January 1, 2025 • 44 mins
The Guys discuss the possible coaching and GM changes that could be on the horizon this Black Monday!
00:00 - Known GM and Head Coach Vacancies
13:03 - Red Hot Seat
20:25 - Warm Seat
35:31 - Luke Warm Seat
43:21 - Cool Seats
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to football Today. Wednesday, January first, twenty twenty five.
Welcome to the new year. Welcome to football today. I'm
bobys seeing from here with Justin Pennock. And guess what
we're gonna do New Year. We're gonna talk about people
who should be fired.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Shue geeesh.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I recommend you to be fired. I've already went to
Jimmy O'Brien otherwise known as John Boy, and I hope
you get fired. How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
This is our NFL Black Monday preview, Bobby Skinner and
everybody listening. I hope you had a happy New Year. Yeah.
So what we're gonna do is, we're gonna break this
down into a couple different categories. We're going to talk
about the coaching and GM vacancies that are already open.
So there's three of those. Uh, We're gonna break it
down also into four categories of there's going to be
(00:50):
coaches and gms that will probably be fired on Black Monday.
Whose seed is red hot? How about whose seed is warm?
Whose seat do we think is lukewarm? And then whose
job is basically safe? Who is on the cool side
of things? Out of all the coaches and possible gms
that could be fired. We're going to talk about almost
all of them. I will say my one little caveat
(01:12):
I I don't know the inner workings of every team's
GM position, but most teams are more ept and willing
to fire head coaches anyway rather than gms. And I
think we have a pretty good idea of what head
coaches and gms may be going.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, and I have opinions on some of these gms
as well too. So what do you want to start
off with? The open the open seats right now of
the Bears, Saints, and Jets.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, let's let's do that. So the Jets they fired
their head coach Robert Saal, they fired Joe Douglas in
the middle of the season, and I'll be honest getting
a little excited about Rex Ryan. I don't have like
specific names or or like a wish list for the Jets,
even though I don't think it's as as terrible of
a job as as people maybe make it seem to think.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
But I don't know, man, I feel like dealing with
Woody Johnson is like the stuff that comes out, and
I know Jets fans will push back and say, oh, this, Well,
there's clearly very dysfunctional issues there. You're gonna have to
make a decision on Aaron Rodgers. And even if you
do decide to move on, what's your answer at that position?
(02:18):
To me, this this is an undesirable spot, despite the
fact that that roster does have a good amount of
talent and young talent on it. I do find this
as an undesirable spot, and I have no clue what
direction they want to go. But they have, I mean,
they have sort of interviewing people because they're you know,
open and available. You know, they had you know, Jim
Nagy of the Senior Bowl, you know the old Falcons GM,
(02:42):
then you know head coaching Ron Rivera, you know Rex
Ryan Rumors. So they haven't been able to start interviewing
like the actual good candidates yet. But I just really
have no clue where which way it's going to go,
because Woody Johnson's at very unpredictable.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, the Woody Johnson side of it. I was mainly
thinking of the rosher because you have a possible future
left tackle that they drafted last year in Olu who's
shown kind of flashes this year. You have Breeze Hall,
you have Brylan Allen. You have Garrett Wilson, where if
Aaron Rodgers has moved on from I mean, this is
the report that you know was put out there that
if Aaron Rodgers stays, Garrett Wilson will request the trade.
(03:22):
And if he's gone, then yeah, that is true. You
could be like, no, you're going, You're on the New
York Jets. You're going to play here, which I respect
NFL teams kind of doing this pass offseason like the
Bengals on the forty nine ers Davante Adams and his
contract is he's still here. I don't think he's washed,
so I mean that's that's even.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Still he's still there, but he's not part of the
long term plan.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
There right right, But he's still there, you know. And
of course you have Quentin Williams is one of the
best interior defenders. You have Will McDonald that took a
step up and he's actually getting sacks and he's actually
looking really good. You have one of the best linebacker
groups in the NFL with like three good linebackers, and
then you also have Sauce Gardner in a solid set
Canary and you know, guys that are you're probably gonna
have to resign or bring back or negotiate with. But
(04:04):
I mean this, regardless of the owner. The owner is
a huge part of if a GM or a coach
would want to take a job, for sure, But I
don't know how you can look at that roster and
not get a little excited about what if you're a
coach and you're confident in your abilities, or if you're
a GM and your confident in your abilities, how can
you not maybe look at that be like I can
maybe do something with it. Well?
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Sure, but again, like we're not talking about just typical
bad ownership group. We're talking about whatoy Johnson might be
the worst owner. Yeah in the NFL, right, the only
one that could maybe argue with that is Dave Tepper.
And it's not to mean there there's other bad owners, right,
there's I think there's a bad owner in the same
city as them. But there is a different level to
the Woody Johnson part of this and the quarterback what's
(04:43):
the where's the quarterback answer coming for them? Because it's
probably it's not coming out of this draft because of
that roster talent. You don't see them bottoming out. You know,
what do you do with Aaron Rodgers, like, there's just
to me, it's not a it's not it's not if
I had my choice of this, I'm not. That's not
(05:04):
where I'm picking. I also just here's the other parts.
I don't Trustody Johnson to make the right decision either,
even if even if he does have good candidates that
are willing to go there. I want Rex Ryan Beck,
which is again that's like, that's a horrible hire, right,
it's going back to glory days of making to the
AFC Championships with Mark Sanchez. That that again, I people
(05:25):
have tried to rule that out and Jets slaying I
fall a lot of the Jets people and people I like,
you know, Connor Hughes, the bad Lands guys, some other
ones they like don't even want to entertain it. But
I'm telling you that Woody Johnson will entertain that because
that has been there, that has been their most successful.
He's you know, Rex Ryan has you know, been on
a little bit of a tour trying to get back
(05:47):
in there. I expect it to be something like that.
So I don't I don't have a lot of faith
in that organization as a whole. Let's talk about the
Saint stuff, because actually think the Saints are fascinating. Mickey
Loomis has been their GM since two thousand too. They
continuously just keep pushing the cap back and back and
back and just been in the no man's land since
(06:07):
Drew Brees left. Does this ownership group ever say we're
done with this and like it's time it's time to
start afresh.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
At least not yet, Like what what's the path forward?
Speaker 1 (06:21):
What is the path forward for the New Orleans Saints?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I don't know, like at least with the Jets. You know,
I mentioned the roster, and you know I mentioned like, oh, well,
you have Woody Johnson and the dynamic of the owner
and like bringing in like a restaurant. I have no
idea where they go.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
And I think the Saints don't have a terrible roster either, right.
The offensive line, uh, you know has have struggles at
a time, but you have young guys that you like
on there. You know, Chris o'lave is a really good piece.
He's just been so super health. You know, a lot
of health issues, concussions. Defensively, there's good talent, not a
lot on the front there, even though you know a
(07:00):
guy like Brian Berzi. But I don't think that roster
is super far off. I think that defense is capable
of being good in the here and now. And but again,
another quarterback, you know, dependent situation, what like what are
they gonna do? And Mickey Loomis has shown that he's
not gonna go the right way about this. I mean,
(07:21):
they paid Derek Carr a lot of money there, They
paid Derek Carr a lot of money to do to
do what you know exactly there. You know, I think
they lacked death at a lot of issues. It's just
when will the Saints decide that? And and this could
be Mickey Loomis too, that we're gonna stop pushing this
stuff down the road and we're going to try and
reset and put together like a four year plan here.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
They would need to be bad for like one or
like and I'm talking bad bad for like one or
two years to fully get back into a healthy cap
situation though.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, which I think they need to embrace at this
point because they're stuck in that. They're stuck in not
even they're barely stuck in the middle, they're in the
stuck in below average.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
So then you're going to hire a new head coach
who you're gonna be willingly understanding, is going to be
bad for his first two years. So that's why I
think they're just going to keep doing what they're doing,
which isn't great. But that's why it's like what you know,
Chris Rose and I talked about who's the most boring
NFL team even if they're not the worst. Right, the
Saints are not the worst team in the NFL. But
(08:25):
in terms of and Bobby, I know you're not like
a big storyline guy or intrigue guye, but like, really,
the Saints are the worst team in the NFL to
try and like pay attention to, like, you have to
convince me to want to pay attention to the Saints,
and you did for the first three weeks of the season.
Remember they were like the best team ever.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, they're put averaging forty five points per game. I
like that defense going into this year, and I think
if things didn't fall apart from them overall, that defense
still would be good. Yeah, but you know, the offense
just became a mess with one having Derek Carr, the
offensive line didn't perform the same way. The run game
hasn't been great in and then krys Olavey or she
(09:08):
he'd get injured.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, let's talk about the Bears.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, the Bears. So this is the one where usually
I'd be kind of against this, but it seems like
they're because everyone wants Ben Johnson. It seems like they're
the team that might actually attract Ben Johnson and Ben
Johnson wants to go there and work because they do
have a good amount of talent on that roster, not
most talented. Usually I would be clear cut saying, like
(09:32):
fire Ryan Poles. It's been three years, you're fining the
head coach that he came in with. This is not
a great situation to try and attract a head coach.
But it seems like there's real smoke with Ben Johnson
there where. I don't think Ryan Poles has done a
terrible job. I don't think he's done a very good job.
I think he's had some big mistake but I think
he's had some big wins too that I am actually
(09:54):
okay with them keeping Ryan Poles where I usually would
be against this situation, but at the same time, justin
they could also probably still get Ben Johnson and reset
the new GM and get someone that's a little more
on the same page. So to me, it's for the Bears.
It should be like whoever their number one candidate is,
(10:15):
and it's probably gonna Ben Johnson, Like I think it
should be Ben Johnson or Bust and they should work
back channels to figure out is he If he's willing
to come here with Ryan Poles, then then well we'll
stay with Bryan Poles. If not, if he has even
any doubts about that, then I'm canning Ryan Poles and
I'm going to cann Ryan Poles, though.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I was exactly going to ask you, are you Ben
Johnson or Bust? Or could you even buy into Ryan
Poles and Brian Flores went to Boston College together, and
Brian Flores could come over there from the other AFC
NFC North team.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
If that's their number one candidate, right if they if
they identify as their number one candidate and Brian Flores
is willing to do that, then yes, like they they are.
They they should be. They should be the number one
spot for a GM and head coach right that to me,
they have the most attractive spot in all of these positions.
(11:07):
And unless the Dallas Cowboys open up, yeah, like they
they're gonna have another top draft pick. They have young players,
Caleb Williams. I'm sure a lot of teams, you know,
guys still have belief in him. There's players that maybe
not performing the way that you want this year that
will be better down the road. I know Dj Moore
has kind of become a little bit of a sour spot,
(11:28):
but he's still a wide receiver one. In my opinion,
Romo Dunes that like and and the defense I think
is a few nice pieces away from still being a
top top group.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
So so I like the Bears. The Bears should be
the most desired vacancy in the so my if I
were the Bears, I would just let's make sure Ryan
Poles is not taking that part away from us.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, unless there's like a surprise, surprise opening. And I'm
talking about you know, like a Kyle Shanahan or a
Zach Taylor, which you know, hey, we we have four
categories spoiler or I have I have Zach Taylor and
Kyle Shanahan under the cool category that I think they're
very safe unless one of those jobs open up. The Bears,
I think is the most is the most desirable, it's
(12:16):
the only the only thing is that you have that
you have that GM. But I figure you're gonna be
given two years no matter what, maybe even three no
matter what because you have Caleb and you.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Have they're very patient too, so you're most likely going
to get three. Yeah. The issue is you may have
to hire a new GM one year in because of
how they get off.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
They're gonna no, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I don't think they would do that. The polls. No.
All right, so let's get into the possible vacancies justin.
What do we want to start with? First?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Uh, let's go to the warm section. But before we
do that, Bobby Skinner, I want to talk about hot.
Uh no, we're not. We are not passing over red hot.
So let's talk about red hot and then I'll talk
about something red hot. I have two names I have
for the Jacksonville Jaguars. I have Doug Peterson and I
have Trent balk the head coach at GM. I think
(13:08):
it's obvious that they're out. And I have Giants head
coach Brian Dable. I think those are two names or
two you know teams that those positions are absolutely red hot.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah. Absolutely, Obviously the Giants were a lot closer to
but the Jags. I mean, I think a lot of
people are surprised that these guys haven't been fired yet, correct.
I mean, there was there was rumors that, like Doug
Peterson's last game was going to be whatever. I can't
remember what game.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It was, the London game or one of the London games.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
That yeah, and yeah, I think it was like after
the first London game where it's like, yeah, they just
maybe they're not firing him because they don't want to
do it while they're in London, so they're gonna wait
till they come back to beautiful Jacksonville and do it.
But I think we all agree there. But at the
same time, I don't trust the cons like they may
keep Trent Balky.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, he's he's been there since twenty twenty one. His
overall record as GM is twenty five and forty two,
but his team he had.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Two seasons seasons and then two basically worse records in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
And he's won and one in the playoffs. And that
you know, that year came in twenty twenty two, where
that's the year that Trevor Lawrence obviously looked his best.
That was the first year with Doug Peterson. You know,
I don't know, man, I just I don't like the
I don't like the roster of that ball. He's built
that the defense is solid, and some of the draft
(14:32):
picks have have kind of worked. But look at the
offensive side of the ball and tell me outside of
the free agents that they've brought in and Brian Thomas Junior,
who have they drafted. That's like a true difference maker
for them. I think everything has been like trades and
free agent signings for them. I don't think he drafts
very well.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
No, no, now he got a great hit. Like you said,
I'm Brian Thomas Jr. Yeah, I don't either. And I
kind of hate the way that they draft, where they're
just like give me length, length and strength instead of
just like finding good players.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Now works for Brian Thomas, make the strength.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, But at the same time, Brian Thomas had great family.
I thought it was just like one little thing away
from becoming an elite player too. I just still surprised
that Brian Thomas fell that far, even if there was
some red flags. Just like, that's a good film and
he's six ' three and runs really fucking fast. So
like what what's what's what's the hold up here? So yeah,
(15:33):
and then with Doug Peterson, I don't hate Doug. I
just I think some of the same issues in Philly
are popping up where too many cooks in the kitchen?
Is he is he a leader of men, like it's
just falling apart and he's I think he's a solid
offensive mine, but I don't think he's a great offensive mine.
And I think he gets too stuck in some of
the stuff that he's doing, like forced reeting, even ingram
(15:55):
or whatever whatever it could be, instead of trying to
involve it. But I don't I don't hate Peterson. I mean,
the guy won a Super Bowl, but it just feels
like they have to start over there. But if they
if they fire Doug Peterson and not Balky though, Jacks
fans should be I rate yeah, like there should there
should be I'll join you. I'm like two hours south
of you. I'll join you. Like there needs to be
(16:17):
mass protests outside, you know, rip that you know, Jaguars
statue down or something.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, I I I put it as as red hot
thinking that they're that they're both gone. But if there's
a chance, if there's even a chance that Balky stays
that should not that should not be the case when
you just extended, when you just extended Trevor Lawrence, and
you're coming off of a four and twelve season, and
the AFC South, like AFC South, there's nowhere near where
(16:43):
we thought the AFC South could possibly be. The Titans
were not a frisky team like we thought that they
could be. The Colts were bad, you know, they they
just missed the playoffs, and the Texans are extremely vulnerable
this year even though they have a good record. So
this was this could have been a year where the
Jaguars could have been like, all right, well we're in
the playoffs and we're here and we're doing something. And
(17:05):
instead it's the opposite.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
For also, something that's come back to, like you have
the first overall pick and you say you're gonna take
Trayvon Walker. Oh, the traits, the trades, bet on the
trades and whenever, and when the film is clear, like, hey,
Aiden Hutchinson's a lot better than this, you know. And
then Sausa Gardner and Stingley, you know, Sauce was my
number one corner in that draft. Stingley was there but
he had some issues I had worried about, Like, but
(17:27):
we were just like Trayvon Walker can't be the correct
pick here, like Aiden Hutchinson should be it. And you see,
I know he got injured, but Aiden Hutchinson thriving. And
then Travon Walker is just kind of the same thing
he was at George even though he does get some.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Sacks, but double digit tackles back, that's that's a that's
a huge whiff on their part in my opinion, but
compared to the other guys, like it's it's a mess.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
And then the Giants. The Giants year three, they're three
and thirteen. Uh there, you know we've we broke down
thirty minutes on our most recent Talking Giants podcast. But
it seems like they're going to escape. Go Brian Dable.
They want to keep Joe Shane because they like to
give gms a long leash and don't want to turn
over everything that you have to turn over when you
get a new GM. They should be firing Joe Shane
(18:12):
justin Joe Shane has done a terrible job building this roster.
His resume after three years. If they do fire Brian
Dable is going to be bad roster, no quarterback, failed
head coach. That's a that's as bad as and worst
record in the NFL. That's as bad as a resume
as there is if you get a quarterback at sick.
But I don't know why people are just granting him
that he's going to get this quarterback, especially when he
(18:34):
gave you know, eighty two million dollars guaranteed to Daniel Jones.
So Joe Shane should absolutely be fired, but it seems
like Brian Dable's going to be the one to go. Dable,
I think there's a chance he gets another opportunity in
the NFL. I think there's a he can be a
good head coach. He won Coach of the Year a
couple of years ago, but with a bad roster, no quarterback,
(18:56):
I think his issues rise to the top, right, lack
of attention to detail, you know, not being too much
of a player's coach, where you know, there's a culture
of letting shit slide there, which I'm going to use
with uh, you know the Colts in the second. But
he's out, yeah, listen to let's get it, Yeah, let's
(19:16):
get let's get to warm, because I think that's what
the conversations are happening, but why don't you talk to
us about something?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
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Biby Skinner, you will be glad you did.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
You'll be glad you did. Let's talk about warm, justin
who we have in this category.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, So, I think this is where we start to
get a little bit different. I have two names in
my warm category. I'm confident in the first one, not
so confident the second one. I have Antonio Pierce's seat
as warm, and I also have the Patriots Drawdmeo's seat
as warm.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I also put the Colts in there, and I want
to talk about the Colts because that's where we differ.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
And I have Shane Steiken and Chris Ballard as.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Luke Warm agreed, and I think Chris Ballard is the
key there. He's been there since twenty seventeen. There have
a sixty one and sixty nine record, haven't made the
playoffs since twenty twenty. Has gotten an opportunity to after
quarterback and Anthony Richardson, which has failed pretty pretty miserably.
Even though there's talent there where you still have like
a little bit of hope for him. I do want
to talk about the Shane Steike in part of this.
(21:12):
I think I think they've got a clean house. I
think they've messed this up. I think they need a
total cultural h you know shift there. Pat McAfee, you know,
had a long post talking about it. It's time for
a change in Indianapolis.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I just don't think Ji Mersey like that's a tough
decision for a team. And I think Shane Steichen through
his first two years is going to finish seventeen and
seventeen with borderline below average and at times quarterback.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Play, yeah, bad quarterback play. Here's the thing with Stiking.
I think Stiking can be a really good coach in
the NFL. The issues, I think there's a culture of
letting shit slide. You know, you saw that with some
of the Pat McAfee stuff, mishandling of the quarterback spot.
And here's the thing we always got to remind ourselves
with offense coaches, there's more to the job than being
(22:03):
an offensive play caller. There's a lot more to the job.
And what was my big thing on why I didn't
rank Shane Stike in high in the our coach rankings
this offseason.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Because he kept Gus Bradley.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Keeping Gus Bradley is a sin. It's not a bad decision,
it was a.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Sin against the Giants where they dropped forty five on you.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
And you point back playoffs and to the Chris Ballard point.
Keeping Gus Bradley with this defense, this defensive talent is terrible.
It's terrible. You've you've You've drafted guys who are athletes
who have bad football instincts. You know, if I have to,
I can't believe Nick Cross is still playing for that team.
He's the worst instincts I've ever seen for NFL safety.
But boy is he athletic. I I think you you
(22:45):
have to let go of Chris Ballard and you can't
keep Shange Steiking. But here's what I'll say. I think
Shane Stikeen becomes one of the becomes a head coach
for another team next year if they do clean house here.
And I think that's the reason why they may not
do this is because they don't want to lose Shane
steik In. But I think Shane Steiken kind of if
you get the right quarterback in here, nice. But I
(23:07):
think Shane steichen himself may need a quick reset and
learn from his mistakes and not have a GM who's
forcing him to keep a defensive court. And again, Shane
Stikeen inherited Gus Bradley, so that was something from the
organization to keep him. And then you have a bad
year and he doesn't fire him, like I don't care
what if I want. I think Shane steike In probably
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would be better off in a different situation. And that's
why the Jags or the Colts may stay the course here.
But it seems like there's it's really a time for
change in Annianapolis.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Like you know, our guy Dalton Philly is a Colts fan.
You know, he put out a long tweet after you know,
he was there for that loss. He sat with me
in my seats, was there for that loss against the Giants.
And there are certain moves that he's like even for
going back at the quarterback position that Chris ballad has
made where he kind of attributed to like the Carson
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Wentz trade, kind of attributed that that was like a
that was like a Jim Ersay move, and the Matt
Ryan trade, well that was a Chris Ballard move. And hey,
that's familiar for me, and I think it's familiar if
you're a fan of a specific team. I don't think
that's a foreign concept. Where if you have an owner
stepping in that maybe wants to make a move or
wants you to be aggressive and a GM is more hesitant,
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or you have a GM that is more aggressive with
a certain move, so you know there's there's imbalance there
where there are some moves that it's a Jim Ersay move,
where it's a Frank Reich move, and then you have
other things that are Chris Ballard moves and Chris Ballard
decisions and and things like that. So there seems to
be in balance there. I don't know. Man, Like I
look at this offensive line and I say, this is
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it's still a damn good offensive line. And we know
that Ballard can get guys in here, and like, these
are guys that are drafting the second third and Day
three of the draft that can start and can play
for you. It's a pass rush that is decent. It's
not great, it's not good. I don't think there's any
above average players, but it's a good to solid pass
rush in the in the NFL today, so I look
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at it as you get you get Gus Bradley outing,
you have to fire Gus Bradley, you have to get
Gus Bradley out, you get a different defensive coordinator in there.
I think the moves that Anthony Rigson made sure it's
the second half the season is somewhat promising where he
could be your quarterback week one. It just sucks that
he gets injured and shit like that. But I think
that they run it back with what they got.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I think they end up what this ends up ends
up being, is they just push everything back of the
year and that we're in the same situation. I think
they're in the same exact situation next year.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah. I would just find it would just be a
shame that this coach that's seventeen and seventeen after two
years with awful quarterback play. I would say at times
it's been average, but more more or less awful quarterback
play with a defensive coordinator that seems like it was
forced upon him. It would be a shame if that
coach is fired after two years.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
I agree, listen, I agree with that point of it,
but it's time. It's time for a reset, because what
they're doing is they're just pushing this back a year
like they're not again Chris Ballat. I don't think it's
done a horrible job, but he certainly isn't. This team
that's brimming with talent, and it's just, oh my god,
it needs to be harnessed or we need to get
the quarterback. I think it's a really good offensive play
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caller with some good offensive talent, no quarterback, and a
defense with a to me which is clearly lacking a
lot of talent. I also think they made he made
a horrible decision by taking law too as the first
defensive player off the board in this most recent draft,
when I thought Jared Vers was a clearly better player.
They could have added Kenyon Mitchell if they wanted to
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go dB, and they went for the older, you know,
injury prone cross chop edge who can be a solid
player and I think will be, but not going to
be the impact that those guys are. So I think
it's time for a change to the other one. The
Patriots and Raiders both would be one and done's with
Jerrod Mayo and Antonio Appears. And I'll say this with
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Antonio appears, He's four and twelve this year, five and
fours as an interim head coach last year. I think
he's had missteps along the way. I mean had the
fire basically his entire offensive staff middle of the year,
and then bringing the Turner Northern Scott Turner. I'm not
pulling the plug on this yet. I think if you
hired this guy this this team lacks so much talent.
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We said it last year. It's like they are relying
so much on defensive coaching that that's just hard to do.
And then offensively like they just they have a terrible
quarterback situation. I'm not pulling the plug on this. I'd
at least at least like to see him. Maybe you
keep the Turners here for next year, figure out what
you're gonna do at quarterback, and you know, and just
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continue that talent. Right. You added Brock Bauers last year,
we went best best player available. A lot of people
probably mocked that, and guess what you've got to me
the best rookie performance of the year. So continue to
attack the draft with the best player available mindset, and
you give Antonio Peers in this staff another year, I
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think it'd be a shame for the roster with this
talent to pull the plug on the head coach because
I don't think there's I don't think there's many head
coaches who get this team more than five six wins.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, there are some pros and cons of Antonio Pierce.
I think the biggest con is that there just may
be better upgrades out there. There may be better upgrades
that want to come to the Las Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I agree, but then you shouldn't have. You shouldn't have
bought into the interim head coach hiring thing last year,
which again I don't think they should have, but if
you did, you need to at least stick that through
this through two years.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Another con is that even though after he fired the
offense coordinator, the quarterback coach, and the offensive line coach,
the offense did get better. Scott Turner his offense coordinators
a pseudo worked. I mean, you know, you with with
with the quarterback play, with the offensive line play. The
run game has been horrible to kind of start the year.
It's gotten a little bit better with the mirr Abdula.
Out of all people shout out Nebraska, you know, so
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I guess you could say, well, it's good consolation that
the kind of the people that he brought in in
the second half got a little bit better. But also
now those are three very important positions that he now
needs to find, and you know, getting a staff together
as a head coach is a very important thing. But
the pros for Antonio Piers, I think Mark Davis may
be tired of the constant turnover a ton of head coaches.
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In a span of a decade. There were thirteen players
on IR and a good amount of them were contributes,
especially on the defensive side of the ball. So that's
I think he stays. I would put his seat as warm.
Players have kind of showed up for him and played well,
and I do think I just think that I do
think that by this time next year, Antonio Peers is
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going to be fired. That's kind of why I would
just kind of do it now. But you did kind
of make your bed. They may lie in it.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
But I think Antonio Piers can work as an NFLI
head cards. This isn't someone I think is totally He's
made mistakes along the way, right, some immaturity early in
the season with the whole Devonte Adams part of this,
But I think he is trying to build a culture there,
and like, you can't give him a roster that's just
not talented, And then like, well, why didn't you do
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more than this? Like if they had won one to
two games, which this roster was capable of winning one
two games, then maybe maybe you're there. But I'm giving
Antonio Pierce another year now. Another guy who I'm not
going to give another year is the Patriots and girod
Mayo worst record in the NFL three and thirteen. The
other part of this is that they don't have a
true GM, even though Elliott Wolf is their de facto GM.
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But this organization needs a reset. Okay, they are too
reliant on the crafts. The crafts are smelling themselves, and
they have hired puppets for them. You know, girod Mao
has clearly been that for them. You know, they didn't
do a coaching search, they just hired him, you know,
the day or whatever after they Bill Belichick was gone.
I hate one and done. But this defense has fallen
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off without Bills, which was something that people try to
just write in like, well, the Patriots had a good defense.
Well they're also losing the greatest defensive mind the NFL
has ever seen the best head coach of all time
and Bill Belichick, Uh, he doesn't handle the day to
day stuff well at all. I think he hasn't built
a good culture. I think he's thrown people under the bus.
And when you have a guy like Drake may you
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need the offensive coach to go with him. I'm out
on Draw Mayo. I think he should be a one
and done. And you talk about Antonio Pierce, maybe not
should be the hired last year, Fine, but at least
you had something to go off with it. Draw Mayo was.
We didn't. We didn't even look at other candidates. We
just we just hired him and didn't even think about
hiring anybody else because we thought this was a you know,
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plan and waiting type thing. So yeah, I want you
Mayo out there. I think New England deserves a lot better.
But I also think the Crafts need to stop smelling
themselves and realize they're not the reason for all those
championships and they need to put someone in place who's
going to run everything. There.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Vibes are weird there, you know, with the whole Then
this is the second time or this has happened this
year where there's pregame reports of and I think the
first time this happened it was the Dolphins game where
the Patriots were home playing the Dolphins. Ramadre Stevenson is
being bench for Antonio Gibson. Okay, Ramadre Stevenson then goes
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out against the Dolphins and has a great game and
has more carries and more touches. We here on NFL
Network this past Sunday were with our own very own
Chris Rose. Antonio Gibson's going to get the start, first
couple of plays of the game. Romadre Stevenson's getting the ball.
What's going on? What's going on? Grod Mayo after the
game is asked about it. Coach's decision. Bro, you're the coach, man,
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Like you're the coach, how was gonna at your explanation?
Coach's decision? And like you're the coach, you don't have
anything to say on it. We were there in training
camp to Bobby and I kind of hate to use this.
Practices were horrible. They got very little accomplish There is
a lot of standing around, and we were literally able
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to compare it because they were having a joint practice
with the Eagles. So it's not like, Okay, this is
just what NFL teams do, you know, NFLPA the rules,
blah blah blah. We're watching one team, the Philadelphia Eagles,
a good football team. Practice, be active, they're talking, they're communicating,
they're they're constantly drilling. There's constant coaching going on with
the coaches and players and bah blah blah. And then
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we see the Patriots on the other side and they're
standing around. They're standing around, And compare that to our giants,
which we see every year. We think Brian Dable, If
Brian Dable runs a country club practice, I don't know
what Geron Mao runs. And then whenever they make a mistake,
he has them running laps for fifteen minutes, which takes
away from the practice time that you only get an
hour and a half every day anyway. So, yeah, the
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vibes are weird there. Obviously, if you're hey, if you're
gonna say the talent's not good for the for the
Las Vegas Raiders, the talent is certainly not good.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
But it's better and they've resigned a lot of those
defensive players they've resigned, you know, and we're not going
the talent's.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Better defensive maybe maybe in new way it is better.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
And again it's guys that they resigned. We're not talking
about guys who are maybe a little better, but they're here,
Like they resigned half that defense before the season. I
know they lost bear more and but you know they yeah,
they traded Judah, but they got Gonzalez back, who's a
real deal corner like that, that team is a better
team with Belichick and and having may But again.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Their problems also extend way past Drawd Mayo because this
year's they showed this year's draft class like side by side,
but the Chargers draft class, and and you know, think
of how barren that Chargers roster was. And they even
showed that trade where the Lodd mcconkee trade where it's like,
oh my god, and it was trade they did the
trade with the Patriots where it was like, oh my god,
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like this is.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
This is a horrible, horrible.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Draft class that you just produced outside of Drake may horrible.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, and just a horrible planet offensive line going into
the season. Uh Now, I think the Patriots are a
team that should be trying to make a run at
Ben Johnson as well too.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
No way he would want to know why not.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Why not come in there with the new GM. They again, they.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
They're not going to get a new GM.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
But I think that's a mistake on their on there.
They're not because because I think they have enough to
They're gonna have the there's the most look of the
first overall pick that they could they could have Drake
May maybe either the best player in the draft or
you know, multiple picks. I think that's a spot that
I can get them. So any so we hit Warm, Lukewarm,
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I got the Browns and Cowboys. Who do you got?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah? So I again, I put Lukewarm as Shane Stiken
and Chris Ballard. I only had two. I only had
two names as my Warm, which was the Raiders and
the Pats. So my Lukewarm, I have three more people.
I have Mike McCarthy, I have Kevin Stefanski and Andrew
Berry kind of like that package deal in Cleveland there
head coaching GM, and I also have Todd Bowls and
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we'll talk about that. But where do you want to start?
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I want to talk about the Cowboys. They shouldn't fire
Mike McCarthy, correct, I mean you went seven to nine
this year, missing Dak you didn't add any talent this offseason.
You went twelve and five three years in a row.
You didn't fire them after last year's playoff debacle. You
lost Dan Quinn, the defense was injured all year. I
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think he's done a pretty bang up job with that
what he was dealt with this year.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I want to check where they are defensively in EPA
per play because because Ron Rivera seems like a decent
higher they're they're twenty eighth, but they're yeah, they're they're
they're so bad personnel life there. Oh what did I say, Mike,
Mike Zimmer, That's what I'm sorry, Excuse me, Yeah, twenty
eighth and EPA per play, but they're all it's their
Their past defense is actually decent, above average. They're just
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so bad run defense wise, But I think that's a
personnel issue. I don't know. I'm not necessarily going to
really put all of them on make zimber. They're just
so bad interior. You know, they lost Michael park Is
for a good Man of the Year. Their interior defensive
line is horrible. Mozzie Smith is a complete bust. Their
linebacker situation has not been great. I think they've lost
to marve On overshown to another season ending injury when
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he was having a solid year. So yeah, that personnelage
just really, really bad. So the only case, the only
case in which I see Mike McCarthy maybe leaving, And
you brought this up, but I don't think. I think
Jerry Jones is loyal and sometimes loyal to a fault, right.
The only case in which Mike McCarthy leaves is if
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there is another sexy name that comes in and you've
talked about this, Bobby.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I thought they were going to be the Bill spot.
I wanted Bill. I wanted Bill there. Once Bill went
off the market, I said, doubt Cowboys, SA.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Bill's not off the market. Bill Belichick is not off
the market.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
He has eight million dollar buyout.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
He doesn't want to be in un sing. He wants
a son to get that UNC job. That's what he wants.
Bill Belichick wants to be in the NFL. I cannot
see Bill Belichick sitting in a seventeen and eighteen year
old house in doing this a lot.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
I don't know why everyone says that acts like Bill
Belichick doesn't like the grimy parts of the jobs. The
guy in his off here took ten media jobs and
the guy had no interest in doing media when he
was a coach.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Okay, that's different.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
That's so here's the thing is let Bill go and
you and that's I think it's another reason why to
keep McCarthy go again next year if Bill wants, if
you want to buy out Bill at that point, then
you can move off of McCarthy. But unless you know that,
they're what what else did you want Mike McCarthy to
do with all the circumstances he was done with this year.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
And they fought and they didn't you know, they fought
and Dak went down and they started winning more games
and started the Ceedee Lamb is still banged up in
the running back situation is terrible. Yeah, So that's why
I put him as as lukewarm. Were originally a couple
of weeks ago or even earlier, earlier in the season,
he's warm or even red hot, but now he's down
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to luke warm. I I just don't think there's enough buzz.
I know, his contracts up, so they need to negotiate
a contract no matter what. But I think that's going
to be more or less on does Mike McCarthy want
to come back because I think Jerry Jones would want
him to come back, right, And if you're Mike McCarthy,
where else do you want to go?
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Noh, Mike McCarthy's not going to It's either Mike McCarthy
gets fired.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Or were Likeking retires. He's not going to retire.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yeah, not fired, but like intentionally the boys just said
I'd go away. Yeah, all right, let's see what else
the Browns. Here's the thing with the Browns. Stefanasy has
been forty and forty three as a head coach, two
winning seasons in a playoff win that goes a long
way in Cleveland. The Deshaun Watson contract and acquisition is
the worst decision ever made in NFL history. Yes, but
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here's the issue is I'm actually making them live with
it for a little bit because you have to deal
with this for the next two years. So like that's
what's going to be sexy about this job, to come
and deal with it. Well, you got to deal with
this Deshaun Watson contract for two years.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
After covering the Browns knowing that, Oh I'm knowing that.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yeah, be it terrible. So I'm I'm just keeping them
for another year just because it's like, I'm making you
you two live with this that sucks man.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
That like if if I'm a Browns fan and like,
and I feel like as just an NFL fan, anybody
that had anything to do with that Deshaun Watson decision
needs to be fired because I don't care. I don't
care the roster that you've built, I don't care what
your past success is. I'm even mad at Kevin Stefanski
from going away from his identity as a head coach
where he used to be. We're gonna, you know, he
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used to be almost like forty nine ers in Baltimore Ravens.
If we're gonna run the damn ball and we're gonna
be aggressive, and that's what that's our identity. And then
they trade for Watson and it's like, all right, well
now we're now we're an eleven personnel team and we're
gonna take away any any kind of foundational identity that
we had as a team. We're taking it away now,
all for this guy who sucks. So I want anybody
who was associated with that decision, I want them fired.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
But me too, But like I said, I'm kind of
punishing them by making them live with that.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yeah, and what is the new guy gonna do? What
is a new guy gonna come in and do? Yeah,
you gotta live with it for another year.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
And you do with like what the Texans did, where
you get a GM like, hey, this is a five
year plan. Let's get a David Coley Lovey Smith type
head coach to deal with this for two years and
then well, if it's if he surprised us sick. If not,
we'll fire him and then you'll get a head coaching
higher man. But even then, like, I'm just kind of
making them live with this. Uh cool, what I didn't
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put any whoa whoa go ahead?
Speaker 2 (41:23):
We got to talk about Todd Bowles, and it's very
simple for me. I like Todd Bowles. I think he's
actually done a very good job of even when Dave
Canalis left this past.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Year, I think he's better than Dave Canalis.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Hired an offense coordinator who i've Liam Cohen, who I
view as better than Dave Canals, even though Canals is
doing a good job in Carolina. But a guy that's
better than Dave Canalis because he has a run game
that's better and you know, helping out Baker Mayfield on
early downs and Liam Cohen's done a really good job
of dealing with adversity when it comes to injuries on
his offense, and Baker continues to look good. So if
you don't want to lose Liam Cohen, which I you know,
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maybe you could trust Todd Bowles and you you were
mentioned to me before the show that Bruce Arians is
still like in that front office.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Yeah they're not. They're not doing that if Bruce Arians
is still working there.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
But you know, just plucking these you can't offensive coordinators
like this don't necessarily just grow on trees. Do they
make the decision to let Todd Bowles go because you
don't want to lose Liam Collen.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
They did that. This same GM did that Jason Lake
with fired Lovey Smith and kept Dirt Cutter and upgraded
him after James's rookie year. I don't think it's the
worst thing in the world, but this just it's just
not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen with Bruce Arians
being a part of that organization. And if they don't
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collapse this week, they're going to be in the playoffs.
And I think they're a team that can be free
and they're just not gonna They're not gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
If they have a first round exit in the playoffs, No,
I don't think so. And their defense gives up thirty
five points and they score thirty two points against U
the Vikings of the Lions or whatever team, well, they
would be a division winner still playing a wild card team.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Not happening with Bruce Arians in that building.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Okay, we'll say that that's the the really the only
name on this list out of everybody that we're talking about,
like everybody everybody expected us to talk about Shane Styke
and Mike McCarthy, Gerrodmeo and you know, Doug Peterson out
of all, Like, I think that's the that's the most
interesting name. Like, oh, I never thought of that. That
a lout of all the names that we talked about.
(43:24):
So all right, cool, I'm gonna be quick about this.
Like I think I already mentioned this. I think Zach Taylor,
Kyle Shanahan, and I'm also putting Brian Callahan's name in this.
I think their jobs are safe. I don't think Callahan's
gonna be a one and done. I really don't. I
don't buy into Kyle Shanahan his job being a jeopardy
in San fran even if there is some discontent there,
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I think him and John Lynch will just work together
too well. And then Zach Taylor, I don't know what
they're gonna do. Like I was, I have some Bengals
fans of my replies, which I'm surprised to see that
I have Bengals fans of my replies saying that Zach
Taylor does don't want to get rid of Luin and Rumo.
I think you kind of have to at this point.
So but I think there's their jobs are safe.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Ah, all right, that's an episode that was football. We'll
see you on Friday for a little bit of a
little bit of preview show. Thank you all for listening.
Hope you have a happy new Year. We'll see you then.
Until then, this is Football Today.
Welcome to football Today. Wednesday, January first, twenty twenty five.
Welcome to the new year. Welcome to football today. I'm
bobys seeing from here with Justin Pennock. And guess what
we're gonna do New Year. We're gonna talk about people
who should be fired.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Shue geeesh.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I recommend you to be fired. I've already went to
Jimmy O'Brien otherwise known as John Boy, and I hope
you get fired. How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
This is our NFL Black Monday preview, Bobby Skinner and
everybody listening. I hope you had a happy New Year. Yeah.
So what we're gonna do is, we're gonna break this
down into a couple different categories. We're going to talk
about the coaching and GM vacancies that are already open.
So there's three of those. Uh, We're gonna break it
down also into four categories of there's going to be
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coaches and gms that will probably be fired on Black Monday.
Whose seed is red hot? How about whose seed is warm?
Whose seat do we think is lukewarm? And then whose
job is basically safe? Who is on the cool side
of things? Out of all the coaches and possible gms
that could be fired. We're going to talk about almost
all of them. I will say my one little caveat
(01:12):
I I don't know the inner workings of every team's
GM position, but most teams are more ept and willing
to fire head coaches anyway rather than gms. And I
think we have a pretty good idea of what head
coaches and gms may be going.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, and I have opinions on some of these gms
as well too. So what do you want to start
off with? The open the open seats right now of
the Bears, Saints, and Jets.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, let's let's do that. So the Jets they fired
their head coach Robert Saal, they fired Joe Douglas in
the middle of the season, and I'll be honest getting
a little excited about Rex Ryan. I don't have like
specific names or or like a wish list for the Jets,
even though I don't think it's as as terrible of
a job as as people maybe make it seem to think.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
But I don't know, man, I feel like dealing with
Woody Johnson is like the stuff that comes out, and
I know Jets fans will push back and say, oh, this, Well,
there's clearly very dysfunctional issues there. You're gonna have to
make a decision on Aaron Rodgers. And even if you
do decide to move on, what's your answer at that position?
(02:18):
To me, this this is an undesirable spot, despite the
fact that that roster does have a good amount of
talent and young talent on it. I do find this
as an undesirable spot, and I have no clue what
direction they want to go. But they have, I mean,
they have sort of interviewing people because they're you know,
open and available. You know, they had you know, Jim
Nagy of the Senior Bowl, you know the old Falcons GM,
(02:42):
then you know head coaching Ron Rivera, you know Rex
Ryan Rumors. So they haven't been able to start interviewing
like the actual good candidates yet. But I just really
have no clue where which way it's going to go,
because Woody Johnson's at very unpredictable.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, the Woody Johnson side of it. I was mainly
thinking of the rosher because you have a possible future
left tackle that they drafted last year in Olu who's
shown kind of flashes this year. You have Breeze Hall,
you have Brylan Allen. You have Garrett Wilson, where if
Aaron Rodgers has moved on from I mean, this is
the report that you know was put out there that
if Aaron Rodgers stays, Garrett Wilson will request the trade.
(03:22):
And if he's gone, then yeah, that is true. You
could be like, no, you're going, You're on the New
York Jets. You're going to play here, which I respect
NFL teams kind of doing this pass offseason like the
Bengals on the forty nine ers Davante Adams and his
contract is he's still here. I don't think he's washed,
so I mean that's that's even.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Still he's still there, but he's not part of the
long term plan.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
There right right, But he's still there, you know. And
of course you have Quentin Williams is one of the
best interior defenders. You have Will McDonald that took a
step up and he's actually getting sacks and he's actually
looking really good. You have one of the best linebacker
groups in the NFL with like three good linebackers, and
then you also have Sauce Gardner in a solid set
Canary and you know, guys that are you're probably gonna
have to resign or bring back or negotiate with. But
(04:04):
I mean this, regardless of the owner. The owner is
a huge part of if a GM or a coach
would want to take a job, for sure, But I
don't know how you can look at that roster and
not get a little excited about what if you're a
coach and you're confident in your abilities, or if you're
a GM and your confident in your abilities, how can
you not maybe look at that be like I can
maybe do something with it. Well?
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Sure, but again, like we're not talking about just typical
bad ownership group. We're talking about whatoy Johnson might be
the worst owner. Yeah in the NFL, right, the only
one that could maybe argue with that is Dave Tepper.
And it's not to mean there there's other bad owners, right,
there's I think there's a bad owner in the same
city as them. But there is a different level to
the Woody Johnson part of this and the quarterback what's
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the where's the quarterback answer coming for them? Because it's
probably it's not coming out of this draft because of
that roster talent. You don't see them bottoming out. You know,
what do you do with Aaron Rodgers, like, there's just
to me, it's not a it's not it's not if
I had my choice of this, I'm not. That's not
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where I'm picking. I also just here's the other parts.
I don't Trustody Johnson to make the right decision either,
even if even if he does have good candidates that
are willing to go there. I want Rex Ryan Beck,
which is again that's like, that's a horrible hire, right,
it's going back to glory days of making to the
AFC Championships with Mark Sanchez. That that again, I people
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have tried to rule that out and Jets slaying I
fall a lot of the Jets people and people I like,
you know, Connor Hughes, the bad Lands guys, some other
ones they like don't even want to entertain it. But
I'm telling you that Woody Johnson will entertain that because
that has been there, that has been their most successful.
He's you know, Rex Ryan has you know, been on
a little bit of a tour trying to get back
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in there. I expect it to be something like that.
So I don't I don't have a lot of faith
in that organization as a whole. Let's talk about the
Saint stuff, because actually think the Saints are fascinating. Mickey
Loomis has been their GM since two thousand too. They
continuously just keep pushing the cap back and back and
back and just been in the no man's land since
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Drew Brees left. Does this ownership group ever say we're
done with this and like it's time it's time to
start afresh.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
At least not yet, Like what what's the path forward?
Speaker 1 (06:21):
What is the path forward for the New Orleans Saints?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I don't know, like at least with the Jets. You know,
I mentioned the roster, and you know I mentioned like, oh, well,
you have Woody Johnson and the dynamic of the owner
and like bringing in like a restaurant. I have no
idea where they go.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
And I think the Saints don't have a terrible roster either, right.
The offensive line, uh, you know has have struggles at
a time, but you have young guys that you like
on there. You know, Chris o'lave is a really good piece.
He's just been so super health. You know, a lot
of health issues, concussions. Defensively, there's good talent, not a
lot on the front there, even though you know a
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guy like Brian Berzi. But I don't think that roster
is super far off. I think that defense is capable
of being good in the here and now. And but again,
another quarterback, you know, dependent situation, what like what are
they gonna do? And Mickey Loomis has shown that he's
not gonna go the right way about this. I mean,
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they paid Derek Carr a lot of money there, They
paid Derek Carr a lot of money to do to
do what you know exactly there. You know, I think
they lacked death at a lot of issues. It's just
when will the Saints decide that? And and this could
be Mickey Loomis too, that we're gonna stop pushing this
stuff down the road and we're going to try and
reset and put together like a four year plan here.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
They would need to be bad for like one or
like and I'm talking bad bad for like one or
two years to fully get back into a healthy cap
situation though.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, which I think they need to embrace at this
point because they're stuck in that. They're stuck in not
even they're barely stuck in the middle, they're in the
stuck in below average.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
So then you're going to hire a new head coach
who you're gonna be willingly understanding, is going to be
bad for his first two years. So that's why I
think they're just going to keep doing what they're doing,
which isn't great. But that's why it's like what you know,
Chris Rose and I talked about who's the most boring
NFL team even if they're not the worst. Right, the
Saints are not the worst team in the NFL. But
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in terms of and Bobby, I know you're not like
a big storyline guy or intrigue guye, but like, really,
the Saints are the worst team in the NFL to
try and like pay attention to, like, you have to
convince me to want to pay attention to the Saints,
and you did for the first three weeks of the season.
Remember they were like the best team ever.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, they're put averaging forty five points per game. I
like that defense going into this year, and I think
if things didn't fall apart from them overall, that defense
still would be good. Yeah, but you know, the offense
just became a mess with one having Derek Carr, the
offensive line didn't perform the same way. The run game
hasn't been great in and then krys Olavey or she
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he'd get injured.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, let's talk about the Bears.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, the Bears. So this is the one where usually
I'd be kind of against this, but it seems like
they're because everyone wants Ben Johnson. It seems like they're
the team that might actually attract Ben Johnson and Ben
Johnson wants to go there and work because they do
have a good amount of talent on that roster, not
most talented. Usually I would be clear cut saying, like
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fire Ryan Poles. It's been three years, you're fining the
head coach that he came in with. This is not
a great situation to try and attract a head coach.
But it seems like there's real smoke with Ben Johnson
there where. I don't think Ryan Poles has done a
terrible job. I don't think he's done a very good job.
I think he's had some big mistake but I think
he's had some big wins too that I am actually
(09:54):
okay with them keeping Ryan Poles where I usually would
be against this situation, but at the same time, justin
they could also probably still get Ben Johnson and reset
the new GM and get someone that's a little more
on the same page. So to me, it's for the Bears.
It should be like whoever their number one candidate is,
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and it's probably gonna Ben Johnson, Like I think it
should be Ben Johnson or Bust and they should work
back channels to figure out is he If he's willing
to come here with Ryan Poles, then then well we'll
stay with Bryan Poles. If not, if he has even
any doubts about that, then I'm canning Ryan Poles and
I'm going to cann Ryan Poles, though.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I was exactly going to ask you, are you Ben
Johnson or Bust? Or could you even buy into Ryan
Poles and Brian Flores went to Boston College together, and
Brian Flores could come over there from the other AFC
NFC North team.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
If that's their number one candidate, right if they if
they identify as their number one candidate and Brian Flores
is willing to do that, then yes, like they they are.
They they should be. They should be the number one
spot for a GM and head coach right that to me,
they have the most attractive spot in all of these positions.
(11:07):
And unless the Dallas Cowboys open up, yeah, like they
they're gonna have another top draft pick. They have young players,
Caleb Williams. I'm sure a lot of teams, you know,
guys still have belief in him. There's players that maybe
not performing the way that you want this year that
will be better down the road. I know Dj Moore
has kind of become a little bit of a sour spot,
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but he's still a wide receiver one. In my opinion,
Romo Dunes that like and and the defense I think
is a few nice pieces away from still being a
top top group.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
So so I like the Bears. The Bears should be
the most desired vacancy in the so my if I
were the Bears, I would just let's make sure Ryan
Poles is not taking that part away from us.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, unless there's like a surprise, surprise opening. And I'm
talking about you know, like a Kyle Shanahan or a
Zach Taylor, which you know, hey, we we have four
categories spoiler or I have I have Zach Taylor and
Kyle Shanahan under the cool category that I think they're
very safe unless one of those jobs open up. The Bears,
I think is the most is the most desirable, it's
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the only the only thing is that you have that
you have that GM. But I figure you're gonna be
given two years no matter what, maybe even three no
matter what because you have Caleb and you.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Have they're very patient too, so you're most likely going
to get three. Yeah. The issue is you may have
to hire a new GM one year in because of
how they get off.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
They're gonna no, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I don't think they would do that. The polls. No.
All right, so let's get into the possible vacancies justin.
What do we want to start with? First?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Uh, let's go to the warm section. But before we
do that, Bobby Skinner, I want to talk about hot.
Uh no, we're not. We are not passing over red hot.
So let's talk about red hot and then I'll talk
about something red hot. I have two names I have
for the Jacksonville Jaguars. I have Doug Peterson and I
have Trent balk the head coach at GM. I think
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it's obvious that they're out. And I have Giants head
coach Brian Dable. I think those are two names or
two you know teams that those positions are absolutely red hot.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah. Absolutely, Obviously the Giants were a lot closer to
but the Jags. I mean, I think a lot of
people are surprised that these guys haven't been fired yet, correct.
I mean, there was there was rumors that, like Doug
Peterson's last game was going to be whatever. I can't
remember what game.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It was, the London game or one of the London games.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
That yeah, and yeah, I think it was like after
the first London game where it's like, yeah, they just
maybe they're not firing him because they don't want to
do it while they're in London, so they're gonna wait
till they come back to beautiful Jacksonville and do it.
But I think we all agree there. But at the
same time, I don't trust the cons like they may
keep Trent Balky.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, he's he's been there since twenty twenty one. His
overall record as GM is twenty five and forty two,
but his team he had.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Two seasons seasons and then two basically worse records in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
And he's won and one in the playoffs. And that
you know, that year came in twenty twenty two, where
that's the year that Trevor Lawrence obviously looked his best.
That was the first year with Doug Peterson. You know,
I don't know, man, I just I don't like the
I don't like the roster of that ball. He's built
that the defense is solid, and some of the draft
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picks have have kind of worked. But look at the
offensive side of the ball and tell me outside of
the free agents that they've brought in and Brian Thomas Junior,
who have they drafted. That's like a true difference maker
for them. I think everything has been like trades and
free agent signings for them. I don't think he drafts
very well.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
No, no, now he got a great hit. Like you said,
I'm Brian Thomas Jr. Yeah, I don't either. And I
kind of hate the way that they draft, where they're
just like give me length, length and strength instead of
just like finding good players.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Now works for Brian Thomas, make the strength.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, But at the same time, Brian Thomas had great family.
I thought it was just like one little thing away
from becoming an elite player too. I just still surprised
that Brian Thomas fell that far, even if there was
some red flags. Just like, that's a good film and
he's six ' three and runs really fucking fast. So
like what what's what's what's the hold up here? So yeah,
(15:33):
and then with Doug Peterson, I don't hate Doug. I
just I think some of the same issues in Philly
are popping up where too many cooks in the kitchen?
Is he is he a leader of men, like it's
just falling apart and he's I think he's a solid
offensive mine, but I don't think he's a great offensive mine.
And I think he gets too stuck in some of
the stuff that he's doing, like forced reeting, even ingram
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or whatever whatever it could be, instead of trying to
involve it. But I don't I don't hate Peterson. I mean,
the guy won a Super Bowl, but it just feels
like they have to start over there. But if they
if they fire Doug Peterson and not Balky though, Jacks
fans should be I rate yeah, like there should there
should be I'll join you. I'm like two hours south
of you. I'll join you. Like there needs to be
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mass protests outside, you know, rip that you know, Jaguars
statue down or something.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, I I I put it as as red hot
thinking that they're that they're both gone. But if there's
a chance, if there's even a chance that Balky stays
that should not that should not be the case when
you just extended, when you just extended Trevor Lawrence, and
you're coming off of a four and twelve season, and
the AFC South, like AFC South, there's nowhere near where
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we thought the AFC South could possibly be. The Titans
were not a frisky team like we thought that they
could be. The Colts were bad, you know, they they
just missed the playoffs, and the Texans are extremely vulnerable
this year even though they have a good record. So
this was this could have been a year where the
Jaguars could have been like, all right, well we're in
the playoffs and we're here and we're doing something. And
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instead it's the opposite.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
For also, something that's come back to, like you have
the first overall pick and you say you're gonna take
Trayvon Walker. Oh, the traits, the trades, bet on the
trades and whenever, and when the film is clear, like, hey,
Aiden Hutchinson's a lot better than this, you know. And
then Sausa Gardner and Stingley, you know, Sauce was my
number one corner in that draft. Stingley was there but
he had some issues I had worried about, Like, but
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we were just like Trayvon Walker can't be the correct
pick here, like Aiden Hutchinson should be it. And you see,
I know he got injured, but Aiden Hutchinson thriving. And
then Travon Walker is just kind of the same thing
he was at George even though he does get some.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Sacks, but double digit tackles back, that's that's a that's
a huge whiff on their part in my opinion, but
compared to the other guys, like it's it's a mess.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
And then the Giants. The Giants year three, they're three
and thirteen. Uh there, you know we've we broke down
thirty minutes on our most recent Talking Giants podcast. But
it seems like they're going to escape. Go Brian Dable.
They want to keep Joe Shane because they like to
give gms a long leash and don't want to turn
over everything that you have to turn over when you
get a new GM. They should be firing Joe Shane
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justin Joe Shane has done a terrible job building this roster.
His resume after three years. If they do fire Brian
Dable is going to be bad roster, no quarterback, failed
head coach. That's a that's as bad as and worst
record in the NFL. That's as bad as a resume
as there is if you get a quarterback at sick.
But I don't know why people are just granting him
that he's going to get this quarterback, especially when he
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gave you know, eighty two million dollars guaranteed to Daniel Jones.
So Joe Shane should absolutely be fired, but it seems
like Brian Dable's going to be the one to go. Dable,
I think there's a chance he gets another opportunity in
the NFL. I think there's a he can be a
good head coach. He won Coach of the Year a
couple of years ago, but with a bad roster, no quarterback,
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I think his issues rise to the top, right, lack
of attention to detail, you know, not being too much
of a player's coach, where you know, there's a culture
of letting shit slide there, which I'm going to use
with uh, you know the Colts in the second. But
he's out, yeah, listen to let's get it, Yeah, let's
(19:16):
get let's get to warm, because I think that's what
the conversations are happening, but why don't you talk to
us about something?
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Biby Skinner, you will be glad you did.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
You'll be glad you did. Let's talk about warm, justin
who we have in this category.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, So, I think this is where we start to
get a little bit different. I have two names in
my warm category. I'm confident in the first one, not
so confident the second one. I have Antonio Pierce's seat
as warm, and I also have the Patriots Drawdmeo's seat
as warm.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I also put the Colts in there, and I want
to talk about the Colts because that's where we differ.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
And I have Shane Steiken and Chris Ballard as.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Luke Warm agreed, and I think Chris Ballard is the
key there. He's been there since twenty seventeen. There have
a sixty one and sixty nine record, haven't made the
playoffs since twenty twenty. Has gotten an opportunity to after
quarterback and Anthony Richardson, which has failed pretty pretty miserably.
Even though there's talent there where you still have like
a little bit of hope for him. I do want
to talk about the Shane Steike in part of this.
(21:12):
I think I think they've got a clean house. I
think they've messed this up. I think they need a
total cultural h you know shift there. Pat McAfee, you know,
had a long post talking about it. It's time for
a change in Indianapolis.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I just don't think Ji Mersey like that's a tough
decision for a team. And I think Shane Steichen through
his first two years is going to finish seventeen and
seventeen with borderline below average and at times quarterback.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Play, yeah, bad quarterback play. Here's the thing with Stiking.
I think Stiking can be a really good coach in
the NFL. The issues, I think there's a culture of
letting shit slide. You know, you saw that with some
of the Pat McAfee stuff, mishandling of the quarterback spot.
And here's the thing we always got to remind ourselves
with offense coaches, there's more to the job than being
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an offensive play caller. There's a lot more to the job.
And what was my big thing on why I didn't
rank Shane Stike in high in the our coach rankings
this offseason.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Because he kept Gus Bradley.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Keeping Gus Bradley is a sin. It's not a bad decision,
it was a.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Sin against the Giants where they dropped forty five on you.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
And you point back playoffs and to the Chris Ballard point.
Keeping Gus Bradley with this defense, this defensive talent is terrible.
It's terrible. You've you've You've drafted guys who are athletes
who have bad football instincts. You know, if I have to,
I can't believe Nick Cross is still playing for that team.
He's the worst instincts I've ever seen for NFL safety.
But boy is he athletic. I I think you you
(22:45):
have to let go of Chris Ballard and you can't
keep Shange Steiking. But here's what I'll say. I think
Shane Stikeen becomes one of the becomes a head coach
for another team next year if they do clean house here.
And I think that's the reason why they may not
do this is because they don't want to lose Shane
steik In. But I think Shane Steiken kind of if
you get the right quarterback in here, nice. But I
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think Shane steichen himself may need a quick reset and
learn from his mistakes and not have a GM who's
forcing him to keep a defensive court. And again, Shane
Stikeen inherited Gus Bradley, so that was something from the
organization to keep him. And then you have a bad
year and he doesn't fire him, like I don't care
what if I want. I think Shane steike In probably
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would be better off in a different situation. And that's
why the Jags or the Colts may stay the course here.
But it seems like there's it's really a time for
change in Annianapolis.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Like you know, our guy Dalton Philly is a Colts fan.
You know, he put out a long tweet after you know,
he was there for that loss. He sat with me
in my seats, was there for that loss against the Giants.
And there are certain moves that he's like even for
going back at the quarterback position that Chris ballad has
made where he kind of attributed to like the Carson
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Wentz trade, kind of attributed that that was like a
that was like a Jim Ersay move, and the Matt
Ryan trade, well that was a Chris Ballard move. And hey,
that's familiar for me, and I think it's familiar if
you're a fan of a specific team. I don't think
that's a foreign concept. Where if you have an owner
stepping in that maybe wants to make a move or
wants you to be aggressive and a GM is more hesitant,
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or you have a GM that is more aggressive with
a certain move, so you know there's there's imbalance there
where there are some moves that it's a Jim Ersay move,
where it's a Frank Reich move, and then you have
other things that are Chris Ballard moves and Chris Ballard
decisions and and things like that. So there seems to
be in balance there. I don't know. Man, Like I
look at this offensive line and I say, this is
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it's still a damn good offensive line. And we know
that Ballard can get guys in here, and like, these
are guys that are drafting the second third and Day
three of the draft that can start and can play
for you. It's a pass rush that is decent. It's
not great, it's not good. I don't think there's any
above average players, but it's a good to solid pass
rush in the in the NFL today, so I look
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at it as you get you get Gus Bradley outing,
you have to fire Gus Bradley, you have to get
Gus Bradley out, you get a different defensive coordinator in there.
I think the moves that Anthony Rigson made sure it's
the second half the season is somewhat promising where he
could be your quarterback week one. It just sucks that
he gets injured and shit like that. But I think
that they run it back with what they got.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I think they end up what this ends up ends
up being, is they just push everything back of the
year and that we're in the same situation. I think
they're in the same exact situation next year.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah. I would just find it would just be a
shame that this coach that's seventeen and seventeen after two
years with awful quarterback play. I would say at times
it's been average, but more more or less awful quarterback
play with a defensive coordinator that seems like it was
forced upon him. It would be a shame if that
coach is fired after two years.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
I agree, listen, I agree with that point of it,
but it's time. It's time for a reset, because what
they're doing is they're just pushing this back a year
like they're not again Chris Ballat. I don't think it's
done a horrible job, but he certainly isn't. This team
that's brimming with talent, and it's just, oh my god,
it needs to be harnessed or we need to get
the quarterback. I think it's a really good offensive play
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caller with some good offensive talent, no quarterback, and a
defense with a to me which is clearly lacking a
lot of talent. I also think they made he made
a horrible decision by taking law too as the first
defensive player off the board in this most recent draft,
when I thought Jared Vers was a clearly better player.
They could have added Kenyon Mitchell if they wanted to
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go dB, and they went for the older, you know,
injury prone cross chop edge who can be a solid
player and I think will be, but not going to
be the impact that those guys are. So I think
it's time for a change to the other one. The
Patriots and Raiders both would be one and done's with
Jerrod Mayo and Antonio Appears. And I'll say this with
(27:04):
Antonio appears, He's four and twelve this year, five and
fours as an interim head coach last year. I think
he's had missteps along the way. I mean had the
fire basically his entire offensive staff middle of the year,
and then bringing the Turner Northern Scott Turner. I'm not
pulling the plug on this yet. I think if you
hired this guy this this team lacks so much talent.
(27:27):
We said it last year. It's like they are relying
so much on defensive coaching that that's just hard to do.
And then offensively like they just they have a terrible
quarterback situation. I'm not pulling the plug on this. I'd
at least at least like to see him. Maybe you
keep the Turners here for next year, figure out what
you're gonna do at quarterback, and you know, and just
(27:48):
continue that talent. Right. You added Brock Bauers last year,
we went best best player available. A lot of people
probably mocked that, and guess what you've got to me
the best rookie performance of the year. So continue to
attack the draft with the best player available mindset, and
you give Antonio Peers in this staff another year, I
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think it'd be a shame for the roster with this
talent to pull the plug on the head coach because
I don't think there's I don't think there's many head
coaches who get this team more than five six wins.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, there are some pros and cons of Antonio Pierce.
I think the biggest con is that there just may
be better upgrades out there. There may be better upgrades
that want to come to the Las Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I agree, but then you shouldn't have. You shouldn't have
bought into the interim head coach hiring thing last year,
which again I don't think they should have, but if
you did, you need to at least stick that through
this through two years.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Another con is that even though after he fired the
offense coordinator, the quarterback coach, and the offensive line coach,
the offense did get better. Scott Turner his offense coordinators
a pseudo worked. I mean, you know, you with with
with the quarterback play, with the offensive line play. The
run game has been horrible to kind of start the year.
It's gotten a little bit better with the mirr Abdula.
Out of all people shout out Nebraska, you know, so
(29:04):
I guess you could say, well, it's good consolation that
the kind of the people that he brought in in
the second half got a little bit better. But also
now those are three very important positions that he now
needs to find, and you know, getting a staff together
as a head coach is a very important thing. But
the pros for Antonio Piers, I think Mark Davis may
be tired of the constant turnover a ton of head coaches.
(29:27):
In a span of a decade. There were thirteen players
on IR and a good amount of them were contributes,
especially on the defensive side of the ball. So that's
I think he stays. I would put his seat as warm.
Players have kind of showed up for him and played well,
and I do think I just think that I do
think that by this time next year, Antonio Peers is
(29:48):
going to be fired. That's kind of why I would
just kind of do it now. But you did kind
of make your bed. They may lie in it.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
But I think Antonio Piers can work as an NFLI
head cards. This isn't someone I think is totally He's
made mistakes along the way, right, some immaturity early in
the season with the whole Devonte Adams part of this,
But I think he is trying to build a culture there,
and like, you can't give him a roster that's just
not talented, And then like, well, why didn't you do
(30:16):
more than this? Like if they had won one to
two games, which this roster was capable of winning one
two games, then maybe maybe you're there. But I'm giving
Antonio Pierce another year now. Another guy who I'm not
going to give another year is the Patriots and girod
Mayo worst record in the NFL three and thirteen. The
other part of this is that they don't have a
true GM, even though Elliott Wolf is their de facto GM.
(30:39):
But this organization needs a reset. Okay, they are too
reliant on the crafts. The crafts are smelling themselves, and
they have hired puppets for them. You know, girod Mao
has clearly been that for them. You know, they didn't
do a coaching search, they just hired him, you know,
the day or whatever after they Bill Belichick was gone.
I hate one and done. But this defense has fallen
(30:59):
off without Bills, which was something that people try to
just write in like, well, the Patriots had a good defense.
Well they're also losing the greatest defensive mind the NFL
has ever seen the best head coach of all time
and Bill Belichick, Uh, he doesn't handle the day to
day stuff well at all. I think he hasn't built
a good culture. I think he's thrown people under the bus.
And when you have a guy like Drake may you
(31:21):
need the offensive coach to go with him. I'm out
on Draw Mayo. I think he should be a one
and done. And you talk about Antonio Pierce, maybe not
should be the hired last year, Fine, but at least
you had something to go off with it. Draw Mayo was.
We didn't. We didn't even look at other candidates. We
just we just hired him and didn't even think about
hiring anybody else because we thought this was a you know,
(31:43):
plan and waiting type thing. So yeah, I want you
Mayo out there. I think New England deserves a lot better.
But I also think the Crafts need to stop smelling
themselves and realize they're not the reason for all those
championships and they need to put someone in place who's
going to run everything. There.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Vibes are weird there, you know, with the whole Then
this is the second time or this has happened this
year where there's pregame reports of and I think the
first time this happened it was the Dolphins game where
the Patriots were home playing the Dolphins. Ramadre Stevenson is
being bench for Antonio Gibson. Okay, Ramadre Stevenson then goes
(32:21):
out against the Dolphins and has a great game and
has more carries and more touches. We here on NFL
Network this past Sunday were with our own very own
Chris Rose. Antonio Gibson's going to get the start, first
couple of plays of the game. Romadre Stevenson's getting the ball.
What's going on? What's going on? Grod Mayo after the
game is asked about it. Coach's decision. Bro, you're the coach, man,
(32:42):
Like you're the coach, how was gonna at your explanation?
Coach's decision? And like you're the coach, you don't have
anything to say on it. We were there in training
camp to Bobby and I kind of hate to use this.
Practices were horrible. They got very little accomplish There is
a lot of standing around, and we were literally able
(33:04):
to compare it because they were having a joint practice
with the Eagles. So it's not like, Okay, this is
just what NFL teams do, you know, NFLPA the rules,
blah blah blah. We're watching one team, the Philadelphia Eagles,
a good football team. Practice, be active, they're talking, they're communicating,
they're they're constantly drilling. There's constant coaching going on with
the coaches and players and bah blah blah. And then
(33:26):
we see the Patriots on the other side and they're
standing around. They're standing around, And compare that to our giants,
which we see every year. We think Brian Dable, If
Brian Dable runs a country club practice, I don't know
what Geron Mao runs. And then whenever they make a mistake,
he has them running laps for fifteen minutes, which takes
away from the practice time that you only get an
hour and a half every day anyway. So, yeah, the
(33:46):
vibes are weird there. Obviously, if you're hey, if you're
gonna say the talent's not good for the for the
Las Vegas Raiders, the talent is certainly not good.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
But it's better and they've resigned a lot of those
defensive players they've resigned, you know, and we're not going
the talent's.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Better defensive maybe maybe in new way it is better.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
And again it's guys that they resigned. We're not talking
about guys who are maybe a little better, but they're here,
Like they resigned half that defense before the season. I
know they lost bear more and but you know they yeah,
they traded Judah, but they got Gonzalez back, who's a
real deal corner like that, that team is a better
team with Belichick and and having may But again.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Their problems also extend way past Drawd Mayo because this
year's they showed this year's draft class like side by side,
but the Chargers draft class, and and you know, think
of how barren that Chargers roster was. And they even
showed that trade where the Lodd mcconkee trade where it's like,
oh my god, and it was trade they did the
trade with the Patriots where it was like, oh my god,
(34:43):
like this is.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
This is a horrible, horrible.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Draft class that you just produced outside of Drake may horrible.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, and just a horrible planet offensive line going into
the season. Uh Now, I think the Patriots are a
team that should be trying to make a run at
Ben Johnson as well too.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
No way he would want to know why not.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Why not come in there with the new GM. They again, they.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
They're not going to get a new GM.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
But I think that's a mistake on their on there.
They're not because because I think they have enough to
They're gonna have the there's the most look of the
first overall pick that they could they could have Drake
May maybe either the best player in the draft or
you know, multiple picks. I think that's a spot that
I can get them. So any so we hit Warm, Lukewarm,
(35:31):
I got the Browns and Cowboys. Who do you got?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah? So I again, I put Lukewarm as Shane Stiken
and Chris Ballard. I only had two. I only had
two names as my Warm, which was the Raiders and
the Pats. So my Lukewarm, I have three more people.
I have Mike McCarthy, I have Kevin Stefanski and Andrew
Berry kind of like that package deal in Cleveland there
head coaching GM, and I also have Todd Bowls and
(35:58):
we'll talk about that. But where do you want to start?
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I want to talk about the Cowboys. They shouldn't fire
Mike McCarthy, correct, I mean you went seven to nine
this year, missing Dak you didn't add any talent this offseason.
You went twelve and five three years in a row.
You didn't fire them after last year's playoff debacle. You
lost Dan Quinn, the defense was injured all year. I
(36:24):
think he's done a pretty bang up job with that
what he was dealt with this year.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I want to check where they are defensively in EPA
per play because because Ron Rivera seems like a decent
higher they're they're twenty eighth, but they're yeah, they're they're
they're so bad personnel life there. Oh what did I say, Mike,
Mike Zimmer, That's what I'm sorry, Excuse me, Yeah, twenty
eighth and EPA per play, but they're all it's their
Their past defense is actually decent, above average. They're just
(36:50):
so bad run defense wise, But I think that's a
personnel issue. I don't know. I'm not necessarily going to
really put all of them on make zimber. They're just
so bad interior. You know, they lost Michael park Is
for a good Man of the Year. Their interior defensive
line is horrible. Mozzie Smith is a complete bust. Their
linebacker situation has not been great. I think they've lost
to marve On overshown to another season ending injury when
(37:12):
he was having a solid year. So yeah, that personnelage
just really, really bad. So the only case, the only
case in which I see Mike McCarthy maybe leaving, And
you brought this up, but I don't think. I think
Jerry Jones is loyal and sometimes loyal to a fault, right.
The only case in which Mike McCarthy leaves is if
(37:33):
there is another sexy name that comes in and you've
talked about this, Bobby.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I thought they were going to be the Bill spot.
I wanted Bill. I wanted Bill there. Once Bill went
off the market, I said, doubt Cowboys, SA.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Bill's not off the market. Bill Belichick is not off
the market.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
He has eight million dollar buyout.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
He doesn't want to be in un sing. He wants
a son to get that UNC job. That's what he wants.
Bill Belichick wants to be in the NFL. I cannot
see Bill Belichick sitting in a seventeen and eighteen year
old house in doing this a lot.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
I don't know why everyone says that acts like Bill
Belichick doesn't like the grimy parts of the jobs. The
guy in his off here took ten media jobs and
the guy had no interest in doing media when he
was a coach.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Okay, that's different.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
That's so here's the thing is let Bill go and
you and that's I think it's another reason why to
keep McCarthy go again next year if Bill wants, if
you want to buy out Bill at that point, then
you can move off of McCarthy. But unless you know that,
they're what what else did you want Mike McCarthy to
do with all the circumstances he was done with this year.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
And they fought and they didn't you know, they fought
and Dak went down and they started winning more games
and started the Ceedee Lamb is still banged up in
the running back situation is terrible. Yeah, So that's why
I put him as as lukewarm. Were originally a couple
of weeks ago or even earlier, earlier in the season,
he's warm or even red hot, but now he's down
(38:53):
to luke warm. I I just don't think there's enough buzz.
I know, his contracts up, so they need to negotiate
a contract no matter what. But I think that's going
to be more or less on does Mike McCarthy want
to come back because I think Jerry Jones would want
him to come back, right, And if you're Mike McCarthy,
where else do you want to go?
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Noh, Mike McCarthy's not going to It's either Mike McCarthy
gets fired.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Or were Likeking retires. He's not going to retire.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yeah, not fired, but like intentionally the boys just said
I'd go away. Yeah, all right, let's see what else
the Browns. Here's the thing with the Browns. Stefanasy has
been forty and forty three as a head coach, two
winning seasons in a playoff win that goes a long
way in Cleveland. The Deshaun Watson contract and acquisition is
the worst decision ever made in NFL history. Yes, but
(39:39):
here's the issue is I'm actually making them live with
it for a little bit because you have to deal
with this for the next two years. So like that's
what's going to be sexy about this job, to come
and deal with it. Well, you got to deal with
this Deshaun Watson contract for two years.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
After covering the Browns knowing that, Oh I'm knowing that.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yeah, be it terrible. So I'm I'm just keeping them
for another year just because it's like, I'm making you
you two live with this that sucks man.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
That like if if I'm a Browns fan and like,
and I feel like as just an NFL fan, anybody
that had anything to do with that Deshaun Watson decision
needs to be fired because I don't care. I don't
care the roster that you've built, I don't care what
your past success is. I'm even mad at Kevin Stefanski
from going away from his identity as a head coach
where he used to be. We're gonna, you know, he
(40:28):
used to be almost like forty nine ers in Baltimore Ravens.
If we're gonna run the damn ball and we're gonna
be aggressive, and that's what that's our identity. And then
they trade for Watson and it's like, all right, well
now we're now we're an eleven personnel team and we're
gonna take away any any kind of foundational identity that
we had as a team. We're taking it away now,
all for this guy who sucks. So I want anybody
who was associated with that decision, I want them fired.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
But me too, But like I said, I'm kind of
punishing them by making them live with that.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yeah, and what is the new guy gonna do? What
is a new guy gonna come in and do? Yeah,
you gotta live with it for another year.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
And you do with like what the Texans did, where
you get a GM like, hey, this is a five
year plan. Let's get a David Coley Lovey Smith type
head coach to deal with this for two years and
then well, if it's if he surprised us sick. If not,
we'll fire him and then you'll get a head coaching
higher man. But even then, like, I'm just kind of
making them live with this. Uh cool, what I didn't
(41:20):
put any whoa whoa go ahead?
Speaker 2 (41:23):
We got to talk about Todd Bowles, and it's very
simple for me. I like Todd Bowles. I think he's
actually done a very good job of even when Dave
Canalis left this past.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Year, I think he's better than Dave Canalis.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Hired an offense coordinator who i've Liam Cohen, who I
view as better than Dave Canals, even though Canals is
doing a good job in Carolina. But a guy that's
better than Dave Canalis because he has a run game
that's better and you know, helping out Baker Mayfield on
early downs and Liam Cohen's done a really good job
of dealing with adversity when it comes to injuries on
his offense, and Baker continues to look good. So if
you don't want to lose Liam Cohen, which I you know,
(41:58):
maybe you could trust Todd Bowles and you you were
mentioned to me before the show that Bruce Arians is
still like in that front office.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Yeah they're not. They're not doing that if Bruce Arians
is still working there.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
But you know, just plucking these you can't offensive coordinators
like this don't necessarily just grow on trees. Do they
make the decision to let Todd Bowles go because you
don't want to lose Liam Collen.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
They did that. This same GM did that Jason Lake
with fired Lovey Smith and kept Dirt Cutter and upgraded
him after James's rookie year. I don't think it's the
worst thing in the world, but this just it's just
not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen with Bruce Arians
being a part of that organization. And if they don't
(42:40):
collapse this week, they're going to be in the playoffs.
And I think they're a team that can be free
and they're just not gonna They're not gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
If they have a first round exit in the playoffs, No,
I don't think so. And their defense gives up thirty
five points and they score thirty two points against U
the Vikings of the Lions or whatever team, well, they
would be a division winner still playing a wild card team.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Not happening with Bruce Arians in that building.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Okay, we'll say that that's the the really the only
name on this list out of everybody that we're talking about,
like everybody everybody expected us to talk about Shane Styke
and Mike McCarthy, Gerrodmeo and you know, Doug Peterson out
of all, Like, I think that's the that's the most
interesting name. Like, oh, I never thought of that. That
a lout of all the names that we talked about.
(43:24):
So all right, cool, I'm gonna be quick about this.
Like I think I already mentioned this. I think Zach Taylor,
Kyle Shanahan, and I'm also putting Brian Callahan's name in this.
I think their jobs are safe. I don't think Callahan's
gonna be a one and done. I really don't. I
don't buy into Kyle Shanahan his job being a jeopardy
in San fran even if there is some discontent there,
(43:47):
I think him and John Lynch will just work together
too well. And then Zach Taylor, I don't know what
they're gonna do. Like I was, I have some Bengals
fans of my replies, which I'm surprised to see that
I have Bengals fans of my replies saying that Zach
Taylor does don't want to get rid of Luin and Rumo.
I think you kind of have to at this point.
So but I think there's their jobs are safe.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Ah, all right, that's an episode that was football. We'll
see you on Friday for a little bit of a
little bit of preview show. Thank you all for listening.
Hope you have a happy new Year. We'll see you then.
Until then, this is Football Today.
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