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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It is Monday, February third, twenty twenty five. This is
another edition of Football Today, presented you by Captain Morgan,
the official Spice Drama of the NFL. We are reunited.
The guys are back for Mobile. I am Chris Rose,
Bobby Skinner, Justin Pennock, Producer Connor. We're all together, even
if not in the same room. All right, Bobby. The
(00:21):
question everybody wants to know Automobile. Does Pennock snore?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
If I slept on the top ceiling a floor of
our airbnb, I would have known, especially because they lied
about being a four bedroom house. They're they're liars. But
I'm sure he does.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I bet I very bad sleep appen now, So yes,
I do.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. So I was it, guys,
You know I got to tell you. I don't know
if you guys stayed for the actual game. The game
itself usually is pretty crappy. It's just, you know, you're
throwing a bunch of guys together. The game itself on
Saturday was fun. It looked like all the content you
guys shot was was pretty good.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
How we didn't stay for the game, but we are
Jack Betch guys. So it's good to see him when
the Senior Bowl MVP. And We're gonna do a Senior
Bowl only mock draft on Talking Giants this week, and
I'm gonna be banging on the table as I you know,
costplay Brian Dable for Jack Betch Okay Hedick.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It was a lot of fun, A ton of ton
of players talk to a ton of players too. I
would say this was like our most productive week down
and down in Mobile two in terms of everything that
came out. So a lot of fun. Excited to see
where these guys got draft.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Did you find it?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I mean there were some big name quarterbacks, not the
not the top two shoot or Sanders wasn't there, cam
Ward wasn't there. But the guys that are fighting an
app for QB three. Did you guys find the next
great Giants back that will soon be let go before
his rookie contract expires.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I will say their names are big, their play not
so much. No more old miss quarterbacks for Big Blue
uh Paddick.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Dylan Gabriel was the most consistent quarterback, even though Day
three he went like one for six for one for
five and eleven on eleven and took more and like
somehow took sacks and seven on seven. So yeah, that
tells you where the state of this quarterback class is
at right now.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
But don't worry, somebody's gonna get hot, you know, a
little less than three months until the draft up there
in Green Bay, which you can see over on NFL
Network if you'd like to tune in for that. All right,
So we're gonna have another show before the kick of
Super Bowl fifty nine down in New Orleans. So we're
gonna get into the nitty gritty of the game on
Friday show.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
But today we're.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Gonna kind of have a little bit of fun, take
a little more leeway with some bigger picture topics of
the Super Bowl. I got eight of them in mind here, guys.
Most of them are you're going to rate on a
scale of one to five. Give us a reason for
each thing that.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
You believe here.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
So we're gonna start off with this, which is the
easy one, that the Chiefs are trying to become the
first team to go back to back to back in
Super Bowl history. How much do you care about this?
On a scale of one to five, one being you
move on to the next topic rows by being I
can't believe we're not talking about this enough, Bobby.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
This gets five big booms. I mean, this is the
storyline of the Super Bowl. It's it's the no team
has ever done this, right, Like we've come on these
post super Bowl shows and talked about, oh, Brady verse, Mahomes,
Brady verse, Mahomes is it two early? They're able to
win three in a row? That's now four super Bowls.
Now he's second most, you know, tied with Joe Montana,
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like we're and it's and it's before Brady did to
where now I feel like that stuff becomes a little
more legit and you have and it's a little less like, oh,
let's wait and see. Let's wait and see. Like winning
three in a row without the most talented roster in
the NFL is amazing, And I, like you said, why
are we not talking about it? I'm surprised that we're
not talking more about like this dynasty that is the
(03:51):
Kansas City Chiefs and and they're fourth, you know, not
just three in a row.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, I'm giving this five five big booms as well. Chris.
Do you know that reference?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
By the way, I.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Don't know that I like it though the Costco guys,
the Costco guys.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Jami Justice, I got it.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I got sorry about your brother that passed away. He
gets five big booms.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Okay, yeah, so five big booms for me, because really,
I think the closest team that did it was the
New England Patriots two thousand and one, two thousand three,
two thousand and four. They're like the kind of the
closest ones to do it. But then I think the
last team to really win three championships in a row
nineteen twenty nine, nineteen thirty, nineteen thirty one, Green Bay Packers,
and that you know obviously pre Super Bowl days. So
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this is just something that we're like, I'm going to
be telling my grandkids when both of you are maybe
here with us, maybe not. I will be telling my
grandkids about the Kansas City Chiefs and how they're one
of the the greatest dynasty because they were able to
do it three times in a row.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Well, first of all, thanks for kicking the old guy
to the curb. Secondly, the thought of you having grandchildren
inhabit this planet at some point, at some point just
scared the Bejesus out of me. Number three, I do
want to I'm not here to point fingers or anything.
But the Packers sixty five through sixty seven actually did it.
I yeah, they won the NFL championship in sixty five.
Then they won each of the first two Super Bowls.
(05:08):
So we have had teams win three straight championships, just
not three straight Super Bowls. To me, it's a little
bigger than even that. Do you guys know the last
team in North American I gotta be careful with this
if I throw sports the core four sports. Thank you,
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very very good that a way, Bobby.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
They beat my new jersey nets in one of those,
so it's very memorable, you know.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
From the ninety nine season through the two season, they
covered three seasons to win three Restyles. So you know,
and when you throw out Mahomes and us talking about Brady,
the simple explanation will be, well, you can't put him
in Brady's category because he doesn't have seven rings. Well,
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we don't do that in other sports. Who do we
consider to be the greatest basketball player ever?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Jordan?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Michael Jordan? How many rings does he have?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Six?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
He has six? Is that the most in NBA history? No,
it is not.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
It is not.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
When we talk about the greatest baseball player in history.
I mean usually you know, you can kick that around
Willie Mays to Hank Aaron, those guys don't have the
most rings and it's not even close. So why is
it at this point that we strictly say, well, he
can't be the best quarterback ever. I mean, what he
has done or has a chance to do by age
twenty nine if he wins in less than a week.
(06:35):
Tom Brady didn't get to his second pairing of three
Super Bowls until he was in his mid to late thirties, right.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
But it's just longevity matter. So it's not like Brady
just had like this peak and then of six straight
in a row and then like sure Brady was great.
Like it's hard. It's just it's just hard to match
what Brady did. It's impossible, you know, MVP super Bowls,
you know, you know, record breaking seasons, like he was
amazing in a time of amazing quarterback play. He rose
to the top consistently, so the Chiefs. But like the
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only guy who we've thought that can maybe do that
is Patrick Mahomes. So you know, once you get the four,
like that's just part of it, you know, because longevity
matters to be able to do this at a you know,
consistent phasis in the era of salary cap wheres the
menfl is not meant to do this, right, They they
make it to where you can't do this. And they've
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been the one team to you know, kick the trend
of you know, paying the quarterback and being able to
get it done.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
And they also give you hard schedules too, when you
when you finish in first place and when you finish
in last place, because they like, they like the polarity
of it. But let me flip this on its head
for one second, because I think the weight that this
is a football fan saying this about the Super Bowl.
But Rose, you're you know, you're, your fingers are all
over sports. I think the weight of a Super Bowl
win is just a lot more than some of the
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other sports. And here's what I mean, flipped this on
its head. Cam Newton recently came out and said, I
would rather keep my regular season MVP. W I traded
away for that Super Bowl victory in twenty fifteen if
that meant he had to give it away his regular
season MVP, And he said, no, I want I want
to go down as a regular season MVP. I think
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that's kind of crazy to be a super Bowl winning quarterback.
I think that holds so much more weight even if
you did it once versus like a regular season MVP
as a quarterback. Now, is that wrong?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Like I think?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
But I were to say, like in baseball, though, I
think I would rather be an MVP winner in baseball
and remembered for like a forty or a fifty home
run season than just being part of a World Series
winning team. What do you guys think about that?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Well, for quarterback, super Bowl means the most obviously in
the NFL. I think Cam was probably just kind of
digging in his heels. I'm like, kind of I wouldn't
change anything about my career. I think he would if
he was being honestly, he'd rather finish second MVP voting
that year and win the Super Bowl because he would
be he would be you know, better better viewed. You know,
you have a better case for Hall of Fame or whatever.
(09:10):
But the reality is, like the thing that keeps you
afloat and keeps you going to the Super Bowl is
that quarterback position. But also like where the NBA, you
don't get like guys who go get hot and get
on a run, right, you have to win four out
of seven, and every series we're in the NFL, you
just got to have one bad day and you're and
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you're out of the tournament. So, like you said, like
you said, rose to do this for the first time,
To win three in a row, where you win three
years in a row, where nobody had just had a
better day than you, I think is pretty damn special.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, And the quarterback position is so different than there
is nothing else in sports. There's not even a goaltender
in hockey that that comes close to it when it
comes to a postseason run. You know, we still talk
about Joe Flacco because he still plays, but we are
going to remember one run a dozen years ago where
he threw eleven touchdowns and didn't throw any interceptions in
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leading the Ravens to the Super Bowl forty seven victory
over San Francisco. We're going to remember that forever. You
remember quarterbacks, you remember coaches, and that's it, and in
this particular sport. So yeah, I do I think that
obviously it's that choice that you put out there. Panic
is the one that you know, we certainly understand where
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it's coming from let's move on to our second topic
once again, scale of one to five. Saquon Barkley is
the most important offensive player Sunday on either team. One
is hell no, and five is no doubt.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Panic, Yeah, I'm giving it a five.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
It's hell yes. He's the most important because you typically
talk about we were just talking about quarterbacks, right, where
does the source of explosivity come? For the most part
in the game of football, comes from the quarterback throwing
the ball, or even the quarterback dropping back to pass
and then he scrambles. That's typically where you see these
big plays of ten, fifteen, twenty plus yards because everything
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just breaks down. The Philadelphi Eagles their source of explosive plays,
and Saquon Barkley has had a season unlike anybody else
in NFL history with these runs and these touchdowns that
he's had of forty to fifty sixty plus yard touchdowns.
He is the source of the big plays that the
philaduff Eagles have. Now there is a j. Brown, of course,
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there is Davonte Smith, but that's when the Eagles are
really operating at their best. But no one has been
able to stop over the last month and a half
two months and since kind of like this December run.
I feel like this is really when it started for
the Eagles. Nobody has been able to stop the legs
of Saquon Barkley, particularly big play Saquon Barkley. So absolutely,
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he is the most important player on this Eagles offense
for sure. So I give it. I mean, I'm up
there out of five.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Again, I mean, that's kind of crazy. You think he's
more important than Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
On either team? Yes, yes, really yes.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
So we're just talking about a guy being the greatest
of all time and you're and you think steak On
bark I disagree with that.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Per it is the most important offensive player for the
Eagles to be for the Eagles to have a shot
in this Like if Patrick Mahomes has a stat line,
I'm gonna read you one of his stat lines from
one of his Super Bowls twenty one for twenty seven
one and eighty two yards, three touchdown, zero interceptions. That
was the stat line that he had in the thirty
eight to thirty five victory against the Eagles two years
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ago in twenty twenty two. Like, I view that besides
the three touchdown passes under two hundred yards. It's kind
of a pedestrian stat.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Line beides you can't take an it's the three touchdowns,
which are kind.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Of and he played like perfectly in that game against
that defense too. Yeah, like a change stike in defense
or not change stike in on Jonathan defense. That was
keeping up. They did. They played damn near fallless like hell,
Jalen Hurts played damn near falls hats have a fumble
in that game, and the Chiefs just did more. So.
So important is always a kind of a loaded word,
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but even within like even erasing that we do like
MVP of Verus most house standing or whatever, I still
think Mahomes is there. So I'm going to go. I'm
going to go too because I also think the Eagles
just have a lot of other off Like their quarterback
is really important. I think Aj Brown and Devonte Smith
what they can do in this game, Like, I think
there's so much and we're just talking about offenses and
this too, So I'll go it too.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, I would keep it. I hate to go split
it down the middle, but I will. I'll go with
a three here in part because of who he's going against.
Spags has faced the NFL's leading rusher twice in the playoffs.
He is two and oh against those guys. So it
was the twenty nineteen AFC Title game against Tennessee held
Derrick Henry to under seventy yards rushing, and then last
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year in Super Bowl fifty eight, Christian McCaffery really had
to work to get his eighty yards on twenty two carries.
So he's two and ozer. He's going to come up
with some sort of master plan to have somebody else
be and I think that he's going to do everything
in his power to make sure that Jalen's Jalen hurts
his arm and not his legs. So you know, I
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think that they're I mean, once again, good luck with
this because Saquon didn't have an enormous second half against
the Rams in the divisional round until you consider those
two explosive runs that he had so other than that
they bottled him up, and then those are the it's
the one two punch that he can deal. Also, there's
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a big day for Saquon Barkley. I hate to pile
on my Giants buddies here, but he turns twenty Yeah,
he turns, he turns twenty eight on Super Bowl Sunday.
Players that a birthday on the Super Bowl and playing
it are ten and four all time. Oh wow, there
you go, little nifty nifty thing for you.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
But Rose so you so you brought up that Barkley. Okay, yeah,
he wasn't as effective until he breaks off that run,
but he did, and that's what he's done, and that's
what he's done. Name me another player, I would say,
but maybe besides AJ Brown, name me another player on
either side of the ball that you think can snap
of a finger forty to fifty sixty. Our play changes
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the game. I don't think you can in this matchup.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I don't think Brown.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yes, But Saquan's done it way more consistently than AJ
Brown as of as of late. And that's why in
terms of level of importance, Saquan is a guy that
can just change the game on a dime and do
exactly what the Eagles may need in that specific game,
in this specific game.
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on what really matters out there. All right, We continue
on with our questions. H Patrick Mahomes, We've already talked
a little bit about him, but Bobby, he will have
to have the best game of his five Super Bowl
appearances in order to take down the Philadelphia Eagles. One
is heck, No. Five is absolutely rose.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
I'll say I'll stay four because I think the way
he played against the Eagles two years ago is the
similar to the way he's going to play in this game.
So he's kind of done that. But I think he's
gonna have to play way better than both of the
forty nine Ers games and then obviously the Bucks, the
Bucks loss that he had because Vic Fangio is gonna
like he is not gonna make it easy on them,
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Like You're gonna have to play damn near perfect football
to get that win. And you know, on the other side,
you do have an offense that can you know, can
create those explosives in the run game with Saquon Barkle
just was talking about, and get you over the top
with AJ Brown and Devonte Smith and Dallas Goddard can
do damage there. You know, they have the put the
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tush push that makes them super efficient on on third
and fourth down. Uh So you just there's not gonna
be very much room for error in this game against
a really damn good defense. That I'll go four because
I think he did. I think he had a very
similar game. Like he's gonna have to have a very
similar game to what he did against the Eagles two
years ago. I think if he plays the way he
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did in either of the forty nine ers games, this
this may go down as a.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
L I'm gonna go with the three where his EPA
incredible EPA per play in the last Super Bowl against
the Eagles with ninety fifth percentile, and that's the one
where he went twenty one for twenty seven, two or
three touchdowns. But like again, like you look at that
stat line, the three touchdowns definitely do stick out, but
the yards being under two hundred, it's like, yeah, it's
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not really sexy. They're gonna need an offense that's gonna
have to just stay on schedule. Where a six point
two averaged up to target for Mahomes in that last
Super Bowl, that's the fifteenth percentile. I that's kind of
where the Chiefs have been over the last two years,
is they have to keep that average up to target
low and they have to kind of stay on schedule,
and I think that's kind of how Patrick Mahomes is
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going to need the win and what so why I
say three it's a little lower than the Bobby is.
I don't think the yards is going to be sexy
like he threw for three hundred and thirty three last year.
I don't think he's going to throw for three hundred
and thirty three unless he's having to come back, unless
they're down by ten points in the fourth quarter and
they're having to come back. But if the Chiefs are
playing their brand of football, which is keeping the game
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close and keeping that game script very close and just
controlling the game, then that average up, the target's going
to be down. They're going to stay on schedule, and
Mahomes is just going to be slinging it left to
right to whoever's open, and he's going to be using
his legs as well. It wouldn't surprise me, especially now
that he is that healthy ankle. He had six rushing
attempts for forty four yards in the Eagles Super Bowl,
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nine rushing attempts for sixty six yards last year. I
think he's easily clearing over fifty rushing yards.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
This game, well, he has to get minimum over forty,
which is something that he's done seven times in his
playoff career and so yet to me, it's not necessarily
the gaudy number with his arms, but it's both of
those because we don't talk about Mahomes's running until he
actually runs for a huge first down, right he did
last year even on the bad ankle and everything else,
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he's done it or you know, in Super Bowl fifty
seven with the bad ankle. So when he does that
sort of stuff, then you sit there and you're like, wow.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
We tend not.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
To talk about, you know, Patrick Mahomes and his running ability.
We talk about Josh Allen and his running ability. We'll
talk about Jalen Hurts and his running ability. But Patrick
Mahomes always leaves us with some sort of memorable scramble,
whether it's to continue a drive, keep the ball away
from the opponent, whatever it is. So I could see
him throwing for under two hundred and fifty and still
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having perhaps his best Super Bowl yet, and so I'm
going to have to say that it's probably a four
out of five.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yes, I have to say something. I have to say.
I want to break. I want to break the news
of Chris Rose. Miles Garrett has demanded a trade from
the Cleveland Browns, and he made a statement.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
But don't do that.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I swear I'm not lying.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
This is like, this is like Luca was traded to
the It was not that big which and by the way,
I hate to be that's the dumbest trade ever and
sports history, right, the Luca trade.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yeah, that's pretty bad. Well, not the dumbest trade ever.
It's not the dumbest trade ever.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
We can trade.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Well, maybe perhaps the team that just had their guy
request to trade. All right, what do we do about this?
Oh my god? So here's here's the statement that he
just released. Miles Garrett. As a kid dreaming of the NFL,
all I focused on was the ultimate goal of winning
a Super Bowl, and that goal fuels me today more
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than ever. My love for the community of Northeast Ohio
and the incredible fan base of the Cleveland Browns has
made this one of the toughest decisions of my life.
These past eight years have shaped me into the man
I am today. While I've loved calling this city my home,
my desire to win compete the biggest stage won't allow
me to be complacent. The goal is never was never
to go from Cleveland to Canton. It was always to
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compete for and win a Super Bowl. With that in mind,
I requested to be traded from the Cleveland Browns Miles Garrett.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Oh God, and I had this dream of.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
I had this before Sunday.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Before Sunday I did. I did have this stream of
pairing Miles Garrett with Abdual Carter and just how fun
that defensive front would be, even if the team's not good,
that would be one of the more fun defensive fronts
you've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Hey, maybe trade him to the Giants and we'll we'll
do that with pick three.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
So with Brian, if you're the let's think this through here.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
If this strictly isn't a an extension ploy, which I
am hopeful that it is, I don't think so. I
don't think it is either. Okay, if you uh, if
you do that, if you trade him, where do like
all these teams that would love to have him, the Lions,
all their picks are going to be in the twenties forever.
(22:54):
You cannot give up Miles Garrett, who's still in the
prime of his career. He's he just turned twenty nine
years old in December. You can't give them up for
multiple first round picks for the Lions. What the hell
does that do for you?
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Yeah? I I would say no, because, like you said,
nobody that no one's gonna that's gonna have a bottom
of the draft pick. Is actually know what some of
those teams may be willing to do that, you know, like,
let's the what's the team? You know, Like, can you
see the Falcons maybe, you know, making a big splash
trade for Miles Garrett and then their season doesn't go
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the way they expect. Like I could see something like
that happening.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I mean, if you're the Bears, do you trade because
you've got a rookie quarterback on his deal? Do you
they have a top ten pick? Yeah, he's you know,
and not that the Bears are significantly closer to a
Super Bowl than the Browns, but it's at least their
point in the right direction. I don't know if that
would satisfy Miles Garrett. But when you're talking about a
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Super Bowl contender, when you're talking about teams that are
picking from basically twenty four.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
And back, God, what a disaster you guys enjoying this.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
No, I just want it on the record. I was
the one who broke the news to you justin did
not get it out in time. Oh my god, hey listen,
if if he has an amazing year, get ready for
how did the Browns let this guy go? We've we've
had to deal with that every sing.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
If he has an amazing year, what do you mean
if he is.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
He's saying on like the big the biggest stage. Like
if he's just doing having an amazing year on the Cardinals,
no one will care. But if he's doing it in
their winning playoff games in prime time with that whatever
team that he's in, then how did the Browns waste
this talent? Which you guys have wasted the talent but
still so quest.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
And we'll get back to the super Bowl. If you're
the Browns, how do you handle this?
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Because this isn't about acquiescing and just giving Miles Garrett
whatever he wants. I mean, the guy's still under contract
for a few more years, so to request a trade
in this sport, I think is a little different than
we've seen in NBA Circle and things of that nature.
Like this is, like I said, this is something where
you're giving away a guy who's gonna slip on a
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gold jacket, no question, that still has a ton of
good football left. And you can't just give him away
for oh, three first round picks at the end of
the first round. That's not gonna fly.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Well, you know, if you would get three, when is
the last time someone was trade for three first round picks?
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Well, quarterbacks end up getting traded for three first round pick.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
How much does the Brown straight for Deshound Watson?
Speaker 1 (25:28):
That would be three first round picks and three other picks.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Well, maybe you try and get those back. The issue is,
I can see Mile's Garrett not playing. That's that's if. Yeah,
he's if he's not gonna skip out on games, just
say no, you know, shout out, Nancy Reagan. I'm just
saying no to any trade of Miles Garrett. But if
he's gonna miss out on games, then you kind of
and you don't think he's bluffing on that, then you
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kind of got to work something out.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
All right, get back to our regularly scheduled I'm gonna
have to move my therapy appointment up today, guys, God
damn it.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Better help will let you change that around?
Speaker 4 (26:07):
For you. Ah brief joke. All right, let's move on
to this.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
We'll probably have to cut a question or two, but
we're gonna We're gonna keep this one because I love it.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
This one is that you see Eagles head coach Nick
Sirianni in a much different light than you did before
this season started. One is heck No. Five is yep,
sorry what I thought about you earlier this year, Nick Panick.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I'm gonna go with the two cause I kind of
don't know what I am gonna give him credit for.
Is great job being good friends with Vic Vangil and
good job prying him out of Miami. Now that might
I think Vangio did a lot to kind of get
out of Miami after after your one. A lot of
the players didn't like him, didn't work, doesn't work well
with Mike McDaniel. But certainly seems like maybe he did
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it on purpose because he seems like he's always been
a good fit with Philadelphia. I mean, he was even
the he was the advisor. He was like the last
minute advisor that the Eagles hired in that twenty twenty
two Super Bowl. So I think he's done a very
good job getting a staff together, even Kellen Moore, even
though he has his flaws, But Howie Roseman just had
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one of the best off seasons you're ever going to
see from a general manager. The two corners that they drafted,
the two DB's that they drafted in Quinnon Mentroll, Cooper
Degene or immediate impacts. Sequon Barkley is an immediate impact.
They took a reclamation project in Makai Beckton and turned
him into a starting guard who was an advantage as
a rum blocker. I mean, it is so many other
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things that I'm not even that I'm not bringing up,
Like one of the best off seasons that you're Zach
Bond turned a guy that was that they threw away
from New Orleans into an All Pro linebacker. One of
the best offseason you ever gonna see. So yeah, Nick
Sirianni leading this team. Good for him getting back to
the super Bowl. But I'm not totally changing my full
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opinion on him because the GM also did have, like
I said, one of the best off seasons that we've
ever seen.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
I'm at a three because nothing has changed for me.
I thought this team is extremely talented, and I thought
the coordinators were the biggest upgrade that any teams had
really received this offseason, and you know, kind of our
line for them was like, they're too talented to fail,
even though they had failed the year before. So Sirianni
has not gotten in the way of them winning similar
to the way he has in the past. Obviously, the
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end of last year was a horrible coaching job, but
you got rid of those coordinators and you've seen Sirianni
win with good coordinators. So honestly, nothing has changed with
me for Sirianni. I'm not going to sit here and
tell you that he's this great advantage as a head coach,
but also he has not proven to be a great
disadvantage either.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Yeah, I'm not going high on this. It's either two
or three.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Because if we have a head coaching draft and we
rank the head coaches, where does he sit right now?
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Guys? Middle of the pack at best?
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Right? Be good to revisit what our coaching how rankings are.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Yeah, do you want to you want to look those
up while we stall?
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Maybe maybe maybe I will, but yeah, I yeah, I
think he's middle of the pack. I think when you
just like talk about like what coach would I want
from my team starting up. I don't think he's ranked
super high on that, but you can't put him low either. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I mean, like I said, I think he's middle of
the pack. Who would you rather have right now?
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Dan Quinn or or Nick Sirianni?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I'm dan Quinn. Yeah, I guess I'd say Quinn. I
guess it's hot right now. But Quinn was also fired,
you know, not too long ago, but.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Right I mean, I don't know where's he ranking the
NFC East coaching hierarchy right.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Our average consensus preseason was eight. He had him eighteenth. Yeah, Rose,
you had him sixteenth?
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Mmm?
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I had him? I had him? Where'd I have him?
I hadn't twentieth? And then Justin had a eighteenth. I
guess I don't know. Justin didn't put his in the email?
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Wow that guy? Yep. So there you go. We all
still don't believe it.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
And guess what when he's sitting on the desk next
to me in six days after they win the Super.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Bowl, I'm going to ask him that question.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I'm going to ask because he knows, he knows that
he doesn't get any love.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
What's the city?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
The city I feel like still hates him.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
I know it's weird, right.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
If there was a mini mic that went around like
any one of those Instagram TikTok reels whatever, Right, if
the Eagles are going to fail in the postseason, Who's
who's going to be the culprit of it? Yeah, and
it's like seventy five percent of the answers were Nick Sirianni.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Yeah, all right, let's do uh, let's do this one.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Jalen Carter has surpassed Chris Jones as a more disruptive
force in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
One is what are you thinking?
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Five is Yeah, that Carter kid is a beast, Bobby One.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Because as much as Jalen Carter is a beast, you
could say top five defensive tackle in the NFL, Chris
Jones is number one. You know, he's better than him
in every statistical category. I think he's better as a
more consistent player in the run game as well. So
Carter is amazing. It's not taking anything away from him,
but it's just Chris Jones I think is the best
defensive tackle and football. I think he's better than Dexter Lawrence,
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better than Quinn Williams. I don't think there's anyone that
is at his level and what he's been able to
do consistently. So it is a what are you thinking?
Because as good as Jalen Carter has been, even in
the playoffs, I think Chris Jones playoffs have been better.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, and this is according the Pro Football Reference too.
I mean, Chris Jones has four seasons of twenty eight
plus QB hits with one two, three seasons of ten
plus sacks, four seasons of five seasons with nine plus
sacks in the season. So Jalen Carter is a disruptor
and one of the NFL those biggest disruptors at one
at this point, at his stage of his NFL career.
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You see the double team rates. It's off the charts.
It's one of the highest in the NFL. And you
just you know, you watch the game of the impact
that he has, it's there. But Jones has been that dude.
Jones has been that disruptor for years plus. He's been
able to back it up with the sacks, the hits
and the tackles for loss and things like that. Carter's
on his way and typically you see like these interior
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defensi alignment it takes them like three years to kind
of get to that level where they're producing numbers. So
I'm really excited to see where Carter's year three has
in store. But no, I'm I'm with Bobby like I'm
around a one or two where Carter's that dude. But
Chris Jones is, Chris Jones is the og of this.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Well, I'm also going to say too, only because I
don't think that we can measure Carter's ability to stay
in between, to color inside the lines, if you know
what I mean? Uh, after just two years, like drive
inside the lines? Okay, now now now now you made
it too.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
He is.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
He's a fantastic talent. Now, as far as just playoffs,
I seem to remember this number and I went back
to his game log. It took Chris Jones fourteen playoff
games to register his first postseason sack.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Do you guys remember that? Remember? He?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, it was last year, right, I think it was
it was either last year two years. I know it
was two years ago against Kansas City in the AFC
title game. He got two sacks against Cincinnati. Sorry, okay,
in the AFC title game. That's what He only has
three and a half sacks in I think he's played
twenty one playoff games.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
That's pretty crazy. He did get one earlier this season
against Houston in the Divisional round. And we've seen what
Jalen car ya. Jalen Carter, those last two defensive snaps
against the LA Rams are probably why Philadelphia is going
to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
And possibly not the Rams.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
So he can he can destroy time, and I think
that'll be a fantastic matchup. Obviously now that Kansas City
has moved to you know, Joe tune out to left
tackle and calli Endo's in there in between Creed Humphrey
and Tony a Player, Pro Bowlers and All pros as well.
That'll be really interesting when Jalen Carter does match up
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right over the guard at some point during Super Bowl Sunday.
All right, let's finish up. But before we do, actually,
justin Peedick, you do have a word for us.
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Speaker 4 (35:27):
All right, Thank you, mister Pennick.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
We will be giving our game predictions and breaking it
down a little bit more football ye later in the
week on our Friday edition of Football Today.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
But we'll finish with this little fun one.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
It's a pretty good celebrity fan matchup between these teams.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
You got Jason Sadeikaz, Paul Rudd, Eric stone Street, and
I keep hearing the Taylor Swift as a Chiefs fan.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
I can't confirm it.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
The Eagles have people like Kevin Hart and Bradley Cooper,
Mike Trout, Miles Teller. They're all in a single team suite.
You can only hang out in one pannic. Which one
are you going to? Eagles fan or Chiefs fan?
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Sweet?
Speaker 2 (36:12):
This is tough because you can have Bradley Cooper can
make a cheese steaks.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Do you think he's making those in a sweet? Yes?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
I would, I would ask him to. I'm going with
the Chiefs because the trio of Jason Sidegas, Paul run In,
Eric stone Street. Put three of those people in a room.
And then you know Taylor Swift. I could you know
what I've always wanted to tail Taylor Swift if I
if I see her in person? Okay, you wouldn't be
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you without Shania Twain. Shania Twain did it first. Shania
Twain was the pioneer. She went from country to pop first,
and she did it. She became the international superstar Shaniah walked.
So Taylor can run, and that's what I would tell her,
and then I would have a lot of fun with
the trio of Jason Sega's Paul read eericstone Street the.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Story that she grifted country music wavef for you, Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Wow, holy smokes. Okay, Bobby Skinner, this is a question
right up your alley. I know you love these ones.
I was thinking of you when I wrote it.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Well, I'm not gonna hang out with Eagles fans, so
that's easy. And then the chiefs one like, you're gonna
have all. Everyone's gonna be trying to get in the
Taylor Swift shot on TV, so you're gonna have them.
So the rest of the suite it's for you know, me,
me and the boys. You know we no line for
the food. Is just me and the boys hanging out
watching the game, talking ball, joking around. Well, everyone want
to get Taylor Swift's shot.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
You would want to get in the shot, though, you
would do something crazy like what like I don't know,
I don't know whatever you would want to do.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Maybe i'd put a sticker like on the window or
something you.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Bring in a firecracker.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
The top dances in the back with Jackson Mahomes. I
could definitely see that happening in the Chief Suite. Boy,
this is a tough one. This is I actually like
the question because those the fans are actually big time fans.
They're not like fake fans.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Now.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
I don't know if you guys remember, but in Super
Bowl fifty two, Kevin Hart was hammered out of his
gourd and came up on our set and it just
sounds awful. Well, so for whatever reason, people still care
when you swear on cable television. I never have understood it,
but they do. So he started going off and Dion
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picked him up like he was a bouncer. He's like,
all right, you got to get out the club now,
and he actually escorted him off of the stage, off
of our little set. So I don't know if we
can go through that again. So I guess I'll hang
out in Kansas City. I'll see you in the Chief Suite, guys.
It'll be fun. Get my picture with Tata.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
I'm still waiting on one of our sponsors to give
me a suite too on a Lando Magic game. That
was something that's supposed to have been happening for a long
time and it still hasn't.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
See Geek.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yeah, well, don't worry. You don't need to call him out.
I mean, that's not going to help you.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
They will help me. They need to be called out.
See Keek, you're you're a great advertiser. You do great work.
I usual all the time. I need that Orlando Magic suite.
See if we can work on that. We'll talk to
our sales department.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
All right, boys, we are back at it again later
this week when we'll give you our Super Bowl prediction,
break it down a little bit more in the football world,
and just have a ton of fun as we get
you all set for Super Bowl fifty nine. Down in
the buy you shout out to producer Connor always does
a bang up job for us, for Bobby Skinner, for
Justin Pennock. I am Chris Rose. We will see you
Friday here on Football Today. Presented to you by Captain Morgan,
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