May 27, 2025 • 41 mins
Dan and the Danettes discuss Julius Irving’s career as an underappreciated superstar in the history of the NBA. And former college and NBA star, Jim Jackson stops by to weigh in on Dr. J’s career and the NBA Eastern and Western Conference Finals.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Final Hour on this Tuesday. I hope you had a
great weekend. Gangs all here refreshed, ready to go Fritzy
of course the Minister of Humor and inadvertently accidentally provided
some humor in the first hour of the program as
we learned that bears apparently can spawn. I thought that
only samon could, but Todd found out that bears can
spawn in video games. In video games, yeah, seems to go.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
To the next level of research. And that's something that
could happen maybe in a video game, but not in
real life.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Really not in real life bears they don't spawn. They
just have cups. They hybridate and have cups.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
There's no eggs involved, I guess or something.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I don't think so, I don't think that's how it works.
But thank you Todd. You continue to add value to
that NYU educre.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
It is yes, that gonna have you back to make
a speech or you know, send the graduates on their way.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I can't imagine they would have you come back for
a commencement speech.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I haven't gotten anything yet from them corresponding success more money.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I wouldn't be waiting at the at the mail box.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
That's all they're looking for.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Long commencement speech, A long, long commencement speech. So Fritzy
is here, Seaton, mar Paul yours truly the brg's We'll
talk to Jim Jackson covering the NBA playoffs, the Fox
Turner basketball analyst. The Knicks are two and a half
point underdogs of the Pacers coming up tonight. The Thunder
up three to one on the Timberwolves. As SGA gets
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his MVP and then acts like one and gets forty
points eight seven seven three DP show operator Tyler sitting by,
we'll get some more phone calls, your best and worst
of the weekend. By the way, it was on this
date back in nineteen eighty one, and it was a
big moment. And I remember it because I got a
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chance to watch this guy play, but the rest of
the country did not really get a chance to see
him play. Doctor j won the MVP in the ABA,
and on this date in nineteen eighty one, won the
MVP in the NBA. There's a couple of players who
missed their window to showcase their greatness. Elgin Baylor was
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one of the first longtime Laker great. I think that
Kareem Abdul Jabbar lu Al Sindor when he was with
the Bucks, when he was first starting out. Oscar Robertson
spent most of his career in Cincinnati. Only known for
one thing, and that's the triple double, but he was
so much more than that. Jerry West, his playing career
was unbelievable, but he kept losing in the finals. He
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only won one title. Wilt Chamberlain's different. You know, Wilt
was Babe Ruth with the NBA. But Doctor J was
one of those players that there was just nobody like him.
And he wasn't as refined as you know, some of
the great players, but you know, as far as athleticism
on the break, dunking on people transition was, he was spectacular.
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And I go back to that Portland Trail Blazer series
when the seventy six ers what two games to none
on Bill Walton and the Blazers, and you know, I
think we thought it was going to be a sweep
and then it was Portland won four in a row
and Doctor J was unbelievable in that series. Unbelievable. And
that was a sixer team that had stars, maybe too
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many stars, but Doc was he was just different. He
was at a different level. And to have seen him
in the ABA two games. I saw him play one
against the Kentucky Colonels, but it was just different. You
didn't have somebody. I had not seen somebody like him
when he came along, but he just he missed out
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on that window of opportunity. And I'm trying to think,
I'm sure there's other players, but those are the ones
that come to mind where you go God that if
you look back, nobody was doing what he was doing.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Yes, I just remember being a kid and seeing Doctor
J and being like, WHOA, that dude is different. That's
amazing what he's doing. And then that seemed to in
my mind anyway, handed right off to like Dominique Wilkins,
where it was like, did you see that guy dunk?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
That was unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
They were just doing things that nobody else seemed to
even understand.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
And growing up in a small town in Ohio, we
would read about this. You'd read about Doctor J that
he went to Rutger Park and he's playing in the
league and dunking on people and dominating, and you know,
you're just Crowds would come out to see him that
you know, they'd be on buildings, they were in trees,
they were however, you could get a glimpse of Doctor J.
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And it became so powerful of And I remember they
were playing a preseason game in Cincinnati and got to
go over and see him. And I just remember watching
him and lay up line. So I'd go down on
the floor and I would just be underneath the basket.
I'd just be standing there, not like right under but
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behind it, by the stanchion they call it. And I
just watched him just everything about him, and he had
these massive hands and he just he seemed to float.
But he missed out on that. Now he's one of
the all time greats. He's not mentioned. When's the last
time Doctor J was mentioned in the top fifteen of
all time greats? And okay, maybe he's not if you
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look at the stats, if I combine ABA and NBA,
if I combined you know, his style contributions to the game,
Like he's he's one of the great talents. I mean,
we Mike is obviously the greatest player. Okay, Doctor J
had all of that talent, but he missed his window.
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He missed his window. You know, Jordan's games were all
on TV. You can go back and watch all of those.
You know, Kareem when he came in with the Bucks,
Oh my goodness, we had not seen that ever. You'd
never No, we saw him in college, but in the
NBA you'd never seen a big man who had that
much style, jazz type moves. But I just remember Doctor
(06:09):
j I'm glad I got to see him play twice
and he didn't disappoint. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
Paul Julius Irving played five years in the ABA before
nineteen seventy six. He was the MVP three out of
those five years. The other two years he finished second.
When he got through the NBA, he finished top five
for MVP four times after age thirty.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
That's tough to do.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
But when Magic and Bird are entering the league, Doctor
J's twenty nine years old, so he's going on the
back half. Stats were still really good. But he's the
ultimate example. If he were born four years later, five
years later, it had been Bird, Magic, Doctor then handing
off to Jordan.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, because you know, here's Doctor j An MVP in
nineteen eighty one. Bird and Magic are just coming into
the NBA and then they took it to another level, obviously,
and then all of a sudden, you know, Jordan came
in and said, I'll take it from here. By the way,
it was ten years later. So this is nineteen ninety
one when the Pistons walked off the floor. When so
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there's seven point, there's almost there's like eight seconds left,
and this is when the Bulls swept the Pistons to
go to the NBA Finals. And that's when Isaiah and
company walked off the floor. There was eight seconds to go.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
And I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
That was a rivalry, but let's keep in mind the
Pistons were the ones winning the rivalry. The Bulls caught
him and then beat them, and the Pistons acted like
children walking off the floor.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
Pulling the other thing about Julie's irving, he had three
versions of the same nickname. He went by doctor j
the doctor or Doc. If you'd listen to different calls.
I was watching YouTube, but like when you're a kid,
you're here, Oh the doctor had forty four last night?
Speaker 4 (07:54):
You didn't you need to use a name?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
No, Yeah, Seeden, I feel like you've called him doc before?
Am I making that up? I have called him doc.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
I feel like we maybe that time was did you
talk to him in the airport that day? Airport and
you're like, hey, Doc, I'm almost positive you said that.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah. I was there towards the end of his career.
I don't know if it was his last game, but
it was a playoff game, and I just remember he
was in the trainer's room and he was icing down
his knees and it felt like he put his palms
on his kneecaps and his fingers went down like to
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his ankles. It was like, you know, et if et
was going to have a model after his hands, you know,
with more fingers, it would have been doctor j Phone.
Oh and I just remember, Doc look beaten, you know
when you see somebody towards the end of their career.
And you know, he used to wear those knee braces,
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and I mean the number of times that he jumped, dunked,
landing on asphalt, you know, not having the great shoes.
But uh, yeah, he was there and then all of
a sudden, Burden Magic took it and they didn't give
it back until Jordan took it from them. So just
decide story there. Kyle in Missouri leads us off this
(09:15):
final hour. Hi Kyle, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 4 (09:18):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Dan?
Speaker 7 (09:20):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Kyle six three two twenty Dan pleasure?
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Hold on, Dan?
Speaker 8 (09:31):
Are you there?
Speaker 7 (09:32):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I am, Kyle, Yes, I am.
Speaker 7 (09:34):
Okay, all right, I'm watching on CAI Who'll run?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Never mind now, we'll do it again sometime. No no,
no, no no no, Kyle. If you're just you're just figuring
out things you waited a long time to. Maybe another day, Kyle, Okay,
Jamie and Oklahoma, Hi Jamie, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Heybe Pete? Great script writing today?
Speaker 7 (10:01):
That Baron Salmon bit that Fritzi wrote, Oh amazing?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Uh, Fritzy, what's up?
Speaker 7 (10:07):
Kelly Slater of.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Comedy over there?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I really wish.
Speaker 7 (10:11):
We keep this going.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
We're gonna win.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
We got us to sports, Ammy baby, we got us one.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
All right now? Thank you?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Jamie. Yeah, I wish that we could script things that
were that funny that Fritzy telling me that bears spawned.
Let's see Howard in Indiana. Hi Howard, what's on your
mind today? Morning?
Speaker 9 (10:30):
Dan?
Speaker 8 (10:31):
First time, long time?
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (10:33):
I was catching up on your show this weekend through
the podcast, and I listened to your interview with Wayne Gretzky,
and I know in the past you've kind of made
mention of what a genuinely down to earth, pretty decent
dude he is. When you asked him if he was
the greatest hockey player of all time, his response actually
caused me to choke up because he said right away, no, no, no,
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and then he paid tribute to Gordy Hall and Bobby Hall.
And I mean, clearly he's the greatest hockey player of
all time. But I don't even think he was being
falsely modest in that moment. I mean, in this day
and age of self promotion that I just that response
was so refreshing. And even when you asked him if
he held a grudge against anyone, he was sort of
taken aback. I think he responded like me, oh no, no, no,
(11:19):
that was awesome. I just wanted to share my thoughts
on that.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Once again, if you're ever around him, you would never
know that that's one of the greatest hockey players or
the greatest. And to live up to the hype we
talk about Lebron James living up to the hype, Gretzky
had more heighte than anybody. They were calling him the
great one when he's ten or eleven and he is
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acting like the great one, and then he comes into
the WHA and then you know, eventually goes to the NHL.
And he lived up to and surpassed that. And I
think that's the remarkable part of it. And when you
see him, you, I mean, it looks like he's five ten,
one hundred and sixty and he he understood the game.
(12:07):
That's why we always get caught up in oh my god,
look at that guy, that size or what it's you
have to understand the game. If I put Eric Lindross
and I'm Wayne Gretzky, and I say who had the
better career? I mean, Wayne looks like Eric Lindross's agent,
Like he'd be like, oh, that's that's his agent there
not he's the best player in hockey. Now there's other players.
(12:31):
To me, I think Mary Olemieux could have ended up
as the greatest player of all time. That size, that speed, dexterity,
he was unbelievable. Uh you know, had cancer, but what
he did when he did it, for as long as
he did it, he was remarkable. You know, you get
an argument that Messier was a better player than Wayne
or GORDI Howe was I mean, that's for the hockey
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purist to decide. I was just talking about the personality.
And it's rare when you meet people that you would
and they live up to what you thought they were
going to be or who they were going to be.
And he certainly is that person, every bit that person,
nothing but respect for him. And there's nothing bragging. He
could easily brag. There's no brag. There's not even a
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humble brag. He didn't even joke about that, and he
could easily do that.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
Yes, bo, if you want to have fun sometime, go
to Hockey Reference and just look back at Wayne Gretzy's stats.
It looks like they've been hacked because they don't look real.
At age nineteen, he had fifty one goals, eighty six assists,
one hundred and thirty seven points, won all the trophies
and he was nineteen.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
You know, they need to name the MVP Trophy after wayneam.
I mean, you know that's where I'd like when we
move forward with things. I know that we go, Oh,
you know, it's tradition er. Don't want to lose sight of,
you know, a previous generation. I understand all of that,
but like Therry O'Brien Trophy. That's for winning an NBA championship. Okay,
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you know, but maybe something different the MVP. I've said,
you know, the Bill Russell Ward or Larry and Magic
and the Eastern Conference Western car like then it's you
get more things involved than you do appreciate the history
of the sport. I don't want to erase all the
great things about you know, prior generations, but I also
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want to acknowledge another generation that came after them. And
why not just name the MVP Afterueno. I think that'd
be fine. He might not want it. I mean, go
back to if you want to have a humble but
I mean Jerry West was the logo, although the NBA
didn't acknowledge that, but he's the logo. I think he
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was embarrassed that he was singled out as the logo.
I do, and Jerry never talked about his career, but
he was extremely competitive, extremely but it wasn't about you
know him.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Yeah, I couldn't tell if Jerry West was embarrassed that
he was the logo or annoyed that the league wouldn't
admit it, you.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Know, like he seemed to be a little like man
it'd be cool.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
To maybe get some more of what came along with
being the logo rather than just sort of this loose
idea that we think it's Jerry West.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah. The fact that they can find the picture that
they took the artwork from, I mean, that's that's it's
derived from this picture, and I go, how can you
deny that that's not Jerry? But they would have owed
him a lot of money, a lot of money, and
I don't think it was that for Jerry as much
(15:41):
as just you know, if you're saying I mean that's me,
just say it to me. Yeah, I mean, it's okay,
what Pauline.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
They should have given Jerry West one check in perpetuity.
Here's three million dollars and we get the rights to
the logo forever. And Jerry West probably would have taken
it three million, have done a lot of good work.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, maybe ten million, sure something. Now do you change
the logo at any point? Do you change it and
make it someone like Michael Jordan, even though he has
his own logo. Mike's not going to give that to you,
by the way, that's not happening. I don't know if
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we change I mean, I love the logo. But I
don't know if we move forward with any other sport
where you go, you know what, we're going to change that.
That's that guy because of you know, the licensing deals
with this, you probably can't get away. If the WNBA
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did that with Caitlyn Clark, there'd be an outcry. Of course,
anything with Caitlyn Clark, there's an outcry. It's still amazing,
you know the people who use that as a platform.
Angel reson Caitlin Clark to tell us what's really deep
seated in them. They use her in this rivalry and
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it's really sad. I mean the Ryan Clark you know
RG three, I mean, that is ugly and nobody wins.
And I was embarrassed. I was embarrassed for Ryan Clark.
He since apologized. But that's deep rooted stuff that's on you.
Has nothing to do with these two women there. It's
on you. Let me take a break. We'll talk to
Jim Jackson. He'll join us. Coming up next to your
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Twitter handlelydpshow. He's Jim Jackson, Fox Turner, NBA also college
basketball analysts joining us on the program. I've just spending
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a little time reminiscing about guys who missed their window.
You know, when Bird and Magic came in, and then
Mike came in and the bad Boy, you know, anybody
before that, Kareem I think got short sighted a little bit.
Doctor J did. And I got a chance to see
Doc play twice in the ABA and wow, so it
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was just different. That was he was playing against the
Kentucky Colonels who had Dan Issel and had a really
really good artist Gilmore was on the team, and Doc
was just dunking on people in traffic like it was
like a wild and I had not seen somebody play
like that. Have you met Doctor J.
Speaker 12 (19:42):
Yes, that was my Ironically, I grew up a Sixers
fan because of Doc. Now from Ohio, but it was
close to Philly, so I grew up idolizing the fro.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
And it was moving.
Speaker 12 (19:53):
I wanted to try to have an afro like Doctor J.
And you know at that time too, you know NBA Finals,
I think when they played the Magic his rookie year
and that thing was on take the lay back in the.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Day, remember that.
Speaker 12 (20:07):
But I met Doc at the ninety five All Star
Game in Phoenix. I still had that picture and that
was like a oh you know that moment when you
see Doctor J walking in the room, He's like glide
and you know, in slow motion, it was like, that's Doc.
But then Dan I got to really get a chance
to know him via the Big Three with Ice CBS
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League because he's one of the coaches.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
But more importantly, we were.
Speaker 12 (20:33):
In China with the NBA NBA China Games in twenty eighteen.
That was Lucas rookie year and Doc was there and
we really had a chance to just hang out and
spend time because he's an abbot like me, cigar smoker,
so I would make sure that I have a play
set up that we go to that we can sit
and smoke and talk.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
And he was telling stories. You know, he was with
the Atlanta Hawks in camp. Did you know that?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, yeah, about it wouldn't him.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
They wouldn't let him play.
Speaker 12 (21:03):
Yeah, think about that, Dan, if he would have stayed
with the Hawks, how history could have been different because
he's with the Virginia Squires at the time.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
US Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Yeah, And then went to Atlanta.
Speaker 12 (21:14):
He was in camp the NBA said, he said, if
Doc plays, you have to forfeit the games that he
plays in, and that's how he ended up getting to
the New Jersey Newts and eventually of course at the
Philadelphia seventy six ers. But spending time with him and
it's a different He's just it's something about people have aura,
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and Doc definitely is that person that has.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I was covering the NBA Finals with the Bulls and
the Jazz. We were in Utah, and Jim Gray says,
when you get done with Sports Center stuff, you want
to join me and Doc We're going to be playing golf.
And I'm like, I'm there, and uh so we get there.
We're playing golf and then there's a backup on like
the fifteenth hole and there was a basket ball hoop.
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There was a like a house right you know, behind
the tea box, and there was a basketball out there.
And I said, I said, Doc, you want to go shoot.
So we went over in golf shoes and we're so
I'm shooting hoops and I said, Doc, would you stand
under I lowered the basket to I think eight feet
and I said, would you stand under the hoop? I
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want to dunk on you. Doc went and stood under
the hoop and put his hands up, and then I
dunked on him.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
What.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Yeah, I'm just more surprised you still got up on
the eight foot rim.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I'm just putting on an aerial display man.
Speaker 12 (22:41):
Hey, listen, I played Doc, we played, We're at Big three.
We played golf in Tulsa. And I love Doctor Death
and I'll tell you how smooth he is and everything
is melodic and everything, but sometimes he can be slow
in the golf course too.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Though he wasn't a great as a golfer, he was
a great dunker. So I I love what Giannis has
brought up. Well, we brought it up a while ago,
and that's everybody outside of the United States versus the
United States and the All Star Game. And I said, well,
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what do you have to lose, Like we've already lost
the All Star Game, maybe you can get it back.
And I certainly like my starting five with you know,
the players from outside the United States. What's the negative
to this?
Speaker 12 (23:31):
That the negative to me is that you have to
search for a way for guys to play hard and
search for incentive to make the game interesting because we're
going through all this Dan the Elon system captains picking
their teams different iterations of the All Star Game because
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it falls back on the players and not really wanted
to play and play hard at the end of the day.
When when when the top players really want to play
and you I'm not saying you're going to go out,
you know, one hundred miles per hour and try to
hurt yourself, but you know on that second quarter, that
third quarter, that fourth quarter, when it's time to compete,
when you're playing defense. And again I go back to
(24:14):
you know, the eighties and nineties, two thousands, early when
the games were played hard, okay, and it wasn't just
a dunk contest.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
That's what bothers me that we have to.
Speaker 12 (24:24):
Search that the NBA has to search for reasons to
incentivize the players to really go out and play hard.
So why are we looking at europe European players versus
United States?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Why because because we can't get them to play hard,
you say, for your country. And if the players are
the team world beat the Americans, now you have something.
Now you have, oh my goodness. Then the next year
like now we have something. I don't watch the All
(24:58):
Star Game because I said it's a glorified layup line.
I couldn't. I don't care even the dunk contest. I
don't care. Three point You can still dress that up. Yeah,
you NBA and NBA you could have prior like Del
Curry and Steph Curry could be a team. You know,
you could. You could do something like that, and I'd
be fine with that. But this to me, if if
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the world beat Team USA, I think at least it
has a pulse.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Well, how does it?
Speaker 12 (25:27):
But here's the thing too, how do you Well guys
get left out because of this? And with regards to
the number of players, well, the number of players too,
because if you think about it, if you get a
twenty five players or twenty four players or whatever it
may be, and now you're looking at placing a European
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team together American team, that means you can need twelve
European players, right, They's say you got twelve on the bench.
I mean twelve on the team, but ironically maybe five
to eight are your real All Stars. So that means
now you're putting another four to five players that are
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there that are taking spots from other players who should
be All Star. Okay, so you run into that dynamic too.
It sounds great, but when you're voting for the All
Star team, you pick the twenty four to twenty five
best players the All Star Ironically, they're not going to
be the majority're going to be American players, but you
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have to fill out that roster if is the European team,
and that means on the American side, it's going to
be guys that deserve to be an All Star that
don't end up making it if you go that way.
Not again, I don't know how they'll the process a beat,
but I think you have that as something that you
really have to look at on how that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, I think that's fair. I do. But I'm just
trying to have the All Star Game mean something, and
this might be your last ditch. Deefford talking to Jim
Jackson Fox Turner, NBA college basketball analyst. The Knicks or
two and a half point underdogs against the Pacers. What
happened in that fourth quarter that Indiana forgot to do
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or Indiana or the Knicks you know, remembered to do well.
Speaker 12 (27:20):
I think you got to give a lot of credits
to the Knicks. It was of course car Antony Town's
got reactivated. I mean he really played extremely well, and
you know, he played assertive. I thought it was some
shots that he took early they kind of built the
defense out. But you got to give og Ananobe credit.
He played extremely well. Miles McBride, Deuce McBride came in
and played extremely well. I mean he had a critical role,
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you know in that game, in particular in the fourth quarter,
not just offensively, but defensively too, kind of making some
things happen. And when you're you know, in this situation,
you play a little bit desperate. You now O two,
I mean down two oh on the road, and really
the pressure is kind of more on even though it's
pressure on.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
New York to it.
Speaker 12 (28:00):
Don't get me wrong, because you go down three to zero,
it's you know, it's basically over, but you're not expected
to kind of win that game just based on how
the series was going.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Even though this was you think about this.
Speaker 12 (28:10):
Then it came every game came down to a one
or two possession game, okay, and that New York probably
sat back and said, you know, if we cleaned up
what happened in the third quarter, some turnover, some tough shots,
not giving up an offensive rebound, we win those two
games at home.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
And that's the mentality you have to have.
Speaker 12 (28:30):
And other guys really stepped up, my I mean, Michel
Bridges stepped up big time, made some great defensive plays,
offensive plays, and a lot of that was done, you know,
Dan with Jalen Brunson sitting on the bench, you know,
and that says a lot about the character of that
New York team. Now, can it be duplicated, We don't know.
But you play hard, you give yourself a chance to win,
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you don't turn it over. And the ball moved a
lot more late in that fourth quarter, the last five minutes.
That gave New York opportunities to be able to score
the ball and eventually win the game.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, but okay, it's not fair to say it, but
it is real. They'll move the ball more with Brunson
not ball dominant. Well, I'm not saying that you win
without him, but it's a different it's a different Knicks
team or style that they seem to capitalize on. Whether that,
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you know, I still think that Tibbs needs to play
more guys. You know, he's stuck on like six guys.
But you have some guys who have experience and put
him in there, and they had to out of necessity
with Brunson, but it just felt like the ball moved
a little bit more and they benefited from them.
Speaker 12 (29:44):
Well in the last couple of games too, well, he
went with the change in the starting lineup. Okay, move
Josh Hart back to the bench. He played Landry Shammitt,
you know, in the game. But here's the thing, because
we got a snippet of about five and a half
minutes of no Brunson right when he left game in
the fourth quarter, came back in with about a minute
something left, and everybody's saying, well, it looks better without Brunton. Yeah,
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but you know what, Brunton was there to both the game,
to get you to that point. So you can have
a snippet of it. But imagine if Brunton is not
there for the totality of the game. This is a
different New York team now, you're asking guys to do
this for fifteen twenty twenty five thirty minutes to be
able to do what we saw in five minutes.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
That's a different ask, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
And I agree lazy analysis on people, they say, but
it makes sense, you know, in that it made sense.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
It made moments.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yes, it's like when people said the Celtics are better
without Tatum.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Stop it.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Exactly by the way, Tyre's Haliburton's dad's allowed back in
the building.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
But only in this week. No word near the court.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Did you ever have a family member create an incident
not a game.
Speaker 12 (30:57):
No ever, and I had, you know, I was fortunate
my my father, my mother, they weren't. They were always
in the background. Never, No, that's my son out there.
I mean high school, college and the pro.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Uh.
Speaker 12 (31:11):
My relatives who came to the game that were really
close to me. They were just so happy and the
lady to be just in the building a lot of
times to be and see other players play, but proud
of what I've done.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
But never friendsmates. No, I've never played with a teammate
that now.
Speaker 12 (31:30):
I had some that I ever have over the top,
let's say parents or crew. Yeah, maybe a little bit,
but not to where it never interfered with the game. No,
maybe at practices or doing stuff or trying to travel
and be at stuff. Yeah, that part, but not what
we saw were on the court after a game in
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another player's face.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
I didn't have I didn't experience that part.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I like what Okay he did, and that is I
don't want your best player to beat me. Now you
do run the risk of the other players. And the
other players played really well for the Thunder. But Anthony
Edwards saying basically, I didn't have a bad game, like
you know, I made the right choices here where do
you stand on the field? Goal attempts were limited for
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the best player on your team.
Speaker 12 (32:23):
Well, that's very mature of Anthony Edwards and it's a
correct analysis.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Being this. OKC made it a point in.
Speaker 12 (32:32):
Particular lou Dort that Anthony wasn't gonna get a lot
of airspace. You know, in the previous game he had
a lot of good isolations on the wing. He was
able to get one on one.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
But when you're.
Speaker 12 (32:43):
Facing this OKAC team, think about this. What you want
to do is you want to get a mismatch. Everybody
wants to figure out a mismatch. So when Anthony Edwards,
who initiates the offense, comes down and sets once that
pick and roll up top with Holme, Grin or Hardenstein,
it's incumbent upon the guy that's guarding to get over
that screen. So now you don't have a switch and
you're basically back to one on one defense.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
And that's what lou Dort did most of the night.
Speaker 12 (33:08):
He stayed, he got over those screens, so now you
don't have a mismatch. And when they did, they loaded
up on an So the thirteen shots was a result
of excellent one schematically designing a defense that works, but
two the commitment for OKC players to really execute that scheme.
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Because you could have a scheme all you want, and
coaches will tell you that they say, listen, we lost
this game because we didn't execute our game plan.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Well that wasn't a case for OKC man.
Speaker 12 (33:40):
I mean, whoever was in that pick and roll situation
or needed to be around Anthony Anderson, they did a
heck of a job. And then when he went into traffic,
he was double triple team and had to get rid
of the ball.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Most annoying defender you ever faced.
Speaker 12 (33:55):
Muggsy Bogus, not even close, not even because my second
year we traded. I was in Dallas and we traded
uh Jared garper Right to New York.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
So I'm playing point guard. Man.
Speaker 12 (34:10):
We played Charlotte, and you know, Muggsy's five two with
with with some insoles in okay, and he'll pick you
up full court and he gets up underneath you, and
the annoying is all I'm like, man, just here's the ball.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
I'm gon get it back over half court.
Speaker 12 (34:27):
But because people don't understand how strong Monkey Bogus was
at the time, even though he was didn't have the height,
but his advantage was the further you wore away from
the basket. His speed is quickness and its size wasn't
a liability and not annoyed the heck out of me.
When I played against Charlotte and had to bring it
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up against a smaller quicker and a defensive minded point
guard like like Muggsy Bowls, I still hate to see
him coming.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
I'm like, Muggy, may get out of here, man.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
He was actually five to two five three.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
I said what I said, what insoul's in?
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, isn't it amazing? Though? Somebody that size could could
have a lengthy career in the NBA.
Speaker 12 (35:17):
Look at yeah he look at Spudweb. Spud Web, I
mean the same thing.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Bud wasn't as good as Muggsy what but in.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
A different way though. Spud was a lot more affen.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
He won the dunk contest.
Speaker 12 (35:28):
Yeah, and he was more Yeah, and he's Muggsy was
a terror on defense man, Yeah, a terror.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
He could play, he could be his starter.
Speaker 12 (35:40):
I mean, well, you know, you know it's interesting day
you brought that up to, is that people talk about
guys that couldn't play back in the day because of size, Like, say,
step are you so we just named two who were
small that played, you know, Michael Adams back in the
day when he played for Denver. Okay, he was he
was small, Okay. It's guys that played back in that
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time that were smaller, leaner in a more physical league
that still knew how to play because they grew up
playing in that era, playing with that physicality, knowing how
to use their size. So that's why I laugh at
when people say, you know, Steph couldn't play back in
the you know, late eighties and nineties. I'm like, well,
why not you know, here's examples of guys that did.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Great to talk to you always. Thanks for lighting. Yes,
who you got tonight? I have the knicks.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
I like that.
Speaker 12 (36:36):
I'm greedy because I won seven games. Man, I won
six to seven games in both series. I was just
pointed in, you know OKC and Minnesota game, and I
think about the Minnesota game. I say this before we go.
People look at ant And and Rando only scoring twenty
one points compared to there's seventy four between Shay and Williams.
But it wasn't that to me. This is a two
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point game. Yeah, you give up twenty three turnovers, right,
Dan Okase had ninety four possessions. Minnesota only had eighty five.
That's an eleven possession different in the two point game
despite all what was going on. That to me, when
Minnesota gets themselves in trouble is when they turn the
ball over and they lose the possession game.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Good to talk to you always, brother, enjoyce and nik you.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
That's Jim Jackson, Fox Turner, NBA and college basketball analyst.
We'll take a break, last call for phone calls. What
we learn, what's in store tomorrow after.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
This, be sure to catch the live edition of The
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Speaker 2 (37:44):
Last call for phone calls, what we learn? What's in
store tomorrow? DraftKings just sent me the NBA title odds update.
It is the Thunder big margin, and then it's the Pacers,
then the Knicks, and then the Timberwolves. A distant fourth
Tucker in North Carolina, Good morning, Tuck. How can I
help you?
Speaker 9 (38:05):
How you doing both?
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Great? Six? Four one one five lean.
Speaker 9 (38:15):
I'm honored to be on the phone with the goat.
Here's what I got. I got co Ed Softball League
first game of the season tonight, first season ever for
my squad, the mo runs, got all the homies, the fiance,
all the girlfriends on the team. Was just looking for
some words of encouragement. Maybe something I should tell the
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squad before the game. Any advice from you, It would
be very much appreciated.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
All right, well, you come to the right place, win
or lose, we celebrate, Tuck. That's what I would tell now,
good luck tonight. We're all counting on you. I look
for the highlights on Sports Center. Patrick in Scottsdale. Patrick
what's on your mind?
Speaker 7 (39:03):
Hey, good morning, Dan, five eleven one five, first time,
first time, long time listener. I'm just sitting home on
a vacation on my couch here and watching the show.
I usually listen on the radio, but I really appreciate
your your comments regarding doctor J. I grew up as
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having him as my role model. He was my sports hero.
I remember doing a book report back in seventh grade
and god, I don't know if it was Sports Illustrated
or the Sporting News, but there was a picture of
him going up for a dunk and I traced it
out on tracing paper and I had on my book report.
It was awesome.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Thank you Patrick. Yeah, And he's one of those guys
when you meet him. And when I first met Joe Namath,
I thanked him. I said thank you for being who
I thought were hoping you were going to be. And
he looked at me like he hadn't heard that before.
But in my you know, I'm from a small town,
I'm never going to meet these people. And then you
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meet these people. And granted not everybody was what I
was hoping they were going to be, but no names,
but Joe Namath was doctor J. I mean, there's there's
a long, long, long list this day in sports history, Paul, for.
Speaker 6 (40:20):
Me, just a couple for you, Dan, please. The Preaknese Stakes,
the first ever Preaknis Stakes, eighteen seventy three, one by survivor.
Twenty eighteen, Lebron James reaches eighth straight NBA Finals. The
Cavs got by the Celtics, and nineteen e two three
New Jersey businessmen bought the NHL's Colorado Rockies. They got
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approval to move the teams fromy to New Jersey and
become the Devils.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Yeah. I mean the fact of Lebron went to nine
consecutive NBA finals, Yeah, that's remarkable. I saw where David Falk,
Michael Jordan's agent, former agent, said that if Jordan was picking,
he would have won fifteen titles. If he did what
Lebron did, he would have won fifteen titles. I mean,
that's just that's a topic for another day. But I mean,
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I don't it's I don't know of a star, a
truly transcendent, one of the all time grades, who takes
more abuse than Lebron James does. He just takes strays
all the time. Yeah, I don't know that that is
a topic for another day. Got admit, you know, Michael
could have won fifteen if you wanted to.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
He chose to not.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
I hate that kind of crap.
Speaker 5 (41:31):
I know he wanted to win as many as he
possibly could.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
That's what he had, that's what he got. He didn't
just say, you know what this year, well, I let
somebody else take it.
Speaker 6 (41:39):
Yeah, and I was really expecting David Fouk, who made
millions off Michael Jordan, to be objective about this discussion.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
That's what we learned today. Have a great day, everybody.
We'll talk to you tomorrow.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Final Hour on this Tuesday. I hope you had a
great weekend. Gangs all here refreshed, ready to go Fritzy
of course the Minister of Humor and inadvertently accidentally provided
some humor in the first hour of the program as
we learned that bears apparently can spawn. I thought that
only samon could, but Todd found out that bears can
spawn in video games. In video games, yeah, seems to go.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
To the next level of research. And that's something that
could happen maybe in a video game, but not in
real life.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Really not in real life bears they don't spawn. They
just have cups. They hybridate and have cups.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
There's no eggs involved, I guess or something.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I don't think so, I don't think that's how it works.
But thank you Todd. You continue to add value to
that NYU educre.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
It is yes, that gonna have you back to make
a speech or you know, send the graduates on their way.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I can't imagine they would have you come back for
a commencement speech.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I haven't gotten anything yet from them corresponding success more money.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I wouldn't be waiting at the at the mail box.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
That's all they're looking for.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Long commencement speech, A long, long commencement speech. So Fritzy
is here, Seaton, mar Paul yours truly the brg's We'll
talk to Jim Jackson covering the NBA playoffs, the Fox
Turner basketball analyst. The Knicks are two and a half
point underdogs of the Pacers coming up tonight. The Thunder
up three to one on the Timberwolves. As SGA gets
(01:28):
his MVP and then acts like one and gets forty
points eight seven seven three DP show operator Tyler sitting by,
we'll get some more phone calls, your best and worst
of the weekend. By the way, it was on this
date back in nineteen eighty one, and it was a
big moment. And I remember it because I got a
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chance to watch this guy play, but the rest of
the country did not really get a chance to see
him play. Doctor j won the MVP in the ABA,
and on this date in nineteen eighty one, won the
MVP in the NBA. There's a couple of players who
missed their window to showcase their greatness. Elgin Baylor was
(02:12):
one of the first longtime Laker great. I think that
Kareem Abdul Jabbar lu Al Sindor when he was with
the Bucks, when he was first starting out. Oscar Robertson
spent most of his career in Cincinnati. Only known for
one thing, and that's the triple double, but he was
so much more than that. Jerry West, his playing career
was unbelievable, but he kept losing in the finals. He
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only won one title. Wilt Chamberlain's different. You know, Wilt
was Babe Ruth with the NBA. But Doctor J was
one of those players that there was just nobody like him.
And he wasn't as refined as you know, some of
the great players, but you know, as far as athleticism
on the break, dunking on people transition was, he was spectacular.
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And I go back to that Portland Trail Blazer series
when the seventy six ers what two games to none
on Bill Walton and the Blazers, and you know, I
think we thought it was going to be a sweep
and then it was Portland won four in a row
and Doctor J was unbelievable in that series. Unbelievable. And
that was a sixer team that had stars, maybe too
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many stars, but Doc was he was just different. He
was at a different level. And to have seen him
in the ABA two games. I saw him play one
against the Kentucky Colonels, but it was just different. You
didn't have somebody. I had not seen somebody like him
when he came along, but he just he missed out
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on that window of opportunity. And I'm trying to think,
I'm sure there's other players, but those are the ones
that come to mind where you go God that if
you look back, nobody was doing what he was doing.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Yes, I just remember being a kid and seeing Doctor
J and being like, WHOA, that dude is different. That's
amazing what he's doing. And then that seemed to in
my mind anyway, handed right off to like Dominique Wilkins,
where it was like, did you see that guy dunk?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
That was unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
They were just doing things that nobody else seemed to
even understand.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
And growing up in a small town in Ohio, we
would read about this. You'd read about Doctor J that
he went to Rutger Park and he's playing in the
league and dunking on people and dominating, and you know,
you're just Crowds would come out to see him that
you know, they'd be on buildings, they were in trees,
they were however, you could get a glimpse of Doctor J.
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And it became so powerful of And I remember they
were playing a preseason game in Cincinnati and got to
go over and see him. And I just remember watching
him and lay up line. So I'd go down on
the floor and I would just be underneath the basket.
I'd just be standing there, not like right under but
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behind it, by the stanchion they call it. And I
just watched him just everything about him, and he had
these massive hands and he just he seemed to float.
But he missed out on that. Now he's one of
the all time greats. He's not mentioned. When's the last
time Doctor J was mentioned in the top fifteen of
all time greats? And okay, maybe he's not if you
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look at the stats, if I combine ABA and NBA,
if I combined you know, his style contributions to the game,
Like he's he's one of the great talents. I mean,
we Mike is obviously the greatest player. Okay, Doctor J
had all of that talent, but he missed his window.
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He missed his window. You know, Jordan's games were all
on TV. You can go back and watch all of those.
You know, Kareem when he came in with the Bucks,
Oh my goodness, we had not seen that ever. You'd
never No, we saw him in college, but in the
NBA you'd never seen a big man who had that
much style, jazz type moves. But I just remember Doctor
(06:09):
j I'm glad I got to see him play twice
and he didn't disappoint. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
Paul Julius Irving played five years in the ABA before
nineteen seventy six. He was the MVP three out of
those five years. The other two years he finished second.
When he got through the NBA, he finished top five
for MVP four times after age thirty.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
That's tough to do.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
But when Magic and Bird are entering the league, Doctor
J's twenty nine years old, so he's going on the
back half. Stats were still really good. But he's the
ultimate example. If he were born four years later, five
years later, it had been Bird, Magic, Doctor then handing
off to Jordan.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, because you know, here's Doctor j An MVP in
nineteen eighty one. Bird and Magic are just coming into
the NBA and then they took it to another level, obviously,
and then all of a sudden, you know, Jordan came
in and said, I'll take it from here. By the way,
it was ten years later. So this is nineteen ninety
one when the Pistons walked off the floor. When so
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there's seven point, there's almost there's like eight seconds left,
and this is when the Bulls swept the Pistons to
go to the NBA Finals. And that's when Isaiah and
company walked off the floor. There was eight seconds to go.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
And I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
That was a rivalry, but let's keep in mind the
Pistons were the ones winning the rivalry. The Bulls caught
him and then beat them, and the Pistons acted like
children walking off the floor.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
Pulling the other thing about Julie's irving, he had three
versions of the same nickname. He went by doctor j
the doctor or Doc. If you'd listen to different calls.
I was watching YouTube, but like when you're a kid,
you're here, Oh the doctor had forty four last night?
Speaker 4 (07:54):
You didn't you need to use a name?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
No, Yeah, Seeden, I feel like you've called him doc before?
Am I making that up? I have called him doc.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
I feel like we maybe that time was did you
talk to him in the airport that day? Airport and
you're like, hey, Doc, I'm almost positive you said that.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah. I was there towards the end of his career.
I don't know if it was his last game, but
it was a playoff game, and I just remember he
was in the trainer's room and he was icing down
his knees and it felt like he put his palms
on his kneecaps and his fingers went down like to
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his ankles. It was like, you know, et if et
was going to have a model after his hands, you know,
with more fingers, it would have been doctor j Phone.
Oh and I just remember, Doc look beaten, you know
when you see somebody towards the end of their career.
And you know, he used to wear those knee braces,
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and I mean the number of times that he jumped, dunked,
landing on asphalt, you know, not having the great shoes.
But uh, yeah, he was there and then all of
a sudden, Burden Magic took it and they didn't give
it back until Jordan took it from them. So just
decide story there. Kyle in Missouri leads us off this
(09:15):
final hour. Hi Kyle, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 4 (09:18):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Dan?
Speaker 7 (09:20):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Kyle six three two twenty Dan pleasure?
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Hold on, Dan?
Speaker 8 (09:31):
Are you there?
Speaker 7 (09:32):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I am, Kyle, Yes, I am.
Speaker 7 (09:34):
Okay, all right, I'm watching on CAI Who'll run?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Never mind now, we'll do it again sometime. No no,
no, no no no, Kyle. If you're just you're just figuring
out things you waited a long time to. Maybe another day, Kyle, Okay,
Jamie and Oklahoma, Hi Jamie, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Heybe Pete? Great script writing today?
Speaker 7 (10:01):
That Baron Salmon bit that Fritzi wrote, Oh amazing?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Uh, Fritzy, what's up?
Speaker 7 (10:07):
Kelly Slater of.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Comedy over there?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I really wish.
Speaker 7 (10:11):
We keep this going.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
We're gonna win.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
We got us to sports, Ammy baby, we got us one.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
All right now? Thank you?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Jamie. Yeah, I wish that we could script things that
were that funny that Fritzy telling me that bears spawned.
Let's see Howard in Indiana. Hi Howard, what's on your
mind today? Morning?
Speaker 9 (10:30):
Dan?
Speaker 8 (10:31):
First time, long time?
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (10:33):
I was catching up on your show this weekend through
the podcast, and I listened to your interview with Wayne Gretzky,
and I know in the past you've kind of made
mention of what a genuinely down to earth, pretty decent
dude he is. When you asked him if he was
the greatest hockey player of all time, his response actually
caused me to choke up because he said right away, no, no, no,
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and then he paid tribute to Gordy Hall and Bobby Hall.
And I mean, clearly he's the greatest hockey player of
all time. But I don't even think he was being
falsely modest in that moment. I mean, in this day
and age of self promotion that I just that response
was so refreshing. And even when you asked him if
he held a grudge against anyone, he was sort of
taken aback. I think he responded like me, oh no, no, no,
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that was awesome. I just wanted to share my thoughts
on that.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Once again, if you're ever around him, you would never
know that that's one of the greatest hockey players or
the greatest. And to live up to the hype we
talk about Lebron James living up to the hype, Gretzky
had more heighte than anybody. They were calling him the
great one when he's ten or eleven and he is
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acting like the great one, and then he comes into
the WHA and then you know, eventually goes to the NHL.
And he lived up to and surpassed that. And I
think that's the remarkable part of it. And when you
see him, you, I mean, it looks like he's five ten,
one hundred and sixty and he he understood the game.
(12:07):
That's why we always get caught up in oh my god,
look at that guy, that size or what it's you
have to understand the game. If I put Eric Lindross
and I'm Wayne Gretzky, and I say who had the
better career? I mean, Wayne looks like Eric Lindross's agent,
Like he'd be like, oh, that's that's his agent there
not he's the best player in hockey. Now there's other players.
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To me, I think Mary Olemieux could have ended up
as the greatest player of all time. That size, that speed, dexterity,
he was unbelievable. Uh you know, had cancer, but what
he did when he did it, for as long as
he did it, he was remarkable. You know, you get
an argument that Messier was a better player than Wayne
or GORDI Howe was I mean, that's for the hockey
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purist to decide. I was just talking about the personality.
And it's rare when you meet people that you would
and they live up to what you thought they were
going to be or who they were going to be.
And he certainly is that person, every bit that person,
nothing but respect for him. And there's nothing bragging. He
could easily brag. There's no brag. There's not even a
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humble brag. He didn't even joke about that, and he
could easily do that.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
Yes, bo, if you want to have fun sometime, go
to Hockey Reference and just look back at Wayne Gretzy's stats.
It looks like they've been hacked because they don't look real.
At age nineteen, he had fifty one goals, eighty six assists,
one hundred and thirty seven points, won all the trophies
and he was nineteen.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
You know, they need to name the MVP Trophy after wayneam.
I mean, you know that's where I'd like when we
move forward with things. I know that we go, Oh,
you know, it's tradition er. Don't want to lose sight of,
you know, a previous generation. I understand all of that,
but like Therry O'Brien Trophy. That's for winning an NBA championship. Okay,
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you know, but maybe something different the MVP. I've said,
you know, the Bill Russell Ward or Larry and Magic
and the Eastern Conference Western car like then it's you
get more things involved than you do appreciate the history
of the sport. I don't want to erase all the
great things about you know, prior generations, but I also
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want to acknowledge another generation that came after them. And
why not just name the MVP Afterueno. I think that'd
be fine. He might not want it. I mean, go
back to if you want to have a humble but
I mean Jerry West was the logo, although the NBA
didn't acknowledge that, but he's the logo. I think he
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was embarrassed that he was singled out as the logo.
I do, and Jerry never talked about his career, but
he was extremely competitive, extremely but it wasn't about you
know him.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Yeah, I couldn't tell if Jerry West was embarrassed that
he was the logo or annoyed that the league wouldn't
admit it, you.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Know, like he seemed to be a little like man
it'd be cool.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
To maybe get some more of what came along with
being the logo rather than just sort of this loose
idea that we think it's Jerry West.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah. The fact that they can find the picture that
they took the artwork from, I mean, that's that's it's
derived from this picture, and I go, how can you
deny that that's not Jerry? But they would have owed
him a lot of money, a lot of money, and
I don't think it was that for Jerry as much
(15:41):
as just you know, if you're saying I mean that's me,
just say it to me. Yeah, I mean, it's okay,
what Pauline.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
They should have given Jerry West one check in perpetuity.
Here's three million dollars and we get the rights to
the logo forever. And Jerry West probably would have taken
it three million, have done a lot of good work.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, maybe ten million, sure something. Now do you change
the logo at any point? Do you change it and
make it someone like Michael Jordan, even though he has
his own logo. Mike's not going to give that to you,
by the way, that's not happening. I don't know if
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we change I mean, I love the logo. But I
don't know if we move forward with any other sport
where you go, you know what, we're going to change that.
That's that guy because of you know, the licensing deals
with this, you probably can't get away. If the WNBA
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did that with Caitlyn Clark, there'd be an outcry. Of course,
anything with Caitlyn Clark, there's an outcry. It's still amazing,
you know the people who use that as a platform.
Angel reson Caitlin Clark to tell us what's really deep
seated in them. They use her in this rivalry and
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it's really sad. I mean the Ryan Clark you know
RG three, I mean, that is ugly and nobody wins.
And I was embarrassed. I was embarrassed for Ryan Clark.
He since apologized. But that's deep rooted stuff that's on you.
Has nothing to do with these two women there. It's
on you. Let me take a break. We'll talk to
Jim Jackson. He'll join us. Coming up next to your
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Twitter handlelydpshow. He's Jim Jackson, Fox Turner, NBA also college
basketball analysts joining us on the program. I've just spending
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a little time reminiscing about guys who missed their window.
You know, when Bird and Magic came in, and then
Mike came in and the bad Boy, you know, anybody
before that, Kareem I think got short sighted a little bit.
Doctor J did. And I got a chance to see
Doc play twice in the ABA and wow, so it
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was just different. That was he was playing against the
Kentucky Colonels who had Dan Issel and had a really
really good artist Gilmore was on the team, and Doc
was just dunking on people in traffic like it was
like a wild and I had not seen somebody play
like that. Have you met Doctor J.
Speaker 12 (19:42):
Yes, that was my Ironically, I grew up a Sixers
fan because of Doc. Now from Ohio, but it was
close to Philly, so I grew up idolizing the fro.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
And it was moving.
Speaker 12 (19:53):
I wanted to try to have an afro like Doctor J.
And you know at that time too, you know NBA Finals,
I think when they played the Magic his rookie year
and that thing was on take the lay back in the.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Day, remember that.
Speaker 12 (20:07):
But I met Doc at the ninety five All Star
Game in Phoenix. I still had that picture and that
was like a oh you know that moment when you
see Doctor J walking in the room, He's like glide
and you know, in slow motion, it was like, that's Doc.
But then Dan I got to really get a chance
to know him via the Big Three with Ice CBS
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League because he's one of the coaches.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
But more importantly, we were.
Speaker 12 (20:33):
In China with the NBA NBA China Games in twenty eighteen.
That was Lucas rookie year and Doc was there and
we really had a chance to just hang out and
spend time because he's an abbot like me, cigar smoker,
so I would make sure that I have a play
set up that we go to that we can sit
and smoke and talk.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
And he was telling stories. You know, he was with
the Atlanta Hawks in camp. Did you know that?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, yeah, about it wouldn't him.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
They wouldn't let him play.
Speaker 12 (21:03):
Yeah, think about that, Dan, if he would have stayed
with the Hawks, how history could have been different because
he's with the Virginia Squires at the time.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
US Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Yeah, And then went to Atlanta.
Speaker 12 (21:14):
He was in camp the NBA said, he said, if
Doc plays, you have to forfeit the games that he
plays in, and that's how he ended up getting to
the New Jersey Newts and eventually of course at the
Philadelphia seventy six ers. But spending time with him and
it's a different He's just it's something about people have aura,
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and Doc definitely is that person that has.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I was covering the NBA Finals with the Bulls and
the Jazz. We were in Utah, and Jim Gray says,
when you get done with Sports Center stuff, you want
to join me and Doc We're going to be playing golf.
And I'm like, I'm there, and uh so we get there.
We're playing golf and then there's a backup on like
the fifteenth hole and there was a basket ball hoop.
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There was a like a house right you know, behind
the tea box, and there was a basketball out there.
And I said, I said, Doc, you want to go shoot.
So we went over in golf shoes and we're so
I'm shooting hoops and I said, Doc, would you stand
under I lowered the basket to I think eight feet
and I said, would you stand under the hoop? I
(22:22):
want to dunk on you. Doc went and stood under
the hoop and put his hands up, and then I
dunked on him.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
What.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Yeah, I'm just more surprised you still got up on
the eight foot rim.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I'm just putting on an aerial display man.
Speaker 12 (22:41):
Hey, listen, I played Doc, we played, We're at Big three.
We played golf in Tulsa. And I love Doctor Death
and I'll tell you how smooth he is and everything
is melodic and everything, but sometimes he can be slow
in the golf course too.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Though he wasn't a great as a golfer, he was
a great dunker. So I I love what Giannis has
brought up. Well, we brought it up a while ago,
and that's everybody outside of the United States versus the
United States and the All Star Game. And I said, well,
(23:15):
what do you have to lose, Like we've already lost
the All Star Game, maybe you can get it back.
And I certainly like my starting five with you know,
the players from outside the United States. What's the negative
to this?
Speaker 12 (23:31):
That the negative to me is that you have to
search for a way for guys to play hard and
search for incentive to make the game interesting because we're
going through all this Dan the Elon system captains picking
their teams different iterations of the All Star Game because
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it falls back on the players and not really wanted
to play and play hard at the end of the day.
When when when the top players really want to play
and you I'm not saying you're going to go out,
you know, one hundred miles per hour and try to
hurt yourself, but you know on that second quarter, that
third quarter, that fourth quarter, when it's time to compete,
when you're playing defense. And again I go back to
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you know, the eighties and nineties, two thousands, early when
the games were played hard, okay, and it wasn't just
a dunk contest.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
That's what bothers me that we have to.
Speaker 12 (24:24):
Search that the NBA has to search for reasons to
incentivize the players to really go out and play hard.
So why are we looking at europe European players versus
United States?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Why because because we can't get them to play hard,
you say, for your country. And if the players are
the team world beat the Americans, now you have something.
Now you have, oh my goodness. Then the next year
like now we have something. I don't watch the All
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Star Game because I said it's a glorified layup line.
I couldn't. I don't care even the dunk contest. I
don't care. Three point You can still dress that up. Yeah,
you NBA and NBA you could have prior like Del
Curry and Steph Curry could be a team. You know,
you could. You could do something like that, and I'd
be fine with that. But this to me, if if
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the world beat Team USA, I think at least it
has a pulse.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Well, how does it?
Speaker 12 (25:27):
But here's the thing too, how do you Well guys
get left out because of this? And with regards to
the number of players, well, the number of players too,
because if you think about it, if you get a
twenty five players or twenty four players or whatever it
may be, and now you're looking at placing a European
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team together American team, that means you can need twelve
European players, right, They's say you got twelve on the bench.
I mean twelve on the team, but ironically maybe five
to eight are your real All Stars. So that means
now you're putting another four to five players that are
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there that are taking spots from other players who should
be All Star. Okay, so you run into that dynamic too.
It sounds great, but when you're voting for the All
Star team, you pick the twenty four to twenty five
best players the All Star Ironically, they're not going to
be the majority're going to be American players, but you
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have to fill out that roster if is the European team,
and that means on the American side, it's going to
be guys that deserve to be an All Star that
don't end up making it if you go that way.
Not again, I don't know how they'll the process a beat,
but I think you have that as something that you
really have to look at on how that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, I think that's fair. I do. But I'm just
trying to have the All Star Game mean something, and
this might be your last ditch. Deefford talking to Jim
Jackson Fox Turner, NBA college basketball analyst. The Knicks or
two and a half point underdogs against the Pacers. What
happened in that fourth quarter that Indiana forgot to do
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or Indiana or the Knicks you know, remembered to do well.
Speaker 12 (27:20):
I think you got to give a lot of credits
to the Knicks. It was of course car Antony Town's
got reactivated. I mean he really played extremely well, and
you know, he played assertive. I thought it was some
shots that he took early they kind of built the
defense out. But you got to give og Ananobe credit.
He played extremely well. Miles McBride, Deuce McBride came in
and played extremely well. I mean he had a critical role,
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you know in that game, in particular in the fourth quarter,
not just offensively, but defensively too, kind of making some
things happen. And when you're you know, in this situation,
you play a little bit desperate. You now O two,
I mean down two oh on the road, and really
the pressure is kind of more on even though it's
pressure on.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
New York to it.
Speaker 12 (28:00):
Don't get me wrong, because you go down three to zero,
it's you know, it's basically over, but you're not expected
to kind of win that game just based on how
the series was going.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Even though this was you think about this.
Speaker 12 (28:10):
Then it came every game came down to a one
or two possession game, okay, and that New York probably
sat back and said, you know, if we cleaned up
what happened in the third quarter, some turnover, some tough shots,
not giving up an offensive rebound, we win those two
games at home.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
And that's the mentality you have to have.
Speaker 12 (28:30):
And other guys really stepped up, my I mean, Michel
Bridges stepped up big time, made some great defensive plays,
offensive plays, and a lot of that was done, you know,
Dan with Jalen Brunson sitting on the bench, you know,
and that says a lot about the character of that
New York team. Now, can it be duplicated, We don't know.
But you play hard, you give yourself a chance to win,
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you don't turn it over. And the ball moved a
lot more late in that fourth quarter, the last five minutes.
That gave New York opportunities to be able to score
the ball and eventually win the game.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, but okay, it's not fair to say it, but
it is real. They'll move the ball more with Brunson
not ball dominant. Well, I'm not saying that you win
without him, but it's a different it's a different Knicks
team or style that they seem to capitalize on. Whether that,
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you know, I still think that Tibbs needs to play
more guys. You know, he's stuck on like six guys.
But you have some guys who have experience and put
him in there, and they had to out of necessity
with Brunson, but it just felt like the ball moved
a little bit more and they benefited from them.
Speaker 12 (29:44):
Well in the last couple of games too, well, he
went with the change in the starting lineup. Okay, move
Josh Hart back to the bench. He played Landry Shammitt,
you know, in the game. But here's the thing, because
we got a snippet of about five and a half
minutes of no Brunson right when he left game in
the fourth quarter, came back in with about a minute
something left, and everybody's saying, well, it looks better without Brunton. Yeah,
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but you know what, Brunton was there to both the game,
to get you to that point. So you can have
a snippet of it. But imagine if Brunton is not
there for the totality of the game. This is a
different New York team now, you're asking guys to do
this for fifteen twenty twenty five thirty minutes to be
able to do what we saw in five minutes.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
That's a different ask, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
And I agree lazy analysis on people, they say, but
it makes sense, you know, in that it made sense.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
It made moments.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yes, it's like when people said the Celtics are better
without Tatum.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Stop it.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Exactly by the way, Tyre's Haliburton's dad's allowed back in
the building.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
But only in this week. No word near the court.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Did you ever have a family member create an incident
not a game.
Speaker 12 (30:57):
No ever, and I had, you know, I was fortunate
my my father, my mother, they weren't. They were always
in the background. Never, No, that's my son out there.
I mean high school, college and the pro.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Uh.
Speaker 12 (31:11):
My relatives who came to the game that were really
close to me. They were just so happy and the
lady to be just in the building a lot of
times to be and see other players play, but proud
of what I've done.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
But never friendsmates. No, I've never played with a teammate
that now.
Speaker 12 (31:30):
I had some that I ever have over the top,
let's say parents or crew. Yeah, maybe a little bit,
but not to where it never interfered with the game. No,
maybe at practices or doing stuff or trying to travel
and be at stuff. Yeah, that part, but not what
we saw were on the court after a game in
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another player's face.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
I didn't have I didn't experience that part.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I like what Okay he did, and that is I
don't want your best player to beat me. Now you
do run the risk of the other players. And the
other players played really well for the Thunder. But Anthony
Edwards saying basically, I didn't have a bad game, like
you know, I made the right choices here where do
you stand on the field? Goal attempts were limited for
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the best player on your team.
Speaker 12 (32:23):
Well, that's very mature of Anthony Edwards and it's a
correct analysis.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Being this. OKC made it a point in.
Speaker 12 (32:32):
Particular lou Dort that Anthony wasn't gonna get a lot
of airspace. You know, in the previous game he had
a lot of good isolations on the wing. He was
able to get one on one.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
But when you're.
Speaker 12 (32:43):
Facing this OKAC team, think about this. What you want
to do is you want to get a mismatch. Everybody
wants to figure out a mismatch. So when Anthony Edwards,
who initiates the offense, comes down and sets once that
pick and roll up top with Holme, Grin or Hardenstein,
it's incumbent upon the guy that's guarding to get over
that screen. So now you don't have a switch and
you're basically back to one on one defense.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
And that's what lou Dort did most of the night.
Speaker 12 (33:08):
He stayed, he got over those screens, so now you
don't have a mismatch. And when they did, they loaded
up on an So the thirteen shots was a result
of excellent one schematically designing a defense that works, but
two the commitment for OKC players to really execute that scheme.
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Because you could have a scheme all you want, and
coaches will tell you that they say, listen, we lost
this game because we didn't execute our game plan.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Well that wasn't a case for OKC man.
Speaker 12 (33:40):
I mean, whoever was in that pick and roll situation
or needed to be around Anthony Anderson, they did a
heck of a job. And then when he went into traffic,
he was double triple team and had to get rid
of the ball.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Most annoying defender you ever faced.
Speaker 12 (33:55):
Muggsy Bogus, not even close, not even because my second
year we traded. I was in Dallas and we traded
uh Jared garper Right to New York.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
So I'm playing point guard. Man.
Speaker 12 (34:10):
We played Charlotte, and you know, Muggsy's five two with
with with some insoles in okay, and he'll pick you
up full court and he gets up underneath you, and
the annoying is all I'm like, man, just here's the ball.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
I'm gon get it back over half court.
Speaker 12 (34:27):
But because people don't understand how strong Monkey Bogus was
at the time, even though he was didn't have the height,
but his advantage was the further you wore away from
the basket. His speed is quickness and its size wasn't
a liability and not annoyed the heck out of me.
When I played against Charlotte and had to bring it
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up against a smaller quicker and a defensive minded point
guard like like Muggsy Bowls, I still hate to see
him coming.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
I'm like, Muggy, may get out of here, man.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
He was actually five to two five three.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
I said what I said, what insoul's in?
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, isn't it amazing? Though? Somebody that size could could
have a lengthy career in the NBA.
Speaker 12 (35:17):
Look at yeah he look at Spudweb. Spud Web, I
mean the same thing.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Bud wasn't as good as Muggsy what but in.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
A different way though. Spud was a lot more affen.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
He won the dunk contest.
Speaker 12 (35:28):
Yeah, and he was more Yeah, and he's Muggsy was
a terror on defense man, Yeah, a terror.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
He could play, he could be his starter.
Speaker 12 (35:40):
I mean, well, you know, you know it's interesting day
you brought that up to, is that people talk about
guys that couldn't play back in the day because of size, Like, say,
step are you so we just named two who were
small that played, you know, Michael Adams back in the
day when he played for Denver. Okay, he was he
was small, Okay. It's guys that played back in that
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time that were smaller, leaner in a more physical league
that still knew how to play because they grew up
playing in that era, playing with that physicality, knowing how
to use their size. So that's why I laugh at
when people say, you know, Steph couldn't play back in
the you know, late eighties and nineties. I'm like, well,
why not you know, here's examples of guys that did.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Great to talk to you always. Thanks for lighting. Yes,
who you got tonight? I have the knicks.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
I like that.
Speaker 12 (36:36):
I'm greedy because I won seven games. Man, I won
six to seven games in both series. I was just
pointed in, you know OKC and Minnesota game, and I
think about the Minnesota game. I say this before we go.
People look at ant And and Rando only scoring twenty
one points compared to there's seventy four between Shay and Williams.
But it wasn't that to me. This is a two
(36:58):
point game. Yeah, you give up twenty three turnovers, right,
Dan Okase had ninety four possessions. Minnesota only had eighty five.
That's an eleven possession different in the two point game
despite all what was going on. That to me, when
Minnesota gets themselves in trouble is when they turn the
ball over and they lose the possession game.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Good to talk to you always, brother, enjoyce and nik you.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
That's Jim Jackson, Fox Turner, NBA and college basketball analyst.
We'll take a break, last call for phone calls. What
we learn, what's in store tomorrow after.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
This, be sure to catch the live edition of The
Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio w APP.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Last call for phone calls, what we learn? What's in
store tomorrow? DraftKings just sent me the NBA title odds update.
It is the Thunder big margin, and then it's the Pacers,
then the Knicks, and then the Timberwolves. A distant fourth
Tucker in North Carolina, Good morning, Tuck. How can I
help you?
Speaker 9 (38:05):
How you doing both?
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Great? Six? Four one one five lean.
Speaker 9 (38:15):
I'm honored to be on the phone with the goat.
Here's what I got. I got co Ed Softball League
first game of the season tonight, first season ever for
my squad, the mo runs, got all the homies, the fiance,
all the girlfriends on the team. Was just looking for
some words of encouragement. Maybe something I should tell the
(38:38):
squad before the game. Any advice from you, It would
be very much appreciated.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
All right, well, you come to the right place, win
or lose, we celebrate, Tuck. That's what I would tell now,
good luck tonight. We're all counting on you. I look
for the highlights on Sports Center. Patrick in Scottsdale. Patrick
what's on your mind?
Speaker 7 (39:03):
Hey, good morning, Dan, five eleven one five, first time,
first time, long time listener. I'm just sitting home on
a vacation on my couch here and watching the show.
I usually listen on the radio, but I really appreciate
your your comments regarding doctor J. I grew up as
(39:25):
having him as my role model. He was my sports hero.
I remember doing a book report back in seventh grade
and god, I don't know if it was Sports Illustrated
or the Sporting News, but there was a picture of
him going up for a dunk and I traced it
out on tracing paper and I had on my book report.
It was awesome.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Thank you Patrick. Yeah, And he's one of those guys
when you meet him. And when I first met Joe Namath,
I thanked him. I said thank you for being who
I thought were hoping you were going to be. And
he looked at me like he hadn't heard that before.
But in my you know, I'm from a small town,
I'm never going to meet these people. And then you
(40:05):
meet these people. And granted not everybody was what I
was hoping they were going to be, but no names,
but Joe Namath was doctor J. I mean, there's there's
a long, long, long list this day in sports history, Paul, for.
Speaker 6 (40:20):
Me, just a couple for you, Dan, please. The Preaknese Stakes,
the first ever Preaknis Stakes, eighteen seventy three, one by survivor.
Twenty eighteen, Lebron James reaches eighth straight NBA Finals. The
Cavs got by the Celtics, and nineteen e two three
New Jersey businessmen bought the NHL's Colorado Rockies. They got
(40:42):
approval to move the teams fromy to New Jersey and
become the Devils.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Yeah. I mean the fact of Lebron went to nine
consecutive NBA finals, Yeah, that's remarkable. I saw where David Falk,
Michael Jordan's agent, former agent, said that if Jordan was picking,
he would have won fifteen titles. If he did what
Lebron did, he would have won fifteen titles. I mean,
that's just that's a topic for another day. But I mean,
(41:09):
I don't it's I don't know of a star, a
truly transcendent, one of the all time grades, who takes
more abuse than Lebron James does. He just takes strays
all the time. Yeah, I don't know that that is
a topic for another day. Got admit, you know, Michael
could have won fifteen if you wanted to.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
He chose to not.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
I hate that kind of crap.
Speaker 5 (41:31):
I know he wanted to win as many as he
possibly could.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
That's what he had, that's what he got. He didn't
just say, you know what this year, well, I let
somebody else take it.
Speaker 6 (41:39):
Yeah, and I was really expecting David Fouk, who made
millions off Michael Jordan, to be objective about this discussion.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
That's what we learned today. Have a great day, everybody.
We'll talk to you tomorrow.
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