January 17, 2025 • 41 mins
NFL insider Mike Florio talks about AJ Brown and reading, plus what he's hearing about the NFL coaching search. Former Cowboys head coach joins Dan to discuss great Dallas teams of the past and the evolution of quarterback play in the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Final hour.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
In this Meet Friday, we'll talk to Mike Florio from
Pro Football Talk, also Jason Garrett Football Night in America
will stop by your phone. Calls are always welcome. Each
seven to seven three DP show it is to Meet Friday.
And in case you're wondering burgers and waffle fries, who
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Speaker 3 (00:23):
No?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
All right, seet and pull question for the final hour
of the program. And if you want to recap the
first two hours of the program, that'd be great. Yeah,
we got one up here.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Now, Polly sent over NFL quarterbacks get too much credit
or too much blame?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
That is a fifty one to forty nine split. Do
you want to guess.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Which one they get too much blame?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Fifty one percent have them getting too much blame? Yes,
too much blame. Does that mean that they those people
will simply they don't get enough credit? Is that the
flip side of that coin?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Or No?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I think so?
Speaker 5 (01:00):
I think so, yes, Paul, Based off this result, the
quarterbacks getting the exact amount of blame and credit.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
That's exactly what I was going to point out. Great
point by you, Paul. They get too much blame and
too much credit. And this bears that out. The poll
question for the final hour. Yeah, we just put that
one up about three minutes ago. Okay, yeah, and what
about the poll questions the previous hours? Anything to recap there?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yeah, okay, we have up there, Texans aside, if the
Lions reached the Super Bowl, who should they want to play?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Right now? They should want to play?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
At forty two point three percent of the vote, the
Chiefs at forty two point one percent is the Bills.
I'll tell you one thing. They don't want to play
the Ravens. I'll tell you apparently not.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Apparently not. But it's weird to say. Yeah, bring on,
Patrick Mahomes. I know it feels like they've been vulnerable
all season long, but they also win these games. Yeah,
they're close games. They win these games. The number, the
inordinate amount of games that are decided by seven points
or less, it's at an all time high this season.
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You've got the one guy, you got, the fixer, you
got the closer, you got Mariana Rivera enter Sandman, and
that's the difference in these games. It can be one
possession and oftentimes it is, and if I have the
ultimate one possession guy, I don't want to face him.
I want to see Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen do
it and keep doing it at you know, whether the
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pressure is really on them. We've seen the pressure on Mahomes.
He does really good when the pressure is on it.
So I understand where you'd say that it feels like
they're vulnerable, and they probably are, but Patrick Mahomes isn't vulnerable. Now.
I would worry about the offensive line, as we saw
when they played against Tampa a few years ago. When
Patrick Mahomes has an ordinary line, he's ordinary and Tampa
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treated him that way. It doesn't happen very often, but
it does feel like Kelsey is not Kelsey great Kelsey.
He's good Kelsey, but he's another one of those big
game game on the line. Six catches for ninety yards
in a touchdown just feels like you can pencil that
those kind of numbers in there, all right. Eight seven
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divisional round. It'll be the Rams going to Philly to
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(03:39):
for downloading the app, and we say good morning to
our radio affiliate's over four hundred around America. Mike Florio's book,
it's an ebook and it's now just ninety nine cents
on Amazon, Father of Mine, Son of Mine, and on
our way home, and I'm guessing AJ Brown on the sidelines.
(04:01):
That would be great product placement, Mike, if he's reading
your book on the sidelines. This weekend, We're.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Going to Philly and I'm taking it with me and
I'm gonna sneak over to the bench. I'm gonna skirt
past Big Dom. I've got Sims and Devin mccorty ready
to create a diversion, and I'm gonna put it in
the right spot and I'm hoping that we have that
same jarring moment that we had.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
And I was watching the live and I'm like, what
the hell He's got a book, and it was awesome.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
I always promote reading ninety nine cents. Can't find anything
cheaper than that. Can't get this for ninety nine only
the e book. You know, paper ain't free. But I
want to get this in aj Brown's hands, and I'm
taking it to Philly.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
It might get a little wet because it's going to
snow now, but that's okay.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
What are you being told weatherwise? I know Kansas City
will be cold. There's the chance for snow in Philadelphia,
maybe in Buffalo as well.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Well.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
The thing about weather forecasts, and I don't mean to
indict the entire industry, but it seems to me the
only weather they ever get right is yesterday's. But at
the same time, it's moving towards snow, and the temperature
is gonna peak at thirty six degrees.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
This is your weather on the ones here on the
Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
It's gonna peak at thirty six and it's gonna gradually drop
throughout the day. And then we have a nor'easter or
something that's going to cause four to five inches of snow.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Throughout the day.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
And it looks like the greatest chance of snow comes
right about the time we'll be freezing our asses off
on the sideline before the game and during the game.
And remember that twenty thirteen Lions Eagles game in Philly.
Matthew Stafford was the quarterback of the Lions. Then he's
been through it. The rest of the team has not been.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, And we were talking to David Carr and he said,
cold is what affects you. He said, you know, if
it snows, you're okay with that. Wind is that's the
big thing, if you know, if it's windy in these
conditions here. And I was just talking about I kind
of stumbled on this last hour where I said to
David Carr, it feels like the Lions have pressure on
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them than anybody else, including the team trying to threepete
in the Kansas City Chiefs. You're gonna lose your coordinators.
Probably you had your opportunity last year. These windows close
and it just feels like they have the spotlight on
them shining a little brighter than anybody else.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
Your thoughts, yo, when you talk about yourself as a
team of destiny, that just amps it up even more.
Now you're coming in as eight and a half point
favorites against a team that feels more If you watch
the outcomes of some of these Commander's games, it feels
like destiny is on their side, not your side. And
the challenge I think for Dan Campbell and the Lions
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because they've crafted this identity and being aggressive and going
for it, and that's who we are.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
You don't even wonder anymore when it's fourth and anything
less than five.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
But man, when you get into single elimination, you have
to wonder, are there moments where you should set aside
who you are and work the circumstances toward winning the game.
I go back to the NFC Championship. They're up seventeen
at the half, the forty nine Ers get a field
goal to cut.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
It to fourteen.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
On the first drive of the third quarter, they get
in position to put it back to a three score
game and really put the clamps on the forty nine ers,
But they went for it because that's what we always do,
and that's fine as long as it works. When it
doesn't work, it opened the door for the comeback and
they came back and they knocked out the lines. Will
Dan Campbell pivot from the nature of the team in
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the right moment to preserve a win? And when you're
talking about a team like the Commanders that thrives on
close games, it introduces even more risk if you are
caught in this idea of do we go for the
kill here or do we play it conservatively? And maybe
with the commanders you could make the argument it is
the smart thing to do to go for a knockout
whenever you can get one.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I'm talking to Mike Florio Pro Football Talk. You can
see that show preceding hours on Peacock. Why is the
coaching carousel slowed down.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
Because there's only two guys who were no brainers going
into it, Mike Vrabel and Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Now with Ben Johnson, the question.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
Is is there a spot where he is willing to
go and give up this opportunity to be part of
an emerging juggernaut in Detroit. And also, not every guy
wants to be the guy at the front of the room.
I've heard that Ben Johnson relishes his current role as
mad scientists, coming up with all these trick plays, running
the offense and not dealing with the pressure of being
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the head coach. Look at what Dan Campbell has to
deal with. I mean, he got docksed. They had people
show up at his house. When you're the offensive coordinator,
that doesn't happen when you're the head coach. That happens,
and alignment has been the word most associated with Ben Johnson.
He wants alignment with the front office. So you look
at some of these jobs where there's a GM that
maybe isn't going to be as aligned, and then you
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look at the Raiders where two days after they fired
the head coach, they cleared out the GM. The alignment
is more likely going to be in Vegas if he
chooses that job, And all indications when you talk to
people around the league are the Raiders really won question
is does he want to leave the Lions for anyone,
specifically a Raiders team that needs a lot of help
to become a contender.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, I wondered about this that does he stay. I
don't know how many assistant coaches, Mike and you probably
have a better handle on this. Coordinators who realize that
they aren't head coaches or that maybe they don't want
to be head coaches. And I'm just throwing that out there.
I don't have any numbers to back that up. It
feels like that's the natural progression. But yeah, as I've
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said many times, the audience is tired of hearing it.
Not every coordinator is meant to be a head coach.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
Well, the other thing too, Dan, When you're a coordinator
in the window opens for you to be a head coach,
some guys feel like they'd better jump through it now
because it might close by next year. Johnson has the confidence,
and it's backed up by having a great team on
the field that he's working with that the window is
going to stay open, so I don't have to go
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this year.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
He didn't go last year. You'll wait for the right spot.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
The problem is these jobs rarely come open because the
team looking for a coach is a properly functioning NFL franchise.
Every team, unless you have a retirement when the guy
walks away and the team's on top, every team that's
looking for a coach is a bad team that is
trying to find a way to get better. So you
go into a dysfunctional situation. Two or three years later,
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you get fired, you have that scarlet letter on your
coaching resume, and then.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
You go back to being a coordinator.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
I think Johnson understands that and it makes him reluctant
to just take whatever comes along. There's a lot of
factors that go into it, but number one is alignment,
and if he doesn't have the alignment. He's not leaving,
and I think this year, when you look at the
jobs out there, you look at the teams that have
interviewed him, like the Jets are at least sufficiently self
aware to not even bother to try to interview Ben Johnson, right,
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So I give them credit there.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
They know what they are.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
But I think it's the Raiders or Lions take that
Raider's job or stay put for Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Favorite player, Aaron Rodgers. Not sure if he's going to
play again next year, but I saw where the Vegas
odds the favorites the Vegas football team. Your thoughts on
Tom Brady bringing in Aaron Rodgers for a year, Well, it.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
Makes sense depending upon who they ultimately hire as GM
and head coach. I think he's not going to be
back with the Jets. I think he wants the Jets
to be the ones to end it.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
But I don't think he.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
Wants to go back to the Jets after the last
two years. When you consider your ultimate football legacy, nothing's
going to take away what he did in Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
But I think any.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Competitor wants the last memory of you to be something
other than what it's been with the Jets the last
two years, and for him, where's my spot where I
can do what I thought I was going to do
with the Jets? And I don't know that the Raiders
are in. When you're looking at the Chiefs and here
are the Broncos who are ready to make a push,
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and the Chargers with Jim Harbaugh, it's going to be
very difficult for the Raiders as long as there is
that division competing with those three teams. So that would
be the one downside if you're Rogers. Yeah, hey, it
makes sense. I know, Brady, Hey, they need a quarterback,
you know, Las Vegas whatever, proximity to where he lives
in the offseason. But is it really a spot where
you're gonna have a chance to compete for a postseason
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berth and ultimately a championship.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
How real is the Deonda Dallas story in your opinion?
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Well, I think it was a master stroke of publicity
and attention. They drop it that Deonna talked to Jerry
Jones during the Rams Vikings playoffs game. They know what
they're doing and there's a lot of that Carnival Barker
and Jerry Jones. But I just don't see it happening
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under the current circumstances. And now Deon's a guy who
said a year ago he'd never coached in the NFL.
Then he says, I'd only coach my sons. Well, Shadur's
not going to be the quarterback of the Cowboys next year.
He may not be the quarterback of the Cowboys for
a long time to come because of Dak Prescott's contract.
So I don't see it making sense. But how many
things do the Cowboys do that make sense? And at
the end of the day, who are they going to hire?
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And here's the problem with doing the Hey we're gonna
talk to dian and Hey we're going to talk to
this guy, and hey we're gonna talk about Bill Belichick,
and our new coach is Kellen Moore. It's kind of
a letdown, all due respect to Kevin Moore at the
end of Kellen Moore at the end of the day,
if that's where it goes. But I think a lot
of people are thinking it's going to be Kellen Moore
when it's.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
All said and done.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
With this weird possibility that Jason Witten could make the
jump from high school football coach to Cowboys coach, because
there are people who think one of these days is
going to be the head coach of the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
It just might not be now.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, but he made that jump to broadcasting and that
didn't go well for Jason Witten. I would think it
would be a tough a tougher jump from high school
football to coaching the Cowboys. See, Oh my god, you're right.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Here, right Dan, It's not real. I mean, is it
really a coveted job? Is it really?
Speaker 6 (13:53):
When you go to Dallas, you have to accept the
fact that Jerry's the one who's shopping for the groceries,
that Jerry's going to do two radio spots that are
going to make headlines during the season, that he's going
to do a postgame media scrum that's going to outshine
your postgame press conference.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
You've got to be ready to deal with that if
you're a head.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Coach, and a lot of these guys who want to
be the head coach don't want Jerry Jones to be
the face and voice of the team.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Well, I don't think being the coach of the Cowboys
means as much as it once did thirty years ago.
I still think being the quarterback of the Cowboys still
means an awful lot. But that's the problem I have
with this job. No matter who takes the job, you've
got a thirty two year old, injury prone, immobile quarterback
who's making who's owed over two hundred and thirty million
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dollars guaranteed. That's not something I want to walk into.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Cowboys have done a great job drafting and developing. They
have made numerous mistakes figuring out what to do with
their young players when it's time to pay them. They've
paid the wrong guys like Michael Gallup. They've not paid
or waited too long to pay the right guys, which
paints them into a corner. They did that twice with
Dak Prescott. They did that Dak Prescott current contract sixty
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million a year with all that guaranteed money, on the
morning of the regular season opener, because they knew, we
need to do this or he's going to.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Walk away as a free agent.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
And in hindsight, plenty of Cowboys fans would say we
should have let him play it out and start from
scratch at the quarterback position. But they have just mishandled
the negotiations. They wait too long, They lobe all the players,
and then they come around and cry, uncle, it's just
not a good way to build a sustainable, successful franchise.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Let me look at a couple of resumes here before
I let you go. If I said Sean Payton, Mike Tomlin,
Mike McCarthy, who are Hall of famers right now?
Speaker 6 (15:41):
And I saw a tweet earlier in the week from
the guy at ESPN who goes by HIMBO that McCarthy
needs a better publicist because McCarthy has a better track
record than Peyton and Tomlin when you look at some
of the big picture things, I think that Tomlin right now,
given the eighteen years in Pittsburgh, given that it's the Steelers,
two super Bowl pace pearances, consistent contender, never had a
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losing season, I think Tomlin is the guy who walks
right in. But you know Peyton and MacArthur are going
to have strong cases. But then there's a logjam. There's
plenty of coaches who deserve to be in who haven't
gotten in, and they always change the rules a little bit,
and you never quite know what the standard is, or
what the process is, or whether coaches are competing with
other players are competing with owners or they have their
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own lane. It's hard for guys who deserve to be
in to get in, like a Mike Holmgren and a
Mike Shanahan. So the coaches of today are going to
be caught behind that.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
But I think Tomlin is the one.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Eighteen years, no losing seasons, two Super Bowl appearances, playoff appearances.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
I think Tomlin is the one of the three that's
the most likely to get in.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Safe travels to Philadelphia. Play nice there, Mike, Well.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
I'm not the one that needs to be told to
play nice. I gotta worry about the fans. Rodney Harrison's
gonna throw snowballs at me. It's going to be a
challenging day.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
I might wear a helmet.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
He's Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk Live co host and
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just ninety nine cents on Amazon, Father Mind, Son of Mine,
and on our way home, We'll take a break. Jason
Garrett said to join us next year on the Dan
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this summer was a busy guy. He was working with
NFL Films and in May he was with Troy Aikman
and Dak Prescott. He then traveled to San Diego he
was with Drew Brees, North Turner, and then the legendary
quarterback coach Tom House. Went to Phoenix he worked with
Kurt Warner. He also was therefore Aaron Rodgers and in
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Buffalo with Josh aut So what was he doing with
all of these great offensive minds, all of these quarterbacks
and what he did is available on YouTube. Jason joins us, Now,
so give us this synopsis of what you were trying
to accomplish or did accomplish with your summer project here. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (19:28):
You know, a couple of years ago, I was up
in training camp visiting the Packers and Matt Lafour was great.
I spent the whole day with him, a setn meetings,
and at the end of the day we're finishing out
the quarterback meeting. And you know, I used to always
tell our players in Dallas that if you get a
chance to be around greatness, don't ask guys about their
house or their car or their boat, right ask him
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about why they're great. And so I'm sitting next to
Aaron Rodgers and I said, I'm going to take my
own advice here. And I just turned to him and said, hey,
just before I leave, just give me one thought. I'm
throwing one of the best throwers of his generation, one
of the best of all time. And I've known him
for a long time. My first year coaching was in
Miami for Nick Saban and it was two thousand and five,
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the year that Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers were coming out.
We had the second pick in the draft, so spent
a lot of time with him then and coached him
in the Pro Bowl and competed against him. And he's
always been very generous with me, and so he jumps
up out of the seat and he says, all I
think about when I throw is getting the way to
the inside of my left ankle, the inside of my
left half, and the inside of my left knee. And
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I'm like, like, what are you talking about. I've never
heard anybody talk about that, And so it struck me.
I'm flying home that night and I had a throwing
sequence of Joe Namath on my wall when I was
growing up. It was eight throws from his book The
Classic A Matter of Style. I don't know if you
remember that, but it was just incredible, and so I
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had this image of name it in my mind. But
bu buh buh buh buh buh buck talking about throwing.
That's that's how I envisioned the perfect throwing motion. And
here's Aaron Rodgers fifty years later talking about the inside
of his left ankle, like what are we talking about here?
So what it struck me that the best thrower then
throw it one way. The best thrower now throws it
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another way, and the evolution of the throwing motion it's different.
And so I asked a few people about it, and
they kind of agreed with me, and I said, I
want to talk to the principal guys. I want to
talk to the guys who are actually throwing the ball.
And so I got with Troy and Dak and then
they kind of grew to a chance to talk to
Drew Brees and Tom House and Norv and everybody from there,
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and eventually would talk to Aaron and Josh Allen. And
what we found out is it has evolved that the
great throwers back then could really throw the ball. You
go back and look at the tape of Joe Namath
and Terry Bradshaw and those guys. They could throw the
heck out of the ball, Marino, Elway, Aikman, all these guys,
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but they do it differently than the guys are throwing
it today. And so we just did an examination of it.
We did it with NFL films, and NFL films, as
we all know, is one of the great entities of
all times. So it was a really fun project to do.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
But also this is the evolution of the golf swing.
They're hitting it further, they're using the ground getting kind
of leveraged with that. With baseball, we're seeing pictures throw,
you know, more pictures throwing faster than ever can can.
Are these quarterbacks throwing the ball faster like that is
that important? Or is it the quickness of the release
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that's more important.
Speaker 9 (22:36):
Well, one thing that you know part of this project
is we're going to try to go deeper on this.
It was a twenty two minute segment NFL Films Presents,
and one of my pangs when we finished it was
we probably use less than one percent of the content
for each of the guys. Troy Aikman talked about it
for over an hour, Drew Brees hour and a half.
I mean, we had so much great stuff and you
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have to try to fit it in into this little window.
So I think you can go a lot deeper on
all this. And one of the great takeaways is all
these rotational athletes do things with the same principles of physics.
And you said it, it's ground force, it's rotation, it's lag.
You know this concept of lag where you're opening your
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hips and you're keeping your upper body closed and you're
kind of cork screwing and then it all whipping together.
That's not something we talked a ton about when I
was growing up throwing a football. It was more about showld,
the rotation, it's all coming together, and so I think
these guys are more into that. And a big part
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of this is the game has changed. When you think
about name It, we go back and we see these
pictures of name It. He's literally taking a thirteen step drop,
He's fifteen yards behind the line of scrimmage, rifling these
balls down the field. And you know, some people say
name when I completed fifty percent of his pass as
he threw more interception than touchdowns. Well, the game was
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completely different back then. Bubble screens and rocket screens and
get it out of your hand and all that kind
of stuff. That's not what the game was. So these
guys were bigger, stronger, like rifling it down the field.
Now it's more like shortstop the second base. We're getting
the ball out of our hand a lot. So how
do you generate hower with using ground force and rotation
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and have these quicker, little Derek Jeter type throws in
the middle of the infield. I think the game has
become a lot of that, and these guys are awfully
good at it.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah, it's available on YouTube. It's nerdtastic, Like you'll nerd
out if you're into this stuff and Jason sent it
to me, and I'm like, this is great. You did
a great job. Jason will be in Philadelphia. It's the
Rams and the Eagles coming up on Sunday. There's always
a surprise divisional round weekend. Give me this surprise.
Speaker 9 (24:59):
I don't think there's a prize this weekend. I really don't.
I think Kansas City wins as great as Houston was
last week. You know, we had the show on Sunday
night and we had these gigantic pictures of Andy Reid,
Patrick Mahomes, and Travis Kelsey behind us, and I just
turned around and said, first ballot, first ballot, first ballot,
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and they're playing at home. I think it's hard for Houston,
as great as they played last week, to go up
there and beat them, I really do. I think it'll
be hard for Washington to go into Detroit to win
as great as Jayden Daniels was last week. I think
it's gonna be hard for the Rams to go to
Philly and win. And then the one that I think
everybody's waiting for is Josh against Lamar, and I think
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that's a pick him anyway. So I don't see any
big surprises. I think we's have four great games.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
You got to take Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
How you taking?
Speaker 9 (25:55):
Every time I'm on this show, you're asking me these
kinds of questions. Uh, gun to my head, I'd take
Josh Allen, but I think Lamar Jackson's one of the
most amazing players I've ever seen in my life, so
it's hard for me to argue against him. Two time MVP,
(26:17):
he'll probably be a third MVP, and he's revolutionized the
quarterback position.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
But well, I thought Josh Allen was the MVP this year,
even Lamar had the stats. Last year, Josh had the stats,
didn't win. So I like, it's a fluid philosophy or
criteria for voting for MVP, and I think that's where
I go. Okay, I didn't expect Buffalo to be this good. Now,
(26:48):
granted they were in a bad division, but I looked
at them as an underdog, and I thought I'd actually
seen Josh Allen become a great quarterback this year where
he didn't force it. He didn't put on the Superman
cape as much as he likes to, and it felt
like that was a true team effort. So MVP for
a team, I would give it to him. I thought
(27:10):
Derrick Henry is a great security blanket. Now, I did
have somebody, a coach who said the following. You keep
talking about how you know Derrick Henry helped Lamar Jackson.
Did you ever think Lamar Jackson helped out Derrick Henry
as well? Because what he was in Tennessee, anybody could
have had him. Nobody wanted him. They take him and
(27:30):
he rushes for nearly two thousand yards. So a long
winded way of saying, I would take Josh. There's no
wrong answer in this.
Speaker 9 (27:38):
Yeah. The trickiest thing for me is I was fortunate
to be on those great teams with the Cowboys in
the nineties, and one of the things I learned was
everyone benefited from each other. Troy Aikman made Emmitt Smith better.
Emma Smith made Troy Aikman better. Emmitt Smith made the
receivers better. The line made Emmitt better. Emmitt made the
line better. They made the defense better, you know. And
(28:01):
so that's that's when when you're a great team, that's
what happens. And sometimes you say each of the guys,
their candidacy for something like MVP gets diminished. Because hey,
he's got Derrick Henry well, yeah, you know, and and
fair or unfair, but that's what teams are. You know,
Magic and Kareem played together. You know, Burd McHale played together.
(28:24):
I mean, Jordan and Pippin played together. I mean, if
you want to be a great championship team, you have
to have good players around you. And so I don't
think we should diminish Lamar, but it certainly is an
advantage for Lamar to have Big twenty two behind him.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Jason Garrett, NBC Football Night in America, former Cowboys head coach,
what advice would you give Dion Sanders about taking the
Cowboys job if offered.
Speaker 9 (28:50):
If he wants to do it, he should take it.
He's done an amazing job at Colorado. I think he's
changing college football in some ways and he's impacting a
ton of lives. But if he feels compelled to dive
into it, dive into it. He and Jerry have a
long relationship and.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
They need to know though, Jason, about Jerry the owner,
don the coach, that's different than that owner and that player.
So this is different. This is day to day, week
to week, game to game, and that's a whole different game.
Speaker 9 (29:24):
No doubt. But I bring that up just because that
relationship matters. I think Dion knows Jerry. Jerry knows Dion,
and I think they can have the kind of conversations
you need to have between owner slash general manager and
head coach. You got to be able to be honest
and to direct with each other. And when you're the
head coach in that situation, sometimes things don't go your way.
(29:47):
Sometimes you want to do something u and the owner
in general manager wants to do something else. And that's
part of the deal. Everybody's got a boss, right, So
I do think they can be honest with each other.
I don't think they'll be walking on it bashells around
each other. I think they value their relationship and I
think they can be direct with each other. I think
(30:07):
that benefits that situation. So my encouragement to him would be,
tell Jerry what you think it might not go your way,
tell him what you think he needs to know. What
you think about this player, this coach, this philosophy, what
we're doing on offense defense, And then if it becomes
something where you have to get into it you have
a disagreement, hopefully you can rely on that relationship. You've
(30:29):
had to work your way through it, and I think
that's an important thing.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Just feels like they're two CEOs though, Jason.
Speaker 9 (30:39):
Well, if you think about what the what the position
of head coach is, there's a lot of great coordinators
on offense and defense who go become head coaches and
they're not real good at it because maybe they don't
fully understand that being a head coach is a leadership
position first and foremost, and there has to be layers
of leadership in an organization. It's multi tiered leadership, and
(31:03):
so it's owner and general manager, but then it's head coach,
and then it's coordinators, it's quarterback, all of that. So
I don't know that because both of them have leadership
CEO type skills, I don't know that it has to
be combative. It can be layered, and I think that's
an important piece of this. Hopefully they don't step over
each other, and hopefully the big CEO gives the next
(31:26):
CEO a chance to put his imprint on the team,
because I think that's an important part of it.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
But what was it like when Jerry's holding his own
press conference?
Speaker 9 (31:37):
Sometimes it could be challenging because, as you know, media people.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
It's a fun word there, challenging.
Speaker 9 (31:46):
Media people love to find the wedge and so sometimes,
you know, Jerry would say something and I think the
people who were covering our team knew that probably that
wasn't something that I agreed with, and they say, hey,
Jerry said this, what do you think about that? So
you had to deal with that. But you know, it
comes with the dinner. As Troy used to say, you
(32:07):
just figure it out and you can't let you can't
let those things detract from what you're trying to build.
Sometimes you'd wish they weren't there, you didn't have to
deal with those distractions. There's a lot of attention on
that team anyway, so why we you know, and fuel
to the fire. But you know, again, it's part of
(32:28):
it and you'll work your way through it.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I asked Tim Callishaw. If I said to Jerry Jones,
you can't hold can't have a radio show, can't do
any interviews for the next five years, but you're I'm
going to guarantee you as Super Bowl, would Jerry be
able to go without being interviewed do his radio shows?
If I said you're going to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 9 (32:54):
Again. I just don't think I just don't think he
wants to give that up. Asked me the other day,
you know, do you go in there and do you
try to do you try to change Jared Jones. I said,
he's eighty two years old. You're not changing him. This
is what he wants to do. He took a lot
of risk in his life. He made a lot of money.
(33:14):
He'll tell you the story about how he bought the
Dallas Cowboys, a risky endeavor and with that risk comes
a lot of reward and a lot of freedom. And
part of it is he feels like he wants to
be the lead voice of the organization. And I don't
see him giving that up anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
That's for sure. You'll find Jason Garrett this video. I
don't even know how to describe it, but it's on YouTube.
And if you love sort of the evolution of the
quarterback and throwing and hearing from all these Hall of famers,
it's really great. It's nerdtastic, as I've come up with
that word. And Jason will be on the road. It'll
(33:52):
be Football Night in America in the afternoon on Sunday.
They started two o'clock with the Rams and the Eagles
save travels. Thanks for joining us, Yeah, thanks, Dan.
Speaker 9 (34:01):
Always enjoy it that.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Jason Garrett, there's always one of those questions. I have
to ask Jason where he goes. You always do this
to me every time I come on. Yep, And if
I was on Football Night in America still I would
do that too. For a national TV audience, yes, Paul.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
But so many people speculate on coaching the Cowboys and
what it's like day to day. This guy for a
long time, did it. I mean it's I can't imagine
the juggle of when you go to the podium and
the owner. It's just spoken.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
You don't know what he says, like, wait a minute,
what does he do? All Right? When we come back,
if you're watching on Peacock Burgers and Waffle Fries, we
will close up shop. This day in sports history, last
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Speaker 1 (34:48):
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Speaker 2 (34:57):
Get your voice ready, Marvin, here we go.
Speaker 10 (35:02):
Ever since I was a tiny bar, no one, no condy,
I don't mean it's us.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah two three four uh. The man named after Marvin Gay.
Thank you for the accompaniment there, Marvin. All right, last
call for phone calls. What we learn, what's in store?
On Monday, Hall of Famer Steve Young will be back
to dissect everything that happened over the weekend. Eight seven
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good breaking news. You ready Yes.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
For the first time in almost two years, Dick Vitel
will return on air at ESPN for the Duke Wake
Forest game tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Awesome, awesome baby, awesome baby.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
That's awesome baby.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Thank you, Todd, thank you. That's great. That's great. Been
a long, long, long haul here for Dicky V. But
this is what he lives for.
Speaker 8 (36:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
We talk about coaches who want to coach until they die.
Dicky V wants to broadcast until he dies. That's what
he does. He loves basketball, He loves the environment, the students,
the coaches, everything about that. He is college basketball and
has been for close to forty years. Yes, Marvin, who's the.
Speaker 10 (36:30):
Dick Vitell of other sports where they're so passionate about
a sport you could just see oozes out of them.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Well you don't, I mean, Dicky V's unique, don't. I
don't know if there is. John Madden was kind of that.
But but you know, John was a really successful coach.
Dicky V was not a successful coach, and he coached
a little bit in the NBA and then in college
as well.
Speaker 10 (36:59):
Yes, Mart, well maybe not in terms of enthusiasm, but
the way they spoke about the game, even if they
were even kill emotionally, you could tell this do list
for this game.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
I once again, I don't know if there's anybody that
passionate about their sport than Dickie V. But but Dicky
V got to broadcast like he was different than anybody else.
He did it in a way that was different than
anybody else. And I don't know nobody's going to try
to emulate that. I mean, you'd be crazy to go
I'm going to be the Dicky V of NFL or
(37:34):
college football. That just that that would be almost impossible.
By the way, I got a random stat of Rando here,
most fifty point games allowed since the start of the
twenty twenty season in the NBA, You guys want to
guess the team that has allowed the most fifty point
(37:56):
games since twenty nineteen twenty one.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Yes, Pauly, it feels wizard ise, you know, a little wizard.
It is the Wizards of Waverley the job. Yeah, they
have allowed ten fifty point scores over that period. The
Pacers are next, Hawks and Spurs after that. And in
case you're wondering, ooh boy, let me see, is there
(38:25):
one in here?
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Now? These are all pretty good names there that scored
fifty against the Wizards. Let's see the Pacers. I'm trying
to think if there's any, um, well, here's one. The Hawks.
Steph Curry did it twice, Luca did it once, Kevin Durant,
Zach Levine, Klay Thompson. And who is the other player
(38:49):
to get at least fifty against the Hawks over this
time frame. I don't even what team he plays on.
I don't even know if I pronounced his first name correct.
Mala Malachi Flynn.
Speaker 11 (39:06):
Yeah, he didn't know that, Malauchey Flynn. Yeah, I don't
know why. That kind of caught my eye here and
just random, Andy, and Rhode Island is back.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Hi, Andy, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 9 (39:30):
Kay?
Speaker 12 (39:31):
Damn woman's cross wap?
Speaker 7 (39:33):
Oh hello.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Andy?
Speaker 12 (39:38):
Oh sorry, guys, guys, I'm crossing the streets.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Somebody just flew past his cross wap.
Speaker 12 (39:43):
I'm sorry, So let me get this together.
Speaker 9 (39:47):
Guys.
Speaker 12 (39:47):
I was thinking, you guys have a most valuable Dannette,
you have a least valuable Dannet. But what happened to
the most underrated Dannet?
Speaker 5 (39:55):
Dan?
Speaker 12 (39:56):
You know, I've been thinking really hard about it, and
you know, I feel that there would be some good
contended for it. And also, what would the optics be
on Princey if he showed up having a rough day
and he just started reading a book in the middle
of the show, what would office.
Speaker 9 (40:09):
Be on that?
Speaker 11 (40:10):
Well?
Speaker 2 (40:10):
No, that Aj Brown had a good game, so it
wasn't like if Fritzy showed up and was having a
great show, then you know he would be he could
he could be reading a book.
Speaker 10 (40:22):
Yeah, I just don't pay attention sometimes I'm not reading
a book. Eleven, Yes, Mark, get out of my head.
The irony is what number does Aj Brown wear?
Speaker 6 (40:31):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Eleven full circle. This day in sports history, Paul just one.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
Nineteen sixty three, Wilt Chamberlain of the San Francisco Warriors
score sixty seven points against the LA Lakers.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Nineteen fifty one, two Manhattan College basketball players three book
makers arrested for conspiring to fix basketball games. Ultimately saw
thirty two players from seven different schools arrested for point shaving.
Of course, that couldn't happen nowadays, could it. Let's see, Todd,
would you learn today? Shake Gilders Alexander is a nickname.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
SGA is simply his initials because it's too hard to
say his full name.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Seet no counter SGA.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
Nicknames are pretty tricky to come by.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah, Todd came up with the kids. I like it.
Marvin Lawyer is going to wear a helmet in Philly.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
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You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Final hour.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
In this Meet Friday, we'll talk to Mike Florio from
Pro Football Talk, also Jason Garrett Football Night in America
will stop by your phone. Calls are always welcome. Each
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And in case you're wondering burgers and waffle fries, who
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Speaker 3 (00:23):
No?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
All right, seet and pull question for the final hour
of the program. And if you want to recap the
first two hours of the program, that'd be great. Yeah,
we got one up here.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Now, Polly sent over NFL quarterbacks get too much credit
or too much blame?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
That is a fifty one to forty nine split. Do
you want to guess.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Which one they get too much blame?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Fifty one percent have them getting too much blame? Yes,
too much blame. Does that mean that they those people
will simply they don't get enough credit? Is that the
flip side of that coin?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Or No?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I think so?
Speaker 5 (01:00):
I think so, yes, Paul, Based off this result, the
quarterbacks getting the exact amount of blame and credit.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
That's exactly what I was going to point out. Great
point by you, Paul. They get too much blame and
too much credit. And this bears that out. The poll
question for the final hour. Yeah, we just put that
one up about three minutes ago. Okay, yeah, and what
about the poll questions the previous hours? Anything to recap there?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yeah, okay, we have up there, Texans aside, if the
Lions reached the Super Bowl, who should they want to play?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Right now? They should want to play?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
At forty two point three percent of the vote, the
Chiefs at forty two point one percent is the Bills.
I'll tell you one thing. They don't want to play
the Ravens. I'll tell you apparently not.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Apparently not. But it's weird to say. Yeah, bring on,
Patrick Mahomes. I know it feels like they've been vulnerable
all season long, but they also win these games. Yeah,
they're close games. They win these games. The number, the
inordinate amount of games that are decided by seven points
or less, it's at an all time high this season.
(02:09):
You've got the one guy, you got, the fixer, you
got the closer, you got Mariana Rivera enter Sandman, and
that's the difference in these games. It can be one
possession and oftentimes it is, and if I have the
ultimate one possession guy, I don't want to face him.
I want to see Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen do
it and keep doing it at you know, whether the
(02:33):
pressure is really on them. We've seen the pressure on Mahomes.
He does really good when the pressure is on it.
So I understand where you'd say that it feels like
they're vulnerable, and they probably are, but Patrick Mahomes isn't vulnerable. Now.
I would worry about the offensive line, as we saw
when they played against Tampa a few years ago. When
Patrick Mahomes has an ordinary line, he's ordinary and Tampa
(02:57):
treated him that way. It doesn't happen very often, but
it does feel like Kelsey is not Kelsey great Kelsey.
He's good Kelsey, but he's another one of those big
game game on the line. Six catches for ninety yards
in a touchdown just feels like you can pencil that
those kind of numbers in there, all right. Eight seven
(03:18):
to seven three DP show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com,
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divisional round. It'll be the Rams going to Philly to
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(03:39):
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it's an ebook and it's now just ninety nine cents
on Amazon, Father of Mine, Son of Mine, and on
our way home, and I'm guessing AJ Brown on the sidelines.
(04:01):
That would be great product placement, Mike, if he's reading
your book on the sidelines. This weekend, We're.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Going to Philly and I'm taking it with me and
I'm gonna sneak over to the bench. I'm gonna skirt
past Big Dom. I've got Sims and Devin mccorty ready
to create a diversion, and I'm gonna put it in
the right spot and I'm hoping that we have that
same jarring moment that we had.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
And I was watching the live and I'm like, what
the hell He's got a book, and it was awesome.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
I always promote reading ninety nine cents. Can't find anything
cheaper than that. Can't get this for ninety nine only
the e book. You know, paper ain't free. But I
want to get this in aj Brown's hands, and I'm
taking it to Philly.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
It might get a little wet because it's going to
snow now, but that's okay.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
What are you being told weatherwise? I know Kansas City
will be cold. There's the chance for snow in Philadelphia,
maybe in Buffalo as well.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Well.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
The thing about weather forecasts, and I don't mean to
indict the entire industry, but it seems to me the
only weather they ever get right is yesterday's. But at
the same time, it's moving towards snow, and the temperature
is gonna peak at thirty six degrees.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
This is your weather on the ones here on the
Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
It's gonna peak at thirty six and it's gonna gradually drop
throughout the day. And then we have a nor'easter or
something that's going to cause four to five inches of snow.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Throughout the day.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
And it looks like the greatest chance of snow comes
right about the time we'll be freezing our asses off
on the sideline before the game and during the game.
And remember that twenty thirteen Lions Eagles game in Philly.
Matthew Stafford was the quarterback of the Lions. Then he's
been through it. The rest of the team has not been.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, And we were talking to David Carr and he said,
cold is what affects you. He said, you know, if
it snows, you're okay with that. Wind is that's the
big thing, if you know, if it's windy in these
conditions here. And I was just talking about I kind
of stumbled on this last hour where I said to
David Carr, it feels like the Lions have pressure on
(06:00):
them than anybody else, including the team trying to threepete
in the Kansas City Chiefs. You're gonna lose your coordinators.
Probably you had your opportunity last year. These windows close
and it just feels like they have the spotlight on
them shining a little brighter than anybody else.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
Your thoughts, yo, when you talk about yourself as a
team of destiny, that just amps it up even more.
Now you're coming in as eight and a half point
favorites against a team that feels more If you watch
the outcomes of some of these Commander's games, it feels
like destiny is on their side, not your side. And
the challenge I think for Dan Campbell and the Lions
(06:38):
because they've crafted this identity and being aggressive and going
for it, and that's who we are.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
You don't even wonder anymore when it's fourth and anything
less than five.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
But man, when you get into single elimination, you have
to wonder, are there moments where you should set aside
who you are and work the circumstances toward winning the game.
I go back to the NFC Championship. They're up seventeen
at the half, the forty nine Ers get a field
goal to cut.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
It to fourteen.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
On the first drive of the third quarter, they get
in position to put it back to a three score
game and really put the clamps on the forty nine ers,
But they went for it because that's what we always do,
and that's fine as long as it works. When it
doesn't work, it opened the door for the comeback and
they came back and they knocked out the lines. Will
Dan Campbell pivot from the nature of the team in
(07:28):
the right moment to preserve a win? And when you're
talking about a team like the Commanders that thrives on
close games, it introduces even more risk if you are
caught in this idea of do we go for the
kill here or do we play it conservatively? And maybe
with the commanders you could make the argument it is
the smart thing to do to go for a knockout
whenever you can get one.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I'm talking to Mike Florio Pro Football Talk. You can
see that show preceding hours on Peacock. Why is the
coaching carousel slowed down.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
Because there's only two guys who were no brainers going
into it, Mike Vrabel and Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Now with Ben Johnson, the question.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
Is is there a spot where he is willing to
go and give up this opportunity to be part of
an emerging juggernaut in Detroit. And also, not every guy
wants to be the guy at the front of the room.
I've heard that Ben Johnson relishes his current role as
mad scientists, coming up with all these trick plays, running
the offense and not dealing with the pressure of being
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the head coach. Look at what Dan Campbell has to
deal with. I mean, he got docksed. They had people
show up at his house. When you're the offensive coordinator,
that doesn't happen when you're the head coach. That happens,
and alignment has been the word most associated with Ben Johnson.
He wants alignment with the front office. So you look
at some of these jobs where there's a GM that
maybe isn't going to be as aligned, and then you
(08:46):
look at the Raiders where two days after they fired
the head coach, they cleared out the GM. The alignment
is more likely going to be in Vegas if he
chooses that job, And all indications when you talk to
people around the league are the Raiders really won question
is does he want to leave the Lions for anyone,
specifically a Raiders team that needs a lot of help
to become a contender.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, I wondered about this that does he stay. I
don't know how many assistant coaches, Mike and you probably
have a better handle on this. Coordinators who realize that
they aren't head coaches or that maybe they don't want
to be head coaches. And I'm just throwing that out there.
I don't have any numbers to back that up. It
feels like that's the natural progression. But yeah, as I've
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said many times, the audience is tired of hearing it.
Not every coordinator is meant to be a head coach.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
Well, the other thing too, Dan, When you're a coordinator
in the window opens for you to be a head coach,
some guys feel like they'd better jump through it now
because it might close by next year. Johnson has the confidence,
and it's backed up by having a great team on
the field that he's working with that the window is
going to stay open, so I don't have to go
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this year.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
He didn't go last year. You'll wait for the right spot.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
The problem is these jobs rarely come open because the
team looking for a coach is a properly functioning NFL franchise.
Every team, unless you have a retirement when the guy
walks away and the team's on top, every team that's
looking for a coach is a bad team that is
trying to find a way to get better. So you
go into a dysfunctional situation. Two or three years later,
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you get fired, you have that scarlet letter on your
coaching resume, and then.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
You go back to being a coordinator.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
I think Johnson understands that and it makes him reluctant
to just take whatever comes along. There's a lot of
factors that go into it, but number one is alignment,
and if he doesn't have the alignment. He's not leaving,
and I think this year, when you look at the
jobs out there, you look at the teams that have
interviewed him, like the Jets are at least sufficiently self
aware to not even bother to try to interview Ben Johnson, right,
(10:50):
So I give them credit there.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
They know what they are.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
But I think it's the Raiders or Lions take that
Raider's job or stay put for Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Favorite player, Aaron Rodgers. Not sure if he's going to
play again next year, but I saw where the Vegas
odds the favorites the Vegas football team. Your thoughts on
Tom Brady bringing in Aaron Rodgers for a year, Well, it.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
Makes sense depending upon who they ultimately hire as GM
and head coach. I think he's not going to be
back with the Jets. I think he wants the Jets
to be the ones to end it.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
But I don't think he.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
Wants to go back to the Jets after the last
two years. When you consider your ultimate football legacy, nothing's
going to take away what he did in Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
But I think any.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Competitor wants the last memory of you to be something
other than what it's been with the Jets the last
two years, and for him, where's my spot where I
can do what I thought I was going to do
with the Jets? And I don't know that the Raiders
are in. When you're looking at the Chiefs and here
are the Broncos who are ready to make a push,
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and the Chargers with Jim Harbaugh, it's going to be
very difficult for the Raiders as long as there is
that division competing with those three teams. So that would
be the one downside if you're Rogers. Yeah, hey, it
makes sense. I know, Brady, Hey, they need a quarterback,
you know, Las Vegas whatever, proximity to where he lives
in the offseason. But is it really a spot where
you're gonna have a chance to compete for a postseason
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berth and ultimately a championship.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
How real is the Deonda Dallas story in your opinion?
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Well, I think it was a master stroke of publicity
and attention. They drop it that Deonna talked to Jerry
Jones during the Rams Vikings playoffs game. They know what
they're doing and there's a lot of that Carnival Barker
and Jerry Jones. But I just don't see it happening
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under the current circumstances. And now Deon's a guy who
said a year ago he'd never coached in the NFL.
Then he says, I'd only coach my sons. Well, Shadur's
not going to be the quarterback of the Cowboys next year.
He may not be the quarterback of the Cowboys for
a long time to come because of Dak Prescott's contract.
So I don't see it making sense. But how many
things do the Cowboys do that make sense? And at
the end of the day, who are they going to hire?
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And here's the problem with doing the Hey we're gonna
talk to dian and Hey we're going to talk to
this guy, and hey we're gonna talk about Bill Belichick,
and our new coach is Kellen Moore. It's kind of
a letdown, all due respect to Kevin Moore at the
end of Kellen Moore at the end of the day,
if that's where it goes. But I think a lot
of people are thinking it's going to be Kellen Moore
when it's.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
All said and done.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
With this weird possibility that Jason Witten could make the
jump from high school football coach to Cowboys coach, because
there are people who think one of these days is
going to be the head coach of the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
It just might not be now.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, but he made that jump to broadcasting and that
didn't go well for Jason Witten. I would think it
would be a tough a tougher jump from high school
football to coaching the Cowboys. See, Oh my god, you're right.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Here, right Dan, It's not real. I mean, is it
really a coveted job? Is it really?
Speaker 6 (13:53):
When you go to Dallas, you have to accept the
fact that Jerry's the one who's shopping for the groceries,
that Jerry's going to do two radio spots that are
going to make headlines during the season, that he's going
to do a postgame media scrum that's going to outshine
your postgame press conference.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
You've got to be ready to deal with that if
you're a head.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Coach, and a lot of these guys who want to
be the head coach don't want Jerry Jones to be
the face and voice of the team.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Well, I don't think being the coach of the Cowboys
means as much as it once did thirty years ago.
I still think being the quarterback of the Cowboys still
means an awful lot. But that's the problem I have
with this job. No matter who takes the job, you've
got a thirty two year old, injury prone, immobile quarterback
who's making who's owed over two hundred and thirty million
(14:37):
dollars guaranteed. That's not something I want to walk into.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Cowboys have done a great job drafting and developing. They
have made numerous mistakes figuring out what to do with
their young players when it's time to pay them. They've
paid the wrong guys like Michael Gallup. They've not paid
or waited too long to pay the right guys, which
paints them into a corner. They did that twice with
Dak Prescott. They did that Dak Prescott current contract sixty
(15:04):
million a year with all that guaranteed money, on the
morning of the regular season opener, because they knew, we
need to do this or he's going to.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Walk away as a free agent.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
And in hindsight, plenty of Cowboys fans would say we
should have let him play it out and start from
scratch at the quarterback position. But they have just mishandled
the negotiations. They wait too long, They lobe all the players,
and then they come around and cry, uncle, it's just
not a good way to build a sustainable, successful franchise.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Let me look at a couple of resumes here before
I let you go. If I said Sean Payton, Mike Tomlin,
Mike McCarthy, who are Hall of famers right now?
Speaker 6 (15:41):
And I saw a tweet earlier in the week from
the guy at ESPN who goes by HIMBO that McCarthy
needs a better publicist because McCarthy has a better track
record than Peyton and Tomlin when you look at some
of the big picture things, I think that Tomlin right now,
given the eighteen years in Pittsburgh, given that it's the Steelers,
two super Bowl pace pearances, consistent contender, never had a
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losing season, I think Tomlin is the guy who walks
right in. But you know Peyton and MacArthur are going
to have strong cases. But then there's a logjam. There's
plenty of coaches who deserve to be in who haven't
gotten in, and they always change the rules a little bit,
and you never quite know what the standard is, or
what the process is, or whether coaches are competing with
other players are competing with owners or they have their
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own lane. It's hard for guys who deserve to be
in to get in, like a Mike Holmgren and a
Mike Shanahan. So the coaches of today are going to
be caught behind that.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
But I think Tomlin is the one.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Eighteen years, no losing seasons, two Super Bowl appearances, playoff appearances.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
I think Tomlin is the one of the three that's
the most likely to get in.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Safe travels to Philadelphia. Play nice there, Mike, Well.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
I'm not the one that needs to be told to
play nice. I gotta worry about the fans. Rodney Harrison's
gonna throw snowballs at me. It's going to be a
challenging day.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
I might wear a helmet.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
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this summer was a busy guy. He was working with
NFL Films and in May he was with Troy Aikman
and Dak Prescott. He then traveled to San Diego he
was with Drew Brees, North Turner, and then the legendary
quarterback coach Tom House. Went to Phoenix he worked with
Kurt Warner. He also was therefore Aaron Rodgers and in
(19:09):
Buffalo with Josh aut So what was he doing with
all of these great offensive minds, all of these quarterbacks
and what he did is available on YouTube. Jason joins us, Now,
so give us this synopsis of what you were trying
to accomplish or did accomplish with your summer project here. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (19:28):
You know, a couple of years ago, I was up
in training camp visiting the Packers and Matt Lafour was great.
I spent the whole day with him, a setn meetings,
and at the end of the day we're finishing out
the quarterback meeting. And you know, I used to always
tell our players in Dallas that if you get a
chance to be around greatness, don't ask guys about their
house or their car or their boat, right ask him
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about why they're great. And so I'm sitting next to
Aaron Rodgers and I said, I'm going to take my
own advice here. And I just turned to him and said, hey,
just before I leave, just give me one thought. I'm
throwing one of the best throwers of his generation, one
of the best of all time. And I've known him
for a long time. My first year coaching was in
Miami for Nick Saban and it was two thousand and five,
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the year that Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers were coming out.
We had the second pick in the draft, so spent
a lot of time with him then and coached him
in the Pro Bowl and competed against him. And he's
always been very generous with me, and so he jumps
up out of the seat and he says, all I
think about when I throw is getting the way to
the inside of my left ankle, the inside of my
left half, and the inside of my left knee. And
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I'm like, like, what are you talking about. I've never
heard anybody talk about that, And so it struck me.
I'm flying home that night and I had a throwing
sequence of Joe Namath on my wall when I was
growing up. It was eight throws from his book The
Classic A Matter of Style. I don't know if you
remember that, but it was just incredible, and so I
(20:56):
had this image of name it in my mind. But
bu buh buh buh buh buh buck talking about throwing.
That's that's how I envisioned the perfect throwing motion. And
here's Aaron Rodgers fifty years later talking about the inside
of his left ankle, like what are we talking about here?
So what it struck me that the best thrower then
throw it one way. The best thrower now throws it
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another way, and the evolution of the throwing motion it's different.
And so I asked a few people about it, and
they kind of agreed with me, and I said, I
want to talk to the principal guys. I want to
talk to the guys who are actually throwing the ball.
And so I got with Troy and Dak and then
they kind of grew to a chance to talk to
Drew Brees and Tom House and Norv and everybody from there,
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and eventually would talk to Aaron and Josh Allen. And
what we found out is it has evolved that the
great throwers back then could really throw the ball. You
go back and look at the tape of Joe Namath
and Terry Bradshaw and those guys. They could throw the
heck out of the ball, Marino, Elway, Aikman, all these guys,
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but they do it differently than the guys are throwing
it today. And so we just did an examination of it.
We did it with NFL films, and NFL films, as
we all know, is one of the great entities of
all times. So it was a really fun project to do.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
But also this is the evolution of the golf swing.
They're hitting it further, they're using the ground getting kind
of leveraged with that. With baseball, we're seeing pictures throw,
you know, more pictures throwing faster than ever can can.
Are these quarterbacks throwing the ball faster like that is
that important? Or is it the quickness of the release
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that's more important.
Speaker 9 (22:36):
Well, one thing that you know part of this project
is we're going to try to go deeper on this.
It was a twenty two minute segment NFL Films Presents,
and one of my pangs when we finished it was
we probably use less than one percent of the content
for each of the guys. Troy Aikman talked about it
for over an hour, Drew Brees hour and a half.
I mean, we had so much great stuff and you
(22:58):
have to try to fit it in into this little window.
So I think you can go a lot deeper on
all this. And one of the great takeaways is all
these rotational athletes do things with the same principles of physics.
And you said it, it's ground force, it's rotation, it's lag.
You know this concept of lag where you're opening your
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hips and you're keeping your upper body closed and you're
kind of cork screwing and then it all whipping together.
That's not something we talked a ton about when I
was growing up throwing a football. It was more about showld,
the rotation, it's all coming together, and so I think
these guys are more into that. And a big part
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of this is the game has changed. When you think
about name It, we go back and we see these
pictures of name It. He's literally taking a thirteen step drop,
He's fifteen yards behind the line of scrimmage, rifling these
balls down the field. And you know, some people say
name when I completed fifty percent of his pass as
he threw more interception than touchdowns. Well, the game was
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completely different back then. Bubble screens and rocket screens and
get it out of your hand and all that kind
of stuff. That's not what the game was. So these
guys were bigger, stronger, like rifling it down the field.
Now it's more like shortstop the second base. We're getting
the ball out of our hand a lot. So how
do you generate hower with using ground force and rotation
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and have these quicker, little Derek Jeter type throws in
the middle of the infield. I think the game has
become a lot of that, and these guys are awfully
good at it.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah, it's available on YouTube. It's nerdtastic, Like you'll nerd
out if you're into this stuff and Jason sent it
to me, and I'm like, this is great. You did
a great job. Jason will be in Philadelphia. It's the
Rams and the Eagles coming up on Sunday. There's always
a surprise divisional round weekend. Give me this surprise.
Speaker 9 (24:59):
I don't think there's a prize this weekend. I really don't.
I think Kansas City wins as great as Houston was
last week. You know, we had the show on Sunday
night and we had these gigantic pictures of Andy Reid,
Patrick Mahomes, and Travis Kelsey behind us, and I just
turned around and said, first ballot, first ballot, first ballot,
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and they're playing at home. I think it's hard for Houston,
as great as they played last week, to go up
there and beat them, I really do. I think it'll
be hard for Washington to go into Detroit to win
as great as Jayden Daniels was last week. I think
it's gonna be hard for the Rams to go to
Philly and win. And then the one that I think
everybody's waiting for is Josh against Lamar, and I think
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that's a pick him anyway. So I don't see any
big surprises. I think we's have four great games.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
You got to take Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
How you taking?
Speaker 9 (25:55):
Every time I'm on this show, you're asking me these
kinds of questions. Uh, gun to my head, I'd take
Josh Allen, but I think Lamar Jackson's one of the
most amazing players I've ever seen in my life, so
it's hard for me to argue against him. Two time MVP,
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he'll probably be a third MVP, and he's revolutionized the
quarterback position.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
But well, I thought Josh Allen was the MVP this year,
even Lamar had the stats. Last year, Josh had the stats,
didn't win. So I like, it's a fluid philosophy or
criteria for voting for MVP, and I think that's where
I go. Okay, I didn't expect Buffalo to be this good. Now,
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granted they were in a bad division, but I looked
at them as an underdog, and I thought I'd actually
seen Josh Allen become a great quarterback this year where
he didn't force it. He didn't put on the Superman
cape as much as he likes to, and it felt
like that was a true team effort. So MVP for
a team, I would give it to him. I thought
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Derrick Henry is a great security blanket. Now, I did
have somebody, a coach who said the following. You keep
talking about how you know Derrick Henry helped Lamar Jackson.
Did you ever think Lamar Jackson helped out Derrick Henry
as well? Because what he was in Tennessee, anybody could
have had him. Nobody wanted him. They take him and
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he rushes for nearly two thousand yards. So a long
winded way of saying, I would take Josh. There's no
wrong answer in this.
Speaker 9 (27:38):
Yeah. The trickiest thing for me is I was fortunate
to be on those great teams with the Cowboys in
the nineties, and one of the things I learned was
everyone benefited from each other. Troy Aikman made Emmitt Smith better.
Emma Smith made Troy Aikman better. Emmitt Smith made the
receivers better. The line made Emmitt better. Emmitt made the
line better. They made the defense better, you know. And
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so that's that's when when you're a great team, that's
what happens. And sometimes you say each of the guys,
their candidacy for something like MVP gets diminished. Because hey,
he's got Derrick Henry well, yeah, you know, and and
fair or unfair, but that's what teams are. You know,
Magic and Kareem played together. You know, Burd McHale played together.
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I mean, Jordan and Pippin played together. I mean, if
you want to be a great championship team, you have
to have good players around you. And so I don't
think we should diminish Lamar, but it certainly is an
advantage for Lamar to have Big twenty two behind him.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Jason Garrett, NBC Football Night in America, former Cowboys head coach,
what advice would you give Dion Sanders about taking the
Cowboys job if offered.
Speaker 9 (28:50):
If he wants to do it, he should take it.
He's done an amazing job at Colorado. I think he's
changing college football in some ways and he's impacting a
ton of lives. But if he feels compelled to dive
into it, dive into it. He and Jerry have a
long relationship and.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
They need to know though, Jason, about Jerry the owner,
don the coach, that's different than that owner and that player.
So this is different. This is day to day, week
to week, game to game, and that's a whole different game.
Speaker 9 (29:24):
No doubt. But I bring that up just because that
relationship matters. I think Dion knows Jerry. Jerry knows Dion,
and I think they can have the kind of conversations
you need to have between owner slash general manager and
head coach. You got to be able to be honest
and to direct with each other. And when you're the
head coach in that situation, sometimes things don't go your way.
(29:47):
Sometimes you want to do something u and the owner
in general manager wants to do something else. And that's
part of the deal. Everybody's got a boss, right, So
I do think they can be honest with each other.
I don't think they'll be walking on it bashells around
each other. I think they value their relationship and I
think they can be direct with each other. I think
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that benefits that situation. So my encouragement to him would be,
tell Jerry what you think it might not go your way,
tell him what you think he needs to know. What
you think about this player, this coach, this philosophy, what
we're doing on offense defense, And then if it becomes
something where you have to get into it you have
a disagreement, hopefully you can rely on that relationship. You've
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had to work your way through it, and I think
that's an important thing.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Just feels like they're two CEOs though, Jason.
Speaker 9 (30:39):
Well, if you think about what the what the position
of head coach is, there's a lot of great coordinators
on offense and defense who go become head coaches and
they're not real good at it because maybe they don't
fully understand that being a head coach is a leadership
position first and foremost, and there has to be layers
of leadership in an organization. It's multi tiered leadership, and
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so it's owner and general manager, but then it's head coach,
and then it's coordinators, it's quarterback, all of that. So
I don't know that because both of them have leadership
CEO type skills, I don't know that it has to
be combative. It can be layered, and I think that's
an important piece of this. Hopefully they don't step over
each other, and hopefully the big CEO gives the next
(31:26):
CEO a chance to put his imprint on the team,
because I think that's an important part of it.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
But what was it like when Jerry's holding his own
press conference?
Speaker 9 (31:37):
Sometimes it could be challenging because, as you know, media people.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
It's a fun word there, challenging.
Speaker 9 (31:46):
Media people love to find the wedge and so sometimes,
you know, Jerry would say something and I think the
people who were covering our team knew that probably that
wasn't something that I agreed with, and they say, hey,
Jerry said this, what do you think about that? So
you had to deal with that. But you know, it
comes with the dinner. As Troy used to say, you
(32:07):
just figure it out and you can't let you can't
let those things detract from what you're trying to build.
Sometimes you'd wish they weren't there, you didn't have to
deal with those distractions. There's a lot of attention on
that team anyway, so why we you know, and fuel
to the fire. But you know, again, it's part of
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it and you'll work your way through it.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I asked Tim Callishaw. If I said to Jerry Jones,
you can't hold can't have a radio show, can't do
any interviews for the next five years, but you're I'm
going to guarantee you as Super Bowl, would Jerry be
able to go without being interviewed do his radio shows?
If I said you're going to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 9 (32:54):
Again. I just don't think I just don't think he
wants to give that up. Asked me the other day,
you know, do you go in there and do you
try to do you try to change Jared Jones. I said,
he's eighty two years old. You're not changing him. This
is what he wants to do. He took a lot
of risk in his life. He made a lot of money.
(33:14):
He'll tell you the story about how he bought the
Dallas Cowboys, a risky endeavor and with that risk comes
a lot of reward and a lot of freedom. And
part of it is he feels like he wants to
be the lead voice of the organization. And I don't
see him giving that up anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
That's for sure. You'll find Jason Garrett this video. I
don't even know how to describe it, but it's on YouTube.
And if you love sort of the evolution of the
quarterback and throwing and hearing from all these Hall of famers,
it's really great. It's nerdtastic, as I've come up with
that word. And Jason will be on the road. It'll
(33:52):
be Football Night in America in the afternoon on Sunday.
They started two o'clock with the Rams and the Eagles
save travels. Thanks for joining us, Yeah, thanks, Dan.
Speaker 9 (34:01):
Always enjoy it that.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Jason Garrett, there's always one of those questions. I have
to ask Jason where he goes. You always do this
to me every time I come on. Yep, And if
I was on Football Night in America still I would
do that too. For a national TV audience, yes, Paul.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
But so many people speculate on coaching the Cowboys and
what it's like day to day. This guy for a
long time, did it. I mean it's I can't imagine
the juggle of when you go to the podium and
the owner. It's just spoken.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
You don't know what he says, like, wait a minute,
what does he do? All Right? When we come back,
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Speaker 2 (34:57):
Get your voice ready, Marvin, here we go.
Speaker 10 (35:02):
Ever since I was a tiny bar, no one, no condy,
I don't mean it's us.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah two three four uh. The man named after Marvin Gay.
Thank you for the accompaniment there, Marvin. All right, last
call for phone calls. What we learn, what's in store?
On Monday, Hall of Famer Steve Young will be back
to dissect everything that happened over the weekend. Eight seven
(35:31):
seven three DP show stat of the Day was brought
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the Dan Patrick Show. Oh we got breaking news slash
good breaking news. You ready Yes.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
For the first time in almost two years, Dick Vitel
will return on air at ESPN for the Duke Wake
Forest game tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Awesome, awesome baby, awesome baby.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
That's awesome baby.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Thank you, Todd, thank you. That's great. That's great. Been
a long, long, long haul here for Dicky V. But
this is what he lives for.
Speaker 8 (36:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
We talk about coaches who want to coach until they die.
Dicky V wants to broadcast until he dies. That's what
he does. He loves basketball, He loves the environment, the students,
the coaches, everything about that. He is college basketball and
has been for close to forty years. Yes, Marvin, who's the.
Speaker 10 (36:30):
Dick Vitell of other sports where they're so passionate about
a sport you could just see oozes out of them.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Well you don't, I mean, Dicky V's unique, don't. I
don't know if there is. John Madden was kind of that.
But but you know, John was a really successful coach.
Dicky V was not a successful coach, and he coached
a little bit in the NBA and then in college
as well.
Speaker 10 (36:59):
Yes, Mart, well maybe not in terms of enthusiasm, but
the way they spoke about the game, even if they
were even kill emotionally, you could tell this do list
for this game.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
I once again, I don't know if there's anybody that
passionate about their sport than Dickie V. But but Dicky
V got to broadcast like he was different than anybody else.
He did it in a way that was different than
anybody else. And I don't know nobody's going to try
to emulate that. I mean, you'd be crazy to go
I'm going to be the Dicky V of NFL or
(37:34):
college football. That just that that would be almost impossible.
By the way, I got a random stat of Rando here,
most fifty point games allowed since the start of the
twenty twenty season in the NBA, You guys want to
guess the team that has allowed the most fifty point
(37:56):
games since twenty nineteen twenty one.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Yes, Pauly, it feels wizard ise, you know, a little wizard.
It is the Wizards of Waverley the job. Yeah, they
have allowed ten fifty point scores over that period. The
Pacers are next, Hawks and Spurs after that. And in
case you're wondering, ooh boy, let me see, is there
(38:25):
one in here?
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Now? These are all pretty good names there that scored
fifty against the Wizards. Let's see the Pacers. I'm trying
to think if there's any, um, well, here's one. The Hawks.
Steph Curry did it twice, Luca did it once, Kevin Durant,
Zach Levine, Klay Thompson. And who is the other player
(38:49):
to get at least fifty against the Hawks over this
time frame. I don't even what team he plays on.
I don't even know if I pronounced his first name correct.
Mala Malachi Flynn.
Speaker 11 (39:06):
Yeah, he didn't know that, Malauchey Flynn. Yeah, I don't
know why. That kind of caught my eye here and
just random, Andy, and Rhode Island is back.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Hi, Andy, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 9 (39:30):
Kay?
Speaker 12 (39:31):
Damn woman's cross wap?
Speaker 7 (39:33):
Oh hello.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Andy?
Speaker 12 (39:38):
Oh sorry, guys, guys, I'm crossing the streets.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Somebody just flew past his cross wap.
Speaker 12 (39:43):
I'm sorry, So let me get this together.
Speaker 9 (39:47):
Guys.
Speaker 12 (39:47):
I was thinking, you guys have a most valuable Dannette,
you have a least valuable Dannet. But what happened to
the most underrated Dannet?
Speaker 5 (39:55):
Dan?
Speaker 12 (39:56):
You know, I've been thinking really hard about it, and
you know, I feel that there would be some good
contended for it. And also, what would the optics be
on Princey if he showed up having a rough day
and he just started reading a book in the middle
of the show, what would office.
Speaker 9 (40:09):
Be on that?
Speaker 11 (40:10):
Well?
Speaker 2 (40:10):
No, that Aj Brown had a good game, so it
wasn't like if Fritzy showed up and was having a
great show, then you know he would be he could
he could be reading a book.
Speaker 10 (40:22):
Yeah, I just don't pay attention sometimes I'm not reading
a book. Eleven, Yes, Mark, get out of my head.
The irony is what number does Aj Brown wear?
Speaker 6 (40:31):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Eleven full circle. This day in sports history, Paul just one.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
Nineteen sixty three, Wilt Chamberlain of the San Francisco Warriors
score sixty seven points against the LA Lakers.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Nineteen fifty one, two Manhattan College basketball players three book
makers arrested for conspiring to fix basketball games. Ultimately saw
thirty two players from seven different schools arrested for point shaving.
Of course, that couldn't happen nowadays, could it. Let's see, Todd,
would you learn today? Shake Gilders Alexander is a nickname.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
SGA is simply his initials because it's too hard to
say his full name.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Seet no counter SGA.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
Nicknames are pretty tricky to come by.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah, Todd came up with the kids. I like it.
Marvin Lawyer is going to wear a helmet in Philly.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
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Dan Patrick
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