October 24, 2025 • 54 mins
On today's Dan Patrick Show, DP and the Danettes recap the Chargers' TNF win over the Vikings. ESPN senior NBA writer Brian Windhorst gives the latest on the stunning NBA betting scandal, and shares ways the league might change as a result of it. National Radio HOF member John Tesh shares the backstory behind creating "Roundball Rock," and plays a live version on the show.
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Made it to a Friday. It's hour one. Come on
in stay a while. A lot to talk about, looking
forward to this weekend, recapping what we had yesterday morning
at this time. Also football last night as the Chargers
roll the Vikings, Game one of the World Series coming
up tonight in Toronto. It'll be an interesting first at
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bat for show. Hey, o Tani, because if you go
back to when we didn't know if he was going
to Toronto or he was going to the Dodgers, there
were reports he was on a flight to Toronto and
then all of a sudden he left them at the
Altar and then went to the Dodgers. So that first
at bat tonight in Toronto will be interesting. Eight seven,
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the Mothership. We'll try to recap what happened yesterday with
the gambling probe. The FBI involved in this. This is
in a NBA issue. It's way above their pay grade
with the FBI. So we'll talk to Wendy about this.
He'll join us coming up a little bit later.
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I'll start with the Chargers rolling the Vikings last night
because this was one of those games you gotta win.
There's certain games during the year where you go, you
gotta win that one. There's other games where you go,
you might win that one. There are other games where
you hope to win that one. This was one with
the Chargers trying to write the ship a little bit.
But I think the bigger picture here is the Vikings
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because JJ McCarthy haven't gotten any updates yet on that
high ankle spring, but he's been out for six weeks,
and Carson Wentz is not the answer. And this is
where you can't help but think that Sam Darnold has
played well, and Danny Dimes is playing well, and Kirk
Cousins could have been available to you to come back,
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and Aaron Rodgers flirted with you. He chose a different direction.
You chose a different direction. And I know that's this
is hindsight, but this is a situation where you've got
the best receiver in the game, and I wonder at
what point Justin Jefferson says, get me out of here,
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get me out of here, And I think that that's real.
He's got eight thousand career yards and this is This
is a situation where I felt like it's they got everything,
but they don't have a quarterback. Whether offensive line isn't
very good. In fairness to Carson Wentz, he got sacked,
he got hit a lot last night, an interception, doesn't
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look like he's comfortable back there. And I could understand
that if you don't have an offensive line, I don't
care what else you have, your quarterback is not going
to be successful. And Carson Wentz needs help anyway, and
he does not have that. But at what point does
Justin Jefferson say, you know, I need somebody to throw
me the ball. I'm in my prime. This is like
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the Bengals T Higgins, Jamar Chase. That's why I said,
don't waste another year. Get a quarterback who can help
you and Joe Flacco. Maybe he can come to the rescue.
Maybe he can keep you afloat during the regular season.
Maybe you get Joe Burrow back. Even if JJ McCarthy
comes back, I don't know what you have with him,
and he's going to have to kind of ease into playing.
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And in that division with the Lions, the Bears are
better and we know and Green Bay's got the best
record in the NFC. Time's running out, And that was
what I kept thinking when I was watching last night.
Time is running out on the Vikings. Justin Jefferson had
seven catches seventy four yards, so he's got eight thousand
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career receiving yards. The youngest player to reach that twenty
six years, one hundred twenty nine days, so he's one
hundred and sixty eight days younger than Randy Moss was
to reach eight thousand. But the Chargers didn't p last night.
And I still go back to Brian Flores in that
Vikings defense, and boy, they changed the NFL, and he
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likes to do a lot of things. He'll make you
uncomfortable and maybe not, so you can put a lot
of blame on Carson Wins. The defense, by all accounts,
is still one of the elite defenses. They didn't punt
thirty seven to ten the final. All right, Seaton, what's
the poll question for the first hour of the program.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
I don't even know how to start with pole questions
for the gambling thing. Yeah, we did a few yesterday,
but good grief.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, I mean, looking at the last twenty four hours,
this is the perception. Let's say, six months from now.
Terry Rozier, Chauncey Billups totally exonerated, Damon Jones totally exonerated.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
It feels like this is going.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
To be lasting because it felt like, if you're a fan,
you probably already have suspicions. Most fans are like, ah,
it's fixed, Oh, they fix it. This is where it
kind of is a stamp that stays on you. It's
like when you go to the nightclub and you still
have the stamp on you the next day and you
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can't get it off. That's what this feels like. It's
just perception in reality. Now it could turn out to
be just plain reality, and that would be devastating for
the NBA. You got all these new TV partners, NBC
Peacock spent billions of dollars on this, ESPN brought in
the TNT guys. I mean, this was a big rollout.
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Everything's gone great until the FBI stepped in. But try
to recap this, and I mean it felt like it
was out of Goodfellas and a James Bond movie it
or you know, Law and Order or Rounders. I mean,
there was so much involved in this, and then the
Mafia's involved. In this, and then are you giving information
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who are you giving the information to? How much money
are you getting kicked back if you take part in
these poker games? I mean, and everybody says the same
thing about that. Chauncey Billets made a lot of money.
I've never met somebody who's made too much money or
doesn't want to lose money. I mean, I Chauncey Billups, Yes,
he makes two and a half million dollars, you know,
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as the Portland head coach. I mean, this is a
dream of his to be a head coach in the NBA,
and this happened before he got there. But he knows,
he knows that he can't do this. Damon Jones. I
assume all of these guys know that they can't do this.
But the you know, when you have individual prop bets
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that I've been screaming about this, don't let college kids
have prop bets attached to them. There's already enough pressure
you can't do it. And even with the pros, I
don't like prop bets. And we always think, oh, you know,
imagine if it's going to be a big name. It's
not going to be a big name who's going to
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do this? Now, Terry Rogier is not a big name.
Damon Jones is not a big name. It's guys who
need the money. They get information. If Damon Jones knows
somebody who says Lebron's not playing, then you give that information.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
That's so valuable.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Terry Rosier, Hey, I'm going to pull myself out of
a game. Bet the under on my props, you know.
And you never think somebody's watching. If you go to
Michael Porter's brother, Johntay Porter, he's probably thinking, I'm in Toronto,
I'm on the bench. Nobody cares. Well, Vegas cares because
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Vegas monitors all of this. They have to. If they
see a spike, where what are the normal prop bets
for a guy like Johntay Porter coming off the bench?
Probably not a lot until there is and everybody wants
their piece, and then they go, well, nobody'll know that
I put ten grand on this. Nobody's going to know
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that I put fifteen on this. Well, then you add
it up and all of a sudden, it's like something's
going on here. That's when the red flags happen. It's
always somebody who thinks I'm at some university or I'm
a role player on some team and I can get
away with this. Vegas is your watch dog. But there's
so much illegal betting. There's billions and billions and billions
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of dollars bet illegally. I'm going to give you some
information here. Spoke to a source yesterday who said an
individual who bets on sporting events checks their betting app
and average of two hundred and ten times a day.
Twenty percent of eighteen to twenty four year olds in
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New Jersey have a gambling addiction. College kids. There are
up to two thousand mic bets. So these are bets
on the pitch, the swing, the hit, the run available
per baseball game, per Major League Baseball game, two thousand
micro bets. Ninety percent of your gambling is done online,
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and at least six percent of individuals who gamble are
addicted to doing so. These are real numbers. Okay, they're
real numbers, And I caution you, Yes, DraftKings is a partner,
but I'm telling you to have fun with this. You
will not win if you're doing it, and you have
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dispensable income and you can have fun. But an eighteen
to twenty four year old, that's where it's where it starts.
That's where it started for me, and that's where it metastasizes.
And then all of a sudden, you're in a hole.
And then you're putting things on a credit card or
you're taking your parents' credit card. It's all real. This
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is all real. I know, it's entertainment to see all
of those things. I'm just telling these are real numbers
that I have in front of me. Twenty percent of
eighteen to twenty four year olds in New Jersey have
a gambling addiction. It's real. And you know, we all
have that DNA that trait you know where, and I
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have it, you know where I get addicted to things
and I'm all in on things and then you have
to go cold turkey and stop. So where this goes,
what this does to the NBA, This could be one
of the biggest scandals that's happened in our lifetime. They
said it's just the tip of the iceberg. I don't
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know who else is involved in this, but there was
a report that was Chauncey Billups giving information on a
game where he's telling people we're going to tank, We're
going to tank, We're going to have our first you know,
four guys sit down and a lot of people bet
on that bet on that game. So now you're fixing
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a game. And I mean you're committing a crime here.
Terry Rozier prop bet he was investigated before this, Damon Jones.
He was getting information is Lebron going to play? I'm
told Lebron's not going to play? And then you give
that information out and then they have text messages. Those
text messages don't go away, folks. As a friend of
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mine who worked for the FBI, he's like, you can
delete them, Oh, we still got them. And that's what
you saw yesterday where you go, wow, this is like
four years ago, five years ago, and they have the
conversation back and forth and it's not like, oh, what
are they talking about. I didn't have to read between
the lines. It was right there in bold print, right
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in front of me. But this is and these leagues
can't act like they're victims. They took all of this money,
all of these moneies, but they are rules. There are
rules in place, and now you have this situation and
where Adam Silver has got to meet with the media
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and answer some pretty tough questions. All right, So I
don't know if there's a poll question seatan that can
be attached to this.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yeah, but I mean I have one for sure, goof
for your name, Operation nothing but bet or operation royal
flush might lead with that.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Real flush is funnier.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
At first I had lamer name, but then I changed
it to goofy your name good?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, sure, go ahead and pick one.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
Yeah, yes, Todd, I got to kick out of the
police yesterday because I love to play on words. They
couldn't use more gambling analogies. With sports, everything was like
you bet things are gonna be worse for you going forward,
and I don't care how many chips you think you
could put into a game, and just everything was like
a sports casino.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Well that's sometimes I'll be around people and they think
they have to dumb it down so I'll understand it
so they'll go okay. This would be like Patrick Mahomes,
I go, no, no.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
You just talk to me.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
You don't have to use the analogies. Oh, I couldn't
process like.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
He accused her on house arrests. There's no traveling, get that, NBA.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
He took a gamble and it's game over for all
of you. Crap.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Yeah, let's let's assume these accusations are real and they
are proven against the Chauncey Billups or Terry Rogier. Chauncey
Billups is currently in the Hall of Fame and he
was borderlined to get in, and you know, Pete Rose
didn't get in the Hall of Fame, and he was
not accused of sharing information with gamblers or possibly fixing
a game or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I don't think they're taking him out of the whole. No,
I know they didn't take oj out of the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 7 (14:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Well, there's sports crimes, and there's crimes crimes and billips.
If he's what he's accused of is a sports crime.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Well if he did this now and wasn't in the
Hall of Fame, then he wouldn't get in the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 7 (14:52):
Exactly, agree, Dan, you don't want to be loved in
with OJ.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah, I appreciate you bringing that up.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Don't get that many opportunities for your oj impersonation anymore.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Who would you rather work with the mafia or me
O J?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (15:09):
I think the toughest thing is for the NBA is
that people are going to move on with their weekends
and the casual fan is going to say, look what
the NBA was accused of, and they won't follow up.
Like you said, if people are exonerated or it goes away.
And now when you're in a bar and you run
into that guy who says, oh, the NBA it's all fixed.
They've got more ammunition. They always had Tim Donneghe, you
know seven. Now they got three more guys in twenty
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twenty five, and you know, it's an easier case for
them to make. I'm still still doubt their case, but
it's easier for them to make.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I'm looking at the odds here for Chauncey Billups for
Coach of the Year, and.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
That's too sick.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
Hello, incentsive.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
He was playing a game of chaunts.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
By the way, you, I don't know if you know
that corner. Quietly, let you guys take it.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I blew right by the Meat Friday menu. We have
tried tip French dip sandwiches and poutine has it better
than we do? Yeah, I just went out there to
check out the try tip French dip.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yes, is that some kind of Russian food? What's the poutine? Canadian?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
You've never heard of poutine?
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I was trying to make a little putin poutine joke,
which obviously fell.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Wow, we really hit the jackpot with this menu. I
think you took an over here.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
Yeah so far.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I think you went over the first second.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
I don't know if I can get out of the
hole that I've been Right now, Chauncey Bellis is having
a better day.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Why didn't you double down? Okay, okay, how about we
take a break here? Okay, we take a break. Gangs
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Speaker 2 (17:54):
Coming up, we'll zero in on some of the Marquis
matchups college and pro football. Also, the most must win
game of the weekend, we'll have that for you coming
up as well. Cindy and North Carolina while we wait
for Brian Winhorse from the Mothership. Hi Cindy, what's on
your mind?
Speaker 9 (18:10):
Hi, long suffering Dolphins fan here. As I was watching
the game last night, I thought, oh, yeah, we played
the next Thursday night, And I looked at our schedule
and I realized, oh my goodness, we have four more
standalone games, including an international game and a flex game,
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and then of course the cap it all off on
Pearl Harbor Day would play the Jets. So I'm wondering
what would compel the NFL to put us in a
total of six standalone games and a flex game.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Well, you were a playoff team and they probably looked
at you as with Tyreek Hill and Tua, and why
not that they were going to showcase you. They thought
you were actually going to be good, Cindy. They made
a mistake. Even with Tyreek, you guys weren't very good.
The Tuist situation isn't getting better, and it feels like
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there's going to be a house cleaning at the end
of the year. But those standalone games are tough because
then everybody has an opinion about your team. If you
played at one o'clock on a Sunday, nobody has an opinion.
But a standalone a Thursday or a Sunday or a Monday,
and then the next day, everybody's got an opinion about
your team. Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
And when there's a backup quarterback, the promo has to pivot.
It can't be Carson Wentz Justin Herbert. It's gotta be
Justin Jefferson and in the offense takes on Justin Herbert.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Stu in Indiana, Hi Stu, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Hi Dan?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Thanks for taking my call? Yeah, I just had a
little You mentioned the coach in the final scene of
Hoosier's The Final Game. That is that coach's name. He's
an actual legendary coach here in Indiana. His name is
Ray Crow. He's probably in the top five or top
ten and all time wins here in Indiana and high
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school boys basketball. And I'm driving, so I didn't have
a way to check this, but I believe he was
the head coach of the high school team from Indianapolis,
Christmas Attics, and I think that team was the first
high school team in Indiana that was all black to.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Win a state title. Yeah, that was Oscar Robertson's team. Yeah,
Oscar Robertson Christmas Addicts. Yeah, Yeah, I was talking about that.
You have this final seconds turnover and you know Jimmy
Chitwood's going to hit a game winner, and the coach
was like smiling.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
It felt like they were taking cutaways and putting him
in and they had that. There should have been a
little more anguish there. Maybe I was looking for a
little more acting from coach. Yes, Pauline.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
So at the end of Hoosier's Jimmy Chitwood holds the
ball for maybe twenty seconds and then takes a shot.
In the real game, I think it was mile in
high school. The guy his name was Bobby Plump. He
held the ball for four straight minutes motionless with a
tide game, and then took the last shot. Four minutes
no shot clock. Yeah it's not good, but back then
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that would have been bad in the movie.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
But I thought, if I'd come up on you, then
there can be five seconds and then there's a jump ball.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
Not in high school.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Back in the fifties, there was no shot clock, there
was no five second rule checking a player. Yeah, he
stood there motionless for a five minutes, four minutes.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, that's why all the greatness of Dean Smith. And
then he ran those four corners. I mean he had
Phil Ford, and I don't know, I hated that stalling tactic,
but you had teams that were able to do that.
Speaker 10 (21:44):
Yeah, Mormon, Yeah, Michael Jordan on my team, let's run
a four corners. Yeah, talking about.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
But Phil Ford was a great point guard. He's one
of those all time great college players, but not necessarily
a good pro career. In fact, I don't even know
how much he played in the NBA. Ernie d. Gregorio
played for Providence. They went to the Final four back
in the early seventies. He was a dynamic point guard.
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He was Rookie of the Year I think for the
Buffalo Braves coached by Jack Ramsey, and they had Bob McAdoo,
but he kind of trailed off as well. You know,
they're just certain guys that they have these unbelievable college careers.
Rick Mount, Rick Mount's one of the greatest scores in
college basketball history, but he was just kind of undersized
when he went to the NBA. I think the Indiana Pacers.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
Yeah, Pauline, Yeah, Phil Ford played seven years in the NBA.
A little bit starter, a little bit bench.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, he's a great player, not a great shooter, but
a great leader, great you know, ball handler, run the
four corners. Hey, let's go watch a team stall.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
North Carolina of all like you have. You got a
bunch of five stars.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, well I don't think they were labeled five stars back.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Then, but if you go to North Carolina, you're somebody.
Yeah yeah, oh you know what, let's just stall were U,
NBC or somebody like that.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Jason Jason in Phoenix, Hi, Jason, what's on your mind?
Speaker 11 (23:08):
Hey?
Speaker 12 (23:08):
Thanks for taking my call?
Speaker 9 (23:09):
Guys.
Speaker 12 (23:09):
Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty not happy right now. Like two
things really got me kind of ert. Just this whole
pitching situation with the Dodgers, one point five billion dollars.
It's just a it's a monopoly and then shake go
to Alexander Man. This push off thing, it just I
played basketball. I cannot stand. I want to like literally
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fight him, like watching him push off his people and
like the reps are not calling it, Like what the.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Heck Jason got anger issues?
Speaker 5 (23:40):
Yeah, push off?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
It's okay, you know, great players get away with stuff. Yeah,
but he's pushing off. I know he is.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
He is.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Not to the point where you should want to fight
Shay Gilgios, Alexander our No.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
When to have Paul question like the tush push bothers me.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
But Kelsey, I'm not going to come.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
From I'm not going after you know, Jalen Herds. Yeah,
let's see Aiden in Utah, Hi, Aiden, what's on your mind?
Speaker 11 (24:14):
Hey Dan? Good morning?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Good morning.
Speaker 11 (24:16):
Yeah. Yeah, I've always been in big component Oh right, sorry,
I've always pushed that the NBA is not really the
NFL is not really to fight back against everybody who
claims it is. I still don't believe that it is.
But just watching this go down, it's it's crazy. I
was watching ESPN yesterday, Greene had Shams on and on
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the bottom ticker. It was a promo for ESPN bet
and it's just like, while they're talking about the gambling situation,
It's like, what what what would they what would have
to happen for gambling to be outlawed again?
Speaker 7 (24:49):
It's not happening.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
That chip has that yacht has sailed. It's on a
ship for that it's it's it's a yacht. Brian win Horse,
ESPN senior NBA writer, Wendy, thanks for joining us. I
know you're busy. When did you get a heads up
that there was something going on here? Let's start with
Chauncey billups We knew about Terry Rougier, but Chauncey billups An,
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he heads up.
Speaker 13 (25:15):
Good morning, Dan. I had no heads up, and I'm
not sure Chauncey did either.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
You know.
Speaker 13 (25:22):
I was here in la and stay at the same
hotel as the Timberwolves, and I ran into some Timberwolves
folks yesterday in the hotel, like an hour after this happened.
And they had been in Portland the night before they
played against the Blazers. Some of the players, some of
the folks I talked to who said they had talked
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to Chauncey. They complimented him on the way the team looked.
They had a real close game, came right down to
the final minute, and their home opener against Minnesota. Chauncey
talked about how excited he was about the team, about
how good of a training camp they had. I don't
think Chauncey knew it was coming either. Maybe he knew
he was the subject of an investigation, that's possible, but
the fact that he was going to get arrested in
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the in the you know, wee hours, I don't think
he knew was coming. I'm not sure how much heads
up the NBA had. I'm sure they knew it before
I did, but I'm not sure that's how the FEDS operate.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
What's the worst accusation pertaining to the NBA in your opinion.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
I don't think that.
Speaker 13 (26:21):
This is a scandal that rocks the NBA to its core.
I know that there are people that are going to
use it to say that, and certainly their association with
with sports betting can be called into question, as all
people associated with sports can be ESPNS can be.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
This.
Speaker 13 (26:41):
Really, there's two accusations here, and I think the poker
stuff is fascinating. I mean, you know this is right
out of a movie. You're talking about mob stuff, you're
talking about cheating at poker games, rigging poker games. That
was all interesting at the press conference. None of that
has anything to do with the NBA. Now there are
potentially NBA people who were at these games. I'm sort
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of fascinated that the Justice Department seems interested in protecting
the rights of people playing in illegal poker games, like
they're worried about the victims playing illegal poker games. But
that's for another day. But the Genavizi crime family or
whatever I laughed out loud about four times at that
press conference, that has nothing to do with the NBA.
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There's two different cases here. They were tied together in
the announcement, and I understand why they did that. Within
the Within the case against the folks involved with the NBA,
there are two different accusations. One is that that that
two players took themselves out of games so they're unders
would hit. Both of them were publicly known John tay
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Porter has already played guilty uh and has probably been
an informant on this case. The other, Terry Rozier, was
known and was investigated by the league, and he continued
to play, and that's definitely something the league has to address,
and I will I've talked to Lee about that, and
I'll tell you in a minute what they said. That
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is certainly a concern. That is not something that was
new news. It was new that Terry Rozier got federal charges,
but that was not new. So can you can be
upset by that, but it was something the league was
already aware of. The Other thing that was accused was
three different individuals were accused of leaking information to betters
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about who's going to be available in the games. One
was Chauncey Billups, one was Damon Jones, and one is
an indirect Orlando Magic player that was unnamed or the
magic player told somebody who told somebody else, and they
don't even indict anybody there. And that has been a
soft target for the NBA DAN for decades. The team
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decides or knows when a star player or any player
is going to play in the morning usually and then
doesn't reflect it on the end report because they're worried
about strategy and letting the other team know. And there's
this window of hours where there's inside information available. People
have exploited that for decades, and that is what Chauncey
Billups and Damon Jones are being accused of. There's a
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problem the NBA has tried to address. They've tightened their
injury reporting rules, they've fined teams for not following them,
but there's still a window there that can be exploited
and that's what this is. So it's definitely serious. The
NBA has got to worry about prop betting, and the
Adam Silver has talked about this, but this is the
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addressing of a problem that has existed for a long time.
It's not nothing, but I don't think it's like a
scandal that's rocking the league. They're gonna have to change
some policies, but it's and it's mostly shocking that it
ensnaes a Hall of Famer like Chauncey Billups. And let's
wait and see who else might get involved with a
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poker because NBA guys like to play poker and they're
not all in casinos, so I'll see about that. But
this is huge headlines, but I'm not sure that this
is the dire scandal that it may seem. If you
just watched the press conference yesterday.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Talking to Brian Windhorst of ESPN, senior NBA writer. The
one that stood out was Chauncey Billups letting somebody know
that he was going to be resting his starters, that
they were quote unquote tanking. That to me is troubling
because that's from a head coach. That's not a former
player like Damon Jones. That's a head coach. So that's
the one that's the most troubling for me.
Speaker 13 (30:36):
I would agree, I would agree, and I would say
that in the indictment. And I'm only going by what's
in the indictment, Dan, and I will tell you the
indictments about forty pages long. I read the indictment from
front to back, and I'm not sure how many people
who are talking about the indictment actually read it. Okay,
So in the indictment, it doesn't accuse Chauncey Billups of
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selling the information. It does accuse Damon Jones of selling
the information. In fact, in the indictment that names Chauncey
Bill actually doesn't name him. A first room was co
conspirator eight, but then gives his resume. It practically gives
social security number. It's very clear who it is. It
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doesn't say that he did it for money. It doesn't
say what he did it for.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Now.
Speaker 13 (31:22):
Let's if it comes out that he knew that this
individual that he told was going to sell it to betters,
that's really bad. If if he had some sort of
you know, maybe he owed somebody money and did it
as a favor. If there was some sort of return
from that, then I think you're looking at something serious.
If it was just Chauncey having loose lips, and that
loose lips leading to hundreds of tens of thousand dollars
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in betting winnings, that's different. The FBI does not accuse
him of selling it. The FBI accuses Damon Jones of
selling it. In fact, the FBI says that Damon sold
information on Lakers players to multiple games, and one of
the game proved to be wrong. The betters lost the bet,
and the guys wanted their money back. So I am
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gonna it is very upsetting that Chauncey is involved in this.
The league has to take serious action as it involves
with their public information versus private information on player availability.
But I am not going to sit here and say,
oh my god, this is the end of the NBA,
and everything's got to be reevaluated.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah. I mean, we have the headlines and their juicy,
and you're right, we don't do deep dives much anymore.
If you're Adam Silver, what would be your game plan
if you were advising him.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (32:36):
So the first thing I would say is the thing
that the league is going to have to address is
why Terry Rogier was investigated by the league and was
allowed to keep playing, and when the Feds investigate them,
they ended up indicting him. The league has a little
bit of egg on its face on this one. So
I asked a question of the league, how did that happen?
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And this is the answer that they gave me on
the record. League spokesman Mike Bass I'll tell you his name,
but he's speaking for the Adam Silver. Basically, it's that
the NBA is not the Justice Department. They can't do
wire taps, they can't have witnesses roll over on each other,
they can't get access to everybody's text messages. They can
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do investigator They can you know, they can get some
access to some people's phones. They can do investigations in
terms of you know, asking people and and sort of
threatening them and whatever. And I even asked them, I go, well,
what did you do in your investigation? And they say,
we're not going to say what we did because we
don't want everybody to know the taxics we use. But
they certainly don't have the Justice Department. And that sounds
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a little upsetting, but it's also candid. You know, the
NBA saying we're not the Justice Department is a candid answer.
It's not a satisfactory answer, but it's a candid answer.
So now what Adam Silver is going to have to
do is explain what the league can do. Okay, they
can't be the Justice Department, but now it's incumbent on him,
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but what they can do in these types of investigations.
And then here's something that's just got to be simple, Dan,
I've actually talked about this for years. They've just got
to be more honest with injuries. The teams cover up
injuries for strategic reasons. I'm not asking them to reveal
a player's exact health information and violate hippo laws. But
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if forty people in the team organization, forty people want
to shoot around that morning and know that the star
player is not playing at six o'clock or at seven o'clock.
They need to tell the world that. And sometimes it
is a game time decision. Sometimes a star player has
to go out there and stretch out and see how
his calf fields and see how his wrist field or whatnot.
Sometimes the concussion protocol isn't determined until closer to the game.
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So say that, you know, but there is this soft
target that the NBA has had for decades. I mean
reporters are asked to operate in that field all the time.
You are asked, you know, to come on television and
say whether Lebron James is playing or not, because maybe
we happen to know that he went through shoot around
or something like of love's nature. That is something that
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the gamblers that tried to get the information and have
gotten that information for decades. So the NBA has got
to tighten that, and this investigation is probably going to
force them to do it. They have tightened it some.
They haven't just put their hands in their pockets. When
sports betting came in, they changed their rules, but the
rules haven't gone far enough. And this accusation is in
the cracks that there are still people operating in.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, they got to get rid of prop bets, you know,
especially college athletes. They should not be involved with prop bets.
There's enough pressure there. I don't know if I mean,
are we too far down the road that if the
NBA said to FanDuel DraftKings whoever Vegas, no more prop bets,
do they have any authority to do that.
Speaker 13 (35:51):
That's not my end of the business. I couldn't tell you.
I would say though, that, like, I've not seen gambling
walk back in one iota. Maybe maybe at some point
it will have to be just for society, but I
have I've only seen it go one way, and I
think you're right. I think the people that are that
are most susceptible to being compromised are people who have
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nothing to lose. Okay, a lot of NBA players have
a lot to lose. Okay, even John tay Porter, who
was holding on to the NBA by the skin of
his teeth, had a lot to lose. College players, there
are certain college players who know their careers are not
going anywhere, who don't have anything to lose, and so
that's college's soft spot. Before I covered the NBA, I
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covered the Mid American Conference. Okay, there's a ton of
players in that conference whose careers are going to end
and where they're at, they have nothing to lose. That's
a soft spot for college that may has not been
been a scandal yet, but I'd be worried about it,
just like you can find me talking about this this
gap that where the NBA, you know, the game time
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decision gap. I've talked about that over the years. This
indictment surprised me in terms of Chauncey Billups being involved,
It did not surprise me that this is the spot
where gamblers could take advantage.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Great to talk to you, have a good weekend. Thanks
for taking time. Thank you, Winny. That's Brian Windhorst, ESPN,
senior NBA writer. I remember being at the NBA Finals
and somebody had told me some information and I wasn't
passing it on. I'm not a gambler, but it was
valuable information to a gambler, and I, you know, I
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didn't really think about it, and they probably didn't think
about it either. But if you put that in the
wrong hands, you know, that's that's when you have situations
like this, because and you know, Brian brings up great things,
you know, like Chefty's going to find out a lot
of information, but he's got to be really careful in
what he says with that information because the amount of
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money that's bet and you're talking about sometimes it's a
half point now, the over under, point spread, injury, who's hurt,
who might not play, who's not going to be one hundred?
Like just little things. And how many times do these
games come down to, Hey, usc Notre Dame? What was
the point spread? Nine and a half? Notre Dame one
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by ten? And that's where people get misconstrued on oh,
it's fixed. No, that's Vegas doing its job. Vegas isn't
fixing these games. Vegas is really good at telling you
this is what's going to happen. And that was a
classic example. Is that so weird?
Speaker 4 (38:35):
You though?
Speaker 3 (38:36):
I know?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
People, how are that good? I know? But people like
that's why it's fixed, you know, ten point spread and
they had it at nine and a half. I give
them credit. That's why I don't bet. I can't beat them.
Take a break the most must win game of the weekend.
We'll have that for you coming up. More of your
phone calls after this. Thanks for listening to The Dan
(38:58):
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most must win game of the weekend before we get
to John Tesh Todd. I'm going to start with you
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the most must win game of the weekend.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Is we touched on it earlier.
Speaker 14 (39:22):
I've got to go Ravens four and two Bears, a
good team, but last call for the one in five
Ravens at.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Home and the Bears getting six and a half seaton the.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
Purdue boiler Makers home against Rutgers. That is a must
win still yours. I'm sorry, that is a must win game.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Okay, you got it, Marvin.
Speaker 10 (39:43):
The Buffalo Bills, they got a two game losing streak.
It's a much approved Panthers team, but they got to
stay afloat they keep up with the Patriotes in the
AFC East.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
So I'm going with the Bills.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
But you don't have a starting quarterback for the Panthers.
Rice Rice is not playing. I don't think he Okay,
all right, I'm just even most muster. I'm just most mustard,
Sir Paulie, most must win game of the weekend.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
Ole miss football. You had Georgia last week, you let
him slip by your cruising. Now you're at Oklahoma getting
a touchdown. You got to take care of Oklahoma. You
could be odd man out if you lose this Laten season.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
I am going to say LSU against Texas A and M,
because then all of a sudden it starts to get
a whole lot warmer in Baton Rouge A and M
is a two and a half point favorite at LSU.
Todd also has sports names money related with Cash Patel,
the FBI Direct. Do you want to run through these
and then we'll welcome in John.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Sure, I'm sure I'm leaving some out, but just for fun.
Speaker 14 (40:43):
Off of Cash Pattel, Cameron, Dollar, Don Money, Penny Hardaway,
Dave Cash, Rich, Aurelia, Gary Pateon, Buck Williams, Octavio dotel
Ac Green.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Panoit, Benjamin like the Benjamin's.
Speaker 14 (40:56):
Ernie Banks, Jeff Van Notes, corn Bread, Maxwell, Rachel Nichols,
and lut Olsen.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Okay, loot Olsen, I love your emphasis.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
The loot how was a late end. I was excited
about that. A lot of second loot money.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Lootle John Tashaw look at him, six time Emmy winner,
Radio Hall of Famer. He of course was on Entertainment tonight. Man.
He gave us round Ball Rock and he has come
out with a first album of all original music. It's
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called Sports and he can talk about that coming up
as well. You've talked about that round Ball Rock helped
put your two kids through school. But what are you
making off of this round Ball Rock?
Speaker 7 (41:45):
In nineteen ninety when I heard the story, when I
heard that NBC had gotten the rights to the NBA back,
I'm in that sports ecosystem right because I'm working for
the network doing other stuff, and uh, and I thought, well,
what would a sports theme? What would an NBA theme
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sound like? And as the story goes, I woke up
in the middle of the night in majev France as
I was covering the Tour de France, and had a
melody in my head and it was kick cat kikkkkk
kick can't can And I knew that. I knew that
if I if I didn't, if I went back to sleep,
and I'm sure you've had this feeling you have a
great idea and you go back to sleep and it's gone.
I didn't have an answer. I didn't have a tape
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recorder or anything to put it down sheet music, And
so I called my answering machine in the middle of
the night at two am and and recorded that. And
when I got home the two sections, you know, Kit
kick g Ki kick can't kick in and Ki kick
kick where on my answering machine?
Speaker 9 (42:43):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Can I play that. One of the portions of this
is John Chesh calling himself.
Speaker 7 (42:52):
Hi, this is a message for me about the NBA theme.
Here's an idea. It goes like this, Yeah, yeah, that's it.
That's that's the original. The original I've.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Been played over twelve thousand times, John, that's sports history.
Speaker 7 (43:15):
Well. And and uh, it's supernatural for me because first
time it was on the air and I was sitting
in a bar watching it come on the air. I
had I had written hundreds of themes for for CBS,
in particular, uh, you know, football, everything for football to tennis,
and so this wasn't just another theme. It was sort
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of bouncy and not as epic as as most of
the stuff that I But.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Are you telling people in the bar, hey, that's my theme.
Speaker 7 (43:43):
I wrote that, Yeah, I did.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
It didn't go well.
Speaker 7 (43:47):
I was sitting there by im in Atlanta and its
San Antonio, I think was San Antonio versus the Lakers,
and I had no family or any of their fence
in Atlanta. So yeah, I went to a bar knowing
it was going to come on the air. And back then,
you know, only one network had the NBA, so it
was on every TV set and it was really loud,
and there was a lot of people in there watching it.
And so I'm sitting there for a while, and after
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the third time it came on the air, I couldn't
help myself anymore, and I said to the bartender do
you hear that song? And he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah,
he never did, right, And I go that I wrote that,
you know, and he goes, oh, yeah, you want another beer.
Speaker 9 (44:21):
You know, And that was it.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
You know.
Speaker 7 (44:23):
So two days ago, whatever it was last Tuesday, I'm
sitting in a bar in New York City after doing
the Today Show with my family, the Italian family, watching
four TVs at the twenty five years later, you have
thirty five years later since its debuted, and so yeah,
and we got the same reaction.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
But when I go to one of your concerts, how
long do I wait before you bring out round Ball Rock?
Speaker 7 (44:52):
Well, it's really strategic because my concerts are women who
have dragged their boyfriends or their husband's to a johns
Hedge concert, and they do that because they're looking for
a little relationship cred right, a little yeah uh. And
so the husbands are are like this, you know, we
joke about in the band, you know, and so we
save it until like the second to last song, and
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we because of ad libs, you know, the song is
only a minute four but we turn it into like
a fifteen minute segment why not right with stuff from
the Saturday Night Live bit and people learning how to
play it on all the different instruments, and people twirling
their batons, marching music to it, and and so this
becomes they lean over into their spouse and it's like no,
(45:37):
this is this is sorely it's like you know that
that kind of thing. So we finally get them, but
until that point, it's it's it's complete torture for the guys.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
But you have some songs off your album Sports Chasing
Gold Over Time, Mile eighteen Dream Mile, Iron War ConA, Paris,
seventy eight. So obviously you love these sports. What is
it about sports that brings about a theme or you know,
it becomes anthemic to you in your mind.
Speaker 7 (46:10):
Yeah, I mean, first of all, I do here in
my studio, I always have video playing. I have a
couple of you know, great loops highlights of many different sports,
and so I love that. I love that movement, and
it just it just the the experience of being there,
of being at the Iron Man, the experience of me
I ran five New York marathons poorly, of being in
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the start house with Franz Klamer at the beginning of
the labber Horn downhill in uh in Veng in Switzerland,
or having you know, Carrie strug uh you use a
piece or or figure skaters from Russia using a piece
of mind to skate to the I love writing in
that format and and and basically it's all left turns.
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You can't write verse, chorus, verse, chorus bridge, and then
you know, like the hit songs, it has to be
like okay, theme and then and then the brass hands
off to the strings, and the strings may play it again.
They hand off to maybe the drums, and so when
I turned Round Ball Rock in to to NBC, it
was fully formed like that, where there was a place
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for the theme and the animation and the peacock to
open up, and then there was a floor with it
just went bump bomb ba bump, bump bump, blah blah
that so that Marv could say, here we go, this
is happening. And then and then at the end it
was just doom doom, doom doom, so that we could
go brought to you by Macy's and Kohle's and Bud
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and that that kind of stuff. So knowing that, knowing
the segmentation of that, and that's what you hear on
the album Sports Too is the left turn. So it
might be in four to four rock four four, and
then it might go into a seven eight tempo, or
it might break down into just acoustic guitar, because that's
the way we work out right.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
We're talking to John Jash National Radio Hall of Famer,
six time Emmy Award winner, won a couple of Grammys.
He created Round Ball Rock. Better themes so entertainment Tonight
or Round Ball Rock, Oh.
Speaker 7 (48:04):
Round Ball Rock, I mean entertainment Tonight was what I
mean both Somebody in a review called, uh called round
Ball Rock the Hallelujah chorus for the NBA and and
and you can see it on people people now who
will say that when they hear those seven or eight notes,
that that always told them back in the day, run
to the run to the living room, because that was
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the start of basketball. Was the same thing with entertainments.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
Is this the Leonard Cohen like you're talking about Katie
Lang and you know, Hollylujah.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
That that version.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Is that what you're talking about, that that kind of
majestic song.
Speaker 7 (48:40):
Oh no, no, no, no, they're just saying that that
it was that the the eight notes of round Ball
Rock was was a hallelujah the the NBA is on right, Okay, yeah, yeah,
it would be nice if it became that that that song.
But with Entertainment Tonight. I didn't write Entertainment Tonight, although
we did record it. I used people would would hum
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that to me in airports, and you know, when I
flew to New York and came back, it wasn't that.
It was above blah blah blah blah basketball And and
people on X right have said over and over again
and even your fans. You know, hey, we want to
hear the lyrics first song. We don't a version of
the song, which also reminds me that, you know, when
NBC was experimenting during during the preseason, right on Peacock,
(49:26):
there was a there was a very serious conversation going
on about no, no, no, you can't. It has to
you can't edit the theme here. It has to hit
on this and it has to go like, you know,
like this, So fans are in charge now.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
But did you ever think about lyrics for round Ball Rock?
Speaker 7 (49:41):
Not until I saw the spoof on Saturday Night Live
when it when it became with Jason Siedeka's dressed like
me and my brother Dave. I don't have a brother,
day of Dave, Dave tesh and they and they were
auditioning the song for Vince Vaughan who was who was
supposed to be Dick Eversall at NBC and they and
they went blah blah blah blah blah, basketball game, gim
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me give me the ball because I'm gonna dunk it.
And they would high five on the on the dunkets.
So there are a lot of people and by the way,
by the way, Dan that when that came out in
the sort of the nascency of of of YouTube, when
YouTube was coming of age, that's when the theme came back.
That was really the point that I can point to
because it was on the shelf for twenty years. When
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ABC got the coverage away from from NBC back in
the day that was I went to I went to
ABC and said, hey, would you like another version of
this song? They said no, no, no, We're going to
do our own thing.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
And I think the.
Speaker 7 (50:41):
Reason for that was that this has always been the
NBA on NBC, and I think they're probably worried that
people were going to start turning in Nielsen ratings forms
with or I just saw it on NBC when they
saw it on ABC, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
All right, before I let you go, can you give
us a little taste of round ball Rock?
Speaker 7 (50:59):
Yeah, I I'd love to. And this actually this song
and eleven other new songs is on. You mentioned the
sports side, the sports record, which is which is not
an easy listening record. It's a record that you would
want to you would want to exercise do.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
So here we go.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Oh that was fun. How often does your wife stop
by and go, oh, no, not again around.
Speaker 7 (51:22):
It's a such good questions because right over there is
we're in our house. Right right over there is my
wife's office, and there's a hallway here. And when I
was working on the sports record, and she would hear
hear me, you know whatever, whatever melodies it was, and
she would walk by and she'd go football, and I'd go, okay, okay,
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up for this football. And then she'd hear something else
that she was walking back, and she'd go hockey, like hockey,
watch hockey, you know, hockey. And then she'd walk back,
you know, two days later, and she'd hear me do something.
She'd go, nope, that one's a horrible And so she's
definitely a producer on this record.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
Great to talk to you again. Congrats on Round Ball
Rock Part two.
Speaker 7 (52:05):
I'm a big fan.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
Thanks Dan, Thank you, Buddy, John tesh That was good
playing a little round Ball Rock there.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
I liked it.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Todd was, you know, bopping to the music there. It's good,
good sport there. And he's had some health issues, but
hopefully he's feeling a lot better. Round Ball Rock over
the course of twelve years, was played twelve thousand times
on NBC. It's been called the greatest sports theme ever written. Now,
(52:37):
I worked at ESPN and the Sports Center theme. I'm
going to put Sports Center up against Round Ball Rock.
Anybody with me on that? Nobody's with me on that.
Speaker 5 (52:52):
I'm with you. I think I probably did deada det more. Yeah,
in the nineties and two thousands.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
I think Sports Center theme, I would say, is the
greatest sports theme ever.
Speaker 5 (53:04):
Yes, on Sunday night when you guys did the big
Sports Center the weekend review, remember it's like ninety minutes. Yes,
in the conversation when that would come on and we
were sitting in college, that was the great way to
end your weekend as a sports guy. And you'd hear
the music like that's it. I got ninety minutes with
nothing to do.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
Yeah, yeah, seems so simple. But yeah, John Colby is
the guy who came up with this Sports Center thing,
and great guy. But I think he might have sold
it to ESPN. It's not like he gets residuals.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Yes, currently wishing he had sold that for more money.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Didn't know this fledgling you know, Cable Channel.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Was in eighty two and they started using it or whatever.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Yeah, yeah, John Colby came up with these Sports Center themes.
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at this time. Also football last night as the Chargers
roll the Vikings, Game one of the World Series coming
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to Toronto or he was going to the Dodgers, there
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then all of a sudden he left them at the
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with the FBI. So we'll talk to Wendy about this.
He'll join us coming up a little bit later.
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On.
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I'll start with the Chargers rolling the Vikings last night
because this was one of those games you gotta win.
There's certain games during the year where you go, you
gotta win that one. There's other games where you go,
you might win that one. There are other games where
you hope to win that one. This was one with
the Chargers trying to write the ship a little bit.
But I think the bigger picture here is the Vikings
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because JJ McCarthy haven't gotten any updates yet on that
high ankle spring, but he's been out for six weeks,
and Carson Wentz is not the answer. And this is
where you can't help but think that Sam Darnold has
played well, and Danny Dimes is playing well, and Kirk
Cousins could have been available to you to come back,
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and Aaron Rodgers flirted with you. He chose a different direction.
You chose a different direction. And I know that's this
is hindsight, but this is a situation where you've got
the best receiver in the game, and I wonder at
what point Justin Jefferson says, get me out of here,
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get me out of here, And I think that that's real.
He's got eight thousand career yards and this is This
is a situation where I felt like it's they got everything,
but they don't have a quarterback. Whether offensive line isn't
very good. In fairness to Carson Wentz, he got sacked,
he got hit a lot last night, an interception, doesn't
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look like he's comfortable back there. And I could understand
that if you don't have an offensive line, I don't
care what else you have, your quarterback is not going
to be successful. And Carson Wentz needs help anyway, and
he does not have that. But at what point does
Justin Jefferson say, you know, I need somebody to throw
me the ball. I'm in my prime. This is like
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the Bengals T Higgins, Jamar Chase. That's why I said,
don't waste another year. Get a quarterback who can help
you and Joe Flacco. Maybe he can come to the rescue.
Maybe he can keep you afloat during the regular season.
Maybe you get Joe Burrow back. Even if JJ McCarthy
comes back, I don't know what you have with him,
and he's going to have to kind of ease into playing.
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And in that division with the Lions, the Bears are
better and we know and Green Bay's got the best
record in the NFC. Time's running out, And that was
what I kept thinking when I was watching last night.
Time is running out on the Vikings. Justin Jefferson had
seven catches seventy four yards, so he's got eight thousand
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career receiving yards. The youngest player to reach that twenty
six years, one hundred twenty nine days, so he's one
hundred and sixty eight days younger than Randy Moss was
to reach eight thousand. But the Chargers didn't p last night.
And I still go back to Brian Flores in that
Vikings defense, and boy, they changed the NFL, and he
(05:08):
likes to do a lot of things. He'll make you
uncomfortable and maybe not, so you can put a lot
of blame on Carson Wins. The defense, by all accounts,
is still one of the elite defenses. They didn't punt
thirty seven to ten the final. All right, Seaton, what's
the poll question for the first hour of the program.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
I don't even know how to start with pole questions
for the gambling thing. Yeah, we did a few yesterday,
but good grief.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, I mean, looking at the last twenty four hours,
this is the perception. Let's say, six months from now.
Terry Rozier, Chauncey Billups totally exonerated, Damon Jones totally exonerated.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
It feels like this is going.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
To be lasting because it felt like, if you're a fan,
you probably already have suspicions. Most fans are like, ah,
it's fixed, Oh, they fix it. This is where it
kind of is a stamp that stays on you. It's
like when you go to the nightclub and you still
have the stamp on you the next day and you
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can't get it off. That's what this feels like. It's
just perception in reality. Now it could turn out to
be just plain reality, and that would be devastating for
the NBA. You got all these new TV partners, NBC
Peacock spent billions of dollars on this, ESPN brought in
the TNT guys. I mean, this was a big rollout.
(06:40):
Everything's gone great until the FBI stepped in. But try
to recap this, and I mean it felt like it
was out of Goodfellas and a James Bond movie it
or you know, Law and Order or Rounders. I mean,
there was so much involved in this, and then the
Mafia's involved. In this, and then are you giving information
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who are you giving the information to? How much money
are you getting kicked back if you take part in
these poker games? I mean, and everybody says the same
thing about that. Chauncey Billets made a lot of money.
I've never met somebody who's made too much money or
doesn't want to lose money. I mean, I Chauncey Billups, Yes,
he makes two and a half million dollars, you know,
(07:24):
as the Portland head coach. I mean, this is a
dream of his to be a head coach in the NBA,
and this happened before he got there. But he knows,
he knows that he can't do this. Damon Jones. I
assume all of these guys know that they can't do this.
But the you know, when you have individual prop bets
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that I've been screaming about this, don't let college kids
have prop bets attached to them. There's already enough pressure
you can't do it. And even with the pros, I
don't like prop bets. And we always think, oh, you know,
imagine if it's going to be a big name. It's
not going to be a big name who's going to
(08:05):
do this? Now, Terry Rogier is not a big name.
Damon Jones is not a big name. It's guys who
need the money. They get information. If Damon Jones knows
somebody who says Lebron's not playing, then you give that information.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
That's so valuable.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Terry Rosier, Hey, I'm going to pull myself out of
a game. Bet the under on my props, you know.
And you never think somebody's watching. If you go to
Michael Porter's brother, Johntay Porter, he's probably thinking, I'm in Toronto,
I'm on the bench. Nobody cares. Well, Vegas cares because
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Vegas monitors all of this. They have to. If they
see a spike, where what are the normal prop bets
for a guy like Johntay Porter coming off the bench?
Probably not a lot until there is and everybody wants
their piece, and then they go, well, nobody'll know that
I put ten grand on this. Nobody's going to know
(09:04):
that I put fifteen on this. Well, then you add
it up and all of a sudden, it's like something's
going on here. That's when the red flags happen. It's
always somebody who thinks I'm at some university or I'm
a role player on some team and I can get
away with this. Vegas is your watch dog. But there's
so much illegal betting. There's billions and billions and billions
(09:27):
of dollars bet illegally. I'm going to give you some
information here. Spoke to a source yesterday who said an
individual who bets on sporting events checks their betting app
and average of two hundred and ten times a day.
Twenty percent of eighteen to twenty four year olds in
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New Jersey have a gambling addiction. College kids. There are
up to two thousand mic bets. So these are bets
on the pitch, the swing, the hit, the run available
per baseball game, per Major League Baseball game, two thousand
micro bets. Ninety percent of your gambling is done online,
(10:14):
and at least six percent of individuals who gamble are
addicted to doing so. These are real numbers. Okay, they're
real numbers, And I caution you, Yes, DraftKings is a partner,
but I'm telling you to have fun with this. You
will not win if you're doing it, and you have
(10:35):
dispensable income and you can have fun. But an eighteen
to twenty four year old, that's where it's where it starts.
That's where it started for me, and that's where it metastasizes.
And then all of a sudden, you're in a hole.
And then you're putting things on a credit card or
you're taking your parents' credit card. It's all real. This
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is all real. I know, it's entertainment to see all
of those things. I'm just telling these are real numbers
that I have in front of me. Twenty percent of
eighteen to twenty four year olds in New Jersey have
a gambling addiction. It's real. And you know, we all
have that DNA that trait you know where, and I
(11:17):
have it, you know where I get addicted to things
and I'm all in on things and then you have
to go cold turkey and stop. So where this goes,
what this does to the NBA, This could be one
of the biggest scandals that's happened in our lifetime. They
said it's just the tip of the iceberg. I don't
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know who else is involved in this, but there was
a report that was Chauncey Billups giving information on a
game where he's telling people we're going to tank, We're
going to tank, We're going to have our first you know,
four guys sit down and a lot of people bet
on that bet on that game. So now you're fixing
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a game. And I mean you're committing a crime here.
Terry Rozier prop bet he was investigated before this, Damon Jones.
He was getting information is Lebron going to play? I'm
told Lebron's not going to play? And then you give
that information out and then they have text messages. Those
text messages don't go away, folks. As a friend of
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mine who worked for the FBI, he's like, you can
delete them, Oh, we still got them. And that's what
you saw yesterday where you go, wow, this is like
four years ago, five years ago, and they have the
conversation back and forth and it's not like, oh, what
are they talking about. I didn't have to read between
the lines. It was right there in bold print, right
(12:43):
in front of me. But this is and these leagues
can't act like they're victims. They took all of this money,
all of these moneies, but they are rules. There are
rules in place, and now you have this situation and
where Adam Silver has got to meet with the media
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and answer some pretty tough questions. All right, So I
don't know if there's a poll question seatan that can
be attached to this.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yeah, but I mean I have one for sure, goof
for your name, Operation nothing but bet or operation royal
flush might lead with that.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Real flush is funnier.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
At first I had lamer name, but then I changed
it to goofy your name good?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, sure, go ahead and pick one.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
Yeah, yes, Todd, I got to kick out of the
police yesterday because I love to play on words. They
couldn't use more gambling analogies. With sports, everything was like
you bet things are gonna be worse for you going forward,
and I don't care how many chips you think you
could put into a game, and just everything was like
a sports casino.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Well that's sometimes I'll be around people and they think
they have to dumb it down so I'll understand it
so they'll go okay. This would be like Patrick Mahomes,
I go, no, no.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
You just talk to me.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
You don't have to use the analogies. Oh, I couldn't
process like.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
He accused her on house arrests. There's no traveling, get that, NBA.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
He took a gamble and it's game over for all
of you. Crap.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Yeah, let's let's assume these accusations are real and they
are proven against the Chauncey Billups or Terry Rogier. Chauncey
Billups is currently in the Hall of Fame and he
was borderlined to get in, and you know, Pete Rose
didn't get in the Hall of Fame, and he was
not accused of sharing information with gamblers or possibly fixing
a game or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I don't think they're taking him out of the whole. No,
I know they didn't take oj out of the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 7 (14:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Well, there's sports crimes, and there's crimes crimes and billips.
If he's what he's accused of is a sports crime.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Well if he did this now and wasn't in the
Hall of Fame, then he wouldn't get in the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 7 (14:52):
Exactly, agree, Dan, you don't want to be loved in
with OJ.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah, I appreciate you bringing that up.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Don't get that many opportunities for your oj impersonation anymore.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Who would you rather work with the mafia or me
O J?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (15:09):
I think the toughest thing is for the NBA is
that people are going to move on with their weekends
and the casual fan is going to say, look what
the NBA was accused of, and they won't follow up.
Like you said, if people are exonerated or it goes away.
And now when you're in a bar and you run
into that guy who says, oh, the NBA it's all fixed.
They've got more ammunition. They always had Tim Donneghe, you
know seven. Now they got three more guys in twenty
(15:32):
twenty five, and you know, it's an easier case for
them to make. I'm still still doubt their case, but
it's easier for them to make.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I'm looking at the odds here for Chauncey Billups for
Coach of the Year, and.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
That's too sick.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
Hello, incentsive.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
He was playing a game of chaunts.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
By the way, you, I don't know if you know
that corner. Quietly, let you guys take it.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I blew right by the Meat Friday menu. We have
tried tip French dip sandwiches and poutine has it better
than we do? Yeah, I just went out there to
check out the try tip French dip.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yes, is that some kind of Russian food? What's the poutine? Canadian?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
You've never heard of poutine?
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I was trying to make a little putin poutine joke,
which obviously fell.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Wow, we really hit the jackpot with this menu. I
think you took an over here.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
Yeah so far.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I think you went over the first second.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
I don't know if I can get out of the
hole that I've been Right now, Chauncey Bellis is having
a better day.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Why didn't you double down? Okay, okay, how about we
take a break here? Okay, we take a break. Gangs
all here, Fritzy Seat and Marv Paula yours truly the
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Speaker 2 (17:54):
Coming up, we'll zero in on some of the Marquis
matchups college and pro football. Also, the most must win
game of the weekend, we'll have that for you coming
up as well. Cindy and North Carolina while we wait
for Brian Winhorse from the Mothership. Hi Cindy, what's on
your mind?
Speaker 9 (18:10):
Hi, long suffering Dolphins fan here. As I was watching
the game last night, I thought, oh, yeah, we played
the next Thursday night, And I looked at our schedule
and I realized, oh my goodness, we have four more
standalone games, including an international game and a flex game,
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and then of course the cap it all off on
Pearl Harbor Day would play the Jets. So I'm wondering
what would compel the NFL to put us in a
total of six standalone games and a flex game.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Well, you were a playoff team and they probably looked
at you as with Tyreek Hill and Tua, and why
not that they were going to showcase you. They thought
you were actually going to be good, Cindy. They made
a mistake. Even with Tyreek, you guys weren't very good.
The Tuist situation isn't getting better, and it feels like
(19:07):
there's going to be a house cleaning at the end
of the year. But those standalone games are tough because
then everybody has an opinion about your team. If you
played at one o'clock on a Sunday, nobody has an opinion.
But a standalone a Thursday or a Sunday or a Monday,
and then the next day, everybody's got an opinion about
your team. Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
And when there's a backup quarterback, the promo has to pivot.
It can't be Carson Wentz Justin Herbert. It's gotta be
Justin Jefferson and in the offense takes on Justin Herbert.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Stu in Indiana, Hi Stu, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Hi Dan?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Thanks for taking my call? Yeah, I just had a
little You mentioned the coach in the final scene of
Hoosier's The Final Game. That is that coach's name. He's
an actual legendary coach here in Indiana. His name is
Ray Crow. He's probably in the top five or top
ten and all time wins here in Indiana and high
(20:06):
school boys basketball. And I'm driving, so I didn't have
a way to check this, but I believe he was
the head coach of the high school team from Indianapolis,
Christmas Attics, and I think that team was the first
high school team in Indiana that was all black to.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Win a state title. Yeah, that was Oscar Robertson's team. Yeah,
Oscar Robertson Christmas Addicts. Yeah, Yeah, I was talking about that.
You have this final seconds turnover and you know Jimmy
Chitwood's going to hit a game winner, and the coach
was like smiling.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
It felt like they were taking cutaways and putting him
in and they had that. There should have been a
little more anguish there. Maybe I was looking for a
little more acting from coach. Yes, Pauline.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
So at the end of Hoosier's Jimmy Chitwood holds the
ball for maybe twenty seconds and then takes a shot.
In the real game, I think it was mile in
high school. The guy his name was Bobby Plump. He
held the ball for four straight minutes motionless with a
tide game, and then took the last shot. Four minutes
no shot clock. Yeah it's not good, but back then
(21:16):
that would have been bad in the movie.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
But I thought, if I'd come up on you, then
there can be five seconds and then there's a jump ball.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
Not in high school.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Back in the fifties, there was no shot clock, there
was no five second rule checking a player. Yeah, he
stood there motionless for a five minutes, four minutes.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, that's why all the greatness of Dean Smith. And
then he ran those four corners. I mean he had
Phil Ford, and I don't know, I hated that stalling tactic,
but you had teams that were able to do that.
Speaker 10 (21:44):
Yeah, Mormon, Yeah, Michael Jordan on my team, let's run
a four corners. Yeah, talking about.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
But Phil Ford was a great point guard. He's one
of those all time great college players, but not necessarily
a good pro career. In fact, I don't even know
how much he played in the NBA. Ernie d. Gregorio
played for Providence. They went to the Final four back
in the early seventies. He was a dynamic point guard.
(22:10):
He was Rookie of the Year I think for the
Buffalo Braves coached by Jack Ramsey, and they had Bob McAdoo,
but he kind of trailed off as well. You know,
they're just certain guys that they have these unbelievable college careers.
Rick Mount, Rick Mount's one of the greatest scores in
college basketball history, but he was just kind of undersized
when he went to the NBA. I think the Indiana Pacers.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
Yeah, Pauline, Yeah, Phil Ford played seven years in the NBA.
A little bit starter, a little bit bench.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, he's a great player, not a great shooter, but
a great leader, great you know, ball handler, run the
four corners. Hey, let's go watch a team stall.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
North Carolina of all like you have. You got a
bunch of five stars.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, well I don't think they were labeled five stars back.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Then, but if you go to North Carolina, you're somebody.
Yeah yeah, oh you know what, let's just stall were U,
NBC or somebody like that.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Jason Jason in Phoenix, Hi, Jason, what's on your mind?
Speaker 11 (23:08):
Hey?
Speaker 12 (23:08):
Thanks for taking my call?
Speaker 9 (23:09):
Guys.
Speaker 12 (23:09):
Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty not happy right now. Like two
things really got me kind of ert. Just this whole
pitching situation with the Dodgers, one point five billion dollars.
It's just a it's a monopoly and then shake go
to Alexander Man. This push off thing, it just I
played basketball. I cannot stand. I want to like literally
(23:31):
fight him, like watching him push off his people and
like the reps are not calling it, Like what the.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Heck Jason got anger issues?
Speaker 5 (23:40):
Yeah, push off?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
It's okay, you know, great players get away with stuff. Yeah,
but he's pushing off. I know he is.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
He is.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Not to the point where you should want to fight
Shay Gilgios, Alexander our No.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
When to have Paul question like the tush push bothers me.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
But Kelsey, I'm not going to come.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
From I'm not going after you know, Jalen Herds. Yeah,
let's see Aiden in Utah, Hi, Aiden, what's on your mind?
Speaker 11 (24:14):
Hey Dan? Good morning?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Good morning.
Speaker 11 (24:16):
Yeah. Yeah, I've always been in big component Oh right, sorry,
I've always pushed that the NBA is not really the
NFL is not really to fight back against everybody who
claims it is. I still don't believe that it is.
But just watching this go down, it's it's crazy. I
was watching ESPN yesterday, Greene had Shams on and on
(24:36):
the bottom ticker. It was a promo for ESPN bet
and it's just like, while they're talking about the gambling situation,
It's like, what what what would they what would have
to happen for gambling to be outlawed again?
Speaker 7 (24:49):
It's not happening.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
That chip has that yacht has sailed. It's on a
ship for that it's it's it's a yacht. Brian win Horse,
ESPN senior NBA writer, Wendy, thanks for joining us. I
know you're busy. When did you get a heads up
that there was something going on here? Let's start with
Chauncey billups We knew about Terry Rougier, but Chauncey billups An,
(25:14):
he heads up.
Speaker 13 (25:15):
Good morning, Dan. I had no heads up, and I'm
not sure Chauncey did either.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
You know.
Speaker 13 (25:22):
I was here in la and stay at the same
hotel as the Timberwolves, and I ran into some Timberwolves
folks yesterday in the hotel, like an hour after this happened.
And they had been in Portland the night before they
played against the Blazers. Some of the players, some of
the folks I talked to who said they had talked
(25:43):
to Chauncey. They complimented him on the way the team looked.
They had a real close game, came right down to
the final minute, and their home opener against Minnesota. Chauncey
talked about how excited he was about the team, about
how good of a training camp they had. I don't
think Chauncey knew it was coming either. Maybe he knew
he was the subject of an investigation, that's possible, but
the fact that he was going to get arrested in
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the in the you know, wee hours, I don't think
he knew was coming. I'm not sure how much heads
up the NBA had. I'm sure they knew it before
I did, but I'm not sure that's how the FEDS operate.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
What's the worst accusation pertaining to the NBA in your opinion.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
I don't think that.
Speaker 13 (26:21):
This is a scandal that rocks the NBA to its core.
I know that there are people that are going to
use it to say that, and certainly their association with
with sports betting can be called into question, as all
people associated with sports can be ESPNS can be.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
This.
Speaker 13 (26:41):
Really, there's two accusations here, and I think the poker
stuff is fascinating. I mean, you know this is right
out of a movie. You're talking about mob stuff, you're
talking about cheating at poker games, rigging poker games. That
was all interesting at the press conference. None of that
has anything to do with the NBA. Now there are
potentially NBA people who were at these games. I'm sort
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of fascinated that the Justice Department seems interested in protecting
the rights of people playing in illegal poker games, like
they're worried about the victims playing illegal poker games. But
that's for another day. But the Genavizi crime family or
whatever I laughed out loud about four times at that
press conference, that has nothing to do with the NBA.
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There's two different cases here. They were tied together in
the announcement, and I understand why they did that. Within
the Within the case against the folks involved with the NBA,
there are two different accusations. One is that that that
two players took themselves out of games so they're unders
would hit. Both of them were publicly known John tay
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Porter has already played guilty uh and has probably been
an informant on this case. The other, Terry Rozier, was
known and was investigated by the league, and he continued
to play, and that's definitely something the league has to address,
and I will I've talked to Lee about that, and
I'll tell you in a minute what they said. That
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is certainly a concern. That is not something that was
new news. It was new that Terry Rozier got federal charges,
but that was not new. So can you can be
upset by that, but it was something the league was
already aware of. The Other thing that was accused was
three different individuals were accused of leaking information to betters
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about who's going to be available in the games. One
was Chauncey Billups, one was Damon Jones, and one is
an indirect Orlando Magic player that was unnamed or the
magic player told somebody who told somebody else, and they
don't even indict anybody there. And that has been a
soft target for the NBA DAN for decades. The team
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decides or knows when a star player or any player
is going to play in the morning usually and then
doesn't reflect it on the end report because they're worried
about strategy and letting the other team know. And there's
this window of hours where there's inside information available. People
have exploited that for decades, and that is what Chauncey
Billups and Damon Jones are being accused of. There's a
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problem the NBA has tried to address. They've tightened their
injury reporting rules, they've fined teams for not following them,
but there's still a window there that can be exploited
and that's what this is. So it's definitely serious. The
NBA has got to worry about prop betting, and the
Adam Silver has talked about this, but this is the
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addressing of a problem that has existed for a long time.
It's not nothing, but I don't think it's like a
scandal that's rocking the league. They're gonna have to change
some policies, but it's and it's mostly shocking that it
ensnaes a Hall of Famer like Chauncey Billups. And let's
wait and see who else might get involved with a
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poker because NBA guys like to play poker and they're
not all in casinos, so I'll see about that. But
this is huge headlines, but I'm not sure that this
is the dire scandal that it may seem. If you
just watched the press conference yesterday.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Talking to Brian Windhorst of ESPN, senior NBA writer. The
one that stood out was Chauncey Billups letting somebody know
that he was going to be resting his starters, that
they were quote unquote tanking. That to me is troubling
because that's from a head coach. That's not a former
player like Damon Jones. That's a head coach. So that's
the one that's the most troubling for me.
Speaker 13 (30:36):
I would agree, I would agree, and I would say
that in the indictment. And I'm only going by what's
in the indictment, Dan, and I will tell you the
indictments about forty pages long. I read the indictment from
front to back, and I'm not sure how many people
who are talking about the indictment actually read it. Okay,
So in the indictment, it doesn't accuse Chauncey Billups of
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selling the information. It does accuse Damon Jones of selling
the information. In fact, in the indictment that names Chauncey
Bill actually doesn't name him. A first room was co
conspirator eight, but then gives his resume. It practically gives
social security number. It's very clear who it is. It
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doesn't say that he did it for money. It doesn't
say what he did it for.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Now.
Speaker 13 (31:22):
Let's if it comes out that he knew that this
individual that he told was going to sell it to betters,
that's really bad. If if he had some sort of
you know, maybe he owed somebody money and did it
as a favor. If there was some sort of return
from that, then I think you're looking at something serious.
If it was just Chauncey having loose lips, and that
loose lips leading to hundreds of tens of thousand dollars
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in betting winnings, that's different. The FBI does not accuse
him of selling it. The FBI accuses Damon Jones of
selling it. In fact, the FBI says that Damon sold
information on Lakers players to multiple games, and one of
the game proved to be wrong. The betters lost the bet,
and the guys wanted their money back. So I am
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gonna it is very upsetting that Chauncey is involved in this.
The league has to take serious action as it involves
with their public information versus private information on player availability.
But I am not going to sit here and say,
oh my god, this is the end of the NBA,
and everything's got to be reevaluated.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah. I mean, we have the headlines and their juicy,
and you're right, we don't do deep dives much anymore.
If you're Adam Silver, what would be your game plan
if you were advising him.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (32:36):
So the first thing I would say is the thing
that the league is going to have to address is
why Terry Rogier was investigated by the league and was
allowed to keep playing, and when the Feds investigate them,
they ended up indicting him. The league has a little
bit of egg on its face on this one. So
I asked a question of the league, how did that happen?
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And this is the answer that they gave me on
the record. League spokesman Mike Bass I'll tell you his name,
but he's speaking for the Adam Silver. Basically, it's that
the NBA is not the Justice Department. They can't do
wire taps, they can't have witnesses roll over on each other,
they can't get access to everybody's text messages. They can
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do investigator They can you know, they can get some
access to some people's phones. They can do investigations in
terms of you know, asking people and and sort of
threatening them and whatever. And I even asked them, I go, well,
what did you do in your investigation? And they say,
we're not going to say what we did because we
don't want everybody to know the taxics we use. But
they certainly don't have the Justice Department. And that sounds
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a little upsetting, but it's also candid. You know, the
NBA saying we're not the Justice Department is a candid answer.
It's not a satisfactory answer, but it's a candid answer.
So now what Adam Silver is going to have to
do is explain what the league can do. Okay, they
can't be the Justice Department, but now it's incumbent on him,
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but what they can do in these types of investigations.
And then here's something that's just got to be simple, Dan,
I've actually talked about this for years. They've just got
to be more honest with injuries. The teams cover up
injuries for strategic reasons. I'm not asking them to reveal
a player's exact health information and violate hippo laws. But
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if forty people in the team organization, forty people want
to shoot around that morning and know that the star
player is not playing at six o'clock or at seven o'clock.
They need to tell the world that. And sometimes it
is a game time decision. Sometimes a star player has
to go out there and stretch out and see how
his calf fields and see how his wrist field or whatnot.
Sometimes the concussion protocol isn't determined until closer to the game.
(34:49):
So say that, you know, but there is this soft
target that the NBA has had for decades. I mean
reporters are asked to operate in that field all the time.
You are asked, you know, to come on television and
say whether Lebron James is playing or not, because maybe
we happen to know that he went through shoot around
or something like of love's nature. That is something that
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the gamblers that tried to get the information and have
gotten that information for decades. So the NBA has got
to tighten that, and this investigation is probably going to
force them to do it. They have tightened it some.
They haven't just put their hands in their pockets. When
sports betting came in, they changed their rules, but the
rules haven't gone far enough. And this accusation is in
the cracks that there are still people operating in.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, they got to get rid of prop bets, you know,
especially college athletes. They should not be involved with prop bets.
There's enough pressure there. I don't know if I mean,
are we too far down the road that if the
NBA said to FanDuel DraftKings whoever Vegas, no more prop bets,
do they have any authority to do that.
Speaker 13 (35:51):
That's not my end of the business. I couldn't tell you.
I would say though, that, like, I've not seen gambling
walk back in one iota. Maybe maybe at some point
it will have to be just for society, but I
have I've only seen it go one way, and I
think you're right. I think the people that are that
are most susceptible to being compromised are people who have
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nothing to lose. Okay, a lot of NBA players have
a lot to lose. Okay, even John tay Porter, who
was holding on to the NBA by the skin of
his teeth, had a lot to lose. College players, there
are certain college players who know their careers are not
going anywhere, who don't have anything to lose, and so
that's college's soft spot. Before I covered the NBA, I
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covered the Mid American Conference. Okay, there's a ton of
players in that conference whose careers are going to end
and where they're at, they have nothing to lose. That's
a soft spot for college that may has not been
been a scandal yet, but I'd be worried about it,
just like you can find me talking about this this
gap that where the NBA, you know, the game time
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decision gap. I've talked about that over the years. This
indictment surprised me in terms of Chauncey Billups being involved,
It did not surprise me that this is the spot
where gamblers could take advantage.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Great to talk to you, have a good weekend. Thanks
for taking time. Thank you, Winny. That's Brian Windhorst, ESPN,
senior NBA writer. I remember being at the NBA Finals
and somebody had told me some information and I wasn't
passing it on. I'm not a gambler, but it was
valuable information to a gambler, and I, you know, I
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didn't really think about it, and they probably didn't think
about it either. But if you put that in the
wrong hands, you know, that's that's when you have situations
like this, because and you know, Brian brings up great things,
you know, like Chefty's going to find out a lot
of information, but he's got to be really careful in
what he says with that information because the amount of
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money that's bet and you're talking about sometimes it's a
half point now, the over under, point spread, injury, who's hurt,
who might not play, who's not going to be one hundred?
Like just little things. And how many times do these
games come down to, Hey, usc Notre Dame? What was
the point spread? Nine and a half? Notre Dame one
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by ten? And that's where people get misconstrued on oh,
it's fixed. No, that's Vegas doing its job. Vegas isn't
fixing these games. Vegas is really good at telling you
this is what's going to happen. And that was a
classic example. Is that so weird?
Speaker 4 (38:35):
You though?
Speaker 3 (38:36):
I know?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
People, how are that good? I know? But people like
that's why it's fixed, you know, ten point spread and
they had it at nine and a half. I give
them credit. That's why I don't bet. I can't beat them.
Take a break the most must win game of the weekend.
We'll have that for you coming up. More of your
phone calls after this. Thanks for listening to The Dan
(38:58):
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most must win game of the weekend before we get
to John Tesh Todd. I'm going to start with you
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the most must win game of the weekend.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Is we touched on it earlier.
Speaker 14 (39:22):
I've got to go Ravens four and two Bears, a
good team, but last call for the one in five
Ravens at.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Home and the Bears getting six and a half seaton the.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
Purdue boiler Makers home against Rutgers. That is a must
win still yours. I'm sorry, that is a must win game.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Okay, you got it, Marvin.
Speaker 10 (39:43):
The Buffalo Bills, they got a two game losing streak.
It's a much approved Panthers team, but they got to
stay afloat they keep up with the Patriotes in the
AFC East.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
So I'm going with the Bills.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
But you don't have a starting quarterback for the Panthers.
Rice Rice is not playing. I don't think he Okay,
all right, I'm just even most muster. I'm just most mustard,
Sir Paulie, most must win game of the weekend.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
Ole miss football. You had Georgia last week, you let
him slip by your cruising. Now you're at Oklahoma getting
a touchdown. You got to take care of Oklahoma. You
could be odd man out if you lose this Laten season.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
I am going to say LSU against Texas A and M,
because then all of a sudden it starts to get
a whole lot warmer in Baton Rouge A and M
is a two and a half point favorite at LSU.
Todd also has sports names money related with Cash Patel,
the FBI Direct. Do you want to run through these
and then we'll welcome in John.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Sure, I'm sure I'm leaving some out, but just for fun.
Speaker 14 (40:43):
Off of Cash Pattel, Cameron, Dollar, Don Money, Penny Hardaway,
Dave Cash, Rich, Aurelia, Gary Pateon, Buck Williams, Octavio dotel
Ac Green.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Panoit, Benjamin like the Benjamin's.
Speaker 14 (40:56):
Ernie Banks, Jeff Van Notes, corn Bread, Maxwell, Rachel Nichols,
and lut Olsen.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Okay, loot Olsen, I love your emphasis.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
The loot how was a late end. I was excited
about that. A lot of second loot money.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Lootle John Tashaw look at him, six time Emmy winner,
Radio Hall of Famer. He of course was on Entertainment tonight. Man.
He gave us round Ball Rock and he has come
out with a first album of all original music. It's
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called Sports and he can talk about that coming up
as well. You've talked about that round Ball Rock helped
put your two kids through school. But what are you
making off of this round Ball Rock?
Speaker 7 (41:45):
In nineteen ninety when I heard the story, when I
heard that NBC had gotten the rights to the NBA back,
I'm in that sports ecosystem right because I'm working for
the network doing other stuff, and uh, and I thought, well,
what would a sports theme? What would an NBA theme
(42:05):
sound like? And as the story goes, I woke up
in the middle of the night in majev France as
I was covering the Tour de France, and had a
melody in my head and it was kick cat kikkkkk
kick can't can And I knew that. I knew that
if I if I didn't, if I went back to sleep,
and I'm sure you've had this feeling you have a
great idea and you go back to sleep and it's gone.
I didn't have an answer. I didn't have a tape
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recorder or anything to put it down sheet music, And
so I called my answering machine in the middle of
the night at two am and and recorded that. And
when I got home the two sections, you know, Kit
kick g Ki kick can't kick in and Ki kick
kick where on my answering machine?
Speaker 9 (42:43):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Can I play that. One of the portions of this
is John Chesh calling himself.
Speaker 7 (42:52):
Hi, this is a message for me about the NBA theme.
Here's an idea. It goes like this, Yeah, yeah, that's it.
That's that's the original. The original I've.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Been played over twelve thousand times, John, that's sports history.
Speaker 7 (43:15):
Well. And and uh, it's supernatural for me because first
time it was on the air and I was sitting
in a bar watching it come on the air. I
had I had written hundreds of themes for for CBS,
in particular, uh, you know, football, everything for football to tennis,
and so this wasn't just another theme. It was sort
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of bouncy and not as epic as as most of
the stuff that I But.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Are you telling people in the bar, hey, that's my theme.
Speaker 7 (43:43):
I wrote that, Yeah, I did.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
It didn't go well.
Speaker 7 (43:47):
I was sitting there by im in Atlanta and its
San Antonio, I think was San Antonio versus the Lakers,
and I had no family or any of their fence
in Atlanta. So yeah, I went to a bar knowing
it was going to come on the air. And back then,
you know, only one network had the NBA, so it
was on every TV set and it was really loud,
and there was a lot of people in there watching it.
And so I'm sitting there for a while, and after
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the third time it came on the air, I couldn't
help myself anymore, and I said to the bartender do
you hear that song? And he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah,
he never did, right, And I go that I wrote that,
you know, and he goes, oh, yeah, you want another beer.
Speaker 9 (44:21):
You know, And that was it.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
You know.
Speaker 7 (44:23):
So two days ago, whatever it was last Tuesday, I'm
sitting in a bar in New York City after doing
the Today Show with my family, the Italian family, watching
four TVs at the twenty five years later, you have
thirty five years later since its debuted, and so yeah,
and we got the same reaction.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
But when I go to one of your concerts, how
long do I wait before you bring out round Ball Rock?
Speaker 7 (44:52):
Well, it's really strategic because my concerts are women who
have dragged their boyfriends or their husband's to a johns
Hedge concert, and they do that because they're looking for
a little relationship cred right, a little yeah uh. And
so the husbands are are like this, you know, we
joke about in the band, you know, and so we
save it until like the second to last song, and
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we because of ad libs, you know, the song is
only a minute four but we turn it into like
a fifteen minute segment why not right with stuff from
the Saturday Night Live bit and people learning how to
play it on all the different instruments, and people twirling
their batons, marching music to it, and and so this
becomes they lean over into their spouse and it's like no,
(45:37):
this is this is sorely it's like you know that
that kind of thing. So we finally get them, but
until that point, it's it's it's complete torture for the guys.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
But you have some songs off your album Sports Chasing
Gold Over Time, Mile eighteen Dream Mile, Iron War ConA, Paris,
seventy eight. So obviously you love these sports. What is
it about sports that brings about a theme or you know,
it becomes anthemic to you in your mind.
Speaker 7 (46:10):
Yeah, I mean, first of all, I do here in
my studio, I always have video playing. I have a
couple of you know, great loops highlights of many different sports,
and so I love that. I love that movement, and
it just it just the the experience of being there,
of being at the Iron Man, the experience of me
I ran five New York marathons poorly, of being in
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the start house with Franz Klamer at the beginning of
the labber Horn downhill in uh in Veng in Switzerland,
or having you know, Carrie strug uh you use a
piece or or figure skaters from Russia using a piece
of mind to skate to the I love writing in
that format and and and basically it's all left turns.
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You can't write verse, chorus, verse, chorus bridge, and then
you know, like the hit songs, it has to be
like okay, theme and then and then the brass hands
off to the strings, and the strings may play it again.
They hand off to maybe the drums, and so when
I turned Round Ball Rock in to to NBC, it
was fully formed like that, where there was a place
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for the theme and the animation and the peacock to
open up, and then there was a floor with it
just went bump bomb ba bump, bump bump, blah blah
that so that Marv could say, here we go, this
is happening. And then and then at the end it
was just doom doom, doom doom, so that we could
go brought to you by Macy's and Kohle's and Bud
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and that that kind of stuff. So knowing that, knowing
the segmentation of that, and that's what you hear on
the album Sports Too is the left turn. So it
might be in four to four rock four four, and
then it might go into a seven eight tempo, or
it might break down into just acoustic guitar, because that's
the way we work out right.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
We're talking to John Jash National Radio Hall of Famer,
six time Emmy Award winner, won a couple of Grammys.
He created Round Ball Rock. Better themes so entertainment Tonight
or Round Ball Rock, Oh.
Speaker 7 (48:04):
Round Ball Rock, I mean entertainment Tonight was what I
mean both Somebody in a review called, uh called round
Ball Rock the Hallelujah chorus for the NBA and and
and you can see it on people people now who
will say that when they hear those seven or eight notes,
that that always told them back in the day, run
to the run to the living room, because that was
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the start of basketball. Was the same thing with entertainments.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
Is this the Leonard Cohen like you're talking about Katie
Lang and you know, Hollylujah.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
That that version.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Is that what you're talking about, that that kind of
majestic song.
Speaker 7 (48:40):
Oh no, no, no, no, they're just saying that that
it was that the the eight notes of round Ball
Rock was was a hallelujah the the NBA is on right, Okay, yeah, yeah,
it would be nice if it became that that that song.
But with Entertainment Tonight. I didn't write Entertainment Tonight, although
we did record it. I used people would would hum
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that to me in airports, and you know, when I
flew to New York and came back, it wasn't that.
It was above blah blah blah blah basketball And and
people on X right have said over and over again
and even your fans. You know, hey, we want to
hear the lyrics first song. We don't a version of
the song, which also reminds me that, you know, when
NBC was experimenting during during the preseason, right on Peacock,
(49:26):
there was a there was a very serious conversation going
on about no, no, no, you can't. It has to
you can't edit the theme here. It has to hit
on this and it has to go like, you know,
like this, So fans are in charge now.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
But did you ever think about lyrics for round Ball Rock?
Speaker 7 (49:41):
Not until I saw the spoof on Saturday Night Live
when it when it became with Jason Siedeka's dressed like
me and my brother Dave. I don't have a brother,
day of Dave, Dave tesh and they and they were
auditioning the song for Vince Vaughan who was who was
supposed to be Dick Eversall at NBC and they and
they went blah blah blah blah blah, basketball game, gim
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me give me the ball because I'm gonna dunk it.
And they would high five on the on the dunkets.
So there are a lot of people and by the way,
by the way, Dan that when that came out in
the sort of the nascency of of of YouTube, when
YouTube was coming of age, that's when the theme came back.
That was really the point that I can point to
because it was on the shelf for twenty years. When
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ABC got the coverage away from from NBC back in
the day that was I went to I went to
ABC and said, hey, would you like another version of
this song? They said no, no, no, We're going to
do our own thing.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
And I think the.
Speaker 7 (50:41):
Reason for that was that this has always been the
NBA on NBC, and I think they're probably worried that
people were going to start turning in Nielsen ratings forms
with or I just saw it on NBC when they
saw it on ABC, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
All right, before I let you go, can you give
us a little taste of round ball Rock?
Speaker 7 (50:59):
Yeah, I I'd love to. And this actually this song
and eleven other new songs is on. You mentioned the
sports side, the sports record, which is which is not
an easy listening record. It's a record that you would
want to you would want to exercise do.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
So here we go.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Oh that was fun. How often does your wife stop
by and go, oh, no, not again around.
Speaker 7 (51:22):
It's a such good questions because right over there is
we're in our house. Right right over there is my
wife's office, and there's a hallway here. And when I
was working on the sports record, and she would hear
hear me, you know whatever, whatever melodies it was, and
she would walk by and she'd go football, and I'd go, okay, okay,
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up for this football. And then she'd hear something else
that she was walking back, and she'd go hockey, like hockey,
watch hockey, you know, hockey. And then she'd walk back,
you know, two days later, and she'd hear me do something.
She'd go, nope, that one's a horrible And so she's
definitely a producer on this record.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
Great to talk to you again. Congrats on Round Ball
Rock Part two.
Speaker 7 (52:05):
I'm a big fan.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
Thanks Dan, Thank you, Buddy, John tesh That was good
playing a little round Ball Rock there.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
I liked it.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Todd was, you know, bopping to the music there. It's good,
good sport there. And he's had some health issues, but
hopefully he's feeling a lot better. Round Ball Rock over
the course of twelve years, was played twelve thousand times
on NBC. It's been called the greatest sports theme ever written. Now,
(52:37):
I worked at ESPN and the Sports Center theme. I'm
going to put Sports Center up against Round Ball Rock.
Anybody with me on that? Nobody's with me on that.
Speaker 5 (52:52):
I'm with you. I think I probably did deada det more. Yeah,
in the nineties and two thousands.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
I think Sports Center theme, I would say, is the
greatest sports theme ever.
Speaker 5 (53:04):
Yes, on Sunday night when you guys did the big
Sports Center the weekend review, remember it's like ninety minutes. Yes,
in the conversation when that would come on and we
were sitting in college, that was the great way to
end your weekend as a sports guy. And you'd hear
the music like that's it. I got ninety minutes with
nothing to do.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
Yeah, yeah, seems so simple. But yeah, John Colby is
the guy who came up with this Sports Center thing,
and great guy. But I think he might have sold
it to ESPN. It's not like he gets residuals.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Yes, currently wishing he had sold that for more money.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Didn't know this fledgling you know, Cable Channel.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Was in eighty two and they started using it or whatever.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Yeah, yeah, John Colby came up with these Sports Center themes.
All Right, last call for phone calls, what we learned,
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