October 23, 2025 • 40 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
The Miami Heat guard Terry Rosier, and the Blazers head
coach Chauncey Billups also former NBA player Damon Jones among
those arrested and involved in one of the schemes. You
also have the Five Families in New York, and if
you're not familiar with them, it's well, you got that
Gambino Genevici, you got Lukesey, and they're apparently involved in
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backing rigged poker games, scamming victims out of hundreds of
thousands of dollars. Three of the more than thirty defendants
were indicted allegedly involved in both sports betting and fraudulent
gambling schemes during the poker games. In one of the
alleged schemes, those involved use technologies such as poker chip
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trey analyzers, and an X ray table that would read
the cards when they're faced down on the table. According
to prosecutors, victims allegedly scammed out of at least seven
million dollars in poker games. The FBI has its eyes
on the Italian organized crime families, specifically the La Cosa
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Nostra the five families in New York City. Officials dubbed
the NBA gambling scheme Investigation Operation nothing but net Operation
Royal Flush for the poker schemes. Come on, this is
out of a move. It's not a good Fellows goodfellas.
So they had the Operation Royal Flush. So this is
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the FBI having a press conference, hidden cameras, special eyeglasses,
X ray poker tables. I don't know the poker chip
tray analyzers. I'm gonna guess that. Well, No, I don't know.
I don't know what a poker chip tray analyzer is.
Hidden cameras, special contact lenses, or eyeglasses that can read
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pre marked cards. The X ray table could read cards
face down on the table. Three of the defendants involved
in both poker and also in sports betting Chauncey Billups.
He was one of those involved in the poker scheme
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and victims were allegedly referred to as phish. People had
no idea that everybody else at the table was in
on the scam. And I think the question is, did
Chauncey Billups lure people into a poker game knowing that
they were going to lose money? Now did he know
or not know? But games were backed by some of
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the mafia families here as well the NBA betting scheme.
Six arrests with that, So this is once again, this
isn't the NBA investigating this, this is the FBI, but
mob families apparently involved in widespread gambling cases. So that's
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what I've got right now. We'll have more on this
coming up in about fifteen minutes. A reporter for Front
Office Sports has been covering this, so we get a
better idea of it. Wow, so you at an X
ray table and you put your cards down and they're
able to tell you what you've got special contact lenses
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or glasses that you can read a marked card. Wow,
you're bringing people in. You know they got a lot
of money. Hey, we got a great poker game. You
got to get in on this. Sure. And then you
go in and you sit down and you probably at
some point have to go, why am I the only
one losing? Yeah? Why? Why do just me? Man? You
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guys are really lucky today?
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yes, Todd, imagine being so bold and brazen that you
can can hide every one of these piece of technology
and all these different things where this cheating going out
of No one is going.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
To pick up on it or see it at any point.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Wow, I'd love to see how this works. I would
love that I could see a table. I mean, this
is a movie script all of a sudden. Get Matt
Damon on, let's see if we can talk to him
about Rounders too, And get KGB on, Hey man, get
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John Malkovich on here, we can talk to him about this. Yes, Paul, you.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Know, if there's a bright side, it's nice to see
the five families working together on a new project harmoniously.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
They used to fight against each other, now they're teaming up.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah. God, this is wild, and you I thought it
was a normal Thursday.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
The NBA had three really nice days in a row,
a double overtime game, then Barkley and the crew is
back Wemby.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Last night all was well, Yeah, everything's great, except for
a coach in your league arrested in Chauncey Billups. All right,
we'll have more on this coming up in about twenty
minutes from now. Sunday night, Aaron Rodgers faces Green Bay
for the first time in his career. Steeler's host Jordan
(05:24):
Love in the pack. Sunday sevent Eastern on NBC and Peacock,
where you can find this show. Thank you for downloading
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brought to you by Patini America, the official trading cards
of the program. Wemby was great last night. He was
wonderful to watch, and he was going against a good
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front line. But he can go outside inside, he can
play offense, he can play defense, and just really figuring out.
I mean he hasn't stopped growing and filling out, but
aside from an injury, I mean, that's the future right there.
He is the future. I know there's a rapper called Future.
(06:06):
That's the NBA future right there. It doesn't seem you know,
when you're watching a Jurassic Park and you're going, oh
my god, look how run for your lives? He looked
like one of those Prannosaurus rexes or whatever. They're just like,
oh my god, look how he's moving fast. He's big.
(06:29):
He covers a lot of territory there.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Yeah, Marvin, could you ever think in two thousand and
seven you're gonna say, hey, Kevin Durant' is a six
eleven guy that can do everything. Hey, but in about
twenty years, this guy's gonna be seven to six that
can do everything and play deference from the perimeter to
the post.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Well, we might be saying that now about somebody twenty
years from now. Way, wait till twenty years from now.
Who knows what that player looks like.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Yes, Paulin, you'll appreciate this because you covered him, You
did a piece on him. Sean Bradley when he was
in BYU, who was like a both an outside and
inside guy at seven six, but he had nowhere near
the coordination of women Yama, nowhere near.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
But this is what I thought Ralph Samson could be.
And Ralph was seven to four. But once again, as
a big man, you weren't taught ball handling skills. You
were told to be down in the post, so you
didn't develop this. Now, these players, certainly the players overseas,
they go to academies to develop this. They're not going
to high school. They're going to academies. They're studying to
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be a professional athlete. And they developed these players so
they're ready to go to the NBA and they can
do ball handling footwork. I always marveled at kiem Elijauan.
He had some of the best footwork of anybody I've
ever seen in the NBA. But he was taught soccer
and therefore he had this footwork, and I think that's
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really important. It's very underrated. Your footwork is so important
just about every sport. And just had that coordination, but
you're allowed the luxury of being outside. In a million years,
somebody's seven to six and he's on the perimeter. My
high school coach would have been get inside, get down
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there on the block, and he'd be like, Okay, yeah, Marvin.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
That's why Maggie Johnson was so fascinating because he was
a point guard in the late seventies. Like what were
they doing at his high school and at Michigan State
telling him not to get into the post and be
a point guard?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I know, I know, Uh, co peasy in Palm Beach,
co peasy.
Speaker 7 (08:37):
Look, I know all right.
Speaker 8 (08:39):
Well, thank you for taking the call Midday, fellas, and
I appreciate you calling me back. Dan personally, I love
all rows. Happy with that. I did my research gambling
David is plucked seventy two and a half. Just so
that we know back in the day, also wenby Showa Tani.
(09:01):
That was the conversation I want to have hitting a
baseball and shrinking out ten. It's probably the most difficult
thing I could think about. But at the same time,
as Seaton says, the seven to four point guard, as
you were discussing, it's pretty incredible. Also, thank you Seating
for the Flacco T shirt. Timing is everything something to
(09:21):
it doesn't have. And I was wondering if you guys
saw the Michael Jordan free throw, because I really do
believe that he was actually nervous there.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, the videos come out, Yeah, I saw that where
GOODEO talked about that with Mike Turco, and it backs
up the story that he was at the Ryder Cup
and he hadn't shot a basketball in a long time,
and he was staying at a house owned by a
family and they're like, hey, this is the only thing
we want is would you shoot a free throw? And
you could see him going out there and he was nervous,
(09:55):
like you can see when he's done because these kids
didn't see him play. And then Mike's out there getting
ready to shoot a free throw and you're thinking it's
a free throw, should be a He's made free throws
with his eyeshot when he played, but he made his
free throw. But yeah, I did see the video Mike
(10:16):
and Wisconsin. Hi Mike, what's on your mind?
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
What up?
Speaker 7 (10:20):
Fellas?
Speaker 9 (10:21):
This gambling FBI investigation reminded me of you, Dan when
you arrested Paul Crewe in the Longest Yard, and I
wanted to ask you, of all the movies you've started,
if you had a favorite role or character that you portrayed.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, when I was the nightclub owner and just go
with it with Brooklyn Decker and Jennifer Aniston, Nicole Kidman,
Dave Dave Matthews was also there. No nominations, shocking, not
even a people's choice of war. But that was fun.
That was a That's the first time I ever felt
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like this is acting. And this is why I don't
want to do it because and I'll never forget this feeling.
I'm on stage and I'm starting to panic a little
bit because Sandler wants me to add lib. And I've
got Jennifer Aniston and Nicole Kidman. One's on my left
and so Aniston's on my left, Kidman's on my right,
and they're looking at me and in my mind, I'm
(11:19):
thinking they know I can't act. They know it, they
know it. And that's when I kind of I said
to Sandler, I said, Sam, can you hey come here
from it? And then I'm I'm asking him questions that
are just stupid questions because I'm trying to throw them
off the scent that I can't act. And then I
got my act together and then we're able to do
(11:42):
the scene, and I don't I'm sure they knew that
I couldn't act. I mean they thought that I was
devilishly handsome, which I get that you'd rather that, Yes,
I would have that. I didn't have to act handsome.
I was. It was just I couldn't act.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Yes, pay so you were acting like you can act.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yes, that's like a double yeah. Yeah, but I wasn't
full with anybody. Wasn't full anybody. But that was my
favorite role. But thank you, thank you for asking. I
don't know if it was Aniston and Kidman's favorite roles
that they were in, but yes, Martin.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
I loved when you were in That's My Boy TV's Random.
Morgan was very very good.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
He gave me a lot of freedom, gave me a
lot of freedom screen Time too. Yeah, gave me a
lot of freedom in Happy Go More Too. And sometimes
Sandler goes, Danny, here's the script, stay with the script,
and then other times ago Danny ad lib. Danny got
any lines you want to throw out, and so I
know that when I do that, that he's got a
lot of confidence in me. When we first started, he
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kind of said, although, when I arrest him in Longest Yard,
so it's right at the beginning of the movie, and
we pulled him over and we did five takes, and
Sandler had a different take each each time, so he
didn't go as scripted, and they the take that they
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took was he said something really funny, and I put
my hand up because I didn't think they were going
to use it in the movie. So here I am
a police officer arresting Sandler, and I put my hand
up and go that was that was good and Sandler
gave me a high five, and then they kept it
in the movie. But that was just Sandler going Danny
ad lib and I said, Okay, yeah, pull.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Imagine like a decade from now and they're honoring Nicole
Kidman at like one of those Kennedy Center honors, you know,
the big huh. Yeah, she's like, you know, my favorite
role was really surprise you all the time that just
go with it. It showed my range as a comedian.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I think my name was Dan Tanner, Dan Dan Tanner,
something like that. Sander wanted me to have a tan
and so I think that was my name. Danny Dan
Tanner gots a lot of money. Right now, you're going
you were Dan Tanner Patrick in that film, Yeah, Tanner Patrick.
When I went to Starbucks when the movie Happy to
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Go More two came out, Mike Pat Daniels, they actually
put it on my They usually put like a word
on your coffee cup, like enjoy or youm or whatever
it might be, and they put Pat Daniels on there.
I thought I'd finally They still charge me for the Starbucks,
but I thought I'd finally made it. Yes, Todd Dantown.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Was a private detective in the eighties for that TV
show Vegas. That's why you might have had that on
your mind.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
With a Bobby Urick, Yeah, the handsome Bobby Erck. Well,
we're going to Vegas in a couple of weeks by
the way out there for Formula one. We'll give you details.
You want to visit us. We'll be at the Fountain
Blue Hotel and out there trying to cover Formula one
and probably have some celebrities joining us as well.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Yes, Paul, you know those those F one drivers, they
got it pretty good.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
They do, Yeah, they do.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Every time I see those guys, they're at something like
a runway model and.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I want to be Lewis Hamilton. No, like it seems
like he does now. He doesn't win that much anymore.
Verse stopping is always the who seems in Lando? Norris
is that? Yeah? Yeah, I'm following a little bit here.
I'm gonna be an expert in a couple of weeks there,
I'm gonna be at F one. No, it all f you, Todd,
(15:12):
that's not necessarily I know it's not all right. Let
me take a break. Uh more phone calls coming up,
and uh more on this gambling probe by the FBI.
We'll get some more information coming up as well. We're
back after this Dan Patrick Show.
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Speaker 2 (16:06):
Prior to joining Front Office Sports, Ben Horny spent twelve
years at Law three sixty and he oversaw sports betting, mergers, acquisitions,
capital markets, private equity. He's been covering this latest story
with the NBA, and really it's bigger than that than
just the NBA. It's the FBI with over thirty people
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arrested involved in gambling schemes that had to do with poker,
also apparently sports betting as well. Ben kind enough to
join us. Give me the tone of that press conference.
Speaker 11 (16:37):
Ben, Yeah, Dan, thank you so much for having me.
It was it was How do I describe the tone?
First of all, there was no internet, which was not
great for US reporters. It was pretty intense, very serious.
There were more than twenty officials including Cash Betel, director
of the FBI. Very serious. They said, this is the
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tip of the iceberg. Both of these investigations are still ongoing.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Okay, let's start with the Chauncey Billups allegations and Terry
Rogier and Damon Jones. What were they alledged to a
bit involved in.
Speaker 11 (17:13):
So there was two things. One was this a llegend.
By the way, they're all alleged. Still everyone's innocent until
proven guilty. They made sure to, you know, make that clear.
There was one operation called Operation Royal Flush that involved
the poker scheme and basically they would dupe everyday people
into playing these games with high profile people like Chauncey
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Billups and Damon Jones. But everyone else besides the victim
knew was in on the scam allegedly. So they were
using technology to like read cards. They said something about
X ray technology where cards would be faced down but
they could still see what cards they were, and they
were duping people out of thousands, you know, ultimately it
was more than it was millions of dollars, Cash Patel said,
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So that was that was that. It was when Chauncey
Bilts was a former player, Damon Jones, former player. They're
both coaches.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Very not cool. Where what's the timeframe on this? Because
Chauncey Billups coached last night? But when is he alleged
to have been involved in this gambling ring?
Speaker 11 (18:16):
So it's relatively recently, and by that I just mean
within a few years ago. It was he was a
former player, now he's been retired for a while.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
It wasn't.
Speaker 11 (18:24):
I would need to go read the indictment, which I
have right here, hundreds of pages to find out exactly
the year, but I think that it was alleged before
he was a coach. This has been going on for years, they.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Said, but why is it surfacing now?
Speaker 11 (18:37):
So they've been investigating for a handful of years, collecting evidence,
trying to figure out, you know, how they could nail them.
And they obviously have enough evidence now that they felt
they could charge these people. They arrested Chauncey Phillips and
Terry Rozier this morning, along with others. The other interesting
factor here is that they said that the Italian mob
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is I mean, this is like a Hollywood movie made
a mention of that, but it is real life. Has
the NBA responded, I have not been in touch with
the NBA. I did ask at the press conference whether
the NBA cooperated with the investigation, and they said, yes,
the NBA cooperated.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
What do you think is next?
Speaker 11 (19:17):
Well, like I said, it's the tip of the iceberg.
So you know, now Chauncey, Billups and Terry was here,
They're going to be arranged in court and sorry for
the wins by the way in Oregon and Florida today,
we don't know exactly when. And they're you know, they're charged.
There's going to be trials moving forward. I think the
FBI and the law enforcement agencies they're still asking people, hey,
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if you know anything about this, you know, we're open ears.
They're still investigating. So the the implication is that further players, coaches,
et cetera. Could still come out.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
But are we talking about fixing games? Betting on games?
Speaker 11 (19:53):
But that was so that's the other There were two
investigations right there with the poker one. The other one
which is what Rosier is involved in? Players like Rosier
and you know he's the only player and John Taye
Porter is the other one that was part of this.
They were giving inside information about they were going to
claim that they were injured. They were going to say
they're going to play poorly. They were telling other people
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involved in the scam so that people on the outside
would bet on you know, Terry Rozier is going to
score less than ten points. And then Rosier would exit
the game in the second quarter saying that he's getting
a leg cramp. You know, that's what it was. I mean,
this was being reported for a while, but now the
charges are really out there. That's what was happening.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Ben. Thank you. I know you got a busy day.
Thank you taking some time for us.
Speaker 11 (20:35):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 9 (20:35):
Dad.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
That's Ben Horny from Front Office Sports covering finance, private
equity ownership, and gambling. So you got the crime families
in New York, you got poker games, X ray tables,
you got people wearing contact lenses or glasses that can
read a marked card. Then you have prop bets maybe
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with gambling, and that's what Terry Rozier John Tae Porter
was involved in. But did Chauncey Billups lure people to
poker games knowing that those people were going to be cheated?
And I think that's what it sounds like he's been
arrested with. And you're talking about hundreds of thousands of
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dollars here that added up to now I think around
seven million dollars. Who that's wild, It's wild, Yeah, pulling and.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
You asked again, Chauncey Phillips is not a victim of this,
He's allegedly a participant.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yes, yeah, but imagine that your job is to lure,
not that. If Damon Jones said, hey, do you want
to come to a poker game, I'd go, sure, that's
Damon Jones or Terry Rogier. But Chauncey Billups Okay, And
then are you getting a kickback? And if so, what
kind of kickback? Or you I'm sure that you're getting
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a kickback. Let's say, you know, the house is making
seventy five thousand dollars, we're gonna give you, but you
got to make it worth his while. That's what I
don't understand, because he's not really playing poker then, But
I don't you know, maybe Chauncey Billups owed somebody, Hey,
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you want to pay down your debt and here's how
you do it. Now, Once again, just speculating, but just
trying to figure out. Chauncey Phillips has done well in
his career in his NBA career. Now was this in
between when he retired to becoming coach of the Blazers.
Sounds like it, but wow, how much could you make
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where you go this is worth it? Now? Once again,
you never do these things, and you go, what if
I get caught? They're probably thinking nobody's going to know
about this, it's just us. But all of a sudden
you bring in the mafia, the crime family man, my
antenna would go up. I'd be like, uh yeah, Paul.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
The one thing journalistically is Lebron James is gonna be
asked about this with his friendship, long term friendship with
Damon Jones, the player they played on different teams together.
The Athletic and the Times, The New York Times are already
running different article about things Damon Jones is accused of.
So it's one of those things whether obviously not accusing anybody,
but you have to answer for It's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
A tough week. Yeah, I mean you could just say,
you know, I have clearly no idea.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Yeah, I'm just saying that.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
He's not going to be answering and he's not around, right,
you can't talk to Lebron. He's not around, I don't think. Yeah,
all right, then.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
The Blazers players too, a bunch of young guys. Yeah, hey,
let's ask you about what's going on with your head coach.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah. Well tip of the Iceberg. So thirty over thirty
people and more to come. Yeah, Pablo Torre finds out
his podcast. He's been doing a deep dive on this
as well. I'm sure he'll have something later today. Mike
and Vegas.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
I might Hey, how you doing damn good? I just
should know that I've been a fan since the Five
Families were the only ones watching because he was They're
a gambling interest. But I saw the Western Conference champions
and MVP play last night. Oh, it's going to be
San Antonio win in the West and ulm Bayu is
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going to be the MVP victor.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
All right, I don't think San Antonio is going to
win the West. I'm glad on the limb there, but
they might be the most improved team and therefore, maybe
you know, Wemby, is he going to be a top
five m VP candidate? Maybe, I hope, but I still
think uh Joker as your leading candidate. Luca is also
(24:50):
in there as well, but Wemby, you know, maybe he's
the top five. I don't know what Vegas had as
far as best odds on winning the MVP, but we
can find that out. But I wonder if Wemby was
in there.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Yes, marv Oh, he's definitely a first team All NBA
player this season.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Because now there's not no positions, right.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Is he a top five player right now?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yes? Yeah, and you can fill in whatever other four
you want.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Well, I'm in the fan club. I'm a president. I mean,
I have no problem saying that I saw the future.
I saw that and uh even mentioned that when we
had Reggie Miller on. I'm like, God, I mean this
is you better win your awards now because Wemby's coming
(25:39):
and uh he's gonna he's gonna take a few of them.
He's going to get Defensive Player of the Year and
he'll win multiple m vps. Uh, let's see Robin Orlando.
Speaker 12 (25:51):
Hey, Rob Hey, Dan, thanks for taking my call as always,
Uh Man, you were so spot on with Wemby. Man
just he looked he really bumped up a little bit.
And these tall guys who are frail and never think
are going to make it. But that's not really the
reason for my call. My real reason is updating you
with the Tennessee Department of Transportation asshole sign. So this
(26:14):
thing is locked in for the first week in November,
and here's what it'll read, Hey passhole.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
That's all it's gonna say, Hey, hey passhole.
Speaker 12 (26:26):
No no, no, no, no, sorry, Hey passole, don't camp in
left lane. And that'll run for two weeks up until
they switch over to a Turkey related one in November.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Okay, we're going to get a picture or video of this,
Rob that Oh yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. So
what's the first day that hey passole will be up
on a road sign?
Speaker 12 (26:51):
November first? Yep, consult your local highways and byways in Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Thank you, Rob, Thank you as a connection with the
Department of Transportation. Apparently it's pretty hysterical. Yeah, the pass
old t shirts did really well. Once again, they were
on a short run. The Flacco around and find out
that's on a short run as well. The Hall of
Good T shirt that'll probably be on a short run
(27:19):
as well, and so get them while you can, all right,
Larry and Youngstown, Hi Larry, what's on your mind?
Speaker 13 (27:29):
Hey Dan? First time, long time, six foot and a
creepy skinned one sixty five. I'd like to make a
nomination for the most boring good player in the NBA
and an attribute to the late great Warren Zebon. What
about Robert Finish? Certainly not an excitable boy.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Okay, I mean the Chief had an interesting look about him.
He kind of got lost in the shuffle with Bird
and McHale. The rest of that team be a Hall
of Famer? Yeah yeah, the uh wait, what are we
referring to this? The boringlygue great hall of Fame? Is
(28:12):
that what?
Speaker 4 (28:12):
It is?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Great but boring? Like John Stockton, Great but boring? Yeah, yeah, okay,
is he the like he's first team? Is he MVP?
No Tim Duncan's Oh yeah, Tim Duncan. Yes, Moses Malone
is in there as well. I remember watching Moses. I
don't remember anything more than a four foot shot and
(28:37):
a ton of rebounds. I I don't I don't remember.
I would watch their games and he'd end up with
like twenty four points and twenty rebounds, and I couldn't
remember any There was no highlights. It was just he was.
He was as good offensive rebound as I've ever seen.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
Yes, mar Moses Malone is never brought up in the
town Greatest twenty greatest, but he has three MVP awards.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
And he played in the ABA for a while. He
came out of high school. But yeah, Moses was that
that was a unique player, that he was a great rebounder.
But he scored. He scored a lot of points. Will
and Dayton, I will what's on your mind today?
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Hey?
Speaker 14 (29:22):
Thanks Dan? So you were a ESPN the big poker
boom back in the late nineties early two thousands. These
pros are extremely gifted. I'm wondering what involvement When they
realized they could only make so much money in tournament
cash games, they started putting games together with multimillionaires and billionaires.
When you watch some of these games on TV, you'll
see NBA players. I've seen Jimmy Butler, for instance. I've
(29:43):
seen Paul Pierce. I'm wondering what their involvement is. Not
in the scheme, but in blowing the whistle. Hey, something
ain't right in this game, figuring it out and you know,
blowing the whistle on all.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
This what So you think that they might have been
a fish in the These are games that are held
usually at somebody's house, not Vegas. I don't think they're
talking about that, Will, but you know Paul Pierce has
talking about poker games at his house, Gilbert Arenas having
a house where you know he has poker games. Yeah,
I think he's saying that the NBA players might have
(30:16):
been the people who tipped off the FBI. That's something
wrong was going on. Yeah, but that's where they were
they taken advantage of. Yeah, it sounds like it. Yeah,
that's that's what I would be curious about. Boy, can
you imagine if Wow, if Chauncey Billups was having somebody
come in and there was an NBA player knowing that
(30:36):
they would be taken advantage of the depth of this
is fascinating, Like the details that they would go to,
the depth they would go to to be able to
cheat these people. Like an X ray table, How do
you buy that? Where do you buy that?
Speaker 9 (30:56):
Can?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I can you check if I can get that on Amazon?
Checking an X ray table? I mean I I had
those X ray glasses when I was growing up, but
I couldn't see through Amy Lakes's top. I mean I
did buy him.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
Yeah, Paul, imagine you sit down to a poker table
and they put that big kevlar thing over your body
so you don't get radiation. That should be a trip off.
This is not a normal poker game.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Do you have the MVP odds? Where's where's Wemby in
the race?
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Three days ago? Preseason odds, Sga number one, Jokic, Doncic,
Yannis and when Bin Yama was fifth? Okay, now real
time odds, when Bana shot up to second overnight okay.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Sga is not going to do anything different than he
did last year. He'll be extremely efficient in average thirty
two a game, right, so he's he's already won the MVP.
It's it's almost like Joker. It's like, ah, we've seen this,
but then Joker kind of reinvented himself or made it,
you know, he put up even he had an incredible
(31:58):
year last year and could have easily been MVP. Luca
got in shape, gonna do this without Lebron for a
good portion of the season, and he plays in Los Angeles,
the name on the front a lot of attention. All
of his games televised. He would be my leader in
the clubhouse, Jannis. Unless they do something incredible, I can't. Okay,
(32:20):
you average thirty four to fourteen or something, you know,
thirty fourteen. Okay, we've seen that before.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Yeah, Marv, Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
If the Knicks get the one seed in the East,
they have a really good regular season. He's he was hot,
He's been hot the past couple of postseason. Yeah, so
he's coming in New York. Oh wait, I don't want
to even use New York because not like New York
wins MVPs or anything like that. But Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Okay, yeah, fun a lot of those games East Coast
games saw him last night against the Cavaliers.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
Most national TV games, and maybe they're tied Lakers, Lakers, Thunder, Warriors, Nicks.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Okay, I'm surprised the Thunder, I know, defending champs, but
you want people to watch the games. I don't know
if they're going to go out of their way to
watch this Thunder, even though it's a great team play
offense and defense. Really well, you got the reigning MVP,
chat Holmgren, you know all of these things. But do
(33:27):
they have a tune in factor attached to them?
Speaker 6 (33:31):
They're just the champs. Yeah, I think that's it. They're
just showing respect to the defending champs.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Okay, let's take a break. Last call for phone calls,
What's in store tomorrow? What we learn this day in
sports history? Right after this.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
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listen live. Last call for phone calls, What we learn?
What's in store tomorrow? John Chesh, who gave us round
Ball Rock. Fritzi gets excited about certain guests. John Jash
(34:09):
is going to be on.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
And John, of course was a co anchor co host
on Entertainment Tonight with Mary Hart. And he's covered the Olympics.
He covered the Olympics in Atlanta. Maybe he was there
with the women's gymnastics. He's done Tour de France, he's
covered that. But he's responsible for round ball Rock.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
That's going to be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, And then Todd said, would you perform round ball rock?
How many instruments are involved in roundball rock?
Speaker 3 (34:42):
There may be some accompaniment, but I think it's mainly
like a organ of some sort of That's the way
I understand it.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Like a keyboard.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah, like we saw it like with that SNL skit
that mocks it so fantastically.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Now, apparently he was out. I don't know if he
was at a restaurant or something, but he wanted to
make sure he didn't oo's the idea for roundball rock.
And he called his answering machine his cell phone to
record him doing round ball rock. Marvin, do we have
that yet? Okay, we will have that?
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Yes for John Tesh.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, yes, no, I didn't know if you had that now,
but there there is audio of him actually calling his
cell phone and then going, hey, it's me, I got
this NBA, you know. Then he does his round ball
rock at least about twenty seconds into that.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yes, Todd, imagine that you're leaving yourself a voicemail from overseas.
We so you don't want to forget the music, and
you're just like, Hi, it's John. Leave a message and
it's your sub so it's waiting for you when you
get back home.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Thank you to great story. Yes, Paul.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
By the way, working with Mary Hart in the eighties
and nineties, that's a that's a gig everybody would want.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Oh I love Mary heart love. Yeah, met her at
the Children's Miracle Network, and I was doing work with
Marie Osmond, Steve Young and one of the dukes of Hazzard,
John Schneider. I think and and I remember we were
going to this event and we had our four kids
(36:14):
and it was going to be a big night for
Children's Miracle Network in Orlando. And I remember I got
my youngest is running around. She doesn't have a diaper on,
she's like two or one another. It was chaos in
our hotel room and we said, I said to Mary Heart,
you know your son, who probably was eleven, Hey, we're
(36:34):
going to have a babysitter. Why don't you just bring
your son over? He came over and he looked like
he was out of a catalog. Hair was parted, he
was looking great, you know, color coordinated outfit. He came
in and I swear to god, if Mary Hart could
have said, you know, I think I'll get a babysitter
for my son because I had screaming, yelling clothes on, yell.
(36:58):
I mean, it was just it was pretty wild scene
when she opened the door. We opened the door, and
the look on her son's face and her face was like,
are you going to leave me here with these animals. Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
So Mary Hart was going to call child Services on you.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
But she had every reason too. Yes, Tom, and.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
She's a huge Dodger fan. Like for the last several years.
You can see a right at home Clayton MC the
second or third row, perfect behind home seats, rooting for
her Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah. Yes, she's always there.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
She remember what's his name? Was used to be there
all the time from CNN Larry King. Larry King always
back there.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Let's see skull Mike in Texas.
Speaker 15 (37:39):
How's it going, Dan?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Great? Great, Mike.
Speaker 15 (37:42):
I'm a poker pro and I'm on the director of
the large live stream here down in Austin, so I
can try and help clarify some of the questions you
have regarding the bill up scandal. Okay, you're talking about
the X ray table. I haven't read the report, but
I'd imagine some type of RFI D technology where it's sadly,
(38:04):
there's plenty of cheating in the poker world, and I
would never go to any type of private game if
I didn't trust the game run or some sorts. But
the RFID technology basically, you have some sensors in the
table and then you have the felt over the sensors,
so whenever the cards go over one of the sensors,
that can get relayed back to maybe a back room.
(38:27):
And then if you have players in the game that
might be in on the scams, you can get some
type of signal and then you basically know at which
point in the hand rather be on the flop, turn
or river, if your hand's good or not. And then
the fish as you call it, which is basically a
poker term for a week player in the game, somebody
that doesn't know what's going on. There's terms like sharp, fish, whale,
(38:51):
and the fish is the weakest player, the person that's
everybody goes after and they're just going to be dead
money in the grand scheme of things. But the thing
that's confusing to me, as you alluded to, is why
would Billups risk his reputation and get involved in this
when he's pretty much, you know, a made man and
doesn't need to get involved in this. So that's the
(39:12):
part of the story that doesn't make sense for me,
but hopefully that clarifies.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Okay, But the guys wearing glasses or contact lenses with
a marked card, so that's kind.
Speaker 15 (39:23):
Of just another form of cheating that goes on nowadays.
Technology is so good that you can have some type
of special made cards, like a special deck that the
fish would have no idea. They would just think it's
a regular deck of cards. And you see poker games
on TV. People are wearing sunglasses, regular glasses, and they
(39:44):
could have some type of technology in the glasses that
could read through the card. And if you're not covering
your cars, or if your cards are just out there
on the felt in front of you by the chips,
that person could say, oh, you have the ace, or
you have the King, you have the King of clubs here.
It's just another form of cheating that sadly goes on
in poker games.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
All right, well, thank you, Mike. Not going to play
poker with Mike. I'm not going to do that. I
don't want to accuse him of anything. Just saying sounds
like he knows what he's doing. Todd, would you learn today.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Jason Gadd would practice calling out signals on the highway
and his car to simulate QB situations to get his
reps in.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Seatan Would you learn Mafia is back him better than ever?
Speaker 4 (40:21):
Mark James Worthy warred New Balances.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
Sneakers, Mafia teamwork.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Todd, would about.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Me your favorite Sandman movie role we all learned was
playing the nightclub owner and just go with it with
the Miss Anniston and miss Kidman.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Thanks for joining us, our pleasure to serve you. We'll
be here on Friday. A Meet Friday Todd, seatan, Marv, Paulie,
yours truly have a great day.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
The Miami Heat guard Terry Rosier, and the Blazers head
coach Chauncey Billups also former NBA player Damon Jones among
those arrested and involved in one of the schemes. You
also have the Five Families in New York, and if
you're not familiar with them, it's well, you got that
Gambino Genevici, you got Lukesey, and they're apparently involved in
(00:30):
backing rigged poker games, scamming victims out of hundreds of
thousands of dollars. Three of the more than thirty defendants
were indicted allegedly involved in both sports betting and fraudulent
gambling schemes during the poker games. In one of the
alleged schemes, those involved use technologies such as poker chip
(00:53):
trey analyzers, and an X ray table that would read
the cards when they're faced down on the table. According
to prosecutors, victims allegedly scammed out of at least seven
million dollars in poker games. The FBI has its eyes
on the Italian organized crime families, specifically the La Cosa
(01:17):
Nostra the five families in New York City. Officials dubbed
the NBA gambling scheme Investigation Operation nothing but net Operation
Royal Flush for the poker schemes. Come on, this is
out of a move. It's not a good Fellows goodfellas.
So they had the Operation Royal Flush. So this is
(01:40):
the FBI having a press conference, hidden cameras, special eyeglasses,
X ray poker tables. I don't know the poker chip
tray analyzers. I'm gonna guess that. Well, No, I don't know.
I don't know what a poker chip tray analyzer is.
Hidden cameras, special contact lenses, or eyeglasses that can read
(02:06):
pre marked cards. The X ray table could read cards
face down on the table. Three of the defendants involved
in both poker and also in sports betting Chauncey Billups.
He was one of those involved in the poker scheme
(02:30):
and victims were allegedly referred to as phish. People had
no idea that everybody else at the table was in
on the scam. And I think the question is, did
Chauncey Billups lure people into a poker game knowing that
they were going to lose money? Now did he know
or not know? But games were backed by some of
(02:53):
the mafia families here as well the NBA betting scheme.
Six arrests with that, So this is once again, this
isn't the NBA investigating this, this is the FBI, but
mob families apparently involved in widespread gambling cases. So that's
(03:14):
what I've got right now. We'll have more on this
coming up in about fifteen minutes. A reporter for Front
Office Sports has been covering this, so we get a
better idea of it. Wow, so you at an X
ray table and you put your cards down and they're
able to tell you what you've got special contact lenses
(03:39):
or glasses that you can read a marked card. Wow,
you're bringing people in. You know they got a lot
of money. Hey, we got a great poker game. You
got to get in on this. Sure. And then you
go in and you sit down and you probably at
some point have to go, why am I the only
one losing? Yeah? Why? Why do just me? Man? You
(04:03):
guys are really lucky today?
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yes, Todd, imagine being so bold and brazen that you
can can hide every one of these piece of technology
and all these different things where this cheating going out
of No one is going.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
To pick up on it or see it at any point.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Wow, I'd love to see how this works. I would
love that I could see a table. I mean, this
is a movie script all of a sudden. Get Matt
Damon on, let's see if we can talk to him
about Rounders too, And get KGB on, Hey man, get
(04:37):
John Malkovich on here, we can talk to him about this. Yes, Paul, you.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Know, if there's a bright side, it's nice to see
the five families working together on a new project harmoniously.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
They used to fight against each other, now they're teaming up.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah. God, this is wild, and you I thought it
was a normal Thursday.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
The NBA had three really nice days in a row,
a double overtime game, then Barkley and the crew is
back Wemby.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Last night all was well, Yeah, everything's great, except for
a coach in your league arrested in Chauncey Billups. All right,
we'll have more on this coming up in about twenty
minutes from now. Sunday night, Aaron Rodgers faces Green Bay
for the first time in his career. Steeler's host Jordan
(05:24):
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of the program. Wemby was great last night. He was
wonderful to watch, and he was going against a good
(05:45):
front line. But he can go outside inside, he can
play offense, he can play defense, and just really figuring out.
I mean he hasn't stopped growing and filling out, but
aside from an injury, I mean, that's the future right there.
He is the future. I know there's a rapper called Future.
(06:06):
That's the NBA future right there. It doesn't seem you know,
when you're watching a Jurassic Park and you're going, oh
my god, look how run for your lives? He looked
like one of those Prannosaurus rexes or whatever. They're just like,
oh my god, look how he's moving fast. He's big.
(06:29):
He covers a lot of territory there.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Yeah, Marvin, could you ever think in two thousand and
seven you're gonna say, hey, Kevin Durant' is a six
eleven guy that can do everything. Hey, but in about
twenty years, this guy's gonna be seven to six that
can do everything and play deference from the perimeter to
the post.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Well, we might be saying that now about somebody twenty
years from now. Way, wait till twenty years from now.
Who knows what that player looks like.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Yes, Paulin, you'll appreciate this because you covered him, You
did a piece on him. Sean Bradley when he was
in BYU, who was like a both an outside and
inside guy at seven six, but he had nowhere near
the coordination of women Yama, nowhere near.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
But this is what I thought Ralph Samson could be.
And Ralph was seven to four. But once again, as
a big man, you weren't taught ball handling skills. You
were told to be down in the post, so you
didn't develop this. Now, these players, certainly the players overseas,
they go to academies to develop this. They're not going
to high school. They're going to academies. They're studying to
(07:31):
be a professional athlete. And they developed these players so
they're ready to go to the NBA and they can
do ball handling footwork. I always marveled at kiem Elijauan.
He had some of the best footwork of anybody I've
ever seen in the NBA. But he was taught soccer
and therefore he had this footwork, and I think that's
(07:52):
really important. It's very underrated. Your footwork is so important
just about every sport. And just had that coordination, but
you're allowed the luxury of being outside. In a million years,
somebody's seven to six and he's on the perimeter. My
high school coach would have been get inside, get down
(08:15):
there on the block, and he'd be like, Okay, yeah, Marvin.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
That's why Maggie Johnson was so fascinating because he was
a point guard in the late seventies. Like what were
they doing at his high school and at Michigan State
telling him not to get into the post and be
a point guard?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I know, I know, Uh, co peasy in Palm Beach,
co peasy.
Speaker 7 (08:37):
Look, I know all right.
Speaker 8 (08:39):
Well, thank you for taking the call Midday, fellas, and
I appreciate you calling me back. Dan personally, I love
all rows. Happy with that. I did my research gambling
David is plucked seventy two and a half. Just so
that we know back in the day, also wenby Showa Tani.
(09:01):
That was the conversation I want to have hitting a
baseball and shrinking out ten. It's probably the most difficult
thing I could think about. But at the same time,
as Seaton says, the seven to four point guard, as
you were discussing, it's pretty incredible. Also, thank you Seating
for the Flacco T shirt. Timing is everything something to
(09:21):
it doesn't have. And I was wondering if you guys
saw the Michael Jordan free throw, because I really do
believe that he was actually nervous there.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, the videos come out, Yeah, I saw that where
GOODEO talked about that with Mike Turco, and it backs
up the story that he was at the Ryder Cup
and he hadn't shot a basketball in a long time,
and he was staying at a house owned by a
family and they're like, hey, this is the only thing
we want is would you shoot a free throw? And
you could see him going out there and he was nervous,
(09:55):
like you can see when he's done because these kids
didn't see him play. And then Mike's out there getting
ready to shoot a free throw and you're thinking it's
a free throw, should be a He's made free throws
with his eyeshot when he played, but he made his
free throw. But yeah, I did see the video Mike
(10:16):
and Wisconsin. Hi Mike, what's on your mind?
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
What up?
Speaker 7 (10:20):
Fellas?
Speaker 9 (10:21):
This gambling FBI investigation reminded me of you, Dan when
you arrested Paul Crewe in the Longest Yard, and I
wanted to ask you, of all the movies you've started,
if you had a favorite role or character that you portrayed.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, when I was the nightclub owner and just go
with it with Brooklyn Decker and Jennifer Aniston, Nicole Kidman,
Dave Dave Matthews was also there. No nominations, shocking, not
even a people's choice of war. But that was fun.
That was a That's the first time I ever felt
(10:57):
like this is acting. And this is why I don't
want to do it because and I'll never forget this feeling.
I'm on stage and I'm starting to panic a little
bit because Sandler wants me to add lib. And I've
got Jennifer Aniston and Nicole Kidman. One's on my left
and so Aniston's on my left, Kidman's on my right,
and they're looking at me and in my mind, I'm
(11:19):
thinking they know I can't act. They know it, they
know it. And that's when I kind of I said
to Sandler, I said, Sam, can you hey come here
from it? And then I'm I'm asking him questions that
are just stupid questions because I'm trying to throw them
off the scent that I can't act. And then I
got my act together and then we're able to do
(11:42):
the scene, and I don't I'm sure they knew that
I couldn't act. I mean they thought that I was
devilishly handsome, which I get that you'd rather that, Yes,
I would have that. I didn't have to act handsome.
I was. It was just I couldn't act.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Yes, pay so you were acting like you can act.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yes, that's like a double yeah. Yeah, but I wasn't
full with anybody. Wasn't full anybody. But that was my
favorite role. But thank you, thank you for asking. I
don't know if it was Aniston and Kidman's favorite roles
that they were in, but yes, Martin.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
I loved when you were in That's My Boy TV's Random.
Morgan was very very good.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
He gave me a lot of freedom, gave me a
lot of freedom screen Time too. Yeah, gave me a
lot of freedom in Happy Go More Too. And sometimes
Sandler goes, Danny, here's the script, stay with the script,
and then other times ago Danny ad lib. Danny got
any lines you want to throw out, and so I
know that when I do that, that he's got a
lot of confidence in me. When we first started, he
(12:40):
kind of said, although, when I arrest him in Longest Yard,
so it's right at the beginning of the movie, and
we pulled him over and we did five takes, and
Sandler had a different take each each time, so he
didn't go as scripted, and they the take that they
(13:00):
took was he said something really funny, and I put
my hand up because I didn't think they were going
to use it in the movie. So here I am
a police officer arresting Sandler, and I put my hand
up and go that was that was good and Sandler
gave me a high five, and then they kept it
in the movie. But that was just Sandler going Danny
ad lib and I said, Okay, yeah, pull.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Imagine like a decade from now and they're honoring Nicole
Kidman at like one of those Kennedy Center honors, you know,
the big huh. Yeah, she's like, you know, my favorite
role was really surprise you all the time that just
go with it. It showed my range as a comedian.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I think my name was Dan Tanner, Dan Dan Tanner,
something like that. Sander wanted me to have a tan
and so I think that was my name. Danny Dan
Tanner gots a lot of money. Right now, you're going
you were Dan Tanner Patrick in that film, Yeah, Tanner Patrick.
When I went to Starbucks when the movie Happy to
(13:57):
Go More two came out, Mike Pat Daniels, they actually
put it on my They usually put like a word
on your coffee cup, like enjoy or youm or whatever
it might be, and they put Pat Daniels on there.
I thought I'd finally They still charge me for the Starbucks,
but I thought I'd finally made it. Yes, Todd Dantown.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Was a private detective in the eighties for that TV
show Vegas. That's why you might have had that on
your mind.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
With a Bobby Urick, Yeah, the handsome Bobby Erck. Well,
we're going to Vegas in a couple of weeks by
the way out there for Formula one. We'll give you details.
You want to visit us. We'll be at the Fountain
Blue Hotel and out there trying to cover Formula one
and probably have some celebrities joining us as well.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Yes, Paul, you know those those F one drivers, they
got it pretty good.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
They do, Yeah, they do.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Every time I see those guys, they're at something like
a runway model and.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I want to be Lewis Hamilton. No, like it seems
like he does now. He doesn't win that much anymore.
Verse stopping is always the who seems in Lando? Norris
is that? Yeah? Yeah, I'm following a little bit here.
I'm gonna be an expert in a couple of weeks there,
I'm gonna be at F one. No, it all f you, Todd,
(15:12):
that's not necessarily I know it's not all right. Let
me take a break. Uh more phone calls coming up,
and uh more on this gambling probe by the FBI.
We'll get some more information coming up as well. We're
back after this Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
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Speaker 2 (16:06):
Prior to joining Front Office Sports, Ben Horny spent twelve
years at Law three sixty and he oversaw sports betting, mergers, acquisitions,
capital markets, private equity. He's been covering this latest story
with the NBA, and really it's bigger than that than
just the NBA. It's the FBI with over thirty people
(16:27):
arrested involved in gambling schemes that had to do with poker,
also apparently sports betting as well. Ben kind enough to
join us. Give me the tone of that press conference.
Speaker 11 (16:37):
Ben, Yeah, Dan, thank you so much for having me.
It was it was How do I describe the tone?
First of all, there was no internet, which was not
great for US reporters. It was pretty intense, very serious.
There were more than twenty officials including Cash Betel, director
of the FBI. Very serious. They said, this is the
(16:58):
tip of the iceberg. Both of these investigations are still ongoing.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Okay, let's start with the Chauncey Billups allegations and Terry
Rogier and Damon Jones. What were they alledged to a
bit involved in.
Speaker 11 (17:13):
So there was two things. One was this a llegend.
By the way, they're all alleged. Still everyone's innocent until
proven guilty. They made sure to, you know, make that clear.
There was one operation called Operation Royal Flush that involved
the poker scheme and basically they would dupe everyday people
into playing these games with high profile people like Chauncey
(17:33):
Billups and Damon Jones. But everyone else besides the victim
knew was in on the scam allegedly. So they were
using technology to like read cards. They said something about
X ray technology where cards would be faced down but
they could still see what cards they were, and they
were duping people out of thousands, you know, ultimately it
was more than it was millions of dollars, Cash Patel said,
(17:57):
So that was that was that. It was when Chauncey
Bilts was a former player, Damon Jones, former player. They're
both coaches.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Very not cool. Where what's the timeframe on this? Because
Chauncey Billups coached last night? But when is he alleged
to have been involved in this gambling ring?
Speaker 11 (18:16):
So it's relatively recently, and by that I just mean
within a few years ago. It was he was a
former player, now he's been retired for a while.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
It wasn't.
Speaker 11 (18:24):
I would need to go read the indictment, which I
have right here, hundreds of pages to find out exactly
the year, but I think that it was alleged before
he was a coach. This has been going on for years, they.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Said, but why is it surfacing now?
Speaker 11 (18:37):
So they've been investigating for a handful of years, collecting evidence,
trying to figure out, you know, how they could nail them.
And they obviously have enough evidence now that they felt
they could charge these people. They arrested Chauncey Phillips and
Terry Rozier this morning, along with others. The other interesting
factor here is that they said that the Italian mob
(18:58):
is I mean, this is like a Hollywood movie made
a mention of that, but it is real life. Has
the NBA responded, I have not been in touch with
the NBA. I did ask at the press conference whether
the NBA cooperated with the investigation, and they said, yes,
the NBA cooperated.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
What do you think is next?
Speaker 11 (19:17):
Well, like I said, it's the tip of the iceberg.
So you know, now Chauncey, Billups and Terry was here,
They're going to be arranged in court and sorry for
the wins by the way in Oregon and Florida today,
we don't know exactly when. And they're you know, they're charged.
There's going to be trials moving forward. I think the
FBI and the law enforcement agencies they're still asking people, hey,
(19:39):
if you know anything about this, you know, we're open ears.
They're still investigating. So the the implication is that further players, coaches,
et cetera. Could still come out.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
But are we talking about fixing games? Betting on games?
Speaker 11 (19:53):
But that was so that's the other There were two
investigations right there with the poker one. The other one
which is what Rosier is involved in? Players like Rosier
and you know he's the only player and John Taye
Porter is the other one that was part of this.
They were giving inside information about they were going to
claim that they were injured. They were going to say
they're going to play poorly. They were telling other people
(20:13):
involved in the scam so that people on the outside
would bet on you know, Terry Rozier is going to
score less than ten points. And then Rosier would exit
the game in the second quarter saying that he's getting
a leg cramp. You know, that's what it was. I mean,
this was being reported for a while, but now the
charges are really out there. That's what was happening.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Ben. Thank you. I know you got a busy day.
Thank you taking some time for us.
Speaker 11 (20:35):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 9 (20:35):
Dad.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
That's Ben Horny from Front Office Sports covering finance, private
equity ownership, and gambling. So you got the crime families
in New York, you got poker games, X ray tables,
you got people wearing contact lenses or glasses that can
read a marked card. Then you have prop bets maybe
(20:58):
with gambling, and that's what Terry Rozier John Tae Porter
was involved in. But did Chauncey Billups lure people to
poker games knowing that those people were going to be cheated?
And I think that's what it sounds like he's been
arrested with. And you're talking about hundreds of thousands of
(21:19):
dollars here that added up to now I think around
seven million dollars. Who that's wild, It's wild, Yeah, pulling and.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
You asked again, Chauncey Phillips is not a victim of this,
He's allegedly a participant.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yes, yeah, but imagine that your job is to lure,
not that. If Damon Jones said, hey, do you want
to come to a poker game, I'd go, sure, that's
Damon Jones or Terry Rogier. But Chauncey Billups Okay, And
then are you getting a kickback? And if so, what
kind of kickback? Or you I'm sure that you're getting
(21:59):
a kickback. Let's say, you know, the house is making
seventy five thousand dollars, we're gonna give you, but you
got to make it worth his while. That's what I
don't understand, because he's not really playing poker then, But
I don't you know, maybe Chauncey Billups owed somebody, Hey,
(22:19):
you want to pay down your debt and here's how
you do it. Now, Once again, just speculating, but just
trying to figure out. Chauncey Phillips has done well in
his career in his NBA career. Now was this in
between when he retired to becoming coach of the Blazers.
Sounds like it, but wow, how much could you make
(22:42):
where you go this is worth it? Now? Once again,
you never do these things, and you go, what if
I get caught? They're probably thinking nobody's going to know
about this, it's just us. But all of a sudden
you bring in the mafia, the crime family man, my
antenna would go up. I'd be like, uh yeah, Paul.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
The one thing journalistically is Lebron James is gonna be
asked about this with his friendship, long term friendship with
Damon Jones, the player they played on different teams together.
The Athletic and the Times, The New York Times are already
running different article about things Damon Jones is accused of.
So it's one of those things whether obviously not accusing anybody,
but you have to answer for It's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
A tough week. Yeah, I mean you could just say,
you know, I have clearly no idea.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Yeah, I'm just saying that.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
He's not going to be answering and he's not around, right,
you can't talk to Lebron. He's not around, I don't think. Yeah,
all right, then.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
The Blazers players too, a bunch of young guys. Yeah, hey,
let's ask you about what's going on with your head coach.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah. Well tip of the Iceberg. So thirty over thirty
people and more to come. Yeah, Pablo Torre finds out
his podcast. He's been doing a deep dive on this
as well. I'm sure he'll have something later today. Mike
and Vegas.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
I might Hey, how you doing damn good? I just
should know that I've been a fan since the Five
Families were the only ones watching because he was They're
a gambling interest. But I saw the Western Conference champions
and MVP play last night. Oh, it's going to be
San Antonio win in the West and ulm Bayu is
(24:27):
going to be the MVP victor.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
All right, I don't think San Antonio is going to
win the West. I'm glad on the limb there, but
they might be the most improved team and therefore, maybe
you know, Wemby, is he going to be a top
five m VP candidate? Maybe, I hope, but I still
think uh Joker as your leading candidate. Luca is also
(24:50):
in there as well, but Wemby, you know, maybe he's
the top five. I don't know what Vegas had as
far as best odds on winning the MVP, but we
can find that out. But I wonder if Wemby was
in there.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Yes, marv Oh, he's definitely a first team All NBA
player this season.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Because now there's not no positions, right.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Is he a top five player right now?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yes? Yeah, and you can fill in whatever other four
you want.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Well, I'm in the fan club. I'm a president. I mean,
I have no problem saying that I saw the future.
I saw that and uh even mentioned that when we
had Reggie Miller on. I'm like, God, I mean this
is you better win your awards now because Wemby's coming
(25:39):
and uh he's gonna he's gonna take a few of them.
He's going to get Defensive Player of the Year and
he'll win multiple m vps. Uh, let's see Robin Orlando.
Speaker 12 (25:51):
Hey, Rob Hey, Dan, thanks for taking my call as always,
Uh Man, you were so spot on with Wemby. Man
just he looked he really bumped up a little bit.
And these tall guys who are frail and never think
are going to make it. But that's not really the
reason for my call. My real reason is updating you
with the Tennessee Department of Transportation asshole sign. So this
(26:14):
thing is locked in for the first week in November,
and here's what it'll read, Hey passhole.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
That's all it's gonna say, Hey, hey passhole.
Speaker 12 (26:26):
No no, no, no, no, sorry, Hey passole, don't camp in
left lane. And that'll run for two weeks up until
they switch over to a Turkey related one in November.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Okay, we're going to get a picture or video of this,
Rob that Oh yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. So
what's the first day that hey passole will be up
on a road sign?
Speaker 12 (26:51):
November first? Yep, consult your local highways and byways in Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Thank you, Rob, Thank you as a connection with the
Department of Transportation. Apparently it's pretty hysterical. Yeah, the pass
old t shirts did really well. Once again, they were
on a short run. The Flacco around and find out
that's on a short run as well. The Hall of
Good T shirt that'll probably be on a short run
(27:19):
as well, and so get them while you can, all right,
Larry and Youngstown, Hi Larry, what's on your mind?
Speaker 13 (27:29):
Hey Dan? First time, long time, six foot and a
creepy skinned one sixty five. I'd like to make a
nomination for the most boring good player in the NBA
and an attribute to the late great Warren Zebon. What
about Robert Finish? Certainly not an excitable boy.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Okay, I mean the Chief had an interesting look about him.
He kind of got lost in the shuffle with Bird
and McHale. The rest of that team be a Hall
of Famer? Yeah yeah, the uh wait, what are we
referring to this? The boringlygue great hall of Fame? Is
(28:12):
that what?
Speaker 4 (28:12):
It is?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Great but boring? Like John Stockton, Great but boring? Yeah, yeah, okay,
is he the like he's first team? Is he MVP?
No Tim Duncan's Oh yeah, Tim Duncan. Yes, Moses Malone
is in there as well. I remember watching Moses. I
don't remember anything more than a four foot shot and
(28:37):
a ton of rebounds. I I don't I don't remember.
I would watch their games and he'd end up with
like twenty four points and twenty rebounds, and I couldn't
remember any There was no highlights. It was just he was.
He was as good offensive rebound as I've ever seen.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
Yes, mar Moses Malone is never brought up in the
town Greatest twenty greatest, but he has three MVP awards.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
And he played in the ABA for a while. He
came out of high school. But yeah, Moses was that
that was a unique player, that he was a great rebounder.
But he scored. He scored a lot of points. Will
and Dayton, I will what's on your mind today?
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Hey?
Speaker 14 (29:22):
Thanks Dan? So you were a ESPN the big poker
boom back in the late nineties early two thousands. These
pros are extremely gifted. I'm wondering what involvement When they
realized they could only make so much money in tournament
cash games, they started putting games together with multimillionaires and billionaires.
When you watch some of these games on TV, you'll
see NBA players. I've seen Jimmy Butler, for instance. I've
(29:43):
seen Paul Pierce. I'm wondering what their involvement is. Not
in the scheme, but in blowing the whistle. Hey, something
ain't right in this game, figuring it out and you know,
blowing the whistle on all.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
This what So you think that they might have been
a fish in the These are games that are held
usually at somebody's house, not Vegas. I don't think they're
talking about that, Will, but you know Paul Pierce has
talking about poker games at his house, Gilbert Arenas having
a house where you know he has poker games. Yeah,
I think he's saying that the NBA players might have
(30:16):
been the people who tipped off the FBI. That's something
wrong was going on. Yeah, but that's where they were
they taken advantage of. Yeah, it sounds like it. Yeah,
that's that's what I would be curious about. Boy, can
you imagine if Wow, if Chauncey Billups was having somebody
come in and there was an NBA player knowing that
(30:36):
they would be taken advantage of the depth of this
is fascinating, Like the details that they would go to,
the depth they would go to to be able to
cheat these people. Like an X ray table, How do
you buy that? Where do you buy that?
Speaker 9 (30:56):
Can?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I can you check if I can get that on Amazon?
Checking an X ray table? I mean I I had
those X ray glasses when I was growing up, but
I couldn't see through Amy Lakes's top. I mean I
did buy him.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
Yeah, Paul, imagine you sit down to a poker table
and they put that big kevlar thing over your body
so you don't get radiation. That should be a trip off.
This is not a normal poker game.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Do you have the MVP odds? Where's where's Wemby in
the race?
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Three days ago? Preseason odds, Sga number one, Jokic, Doncic,
Yannis and when Bin Yama was fifth? Okay, now real
time odds, when Bana shot up to second overnight okay.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Sga is not going to do anything different than he
did last year. He'll be extremely efficient in average thirty
two a game, right, so he's he's already won the MVP.
It's it's almost like Joker. It's like, ah, we've seen this,
but then Joker kind of reinvented himself or made it,
you know, he put up even he had an incredible
(31:58):
year last year and could have easily been MVP. Luca
got in shape, gonna do this without Lebron for a
good portion of the season, and he plays in Los Angeles,
the name on the front a lot of attention. All
of his games televised. He would be my leader in
the clubhouse, Jannis. Unless they do something incredible, I can't. Okay,
(32:20):
you average thirty four to fourteen or something, you know,
thirty fourteen. Okay, we've seen that before.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Yeah, Marv, Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
If the Knicks get the one seed in the East,
they have a really good regular season. He's he was hot,
He's been hot the past couple of postseason. Yeah, so
he's coming in New York. Oh wait, I don't want
to even use New York because not like New York
wins MVPs or anything like that. But Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Okay, yeah, fun a lot of those games East Coast
games saw him last night against the Cavaliers.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
Most national TV games, and maybe they're tied Lakers, Lakers, Thunder, Warriors, Nicks.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Okay, I'm surprised the Thunder, I know, defending champs, but
you want people to watch the games. I don't know
if they're going to go out of their way to
watch this Thunder, even though it's a great team play
offense and defense. Really well, you got the reigning MVP,
chat Holmgren, you know all of these things. But do
(33:27):
they have a tune in factor attached to them?
Speaker 6 (33:31):
They're just the champs. Yeah, I think that's it. They're
just showing respect to the defending champs.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Okay, let's take a break. Last call for phone calls,
What's in store tomorrow? What we learn this day in
sports history? Right after this.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
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listen live. Last call for phone calls, What we learn?
What's in store tomorrow? John Chesh, who gave us round
Ball Rock. Fritzi gets excited about certain guests. John Jash
(34:09):
is going to be on.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
And John, of course was a co anchor co host
on Entertainment Tonight with Mary Hart. And he's covered the Olympics.
He covered the Olympics in Atlanta. Maybe he was there
with the women's gymnastics. He's done Tour de France, he's
covered that. But he's responsible for round ball Rock.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
That's going to be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, And then Todd said, would you perform round ball rock?
How many instruments are involved in roundball rock?
Speaker 3 (34:42):
There may be some accompaniment, but I think it's mainly
like a organ of some sort of That's the way
I understand it.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Like a keyboard.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah, like we saw it like with that SNL skit
that mocks it so fantastically.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Now, apparently he was out. I don't know if he
was at a restaurant or something, but he wanted to
make sure he didn't oo's the idea for roundball rock.
And he called his answering machine his cell phone to
record him doing round ball rock. Marvin, do we have
that yet? Okay, we will have that?
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Yes for John Tesh.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, yes, no, I didn't know if you had that now,
but there there is audio of him actually calling his
cell phone and then going, hey, it's me, I got
this NBA, you know. Then he does his round ball
rock at least about twenty seconds into that.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yes, Todd, imagine that you're leaving yourself a voicemail from overseas.
We so you don't want to forget the music, and
you're just like, Hi, it's John. Leave a message and
it's your sub so it's waiting for you when you
get back home.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Thank you to great story. Yes, Paul.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
By the way, working with Mary Hart in the eighties
and nineties, that's a that's a gig everybody would want.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Oh I love Mary heart love. Yeah, met her at
the Children's Miracle Network, and I was doing work with
Marie Osmond, Steve Young and one of the dukes of Hazzard,
John Schneider. I think and and I remember we were
going to this event and we had our four kids
(36:14):
and it was going to be a big night for
Children's Miracle Network in Orlando. And I remember I got
my youngest is running around. She doesn't have a diaper on,
she's like two or one another. It was chaos in
our hotel room and we said, I said to Mary Heart,
you know your son, who probably was eleven, Hey, we're
(36:34):
going to have a babysitter. Why don't you just bring
your son over? He came over and he looked like
he was out of a catalog. Hair was parted, he
was looking great, you know, color coordinated outfit. He came
in and I swear to god, if Mary Hart could
have said, you know, I think I'll get a babysitter
for my son because I had screaming, yelling clothes on, yell.
(36:58):
I mean, it was just it was pretty wild scene
when she opened the door. We opened the door, and
the look on her son's face and her face was like,
are you going to leave me here with these animals. Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
So Mary Hart was going to call child Services on you.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
But she had every reason too. Yes, Tom, and.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
She's a huge Dodger fan. Like for the last several years.
You can see a right at home Clayton MC the
second or third row, perfect behind home seats, rooting for
her Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah. Yes, she's always there.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
She remember what's his name? Was used to be there
all the time from CNN Larry King. Larry King always
back there.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Let's see skull Mike in Texas.
Speaker 15 (37:39):
How's it going, Dan?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Great? Great, Mike.
Speaker 15 (37:42):
I'm a poker pro and I'm on the director of
the large live stream here down in Austin, so I
can try and help clarify some of the questions you
have regarding the bill up scandal. Okay, you're talking about
the X ray table. I haven't read the report, but
I'd imagine some type of RFI D technology where it's sadly,
(38:04):
there's plenty of cheating in the poker world, and I
would never go to any type of private game if
I didn't trust the game run or some sorts. But
the RFID technology basically, you have some sensors in the
table and then you have the felt over the sensors,
so whenever the cards go over one of the sensors,
that can get relayed back to maybe a back room.
(38:27):
And then if you have players in the game that
might be in on the scams, you can get some
type of signal and then you basically know at which
point in the hand rather be on the flop, turn
or river, if your hand's good or not. And then
the fish as you call it, which is basically a
poker term for a week player in the game, somebody
that doesn't know what's going on. There's terms like sharp, fish, whale,
(38:51):
and the fish is the weakest player, the person that's
everybody goes after and they're just going to be dead
money in the grand scheme of things. But the thing
that's confusing to me, as you alluded to, is why
would Billups risk his reputation and get involved in this
when he's pretty much, you know, a made man and
doesn't need to get involved in this. So that's the
(39:12):
part of the story that doesn't make sense for me,
but hopefully that clarifies.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Okay, But the guys wearing glasses or contact lenses with
a marked card, so that's kind.
Speaker 15 (39:23):
Of just another form of cheating that goes on nowadays.
Technology is so good that you can have some type
of special made cards, like a special deck that the
fish would have no idea. They would just think it's
a regular deck of cards. And you see poker games
on TV. People are wearing sunglasses, regular glasses, and they
(39:44):
could have some type of technology in the glasses that
could read through the card. And if you're not covering
your cars, or if your cards are just out there
on the felt in front of you by the chips,
that person could say, oh, you have the ace, or
you have the King, you have the King of clubs here.
It's just another form of cheating that sadly goes on
in poker games.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
All right, well, thank you, Mike. Not going to play
poker with Mike. I'm not going to do that. I
don't want to accuse him of anything. Just saying sounds
like he knows what he's doing. Todd, would you learn today.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Jason Gadd would practice calling out signals on the highway
and his car to simulate QB situations to get his
reps in.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Seatan Would you learn Mafia is back him better than ever?
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Speaker 5 (40:24):
Sneakers, Mafia teamwork.
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Todd, would about.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Me your favorite Sandman movie role we all learned was
playing the nightclub owner and just go with it with
the Miss Anniston and miss Kidman.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
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CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist
It’s 1996 in rural North Carolina, and an oddball crew makes history when they pull off America’s third largest cash heist. But it’s all downhill from there. Join host Johnny Knoxville as he unspools a wild and woolly tale about a group of regular ‘ol folks who risked it all for a chance at a better life. CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist answers the question: what would you do with 17.3 million dollars? The answer includes diamond rings, mansions, velvet Elvis paintings, plus a run for the border, murder-for-hire-plots, and FBI busts.