September 22, 2022 • 44 mins
Dan talks to Ramona Shelburne to get the latest on Boston Celtics HC, Ime Udoka's likely upcoming suspension as well as Phoenix Suns Owner, Robert Sarver's decision to sell his teams. And Cincinnati Reds 1B, Joey Votto stops by to talk about his visit to the stands during the game last night and Aaron Judge's dominating season.
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The NBA is taking a front and center, and not
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for good reasons. You have the Phoenix Suns or on
the they're up for sale. Robert Sarver has announced that
he's going to sell the Suns and the Phoenix Mercury.
I don't know if any pressure was attached. We'll talk
to Ramona Shelb ESPN, NBA Insider and Emay Doka, who
is the Celtics head coach. This story broke about twenty
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five minutes ago, or at least more of this. Adrian
Mojnarowski says no final decision has been made on the
length of a suspension, but internal discussions have included scenarios
that would Fudoka out for the entirety of the twenty
twenty two twenty three season. Sources told ESPN he is
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the suspension is because of a violation of organizational guidelines.
Let's bring in Ramona Schouburn ESPN, NBA Insiders senior writer.
I know you were going to come on and talk
about the Phoenix Sun situation. Let me ask about what's
going on with Boston Celtics here a possible year long suspension.
This came out of nowhere, Ramona, Yeah, it's been. It's
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been behind the scenes and we've you know, last night
it came out and it was I'm kind of tempering
my reaction until we get all the details here, but um,
you know, it's obviously really sad. I mean, this is
email Audoka is one of the great young coaches in
are in the NBA and took the Boston Celtics to
the NBA I knows last year. So from what I
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understand about this, Dan, it is a really serious situation.
We wouldn't be having this discussion and they wouldn't be
having these discussions if it wasn't um. But whenever, whenever
something is as uh in this situation, I think we
need to reserve our judgment on all this until everything
comes out and turn all the facts come out, and
and on this one, I'm not sure how many how
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much all the facts will come out. I think there
will be some, but um, you know, this is being
held very close to the vest, and it has been
for a little while there in Boston trying to come out.
I'm just trying to understand what would warrant a season
long suspension if he said it was a consensual relationship.
But um, well, in the workplace, you know, you have
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power dynamics, right, I mean there's um oh, I understand
being disciplined because of that that he's somebody superior, but
for a year, right, same for me. That's that when
I when I first heard about this, that was that
was my thought too. It's like that felt very severe,
felt very now. We had a similar um situation in
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Minnesota a couple of years ago with Gerson Rosas, who
is the president of basketball operations, who had a consensual
relationship with a team employee, and both Rosas and the
team employee ended up leaving the organization and it was
sort of both their of their own volition, but it
was it was against team policy and against organizational rules,
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and so we found out some of the details. But
again there was there was because both of them stepped away.
You only you only got some of the story. And
I'm wondering how this is going to play out as
it in the next couple of days. But it's it's
a it's a messy dicey situation and obviously very serious
to warn a year long suspension. I mean, there's you know,
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that's that's that's an that's a long punishment for um,
for a bright young coach in who had just had
so much success last year. If I told you a
week ago, Robert Sarver will be selling the Phoenix Suns
Phoenix Mercury, huh, what would your reaction have been? I
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would have I would have given you a nice nod.
I don't think. I don't think I expected him to
sell this quickly. I thought he would eventually sell the
whole time, because I even whether whether it was going
to happen now or six months from now or closer
to when that year long suspension was going to be up,
I just didn't see a path for him to continue
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owning and operating an NBA franchise after what was in
that report. If you really sat down and read the
forty three pages, which Chris Paul did, which Devin Booker did,
DeAndre Ayton, all the all the star players in that
in that organization, people actually read the report, which I
think is why there's been so much of a somewhat
of a delayed reaction to it. So when I covered
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the Donald sterling Um situation in twenty fourteen, one of
the issues was, you know, it was a tape. We
all heard the tape, and you have this very gut level,
visceral reaction to a tape, and everybody hears the same thing.
This is different in that a lot of the reporting
is off the record or sourced, and there's not names
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on these situations. There's no tape for you to listen to,
and you actually have to read forty three pages of report,
some of which the details are not all They don't
go all the way with the details because they're protecting
the people whose stories they are, they're protecting their identities.
And so there was a delayed reaction on this of
of the outcry and the outrage in the time that
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it took for people to read a report. And I
remember thinking to myself, like, that's you know, at this
and age, how often do you read a full book?
How often do people read more than what they see
in a tweet or a short article. I actually give
people a lot of credit for sitting down and going
through that report and digesting it in that timeframe. It
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feels like there was pressure applied somewhere. I don't know
who applied the pressure. So the pressure was applied publicly
by the players. You heard, you heard what Steph Kurt
it was he sorry? You heard what christ Paul said,
what Lebron James tweeted, what Draymond Green said? Um, but
it was also played privately. UM. Now, behind the scenes,
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there was a there was a lot said and done
by Adam m with Robert Sarber, and then frankly, the sponsors.
You know, pay Pal is the only sponsor that came
forward publicly to announce what happened, with Robert Sarber saying
they didn't association with the Sons afterwards. But there were,
from what I understand, a lot of sponsors that were
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joining the line. And the dominoes were going to start
falling pretty soon. And I think yesterday in Robert announcing
he was going to sell the team was probably about
the last time he would have been able to make
that announcement or decision really of his own volition, on
his own time frame, because the walls were going to
start closing in. Yeah, I thought that when the commissioners said, hey,
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I can't do anything, can he start the process of
asking the other owners or governors about that. That's what
I wanted. Hey, I can't take away his team. Yeah,
but you know Roger Goodell did this when Hey, I
can't take away Daniel snot. What can you start the process?
And I wondered if the you know, if Adam Silver
was going to start the process with the other owners. Um,
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I think that was on the table. I don't think
that had started. Dan. I don't think the process. But
there's one pretty big difference in that in the NFL.
When the report came out on the commanders and Dan
Cider and all that, that report wasn't released in full.
It wasn't really they weren't weren't given a lot of details. Um,
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the NBA report is not the full report. Of course,
there was three hundred and twenty witnesses we were interview.
It was distilled down into forty three pages. But there
were still forty three pages, and they were pretty specific
on certain incidents. And I thought there was in a
way that was the process, right, that is starting the process,
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Like you you drop that into the water and give
people time to read it and digest it. And I
think the longer that was in the public consciousness. The
more people read it the more. And I have to
give a lot of credit to the players who who
talked about it publicly because they did it before they
were asked. Right, Lebron James wasn't asked to his opinion.
He just gave it on Twitter, and neither was Chris Paul.
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But they were specific, and they were public and what
they called for, and I just don't there wasn't going
to be a path for Robert Tarbert to keep owning
the team. He was gonna fight. He fought real hard
behind the scenes to keep owning the team. But once
the sponsors started pulling out and or we're about to
start pulling out in mass that's when I think things
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really changed for him and for the league, and that
they ended up in a place where and let's be
real about it. If you're the other owners in the NBA,
um you know in Congress, when they vote on something,
it's all public, right, it's on you span and you
see who votes on everything, and you have a record.
In the NBA. Those votes are supposed to be private,
but you and I both know that every vote would eleaked.
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We would have found out who voted for what, and
you know, there's a if if they had voted for
Robert Sarver to stay in the league, you'd have to
answer for that. If you'd voted against Robert Sarver, you'd
have to answer for that. It was a it was
a vote no one really wanted to take or make.
And I think, and this is how these things usually go.
Robert Sarver became very bad for business, right um YEA
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for the NBA business and for the Sun's business. And
that's why we saw him voluntarily excited to sell. Now
he's gonna do a lot of business on this sale. Here.
It's gonna about the team for about four hundred million,
and he's gonna I think he'll get my interest in
my conversations. I think it'll go for above three billion
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dollars three billion, a lot of money. I mean. So
there's a there's a there's a lot of debate over
that right now. But we have a few guidelines, which is,
there was a they were valued when there was a
Dial Capital, which is a hedge fund invested in them
last summer and in twenty twenty one, and it was
a one point five five billion valuation for a minority share. Okay,
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so that's not control. This would be buying the team
with full control, and so that's worth a lot more
than one point five five. That was also a year ago.
And now we're coming up on a new CBA new
TV rights deal. The NBA is a whole lot more
valuable than it was even a year ago. It's recovered
from the pandemic, all the viewership and rights are up.
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I think this could be an incredible number potential potential owners.
Seems like you've got some guys who certainly have the money. Yeah,
what are you hearing? Yeah, I mean, look, it's still
really early. And the important thing to remember here is
Sarver has control of this sale. I mean, when when
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Shelley Stirling sold the Clippers, she got to decide. She said,
I want to sell it to one guy. I want
to sell it to a group. Um. The league doesn't
have any say in this. Yeah, they'll say he'll prove
you know, they'll prove the end. But it's his team,
it's his franchise. He gets to the side. It's like
if I sell my house, I could to choose the buyer, right, Um,
And so there is some influence they'll get to have,
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but he still has quite a bit of leverage here. Um.
And you know that's important because when we look at
potential owners from within, like let's say the minority partners,
people who own smaller stakes in the Sun's now, Um,
you know what he selled to one of his uh
CO owners now or is it going to come from
the outside. My understand He's most likely going to come
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from the outside. Um, and made the relationship with Starber
might matter here generally speaking when it comes down to
it highest bitter ones, right. But um, there's a lot
of there's gonna be a lot of interest here. I've
already heard names like Jeff Bezos, Um, Bob Iyer who
used to run Disney. Uh, you know, Lorraine Jobs, the
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you know, Larry Ellison. These are these are names that
have been out there. Um, the estate of Sheldon Adelson. Um,
those are those are There's a lot of interest in this.
And plus you know, I think somebody told me yesterday,
I always always think about who own minority shares in
NBA teams right now because a lot of times owners
it's like you you join an ownership group in one
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city and then a couple of years later you get
you know, enough money, you can put a group together yourself. Um.
And so those are a lot of candidates we haven't
even thought about yet, but there'll be a lot of
interesting sons because that's a great market, Phoenix. You know,
you go to Scottsdale all the time, right, Um, great market,
great team. Um. And it's a good time for the
NBA with the TV rights deal and the new CBA
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coming up. Thanks for joining us, Ramona, We appreciate it.
Thanks Dan. That's Ramona Schober ESPN NBA Insider senior writer.
There a lot of good information there, but you know
the fact that he could sell to whoever he wants to.
I don't know if you can do that in baseball
or football. Feels like, all right, who do you want
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to sell it to? And then we can decide if
we think that's a the right person to sell to. Yes, yeah,
it's that easy. If I'm Robert Server, I sell to
my cousin Steve, you know, and then I has still
control of the place. It's like what the NFL did. Well.
If he could give it to his wife, yes, I
guess can you sell it to your Yeah, you gotta
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have the funds. Your cousin Tommy Yeah, Tommy, you're the owner.
How much I don't know, six bucks, I'll cover you.
All right, let's take a break. We'll talk to the
Cincinnati Reds Joey Vado, who played the role of fan.
Now that he's injured, he was roaming around the ballpark
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Coming up an incredible anniversary fifteen years ago, one of
our favorite press conferences ever. We'll have that for you.
Coming out. One of our favorite guests, Joey Vado, the
Reds first basement, six time all Star, won the MVP
back in twenty ten, and now he's a fan. I mean,
not a fan of this show. I'm just talking about
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he was a fan at the ballpark. He's out with
a shoulder surgery. You were you were trending on Twitter there, Joey.
Help was this planned that you were going to go
and be a fan and watch the game? Hi? Dan, Hi, Joey,
I am a fan of your show. It just all
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came about I. So I've thrown a Pittsburgh Pirates Roberto
Clemented jersey when I was accepting the nomination for the
Cincinnati Reds, and I felt guilt. I felt guilt that
I had a Pirate's jersey on. So I was like,
I gotta take this jersey off. It's the right thing
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to do with where the jersey, but I needed to
give it to a fan. So I was like, all right,
I've never been I've been the stands before. I'm gonna
head up. We're gonna give the Clemented jersey to a
young fan. I'm gonna sign I had a Red twenty one. Also,
I'm allowed to wear twenty one because I'm a Clemente nominee.
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I signed that one. I'm gonna go give it to
a fan. So I head upstairs and I go to
the entryway. And I'd always like imagined hoped that one
day I would be able to interact with the fans
kind of during my career. But I'm playing and I'm
injured right now, so I had the opportunity. So I
head up to the front gates the security. I walk
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outside and there's a little one there and I give
her the Clemented jersey and she was appreciative. And then
I crossed paths with another Reds fan and I give
my jersey too, And so I'm there, I start taking pictures,
start signing autographs, and then I just decide, this feels okay,
this feels safe. People are reacting, well, I'm going to
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keep going. So I've never been to the five hundred
section before I head upstairs. I go to the five
hundred section. What have you. I've never seen a Reds
game before. I've never interacted with the Reds fans. Mid game,
I get done there, I go behind home play, I
go into the right field bleachers, left field bleachers, walked
the concourse. You know, the reactions I got made it worthwhile.
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So it just all came so quickly. But did you
get people who well, the reactions were what because I'm
gonna guess they're like, you kind of look like Joey Votto,
but you can't beat Joey Votto. Lots of that. There
was a lot of Red Sox fans and most of
them looked at me and were like, dude, show me
your ticket. What is this even your seat? But the
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Reds fans were excited, and you know, I got a
lot of that, you look like Joey. And then when eventually,
I think there was like message around the stadium, maybe
at about the halfway point when I hit the right
field bleachers. For sure, when I hit the right field bleachers,
which was like mark number three that's when people knew, Oh,
Joey's in the stands right now, and they were so
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they were so welcoming, so excited to see me so
and I was excited to see them. It was cool.
I mean, it just was because you're able to you
don't get to see It's almost like an actor who
gets to go on the other side of the camera
and they get to see what the directors see. You
get to sit there with the fans to see what
that is like. And as you said, you'd never done
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that before. But growing up, how many baseball games did
you go to? Few? Few? You know, from thirteen fourteen
on baseball kept me busy, I remember, you know, maybe
a couple here and there, but not many games. And
that was the appeal to me, you know, I I
love going to a baseball game. And I'm in the
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middle middle of my career, and every day when I'm playing,
I'm in a completely different frame of mine. You know,
I'm I'm locked in on my work, not my teammates.
I wanted to support my teammates, but they're doing their
own work. So I'm locked in on how well the
team plays and how well I play, Over and over
and over and you become robotic when it comes to
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your interactions with the fans, signing autographs, smiling for a picture,
signing autographs, smiling for a picture, over and over and
over and over. And you can't let your guard down
because you have to save that stamina. You have to
save that energy for performance that night, recovery at night
game the next day, over and over and over and
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so it's important to me to connect with the fans,
but it's it's also important to protect my energy. Whereas
yesterday I was able to completely let my guard down
and connect with the fans. The only thing I had
to do is protect my shoulder. But it was such
a different experience because I'm still in the heart of
my career. I think at this stage, I'm recognizing that
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it's going to end at some point. I'm not sure when,
but you know, I just turned thirty nine, and I'm
much much closer to the end than I am i
am even the middle of the beginning. And so to me,
I wanted another thing too. I want people to the
fans to know who I am. Like it's a little
different when you're a former player and you enter the crowd.
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You can sit in your seat and wants the game,
and they're like, we didn't get to see you play.
Whereas I'm walking around and there's Voto jerseys. You know,
there's people you know that watched me play just a
month ago in live. So I don't know why. It
just appealed to me. And just watching a game. I
got to sit with a couple of fans for a bit,
taking in taking the angle. It was just it was
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a really charming experience for me. We're talking to Joey
Votto second consecutive year. He's the Reds nominee for Baseball's
prestigious Roberto Clemente Award. A couple of analysts at ESPN,
a couple of you know, very short baseball guys, said
that whatever judge Who's doing could be could be the
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greatest baseball season of all time. What do you think.
I think it's a very fair statement. I do think,
without getting too deep into the weeds with the doping stretch,
I think that was a much different era. I also
think post integration, I think that matters. There's too many
big wins above replacement seasons, too much, too many extreme
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seasons in the earlier part of the twentieth century. You know,
it's it's nice that you put up a twelve win
season or hit four hundred, but you did it against
a bunch of what you know, white players that you know,
weren't competing against the best of the world. Whereas you know,
the two American League candidates are a Japanese player and
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a six foot nine, you know, black athlete in Aaron Judge.
And so to me, we have of the very best
version of the game right now with the best athletes
and Aaron Judges completely dominating us. Sixty home runs running
for the Triple Crown, fantastic defenders. He's the leader of
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the Yankees, and just purely offensively, you know, measurably, he's
in that upper upper tier of offensive one year performances,
and I think it's very fair to say that he
is having the greatest offensive season of all time. David
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Knon yesterday, former pitcher, works for the Yankees, and he
said that the baseballs are They're not lively anymore, so
are they I'm trying to understand if baseball once more
home runs because the analytics say, up there and swing
for home runs, that's what you do offensively, but baseball
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bought rawlings, they bought the baseballs, and now are they
Are they less lively? Are they deadened like your assessment?
Well in in in game, yes they are there. They
don't fly as well. Um. You know, just just recently,
I was looking at the home run statistics and I
think the last five years or so, the average was
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somewhere around one two one three home runs per game,
one point two one point three. Lots of um, lots
of big home run seasons over the last five six years,
since twenty fifteen. This year big dip. And I think
that is what makes Aaron's season to you know, call
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back his season special. But the experience of being a
hitter now, when you strike a ball, kind of miss
strike a ball and it's getting caught at the wall,
that forces you as a hitter to adjust because we're
not going to just keep going out there and coming
up short. We're gonna lower our traject three to more
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guarantee a hit a line drive, double or single. Maybe
we'll move closer to the corners either foul poll meaning
we'll try to pull the ball, but with the shorter
part of the field. So there's many different ways you
can go about it. Maybe more bunting, more hitting and run.
I think there's a chance that and another thing I
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forgot to mention, more putting the ball in play. You
know you swing and take you take a big swing
attempting a home run, it comes with risk swing and
miss risk, Whereas if you attempt to control the barrel
and make contact in play, your home run likelihood goes down.
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But singles doubles all the other options. But Judge is
hitting sixty home runs and baseball doesn't want you to
hit sixty home runs. That's incredible. He's having a special
season for a ready if he hit sixty two, who
is the Singles season all time home runs? Yeah? Um
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so for me, Barry Bonds is my favorite hitter. Um,
but I can't ignore all the facts. Um, I will
say I will sound rooting hard for Aaron Judge to
hit as many home runs as possible. Dan, this is
the worst question to ask me right now, because I'm
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still in uniform, and I think maybe post career I'll
be able to answer that question. But it's just too
just too difficult to answer. No, I get it, and
you're not retiring, by the way. Guess Joey Vato is
one of two active players with at least two thousand
hits thirteen hundred walks, and also second among all active
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players um on base percentage. Do you know the only
other active player who has a better on base percentage
than you, Joe Evano Mike Trout. Yeah, yeah, just barely.
That's not bad. Anytime you're mentioned with Mike Trout, that's
pretty good. Yeah, it's good. And you thought he wasn't
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a Hall of Famer last time, Well, it's not yet, yeah,
but it was not like it wasn't like, who's a
Hall of Famer right now? When we were talking about
hypothetical Hall of Famer. He's going to be a Hall
of Famer, But you didn't think that at the time.
You were having your doubts. When did I say I
had my doubts about Mike Trout being a Hall of Famer?
You know, last time I came on, you said, hey,
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it's so good to have Joey for the first time.
I'd been on two times before Dan Patrick. And now
you're forgetting the Mike Trout conversation. Yeah, but those were
forgettable appearances, you're right, yeah, right, yeah, we forgot about those.
Those were good. Yeah, you're right. I'm on with Max
Kellerman next, so I'll be sure to forget that. I
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like that. I like that, by the way. So there's
two active players with at least two thousand hits thirteen
hundred walks. The other one Albert Poohles. Oh yeah, big
year for Albert Pools. Wekay sixty two home runs per judge,
seven hundred home runs for Poohles. You get to pick
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one more important this year? Well, this year it's the
home run record, but all time it's clearly Albert. I
mean there's four. He'll be the fourth with Willie Babe
and Barry excuse me, the fifth with Hank Aaron obviously.
But for me, for me, I'm in the I'm in
the National League Central and I played against Albert at
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his best, and I you know, I watched him leave
and watched him come back. And the excitement, the support
the Cardinals fans give him, and also the full circle
nature of his experience in Saint Louis. I love it.
I'm so happy for him. I think that you did.
Going in the stands should be something that other players
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do if you're on the d L. As long as
you can walk around and you not get injured and
you know, nobody's gonna patch you on the shoulder and
say hey, great job, great senior or anything like that.
What do you think other players, if you're on the DL,
that you have to have one night where you go
and visit the white Why you're cringing? Why? Well, no,
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not have to? Well, no, we we would encourage you.
We're gonna call it doing a vado. I think that
it was something I was excited to do and I
felt a quipped to do. And um, we recently got
done with a collective bargaining agreement and we did not
negotiate that, so our players are union. Don't come on,
(29:50):
come on, we don't have to do any We'll call
it enough voto tiering, you know, instead of volunteering, it's
vado tiering. Hey I like that, Okay, I mean that's
off the cuff is what that was? I mean? Off?
Speed off speed off off the rotator, cuff off the
perfect Yeah. Um, they great to talk to you. Is
this the first time we've had Joey on? First time? Yeah? Man,
(30:12):
great appearance. Yeah. Are we even recording? Right? No? No, no, no,
this is live practice session live, This is live. You
were live goodness. Yes, I had some things that for
sure would have got me canceled had I said them.
Oh my goodness, Do you think I could get a
pitch by you right now? Yes? Okay, okay, I just
(30:34):
wanted to make sure I've got one arm. I got
one arm two? Was that a plan on words? I've
got one arm two? Uh? Well, good luck with Max Kellerman.
I'm sure it'll be as as fun as I'm not
going on with Max Colle. Oh, now you're refusing to
(30:56):
he by the way, what was the whole thing with him? Uh?
Saying Albert's thing was? Oh what was that all about? Well,
he said I want what he's having, insinuating that Albert
could be spiced up there a little bit there. It's
called the hot takes. If you ever get in the media,
(31:17):
don't fall prey to saying something just to get a
hot take, to get reaction or get likes. Just I
don't think that. I don't think that was a hot take.
I think he meant it. Meant it well, yeah I
do too, But yeah, do play you had to walk
it back? Yeah? Yeah, no, Albert, I don't know. I'm
not I'm not Albert, but watching him in Anaheim and
(31:40):
watching him now in Saint Louis, he's paced his schedule,
he doesn't play as much, he's massed up against left
hand I'll say this one more thing before I go.
Confidence in rhythm are like important for a hitter. And
in July he was hitting a buck nine. He would
no damage, no damage. I think sub four hundred slug
maybe even right around three. There's luck, not a strong stretch,
(32:02):
but there's something about when you time it's a good matchup,
and then you'd repeat it, and then you start believing
that that's a reality. And I think he did that
with left handed pitching for a bit, and then when
you hit this rhythm, all of a sudden, you can
start doing it taking chances, start doing it against different
(32:25):
because he started doing against right handed pitching, he start
doing it against both sides, taking chances, and I think
he just he's so strong naturally. So would you rather
witness seven hundred be at back game or sixty two
for judge? Yeah, probably seven hundred. Just because of my
relationship with the Cardinals fans, you know, my lawyer, accountant,
(32:46):
financial advisor all there. You know, they pour the wine
and we you know, chop up the Saint Louis Cardinals
fans are hard on me at times, you know they
Cardinals fans aren't hard on anybody. Joe Oh, they are sneaky, sneaky,
sneaky they are. Ye. Well, Uh, great to have you on.
(33:09):
Good luck with the recovery. I appreciate it. And uh,
I don't know. What do you think. Should we have
Joey on? Maybe again sometime tomorrow? Oh? Nice, I'll see
you guys next time for the first time. Okay, thank you, Joey.
That's Joey vanho fan. He should work for the league.
(33:30):
You should work for baseball or maybe you'll go into
the media. Yeah, Paul. The social media reaction from our
fans when we have this guy and it's really overwhelming.
People like, get this guy in a booth, get this
guy in the show. He's wonderful. To give him his
own show on MV network or whatever. Get him in
the league like an ambassador or baseball. I don't remember
having a question mark attention to Mike troutling into the
(33:51):
Hall of Fame saying there you were questioning whether Joey
was going to go to the not Trout. Yeah, I
don't think you said any round could go into the
Hall of Fame right now, No doubt he'd go into
the Hall of Fame right now. It's first eight years,
he would go into the Hall of Fame. All right.
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state head coach Mike Gundee went off, if anybody hasn't
(36:21):
read this article, I don't read it. This was brought
to me by a mother of children. I think this
is worth reading. Let me tell you why. I'll talk
about this article. Three fourths of this is in accord stiction.
Here's all that kid did. He goes to class, he's
(36:42):
respectful to the media, he's respectful to the public, and
he's a good kid. And he's not a professional athlete,
and he doesn't deserve to be kicked when he's down.
That's why I don't read the newspaper because it's garbage.
And the editor that let it come out is guard
come after me. I'm a man, I'm forty, I'm not
(37:06):
a I'm not a kid. Write something about me or
our coaches. That's all I got to say. It makes
me want to puke. I like that he trashes the media,
and the media is they're applauding him, not our paper.
My favorite part of that press conference is mother of children.
(37:32):
I got this from a mother of children, of children, yeah,
as opposed to mother of some hens like the pair
of keets. What has it been fifteen years and we're
just hearing that part now I know I'm a man.
Uh and he's still there classic, I mean, I give
him credits still best Molae in case you won a
(37:59):
little bit more of the Fritzie Kevin Harland game. Fritzie
did this a couple of years ago, in fact, September,
almost almost two years to the day. What's today twenty
second second September twenty four, twenty twenty Fritzie and Kevin
Harlan and they took part in the Kevin Harlan Off.
(38:23):
Here's the sample. Jason Tatum from the corner. He buries
the three in the Celtics take a double digit lead.
Eric Spolster will gather the troops here and try to
stop the bleeding. We step away briefly. This is the
NBA on TNT all right contest at number two. All right,
Tatum from the quarry berries the three in the Celtics
take a double digit lead. Spuls will gather the troops
(38:45):
here and try to stop the bleeding. As we step away.
This is the NBA on t NT. Okay, I can't
tell the difference right now. Round two, the fall start
makes it third and eight now for the Seahawks, just
inside their own fifteen. Wilson, the snap drops back to throw,
complete the DK metcalf across the thirty and steps out
(39:08):
of bounds at the thirty four. It's the first down
for the Seahawks. Okay, contest at number two, the fall
start makes it a third and eight for Seattle, just
inside their own fifteen. Wilson back to past complete the
DK metcalf across the thirty out of bounce at the
first down for the Seahawks. And then I said to Fritzie,
(39:29):
I can't really tell the difference. And then Fritzie thought
I was being serious. I'm I did the first one. Yeah,
I did the first and third one. Kevin did the
second one. Yes. Point I kind of like Fritzie's better.
See he's a little better than Kevin Harland. Up beating
Kevin Harland just a little. I think the second call
you did better than Kevin. The first call you didn't.
(39:51):
I think it was a little more enthusiastic. I think
Kevin mailed in Kevin Harland. You can mail in your thing.
But you're really good right now, because if I say
do the NBA and you're gonna be more loose, you're
gonna be looser, You're gonna be more excited instead of
when you were reading something. So so if I just go,
all right, give me a Kevin Harlan, it'll be the
pacers in the Knicks thirty eight thirty eight with five
(40:13):
to twelve left in the second quarter and a fight
is broken out there. I don't know what's happening here.
Someone must have said something in the crowd and this
is getting ugly. Let's step away. This is the NBA
on First of all, they wouldn't step away if there
was yes, they would, but the commissioner doesn't like showing
the fight. Right this day in sports history, Paulie I
(40:34):
got to who that's one from years and years ago.
Nineteen twenty seven, in Chicago, Jeane Tunny successfully defended his
heavy boxing title against Jack Dempsey in the famous long
count fight. You can see that on YouTube. It's pretty cool. Oh.
Nineteen sixty nine, Willie Mays hit a six hundredth home run,
and in two thousand and six, Barry Bonds tied Hank
Aaron's nationally home run record when he hit his seven
hundred thirty third home run in two thousand and four.
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On this day, Barry Bonds was walked intentionally four times
in a nine inning game. It tied a record set
by Barry Bonds earlier in the season. He had two
games where he's intentionally walked four times. Let's see anything
else in here on this state nineteen eighty five. I
(41:16):
actually had to cover this. Billy Morton broke his right
arm in a bar fight with Ed whitson his pitcher.
Let's see final results of the poll question Seaton O'Connor. Damn,
we got three of them working today. A couple of
must wins. Week three, must win for the Raiders, tonight
(41:36):
must win for the Browns. And people would prefer a
group of players by the sons of Mercury rather than
a billionaire business man. Did you see where the Mets
set a modern baseball record for batters hit by a pitch?
One hundred and six guys they hit or they're guys
that got hit. The Mets broke the record after New
(41:57):
York's one hundred and six hit by pitch of this season.
Um it still seems confusing, but the Mets were actually
the Scott hit because Buck Showalder asked for the ball
as a keepsake of his hitters being hit by pitch
one hundred and six times. I gotta saved this for
(42:20):
a motivation. Let's go around the room. What we learned
on this program? Todd will start with you. Lewis Riddick
thinks the Titans, especially without aj Brown, could quite possibly
be just an average team. Alrighty Seaton O'Connor junior, the
third Joey Votto claims we've had him on many times.
I didn't recognize him with the beard, Marv. We got
(42:41):
Todd Harland now, oh so Kevin, Kevin Harland's brother, Todd outstanding,
Thank you, Todd. H Paulie is great to finally have
Joey Votto on the show. Yeah, we've been trying a
long time, Todd. What did I learned? Ramona Shelbourne is
hearing Robert Starver could get three billion dollars for the
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Jimmy Jimmerson. Is this experience going to work? That's what
the readers are asking themselves right now. Now, that's when
you drop the line. You do not want to start
out and three coaches all over the league are telling
me right now, Dan, to a man, you do not
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it's fair point. You can't argue with that kind of analysis.
The NBA is taking a front and center, and not
(01:27):
for good reasons. You have the Phoenix Suns or on
the they're up for sale. Robert Sarver has announced that
he's going to sell the Suns and the Phoenix Mercury.
I don't know if any pressure was attached. We'll talk
to Ramona Shelb ESPN, NBA Insider and Emay Doka, who
is the Celtics head coach. This story broke about twenty
(01:49):
five minutes ago, or at least more of this. Adrian
Mojnarowski says no final decision has been made on the
length of a suspension, but internal discussions have included scenarios
that would Fudoka out for the entirety of the twenty
twenty two twenty three season. Sources told ESPN he is
(02:09):
the suspension is because of a violation of organizational guidelines.
Let's bring in Ramona Schouburn ESPN, NBA Insiders senior writer.
I know you were going to come on and talk
about the Phoenix Sun situation. Let me ask about what's
going on with Boston Celtics here a possible year long suspension.
This came out of nowhere, Ramona, Yeah, it's been. It's
(02:30):
been behind the scenes and we've you know, last night
it came out and it was I'm kind of tempering
my reaction until we get all the details here, but um,
you know, it's obviously really sad. I mean, this is
email Audoka is one of the great young coaches in
are in the NBA and took the Boston Celtics to
the NBA I knows last year. So from what I
(02:53):
understand about this, Dan, it is a really serious situation.
We wouldn't be having this discussion and they wouldn't be
having these discussions if it wasn't um. But whenever, whenever
something is as uh in this situation, I think we
need to reserve our judgment on all this until everything
comes out and turn all the facts come out, and
and on this one, I'm not sure how many how
(03:13):
much all the facts will come out. I think there
will be some, but um, you know, this is being
held very close to the vest, and it has been
for a little while there in Boston trying to come out.
I'm just trying to understand what would warrant a season
long suspension if he said it was a consensual relationship.
But um, well, in the workplace, you know, you have
(03:38):
power dynamics, right, I mean there's um oh, I understand
being disciplined because of that that he's somebody superior, but
for a year, right, same for me. That's that when
I when I first heard about this, that was that
was my thought too. It's like that felt very severe,
felt very now. We had a similar um situation in
(03:59):
Minnesota a couple of years ago with Gerson Rosas, who
is the president of basketball operations, who had a consensual
relationship with a team employee, and both Rosas and the
team employee ended up leaving the organization and it was
sort of both their of their own volition, but it
was it was against team policy and against organizational rules,
(04:22):
and so we found out some of the details. But
again there was there was because both of them stepped away.
You only you only got some of the story. And
I'm wondering how this is going to play out as
it in the next couple of days. But it's it's
a it's a messy dicey situation and obviously very serious
to warn a year long suspension. I mean, there's you know,
(04:43):
that's that's that's an that's a long punishment for um,
for a bright young coach in who had just had
so much success last year. If I told you a
week ago, Robert Sarver will be selling the Phoenix Suns
Phoenix Mercury, huh, what would your reaction have been? I
(05:04):
would have I would have given you a nice nod.
I don't think. I don't think I expected him to
sell this quickly. I thought he would eventually sell the
whole time, because I even whether whether it was going
to happen now or six months from now or closer
to when that year long suspension was going to be up,
I just didn't see a path for him to continue
(05:27):
owning and operating an NBA franchise after what was in
that report. If you really sat down and read the
forty three pages, which Chris Paul did, which Devin Booker did,
DeAndre Ayton, all the all the star players in that
in that organization, people actually read the report, which I
think is why there's been so much of a somewhat
of a delayed reaction to it. So when I covered
(05:48):
the Donald sterling Um situation in twenty fourteen, one of
the issues was, you know, it was a tape. We
all heard the tape, and you have this very gut level,
visceral reaction to a tape, and everybody hears the same thing.
This is different in that a lot of the reporting
is off the record or sourced, and there's not names
(06:09):
on these situations. There's no tape for you to listen to,
and you actually have to read forty three pages of report,
some of which the details are not all They don't
go all the way with the details because they're protecting
the people whose stories they are, they're protecting their identities.
And so there was a delayed reaction on this of
of the outcry and the outrage in the time that
(06:31):
it took for people to read a report. And I
remember thinking to myself, like, that's you know, at this
and age, how often do you read a full book?
How often do people read more than what they see
in a tweet or a short article. I actually give
people a lot of credit for sitting down and going
through that report and digesting it in that timeframe. It
(06:52):
feels like there was pressure applied somewhere. I don't know
who applied the pressure. So the pressure was applied publicly
by the players. You heard, you heard what Steph Kurt
it was he sorry? You heard what christ Paul said,
what Lebron James tweeted, what Draymond Green said? Um, but
it was also played privately. UM. Now, behind the scenes,
(07:14):
there was a there was a lot said and done
by Adam m with Robert Sarber, and then frankly, the sponsors.
You know, pay Pal is the only sponsor that came
forward publicly to announce what happened, with Robert Sarber saying
they didn't association with the Sons afterwards. But there were,
from what I understand, a lot of sponsors that were
(07:37):
joining the line. And the dominoes were going to start
falling pretty soon. And I think yesterday in Robert announcing
he was going to sell the team was probably about
the last time he would have been able to make
that announcement or decision really of his own volition, on
his own time frame, because the walls were going to
start closing in. Yeah, I thought that when the commissioners said, hey,
(08:00):
I can't do anything, can he start the process of
asking the other owners or governors about that. That's what
I wanted. Hey, I can't take away his team. Yeah,
but you know Roger Goodell did this when Hey, I
can't take away Daniel snot. What can you start the process?
And I wondered if the you know, if Adam Silver
was going to start the process with the other owners. Um,
(08:23):
I think that was on the table. I don't think
that had started. Dan. I don't think the process. But
there's one pretty big difference in that in the NFL.
When the report came out on the commanders and Dan
Cider and all that, that report wasn't released in full.
It wasn't really they weren't weren't given a lot of details. Um,
(08:43):
the NBA report is not the full report. Of course,
there was three hundred and twenty witnesses we were interview.
It was distilled down into forty three pages. But there
were still forty three pages, and they were pretty specific
on certain incidents. And I thought there was in a
way that was the process, right, that is starting the process,
(09:04):
Like you you drop that into the water and give
people time to read it and digest it. And I
think the longer that was in the public consciousness. The
more people read it the more. And I have to
give a lot of credit to the players who who
talked about it publicly because they did it before they
were asked. Right, Lebron James wasn't asked to his opinion.
He just gave it on Twitter, and neither was Chris Paul.
(09:26):
But they were specific, and they were public and what
they called for, and I just don't there wasn't going
to be a path for Robert Tarbert to keep owning
the team. He was gonna fight. He fought real hard
behind the scenes to keep owning the team. But once
the sponsors started pulling out and or we're about to
start pulling out in mass that's when I think things
(09:47):
really changed for him and for the league, and that
they ended up in a place where and let's be
real about it. If you're the other owners in the NBA,
um you know in Congress, when they vote on something,
it's all public, right, it's on you span and you
see who votes on everything, and you have a record.
In the NBA. Those votes are supposed to be private,
but you and I both know that every vote would eleaked.
(10:08):
We would have found out who voted for what, and
you know, there's a if if they had voted for
Robert Sarver to stay in the league, you'd have to
answer for that. If you'd voted against Robert Sarver, you'd
have to answer for that. It was a it was
a vote no one really wanted to take or make.
And I think, and this is how these things usually go.
Robert Sarver became very bad for business, right um YEA
(10:31):
for the NBA business and for the Sun's business. And
that's why we saw him voluntarily excited to sell. Now
he's gonna do a lot of business on this sale. Here.
It's gonna about the team for about four hundred million,
and he's gonna I think he'll get my interest in
my conversations. I think it'll go for above three billion
(10:52):
dollars three billion, a lot of money. I mean. So
there's a there's a there's a lot of debate over
that right now. But we have a few guidelines, which is,
there was a they were valued when there was a
Dial Capital, which is a hedge fund invested in them
last summer and in twenty twenty one, and it was
a one point five five billion valuation for a minority share. Okay,
(11:16):
so that's not control. This would be buying the team
with full control, and so that's worth a lot more
than one point five five. That was also a year ago.
And now we're coming up on a new CBA new
TV rights deal. The NBA is a whole lot more
valuable than it was even a year ago. It's recovered
from the pandemic, all the viewership and rights are up.
(11:39):
I think this could be an incredible number potential potential owners.
Seems like you've got some guys who certainly have the money. Yeah,
what are you hearing? Yeah, I mean, look, it's still
really early. And the important thing to remember here is
Sarver has control of this sale. I mean, when when
(12:01):
Shelley Stirling sold the Clippers, she got to decide. She said,
I want to sell it to one guy. I want
to sell it to a group. Um. The league doesn't
have any say in this. Yeah, they'll say he'll prove
you know, they'll prove the end. But it's his team,
it's his franchise. He gets to the side. It's like
if I sell my house, I could to choose the buyer, right, Um,
And so there is some influence they'll get to have,
(12:23):
but he still has quite a bit of leverage here. Um.
And you know that's important because when we look at
potential owners from within, like let's say the minority partners,
people who own smaller stakes in the Sun's now, Um,
you know what he selled to one of his uh
CO owners now or is it going to come from
the outside. My understand He's most likely going to come
(12:44):
from the outside. Um, and made the relationship with Starber
might matter here generally speaking when it comes down to
it highest bitter ones, right. But um, there's a lot
of there's gonna be a lot of interest here. I've
already heard names like Jeff Bezos, Um, Bob Iyer who
used to run Disney. Uh, you know, Lorraine Jobs, the
(13:04):
you know, Larry Ellison. These are these are names that
have been out there. Um, the estate of Sheldon Adelson. Um,
those are those are There's a lot of interest in this.
And plus you know, I think somebody told me yesterday,
I always always think about who own minority shares in
NBA teams right now because a lot of times owners
it's like you you join an ownership group in one
(13:25):
city and then a couple of years later you get
you know, enough money, you can put a group together yourself. Um.
And so those are a lot of candidates we haven't
even thought about yet, but there'll be a lot of
interesting sons because that's a great market, Phoenix. You know,
you go to Scottsdale all the time, right, Um, great market,
great team. Um. And it's a good time for the
NBA with the TV rights deal and the new CBA
(13:46):
coming up. Thanks for joining us, Ramona, We appreciate it.
Thanks Dan. That's Ramona Schober ESPN NBA Insider senior writer.
There a lot of good information there, but you know
the fact that he could sell to whoever he wants to.
I don't know if you can do that in baseball
or football. Feels like, all right, who do you want
(14:08):
to sell it to? And then we can decide if
we think that's a the right person to sell to. Yes, yeah,
it's that easy. If I'm Robert Server, I sell to
my cousin Steve, you know, and then I has still
control of the place. It's like what the NFL did. Well.
If he could give it to his wife, yes, I
guess can you sell it to your Yeah, you gotta
(14:28):
have the funds. Your cousin Tommy Yeah, Tommy, you're the owner.
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All right, let's take a break. We'll talk to the
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Now that he's injured, he was roaming around the ballpark
and one of our favorite guests will join us coming up.
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Coming up an incredible anniversary fifteen years ago, one of
our favorite press conferences ever. We'll have that for you.
Coming out. One of our favorite guests, Joey Vado, the
Reds first basement, six time all Star, won the MVP
back in twenty ten, and now he's a fan. I mean,
not a fan of this show. I'm just talking about
(16:15):
he was a fan at the ballpark. He's out with
a shoulder surgery. You were you were trending on Twitter there, Joey.
Help was this planned that you were going to go
and be a fan and watch the game? Hi? Dan, Hi, Joey,
I am a fan of your show. It just all
(16:36):
came about I. So I've thrown a Pittsburgh Pirates Roberto
Clemented jersey when I was accepting the nomination for the
Cincinnati Reds, and I felt guilt. I felt guilt that
I had a Pirate's jersey on. So I was like,
I gotta take this jersey off. It's the right thing
(16:57):
to do with where the jersey, but I needed to
give it to a fan. So I was like, all right,
I've never been I've been the stands before. I'm gonna
head up. We're gonna give the Clemented jersey to a
young fan. I'm gonna sign I had a Red twenty one. Also,
I'm allowed to wear twenty one because I'm a Clemente nominee.
(17:17):
I signed that one. I'm gonna go give it to
a fan. So I head upstairs and I go to
the entryway. And I'd always like imagined hoped that one
day I would be able to interact with the fans
kind of during my career. But I'm playing and I'm
injured right now, so I had the opportunity. So I
head up to the front gates the security. I walk
(17:39):
outside and there's a little one there and I give
her the Clemented jersey and she was appreciative. And then
I crossed paths with another Reds fan and I give
my jersey too, And so I'm there, I start taking pictures,
start signing autographs, and then I just decide, this feels okay,
this feels safe. People are reacting, well, I'm going to
(18:00):
keep going. So I've never been to the five hundred
section before I head upstairs. I go to the five
hundred section. What have you. I've never seen a Reds
game before. I've never interacted with the Reds fans. Mid game,
I get done there, I go behind home play, I
go into the right field bleachers, left field bleachers, walked
the concourse. You know, the reactions I got made it worthwhile.
(18:22):
So it just all came so quickly. But did you
get people who well, the reactions were what because I'm
gonna guess they're like, you kind of look like Joey Votto,
but you can't beat Joey Votto. Lots of that. There
was a lot of Red Sox fans and most of
them looked at me and were like, dude, show me
your ticket. What is this even your seat? But the
(18:44):
Reds fans were excited, and you know, I got a
lot of that, you look like Joey. And then when eventually,
I think there was like message around the stadium, maybe
at about the halfway point when I hit the right
field bleachers. For sure, when I hit the right field bleachers,
which was like mark number three that's when people knew, Oh,
Joey's in the stands right now, and they were so
(19:07):
they were so welcoming, so excited to see me so
and I was excited to see them. It was cool.
I mean, it just was because you're able to you
don't get to see It's almost like an actor who
gets to go on the other side of the camera
and they get to see what the directors see. You
get to sit there with the fans to see what
that is like. And as you said, you'd never done
(19:27):
that before. But growing up, how many baseball games did
you go to? Few? Few? You know, from thirteen fourteen
on baseball kept me busy, I remember, you know, maybe
a couple here and there, but not many games. And
that was the appeal to me, you know, I I
love going to a baseball game. And I'm in the
(19:50):
middle middle of my career, and every day when I'm playing,
I'm in a completely different frame of mine. You know,
I'm I'm locked in on my work, not my teammates.
I wanted to support my teammates, but they're doing their
own work. So I'm locked in on how well the
team plays and how well I play, Over and over
and over and you become robotic when it comes to
(20:14):
your interactions with the fans, signing autographs, smiling for a picture,
signing autographs, smiling for a picture, over and over and
over and over. And you can't let your guard down
because you have to save that stamina. You have to
save that energy for performance that night, recovery at night
game the next day, over and over and over and
(20:34):
so it's important to me to connect with the fans,
but it's it's also important to protect my energy. Whereas
yesterday I was able to completely let my guard down
and connect with the fans. The only thing I had
to do is protect my shoulder. But it was such
a different experience because I'm still in the heart of
my career. I think at this stage, I'm recognizing that
(20:58):
it's going to end at some point. I'm not sure when,
but you know, I just turned thirty nine, and I'm
much much closer to the end than I am i
am even the middle of the beginning. And so to me,
I wanted another thing too. I want people to the
fans to know who I am. Like it's a little
different when you're a former player and you enter the crowd.
(21:20):
You can sit in your seat and wants the game,
and they're like, we didn't get to see you play.
Whereas I'm walking around and there's Voto jerseys. You know,
there's people you know that watched me play just a
month ago in live. So I don't know why. It
just appealed to me. And just watching a game. I
got to sit with a couple of fans for a bit,
taking in taking the angle. It was just it was
(21:43):
a really charming experience for me. We're talking to Joey
Votto second consecutive year. He's the Reds nominee for Baseball's
prestigious Roberto Clemente Award. A couple of analysts at ESPN,
a couple of you know, very short baseball guys, said
that whatever judge Who's doing could be could be the
(22:03):
greatest baseball season of all time. What do you think.
I think it's a very fair statement. I do think,
without getting too deep into the weeds with the doping stretch,
I think that was a much different era. I also
think post integration, I think that matters. There's too many
big wins above replacement seasons, too much, too many extreme
(22:27):
seasons in the earlier part of the twentieth century. You know,
it's it's nice that you put up a twelve win
season or hit four hundred, but you did it against
a bunch of what you know, white players that you know,
weren't competing against the best of the world. Whereas you know,
the two American League candidates are a Japanese player and
(22:53):
a six foot nine, you know, black athlete in Aaron Judge.
And so to me, we have of the very best
version of the game right now with the best athletes
and Aaron Judges completely dominating us. Sixty home runs running
for the Triple Crown, fantastic defenders. He's the leader of
(23:16):
the Yankees, and just purely offensively, you know, measurably, he's
in that upper upper tier of offensive one year performances,
and I think it's very fair to say that he
is having the greatest offensive season of all time. David
(23:37):
Knon yesterday, former pitcher, works for the Yankees, and he
said that the baseballs are They're not lively anymore, so
are they I'm trying to understand if baseball once more
home runs because the analytics say, up there and swing
for home runs, that's what you do offensively, but baseball
(23:57):
bought rawlings, they bought the baseballs, and now are they
Are they less lively? Are they deadened like your assessment?
Well in in in game, yes they are there. They
don't fly as well. Um. You know, just just recently,
I was looking at the home run statistics and I
think the last five years or so, the average was
(24:18):
somewhere around one two one three home runs per game,
one point two one point three. Lots of um, lots
of big home run seasons over the last five six years,
since twenty fifteen. This year big dip. And I think
that is what makes Aaron's season to you know, call
(24:39):
back his season special. But the experience of being a
hitter now, when you strike a ball, kind of miss
strike a ball and it's getting caught at the wall,
that forces you as a hitter to adjust because we're
not going to just keep going out there and coming
up short. We're gonna lower our traject three to more
(25:01):
guarantee a hit a line drive, double or single. Maybe
we'll move closer to the corners either foul poll meaning
we'll try to pull the ball, but with the shorter
part of the field. So there's many different ways you
can go about it. Maybe more bunting, more hitting and run.
I think there's a chance that and another thing I
(25:21):
forgot to mention, more putting the ball in play. You
know you swing and take you take a big swing
attempting a home run, it comes with risk swing and
miss risk, Whereas if you attempt to control the barrel
and make contact in play, your home run likelihood goes down.
(25:41):
But singles doubles all the other options. But Judge is
hitting sixty home runs and baseball doesn't want you to
hit sixty home runs. That's incredible. He's having a special
season for a ready if he hit sixty two, who
is the Singles season all time home runs? Yeah? Um
(26:08):
so for me, Barry Bonds is my favorite hitter. Um,
but I can't ignore all the facts. Um, I will
say I will sound rooting hard for Aaron Judge to
hit as many home runs as possible. Dan, this is
the worst question to ask me right now, because I'm
(26:30):
still in uniform, and I think maybe post career I'll
be able to answer that question. But it's just too
just too difficult to answer. No, I get it, and
you're not retiring, by the way. Guess Joey Vato is
one of two active players with at least two thousand
hits thirteen hundred walks, and also second among all active
(26:52):
players um on base percentage. Do you know the only
other active player who has a better on base percentage
than you, Joe Evano Mike Trout. Yeah, yeah, just barely.
That's not bad. Anytime you're mentioned with Mike Trout, that's
pretty good. Yeah, it's good. And you thought he wasn't
(27:14):
a Hall of Famer last time, Well, it's not yet, yeah,
but it was not like it wasn't like, who's a
Hall of Famer right now? When we were talking about
hypothetical Hall of Famer. He's going to be a Hall
of Famer, But you didn't think that at the time.
You were having your doubts. When did I say I
had my doubts about Mike Trout being a Hall of Famer?
You know, last time I came on, you said, hey,
(27:36):
it's so good to have Joey for the first time.
I'd been on two times before Dan Patrick. And now
you're forgetting the Mike Trout conversation. Yeah, but those were
forgettable appearances, you're right, yeah, right, yeah, we forgot about those.
Those were good. Yeah, you're right. I'm on with Max
Kellerman next, so I'll be sure to forget that. I
(27:58):
like that. I like that, by the way. So there's
two active players with at least two thousand hits thirteen
hundred walks. The other one Albert Poohles. Oh yeah, big
year for Albert Pools. Wekay sixty two home runs per judge,
seven hundred home runs for Poohles. You get to pick
(28:20):
one more important this year? Well, this year it's the
home run record, but all time it's clearly Albert. I
mean there's four. He'll be the fourth with Willie Babe
and Barry excuse me, the fifth with Hank Aaron obviously.
But for me, for me, I'm in the I'm in
the National League Central and I played against Albert at
(28:43):
his best, and I you know, I watched him leave
and watched him come back. And the excitement, the support
the Cardinals fans give him, and also the full circle
nature of his experience in Saint Louis. I love it.
I'm so happy for him. I think that you did.
Going in the stands should be something that other players
(29:04):
do if you're on the d L. As long as
you can walk around and you not get injured and
you know, nobody's gonna patch you on the shoulder and
say hey, great job, great senior or anything like that.
What do you think other players, if you're on the DL,
that you have to have one night where you go
and visit the white Why you're cringing? Why? Well, no,
(29:26):
not have to? Well, no, we we would encourage you.
We're gonna call it doing a vado. I think that
it was something I was excited to do and I
felt a quipped to do. And um, we recently got
done with a collective bargaining agreement and we did not
negotiate that, so our players are union. Don't come on,
(29:50):
come on, we don't have to do any We'll call
it enough voto tiering, you know, instead of volunteering, it's
vado tiering. Hey I like that, Okay, I mean that's
off the cuff is what that was? I mean? Off?
Speed off speed off off the rotator, cuff off the
perfect Yeah. Um, they great to talk to you. Is
this the first time we've had Joey on? First time? Yeah? Man,
(30:12):
great appearance. Yeah. Are we even recording? Right? No? No, no, no,
this is live practice session live, This is live. You
were live goodness. Yes, I had some things that for
sure would have got me canceled had I said them.
Oh my goodness, Do you think I could get a
pitch by you right now? Yes? Okay, okay, I just
(30:34):
wanted to make sure I've got one arm. I got
one arm two? Was that a plan on words? I've
got one arm two? Uh? Well, good luck with Max Kellerman.
I'm sure it'll be as as fun as I'm not
going on with Max Colle. Oh, now you're refusing to
(30:56):
he by the way, what was the whole thing with him? Uh?
Saying Albert's thing was? Oh what was that all about? Well,
he said I want what he's having, insinuating that Albert
could be spiced up there a little bit there. It's
called the hot takes. If you ever get in the media,
(31:17):
don't fall prey to saying something just to get a
hot take, to get reaction or get likes. Just I
don't think that. I don't think that was a hot take.
I think he meant it. Meant it well, yeah I
do too, But yeah, do play you had to walk
it back? Yeah? Yeah, no, Albert, I don't know. I'm
not I'm not Albert, but watching him in Anaheim and
(31:40):
watching him now in Saint Louis, he's paced his schedule,
he doesn't play as much, he's massed up against left
hand I'll say this one more thing before I go.
Confidence in rhythm are like important for a hitter. And
in July he was hitting a buck nine. He would
no damage, no damage. I think sub four hundred slug
maybe even right around three. There's luck, not a strong stretch,
(32:02):
but there's something about when you time it's a good matchup,
and then you'd repeat it, and then you start believing
that that's a reality. And I think he did that
with left handed pitching for a bit, and then when
you hit this rhythm, all of a sudden, you can
start doing it taking chances, start doing it against different
(32:25):
because he started doing against right handed pitching, he start
doing it against both sides, taking chances, and I think
he just he's so strong naturally. So would you rather
witness seven hundred be at back game or sixty two
for judge? Yeah, probably seven hundred. Just because of my
relationship with the Cardinals fans, you know, my lawyer, accountant,
(32:46):
financial advisor all there. You know, they pour the wine
and we you know, chop up the Saint Louis Cardinals
fans are hard on me at times, you know they
Cardinals fans aren't hard on anybody. Joe Oh, they are sneaky, sneaky,
sneaky they are. Ye. Well, Uh, great to have you on.
(33:09):
Good luck with the recovery. I appreciate it. And uh,
I don't know. What do you think. Should we have
Joey on? Maybe again sometime tomorrow? Oh? Nice, I'll see
you guys next time for the first time. Okay, thank you, Joey.
That's Joey vanho fan. He should work for the league.
(33:30):
You should work for baseball or maybe you'll go into
the media. Yeah, Paul. The social media reaction from our
fans when we have this guy and it's really overwhelming.
People like, get this guy in a booth, get this
guy in the show. He's wonderful. To give him his
own show on MV network or whatever. Get him in
the league like an ambassador or baseball. I don't remember
having a question mark attention to Mike troutling into the
(33:51):
Hall of Fame saying there you were questioning whether Joey
was going to go to the not Trout. Yeah, I
don't think you said any round could go into the
Hall of Fame right now, No doubt he'd go into
the Hall of Fame right now. It's first eight years,
he would go into the Hall of Fame. All right.
When we come back, one of my favorite press conferences
(34:12):
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(36:21):
read this article, I don't read it. This was brought
to me by a mother of children. I think this
is worth reading. Let me tell you why. I'll talk
about this article. Three fourths of this is in accord stiction.
Here's all that kid did. He goes to class, he's
(36:42):
respectful to the media, he's respectful to the public, and
he's a good kid. And he's not a professional athlete,
and he doesn't deserve to be kicked when he's down.
That's why I don't read the newspaper because it's garbage.
And the editor that let it come out is guard
come after me. I'm a man, I'm forty, I'm not
(37:06):
a I'm not a kid. Write something about me or
our coaches. That's all I got to say. It makes
me want to puke. I like that he trashes the media,
and the media is they're applauding him, not our paper.
My favorite part of that press conference is mother of children.
(37:32):
I got this from a mother of children, of children, yeah,
as opposed to mother of some hens like the pair
of keets. What has it been fifteen years and we're
just hearing that part now I know I'm a man.
Uh and he's still there classic, I mean, I give
him credits still best Molae in case you won a
(37:59):
little bit more of the Fritzie Kevin Harland game. Fritzie
did this a couple of years ago, in fact, September,
almost almost two years to the day. What's today twenty
second second September twenty four, twenty twenty Fritzie and Kevin
Harlan and they took part in the Kevin Harlan Off.
(38:23):
Here's the sample. Jason Tatum from the corner. He buries
the three in the Celtics take a double digit lead.
Eric Spolster will gather the troops here and try to
stop the bleeding. We step away briefly. This is the
NBA on TNT all right contest at number two. All right,
Tatum from the quarry berries the three in the Celtics
take a double digit lead. Spuls will gather the troops
(38:45):
here and try to stop the bleeding. As we step away.
This is the NBA on t NT. Okay, I can't
tell the difference right now. Round two, the fall start
makes it third and eight now for the Seahawks, just
inside their own fifteen. Wilson, the snap drops back to throw,
complete the DK metcalf across the thirty and steps out
(39:08):
of bounds at the thirty four. It's the first down
for the Seahawks. Okay, contest at number two, the fall
start makes it a third and eight for Seattle, just
inside their own fifteen. Wilson back to past complete the
DK metcalf across the thirty out of bounce at the
first down for the Seahawks. And then I said to Fritzie,
(39:29):
I can't really tell the difference. And then Fritzie thought
I was being serious. I'm I did the first one. Yeah,
I did the first and third one. Kevin did the
second one. Yes. Point I kind of like Fritzie's better.
See he's a little better than Kevin Harland. Up beating
Kevin Harland just a little. I think the second call
you did better than Kevin. The first call you didn't.
(39:51):
I think it was a little more enthusiastic. I think
Kevin mailed in Kevin Harland. You can mail in your thing.
But you're really good right now, because if I say
do the NBA and you're gonna be more loose, you're
gonna be looser, You're gonna be more excited instead of
when you were reading something. So so if I just go,
all right, give me a Kevin Harlan, it'll be the
pacers in the Knicks thirty eight thirty eight with five
(40:13):
to twelve left in the second quarter and a fight
is broken out there. I don't know what's happening here.
Someone must have said something in the crowd and this
is getting ugly. Let's step away. This is the NBA
on First of all, they wouldn't step away if there
was yes, they would, but the commissioner doesn't like showing
the fight. Right this day in sports history, Paulie I
(40:34):
got to who that's one from years and years ago.
Nineteen twenty seven, in Chicago, Jeane Tunny successfully defended his
heavy boxing title against Jack Dempsey in the famous long
count fight. You can see that on YouTube. It's pretty cool. Oh.
Nineteen sixty nine, Willie Mays hit a six hundredth home run,
and in two thousand and six, Barry Bonds tied Hank
Aaron's nationally home run record when he hit his seven
hundred thirty third home run in two thousand and four.
(40:56):
On this day, Barry Bonds was walked intentionally four times
in a nine inning game. It tied a record set
by Barry Bonds earlier in the season. He had two
games where he's intentionally walked four times. Let's see anything
else in here on this state nineteen eighty five. I
(41:16):
actually had to cover this. Billy Morton broke his right
arm in a bar fight with Ed whitson his pitcher.
Let's see final results of the poll question Seaton O'Connor. Damn,
we got three of them working today. A couple of
must wins. Week three, must win for the Raiders, tonight
(41:36):
must win for the Browns. And people would prefer a
group of players by the sons of Mercury rather than
a billionaire business man. Did you see where the Mets
set a modern baseball record for batters hit by a pitch?
One hundred and six guys they hit or they're guys
that got hit. The Mets broke the record after New
(41:57):
York's one hundred and six hit by pitch of this season.
Um it still seems confusing, but the Mets were actually
the Scott hit because Buck Showalder asked for the ball
as a keepsake of his hitters being hit by pitch
one hundred and six times. I gotta saved this for
(42:20):
a motivation. Let's go around the room. What we learned
on this program? Todd will start with you. Lewis Riddick
thinks the Titans, especially without aj Brown, could quite possibly
be just an average team. Alrighty Seaton O'Connor junior, the
third Joey Votto claims we've had him on many times.
I didn't recognize him with the beard, Marv. We got
(42:41):
Todd Harland now, oh so Kevin, Kevin Harland's brother, Todd outstanding,
Thank you, Todd. H Paulie is great to finally have
Joey Votto on the show. Yeah, we've been trying a
long time, Todd. What did I learned? Ramona Shelbourne is
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
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