates,
that means that we we delve into the.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Archives with the NBA. Absolutely all right.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Well take a break. Phone calls coming out uh final hour.
John Buchagraz from the mother Ship covering the Stanley Cup Final,
and Big Shot Bob.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Will join us as well. We're back after this.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAP.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
This just in.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Karl Anthony Towns has undergone treatment for a bruise left
knee and he has some ligament damage on his left finger,
sources told The Mothership. Both injuries suffered during the next
playoff run. By the way, I have odds for next
year to win the championship.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Let me see if I can find these things. I
need a secretary over here to help me with all
the things I've got here. Nowhere is no, it's not there,
it's not there. Here it is.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I got him NBA title odds next year the favorite
is ok. See then it's two teams tied for second
place best odds to win the title next year.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Marvin, I'm gonna start with you Celtics. No, Paul, what
that was my guest? All right? Wow? Todd Minnesota. No, Seaton.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Uh, well, considering the Celtics is the right answer, but wrong.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
How about the Cavaliers.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
No, it's the Thunder and then tied for second the
Pacers and the Knicks. That's the expectation level just went
up a notcher two. So it's Nixon Pacers, then it's Minnesota,
and then it's Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Did they fire their head coach and their odds improved?
Speaker 3 (38:43):
I think so, yes, Paul.
Speaker 6 (38:46):
This has to do with Tatum's injury. Yeah, but like
I thought, this was one of those where he'll be
back mid season, early season.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Wow, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Time to play fill in the blank? Do we have
music for filling the bl I don't know if we do.
But even if we don't, oh, we do. The New
York Knicks are blank. Todd delusional, Seaton exact same, Marvin.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
Gambling, Paul always reactionary.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Tom Thibodeau with thirty million dollars on the way, should
do blank next?
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Todd kick back for a while, seatan nothing, Marvin vacations,
Paul coach Pepperdine. Coach Pepperdine, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Say oh, I'm rooting for the Colorado Rockies. The Colorado
Rockies to Blank Todd improve quickly, Seatan be historically bad,
Marvin be the worst. Paul win a lot Stanley Cup Final.
I'm rooting for Todd, the Edmonton Oilers, Seaton, Edmonton Oilers, Marvin,
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Leon Dreysidel of course Edmonton, Yes, Paulie, the country of Canada.
If I played hockey, position would be blank Todd.
Speaker 8 (40:01):
The anti enforcer, trying to break up fights and keep
the peace.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
You'd go in there calmly.
Speaker 8 (40:09):
Come on, guys, you didn't mean to smack you in
the jar with an accident.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Come on, Seaton, what about you want to be in
the net all right? Marvin wherever Gretzky played, Paul goaltender
Robert ORI's career is blank Todd highlight slash, moment driven
setan legendary Marvin Basketball Hall of Fame worthy, Paul Unicornish
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plastic surgery is blank Todd risky in vain.
Speaker 16 (40:39):
But could boost one self esteem. Perhaps, seatan perfectly fine
option Marvin for rich folks, folly a slippery slope. Yeah,
because once you do a little bit, it's like tattoos.
If you're going to do a little and then you
do a little more, and then you do a little
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more and then you never stop that potato chips.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Yeah, thank you to.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Two Hours in the Books, Man goes by when you're
having fun with your friends, and Todd, I know.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
You took a shot first hour. I did rightfully sell
them and I came back rightfully.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
So very competitive.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I am extremely competitive, all right, John Butcher, Gross, he's
coming up. And Robert or or oh jungle Love. Two
Hours in the books. One more to go, let's go,
come on, let's get together, come on now, come on,
let's go, let's go.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Come on. One, two, three, can coon y'all
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