May 31, 2024 • 53 mins
On today's Dan Patrick Show, DP reacts to the Dallas Mavericks advancing to the NBA Finals and examines how the Mavs will stack up against the Boston Celtics. ESPN NFL Insider Mike Tannenbaum explains why he would choose Jordan Love over Trevor Lawrence to lead a franchise right now. Plus, 4x NBA Champion John Salley reflects on his days with the Bad Boy Pistons and gives his thoughts on the NBA Finals matchup.
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Thank you, Tom, all right, eight seven seven to three
DP show Tyler, the operators sitting by, take your phone
calls seat and we'll have a poll question for you.
We have to wait a week, but it'll be worth it.
NBA Finals get ready, the Dallas Mavericks roll the Timberwolves,
Luca with thirty six, Kyrie with thirty six. So you
have a weekend with no basketball, you'll have the NHL
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playoffs and you'll have some baseball as well. Panthers over
the Rangers. They're up three to two in this series.
But back to the Mavericks. When the season started, I'm
looking at the odds on favorites to win the title.
This isseason. Boston Celtics and the Denver Nuggets were tied
at plus four p fifty. Then it was the Phoenix
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Suns oops, then the Bucks, Golden State, Lakers Heat seventy
six Ers, Clippers, Grizzlies, Mavericks. Yeah yeah, Mavericks were tied
with the Cleveland Cavaliers. Just ahead of these Sacramento Kings.
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you had the MAVs at plus twenty five hundred, same
for the Calves, then the Kings, then the Pelicans, then
the Knicks, and then the Minnesota Timberwolves were at plus
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sixty six hundred. It was a good year. You can
lose and still have a good year. I think this
was a good year from Minnesota. I think it was
a good year for the New York Knicks. Certain teams
that maybe they overachieve a little bit when the Hawks
went to the Eastern Conference Finals a couple of years ago. Gosh,
does it seem like it was only a couple of
years ago. I don't think it really happened. I yes,
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you know what, when you told me that the other day,
You're like, God, I can't believe the Hawks went to
the Eastern Conference Finals. I go, what year?
Speaker 6 (05:29):
You go?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It was just a couple of years ago. I go,
oh my god, that's right, the Hawks in the Eastern
Conference Finals.
Speaker 8 (05:36):
Remember Ben Simmons passed up that wide open shot.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Oh yes, yes, all right. So you got Dallas going
to the NBA Finals. Got a lot of storylines here.
You got Kyrie going back to Boston, Christaps Porzingis maybe,
you know, going back to Dallas. I don't know if
the Maverick fans are going to be upset that, you know,
Porzingis comes to town. Boston fans are gonna be uh,
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they're gonna let Kyrie know all about that.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
I gotta be Boston fans.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yes they are. That's yes, that's it.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
They're so.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Luca and Kyrie each had thirty six. This was never
a game I'm watching, and all of a sudden, Luca
gets going and gets going and it kind of sounded
like this fourteen for Luca.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
On Loco's going on here road.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
Yes, hears on London night, broke the l Anderson controlled
by the mouths. Another heat check from from Luca. He
checks again, another three, got it, He's over flower.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
He has over.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Fire twenty points. All right, Kevin, Harlan and Regg with
the call. There. Here's Anthony Edwards after the loss talking
about Luca.
Speaker 8 (06:47):
What did you see happen so early there that just
brought a knockout punch and made it tough to come back?
Speaker 6 (06:52):
Luca? Is that simple?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
He had like three shots from the from the loco
so pretty much nothing we can.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
Do about it?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Well, well, I thought there was something you could do
about it. And I know the Minnesota Timberwolves are going
to get a haul passed today because we're going to go.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
They overachieved and there was no aggression. I wanted to
see physicality. I wanted you to come out and say
you're not going to win on our floor, and I
never saw it last night. And Luca all of a
sudden got on a heater and he was not getting
off until he said, yeah, I'm a little tired, Hey, Kai,
why don't you take over? And then Kyrie Irving had
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thirty six as well. But I was surprised, I don't
want to say disappointed. I was surprised that I didn't
get physicality out of Minnesota that they were going to.
I mean, at some point you got to bump him,
knock him down something. You can't just let him go.
I don't know where do I want to score? You know,
I haven't shot over here in a couple of I'm
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gonna go over here and hit a three. I wanted
to see something more. I wanted to see Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
See.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
This is what drives me crazy about my business. We
have to have a declaration. It's got to be like today,
Luca the best player in the NBA.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Was he the best player a week ago?
Speaker 7 (08:05):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Probably not? But he is now Okay, But then it
wasn't long ago where we were saying, joker, he's going
to be a top ten player of Okay, Like it's immediate.
Anthony Edwards, he's the second coming of Michael Jordan. No,
he's not give it time. He's twenty two Luca. If
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Luca wins the title this year, Luca will win the
MVP next year. You pretty much count on it, because
now all of a sudden, he lived up to the expectations.
He won a title like Joker, I don't know, he
doesn't deserve the MVP and t he win a title.
Then he wins a title, and I go, you're gonna
win the MVP next year or now this year, and
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he did because we need that validation. Now we're going
to be disappointed in Anthony Edwards. He did know Michael Jordan, well,
he didn't say he was.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
We did.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
And Luca is not old. He's twenty five. It does
feel like he's old. And in three years is a
big difference in the NBA. Anthony Edwards is going to
be a star. He already is a star, but he's
not ready. He wasn't ready, his team wasn't ready. It
was a great story this year. And then go back
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to when you know the Dallas Mavericks got Kyrie Irving.
Seaton went back and looked at the show that we
did that day because it was in real time our
reaction when Shams reported that Brooklyn was sending him to
the Dallas Mavericks and they got a couple of players,
and they got some draft picks there, but the reaction
was pretty much the same. Oh Man nets, they did
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a great job. They fleece the MAVs. Look at what
they got. They got Spencer Dinwiddie, Dorian Finney Smith, a
first round pick, and multiple second round picks, and Dallas
got Kyrie and everybody had the same reaction pretty much.
And I think our pole question was the they get
better or.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Did the MAVs get better or problems?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yes, yeah, And my reaction was both because you can't
look at Kyrie and without looking at him in full
like the totality of you get Kyrie, what are you
getting where You're getting an injury prone guy who's thirty
one and we don't know if basketball is important to
him anymore. That was a fair assessment about Kyrie. I
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never said anything about his basketball skills, because even at
thirty one, even banged up, injury prone, he still was elite.
But I said, you know, you're not sure what you're getting.
But it really came down to almost his mindset, like
did you want to hit the reset button? We asked
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how would Luca respond to this? Would it be a
welcoming site that he would get somebody who was a
equal as far as scoring, playmaking ability, and it turned
out that way. And Kyrie has been great, you know,
And this isn't revisionist history. I know what he is.
I didn't know who he was, but he came to
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Dallas and there's no drama there. We haven't heard anything
out of him, and that's good because we do want
to see him just play basketball. The other stuff, the
ancillary stuff, the off the court. If he revisits that
when he's done, great. I like to see a player
who has that much talent, that ability to be back
on the big stage again. And he's been through an
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awful lot. But at thirty one, thirty two, all of
a sudden you look around and you go, this is
not going to last much longer. How do I want
to be remembered? Does he care about how he wants
to be remembered? But when he plays, when he wants
to play, he's remarkable. Here's Kyrie irving after the win.
Speaker 9 (11:50):
It has been seven long years, but it's also felt
like the right amount of time, you know, in order
to reward myself be in the locker room with my
teammates and enjoying it. A long time coming, so we
are going to enjoy this, but we obviously noticed just
a pisstop in the journey, and we got to get
ready for you know, that court turning gold, as I
like to say, you know, the shoe's turn goal, the
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jersey's turn gold. And you know, as a kid, that's
what you dream of getting too, is the finals and
being able to play against the best of the.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Best with the whole world watching. Yeah, okay, get ready
for Boston. Here's some of the reactions. Why any team
at all would tether any part of their competitive livelihood,
however short or long term to this dude is beyond me.
Was Dallas desperate maybe, but Mark Cuban not afraid to
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take a chance. They brought in Kyrie. Kyrie had to
respect Luca, had to respect Jason Kidd, had to be
willing to be a great team player, and he realized
that you're not going to be the guy. You know,
he had to go out there and also, you know,
be a little bit submissive to Lucas Lucas team. How
do I fit in? And Kyrie has done a wonderful job.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Yes, yeah, I think too that if you go back,
you know, obviously revision his history, but just some of
the things that Kyrie was saying about, you know, appreciating
Lebron more. He wished that he had done that more
in Cleveland, and there was a certain his comments were
a lot more mature and that he was reflective too.
It gives you a little bit of insight actually into
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why he's okay being the Robin to Luca's batman. Now
he's okay, let no, you go be the guy and
I'll be the other guy that helps us get there,
no problem.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
He wasn't that way, and that was part of the
reason why he wanted out of Cleveland. He wanted his
own team. He went to Boston. Then all of a
sudden he wanted out of Boston. Now he goes to
Brooklyn that he wants to pair up with Harden Durant.
Then that doesn't work out for a variety of reasons.
You know, his stance with COVID. There was a controversial
film that he was backing that was labeled anti Semitic.
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I mean, there was a lot of things here and
we didn't know if he wanted to play. When he
did play, there was no argument he was a wonderful player.
He's a wonderful player. It was all the other stuff
that went into it. So you're going to have people
today they're going to be like, yeah, I knew Dallas
was getting a great player, and Dallas got the better
end of the year. That wasn't the way it went
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down when it first happened, because everybody reacted as you
would expect them to, and that is we're not quite
sure what you're getting. Is Dallas desperate? Did they give
up too much? Wow, Brooklyn fleeced the Dallas Mavericks. But
last night Luca was wonderful. Early Now you're going to
hear today. Is Luca the best player in the world?
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Is it just because you dusted off the Minnesota Timberwolves?
Is he now better than Joker? Because Joker's not the playoffs?
But that's what happens, It's immediate, it's overnight, Luca best
player in the game. A lot of people don't watch
basketball games. They see highlights. That was a game. If
you watch the game, then you un understood somebody is
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going to basically take his hand and put it on
your throat and make sure that you run out of oxygen.
He did that to the entire building last night. In
real time. You saw it. He outscored Minnesota in the
first quarter twenty to nineteen and probably could have put
up sixty, but then he didn't need to. But watching
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that in real time, that's when you understand. Sometimes you
got killers out there and they want the ball, they
want the moment, and he certainly did last night, and
Minnesota had no answers and they weren't physical. I was
shocked with the lack of energy urgency that I saw
with Minnesota. All right, phone calls are welcome. This meet
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Friday eight seven seven three DP show. We'll settle on
a pull question. Coming up. We'll look at the wide
receiver market. Coming up here, Mike Tannebond from the Mothership
former GM, because if you don't sign your receiver now
wait a month, it's going to cost you a few
million dollars more. Also, John Sally won four titles, is
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with the Lakers, with the bad Boys, with the Bulls.
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Rookie quarterbacks who made the playoffs since nineteen seventy.
Speaker 11 (17:00):
C J.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Stroud did that last year, Brock perty in twenty twenty two.
How about Skyler Thompson with my Dolphins in twenty twenty two.
Mac Jones did it, Lamar Jackson, Connor Cook with the Raiders,
Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson, RG three, Andrew Luck, TJ. Yates
with the Texans, and some of these they're filling in
for somebody who was injured, Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan,
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Ben Roethlisberger, Sean King, Todd Marinovich, Jim Everett, Peter Brock,
Bernie Kosar, Dan Marino. We're asking Caleb Williams to join
that group. I think he can. Let's bring in Mike Tannenbon,
former front office executive for two NFL teams. You can
find him on Get Up Sports Center, NFL Live throughout
this summer. Good to see you, Mike t. Do you
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think Caleb Williams leads the Bears to the playoffs this year?
Speaker 8 (17:51):
I don't dan, but I think he's gonna have a
great career. And I think we're playing such an enormous
amount of pressure on these young quarterbacks. You know, you
look most at guys like Patrick Mahomes, Jordan Love they
sat and now there are two of the younger, bigger
stars in our league. Obviously Mahomes is the best player.
And I think going back to like you mentioned Sanchez,
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like Mark was a meaningful part of what we did
at the Jets, but he was not the leader of
the of the band by any stretch. And I think
these guys are going to hit bumps in the road
and that's just part of development. I look at Caleb
Williams beyond hard knocks stand I just want, like really
worry it's the old coach parcels, Like, let's not put
him in Canton quite yet.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
If you were front office exec with the Bears, would
you have embraced hard knocks to give your team more
you know, publicity exposure nationally, or because because you have
a rookie quarterback, you'd be like, Nope, not this year.
Speaker 8 (18:49):
Yeah, you know, I lived it and the whole world
got to see what a shitty punt returner I am.
So that will live on forever. But look, the bottom
line is, you're the quarterback of the Chicago Bear. You're
like beyond Barack Obama. You must You're the most important
person from the state of Illinois for the foreseeable future,
and that's going to take some time. Like Dan, you know,
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look at you, You're a Hall of Fame broadcaster. You're
a hell of a lot better today than you were
the four years of your career. Like, there's just you
got to put your time in. And if I was
the Bears, I would have kicked and scream and said, hey,
we don't mind doing hard knocks, but not this year.
Let this kid grow, let them develop, let them, you
know again, make some mistakes without the eyes of the
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whole world seeing.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, I think they want the publicity there. And if
Mike was talking about being a kick returner, you can
google that Mike Tannenbaumb returning punts and you don't have
a good laugh there. When you saw the Jalen Waddle deal,
your reaction was smart.
Speaker 8 (19:47):
Good young player, explosive touchdown score. You know that market's
only going up. I'm hard pressed to understand what Minnesota's doing.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Dan.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
The day that Kirk Cousins graduates and goes to the Falcons,
I fly to see Justin uppersonce agent, and I don't
leave the room now getting a deal done, and that
mark you just continues to explode.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Well, I was curious Wattle. It felt like got number
one wide receiver money. And at what point does Tyreek
Hill go, I need to renegotiate here.
Speaker 8 (20:17):
I actually think that's apples and oranges. I think Tyreek
Hill is going to ask for a new deal after
this year. He has no guaranteed money, so I think regardless,
like I think Tyreek Hill's mindset is. I love Wattle,
but he's one A or one B, whatever it is.
I'm the guy here. I'm the best receiver in the NFL,
and I'm gonna wann thirty four to thirty five million
dollars a year, and I'm glad that I have Robin,
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but I'm Batman.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Okay. Speaking of Tyreek Hill, we had this discussion earlier today.
Let's say Tyreek Hill and Randy Moss were coming into
the NFL. Now you knew what their talents were, which
one would you take first in today's NFL Randy Moss
or Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
I'm always gonna take Moss just because there's things about
his game that are literally indefensible.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
You know.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
I think with Tyrek Hill, who's a Hall of Famer,
I think you could try to jam him at the
line of scrimmage, you can put somebody over the top.
There's ways to at least slow down speed. But with
Randy Moss, it was kind of like with Gronk for
all those years. Dan like red zone, like you know
what's coming, and literally it's indefensible what he could do
in terms of a high pointing the ball.
Speaker 11 (21:22):
Like.
Speaker 8 (21:22):
So to me, like I would take Moss over Hill.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
But I'm watching when they had hard knocks during the
season with the Dolphins and they just had a camera
on Tyreek Hill. You can't cover him, like even trying
to get him off the line of scrimmage. Mike, it's
I just think he can beat you short long. He's
so quick. He's as fast as Randy Moss, or at
least close to it. I'm guessing now he doesn't have
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the height advantage, but he's not afraid. You know he's
gonna get it, and he can take it eighty yards
and you know the pass can be four yards and
he takes it eighty. It always felt like Randy and look,
he was unbelievable, but he was a home run threat.
I need singles in doubles sometimes too, and it feels
like Tyreek Hill gives me both.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
Yeah, look, I'd love to have either or both on
the team. But again I go back to Randy Moss.
Me is a little bit more like Gronk, Like, no
matter what we did with Gronk, we couldn't defend him,
like just because of the size. And I think Moss's
ability to high point the ball, to me, is what
would separate the two. But again, I'm taking nothing away
from tyer Kill.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
All right, let me go back to the wide receivers here, Jefferson.
I thought they might entertain trading him because if you're
gonna let Kirk Cousins go, now, I got Sam Darnold
and you're gonna get a rookie quarterback in there. Jordan
Addison is, you know, a star in the making as well.
But Justin Jefferson thirty five million dollars a year wide
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receivers that where we're starting out.
Speaker 8 (22:51):
Look, I think that's exactly right, Dan, it's a really
fair point. If we were going to move on from Cousins,
maybe we blow the whole thing up. Take JJ McCarthy
and say, hey, you know, two to three years, we're
gonna be really good and run the Detroit Lion play.
Obviously they did not do that. So again, like I
think they're a little bit half pregnant, which was if
you're gonna keep Jefferson, get the deal done before A j. Brown,
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DeVante Smith, now Jalen Waddell. And by the way, the
big winner and all this me is Jamar Chase c
citing in Cincinnati Daan with his feed up and saying, Hey,
I'm gonna have my LSU teammate do all the heavy lifting,
and I'm just gonna walk in and tell you know,
the Brown family, I need ten percent more than you
know whatever. You know, Justin Jefferson gets and we're good to.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Go, Okay, where do you rank wide receiver on your
priority list as far as who you're paying and how
much you're paying.
Speaker 8 (23:38):
I'm not paying him as much, but for a different reason.
I think the position is super important, but it's also replaceable.
And let me give you a great example if you
and I were running the Cowboys. First of all, I'm
shocked at that's that signed yet, like they've given him
a blank check, but he's going to be there. I'm
gonna pay Micah Parsons before Ceeinge Lamb just because it's
a lot harder to find Micah than it is Cdee Lamb.
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Taking nothing away from Cedee Lamb. But if we were
running a team Dan, we can find a receiver, and
that's why I would consider paying one, not two. And
I think a good example of that is like what
Cincinnati's doing. They're gonna let t Higgins graduate. They drafted
Jermaine Burton the third round and hopefully in a year
he's going to replace Higgins. We saw San Francisco take
two receivers, Jacob Cowey in the fourth they took Ricky
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Kersel in the first round. Presumably they'll let you know
either Deebo Samuel or Brandon. Iuko at the end of the.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Year talking to Mike Tan and Bamb ESPN front office insider.
Let me go back to the Cowboys. Are they in
a good situation? If you're the GM of the Cowboys,
how do you feel about this season? With CD, LAMB, Dak,
and Micah Parsons all looking for new contracts.
Speaker 8 (24:44):
They're in a catastrophically terrible situation. Here's why. Dak Prescott's
thirty one years old. He was second in the league
in the MVP, and he has no ability to be franchised.
So Dan, imagine if we were running the Raiders, there's
no price we would pay not to go get Dak
with some other really good pieces there.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
You know.
Speaker 8 (25:03):
Now they have rocked hours DeVante Adams, So it's not
what you think he's worth, it's what he can get
in the market. And without them drafting a quarterback this year. Now, look,
maybe Trey Lance develops, but let's face it, that's a
long shot. You've essentially given him a blank check. I mean,
you have to get him signed. He's in the prime
of his career and there's absolutely nothing you can stop
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him from leaving. At the end of the season.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, and it feels like if they don't get I
just don't know why they're not paying him. If if
Jerry's saying, well, let me see it one more time,
like give me the reason or logic. If you're the
GM and you go to Jerry, why aren't why don't
we have a deal with Dak Yeah.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
I think there is an argument out there, and when
you talk to teams there's a little bit of a
sentiment of would you rather have Gardner Minshew at ten
million dollars a year and versus someone like you know,
Daniel Jones or Kirk Cousins between thirty five and forty
million a year, meaning that be market is one where
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it's say, you have so much of your resources unless
they're like a difference maker, or we better off just
going young, or you know a Marcus Mariot or a
Minshew type. Now to me, daft to me is an
a I know there's some postseason concerns, but he's played
really well and when you talk to people in that building,
his leadership and character is beyond reproach and he has
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a personality that could withstand being you know, basically like
one of the highest profile positions in the sport.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, they keep waiting and the price tag keeps going up.
If I said you can have Jordan Love for the
next five years or Trevor Lawrence the next five years.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
Oh, that's easy for me. It's Jordan Love. I'll put
it to you this way.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
It's easy. That's not easy.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
It's easy. Dan. If we were drafting NFL players, I
think you and I would agree we take Patrick Mahomes
number one. I'm taking Jordan Love number two. I've really
been thinking about this a lot, like who would you
take her for? Jordan Love in terms of youth ability,
and I think his future is limitless. And while I
think Trevor Lawrence has a ability, you know, at some point,
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you know, this is the old Belichick like you should
show greatness. And I think what we've seen with Trevor
Lawrence is being shown being good B plus. But we've
seen Jordan Love in one year show greatness. He was arguably,
over the last half of the season, arguably the best
quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
So if we're having a quarterback draft, you're taking Mahomes
and then you're taking Jordan left.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
One hundred percent. And I'm not even thinking about it.
You can have anybody else, but you give me Jordan Love.
I'm set for the next decade. High character, great ability
been fully baked and developed, and I'm not looking back.
And by the way that team is loaded with young
skill players, I'm hard pressed to think that they're not
going to be right back where they were a year ago,
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deep in.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
The NFC playoffs.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Look at you, Look at you. Mike Greenberg's probably crying
right now because you're saying this on my show and
not on Get Up or First Take with Steven A.
ESPN's going to go, Hey, Mike, t easy there. Save
the hot stuff for our shows.
Speaker 8 (28:15):
We'll get to that once the NBA files are over.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
I'm sure new kickoff rules this year, do you draft differently?
Like what's the strategy from a front office executive with
the new kickoff rules?
Speaker 8 (28:28):
Yeah, it already impacted the draft, you know, talk to
a lot of teams about it. What's really interesting, Dan,
and again none of us know, but based on the
limited information we have from like the XFL and others,
you're looking at a little bit of a different body type.
It's really interesting. So for example, like we talked about
Tyreek Hill, the people that are there gravitate gravitating to
is someone like Cordrell Patterson, someone a little bit bigger, sturdier,
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because I think what you're going to be seeing is
someone that has to break a tackle before you get
into space. And look, that's the speculation, but I'm not
saying it's gonna be him, but someone like a Deebo
sand or someone that's really physical, because this rule is
designed to have physicality in a small space so you
don't have that high speed impact. And I think if
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we're sitting here around Halloween and talking about player X
leading the league and kickoff returns, I think it's gonna
be somebody that has the ability to break tackles.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Would you have Tyreek Hill go back if you're the
Dolphins if the.
Speaker 8 (29:24):
Game was on the line. I want the ball in
his hands one hundred percent of the time. But I
also have to be smart to know that it's a
seventeen game season, and let's face it, if it's Week
four and more on the road against an NFC team,
I'm not doing that. And I think, you know, we
got to remember. I know he's not a quarterback, but
last year, sixty six quarterbacks started a game and the
health of your frontline players.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Matter, great stuff. People in Green Bay love you.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
Yeah, they'll they'll buy me a beer next time in
the town. So I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Dan, Thank you.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
Mike.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
That's Mike Tannebaum, ESPN Front Office Segue executive and he
speaks from experience. He was a GM for a couple
of teams there. How about that with Jordan Love? Okay?
And he said, oh, it's easy. When I said if
you were taking Trevor Lawrence Jordan Love, and he goes,
it's easy, I thought, well, he's going to say Trevor
Lawrence all of a sudden, Jordan Love. I go ooh, okay,
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that's that's a one year performance from Jordan Love. It's
one of those where you go and this is why
I think that Green Bay wanted to move on from
Aaron Rodgers a year earlier. Is eventually you know what
you have. It's just like when they moved on from
Brett fav they could see what they had with Aaron
Rodgers and then you're like, oh gosh, you know Kansas City,
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you know you had a you know, a situation where
you go, okay, Alex is going to take us so far.
Look at that guy when Justin Herbert went to the
Chargers and you saw him during training camp, and then
you go, oh my gosh, Okay, that guy's going to
be your The players see it before everybody else does.
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But Jordan Love is the second quarterback off the board
with everybody in there, Joe Burrow, mar Jackson. Wow, all right,
you're welcome Green Bay. You're welcome, Wisconsin. Let me get
a couple of phone calls in here, Sean and Oregon. Hi, Sean,
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what's on your mind today?
Speaker 12 (31:28):
Hey, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 11 (31:29):
Dan.
Speaker 12 (31:30):
I heard you talking about the Bears earlier and you
said you have seven wins and they're pretty good team.
I mean, I doesn't even go together.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
I mean, they not be.
Speaker 12 (31:40):
One of the worst teams. But America doesn't believe in
the Bears, and we're not so sure that Caleb Williams
won't even be a bus with those guys, and we're
just not believers.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
Brother.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Okay, look, I'm not a Bears fan. I'm just telling
you what I think, and I think that with seven wins.
The reason why I say that they're, you know, a
respectable team with seven wins is normally you have the
number one pick, you had two or three wins, so
they're already ahead of the game. They got the number
one pick. They also got a number one wide receiver
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in one of the greatest fleecing that we've seen in
NFL history with a trade, and you got Caleb Williams.
And no, I don't know if he's going to be successful,
but I am. I'm assuming he's going to be respectable
his first year. You got some talent there. It's great
to have an offensive line, some consistency with the head
coach or offensive coordinator, which hopefully he gets, and you know,
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you could be an eight or nine win team.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Yeah, the Bears had seven wins last season. Yeah, that
didn't feel like a respectable season.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Well for the for the team with the first pick. Overall,
how many seven win you know teams like that get.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
You know, I have them as seven and ten last year,
three and fourteen, the year before, six and eleven, eight
and eight, eight and eight. In twenty eighteen they were
twelve and four. Man, does that feel like a lifetime?
It was a long time? Holy smokes.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
All right, I'm just on. I'm on the Bears bandwagon,
and I can say that I haven't been on the
Bears bandwagon since Jim McMahon was there.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
I feel like Kayleb Williams has to start at eight
wins plus. That's a disappointment if he doesn't get to
eight wins. If you're matching what Justin Fields did or CJ.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Stroud? Are the Bears as good as the Texans were
going into last season?
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Well, like if PFF grated the roster, Yes, we could
check that.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, because nobody had the Texans doing anything. You had
a rookie coach and a rookie quarterback and you didn't
know anybody on that team.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Well, the Texans were three thirteen and one when they
drafted CJ. Stroud and then the next year, how's he?
Speaker 4 (34:00):
In the playoffs? The Bears had four more wins.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
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Roll the Timberwolf says, Luca goes for thirty six, including
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twenty in the first quarter. Kyrie with thirty six as well.
We have to wait a week before the start of
the NBA Finals and this was just a portion of
Luca's performance in the first quarter. Fourteen for Luca.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
Is going on here.
Speaker 7 (34:54):
He is on Monday night Oke Delay Anderson controlled by
the map from the work up to three, he's ower.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
He has over.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Fired twenty points. That's Kevin Harlan and Reggie Miller with
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(35:29):
now it's John Sally, good buddy of the show. Let
me give the proper introduction. First player in NBA history
to win a championship with three different franchises, as well
as the first player in the NBA to win a
championship in three different decades. John Sally back on the program.
Look at the that's a young Michael Jordan T shirt
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you got on there.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
That's right, Well go teeth man. Even going back to.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
It, yeah, but you didn't have that when you were
with the Pistons. You wouldn't be wearing a Michael Jordan
T shirt back then.
Speaker 11 (36:00):
It is so funny then, and hey, thanks for having
me on the show. Long time listener, second time appearance.
What I was I would hang with MJ. So I
was doing my first late night talk show. I was
doing it during the season in nineteen eighty eight because
(36:20):
I thought I was setting it up for my future,
which I was my second year player. But I would
hang out with MJ. He would come into Detroit, I'd
pick him up. We would go eat, you know, in Chicago.
He couldn't really do anything and hang. But I always
been around money. I loved it still to this day.
(36:40):
I loved to death. But you know, my teammates after
my first season made sure, Hey, if they're not wearing
our colors.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
They're not our gang. And so it took me a
second to learn it.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
But did you catch heat from Isaiah or lame Beer
or anybody else that you were hanging with Mike.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
No, because they didn't. I didn't let him know.
Speaker 11 (36:59):
I was hanging with Mike one time, right my first Thanksgiving,
thirst Thanksgiving in the Pros. Right around that time, we're
playing against the Hawk and Kevin Willis comes in town.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
He from the d where everybody go over to his
mama's house. I show up. I then drive them back
to that hotel.
Speaker 11 (37:16):
They beat the living out of me the next day,
and Bill Amber says, they're not your friends anymore. We are,
and I never forgot it. So I learned how to
separate friendship and being a Viking. I learned how our
raider better put.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
But if you look at the image the persona personality
of the bad Boys, was it more Isaiah or more
lame Beer? Wooh?
Speaker 6 (37:45):
It was these two together.
Speaker 11 (37:46):
I know it sounds crazy, but that's why they were
all two captains. They led just like that. It was
a well oiled machine. We knew the hierarchy, we knew
how it worked. We had these two generals, and then
we had this really quiet secretary named Joe Dubars, And
then we had this unbelievable sniper coming off the bench
(38:06):
named Vinnie Johnson, and then we had our grunt our grunts.
It was me, it was Dennis, it was Rick Mahorn,
it was James Edwards, Marc Gui was came in and
with special units. I mean we literally rant it like that.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
But if you look back on the players that you
played with or against, you got Isaiah, Yeah, Kobe, yeah,
Mike Yeah. So if we're gonna okay, we're gonna rank those,
I'm gonna give you the first pick in the draft.
You can have Zeke, Mike, Shaq, Kobe, anybody else you
(38:44):
want to throw in there.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (38:48):
So the first player I would draft would be out
of North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Okay.
Speaker 11 (38:53):
The next person would be Isaiah Thomas, and then I
would get Shaquille o' neil. And then I would do
it Jerry West did, and I would find this kid
in high school who has the potential to be.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
I'm telling you I would.
Speaker 11 (39:07):
Isaiah is the toughest guy, one of the toughest guys
I ever played with. He's maybe six to one, and
he can do it all and he had to.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
He he's underrated. John, I think, oh, he's way under yeah. Really,
And I think attitude, Yeah, I think attitude. Uh, the
way you guys played. You know, maybe it turned people
off with embracing him, but he wasn't afraid of a
big moment. Whether it's with Bob Knight in Indiana or
certainly with you guys.
Speaker 6 (39:36):
It didn't turn people off in Detroit.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
No, no, you guys love that, but elsewhere it's weird.
Though we embraced Michael around the league, you guys were
never embraced around the league. We embraced Larry around the league,
We embraced Magic around the league. Never embrace the bad boys.
Speaker 6 (39:55):
You know why.
Speaker 11 (39:57):
Because the manuscript or on, you know, it was magic
and Bird and magic and Bird, and then all of
a sudden, first it was, hey, how do we get
out of this doctor j situation?
Speaker 6 (40:08):
And they have magic?
Speaker 11 (40:10):
And then then it's magic and bird and it's the
Celtics versus the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
Let's get that going.
Speaker 11 (40:16):
And then when they put the Messiah in Chicago, they
thought it was going to be this guy handing off
to this He's going to be the next run. But
as Mitch Album, the great writer, put this little team
in the middle of the country, out of the city
that no one was paying attention to.
Speaker 6 (40:36):
Messed up the picture.
Speaker 11 (40:37):
So the picture at one time looked like Van Go
and then when we got there it looked like Basquiat.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
A good reference there, reference, good reference. We're talking to
John Sally, the former bad Boy won four NBA titles.
Best player in the world today is.
Speaker 11 (40:53):
Who might be Joker? But Luca last night changed everything.
When I said, you know, I didn't know you don't
know that much about people. When I went to Europe,
I was amazed. And then playing with Tony Kukos let
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me go through this. Remember Tony, just like Isaiah was
not is not recognized as he should be. Tony Kukos
is one of the greatest players that ever played this game,
but because he was in Chicago, we don't we didn't
get to see it. We get to see it if
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you go back and start paying attention. It's amazing. And
watching Luca reminds me of Tony Kuko. Yeah, man, Luke
Tony left handed too. I mean he was doing things
trying to, you know, make every make feel happy, make
everybody else happy.
Speaker 6 (41:52):
But if it.
Speaker 11 (41:52):
Would have just been left up to Luca, I mean
left up to Tony, I mean he was I'm telling you, man,
the guy is an unbelievable player and doesn't get the
credit he deserves because of the Jerry Krouse and this
is Jerry Krouse's boy type thing. It wasn't it wasn't
understanding the genius of Jerry Rowse putting it together. It
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was it was always trying to bring this kid in
and get get out of our way, get past us.
But watching Luca last night, just thinking about it, I
didn't know his father was a pro basketball play in Europe.
I didn't know he started playing pro at seventeen. You know,
Tony Parker started playing in France at fifteen. And we
(42:38):
complain about guys who co man that guy should go
to college. We don't even realize, No, that guy should
go to work. And that's exactly what Luca's dad did,
exactly what Tony Parker's father did. It's exactly what Jelly
Bean did with Kobe. Those guys were at work fifteen, sixteen, seventeen.
Speaker 6 (42:56):
Ready to do a man's job in the league.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah, And Paul George talked about this on a podcast
recently of we have today's players in the United States
playing AAU and all that is is I mean, there's
not a lot of structure to it. It's AAU ball.
Whereas these basketball players in Europe are going to basketball academies,
you know, this is what they have with soccer. Therefore,
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they're playing professionally and they start at fifteen and they're
learning how to dribble, how to everybody does, whether you're
a big man or your guard. Everybody's learning footwork fundamentals.
Whereas our players are just out there playing, you know,
in this AAU team and then that AAU team, and
so you know, lacking the structure that soccer players in
(43:43):
Europe get, basketball players in Europe get.
Speaker 11 (43:46):
Yeah, like even in Brazil, right you can see when
you watching them play soccer. You know a player from
Brazil and you know a player from Mid Africa.
Speaker 6 (43:57):
You can tell that cadence and the way the dribbled
the ball with their feet.
Speaker 11 (44:02):
And when I went to play over in Europe, I
played for Paratha Nikos in Greece for about six weeks.
It was a different mentality. It was seven teams in
the city of Athens. Olympic Nakos was our biggest rival rivalry.
And I'm telling you seven teams in one city of Athens,
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seven around surrounding and there's a newspaper just on sports.
There's a newspaper for news, right then there's the political talk.
But then it's just on sports. And I'm thinking, oh, yeah,
this is fun. I'm going to go here and go there.
Speaker 6 (44:41):
Man.
Speaker 11 (44:41):
I went places in my They said, hey, it got
this nice BMW for it, and it had this logo
in the back. I had to find out where I
can get gased because it said Parathan Nikos. I pull
in one place. They would do it like this, you
better find a game station. Everybody was so intense on
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how it is. And you really look at Giannis the
artist moves to but has grown as born or grown
in reared in Greece. Look at his ability to play basketball.
If you watch his movie You Got a great movie
on Disney Plus, you will see how those coaches are
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serious about the fundamental movie. The problem is American artist.
American kids have always come from the dust. Elvis Presley,
James Brown. You just find it, you use natural ability,
you get to it. Those guys are taught it and
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then they put that they put their twist on it.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
You can have joker or Shack.
Speaker 6 (45:53):
Skill.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
He at least gave a little pause there.
Speaker 11 (46:00):
Joker is one of the best on my podcast. Oh,
I got a new podcast too, you know, I'm not
as big as you, with four hundred thousand affiliates associates
throughout the country on radio.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
It's called the John Sally Podcast. Yeah, really creative with
the title there.
Speaker 11 (46:17):
John No, no, no, it's called TFU. It's it's called
tf you you guys, go and figure out what that means,
because we're you know, we're on a company on this joint.
Speaker 6 (46:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (46:31):
I had the John Sally Podcast because I couldn't think
of a different name. I was thinking, who has a
great show? Oh, Dann Patrick show, John Sally Show. Hey,
I'm not too far off.
Speaker 6 (46:42):
You know.
Speaker 11 (46:44):
The reason I hesitate it is because Joker plays bully ball,
is always balanced, does not miss a pass, and by
the end of the game you realize he has given
you twenty twenty and twenty.
Speaker 6 (47:02):
That's that's that's why I like joking.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
I'm gonna give you Larry Bird and his prime or
Lebron in his prime, libird. That's a quick answer.
Speaker 6 (47:15):
Do you do you remember? I know I have nightmares?
Do you do you have night I.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
I yes, I was there in the eighties. Yes, I
was there too. I was there covering well, we were
I was covering the Celtics. You were trying to cover
the Celtics. Uh, you know.
Speaker 6 (47:35):
And and and Larry loved me, man.
Speaker 11 (47:37):
Larry was so cool with me because you know, I me, Lenny,
Mike Brown, we would you know, read all Back would
have us come play and.
Speaker 6 (47:45):
There their camp.
Speaker 11 (47:48):
When when read all Back was bringing in guys some country,
I said, you were playing where Sylvania?
Speaker 6 (47:55):
No, So it was like he's.
Speaker 11 (47:57):
Bringing in these grown, grown men who were like, I
want this job. And we were playing every night, Kevin
McHale and I was like, oh, they don't even know
how much I'm a Celtic fan. They have no idea.
But I played it cool. But then Larry would man.
I remember at the end of the game. I had
never seen this. Larry had more ice on, but he
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looked like an Eskimo, like it was like this, and
he would talk to you ice everywhere and then come
out to it because he had ice his knees, ice
his ankles, ICE's shoulder, ice on his back, ice on
his neck, and he'd be sitting in that locker room
just covered in ice.
Speaker 6 (48:36):
And then the game.
Speaker 11 (48:37):
Then the next day he would come in as if
he was not hurting. And and just the thing that
reminds me of Larry that I saw last night is
the way Luca shoots the ball that whole right here
behind your head, and it's here the whole time, and
it's the follow through and it finds the rim every
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every time.
Speaker 6 (49:01):
That was a crazy thing when I watched that last night.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Did you guard bird?
Speaker 6 (49:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Okay, successfully.
Speaker 6 (49:13):
Did I got him?
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Yes, but no, this is but if he liked you,
he did probably didn't talk trash to you.
Speaker 6 (49:21):
Oh, he talked it all the time.
Speaker 11 (49:23):
He was constantly, constantly talking like it was a trip
that even I looked at the video when Dennis Ramins
leg gets caught in his neck and Bill and Bed
he goes down and he's punching Bill. The first person
I went to grab was Larry to pull him off,
and then DJ grabs me.
Speaker 6 (49:42):
I said, I'm trying to get him off.
Speaker 11 (49:44):
Of and then we get out the way and I
mind my business because you know, at that time, I'm
totally not understanding everything.
Speaker 6 (49:53):
But Larry was.
Speaker 11 (49:54):
Yeah, he would talk and he would say, Sally better
ask for a double team, bro, you know.
Speaker 6 (50:00):
And there's.
Speaker 11 (50:03):
I was like, when are you going to keep letting
these when you're gonna let these people know you're a
black guy from Indiana, when you're gonna do that, stop
this whiteness, what do you do it?
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah? But then he would have been just another black player,
according dude, does Rodman whoa callback? Or Isaiah?
Speaker 6 (50:19):
Go back?
Speaker 7 (50:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (50:21):
Go back?
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Justine wasn't so wrong?
Speaker 6 (50:23):
Was it so wrong?
Speaker 2 (50:25):
So Bird was just another black player if he was
if he was black?
Speaker 11 (50:30):
Uh, I remember when that happened, right, I was there.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
I was there, and I was like, oh my god.
That was a hot topic though John at the time.
Speaker 6 (50:43):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 11 (50:44):
It was a young rookie saying saying things, Uh, not understanding.
Speaker 6 (50:51):
Hey, they do the same thing. It's it's not our ful.
Racism is your fault. No, it's it's always been.
Speaker 11 (51:03):
They did movies about it, The Great White Hole, But
it's always been when somebody's exceptional, then they go to
their skin color and whatever skin he's in, that race
takes him is like, that's our champion. You know, we
did it. We did it with Tiger Wood. Tiger Wood, because.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
You didn't do that with VJ. Singh though, but you
did that with Tiger Woods.
Speaker 6 (51:30):
VJ.
Speaker 11 (51:30):
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It's great to see you, John, Thanks for joining always
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We have to wait a week, but it'll be worth it.
NBA Finals get ready, the Dallas Mavericks roll the Timberwolves,
Luca with thirty six, Kyrie with thirty six. So you
have a weekend with no basketball, you'll have the NHL
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playoffs and you'll have some baseball as well. Panthers over
the Rangers. They're up three to two in this series.
But back to the Mavericks. When the season started, I'm
looking at the odds on favorites to win the title.
This isseason. Boston Celtics and the Denver Nuggets were tied
at plus four p fifty. Then it was the Phoenix
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Suns oops, then the Bucks, Golden State, Lakers Heat seventy
six Ers, Clippers, Grizzlies, Mavericks. Yeah yeah, Mavericks were tied
with the Cleveland Cavaliers. Just ahead of these Sacramento Kings.
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The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. So
you had the MAVs at plus twenty five hundred, same
for the Calves, then the Kings, then the Pelicans, then
the Knicks, and then the Minnesota Timberwolves were at plus
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sixty six hundred. It was a good year. You can
lose and still have a good year. I think this
was a good year from Minnesota. I think it was
a good year for the New York Knicks. Certain teams
that maybe they overachieve a little bit when the Hawks
went to the Eastern Conference Finals a couple of years ago. Gosh,
does it seem like it was only a couple of
years ago. I don't think it really happened. I yes,
(05:21):
you know what, when you told me that the other day,
You're like, God, I can't believe the Hawks went to
the Eastern Conference Finals. I go, what year?
Speaker 6 (05:29):
You go?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It was just a couple of years ago. I go,
oh my god, that's right, the Hawks in the Eastern
Conference Finals.
Speaker 8 (05:36):
Remember Ben Simmons passed up that wide open shot.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Oh yes, yes, all right. So you got Dallas going
to the NBA Finals. Got a lot of storylines here.
You got Kyrie going back to Boston, Christaps Porzingis maybe,
you know, going back to Dallas. I don't know if
the Maverick fans are going to be upset that, you know,
Porzingis comes to town. Boston fans are gonna be uh,
(05:58):
they're gonna let Kyrie know all about that.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
I gotta be Boston fans.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yes they are. That's yes, that's it.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
They're so.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Luca and Kyrie each had thirty six. This was never
a game I'm watching, and all of a sudden, Luca
gets going and gets going and it kind of sounded
like this fourteen for Luca.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
On Loco's going on here road.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
Yes, hears on London night, broke the l Anderson controlled
by the mouths. Another heat check from from Luca. He
checks again, another three, got it, He's over flower.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
He has over.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Fire twenty points. All right, Kevin, Harlan and Regg with
the call. There. Here's Anthony Edwards after the loss talking
about Luca.
Speaker 8 (06:47):
What did you see happen so early there that just
brought a knockout punch and made it tough to come back?
Speaker 6 (06:52):
Luca? Is that simple?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
He had like three shots from the from the loco
so pretty much nothing we can.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
Do about it?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Well, well, I thought there was something you could do
about it. And I know the Minnesota Timberwolves are going
to get a haul passed today because we're going to go.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
They overachieved and there was no aggression. I wanted to
see physicality. I wanted you to come out and say
you're not going to win on our floor, and I
never saw it last night. And Luca all of a
sudden got on a heater and he was not getting
off until he said, yeah, I'm a little tired, Hey, Kai,
why don't you take over? And then Kyrie Irving had
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thirty six as well. But I was surprised, I don't
want to say disappointed. I was surprised that I didn't
get physicality out of Minnesota that they were going to.
I mean, at some point you got to bump him,
knock him down something. You can't just let him go.
I don't know where do I want to score? You know,
I haven't shot over here in a couple of I'm
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gonna go over here and hit a three. I wanted
to see something more. I wanted to see Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
See.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
This is what drives me crazy about my business. We
have to have a declaration. It's got to be like today,
Luca the best player in the NBA.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Was he the best player a week ago?
Speaker 7 (08:05):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Probably not? But he is now Okay, But then it
wasn't long ago where we were saying, joker, he's going
to be a top ten player of Okay, Like it's immediate.
Anthony Edwards, he's the second coming of Michael Jordan. No,
he's not give it time. He's twenty two Luca. If
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Luca wins the title this year, Luca will win the
MVP next year. You pretty much count on it, because
now all of a sudden, he lived up to the expectations.
He won a title like Joker, I don't know, he
doesn't deserve the MVP and t he win a title.
Then he wins a title, and I go, you're gonna
win the MVP next year or now this year, and
(08:46):
he did because we need that validation. Now we're going
to be disappointed in Anthony Edwards. He did know Michael Jordan, well,
he didn't say he was.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
We did.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
And Luca is not old. He's twenty five. It does
feel like he's old. And in three years is a
big difference in the NBA. Anthony Edwards is going to
be a star. He already is a star, but he's
not ready. He wasn't ready, his team wasn't ready. It
was a great story this year. And then go back
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to when you know the Dallas Mavericks got Kyrie Irving.
Seaton went back and looked at the show that we
did that day because it was in real time our
reaction when Shams reported that Brooklyn was sending him to
the Dallas Mavericks and they got a couple of players,
and they got some draft picks there, but the reaction
was pretty much the same. Oh Man nets, they did
(09:40):
a great job. They fleece the MAVs. Look at what
they got. They got Spencer Dinwiddie, Dorian Finney Smith, a
first round pick, and multiple second round picks, and Dallas
got Kyrie and everybody had the same reaction pretty much.
And I think our pole question was the they get
better or.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Did the MAVs get better or problems?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yes, yeah, And my reaction was both because you can't
look at Kyrie and without looking at him in full
like the totality of you get Kyrie, what are you
getting where You're getting an injury prone guy who's thirty
one and we don't know if basketball is important to
him anymore. That was a fair assessment about Kyrie. I
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never said anything about his basketball skills, because even at
thirty one, even banged up, injury prone, he still was elite.
But I said, you know, you're not sure what you're getting.
But it really came down to almost his mindset, like
did you want to hit the reset button? We asked
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how would Luca respond to this? Would it be a
welcoming site that he would get somebody who was a
equal as far as scoring, playmaking ability, and it turned
out that way. And Kyrie has been great, you know,
And this isn't revisionist history. I know what he is.
I didn't know who he was, but he came to
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Dallas and there's no drama there. We haven't heard anything
out of him, and that's good because we do want
to see him just play basketball. The other stuff, the
ancillary stuff, the off the court. If he revisits that
when he's done, great. I like to see a player
who has that much talent, that ability to be back
on the big stage again. And he's been through an
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awful lot. But at thirty one, thirty two, all of
a sudden you look around and you go, this is
not going to last much longer. How do I want
to be remembered? Does he care about how he wants
to be remembered? But when he plays, when he wants
to play, he's remarkable. Here's Kyrie irving after the win.
Speaker 9 (11:50):
It has been seven long years, but it's also felt
like the right amount of time, you know, in order
to reward myself be in the locker room with my
teammates and enjoying it. A long time coming, so we
are going to enjoy this, but we obviously noticed just
a pisstop in the journey, and we got to get
ready for you know, that court turning gold, as I
like to say, you know, the shoe's turn goal, the
(12:11):
jersey's turn gold. And you know, as a kid, that's
what you dream of getting too, is the finals and
being able to play against the best of the.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Best with the whole world watching. Yeah, okay, get ready
for Boston. Here's some of the reactions. Why any team
at all would tether any part of their competitive livelihood,
however short or long term to this dude is beyond me.
Was Dallas desperate maybe, but Mark Cuban not afraid to
(12:40):
take a chance. They brought in Kyrie. Kyrie had to
respect Luca, had to respect Jason Kidd, had to be
willing to be a great team player, and he realized
that you're not going to be the guy. You know,
he had to go out there and also, you know,
be a little bit submissive to Lucas Lucas team. How
do I fit in? And Kyrie has done a wonderful job.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Yes, yeah, I think too that if you go back,
you know, obviously revision his history, but just some of
the things that Kyrie was saying about, you know, appreciating
Lebron more. He wished that he had done that more
in Cleveland, and there was a certain his comments were
a lot more mature and that he was reflective too.
It gives you a little bit of insight actually into
(13:25):
why he's okay being the Robin to Luca's batman. Now
he's okay, let no, you go be the guy and
I'll be the other guy that helps us get there,
no problem.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
He wasn't that way, and that was part of the
reason why he wanted out of Cleveland. He wanted his
own team. He went to Boston. Then all of a
sudden he wanted out of Boston. Now he goes to
Brooklyn that he wants to pair up with Harden Durant.
Then that doesn't work out for a variety of reasons.
You know, his stance with COVID. There was a controversial
film that he was backing that was labeled anti Semitic.
(13:55):
I mean, there was a lot of things here and
we didn't know if he wanted to play. When he
did play, there was no argument he was a wonderful player.
He's a wonderful player. It was all the other stuff
that went into it. So you're going to have people
today they're going to be like, yeah, I knew Dallas
was getting a great player, and Dallas got the better
end of the year. That wasn't the way it went
(14:16):
down when it first happened, because everybody reacted as you
would expect them to, and that is we're not quite
sure what you're getting. Is Dallas desperate? Did they give
up too much? Wow, Brooklyn fleeced the Dallas Mavericks. But
last night Luca was wonderful. Early Now you're going to
hear today. Is Luca the best player in the world?
(14:38):
Is it just because you dusted off the Minnesota Timberwolves?
Is he now better than Joker? Because Joker's not the playoffs?
But that's what happens, It's immediate, it's overnight, Luca best
player in the game. A lot of people don't watch
basketball games. They see highlights. That was a game. If
you watch the game, then you un understood somebody is
(15:01):
going to basically take his hand and put it on
your throat and make sure that you run out of oxygen.
He did that to the entire building last night. In
real time. You saw it. He outscored Minnesota in the
first quarter twenty to nineteen and probably could have put
up sixty, but then he didn't need to. But watching
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that in real time, that's when you understand. Sometimes you
got killers out there and they want the ball, they
want the moment, and he certainly did last night, and
Minnesota had no answers and they weren't physical. I was
shocked with the lack of energy urgency that I saw
with Minnesota. All right, phone calls are welcome. This meet
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Friday eight seven seven three DP show. We'll settle on
a pull question. Coming up. We'll look at the wide
receiver market. Coming up here, Mike Tannebond from the Mothership
former GM, because if you don't sign your receiver now
wait a month, it's going to cost you a few
million dollars more. Also, John Sally won four titles, is
(16:10):
with the Lakers, with the bad Boys, with the Bulls.
So John will join us a little bit later on
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Rookie quarterbacks who made the playoffs since nineteen seventy.
Speaker 11 (17:00):
C J.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Stroud did that last year, Brock perty in twenty twenty two.
How about Skyler Thompson with my Dolphins in twenty twenty two.
Mac Jones did it, Lamar Jackson, Connor Cook with the Raiders,
Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson, RG three, Andrew Luck, TJ. Yates
with the Texans, and some of these they're filling in
for somebody who was injured, Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan,
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Ben Roethlisberger, Sean King, Todd Marinovich, Jim Everett, Peter Brock,
Bernie Kosar, Dan Marino. We're asking Caleb Williams to join
that group. I think he can. Let's bring in Mike Tannenbon,
former front office executive for two NFL teams. You can
find him on Get Up Sports Center, NFL Live throughout
this summer. Good to see you, Mike t. Do you
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think Caleb Williams leads the Bears to the playoffs this year?
Speaker 8 (17:51):
I don't dan, but I think he's gonna have a
great career. And I think we're playing such an enormous
amount of pressure on these young quarterbacks. You know, you
look most at guys like Patrick Mahomes, Jordan Love they
sat and now there are two of the younger, bigger
stars in our league. Obviously Mahomes is the best player.
And I think going back to like you mentioned Sanchez,
(18:12):
like Mark was a meaningful part of what we did
at the Jets, but he was not the leader of
the of the band by any stretch. And I think
these guys are going to hit bumps in the road
and that's just part of development. I look at Caleb
Williams beyond hard knocks stand I just want, like really
worry it's the old coach parcels, Like, let's not put
him in Canton quite yet.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
If you were front office exec with the Bears, would
you have embraced hard knocks to give your team more
you know, publicity exposure nationally, or because because you have
a rookie quarterback, you'd be like, Nope, not this year.
Speaker 8 (18:49):
Yeah, you know, I lived it and the whole world
got to see what a shitty punt returner I am.
So that will live on forever. But look, the bottom
line is, you're the quarterback of the Chicago Bear. You're
like beyond Barack Obama. You must You're the most important
person from the state of Illinois for the foreseeable future,
and that's going to take some time. Like Dan, you know,
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look at you, You're a Hall of Fame broadcaster. You're
a hell of a lot better today than you were
the four years of your career. Like, there's just you
got to put your time in. And if I was
the Bears, I would have kicked and scream and said, hey,
we don't mind doing hard knocks, but not this year.
Let this kid grow, let them develop, let them, you
know again, make some mistakes without the eyes of the
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whole world seeing.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, I think they want the publicity there. And if
Mike was talking about being a kick returner, you can
google that Mike Tannenbaumb returning punts and you don't have
a good laugh there. When you saw the Jalen Waddle deal,
your reaction was smart.
Speaker 8 (19:47):
Good young player, explosive touchdown score. You know that market's
only going up. I'm hard pressed to understand what Minnesota's doing.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Dan.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
The day that Kirk Cousins graduates and goes to the Falcons,
I fly to see Justin uppersonce agent, and I don't
leave the room now getting a deal done, and that
mark you just continues to explode.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Well, I was curious Wattle. It felt like got number
one wide receiver money. And at what point does Tyreek
Hill go, I need to renegotiate here.
Speaker 8 (20:17):
I actually think that's apples and oranges. I think Tyreek
Hill is going to ask for a new deal after
this year. He has no guaranteed money, so I think regardless,
like I think Tyreek Hill's mindset is. I love Wattle,
but he's one A or one B, whatever it is.
I'm the guy here. I'm the best receiver in the NFL,
and I'm gonna wann thirty four to thirty five million
dollars a year, and I'm glad that I have Robin,
(20:37):
but I'm Batman.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Okay. Speaking of Tyreek Hill, we had this discussion earlier today.
Let's say Tyreek Hill and Randy Moss were coming into
the NFL. Now you knew what their talents were, which
one would you take first in today's NFL Randy Moss
or Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
I'm always gonna take Moss just because there's things about
his game that are literally indefensible.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
You know.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
I think with Tyrek Hill, who's a Hall of Famer,
I think you could try to jam him at the
line of scrimmage, you can put somebody over the top.
There's ways to at least slow down speed. But with
Randy Moss, it was kind of like with Gronk for
all those years. Dan like red zone, like you know
what's coming, and literally it's indefensible what he could do
in terms of a high pointing the ball.
Speaker 11 (21:22):
Like.
Speaker 8 (21:22):
So to me, like I would take Moss over Hill.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
But I'm watching when they had hard knocks during the
season with the Dolphins and they just had a camera
on Tyreek Hill. You can't cover him, like even trying
to get him off the line of scrimmage. Mike, it's
I just think he can beat you short long. He's
so quick. He's as fast as Randy Moss, or at
least close to it. I'm guessing now he doesn't have
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the height advantage, but he's not afraid. You know he's
gonna get it, and he can take it eighty yards
and you know the pass can be four yards and
he takes it eighty. It always felt like Randy and look,
he was unbelievable, but he was a home run threat.
I need singles in doubles sometimes too, and it feels
like Tyreek Hill gives me both.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
Yeah, look, I'd love to have either or both on
the team. But again I go back to Randy Moss.
Me is a little bit more like Gronk, Like, no
matter what we did with Gronk, we couldn't defend him,
like just because of the size. And I think Moss's
ability to high point the ball, to me, is what
would separate the two. But again, I'm taking nothing away
from tyer Kill.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
All right, let me go back to the wide receivers here, Jefferson.
I thought they might entertain trading him because if you're
gonna let Kirk Cousins go, now, I got Sam Darnold
and you're gonna get a rookie quarterback in there. Jordan
Addison is, you know, a star in the making as well.
But Justin Jefferson thirty five million dollars a year wide
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receivers that where we're starting out.
Speaker 8 (22:51):
Look, I think that's exactly right, Dan, it's a really
fair point. If we were going to move on from Cousins,
maybe we blow the whole thing up. Take JJ McCarthy
and say, hey, you know, two to three years, we're
gonna be really good and run the Detroit Lion play.
Obviously they did not do that. So again, like I
think they're a little bit half pregnant, which was if
you're gonna keep Jefferson, get the deal done before A j. Brown,
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DeVante Smith, now Jalen Waddell. And by the way, the
big winner and all this me is Jamar Chase c
citing in Cincinnati Daan with his feed up and saying, Hey,
I'm gonna have my LSU teammate do all the heavy lifting,
and I'm just gonna walk in and tell you know,
the Brown family, I need ten percent more than you
know whatever. You know, Justin Jefferson gets and we're good to.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Go, Okay, where do you rank wide receiver on your
priority list as far as who you're paying and how
much you're paying.
Speaker 8 (23:38):
I'm not paying him as much, but for a different reason.
I think the position is super important, but it's also replaceable.
And let me give you a great example if you
and I were running the Cowboys. First of all, I'm
shocked at that's that signed yet, like they've given him
a blank check, but he's going to be there. I'm
gonna pay Micah Parsons before Ceeinge Lamb just because it's
a lot harder to find Micah than it is Cdee Lamb.
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Taking nothing away from Cedee Lamb. But if we were
running a team Dan, we can find a receiver, and
that's why I would consider paying one, not two. And
I think a good example of that is like what
Cincinnati's doing. They're gonna let t Higgins graduate. They drafted
Jermaine Burton the third round and hopefully in a year
he's going to replace Higgins. We saw San Francisco take
two receivers, Jacob Cowey in the fourth they took Ricky
(24:23):
Kersel in the first round. Presumably they'll let you know
either Deebo Samuel or Brandon. Iuko at the end of the.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Year talking to Mike Tan and Bamb ESPN front office insider.
Let me go back to the Cowboys. Are they in
a good situation? If you're the GM of the Cowboys,
how do you feel about this season? With CD, LAMB, Dak,
and Micah Parsons all looking for new contracts.
Speaker 8 (24:44):
They're in a catastrophically terrible situation. Here's why. Dak Prescott's
thirty one years old. He was second in the league
in the MVP, and he has no ability to be franchised.
So Dan, imagine if we were running the Raiders, there's
no price we would pay not to go get Dak
with some other really good pieces there.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
You know.
Speaker 8 (25:03):
Now they have rocked hours DeVante Adams, So it's not
what you think he's worth, it's what he can get
in the market. And without them drafting a quarterback this year. Now, look,
maybe Trey Lance develops, but let's face it, that's a
long shot. You've essentially given him a blank check. I mean,
you have to get him signed. He's in the prime
of his career and there's absolutely nothing you can stop
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him from leaving. At the end of the season.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, and it feels like if they don't get I
just don't know why they're not paying him. If if
Jerry's saying, well, let me see it one more time,
like give me the reason or logic. If you're the
GM and you go to Jerry, why aren't why don't
we have a deal with Dak Yeah.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
I think there is an argument out there, and when
you talk to teams there's a little bit of a
sentiment of would you rather have Gardner Minshew at ten
million dollars a year and versus someone like you know,
Daniel Jones or Kirk Cousins between thirty five and forty
million a year, meaning that be market is one where
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it's say, you have so much of your resources unless
they're like a difference maker, or we better off just
going young, or you know a Marcus Mariot or a
Minshew type. Now to me, daft to me is an
a I know there's some postseason concerns, but he's played
really well and when you talk to people in that building,
his leadership and character is beyond reproach and he has
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a personality that could withstand being you know, basically like
one of the highest profile positions in the sport.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, they keep waiting and the price tag keeps going up.
If I said you can have Jordan Love for the
next five years or Trevor Lawrence the next five years.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
Oh, that's easy for me. It's Jordan Love. I'll put
it to you this way.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
It's easy. That's not easy.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
It's easy. Dan. If we were drafting NFL players, I
think you and I would agree we take Patrick Mahomes
number one. I'm taking Jordan Love number two. I've really
been thinking about this a lot, like who would you
take her for? Jordan Love in terms of youth ability,
and I think his future is limitless. And while I
think Trevor Lawrence has a ability, you know, at some point,
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you know, this is the old Belichick like you should
show greatness. And I think what we've seen with Trevor
Lawrence is being shown being good B plus. But we've
seen Jordan Love in one year show greatness. He was arguably,
over the last half of the season, arguably the best
quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
So if we're having a quarterback draft, you're taking Mahomes
and then you're taking Jordan left.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
One hundred percent. And I'm not even thinking about it.
You can have anybody else, but you give me Jordan Love.
I'm set for the next decade. High character, great ability
been fully baked and developed, and I'm not looking back.
And by the way that team is loaded with young
skill players, I'm hard pressed to think that they're not
going to be right back where they were a year ago,
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deep in.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
The NFC playoffs.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Look at you, Look at you. Mike Greenberg's probably crying
right now because you're saying this on my show and
not on Get Up or First Take with Steven A.
ESPN's going to go, Hey, Mike, t easy there. Save
the hot stuff for our shows.
Speaker 8 (28:15):
We'll get to that once the NBA files are over.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
I'm sure new kickoff rules this year, do you draft differently?
Like what's the strategy from a front office executive with
the new kickoff rules?
Speaker 8 (28:28):
Yeah, it already impacted the draft, you know, talk to
a lot of teams about it. What's really interesting, Dan,
and again none of us know, but based on the
limited information we have from like the XFL and others,
you're looking at a little bit of a different body type.
It's really interesting. So for example, like we talked about
Tyreek Hill, the people that are there gravitate gravitating to
is someone like Cordrell Patterson, someone a little bit bigger, sturdier,
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because I think what you're going to be seeing is
someone that has to break a tackle before you get
into space. And look, that's the speculation, but I'm not
saying it's gonna be him, but someone like a Deebo
sand or someone that's really physical, because this rule is
designed to have physicality in a small space so you
don't have that high speed impact. And I think if
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we're sitting here around Halloween and talking about player X
leading the league and kickoff returns, I think it's gonna
be somebody that has the ability to break tackles.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Would you have Tyreek Hill go back if you're the
Dolphins if the.
Speaker 8 (29:24):
Game was on the line. I want the ball in
his hands one hundred percent of the time. But I
also have to be smart to know that it's a
seventeen game season, and let's face it, if it's Week
four and more on the road against an NFC team,
I'm not doing that. And I think, you know, we
got to remember. I know he's not a quarterback, but
last year, sixty six quarterbacks started a game and the
health of your frontline players.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Matter, great stuff. People in Green Bay love you.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
Yeah, they'll they'll buy me a beer next time in
the town. So I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Dan, Thank you.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
Mike.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
That's Mike Tannebaum, ESPN Front Office Segue executive and he
speaks from experience. He was a GM for a couple
of teams there. How about that with Jordan Love? Okay?
And he said, oh, it's easy. When I said if
you were taking Trevor Lawrence Jordan Love, and he goes,
it's easy, I thought, well, he's going to say Trevor
Lawrence all of a sudden, Jordan Love. I go ooh, okay,
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that's that's a one year performance from Jordan Love. It's
one of those where you go and this is why
I think that Green Bay wanted to move on from
Aaron Rodgers a year earlier. Is eventually you know what
you have. It's just like when they moved on from
Brett fav they could see what they had with Aaron
Rodgers and then you're like, oh gosh, you know Kansas City,
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you know you had a you know, a situation where
you go, okay, Alex is going to take us so far.
Look at that guy when Justin Herbert went to the
Chargers and you saw him during training camp, and then
you go, oh my gosh, Okay, that guy's going to
be your The players see it before everybody else does.
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But Jordan Love is the second quarterback off the board
with everybody in there, Joe Burrow, mar Jackson. Wow, all right,
you're welcome Green Bay. You're welcome, Wisconsin. Let me get
a couple of phone calls in here, Sean and Oregon. Hi, Sean,
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what's on your mind today?
Speaker 12 (31:28):
Hey, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 11 (31:29):
Dan.
Speaker 12 (31:30):
I heard you talking about the Bears earlier and you
said you have seven wins and they're pretty good team.
I mean, I doesn't even go together.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
I mean, they not be.
Speaker 12 (31:40):
One of the worst teams. But America doesn't believe in
the Bears, and we're not so sure that Caleb Williams
won't even be a bus with those guys, and we're
just not believers.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
Brother.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Okay, look, I'm not a Bears fan. I'm just telling
you what I think, and I think that with seven wins.
The reason why I say that they're, you know, a
respectable team with seven wins is normally you have the
number one pick, you had two or three wins, so
they're already ahead of the game. They got the number
one pick. They also got a number one wide receiver
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in one of the greatest fleecing that we've seen in
NFL history with a trade, and you got Caleb Williams.
And no, I don't know if he's going to be successful,
but I am. I'm assuming he's going to be respectable
his first year. You got some talent there. It's great
to have an offensive line, some consistency with the head
coach or offensive coordinator, which hopefully he gets, and you know,
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you could be an eight or nine win team.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Yeah, the Bears had seven wins last season. Yeah, that
didn't feel like a respectable season.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Well for the for the team with the first pick. Overall,
how many seven win you know teams like that get.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
You know, I have them as seven and ten last year,
three and fourteen, the year before, six and eleven, eight
and eight, eight and eight. In twenty eighteen they were
twelve and four. Man, does that feel like a lifetime?
It was a long time? Holy smokes.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
All right, I'm just on. I'm on the Bears bandwagon,
and I can say that I haven't been on the
Bears bandwagon since Jim McMahon was there.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
I feel like Kayleb Williams has to start at eight
wins plus. That's a disappointment if he doesn't get to
eight wins. If you're matching what Justin Fields did or CJ.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Stroud? Are the Bears as good as the Texans were
going into last season?
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Well, like if PFF grated the roster, Yes, we could
check that.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, because nobody had the Texans doing anything. You had
a rookie coach and a rookie quarterback and you didn't
know anybody on that team.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Well, the Texans were three thirteen and one when they
drafted CJ. Stroud and then the next year, how's he?
Speaker 4 (34:00):
In the playoffs? The Bears had four more wins.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
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Roll the Timberwolf says, Luca goes for thirty six, including
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twenty in the first quarter. Kyrie with thirty six as well.
We have to wait a week before the start of
the NBA Finals and this was just a portion of
Luca's performance in the first quarter. Fourteen for Luca.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
Is going on here.
Speaker 7 (34:54):
He is on Monday night Oke Delay Anderson controlled by
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Speaker 6 (35:07):
He has over.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Fired twenty points. That's Kevin Harlan and Reggie Miller with
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(35:29):
now it's John Sally, good buddy of the show. Let
me give the proper introduction. First player in NBA history
to win a championship with three different franchises, as well
as the first player in the NBA to win a
championship in three different decades. John Sally back on the program.
Look at the that's a young Michael Jordan T shirt
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you got on there.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
That's right, Well go teeth man. Even going back to.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
It, yeah, but you didn't have that when you were
with the Pistons. You wouldn't be wearing a Michael Jordan
T shirt back then.
Speaker 11 (36:00):
It is so funny then, and hey, thanks for having
me on the show. Long time listener, second time appearance.
What I was I would hang with MJ. So I
was doing my first late night talk show. I was
doing it during the season in nineteen eighty eight because
(36:20):
I thought I was setting it up for my future,
which I was my second year player. But I would
hang out with MJ. He would come into Detroit, I'd
pick him up. We would go eat, you know, in Chicago.
He couldn't really do anything and hang. But I always
been around money. I loved it still to this day.
(36:40):
I loved to death. But you know, my teammates after
my first season made sure, Hey, if they're not wearing
our colors.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
They're not our gang. And so it took me a
second to learn it.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
But did you catch heat from Isaiah or lame Beer
or anybody else that you were hanging with Mike.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
No, because they didn't. I didn't let him know.
Speaker 11 (36:59):
I was hanging with Mike one time, right my first Thanksgiving,
thirst Thanksgiving in the Pros. Right around that time, we're
playing against the Hawk and Kevin Willis comes in town.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
He from the d where everybody go over to his
mama's house. I show up. I then drive them back
to that hotel.
Speaker 11 (37:16):
They beat the living out of me the next day,
and Bill Amber says, they're not your friends anymore. We are,
and I never forgot it. So I learned how to
separate friendship and being a Viking. I learned how our
raider better put.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
But if you look at the image the persona personality
of the bad Boys, was it more Isaiah or more
lame Beer? Wooh?
Speaker 6 (37:45):
It was these two together.
Speaker 11 (37:46):
I know it sounds crazy, but that's why they were
all two captains. They led just like that. It was
a well oiled machine. We knew the hierarchy, we knew
how it worked. We had these two generals, and then
we had this really quiet secretary named Joe Dubars, And
then we had this unbelievable sniper coming off the bench
(38:06):
named Vinnie Johnson, and then we had our grunt our grunts.
It was me, it was Dennis, it was Rick Mahorn,
it was James Edwards, Marc Gui was came in and
with special units. I mean we literally rant it like that.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
But if you look back on the players that you
played with or against, you got Isaiah, Yeah, Kobe, yeah,
Mike Yeah. So if we're gonna okay, we're gonna rank those,
I'm gonna give you the first pick in the draft.
You can have Zeke, Mike, Shaq, Kobe, anybody else you
(38:44):
want to throw in there.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (38:48):
So the first player I would draft would be out
of North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Okay.
Speaker 11 (38:53):
The next person would be Isaiah Thomas, and then I
would get Shaquille o' neil. And then I would do
it Jerry West did, and I would find this kid
in high school who has the potential to be.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
I'm telling you I would.
Speaker 11 (39:07):
Isaiah is the toughest guy, one of the toughest guys
I ever played with. He's maybe six to one, and
he can do it all and he had to.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
He he's underrated. John, I think, oh, he's way under yeah. Really,
And I think attitude, Yeah, I think attitude. Uh, the
way you guys played. You know, maybe it turned people
off with embracing him, but he wasn't afraid of a
big moment. Whether it's with Bob Knight in Indiana or
certainly with you guys.
Speaker 6 (39:36):
It didn't turn people off in Detroit.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
No, no, you guys love that, but elsewhere it's weird.
Though we embraced Michael around the league, you guys were
never embraced around the league. We embraced Larry around the league,
We embraced Magic around the league. Never embrace the bad boys.
Speaker 6 (39:55):
You know why.
Speaker 11 (39:57):
Because the manuscript or on, you know, it was magic
and Bird and magic and Bird, and then all of
a sudden, first it was, hey, how do we get
out of this doctor j situation?
Speaker 6 (40:08):
And they have magic?
Speaker 11 (40:10):
And then then it's magic and bird and it's the
Celtics versus the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
Let's get that going.
Speaker 11 (40:16):
And then when they put the Messiah in Chicago, they
thought it was going to be this guy handing off
to this He's going to be the next run. But
as Mitch Album, the great writer, put this little team
in the middle of the country, out of the city
that no one was paying attention to.
Speaker 6 (40:36):
Messed up the picture.
Speaker 11 (40:37):
So the picture at one time looked like Van Go
and then when we got there it looked like Basquiat.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
A good reference there, reference, good reference. We're talking to
John Sally, the former bad Boy won four NBA titles.
Best player in the world today is.
Speaker 11 (40:53):
Who might be Joker? But Luca last night changed everything.
When I said, you know, I didn't know you don't
know that much about people. When I went to Europe,
I was amazed. And then playing with Tony Kukos let
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me go through this. Remember Tony, just like Isaiah was
not is not recognized as he should be. Tony Kukos
is one of the greatest players that ever played this game,
but because he was in Chicago, we don't we didn't
get to see it. We get to see it if
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you go back and start paying attention. It's amazing. And
watching Luca reminds me of Tony Kuko. Yeah, man, Luke
Tony left handed too. I mean he was doing things
trying to, you know, make every make feel happy, make
everybody else happy.
Speaker 6 (41:52):
But if it.
Speaker 11 (41:52):
Would have just been left up to Luca, I mean
left up to Tony, I mean he was I'm telling you, man,
the guy is an unbelievable player and doesn't get the
credit he deserves because of the Jerry Krouse and this
is Jerry Krouse's boy type thing. It wasn't it wasn't
understanding the genius of Jerry Rowse putting it together. It
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was it was always trying to bring this kid in
and get get out of our way, get past us.
But watching Luca last night, just thinking about it, I
didn't know his father was a pro basketball play in Europe.
I didn't know he started playing pro at seventeen. You know,
Tony Parker started playing in France at fifteen. And we
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complain about guys who co man that guy should go
to college. We don't even realize, No, that guy should
go to work. And that's exactly what Luca's dad did,
exactly what Tony Parker's father did. It's exactly what Jelly
Bean did with Kobe. Those guys were at work fifteen, sixteen, seventeen.
Speaker 6 (42:56):
Ready to do a man's job in the league.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah, And Paul George talked about this on a podcast
recently of we have today's players in the United States
playing AAU and all that is is I mean, there's
not a lot of structure to it. It's AAU ball.
Whereas these basketball players in Europe are going to basketball academies,
you know, this is what they have with soccer. Therefore,
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they're playing professionally and they start at fifteen and they're
learning how to dribble, how to everybody does, whether you're
a big man or your guard. Everybody's learning footwork fundamentals.
Whereas our players are just out there playing, you know,
in this AAU team and then that AAU team, and
so you know, lacking the structure that soccer players in
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Europe get, basketball players in Europe get.
Speaker 11 (43:46):
Yeah, like even in Brazil, right you can see when
you watching them play soccer. You know a player from
Brazil and you know a player from Mid Africa.
Speaker 6 (43:57):
You can tell that cadence and the way the dribbled
the ball with their feet.
Speaker 11 (44:02):
And when I went to play over in Europe, I
played for Paratha Nikos in Greece for about six weeks.
It was a different mentality. It was seven teams in
the city of Athens. Olympic Nakos was our biggest rival rivalry.
And I'm telling you seven teams in one city of Athens,
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seven around surrounding and there's a newspaper just on sports.
There's a newspaper for news, right then there's the political talk.
But then it's just on sports. And I'm thinking, oh, yeah,
this is fun. I'm going to go here and go there.
Speaker 6 (44:41):
Man.
Speaker 11 (44:41):
I went places in my They said, hey, it got
this nice BMW for it, and it had this logo
in the back. I had to find out where I
can get gased because it said Parathan Nikos. I pull
in one place. They would do it like this, you
better find a game station. Everybody was so intense on
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how it is. And you really look at Giannis the
artist moves to but has grown as born or grown
in reared in Greece. Look at his ability to play basketball.
If you watch his movie You Got a great movie
on Disney Plus, you will see how those coaches are
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serious about the fundamental movie. The problem is American artist.
American kids have always come from the dust. Elvis Presley,
James Brown. You just find it, you use natural ability,
you get to it. Those guys are taught it and
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then they put that they put their twist on it.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
You can have joker or Shack.
Speaker 6 (45:53):
Skill.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
He at least gave a little pause there.
Speaker 11 (46:00):
Joker is one of the best on my podcast. Oh,
I got a new podcast too, you know, I'm not
as big as you, with four hundred thousand affiliates associates
throughout the country on radio.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
It's called the John Sally Podcast. Yeah, really creative with
the title there.
Speaker 11 (46:17):
John No, no, no, it's called TFU. It's it's called
tf you you guys, go and figure out what that means,
because we're you know, we're on a company on this joint.
Speaker 6 (46:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (46:31):
I had the John Sally Podcast because I couldn't think
of a different name. I was thinking, who has a
great show? Oh, Dann Patrick show, John Sally Show. Hey,
I'm not too far off.
Speaker 6 (46:42):
You know.
Speaker 11 (46:44):
The reason I hesitate it is because Joker plays bully ball,
is always balanced, does not miss a pass, and by
the end of the game you realize he has given
you twenty twenty and twenty.
Speaker 6 (47:02):
That's that's that's why I like joking.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
I'm gonna give you Larry Bird and his prime or
Lebron in his prime, libird. That's a quick answer.
Speaker 6 (47:15):
Do you do you remember? I know I have nightmares?
Do you do you have night I.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
I yes, I was there in the eighties. Yes, I
was there too. I was there covering well, we were
I was covering the Celtics. You were trying to cover
the Celtics. Uh, you know.
Speaker 6 (47:35):
And and and Larry loved me, man.
Speaker 11 (47:37):
Larry was so cool with me because you know, I me, Lenny,
Mike Brown, we would you know, read all Back would
have us come play and.
Speaker 6 (47:45):
There their camp.
Speaker 11 (47:48):
When when read all Back was bringing in guys some country,
I said, you were playing where Sylvania?
Speaker 6 (47:55):
No, So it was like he's.
Speaker 11 (47:57):
Bringing in these grown, grown men who were like, I
want this job. And we were playing every night, Kevin
McHale and I was like, oh, they don't even know
how much I'm a Celtic fan. They have no idea.
But I played it cool. But then Larry would man.
I remember at the end of the game. I had
never seen this. Larry had more ice on, but he
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looked like an Eskimo, like it was like this, and
he would talk to you ice everywhere and then come
out to it because he had ice his knees, ice
his ankles, ICE's shoulder, ice on his back, ice on
his neck, and he'd be sitting in that locker room
just covered in ice.
Speaker 6 (48:36):
And then the game.
Speaker 11 (48:37):
Then the next day he would come in as if
he was not hurting. And and just the thing that
reminds me of Larry that I saw last night is
the way Luca shoots the ball that whole right here
behind your head, and it's here the whole time, and
it's the follow through and it finds the rim every
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every time.
Speaker 6 (49:01):
That was a crazy thing when I watched that last night.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Did you guard bird?
Speaker 6 (49:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Okay, successfully.
Speaker 6 (49:13):
Did I got him?
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Yes, but no, this is but if he liked you,
he did probably didn't talk trash to you.
Speaker 6 (49:21):
Oh, he talked it all the time.
Speaker 11 (49:23):
He was constantly, constantly talking like it was a trip
that even I looked at the video when Dennis Ramins
leg gets caught in his neck and Bill and Bed
he goes down and he's punching Bill. The first person
I went to grab was Larry to pull him off,
and then DJ grabs me.
Speaker 6 (49:42):
I said, I'm trying to get him off.
Speaker 11 (49:44):
Of and then we get out the way and I
mind my business because you know, at that time, I'm
totally not understanding everything.
Speaker 6 (49:53):
But Larry was.
Speaker 11 (49:54):
Yeah, he would talk and he would say, Sally better
ask for a double team, bro, you know.
Speaker 6 (50:00):
And there's.
Speaker 11 (50:03):
I was like, when are you going to keep letting
these when you're gonna let these people know you're a
black guy from Indiana, when you're gonna do that, stop
this whiteness, what do you do it?
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah? But then he would have been just another black player,
according dude, does Rodman whoa callback? Or Isaiah?
Speaker 6 (50:19):
Go back?
Speaker 7 (50:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (50:21):
Go back?
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Justine wasn't so wrong?
Speaker 6 (50:23):
Was it so wrong?
Speaker 2 (50:25):
So Bird was just another black player if he was
if he was black?
Speaker 11 (50:30):
Uh, I remember when that happened, right, I was there.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
I was there, and I was like, oh my god.
That was a hot topic though John at the time.
Speaker 6 (50:43):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 11 (50:44):
It was a young rookie saying saying things, Uh, not understanding.
Speaker 6 (50:51):
Hey, they do the same thing. It's it's not our ful.
Racism is your fault. No, it's it's always been.
Speaker 11 (51:03):
They did movies about it, The Great White Hole, But
it's always been when somebody's exceptional, then they go to
their skin color and whatever skin he's in, that race
takes him is like, that's our champion. You know, we
did it. We did it with Tiger Wood. Tiger Wood, because.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
You didn't do that with VJ. Singh though, but you
did that with Tiger Woods.
Speaker 6 (51:30):
VJ.
Speaker 11 (51:30):
Sing was like, hey man, what kind of brother are you?
From South India.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
He's got a podcast. It's called the John Sally Podcast. No,
it's called t F you okay, it's called t F
U f R. You'll figure it out with John Sally. Yes,
wherever D and Josh and you can.
Speaker 11 (51:52):
You can check us out pretty soon after Dan gives
me the hookup at Peacock.
Speaker 6 (51:56):
Will be on Peacock.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Okay, all right, we'll see I'll talk to people. No people,
It's great to see you, John, Thanks for joining always
and thank you all right. So John selling four time
NBA champ g F you do you know what that means? Marvin?
Speaker 6 (52:13):
I think I do.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Okay, I'll tell you off, Mike, that's what I thought. Yes,
t Is that why we couldn't say it because we
were told to ask me about the John Sally podcast.
Speaker 7 (52:20):
Is that like language?
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (52:21):
Reasons?
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Yes, what do you think?
Speaker 4 (52:24):
I guess if you always have curse words involved? Yes,
it's not technical foul and then some of it.
Speaker 5 (52:30):
We're gonna take a break technical foul university. Yes, we're
going to take a break.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
We're going to take a break because coming up, you
didn't ask for it, but you're going to get it.
Rhyme time, Yeah, rime time.
Speaker 8 (52:44):
No one asked for for sure.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
No, but I'm glad we have it and we're gonna
have that.
Speaker 6 (52:48):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (52:48):
Actually one person asked for it.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
God.
Speaker 6 (52:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (52:50):
The guy who wrote it. He's like, hey, I got
rhyme Time, if you want to do it. It's first thing,
first thing when I walk in today, I have to
sell it enthusiastic. Hey, guess what Yeah,
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