June 5, 2024 • 47 mins
On today's Dan Patrick Show, DP and the guys start the show with a left-turn topic: how long should a concert go? Former NFL OL Ross Tucker explains his confusion with what the Cowboys have done this offseason. Former NBA F Channing Frye explains why he would be fine with his team drafting Bronny James if he were still in the NBA.
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Day forthcoming. We'll get into sports here coming up in
a moment. But as I always do, I start out
my morning talking about Taylor Swift and I was mentioning
to the dan Ets did a concert in Europe where
I think it was three and a half hours long.
I think it might have been in the rain three
and a half hours, and I was thinking, at what
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point is a concert too long?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Now?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I went to an Elvis Constello concert that was last
year in New York, and while I wanted to see
Elvis Constello, I got to see a little too much
of Elvis Constello. So it was over three hours and
it was a little too long. Now. That might have
had something to do with these seats that I was in,
because they were built for somebody, probably back in the
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nineteen twenties, and my wife and I had to squeeze
into the seats, and it was a little it was
a little too long, a little too long. I've been
to a Springsteen show where I go getting up there
close to eleven. We've been going strong for over three hours,
and I got to drive back. Would you rather have
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a concert too long or too short? Too long or
too short? I'll start with you.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Too short if they play all the hits?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Okay, okay, now we have an asterisk by this, Okay,
seaton too long, too short concert.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
I'm trying to think band by band.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Genre.
Speaker 6 (02:17):
Yeah, some bands I might be like, no, this is
to I think too short, because there's definitely been times
like a Springsteen concert I went to I was every
single song was a hit, and I was like, damn, man,
this is three plus hours.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Now, this can end anytime.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
I once went to go see this band called the
Mars Volta and they played for seemingly like two and
a half hours, but they only played about five songs.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
Their songs were just that long, yes, and.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
I was like, oh my god, there were ties they
were forty five minutes into and I was like, this
is still the same song.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Holy crap.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
How many times are they playing this one song?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Well, that'd be a Phish concert as well.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I mean they're great, they're very very good.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
They're an unbelieved but it's at the same time it's like,
good god, man, uh.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Todd too short, too long.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I'd rather go to.
Speaker 7 (02:59):
A cotcher that's more on the longer side. Okay, feel
like I got my money's worth it. If I like
them that much and it took the time to go,
it shouldn't bother me that much that it's going.
Speaker 8 (03:06):
Wrong, all right, Paulie, it's too short, like an hour
and fifteen minutes.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
Probably it is a good question because it's too short,
like thirty minutes, that's it.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I would say, what we can do the over under
and an hour fifteen or what about forty five minutes three?
And that's too short?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Too short?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, I would say an hour fifteen or three or
three or three Okay, we can do an hour fifteen
or hour fifteen.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
Yeah, yes to The content needs to be longer than
the time it took to get there. I think that
has to be factor it. Also, if it took me
an hour to get there and you're playing for forty minutes, like.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
What, okay, three and a half hours is a commitment?
That is I mean it really is like you're you're
putting in a half a day's work to go see
that show. Now, given what it costs to go see
Taylor Swift, you're probably gonna go. All right, let me
itemize this with a song, you know, per minute or whatever.
Speaker 8 (04:00):
Yes, Paul, I'm gonna go along because then you see everything.
The only problem is if you leave at the two
forty five mark, you're probably missing the best songs in
the last half hour.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
That's true.
Speaker 8 (04:11):
I look at Taylor Swift websites all the time. By
the way, her normal concerts are three hours and fifteen minutes.
Occasionally on this tour, I've got time of every concert
they've gone up to three hours and forty five minutes
if she has special guests, you know, or some cover songs.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
If you're playing the hits, you know you're not gonna
hear a couple of the hits. If you don't stay
around for the encore, you got to roll the dice there,
like what song are they? And if you can get
the set list ahead of time, then you're going to go,
oh god, let me strategize here, do you guys?
Speaker 9 (04:43):
Ever?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
You know, Hoody and the Blowfish is out on tour now,
so I went to see what they did when they
were in Dallas, just to see the set list there. Now,
I'm not gonna leave early with a Hoody and the
Blowfish concert, because I'll hang with the guys afterwards and
tell them how great they were. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
You know.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Part of it too, though, is if you're paying like
Taylor Swift concert tickets right now are like crazy expensive.
They're like two twenty five hundred bucks apiece or something.
It's if you're going to do that, I'm gonna need
it to be about four hours long. I'm gonna need
it to be three years worth of concerts. If I'm
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paying one thousand, two thousand plus, If I'm paying five
hundred dollars for a ticket, I'm gonna need it to
be a good two hours and thirty minutes.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So it's gonna be around Is it six hundred dollars
per hour? When you're watching Taylor Swift? Like if you
itemized it, if you're watching what you paid and how
long they're going to play. I've never done that before,
but you know, come to think of it, if you're
going to go see one of these bands, or you
know an artist and they're going to be charging you,
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or the secondary market it's gonna be charging you, then
you're gonna be like, I don't know if I got
my six hundred and fifty dollars worth first hour.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Yeah, I'm looking at a popular ticket website selling website.
This is for her concert October eighteenth, Friday, seven pm,
Hard Rock Stadium, Miami, Florida. The cheapest ticket I could
find is twenty two hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
But that's that's each secondary market.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Yeah, it sounds like flubschlub.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Oh is that ticket? I don't know what you're referring to.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
It sounds like flubschlublub.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
That's the only place I go.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Yeah, that's each.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
So if you're going to take your one daughter by herself,
no friends, just you and your daughter.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah, that's whoever. Now that's where you can't go. Hey,
can I bring Sally and Tina and Tarrett? No? No,
it's just you and me. Okay, gonna cost five thousand
dollars to go see her just for the.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Two of you. That's not parking. This about a T
shirt that's not.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
And those T shirts where you go that T shirt's
one hundred dollars. And I'm like, I don't think I
needed Neil Young T shirt? Like I'm good. Yeah, Marv.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Do you know how bad it was when I asked
my mom for eighteen dollars MC hammer shirt?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Marvin? Are you crazy? But she did?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Anyway, I got a I'm you know, I'm going to
my mom's house tonight. I'm going to try to see
if I can bring it tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Oh, now you're gonna be able to wear it?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
No?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
No, I was eight.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
If I was eighteen, I still couldn't fit into it.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Okayhma don't hurt him to her.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Uh No, it's a too legiti court see boys to man.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Oh okay, dude, that is he went on for.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Me about an hour thirty. I want to say, okay,
I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
So it's similar to going to the movies.
Speaker 8 (07:42):
If you see a ninety minute movie, maybe hour forty five,
it's standard. But some of those movies, like I don't know,
it's like Dunkirk or something, it was an easy three
hour yeah, and you're like, what's going on here? Getting
a little stiff?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, yeah, but at least there's if you can move
around when you go to it uncerted.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
You know, when I go to the theater, I'm just
sitting there like I've done that before, where you just
look at your watch. You go and it's been two
hours and ten minutes, and then you go, how long
is this movie? Then you realize, you know, it's to
forty seven. Yes, Toddy.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
If you're able to get tickets where there's no work
or school the next day, that certainly makes it a
lot easier.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
We don't have to keep worrying about your watch.
Speaker 9 (08:23):
I'm not going to get home till one in the morning.
And I got to get up at six.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Yeah, you can go like on a Friday night, Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
It doesn't always work out, yes, Mark, How long was
Billy Joel.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Just?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I think over two hours kind of sounds like a
perfect time, but it was, you know, the time was
just right, and he played all the hits and you know,
stayed for the encore, stayed till the very end. But
it was I think a little over two hours. It
didn't see I don't even realize how long it was,
but it didn't feel like it was a long concert.
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But you know, it helps when they play hit like
he got hit after. You have to be really good
to be able to play three and a half hours.
If you're Taylor Swift, you have to have a lot
of hits if you're going to play for three and
a half hours. So not many people have that opportunity
to go and and here's another one of my number
one hits.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
She definitely does.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
She got a lot of them, yes, mar.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
And the difference, the difference between Billy Joel and a
lot of the legendary artists is that he hasn't released
new music in thirty years, so all he has is
the hits yeah, and it's hard when you want to
go see bon Jovi or the Rolling Stones or whoever,
and they're like, hey, this is something off our all
of our latest album boo.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
They're living on a prayer.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
That's where the issue comes in for those legendary groups.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Well, the Stones have a new album out and they're
on tour, but they still play all the hits. And
you know, I talked to somebody who just saw them
recently and they said they were great. You know, Jagger's
still running around. He's, you know, like a marathon runner
up there. He said. The funny part is Keith Richards.
Sometimes you'll just sit down and play his guitar. Like
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the fact that Keith is still alive at eighty pretty good.
I had the under But you know when you see
the Stones, they have so many hits and then you're like,
all right, oh, okay, that one, okay, that one, so yes, Paul.
Speaker 8 (10:11):
I think a long concert is kind of like a
college football game. You get there early. You want to
be there early to tailgate the longer the game. Like
college football games when they go four hours. It never
bothers me when I'm at them. I never go oh,
I got to run out of here.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
But why do we look at baseball games and have
a problem with baseball games like how long they go?
But I don't know if people go, man, this football
game is taking forever. Wait, but a baseball game, you're like,
we got to get this done in less than two hours,
no matter what the end result is. It feels like
they got to speed this game.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
Uh yeah, because football games every you know, thirty seconds
or so, you have ten interesting seconds and then you
wait and then wow, this seven seconds is good.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Okay, let's waitit.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
Oh wow, that was really interesting, and then oh wow,
that was interesting.
Speaker 9 (10:54):
You know.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
That's why baseball's and not like that. You might have
a whole forty five minutes of nothing happening.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, but that's the beauty of it. It's timeless. Sorry,
but Bob Costas just got into my ear. Yes, Tom, I.
Speaker 7 (11:08):
Think if you're engaged and it's compelling and you know
the words and you're singing and dancing along, whether it's
Taylor Swift or Billy joelor whatever, that's what makes the
time go faster.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
You just said it didn't.
Speaker 7 (11:17):
Feel like two two and a half hours because you
obviously liked all the songs and knew all the words
and it brought back memories.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Maybe, but nobody ever says, guy, this football game is
taken forever. They don't baseball, yes, even basketball. What did
we say about the last two minutes? Oh god, it
took a half hour. Even if it's a dramatic ending,
It took forever those last two minutes, yes, Paul.
Speaker 8 (11:38):
And college football, you could tailgate afterwards. A lot of
people tailgate afterwards. They get a few more in. You
you kind of wrap.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
It up that.
Speaker 8 (11:45):
I think that's why nobody leaves college football. Early pro football,
you'll see some people bail if it's a blowout. College
football doesn't go that way. They don't watch you tailgate
after the game that much in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
All right, So that was the conversation prior to the
start of the show. We have things to talk about here, Yes.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
You have. The worst is too.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
It's like when you go see a band that's been
around a long time and they're releasing their like seventeenth
album and you're like, oh, they're experimenting with dubstep, Like
that's not that's not what we want out of the
Rolling Stones. Don't be modern, don't whatever what's a new
This kind of has a trap beat to it.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Oh, that's fun.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Hey, everybody doing everybody's doing country now, and we got
a couple of country songs here we like to play
for you.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
We don't.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
You don't have to don't.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Do a song with Travis Scott. No, don't don't do
a song with him.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
No, no, we don't need to do that. What's the
poll question today?
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Well, we're definitely starting with would you rather a concert
be too long or short?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (12:41):
That is sure going.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's see do I
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Speaker 5 (13:06):
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you back there, Christaps. All right, we'll take a break.
Operator Tyler sitting by taking your phone calls. We'll get
to those. Our good buddy Ross Tucker will join us.
I told you Tyreek Hill, once he saw what was
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happening with their contracts, was going to ask to to
go renegotiate his contract, and that's exactly what's going on.
Also to a tongue of yalloa, if you're gonna do
a double take when you see him, if you haven't
seen him in the off season, he looks like a
different person and he's gonna be paid differently as well.
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Twitter handle a DP show Ross Tucker Westwood one, CBS Sports,
NFL college football analyst and host of the Ross Tucker
Football Podcast. All right, a couple of things to talk
about here. I want to talk about Larry Ewn, former
(15:53):
teammate of years, and I also want to talk about
what's going on with the wide receivers right now because
US and Jefferson got paid CD. Lamb's not at training camp,
and I'm thinking he kind of knows what his window
is here, at least Jerry Jones would know. Shouldn't that
deal get done if they do want to pay Cede Lamb.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Dan, I'm at a loss for what the Dallas Cowboys
are doing from a contract standpoint. I really don't understand it,
you know, as you know I do the Eagles preseason games,
and the Eagles philosophy is, as soon as you identify
a player as being a core player that you want
to have around for a long time, sign him and
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extend him then because the price is only going to
go up. Meanwhile, Dan, the Cowboys' three best most important
players right now, Dak Prescott, Ceedee Lamb, Micah Parsons all
have contract issues. None of them are happy with their
contractual situations. I've heard where Jerry Jones has said he
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he wants a few more hands to be played, which
I think is insulting. I mean, on the one hand,
you can say what he wants to see how Dak
or Ceede Lamb or Michah Parsons plays, Maybe they're a
chance they could suffer some type of catastrophic injury. But
when I hear Jerry Jones say he wants to see
some more hands be played before he gives them the
(17:20):
big contracts, two thoughts. One is I think it's really
insulting to those guys. I mean, you're Ceedee Lamb, Michaeh Parsons,
Dak Prescott, and Jerry Jones hasn't seen enough to this
point to identify you as the guy he wants to
have around. And then the other thing is the reason
why the Cowboys are in this position and will continue
to be in this position. They're gonna have to pay
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all three of those guys now at the top of
the market. Michael Parsons isn't taking less. He already said it.
He wants to be the highest paid non quarterback. Ceedee Lamb,
I'm sure thinks he's as good as Jefferson. And we'll
get that money, and Dak has crazy leverage over them
because of his salary cat number. As you know, Dan,
it's the most well endowed, it's the most valuable franchise
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in all of pro sports. They could easily a year
ago have given these guys huge signing bonuses, spread it
out to get that salary cap proration. I really don't
understand it at all.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, unless he's Jerry is kind of betting on one
of those guys is not going to live up to
expectations this upcoming, Like it's just weird. You're almost hoping
they don't outperform what their contract is going to call for,
which is crazy. You want Micaeh Parsons to be Defensive
Player of the Year, you want Ceedee Lamb to have
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one hundred and twenty catches and twelve touchdowns, and you
want Dak to be in the MVP race. That's going
to cost you even more because you're on the clock.
So it's almost as if Jerry said, well, what if
they underachieved, maybe I don't have to pay him as much,
or I let one of them walk.
Speaker 9 (18:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
And the thing that to your point, which I think
is really interesting, is that I guess I sit here
sometimes and I think, do they just want to pay
him as late as possible? Is it just a cash thing?
Because you're right, it's almost on some level like they're
rooting for that to happen. I don't think that that's
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the case.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
You're delaying the inevitable.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
It feels like a thousand percent. And I think Dan
that Jerry Jones wants these players and their agents to
give a discount because they play for the Cowboys, meaning
all of the primetime games, all of the off the
field opportunities. You see dak on, all these commercials. Mike
(19:40):
has got all this stuff going with bleacher Report and
all these things. I think he won. And maybe there
was a time where players did that because there was
such a difference between being a Cincinnati Bengal on a
Dallas Cowboy or a Jacksonville Jaguar in a Dallas Cowboy.
I think with social media and with the Internet, I
don't think think that's as much of a difference as
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it used to be. And I don't think any of
these players are buying the notion of taking less to
play for the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
They moved on from Amari Cooper a couple of years ago,
when you know he wanted big money there, so I
don't know if Jerry's willing to do that. We're talking
to Ross Tucker, our good buddy. You got to have
a brief pit stop with the Cowboys. Larry Allen was there, Like,
can you give people a sense of the aura of
(20:29):
Larry Allen with the Cowboys?
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah? Well, it's crazy because it was only my second year.
It was two thousand and two and I got cut
by Washington. I got claimed off of waivers the next
day by the Cowboys in Park because Larry was hurt.
I went there and this is a guy, Dan, you know,
I'm twenty three years old. I had watched Larry the
whole time I was in high school, the whole time
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I was in college. And now I'm out there and
he can't play, so I have to place him. So
at least the first game, maybe the first couple games, Dan,
he was still trying to practice, so he was still
listed as questionable. So I'm starting at left guard for
the Dallas Cowboys in place of the injured Larry Allen
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those first couple games. Dan, you have never seen guys
so happy to see me in your whole life.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
On the other team.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, the D lineman, the D line. I came out
of the huddle, and all those guys for the Colts,
certainly Henderson and Stroud for the Jaguars, they're like, oh,
thank god, Oh thank god, it's this guy. I mean,
it's not a good sign when you're a pro football
player and your opponent is glad that it's you. I'm
so glad you're here, Tuck, so glad you're here. I remember,
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I remember, Dan. We were going over bull rushes, okay,
and how to counteract a bull rush. And most people notice,
but a bull rush when the defensive tackle or whoever
just tries to run straight over you, went through you.
And I had just gotten there, and and I didn't know.
I mean, you know, Larry Allen didn't know me at all.
And he's trying to help me, and he's like, so
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you just got you just gotta stop and you just
jam the guy and you punch him. And you I said, Larry,
you just stop and jam the guy and punch him.
I said, if Marcus Droud tries to bull rush me,
I will be hanging on for dear life. I will
not be punching him and stopping him, right there. What
I appreciate the most I think about him, Dan, there's
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a lot of guys that have, you know, made the
Hall of Fame, and there's been a bunch of good players.
What I adored about Larry and still do is he
was trying to hurt people. And I don't I don't
mean injure, I don't mean injure, but he had the
mentality out there that he was trying to physically punish people.
(22:51):
He wanted to inflict pain. He wanted to smash you
into the ground. Not all offensive linemen are like that,
and I well that. Listen, you don't get to score touchdowns.
People don't really know your name unless you screw up.
Just like blocking a guy isn't fun if we're gonna
be three hundred and twenty pounds. The fun part is
smashing the guy into the ground and feeling the breath
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go out of their body. What I loved about Larry
is he was really trying to put people down, and
I think that's one of the reasons why offensive linemen
hold him in such high regard.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I want you to tell me what you think of CJ. Stroud,
the Texans quarterback. He was on million dollars worth of
Game podcast and had this to say comparing Matthew Stafford
and Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 9 (23:38):
Stafford at doll he is a doll.
Speaker 11 (23:40):
You don't understand, brother, you saying that that's all I watch.
I'll watch nobody else. I'll watch my homes at times
because mahomes. Then some stuff like like you can't coach
Stafford dog, he will beat you with the same thing
every time. All that no lick stuff. I got that
from Bruh. He Look, that's one of my big life
I'm a fan of his. Like, if you gave Matthew
Stafford a chance like Aaron Rogerson, I guarantee you might
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have had more rings.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
So I think, yeah, oh yeah, he gave another ring problem. No,
I'll say he had like three fold, Okay.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
C J.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Stroud he loves him, So Matthew Stafford. I don't think
anybody's ever questioned Stafford's talent. I think they just questioned Kenny.
He lifted team up. You know that maybe has his
subpar supporting cast. And he played in the same division
as Aaron Rodgers. Is Stafford a better quarterback than Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 3 (24:32):
No, I don't think so. But it's so funny. I
actually wrote about this last week for the thirty third team,
talking about how circumstantial careers are Dan, and we could
do this with every sport and whatever. But I would
love if we could go back to two thousand and
eight and put Aaron Rodgers on the Lions and put
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Matthew Stafford on the Packers and see how it unfolds.
Rogers was ridiculous. I mean, he he was an incredible player,
but it's been proven over time that he was in
a much more stable organization. Now, flip side is Dan,
how much you think Aaron Rodgers would have loved to
have had Calvin Johnson, you know, for seven or eight years? Right? So?
(25:16):
I think they're both very good players. Do I think
Stafford would have had a better chance in Green Bay? Absolutely?
Do I think Rodgers would have had as much success
in Detroit? No? I think I'd still probably lean Aaron Rodgers.
But the point is is where you get drafted makes
a big difference in your career, and those guys are
great examples of that. I've said for a long time
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we don't talk about this enough, Dan. For the Packers
to have Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers for thirty years.
They had thirty years of top five quarterback play. To
only go to three Super Bowls, that feels like a
missed opportunity. I mean, I mean to think of how
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many New England and Brady and Belichick went to and
the Packers with Farv and Rodgers only even got to
three of them. That seems like they'll be now they
have Jordan Love. But it feels like Packers fans will
look back on that. Maybe they already do and say,
how do we not how do we not win more?
Speaker 12 (26:15):
C J.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Stroud also said that he would take Eli Manning's career
over Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Would you absolutely not. I think that's insane for a
bunch of different reasons. I think what Stroud is trying
to say is that he likes the fact that Eli
won two rings and Aaron only has one. I think
if you're a Texans fan, or if you're a fan
of c. J. Stroud, you want him to have that mentality.
(26:42):
But I think most people would agree. I think Eli
Manning would be the first one to tell you that
Aaron Rodgers is a better quarterback than him. I don't
know that Eli would tell you he'd rather have Aaron's career.
But I think Eli, let's put this way. I mean,
I know CJ said he'd rather have Eli's career. I
don't think you'd find a single person to say that
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they think Eli Manning is or was a better quarterback
than Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
We've talked about quarterbacks and when do you pay them.
I wanted another year out of Kyler Murray, another year
out of two, Like I always go, let me see
one more. I know it's tricky where you don't want
to offend your star quarterback and we're going to extend
you earlier. But with Tua, I'd still like to see
another year. I mean, he was healthy, He's got really
(27:31):
good receivers there. He looks great. By the way, you're
going to have to pay him, Jared Goff money, would
you pay him, let's say, fifty three million dollars a season?
Speaker 3 (27:43):
So the thing that's interesting about too is the health component.
So the answer is yes, I would pay him fifty
three million dollars a year because, as he said yesterday,
the market is the market and he's earned it. He
has been fantastic the last couple of years, right, he
has been, and he's a perfect fit for Mike Mthaniels offense,
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and mcdonil's an unbelievable job tailoring things to him. What
makes him different is especially the concussion stuff, but also
the hip injury he had at Alabama. You know, the
I think they're probably fine on the average per year, Dan,
It's gonna be the structure and the guarantees. You know,
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the Dolphins, Dan. You can't give a guy over one
hundred and thirty one hundred and forty million dollars guaranteed
and then he has one more concussion and says, you
know what, I'm done with pro football and just collects that.
It's the reason why if they ever went to fully
guaranteed deals in the NFL, they'd be shorter and smaller
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than people realize. You can't have a guy have one
more concussion and say and go to a you know,
he can go to a brain surgeon, neurosurgeon who says
he should never play football again, and so he gets
all the money. The Dolphins are gonna have to protect
themselves in some way, especially with Tua from the head
injury concerns.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Before I let you go, I know you're doing some
fun things, some important things at West Point today. Let
the audience know what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah, it's I'm actually at the US Army War College
in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. It's pretty cool, Dan. Yeah, So I'm
at the National Security Seminar. I guess considered a civilian VIP,
but I got an email. It was a cold email
from a colonel who's heard me do the West Point
games and said, hey, do you want to be a
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civilian VIP at the National Security Seminar. So what happens
is the people that are here, they are all have
twenty years of military service in and they're going to
be at least a colonel, and a lot of them
will end up becoming general. So after twenty years, it's
kind of like getting your doctorate in military strategy. So
(29:58):
I've been sitting in on all of the classes the
last couple of days. It is unbelievable. Yeah, I mean
that's a much longer conversation. What I would just say
is that these men and women and the US military,
US Army in particular, extremely impressive. Not that we didn't
already know that, but I'm blown away.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, on a graduation week, do they have a football
team at the War college.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
No, But you know what's so funny. Last night I
went to the commandant's reception. You're gonna love this day.
And I went to the commandant's reception and his house
is unbelievable, And in there they have the football from
when the Army football team played the Carlisle Barracks team,
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which at the time was Native Americans, and the Carlisle
Barracks team beat west Point behind this guy named Jim Thorpe,
who was pretty good athlete, pretty good football player. The
commandant's house had the football from that game in like
nineteen eighteen they played here and Jim Thorpe in the
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Native Americans eat west Point, which is like, you know,
obviously back in the day, west Point was amazing. So
they don't have a football team now, but they used to, evidently.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Great to talk to you again as always, thanks for joining.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Us, of course, my pleasure. Thank you. Dan.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
That's Ross Tucker, west Wood one CBS Sports NFL college
football analyst and his podcast, The Ross Tucker Football Podcast.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
WAPP before we get to Channing Fry, we of corspose
the interesting question, what is Lebron James's son's middle name?
Is it a name? Is he named after one of
Lebron's teammates?
Speaker 8 (31:52):
No, I wish okay Lebron Ramon Ramon James junior, so
exactly the same as Lebron with the.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Junior Oh, he has same middle name, same middle names.
Speaker 8 (32:01):
Everything goes by Brownie of course.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Is that part of the rules of being junior senior?
It is you gotta wait. You have the same middle name.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
Go all the way through my dad, I have the
same middle name. Oh, it's like, uh, it's like Clay Matthews.
He's not Clay Matthews the third because I think he
has a different middle name than his father or something
like that.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
I know somebody and she has three daughters and they
all three have the same middle name, Marie, And I went,
why is that? She said, I like the name, So
they're all three their middle name.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (32:34):
Hm, that was like that scene in goodfello Is everybody
was called Pete, Pauli and Marie.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Channing Fry Turners Sports NBA analyst won a championship with
the Cavaliers co hosts of Road Tripping podcast, How are
you well?
Speaker 12 (32:48):
I'm good good, life is good. I'm in Oregon and
a's sunny, so can't be mad?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
WHOA okay, Well this time of the year, it's beautiful
there in Portland.
Speaker 9 (32:55):
Beautiful living like living in Narnia right now.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Living for okay, hell, let me understand what Lebron is
saying where he calls Kyrie the most talented player, gifted
player he's ever played the game. What exactly does that
mean to you?
Speaker 9 (33:10):
You know what It's like, It's easier, it's easier.
Speaker 12 (33:13):
To explain like this, When I work on moves, I
have to like or I have to imagine what I'm
going to do in the game, or I'll like, when
I get in the game, I predetermine, like, oh, he's
running at me, I'm going to dribble and then shoot
and do this. Imagine Kyrie's mind works like the matrix,
where like things work slower and he's no matter what
(33:37):
move or what direction you think he might be going in,
He's able to just take the ball and put it
anywhere he wants around him Like he doesn't have a
He almost doesn't have a scouting report, like you just
have to be better than him.
Speaker 9 (33:53):
And like, I remember.
Speaker 12 (33:54):
One time he was hurt and then people were like,
you know, the guys that were coming off the bench.
He was like, well, let me play all you guys
want on one. It was it was almost embarrassing, Like
I said, guys, this is.
Speaker 9 (34:08):
What I don't play defense in the first place.
Speaker 12 (34:09):
You got me out here getting roasted by Kyrie for
five minutes straight for what.
Speaker 9 (34:13):
This doesn't helping him, but like.
Speaker 12 (34:15):
He just even jab steps, you know, he and I
don't think anybody puts two and two together. He's meticulous
about the details, which allows him to play the game
freedom of thought. So everything is reactionary and that is rare.
I almost I don't know anybody else who plays like that.
(34:35):
You know, somebody's like, well I don't like going left
or I don't like going right. He doesn't have that
thing right.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
So you're co signing on what Lebron is saying. He's
the most gifted player in the history of the game.
Speaker 9 (34:45):
Damn okay, I would say he's up there. But I've
also played with Vince Carter, so.
Speaker 12 (34:52):
We talk about because Kyrie is amazing when it comes
to skill, But like when you talk when you put
skill in athleticism together, you know you know Brown is
up there, Vince Carter is up there, shoot.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Like Steph, curry up there. I think Steph he can't.
He's not a jumper, he's not physical, he's not fast.
He's got to have a good handle to create separation.
He can get to the hoop. I mean what he
does to me is far more interesting than what Kyrie.
Speaker 9 (35:25):
Now.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Kyrie in traffic is wonderful. But Steph every time down
the floor, his ability to still be able to shoot
with range, and everybody knows that. You know, they got
to stop you.
Speaker 12 (35:38):
I think what's nice about Kyrie is different than Steph
is Steph his system the way he's been successfuls he
throws the ball to somebody else runs and then when
he gets it, you're moving where Carie says, I don't
need to play.
Speaker 9 (35:53):
And anybody in.
Speaker 12 (35:54):
Front of him, whether you're his matchup, the best defender
at the center, he just goes, it's me and you
and I'm gonna get by you nine out of ten times.
That's the difference. But I do do Steph is I
have done the same man. Steph is special.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
But what about Michael Jordan because if I'm going to
take the totality of a basketball player, yeah, first Team
All Defensive what nine years and put him at the
other end as well. So is anybody more gifted than Michael?
Speaker 12 (36:28):
So I didn't play against Michael obviously, I watched him
as a kid. You would say, Michael, if we're going
to go there, then I say, Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 9 (36:34):
Look I was I tell this.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah, but Kobe wasn't the defender that Mike was.
Speaker 12 (36:41):
When he wanted to. Yeah, yeah, but you're right he wasn't.
But I would just still say he was when he
wanted to. But yeah, I mean we could put Michael
up there. I'm not arguing, like, Michael is one A
one B greatest player of all time?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
So would you take Lebron over Mike?
Speaker 9 (36:58):
Who else is on my team?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
You're starting your team? No, you're starting your team?
Speaker 9 (37:02):
Started team?
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah, No, I had to take Michael Jordan.
Speaker 9 (37:07):
Okay, I got to take Michael jos that's my guy.
But i'd have to. I'd have to take Michael Jordan
because I could build around that.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Can you take us back in the huddle if you
remember when you're lining up that last shot, when the
Cabs are playing Golden State and Kyrie is going to
take that shot. Yeah, but was that by design that
Kyrie was going to take that shot?
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Hell?
Speaker 9 (37:27):
Yes it was, Hell yes it was.
Speaker 12 (37:29):
So if you watch the film, Golden State's defense was
immaculate just the whole year, and when Bogan got hurt,
they played that smaller lineup a lot more so they
switched two through five. So they switched with Clay, Andre,
Sean Livingston and Draymond Green with Kyrie and Steph. When
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Steph was guarding j R. Smith, he showed and get back.
So on that last play, Klay Thompson is guarding Kyrie.
We knew on that show if you're showing, that's not
the matchup that you want. Whether that's true or not,
that was the call that we went to, So we said,
get Kyrie on to Steph, get Steph to guard Kyrie.
(38:12):
Klay Thompson messed up, much like Jade McDaniel's messed up
when he let Gobert guard Luca. Clay should have ran
and stayed on Steph or stayed on Kyrie when they switched.
You saw Richard was on that slot position at the
three when he cut through it left that whole right
(38:32):
side of the court open. And that's really what caused
Kyrie to be able to go because Steph was doing
this and when he looked around, he saw that there
was no help other than in that corner. And that's
when Kyrie went to his bag. And you know, history's history.
But I mean listen, whether it was Clay or Steph
or Jesus himself, I don't.
Speaker 9 (38:50):
Know if anybody was gonna guard that kid at that time.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Channing Channing Fry co host a road tripping podcast. We
have a bet. In fact, we just made bet. I'm
taking Brownie James to be drafted in the first round.
Speaker 9 (39:06):
Oh that's a good bet. I heard you talking about this.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Pie to the face is at stake?
Speaker 12 (39:13):
Here is he going in the first round? Does san
Antonio have a pick in the first round?
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Oh, you're saying san Antonio could be the landing.
Speaker 12 (39:24):
If I was if that was my son, I would
want him to go to San Antonio. If that was
my son and he was that famous. Why Number one,
the system, he's not in a big city. And two
you're literally getting ready to play with the face of
the league, Victor Wembiyama. So I'm not thinking about this
year or next year. I'm thinking about the next ten
(39:45):
to fifteen years. Who do you want to be around?
And to me, that's Victor wenbiem PAULI.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Do the Spurs have a first round draft pick?
Speaker 8 (39:52):
They do, but it's the fourth overall pick.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
That won't happen.
Speaker 8 (39:55):
They have the second round and they have the fifth
pick of round two.
Speaker 9 (40:00):
Okay, mm hmm, okay round second round.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Okay around Okay?
Speaker 9 (40:07):
I mean, why would you not your guard? Who do
you want to play with?
Speaker 2 (40:10):
I agree? And he could use a point guard because
he didn't have one. Is his rookie year and he
could shoot.
Speaker 9 (40:15):
He needs a point guard and needs somebody who could shoot.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Do you think Lebron would be upset with either the
Spurs or the Lakers if his son goes there?
Speaker 12 (40:25):
No, I just think, dude, at the end of the day,
he's a dad, like he wants his son in the league. Like,
if his son is good enough to play in the
league and he's in the league, he's won. He's done
his job as a dead He set him up for
a success.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Right.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Would you rather guard Duncic or Joker?
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Oh?
Speaker 12 (40:46):
I've guarded young Joker and young Luca and both of
them were a problem.
Speaker 9 (40:52):
Oh that's a good question. I would probably say Joker
because at.
Speaker 12 (40:59):
The end of the day, he's a past first guy,
which sounds crazy, but Luca has that mother effort in
him where if somebody on the stands talks, he's looking
at you and you're like, I didn't say nothing that
You've got to get barbecues, right, that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Somebody would yell at Luca and then he would take
it out on you.
Speaker 12 (41:19):
Yeah, like you know, there are certain players like that,
but Luca. The guy sitting in the front row at
the Minnesota thing was Waven stopped being a baby.
Speaker 9 (41:27):
Lucas said, oh, you talking to me? Okay.
Speaker 12 (41:29):
He looked at Anthony Edwards, he looked at Jan McDaniels,
he looked at Minnesota, say it's over for y'all, and
gave him twenty in the first quarter, like you just gotta.
I think Boston should clap for Luca.
Speaker 9 (41:40):
As he was on the Celtics. Maybe that will help.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
But who did you, like, are you surprised that Joker
has won three MVPs or surprised that Luca is you're,
you know, leading the NBA in scoring, like which either
one of you. Surprise you know, surprise.
Speaker 9 (41:58):
You no, dude.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
So you thought they were both going to be great.
Speaker 9 (42:04):
I thought that would be great. I didn't know he'd
win three MVPs.
Speaker 12 (42:06):
Okay, right, And I got to give credit to the
Denver Nuggets for seeing that through the Taco Bell commercial
and when he got drafted. But like, they've built a
team of stability around him to be successful.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Right.
Speaker 12 (42:20):
So Mike Malone's been a coach what nineteen years. They've
added Jamal Murray, They've added exactly the pieces he needed.
And we don't talk about the Aaron Gordon trade or whatever.
That was enough because it allowed Jokic to not get
double team. You can't double team him when he has
that lob threat right there. And to me, you got
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to give credit for its taking a talent. He's talented
and he's amazing, but you've also built him up to say, hey,
we're going to build our system around you because you're unstoppable,
and he's qualified for that. But Luca, we knew what
Luca was a long time ago. He's just now in
shape this year. Lord at Mercy took him six years, but.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
He's now in Any downside to porzingis coming back into
the lineup.
Speaker 12 (43:05):
Downside. No, I think we have to be very unjudgmental
about his first couple of games. My man has not
played basketball. He's played against his teammates. Nobody gives a
crap about that. You have not played in the NBA finals.
The speed of the NBA Finals is crazy, right, Like,
even for me, it was so funny. We're sitting after
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the Eastern Conference Finals. We cooked the Toronto Raptors and
then we played We got beat by the Warriors the
first game. I got in at the end, I looked
at my teammates. I said, yeah, it isn't moving a
little too fast.
Speaker 9 (43:40):
For the big fella.
Speaker 12 (43:40):
Y'all go ahead, y'all go ahead and play like he's
gonna have to pick it up. And you know, honestly,
they're gonna go at him. They're gonna go at him.
They're gonna go at Al Horford because if he's upfront
guarding the screens, they're gonna test his conditioning.
Speaker 9 (43:56):
So is he gonna guard? Are they gonna switch Luca
on the KP? Now? If he gets downhill, who's blocking
that lot threat?
Speaker 12 (44:04):
That's where I think that's where the game is So
to me, he's going to have to be in crazy
good defensive shape and then I don't know if he
he has to win his matchup versus Derek Lively or
PJ Washington for them have a chance.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
I've been saying that Al Horford is going to be
a Hall of Famer when it's all said and done.
Now I got a factor in Florida where he won
two national titles. Totally, So it's basketball Hall of Fame, Yes,
it is. Is Al Horford going to be in the
Basketball Hall of Fame?
Speaker 9 (44:35):
Not before Kevin Love?
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Kevin Love a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 9 (44:40):
Oh yes, yes, Oh for sure.
Speaker 12 (44:42):
Okay, that's a for Shore and that's not that's my boy,
But he is for sure, So Kevin Love gets in.
I'm fifty to fifty on Al Horford. If he wins
this year, I think for sure. I think for sure
he's I think he's won enough. But if he doesn't win, ever,
I would say no. But Al's great. I've been winning
his whole career.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Now, I think Kevin Love and Al Horford both have
been an All Star five times.
Speaker 9 (45:07):
Yeah, but one of them has a championship.
Speaker 12 (45:09):
One of them was the second best power forward for
three years in the NBA.
Speaker 9 (45:14):
That's a little different. It's a little different.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (45:17):
Al Horford has never been like, oh he's the is
he better than you know? Remember Kevin and Minnesota was like, wow,
is he better than Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowhisky, Like,
I don't know if we've ever talked about Al Horford
that way.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
No, we haven't. But I think didn't Kevin Love have
a thirty thirty game?
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Didn't you do a.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Thirty thirty points, thirty rebounds in a game in Minnesota?
Speaker 9 (45:38):
I think he did, which is disgusting. I don't know
if I had thirty rebounds in a.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Month, but I remember Paulie and I what was it, Paulie.
Speaker 8 (45:50):
Kevin Love November twelve, twenty ten, thirty one, thirty one
in the game against the Knicks.
Speaker 9 (45:56):
Will we ever see somebody get thirty one?
Speaker 3 (45:59):
Read?
Speaker 12 (45:59):
That's it's like a team rebound. That's what the Pacers
rebound that last game.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Yeah, but Luca had a sixty twenty game.
Speaker 9 (46:08):
Scoring is very different than rebounding.
Speaker 12 (46:12):
Rebounding the basketball Back in two thousand and what seven,
when there was a ten still we still played a
true center, a hour forward, a big three guard, a
pretty big two guard, and a medium sized point guard.
Speaker 9 (46:29):
Like he's battling in there with.
Speaker 12 (46:31):
Remember, offensive rebounds was a thing, so like you're in
there at that time, like for thirty is crazy.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
He had fifteen rebounds in the third quarter. Half of
his rebounds. I was going to say, you got to
play a team that it's not. You know, the Knicks
weren't good, so that helped the Yeah, good luck with
the podcast. Great to catch up again for sure, thanks
for joining us, of course, thank you. It's a Channing
Frime sports analyst and co host a Rhode Trippin' podcast
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
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Channing Fry a little bit later on as well, on
the eve of the NBA Finals, talk about that Chris
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to the dan Ets did a concert in Europe where
I think it was three and a half hours long.
I think it might have been in the rain three
and a half hours, and I was thinking, at what
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point is a concert too long?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Now?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I went to an Elvis Constello concert that was last
year in New York, and while I wanted to see
Elvis Constello, I got to see a little too much
of Elvis Constello. So it was over three hours and
it was a little too long. Now. That might have
had something to do with these seats that I was in,
because they were built for somebody, probably back in the
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nineteen twenties, and my wife and I had to squeeze
into the seats, and it was a little it was
a little too long, a little too long. I've been
to a Springsteen show where I go getting up there
close to eleven. We've been going strong for over three hours,
and I got to drive back. Would you rather have
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a concert too long or too short? Too long or
too short? I'll start with you.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Too short if they play all the hits?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Okay, okay, now we have an asterisk by this, Okay,
seaton too long, too short concert.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
I'm trying to think band by band.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Genre.
Speaker 6 (02:17):
Yeah, some bands I might be like, no, this is
to I think too short, because there's definitely been times
like a Springsteen concert I went to I was every
single song was a hit, and I was like, damn, man,
this is three plus hours.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Now, this can end anytime.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
I once went to go see this band called the
Mars Volta and they played for seemingly like two and
a half hours, but they only played about five songs.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
Their songs were just that long, yes, and.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
I was like, oh my god, there were ties they
were forty five minutes into and I was like, this
is still the same song.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Holy crap.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
How many times are they playing this one song?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Well, that'd be a Phish concert as well.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I mean they're great, they're very very good.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
They're an unbelieved but it's at the same time it's like,
good god, man, uh.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Todd too short, too long.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I'd rather go to.
Speaker 7 (02:59):
A cotcher that's more on the longer side. Okay, feel
like I got my money's worth it. If I like
them that much and it took the time to go,
it shouldn't bother me that much that it's going.
Speaker 8 (03:06):
Wrong, all right, Paulie, it's too short, like an hour
and fifteen minutes.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
Probably it is a good question because it's too short,
like thirty minutes, that's it.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I would say, what we can do the over under
and an hour fifteen or what about forty five minutes three?
And that's too short?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Too short?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, I would say an hour fifteen or three or
three or three Okay, we can do an hour fifteen
or hour fifteen.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
Yeah, yes to The content needs to be longer than
the time it took to get there. I think that
has to be factor it. Also, if it took me
an hour to get there and you're playing for forty minutes, like.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
What, okay, three and a half hours is a commitment?
That is I mean it really is like you're you're
putting in a half a day's work to go see
that show. Now, given what it costs to go see
Taylor Swift, you're probably gonna go. All right, let me
itemize this with a song, you know, per minute or whatever.
Speaker 8 (04:00):
Yes, Paul, I'm gonna go along because then you see everything.
The only problem is if you leave at the two
forty five mark, you're probably missing the best songs in
the last half hour.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
That's true.
Speaker 8 (04:11):
I look at Taylor Swift websites all the time. By
the way, her normal concerts are three hours and fifteen minutes.
Occasionally on this tour, I've got time of every concert
they've gone up to three hours and forty five minutes
if she has special guests, you know, or some cover songs.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
If you're playing the hits, you know you're not gonna
hear a couple of the hits. If you don't stay
around for the encore, you got to roll the dice there,
like what song are they? And if you can get
the set list ahead of time, then you're going to go,
oh god, let me strategize here, do you guys?
Speaker 9 (04:43):
Ever?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
You know, Hoody and the Blowfish is out on tour now,
so I went to see what they did when they
were in Dallas, just to see the set list there. Now,
I'm not gonna leave early with a Hoody and the
Blowfish concert, because I'll hang with the guys afterwards and
tell them how great they were. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
You know.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Part of it too, though, is if you're paying like
Taylor Swift concert tickets right now are like crazy expensive.
They're like two twenty five hundred bucks apiece or something.
It's if you're going to do that, I'm gonna need
it to be about four hours long. I'm gonna need
it to be three years worth of concerts. If I'm
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paying one thousand, two thousand plus, If I'm paying five
hundred dollars for a ticket, I'm gonna need it to
be a good two hours and thirty minutes.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So it's gonna be around Is it six hundred dollars
per hour? When you're watching Taylor Swift? Like if you
itemized it, if you're watching what you paid and how
long they're going to play. I've never done that before,
but you know, come to think of it, if you're
going to go see one of these bands, or you
know an artist and they're going to be charging you,
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or the secondary market it's gonna be charging you, then
you're gonna be like, I don't know if I got
my six hundred and fifty dollars worth first hour.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Yeah, I'm looking at a popular ticket website selling website.
This is for her concert October eighteenth, Friday, seven pm,
Hard Rock Stadium, Miami, Florida. The cheapest ticket I could
find is twenty two hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
But that's that's each secondary market.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Yeah, it sounds like flubschlub.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Oh is that ticket? I don't know what you're referring to.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
It sounds like flubschlublub.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
That's the only place I go.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Yeah, that's each.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
So if you're going to take your one daughter by herself,
no friends, just you and your daughter.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah, that's whoever. Now that's where you can't go. Hey,
can I bring Sally and Tina and Tarrett? No? No,
it's just you and me. Okay, gonna cost five thousand
dollars to go see her just for the.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Two of you. That's not parking. This about a T
shirt that's not.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
And those T shirts where you go that T shirt's
one hundred dollars. And I'm like, I don't think I
needed Neil Young T shirt? Like I'm good. Yeah, Marv.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Do you know how bad it was when I asked
my mom for eighteen dollars MC hammer shirt?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Marvin? Are you crazy? But she did?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Anyway, I got a I'm you know, I'm going to
my mom's house tonight. I'm going to try to see
if I can bring it tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Oh, now you're gonna be able to wear it?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
No?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
No, I was eight.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
If I was eighteen, I still couldn't fit into it.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Okayhma don't hurt him to her.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Uh No, it's a too legiti court see boys to man.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Oh okay, dude, that is he went on for.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Me about an hour thirty. I want to say, okay,
I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
So it's similar to going to the movies.
Speaker 8 (07:42):
If you see a ninety minute movie, maybe hour forty five,
it's standard. But some of those movies, like I don't know,
it's like Dunkirk or something, it was an easy three
hour yeah, and you're like, what's going on here? Getting
a little stiff?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, yeah, but at least there's if you can move
around when you go to it uncerted.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
You know, when I go to the theater, I'm just
sitting there like I've done that before, where you just
look at your watch. You go and it's been two
hours and ten minutes, and then you go, how long
is this movie? Then you realize, you know, it's to
forty seven. Yes, Toddy.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
If you're able to get tickets where there's no work
or school the next day, that certainly makes it a
lot easier.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
We don't have to keep worrying about your watch.
Speaker 9 (08:23):
I'm not going to get home till one in the morning.
And I got to get up at six.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Yeah, you can go like on a Friday night, Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
It doesn't always work out, yes, Mark, How long was
Billy Joel.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Just?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I think over two hours kind of sounds like a
perfect time, but it was, you know, the time was
just right, and he played all the hits and you know,
stayed for the encore, stayed till the very end. But
it was I think a little over two hours. It
didn't see I don't even realize how long it was,
but it didn't feel like it was a long concert.
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But you know, it helps when they play hit like
he got hit after. You have to be really good
to be able to play three and a half hours.
If you're Taylor Swift, you have to have a lot
of hits if you're going to play for three and
a half hours. So not many people have that opportunity
to go and and here's another one of my number
one hits.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
She definitely does.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
She got a lot of them, yes, mar.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
And the difference, the difference between Billy Joel and a
lot of the legendary artists is that he hasn't released
new music in thirty years, so all he has is
the hits yeah, and it's hard when you want to
go see bon Jovi or the Rolling Stones or whoever,
and they're like, hey, this is something off our all
of our latest album boo.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
They're living on a prayer.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
That's where the issue comes in for those legendary groups.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Well, the Stones have a new album out and they're
on tour, but they still play all the hits. And
you know, I talked to somebody who just saw them
recently and they said they were great. You know, Jagger's
still running around. He's, you know, like a marathon runner
up there. He said. The funny part is Keith Richards.
Sometimes you'll just sit down and play his guitar. Like
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the fact that Keith is still alive at eighty pretty good.
I had the under But you know when you see
the Stones, they have so many hits and then you're like,
all right, oh, okay, that one, okay, that one, so yes, Paul.
Speaker 8 (10:11):
I think a long concert is kind of like a
college football game. You get there early. You want to
be there early to tailgate the longer the game. Like
college football games when they go four hours. It never
bothers me when I'm at them. I never go oh,
I got to run out of here.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
But why do we look at baseball games and have
a problem with baseball games like how long they go?
But I don't know if people go, man, this football
game is taking forever. Wait, but a baseball game, you're like,
we got to get this done in less than two hours,
no matter what the end result is. It feels like
they got to speed this game.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
Uh yeah, because football games every you know, thirty seconds
or so, you have ten interesting seconds and then you
wait and then wow, this seven seconds is good.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Okay, let's waitit.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
Oh wow, that was really interesting, and then oh wow,
that was interesting.
Speaker 9 (10:54):
You know.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
That's why baseball's and not like that. You might have
a whole forty five minutes of nothing happening.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, but that's the beauty of it. It's timeless. Sorry,
but Bob Costas just got into my ear. Yes, Tom, I.
Speaker 7 (11:08):
Think if you're engaged and it's compelling and you know
the words and you're singing and dancing along, whether it's
Taylor Swift or Billy joelor whatever, that's what makes the
time go faster.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
You just said it didn't.
Speaker 7 (11:17):
Feel like two two and a half hours because you
obviously liked all the songs and knew all the words
and it brought back memories.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Maybe, but nobody ever says, guy, this football game is
taken forever. They don't baseball, yes, even basketball. What did
we say about the last two minutes? Oh god, it
took a half hour. Even if it's a dramatic ending,
It took forever those last two minutes, yes, Paul.
Speaker 8 (11:38):
And college football, you could tailgate afterwards. A lot of
people tailgate afterwards. They get a few more in. You
you kind of wrap.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
It up that.
Speaker 8 (11:45):
I think that's why nobody leaves college football. Early pro football,
you'll see some people bail if it's a blowout. College
football doesn't go that way. They don't watch you tailgate
after the game that much in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
All right, So that was the conversation prior to the
start of the show. We have things to talk about here, Yes.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
You have. The worst is too.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
It's like when you go see a band that's been
around a long time and they're releasing their like seventeenth
album and you're like, oh, they're experimenting with dubstep, Like
that's not that's not what we want out of the
Rolling Stones. Don't be modern, don't whatever what's a new
This kind of has a trap beat to it.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Oh, that's fun.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Hey, everybody doing everybody's doing country now, and we got
a couple of country songs here we like to play
for you.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
We don't.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
You don't have to don't.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Do a song with Travis Scott. No, don't don't do
a song with him.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
No, no, we don't need to do that. What's the
poll question today?
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Well, we're definitely starting with would you rather a concert
be too long or short?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (12:41):
That is sure going.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's see do I
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Operator Tyler sitting by taking your phone calls. We'll get
to those. Our good buddy Ross Tucker will join us.
I told you Tyreek Hill, once he saw what was
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happening with their contracts, was going to ask to to
go renegotiate his contract, and that's exactly what's going on.
Also to a tongue of yalloa, if you're gonna do
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Speaker 2 (15:08):
Gino Oriema think he's seventy years of age signed up
for three more years at Connecticut. What else is he
going to do? Retirement's overrated Now you just sit around
and you dust off your trophies, go out for a walk,
have some coffee. Is it a three year or five year?
I got five years for the Big app five years.
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eight seven seven three DP show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com,
Twitter handle a DP show Ross Tucker Westwood one, CBS Sports,
NFL college football analyst and host of the Ross Tucker
Football Podcast. All right, a couple of things to talk
about here. I want to talk about Larry Ewn, former
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teammate of years, and I also want to talk about
what's going on with the wide receivers right now because
US and Jefferson got paid CD. Lamb's not at training camp,
and I'm thinking he kind of knows what his window
is here, at least Jerry Jones would know. Shouldn't that
deal get done if they do want to pay Cede Lamb.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Dan, I'm at a loss for what the Dallas Cowboys
are doing from a contract standpoint. I really don't understand it,
you know, as you know I do the Eagles preseason games,
and the Eagles philosophy is, as soon as you identify
a player as being a core player that you want
to have around for a long time, sign him and
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extend him then because the price is only going to
go up. Meanwhile, Dan, the Cowboys' three best most important
players right now, Dak Prescott, Ceedee Lamb, Micah Parsons all
have contract issues. None of them are happy with their
contractual situations. I've heard where Jerry Jones has said he
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he wants a few more hands to be played, which
I think is insulting. I mean, on the one hand,
you can say what he wants to see how Dak
or Ceede Lamb or Michah Parsons plays, Maybe they're a
chance they could suffer some type of catastrophic injury. But
when I hear Jerry Jones say he wants to see
some more hands be played before he gives them the
(17:20):
big contracts, two thoughts. One is I think it's really
insulting to those guys. I mean, you're Ceedee Lamb, Michaeh Parsons,
Dak Prescott, and Jerry Jones hasn't seen enough to this
point to identify you as the guy he wants to
have around. And then the other thing is the reason
why the Cowboys are in this position and will continue
to be in this position. They're gonna have to pay
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all three of those guys now at the top of
the market. Michael Parsons isn't taking less. He already said it.
He wants to be the highest paid non quarterback. Ceedee Lamb,
I'm sure thinks he's as good as Jefferson. And we'll
get that money, and Dak has crazy leverage over them
because of his salary cat number. As you know, Dan,
it's the most well endowed, it's the most valuable franchise
(18:05):
in all of pro sports. They could easily a year
ago have given these guys huge signing bonuses, spread it
out to get that salary cap proration. I really don't
understand it at all.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, unless he's Jerry is kind of betting on one
of those guys is not going to live up to
expectations this upcoming, Like it's just weird. You're almost hoping
they don't outperform what their contract is going to call for,
which is crazy. You want Micaeh Parsons to be Defensive
Player of the Year, you want Ceedee Lamb to have
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one hundred and twenty catches and twelve touchdowns, and you
want Dak to be in the MVP race. That's going
to cost you even more because you're on the clock.
So it's almost as if Jerry said, well, what if
they underachieved, maybe I don't have to pay him as much,
or I let one of them walk.
Speaker 9 (18:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
And the thing that to your point, which I think
is really interesting, is that I guess I sit here
sometimes and I think, do they just want to pay
him as late as possible? Is it just a cash thing?
Because you're right, it's almost on some level like they're
rooting for that to happen. I don't think that that's
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the case.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
You're delaying the inevitable.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
It feels like a thousand percent. And I think Dan
that Jerry Jones wants these players and their agents to
give a discount because they play for the Cowboys, meaning
all of the primetime games, all of the off the
field opportunities. You see dak on, all these commercials. Mike
(19:40):
has got all this stuff going with bleacher Report and
all these things. I think he won. And maybe there
was a time where players did that because there was
such a difference between being a Cincinnati Bengal on a
Dallas Cowboy or a Jacksonville Jaguar in a Dallas Cowboy.
I think with social media and with the Internet, I
don't think think that's as much of a difference as
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it used to be. And I don't think any of
these players are buying the notion of taking less to
play for the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
They moved on from Amari Cooper a couple of years ago,
when you know he wanted big money there, so I
don't know if Jerry's willing to do that. We're talking
to Ross Tucker, our good buddy. You got to have
a brief pit stop with the Cowboys. Larry Allen was there, Like,
can you give people a sense of the aura of
(20:29):
Larry Allen with the Cowboys?
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah? Well, it's crazy because it was only my second year.
It was two thousand and two and I got cut
by Washington. I got claimed off of waivers the next
day by the Cowboys in Park because Larry was hurt.
I went there and this is a guy, Dan, you know,
I'm twenty three years old. I had watched Larry the
whole time I was in high school, the whole time
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I was in college. And now I'm out there and
he can't play, so I have to place him. So
at least the first game, maybe the first couple games, Dan,
he was still trying to practice, so he was still
listed as questionable. So I'm starting at left guard for
the Dallas Cowboys in place of the injured Larry Allen
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those first couple games. Dan, you have never seen guys
so happy to see me in your whole life.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
On the other team.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, the D lineman, the D line. I came out
of the huddle, and all those guys for the Colts,
certainly Henderson and Stroud for the Jaguars, they're like, oh,
thank god, Oh thank god, it's this guy. I mean,
it's not a good sign when you're a pro football
player and your opponent is glad that it's you. I'm
so glad you're here, Tuck, so glad you're here. I remember,
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I remember, Dan. We were going over bull rushes, okay,
and how to counteract a bull rush. And most people notice,
but a bull rush when the defensive tackle or whoever
just tries to run straight over you, went through you.
And I had just gotten there, and and I didn't know.
I mean, you know, Larry Allen didn't know me at all.
And he's trying to help me, and he's like, so
(22:09):
you just got you just gotta stop and you just
jam the guy and you punch him. And you I said, Larry,
you just stop and jam the guy and punch him.
I said, if Marcus Droud tries to bull rush me,
I will be hanging on for dear life. I will
not be punching him and stopping him, right there. What
I appreciate the most I think about him, Dan, there's
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a lot of guys that have, you know, made the
Hall of Fame, and there's been a bunch of good players.
What I adored about Larry and still do is he
was trying to hurt people. And I don't I don't
mean injure, I don't mean injure, but he had the
mentality out there that he was trying to physically punish people.
(22:51):
He wanted to inflict pain. He wanted to smash you
into the ground. Not all offensive linemen are like that,
and I well that. Listen, you don't get to score touchdowns.
People don't really know your name unless you screw up.
Just like blocking a guy isn't fun if we're gonna
be three hundred and twenty pounds. The fun part is
smashing the guy into the ground and feeling the breath
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go out of their body. What I loved about Larry
is he was really trying to put people down, and
I think that's one of the reasons why offensive linemen
hold him in such high regard.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I want you to tell me what you think of CJ. Stroud,
the Texans quarterback. He was on million dollars worth of
Game podcast and had this to say comparing Matthew Stafford
and Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 9 (23:38):
Stafford at doll he is a doll.
Speaker 11 (23:40):
You don't understand, brother, you saying that that's all I watch.
I'll watch nobody else. I'll watch my homes at times
because mahomes. Then some stuff like like you can't coach
Stafford dog, he will beat you with the same thing
every time. All that no lick stuff. I got that
from Bruh. He Look, that's one of my big life
I'm a fan of his. Like, if you gave Matthew
Stafford a chance like Aaron Rogerson, I guarantee you might
(24:02):
have had more rings.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
So I think, yeah, oh yeah, he gave another ring problem. No,
I'll say he had like three fold, Okay.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
C J.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Stroud he loves him, So Matthew Stafford. I don't think
anybody's ever questioned Stafford's talent. I think they just questioned Kenny.
He lifted team up. You know that maybe has his
subpar supporting cast. And he played in the same division
as Aaron Rodgers. Is Stafford a better quarterback than Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 3 (24:32):
No, I don't think so. But it's so funny. I
actually wrote about this last week for the thirty third team,
talking about how circumstantial careers are Dan, and we could
do this with every sport and whatever. But I would
love if we could go back to two thousand and
eight and put Aaron Rodgers on the Lions and put
(24:52):
Matthew Stafford on the Packers and see how it unfolds.
Rogers was ridiculous. I mean, he he was an incredible player,
but it's been proven over time that he was in
a much more stable organization. Now, flip side is Dan,
how much you think Aaron Rodgers would have loved to
have had Calvin Johnson, you know, for seven or eight years? Right? So?
(25:16):
I think they're both very good players. Do I think
Stafford would have had a better chance in Green Bay? Absolutely?
Do I think Rodgers would have had as much success
in Detroit? No? I think I'd still probably lean Aaron Rodgers.
But the point is is where you get drafted makes
a big difference in your career, and those guys are
great examples of that. I've said for a long time
(25:39):
we don't talk about this enough, Dan. For the Packers
to have Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers for thirty years.
They had thirty years of top five quarterback play. To
only go to three Super Bowls, that feels like a
missed opportunity. I mean, I mean to think of how
(25:59):
many New England and Brady and Belichick went to and
the Packers with Farv and Rodgers only even got to
three of them. That seems like they'll be now they
have Jordan Love. But it feels like Packers fans will
look back on that. Maybe they already do and say,
how do we not how do we not win more?
Speaker 12 (26:15):
C J.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Stroud also said that he would take Eli Manning's career
over Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Would you absolutely not. I think that's insane for a
bunch of different reasons. I think what Stroud is trying
to say is that he likes the fact that Eli
won two rings and Aaron only has one. I think
if you're a Texans fan, or if you're a fan
of c. J. Stroud, you want him to have that mentality.
(26:42):
But I think most people would agree. I think Eli
Manning would be the first one to tell you that
Aaron Rodgers is a better quarterback than him. I don't
know that Eli would tell you he'd rather have Aaron's career.
But I think Eli, let's put this way. I mean,
I know CJ said he'd rather have Eli's career. I
don't think you'd find a single person to say that
(27:03):
they think Eli Manning is or was a better quarterback
than Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
We've talked about quarterbacks and when do you pay them.
I wanted another year out of Kyler Murray, another year
out of two, Like I always go, let me see
one more. I know it's tricky where you don't want
to offend your star quarterback and we're going to extend
you earlier. But with Tua, I'd still like to see
another year. I mean, he was healthy, He's got really
(27:31):
good receivers there. He looks great. By the way, you're
going to have to pay him, Jared Goff money, would
you pay him, let's say, fifty three million dollars a season?
Speaker 3 (27:43):
So the thing that's interesting about too is the health component.
So the answer is yes, I would pay him fifty
three million dollars a year because, as he said yesterday,
the market is the market and he's earned it. He
has been fantastic the last couple of years, right, he
has been, and he's a perfect fit for Mike Mthaniels offense,
(28:05):
and mcdonil's an unbelievable job tailoring things to him. What
makes him different is especially the concussion stuff, but also
the hip injury he had at Alabama. You know, the
I think they're probably fine on the average per year, Dan,
It's gonna be the structure and the guarantees. You know,
(28:27):
the Dolphins, Dan. You can't give a guy over one
hundred and thirty one hundred and forty million dollars guaranteed
and then he has one more concussion and says, you
know what, I'm done with pro football and just collects that.
It's the reason why if they ever went to fully
guaranteed deals in the NFL, they'd be shorter and smaller
(28:50):
than people realize. You can't have a guy have one
more concussion and say and go to a you know,
he can go to a brain surgeon, neurosurgeon who says
he should never play football again, and so he gets
all the money. The Dolphins are gonna have to protect
themselves in some way, especially with Tua from the head
injury concerns.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Before I let you go, I know you're doing some
fun things, some important things at West Point today. Let
the audience know what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah, it's I'm actually at the US Army War College
in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. It's pretty cool, Dan. Yeah, So I'm
at the National Security Seminar. I guess considered a civilian VIP,
but I got an email. It was a cold email
from a colonel who's heard me do the West Point
games and said, hey, do you want to be a
(29:36):
civilian VIP at the National Security Seminar. So what happens
is the people that are here, they are all have
twenty years of military service in and they're going to
be at least a colonel, and a lot of them
will end up becoming general. So after twenty years, it's
kind of like getting your doctorate in military strategy. So
(29:58):
I've been sitting in on all of the classes the
last couple of days. It is unbelievable. Yeah, I mean
that's a much longer conversation. What I would just say
is that these men and women and the US military,
US Army in particular, extremely impressive. Not that we didn't
already know that, but I'm blown away.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, on a graduation week, do they have a football
team at the War college.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
No, But you know what's so funny. Last night I
went to the commandant's reception. You're gonna love this day.
And I went to the commandant's reception and his house
is unbelievable, And in there they have the football from
when the Army football team played the Carlisle Barracks team,
(30:43):
which at the time was Native Americans, and the Carlisle
Barracks team beat west Point behind this guy named Jim Thorpe,
who was pretty good athlete, pretty good football player. The
commandant's house had the football from that game in like
nineteen eighteen they played here and Jim Thorpe in the
(31:06):
Native Americans eat west Point, which is like, you know,
obviously back in the day, west Point was amazing. So
they don't have a football team now, but they used to, evidently.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Great to talk to you again as always, thanks for joining.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Us, of course, my pleasure. Thank you. Dan.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
That's Ross Tucker, west Wood one CBS Sports NFL college
football analyst and his podcast, The Ross Tucker Football Podcast.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
WAPP before we get to Channing Fry, we of corspose
the interesting question, what is Lebron James's son's middle name?
Is it a name? Is he named after one of
Lebron's teammates?
Speaker 8 (31:52):
No, I wish okay Lebron Ramon Ramon James junior, so
exactly the same as Lebron with the.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Junior Oh, he has same middle name, same middle names.
Speaker 8 (32:01):
Everything goes by Brownie of course.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Is that part of the rules of being junior senior?
It is you gotta wait. You have the same middle name.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
Go all the way through my dad, I have the
same middle name. Oh, it's like, uh, it's like Clay Matthews.
He's not Clay Matthews the third because I think he
has a different middle name than his father or something
like that.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
I know somebody and she has three daughters and they
all three have the same middle name, Marie, And I went,
why is that? She said, I like the name, So
they're all three their middle name.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (32:34):
Hm, that was like that scene in goodfello Is everybody
was called Pete, Pauli and Marie.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Channing Fry Turners Sports NBA analyst won a championship with
the Cavaliers co hosts of Road Tripping podcast, How are
you well?
Speaker 12 (32:48):
I'm good good, life is good. I'm in Oregon and
a's sunny, so can't be mad?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
WHOA okay, Well this time of the year, it's beautiful
there in Portland.
Speaker 9 (32:55):
Beautiful living like living in Narnia right now.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Living for okay, hell, let me understand what Lebron is
saying where he calls Kyrie the most talented player, gifted
player he's ever played the game. What exactly does that
mean to you?
Speaker 9 (33:10):
You know what It's like, It's easier, it's easier.
Speaker 12 (33:13):
To explain like this, When I work on moves, I
have to like or I have to imagine what I'm
going to do in the game, or I'll like, when
I get in the game, I predetermine, like, oh, he's
running at me, I'm going to dribble and then shoot
and do this. Imagine Kyrie's mind works like the matrix,
where like things work slower and he's no matter what
(33:37):
move or what direction you think he might be going in,
He's able to just take the ball and put it
anywhere he wants around him Like he doesn't have a
He almost doesn't have a scouting report, like you just
have to be better than him.
Speaker 9 (33:53):
And like, I remember.
Speaker 12 (33:54):
One time he was hurt and then people were like,
you know, the guys that were coming off the bench.
He was like, well, let me play all you guys
want on one. It was it was almost embarrassing, Like
I said, guys, this is.
Speaker 9 (34:08):
What I don't play defense in the first place.
Speaker 12 (34:09):
You got me out here getting roasted by Kyrie for
five minutes straight for what.
Speaker 9 (34:13):
This doesn't helping him, but like.
Speaker 12 (34:15):
He just even jab steps, you know, he and I
don't think anybody puts two and two together. He's meticulous
about the details, which allows him to play the game
freedom of thought. So everything is reactionary and that is rare.
I almost I don't know anybody else who plays like that.
(34:35):
You know, somebody's like, well I don't like going left
or I don't like going right. He doesn't have that
thing right.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
So you're co signing on what Lebron is saying. He's
the most gifted player in the history of the game.
Speaker 9 (34:45):
Damn okay, I would say he's up there. But I've
also played with Vince Carter, so.
Speaker 12 (34:52):
We talk about because Kyrie is amazing when it comes
to skill, But like when you talk when you put
skill in athleticism together, you know you know Brown is
up there, Vince Carter is up there, shoot.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Like Steph, curry up there. I think Steph he can't.
He's not a jumper, he's not physical, he's not fast.
He's got to have a good handle to create separation.
He can get to the hoop. I mean what he
does to me is far more interesting than what Kyrie.
Speaker 9 (35:25):
Now.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Kyrie in traffic is wonderful. But Steph every time down
the floor, his ability to still be able to shoot
with range, and everybody knows that. You know, they got
to stop you.
Speaker 12 (35:38):
I think what's nice about Kyrie is different than Steph
is Steph his system the way he's been successfuls he
throws the ball to somebody else runs and then when
he gets it, you're moving where Carie says, I don't
need to play.
Speaker 9 (35:53):
And anybody in.
Speaker 12 (35:54):
Front of him, whether you're his matchup, the best defender
at the center, he just goes, it's me and you
and I'm gonna get by you nine out of ten times.
That's the difference. But I do do Steph is I
have done the same man. Steph is special.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
But what about Michael Jordan because if I'm going to
take the totality of a basketball player, yeah, first Team
All Defensive what nine years and put him at the
other end as well. So is anybody more gifted than Michael?
Speaker 12 (36:28):
So I didn't play against Michael obviously, I watched him
as a kid. You would say, Michael, if we're going
to go there, then I say, Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 9 (36:34):
Look I was I tell this.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah, but Kobe wasn't the defender that Mike was.
Speaker 12 (36:41):
When he wanted to. Yeah, yeah, but you're right he wasn't.
But I would just still say he was when he
wanted to. But yeah, I mean we could put Michael
up there. I'm not arguing, like, Michael is one A
one B greatest player of all time?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
So would you take Lebron over Mike?
Speaker 9 (36:58):
Who else is on my team?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
You're starting your team? No, you're starting your team?
Speaker 9 (37:02):
Started team?
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah, No, I had to take Michael Jordan.
Speaker 9 (37:07):
Okay, I got to take Michael jos that's my guy.
But i'd have to. I'd have to take Michael Jordan
because I could build around that.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Can you take us back in the huddle if you
remember when you're lining up that last shot, when the
Cabs are playing Golden State and Kyrie is going to
take that shot. Yeah, but was that by design that
Kyrie was going to take that shot?
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Hell?
Speaker 9 (37:27):
Yes it was, Hell yes it was.
Speaker 12 (37:29):
So if you watch the film, Golden State's defense was
immaculate just the whole year, and when Bogan got hurt,
they played that smaller lineup a lot more so they
switched two through five. So they switched with Clay, Andre,
Sean Livingston and Draymond Green with Kyrie and Steph. When
(37:51):
Steph was guarding j R. Smith, he showed and get back.
So on that last play, Klay Thompson is guarding Kyrie.
We knew on that show if you're showing, that's not
the matchup that you want. Whether that's true or not,
that was the call that we went to, So we said,
get Kyrie on to Steph, get Steph to guard Kyrie.
(38:12):
Klay Thompson messed up, much like Jade McDaniel's messed up
when he let Gobert guard Luca. Clay should have ran
and stayed on Steph or stayed on Kyrie when they switched.
You saw Richard was on that slot position at the
three when he cut through it left that whole right
(38:32):
side of the court open. And that's really what caused
Kyrie to be able to go because Steph was doing
this and when he looked around, he saw that there
was no help other than in that corner. And that's
when Kyrie went to his bag. And you know, history's history.
But I mean listen, whether it was Clay or Steph
or Jesus himself, I don't.
Speaker 9 (38:50):
Know if anybody was gonna guard that kid at that time.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Channing Channing Fry co host a road tripping podcast. We
have a bet. In fact, we just made bet. I'm
taking Brownie James to be drafted in the first round.
Speaker 9 (39:06):
Oh that's a good bet. I heard you talking about this.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Pie to the face is at stake?
Speaker 12 (39:13):
Here is he going in the first round? Does san
Antonio have a pick in the first round?
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Oh, you're saying san Antonio could be the landing.
Speaker 12 (39:24):
If I was if that was my son, I would
want him to go to San Antonio. If that was
my son and he was that famous. Why Number one,
the system, he's not in a big city. And two
you're literally getting ready to play with the face of
the league, Victor Wembiyama. So I'm not thinking about this
year or next year. I'm thinking about the next ten
(39:45):
to fifteen years. Who do you want to be around?
And to me, that's Victor wenbiem PAULI.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Do the Spurs have a first round draft pick?
Speaker 8 (39:52):
They do, but it's the fourth overall pick.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
That won't happen.
Speaker 8 (39:55):
They have the second round and they have the fifth
pick of round two.
Speaker 9 (40:00):
Okay, mm hmm, okay round second round.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Okay around Okay?
Speaker 9 (40:07):
I mean, why would you not your guard? Who do
you want to play with?
Speaker 2 (40:10):
I agree? And he could use a point guard because
he didn't have one. Is his rookie year and he
could shoot.
Speaker 9 (40:15):
He needs a point guard and needs somebody who could shoot.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Do you think Lebron would be upset with either the
Spurs or the Lakers if his son goes there?
Speaker 12 (40:25):
No, I just think, dude, at the end of the day,
he's a dad, like he wants his son in the league. Like,
if his son is good enough to play in the
league and he's in the league, he's won. He's done
his job as a dead He set him up for
a success.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Right.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Would you rather guard Duncic or Joker?
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Oh?
Speaker 12 (40:46):
I've guarded young Joker and young Luca and both of
them were a problem.
Speaker 9 (40:52):
Oh that's a good question. I would probably say Joker
because at.
Speaker 12 (40:59):
The end of the day, he's a past first guy,
which sounds crazy, but Luca has that mother effort in
him where if somebody on the stands talks, he's looking
at you and you're like, I didn't say nothing that
You've got to get barbecues, right, that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Somebody would yell at Luca and then he would take
it out on you.
Speaker 12 (41:19):
Yeah, like you know, there are certain players like that,
but Luca. The guy sitting in the front row at
the Minnesota thing was Waven stopped being a baby.
Speaker 9 (41:27):
Lucas said, oh, you talking to me? Okay.
Speaker 12 (41:29):
He looked at Anthony Edwards, he looked at Jan McDaniels,
he looked at Minnesota, say it's over for y'all, and
gave him twenty in the first quarter, like you just gotta.
I think Boston should clap for Luca.
Speaker 9 (41:40):
As he was on the Celtics. Maybe that will help.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
But who did you, like, are you surprised that Joker
has won three MVPs or surprised that Luca is you're,
you know, leading the NBA in scoring, like which either
one of you. Surprise you know, surprise.
Speaker 9 (41:58):
You no, dude.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
So you thought they were both going to be great.
Speaker 9 (42:04):
I thought that would be great. I didn't know he'd
win three MVPs.
Speaker 12 (42:06):
Okay, right, And I got to give credit to the
Denver Nuggets for seeing that through the Taco Bell commercial
and when he got drafted. But like, they've built a
team of stability around him to be successful.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Right.
Speaker 12 (42:20):
So Mike Malone's been a coach what nineteen years. They've
added Jamal Murray, They've added exactly the pieces he needed.
And we don't talk about the Aaron Gordon trade or whatever.
That was enough because it allowed Jokic to not get
double team. You can't double team him when he has
that lob threat right there. And to me, you got
(42:41):
to give credit for its taking a talent. He's talented
and he's amazing, but you've also built him up to say, hey,
we're going to build our system around you because you're unstoppable,
and he's qualified for that. But Luca, we knew what
Luca was a long time ago. He's just now in
shape this year. Lord at Mercy took him six years, but.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
He's now in Any downside to porzingis coming back into
the lineup.
Speaker 12 (43:05):
Downside. No, I think we have to be very unjudgmental
about his first couple of games. My man has not
played basketball. He's played against his teammates. Nobody gives a
crap about that. You have not played in the NBA finals.
The speed of the NBA Finals is crazy, right, Like,
even for me, it was so funny. We're sitting after
(43:28):
the Eastern Conference Finals. We cooked the Toronto Raptors and
then we played We got beat by the Warriors the
first game. I got in at the end, I looked
at my teammates. I said, yeah, it isn't moving a
little too fast.
Speaker 9 (43:40):
For the big fella.
Speaker 12 (43:40):
Y'all go ahead, y'all go ahead and play like he's
gonna have to pick it up. And you know, honestly,
they're gonna go at him. They're gonna go at him.
They're gonna go at Al Horford because if he's upfront
guarding the screens, they're gonna test his conditioning.
Speaker 9 (43:56):
So is he gonna guard? Are they gonna switch Luca
on the KP? Now? If he gets downhill, who's blocking
that lot threat?
Speaker 12 (44:04):
That's where I think that's where the game is So
to me, he's going to have to be in crazy
good defensive shape and then I don't know if he
he has to win his matchup versus Derek Lively or
PJ Washington for them have a chance.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
I've been saying that Al Horford is going to be
a Hall of Famer when it's all said and done.
Now I got a factor in Florida where he won
two national titles. Totally, So it's basketball Hall of Fame, Yes,
it is. Is Al Horford going to be in the
Basketball Hall of Fame?
Speaker 9 (44:35):
Not before Kevin Love?
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Kevin Love a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 9 (44:40):
Oh yes, yes, Oh for sure.
Speaker 12 (44:42):
Okay, that's a for Shore and that's not that's my boy,
But he is for sure, So Kevin Love gets in.
I'm fifty to fifty on Al Horford. If he wins
this year, I think for sure. I think for sure
he's I think he's won enough. But if he doesn't win, ever,
I would say no. But Al's great. I've been winning
his whole career.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Now, I think Kevin Love and Al Horford both have
been an All Star five times.
Speaker 9 (45:07):
Yeah, but one of them has a championship.
Speaker 12 (45:09):
One of them was the second best power forward for
three years in the NBA.
Speaker 9 (45:14):
That's a little different. It's a little different.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (45:17):
Al Horford has never been like, oh he's the is
he better than you know? Remember Kevin and Minnesota was like, wow,
is he better than Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowhisky, Like,
I don't know if we've ever talked about Al Horford
that way.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
No, we haven't. But I think didn't Kevin Love have
a thirty thirty game?
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Didn't you do a.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Thirty thirty points, thirty rebounds in a game in Minnesota?
Speaker 9 (45:38):
I think he did, which is disgusting. I don't know
if I had thirty rebounds in a.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Month, but I remember Paulie and I what was it, Paulie.
Speaker 8 (45:50):
Kevin Love November twelve, twenty ten, thirty one, thirty one
in the game against the Knicks.
Speaker 9 (45:56):
Will we ever see somebody get thirty one?
Speaker 3 (45:59):
Read?
Speaker 12 (45:59):
That's it's like a team rebound. That's what the Pacers
rebound that last game.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Yeah, but Luca had a sixty twenty game.
Speaker 9 (46:08):
Scoring is very different than rebounding.
Speaker 12 (46:12):
Rebounding the basketball Back in two thousand and what seven,
when there was a ten still we still played a
true center, a hour forward, a big three guard, a
pretty big two guard, and a medium sized point guard.
Speaker 9 (46:29):
Like he's battling in there with.
Speaker 12 (46:31):
Remember, offensive rebounds was a thing, so like you're in
there at that time, like for thirty is crazy.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
He had fifteen rebounds in the third quarter. Half of
his rebounds. I was going to say, you got to
play a team that it's not. You know, the Knicks
weren't good, so that helped the Yeah, good luck with
the podcast. Great to catch up again for sure, thanks
for joining us, of course, thank you. It's a Channing
Frime sports analyst and co host a Rhode Trippin' podcast
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