September 21, 2022 • 48 mins
On Today's Dan Patrick Show, DP discusses Aaron Judge's 60th homer and his next contract. Is he worth a 10 year contract at the age of 31? Yankees color analyst David Cone joins us and shares who he thinks is the Single Season Home run champ. And Former NFL Head Coach Rex Ryan picks between who he'd rather game plan against, Justin Herbert or Patrick Mahomes.
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coming up as well. This is how it sounded last night.
Here's Michael Kay with the call. Filder's on the left
side for judge, and here's the three one Joe picked
up field. There it goes number sixty. Slide over, Babe,
you've got some company, Aaron James, Judge, past time, George Herman,
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Babe Ruth with sixty home runs. Well, it's been a
season to remember the Yankees outfielder in hot pursuit of
Roger Marris and also the Triple Crown. People don't realize
best average, best homers and best RBIs right now it's
Aaron Judge, the four time All Star is going to
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be a free agent in the off season. Judge has
had a historical season, but that doesn't mean that you
should give him a ten year deal, which is probably
what he's going on one. He's going to be thirty
one at the start of next season. There have been
injuries injury concerned throughout his seven year career. That's not
a great combination for somebody looking for probably a ten
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year contract. Every player ages differently, so it's hard to
predict how much longer Judge will be in his prime.
And I always thought, you know, the bigger the guy,
the more holes in his swing. But Judge with the
batting average, great eye at the plate, certainly this year
and he's been healthy the entire season. He's probably on
the verge of a record breaking contract. But I would
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think this is a little riskier than people would probably
like to think. I'm looking at some of these contracts
that didn't work out. Jason Hayward signed an eight year
deal with the Cubs that didn't work out. Robinson Cano,
don't you know, signed with the Mariners ten year deal.
Tigers resigned Miguel Caprera eight years, two hundred and forty
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million dollars. Baltimore resigned Chris Davis seven years, one hundred
and sixty one million, Josh Hamilton the Angels five years,
Eric Hosmer Padres eight years. Yankees signed Jacobe Elsberry seven years,
one fifty three. Carl Crawford in the Red Sox seven years,
one forty two. I would not want to give Aaron
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Judge a ten year deal. Now here's what has not
been brought up very often, and it should be because
Aaron Judge is from the West Coast. I don't know,
if you know when the Yankees had their offer that
was just over two hundred million dollars Aaron Judge's side,
I don't believe countered. There wasn't one of those no,
we want this, they want to wait. Does Aaron Judge
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want to stay a Yankee? I'm curious about that, because
if you do, then maybe you would have countered or said, hey,
I'll do it. I want this, But he didn't. I
think it was the Yankees offer just over two hundred
million dollars and he said, no, that's it. And now
he bet on himself he could be the MVP triple Crown,
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and he could surpass Roger Marris single season home run record,
all in the same year. And I was curious where
he stood with Barry Bonds and Mark McGuire so at
the same point of the season, through the team's first
one hundred forty seven games, Judges played in one hundred
forty three, McGuire played in one hundred thirty nine, and
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Bonds played in one thirty eight. At this juncture, through
one hundred forty seven games, Bonds had sixty four home
runs in two thousand and one, McGuire had sixty two
in nineteen ninety eight, Judge with sixty. Right now, as
far as strikeouts, if that matters, Bonds had struck out
eighty nine times, McGuire one thirty nine, and Judge one
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fifty nine. Intentional walks Bonds had twenty nine, McGuire twenty eight,
Judge seven. Team total walks. Bonds had one hundred and
fifty three walks, McGuire one fifty one, and Aaron Judge
at ninety three. I'm surprised they pitched to it. I'm
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also even more surprised that they don't pitch well to him.
You know, you know he's coming to the plate and now, look,
if you want to challenge him, great. I love competition,
but I also want to be smart when I compete.
I want to be smart when I pitch, and it
just doesn't seem like that. There are pitches that are
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thrown that are right over the middle of the play.
It's not like he's hitting a bad ball home run.
Manny Ramirez would do that all the time. Vlad Guerrero
great bad ball hitter. But Judge, it's just like here
you go, let me see if you can hit it.
And yeah, yeah, but he hit it. Yeah, Setan. You knows,
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sometimes you try so hard not to do something that
that you end up doing it. Yeah. I wonder if
that's what is getting in pitchers heads, because some of
those balls, it's like, yeah, like this hanging curveball that's
just right there, you know, it smashes the crap at
explain it to me. But you're talking about that you
try so hard but to not throw a pitch over
the plate. Yeah, like I think maybe some of the pitchers.
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You know, if you're on the mounds last night, you know,
all right, well this could be sixty as soon as
Aaron Judge steps up to the plate, whether you're really
conscious of it or not, you know that there's like
a home run record on the line, and so you're
trying not to give up an easy pitch or a
home run ball, you know what I mean? Yes, boy,
So it's a bob of the ninth. The Yankees are
down eight to four to Pittsburgh. Will Crowe as a pitcher,
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he comes in, he pitches to Aaron Judge. Now, I'm
not a baseball X Broun. Situational baseball and when you
should put someone on first base, but Aaron Judge, you're
up four runs, wouldn't you park him at first? And
then deal with Rizzo who's not playing well and also
coming off to DL. It just said you start with
the home run and then the Yankees just went crazy
hit walk. Well, you know you don't want to put
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him on. That's what the pitcher said. He said that
Judge did what he was supposed to do. Three one count.
I'm not going to put him on. I felt like
I just wanted to go after him. Started away, came
back in. He put a good swing on a bad pitch. Yeah,
that's the key. That that part of the sentence is
the key. It was a bad pitch and he took
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advantage of it. I love when I see pitchers who
are willing to pitch against somebody, because a lot of times,
you know, in this era, it's about I'm going to
throw it and then you swing. That's it. There's really
no gamesmanship. And you know baseball is, you know, part
of the history of it, the lore of it is
the gamesmanship of how to pitch somebody, how to pitch
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around somebody. But with baseball now it's I'm going to
throw it and let me see if you can hit it.
All right, you hit it, you're a better man than me,
and it's a solo home run. But then Gie and
Carlos Gian Carlos Staton hit a Grand Slam and they
beat the Pirates. Yeah, the Pirates three gave it up
to Judge. His name is will Crow. His great great
uncle was named Red Ruffing he played. He played on
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the same team as pay Bruth in the Yankees in
nineteen early nineteen thirties. He went out and visited the
Monument Park there as well Will Crow did prior to
the game. I guess soaking up some of that Yankee history.
But uh, you know, gave up the home run and
it was not a good pitch. I mean, great pitch
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for judge, but if you're trying to stay away from
the most dangerous home run hitter, you didn't do a
very good job. Not good, as Brady Hope might say,
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Dan dot com, all right, what's pull question today? There
O'Connor more impressive Dan hitting seventy three home runs in
a season, hitting sixty plus home runs three times over
four seasons. This is a very designed poll question by
a Chicago sports fan. Take away any biases you can
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and you cannoct in jack steroids into this topic because
both guys are accused people. But Barry Bonds hit over
fifty home runs once in his career. He hit seventy three.
Now they took the bat out of his hands a
lot with walks. Would you rather hit seventy three in
one season or sixty plus three out of four seasons,
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which by Sammy soci Yes, Uh, I guess if I'm
gonna do it, I want to be the best to
do it, So I would take the seventy three. I'd
I'd be a one now if I'm also factoring in
everything else that Bonds did in his career. It's not
like he just had one moment one year. He had
an entire career. So so that's impressive. But no one
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ever brings up Sosa for the whole of Fame. He
never never he broke Roger Marris's record three times. Yeah,
but but he's when it comes up for the Hall
of Fame, it's Bonds and Clemens. It's never Sammy Sosa ever. Yes,
but don't you want to show the consistency of how
well you take steroids? By getting sixty plus a three years,
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It's like, Wow, he can really kept the cycle cycle
of today all right, respect, I'm gonna give you a
blue bloop on that one. It's it's like Land's Armstrong.
I know if you did it once and you dominated, Okay,
I'm gonna cheat so well, I'm gonna do it seven times. Yes,
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to be fair to Bury Bonds. The reason he didn't
hit he hit seventy three in two thousand and one.
The next three seasons he hit forty six homers, forty five,
forty five. The reason is because they took the bat
out of his hands. The year after he hit seventy three,
they walked him one hundred and ninety eight times, not intentionally,
but um it's the most, and then one hundred and
forty eight times in two thousand and four at each
thirty nine, Bonds was walked two hundred and thirty two times,
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by far the most in MLB histories, and still hit
forty five home runs. They took away one third of
his at bats. Yeah, well, I do believe if you
pitched to him in two thousand and one when he
hit seventy three, he would have hit one hundred home runs.
He would have he would have hit one hundred home runs.
I truly believe that. Yeah, Paul, you asked Smalts about it,
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and you were asking John Smalt, who was at his prime,
what it was like the face Bonds. He goes, he
was the only guy where there's nowhere to put it. Yeah,
like there's no like down low, in high you know,
all speed, there was no pitch that worked. So the
only pitch that worked was putting on first base. And
Bonds had such a great eye at the plate, So
let's take away the steroids. His ability to see a
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strike or let one go. He had a breadbox and
he waited for you to serve it, and if you
put it in there, he was going to hit it out.
That's it. He wouldn't mess with the other stuff. It's like,
here's the window. If you put it here, I'm going
to take this piece of cheese and I'm taking it deep.
And you know, he wasn't a great batting average guy.
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A couple of years back with the Pirates, he was,
but you know a lot of times those guys will
hit you know, two seventy and hit forty home runs.
But he did have a great eye. Yes, Ken Griffy
Junior nineteen ninety eight hit fifty six home runs. That's
a tremendous accomplishment. That's a hell of a lot of
home runs. The only problem is Sammy Sisa hit sixty
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six and McGuire hit seventy. You don't even realize that
that Ken Griffy Junior had that many home runs that
year because it's just so overshadowed. Yeah, that's a lot, though, Yeah,
it is, at least it used to be. He used
to be. Yeah, but fifty six. Okay, But if we
have today's baseball mentality, you go out there and you
throw really hard, and then I swing really hard. Why
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is it the judge has sixty home runs and the
next closest is twenty home runs less, Kyle Schwarberg, Why
aren't a bunch of guys hitting fifty if everybody goes
up there trying to hit a home run? Seaton answer me, Yes,
he may have a certain advantage of a short porch,
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but I don't know. Yeah, but right field at Yankee State,
and that's why you always have great home run hitters
that they're they're left handed hitters. Yeah, I don't know
how many of his went over right field fence, but
maybe I don't know. Judge hits them to left in
no you know, some of these guys have the ability
to go the other way. Opposite way. Yes, point, here's
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my my favorite steroid era stat nine nine nine. Sami
so hit three hundred. He hit sixty three home runs
and one hundred and fifty RBIs. He finished ninth in
the MVP voting. You you know what, that's not that great,
but sixty three. I'm trying to think what people thought
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of Sosa back then. I know the team wasn't that good.
They were competitive a couple of times. They started getting good.
Actually when his homers went down. You know, in two
thousand and two, three and four, he was at the
tail end. He was still hitting homers, but not He's
hitting more like forty five homers. And then they started
playing well with Wooden prior. But he never tested positive.
You know, for all these people to talk about Bonds,
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you know or Clemens, hey, you know, they didn't test POSI. Okay,
I don't think Sammy did. He had a quarked bat,
but he didn't test positive. I'm just trying to understand
the logic there, not that Sosa should be in the
Hall of Fame. Do I think he cheated, Yes, I do,
But it doesn't feel like you're treating him the same
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way you do. McGuire and Sosa and Sammy did it
on a more consistent basis then McGuire and Bonds did.
When you think about it, You're coming over. I'm getting over. No,
I'm here, I'm wittling away. I'm not coming over. Not
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He's David Kone, former Yankee chant, now a Yankee announcer
on the S Network. As Aaron Judge has hit his
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sixtieth home run and David kne back on the program,
good to see you. David. If you were pitching last
night in the ninth inning when Aaron Judge came to
the plate, would you have gone at him or avoided
in that situation, I would have gone at him. I thought,
Will Crowe did the right thing. You had a four
run lead, you know Aaron Judge at that point it
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was a three to one count. Yeah, yeah, I would
have challenged him. You know, I pitched in Cal Ripken's
last game at Camden Yards and I threw him nothing
but fastballs the whole night. I tried to challenge him.
It was kind of the honor system. I knew it
was his fair. You know, I respected him so much,
so I've actually been in that situation before, and I
did exactly what will Crow did last night. I admired that.
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You know that you felt like, hey, this is the
last time we're gonna see Cal, and if he hits,
if he takes me deep, you were fine with that.
I was fine with it. It was a meaningless game
and it was his last game, and that had such
enormous respect for how he went about it. And I
think that's part of the reason why you see opposing
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pictures or respect Aaron Judge so much, because the way
he acts, the way he carries himself. He hit the
sixtieth home run, set his bat down, quietly, ran around
the bases as if it was like any other home run,
and I think that really resonates with opposing pictures. And
I've heard that around the league about how much respect
that Aaron Judge garners because it's just the way he
carries himself, similar to the way Cal Ripken carried himself.
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How would you pitch to Aaron Judge? He has really
changed Dan this year. I mean, he's really made great
improvements on not chasing as many breaking balls. You know,
used to try to get him to chase sliders off
the plate, right and left, one after another, eventually you
get him to chase. He's not doing that anymore. When
guys stopped chasing fastballs and slow stuff away, then they're
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usually susceptible with fastballs up and end. He's hitting those
pitches as well this year, so there's really no one
place to go and get him out this year. I
think that's why he's on the verge of a triple
crown in the American League this year. Yeah, and I
think that's important. You know, his batting eye and he's
thirty years of age, so that to me is what's interesting.
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That he is making himself better, learning to be a
better player at age thirty. That doesn't normally happen at
that age. No, he doesn't. You know, he's got a
set up he's got sort of his own program, his
own hitting style, his own swing that he owns. But
he also has these high speed pitching machines that Yankee
Stadium and the bows of the stadium. If you walk
through the bows of Yankee Stadium, you'll see a pitching
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sort of a batting cage setup for Aaron Judge. And
it's a high speed pitching machine that throws one hundred
mile an hour sliders. It it can make it break
at that high velocity, and he'll he'll go up there
in between innings and he'll just track really fast sliders,
high spin sliders, and he's trained his eye to sort
of see that so that when he's in the game
and he sees a ninety mile an hour slider, it's
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like taking the donut off the bat. You know, it's like,
oh yeah, I track it, I see it. Now. Who
do you consider the single season home run chip? Wow?
You know there's an asterisk. It's still Barry Bonds, but
you have to put an asterisk around the steroid era.
You know, I'm not saying we don't acknowledge them. I'm
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not trying to be judgmental and the wholier than thou
with my attitude, but I do think we need to
acknowledge the elephant in the room that you know, these
guys probably were enhanced. They probably did use performance enhancing drugs.
Even though you know, we don't have definitive proof, we
certainly know pretty well. You know the Verry Bonds did
and Mark McGuire did, So you have to put an
asterisk around that era. So who is the real one?
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That's a great debate. That's what makes this so interesting
that pianists, a lot of people think it's right now.
What Aaron Judge is doing is the real home run chase.
And Aaron Judge himself, who grew up in the San
Francisco area, still credits Barry Bonds. He said, I was
a kid watching Barry Bonds flip him into the into
the Bay at San Francisco, So you know, he considers
Barry Bonds the real home run champs. So yeah, that's
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that's what bigs. Baseball is so great. We can debate
these generational type things more than any other sport. Yeah,
but I didn't have to be on the mound facing
these guys, you did. What's that like knowing that that
guy in my mind is using performance annuancing drugs and
you have to pitch to him. It was the lines
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were blurred back then in the nineties. I mean with
the benefit of hindsight, now I can look back and say, hey,
wait a minute, you know I want my pitching numbers adjusted.
I pitched a different era here. Wait by EIRA was
better than it really really was. Well that's why I
look at what Pedro Martinez did, Coney, I mean Pedro was.
I mean, that's in the American League, in the steroid era,
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in the heart of it, and Pedro is dealing. That's
exactly right. That's you know, that's this sort of you know, baseball,
we have these advanced metrics that have these adjusted stats
OPS plus e RA A plus that factors in the
environment that you played in the league averages. Well, you're right,
Pedro Martinez could be the greatest pitcher ever because of
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what he had to deal with in that era. And
Aaron Judge could be having the greatest season ever because
he's played in an integrated era. He's playing in an
era that the you know, we do test for steroids.
He's playing in an era where offense is down across
the board. He's got twenty more home runs than the
next guy. He's completely lapped the field. But that's what
I don't David, is in today's analytics, everybody's trying to
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hit home runs. You're throwing as hard as you can,
and I'm swinging as hard as I can. Why are
home runs down? Why? I think partly is the baseball.
Major League Baseball has talked about changing the baseball. They're
certainly you know, Major League Baseball owns Rale, who makes
the baseballs. They they're on record as saying they're trying
to make the baseball more uniform. The theory among pitchers
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in the major leagues is that there's two different baseballs.
There's one that flies and there's one that dies. This year,
they're using the one that dies more, is what they say.
So in Major League Baseball is on record this isn't
this isn't me breaking any new news. That they're trying
to make the baseball travel less. Why get more action
into the game. I think they I think they're trying
to have a uniform baseball that gets away from exactly
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what you're saying, where it's just a home run game.
We want more contact, we want more action. That's why
the rules are changing next year with the pitch clock, YadA, YadA, YadA.
That that's that's the theory behind a lot of these changes.
I wonder if pitchers pitched to Bonds when he hits
seventy three, if he would have hit a hundred home
runs that year. Dude, it's a valid question, Dan, really is,
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because you look at how many times Yeah, I think,
what two hundred times he was walked that year or one? Yeah, yeah,
one eighty and a lot of those were intentional, A
lot were unintentional. Fuck Showalter walked up with the bases
bloated in one game. I mean, you know, when they
go four, we'll suck up that run and you go
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take first base. That's how ridiculous it became with Bonds.
Oh my god, did you face Bonds in that error?
I faced him when he was in Pittsburgh when I
was on in the National League. So and then we
in nineteen ninety two, we were both were free agents
and he went to San Francisco. I went to Kansas City.
So that was kind of the last time I saw him.
Was was his Pittsburgh days the first six years of
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his career. I wonder about you mentioned Judge growing up
in the Bay Area. He turned down the deal with
the Yankees, but didn't even counter that offer I think
by the Yankees. How much concern do you think there
is with the Yankees that maybe Aaron Judge does want
to play some place else, Maybe he does want to
play in San Francisco. We just don't know. I mean,
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Aaron Judge is played this so close to the vest,
you know, Dad, we were in Boston recently and somebody
asked him about Boston and he said, oh, what great fans.
You know, Boston was a great place to play. I
mean it's like he has the script and he's playing
the poker and nobody can read him. He has no tells.
We don't know what he really thinks. We don't know
how important his home is to him, where he grew up.
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We don't even know if the Giants are going to
be in play, even though we think they might be,
if they're going to spend that kind of money. So yeah,
I mean, he's got one shot at this. Aaron Judge
is thirty years old. He's got one shot at being
a free agent and actually finding out what other offers
will be. And I think he's so close. That's what
he wants to get to. He wants to find out
is there another owner out there? Is there a couple
of owners out there that are going to really push
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the system. And that's the only true way you can
find out what your mark of value is. But I
wonder about that. Pooh Hooles was thirty one when the
Cardinals let him go. They got a Hall of Fame
career from Pooholes and it was the right decision. Judge
is going to be thirty one starting this next season.
Would you sign him to a ten year deal? Well, yeah,
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you know that he is. Here's where the rubber beats
the road. The reason there are ten year deals out
there is because the owners themselves want to spread out
those costs because of the luxury tax. They could theoretically
pay Aaron Judge what he's worth. What is the top
of the payroll right now, Max Scherzer makes in the
mid forties. Okay, give Aaron Judge a six year deal
then for fifty million a year, rather than try to
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do the ten year deal for thirty five or forty
million a year. It's the owners who want to spread
out those costs and avoid the luxury tax, So you know,
it's hard to blame the players for that. It's hard
to say, well, we can't give them ten years because
it'll be thirty eight. Well you don't have to. You
can pay him top dollar ago, way above and beyond
for five years and pay him more than anybody else
in the history of the game, because he's doing something
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else than nobody else in the history of the game's
doing this year. So he certainly proved his worth. We're
talking to David Khne. He is announcer for the Yankees
on the S Network and of course a former Great
Pitcher World Series champ. Why didn't the Yankees bunt on
Kurt Schilling in Game six? You know, four comes. I
heard you say that before. It's it is so good
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that you say that, and it's it brought back the
memories to me. I'm watching that series and thinking the
same exact damn thing. You know. It's like you had
to test him, didn't you. I mean, certainly it shows you, Dan,
that people don't know how to bunt anymore. It's a
lost start. Probably the best of the last best great
bunner I saw was Brett Butler, the great leadoff hitter
for the Dodgers and the Braves. At one point he
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could do it with the best of them. Wait till
the last minute, Diskuys that laid down a bunt. Guys
just don't know how to bunt anymore for the last
twenty years. Really, Oh my god, you faced Gwynn a
few times, right, yes, many times? What's that? I remember
talking to Maddox He said, you know, I got to
the point where I didn't know how to what to
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throw to him because it felt like he knew whatever
I was throwing, I was gonna be around the plate,
he was going to do something with it. Like they
don't have batting eyes like that, and you don't get
paid to hit for you know, three sixty three seventy.
I mean, do you think we're ever getting back to
that where you know, you got bogs and you know,
crew in each Yurow and these guys Brett that it
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meant something to bat that high because the analytics that
you know, they're not going to favor you when it
comes to making money. You know, I think it's you're
dead on once again. You know. The ironic part is
theo Epstein, who is one of the most progressive thinkers
in the last twenty years is now out of baseball
and on the management side trying to sort of disassemble
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everything he created and create new rules to kind of
get more action in the game. Exactly to the heart
of the matter of what you're talking about. We need
more contact, we need more action, We need more base running,
we need more doubles and triples. We need something that
happens sooner in baseball games. There's four minutes between a
ball putting a play now compared to two minutes a
thirty years ago. So you know, that's really what's going
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on in Major League Baseball now. Trying to address exactly
what you're talking about Tony Gwen was unreal. You know,
the joke among pitchers was, you know what you have
to do to him, Just throw it down the middle,
because he doesn't know what to do with a pitch
down the middle. You know what, any hits a line
drive to right, you throw it away. It's a line
drive to left. So just throw it down the middle
of the first pitch and see see if he confuses himself.
Are the Dodgers an old time great team this season?
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They have a chance to be. They have a chance
to be the greatest team in Dodgers history. And then
also to get into the argument of all time greatest teams.
We don't know how many games are gonna end up
winning if they get to the one ten to one
twenty area, maybe one hundred. We had one hundred and
fourteen in nineteen ninety eight and we closed the deal
and won the World Series. A couple of years later,
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the Seattle Mariners won one hundred and sixteen games in
the regular season each e rose first year, but they
didn't close the deal, and nobody talks about that. So yes,
if they close the deal, they have their signature moment.
They're kind of in the middle of a little dynasty
right now, the Dodgers, and this could be their nineteen
ninety eight Yankees year, the one that really is their
signature point in time, the great one of the greatest
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teams in franchise history. I think the Dodgers could easily
do that. They're having a signature year, not only in
the history of baseball for that organization, it's the Dodgers
going back to Brooklyn. This could be the greatest Dodgers
team of all time if they can close it out.
Where are your World Series rings? I have been storage. Actually,
you know, I'm afraid to break them out. I'm gonna
leave it in an hotel room one night. You know.
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I'm a little bit of an airhead that way. You know.
I tend to forget things and leave leave things that's
sitting on hotel rooms, you know, and on the bedstand. Well,
you've got five of them, don't you. I do. I
have five of them. I have one with the Blue
Jays and ninety two, which they just you know, it
was the thirty year anniversary up in Toronto for that one.
So that's the beauty of these things. And that's what
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I told Dave Roberts recently, the manager of the Dodgers.
I said, do you understand what you're what's going on here?
To your to your point, Dan, you understand you know,
do you realize that? And He's going, no, I'm just
trying to win to night. And I said, well, you're
gonna appreciate it later. You know that you've got your
hands around the throat of maybe one of the greatest
seasons of all time, and it's going to mean a
lot to you on down the road. Twenty years from now.
You're gonna be really much more appreciative of what's happening
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right now. And he said, you know, you're right. I
need to learn and stop and stop and smell the roses.
But there's so much anxiety and trying to win today.
Stay in the moment, win tonight and close the deal
and don't blow it. You know that most most players
are filled with that kind of anxiety, certainly managers as well.
You got a pitch that you still, God could wake
wake you up in the middle of the night, like
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there's something that you did and you want that pitch back. Yes,
there's a few of them. King Griffey Junior hit a
couple of upper deck rockets off of the game game
Game five, and I don't sound Game five nineteen ninety five.
That sound like three at night. What's it sound like
when when you give up a home run of that magnitude? Oh,
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it's you know that, That's what wakes me up as
a sound. Jim Tomy hit an upper deck rocket grand
slam off of me in Game six of the playoffs
in the LCS one year at Yankee Stadium, and the
sound was it was scary. I flinched on the mound
it was so loud. It was like a gun shot,
like only Jim Tony could hit them, and the old
Yankee Stadium and the threw upper deck shots that were
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majestic halfway up. So yeah, that's the sound I remember
off of Jim Tomy's bat I got. Maddox told me
it sound like a car crash. Whenever he and he
always wanted to give up a home run that went really,
really far, he said, I hated if it just squeaked
over the wall. If you hit it three sixteen, that
made me mad. If you hit a bomb, okay, give
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me the ball, let me go, let me get it.
Not that Maddox gave up you know that many homeworks.
Is he the best pitcher of all time? It feels
like Maddox is underrated. It feels like Maddox is underrated. Dude,
Absolutely the best combination of movement and control that I've
ever seen, the best craftsman of all time. You know
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a guy who was what a you weig one hundred
and sixty five pounds. You know he's up there on
the mount, never missed a start, never even had it,
probably a sore arm. It took the ball over seven
hundred games started in the Big leagues the bitter as
long as he pitched, just flipping little sinkers on the
black out there and just change up slower than slow
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and just messing with hitters and laughing and smirking on
the mount. You bet you he was the best craftsman
of all time. Okay, I'm gonna you're the manager Game seven.
Any pitcher you want, you can't pick you. And you
were eight and three I think in your career in
the post scene, So who are you sending out there
in the last fifty years? Who's pitching Game seven for you?
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Randy Johnson? Because I think he just neutralizes left handed
batters so much. Left handed batters remember John Kruc turning
around hitting right handed against him in the All Star Game.
Paul O'Neil for the Yankees wanted no part of Randy Johnson.
So I think just that in and of itself, that
if you're a left handed batter in any lineup, and
most great lineups have pretty good left handed batters generally speaking,
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Randy Johnson just owns those guys, So you can take
that part out of the equation. He threw one hundred
miles an hour plus with a slider that was a
Haser blade buzz stall sladder. I'm taking Randy Johnson great
to mention. He six eleven on the mound and kind
kind of ugly too. He's kind of scary looking, though.
Did you face him? I never faced him. I mean
I was in the American League, so I never got
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the bat against him. I certainly faced him and watched
him mow through our lineups, you know, and that Old
Kingdom too. The lighting was a good kind of fuzzy
in the Kingdom. That was the first time, you know,
here there's a term called fuzz. You're throwing fuzz. Randy
Johnson threw fuzz. The Paul looked like they had fuzz
coming off. It was blurry because he threw so hard.
I love that, Randy Johnson. Yeah, throwing fuzz. That means
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you're throwing pretty hard. Yes, blurry, But I don't did
you throw fuzz? Not? Not like Randy Johnson. No. I
was born. I was known for spin, you know, spinning it,
dropping down, changing arm angles. I tried to be like
Louie Tan you know. I was twelve years old in
nineteen seventy five in the World Series, and I fell
in love with Louie Tan pitching for the Red Sox
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and en Way Park, and I was out in the
backyard after that after every game, playing whiffleball, trying to
be Louis Tiant. So that was my guy. How I
tried to be like Louie. Good to talk to you again, David.
Thanks for joining us, and enjoy the ride there this season.
My players are Dan always good to be on with you.
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Ryan is here ESPN Sunday NFL Countdown analysts, former NFL coach,
and he's going to take part in The Amazing Race.
The thirty fourth season of The Amazing Race tonight at
ten Eastern and Pacific on CBS. Also available to stream
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live and on demand Paramount Plus. We'll get to that
topic coming up here in a moment. When did you
make the decision not to coach anymore? Dan? That decision
was made for me, I think, and you get. I'll
tell you what. The Bills made a horrible decision. Obviously
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clearly the best team in the NFL. But it is funny,
so life right now. You know, shoot, I haven't lost
a game in five years, so yeah, I'm doing good.
But this is, you know, a golf I live right
on a golf course at golf almost every day. I
have a house boat, so I go to the lake
quite a bit. So I mean it's rough, man, There's
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no question any concerns about the Bills. I got no concerns, Dan.
I think I look at this team is like, who
the heck's gonna beat them? That this might be one
of those I mean they could challenge the Dolphins and
all that type of stuff, you know. And obviously I
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think the Bears are the best team ever that year
and eighty five and they had that one stumble against Miami.
This is this team has that kind of look to it.
And the reason I say that is they have so
much depth. Like that's the thing. They have depth a
the d line spot. Bill Walsh used to tell me,
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he goes, you gotta win games in the fourth quarter.
You have to be able to rush the passer. And
remember back in those days, he coach Walsh was way
ahead of everybody else. He kept like mine or ten
active defensive alignment just to do that. He thought he'd
be ahead. So he had to rush the pastor and
that's exactly what he did. So my dog for bark
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and over here. But uh, but I see that team
doing that. They had to Von Miller. They who's who
could still play? And then offensively, I mean, hell, this
team never punch. They don't punch looks, So it's uh.
I think actually the craziest thing is I think their
biggest test will be at Miami. And the reason I
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say that, you've got to play Miami in September at
that stadium. I think it's the biggest home field advantage
in the National Football League. I've been on that sideline.
I've been up by two touchdowns in the fourth quarter,
and I've seen our team wilt under that sun, and
I think that's it. It's not just the team. They
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gotta hell of a football team. They're well coached, obviously,
but and the fans are good, but it's that heat,
and I just think it's I think it's a huge advantage.
So we're going to find out. I also was curious
that the Browns losing to the Jets and then they
have to turn around and play the Steelers tomorrow night.
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If you were coaching the Browns, you were Kevin Stefanski,
you acknowledge what happened against the Jets to clear the
slate and say let's just turn our attention to Pittsburgh. Well,
I think you gotta address it because you can't let
something like that happen again. And it was I mean
that Jets had a point one percent chance of winning
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that game. Like, look at all the factors that went
into it that you lost that game. And everybody's on, hey,
they should have told Nick Chubb or whatever at that time.
You're you know, look, you can say it, but if
you score a touchdown, here's the thing in a coach's mind,
you're thinking allout seven it's not six points, it's seven points,
you're up two touchdowns whatever, And I get it, the
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clock is but they had they had to blow a coverage,
clearly blew a coverage and just give them a freebee.
They had to the Jets had to recovery outside kick
and they go down to score again, like so many
factors that went in all within two minutes. So I
don't blame Chubb or whatever, but this is something, Yeah,
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you have to address it. You've got to talk about
finishing games, You've got to talk about those things. But yes,
you're right. The best thing that happened to the Browns
is that they do. They talk about it, and then
they go immediately into playing against Pittsburgh and so I
think it's kind of an advantage to them to play
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so early. I really do. I'm talking to Rex Ryan
ESPN Sunday NFL Countdown analyst and part of the thirty
fourth season of The Amazing Race, which we'll get to
in a moment. Can you be out coached or outplayed
like one or the other? Well, you can get both,
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because I've been both. You've been out of coach. How
are you out coached? You're out coached when at big
moments that that team is more prepared than your team
is and making mistakes. We saw it. We saw Baltimore
get out coach, which is rare. You got John Harbaugh
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coach football team and Dan. The amazing thing is in
that game, I thought Greg Roman had all the pressure
in the world on him and he came up with
a phenomenal game plan and it started with protecting its
quarterback and so he I mean a plus plus plus
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and then on the other side, it's like you're the
Baltimore Ravens. Don't ever forget that when you got somebody
up by you're up twenty one points, I'm sorry, game
set match. If you're up seven points. The mentality always
was game set match. And here you're up twenty one.
You allowed Tyreek Hill to go blow and buy you
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whether blown coverage or you know, whatever it was. Well,
that's shot you as a coach. So that's getting out coached,
that's getting out coach. You you handed you gifted the
Miami Dolphins of victory right there. But did you ever
out coach Belichick? What's that? Did you ever out coach Belichick?
We damn sure. I'll played a couple of times. I
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don't think coaching. I think maybe one time, maybe one time,
and I coached against some uh, you know, more than
any other coach in the history of this game. And
I'm sure he out coached me and every other one.
But I think I might have got any once, maybe once.
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But what was that postgame handshake like when you felt
like you out coached him? Or were there all the
handshakes the same with chick? Nah, they were a little different.
And you know it's funny. I mean, I say I'll
coach I mean I don't. I don't know about that.
I mean, I'm not going to just go on record
as saying I'll coach him. But I think you just did.
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I think you just did, right, Yeah, maybe I did.
And that'll be it Dan, I saying I'm like, yeah, coach,
you know twenty of the twenty one times we played.
But I think I got him once. But I knew,
damn well my team was prepared against his ass every
single time. And if I had Tom Brady, I might
out coach him a few more times, but generally it
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was one of those deals where you know, I had
a ton of respect for Belichick and and always have,
always will. He was clearly the best best football coach
I have, Uh, you know, had the opportunity to coach against.
So it wasn't even close. If you had Brady, would
you still be coaching Probably yeah, nah. And you know
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what's funny, And obviously, look, I would have never done
as good a job as Belichick did with Tom Brady,
but I think he's proved that he can go other
places and still be Tom Brady. So you know, I mean,
you have a once in a lifetime player like that,
the best that our game has ever seen, I would hope.
So you know, I knew one thing I wasn't going
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to get out coached defensively that against anybody that ever coached.
I knew I could coach on my team on defense
could be there with anybody that's ever done it, and
whether it was a gift that has been passed down
or I inherited or whatever it was. I knew I
could coach defense, now the other part of the game.
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All that you know, I probably wasn't as good as Belichick,
obviously nobody has, but I know I could coach him.
And and it came to me one time somebody said, well,
if you look at my years as a defensive coordinator
with Baltimore and might six years as a head coach
of the Jets, all right, in all of those seasons,
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so I guess that's ten years. The defense that I
coached out ranked Bill Belichick's defense in total defense nine
out of those ten years. So I'll just go ahead
and rest in our Would you rather draw up a
defense for Mahomes or johsh Allen? Tah, That's why I'm
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in this chair right here, Dan. I mean, I don't
have to call it the defense against those guys, but
if you did, yeah, I think I really think probably
Patrick Mahomes and which is like a ridiculous statement because
he's amazing, but Josh Allen. To me, I see the
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difference in the red zone and where Josh Allen almost
appears to be unstoppable in the red zone. And why
because he can he can run through it like a
half back in the power of fullback. He's got a
bazooka for an arm. Both these kids do, you know?
But Ken's City's always about to shovel pass and all
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that type of stuff. You don't see Mahomes with that
threat of running and running through linebackers that you do
with Josh Allen, and I think that kind of separates
them in the red zone in particular. But either one,
it's a I mean, that's a that's a horrible like
like literally you would sit back and go, man, do
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I have the flu? Do I have the flu? Somebody
else to coach this defense this week? You know, if
I had Mike ten to be like, all right, you
got this kid, explain to me how you got involved
in the Amazing Race. You know, it's just one of
those things. It was. I had gotten a call from
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somebody at CBS and they're like, would would you and
your brother do it? I'm like, yeah, that sounds great.
I love the show. Amazing Race a great show. But
I'm like, my brother, here's the problem. My brother's still coaches,
so there's no chance I'm doing it and either way,
I'm playing golf one day and I said, yeah, it
was funny. I gotta call you know, CBS. They see it,
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you know, they just wanting to see if I was interested.
And so one of my buddies like, look, that's that's
you know, my mom and my mother in law both them.
That's their favorite show. I'm like, yeah, it's awesome, and
he goes, man, I would love to do it. And
so I'm like, well, let me call back. And here's
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the thing, Dan, It wasn't like they said, okay, you're
definitely we had to do We had to go through everything.
And believe me, there's a lot of stuff you go
through psychologic school, evaluation, several of them. Um, there's a
Wonderlick test that you take, you get all the physicals.
Once you get down, you got to take all these
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shots because you never know where you're going. You gotta
take It's it's a huge process. Videos you're doing all
kinds of stuff. And and so they never treated us
any different, you know, I mean, it was it was
a long process. But when they chose us, it's like,
all let's go, man. And here's the problem. When when
we were going through the process. I was weighing like
close to three hundred and I'm like, well, let me
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just go out and run. You know, I'm gonna go
out and run, and you assume, like you know, hey,
I'm a kid. I used to run six miles a day,
Like all right, I start going. I'm like, man, man,
it's rough. I finally make it a mile. I'm like,
that's it. There's a big hill. I'm like, I'm I'm done.
And but after three weeks, I started running three and
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a half miles a day. So I got my weight down.
I lost fifty pounds and this is like in about
a month or a month and a half. So I
go down fifty pounds, I start running three and a
half miles a day. So I was like, because I
don't want to let my buddy down. And my buddy's
a pro officer here in the Nashville area. He's a
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former powerlifting champion and he runs in marathons. So we
are very similar that way. Ourlifter marathon runner very similar
that way. But uh, but it was I'm like, let's
go for it. So we did, and you know, it's
a hell of a show and it's great and it's funny.
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I would watch like other seasons, you know, trying to
get ready, and I'm like, oh, hell, I can't do that.
Oh I can't do that. I can't do that. I
can't do this, Like I won't exactly. I think when
you're when you're old, slow, weak, and dyslexic. On top
of that, probably not the best teammate, you know, But
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either way, I mean it's it's a blast. And when
you got there finally started doing things, it was great.
Good for you. Good. Could you beat Belichick if it
was you against him in an amazing race, if it
was a fight, maybe, you know. I mean, if if
we had to, you know, a fist fight, I could
probably beat him. But I'm not beating him in anything else.
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He's that dude, that guy sharp as attack. There's no way.
Great to talk to you, have fun. We look forward
to watching you. Thank you, Rex, my pleasure. Dan. Take care,
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coming up as well. This is how it sounded last night.
Here's Michael Kay with the call. Filder's on the left
side for judge, and here's the three one Joe picked
up field. There it goes number sixty. Slide over, Babe,
you've got some company, Aaron James, Judge, past time, George Herman,
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Babe Ruth with sixty home runs. Well, it's been a
season to remember the Yankees outfielder in hot pursuit of
Roger Marris and also the Triple Crown. People don't realize
best average, best homers and best RBIs right now it's
Aaron Judge, the four time All Star is going to
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be a free agent in the off season. Judge has
had a historical season, but that doesn't mean that you
should give him a ten year deal, which is probably
what he's going on one. He's going to be thirty
one at the start of next season. There have been
injuries injury concerned throughout his seven year career. That's not
a great combination for somebody looking for probably a ten
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year contract. Every player ages differently, so it's hard to
predict how much longer Judge will be in his prime.
And I always thought, you know, the bigger the guy,
the more holes in his swing. But Judge with the
batting average, great eye at the plate, certainly this year
and he's been healthy the entire season. He's probably on
the verge of a record breaking contract. But I would
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think this is a little riskier than people would probably
like to think. I'm looking at some of these contracts
that didn't work out. Jason Hayward signed an eight year
deal with the Cubs that didn't work out. Robinson Cano,
don't you know, signed with the Mariners ten year deal.
Tigers resigned Miguel Caprera eight years, two hundred and forty
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million dollars. Baltimore resigned Chris Davis seven years, one hundred
and sixty one million, Josh Hamilton the Angels five years,
Eric Hosmer Padres eight years. Yankees signed Jacobe Elsberry seven years,
one fifty three. Carl Crawford in the Red Sox seven years,
one forty two. I would not want to give Aaron
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Judge a ten year deal. Now here's what has not
been brought up very often, and it should be because
Aaron Judge is from the West Coast. I don't know,
if you know when the Yankees had their offer that
was just over two hundred million dollars Aaron Judge's side,
I don't believe countered. There wasn't one of those no,
we want this, they want to wait. Does Aaron Judge
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want to stay a Yankee? I'm curious about that, because
if you do, then maybe you would have countered or said, hey,
I'll do it. I want this, But he didn't. I
think it was the Yankees offer just over two hundred
million dollars and he said, no, that's it. And now
he bet on himself he could be the MVP triple Crown,
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and he could surpass Roger Marris single season home run record,
all in the same year. And I was curious where
he stood with Barry Bonds and Mark McGuire so at
the same point of the season, through the team's first
one hundred forty seven games, Judges played in one hundred
forty three, McGuire played in one hundred thirty nine, and
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Bonds played in one thirty eight. At this juncture, through
one hundred forty seven games, Bonds had sixty four home
runs in two thousand and one, McGuire had sixty two
in nineteen ninety eight, Judge with sixty. Right now, as
far as strikeouts, if that matters, Bonds had struck out
eighty nine times, McGuire one thirty nine, and Judge one
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fifty nine. Intentional walks Bonds had twenty nine, McGuire twenty eight,
Judge seven. Team total walks. Bonds had one hundred and
fifty three walks, McGuire one fifty one, and Aaron Judge
at ninety three. I'm surprised they pitched to it. I'm
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also even more surprised that they don't pitch well to him.
You know, you know he's coming to the plate and now, look,
if you want to challenge him, great. I love competition,
but I also want to be smart when I compete.
I want to be smart when I pitch, and it
just doesn't seem like that. There are pitches that are
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thrown that are right over the middle of the play.
It's not like he's hitting a bad ball home run.
Manny Ramirez would do that all the time. Vlad Guerrero
great bad ball hitter. But Judge, it's just like here
you go, let me see if you can hit it.
And yeah, yeah, but he hit it. Yeah, Setan. You knows,
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sometimes you try so hard not to do something that
that you end up doing it. Yeah. I wonder if
that's what is getting in pitchers heads, because some of
those balls, it's like, yeah, like this hanging curveball that's
just right there, you know, it smashes the crap at
explain it to me. But you're talking about that you
try so hard but to not throw a pitch over
the plate. Yeah, like I think maybe some of the pitchers.
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You know, if you're on the mounds last night, you know,
all right, well this could be sixty as soon as
Aaron Judge steps up to the plate, whether you're really
conscious of it or not, you know that there's like
a home run record on the line, and so you're
trying not to give up an easy pitch or a
home run ball, you know what I mean? Yes, boy,
So it's a bob of the ninth. The Yankees are
down eight to four to Pittsburgh. Will Crowe as a pitcher,
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he comes in, he pitches to Aaron Judge. Now, I'm
not a baseball X Broun. Situational baseball and when you
should put someone on first base, but Aaron Judge, you're
up four runs, wouldn't you park him at first? And
then deal with Rizzo who's not playing well and also
coming off to DL. It just said you start with
the home run and then the Yankees just went crazy
hit walk. Well, you know you don't want to put
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him on. That's what the pitcher said. He said that
Judge did what he was supposed to do. Three one count.
I'm not going to put him on. I felt like
I just wanted to go after him. Started away, came
back in. He put a good swing on a bad pitch. Yeah,
that's the key. That that part of the sentence is
the key. It was a bad pitch and he took
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advantage of it. I love when I see pitchers who
are willing to pitch against somebody, because a lot of times,
you know, in this era, it's about I'm going to
throw it and then you swing. That's it. There's really
no gamesmanship. And you know baseball is, you know, part
of the history of it, the lore of it is
the gamesmanship of how to pitch somebody, how to pitch
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around somebody. But with baseball now it's I'm going to
throw it and let me see if you can hit it.
All right, you hit it, you're a better man than me,
and it's a solo home run. But then Gie and
Carlos Gian Carlos Staton hit a Grand Slam and they
beat the Pirates. Yeah, the Pirates three gave it up
to Judge. His name is will Crow. His great great
uncle was named Red Ruffing he played. He played on
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the same team as pay Bruth in the Yankees in
nineteen early nineteen thirties. He went out and visited the
Monument Park there as well Will Crow did prior to
the game. I guess soaking up some of that Yankee history.
But uh, you know, gave up the home run and
it was not a good pitch. I mean, great pitch
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for judge, but if you're trying to stay away from
the most dangerous home run hitter, you didn't do a
very good job. Not good, as Brady Hope might say,
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Dan dot com, all right, what's pull question today? There
O'Connor more impressive Dan hitting seventy three home runs in
a season, hitting sixty plus home runs three times over
four seasons. This is a very designed poll question by
a Chicago sports fan. Take away any biases you can
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and you cannoct in jack steroids into this topic because
both guys are accused people. But Barry Bonds hit over
fifty home runs once in his career. He hit seventy three.
Now they took the bat out of his hands a
lot with walks. Would you rather hit seventy three in
one season or sixty plus three out of four seasons,
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which by Sammy soci Yes, Uh, I guess if I'm
gonna do it, I want to be the best to
do it, So I would take the seventy three. I'd
I'd be a one now if I'm also factoring in
everything else that Bonds did in his career. It's not
like he just had one moment one year. He had
an entire career. So so that's impressive. But no one
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ever brings up Sosa for the whole of Fame. He
never never he broke Roger Marris's record three times. Yeah,
but but he's when it comes up for the Hall
of Fame, it's Bonds and Clemens. It's never Sammy Sosa ever. Yes,
but don't you want to show the consistency of how
well you take steroids? By getting sixty plus a three years,
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It's like, Wow, he can really kept the cycle cycle
of today all right, respect, I'm gonna give you a
blue bloop on that one. It's it's like Land's Armstrong.
I know if you did it once and you dominated, Okay,
I'm gonna cheat so well, I'm gonna do it seven times. Yes,
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to be fair to Bury Bonds. The reason he didn't
hit he hit seventy three in two thousand and one.
The next three seasons he hit forty six homers, forty five,
forty five. The reason is because they took the bat
out of his hands. The year after he hit seventy three,
they walked him one hundred and ninety eight times, not intentionally,
but um it's the most, and then one hundred and
forty eight times in two thousand and four at each
thirty nine, Bonds was walked two hundred and thirty two times,
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by far the most in MLB histories, and still hit
forty five home runs. They took away one third of
his at bats. Yeah, well, I do believe if you
pitched to him in two thousand and one when he
hit seventy three, he would have hit one hundred home runs.
He would have he would have hit one hundred home runs.
I truly believe that. Yeah, Paul, you asked Smalts about it,
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and you were asking John Smalt, who was at his prime,
what it was like the face Bonds. He goes, he
was the only guy where there's nowhere to put it. Yeah,
like there's no like down low, in high you know,
all speed, there was no pitch that worked. So the
only pitch that worked was putting on first base. And
Bonds had such a great eye at the plate, So
let's take away the steroids. His ability to see a
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strike or let one go. He had a breadbox and
he waited for you to serve it, and if you
put it in there, he was going to hit it out.
That's it. He wouldn't mess with the other stuff. It's like,
here's the window. If you put it here, I'm going
to take this piece of cheese and I'm taking it deep.
And you know, he wasn't a great batting average guy.
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A couple of years back with the Pirates, he was,
but you know a lot of times those guys will
hit you know, two seventy and hit forty home runs.
But he did have a great eye. Yes, Ken Griffy
Junior nineteen ninety eight hit fifty six home runs. That's
a tremendous accomplishment. That's a hell of a lot of
home runs. The only problem is Sammy Sisa hit sixty
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six and McGuire hit seventy. You don't even realize that
that Ken Griffy Junior had that many home runs that
year because it's just so overshadowed. Yeah, that's a lot, though, Yeah,
it is, at least it used to be. He used
to be. Yeah, but fifty six. Okay, But if we
have today's baseball mentality, you go out there and you
throw really hard, and then I swing really hard. Why
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is it the judge has sixty home runs and the
next closest is twenty home runs less, Kyle Schwarberg, Why
aren't a bunch of guys hitting fifty if everybody goes
up there trying to hit a home run? Seaton answer me, Yes,
he may have a certain advantage of a short porch,
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but I don't know. Yeah, but right field at Yankee State,
and that's why you always have great home run hitters
that they're they're left handed hitters. Yeah, I don't know
how many of his went over right field fence, but
maybe I don't know. Judge hits them to left in
no you know, some of these guys have the ability
to go the other way. Opposite way. Yes, point, here's
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my my favorite steroid era stat nine nine nine. Sami
so hit three hundred. He hit sixty three home runs
and one hundred and fifty RBIs. He finished ninth in
the MVP voting. You you know what, that's not that great,
but sixty three. I'm trying to think what people thought
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of Sosa back then. I know the team wasn't that good.
They were competitive a couple of times. They started getting good.
Actually when his homers went down. You know, in two
thousand and two, three and four, he was at the
tail end. He was still hitting homers, but not He's
hitting more like forty five homers. And then they started
playing well with Wooden prior. But he never tested positive.
You know, for all these people to talk about Bonds,
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you know or Clemens, hey, you know, they didn't test POSI. Okay,
I don't think Sammy did. He had a quarked bat,
but he didn't test positive. I'm just trying to understand
the logic there, not that Sosa should be in the
Hall of Fame. Do I think he cheated, Yes, I do,
But it doesn't feel like you're treating him the same
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way you do. McGuire and Sosa and Sammy did it
on a more consistent basis then McGuire and Bonds did.
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He's David Kone, former Yankee chant, now a Yankee announcer
on the S Network. As Aaron Judge has hit his
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sixtieth home run and David kne back on the program,
good to see you. David. If you were pitching last
night in the ninth inning when Aaron Judge came to
the plate, would you have gone at him or avoided
in that situation, I would have gone at him. I thought,
Will Crowe did the right thing. You had a four
run lead, you know Aaron Judge at that point it
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was a three to one count. Yeah, yeah, I would
have challenged him. You know, I pitched in Cal Ripken's
last game at Camden Yards and I threw him nothing
but fastballs the whole night. I tried to challenge him.
It was kind of the honor system. I knew it
was his fair. You know, I respected him so much,
so I've actually been in that situation before, and I
did exactly what will Crow did last night. I admired that.
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You know that you felt like, hey, this is the
last time we're gonna see Cal, and if he hits,
if he takes me deep, you were fine with that.
I was fine with it. It was a meaningless game
and it was his last game, and that had such
enormous respect for how he went about it. And I
think that's part of the reason why you see opposing
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pictures or respect Aaron Judge so much, because the way
he acts, the way he carries himself. He hit the
sixtieth home run, set his bat down, quietly, ran around
the bases as if it was like any other home run,
and I think that really resonates with opposing pictures. And
I've heard that around the league about how much respect
that Aaron Judge garners because it's just the way he
carries himself, similar to the way Cal Ripken carried himself.
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How would you pitch to Aaron Judge? He has really
changed Dan this year. I mean, he's really made great
improvements on not chasing as many breaking balls. You know,
used to try to get him to chase sliders off
the plate, right and left, one after another, eventually you
get him to chase. He's not doing that anymore. When
guys stopped chasing fastballs and slow stuff away, then they're
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usually susceptible with fastballs up and end. He's hitting those
pitches as well this year, so there's really no one
place to go and get him out this year. I
think that's why he's on the verge of a triple
crown in the American League this year. Yeah, and I
think that's important. You know, his batting eye and he's
thirty years of age, so that to me is what's interesting.
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That he is making himself better, learning to be a
better player at age thirty. That doesn't normally happen at
that age. No, he doesn't. You know, he's got a
set up he's got sort of his own program, his
own hitting style, his own swing that he owns. But
he also has these high speed pitching machines that Yankee
Stadium and the bows of the stadium. If you walk
through the bows of Yankee Stadium, you'll see a pitching
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sort of a batting cage setup for Aaron Judge. And
it's a high speed pitching machine that throws one hundred
mile an hour sliders. It it can make it break
at that high velocity, and he'll he'll go up there
in between innings and he'll just track really fast sliders,
high spin sliders, and he's trained his eye to sort
of see that so that when he's in the game
and he sees a ninety mile an hour slider, it's
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like taking the donut off the bat. You know, it's like,
oh yeah, I track it, I see it. Now. Who
do you consider the single season home run chip? Wow?
You know there's an asterisk. It's still Barry Bonds, but
you have to put an asterisk around the steroid era.
You know, I'm not saying we don't acknowledge them. I'm
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not trying to be judgmental and the wholier than thou
with my attitude, but I do think we need to
acknowledge the elephant in the room that you know, these
guys probably were enhanced. They probably did use performance enhancing drugs.
Even though you know, we don't have definitive proof, we
certainly know pretty well. You know the Verry Bonds did
and Mark McGuire did, So you have to put an
asterisk around that era. So who is the real one?
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That's a great debate. That's what makes this so interesting
that pianists, a lot of people think it's right now.
What Aaron Judge is doing is the real home run chase.
And Aaron Judge himself, who grew up in the San
Francisco area, still credits Barry Bonds. He said, I was
a kid watching Barry Bonds flip him into the into
the Bay at San Francisco, So you know, he considers
Barry Bonds the real home run champs. So yeah, that's
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that's what bigs. Baseball is so great. We can debate
these generational type things more than any other sport. Yeah,
but I didn't have to be on the mound facing
these guys, you did. What's that like knowing that that
guy in my mind is using performance annuancing drugs and
you have to pitch to him. It was the lines
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were blurred back then in the nineties. I mean with
the benefit of hindsight, now I can look back and say, hey,
wait a minute, you know I want my pitching numbers adjusted.
I pitched a different era here. Wait by EIRA was
better than it really really was. Well that's why I
look at what Pedro Martinez did, Coney, I mean Pedro was.
I mean, that's in the American League, in the steroid era,
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in the heart of it, and Pedro is dealing. That's
exactly right. That's you know, that's this sort of you know, baseball,
we have these advanced metrics that have these adjusted stats
OPS plus e RA A plus that factors in the
environment that you played in the league averages. Well, you're right,
Pedro Martinez could be the greatest pitcher ever because of
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what he had to deal with in that era. And
Aaron Judge could be having the greatest season ever because
he's played in an integrated era. He's playing in an
era that the you know, we do test for steroids.
He's playing in an era where offense is down across
the board. He's got twenty more home runs than the
next guy. He's completely lapped the field. But that's what
I don't David, is in today's analytics, everybody's trying to
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hit home runs. You're throwing as hard as you can,
and I'm swinging as hard as I can. Why are
home runs down? Why? I think partly is the baseball.
Major League Baseball has talked about changing the baseball. They're
certainly you know, Major League Baseball owns Rale, who makes
the baseballs. They they're on record as saying they're trying
to make the baseball more uniform. The theory among pitchers
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in the major leagues is that there's two different baseballs.
There's one that flies and there's one that dies. This year,
they're using the one that dies more, is what they say.
So in Major League Baseball is on record this isn't
this isn't me breaking any new news. That they're trying
to make the baseball travel less. Why get more action
into the game. I think they I think they're trying
to have a uniform baseball that gets away from exactly
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what you're saying, where it's just a home run game.
We want more contact, we want more action. That's why
the rules are changing next year with the pitch clock, YadA, YadA, YadA.
That that's that's the theory behind a lot of these changes.
I wonder if pitchers pitched to Bonds when he hits
seventy three, if he would have hit a hundred home
runs that year. Dude, it's a valid question, Dan, really is,
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because you look at how many times Yeah, I think,
what two hundred times he was walked that year or one? Yeah, yeah,
one eighty and a lot of those were intentional, A
lot were unintentional. Fuck Showalter walked up with the bases
bloated in one game. I mean, you know, when they
go four, we'll suck up that run and you go
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take first base. That's how ridiculous it became with Bonds.
Oh my god, did you face Bonds in that error?
I faced him when he was in Pittsburgh when I
was on in the National League. So and then we
in nineteen ninety two, we were both were free agents
and he went to San Francisco. I went to Kansas City.
So that was kind of the last time I saw him.
Was was his Pittsburgh days the first six years of
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his career. I wonder about you mentioned Judge growing up
in the Bay Area. He turned down the deal with
the Yankees, but didn't even counter that offer I think
by the Yankees. How much concern do you think there
is with the Yankees that maybe Aaron Judge does want
to play some place else, Maybe he does want to
play in San Francisco. We just don't know. I mean,
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Aaron Judge is played this so close to the vest,
you know, Dad, we were in Boston recently and somebody
asked him about Boston and he said, oh, what great fans.
You know, Boston was a great place to play. I
mean it's like he has the script and he's playing
the poker and nobody can read him. He has no tells.
We don't know what he really thinks. We don't know
how important his home is to him, where he grew up.
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We don't even know if the Giants are going to
be in play, even though we think they might be,
if they're going to spend that kind of money. So yeah,
I mean, he's got one shot at this. Aaron Judge
is thirty years old. He's got one shot at being
a free agent and actually finding out what other offers
will be. And I think he's so close. That's what
he wants to get to. He wants to find out
is there another owner out there? Is there a couple
of owners out there that are going to really push
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the system. And that's the only true way you can
find out what your mark of value is. But I
wonder about that. Pooh Hooles was thirty one when the
Cardinals let him go. They got a Hall of Fame
career from Pooholes and it was the right decision. Judge
is going to be thirty one starting this next season.
Would you sign him to a ten year deal? Well, yeah,
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you know that he is. Here's where the rubber beats
the road. The reason there are ten year deals out
there is because the owners themselves want to spread out
those costs because of the luxury tax. They could theoretically
pay Aaron Judge what he's worth. What is the top
of the payroll right now, Max Scherzer makes in the
mid forties. Okay, give Aaron Judge a six year deal
then for fifty million a year, rather than try to
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do the ten year deal for thirty five or forty
million a year. It's the owners who want to spread
out those costs and avoid the luxury tax, So you know,
it's hard to blame the players for that. It's hard
to say, well, we can't give them ten years because
it'll be thirty eight. Well you don't have to. You
can pay him top dollar ago, way above and beyond
for five years and pay him more than anybody else
in the history of the game, because he's doing something
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else than nobody else in the history of the game's
doing this year. So he certainly proved his worth. We're
talking to David Khne. He is announcer for the Yankees
on the S Network and of course a former Great
Pitcher World Series champ. Why didn't the Yankees bunt on
Kurt Schilling in Game six? You know, four comes. I
heard you say that before. It's it is so good
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that you say that, and it's it brought back the
memories to me. I'm watching that series and thinking the
same exact damn thing. You know. It's like you had
to test him, didn't you. I mean, certainly it shows you, Dan,
that people don't know how to bunt anymore. It's a
lost start. Probably the best of the last best great
bunner I saw was Brett Butler, the great leadoff hitter
for the Dodgers and the Braves. At one point he
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could do it with the best of them. Wait till
the last minute, Diskuys that laid down a bunt. Guys
just don't know how to bunt anymore for the last
twenty years. Really, Oh my god, you faced Gwynn a
few times, right, yes, many times? What's that? I remember
talking to Maddox He said, you know, I got to
the point where I didn't know how to what to
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throw to him because it felt like he knew whatever
I was throwing, I was gonna be around the plate,
he was going to do something with it. Like they
don't have batting eyes like that, and you don't get
paid to hit for you know, three sixty three seventy.
I mean, do you think we're ever getting back to
that where you know, you got bogs and you know,
crew in each Yurow and these guys Brett that it
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meant something to bat that high because the analytics that
you know, they're not going to favor you when it
comes to making money. You know, I think it's you're
dead on once again. You know. The ironic part is
theo Epstein, who is one of the most progressive thinkers
in the last twenty years is now out of baseball
and on the management side trying to sort of disassemble
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everything he created and create new rules to kind of
get more action in the game. Exactly to the heart
of the matter of what you're talking about. We need
more contact, we need more action, We need more base running,
we need more doubles and triples. We need something that
happens sooner in baseball games. There's four minutes between a
ball putting a play now compared to two minutes a
thirty years ago. So you know, that's really what's going
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on in Major League Baseball now. Trying to address exactly
what you're talking about Tony Gwen was unreal. You know,
the joke among pitchers was, you know what you have
to do to him, Just throw it down the middle,
because he doesn't know what to do with a pitch
down the middle. You know what, any hits a line
drive to right, you throw it away. It's a line
drive to left. So just throw it down the middle
of the first pitch and see see if he confuses himself.
Are the Dodgers an old time great team this season?
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They have a chance to be. They have a chance
to be the greatest team in Dodgers history. And then
also to get into the argument of all time greatest teams.
We don't know how many games are gonna end up
winning if they get to the one ten to one
twenty area, maybe one hundred. We had one hundred and
fourteen in nineteen ninety eight and we closed the deal
and won the World Series. A couple of years later,
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the Seattle Mariners won one hundred and sixteen games in
the regular season each e rose first year, but they
didn't close the deal, and nobody talks about that. So yes,
if they close the deal, they have their signature moment.
They're kind of in the middle of a little dynasty
right now, the Dodgers, and this could be their nineteen
ninety eight Yankees year, the one that really is their
signature point in time, the great one of the greatest
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teams in franchise history. I think the Dodgers could easily
do that. They're having a signature year, not only in
the history of baseball for that organization, it's the Dodgers
going back to Brooklyn. This could be the greatest Dodgers
team of all time if they can close it out.
Where are your World Series rings? I have been storage. Actually,
you know, I'm afraid to break them out. I'm gonna
leave it in an hotel room one night. You know.
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I'm a little bit of an airhead that way. You know.
I tend to forget things and leave leave things that's
sitting on hotel rooms, you know, and on the bedstand. Well,
you've got five of them, don't you. I do. I
have five of them. I have one with the Blue
Jays and ninety two, which they just you know, it
was the thirty year anniversary up in Toronto for that one.
So that's the beauty of these things. And that's what
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I told Dave Roberts recently, the manager of the Dodgers.
I said, do you understand what you're what's going on here?
To your to your point, Dan, you understand you know,
do you realize that? And He's going, no, I'm just
trying to win to night. And I said, well, you're
gonna appreciate it later. You know that you've got your
hands around the throat of maybe one of the greatest
seasons of all time, and it's going to mean a
lot to you on down the road. Twenty years from now.
You're gonna be really much more appreciative of what's happening
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right now. And he said, you know, you're right. I
need to learn and stop and stop and smell the roses.
But there's so much anxiety and trying to win today.
Stay in the moment, win tonight and close the deal
and don't blow it. You know that most most players
are filled with that kind of anxiety, certainly managers as well.
You got a pitch that you still, God could wake
wake you up in the middle of the night, like
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there's something that you did and you want that pitch back. Yes,
there's a few of them. King Griffey Junior hit a
couple of upper deck rockets off of the game game
Game five, and I don't sound Game five nineteen ninety five.
That sound like three at night. What's it sound like
when when you give up a home run of that magnitude? Oh,
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it's you know that, That's what wakes me up as
a sound. Jim Tomy hit an upper deck rocket grand
slam off of me in Game six of the playoffs
in the LCS one year at Yankee Stadium, and the
sound was it was scary. I flinched on the mound
it was so loud. It was like a gun shot,
like only Jim Tony could hit them, and the old
Yankee Stadium and the threw upper deck shots that were
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majestic halfway up. So yeah, that's the sound I remember
off of Jim Tomy's bat I got. Maddox told me
it sound like a car crash. Whenever he and he
always wanted to give up a home run that went really,
really far, he said, I hated if it just squeaked
over the wall. If you hit it three sixteen, that
made me mad. If you hit a bomb, okay, give
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me the ball, let me go, let me get it.
Not that Maddox gave up you know that many homeworks.
Is he the best pitcher of all time? It feels
like Maddox is underrated. It feels like Maddox is underrated. Dude,
Absolutely the best combination of movement and control that I've
ever seen, the best craftsman of all time. You know
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a guy who was what a you weig one hundred
and sixty five pounds. You know he's up there on
the mount, never missed a start, never even had it,
probably a sore arm. It took the ball over seven
hundred games started in the Big leagues the bitter as
long as he pitched, just flipping little sinkers on the
black out there and just change up slower than slow
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and just messing with hitters and laughing and smirking on
the mount. You bet you he was the best craftsman
of all time. Okay, I'm gonna you're the manager Game seven.
Any pitcher you want, you can't pick you. And you
were eight and three I think in your career in
the post scene, So who are you sending out there
in the last fifty years? Who's pitching Game seven for you?
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Randy Johnson? Because I think he just neutralizes left handed
batters so much. Left handed batters remember John Kruc turning
around hitting right handed against him in the All Star Game.
Paul O'Neil for the Yankees wanted no part of Randy Johnson.
So I think just that in and of itself, that
if you're a left handed batter in any lineup, and
most great lineups have pretty good left handed batters generally speaking,
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Randy Johnson just owns those guys, So you can take
that part out of the equation. He threw one hundred
miles an hour plus with a slider that was a
Haser blade buzz stall sladder. I'm taking Randy Johnson great
to mention. He six eleven on the mound and kind
kind of ugly too. He's kind of scary looking, though.
Did you face him? I never faced him. I mean
I was in the American League, so I never got
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the bat against him. I certainly faced him and watched
him mow through our lineups, you know, and that Old
Kingdom too. The lighting was a good kind of fuzzy
in the Kingdom. That was the first time, you know,
here there's a term called fuzz. You're throwing fuzz. Randy
Johnson threw fuzz. The Paul looked like they had fuzz
coming off. It was blurry because he threw so hard.
I love that, Randy Johnson. Yeah, throwing fuzz. That means
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you're throwing pretty hard. Yes, blurry, But I don't did
you throw fuzz? Not? Not like Randy Johnson. No. I
was born. I was known for spin, you know, spinning it,
dropping down, changing arm angles. I tried to be like
Louie Tan you know. I was twelve years old in
nineteen seventy five in the World Series, and I fell
in love with Louie Tan pitching for the Red Sox
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and en Way Park, and I was out in the
backyard after that after every game, playing whiffleball, trying to
be Louis Tiant. So that was my guy. How I
tried to be like Louie. Good to talk to you again, David.
Thanks for joining us, and enjoy the ride there this season.
My players are Dan always good to be on with you.
Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be
sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine until
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noon eastern six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio,
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my Carmen. I'm Dan Byer. We have a brand new
fantasy football podcast called I Want Your Flex. Twice a week,
every Tuesday and Friday, we come up with new episodes
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to not only look back at what happened, what you
need to do at that minute, and also look ahead
of what's coming up in the fantasy football world. That's right, Dan.
Every week we're going to scour the waiver wire to
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Ryan is here ESPN Sunday NFL Countdown analysts, former NFL coach,
and he's going to take part in The Amazing Race.
The thirty fourth season of The Amazing Race tonight at
ten Eastern and Pacific on CBS. Also available to stream
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live and on demand Paramount Plus. We'll get to that
topic coming up here in a moment. When did you
make the decision not to coach anymore? Dan? That decision
was made for me, I think, and you get. I'll
tell you what. The Bills made a horrible decision. Obviously
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clearly the best team in the NFL. But it is funny,
so life right now. You know, shoot, I haven't lost
a game in five years, so yeah, I'm doing good.
But this is, you know, a golf I live right
on a golf course at golf almost every day. I
have a house boat, so I go to the lake
quite a bit. So I mean it's rough, man, There's
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no question any concerns about the Bills. I got no concerns, Dan.
I think I look at this team is like, who
the heck's gonna beat them? That this might be one
of those I mean they could challenge the Dolphins and
all that type of stuff, you know. And obviously I
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think the Bears are the best team ever that year
and eighty five and they had that one stumble against Miami.
This is this team has that kind of look to it.
And the reason I say that is they have so
much depth. Like that's the thing. They have depth a
the d line spot. Bill Walsh used to tell me,
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he goes, you gotta win games in the fourth quarter.
You have to be able to rush the passer. And
remember back in those days, he coach Walsh was way
ahead of everybody else. He kept like mine or ten
active defensive alignment just to do that. He thought he'd
be ahead. So he had to rush the pastor and
that's exactly what he did. So my dog for bark
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and over here. But uh, but I see that team
doing that. They had to Von Miller. They who's who
could still play? And then offensively, I mean, hell, this
team never punch. They don't punch looks, So it's uh.
I think actually the craziest thing is I think their
biggest test will be at Miami. And the reason I
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say that, you've got to play Miami in September at
that stadium. I think it's the biggest home field advantage
in the National Football League. I've been on that sideline.
I've been up by two touchdowns in the fourth quarter,
and I've seen our team wilt under that sun, and
I think that's it. It's not just the team. They
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gotta hell of a football team. They're well coached, obviously,
but and the fans are good, but it's that heat,
and I just think it's I think it's a huge advantage.
So we're going to find out. I also was curious
that the Browns losing to the Jets and then they
have to turn around and play the Steelers tomorrow night.
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If you were coaching the Browns, you were Kevin Stefanski,
you acknowledge what happened against the Jets to clear the
slate and say let's just turn our attention to Pittsburgh. Well,
I think you gotta address it because you can't let
something like that happen again. And it was I mean
that Jets had a point one percent chance of winning
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that game. Like, look at all the factors that went
into it that you lost that game. And everybody's on, hey,
they should have told Nick Chubb or whatever at that time.
You're you know, look, you can say it, but if
you score a touchdown, here's the thing in a coach's mind,
you're thinking allout seven it's not six points, it's seven points,
you're up two touchdowns whatever, And I get it, the
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clock is but they had they had to blow a coverage,
clearly blew a coverage and just give them a freebee.
They had to the Jets had to recovery outside kick
and they go down to score again, like so many
factors that went in all within two minutes. So I
don't blame Chubb or whatever, but this is something, Yeah,
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you have to address it. You've got to talk about
finishing games, You've got to talk about those things. But yes,
you're right. The best thing that happened to the Browns
is that they do. They talk about it, and then
they go immediately into playing against Pittsburgh and so I
think it's kind of an advantage to them to play
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so early. I really do. I'm talking to Rex Ryan
ESPN Sunday NFL Countdown analyst and part of the thirty
fourth season of The Amazing Race, which we'll get to
in a moment. Can you be out coached or outplayed
like one or the other? Well, you can get both,
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because I've been both. You've been out of coach. How
are you out coached? You're out coached when at big
moments that that team is more prepared than your team
is and making mistakes. We saw it. We saw Baltimore
get out coach, which is rare. You got John Harbaugh
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coach football team and Dan. The amazing thing is in
that game, I thought Greg Roman had all the pressure
in the world on him and he came up with
a phenomenal game plan and it started with protecting its
quarterback and so he I mean a plus plus plus
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and then on the other side, it's like you're the
Baltimore Ravens. Don't ever forget that when you got somebody
up by you're up twenty one points, I'm sorry, game
set match. If you're up seven points. The mentality always
was game set match. And here you're up twenty one.
You allowed Tyreek Hill to go blow and buy you
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whether blown coverage or you know, whatever it was. Well,
that's shot you as a coach. So that's getting out coached,
that's getting out coach. You you handed you gifted the
Miami Dolphins of victory right there. But did you ever
out coach Belichick? What's that? Did you ever out coach Belichick?
We damn sure. I'll played a couple of times. I
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don't think coaching. I think maybe one time, maybe one time,
and I coached against some uh, you know, more than
any other coach in the history of this game. And
I'm sure he out coached me and every other one.
But I think I might have got any once, maybe once.
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But what was that postgame handshake like when you felt
like you out coached him? Or were there all the
handshakes the same with chick? Nah, they were a little different.
And you know it's funny. I mean, I say I'll
coach I mean I don't. I don't know about that.
I mean, I'm not going to just go on record
as saying I'll coach him. But I think you just did.
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I think you just did, right, Yeah, maybe I did.
And that'll be it Dan, I saying I'm like, yeah, coach,
you know twenty of the twenty one times we played.
But I think I got him once. But I knew,
damn well my team was prepared against his ass every
single time. And if I had Tom Brady, I might
out coach him a few more times, but generally it
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was one of those deals where you know, I had
a ton of respect for Belichick and and always have,
always will. He was clearly the best best football coach
I have, Uh, you know, had the opportunity to coach against.
So it wasn't even close. If you had Brady, would
you still be coaching Probably yeah, nah. And you know
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what's funny, And obviously, look, I would have never done
as good a job as Belichick did with Tom Brady,
but I think he's proved that he can go other
places and still be Tom Brady. So you know, I mean,
you have a once in a lifetime player like that,
the best that our game has ever seen, I would hope.
So you know, I knew one thing I wasn't going
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to get out coached defensively that against anybody that ever coached.
I knew I could coach on my team on defense
could be there with anybody that's ever done it, and
whether it was a gift that has been passed down
or I inherited or whatever it was. I knew I
could coach defense, now the other part of the game.
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All that you know, I probably wasn't as good as Belichick,
obviously nobody has, but I know I could coach him.
And and it came to me one time somebody said, well,
if you look at my years as a defensive coordinator
with Baltimore and might six years as a head coach
of the Jets, all right, in all of those seasons,
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so I guess that's ten years. The defense that I
coached out ranked Bill Belichick's defense in total defense nine
out of those ten years. So I'll just go ahead
and rest in our Would you rather draw up a
defense for Mahomes or johsh Allen? Tah, That's why I'm
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in this chair right here, Dan. I mean, I don't
have to call it the defense against those guys, but
if you did, yeah, I think I really think probably
Patrick Mahomes and which is like a ridiculous statement because
he's amazing, but Josh Allen. To me, I see the
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difference in the red zone and where Josh Allen almost
appears to be unstoppable in the red zone. And why
because he can he can run through it like a
half back in the power of fullback. He's got a
bazooka for an arm. Both these kids do, you know?
But Ken's City's always about to shovel pass and all
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that type of stuff. You don't see Mahomes with that
threat of running and running through linebackers that you do
with Josh Allen, and I think that kind of separates
them in the red zone in particular. But either one,
it's a I mean, that's a that's a horrible like
like literally you would sit back and go, man, do
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I have the flu? Do I have the flu? Somebody
else to coach this defense this week? You know, if
I had Mike ten to be like, all right, you
got this kid, explain to me how you got involved
in the Amazing Race. You know, it's just one of
those things. It was. I had gotten a call from
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somebody at CBS and they're like, would would you and
your brother do it? I'm like, yeah, that sounds great.
I love the show. Amazing Race a great show. But
I'm like, my brother, here's the problem. My brother's still coaches,
so there's no chance I'm doing it and either way,
I'm playing golf one day and I said, yeah, it
was funny. I gotta call you know, CBS. They see it,
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you know, they just wanting to see if I was interested.
And so one of my buddies like, look, that's that's
you know, my mom and my mother in law both them.
That's their favorite show. I'm like, yeah, it's awesome, and
he goes, man, I would love to do it. And
so I'm like, well, let me call back. And here's
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the thing, Dan, It wasn't like they said, okay, you're
definitely we had to do We had to go through everything.
And believe me, there's a lot of stuff you go
through psychologic school, evaluation, several of them. Um, there's a
Wonderlick test that you take, you get all the physicals.
Once you get down, you got to take all these
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shots because you never know where you're going. You gotta
take It's it's a huge process. Videos you're doing all
kinds of stuff. And and so they never treated us
any different, you know, I mean, it was it was
a long process. But when they chose us, it's like,
all let's go, man. And here's the problem. When when
we were going through the process. I was weighing like
close to three hundred and I'm like, well, let me
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just go out and run. You know, I'm gonna go
out and run, and you assume, like you know, hey,
I'm a kid. I used to run six miles a day,
Like all right, I start going. I'm like, man, man,
it's rough. I finally make it a mile. I'm like,
that's it. There's a big hill. I'm like, I'm I'm done.
And but after three weeks, I started running three and
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a half miles a day. So I got my weight down.
I lost fifty pounds and this is like in about
a month or a month and a half. So I
go down fifty pounds, I start running three and a
half miles a day. So I was like, because I
don't want to let my buddy down. And my buddy's
a pro officer here in the Nashville area. He's a
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former powerlifting champion and he runs in marathons. So we
are very similar that way. Ourlifter marathon runner very similar
that way. But uh, but it was I'm like, let's
go for it. So we did, and you know, it's
a hell of a show and it's great and it's funny.
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I would watch like other seasons, you know, trying to
get ready, and I'm like, oh, hell, I can't do that.
Oh I can't do that. I can't do that. I
can't do this, Like I won't exactly. I think when
you're when you're old, slow, weak, and dyslexic. On top
of that, probably not the best teammate, you know, But
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either way, I mean it's it's a blast. And when
you got there finally started doing things, it was great.
Good for you. Good. Could you beat Belichick if it
was you against him in an amazing race, if it
was a fight, maybe, you know. I mean, if if
we had to, you know, a fist fight, I could
probably beat him. But I'm not beating him in anything else.
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He's that dude, that guy sharp as attack. There's no way.
Great to talk to you, have fun. We look forward
to watching you. Thank you, Rex, my pleasure. Dan. Take care,
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