July 24, 2025 • 41 mins
Dan discusses sports business as ESPN closes in to acquire the NFL Network and Red Zone, and new pressures between editorial control and business deals. Former Cowboys coach Jason Garrett joins the show to talk about training camps in the NFL and Jerry Jones continuing to play brinksmanship with Micah Parsons’ contract. The show closes out with more callers, including a pressing question: is there an equivalent to Tom Brady in baseball?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's the final hour on this Thursday. We'll talk to
the former Cowboy head coach, Jason Garrett, more of your
phone calls as well. Have a new poll question. We
had an update on Justin Fields. The report initially was
that he was carted off lower leg injury at Jets
training camp. We have found out since that Aaron Glenn,
the new head coach of the Jets, said that somebody
(00:25):
apparently stepped on Justin Field's toe and that it is
not severe except for Justin Fields who had somebody step
on his toe. But we don't know if there's any
other damage to it. But considering he was carted off,
this is good news that. Okay, somebody stepped on your toe,
(00:45):
all right, Good, get out there and play. Let's go.
Stat of the Day brought to you by Panini America,
the official trading cards of The Dan Patrick Show. I
saw this now, this has been going on for a
while in ESPN is close. They're on the doorstep from
what I'm told to acquiring NFL Network and Red Zone.
(01:08):
Now I also just saw this as well. It looks
like the NFL is going to get a piece of ESPN. Okay,
I don't know all the details here. I haven't really
been covering it. I just heard I've been told by people.
(01:28):
But so now this is tricky though, because can ESPN
truly report on the NFL if the NFL has a
piece of ESPN? I don't know if it's a big deal.
I don't know if it's a big deal to you.
Journalism probably not running rampant at the Mothership anymore. But
(01:55):
ESPN has had to walk the fine line between the
journalistic interest and their business interest. So this is, you know,
a billion dollar relationship with the NFL. So this has
(02:15):
been going on for quite some time. It was on again,
it was off again, on again, off again. Now it
appears as it's on again. Yeah, they're gonna I mean,
can can the Mothership be any more NFL focused than
they already are? Well we're gonna find out, yeah, Paul. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
If you look at it, though, all these major networks,
and some that we've worked for, almost all of them
have some type of rights holder partnership with a league,
the NBA, MLB, NFL, and that can be tough. You
and I, all of us are here dealt with that
at different place we worked for. When there's a harsh
story about a league, some executive will send over an email, Hey,
why are we covering this? Are we covering this properly?
(03:01):
Management will oftentimes tell content people to step off the
gas a little bit on a negative story about.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
A rights holder.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I had a situation when the show Playmakers was on
the mother Ship and we were we were specifically told
to back away from talking about that the NFL had
gotten in somebody's ear, and then that was relayed to
us on ESPN radio.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Guess well, We've had it happen a bunch of times here. Well,
where you will report on a story and then after
the show you'll get a phone call from a commissioner
or a very high ranking official and say, hey, what
where'd you get that information from? That's pretty interesting? And
you know those are your independent of all of that stuff,
(03:49):
but they still will Hey, so what happened there? How
did you get that information? That's pretty interesting? Could you
imagine if that person owned twenty percent of the show,
Oh and was like, hmmm, I really appreciate that what
you just did there. It's a totally different situation.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, tough to do. Your job. If you know, Big
Brother is looming always there. You know, even two people
I know who no longer work at NFL Network they
did talk about there were certain things that you could
not bring up. They couldn't bring up gambling on NFL network.
That's gone, or at least it will be gone with
(04:28):
the mothership. You know how important gambling is to them.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, PAULI going back to Playmakers, that was a show,
an original show by ESPN that was very racy and
it's all about an NFL team with lots of issues
and drugs and women and lots of negative stuff. And
ESPN canceled that show, and we were on the air
the next day and you discussed the odd thing about
the NFL wagging the dog and causing a network to
(04:54):
cancel the show, and we actually had on one of
the bosses of ESPN. He walked downstairs and did an
interview with and it was a quite awkward day because
our boss said, we're not in the business of alienating
our rights holders, and it was an awkward day on
campus in Bristol.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
But we were making the argument at least trying to
Playmakers was accurate. If anything, it kind of undersold some
of the things that go on off the field in
the NFL. But yeah, when we heard from management, and
I didn't hear from management very often at ESPN. There
were times specific topics, but for the most part, they
(05:31):
gave us the journalistic freedom to do what we thought
was best. And sometimes you would be called on the carpet.
But I understand the partnership here because ESPN was losing subscriptions,
you know, the cord cutting. But I think according to
(05:51):
an article and awful announcing ESPN was the valuation of
ESPN in twenty twenty three was like twenty twenty three
or twenty four billion dollars And I'm thinking, dang, I
should have asked for more money there. Let me see,
(06:12):
so it looks like the ten percent stake would be
worth between two and two and a half billion dollars. Wow,
uh yeah, this it says the company was listed as
having an evaluation of twenty four billion dollars. The last
ten years haven't been kind to ESPN as far as
(06:34):
you know. People once again cord cutting. But this is
a big deal and a big deal for the future
of ESPN. But NFL network red Zone going to the
mothership or at least the Mothership's going to own them. Yes, Poe.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Just to put a bow on the Playmakers thing. Many
years ago, we actually had Dion sanders On to review
Playmakers the show for us, and I can remember Dion's
line was, Dan, I played with Michael Irvin and the Cowboys.
Playmaker's got nothing on Michael Irvin.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
They could have just made it, you know, the Cowboys
just base it off, you know, you could have kind
of fictional character. Maybe they did just fictional characters, but
it was based on true stories. Deon tells the story
where he went to a hotel, Michael Irvin was there
and Mike was partying, and Mike was not alone, and
(07:27):
Dion walks in and he saw what was going on
and Dean, I don't live like this, and turned around
and left right after that. Playmaker Yes he was, Yes,
he was, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
And they still want three super Bowls?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, yes, you're right. Didn't they have the White House
that they would party yet? I think it was called
the White House? I'm sure it was. Yeah. Them Cowboys, well,
I miss those.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I missed that Cowboys franchise because they were always deep
into the playoffs and doing wild things and getting lots
of coverage, but they were deep in the playoffs when
doing it.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Tyrese Haliburton was on the Pat McAfee show and he
of course tour his achilles and he talked about the
number of players who are suffering Achilles tears.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
I think that there's like a notion when guys get injured,
or when this has happened so many times, that everybody
thinks that they have the answer as to why this
has happened. Everybody thinks we play too many games, played
too many minutes. All those things could be true, but
I don't think that that is what is causing these injuries.
Last season, if I'm not mistaken, I don't think there
was a single achilles tear last season, and it was
(08:50):
the same amount of minutes, same amount of games, right,
Guys didn't suddenly get larger in the course of a year.
So I don't think that anybody has necessarily the answer.
I think injuries are just bad luck sometimes and that's
just what happened.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Can we check and see if there were any achilles
tears in the previous year. I mean, you did have
a couple of players in the last couple of years
who have suffered Achilles tears, and these are marquee players.
One other basketball note, I guess Bleacher Report had a
ranking top one hundred NBA players of all time, and
(09:26):
Kobe wasn't in the top ten. Marvin, do you have that?
Do you have that list? Oh? Is this d Wade
talking about Kobe? Okay, d Wade. There are a lot
of guys who are upset about the rankings. But this
is what Bleacher Report wants. Because if Dwayne Wade's not
upset about Kobe's ranking, we're probably not talking about the rankings.
(09:48):
Here's Dwayne Wade.
Speaker 8 (09:50):
If you want to ask us hoopers who played against
Cole were talking all of us don't talk top three
facts like you all will talk talk three.
Speaker 9 (09:58):
Have you played against it?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Have you played it? His mama?
Speaker 8 (10:01):
But from someone's opinion that's never played against Kobe has
never played a game of basketball at the level that
we played at.
Speaker 9 (10:06):
Having him at eleven? Why am I? Why am I
up in arms about something like that?
Speaker 8 (10:11):
I remember when Kobe was alive, they had rankers when
he played in the league, and they had him low.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I remember one year and Kobe addressed it, like.
Speaker 8 (10:18):
Who is these idiots like why would I listen to
these idiots? And I'm not calling a person who did
as an idiot, but what I'm saying is when someone
does something like that, Kobe was like, this is idiotic
to me.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, I think that's calling somebody an idiot. But Kobe
Bryant should be in the top three. I I don't
think I've seen a list where Kobe. It's Mike Lebron
and Kobe should he be on the outside of the
top ten. That feels a little harsh there. Charles Berkley
(10:52):
is twenty fourth, twenty fifth, Jannis is twenty fourth on
that list. I don't know if they're any Have you
seen the list, Marvin.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I have, yes, Okay, it's uh, Mike Lebron, Kareem Kareem Hey,
Bill Russell, Magic Shack Duncan, Bird Will steph oh Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I think the debate here is more semantics when someone
like Dwayne Wade is talking. When we put these lists together,
media people, we're almost judging it by resume. That's why
Bill Russell is on there or Tim Duncan, because it's
a resume. I think a guy like Dwayne Wade is saying,
who's the best Hooper, I've ever seen or faced best
at the game of basketball, which raises some people up.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Well. He talks about the stylistic, inspiration, the work ethic,
all of those different things. I agree with you. We
usually rank these players because we look at championships. We
start there. That's your resume. That's why Bill Russell's in there.
If you took away Bill Russell, he would be a
really good If he took away the championships and you
(12:04):
were going to rank him, Bill Russell might be. He
wouldn't be in the top twenty, I don't think because
his numbers weren't great, but he was the ultimate team player.
Now he always had rebounds in block shots, but artistically
not a not an offensive player.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Yes, Mark, and I think Dwayne Wade is speaking for
players around the league. And if you listen to some
of these player only podcasts, the way they speak about
Kobe Bryant, it's like the level of disrespect I think
the media has for Kobe as far as an all
time great. It's like, wait, wait, if you played against him,
he was the guy that you feared, or he was
(12:46):
the best player, most skilled. But I think.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Okay, but if you don't have Michael Jordan, then I
would understand where you put Kobe. But we saw Michael.
Kobe tried to be Michael. Therefore you're going to compare
him to Michael. And yes, maybe he's slighted, maybe he
doesn't get the respect that he should. Kareem to me
is the greatest basketball player of all time. If I
(13:12):
look at high school, college in the pros and I
think he's underrated. He dominated, but nobody likes the big guy,
you know, and Jordan did it at the right time
and he won titles, didn't even get to a game seven.
You know, no matter what Lebron does, it's never going
(13:32):
to be good enough. I think Magic's underrated too. You know,
he won five titles. So you know, do we give
Tim Duncan too much credit because he won five titles? Yeah?
Probably so, But he still won the titles. If if
that's the bottom line of okay, where are you gonna
(13:53):
rank it? When he did win five titles? There, I mean,
that's the only reason why Bill Russell was on the list,
because he won eleven titles.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yes, Pauline, and I think it works the same way
with quarterbacks. We judge resumes with quarterbacks clearly. But if
you said, who's the best ever at playing the position
of quarterback, I'm throwing Dan Marino's name in early in
that conversation at the he mastered it, and he mastered
it way earlier than a lot.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Of guys did.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
His resume doesn't help his case, his playing ability sure does.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Well.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
That's why we include Aaron Rodgers as maybe the greatest
talent to play the position because he's got one super Bowl,
And you think he should be higher on the list
because he's got four MVPs. Well, is it about championships?
Is it about MVPs? Like you know, sometimes we move
the goal line with this when we go, ah, man,
(14:46):
he's the most talented guy throwing a football. What does
that mean? So the most talented guy to play the
position won one Super Bowl? That's the negative, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Yes, Mart, So if Michael Jordan didn't exist, we would
have Kobe much higher than he is. Is that what
you're saying?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yes? Yes, but I mean he's compared to Mike, which
isn't a fair comparison. But Kobe wanted that comparison. He
was trying to be like Mike and he came pretty close. Yes, Mark.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
That's a pretty good person trying to model yourself after though,
Well if you were like, oh, he's trying to be
Mike duh, yes, Seaton.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
But it is weird though that we as the media
are constantly comparing and looking for the next Michael Jordan,
and then when it happens, we're like, yeah, let's see,
he's the next Mike. We pushed this onto people and
then hold it against them after we do. It's very bizarre. Yeah, yeah,
you came.
Speaker 10 (15:42):
Close, but you're no Michael Jordan. I mean, is he
the next Michael Jordan's. You know, he's not that great.
He's the closest thing we've ever seen to Michael Jordan's.
So I gotta knock him down to eleven. Sorry, but
imagine taking on that mountain. You know that you say,
that's who I want to be. I want to be
better than.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
You, and I'm not afraid to emulate everything you do,
including the tongue hanging out of my mouth here, everything stylistically.
He wanted to be Michael Jordan, and he came pretty close. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Pulling a couple of years ago on PTI, I saw
Michael Wilbin talking about Kobe Bryant and Michael Wilbon his
first team Chicago, and Michael Jordan clearly, but he even
said a lot of people try to be like Michael Jordan.
Kobe became real close. Not a lot of people can
say they came even close.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
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on loan from Football Night in America. We'll stop by.
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Dan Patrick Show, Jason Garrett Football Night in America, and
former Cowboys coach and Notre Dame football analyst back on
the program. How often would players show up not in
(18:09):
shape when you were the head coach of the Cowboys?
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Not very often, you know, the off season program changed
a lot through the years. If you think about twenty eleven,
they started short in the off season programs. You know,
relative to the days of Jimmy Johnson back in the nineties,
you know, we were in that building on March first,
and and you're able to lay a great foundation for
(18:35):
the off season. You know, we ran and lifted and
did all that for two months before we even thought
about touching a football.
Speaker 9 (18:42):
And those days are long gone.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
And I do think in a lot of ways we
missed those days because the foundation that you lay for
yourself physically to get ready for sixteen seventeen game NFL
season is credit and I think that's changed a little bit.
But I do think guys take care of themselves. I
do think guys know what's at stake. What I get
(19:08):
a little concerned about is they're not necessarily working out
long enough together in the off season in a competitive
environment with.
Speaker 9 (19:17):
Other NFL players.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
So the degree to which they're in shape is a
little bit of a concern to me, and I think
it's not quite as good as it used to be
because of the structure of the off season.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Were you with the Cowboys when Jimmy was talking about
if a player falls asleep in a meeting that he'll
cut him, and I'm paraphrasing. And then somebody said, well,
what happens if Troy Aikman falls asleep. He goes, well,
I'd go over there and wake him up so he
wouldn't be So he had different rules for different people.
Speaker 9 (19:51):
Well, it was the real thing.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
John Roper was a linebacker we had with the team,
and we signed him during the season and he fell
asleep in a meeting.
Speaker 9 (19:58):
And Jimmy cut him.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
And you know, but prior to that, he had talked
to the team.
Speaker 9 (20:04):
I'll never forget it.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
He stood in front of the team in a team
meeting and said, hey, guys, you guys don't understand. Everyone's
on a spectrum here. I don't treat everybody the same.
I don't treat everybody equally. You know, guys who have
been here for a long time and have skins on
the wall and have helped us win championships, they get
treated differently than a guy who just showed up. Troy
Akoman gets treated differently than a third string, you know,
(20:27):
guard who's trying to hang on by a string.
Speaker 9 (20:30):
He hasn't done anything yet, and to.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Me, it's the first time I've ever heard a coach
ever say something like that. But it's true, and it's honest,
and certainly you want to be consistent, you want to
have a standard that you hold everybody too. But someone
who has some history with you and has some pelts
on the wall, I definitely think you treat them a
little bit differently. And Jimmy was honest with us, and
(20:52):
I think everybody understood it.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
And were you there when he came up? The value
came up with the value system of draft picks and
when you were acquiring picks or trading picks, like the
number numerical value to those picks.
Speaker 9 (21:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
I got there in ninety two, the first Super Bowl year,
and Jimmy had been there. I guess that was his
fourth year, so he showed up in eighty nine. And
that happened prior to me being there. And I think
it was Jimmy and a guy named Mike McCoy who
was one of Jerry Jones's business partners in the oil
and gas business for years, and they're the ones who
came up with it together. And it's amazing how that
(21:34):
became the language and the currency of draft rooms across
the NFL for so long. And you know, Jimmy was
a really, really smart guy. You know, I never worked
with him as a coach. He was I was a player,
he was a coach, So I wasn't priving a lot
of the behind the scenes stuff that goes on.
Speaker 9 (21:53):
But everyone talks.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
You know, Marvel's at how smart he was to be
able to come up with something like that and be
able to translate the evaluation of a player and the
draft into those terms.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Talking to Jason Garrett Football Night in America, former Cowboys
head coach, help me understand what Jerry Jones the message
that he's sending to Micah Parsons.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Well, you know, for me, in this day and age,
independent of the Cowboys, you know, the salary cap is
going up, and when you have players on your team
that you believe are cornerstone players, you know, my philosophy,
my thought was always let's sign these guys now.
Speaker 9 (22:34):
The price is only getting higher.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
You know a few years ago, when Kansas City signed
Patrick Mahomes to that whatever, it was, a five hundred
million dollar contract.
Speaker 9 (22:43):
Everybody's like, oh my god, that's ridiculous. You know, it's
a bargain. It's a bargain now. They were ahead of it.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
They took a preemptive strike, and it seemed aggressive at
the time, but you know, they're getting that guy for
what I would consider below market value. And you know,
Jerry has had a philosophy that he likes to wait
on these things, and unfortunately, when you wait, you know,
the price goes up. Miles Garrett signs, then TJ. Watt signs,
(23:12):
and all of a sudden, Michael Parson says.
Speaker 9 (23:14):
Hey, I should be making that.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
Because my stats are this relative to them and all
of that. So it's just something. It's an approach that
he's taken for years. I was always an advocate of
being ahead of it and making the preemptive strikes, assuming,
assuming that you believe in the player, assuming that you
think he is a cornerstone player for you. He represents
everything you want in the organization, and he's extremely productive.
(23:40):
So I got to believe they want Michael Parsons to
be with them for a long time, and I would
think that it's better to try to get it done
sooner rather than later.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Okay, But Dan Orlovski, Ross Tucker, in fact, Ross Tucker
last Hour feel like Jerry loves the publicity that he
gets with this that you know this is this is
pre advertising for the Cowboys, that Sports Center is leading
with Michael Parsons. That you know, he loves that and
(24:13):
you can almost become addicted to that. I don't know
what role you think that plays in his negotiation game.
Speaker 9 (24:21):
Well, he's a master marketer.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
I think we all know that, and his impact on
the popularity of the NFL cannot be overstated. You and
I both know his impact on TV deals in the nineties,
his impact on marketing stadiums and how that's made a
lot of owners, a lot of coaches, a lot of players,
(24:43):
a hell of a lot of money for a lot
of years.
Speaker 9 (24:45):
So he certainly gets that part of it.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
I don't think that's the driving motivation, because if it
wasn't Michael Parsons, it would be something else with the Cowboys, right,
ESPN always leads with the Cowboys, you know, whatever the
situation is. So I don't think that's a driving force
necessarily for him. Maybe it's a byproduct of the approach
he's taken, but he typically likes to wait on these things.
(25:12):
He typically likes the player to come to the owner
and sit down and talk and say, Okay, how do
you want to do this. He doesn't like to talk
to agents necessarily about contracts. He likes to get to
the point where Zach Martin or Tyron Smith or Zeke
Elliott or Des Bryant, they sit down together and they
(25:34):
figure it out. And that's not to say that the
player goes in there uneducated, but Jerry just likes to
have that individual relationship with the guy.
Speaker 9 (25:44):
And he's done that forever.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
He did it with Dion Sanders and Troy Aikman and
Michael Lervin and all the guys back in the nineties.
So just an approach that he takes. My concern is
the more you wait, the more you pay.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
But he knows that though.
Speaker 11 (25:59):
Ja.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, he's a brilliant business man. Yeah, and we all
say the same thing, it's gonna cost you more. He
waited for Dak and you know that was the first
Sunday of the NFL season, got that deal done. So
he knows. He's repeated this. He does this. That's what
I just don't understand the logic of I'm gonna pay
(26:21):
more money. Okay, he's gonna he's gonna sign Michael Parsons, right,
he's gonna be the highest paid non quarterback in the NFL,
NFL history, it's gonna happen. He was gonna sign Dak Prescott,
he was gonna sign c d Lamb. He I mean,
I don't understand the logic here, a guy, you know,
(26:41):
who's a billionaire.
Speaker 9 (26:44):
Yeah, maybe he thinks he's going to get a better
deal the more he.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Goes, But he doesn't get a better deal.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Yeah, and and and maybe he wants to see more evidence.
You know, I'm just throwing those things out there, but
I think you and I both know that it's probably
better to get these guys signed earlier than later.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Give me the team that you're curious about this season,
either good or bad.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
I'm curious about Washington. I just think they did a
remarkable job last year. If you think about where that
organization had been for so long, and it started at
the top, It started.
Speaker 9 (27:20):
With their owner Daniel Snyder.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
There were a lot of really good coaches who went
through there, a lot of really good players who went
through there, and there were just so many obstacles to
their having ultimate success. So Josh Harris comes in there
and cleans the Slate and then he brings Dan Quinn
in which I thought was a tremendous decision, a guy
who can truly build a culture and get and get
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a group of players and coaches and an organization working
together the right way.
Speaker 9 (27:48):
And then obviously they get Jade and Daniels.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
So you know, the leadership in that organization from top,
from the ownership to the head coach to the quarterback,
I think is really really good, good.
Speaker 9 (28:00):
But it's hard to do what they did.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
And so you know, everyone always says, hey, you regress
to the mean. I don't know if you do. I
don't know if you don't, but but I like what
they're doing there. Philadelphia obviously is the best team in
that division. They're the best team in the NFL going
into this thing. But I'm just curious to see if
they can maintain it. And I'm betting on them because
(28:23):
I really love the leadership and I like the team
they're building.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
You know, back to doing it correctly when it comes
to contracts. Many Eagles have been ahead of the curve.
Like they do it, you know, just like you were saying,
they do it early, they don't. Howie Roseman does not
mess around he's like, that's our guy. We're going to
sign him. We're going to sign him. And they got
bargains with some of these guys.
Speaker 9 (28:48):
Yeah, you know, they have been masterful, they really have.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
And you know, having played them for years being in
the NFC East, you know as a player and as
a coach, you know they've always been tough.
Speaker 9 (29:00):
They've always been a really good.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Team, you know, and these teams that he had were
phenomenal year after year, and then certainly you know recently
with a couple of Super Bowls they've won. But you know,
I think maybe more than anything else, the most significant
factor and all of that has been Howie Roseman, how
they've built the teams. You know, they're right in their
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evaluations a lot. You know, whether they're drafting at the
top of the draft, middle of the draft, end of
the draft, whether it's a free agent signing, they're really
really good at the evaluation of the player. And then,
like you said, they're constantly ahead of it. They're letting
the one guy go, they got the new guy coming in.
They've been right on the new guy. Think about their
(29:43):
defense last year, the number of young players they had,
you have to be great evaluators to be able to
do that, and they've done it time and time again,
and that obviously contributes to your ability to let guys
go and be healthy under the salary cap, and they've
been the best in the league at it.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Do you want to play starters in the preseason if
you're a head coach?
Speaker 5 (30:06):
I do?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I do because I wonder about this. Yeah, it just
doesn't feel like you're to your point getting together as
a team and being able to practice. You know, Belichick
would talk about Brady talked about they kind of treated
the first couple of games of the regular season like
that was their preseason. You know, the Bengals always get
(30:29):
off to a slow start. I don't know if you
change your philosophy and maybe you put added importance on
the preseason games here, So I guess, you know, coach
by coach.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
But I'm such a big I'm such a big fan
of preparing, and you know, we talked about it earlier.
Speaker 9 (30:47):
With the off season programs.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
I get a little concern when you have a nine
week off season program and you're not doing a lot
of physical training together and you're doing some real light
spring practices and then you get in training camp and
you have ramp up periods, you don't have a lot
of padded practices, and you don't play anybody in the preseason,
and then all of a sudden in Week one, you say, okay,
(31:09):
here we go. And you know, the mentality of the
players is such that they're elite competitors, and I just
wonder if they're truly ready to compete at the level
that they're going to try to in that first week,
in the first few weeks, if you have if you
hadn't hardened them enough and they haven't calloused enough with
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their training and with them getting ready to play pro football.
So we always believed in a ramp up period, we
typically play our starters six eight, ten plays in the
first preseason game. Some guys if they had an injury
or something, you keep them out of it. But the
next preseason game, there's a progression. You play twelve fifteen plays,
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and by the time you get to that week one,
it's not a completely new experience. You've blocked people, you've
tackled people, and you're ready to go. And like I said,
you're hardened a little bit, you're calloused a little bit,
and I think that gives you a little more confidence
too as you move around there and compete and play.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
A topic of conversation yesterday on sports Radio, Nick Saban
maybe going back into coaching and coaching in the NFL.
So just speculation here, your thoughts on that possibility of
going back into coaching and going into the NFL.
Speaker 9 (32:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
I don't know if you know this, Dan, but my
first coaching job was with coach Saban. I was the
quarterback coach in Miami. So I just retired from playing
with the Dolphins, and two weeks later he gets hired
and I was his quarterback coach. So I was with
him in that NFL experience and it was an amazing
experience for me. I learned so much from him and
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I'm eternally grateful for that.
Speaker 9 (32:56):
You know. In the middle of it, I.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Think he realized that in the NFL, you get one
first round pick a year, and if you go to
a place.
Speaker 9 (33:03):
Like Alabama, you can get ten.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
And if you get ten one year and you win
a national championship, you're gonna get twelve the next year.
And so he believed strongly in being relentless and recruiting
and building, you know, teams and knowing that at the
college level, it can perpetuate itself. Where in the NFL,
if you have success, it goes the other way. You
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pick later, you have to pay guys more, all that
kind of stuff. So I would think I would bet
against that. If you're asking me, I say, coach Saban
does not do that. I think he would do well.
I believed he was going to do well in Miami
before he took the Alabama job. But you know, miss
(33:49):
Terry is a very influential person in his life at
this point. So like he always says, I'm just going
to go up to the lake, he's probably enjoined his
time at ESPN.
Speaker 9 (34:00):
Enjoying some time at the lake.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Okay, but were you there when they bring in Dante
Colepepper and you bring in Drew Brees and the Dolphins
decided to go with Culpepper and Breeze. I guess physically
wasn't he was a question mark? Is that accurate?
Speaker 10 (34:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (34:20):
I was the quarterback coach at that time.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Did you make the decision that you said let's go
Culpeper over Breeze.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
Now it's an amazing experience on so many different levels.
I could write a book about this, you know, Drew
Brees is something else. And you know, he was an
amazing college player, as we all know, and initially in
San Diego had his struggles, but he started to emerge
(34:48):
as the guy and I think we saw that and
we're excited about it. But you know, we were all
in on breeze. And then ultimately there was a medical
decision that said he's he got a seventy five percent
of his rotator cuff and he wants eight million dollars guaranteed,
and we're not doing it. So it kind of became
(35:09):
out of our hands. But he was so much fun
to visit with. I'll never forget. We picked him up,
we went, we took a plane to New Orleans, we
picked him up, brought brought them in Miami, and just
had a hell of a time with him. And you know,
it was one of those things where you have to
respect the injury, but if you were betting on a
guy to be able to overcome an injury, he's the
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guy that could do it.
Speaker 9 (35:32):
And obviously he was able to do it.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
He only threw for eighty thousand yards after the surgery.
Speaker 8 (35:38):
So.
Speaker 9 (35:40):
He was something else.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
And there was a good story about that, you know,
we went to dinner with him and Wayne Heizanga was
the owner of the team, And I'll.
Speaker 9 (35:49):
Never forget it.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
Uh, you know, Wayne sat next to him and his
wife at dinner, and and Imber never forget him saying
to me afterwards, you know, I'm out of the football
evaluation business, but I'll tell you what, I'm betting on
this guy.
Speaker 9 (36:02):
He's something else.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
And so for him to make that evaluation just based
on visiting with Drew Brees tells you a lot about
both those guys. And then we were there ultimately when
we signed Dante, and Dante was an amazing player, but
his movement was such a big part of his game,
and after he had the knee injury, he really couldn't
(36:25):
move and it was harder for him to play the
way he was capable of playing before. So obviously that
didn't work out real well for any of us.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Great to catch up with you. Thanks for joining us.
We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 9 (36:37):
Yeah, I always enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Thank you. That's Jason Garrett Football Night in America analyst,
also Notre Dame football analysts as well. Yeah, you look
at the careers that were changed. NFL history was changed
by going with Dante Culpepper instead of Drew Brees. Who
knows how much longer that Saban would have stayed with
the Dolphins Drew Brees's career, Yeah, paulin.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
The direction of college football for the next fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah yeah, changed changed a lot, changed a lot. All right,
last call for phone calls?
Speaker 13 (37:11):
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Speaker 2 (37:12):
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see in Glen Dora joining us on the program, What's
(37:47):
on your mind?
Speaker 9 (37:48):
Hey you?
Speaker 13 (37:48):
What's up?
Speaker 14 (37:49):
Man?
Speaker 13 (37:49):
Good to be back six I think six one now
going down, but I dropped down at two thirty, so
that's thirty pounds since I last talk in your show.
Hey Dan, so quick A couple quick things? Can can
can people? Stop singing along with Pandora in the morning
when you do this sta otu of the day, because
sometimes I'm just getting out of my bed and that
just gets my gate going. So when people start singing
(38:10):
along with her, it just kind.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Of messed things up, you know, Okay, stops singing along
with Pandora.
Speaker 9 (38:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (38:19):
The other thing is the other thing is we talk
about that we talk about this Jordan's or this top
ten list of all time. But I mean, when you ask,
a lot of people think the majority of the population
thinks that Jordan's the greatest, but when you ask him,
he's He tells you who's closest to him, it's Kobe Bryant.
(38:39):
And it's fine. Just leave it like that. They don't
have to. It doesn't have to be a top ten list.
But wouldn't you want to be part of that list?
If I mean, wouldn't you want to be number two?
I mean, if God asked you, can you be Jesus?
Would you do that?
Speaker 2 (38:53):
I mean, well, I don't know if God is asking
if you want to be Jesus, but I kind of
get what you're talking about. Thank you for the phone
call there. Yeah, well, Mike is saying Kobe is most
like him, but like Kareem's not, Lebron's not, Magic's not,
Larry's not. I mean, nobody really played the way Mike did.
(39:17):
Kobe wanted to play like that. He was open honest
about it. I think that's why he said he's the
closest to me. Yes, he's trying to be a mirror
image of you, Mike and Wisconsin. Hi Mike, what's on
your mind? Hey?
Speaker 9 (39:31):
Good morning fellas. Kind of that same topic.
Speaker 14 (39:34):
That top one hundred list got me thinking that I
think throughout history there's kind of one player from each
sport that if he said to the casual fan, you know,
name me a basketball player, it is probably going to
be Jordan's. Name me a Golfer's going to be Tiger
Football's right, Tom Brady, you know one.
Speaker 9 (39:51):
That's supped me? Though I don't.
Speaker 13 (39:52):
Is there somebody like that for baseball? And who would
that be?
Speaker 2 (39:56):
So modern era? If I we say baseball, who comes
to mind? Marvin?
Speaker 4 (40:03):
You got a name only personally? Barry Bonds?
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Okay, Paulie, same thing. For a number of reasons, Barry
Bonds is a household name.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Todd, you got a baseball name? If I just say baseball.
Like if we say golf from you say Tiger basketball,
you say Michael from any from any generation. Now, probably
i'd say o Toani.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Would be the first name that's comes to my mind.
As far as most current.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Satan, you got one, obviously, Steve Balboni, of course, Bye
bye Balboni, Bye bye, obviously. Of course. This day in
sports history Paul.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Two thousand and five. Lance Armstrong won his seventh Tour
de France. In nineteen eighty four, Terry Bradshaw retires from
the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
On this date, nineteen eighty three, George Brett's home run
against the Yankees disallowed due to too much pine tar.
They eventually came back on August eighteenth and ruled that
Retzholme run stands, and the Royals won that game five four.
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coach in the NFL again than Nick Saban.
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that he was carted off lower leg injury at Jets
training camp. We have found out since that Aaron Glenn,
the new head coach of the Jets, said that somebody
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apparently stepped on Justin Field's toe and that it is
not severe except for Justin Fields who had somebody step
on his toe. But we don't know if there's any
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Stat of the Day brought to you by Panini America,
the official trading cards of The Dan Patrick Show. I
saw this now, this has been going on for a
while in ESPN is close. They're on the doorstep from
what I'm told to acquiring NFL Network and Red Zone.
(01:08):
Now I also just saw this as well. It looks
like the NFL is going to get a piece of ESPN. Okay,
I don't know all the details here. I haven't really
been covering it. I just heard I've been told by people.
(01:28):
But so now this is tricky though, because can ESPN
truly report on the NFL if the NFL has a
piece of ESPN? I don't know if it's a big deal.
I don't know if it's a big deal to you.
Journalism probably not running rampant at the Mothership anymore. But
(01:55):
ESPN has had to walk the fine line between the
journalistic interest and their business interest. So this is, you know,
a billion dollar relationship with the NFL. So this has
(02:15):
been going on for quite some time. It was on again,
it was off again, on again, off again. Now it
appears as it's on again. Yeah, they're gonna I mean,
can can the Mothership be any more NFL focused than
they already are? Well we're gonna find out, yeah, Paul. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
If you look at it, though, all these major networks,
and some that we've worked for, almost all of them
have some type of rights holder partnership with a league,
the NBA, MLB, NFL, and that can be tough. You
and I, all of us are here dealt with that
at different place we worked for. When there's a harsh
story about a league, some executive will send over an email, Hey,
why are we covering this? Are we covering this properly?
(03:01):
Management will oftentimes tell content people to step off the
gas a little bit on a negative story about.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
A rights holder.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I had a situation when the show Playmakers was on
the mother Ship and we were we were specifically told
to back away from talking about that the NFL had
gotten in somebody's ear, and then that was relayed to
us on ESPN radio.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Guess well, We've had it happen a bunch of times here. Well,
where you will report on a story and then after
the show you'll get a phone call from a commissioner
or a very high ranking official and say, hey, what
where'd you get that information from? That's pretty interesting? And
you know those are your independent of all of that stuff,
(03:49):
but they still will Hey, so what happened there? How
did you get that information? That's pretty interesting? Could you
imagine if that person owned twenty percent of the show,
Oh and was like, hmmm, I really appreciate that what
you just did there. It's a totally different situation.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, tough to do. Your job. If you know, Big
Brother is looming always there. You know, even two people
I know who no longer work at NFL Network they
did talk about there were certain things that you could
not bring up. They couldn't bring up gambling on NFL network.
That's gone, or at least it will be gone with
(04:28):
the mothership. You know how important gambling is to them.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, PAULI going back to Playmakers, that was a show,
an original show by ESPN that was very racy and
it's all about an NFL team with lots of issues
and drugs and women and lots of negative stuff. And
ESPN canceled that show, and we were on the air
the next day and you discussed the odd thing about
the NFL wagging the dog and causing a network to
(04:54):
cancel the show, and we actually had on one of
the bosses of ESPN. He walked downstairs and did an
interview with and it was a quite awkward day because
our boss said, we're not in the business of alienating
our rights holders, and it was an awkward day on
campus in Bristol.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
But we were making the argument at least trying to
Playmakers was accurate. If anything, it kind of undersold some
of the things that go on off the field in
the NFL. But yeah, when we heard from management, and
I didn't hear from management very often at ESPN. There
were times specific topics, but for the most part, they
(05:31):
gave us the journalistic freedom to do what we thought
was best. And sometimes you would be called on the carpet.
But I understand the partnership here because ESPN was losing subscriptions,
you know, the cord cutting. But I think according to
(05:51):
an article and awful announcing ESPN was the valuation of
ESPN in twenty twenty three was like twenty twenty three
or twenty four billion dollars And I'm thinking, dang, I
should have asked for more money there. Let me see,
(06:12):
so it looks like the ten percent stake would be
worth between two and two and a half billion dollars. Wow,
uh yeah, this it says the company was listed as
having an evaluation of twenty four billion dollars. The last
ten years haven't been kind to ESPN as far as
(06:34):
you know. People once again cord cutting. But this is
a big deal and a big deal for the future
of ESPN. But NFL network red Zone going to the
mothership or at least the Mothership's going to own them. Yes, Poe.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Just to put a bow on the Playmakers thing. Many
years ago, we actually had Dion sanders On to review
Playmakers the show for us, and I can remember Dion's
line was, Dan, I played with Michael Irvin and the Cowboys.
Playmaker's got nothing on Michael Irvin.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
They could have just made it, you know, the Cowboys
just base it off, you know, you could have kind
of fictional character. Maybe they did just fictional characters, but
it was based on true stories. Deon tells the story
where he went to a hotel, Michael Irvin was there
and Mike was partying, and Mike was not alone, and
(07:27):
Dion walks in and he saw what was going on
and Dean, I don't live like this, and turned around
and left right after that. Playmaker Yes he was, Yes,
he was, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
And they still want three super Bowls?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, yes, you're right. Didn't they have the White House
that they would party yet? I think it was called
the White House? I'm sure it was. Yeah. Them Cowboys, well,
I miss those.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I missed that Cowboys franchise because they were always deep
into the playoffs and doing wild things and getting lots
of coverage, but they were deep in the playoffs when
doing it.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Tyrese Haliburton was on the Pat McAfee show and he
of course tour his achilles and he talked about the
number of players who are suffering Achilles tears.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
I think that there's like a notion when guys get injured,
or when this has happened so many times, that everybody
thinks that they have the answer as to why this
has happened. Everybody thinks we play too many games, played
too many minutes. All those things could be true, but
I don't think that that is what is causing these injuries.
Last season, if I'm not mistaken, I don't think there
was a single achilles tear last season, and it was
(08:50):
the same amount of minutes, same amount of games, right,
Guys didn't suddenly get larger in the course of a year.
So I don't think that anybody has necessarily the answer.
I think injuries are just bad luck sometimes and that's
just what happened.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Can we check and see if there were any achilles
tears in the previous year. I mean, you did have
a couple of players in the last couple of years
who have suffered Achilles tears, and these are marquee players.
One other basketball note, I guess Bleacher Report had a
ranking top one hundred NBA players of all time, and
(09:26):
Kobe wasn't in the top ten. Marvin, do you have that?
Do you have that list? Oh? Is this d Wade
talking about Kobe? Okay, d Wade. There are a lot
of guys who are upset about the rankings. But this
is what Bleacher Report wants. Because if Dwayne Wade's not
upset about Kobe's ranking, we're probably not talking about the rankings.
(09:48):
Here's Dwayne Wade.
Speaker 8 (09:50):
If you want to ask us hoopers who played against
Cole were talking all of us don't talk top three
facts like you all will talk talk three.
Speaker 9 (09:58):
Have you played against it?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Have you played it? His mama?
Speaker 8 (10:01):
But from someone's opinion that's never played against Kobe has
never played a game of basketball at the level that
we played at.
Speaker 9 (10:06):
Having him at eleven? Why am I? Why am I
up in arms about something like that?
Speaker 8 (10:11):
I remember when Kobe was alive, they had rankers when
he played in the league, and they had him low.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I remember one year and Kobe addressed it, like.
Speaker 8 (10:18):
Who is these idiots like why would I listen to
these idiots? And I'm not calling a person who did
as an idiot, but what I'm saying is when someone
does something like that, Kobe was like, this is idiotic
to me.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, I think that's calling somebody an idiot. But Kobe
Bryant should be in the top three. I I don't
think I've seen a list where Kobe. It's Mike Lebron
and Kobe should he be on the outside of the
top ten. That feels a little harsh there. Charles Berkley
(10:52):
is twenty fourth, twenty fifth, Jannis is twenty fourth on
that list. I don't know if they're any Have you
seen the list, Marvin.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I have, yes, Okay, it's uh, Mike Lebron, Kareem Kareem Hey,
Bill Russell, Magic Shack Duncan, Bird Will steph oh Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I think the debate here is more semantics when someone
like Dwayne Wade is talking. When we put these lists together,
media people, we're almost judging it by resume. That's why
Bill Russell is on there or Tim Duncan, because it's
a resume. I think a guy like Dwayne Wade is saying,
who's the best Hooper, I've ever seen or faced best
at the game of basketball, which raises some people up.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Well. He talks about the stylistic, inspiration, the work ethic,
all of those different things. I agree with you. We
usually rank these players because we look at championships. We
start there. That's your resume. That's why Bill Russell's in there.
If you took away Bill Russell, he would be a
really good If he took away the championships and you
(12:04):
were going to rank him, Bill Russell might be. He
wouldn't be in the top twenty, I don't think because
his numbers weren't great, but he was the ultimate team player.
Now he always had rebounds in block shots, but artistically
not a not an offensive player.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Yes, Mark, and I think Dwayne Wade is speaking for
players around the league. And if you listen to some
of these player only podcasts, the way they speak about
Kobe Bryant, it's like the level of disrespect I think
the media has for Kobe as far as an all
time great. It's like, wait, wait, if you played against him,
he was the guy that you feared, or he was
(12:46):
the best player, most skilled. But I think.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Okay, but if you don't have Michael Jordan, then I
would understand where you put Kobe. But we saw Michael.
Kobe tried to be Michael. Therefore you're going to compare
him to Michael. And yes, maybe he's slighted, maybe he
doesn't get the respect that he should. Kareem to me
is the greatest basketball player of all time. If I
(13:12):
look at high school, college in the pros and I
think he's underrated. He dominated, but nobody likes the big guy,
you know, and Jordan did it at the right time
and he won titles, didn't even get to a game seven.
You know, no matter what Lebron does, it's never going
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to be good enough. I think Magic's underrated too. You know,
he won five titles. So you know, do we give
Tim Duncan too much credit because he won five titles? Yeah?
Probably so, But he still won the titles. If if
that's the bottom line of okay, where are you gonna
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rank it? When he did win five titles? There, I mean,
that's the only reason why Bill Russell was on the list,
because he won eleven titles.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yes, Pauline, and I think it works the same way
with quarterbacks. We judge resumes with quarterbacks clearly. But if
you said, who's the best ever at playing the position
of quarterback, I'm throwing Dan Marino's name in early in
that conversation at the he mastered it, and he mastered
it way earlier than a lot.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Of guys did.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
His resume doesn't help his case, his playing ability sure does.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Well.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
That's why we include Aaron Rodgers as maybe the greatest
talent to play the position because he's got one super Bowl,
And you think he should be higher on the list
because he's got four MVPs. Well, is it about championships?
Is it about MVPs? Like you know, sometimes we move
the goal line with this when we go, ah, man,
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he's the most talented guy throwing a football. What does
that mean? So the most talented guy to play the
position won one Super Bowl? That's the negative, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Yes, Mart, So if Michael Jordan didn't exist, we would
have Kobe much higher than he is. Is that what
you're saying?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yes? Yes, but I mean he's compared to Mike, which
isn't a fair comparison. But Kobe wanted that comparison. He
was trying to be like Mike and he came pretty close. Yes, Mark.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
That's a pretty good person trying to model yourself after though,
Well if you were like, oh, he's trying to be
Mike duh, yes, Seaton.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
But it is weird though that we as the media
are constantly comparing and looking for the next Michael Jordan,
and then when it happens, we're like, yeah, let's see,
he's the next Mike. We pushed this onto people and
then hold it against them after we do. It's very bizarre. Yeah, yeah,
you came.
Speaker 10 (15:42):
Close, but you're no Michael Jordan. I mean, is he
the next Michael Jordan's. You know, he's not that great.
He's the closest thing we've ever seen to Michael Jordan's.
So I gotta knock him down to eleven. Sorry, but
imagine taking on that mountain. You know that you say,
that's who I want to be. I want to be
better than.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
You, and I'm not afraid to emulate everything you do,
including the tongue hanging out of my mouth here, everything stylistically.
He wanted to be Michael Jordan, and he came pretty close. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Pulling a couple of years ago on PTI, I saw
Michael Wilbin talking about Kobe Bryant and Michael Wilbon his
first team Chicago, and Michael Jordan clearly, but he even
said a lot of people try to be like Michael Jordan.
Kobe became real close. Not a lot of people can
say they came even close.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
We'll take a break, we'll talk some football. Jason Garrett
on loan from Football Night in America. We'll stop by.
Hope you'll stay with us right after this on The
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former Cowboys coach and Notre Dame football analyst back on
the program. How often would players show up not in
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shape when you were the head coach of the Cowboys?
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Not very often, you know, the off season program changed
a lot through the years. If you think about twenty eleven,
they started short in the off season programs. You know,
relative to the days of Jimmy Johnson back in the nineties,
you know, we were in that building on March first,
and and you're able to lay a great foundation for
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the off season. You know, we ran and lifted and
did all that for two months before we even thought
about touching a football.
Speaker 9 (18:42):
And those days are long gone.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
And I do think in a lot of ways we
missed those days because the foundation that you lay for
yourself physically to get ready for sixteen seventeen game NFL
season is credit and I think that's changed a little bit.
But I do think guys take care of themselves. I
do think guys know what's at stake. What I get
(19:08):
a little concerned about is they're not necessarily working out
long enough together in the off season in a competitive
environment with.
Speaker 9 (19:17):
Other NFL players.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
So the degree to which they're in shape is a
little bit of a concern to me, and I think
it's not quite as good as it used to be
because of the structure of the off season.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Were you with the Cowboys when Jimmy was talking about
if a player falls asleep in a meeting that he'll
cut him, and I'm paraphrasing. And then somebody said, well,
what happens if Troy Aikman falls asleep. He goes, well,
I'd go over there and wake him up so he
wouldn't be So he had different rules for different people.
Speaker 9 (19:51):
Well, it was the real thing.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
John Roper was a linebacker we had with the team,
and we signed him during the season and he fell
asleep in a meeting.
Speaker 9 (19:58):
And Jimmy cut him.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
And you know, but prior to that, he had talked
to the team.
Speaker 9 (20:04):
I'll never forget it.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
He stood in front of the team in a team
meeting and said, hey, guys, you guys don't understand. Everyone's
on a spectrum here. I don't treat everybody the same.
I don't treat everybody equally. You know, guys who have
been here for a long time and have skins on
the wall and have helped us win championships, they get
treated differently than a guy who just showed up. Troy
Akoman gets treated differently than a third string, you know,
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guard who's trying to hang on by a string.
Speaker 9 (20:30):
He hasn't done anything yet, and to.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Me, it's the first time I've ever heard a coach
ever say something like that. But it's true, and it's honest,
and certainly you want to be consistent, you want to
have a standard that you hold everybody too. But someone
who has some history with you and has some pelts
on the wall, I definitely think you treat them a
little bit differently. And Jimmy was honest with us, and
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I think everybody understood it.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
And were you there when he came up? The value
came up with the value system of draft picks and
when you were acquiring picks or trading picks, like the
number numerical value to those picks.
Speaker 9 (21:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
I got there in ninety two, the first Super Bowl year,
and Jimmy had been there. I guess that was his
fourth year, so he showed up in eighty nine. And
that happened prior to me being there. And I think
it was Jimmy and a guy named Mike McCoy who
was one of Jerry Jones's business partners in the oil
and gas business for years, and they're the ones who
came up with it together. And it's amazing how that
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became the language and the currency of draft rooms across
the NFL for so long. And you know, Jimmy was
a really, really smart guy. You know, I never worked
with him as a coach. He was I was a player,
he was a coach, So I wasn't priving a lot
of the behind the scenes stuff that goes on.
Speaker 9 (21:53):
But everyone talks.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
You know, Marvel's at how smart he was to be
able to come up with something like that and be
able to translate the evaluation of a player and the
draft into those terms.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Talking to Jason Garrett Football Night in America, former Cowboys
head coach, help me understand what Jerry Jones the message
that he's sending to Micah Parsons.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Well, you know, for me, in this day and age,
independent of the Cowboys, you know, the salary cap is
going up, and when you have players on your team
that you believe are cornerstone players, you know, my philosophy,
my thought was always let's sign these guys now.
Speaker 9 (22:34):
The price is only getting higher.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
You know a few years ago, when Kansas City signed
Patrick Mahomes to that whatever, it was, a five hundred
million dollar contract.
Speaker 9 (22:43):
Everybody's like, oh my god, that's ridiculous. You know, it's
a bargain. It's a bargain now. They were ahead of it.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
They took a preemptive strike, and it seemed aggressive at
the time, but you know, they're getting that guy for
what I would consider below market value. And you know,
Jerry has had a philosophy that he likes to wait
on these things, and unfortunately, when you wait, you know,
the price goes up. Miles Garrett signs, then TJ. Watt signs,
(23:12):
and all of a sudden, Michael Parson says.
Speaker 9 (23:14):
Hey, I should be making that.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
Because my stats are this relative to them and all
of that. So it's just something. It's an approach that
he's taken for years. I was always an advocate of
being ahead of it and making the preemptive strikes, assuming,
assuming that you believe in the player, assuming that you
think he is a cornerstone player for you. He represents
everything you want in the organization, and he's extremely productive.
(23:40):
So I got to believe they want Michael Parsons to
be with them for a long time, and I would
think that it's better to try to get it done
sooner rather than later.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Okay, But Dan Orlovski, Ross Tucker, in fact, Ross Tucker
last Hour feel like Jerry loves the publicity that he
gets with this that you know this is this is
pre advertising for the Cowboys, that Sports Center is leading
with Michael Parsons. That you know, he loves that and
(24:13):
you can almost become addicted to that. I don't know
what role you think that plays in his negotiation game.
Speaker 9 (24:21):
Well, he's a master marketer.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
I think we all know that, and his impact on
the popularity of the NFL cannot be overstated. You and
I both know his impact on TV deals in the nineties,
his impact on marketing stadiums and how that's made a
lot of owners, a lot of coaches, a lot of players,
(24:43):
a hell of a lot of money for a lot
of years.
Speaker 9 (24:45):
So he certainly gets that part of it.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
I don't think that's the driving motivation, because if it
wasn't Michael Parsons, it would be something else with the Cowboys, right,
ESPN always leads with the Cowboys, you know, whatever the
situation is. So I don't think that's a driving force
necessarily for him. Maybe it's a byproduct of the approach
he's taken, but he typically likes to wait on these things.
(25:12):
He typically likes the player to come to the owner
and sit down and talk and say, Okay, how do
you want to do this. He doesn't like to talk
to agents necessarily about contracts. He likes to get to
the point where Zach Martin or Tyron Smith or Zeke
Elliott or Des Bryant, they sit down together and they
(25:34):
figure it out. And that's not to say that the
player goes in there uneducated, but Jerry just likes to
have that individual relationship with the guy.
Speaker 9 (25:44):
And he's done that forever.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
He did it with Dion Sanders and Troy Aikman and
Michael Lervin and all the guys back in the nineties.
So just an approach that he takes. My concern is
the more you wait, the more you pay.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
But he knows that though.
Speaker 11 (25:59):
Ja.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, he's a brilliant business man. Yeah, and we all
say the same thing, it's gonna cost you more. He
waited for Dak and you know that was the first
Sunday of the NFL season, got that deal done. So
he knows. He's repeated this. He does this. That's what
I just don't understand the logic of I'm gonna pay
(26:21):
more money. Okay, he's gonna he's gonna sign Michael Parsons, right,
he's gonna be the highest paid non quarterback in the NFL,
NFL history, it's gonna happen. He was gonna sign Dak Prescott,
he was gonna sign c d Lamb. He I mean,
I don't understand the logic here, a guy, you know,
(26:41):
who's a billionaire.
Speaker 9 (26:44):
Yeah, maybe he thinks he's going to get a better
deal the more he.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Goes, But he doesn't get a better deal.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Yeah, and and and maybe he wants to see more evidence.
You know, I'm just throwing those things out there, but
I think you and I both know that it's probably
better to get these guys signed earlier than later.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Give me the team that you're curious about this season,
either good or bad.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
I'm curious about Washington. I just think they did a
remarkable job last year. If you think about where that
organization had been for so long, and it started at
the top, It started.
Speaker 9 (27:20):
With their owner Daniel Snyder.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
There were a lot of really good coaches who went
through there, a lot of really good players who went
through there, and there were just so many obstacles to
their having ultimate success. So Josh Harris comes in there
and cleans the Slate and then he brings Dan Quinn
in which I thought was a tremendous decision, a guy
who can truly build a culture and get and get
(27:43):
a group of players and coaches and an organization working
together the right way.
Speaker 9 (27:48):
And then obviously they get Jade and Daniels.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
So you know, the leadership in that organization from top,
from the ownership to the head coach to the quarterback,
I think is really really good, good.
Speaker 9 (28:00):
But it's hard to do what they did.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
And so you know, everyone always says, hey, you regress
to the mean. I don't know if you do. I
don't know if you don't, but but I like what
they're doing there. Philadelphia obviously is the best team in
that division. They're the best team in the NFL going
into this thing. But I'm just curious to see if
they can maintain it. And I'm betting on them because
(28:23):
I really love the leadership and I like the team
they're building.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
You know, back to doing it correctly when it comes
to contracts. Many Eagles have been ahead of the curve.
Like they do it, you know, just like you were saying,
they do it early, they don't. Howie Roseman does not
mess around he's like, that's our guy. We're going to
sign him. We're going to sign him. And they got
bargains with some of these guys.
Speaker 9 (28:48):
Yeah, you know, they have been masterful, they really have.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
And you know, having played them for years being in
the NFC East, you know as a player and as
a coach, you know they've always been tough.
Speaker 9 (29:00):
They've always been a really good.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Team, you know, and these teams that he had were
phenomenal year after year, and then certainly you know recently
with a couple of Super Bowls they've won. But you know,
I think maybe more than anything else, the most significant
factor and all of that has been Howie Roseman, how
they've built the teams. You know, they're right in their
(29:22):
evaluations a lot. You know, whether they're drafting at the
top of the draft, middle of the draft, end of
the draft, whether it's a free agent signing, they're really
really good at the evaluation of the player. And then,
like you said, they're constantly ahead of it. They're letting
the one guy go, they got the new guy coming in.
They've been right on the new guy. Think about their
(29:43):
defense last year, the number of young players they had,
you have to be great evaluators to be able to
do that, and they've done it time and time again,
and that obviously contributes to your ability to let guys
go and be healthy under the salary cap, and they've
been the best in the league at it.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Do you want to play starters in the preseason if
you're a head coach?
Speaker 5 (30:06):
I do?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I do because I wonder about this. Yeah, it just
doesn't feel like you're to your point getting together as
a team and being able to practice. You know, Belichick
would talk about Brady talked about they kind of treated
the first couple of games of the regular season like
that was their preseason. You know, the Bengals always get
(30:29):
off to a slow start. I don't know if you
change your philosophy and maybe you put added importance on
the preseason games here, So I guess, you know, coach
by coach.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
But I'm such a big I'm such a big fan
of preparing, and you know, we talked about it earlier.
Speaker 9 (30:47):
With the off season programs.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
I get a little concern when you have a nine
week off season program and you're not doing a lot
of physical training together and you're doing some real light
spring practices and then you get in training camp and
you have ramp up periods, you don't have a lot
of padded practices, and you don't play anybody in the preseason,
and then all of a sudden in Week one, you say, okay,
(31:09):
here we go. And you know, the mentality of the
players is such that they're elite competitors, and I just
wonder if they're truly ready to compete at the level
that they're going to try to in that first week,
in the first few weeks, if you have if you
hadn't hardened them enough and they haven't calloused enough with
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their training and with them getting ready to play pro football.
So we always believed in a ramp up period, we
typically play our starters six eight, ten plays in the
first preseason game. Some guys if they had an injury
or something, you keep them out of it. But the
next preseason game, there's a progression. You play twelve fifteen plays,
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and by the time you get to that week one,
it's not a completely new experience. You've blocked people, you've
tackled people, and you're ready to go. And like I said,
you're hardened a little bit, you're calloused a little bit,
and I think that gives you a little more confidence
too as you move around there and compete and play.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
A topic of conversation yesterday on sports Radio, Nick Saban
maybe going back into coaching and coaching in the NFL.
So just speculation here, your thoughts on that possibility of
going back into coaching and going into the NFL.
Speaker 9 (32:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
I don't know if you know this, Dan, but my
first coaching job was with coach Saban. I was the
quarterback coach in Miami. So I just retired from playing
with the Dolphins, and two weeks later he gets hired
and I was his quarterback coach. So I was with
him in that NFL experience and it was an amazing
experience for me. I learned so much from him and
(32:52):
I'm eternally grateful for that.
Speaker 9 (32:56):
You know. In the middle of it, I.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Think he realized that in the NFL, you get one
first round pick a year, and if you go to
a place.
Speaker 9 (33:03):
Like Alabama, you can get ten.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
And if you get ten one year and you win
a national championship, you're gonna get twelve the next year.
And so he believed strongly in being relentless and recruiting
and building, you know, teams and knowing that at the
college level, it can perpetuate itself. Where in the NFL,
if you have success, it goes the other way. You
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pick later, you have to pay guys more, all that
kind of stuff. So I would think I would bet
against that. If you're asking me, I say, coach Saban
does not do that. I think he would do well.
I believed he was going to do well in Miami
before he took the Alabama job. But you know, miss
(33:49):
Terry is a very influential person in his life at
this point. So like he always says, I'm just going
to go up to the lake, he's probably enjoined his
time at ESPN.
Speaker 9 (34:00):
Enjoying some time at the lake.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Okay, but were you there when they bring in Dante
Colepepper and you bring in Drew Brees and the Dolphins
decided to go with Culpepper and Breeze. I guess physically
wasn't he was a question mark? Is that accurate?
Speaker 10 (34:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (34:20):
I was the quarterback coach at that time.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Did you make the decision that you said let's go
Culpeper over Breeze.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
Now it's an amazing experience on so many different levels.
I could write a book about this, you know, Drew
Brees is something else. And you know, he was an
amazing college player, as we all know, and initially in
San Diego had his struggles, but he started to emerge
(34:48):
as the guy and I think we saw that and
we're excited about it. But you know, we were all
in on breeze. And then ultimately there was a medical
decision that said he's he got a seventy five percent
of his rotator cuff and he wants eight million dollars guaranteed,
and we're not doing it. So it kind of became
(35:09):
out of our hands. But he was so much fun
to visit with. I'll never forget. We picked him up,
we went, we took a plane to New Orleans, we
picked him up, brought brought them in Miami, and just
had a hell of a time with him. And you know,
it was one of those things where you have to
respect the injury, but if you were betting on a
guy to be able to overcome an injury, he's the
(35:31):
guy that could do it.
Speaker 9 (35:32):
And obviously he was able to do it.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
He only threw for eighty thousand yards after the surgery.
Speaker 8 (35:38):
So.
Speaker 9 (35:40):
He was something else.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
And there was a good story about that, you know,
we went to dinner with him and Wayne Heizanga was
the owner of the team, And I'll.
Speaker 9 (35:49):
Never forget it.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
Uh, you know, Wayne sat next to him and his
wife at dinner, and and Imber never forget him saying
to me afterwards, you know, I'm out of the football
evaluation business, but I'll tell you what, I'm betting on
this guy.
Speaker 9 (36:02):
He's something else.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
And so for him to make that evaluation just based
on visiting with Drew Brees tells you a lot about
both those guys. And then we were there ultimately when
we signed Dante, and Dante was an amazing player, but
his movement was such a big part of his game,
and after he had the knee injury, he really couldn't
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move and it was harder for him to play the
way he was capable of playing before. So obviously that
didn't work out real well for any of us.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Great to catch up with you. Thanks for joining us.
We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 9 (36:37):
Yeah, I always enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Thank you. That's Jason Garrett Football Night in America analyst,
also Notre Dame football analysts as well. Yeah, you look
at the careers that were changed. NFL history was changed
by going with Dante Culpepper instead of Drew Brees. Who
knows how much longer that Saban would have stayed with
the Dolphins Drew Brees's career, Yeah, paulin.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
The direction of college football for the next fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah yeah, changed changed a lot, changed a lot. All right,
last call for phone calls?
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see in Glen Dora joining us on the program, What's
(37:47):
on your mind?
Speaker 9 (37:48):
Hey you?
Speaker 13 (37:48):
What's up?
Speaker 14 (37:49):
Man?
Speaker 13 (37:49):
Good to be back six I think six one now
going down, but I dropped down at two thirty, so
that's thirty pounds since I last talk in your show.
Hey Dan, so quick A couple quick things? Can can
can people? Stop singing along with Pandora in the morning
when you do this sta otu of the day, because
sometimes I'm just getting out of my bed and that
just gets my gate going. So when people start singing
(38:10):
along with her, it just kind.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Of messed things up, you know, Okay, stops singing along
with Pandora.
Speaker 9 (38:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (38:19):
The other thing is the other thing is we talk
about that we talk about this Jordan's or this top
ten list of all time. But I mean, when you ask,
a lot of people think the majority of the population
thinks that Jordan's the greatest, but when you ask him,
he's He tells you who's closest to him, it's Kobe Bryant.
(38:39):
And it's fine. Just leave it like that. They don't
have to. It doesn't have to be a top ten list.
But wouldn't you want to be part of that list?
If I mean, wouldn't you want to be number two?
I mean, if God asked you, can you be Jesus?
Would you do that?
Speaker 2 (38:53):
I mean, well, I don't know if God is asking
if you want to be Jesus, but I kind of
get what you're talking about. Thank you for the phone
call there. Yeah, well, Mike is saying Kobe is most
like him, but like Kareem's not, Lebron's not, Magic's not,
Larry's not. I mean, nobody really played the way Mike did.
(39:17):
Kobe wanted to play like that. He was open honest
about it. I think that's why he said he's the
closest to me. Yes, he's trying to be a mirror
image of you, Mike and Wisconsin. Hi Mike, what's on
your mind? Hey?
Speaker 9 (39:31):
Good morning fellas. Kind of that same topic.
Speaker 14 (39:34):
That top one hundred list got me thinking that I
think throughout history there's kind of one player from each
sport that if he said to the casual fan, you know,
name me a basketball player, it is probably going to
be Jordan's. Name me a Golfer's going to be Tiger
Football's right, Tom Brady, you know one.
Speaker 9 (39:51):
That's supped me? Though I don't.
Speaker 13 (39:52):
Is there somebody like that for baseball? And who would
that be?
Speaker 2 (39:56):
So modern era? If I we say baseball, who comes
to mind? Marvin?
Speaker 4 (40:03):
You got a name only personally? Barry Bonds?
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Okay, Paulie, same thing. For a number of reasons, Barry
Bonds is a household name.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Todd, you got a baseball name? If I just say baseball.
Like if we say golf from you say Tiger basketball,
you say Michael from any from any generation. Now, probably
i'd say o Toani.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Would be the first name that's comes to my mind.
As far as most current.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Satan, you got one, obviously, Steve Balboni, of course, Bye
bye Balboni, Bye bye, obviously. Of course. This day in
sports history Paul.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Two thousand and five. Lance Armstrong won his seventh Tour
de France. In nineteen eighty four, Terry Bradshaw retires from
the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
On this date, nineteen eighty three, George Brett's home run
against the Yankees disallowed due to too much pine tar.
They eventually came back on August eighteenth and ruled that
Retzholme run stands, and the Royals won that game five four.
What did I learn On Today's program?
Speaker 4 (41:05):
Todd Russ Tucker believes Bill Belichick is more likely to
coach in the NFL again than Nick Saban.
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program and Shooter McGavin Christopher McDonald will join us as well.
Hope you'll stop buy on Meet Friday for Todd Seaton, Marv,
(41:32):
Paula yours truly. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Have a
great day.
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